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[HTC Droid DNA] MunkinDrunky:
To all who post on how they use their phones and how use and opinion are justification to anyone else who uses their phones differently is wrong and diluted.

Sine the OP posed this question- Why are people upset over the sd card?

The answer is simple and if anyone thought two seconds and not just about what they do with their phones, then maybe some bad blood would boil away. There is a lot to say, far from opinion, about phone storage options and a lot of good advice too.

A good number of users like to carry around a substantial amount of music, are we to question why? Who here is that arrogant? 11-ish Gb may not be enough. To which some reply, use some streaming service. Valid. The retort often said, not everyone is lucky enough to have unlimited data. Not many do anymore. Well music streaming isn't all that data expensive...unless you have a shared plan with several people and not just your self. Then even streaming for a reasonable amount of time can add up. This can be mitigated with wifi and such. What about poor or no data connection? ... And on an on. We all do not have the same circumstances. No argument is right here.

Isn't it clear by now why people are upset? Its also true that not everyone even uses 11-ish gb of on board storage.

So people are upset because convenience options have been removed in a device they want. Those people could care less about how slow external memory is. They have reasons to want it and that should be good enough not to interrogate them.
[HTC Droid DNA] boodies:
Munkin, you don't have to answer them. A lot of these HTC fanboys are blind. If samsung pulled a move like this, I would never buy their phone until it's fixed. Because if I buy something, it basically means im supporting it. That is why I refuse to be a fanboy. Ill go wherever good tech is. Thats is why I bought the ip2 and ip3. Because those were the best tablets period when it came out. I dgaf if Apple made it. I don't understand why people support HTC for pulling this crap on them. 11 gigs will run out within a week or less. I just bought my 64gb class 10 Sandisk for 46 dollars shipped. You Jelly?
[HTC Droid DNA] wayne8821212:
If only they had at least 32 gigs on board instead of 16 (at least my rezound has a micro sd slot in which I placed a 32 gig micro sd card to go with its 16 gigs on board). Verizon says that they had nothing to do with this decision and that it is all on HTC. Here are 2 emails that HTC sent to me in response to my complaints

Dear Wayne Butscher,

Thank you for your response. We certainly appreciate your feedback regarding the design and memory capacity of the Droid DNA. We will document the information you provided as we always looking to improve our products.

Feel free to reply should you have any further questions, Wayne. If you feel more comfortable discussing issues by phone, you can contact Technical Support at 1-866-449-8358, 6 am to 1 am EST, 7 days a week.

If you would like to leave feedback regarding your experienced with HTC, you can click the feedback link below to close the ticket and access a brief survey.

Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.

To send a reply to this message, please click here.

Sincerely,

Dayton

HTC

And finally they said:

Dear Wayne Butscher,

Thank you for your response. We will certainly document your concerns but we do not have any information as to why current design decisions were made for a particular device.

We apologize for the inconvenience and noted your feedback. Feel free to contact us again if you have any other questions.

Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.

To send a reply to this message, please click here.

Sincerely,

Dayton

HTC

That is some strange @#$%^ in the second response!

If a 32 gig version comes out miraculously, I'm in if not......bye bye HTC
[HTC Droid DNA] 1Rus1Fantom:
I have 17gb music on sdcard, where i could store it? And dont talk about players like ipod, hate that things.

And i dont have 4g/Lte in my country, and coverage of 3g is poor, works normally only in city center
[HTC Droid DNA] n3xas:
I don't understand why isn't anyone mentioning movies. What is the point of having an out of this world display if you can't watch a movie on it. I know I don't need 4000 songs on my device, but 3 gb of songs + 2 gb of apps/games + 5 gb of videos/photos with the awesome camera + at least 1 gb of other stuff and.... thats it?? You mean I can't even watch a movie? that's absurd. 16 is not enough even on my Sensation... There is no point of having a great device if you can't really use it...

