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[Galaxy S III General] lurchbyrep:
Ha! That's great! I had an N95, and allow me to say that I have never seen a smartphone with a RAM problem like that one had. Sure, I wish my i9300 had 2gb. Contrary to what some believe, I do think our phone is limited at 1gb. Nevertheless, there's really no comparison with the 128mb N95. Not only in specs but in general user experience, I am shocked that anyone would ever compare them.

But, here's to happiness in your next phone! Cheers.
[Galaxy S III General] sermonth:
try this. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2007854
[Galaxy S III General] got-petrol:
i dont think 1 gig is enough look at the nexus 4 its got 2 gig and now look at this new flip phone even samsung no we need 2 gig http://phandroid.com/2012/11/23/samsung-w2013-jackie-chan/ they shafted us with 1 gig
[Galaxy S III General] jj92942000:
Stock rom was so bloated had huge problems, switched to Omega's v33.2 bloatware free and no issues. Actually I can run 23 apps in background with about 100mb ram free and no issues. If I clear I have about 425mb free. I don't mess with ram anymore forgot about it till this thread. Flawless now.
[Galaxy S III General] scoffyburito:
1gb is more than enough its just Samsung doesn't optimise anything or take a ram limit into account
[Galaxy S III General] got-petrol:
if 1 gig if enough why is there 2 gig in the nexus 4 everybody is going to be mad in a years time when Samsung say they can't update the I9300 because of ram but the other version of do get updated and we get a value pack
[Galaxy S III General] Tatsuya79:
I agree with people saying it's more a Samsung problem than a lack of RAM.

I bought a Note2 this week (which has 2GB RAM) and I noticed some text scrolling stuttering here and there, same for animations...

The most shocking thing was about the gallery: when I was browsing through pics and came near a 3000*2000 one (it's just 1MB in size though) it was slowing down and loading the whole pic again each time...

Ram was always around 500-700MB free.

I mean, I'm browsing the exact same pic folder on my old SGS1 with CM10 and it's smooth without a hiccup! :silly:

Anyway I returned the Note2 and got a 2nd hand I9300. If I had done it the other way around I could suspect a RAM problem but not now.

So, having 2GB RAM would be great (and Samsung were greedy for the starting price point of this phone) but bad framework and bloat apps are the main issue here I believe.
[Galaxy S III General] scoffyburito:
I'm pretty sure the that kind of thought has only come around recently. I used fluid android phones since the N1, G1 and they were fine. GS1 and the NS are rolling well with 4.0.4 and higher with half of what we have. The Nexus 4 is just Google and LG putting pressure on the market to evolve like they did with the N1
[Galaxy S III General] setspeed:
The lack of RAM goes hand in hand with the poor optimisation of the software. I had doubts about buying this i9300 when it got announced with just 1GB of RAM, it was expected to have 2GB according to the rumour mill, and that's what I wanted. Now, my choices are to try & tweak the hell out of the thing to get half decent multitasking, or install an AOSP-ish ROM to fix Samsung's ****-up (and have no properly working camera, etc).

This is the reason I'm considering going to the N4 at the moment, but that phone has a lot of downsides compared to the i9300. I can't afford to sell my i9300 and buy i9305. Nor would I want to, when the release of the S4 is probably less than 6mths away - I'd feel like I got mugged off.

If this i9300 had 2GB of RAM then there's no way I'd consider selling it and changing phones for at least another year, but then I guess that was probably Samsung's plan all along...
[Galaxy S III General] jj92942000:
+1 Touché!
[Galaxy S III General] themadproducer:
Great discussion guys.

I spent hundreds hours experimenting with Android rom management, custom roms, scripts like the V6 SuperCharger, Bloatware optimizations, and my own ram management solutions using apps like Tasker to automate etc etc.

In a nut shell...

1gb of ram on a super fined tuned optimized de-bloated custom rom using basic apps for those with basic needs...is definitely plenty enough as stated by other users. But on a stock rom with no optimizations, the system will choke, and/or have far less background apps stay in ram (15max) etc etc. I mean, even when using a custom optimized rom, usually the total ram is not 1gb anyway, it's more like 800mb...minus the rom and apps...= more like 200-400mb free at best. Soon as you start using things like contacts and menus, already caching starts using ram.

