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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] gparmar76:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Yes while others have no stutter issues at all...I just flashed it new with the latest Cyanogen nightly and it works flawlessly.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mitchdickson:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Edit: double post tapatalk problems.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ÜBER™:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

No that was my opinion... And not my entire post... My feedback was underneath that.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] casonswag:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Oh im not using the app but i can tell that 111 is much more smoother than 115

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] noneabove:
I'm having 0 stutters :/ give me a solid place where you can 100% see stutters every time, i will record a video of me repeating it, and we'll see
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] steviewevie:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

No-one is trying to deny that you are seeting stutters, but please don't try to suggest that anyone who doesn't see exactly what you are seeing is somehow deluded.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] trident167:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

No issues here. Seems just as smooth as r111 to me.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ÜBER™:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

There's no definite way to describe where it happens. Its random. One place you could try is G+, scroll through it as if you were reading/skimming each post. Don't just fling through it... After stopping for a moment it hesitates and then scrolls... Very minor but noticeable and was not there on r111. As a matter of fact... Play with r115 for a while... Then flash back to r111 and play with it again.

I'm sorry my feedback is negative... But it is what it is. :\

Sent from my Nexus 4

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As I said my opinion... Doesn't necessarily mean its true but that is my thought. Do you have to agree? No and that's fine... But that is just my justification of as to how people aren't seeing what im seeing. It wasn't meant to insult people.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] steviewevie:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

He means clearing data from the FKU app. I didn't bother with that myself though.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

@ über: try flashing your rom (+gapps) + the kernel again?

Maybe some bad dalvik for an app or something. Flashing the rom will settle it all again.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] CarlosAbia:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

r111 is amazing, spent one hour on r115 and went back :D
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Arstoien:
I don't think the kernel behaviour can be affected by dalvik cache. Btw there used to be a menu button (three dots in franco's app some time ago). For a while now it's gone and it doesn't show as a button in the navigation bar. Is it just me or? I have set holding down the recent apps' button to bring me the menu, that's how I call it out
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] hospital349:
I'm not jumping on any bandwagons, but I also notice the difference. Your description might be general, but it's accurate. There really is no way to pinpoint as to where and when stuttering occurs, it just does.

Google Play Music UI: Scrolling and flinging and there's definite 'jumpiness'... not 100% smooth. Same goes for G+ UI and YouTube UI.

...but the strange thing is, there's no consistency behind what is happening. Sometimes it's smooth sailing and then all of a sudden, noticeable stuttering occurs.

I don't think anybody is lying and there are enough respectable users that have mentioned the same issues, so I'm certain there are issues present. That being said, this is Franco's first custom Hotplug release since the M1, there's gonna be room for improvement and that's why we're giving feedback. Right? :good:

I don't think anybody should be arguing over each individual experience. We're all here for the same reason. Testing with mutual hopes that we can help Franco make the best kernel possible. Your feedback isn't negative, you're just being honest. There's no point acting like nothings wrong, when something is definitely wrong. ;)

Something definitely isn't right. The difference is apparent. :cyclops:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] japmeet:
Okay I installed the Franco kernel milestone 1 and I must say that I've seen an amazing boost in battery performance! Earlier on Faux kernel my battery used to drop at 1% per minute or two with wifi and screen on but with this kernel I've been using my phone for about 5-6 minutes (maybe more) before I see a 1% drop (I'm using it at lowest brightness/no auto brightness)

I have underclocked my phone to go a max of 1.1 Ghz using Conservative governer (the same as on Faux)

I also undervolted it by -100mv i think and it's running pretty cool too. The recommended colors look great as well! The blacks are fantastic! Much similar to an AMOLED screen.

Let's see how it performs on a daily basis (although I'm looking forward to a really good experience from this kernel!)

Kudos to Franco!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] michael_ta315:
to people that does not have stutter or lag, try scrolling in your widget drawer. I tried it with my gf nexus 4 and mine, both running EOS ROM. My gf is r111 and mine is r115, noticeable stutter, but not significant. :)

just click on the menu where it says Franco Kernel Updater v8.9.3 or something like that :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] casonswag:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

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[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kpyhere:
Hello all,

Can somebody tell me if it is possible to modify the touchscreen sensitivity in Franco kernel ?

Thanks
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mitchdickson:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Yes. It's open source.

