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[Nexus 4 General] jaybeeunix:
Stock Android's mobile hot spot feature isn't carrier-gimped, so you don't need any funky hacks around carrier lockouts. I've not used any of the tether packages which rewrite the user agent, but there are some listed on the Play store. Though, I think it's easier to install the user agent switcher on the desktop and just use the stock mobile hot spot.

I don't think they auto charge you: I've never been auto charged, but I rarely tether and have only seen the upsell page once.
[Nexus 4 General] ketjr81:
You still need service on your previous plan to port your number. Can you switch your plan to pay as you go type deal? Just add like ten bucks credit, Instead of paying for a month?
[Nexus 4 General] zdrifter:
Thanks @derschlub ... will check your suggestions out!
[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
You've seen it with this phone's tethering? If they're doing this, it's new, I've never seen this and I've tested tethering on PCs, iPod Touch and a Nexus 7 without problem with the native Android tethering app on two different phones (this and a Samsung Exhibit II 4G).

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Is it known if you can just move around your number between accounts as you wish, or is there a limit? Can you port it back to the original account? Google is notorious for only letting you know about these kinds of limitations after you've already made the change (e.g. password changes, and forwarding phone numbers in GV also have some limitation IIRC, google account's "other usernames" unable to be deleted, youtube merging, and probably others).
[Nexus 4 General] edgeball:
Lots of pages, lots of answers

Can someone sum it up and might eit the OP?
[Nexus 4 General] derschlub:
The form says its non reversible but I have no idea how they enforce that in practice..
[Nexus 4 General] whohasaquestion:
Never heard of this. Can someone confirm this? Besides the porting request was made with 3 days of services left.

There is no pay as you go type of plan for VM...it's either a full month charge or nothing.
[Nexus 4 General] jaybeeunix:
I saw it with my Play store Galaxy Nexus on this plan. Though, like I said, I only saw it once.

There was chatter about it around the early part of summer, but I haven't looked to see if anyone is still complaining about it.
[Nexus 4 General] ketjr81:
This is from the T-mobile site, "Reminder: Please do NOT cancel your other wireless or landline account until the requested number has been activated on your new T-Mobile phone."

http://www.t-mobile.com/switch/default.aspx
[Nexus 4 General] Vanhoud:
You can just use browsers on a laptop the allow you to change the UA string. That way your laptop or desktop browser looks like a mobile browser to the carrier
[Nexus 4 General] ziddey:
I'm sure you've come across the same articles I have in your research-- Nerd Vittles and Michigan Telephone.

It seems the general consensus is that Google Voice support in Asterisk is garbage and to use a different solution.

http://michigantelephone.wordpress....ogle-voice-support-try-these-methods-instead/

http://nerdvittles.com/?p=791

So far, I've mainly just dabbled with the turnkey PIAF, and a little with Yate. But it's been a long time-- initially, it was research for a consolidated voip project I was working on, but I stalled out long ago. And as things stand, I'm looking to see if there's an easy way to switch the cell radio off / airplane mode on in JB without root, or the whole thing is out the window.
[Nexus 4 General] TheSopranos16:
I've been playing with all the different VoIP options discussed throughout this thread and at this point, I've concluded that there is no VoIP option that is good enough to justify the 15 dollar savings for TMobile's 100 minute plan VS Straight Talk's Unlimited. I've heard that Straight Talk can throttle users after 2GB whereas TMobile is Guaranteeing 5GB before throttle. I generally don't exceed 2GB but if anything, I'd consider another provider that doesn't throttle as quickly as Straight talk or just paying more money for a higher plan on TMobile. Everything I've tried for VoIP is clumsy and unreliable.
[Nexus 4 General] goncalorob:
Anybody have issues with bouncing between 3g and hspa with this plan?
[Nexus 4 General] derschlub:
Been reading the same articles, figured I'd give Asterisk 11 a whirl because it has a whole new method of doing XMPP and talking to GV through the chan_motif module.. once I figured out all the relevant network settings it seems to be working quite well, but the multiple gtalk logins irk me.. I was thinking of trying YATE because that's what that Simonics guy uses, but I'm not sure about investing the effort.. I want to make VoIP work but I'm not sure if it's there yet. Can't really get anything to work on EDGE, which might not be a problem but I haven't gotten a full idea of coverage in regards to places I frequent yet. Running into a lot of problems with enterprise wireless systems too (STUN not solving the one 1-way audio issue like it normally does). But my curiousity commits me to solving all these issues, so we'll see.