Then enter 2g ram. Actual available ram is more like 1.6gb. On a stock rom like mine which I have customized and optimized....is still using 700mb at boot time leaving me with about 900mb free at boot time. Now, me being a Power User that likes to use my S3 for just about everything...is where the extra ram comes in. (and it would be MORE free ram if I went custom but my stock rom runs absolutely flawless)

My Stock rom will allow 50 background apps...or use up to about 700mb of the free 900mb (whichever comes first) before it starts killing/swapping apps in/out of ram. So I have tons of headroom for multitasking. Some of the bigger games will peak out at 150-200mb ram or more...and I can bounce between several of them with out my other background apps getting killed. If I could pay an extra 50 bucks for a 3rd gb of ram...I would. You could play Angry Birds on Monday and RESUME on Friday. By the end of a busy day on my phone, most of my ram is utilized which is good. At some point, some apps get killed because they have been idling too long. I am not sure if it's the OS that decides this, or if the app ASKS the OS to do this when the OS does it's garbage cleanup routine.

As ram becomes bigger on these smart devices, I can see that we will be able to run the entire phone on ram at one point in the future. No disrespect to 1gb owners...but if given a choice, (and some of you RESPECTFULLY...got shafted by the way Samsung secretly released their i9305 so shortly after the i9300) why settle for a PigNose guitar amplifier when you can run a Marshall stack like the big boys! :D
[Galaxy S III General] scoffyburito:
I kind of like a 1gb challenge
[Galaxy S III General] themadproducer:
Good attitude. That's how we learn.
[Galaxy S III General] wednesday13:
Btw how many tabs can our browser handle (no reloading)? Please specify which browser.
[Galaxy S III General] themadproducer:
Not 100% sure what you mean, but...

I use Boat Browser. High praise for this browser.

I opened 16 tabs with 16 different webpages loaded.

It wont let be go more than 16 nor will I EVER need to.

Memory used was 175mb.

Not sure what you mean by no reloading?

But there was no page or ram issues whatsoever or any home screen issue etc.
[Galaxy S III General] DjeMBeY:
I've got solution for All of you with low RAM... Get yourself i9305 and forget about.... :D
[Galaxy S III General] soulzero:
I cant believe anyone can seriously say this phone has no ram problem. It reloads about everything i leave in my background. I have to restart games/apps/EVERYTHING everytime i pause it. I NEVER had this problem on my S II.

So if it didnt happen on my S II it shouldnt happen on this one either. Samsung just screwed us over to buy their next flagship which im seriously considering as the ram problem is working on my nerves. I tried a few roms and kernels already. Dont change anything.
[Galaxy S III General] themadproducer:
Well, I hear yah. I would be pissed if I was you.

If you have tried everything, and you intend to keep the S3, then do yourself a favor, and experiment with the V6 Supercharger mod(s) and take matters into your own hands. (Thanks Samsung :silly: ) V6 can be complicated, but when it's done right, ram management will be REVISED to work better than any stock setup with the V6 mods. Sounds like your the PERFECT candidate for V6. Remember, one of the biggest improvements from usig V6, is the ability to adjust the number of background apps allowed to stay in ram. Good Luck.
[Galaxy S III General] eggman89:
Today I was listening to music on PlayerPro and browsing net on chrome.

I was looking at some images on Google maps and before I realized, Android killed PowerAmp :-S

And launcher.

Seriously, sick of this cell :x
[Galaxy S III General] blazevxi:
So it didn't kill your music then?
[Galaxy S III General] eggman89:
It did. The music stopped as Player Pro was closed.

How annoying.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3
[Galaxy S III General] jj92942000:
All I can say is I had several annoting issues on stock rooted on jb, random reboots, apps close, reflashed stock same, reflashed after full wipe ans reformat still same. Ram was 200mb free about. Decided to flash Omega's Rom now no issues none smooth as silk. My wife's unrooted stock no issues. My guess Sammy's doing something to stock doesn't much like root, conflicts with binaries. So if you root I'd flash custom rom.
[Nexus 4 General] i.l.p:
Got my Nexus 4 today, for those in the UK, i bought it on PAYG from o2 (£399)

Been running FLAC files through PowerAMP with my Sennheiser IE7's and they sound as good, if not better than my Cowon J3 DAP.

The Cowon J3 is a high-end DAP so i'm really impressed this phone can compete.

