yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 General] liquidnails:
Well maybe I'm mistaken. I'll try it on my exhibit when I get home.
[Nexus 4 General] Warbuff:
In the old kineto wifi calling mms worked. Probably different implementation
[Nexus 4 General] vikramkhalsa:
I remember on my sidekick 4g SMS worked over wifi calling but for MMS I believe it would still use data even though wifi calling was on in order to send and receive pictures.

P.S. Can't wait for this to work! :)
[Nexus 4 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Yeah kineto did have MMS work over WiFi calling. Ims is supposed to work that way too.
[Nexus 4 General] Whosdaman:
I thought someone posted an answer to this awhile ago. I'll go digging for it.
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
On my Glacier (myTouch 4G) MMS had to connect to mobile data to work. There was a handoff that had to happen and it only worked on certain kernels. IMS may have been updated since then. I think it's SUPPOSED to work on the newer builds.
[Nexus 4 General] liquidnails:
Confirmed working MMS over WiFi calling on my galaxy exhibit .
[Nexus 4 General] Stryder5:
Did you have data still enabled? Like people mentioned, it will hand off MMS to data.
[Nexus 4 General] liquidnails:
Well mobile data was enabled but where I live I don't think it matters seeing how I live a mile from any kind of phone service. It was connected to my WiFi and had WiFi calling turned on. I did believe is has the old kineto as well.
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
You've had an exhibit your whole life? You have a lot of facial hair for someone who didn't exist before June 2011. Not to mention great writing skills. I'm truly impressed.
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
Before one own's an Exhibit, is one even truly alive?

:p
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
Touche'
[Nexus 4 General] Whosdaman:
Nvm, I misremembered your own post lol
[Nexus 4 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
It's all good. Lot of Info and Disinfo goin around. Hard to keep it all straight sometimes.
[Nexus 4 General] liquidnails:
Wow! You don't even give people any time to correct there post before you make a useless comment. Man, you try to discuss a topic and people can't help but make botard comments. I guess they need to get a life :eek:
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
And some people need to learn to take a joke.

Edit: By the way, the "great writing skills" wasn't a sleight. Didn't think you'd take it that way.
[Nexus 4 General] persheshhater:
I got lots of facial hair as well and you seem like a pro when it comes to shaving hairs ;)
[Nexus 4 General] joshua.justice:
I'm confused but I hope progress is being made, I can't wait.
[Nexus 4 General] liquidnails:
I apologize guys for getting us this far off topic. Ill try to stay on track :screwy:
[Nexus 4 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Yup. Still going. Just not as easy as it used to be.
[Nexus 4 General] joshua.justice:
There are always challenges before you meet your goal, progress is progress, no matter how small.
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
...said Confucius

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] dEris:
His post did not sound like Confucius at all. :confused:

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[Nexus 4 General] Scallywag1:
Dr. Seuss?
[Nexus 4 General] dEris:
Doesn't sound like Suess either.

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[Nexus 4 General] philosophics:
Bumpity

back to topic...
[Nexus 4 General] clusterchuck:
Is this really being worked on or are we being trolled?
[Nexus 4 General] dEris:
I'd like to see the progress so far. Hope he is really working on it. :sly:

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[Nexus 4 General] persheshhater:
When i said this will take forever people got mad. That kid last week was funny claiming he got it. Who has been around xda knows how much time such stuff takes. Actually there is another alternative as well, somebody figured this out but holding it until bounty becomes even higher;)
[Nexus 4 General] dEris:
Prove that this alternative that gets wifi calling works...

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[Nexus 4 General] philosophics:
Video proof embedded or it didn't happen...

Screamed another Paranoid Mako with AC!D Beats
[Nexus 4 General] Scallywag1:
This thread is ridiculous.
[Nexus 4 General] tehSecret:
Yeah its ridiculous. This has to be the biggest nonchalant trolling coaster I've ever been on. Even the trolls are lazy these days. They*re not even posting *updates * LOL

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] liquidnails:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2214973

Hey guys, I started this thread just for alternatives to the great TMOBILES WiFi calling app. We don't know how long this will take so why not explore every possible alternative that other people have tried while we wait. Can't hurt.. Feel free to post how you compensate for not having the app and feel free to discuss all wifi calling topics.
[Nexus 4 General] persheshhater:
:D
[Nexus 4 General] dEris:
Lol this made me laugh. Thanks. Ha

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[Nexus 4 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Want to see progress. It is in the thread. I am just too lazy to post the link to the post.:rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] philosophics:
No video proof

Screamed another Paranoid Mako with AC!D Beats
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
Stop trolling. If you want pictures and development updates, go find them in the thread -- they are there.

