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[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
I received my Nexus 4 a few hours ago, and I'm not impressed with the screen.

The Galaxy Nexus fits better in my hand. . The build quality of the Nexus 4 is rock solid, but it just doesn't conform to my hand like the Gnex does, and frankly, I prefer the plastic.

Also, WTF is the deal with audio latency. Caustic is reporting 86ms, really? 90% of my calls are over data, and I don't think 86ms is going to cut it. My Gnex reports 18ms with a low-latency patch, and SIP calls sound great. The audio latency on iDevices is under 10ms. I was reading that 4.2 has improved audio latency, but that does not seem to be the case. It seems to be worse than my Gnex, without the low-latency patch. Google needs to get it together

The lack of LTE, SD card, and small storage space mean absolutely nothing to me. I could not care less about those features, but the quality of the screen, IMO, is sub par, and is definitely a deal breaker.

I'm going to take a look at the Note 2, although, I doubt the audio latency will be any better. I might be sticking with my Gnex for a while, but I hate how the oleophobic coating is pretty much gone.

I really like how Google pushed for a low cost carrier agnostic device, but the screen just doesn't do it for me, and I do not like how they made it wider.

The OS is very smooth, and I haven't noticed the lag I would normally see with my Gnex. I feel that it's a worthy upgrade over the Gnex. Hopefully custom kernels can help with the screen, and audio latency.
[Nexus 4 General] AppReviewBros:
The more I read these kind of threads the more I doubt about getting the Nexus 4 myself.

I really want to upgrade my S2 but there aren't any other options except the Note 2, which in my opinion is too big for a phone, and HTC one x+, which is great although it has got only 1gb of RAM.
[Nexus 4 General] dieselfatal:
Hurry. Everyone buy note 2
[Nexus 4 General] thegregulator:
Too late.
[Nexus 4 General] wngmv:
Of course the SAMOLED looks better than LCD screen that n4 has. However it doesn't mean it's better.

Amoled's color are oversaturated to give you a more vibrant feel, but are not the true representation of what the color should be. LCD is better in this sense.

I have barely put down Note for an afternoon and I don't mud the color there.
[Nexus 4 General] Zealotki11er:
I have the N4 side by side with GNex. The only problem with N4 screen is Color Temperature. If I compare it to my Dell U2711 it has same color as it set to Cool mode. GNex resembles Vivid mode. Now apart from that N4 at first does not look like a big deal until you start using it. GNex has so many problems with it screen in different level of backlight. It looked to grainy. Also people should not forget that N4 probably need some more updates to operate as it should. If you have GS3 I would not change.
[Nexus 4 General] jdh10475:
Nice write up. That sucks it does not have decent battery life.
[Nexus 4 General] knuckles1978:
Haters!!!! The lot of you!!!! Or N2/GS3 fanboys, there cant possibly be anything bad to say about the n4! :D

Or so the OP says. I cant be bothered to read it again but wasn't the screen supposed to be A MILLIONS!!!! times better than any other screen?? That's funny, because it seems like there's an awful lot of people who disagree... ;)
[Nexus 4 General] blahblahyoutoo:
build != built
[Nexus 4 General] twayneo:
All i have to say is that my nexus 4 touchscreen doesnt seem sensitive enough and the camera still blows compared to SG3 or Iphone 5 but after the google update it did improve so im still hopeful that they will improve the camera. but for the money its a GREAT DEVICE.
[Nexus 4 General] ben_pyett:
Why limit your comment, unfortunately the majority of threads in the N4 forum, outside of development, are exactly the same. :(

With so many people with so much to say how comes the OFF TOPIC thread is like a grave yard?

Apology OP for off topic.

Sywepd form my DsereiS
[Nexus 4 General] Mr.Fahrenheit:
Whaaaat? You must be kidding...

The Nexus 4 is a great phone, no doubt, but it is not MILLIONS of times better. Dafaq kind of statement is that?

You know what's a MILLION times better? That phone iron man had in the first or second movie. Now THAT phone is a MILLION times better.

N4 has good hardware, even though the battery seems to suffer.

The screen could be better. Almost seems like they didn't bother calibrating it (it looks a bit washed out, and this has been mentioned).