No yellow screen issues so far either, but i've not been benchmarking yet, gonna give it a week before i stress it out.
[Nexus 4 General] OverTheBelow:
Yeah I was really surprised with the audio when I first plugged in my XB-1000's. I was expecting mediocre-bad audio quality that you typically get with phones but this seems really great. It's a really well rounded phone.
[Nexus 4 General] downwiththebanksters:
Wow, surprising, and good to hear. My GS2 really has dead lifeless sound through my ety's. I've taken to using my Pre for MP3's as it sounds infinitely better. I hope others post their impressions here as this may be one thing that pushes me over to this handset once it arrives here. Damn shame they only put max 16g in it if it really is a musical media player. Did supercurio weigh in on it yet?
[Nexus 4 General] v-haker:
Wow! Can you please compare it with iphone 4/4s? I used to listen to xb-500 with iphone 4s and it sounds pretty good. Interesting to compare nexus to iphone by sound quality. Thanks in advance!
[Nexus 4 General] Dragooon123:
Is it better than Galaxy Nexus? I got budget Sennheiser earphones so I doubt I'll hear much of a difference, but I'm thinking of getting a good pair.
[Nexus 4 General] noobdeagle:
YES!, id put the nexus 4 up there with the SGS3 tbh.
[Nexus 4 General] juliano_q:
Thats amazing! I am back on my gnexus after selling my sgs3 and the audio of the gnexus is terrible, I miss my sgs3. Hope my N4 arrives soon :)
[Nexus 4 General] GchildT:
I think the Nexus 4 has the same DAP as the GSIII (US). There is a noticeable sound difference although the amp volume is lower. It still sound much better than the GalaxyNexus + Sound Tweaks.
[Nexus 4 General] tehrules:
Actually now I've tried headphones, incredible on stock audio settings with Poweramp.

I have one issue, using the headphone jack with the line input on my car suggests the output is quite low (I used to have an Atrix, I had to turn that down one from full because it distorts!). I now have to turn my car up quite high to be able to hear anything. One thing I am appalled about is the fact the device doesn't seem to play nice with my car charger... i get serious background noise when that is plugged in (no issues on the Atrix)
[Nexus 4 General] GchildT:
Same here. Low output to car...
[Nexus 4 General] noobdeagle:
i had an international SGS3 with the voodoo sound implementation from siyah, while the Nexus 4 does sound worse its not a whole lot worse.

the main differences fell with the bass they are not quite as deep and the highs are a bit rolled off compared to the SGS3 but not enough to cause an unpleasant listening experience; im sure with time perhaps with DSP manager it will be even closer.

but the bottom line is its not that much worse that id go back to the SGS3 and audio quality was my main concern with the keeping either handset (i've only just put the SGS3 on ebay :D)

for the comparisons i used Shure SE535;s IEM's
[Nexus 4 General] OverTheBelow:
I don't have any Apple devices so I can't compare, but I can tell you it sounds really good with my older XB-500's too in comparison to my PC soundcard & especially previous phone (Xperia X10).

It's not head-thumpingly bassy and loud like you'd get with a proper amp, but there is still some good bass and just overall the sound is very pleasant. :good: I think you will be quite happy with how it sounds if you're not overly audiophilic.
[Nexus 4 General] noobdeagle:
cant speak for the iphone but!, i have a cowon S9 and as many know sound ALOT better than apple devices and the Nexus 4 is not far off of the Cowon S9 once again not quite as deep bass, or as crisp highs but pretty damn close. (for reference tho SGS3(int) with siyah kernal sounds the same as Cowon S9 + J3)
[Nexus 4 General] tweaked:
I noticed a much better audio then I had on my inspire through Bluetooth.

But then again my phone was 2 years old. So I was expecting as much.:laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] Guster730:
I was using an iPhone 4 while I waited for my nexus, I can say the nexus sounds a thousand times better.
[Nexus 4 General] strung:
Testing now through Sennheiser HD 280s. Sound quality is excellent to my ears. No hiss, pops. Much better than the GS2, the DAC on that is a pile. Volume could probably be a touch louder, I'm between two and three clicks down from max volume in Google Music for regular listening volume. That may explain the low volumes with car stereos. I'll compare with an iPhone 5 later.
[Nexus 4 General] bmallory:
Ah so it wasn't just me! I did notice a difference when switching from my gs2. I use the new xb600. It sounded like crap on my gs2.
[Nexus 4 General] v-haker:
Thank you, guys! I'm very impressed with the results! Waiting for the further comparision with other devices :)
[Nexus 4 General] aimetti:
loving the nexus 4 but music hooked up to car stereo sounds like crap compared to the iphone 4s/5.