Ohgami_Ichiro is the only one who seems to be taking this seriously. Don't repay him by being a d*ck.
[Nexus 4 General] philosophics:
Excuse me? I'm the one trolling? HA!

You need to go google the definition of being a troll.

All I've been reading in this thread is unneeded posts and empty promises. So ya, when someone says they have something working, for now on proof should be provided or whoever claimed to have something working to begin with and didn't provide proof is then trolling. And one who is not willing to provide their proof and/or have a link for reference because of another not wanting to sift through the crap stated above based on a needle and hay, is just providing an excuse so the trolling can continue.

These are threads posted to acquire a common goal at obtaining what we want our devices to have. So let's keep it that way...

Screamed another Paranoid Mako with AC!D Beats
[Nexus 4 General] bongostl:
Guys,I hate to say it, but this ain't gonna happen.

Explore other options
[Nexus 4 General] Jaxidian:
Stop acting so entitled. Either wait like the rest of us or go aware. Either way, stop upsetting the devs because they don't want to waste their time digging through this thread to find posts that you want to see. It's just as much work for them as it is for you.

I don't believe anybody has said they had this working. Other than videos of geeks drinking Mountain Dew at a monitor, there's nothing to show.

If I got this wrong, I'd be happy to continue the conversation in Private Messages - let's not waste other people's time by muddying up the thread anymore.
[Nexus 4 General] Scallywag1:
I totally agree. When I said thread was ridiculous I meant the people asking for proof. The devs said multiple times that it would be worked on when possible. Others claiming they have a solution but need the bounty higher and other asking for videos need to stop.

Thats ridiculous. There should be no.more posts other than help or alternate solutions.
[Nexus 4 General] illru:
Take a look at this over at tmonews:

tmonews.com/2013/03/lg-optimus-g2-spotted-with-snapdragon-800-processor-headed-to-t-mobile

LG Optimus G2! With 4.2.2 :D Now will it come with wifi calling? :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 4 General] philosophics:
You guys are looking at it the wrong way here. It's the garbage of useless posts and bickering along with the "I agree" counts that end up flooding the thread and making it unless unless the op edits the first page. No one goes through an entire thread.

I'm on your side here. I don't like trolls and I don't like people posting things unless it's related to the original thread topic.

Ya, I want proof to be provided instead of someone saying it's working or already done.

Excuse me for you assuming I'm demanding the dev to do something. As most of you who have decided to do just this, I get tired of the stuff not needed in the thread.

Now, back to topic so the community can have useful information to go along with working wifi calling...

Screamed another Paranoid Mako with AC!D Beats
[Nexus 4 General] Snorbro:
Dev should be quicker once a device with native 4.2.2 JB and has wifi calling is released. Should be any week now that gs4 is announced...
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
T-Mobile Galaxy S4 gets released May 1st. If we're lucky we'll get a system dump before then.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Juggalotus:
Gs4 system dump already happened.

The gs4 system dump dropped last week. I'd post the link but xda is lame and won't let me.
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
That was the international version, which does us no good. It must be from the T-Mobile variant or it won't contain the files we need.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] lowrider262:
We gotta get some of the old school devs from the hd2 forum on this. They can get damn near anything working on a device. Tytung got hardware acceleration working for jb on that dinosaur of a phone lol
[Nexus 4 General] -Mindroid-:
What does the setting on the bottom do?
[Nexus 4 General] gagdude:
I may be wrong, but I think that's how you set up your GrooveIP or VoIP with G Voice
[Nexus 4 General] Kandydish:
So I'm saying this out of experience with my One S. Back when I had one, I wanted to get Wifi Calling ported to CM10/9 because it was available on stock.

I was told by developers that something was done to Wifi Calling that it was ONLY supported on Sense and nothing else. It wasn't as simple as moving the original apk (G2) and using the drivers for the One S.