Sent from my iPad 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] BelzIgoh:
I'm running r115 kernel for more than 12 hours. Significant lag i noticed was when i unlock my nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] steviewevie:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Click where it says "Click here to open the menu", near the top under the app title ;)

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nnguyen:
im using r111 gonna try these settings. thanks!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] steviewevie:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

No stutter in my widget drawer. Of course, I am not trying to deny that it's not so good for you. As a previous poster said, all feedback should be useful, whether it's that it's all smooth or the opposite. But there's little point in trying to invalidate what someone else is seeing. We all have different setups (e.g. ROM/settings/apps) and use our phones in different ways.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kpyhere:
And how do i change the touchscreen sensitivity ?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mitchdickson:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Build from source with modified touch values.

Sent from my iPad 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] iammudd:
How I test for stutter is to "fling" a long (e.g. >100 items) scrollable list. I use the apps lists in Titanium Backup. A few seconds after the list is loaded, there really should be little to no caching/paging/swapping which would affect TB -- although potentially there are differences in roms. (I'm on 25MAR PA.). When you fling the list, the list should auto-scroll -- and gradually/smoothly slow to a stop. To me, a stutter is when the auto-scrolling pauses for a fraction of a second when the screen is NOT touched (especially immediately after the fling). (There is always some stutter, it's only a comparison between diff revs.)

I'm not a gamer so the stutter itself doesn't bother me. But the stutters seem to coincide with when cores come online/offline and I would guess that more stutters (when there is no user-perceptible change in CPU demand) = more re-queuing = higher battery drain.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] :
Hi,

For the touchscreen sensivity if you have the following path you can tweak the values:

I know that Francisco used my values in the r95 if I'm right (or in r1**, don't remember exactly), I don't know if the values are always these, if it's tweaking by init.d scripts... and I don't remember the stock values... :D

In the r** it was these values:

Check the paths first if they are existing.

:)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] MWBehr:
Would you mind sharing, in as much detail as possible, your setup? Rom, and modifications, any background apps (even if they're not particularly resource intensive), cpu binning, theme if any, anything else you could think of.

You seem to be the most vocal of those experiencing issues, and I'm only asking you specifically because I figured you would be the most likely to respond fairly quickly. It's perfectly possible that some simply notice the lag while others don't, as you mentioned. However, since that's basically impossible to investigate, I'd suggest we focus on the alternative possibility; that there is a fundamental difference between your setup and those that have no issue.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] :
Re,

Here the stock values if needed:

:)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] nachordez:
Just some hours on 115, but it seems that my phone is hotter and less battery efficient. Also some less smooth sometimes. I should try it a bit more, but probably I'm returning to 111 (which was excellent! I do also propose 111 for m2). And waiting for the next one, of course!
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Hans QC:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

I just experienced a very slow unlock with r115.

Envoyé depuis mon Nexus 4 avec Tapatalk
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Neomastermind:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

While I notice these small stutters, it's nothing significant for me. I can't still play Modern Combat 4 well enough. For people that don't notice it, try Google Music. Try flicking through the categories.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Testraindrop:
Hey guys, just wanted to share my color settings after several optimizations to my liking.

First, I wanted to have nice poppy colors without color banding and a difference between black and grey.

The recommended values gave me banding and grey was mostly black, so at least on my screen (rev11) with enhanced autobrightness these look nice and there is no banding:

RGB: 255 (to your liking, I have red a little lower)

Grays: 0

Mids: 87

Blacks: 119

Whites: 1

Contrast: 6

Brightness: 0

Saturation: 5

Btw. those are nowhere near 2.2 Gamma on my screen but I don't care...
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] drawde40599:
Actually "most" people buy a nexus because they know there will be the best dev's owning it and making all kinds of roms and mods for it. 100% my opinion but i wouldn't own this phone if i had to run stock, stock is missing all kinds of crap, **** it dont even have a restart option.

Franco tryed 115 agn, it feels weird, i wanna call it a lag/stumble/slow at times , its just not as clean feeling as 99%of your other builds
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] reginickneo:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Maybe I'm at the wrong place, but i would be glad if someone could answer it.

Why is that I don't recieve gmail or fb notifications when screen is off. I got them instantly when i switch on the screen.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] monkey hung:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

OK after being on r115 since last night, charging and recharging, using different apps and doing the same things I did with r111, the battery drains a little faster with screen on compared to r111.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] icepuente:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Haven't noticed any microstutters what so ever. Tried things such as Google+, Google music, and even tapatalk. On r111 I felt there were microstutters due to the high timer_rate and lowered on r111, but I haven't even lowered the default timer_rate for r115 and everything feels great.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] CaspaTheGhost:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

R115 has been running well since I flashed it but I have just had one of those major slowdowns after unlocking.