Output level is extremely low on the nexus as well. What needs to be at a level 20 on my wifes iphone is like a 32 on the nexus 4. Ill experiment w/ the equalizer tonight but as it stands it doesnt compare. (sorry for being unbiased)
[Nexus 4 General] dsmdc5:
I thought the GS3 had better sound output. My n4 just doesnt get as loud. Is there anything I can do to fix this? btw i use google music
[Nexus 4 General] Nexus 4:
I'll test mine with my brand new AKG k236 asap!
[Nexus 4 General] zealtor:
Loving the sound with my ATH-M50s. Much better than the crappy sound out of my T989 S2 and pretty much on par with my fiio E7.
[Nexus 4 General] Dragooon123:
Is the volume level better than a gnex?
[Nexus 4 General] ronnyzilker:
Sound quality is really good in my opinion.
[Nexus 4 General] i.l.p:
To get louder with this phone remember that low impedence/high sensitivity is best.

I'm thinking the output was designed with IEM's in mind rather than some of the stuff you guys are plugging in, but i think it could be changed once developers get into the swing of things.

Tested my Fischer Audio FA-011's which are 98 dB/mW 160 Ω and the phone does struggle with them, can hear them fine but finding i'm craving more volume.

My IE7's:

Impedance: 16 Ω

Sensitivity: 100 dB/mW

Nexus 4 powers them to almost unbearable levels.

As long as your headphones are >96dB/mW and <50 Ω i can't really see you running into any issues sound level wise unless you're hearing impaired.
[Nexus 4 General] aznsmith:
Yeah same here. I miss the volume on my iphone 4 but everything else is pretty nice, however, i wish the phone provides battery info from my bluetooth devices like iOS (maybe there's a setting for it).
[Nexus 4 General] 7water:
It feels very meh compared to my Samsung Vibrant with Voodoo installed. Then again, very opinion based.

MDR-V6

Koss Ultrapro

and that whatever monoprice IEM

playing FLAC through poweramp and Meridian
[Nexus 4 General] adamhlj:
I don't really know much about sound science, but I did a comparison between the volume levels of my N4 and N7 using stock everything and plugging both devices into my car stereo (stock subaru outback with the amp/sub installed under the driver seat.) I found that the sound was much quieter on the N4. It was hard to hear a lot on the N4, but everything was coming through loud and bass-y on my N7.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Actually the FLAC is transcoded to 320kbps MP3 when playback.

So you aren't hearing any substantial differences between FLAC and MP3.

P.S. I mean with Google Play Music app. See here: https://support.google.com/googleplay/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1100462

With other music player app is different.
[Nexus 4 General] mobilehavoc:
I came from both a Galaxy Nexus and a GS3. I use a MW600 paired with UE TriFis and I was blown away with the Nexus 4. To me at least it sounds way better than either the GN or GS3 ever did. Very happy.
[Nexus 4 General] alpha beta gaga:
wow that is impressive! i've not fully tested the n4 audio via my shure 840's but i am/was in the market for a £200 high-end dap but not sure if i will bother now. with 4.2 running gapless too (many high-end dap do not by default) then that is even more high praise for the n4. ok i've only got 8gb but gotta love that cloud! :D
[Nexus 4 General] ralfjai:
does anyone test with shure se215 and klipsch image X10?
[Nexus 4 General] manlisten:
Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and take back anything bad I've said about the Nexus 4's sound quality. Just bought a set of V-Sonic GR02s an they're awesome with this phone. Nice and loud with no distortion and great range. Ugly as sin but they're pretty great.
[Nexus 4 General] ludovicien:
Just tested back to back with the Nexus S, which shades the N4 in sound and goes quite a bit louder using the same locally-stored FLAC file. The NS is definitely the equal of the Cowon J3 and the N4 not far off. The difference between the two is most noticeable using Play Music which sounds flatter on the 4.
[Nexus 4 General] dubt17:
Yes! Shure 215s sound great!
[Nexus 4 General] omergohan:
lol S2 was pretty bad

I sold my s2 a week before the nexus 4 launch, and have been using an old samsung flip phone and a first gen ipod. I gotta say the first gen ipod trumps the S2 in terms of headphone sound quality, I was actually surprised.

Really excited to plug in my Headphones into this bad boy once it arrives on Friday.

Anyone know if this thing has a built in FM tuner, I would love to rock Spirit FM on it.
[Nexus 4 General] chlehqls:
I'm using my special Panasonic HJE-900 and it sounds decent to me. I mean my Cowon i9 can definitely provide better overall clarity but for my usage, it's perfectly fine.

I haven't tried any of my flac files yet though.
[Nexus 4 General] Gilligan87:
A/B'd with my Voodoo'd Samsung Infuse (same DAC/Amp combo as Nexus S, therefore on par with high end portable DAPs), it definitely holds its own. The biggest difference is the warmth: the N4 has a bit more midbass and less extended treble. There is more midbass color and the whole range is just slightly less detailed. Soundstage is just a bit better, actually, I think; it seems noticeable listening to Bluetech with my X10 and TF10.

