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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] drawde40599:
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U guys Posting , ' I have data issues going back to build 23 ' helps no one at all , k go back but get log first , Franco already said multiple times if u don't have a log he would read right past your issue . agn those of u that can reproduce data drop with 28 get a log for him pretty simple . here is app I use, he said logcat for data issues https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nolanlawson.logcat very easy to use ;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Ibsonic:
Hi guys, just want to mention about a bug. I don't have any data drops or whatever.. Maybe I don't see them because I don't have a pin code..

Well, after making a phone call my lock screen stays frozen and I can't unlock it.. The last soft button also disappears.. I don't have a log file because I disabled it through your app, sorry for that...

I'm on stock ROM with Franco r28.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] gtanner00:
Just temporarily opt out of beta.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hughfollett:
Download Franco's display control app from xda. It's a temporary solution..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] RealSlimShadyMC:
[MENTION=3292224]franciscofranco[/MENTION] are you going to push an update with some rollbacks/patches related to the deep sleep issue?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] _artem_:
r201 (2 days ago) -50MV (first 2 screenshots)

Yesterday on r201 as I switched to -100MV I had 18 hours on battery with almost 4 hours sot and 48%

And r202 (today) -100MV (46% with only 7 hours on battery)

Deep sleep on r202 is by zero
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] manulemaboul:
Reverted to 201, had the touchscreen gone once (unresponsive, had to hard reboot by holding the power button), then a sleep of death. Waiting for a call so can't reproduce to log it for now, I can try it later tonight if needed.

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] sordna:
non-beta play store version works fine.

However, backup your apk's guys! It's very easy to keep multiple old versions of your apk's for any app. For example App Backup & Restore and other free apps do it, and you don't even need root. Of course, Titanium and other rooted apps do it as well.

You never know when any update for any app may break something or bring unwanted changes.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] __GOLD_:
r201 is really better in battery drain.

The r202 is battery killer.... Insane the battery drain.

Hope that fanco fix this isssue really fast..

Backing to r201
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] lalo20:
For me 201 is a battery killer too. Im currently in r200 and it has a good battery life with psx v3
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] gtanner00:
Franco just posted 8min ago on Google plus that he is fixing the problem right now. Yay!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] franciscofranco:
Sorry for a small bug on r202. I was experiencing with something and I forgot to revert it.

What bothers me greatly is seeing posts almost demanding me to "fix fast". I'm not obligated to do anything, I do this for free and in my own time, so be glad I'm active and I usually fix problems very fast contrarily what others do.

I'll push a build fix soon.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] stark_br:
But be sure that for every dude which demands something, there are thousands other that are realy thankful for all your job and respect your time. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] deltatux:
I think we can safely say that many of us are truly grateful for the work you do. Bugs crop up here and there, it's part of software development, no biggie, there's always ways around it (like downgrading, which is what I've done until fix comes out). Great to see that a fix is indeed coming though.

Once again thanks man!

All the best,

deltatux
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] gtanner00:
I think its hard to tell the tone used when people are reporting bugs and problems as many of us are just trying to help but a lot of comes across as impatience when read by others.

Keep up the great work at your own pace to Franco and all other mako developers
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] franciscofranco:
Pushed r203, fixing the bug introduced with r202. I personally made sure its deep sleeping in r203 (I frakked it on the last build my messing with the pm ops suspend/resume hooks).
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] alanwyl:
Think the other way round. Most of us aren't posting to nag you to fix the problem. You saw the problem and just reverted to r200. Glad to see r203 so quickly though. Thanks.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] _artem_:
For free? Ok dude... 50k+ downloads

3,99 and 2,99 when on sale...

Let it be 3,50 * 50000 = 175k Euro, if you call it for free... ok

But that's not exactly 50k purchases, it's 50+... could be 75k... minus refunds... it's about 60k purchases... 60k * ~3,5 = 210 thousands euros... that's not for free dude
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] franciscofranco:
The Kernel is free, always is, always was, always will be. I don't have to discuss my apps revenue, but I'll just tell you that calculation is so wrong and so far off...

