yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] CatsAreGods:
It's been like that for quite a while. I suspect the larger one handles the kernel settings in real time and the other polls for kernel updates.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] markd0wn:
As stated before, I'm not sure how he'll deal with the JWR66V vs. JSS15J kernel issue, people who use stock JWR66V with most recent GPU commits will have the screen flicker issue, yet those are important for people who actually use JSS15J, whether a clean AOSP build of it or any custom ROM.

Not sure what franco is planning on doing, but there might be 2 versions of franco kernel - one for JWR66V and one for JSS15J. Unless he decides to abandon one of them. Custom ROMs will be based on JSS15J, so basically every ROM that isn't a Google factory image (or a zip based on that) will be JSS15J, which should be more popular among XDA users (but not the average joe who doesn't do any flashing).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] zephiK:
Franco will support JSS because its the AOSP build. It makes more sense since I'm sure the majority of users will be using AOSP-based ROMs and it will outnumber the individuals who may use stock ROM + custom kernel. It is also the newer build with newer GPU commits which ultimately leads to a better experience for N4 users.

Personally.... if someone is going to stay on stock ROM + custom kernel that makes no sense to me. Either go big or go home, not go small and use a custom kernel. Its like trying to re innovate your house. Using a custom kernel + stock ROM is like painting the walls but then you don't replace the carpets/flooring. Just redo the whole thing if you're going to "re innovate" your house.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] markd0wn:
I agree, if one build is dropped it should be the JWR build. 99.9% here will want everything latest and greatest. If it does happen though we should expect a flood of people wondering why the kernel isn't working properly on their stock build, so a big note in the OP (which franco will say nobody reads, and will be kinda right) should state that.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] strainhunter:
Isn´t one the Per-app power mode service? i think so....
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] JNewms:
The thing is, Franco uses stock ROM.

Franco Minuum Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] markd0wn:
Maybe right this second for testing, but in general he mentioned a custom rom that he uses (and helped develop). I doubt the factory stock will be his daily, there's already a clean JSS15J AOSP build and custom roms to follow.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Shano56:
I looked at didn't see anything, could you point me to this rule? Or is this just a rule that some devs have, so you assume everyone has to have it?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kyokeun1234:
As of now I believe. He'll probably move back to Minco or something when that moves to Android 4.3
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kenkiller:
Given how the updater is a Play Store product, and the number of stock users out there is definitely not lesser than those on AOSP/Custom variants, imho it will never be feasible that Franco will drop support for stock.

Always remember, in this small corner of the net that is XDA, it's not a good gauge. People here tend to push for what they themselves prefer, irregardless of what others think. Some always have the idea that what they prefer is what EVERYBODY prefers, which is damn ridiculous when you think about it. :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] pkelly517:
JSS is the latest (and possibly greatest).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ArclightX:
Damn it!!!! I knew I should have pushed it to 1 hour!!!!!!

So Close!!!!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] markd0wn:
Yep, that's what I meant. If Google made it the official OTA/released factory images it would solve all our problems.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] shahabk818:
Does Open GL ES 3.0 make a difference on games and overall graphic performance?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ÜBER™:
Yes, perapp service and the other is the power service or whatever for the system monitor iirc.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ballastatuz:
Everyone ready for 2012

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jack1984:
Going to bed, but this is what I got running underclocked at 1.3ghz. I've been home all day for a new years party, so naturally I've been on WiFi almost the whole time.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] javacody:
Unplugged at 10 AM, used the phone a bit here and there and plugged in again at 1:30 AM with 59% battery left. Pretty damn amazing!

My secret? On wifi the whole time, gps off, nfc on. Bluetooth off. Turn off gmail sync, froze my eBay app, froze network broadcast service, and disabled Facebook notifications. Also, Franco Kernel #23 of course. This is about twice the battery life I was getting on 17, 18, etc.

Nice work Franco and happy new year!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] zevim2005:
Charged my phone all night when i unplugged went from 100 to 22% in seconds.... whats wrong???
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Skillfulshoe:
Just curious as to what let's you have that information showing in the top middle part of the notification bar.

Side note kernel related: I've also come to the conclusion that ROW is making my phone a tad smoother. Hasn't affected my battery that I can tell.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] republicano:
get battery calibration at the market, charge to 100% then wipe the stats, i think there is an option in cwm too.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] drawde40599:
Let it die , then charge 2 full. While OFF . don't use apps from market not going to help your issue
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] wipian:
Exactly. This phone was unlocked and had a fresh install of CM and this kernel within minutes of first opening the box.