Camera is whatever.

Speaker is also okay, nothing amazing, and you really shouldn't expect anything amazing from any speaker these days.

The glass is a nice touch, but will cause problems.

The one thing that is really great about this phone though is the fact that it's pure Google. The OS flies.

I like the phone, and I always wanted an unadulterated android experience, so this phone delivers in that area.

Otherwise, you just have to be really careful with this phone. I can bet that in the coming weeks/months we will see plenty of complaints about cracked glass.

Would I recommend it? Of course!

At $300 for the basic model—unlocked—this is a steal.

Bargain of the year.
[Nexus 4 General] powerwagon:
Already did, but boy do I enjoy reading this thread!

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Lol...reminds of the time a stereo shop was trying to sell me a set of speakers that I didn't like. "They may not sound as good as the ones you like, but trust me, they are better". Sure thing buddy!
[Nexus 4 General] dieselfatal:
Still not sure why Samsung fanboys come and post here ? Just amazes me. Its clearly hatred and jelaousy. Stay the fax away for rel and let us enjoy our device
[Nexus 4 General] adamhlj:
For what its worth, I was just testing out the headphone jack on my N4. I compared it to my N73G. The N73G was much louder when plugged into my car stereo. Kind of bummed about that.
[Nexus 4 General] knuckles1978:
Im amazed you're still able to read this thread on your dull, colourless screen. :D

Nexus 4 could well have been my next phone, but not after the amount of people saying the screen is rubbish. That's the biggest bad point there could be about a phone nearly. Something I just couldn't live with. I have yet to see it myself before I have completely made my mind up, but it's not looking good.
[Nexus 4 General] dieselfatal:
And Im just gonna lose sleep over you not getting N4...get real pal..its evident nobody here cares what you say and Im getting Private Messages from folks saying Dont Worry he's a tool....like I dont care what you say...if you were any smarter you wouldnt reply and write in my thread..are you obsessed with me or something..i would never post in your thread no matter what you said or even if you were wrong on something...why because Im a man brah...I dont creep on other men..so do me a favor just dont post in my thread anymore...I dont see one good reason why you continue to be a lamer and post here...there is 100+ people who like the device and minority mostly Samsung fanboys who are butt hurt over REALISTIC colors and miss cartoonish over saturated colors. Buy Note 2 or GS3 and problem solved. Now I know you will continue to post in my thread simply because your a pure HATER and because your jelaous and want to steer people away from an awesome device. Do us all a favor. Dont post here anymore. Thanks.
[Nexus 4 General] Zainiak:
Once we get custom kernals, battery will be epic.

Sent from my E4GT by using THE FORCE
[Nexus 4 General] knuckles1978:
:D
[Nexus 4 General] :
You must have failed in critical thinking, similar to people who judge based on the title, million times just means he thinks it much better is that so hard to understand. AMOLED is oversaturated and unrealistic, people tend to like punchy and saturated than true to life, makes things seem better than they are, I am a big fan of AMOLED but I can't hate on the OP cause its HIS opinion similar to any site that professionally reviews, opinions will never be free of bias hence why scientific measurements exist and going by Anandtech numbers its screen is impressive.

Don't see why some people who are happy with their current tech feel the need to discourage potential buyers yet their tastes are not shared, Note 2 and GS3 fans go away, there are threads in Q&A for people who would appreciate your input, please go there
[Nexus 4 General] MultiLockOn:
Jesus ****, calm your ****. You're the one who started this whole debacle. I'm trying to remain neutral but you're making it hard. He said the nexus is a great phone, he's mentioned it SEVERAL times. However because he makes one comment on how some of your writing comes off bias you jump on his **** about it? To be completely fair I agree with him, your writing does come off extremely bias towards the nexus 4. None of your opinions sure incorrect, it's just the way you phrased them in op. There's no reason why it shouldn't be a faster phone then the note, it's using 4 A15 cores as opposed to 4 a9, ruining pure android without touchwiz layered on top, and the screen is smaller with a higher pixel density. If you simply stated that "the screen seems sharper and the ui is snappier than the note 2" absolutely no one had a problem. But you didn't. You had to go out of your way to practically insult the note owners. And why shouldn't they be offended, they just but a 300 dollar phone and you're insulting it. You've provoked every problem and your childish responses continue to egg it on. Grow up and accept some criticism.

