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[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
If you haven't disabled T-mo's voicemail, then when you decline the call with the native dialer it will immediately go to that VM. If I'm not mistaken [MENTION=2552125]dascjb[/MENTION] probably has it disabled, hence that behavior. All in all, if you're not using your T-mo number at all I don't see why not disable it (you need to call customer service). So, it' going to be the same with this Phone for Google Voice app or any other (I just tried, too).

There is an app from the same devs of Groove IP called Groove Forwarder, it's a dollar, and it manages GV forwarding automatically, so you can set rules, for example whenever GIP is connected, to forward to GTalk, and whenever it's not forward to T-mo. There are also rules for different WiFi networks. Some people complain that this should have been in the GIP app itself, but I think the extra features justify its standalone price. You could use it with other apps, for example to forward to GTalk only on WiFi and not on mobile data. Of course you need a continuous internet connection so Groove Forwarder works all the time, but for most that's not a problem.

The only other option that does exactly this is Talkatone, but that will cost you their $20/year subscription. They charge a subscription because they route audio through their servers, so Talkatone can use better compression in the phone. With "dynamic forwarding" enabled, you can also forward calls to GTalk depending on if Talkatone is connected. The difference with this is that even if you don't have internet connection, Talkatone's servers will change your forwarding settings to forward to phone if you haven't been connected in a while.

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Re: Phone for GV app, I didn't find the quality any different than all the others. How are you guys testing, and what do you mean by "quality"? Echo, maybe?

I even got the same delay I get with all others, once you start getting it, it's cumulative so it only gets longer, but you don't get it always. Other apps like Skype correct it by just dropping audio. All these GV/GTalk apps are bound to have very similar quality unless they do their own codec compression like Talkatone, or somehow they manage to have some amazing echo cancellation feature. FWIW, just turning down the volume a bit with Groove IP is the best and easiest way for me to get rid of echo, even in quiet rooms. In loud environments it won't be a problem since whatever's coming out of the phone is drowned out by the noise.
[Nexus 4 General] jdubau55:
Got my Nexus 4 today. Just so happened I had brought the SIM kit today too. I bought several SIM kits from T-Mob a while back when they were free or 99 cents. I powered on the phone and made sure the # matched what was on the box. It was quick and easy on the website. Not sure why people have trouble getting this plan.

Now for questions: I did a speed test about 2 hours after I got hooked up. It was terrible. It shows an H next to my signal bars which I assume means HSPA+? Yet I was getting like 300 kbps. Do I need to update radios or are there APN tweaks?
[Nexus 4 General] Zainiak:
H is HSPA, not HSPA+. that would show an H+. And yes, there is an apn. not sure where to find it though. I use the Tmo LTE ipv6 apn in cm10.2
[Nexus 4 General] Fire Ball:
H is for both HSPA and HSPA+ on the stock ROM.

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What is you current APN?

Does your area have T-Mobile LTE? If so you can flash a hybrid radio to enable LTE.
[Nexus 4 General] Zainiak:
oh, my bad. only spent a few days on stock rom.
[Nexus 4 General] jdubau55:
epc.tmobile.com ??? APN type default,supl,mms

I don't think we have LTE. Kinda new to this GSM phone thing. Still with VZW, but trying this plan out to see if it meet performance vs cost
[Nexus 4 General] Fire Ball:
That APN should work fine. You could also try fast.t-mobile.com

You can look on sensory.com to see if anyone has mapped LTE in your area. Alternatively there is an older T-Mobile coverage map (not the new magenta/pink one) that will say whatever data type there is when you zoom in far enough and click on a specific point.
[Nexus 4 General] jdubau55:
Is that all I have to do is change the APN name? Will that effect MMS? I'm sure this has been gone over like a thousand times in this thread.
[Nexus 4 General] Fire Ball:
Just change the field that says APN, right under name, once you are on the page to edit it. I never use MMS so idk. This is just the APN that you need for LTE and it also works on HSPA+. You can change IPv4 to IPv4/IPv6 if you want too.
[Nexus 4 General] Kingyooper:
My Nexus 4 shows 3g and H above the bars. No LTE here. Constantly switches back and forth with few bars BUT my speeds are usually 5000-6000kbps. High of 9000.