I really hope the euorpean variant will have expandable storage or at least 32 gb of memory... 16 is basically stone age.... After all we don't have those unlimited 4g plans here.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
I still don't get why people not on verizon come over here and complain about verizon exclusive devices. Why not get a world phone that better suits your needs?
[HTC Droid DNA] alchemist316:
Okay I understand the need to pack music on but 30+ gigs in an SD I've learned through many phones cams etc SDs and failure can happen and to me three times two different companies. With that I use Google play music if needed or something like it . I used to buy large sds just for the music fact than realized I have an iPod too lol but those who mind the pocket space want it all on one device if its such a big deal don't get it wait for something else or the UK variable . as for gaming on my phone I gave up on it . just my opinion SD space is not a deal breaker for me what is is ram the s3 with 1 gig was a pain I'm just happy this ones 95% the phone I've been waiting for .
[HTC Droid DNA] GermanGuy:
Bottom line: there is absolutely no excuse to only have 16 GB on board in storage. Trying to defend this is simply stupid and fanboyish. I am kind of upset because this is the phone I wanted but the lack of storage is holding me back.
[HTC Droid DNA] samxool:
Bottom line: there is absolutely no need to have more than 16 GB on board in storage. Trying to attack this is simply stupid and childish. You are kind of upset because this is the phone you wanted but the lack of storage is holding you back from filling it up with all your illegal pirated music and tv shows, and the fact you have some ridiculous sense of self-entitlement.

No one needs all that stuff on there all at once.

16GB is more than adequate.

End rant

End conversation

End thread!
[HTC Droid DNA] E$kimoen:
GB

Big Deal ! lol how many numbers u have on the phone and how many do you lissen to, and if you count up the total playing time on the numbers u got it. will outlive your phone. I bet

i have 2500 numbers on mine and that takes 3 gb Seriusly...
[HTC Droid DNA] bsweetness:
Ironically, ranting against people for having different opinions than yours and attempting to unequivocally state that "there is absolutely no need to have more than 16GB on board in storage" is also childish, along with condescending and uninformed. So I guess you two are in the same boat.

You don't see a need for any more storage. That's fine. Your opinion is valid. But it's not any more valid than those who either want or need more storage. And if anyone thinks their opinion on this is more valid than someone else's, then that person is the one with "some ridiculous sense of self-entitlement." What one person needs for this sort of thing can be drastically different than what another person needs. I still can't figure out why this is so difficult for some people to grasp. There are users who actually need more storage, and many users simply want more storage. They're not wrong for that, and likewise, no one is wrong for not wanting it.
[HTC Droid DNA] blestsol:
Beating the same horse again. But people are upset about the lack of sd card because they would like one.

OP, stop acting retarded.
[HTC Droid DNA] impala454:
Yes I believe it because it makes sense. If you were correct then why haven't they removed the SD card from all their devices?
[HTC Droid DNA] veli69:
Im shocked by some of these responses I am not a typical user but 16 is not enough for ME

1) 11G is not enough for 1080p content

2) I do not have cell coverage in NYC in alot of places (2 of my gyms have very spotty coverage, no coverage on subways etc). In fact I am quite often in areas that I cannot stream video reliably

3) You assume what you are streaming today will be the same as what you stream in 6 - 18 months. with Verizons new data plans being tied to streaming unnecessarily is not wise

4) I use my phone when I travel over seas out of cell phone coverage is not always available (I recently loaded offline maps for Paris,London, and Rome at 1G each)

5) I use my phone on plane flights

6) If you are flashing Roms and doing back ups youll eat through alot of space

On my phone I have

4G of music (some of it sucks)

1G of pod casts

2G of BACKUPS (nandroid?)

2G of APP back ups (not necessary to be fair)

2G Need for speed

2G Tom Tom offline maps

3G of pictures and vidoes (I could offload these but why?)

And the bottom line is 16G was dond purely to force user to stream and buy more data. There is NO other reason. Android is about flexibility.