And for the record I really wanted the nexus 4 to be a great phone, I wanted it to smother everything else, and I already had my money laid aside for purchasing it. However I'm not terribly impressed and frankly I do believe the note is the superior phone at the moment. Don't hate me, I'm not bias, but I am looking at things realistically. Regardless both of them are the best two on the market and you'll be happy either way. Now everyone shut the **** up and move on.
[Nexus 4 General] knuckles1978:
That's still got to be quote of the thread. Genius. :D

dieselfatal has had a few good ones too though, the whole of his OP was quite amusing..And other things he said like this

lol :D

Or......

I bought my phone, cos I'm a man.lol

If you're a such a man, then why do you insist on acting like a child?
[Nexus 4 General] Brac20:
I really can't understand how anyone thinks the GNex screen is better than the N4.

My fiancee has a GNex and we put it next to a Nexus 4 in an O2 shop. The N4 is clearly better. Sure its not over saturated but I'd rather have realistic colours. The blacks are decent, not AMOLED good obviously.
[Nexus 4 General] knuckles1978:
I'd rather have realistic on a TV. On a phone I'd rather have bright, rich and beautiful, don't care for true to life accuracy. It's personal preference, but I think if you've used an AMOLED, or something similar (from another brand even lol) for a while, most other screens just look dull. Nearly forgot to mention the blackest of black. That makes a huge difference too, cant stand black with backlight any more.

Burn in after a year or 2 (more like 2+) does happen though, but the screens are so amazing that i dont care. Id just buy a replacement when it did happen. Burn in used to happen on large plasma TVs too, but not anymore. Likewise burn in will be manufactured out of AMOLED.

Its just such a shame that the nexus 4 doesn't have an AMOLED, and a removable battery. I keep a spare charged battery for my phone, its great when you're power gets low and you can just slam in the spare and be right back to fully charged. I don't get why a few manufacturers are now going for sealed units. Stupid idea. With those two additions im sure it probably would be up there with the best phones ever. But they've gone and spoiled it. :(
[Nexus 4 General] dieselfatal:
Still posting here I see ? Question is, what are you doing with GT-I9000
[Nexus 4 General] Saturn1217:
nexus 4 colors vs nexus 7?

Not sure if anyone has asked this already but how is the nexus 4 screen in terms of color saturation compared to the nexus 7.

I don't expect a non-AMOLED screen to have the same colors as the gnex but I find the colors of the nexus 7 very washed out and muted. It makes me a little concerned that there is someone at Google with a vastly different opinion on color calibration than the rest of the world. So to anyone who has both is the nexus 4 colors better, the same or worse than the nexus 7. I think that is a better comparison (in terms of screen tech) than nexus 4 vs gnex.

Thanks!
[Nexus 4 General] knuckles1978:
Well spotted Sherlock.

Ive actually got two of them. Legendary phones. Released around may of 2010, still running the latest jellybean as slick as any of the new phones I've used, and still got probably the biggest development scene of any android phone.

I do fancy a new toy to play with as well though, that's why i came to this thread in the first place, to help me decide on my next purchase. The screen is the killer for me though, and the non changeable battery. Shame, because i really wanted to love the nexus 4, would have bought one.

Whatever I get though, I'll be keeping both of my i9000's. If my next phone lasts half as long as they have I'll be happy.

Nice to see you've grown up a bit.
[Nexus 4 General] Jamal Ahmed:
Im surprised this thread isn't locked yet!
[Nexus 4 General] suriya83:
I also have the i9000 however that screen is really bad compared to my Nexus 7. Oversaturated colors, bad calibration. Resolution pixels of old amoled, worsen color quality after 2 years, and but worst of all black crush :(

So honestly the screen of the i9000 isn't that great.

However I didn't see the nexus 4 yet and probably there will be also differences in the single handsets.

There might be a reason why all reviews praise the new ips screens over amoled.