Don't really get it.
[Nexus 4 General] whitedragonz83:
To get LTE you have to A) hack B) be in an area with LTE for T-Mobile.

You will drop to 3G in HSPA areas whenever your connection doesn't need the higher speed. So lots of ping pong above the signal.
[Nexus 4 General] Kingyooper:
That explains the ping ponging. I am swapping a straight talk at&t Sim back and forth and it stays with hpsa+ almost all the time. Better signal but half the down speed all the time
[Nexus 4 General] paperWastage:
according to http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1287408, AT&T is faking/forcing H+ even though it's not really H+ all the time

testing t-mobile service right now (btw, the online store offers a free $10 refill card with the $10 activation kit... should have ordered this week instead of last week)
[Nexus 4 General] kingwaffle:
This was my experience as well. I bought a ST simcard and used it for a month. It expired yesterday, and I put my TMo card in.

The additional HSPA coverage wasn't worth the extra $15/mo.

I also noticed some strange issues where the connection would "sleep" and my bars would turn grey (indicating the phone lost connectivity with Google)...almost like it turned off data connectivity every so often. I never experienced this with TMo, only on StraightTalk's ATT card.
[Nexus 4 General] jdubau55:
Looks like my area is considered 3G. The closest 4G looks to be a small city about 45 minutes away from me. It showed both 4G (HSPA+) and 4G LTE in that area depending where I clicked. I guess they are still rolling out their HSPA+ and LTE networks.

Edit: I was in and area of my building and saw H+ pop up for just a second. I don't know if it was a fluke, but it went to H rather quickly.
[Nexus 4 General] jdubau55:
Flashed the hybrid radio and changed to the fast APN. Phone is showing H+ but there is no way its HSPA+. Speedtest.net app showed down was about 350 kbps down and 800 kbps up. That is just horribly slow.
[Nexus 4 General] ryuker:
Anybody else lose call forwarding recently with Google voice numbers?

I noticed my number no longer forwards to my mobile number nor actually reaches my private PBX....it's like the calls are lost or blocked....
[Nexus 4 General] Fire Ball:
Maybe there is something wrong with the cell site you're connected to or maybe it's just really congested.
[Nexus 4 General] Fazeh:
For those who want to hop on the $30 plan, SIM cards are on sale again on t-mobile prepaid. Use promo code SIMDEAL for $.99 sim cards. Try a different size if it doesn't work (stock issue).
[Nexus 4 General] fredmanwalking:
Thanks, I just picked up a back-up SIM for my wife's phone. I didn't even have to enter the promo code. It was 99 cents, apparently under a web-only discount. It's too bad that the SIM and $10 refill for $10 deal they were running isn't still going as well :p, but then they'd just be losing money.
[Nexus 4 General] testrider:
How do I transfer from one SIM to another? (normal SIM to microSIM or vice verse?)
[Nexus 4 General] fredmanwalking:
If you have an actual T-Mobile store around, a nice employee may give you a new SIM for free. Otherwise, you need to buy a new one, which can be done online with free shipping. See the couple above posts. You can get one for 99 cents right now.
[Nexus 4 General] testrider:
If I get a new one, how do I transfer the old SIM to new one so I can keep my number and everything?

thanks again.
[Nexus 4 General] AtrixShan:
For prepaid, you probably need to visit the T-Mobile store. They should take care of you. I didn't find an option on T-Mobile's website for prepaid.

If you need to go from bigger sim to a smaller, just cut it. That's what I did when I got my N4.
[Nexus 4 General] baldbear:
Just cut done your old SIM (if you are already on T-Mobile (that's what I did)
[Nexus 4 General] wideasleep1:
Simply install and activate a new sim. During activation refer to your old existing number and nothing will change except the new sim.
[Nexus 4 General] testrider:
Thank you all,

I just ordered 2 microSIM for $2.16 including tax :)

Yes, I'm already on T-mobile prepaid $30 plan. I'm using a Galaxy S2 that

I'm planning of getting a Note 3 soon. The S2 uses a normal SIM

while the Note 2/3 uses a microSIM (I believe).

So I think I'm going to order a cutter next...

mike

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Thanks! This sounds easier than cutting my SIM :)

I already ordered another microSIM from t-mobile.