If only T-Mo had a plan in between the $30 5GB/100m and the other tiers..

EDIT: I think I'm gonna try the FreeSWITCH guide on my instance, if I can solve the logging into gtalk from multiple devices problem with it I'd be a lot happier with my solution.
[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
That's not true at all. Ward from Nerd Vittles is a big proponent of using GV with Asterisk. There are issues with Asterisk 10.0 and above, but there are none with 1.8. I've been using GV for outgoing calls at my business for 2 years now, and I can even send faxes over GV. PIAF, with a GV FreePBX module, works really well with remote extensions too. IMO, the ONLY way to call over T-Mobile's network is with the G.729 codec, but it takes a lot of work to set up a secure PIAF server with the G.729 codec, especially if you're not familiar with FreePBX, and Asterisk. I'm not the only person doing this, and it is reliable, to an extent. I'm almost finished with my guide, but it doesn't cover any security measures, which is why I'm hesitant to release it. There is currently enough information available to roll your own PIAF server, and in my situation, the $15 savings over ST is totally worth it.
[Nexus 4 General] acegolfer:
If you need more than 250 voice minutes, then st is the way to go.
[Nexus 4 General] derschlub:
Do you have calls working reliably over EDGE? I'm using G729 and I have trouble even connecting calls. HSPA+ is fine, of course. I also have trouble with multiple 802.11X authenticated wireless networks.. I'm gonna talk to some co-workers about that, though. Only other issue I have is CSipSimple randomly going yellow/inactive and not coming out of it without soft killing the app and cycling activate/deactivate.. I switched to the latest trunk and it seems to be better but I need to make this girlfriend-proof :)

EDIT: Maybe I should try a 1.8 installation, hmm. Can't find much saying that solves being able to be logged in to gchat at the same time.
[Nexus 4 General] ziddey:
EDGE just has too much latency and is completely unusable at speed in my experience.

I'm imagining it's not a problem with 802.1x but the firewall that'd be in place if such security is being employed? Have you tried alternate ports? TCP instead of UDP (UDP is a battery pig anyway..)
[Nexus 4 General] derschlub:
All TCP. I'm out of the office for a few days, but I was gonna sit down with our network guys to see if they could tell me what's happening.. I just thought it was 802.1x because my girlfriend is seeing it at her place of work as well and they've got a similiar setup.. but everything I've read says 1-way voice is a NAT issue (and I experienced it on other networks before discovering STUN) so I don't know why I thought that, but I'm no network engineer.
[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
For the most part, calling over EDGE in not ideal. However, you can force your phone into EDGE, and do some tests. I just placed a two minute call, and the other party told me to repeat something twice. I could hear her perfectly fine the entire time, but there were times she could not hear me.

There are only a few "dead spots" in my area, and if I'm around edge I use my T-Mobile minutes. I have my server set up to forward the call to my T-Mobile number if I reject the VoIP call. This works great when I know I'm going to be in a bad service area, and eliminates missed calls. To be honest, I rarely use my T-Mobile minutes.

I can test 802.11X when I'm at school, but I haven't tried it yet.

I don't have any issues with CSipSimple other than the occasional "404 not found" error, and this error only affects my Nexus 4. This has happened two times in the past week and a half.

Your inactive problem may be related to Asterisk 11. Asterisk 1.8 has been rock solid at my family's retail business, and at home (where my server is set up for remote extensions.) I have never had this issue. You can also give Bria a try, I've never used it, but Ward from Nerd Vittles seems to use it exclusively.

To be honest, I don't know if it can be girlfriend proof, but it can be VERY reliable. You may want to sign her up for Straight Talk. I had a conversation for more than 20 minutes today without any issues, and when I disconnected the call I was surprised to find out that I wasn't connected to WiFi, but I had 2-3 bars of 3g.

Also, what G.729 codec are you using? I've been reading that the codecs compiled with ICC can be better than those compiled with GCC4. You can compare the two by inputting "core show translations recalc 10" in the Asterisk command line, and then compare the timings -- lower is better. I'm using an older dual-core notebook processor that can only handle SSE2 extensions, and it seems to be working quite well. I haven't had the opportunity to compare the differences between the two builds, but I'm going to test tonight.