The great thing about the i9000 is the developer pawitp who makes this phone fly.
[Nexus 4 General] knuckles1978:
I like the oversaturated colours, said that before. I do agree that the resolution could do with being a little higher, remember, its nearly a 3 year old phone now. I didnt say it was completely flawless, if it were then I wouldnt be thinking about getting a new toy at all. But any phone that can last half as long as the i9000 is a great phone.

And maybe reviews praise the ips screen, I'll need to look for myself, but if you've read this thread you'll see that there's a lot of people who are very disappointed with the screen, to the point of returning their nexus 4 to the store.

And yes, pawitp, and many other great developers keep these phones flying. They do great work.

Edit: by the way, what the hell is black crush? Sounds like a kind of soft drink. :)
[Nexus 4 General] :
So you want to base a purchasing decision for YOUR phone on what some noobs tell you on these threads, most of them don't even know what their talking about. No matter how good something is there will always be haters, you can't make everyone happy. Do better research from as many avenues as possible, some guys are seriously OCD shaking their phones, claiming folder and icons have misaligned text by 0.0012mm and doing other strange sherlock crap investigating for issues. I have to admit these guys are creative and have too much time on their hands, I actually use my phones, I ain't gonna even bother confirming when I get mine. What the OP says is more or less right, his presentation pisses some off but reiterates a lot of what I've read, I'm sure if you buy an N4 you will not be disappointed, once this phone is in more peoples hands the development for it will be insane
[Nexus 4 General] knuckles1978:
No, absolutely not. Ive already said i want to see it for myself before i decide. Maybe some people are being too critical, but when you see many people saying the same thing it makes you think they must be speaking the truth, and when they're talking about one of the single biggest bad things that you can think of in a phone, you can't help but feel a little disappointed. I know that if the colours are a long way off AMOLEDs saturation, and the blacks not as black, I'm not going to be happy with it.

The note 2 is a silly size, the gs3 is as well, there is a new gs3 mini that i would buy if it had the same hardware as the big gs3 but it doesn't. I do want to like the n4....

I still want to see it for myself though. Like you said the n4s hardware has the potential to be the next long lasting development phone, like the now legendary i9000 ;) And I am going to buy a new toy soon.
[Nexus 4 General] dieselfatal:
I've actually been grown up but its you that came in here and insulted me first with the jizz comment. But anyways, this thread should remain open if people will behave and be mature and not get overly sensitive. I did list few things that I didnt like about the phone but I can also live without these features. No SD card, no LTE , no Removable Battery is not a big deal for me. And if your going to base your decision because some people coming from Amoled dont like IPS TrueHD screen then first play with the phone, have it in your hands before you make your final decision. AMOLED vs LCD/IPS is purely based on preference. LCD/IPS colors look more realistic and life-like. Amoled colors are more vibrant. Thats that. But if you ask me whats better Id say go with more realistic feel with better resolution. Honest to god I have a wallpaper that is showing incredible black colors. No idea why people say colors are faded and washed up because I can PROMISE you and SWEAR TO GOOD GOD that my device doesn't have any rattling noice, doesnt get hot, doesnt have pixel damage, doesnt have any yellow tints or anything. Maybe Im lucky but seems like some N4 are clearly defective as with any new hot product that gets released. Remember xbox 360 release date...or PS3 ..etc...I will not bash Google but when I received my GNex from them I had several problems. LED notification light was damaged from inside and bunch of other things. I would say maybe its better to buy N4 from T-Mobile store. Every T-Mobile store in my area had 20 or more in stock. And online was sold out. Makes me think maybe T-Mobile piled up the stock early and then Google had its seperate batch for online sale. But I can tell you my N4 is flawless. SGS3 and Note 2 both great phones but every now and then I would get a force close or some lag or just some tiny problems that annoyed me while N4 so far has been nothing but smooth device.
[Nexus 4 General] noneabove:
Okay this needs to calm down.. if someone comes in here and gives their opinion that amoled is better, it doesn't mean that they're a Samsung fanboy or blind to facts, it means that they personally prefer it for certain reasons. Each the LCD and the AMOLED technologies have their features and faults.

And the point of threads is to have discussions, it isn't derailing the thread if they bring up additional points to discuss.