So I just activate the microSIM then enter my existing phone number and that will be it?

-mike-
[Nexus 4 General] ferrocene:
Just last night I took my att Sim out of the galaxy s2 and cut it down and stuck it in the N4. Just takes a pair of sharp scissors.
[Nexus 4 General] wideasleep1:
Yep...both my phones done this way..easier than Sim cutting even with a cutter..just press in your existing phone number.
[Nexus 4 General] testrider:
And all the existing balance and current plan will be transferred automatically to the new sim?
[Nexus 4 General] wideasleep1:
I changed plans myself from OOC postpaid to this $30/no 100 minute.. But IIRC it asked about number first and then prompted me to keep old plan or choose new..bit this is from memory several months old. Any issues just call CSR and they'll sort you out.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
I've been using this plan for 9 months Now..been thinking about switching to the $70 unlimited everything..what's the difference between prepaid $70 and postpaid $70 if I pay full price on a phone or if I use my nexus 4..I know postpaid has WiFi calling

sent from 9 month old nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
So does the $30 plan. The difference is wifi calling uses your minutes on the $30 plan and on the $70 plan you have unlimited minutes and unlimited data with no throttling. That's it. Not worth more than double the cost IMO.

Sent from my SGH-I337
[Nexus 4 General] ronakg:
With postpaid you get better coverage, both at home and while roaming. Their prepaid and postpaid coverage maps are different. Also, on postpaid you can get coverage even if t-mobile doesn't have any service there as they tie up with other carriers. That's not the case with prepaid.
[Nexus 4 General] n2d551:
Since when did the n4 have wifi calling. I mean you can create your own buthttp://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=34601450
[Nexus 4 General] keisukehonda:
Two questions:

Does anyone know if T-Mobile still offers the $30 plan to new customers?

Has there been any mention of what type of SIM the Nexus 5 will use?
[Nexus 4 General] n2d551:
Yes the $30 plan is for new activations. By this I mean you could have this plan, leave and come back, pop in a new sim and activation code and be a new customer all over again
[Nexus 4 General] overtheair:
T-Mobile's WiFi calling on the $30 100min / 5GB 4G plan is not available with the Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
I never noticed this thread was in the Nexus 4 section (I post via Tapatalk mainly and found it through Google). It's available, but like you said, not on the Nexus 4. I'm using an S4 and Note 2. I thought this was a general thread on this plan.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
If i were to put $120 on my account (4 months worth) and i were to use up 100min for that month will it automatically deduct money for minutes or will it wait until the next month bill?..instead of putting $30 on there everytime
[Nexus 4 General] wideasleep1:
Yes. $120 puts you in GOLD status and those minutes are good for a year. If you just put $80 and you didn't use up the minutes, you'd lose the excess! Read the fine print.

Edit here:

http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
just read it..and this works on the $30 plan?,

so $100-$120 gets me a year worth of bill payed with 1000+ minutes, with 5gb monthly still?
[Nexus 4 General] wideasleep1:
Affirm...your renewal date will simply draw from your existing balance. This effectively puts prepay on equal footing as credit card autopay.

Edit: The 1000 minutes is sketchy... since in essence you are applying $30/mo towards the Monthly4G with 100 minutes included so you would exhaust the $120 balance in 4 months or less if you used extra minutes...capeesh?
[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
"Gold" status is only valid for pay-as-you-go plans. You just buy minutes or texts. In the other guy's case, $120 will only last at max 120 days cause $30 will be deducted every 30 days.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
i just read about that too...i just want to pay a certain amount instead of just $30,.i just started using groove ip/google voice, now that i know i can call using wifi with my other number, this plan should last me until i can afford a regular plan on tmobile,.and has anybody called with groove ip using 2g incase 5gb runs out?
[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
With this plan you pay at least $30 for 30 days. If you go over your 100 minutes you get charged $0.10 per minute until the next cycle, from whatever money you have left on your account. The pay-as-you-go plans are something completely different, I had one when I was using a dumbphone years ago. There is no internet (I think it's extra maybe), and you just buy minutes, whose price varies depending on how much you spend at the time of purchase.

