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[Windows 8 General] JihadSquad:
OK found a disadvantage (not really a disadvantage to the OS because it's a new, optional feature). On my computer, enabling hyper-v from windows setup locks the cpu to its max frequency, wasting the battery. Also, it breaks virtualbox so I can't boot guest os'es from there. Apparently, this only happens to Intel chips. So Hyper-V is really only worth it if you are only hosting Windows guests and 1) have an amd cpu or 2) have a desktop computer

Also, the new interface eats hdd space like crazy. Hdd usage has continuously been growing with each Windows release, but storage costs have been decreasing even faster, so it is a largely irrelevant issue, except that 1) windows 8 is meant to be used on low-capacity mobile devices, and 2) the advent of SSDs has led many users to replace their traditional HDDs with them, which leads to less storage space and a greater cost per gigabyte. Do not expect to run Windows 8 on a 32gb or smaller SSD unless the computer is going to be an Internet + Office device (as many $1500+ college student MacBooks become, ironically).
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
people who know what their talking about. Get it, learn it, you won't regret it. ;)
[Windows 8 General] SeanX:
Me. I have it on 2 laptops, a netbook, a tablet and a desktop.
[Windows 8 General] SilverHedgehog:
Considering that you can activate Windows 7 with Windows 8 key, it only makes sense to get Windows 8 devices now. If you hate it, just get a Windows 7 installer and downgrade.
[Windows 8 General] blueseeker:
One that has too much free time to offer support after the purchase is being made.
[Windows 8 General] WebmastuhB:
My thought is - the upgrade to Win8 is only a matter of time (unless you abandon Windows for Linux or MacOS - or wait 4 years for Win9).

Honestly, I'm not a "get on the cutting edge" kind of guy most of the time, but I did upgrade one of my servers simply to support WinRT dev and Remote Apps. I have to say I like Win8. I kinda like the desktop mode better than Win7, and some of the new features are really nice.

Upgrades are cheap now. $40 for a legit upgrade to Win8 Pro if you do it before Jan 31. I plan to upgrade all of my stuff before then.
[Windows 8 General] Zardos66:
I have it on my gaming rig, and I love it now. Took me some time to get used to the interface. Now I have tons of custom tiles for my steam games. Also, some games run better. I'm getting straight fps boosts in most cases.
[Windows 8 General] inaudibly:
I'd recommend it any day, I use it for my desktop and its great, the only time I use metro is when I use a metro app, some people are just over reacting to the whole new menu it really isn't that bad. I admit it that I would use the metro more if I had a touch screen as its made for that purpose but even with mouse it works quite good. Multiple monitors work great with it too :D
[Windows 8 General] netham45:
It also breaks the Netflix app.
[Windows 8 General] e.mote:
>the upgrade to Win8 is only a matter of time

Not really. I'm looking some sales info that's starting to roll in for Black Friday, and Win8 and associated hardware sales look like a major bust, worse than Vista. This of course goes double for WinRT and Surface RT. You can get some of the same indications by Googling (not Binging, heh) on "windows 8" sales black friday.

Some think that no matter how bad the adoption, Win8 will still succeed by virtue of being on every new PC. Again, not really. People are delaying their PC buys (and buying tablets instead), and Win7 is still an option.

All this isn't news to early adopters. Win8 has been in use among techies for a whole year, and we all know its fortes and foibles. We always knew that public adoption of Metro UI on the desktop (and laptop) was problematic. The overpricing on Win8 laptops/hybrids only made it worse. Interest in Win8 desktops and tablets is minimal.

My best guess is that as a short-term fix, MS will release a SP to allow boot-to-desktop and putting back the Start button, effectively cleaving Metro out for the desktop crowd. This will need to happen soon, some time in spring, if there's to be any chance of salvaging Win8. IMO, Win8's rep is already irreparably damaged, and it'll be up to Blue to leave the stigma behind with a fall 2013 release.

For those still on the fence, my advice is don't bother with Win8. There'll be a "fixed" version coming, whether a SP or a Win9 coming down the pike, and whatever investment you make to transition to Win8 will be wasted, as you'll have to do it again. I say this as a Win8 user.