No one is unbiased here because everyone has an opinion, that's not wrong, but its the truth, some people think amoled is vastly superior and for some things it is, and others prefer LCD and for some things, LCD is superior, so here is a place to discuss the pros and cons of the phone and compare it to other phones, so let people do that
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
It just boils down to personal preference.

sent via xda premium with nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] Billy Madison:
Yeah, according to http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review/6 HOX is 5% brighter. Glad that you posses such extremely accurate and sensory eyes but most pipl hasn't and wouldn't care less if one screen got only 5% less bright white than another

And you know what? I'm waiting for http://www.displaymate.com/mobile.html to give me perfect numbers concerning HOX, iphone5 & N4 displays, not some BIASED and subjective opinion of some internet d0rk.

And you better know that LG produce unrivaled & unbeaten screens. It's well known outside of Samsung's territory

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And again you fault. iphone5's screen's "great contrast" is merely 1234 accord. to anand, while N4's higher and as high as 1352. "very vibrant colors with wide gamut (the colors are punchy but not overly saturated)" - we yet to see accurate numbers from displaymate.com to judge things. Maybe your eyes fault you again
[Nexus 4 General] Billy Madison:
If AMOLEDs were such above all & all, all iphones would had them from day one. But S.Jobs stepped aside that subpar and cheap technology. AMOLEDs are not color-accurate, dull and washed out under direct sunlight. And blacks.... Good color filters like in iphones, HOX and N4 make blacks good and contrasts enough black for everybody

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It's bcause they're real. I prefer real colors on my monitors, TVs and smartphones. I want sun to look yellow and not orange or carrotish, I want snow in photos not to be greenish or grey-blueish but white, I want people's faces not brick-colored like rednecks' but true human-skin like

If u like toyish acid colors maybe you'd better attend kindergarten and watch cartoonish Donald Ducks& Tom&Jerrys all day?
[Nexus 4 General] vodred:
OK I thought before buying this phone that it would be the one once and for all,but the battery life the overheat and throttle makes the experience horrible, I put in mind things as Linaro toolchain or optimized ROMs and kernels but nothing did the exception for me,I guess it's like solving DA Vinci code to fix this mess as Google seems to still have baby issues at it's phones still after so many Years,I wonder do they even test them properly before they sell them or they expect us do it?
[Nexus 4 General] bnitty:
I'm loving this phone. my battery last me all day with NO wifi use, doesn't overheat, have over over 75 apps, hundreds of songs, movies, etc & still have 9.2g of memory. best phone I've had.... how do I know? bkuz I've had it for a month & haven't needed to root it. stock everything & have had zero problems... well 1, not being able to put it down lol :beer::beer:
[Nexus 4 General] paulswift36:
Couldn't disagree more about the battery life comments. I've got an S3 and an N4, same CM10.1 roms on both, same apps and using them week at a time, the N4 is the best smartphone for battery life so far. I get 3 days use and 2 when I'm using it heavily. And that's the same for my wife's and the 4 other people I work with who have them, everyone raves about the N4 battery. My S3 needs to be charged every single day, no matter what. There is no comparison. Battery is excellent
[Nexus 4 General] sidkan:
would you rate this phone better than sony Xperia ZR??
[Nexus 4 General] toanau:
This phone is perfect except for the battery. I am

Lucky that I am near an outlet all day. Also don't believe people telling u that they get 3+ hours of screen time. I tried every ROM and kernel out there. I also reduced the screen power and under volting.
[Nexus 4 General] GriffenD:
I get 3+ hours screen on time all the time with plenty of battery to spare. Typically when the battery dies that fast its user error or you're in a bad signal area and your phone is constantly searching for signal.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] toanau:
I got full service.
[Nexus 4 General] GriffenD:
Ever try greenify? Its in the playstore and helps keep apps from going rogue and causing wakelocks (maps for example). This has been extremely helpful and I recommend it. Be sure not to include any streaming or instant messaging apps to it. I've had mixed results from doing that.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] tnw513:
Wifi or H+?

Game or not?
[Nexus 4 General] toanau:
I am on most H+ and hardly played any game. Most of time i always empty out my memory.