I don't think Groove IP will work well in 2g. I don't even use it in 3g. The connection has to be very robust cause GTalk is not optimized for this kind of usage. You'll probably get horrible delays. One option if you want to use GTalk is Talkatone, which compresses the audio before sending it out, but for this it has to be routed through their servers.
[Nexus 4 General] sashusmom:
You can switch your $30 4g monthly plan to PAYG to keep your balance of >$100 and gold status if you want. I would call customer service to do this to make sure the gold status is added to your account and make sure you have at least $100 in your balance.

Once you change to PAYG there is no switching back. If you want to switch back you need to get a new activation kit, call csr, and get the balance and number ported over to the new sim. It's a hastle cause not all csr's will do it. But it can be done with perseverance.

For those times 2g is not strong enough, just use your minutes. Wifi calling also works, but will use your minutes.

Also, once on PAYG, there is no data included. You would have to do data by the day if they still have those plans- $2 or $3/day for data.
[Nexus 4 General] Riverdales27:
I've been using this for the past few months. I was thinking of leaving at&t next month which I've been with for 16 years. For certain places and this town I go to a few times a week has full bars hspa, but hspa is so slow it doesn't work. It goes at 20 kbps. I have to go to edge only to go online. I contacted Tmobile said they'll reimburse when it's fixed but I doubt it. Googling around, others have the same issue that's not in my state.

I guess this will be my last month of using this.
[Nexus 4 General] wideasleep1:
True and false. I had gold status on a PAYG account and converted to this plan. Transfered over $126 worth of Gold status upon starting and I got all of my value back...IOW no money 'lost'. Sure the 4G plan eats $30/more so the 1000+ 'minutes' were gone, displaced with data on 4G. Contrast this with a bud who added an extra $50 to his balance AND set up monthly auto pay on his CC. After 3 months that buffer disappeared.... lost...because his account never had GOLD status... it only lasted the 3 months despite his account getting refreshed via CC. Once the account has Gold...whatever balance you have is yours for the year or whenever exhausted by additional minutes or payment towards a 4G plan. Had he complained to TMO he could have gotten the amount back..but he didn't think it was worth the hassle. :banghead:

With Gold status..extra balance carried over has the extra expiration..that was my point.
[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
I've only once gotten over 100 minutes so I have still $2 and change from the $3 and change the SIM came with when I signed up for this plan years ago. I never used auto payments, but I always put in $30 every 30 days manually. That $2 and change has lasted me all this time because the expiration date gets pushed back whenever you add more money. Last time I added like $100 I think back in May, and the expiration for my balance is showing November, so not even close to what Gold status is in the pay-as-you-go plans. As far as I can tell, this plan pushes the expiration date to 6 months from when you last put money, and has nothing to do with Gold status. I have not seen any indication that Gold status applies to anything other than the PAYG plans.
[Nexus 4 General] sashusmom:
You are correct. Gold status only applies to the PAYG accounts. If you converted to a monthly plan and convert back to PAYG supposedly you can get back your gold rewards status. But technically to convert to a 4g monthly $30/5g/100 min plan you have to be a new customer with a new activation kit, so I think tmo can say no to gold status unless you fight for it.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
So $120 in my account will give me a notification 120 days later instead of every 30 days?
[Nexus 4 General] sashusmom:
Every 30 days your balance will be hit for the $30 to pay the monthly fee. So in 120 days your balance will be $0. No $ left for reupping your monthly plan and no $ to run your account when it defaults back to PAYG. When a fallow monthly account is left, it will revert to a PAYG status in 60 days?? Not sure of how many days you are given to add your $30 payment before it is switched by the system back to PAYG. There it will stay forever. No going back on that sim.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
I think its 60 days..if I decide to leave T-Mobile with out $$ on my account and go to straight talk will I be able to use my nexus 4, they won't blacklist my imei # right? Or should I call a close the account?
[Nexus 4 General] adrman:
I've been on this plan for well over a year now with my gnex. The following statement from tmo's tos applies. "For customers on Monthly4G plans, the account balance expiration date is extended 90 days when rate plan is renewed." So if you have $120 in your account, next month you're debited for $30, leaving you $90 that's good for 90 days. The following month you'll have $60 good for 90 days, rinse, repeat. I typically have been waiting for a refillmobi sale and putting in $100 at a time. Currently, all of their offerings are out of stock though.
[Nexus 4 General] jck_w:
This site is in stock for now. prepaid-refill.com/
[Nexus 4 General] GorillaPimp:
No they wont blacklist it.