Maybe someone who knows more can shed some light. This is just what I went through.
[Nexus 4 General] surmanm:
I pledge $40 hoping someone can get this to work it would be great to have
[Nexus 4 General] Majkysek:
So this is not something like Viber is? Does it work only between N4s?
[Nexus 4 General] Kandydish:
No, it's completely different. It allows your phone to use a wifi signal to make phone calls and texts with the native Android app.

You can place calls and texts between any two phones.
[Nexus 4 General] IdeosDev:
Interested but need to do something when I get back ..
[Nexus 4 General] Whosdaman:
Please, I know there has been a lot of money pledged and more will come for getting it down. Please undertake this for us.
[Nexus 4 General] IdeosDev:
Let me do some studies.

It's not simple especially i'm from M'sia which's not T-Mobile country

As well as i don't have N4. :(
[Nexus 4 General] N1tovibrant:
i will also put up $20 for this feature
[Nexus 4 General] khanh1289:
this would be awesome since I'm going out of the country in march.. It would help soooo much!
[Nexus 4 General] vikramkhalsa:
I need this too! Have no tmobile reception in my house. The Nexus 4 is awesome but this really ruins things for me as my previous tmobile phones had wifi calling and I used it a lot. Groove ip/skype/vonage and all are good alternatives except for the fact that you don't receive calls on your actual number over wifi, which defeats the purpose if you don't have service! I even had this on my bb back in the day haha..
[Nexus 4 General] tonybhoy:
use skype then
[Nexus 4 General] gagdude:
Vonage uses your actual number, and if you port your number to Google Voice then you can actually use something like Talkatone and your G Voice number essentially becomes your number
[Nexus 4 General] khanh1289:
Does Skype let me use my own number and allow me to text from it?

Sent from my Blenzderz 9000
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarok12:
I'd put $20 into this
[Nexus 4 General] Fataldesain:
I would give 100 dollars for this just joined T-Mobile and only have 1000 mins and 4 nexus 4's. I work in a data center and reception is great till I get in a cage. Spread the word guys.
[Nexus 4 General] hittingsmoke:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know (for sure, not speculatively) on a deep technical level what would need to be done to get this working?

I happened to get in touch with a T-Mobile tech when I was calling to ask for a signal booster. I asked about the possibility of support for wifi calling on the Nexus 4 and he said it was a no-go in terms of official support because it would have to be baked into a ROM and/or kernel. What surprised me is he told me to keep an eye on on XDA. He seemed quite confident that it was possible.
[Nexus 4 General] rockerrock:
GrooveIP anyone?
[Nexus 4 General] Jaxidian:
Was it the T-Mobile version?

Sent from my Nexus 4

---------- Post added at 08:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:56 AM ----------

Mostly all agreed, but posts about alternative solutions should go into that thread. Personally, I (and many others) have zero interest in alternatives :)
[Nexus 4 General] liquidnails:
Deleted****misread :D
[Nexus 4 General] DarK_DemoN:
The region code of the dump is Great Britain so it doesn't look like we'll have WiFi Calling just yet.

Link: http://www.sammobile.com/2013/03/26...y-s4s-system-dump-now-available-for-download/
[Nexus 4 General] algorhythm:
Maybe I missed something but why would the SGS4 system dump have anything to do with getting Wifi calling on the N4?
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
We need another phone with Android 4.2 to pull the WiFi Calling files off of. The Galaxy S4 will be the first Android 4.2 phone with T-Mobile software on it.
[Nexus 4 General] Underground_XI:
You will have to wait at least till nexus 5 comes out.
[Nexus 4 General] revamper:
How do you know that the new nexus 5 will even be supported by t mobile for WiFi calling?

Sent from my iPhone 5
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
He's being a smartass.
[Nexus 4 General] svfusion:
Can't wait =) Just switched to T-Mobile
[Nexus 4 General] dEris:
You'll be waiting awhile.