I would say if you are certain 16G is enough you are not using your phone to its full capability

I am debating if I could live with 16G but I will say if this phone has 32 I would of ordered it already
[HTC Droid DNA] chakra:
Exactly, if it had 32+ I would have also purchased.
[HTC Droid DNA] BlackZenith:
Not including external storage is just a conspiracy between a manufacturer and service provider that simultaneously lowers the cost to make the device while increasing the usage of mobile services (i.e. data plans, Netflix, cloud storage). Everyone wins except the consumer.
[HTC Droid DNA] slowfncar:
Lol I have my 32gb sd full of movies,photos,music,games,roms,apps . If it didn't have an sd card slot,the only way I could get by is with a built in 64gb storage.
[HTC Droid DNA] slowfncar:
16 gb isn't enough. It's 2012 and our technology is moving so fast. I have 32 gb full of my own bluray rips just so I can use my phone as my media library with my media router/WiFi tv/Xbox360 ect. When I come over to a (friends house,work,theatre room I have 32gb of movies to watch in theater HD quality which really isn't that many titles followed by photos/roms/apps/music albums.

Maybe you don't need more then 16 gbs.

Our phones do pretty much the same damn thing as our computers. I don't even use my pc anymore and if I did I couldnt survive of off 16/32 gb of storage as I am already at 600gb+ out of 1tb.

64gb would be perfect for me. It is just enough to store movies on the go and provides me with headroom for more Rom downloads and more movie purchases. These devices are very multimedia capable and I plan to use it to its potential. Otherwise I would just buy an iPhone or something with low storage
[HTC Droid DNA] kenvil1:
Man im on my phone enough as it is! The last thing I need is another addiction lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I wouldn't be concerned about the limited storage if:

I didn't have Verizon attempting to steal my unlimited data at every turn. I like high quality music and wish to stream it as such. This is a MUST for such small storage. Google Play Music can and will eat data like no other because it can stream up to 320 kbps.

Games weren't getting so dang large. That eats storage like mad. Don't tell me its not a big deal because people don't buy a 1080p quad core device just to send SMS and email. I have NO music or videos stored on my 16GB Nexus 7. I have 3 GB of storage left from just installing games. As a point of reference, it has 13.4GB usable total. As I understand, the DNA is weighing in at 11 GB.
[HTC Droid DNA] chino0131:
One major reason for me....nandroid back ups. I personally keep at least two back ups on a regular basis directly on my phone. Those back ups average about 2+GB each. Add in apps, a few pictures/movies, etc. And Im getting a storage warning. I prefer not having to decide what to keep on my phone simply to make space for something else. If there's a Rom, mod tweak or kernel I want to flash and my storage is almost at its full capacity, I prefer not to have to delete one thing for another. Its all about personal preference. If your cool with the storage size, great. I wonder if/when Verizon will release a Droid DNA+ with more storage and larger battery like they've done with some of the other Droid branded phones.
[HTC Droid DNA] jerrykur:
I want more storage for movies. The DNA has a great screen. I would like to load 10 or so HD movies for flights to and from Asia or Australia (20 hours each way).

I prefer 16 GB + and SD card slot so I have the option to add additional memory without having to pay for it in the base phone.
[HTC Droid DNA] wayne8821212:
I got a call from an HTC representative on Wednesday who wanted to find out why I have given poor marks to my email interaction with customer support. He said that the reason that HTC and Verizon had decided to limit the storage to 16 gigs and not have a micro-sd card was proprietary (so could not be divulged). He asked me if I knew about dropbox or other storage options. I said yes but that I wanted my stuff on the phone and to not have to stream it to and from storage. I wonder if Verizon simply wants us to use more data (when not on wifi of course) to get our music, pics and video. BTW is there some sort of adaptor that we can use to (via the micro usb port) to access an external micro sd card?
[HTC Droid DNA] MohJee:
Trust me, micro sd cards are a big deal. Maybe not to you, but to a great number of people. The fact that they are a bit slower than internal memory is irrelevant; it's a matter of capacity, period. With 64gb micro sd card (which would set you back $50 only?), you can have all the apps, games you'll need + music + hundreds of pictures+ entire seasons of your favorite tv shows + movies + titanium backup + nandroid backup + all your documents etc... and you'll still have several GBs to spare .

Now, of course, one could argue that you can store most of these on your PC and then move them to your phone as needed, but trust me, it saves a lot of hassle to just have everything you want in your phone. With 11GB? That's nothing these days. A couple of a dozen of apps and a dozen of games and some videos and it's full.