Its funny how you're misjudging an app with the Kernel - it makes me sad due to the thousands and thousands of hours I've spent working on this Kernel, for free, on my time, while I could be spending time doing other things. Think about it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Shubhamqweasd:
[MENTION=3292224]franciscofranco[/MENTION] , pls just ignore these type of comments :D , ur work was ,and will always be highly appreciated :D ..'

i think there's a need of a moderator in this thread to delete such stupid post's..
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ch-vox:
+1

"silence is the largest contempt"
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] :
Let's sort this out.

First, you are a developer. Yes, it's a given that your kernel is free (and by the way, it's the best of the best). Thanks for putting your time, heart and soul into it. We really appreciate that.

Second, you are a businessman whether you intend to be or not. Your business model is similar to that of "freemium" apps, free to use but users get to pay for premium features, just like FKU. Therefore, you cannot separate the fact that FKU is so tightly dependent to your so-called "free kernel" to the extent that your app is useless if the kernel doesn't work. Whether you like it or not, your kernel is the integral part of your business model. For those who don't use FKU, yes it is free but really.. who uses franco kernel without FKU? Well, there are, but few.. But the point here is, people demand fixes because they are those who are entitled customers who bought your app. What you thought is free is not really free to most franco kernel users.

As such, you are not any different from companies that develop apps. In reality, you are a developer/businessman and you have a responsibility for whatever you put out in public.

In conclusion, those users who paid for your app are your customers, please take care of them and that includes taking whatever criticisms they hurl. That's a reality in business.

Those who use this kernel but use other apps to control it, stop demanding and get a life.

Those who love franco, continue supporting.

To all of us. There's more to life, enjoy your day.

Google Nexus | Android 4.4.2
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] _artem_:
Without your kernel modification there was no reason to release the app. So it has to be seen as one thing ( kernel + app ).

Calculation may be wrong but all in all is about 100k if you have brain you'll put it in different banks under %s for year or two and it brings you interest of 200-500 euros a year for nothing, just because your money is on fixed percentage...

I never understood all that copyright crap... why should I pay for a game or photoshop (just examples) when the product is ready, it's already done, devs put their effort and it's a final product... why should I pay for every copy of a product which has already been released, it's final it's not a non stop development. Same with movies. Why every one who watches it puts his money into companies' pockets?

You made an app. But no-one buys it. You made only one copy of the product why you want to get money for every copy when you did the job only one time. You don't compile the same version over and over again for every new buyer. Don't know if you get the main idea of what I'm talking about...

A friend of mine works as a freelancer, he's asked to implement something let it be a plugin for something... person who wants to have that plugin paid him, let it be 2k, he gets the money and releases the sources of that plugin, it's not against their contract or something (don't know how to call it (tos))... there was no such plugin before, the buyer just wanted to be the first to have it and he had absolutely nothing against that the same plugin is released as open source and every one except the buyer can get it for free.

I mean you made an app (one copy) you was paid for this one copy. You want to be paid for what? As support or motivation to release new versions? Or is there another point?

If coding makes you happy, if it makes fun for you, you shouldn't expect money for that.

I also like and love to code (not java, hate it). I'm happy if my relatives or friends ask me to code some stuff, tool, parser, even a keylogger. Especially when I never touched such topic (e.g. software which is used in hospitals, for patient card or something like that), I spend some time "smoking" API, developer articles, command references and couple of days later I release that special software. For free, because I just get fun in coding and implementing stuff. I'm not releasing the sources, because I spent my time in coding this and I don't want someone to use my code, but there is also no ads and no popups telling the user to buy a license
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] MikeRL100:
I don't know exactly what to consider this business model. It works nonetheless but you guys are right. I would say that practically speaking most users that tweak your kernel are running the premium app. Yes people are likely running this kernel or have tried it before, and I know you can tweak it without the app, but I doubt most people will bother. Therefore supporting the kernel must be considered important but not volunteer work (for the most part). Forgive me if I offend, you do great work but honestly the kernel is part of your work, what good is the app without the kernel? None. Yes the app is important but so is the kernel. I'll assume some post earlier ticked you off, but you shown great support for the kernel issue I had with the kernel getting the sleep of death. It's hard to support a custom kernel with all these custom ROMs to test on. I can imagine getting sick and coming back to a tidal wave of work coming down like the heavens had just opened up explains the lack of patience. You're normally better than that. Please do not take the kernel as complete volunteer work. Don't take it as a formal job either. But do provide good support. But take it easy on yourself and all of us (even noobs) before you stress yourself out. Life is **** at times and sometimes we all need an explanation and understanding. Although I am slightly disagreeing with you I can see how you're ready to go crazy. Take it easy for your own sake. No offense intended. And with that, let's get back on topic.