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[Nexus 4 General] Underground_XI:
Or forever :D
[Nexus 4 General] jayzusfk:
What files are needed?
[Nexus 4 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Mostly the IMS and GBA files and the Wificalling APK. Only the Tmo version will have the files we need. It's a Waiting game.
[Nexus 4 General] Intercepter:
the gs3 has wifi calling and jellybean 4.1.1 using the new protocol. didn't the break in wifi calling happen after ICS? won't the wifi calling code be pretty much the same in the gs4 as it is in the gs3?
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
If it was, we wouldn't be waiting for the GS4 files.
[Nexus 4 General] Intercepter:
I am willing to bet that it won't be much different.
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
As of today, the TMO GS3 is getting 4.1.2
[Nexus 4 General] joshua.justice:
What if they can downgrade the Nexus yo 4.2.1 and then port Wi-Fi calling?
[Nexus 4 General] Underground_XI:
This needs somebody that knows what he is doing not some 12 years old kid that just appears on this thread saying he can crack this. The wifi calling app from galaxy s4 is just an excuse. Truth is that this cannot be achieved if a real dev does not deal with it. It is waste of time to keep users' hopes up by saying " I am waiting for the s4 system dump" or that progress has been made.
[Nexus 4 General] tehSecret:
I just wanted to show appreciation twice for the above post with this post. Thanks and We need a real dev , I get tired of checking this thread just to read a gang of kids useless B.S.
[Nexus 4 General] Underground_XI:
I texted one of the developers that was able to bring s-off to htc one x. Waiting for him to reply. Whoever has been able to s-off htc bootloaders can also port wifi calling to this phone. So if any user that had htc phone in the past and got s-off try to message the developer that brought the s-off. Somebody that knows what he is doing will eventually reply and work on this:)
[Nexus 4 General] jayzusfk:
Well, I understand that.

What I wonder is what files/info are specifically relevant to 4.2.2 IMS that would be on a GS4 but still pertinent to an LG phone. I would think that all the framework injections from TouchWiz would make it a lot more difficult to port to AOSP, though I'm not sure if that's as big of an issue with 4.0+. Other WFC patches I've seen have been a few APKs plus some lib files, which mostly worked on gan devices. I'm wondering what the missing link is... :confused:
[Nexus 4 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Problem is the old way was mostly set up for the HTC phones and as such had HTC specific Ril Files associated to the Wifi Calling. I understand that TW may make things more difficult but the key is isolating the needed files and then adapting them to other devices from there. As for the SGS4 since that is the only other phone that would be running 4.2.x on T-Mo it will help with compatability. Also Hardware wise it's more compatible than the L9 since the L9 uses OMAP. There is something in 4.2 that causes issues with the 4.1 files.

For the others in this thread, I'm not a kid (Well maybe at heart), have a family and do NEED this feature myself. I have provided proof of my progress a few pages back and I am working on this as much as I can in the limited time I have at the moment. I'm not just waiting for the SGS4 rom to drop and am thinking of things to look at while we wait. But it is a waiting game though.

I know everyone is anxious to have this working and get frustrated that there is no progress. I am right there with you.
[Nexus 4 General] Underground_XI:
Sorry for the misunderstanding. The kid was referred to the one that showed up a few pages back saying he can do this. The kid even said that although he is a kid he could handle alcohol very well rofl.
[Nexus 4 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
No worries I just wanted to be sure I wasn't seen as a flake. I'm in this to the end.
[Nexus 4 General] joshua.justice:
Just curious but what are the actual chances of you getting this ported when the Galaxy S IV us released?
[Nexus 4 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Once the files are isolated it could be ported to any gsm device...in theory.
[Nexus 4 General] Saml01:
I apologize if this has already been visited but... Is there any value in reaching out to google and/or tmobile and/or LG and request files, code or specs that could potentially make development faster and easier?
[Nexus 4 General] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Google and LG would be useless. T-Mobile...besides it being their baby are doing a half in approach. On the one hand they have the IMS side Open Sourced but the Wifi Calling specific items are still closed.
[Nexus 4 General] Saml01:
Forgive the dumb question but since android is open source how are they able to protect their part of the code?
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
Just because Google provides Android as open source doesn't mean parties that modify it must provide their source code (except the kernel, due to GPL). This is why HTC Sense, Samsung TouchWiz, etc. do not have their source codes available for download.
[Nexus 4 General] Underground_XI:
So why did not tmobile include wifi calling in the first place?
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
Because the Nexus 4 is not a T-Mobile phone, it's a Google phone -- carrier unmolested. So no T-Mobile boot animation, but also no WiFi Calling.
[Nexus 4 General] Underground_XI:
Is that speculation you are making or you have sources to support what you just said? What if t-mobile couldn't add wifo calling to this device because may be they just could not do that?
[Nexus 4 General] Jaxidian:
FYI, this isn't truly T-Mobile's technology. It's provided by a company called Kineto Movial (thx mondokat for the correction).