Nothing else has been flashed.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Nebucatnetzer:
Can I tell you a secret? The battery stats are getting wiped ever time you unplug the phone after it has been charged to a certain level (>90% IIRC).

https://plus.google.com/u/0/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] zaki67:
Anyone getting good battery life on 3g?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] cobyman7035:
wondering if franco can integrate this cerebus app into next release?

https://www.cerberusapp.com/download.php
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] inffy:
What does that have to do with the kernel?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] drawde40599:
o_O!!!!!!!!!!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] :
You just went full retard, man. If you want it then download it. I don't want my phone full with bloatware.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Etihad:
Wondering if Franco can integrate Windows XP into next release?

OT: franco.Kernel updater app updated.

Edit: For those still drunk from New Year celebrations: my post was ironic.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Luigiesin:
Why not iOS.? LOL! Dude come on! :eek:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ceejay83:
Welp, that was a pretty random request
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kyokeun1234:
Today's gonna be a looooong day :D

Gonna be using 4g LTE for like 4 hours AND I woke up extra early today... Hopefully Franco kernel will give me extra boost in terms of battery!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] tim.smart:
Was looking at the logcat output, and ran into this: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=39723

Will probably have to filter it in the meantime.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] alcurtis93:
This isn't anything to do with the kernel. You can't include apps like these. If you want it, download it to your ROM
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
It does. The only thing is most games doesn't have it yet. I'm sure future updates will include it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] zephiK:
Its difficult to say because the games are not yet optimized or utilizing OpenGL ES just yet. I remembered hearing during the press announcement that Google will be releasing the demos they used for OpenGL ES on the Play Store sometime in the near future.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bU9i5SJf994&t=721 is the video but the YouTube video isnt in 720p/1080p but it definitely was impressive
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] gharrrrrr:
To be honest I just saw a chance to make a Fight Club reference and decided to go for it. I don't know if it is a rule or not. But I do know it is impolite and maybe even a bit improper to ask a hard working dev for an ETA. Just kinda one of those of those common courtesy kind of things. Cheers.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using a waffle iron.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] markd0wn:
https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-msm-mako-3.4-jb-mr2

https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest/+/android-4.3_r2.1_^!/#F0
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Shano56:
So I installed r170 and this happened....

just kidding ;), don't phone and drunk kids...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Pure Drive GT:
well that got to hurt

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 4 mit Tapatalk 4 Beta
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] JNewms:
He uses stock regularly. Minco is based on stock as well.

Franco Minuum Nexus 4

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It's definitely a rule. Search and you can find it if you insist on reading it for yourself. But, for future reference, it's just something you don't do.

Franco Minuum Nexus 4

---------- Post added at 06:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:38 PM ----------

It's definitely a rule. Search and you can find it if you insist on reading it for yourself. But, for future reference, it's just something you don't do.

Franco Minuum Nexus 4

---------- Post added at 06:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:38 PM ----------

It's definitely a rule. Search and you can find it if you insist on reading it for yourself. But, for future reference, it's just something you don't do.

Franco Minuum Nexus 4

---------- Post added at 06:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:39 PM ----------

It's definitely a rule. Search and you can find it if you insist on reading it for yourself. But, for future reference, it's just something you don't do.

Franco Minuum Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Shano56:
Its definitely not a rule, I checked. And besides, all developers are different, what if one likes giving etas? I understand not constantly nagging, but comeon, no need to make up rules. A better answer to someone who asks is to state something like "probably when he gets back from his vacation". That's a lot more constructive than "no etas". anyways, this discussion should probably stop before the mods have to clear the thread out again.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] JNewms:
No, it IS a rule. I'm not going to argue with you. If you keep asking for them you will probably get an infraction.

Franco Minuum Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ROFLkopter:
Its common courtesy round here to not ask for ETA's though. Sure, some devs may give them, but its a general rule of thumb to not ask for them. Its always good to be surprised by a new update anyway though :D