---------- Post added at 09:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:43 PM ----------

In other news, they're now censoring the lightest of curse words. WTF? I said the s word equivalent of crap.

---------- Post added at 09:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:45 PM ----------

In other news, they're now censoring the lightest of curse words. WTF? I said the s word equivalent of crap.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] biomech91:
You guys do realize there's a free version of the FKU app + a free xda-only version of his colour control app, which is most of the functionality of the paid version of FKU? What more do you want? The guy isn't forcing you to buy anything and isn't expecting you to. Most people buy the app to show appreciation for his work.

You're typing up essays for a really moot point. He fixed the bug in matter of hours, do you get that? Do you know how long I used to wait for fixes from devs back when I had an Incredible S (and that wasn't even that long ago)? Weeks, if we were lucky.

Yet you still find something to ***** about. No one is forcing you to use this kernel or his apps, so you're complaining for the sake of complaining.

(sorry for the off-topic post, I'm annoyed by ungrateful idiots like this)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] _artem_:
I just leave it here...

I even promote your app in pm. I get nothing of it, just recommend a good app to an adequate person
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] MikeRL100:
I personally have no complaints, but I was just ever so slightly worried about the level of support for the kernel. Anyhow the basic point is that the kernel is a gray area IMHO that is neither formally part of the job nor volunteer work. Actually I'm quite satisfied with the level of support. I'm worried a little about Franco's health. This thread has gone OT enough. We need to get back on topic. Let's give him a break. He's done enough. By the way I only partially agree with some of the above statements. Let's get back to how much ass this kernel kicks.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] _artem_:
I got so aggressive... because Franco hasn't tested the kernel before releasing... yesterday morning I read on g+ someone reported that deep sleep isn't working and Franco's comment was: of course deep sleep is there and is working (don't remember exact words). But then he tells that he owes us nothing and he just forgot to revert some experimental commits which broke deep sleep...

But his first reaction on g+ was that he did everything right and all the others are morons who just invent that deep sleep isn't working
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] :
There is no need for the phrase "ungrateful idiots", we may be idiots but we are not ungrateful. We all, are passionate about franco kernel. Only that you are speaking strictly from your subjective, very limited perspective, which is sad rather than annoying.

Google Nexus | Android 4.4.2
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] _artem_:
Free version voltage? Stop kidding me... Free app only lets you download the "free kernel" and has thousand buttons telling asking you to buy the paid app (just look at free fku screenshots on Google play... look at that new navigation drawer)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] franciscofranco:
I tested it and I saw deep sleep. The problem wasn't deep sleep per-se was the level of deep sleep that it was being reached. This was my post on the G+ thread:

"And you're all correct, I made a small mistake. Fixing as I'm posting, this. Thanks & sorry.﻿"

Good night everyone.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] franciscofranco:
There is only one button in the entire app that says that.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] biomech91:
The juxtaposition here is wonderful. Not ungrateful at all.

Keep complaining about a free app dude. Or, I don't know, just use another app? Nah, that's too much work.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Mercado_Negro:
That's Franco, you should know him by now :) He loves to ridiculize his users but also helps a lot and spend a lot of time answering, in a good mood, several questions. I had a lot of respect for Franco and even supported him several times, he deserves it because he does a great job coding but the more I read a large amount of his posts (it's worse on G+) the less I want to keep on reading.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] franciscofranco:
I don't ridiculize anyone, I try to make fun of lots of different situations otherwise I would go mad. No one has a slightest idea of the pms, emails, ridiculous posts and requests I get per day. If I don't play a little I go mad. Besides I'm the first to ridiculize myself when I frakk something up.

Answering the bold part, its ok, just stick to the good posts :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Luigiesin:
Ok guys.. This thread is starting to sound like a freaking sorority!! Just test the freaking kernel And give feedback please! That's the whole point here!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Mercado_Negro:
You do mate, maybe you don't see it like that but it surely feels like it (I've never got a bad response from you, btw).