Now you know the real reason why Sinofsky is gone. If Win8 was a success like Win7, he'd still be around. But it doesn't take a whole quarter of sales to see whether Win8 flies or dies, and by this time MS should have ample data for sales projection.
[Windows 8 General] link68759:
First of all, 8 hasn't "taken off" but the sales are on par with 7, and the launch sales were pretty significantly higher than 7.

"Win8 has been in use among techies for a whole year, and we all know its fortes and foibles. We always knew that public adoption of Metro UI on the desktop (and laptop) was problematic."

This is pretty much bull****. Most self proclaimed "techies" who disliked it never even used it- it's all just "I read it was bad from some blogger and hey, let's all jump on the MS is stupid again bandwagon!"

Those that did use it never knew how to properly use it because they went in hating it, never gave a real effort to use it, *****ed about how hard it was and called their crappy self confirmation bias a terrible "experience". Experience my ass. Learning curves are not inherently bad. In fact most *real* "techies", ie server admins and people who can think for themselves, really like what 8 has to offer.

I suspect that a lot of PC gamers don't know what's good for them and hate 8 for no other reason than Gabe Newell hates 8. And you know why he hates 8? If you take what he says at face value, he sounds like an old fart who has used Macs all his life. The real reason is competition- he is worried that 8 might actually catch on and threaten steam sales via the store.

It's so hard to know what the average user actually thinks because the whole damned thing is so steeped in political and other various biases. But you know what I say? Shut your damn mouth. There's no reason to *not* buy 8 now that it's $40, there's nothing but benefits to the system, and all perceived "negative traits" are so easily changed or removed that I'm surprised the lazy assholes who refuse to get 8 because of them haven't died from starvation, being too lazy to stand up and go shove food at their faces.

There's nothing wrong with 8, it's well worth the money- telling people to "not bother" is only going to make a self fulfilling prophecy that does not need to happen.

GOOD DAY, SIR.
[Windows 8 General] e.mote:
>But you know what I say? Shut your damn mouth...I'm surprised the lazy assholes who refuse to get 8 because of them haven't died from starvation, being too lazy to stand up and go shove food at their faces.

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[Windows 8 General] dragon_76:
First, Black Friday is now and has always been a day to offload all the old, **** stock. It is not now, nor has it ever been, about selling the new, current stock.

Microsoft has no interest in going backwards. There is a new SDK that is coming out that will merge Windows and Windows Phone development. In the future you will target screen size and resources, just like in the past. There will not be a desktop/mobile choice like there is now.

When Microsoft releases an update for Windows 8, it will no doubt be to remove MORE of the desktop features and move them to Metro. I already think there are way to many trips to the desktop for RT users to do things like configure keyboard, mouse, network, file management, etc.

No one thinks their computer is easier to use than their phone.
[Windows 8 General] e.mote:
>Hate is a pretty strong word. I don't hate Windows 8.

As said, Win8 is no longer a new thing, having been in available to techies for over a year. We all have our opinions on it by now, and there's no need to justify it to anyone.

>With the latest incarnation of the OS Windows has lost me...I feel like Microsoft is telling me that "[I'm] holding it wrong."

Yes, legacy support was always the Windows mantra, going all the way back to Windows 3.0. It was the major reason that Win95 prevailed over OS/2 (anyone here old enough to remember that far back?) The Windows userbase got thrown under the bus in the rush to adopt mobile. Since Sinofsky was the man in charge, and as imperious as he was, I have little doubt of the culprit. That he's summarily tossed out face-first is a good sign that dumping the desktop may not have been a wise move, thus my expectation for rapproachment with the desktop crowd.

MS has trumpeted the "40 million licenses sold" pretty loudly, and is good fodder for fanboys to rally behind. But those who know the difference between sell-in vs sell-through take the PR spiel with a yawn. Yes, MS claimed the same for "strong" Vista sales vs XP five years ago.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Says-Vista-Sales-Strong/

>Microsoft has no interest in going backwards.