Sent from a Paranoid Android w/ franco.Kernel powered Nexus 4 with XDA Premium!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Floydfire:
I'm using the stock. Work well for me and I don't see why you think that all want paranoid or carbon or cyanogen or aosp, I have tried all and with non-nexus phone used like hell on nexus I found that ROM with gapps integrated, stock by Google with Franco kernel is solid and useful like rock. I have app for what I need and you can simply change the furniture on your house without change all or change only painting without changing all and you have the house of you dream. It's all in what you like. Will see what Franco think but I don't see why all modded is better, and I told you on my s2 I was all time on ultra modded ROM. On my nexus I like the simplicity and fastness of stock. Fastness on flashing and using. I don't have to think about gapps about installing those who haven't in zip. But if Franco will use only aosp I will flash aosp.. But only because I love his kernel.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] markd0wn:
If you like simplicity/fastness of stock, A clean AOSP build is even simpler/faster than Google's stock. It includes AOSP browser and other AOSP alternatives to Google apps, and actual Google apps are optional on it, you could install a minimal package with essentials only (play store, sync services) just once, everything else is optionally available from the play store. This way you won't have forced system apps such as Maps/Books/Magazines/Keep/Earth/Streetview/Pinyin/iWnnIME and other things I can't remember. There are some clean builds of it that aren't customized like CM and the like. And it is 'official' because the entire code is on AOSP and it's just more updated than what Google released as stock with their own zips/images. It still comes from Google, both the ROM code and the kernel. Example of clean AOSP here. The factory images from Google are essentially an AOSP build (older build JWR66V and not JSS15J) with some apps replaced (browser with Chrome) and some apps added (like the ones I listed).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Shano56:
Enlighten me

http://xdaforums.com/announcement.php?a=81

Or enlighten yourself...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Floydfire:
I can simply disable the keyboard I don't use, I know there's a clean build but gapps in zip are less than stock I like current, keep, earth and I use sometime maps and streetview and I like more chrome than aosp browser.. But, I have already stated that isn't a problem for me, only exposed that I don't think that change all is better.. Only one thought I have now... When and if I must change to clean aosp from image of Google (odexed) I will need to wipe data or not? Because is annoying but if is necessary like I said, it's not a problem for me. Month ago with my s2 I had carbon and changed a lot of kernel and ROM... and now I'm so amazed in how is beautiful Google stock and Franco kernel... I'm a little strange or is normal when you switch to nexus? (For Franco kernel I think is normal. It's awesome kernel, clean, simple and stable)

Oh, another question and then I will stop off topic... Why nobody do a dual boot on nexus⁴? Is impossible or nobody developed already?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ben_pyett:
Having been on xda for a while now, I've always read, been taught and learnt, and therefore consider it a rule, having been reminded of it so many times over the years across multiple forums, whether it be an unwritten rule, one based on an actual rule or just general manners and politeness or something just perceived as a rule, doesn't actually matter as it's still incorrect behaviour in my opinion.

In this thread reading a page would even educate you to know that the developer has pre released a current build early release while on vacation, having already provided both a stable milestone and several improved nightly releases only recently,..let the man enjoy himself and come back fully refreshed from his vacation and give us a quality Franco 4.3 version, it's not like he's been slacking off.

I don't see the need for this further conversation. You asked why? That's why I believe it's proper forum etiquette. If you believe otherwise, we'll have to agree to differ.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Rivermind:
Every time you ask for an ETA, God kills a developer.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] markd0wn:
You can of course still download keep/earth/currents/maps/streetview etc from the store. As for the other question, I think it should be safe to dirty flash an AOSP build over a Google build. It will wipe /system so you may have the AOSP browser and such but data should still be there and you could re-get Chrome from the store. Didn't try it personally yet, but I'm sure others did. I usually wipe everything when changing ROMs.

And yep, it's pretty normal to be excited about anything Nexus-related (and custom kernels such as franco's) when coming from other devices.

As far as I know, dual booting on nexus 4 is not possible.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] anazhd:
based on the amount of this offtopics, it is too damn high. What are you 'guys' chasing for? Un-updated kernel for a few days will cause zombie apocalypse ? or you are just toooooooo excited that you own a nice device and you demand a nice updates every single seconds of your entire happy life?

if you were in prison and we all ask when is your ETA to outside world everyday, you wont pissed off?

tl;dr get a life.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] CatsAreGods:
Odd, because I also have two processes like that and I have the per-app power modes turned off.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] drawde40599:
U sat on it huh ? I did that **** , pissed me the hell off , u can get glass from Ebay 25$ pretty easy to replace in bout an hour ( glues a *****)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Shano56:
Dropped it on my sidewalk, 6 inches from the grass -.- I had the case off cuz my aux plug on my stereo doesn't fit
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] cobyman7035:
Any on 4.3+franco kernel?

Google Voice via my r72 NeXus⁴ using XDA Premium
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] alanwyl:
yea, have you finally managed to get 4.2.2?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Red Wolf:
I was wondering about the same thing
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Redneck Trash:
Um, yes.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ÜBER™:
Patiently waiting for Franco goodness on my nexus 7 :D.