Yeah, I try because you're a very smart person, you know your stuff from inside out, it's always great to read your posts where you describe what you've done to improve this or that, or simply how you fixed something but when you go into that "funny" mode it's really sad because I feel you're too smart for that :)

You're right, sorry for that :) Moving on...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] cgollner:
I think some people are really confused here.

The kernel is completely free. Some time ago "kernel apps" didn't even exist. People did use (free) kernels without any apps, and survived, and enjoyed it, and franco was already developing those kernels. He actually worked on them for about 2 years without even having any app and making almost no money out of it (Just some donations here and there). If you buy the app, you do it because you want, not because you need to.

Just because you paid for a cheap product once in your entire life(around 4$), which will be yours for the rest of your life, and which will be improved for a very long time, you don't get to have the right to "demand" anything! If you buy a coffee at Starbucks (around 4$), which you will only consume ONCE, you don't get to demand stuff from Starbucks for the rest of your life, just because you once bought a coffee.

Why the hell would you sell only one copy of your software? You get to earn the money of multiple copies, because you actually are capable of creating the product that others are NOT, and people like it, therefore they buy it. Also, you didn't create the product only once, you are always re-creating it and improving it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] axlrvx:
God... I've readed all the cries (I really don't know why)

Downloading! Thanks for all your work with the N4 [MENTION=3292224]franciscofranco[/MENTION] !

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] spicediablo:
Deep sleep is working again on r203. Thanks franco!

Sent from mako⁴
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] dapsANDpoundz:
About time someone bothered to confirm this. Thanks. Flashed and all is well. Furthermore, coming from r200 it's smooth as hell.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Reed-Sternberg:
What are you talking about?! I don't even rock Franco's kernel at the moment, but read all those posts!!! It was priceless :D everyone went nuts for a second. You folks made my night ;) cheers everyone :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] randras83:
+1

BTW great kernel, great app. Thanks Franco!

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] AJ06:
LOL I am glad I missed the cesspool of comments. I was on r202 and I didn't notice a thing.

Updated anyway. Thanks Franco.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] karthi89:
Cmon people flash r203 soon. I got 30000 in antutu ?. And battery backup is amazing. 7hrs sot with 15 hrs standby?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] concaopp:
What is your kernel setting?

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] perrocaliente:
His kernel setting is probably everything that makes it a smartphone turned off and airplane mode
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] karthi89:
Lol
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] perrocaliente:
Are we gonna get back suspend frequency and cores on touch? I kinda liked being able to change those because having suspend frequency at max is unnecessary and r203 never shuts off 3 cores so at idle it's always using 2 cores.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] franciscofranco:
I'll bring back suspend_frequency some time in the future, but not for the reasons you mentioned above because during suspend the cpu is idling, doesn't matter what freq it is using.

cores_on_touch its not coming back, I never really liked it and was only there if users wanted more cores to be online when touching the display. I don't really understand your "r203 never shuts off 3 cores so at idle it's always using 2 cores." 2 cores were always online since... mid 2013. During screen off they go all offline.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rzrv8:
...and here I am reading comics. Give the man a break guys he's not well. Food poisoning effs you up. Why make him feel bad? Anyway, sorry for OT. Great work, Franco. Loving r203. Oh, and to the people who say that why do you wanna charge for the app if you like coding..? Lemme just say one thing. Franco not only likes coding, he's good at it. And in the words of the Joker, "If you're good at something, never do it for free."
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] RealSlimShadyMC:
You're the man Franco, finally I can use your work and make sure it deep sleeps :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Mainak Roy:
Are you kidding me? 7hrs SOT?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hughfollett:
Thanks for your work Franco! Some people think that little mistakes are not allowed, but that's not the case. I feel sorry for what has been told to you and I hope you'll forget all these useless rants..

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] RealSlimShadyMC:
I suppose when you're the most known dev on XDA who makes one of the best kernels, people expect you to make no mistakes
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] :
People need to take a good night's sleep and chill out. There was a problem with r202 but it was fixed in under less than 24hrs. Even Microsoft doesn't fix bugs/vulnerabilities this fast, even if it affects millions of users. Good job Franco, thanks for the hard work.

on topic: flashed r203 coming from r200, will respond later with results.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] GruZone:
Finally some common sense in this thread!

Thank you franco for a great kernel and a great app!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mnajem:
people who complaint much usually never write a single line of code or at least involved in any open source project. so fail to understand the underlying philosophy