This is running FLAC files through Neutron, which definitely provides better audio quality than other Android media players (yes I have A/B'd numerous times against PowerAmp with a variety of phones and I believe Neutron has a more detailed sound). I A/B'd my Klipsch X10, UE Triple Fi 10, Earsonics SM3, and Shure SE215.

Here's my slightly longer writeup on Head-Fi:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/634048/google-nexus-4/30#post_8905132
[Nexus 4 General] noobdeagle:
its even better with SE535's :D
[Nexus 4 General] alpha beta gaga:
was it only play music you did the comparison on?
[Nexus 4 General] ludovicien:
Originally Posted by ludovicien

Just tested back to back with the Nexus S, which shades the N4 in sound and goes quite a bit louder using the same locally-stored FLAC file. The NS is definitely the equal of the Cowon J3 and the N4 not far off. The difference between the two is most noticeable using Play Music which sounds flatter on the 4.

I put two identical FLAC files I usually listen to on a Cowon J3 on each phone's internal memory and listened using the Jetaudio app. I listened to the same songs through the Play Music app (automatically transcoded to 320kbps mp3 from what I understand) using Sennheiser HD25 and Ultimate Ears 700 IEMs. The J3 and the Nexus S were best with the FLAC files, just a bit more dynamic but the Nexus 4 was fine. Comparing the NS and N4 using Play, the N4 has a bit less high end (some might prefer this) and a flatter soundstage ( I was listening to a piece with a lot of audience clapping).
[Nexus 4 General] Gilligan87:
double post
[Nexus 4 General] alpha beta gaga:
very interesting. so out of 100, how would you score the n4 and the nexus s?
[Nexus 4 General] Gilligan87:
Well personally I use the infuse, which is the same DAC/amp as Nexus S, and its the best source I've heard to date so it's hard for me to say. I would rate it about 7.5 for SQ on its own, just because I think its dynamics are a little deficient and the soundstage in general from the Infuse is unimpressive. Overall resolution and clarity is very good though.

I think the soundstage on the N4 is a little better, but detail and resolution are a little lower, and the FR is less extended on both ends. So I guess I would give the N4 a 7/10, about on par with the iPhone 4; it's less glossy sounding than I remember the iPhone being, a little more raw in the mids, but not as detailed in the treble.

I REEEAALLYY can't wait for USB DAC support. If it doesn't come I will cry :crying:
[Nexus 4 General] alpha beta gaga:
that is pretty fantastic news for the £240 n4 :D
[Nexus 4 General] heat361:
Is there anyway it could amplify a louder sound? The amplifier seems a little weak IMO.
[Nexus 4 General] hallucynogenyc:
Look on dealextreme/ebay for "fiio amplifier" ;)
[Nexus 4 General] ludovicien:
I just tried amplifying the N4 with a Fiio E7. Kraftwerk Due Roboter. It was much better without the Fiio. Sound is growing on me, very warm. My Sennheiser HD25 1-ii are not hard to drive (70 ohm) and the N4 can make them as loud as I would medically advise anyone to go. I can't hear traffic when walking about.
[Nexus 4 General] spoonboy:
This is great to hear - thanks for posting.

I sold an S3 to (try) and get an N4, I was concerned about the SQ as Supercurio wasn't impressed with it.

This goes towards putting my mind at rest.
[Nexus 4 General] mathi_vadhanan:
For people complaining about low volume in car via aux-in, should try bluetooth A2DP.

If you don't have bluetooth in you car, use this

Bluetooth receiver as FM transmitter.

I don't think any of the mobile phones have a powerful enough AMP to drive car speakers.
[Nexus 4 General] Gilligan87:
My Voodoo'd Infuse sure does.
[Nexus 4 General] djemgee:
Nexus 4 >>> beats studios

Hi, has anyone tested the nexus 4 with beats studios? As I've just ordered my n4 an am a little worried about the low volume levels. If anyone can help ill be much abliged. Thanks
[Nexus 4 General] wynand32:
Regarding car audio, perhaps LG will come out with a nice dock that will improve things. I know that my Motorola Photon had excellent sound via its sound dock, and my SGSII has decent sound through its (although there's plenty of interference from the charger).
[Nexus 4 General] alangrig:
Have to admit Gnexus still sounds better. Tested with Sony MDR-7509.