You can only forward if the userbase follows. There is no "going forward" if Win8 flops. Win7 still works just fine, just as XP still works just fine for a large segment of the userbase. Unlike years past where Win is the dominant monopoly, there are now viable choices. The many iPads users have lock-ins to Apple's ecosystem, and buying a Mac is becoming an appealing choice, even moreso if "new" Windows forces a substantial learning curve. Again, I say this as a current Win8 user.

>When Microsoft releases an update for Windows 8, it will no doubt be to remove MORE of the desktop features and move them to Metro.

The fundamental problem with the "Metro uber alles" view is that it can't replace the desktop WIMP metaphor with multiple overlapping windows. Try doing Photoshop, or any heavy-duty productivity applications with a single window (or the 1/4 split window). You can't. To say the desktop will disappear is just plain idiotic.

>No one thinks their computer is easier to use than their phone.

Spoken like a true consumer who only knows how to consume content rather than produce it. If yours were true, then you shouldn't be using Windows, because iOS and Android already have the phone market cornered.

Anyway, we'll know soon enough how Win8 sales go, once the new year rolls around. That's only a month away. Wait and see, yes?
[Windows 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
@TheScaryOne: If you think 2000 was crap compared to 98, then you are part of the problem with why a Windows "Power User" is considered a complete joke on whoever would call themselves that. The entire Win9x family, from first release of 95 through to ME, was a complete technological backwater compared to the NT family (which includes 2000). Yes, it used a bunch of hand-tuned assembly code to let it boot up and run quickly on low-RAM systems, but in turn you sacrificed

* stability (soooo many crashes, and it was terrible at recovering from them)

* reliability (no filesystem journaling so data loss or corruption on a crash was common, etc.)

* security (it had *no* support for a permissions system so you couldn't run with anything other than "admin" permissions, and was full of exploitable bugs)

* portability (single-CPU x86 systems only, and low caps on amount of usable RAM and HDD space)

* features (the NT line was, especially back then, the only true "power user" environment).

OK, with that out of the way...

Why are you spending any time in the "metro" environment if you don't like it? Ever since Vista, if you actually use the Start menu with a mouse, you're doing it wrong. Windows key + <first few letters of program name> + Enter. You can be launching a program before Start finishes its load animation.

The ribbon takes up less space than a menu bar + toolbar, or than the Win7 "command bar" used in Explorer, unless you for some reason leave it open all the time. As a "power user" shouldn't you be using keyboard shortcuts and context menus instead of moving your mouse up to the top of the window anyhow? The ribbon is for people who aren't familiar with what a program can do, but want to find things. The keyboard (and to a lesser extend context menus) are for people who already know how to use the system. The old menus are for people who only ever learned a bunch of operations by rote... it may have taken me a whole week to get used to them, back when they first appeared in a pre-release version of what wasn't even yet called Office 2007.

... I could go on, but I'm not sure there's a point. If you want to live in the past and ignore the last half decade of usability improvements to Windows (which I'll admit Metro doesn't count as if you're using a mouse and keyboard, but it's only a very slight downgrade and since you didn't even mention that particular flaw I doubt you're even aware of it; if you use touch it's a *huge* upgrade though), nobody here can stop you. We might laugh and shake our heads, though.
[Windows 8 General] lavafire:
Loved win 8, did not take more than a few hours of getting used to. Even didnt have touch screen on my laptop. The combination of modern UI and desktop works really well i think. And hey, end of the day you can choose to use either. There are a few software you can install to get start button back.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Boom!

@TheScaryOne "bulletproof install of XP"

Now theres an oxymoron if I've ever heard one :)
[Windows 8 General] SlCKB0Y:
Exactly how was 2k "garbage"? Win 2K was an absolutely rock solid release.

You were what? 13 at the time? :rolleyes:

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^^ This! :highfive:
[Windows 8 General] offspin2040:
Id definitely recommend windows 8 over 7 any day

Sent From A Passing Meteor
[Windows 8 General] :
im using a oem laptop running oem version of win vista with oem software and drivers like programmable hardware button starting Browser etc

if i upgrades to win 8 will these functions still be available? how about drivers etc?