For those asking, this requires both application/driver support as well as network/infrastructure support. There is a BUNCH of custom stuff going on here and we simply do not have the source code for all of this custom stuff. You should not expect us to ever get the source code for this.
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarokx:
How would they add WiFi calling when they have nothing to do with the software on this phone? Not speculation, just good sense.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] mondokat:
Ugh, it's not kineto, it's movial. Kineto was the old gingerbread solution. So tired of wrong information on this subject. Unfortunately, other than the company involved, the limitations are essentially the same as stated, but actually a bit worse since the existing movial solutions all require the touchwiz framework as well. So, extra hooks into non-aosp code that we'll never get.
[Nexus 4 General] Jaxidian:
Thanks for correcting me! Didn't realize it changed. :)

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] netudiant:
Weird business logic

Your insights and the earlier comments re the gap between Google and TMobile are really depressing.

Google does not want to be in the handset business, so they produce a notional product annually, such as the Nexus 4, with no operator support.

The operators sell this product, grudgingly, but withhold any operator specific support such as UMA compatibility software, because that would cost development money without immediately increasing the operator billable minutes.

Clearly nobody in this structure gives a hoot about the customer, who loses the use of his device when he is in a location without good service.

My old Blackberry 9630 had UMA and was available at home and abroad. My Nexus 4, not so much, because I live in the NYC canyons where TMobile signals don't penetrate, no matter what their fancy coverage maps say.

I say:

Bad on TMobile, for leaving their customers in the lurch on the Nexus 4.

Bad on Google for not stepping up to offer a decent work around.

Against the cost of letting customer (maybe many) down this way, how pricey could it be to do the right thing?
[Nexus 4 General] khanh1289:
maybe tmobile will help in the future.. considering minutes doesn't matter anymore with their new value plans
[Nexus 4 General] droidkevlar:
You bought this phone knowing it didnt have Wifi calling. We all did. There are TONs of other options to use. Google makes a "pure" device so us true geeks dont have to worry about carriers getting their hands in stuff. Perfect example is the Gnex on Vzw. That was supposed to be a Nexus and look how long it took them to get an official update anytime Google pushed out one. You want carrier options? Buy one from them!
[Nexus 4 General] netudiant:
Actually, I did not know the phone did not have WiFi calling.

Please remember that unlike most of the more erudite participants in this forum, I'm just a paying user who thought that $400 for a full featured phone with Google support was an attractive purchase.

Crippled at birth? Not obvious from any of the reviews that I saw.

As a customer, I'm not happy. Does it impact my view of Google and of TMobile? You betcha!
[Nexus 4 General] benderunit9000:
What ever made you think that T-Mobile or Google would make WiFi calling work on this phone?
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
You said it best yourself. This is a full featured Google phone. It isn't a T-Mobile phone whatsoever. Therefore your comment about it being crippled at birth is highly inaccurate.

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 General] dEris:
Went to go pay my bill at tmobile and asked if I could pick up a cel-fi signal booster. They had two in the back and offered me one. I have to say, this thing works. I now have full bars in my room when I normally had 1 sometimes 0. No need for wifi calling now!

Go get one guys!

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[Nexus 4 General] Underground_XI:
So now you take that with you everywhere you go?
[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
Yeah, just like he takes WiFi with him everywhere he goes.
[Nexus 4 General] joshua.justice:
So it's as simple as comparing the international and t mobile version of the galaxy s 4 and seeing which files are missing?
[Nexus 4 General] dEris:
Lol I get fantastic signal outside my apartment in Dallas Texas.

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[Nexus 4 General] Stryder5:
No, the files would have to be ported to be made compatible with the Nexus 4, assuming all the components are there. I doubt it will be an easy task.