I would definitely try one of the PIAF purple builds that use Asterisk 1.8, and FreePBX 2.9. They're definitely the most stable. What are you doing in terms of security? Check your call logs frequently, because people have reported hack attempts. I haven't had any problems, but I consider myself to be very lucky.

I haven't been able to get TCP transport to work. My extensions won't register. The consensus over at the PIAF forums is: using TCP does not considerably conserve battery life. I haven't tried it...yet.
[Nexus 4 General] slopokdave:
I said something similar the other day..... However, I have found Skype to be very reliable. On wifi, calls are great. On all of the VOIP solutions I haven't been able to call w/o having to repeat myself or unable to use phone-menus when needing to navigate company directories. Skype has worked great for this and it's about $7 a month of you get a skype number; $3 without, for unlimited calling.
[Nexus 4 General] HTCMDA:
if my t-mobile phone number is 123-456-7890, and I call YOU from the vonage app. Your phone will see 123-456-7890 calling you.

if we both have the vonage app, and are in each other contact list. we can call each other vonage to vonage and talk all day for free.

the app is available for Iphone, android.

I'm not sure how you would receive calls via GV in conjunction with vonage.
[Nexus 4 General] derschlub:
I definitely need to figure out how to get Asterisk to forward to our T-Mo numbers, having a simple failover would go a long way.

I'll look at Bria.. I also think it may be a CSipSimple issue, because I saw it happen once or twice with my pbxes.org setup, but we'll see.

GF's actually been pretty good about learning how to use it, I just want to minimize problems. Oh well, the beauty of this is I can try a different service every month!

I compiled the g729 codecs from scratch w/IPP 7.1 like the website recommended, just had to get a free license from intel first.. the codec seems to perform very well, it's registration issues and GV incoming calling that gives me woes.. I will try the older Asterisk when I get some free time.

TCP transport working great here..

Thanks for tossing around ideas with me :)
[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
No problem. I'm a big fan of VoIP, and enjoy talking about it. I'm glad your GF is open to it. I love how easy it is to change carriers with GSM. It's a huge pain to flash phones to different CDMA MVNOs.

It's really easy to create a failover with FreePBX. I was thinking about it one day, and it hit me. You want to create a Ring Group that will ring all of your extensions. I set the ring time to 19 seconds, and the "Destination if no answer:" to another ring group that calls my T-Mobile number.

The second ring group looks like this:

Under "extension list" input your 10 digit T-Mobile number with the pound sign. If the pound sign is missing, it won't work. I set the ring time to 15 seconds, so people don't hang up before leaving a voicemail. If I can't answer my phone, or one of the other extensions, in 34 seconds, then the call is sent to voicemail, and an email is sent to my gmail address with the vmail recording.

It's quick, and dirty, but works well, and I haven't had any problems. I'm going to be covering this in my guide.
[Nexus 4 General] whahn1983:
Apologies if this was already addressed but is there an app or not root option to trick the native dialer sip to make a call over 3g?
[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
The native dialer can already place VoIP calls over 3g without root, but it's pretty much useless, unless you're using it with the G.711/ulaw codec on your LAN.
[Nexus 4 General] whahn1983:
When I put in my sip provider under the " internet calling" settings of the native dialer (instead of using something like sipdroid or csipsimple) it does not allow me to call over 3g, only receive.
[Nexus 4 General] jaybeeunix:
what works for me

Here's what works for me.

Google Voice: This is the number I give out.

The T-Mobile $30/5GB plan: Using the following methods, I'm able to limit my cellular voice usage to just a few minutes a month.

Callcentric's "Free Number" (it's actually $1.50/mo for E911): It's a random number in NY, but has free incoming calls. Since everyone calls into my GV number, no one ever sees the actual NY number. Typically, I make outgoing calls to via GV, but I've also configured the caller ID on this number to be the GV number. If I make a non-GV outgoing call on this line, it's $0.0198/min.

I have a SIP ATA at home connected to the Callcentric number. When I expect to make longer calls, I use it.

As I said, if I'm making a long call, I use the Callcentric number. At home, that's the SIP ATA, anywhere else with a good WIFI or HSPA connection, I use the Android native SIP client. Every other place, I just use T-Mobile minutes.