I had the $30 plan and moved to Solavei. I didn't do anything with Tmo to close my account. I didn't migrate numbers either. I had my N4 from a post-paid contract family account with many other phones on it that I closed prior to contract end since it paid to just get a ton of free phones and close my account and pay the early termination fee later. I made $300-400 per phone on resale after termination fee. None of those phones or the phones I kept had their IMEI banned as stolen. My account issues with Tmo which were settled much later never entered into it. That was on a contract/post-paid account so your month to month non-contract account is most definitely safe. You have absolutely nothing hanging over your head when on a prepaid account. The only case I've seen where a company would do what youre saying is with Sprint on an unfulfilled contract or a phone reported stolen on a warranty claim with Sprint. With a GSM phone all you need to do is unlock it and anything like that they tried wouldn't work anyway unless that new stolen phone database thing they were working on is already in use. Even then I doubt all providers would participate.

If you want to keep your phone number then you should migrate it before the money/time runs out.

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Groove IP on Edge (fake 3G at 200kbps max called 2G by TMo) is horrible. On 2G doing anything on a modern phone is pretty much dead. GrooveIP on slow DSL is very bad and quick to cause disconnects and times when you will miss significant parts of your convo. I have family in a 2G only zone and anytime we talk on anything other than regular voice minutes it just sucks. That's part of the reason I moved to Solavei ($49)for the unlimited voice/text & 4gb data. I never max out my data and I'd always be paying for extra minutes with the $30 plan. I use an OBI voip device for my home phone and can place calls through it over wifi/data too. You may want to try that out if you're really wanting to not go over that $30 mark. Their compression may make it more usable for 2G. I never tried it before switching.
[Nexus 4 General] M@XLOL:
Thanks for the headsup...

I will be honest though that looks incredibly sketchy.
[Nexus 4 General] jck_w:
Yeah, some sketch there, but I've used it about 5-6x without a hitch
[Nexus 4 General] M@XLOL:
I am taking a vacation in october where tmobile will not have service so I don't want to renew yet. If I buy this can I just use the code later? I am on my trial month and like it enough to cancel VZW once I come back from Alaska.
[Nexus 4 General] jck_w:
That site has changed the way they offer the minutes. In the past, after you PayPal your dough the almost immediately email you a code, which in your case you can wait until later to use for a credit. Now, from what I've heard, you actually input your phone number so they credit you directly. That may not be optimal for you.

Try buying and go through the motions without actually paying and see if they ask for your T-Mobile number. If they do, it may not work for ya.
[Nexus 4 General] zakkyzombie:
How the crap do you get the plan!? Its on the site. But I can't find it on the site or through the app or the automated service.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Bob Coxner:
Few sellers now provide codes/pins. I think they were being ripped off by people using stolen credit card numbers. I just know that when I buy discounted refills for Net10 on eBay that all of the sellers have you give them your phone number. I haven't had any problems with it.
[Nexus 4 General] M@XLOL:
Interesting. I'd really rather not provide my telephone number.
[Nexus 4 General] tlopez1973:
hey I just got this planned yesterday and I noticed that wifi calling does take your minutes I'm using a Samsung Galaxy s 4g with the wifi calling app on the phone can someone confirm that the minutes do waste. The reason I'm asking is because the Customer Service said that my minutes will not waste and they are
[Nexus 4 General] ziddey:
They do for prepaid. They are not metered for postpaid.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
T-Mobile doesn't have Wi-Fi calling at least with this phone. For WiFi I use Vonage app bit only for outgoing calls. It works pretty good.

Sent from my shiny new(bought last Nov), scratch less Nexus 4!
[Nexus 4 General] tlopez1973:
OK so i can use Google voice over WiFi I guess and groove IP for incoming calls
[Nexus 4 General] talhak91:
That's very interesting. Is there a benefit to not using your own IMEI?

Now I'm curious about all the people who activated the tmobile plan. How did you all activate your phones on this? Did the IMEIs of your nexus 4s work when you made the switch?