(Sorry for the OT)

Sent my Nexus 7 (2013) via Tapatalk Beta
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] alanwyl:
The new one? It has the same chip as in here.:good:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ÜBER™:
Yep the new one. :D

Sent my Nexus 7 (2013) via Tapatalk Beta
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nereuseng:
Hi Franco, Have you any plan to add BLX into your kernel? This will extending phone's life as we don't have a removable battery. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Shano56:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1257497

Just flashed stock 4.3. Phones ****ing on fire better flash F.k!!

Oh f.uck I installed over JSS build. :/
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] freddienuxx:
Which Franco kernel for 4.3

my nexus 4 using ROOTBOX/TAPATALK BETA
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] scream4cheese:
R170
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] freddienuxx:
How is it working for you?

my nexus 4 using ROOTBOX/TAPATALK BETA
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Redneck Trash:
Works fine. Just keep in mind that r170 is the initial release for 4.3 and Franco's on vacation so not all the optimizations are there yet. But the smoothness and battery life are there. It'll only get better.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nereuseng:
I don't understand. What thing do you want me to see? :confused:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] freddienuxx:
Ok how come I can't find 170 anywhere?

my nexus 4 using stock 4.3 and rooted up

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My bad its right in front of my face Thx and I did search

my nexus 4 using stock 4.3 and rooted up
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] JNewms:
It's not in the OP. you have to use search. It's a few pages back.

Franco Minuum Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kyokeun1234:
Use search tool to find it in the thread. Franco didn't upload it to his site. He only uploaded onto this thread
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] freddienuxx:
Oh OK my bad! Thx again

my nexus 4 using stock 4.3 and rooted up
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] drawde40599:
That its not necessary for this phone
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] aalvico:
Isn't there that headphones volume control in r170 ? or is not in the updater app ? I can't see that option anymore.

(Using 4.3)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Bobtehblob:
R170 is currently missing a lot of functionality from previous builds and is pretty bare bones right now. Just wait till Franco gets back from his holiday and has time to implement all of his previous features :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] danslecarton:
What is the recommended setting for I/O Scheduler for more battery life?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sir*mez:
Noop or Deadline.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mierda1:
One question, anyone can see "kernel wakelocks" with franco kernel in Betterbatterystats? I have a Nexus 4 with CM 10.1.2 stable with franco kernel r165 and I have the Android OS problem (consumes too much battery ONLY when connected to a wifi).

The thing is, in order to find the root of the problem I have to see what wakelock is doing this use of battery with Android OS but I can't see any kernel wakelock. Any of other stats (Other, partial wakelock, alarm, process, etc.) do any excesive use of battery, this is why I think the problem may be a kernel wakelock... but I can't see anyone :(

Maybe its a CM problem, because I don't remember having this problem with Android OS while Wifi with stock rom.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] bokagavrilov:
thats why franco disable the kernel wakelocks too many people were complaining about wifi notification delays or whatever the driver its 100% stock and he has say many times that he wont touch the wifi until google does so yea..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] street675:
Franco removed this some time ago.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] JNewms:
Time to stop worrying about what your wakelocks are with 4.2, that's so last week. 4.3 had brought all the changes we need. Once Franco returns from vacation I'm sure we will have an awesome new kernel to play with.

Franco Minuum Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mierda1:
Thanks for the reply, you three seems to replied at the same time :P, thanks for the info.

JNewms what are the new changes we need?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] alanwyl:
Radio, audio, graphics etc...

Seen in PA G+ there are a lot of changes under the hood.

Franco might need more time than expected.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] JNewms:
Google fixed quite a bit with the kernel in this update. No more delayed push notifications, or wake locks. Things on kernel and ROM side are much better. Performance and battery has been great.

Franco Minuum Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mierda1:
Sorry but I don't see in how to uninstall franco kernell. Because this is not a normal kernel (uses different ramdisk or something like this) I cannot simply install stock kernell because I have problems loading android os.

Is there any way to uninstall franco kernel without the need of reflash the rom?

PD: Thanks alanwyl and JNewms for the info!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] alanwyl:
If you use a custom rom dirty flash the rom, if not fastboot flash the boot img from google

Android OS is apps problem. You should look at partial wakelock, alarm and network tabs
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] bokagavrilov:
What he sayed you can also do fastboot erase boot just to be sure before you flash the stock but I don't think that this is really necessary
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Pure Drive GT:
This is not a Kernel/Rom issue. It's the specific wifi network screwing with your phone and not letting it deepsleep. This is caused by crappy WIFI drivers, have not been able to test it with the new ones from the 4.3 update.

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 4 mit Tapatalk 4 Beta
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Drmol:
It is rom related imo, I was having the exact same problem on CM 10.1.2 and after countless of attemps to solve it I just restored a nandroid of Slim Bean and it all went back to normal, on the same wifi network