I also have tiers of fallbacks, so I always have a way of making/taking a call. I try to use the cheapest method (GV) first, then Callcentric, finally T-Mobile.

As far as codecs, I personally find G.729 to be horrible and unusable: It has way too many compression artifacts and the encoding delay is noticeable to me. I just use G.711u/a: It's quick, compatible, and sounds good. In situations where I don't have the network to support G.711u, I just use T-Mobile minutes.

Thus, I typically spend $30/mo on phone service ($28.50/mo T-Mobile via Callingmart refills and $1.50/mo for Callcentric). If there's some horrible problem with GV, I might spend up to $5/mo more on minutes from Callcentric.

For reference, I also previously had a data only plan on my phone from AT&T (too unreliable for voice) and an LTE plan from Verizon (too expensive for the same data rates I'm currently getting on T-Mobile: mid-to-high 20s (Mbps)).

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You have to tell it when to "use Internet calling": It's the option below "Accounts" in "Internet Call Settings". It seems like it defaults to "only for Internet calls".
[Nexus 4 General] itznfb:
Thanks for clearing that up.

It seems like the extra $15/mo with StraightTalk would be worth it just to avoid the hassle. Unless you really need that 5GB uncapped.
[Nexus 4 General] c0LdFire:
That's the general consensus of anyone who needs a lot of minutes, yeah. I may end up trying Straight Talk for a month here soon just to see AT&T's coverage in my area as opposed to T-Mobile's. I don't know, paying $15/mo more if you need the minutes shouldn't seem as bad as it does to people. Coming from $110/mo from Verizon last year just about anything will feel cheap.
[Nexus 4 General] TheSopranos16:
Is Straight Talk definitely the best alternative for more minutes? In terms of reliability and data cap? I looked over in the other Straight Talk thread and some users mention some type of proxy they put and that they cancel your service if you stream video...scary stuff.

Also, does any prepaid provider enable you to use BOTH AT&T and T-Mobile? T-Mobile is way faster and AT&T is more reliable where I live so its a hard choice...would be nice to mostly use T-Mobile but fall back on AT&T where coverage is weak...(my guess is this is a pipe dream but I figured I'd ask :)
[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
Bear in mind that if you're comparing Straight Talk with GV, you also have to consider what that extra $15 will get you on T-mo, which is 150 extra minutes. So, basically speaking, if you don't really talk more than 250 minutes, you're still all set with T-mo's $30 plan. Even if you occasionally do, it may be offset with the months you don't; everything after 100 minutes is pay-as-you-go. And of course, you still get unfettered 5GB HSPA.
[Nexus 4 General] jaybeeunix:
If you need little data (definitely less than 1GB/mo, probably less than 250MB/mo), there are a variety of GSM MVNOs in the US, primarily on AT&T's network.

In the 1GB-2GB/mo range with medium to high voice usage, the TracFone brands (Straight Talk, Net10, Simple Mobile) seem to be what people are happy with.

Greater than 2GB and you are either in the TracFone gray area or using T-Mobile Prepaid.

You might also consider T-Mobile's unsubsidized contract plans (Value plans). Though, they have an ETF. AT&T and T-Mobile's non-merger's UMTS roaming agreement will probably help there in the future.
[Nexus 4 General] ziddey:
FWIW you can decline E911 by claiming to be out of the country. No $1.50 fee that way. Depends how important E911 is to you though.

As for call forwarding / hunting, it would require outbound service. For free, you could setup an additional Google Voice trunk, although if you do it this way, forwarded calls will carry that GV number instead of the original number.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
I thought this thread was for people that already have this t mobile plan? There are other threads to discuss other plans.

Regarding this plan and how best to use it.. I understand there are ways to use WiFi calling etc but is there any free easy to use WiFi calling, data calling using my t mob number? The key words are FREE and my number.. the object is to not waste minutes..

Also, is there any free way to receive calls it Wi-Fi or data through my tmob number without using my minutes?

Thanks

sent via xda premium with Nexus 7 or Nexus 4!
[Nexus 4 General] ghostrid3r:
Talkatone app.
[Nexus 4 General] whahn1983:
I selected use for all calls. When I call over 3g it just pops up a window that's says "call" but doesn't place the call. Works fine on wifi and receives over 3g fine.
[Nexus 4 General] jaybeeunix:
Outgoing calls from your TMO number: Many VoIP providers will fake an outgoing caller ID.