This phone has an amazing display, the best in fact. If it's not meant for gaming, watching videos and other media consumption, then what was it meant for? Calls, SMS and email? Please, you can do that in a $70 phone.
[HTC Droid DNA] cdmoore74:
Actually I bought a 64gig micro sd yesterday morning for $38 shipped. That's 80gig of total storage on my Note 2. And lets not forget that the SD card will carry over to my next phone upgrade.
[HTC Droid DNA] 1Rus1Fantom:
Maybe because there is no worldwide version at this moment?
[HTC Droid DNA] boushidosan:
I've always used the subsonic app to stream my stockpile of music from my server setup with a free dyndns.org account. Actually, I don't think they are free anymore.

So whats left is now I need something to stream video.

Also can someone confirm that I can audio out via the usb port? My kenwood does this with iDevices, but I would like to be able to do it in my car when I get my DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] cowisland:
So what is the best way to stream music to the phone? I am coming from a TB so never had to deal with a lack of space before.

I know we can use Google Play. Is that the best option?

Clearly some people prefer to have more storage. I had 14 gigs of music on the TB. The amp on the DNA sounds great, I really don't want to downgrade from flac to mp3 :(.
[HTC Droid DNA] beberobu:
IMHO best way is to soldier a 32 GB micro SD card directly to wire of micro USB plug of phones, but inside the phone. You may lose the warranty in case you need, but maybe not lose if unsoldier carrefuly !
[HTC Droid DNA] orangefr2:
Tear down has been done:

droidforums[dot]net/forum/htc-droid-dna-general-discussion/230676-htc-dna-disassembly-teardown-done.html

sadly there is no SD slot or a spot on the pcb to solder one on. /cry

Found a solution to the sad lack of storage that fits my data usage profile. Its not nearly as ideal as having a micro-SD card but it works well and can share data with multiple devices at once.

64 GB wifi SSD:

kingston[dot]com/us/usb/wireless#wid
[HTC Droid DNA] Lens Pirate:
WOW just ordered one 64 gigs of Wireless storage to be shared with all my android devices at once. THIS rocks.

By the way the 32 gig version is on sale on Amazon right now for 44 dollars. I got one of those for my wife!!

Thanks for the heads up. External storage made sense with PC's makes even more sense with phones and tabs.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
Thanks for this. Amazon has the 64GB for $79.99 and 32GB for $44.99 which is about half as much as everywhere else. The 64GB is out of stock but their still accepting orders. I'm guessing it's a Black Friday/Cyber Monday limited time deal. It's great not only for expanding storage but for sharing content across devices. Even friends devices.

64GB: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00822GIH2/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

32GB: http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Wi-D...=1353888597&sr=8-1&keywords=kingston+wi-drive
[HTC Droid DNA] Hunt3r.j2:
It's simple. Keep ALL app data (games, etc.) on the internal storage, and keep a microSD to microUSB adapter to hold all your music, photos, videos, etc...
[HTC Droid DNA] c5satellite2:
USB OTG is the best workaround to this stupidity of no SD card. 21st century and no SD slot, WTF!
[HTC Droid DNA] leoingle:
I have been on here since the beginning of 2007, and this has got to be the most retarded post/question I have ever seen. I'm not even going to waste my time explaining your own ignorance to yourself.
[HTC Droid DNA] 1ManWolfePack:
First of all, you don't even get 16 GB. You get 11.

Second, it is not adequate. Maybe if you don't download any games or movies. Or apps. Or use your damn phone!

You're obviously new here. 16 GB is an absolute joke.

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Yeah! Real simple. I want to carry all that around with me. What, in my murse?

You guys are ridiculous. They blew it. I would own this phone today if it had an SD slot.
[HTC Droid DNA] ZigZagJoe:
It's a flagship phone, with a small amount of fixed storage, in these times when flash memory is cheaper than ever. An additional 50$ on the price and it could have had 64gb. Or they could have just taken a minor hit on the profit margin and put 32. 16gb is a sad joke. Oh, btw, built in storage is essentially just a SD card's electronics packaged in a single IC, nothing special about it. And, in my rezound, a class 10/uhs-1 SD card handily beats internal storage for throughput.