Enter lock screen pin, it unlocks but is unresponsive and I can't get notifications to come down, when it eventually does I then press recents and simply get a blank screen before the thumbnail images begin to load.

UI was then generally choppy for a number of minutes.

Apart from that one incident it seems pretty smooth, like now its working without any issues.

Battery life seems good so far, on 72% with 1.5hrs SOT.

Sent from my BAKED N4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ninjafan:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

There is no stability like stock, and on the nexus line IMO performance outside of bench marks seems very close to the same
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] drawde40599:
Sorta the right place, your question has been answered at least 300 times u will get so much more info with search button

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Ya its doing weird stuff like that, like random right? works then dosent?
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] ChaosChris:
AW: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Does any one has stability issues with r111 ? Currently on pacman rom and r111 and have 1-3 soft reboots per day but dont know if its the Rom or the kernel.

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 4 mit Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Vangelis13:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

^^ Fair play to you mate! Great write-up
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Neomastermind:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

OK, I'll have to amend my earlier assessment of r115. I was just hit by the super lag. Navigating the phone became a chore so I'm back to r111. I should add that this started after the phone had presumably awakened from deep sleep.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] drawde40599:
Ya not sure what setup u have, but franco 111 and Aokp make google look bad, real bad. Not even same league with stability and performance , thats not my opinion thats Fact

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Try reinstall your rom, U could try different kernel see if go away, or maybe its just time for full wipe or different rom . Never had a reboot with 111, its been more than perfect
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] tyraelasd:
well, let's go back to 111 I guess.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] icepuente:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Wow. Reading through the code for the new hotplug driver, it is very straightforward and simple. I believe that is a pretty good approach to take. Not a lot of overhead. Basic three tiered conditional. I'm sure with a little tweaking of the timer and the thresholds for each step, the lags that are being reported can be solved. Overall much better than mpdecision which seemed to randomly online/offline cores.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Roxxas049:
Because he said he only uses stock rom, why wouldn't we believe him? Besides stock is just THE rom, no overloaded BS. Most of the people who complain about lag and other detrimental behaviors are running some sort of modifed system whose "upgrades" cause the problem they are complaining about.

I'm on stock rom and I haven't seen any of the lag that is supposedly happening.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] CaspaTheGhost:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Yeah random, only had it happen once so not really sure why.

I do think we have a great future with Franco's new driver, just needs some feedback and tweaking like previous fun!

Sent from my BAKED N4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] drawde40599:
Agreed!! I Still like his last 2 builds before 4.2.2 best , found them to be fastest so far with same battery usage as now
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] gravitysandwich:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

So if your on stock you have no lag? Because I'm on pa (25th) and it lags so bad that I have to wait 5-10 seconds before the the touch screen responds after unlocking/waking the phone or when I'm go through my list of apps in settings. But after the lag it is smooth sailing.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] FaithCry:
this kernel... r111 is beastly. over the past 3 days, averaging 5:30 - 6 hours screen time. the 5:30 was when i decided to use data a little more than usual. but overall, really can't complain with speed/colour/battery life. most of my friends are in disbelief... as long with myself :P

thanks franco. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] drawde40599:
If not doing it with 111, and isn't a known issue with that rom then id say its not the rom, there are reports on just about every rom including stock of a "lag" with 115 .

but ya that's not normal :P
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Krunk83:
My phone was so bad with lag on r115 that it was unusable. 5 seconds to open apps, etc. flashing back to r111 fixed it.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] kioshi:
r111 kernel is truly badass...its the best kernel to run with 4.2.2 custom roms. Its invincible :cool:
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] AshtonTS:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Actually its more interactive

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] mkamal23:
So any tips for me to get your screen time? Bc im really impressed. I understand your on WIfi for the most part... but so am I, and I usually can only get a little above 4 hours of screen on time. Anything I need to adjust in franco.kernel app or anything? Any help would be great.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Lownita:
AW: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Please hold on to mp decision

Tapatalked from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] scream4cheese:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

I'm using the latest PA ROM with the r115 and i have not experienced any lag whatsoever. I'm happy hotplugging is back. I missed it. :)