Incoming: No. T-Mobile controls the route from the PSTN to your number. You need some proxy, like Google Voice, to have the number so it can be routed via a non-T-Mobile method. That's why most minute saving methods talk about porting your number to GV -- GV can ring both a VoIP phone and the TMO phone.

While it doesn't apply to this phone, T-Mobile's (IMS) WIFI calling charges you minutes for use.

If the number you give out is in Google Voice, then the Google Chat connectors (Groove IP, Talkatone, etc) are probably the easiest to setup since they connect directly to GV.

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T-Mobile NATs everyone, so maybe your VoIP provider needs some firewall traversal tool (ICE/STUN/&c)? I don't think the native SIP client supports any NAT traversal.
[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
G.729, and sometimes speex, is the only way you can call over T-Mobile's network. What software SIP phone are you using? G.729 sounds nearly identical to G.711u on my wired hardware phones at work, and sounds great on my Galaxy Nexus with CSipSimple. The sound fidelity of G.711u over G.729 is marginal. The problem with G.711u is that you need a VERY strong WiFi signal if you want to have a conversation without issues. With G.729, a conversation sounds fine with 2 bars of HSPA+ or a poor WiFi connection.
[Nexus 4 General] jaybeeunix:
I use G.711u over TMO's HSPA+ with the stock Android SIP client regularly -- Maybe I'm just in a lightly loaded part of their network or my calls are just short enough not to be annoying...

I've used G.729a with cSipSimple too. As I said, I personally find G.729a unusable, but I agree that most people probably wouldn't care, especially if they're getting it for free.

(My previous posts referred to G.729 when I actually meant G.729a.)
[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
Ah, makes sense. If G.711u works for you, that's great. In my experience, I've had problems with G.711u and hardware SIP phones that have a strong WiFi signal. G.729a is supposed to sound slightly worse than G.729. I've never personally used G.729a, but I'll take your word for it.
[Nexus 4 General] asdf916:
Not sure if this is the correct thread to post this, but:

what speeds are you guys getting?

i'm topping out at 12mbps with an average of ~7. i've tried 4 different cities in CA that supposedly have HSPA+42 (SF, SD, SJ, sacramento) and none has given me great speeds.
[Nexus 4 General] Pheno.menon:
Can we get insurance from tmo on a phone we bought from Google?

Transmission sent from my Galaxy Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] K Rich:
Got a few questions for you guys; near my house, T-Mobile coverage is great, but at work (which is about 35miles away) my coverage sucks. I'm assuming the answer to this is yes, but with bad coverage, would that prevent my phone from going into deep sleep? The last couple days at work since I've had my phone, I've only been getting about 65% deep sleep, and the next highest is 384mhz. What I'm trying today, to get better deep sleep and battery, is switching my phone to 2g only, and connecting to the WiFi at work for data. Does this sound like a good plan? :confused:
[Nexus 4 General] meats:
since you are now on a monthly pre-paid plan, why not port to Google Voice after your initial number port goes through. It's not like you will be breaking any contracts and have to pay an ETF. As long as you are patient, you should still be able to achieve your ideal setup.
[Nexus 4 General] Ranguvar:
Yes, or turn on Airplane Mode and just use WiFi if you can take calls over VoIP and messages over Google Voice.
[Nexus 4 General] Geburtenfresser:
HSDPA full signal strength but "no connection"

Hi there,

does anybody experience similar behavior:

I am indoors, have full signal strength, symbol switches sometimes from H down to 3G, Wifi off, still speed is extremely slow to the point where apps like speedtest say that there is no connection. Pages load only after several minutes.

Occurs on both my N4 and my girlfriends Galaxy Nexus, she is on the $50 monthly 4G and I am on the cheapy $30 5GB 100 minutes plan.

Miami area, if that matters.
[Nexus 4 General] wideasleep1:
Sounds like network upgrades to me.
[Nexus 4 General] sstang2006:
For those porting there number to Google Voice, remember that Google voice does not support MMS.

I forgot about that and I'll be porting my number again to my prepaid plan. :mad:
[Nexus 4 General] Geburtenfresser:
Hey, thanks for the answer. Why would network upgrades trigger this behavior and does it have something to do with the recent merger between T-Mo and MetroPCS?