Google like to flog the cloud, but until mobile caps increase and home upload speeds become reasonable, it is a pipe dream for any large amount of media. Oh, and hd videos to take advantage of that screen? No way to stream them on cellular data, which means local storage only. Each is 3gb or more. Then you have apps, a subset of one's music collection, and some free space for temporary stuff like a movie or a game... It goes fast.

FWIW, all these arguments apply to the nexus 4 and nexus 7, though at least you can get the 7 with 32gb now.

Final straw: it would have cost them less than a dollar to put a sd card slot. SD slot, possibly a few passive components. That is all they had to do.
[HTC Droid DNA] another581:
Claiming expandable or a larger memory storage to be as a future-proof feature seems like a contradiction, and most of all, unnecessary.

The reason why the Nexus series have limited hardware storage capacities is because the hardware memory technology is on its way to being obsolete in the near future; Certainly Google grasped upon that forthcoming idealization and have done so accordingly. And it is not only evident as for smartphone developments; computers and other vastly large number of electronic products are also being designed without some sorts of disc or physical data storage components, but focusing more on wireless data technologies.

Hence...if having more memory capacity with the old physical storage technologies was the ideal "Future-proof" feature, then floppy disc, tapes, and other hard disc technologies wouldn't have become obsolete as of now.
[HTC Droid DNA] MohJee:
No offense, but that's complete bullcrap. Laptops and computers created now have significantly more physical storage built into them than those manufactured a year ago and two years ago. Floppy disks became obsolete because other vastly superior physical storage became mainstream, not because of cloud storage. To think physical storage will become obsolete because of cloud storage is laughable. Cloud storage is a compliment to physical storage, not a substitute.
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
+1.

Corners were cut to increase profit.
[HTC Droid DNA] Lens Pirate:
Yes I do not think Cloud storage is the only answer. I think the solution going forward is a hybrid.

1. Moderate on board storage

2. External device for deeper storage ( w-drive, usb)

3. Cloud storage for archive and long term storage

Even 64 gig on a phone is not enough, no matter what your phone will just hold a subset of your data.
[HTC Droid DNA] l7777:
This thread is amusing but can be summarized in a few points.

Of course because YOU don't need it, no one else does, what were people thinking being upset.

Great until you're over your data limit or outside data coverage.

Wonderful, we've gone back to the days of carrying a different device for each purpose. Then why get a smartphone at all?

So now my already large device has a tail. That'll never be a problem.

I realize the last two are the best options for people who need the extra storage but they can hardly be considered a replacement for microSD storage. Hopefully the OP realizes the foolishness of his question by now.
[HTC Droid DNA] ycatsce:
It's amazing that this has gone on for so many pages of the same thing. Some people need the space, some just really want the space, and some don't care either way.

The big thing for me is, why the heck would you remove functionality from a device even though you know (or at least should know) that you will be upsetting and turning away a lot of potential customers. The move towards cloud based is all fine and dandy but is completely counter to this new push towards limited data.

I'm really wondering what all was done to actually remove the sd card capability and what all needs to be done to get it back.
[HTC Droid DNA] bsweetness:
To most consumers, the move towards the cloud would seem to be counter to limited data plans. But to Verizon, it's exactly what they want. If customers have to stream and keep more things in the cloud, that means they'll have to use more data in order to have access to everything. This could push them towards either going over their allotment (and paying the required fees) or purchasing a larger allowance of data every month. Either way, it's more money for Verizon.
[HTC Droid DNA] samersh72:
cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
If the cloud was ready to replace storage, how come Google Play music caches music locally by default? ;)
[HTC Droid DNA] cowisland:
One good thing came out of this thread: I learned about that Kingston WiFi flash drive!
[HTC Droid DNA] afipanic:
:eek: What is this magic of what you speak!

Seriously, something like this, plus my unlimited data?

Can't wait till I have the $ to get mine!
[HTC Droid DNA] flaring afro:
Hardware memory technology is becoming obsolete? To what? Do you think that Google Drive just magically stores all of your things without hardware?

The DNA doesn't have much extra space for the apps that are getting bigger, which a lot of people would like. If the DNA had 64GB+ it wouldn't be a problem for most and the memory should be faster than a sd card, but this isn't the case.