BTW, deep sleep is fantastic on r115. :)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] FaithCry:
i dont do anything out of the ordinary or download any apps that 'save power' tbh. I just use my phone the way its supposed to be used, i'm very stingy about turning data on/off when wifi is on/off and that is really the only thing i do to save power; i use auto brightness, sync is on for all my apps... no secrets really. I turn off maps from following me, which may help?

i can't really say what i do that is different, i am using rasvanilla which is stock + bionic/krait optimzations so no super custom rom i suppose.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] Mercado_Negro:
r115 rock solid here on stock. I haven't noticed any lag or differences in performance compared to r111. As much as I dislike the stock system, simply because it lacks some basic features, I must admit it is the most reliable as far as I've noticed.

Thanks again, Franco, cheers.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jmudrick:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Also some lags on r115, back to r111.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] rxmxsh:
I'm on 3/30 CM10.1. Overnight drain was .7% per hour. Previously I was getting .9% per hour on r111. I have noticed microlag, but it's far and few between.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] alanwyl:
After some hours of usage, I still feel that r115 is laggy, especially when i am unlocking the phone, pulling down notification drawer, opening app drawer, and swiping through widgets in drawer of home screen.

It's useless to say laggy without reasons. There are micro lag, which is present in every build of Franco kernel. And there are major lags, even more noticeable in r115.

Micro lags are not as noticeable when mpdecision is used, nor in the stock kernel. So I took the stock approach to eliminate those lags. I tried to raise the minimum frequency step by step, the effect is noticeable when the min reaches 702.

Major lags are present whenever there is online/offline of cores. It is mentioned earlier by Franco that online core is expensive so it make sense. So I tried to raise the min freq higher to have less online offline cores. Then I reached 1512/1512. Yes it is stupid. But please read on.

I turns out the raw power could overcome such major lag. That means online cores is really that expensive or not efficient in the new driver.

The conclusion is that Franco still has a long way to go to improve the performance to online cores. The way to resort to raw power isn't something we normally want. But maybe as a test build, ramp the frequency to max before switching cores is a good idea for the time being.

TLDR, just raise the min frequency would reduce lag. For people saying that they don't have lag. Try flash the stock kernel and use it for a day or two, or go to an apple store to try on an iPhone, you will tell the difference. It's like 20fps on r115, 30fps in other Franco kernel, 60fps on stock. All could be considered smooth but one is smoother than the other. It is not that we have to be satisfied with what we have now, it is how much our hardware can do and to make full use of it. I hope Franco think the same way.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] persheshhater:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

And you are who? The only thing about your post is the fact that you took the time to write 500 words. Nevertheless quantity does not mean quality. I am not a fanboy of franco kernel cuz his work speaks itself but 1) the fact that your phone lags doesnt mean mine lags too. 2) telling users to go try the iphone makes no sense as well 3) what you call "microlag" i have never heard about it..."microwave" i know of;)
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] republicano:
have you done any underclocking?, I'm on nominal cpu and can do -100mv even though I haven't notice any savings,

change your governor setting, hispeed to something lower than 703, I have it at 416 and I don't notice any change,

other than that all on stock setting.

I just browse the net, to get over 6hours screen on, you should get over 3 hours with 50% and over 30mins with 10%, if I can get 33mins before it drops to 90% then I'm in the green.

don't use chrome too, dolphin and opera is fine.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] alanwyl:
I am who I am. And I don't think I need to be given the permission to say things about the kernel.

1) I agree my English isn't great.

2) I was telling users to try on something smooth. Did you see I mentioned stock kernel? iOS is stupid on a phone but it is smooth. Fact.

3) I refer "microlag" as "dropped frames for a few ms" and when I searched microlag in this thread, it returns some results. I assume people know what it is.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] persheshhater:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Dude it does not require any rocket science to know that the huge improvement in battery life that comes from custom kernels, of course will come at the expense of what you call SUPER smoothness. That is why users have the option to change the kernel setting however they like. Users like you that want SUPER smoothness can stick to max frequencies. Others can use default settings. And btw the iphone is not smoother than nexus 4 running this kernel. I got one at home so no need to go to apple store.
[Nexus 4 Original Android Development] jarjar124:
Re: [KERNEL][GPL][N4] franco.Kernel - r115 | M1

Amen to that! I had to..lol R115 has been great so far. Does have micro lags but i could deal with it. Battery wise has been great.