Besides i currently reformats my laptop through a built in recovery wizard, will this option still be available in win 8, and will the O/S image on the harddisk still be available?

That's alot of questions :laugh: Merry christmas
[Windows 8 General] offspin2040:
First of all,Why are you using vista?Vista is the worst os released by Microsoft.

Windows 8 as of now is not the best OS when it comes to driver support,so it may not work.Contact your OEM To be sure.

Yip the recovery partition will be available.Just go ahead and install windows 8.:cool:

Merry Christmas to you too L2deliver.Wish you the best for the new year:)

Sincerely,

Mrappbrain
[Windows 8 General] :
My laptop is almost 5-6 years old, Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0. It was the time when vista was the latest O/S.

Thanks for your informations.:o
[Windows 8 General] offspin2040:
Then Y U No Click Thanks:p
[Windows 8 General] :
Done'd
[Windows 8 General] netham45:
@TheScaryOne: The amount of fail in your post is mindboggling.

As far for Windows 7 Vs. Windows 8, here's my take on it:

Metro: Metro is decent enough to use on the desktop, though I don't often find myself using it. Even on my Surface, I don't find myself using it all that often, though it is nifty when I do use it. But, the beauty of how the system is designed is that you don't have to use it if you don't want to. You can do anything and everything on the system without even touching Metro, if you set it up right. Even then, when I do use metro, I generally tap start for half a second and type in a program name and hit enter, so it's not much of an impedement.

Multiple monitors: If you use multiple monitors then it's pretty much a no brainer. Windows 8 fixed a number of oddities with multiple monitors, along with adding multiple task bar support (Finally!)

Performance: Honestly, I haven't noticed much of a performance difference with Windows 8, but I never really noticed areas where Windows 7 was lacking, and my system is good enough that a gain of a few frames really isn't noticeable.

Hyper-V: Hyper-V is awesome to have baked into the OS, if you ignore that it breaks the Netflix and Hulu apps. I'm not sure why it does, the best I could come up with is that the audio subsystem is reporting that there isn't a secure path for the DRM they use, but I hit a bit of a brick wall at the vague and generic error messages they produced.

Boot time: Utilizing UEFI boot my boot time went from ~45 seconds in Windows 7 to ~12 in Windows 8 (I timed it, heh).

USB 3: The performance difference for my USB 3 external in Windows 8 is huge compared to in Windows 7, I'm getting a solid 80MB/s writing to my external, versus the 30MB/s I was getting in Windows 7.

Price: I think I paid something like $200 for my Win 7 Ult license, I paid $40 for my upgrade to Win 8 Pro.

Versions: There isn't a copy of Windows 8 that really has everything like Windows 7 Ultimate does. Windows 8 Pro can't create WTG installs or host RemoteApps, while Windows 8 Enterprise, other than not being sold to the public, can't use Media Center.

Aero: I really did like Aero, I was sad when they removed it. The metro look is just boring and flat, I'm not too fond of the new window chromes.
[Windows 8 General] offspin2040:
I can sense an argument if this kind of thing continues....

Sent From My Muffin
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
actually your old drivers should work ok, the driver model in vista is essentially the same, you may have to download your vista drivers and manually install them, synaptics trackpads have new updated drivers you can use, you'll not need the recovery crap from your OEM, win 8 has a nice reset button, you can make a recovery disk if you wish

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on my god, you may have just given me the answer to a Big pain in my arse around blu-ray play back, if that is indeed the case that hyper v isbuggering up content protection then that's a real shame as I've grown quite fond of its simplicity
[Windows 8 General] link68759:
I'd just like to comment:

for me, I have a brand new gaming rig, and I can still see the performance increase on 8 (not necessarily in games, just in how much faster the desktop boots up and things start with less delay, etc). Moreover the amount of used RAM is significantly less. 8 is clearly a better, faster, streamlined 7.

There is a thread on using remoteapps with any version of windows. By hacking of course. Look around.

Aero was really, really bad. Waste of resources and I hate round edges in my theme. In 7 I always reverted to "classic" 95 theme. To each his own, but opaque flat and rectangular is my ideal theme. Aero flip is negligibly useful, but it's not like there aren't many third party alternatives that do exactly the same thing and more. I really like how in 8, you can have automatic color schemes- I have a slideshow of several pictures as my background, and it's nice how the color scheme can always match/change every few hours is refreshing.

My only dislike of 8 is that I hate the indexing service: It literally kills hard drives, and annoys the living hell out of me with its waste of resources even while I'm using the damn computer (*) and I uninstall it (add or remove components) on every machine I own.

How is it supposed to run when I'm not using my computer if I turn it off when I'm done? It ends up running and slowing the **** out of whatever I'm doing on my laptop.

However if you uninstall it on 8, then you can't type into the start menu. At least on 7, after uninstalling the service you could still type in the start menu to filter out whichever .lnk files were there.... I compromised by having only one or two folders selected for indexing.

Sent from my Windows 8 device using Board Express Pro
[Windows 8 General] JihadSquad:
Yeah hyper v also disables cpu throttling on Intel laptops and keeps the processor at max frequency.

You can configure the indexing service to index the folders you want and set it to nothing if you want. But in my experience the service runs once when you install windows and then only does stuff when you modify files to reindex them. Also there is a group policy to disable indexing on battery.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
indexing

agreed, its one of those things we all hate to see (hear) when we first sort out a system, but actually, once its done, it doesn't really slow things down at all

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:eek:

well that's a bit of a downer, lol

hope it gets fixed soon, wasn't wanting to use the bloat that became VMware

im just about to kill hyper v and see if Blu-ray HDCP works again :fingers-crossed:
[Windows 8 General] link68759:
Well, yeah it depends on what you index, but there's no actual need for indexing. It's a waste of hdd read/writes and a waste of CPU cycles. There are better search tools out there, for example ones that just read the mft and have all the files immediately without indexing. I prefer to just disable the service since I can't uninstall it, but recently I've been test driving vanilla 8 interface (so to speak). Can't say I like the built in search tho, it's almost never helpful, excluding the fact that the SkyDrive folder doesn't exist according to my other search program.

Sent from my 820 using Board Express
[Windows 8 General] netham45:
I did see the increase in boot speed and loading, but once it was loaded I haven't noticed any performance issues. I also have 16GB of RAM, so I never paid much attention to how it was being used. I do know that I have 2 VMs running, and the Windows 8 VM is taking less RAM than the XP VM is.

It only works in Windows 8 Enterprise, I've tried it. I ended up setting up a VM of the Windows 8 Enterprise trial to try, and it worked there.

It's purely a matter of aesthetic preference, which is going to vary from person to person. I liked Windows 7's look more, personally. To each his own, as you said.

I haven't noticed any slowdown with indexing, but I also have two SSDs in a fakeraid, so I don't notice drive slowdown much.

I just pulled up ThrottleStop on my desktop (i5 2500k), and the speed seems to be scaling just fine with Hyper-V enabled, so I'm not sure why you guys are getting locked at 100%.

Also, slightly offtopic, but Windows RT compared to Android, there's no comparison on tablets. Windows RT blows the hell out of Android for pretty much any task. Yes, Android has more apps, but I bet in 6 months time that won't be an issue at all.
[Windows 8 General] JihadSquad:
Indexing also reads the content of the files.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] robbdeeze:
Probably didn't word there title correct but my question is, is there a way to make an app not stop working when phone is connected to mhl/HDMI to TV. I've downloaded the xfinity TV app from the play store and every time I try to use the app while connected to an external TV/monitor the app gives me an error message saying to disconnect from the external source. Thanks in advance forum.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jmd1213:
Did you ever find a solution for this? Having the same issue.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rangercaptain:
What rom?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] osxespresso:
same issue

Ya I need a work around app that lets xfinity think hdmi out is the primary display...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jmd1213:


I found a older version of the app. It works fine now with HDMI out. Just don't update the app.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] robbdeeze:
Would you mind sharing the app. Would be highly appreciated.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] juan91:
Is it okay to use use a mac on htcdev.com?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whiplashh:
I don't see why not? Its just a website.

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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] juan91:
But like the actual unlocking process fastboot and command prompt