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[Nexus 4 General] BrianDigital:
The easiest way would be not pay, there's no contract so no etf. Just leave auto bill off, and if your super worried just buy a T-Mobile money card to fill the account instead of debt/credit card
[Nexus 4 General] SonicYan:
I was able to do this online through my-tmobile if I remember correctly. No need to go through chat or phone, just went to a menu under options to turn it off, although I guess for those who are just visiting and don't have an SSN you will have to go to the store.
[Nexus 4 General] ghostlobster:
I plan on going to this plan as soon as my contract with VZW is up next month. I'm going to miss my unlimited data plan on VZW, but the $95/month is a bit too heavy for me. Here's what I've done and what my plan is going forward.

Plan:

I'll be snagging a Nexus 4 to replace my beloved Droid 4, currently running CM 10.1. Adjusting to not having a QWERTY slider will be difficult, but I'll get used to it.

Root the N4, install Franco's kernal and TWRP then install CM 10.1 and either the .33 or .27 radio on it, change the APN so that I'll get LTE when it's available here in Raleigh. It's now rolling out in Charlotte and Raleigh has been the next stop for LTE rollouts for other carriers, so it should not be long. Just for quick confirmation, LTE is included in this plan, right (up to the allotted data, of course)?

Port my VZW number to Google voice.

Use CSipSimple + my PBXInaFlash server + GV for incoming calls and GV for voicemail.

Use Android GV client for SMS (no MMS, I know, but it's OK)

Use GV Android dialer integration for outgoing calls over IP.

Keep my T-Mobile phone number to myself, continuing to use the old VZW number on my GV account.

Profit!

Current Setup

My VZW number is forwarding to my GV number. Cannot port it yet, until contract is up.

My PIAF server is connected just fine to my GV account and setup to simultaneously ring to the softphone (XLite) at my desk and CSipSimple on my Droid 4 for incoming calls.

Outgoing calls are made just fine over IP using GV's native android dialer integration.

G.729 purchased and installed on both ends for good low bandwidth quality.

Been monitoring data usage, and I generally fall under 4GB/month, even using VOIP, so that should not be an issue.

SMS is still going to my VZW number, and not my GV account yet. That is the only part of this I have not tested yet.

So, any glaring holes in there? I've been using the forwarding to the GV number for about 2 months now to test out the PIAF/CSipSimple/GV setup and it's been working wonderfully. So well in fact that I moved my work toll free number to voip.ms and configured PIAF to connect up to voip.ms and ring to the CSipSimple and XLite clients ring group. Have not missed a call at all and cut my toll free phone bill by 75%!

Thanks!
[Nexus 4 General] abhipati:
Is it so easy to setup PIAF/CSipSimple/GV,?? I tired but unable to setup properly.
[Nexus 4 General] ghostlobster:
Actually, it really is simple. I had wrestled with it for a while on my own and ran into some problems...it was working, but would require a daily amportal restart, there were some issues with voicemail, and some other weirdness. I then found this great series of YouTube vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9DzN1Pu6-Q

I've got an old PC here kicking around, so I installed VirtualBox on it and went through all of his configuration videos. It works great! The PC is an AMD Zacate mini-ITX PC, so it just sits on my shelf not taking up much space or power, is running all the time and just plain works. I setup Windows NOT to grab any Windows updates as the PC is just sitting there as a host for the VM and doesn't need any updates, and I don't want it restarting after updates. As an additional level of protection, I've got it plugged into a UPS, the BIOS is set to power itself on upon power return in the event of a power outage exceeding the amount of battery backup on the UPS, Windows is set to automatically log in as the user running the VM, and I put a shortcut to the VM in the startup group. Basically, anything short of catastrophic failure, and this guy can be back up and running in moments. And even if there is a catastrophic failure, the VM files are being backed up daily to my NAS drive, so I can just slap them into any VirtualBox and be up and running on a temporary basis in moments as well.

All of the above is the result of lessons learned the hard way! :good:
[Nexus 4 General] Testicopolicious:
For those of you on Chicago, is it normal to be losing 4G every so often? Right now I'm on EDGE and in the morning I had perfect 4G signal.
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
They could be upgrading or maintaining the towers.
[Nexus 4 General] FeintDoxx:
Yes I would say most likely.
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
Considering that they're rolling out LTE extremely quickly (reminds me of when Verizon did it practically overnight), I'm willing to be this is the case. It's amazing; I have LTE pretty much everywhere here in NYC, even in some subway stations.

Also, I read your username as "Testicle-opolous" lmao.
[Nexus 4 General] wickemt:
PBXes problems

Hello all. Apologize if this question has been answered previously but 215 pages was a lot to sort through.

Got my nexus 4 and T-mo sim card today. Signed up for $30/mo 5gb/100min plan, and stupidly rushed to port my old beloved number to my GV account. Should have waited till I was fully operational.

Attempting to setup sipdroid + pbxes. Sipdroid configures OK, PBXes configures OK, but I can't make or receive any calls. Google Voice is set to answer/make calls via GChat. I have the green dot in sipdroid and the passwords are all properly configured in PBXes. Incoming and outgoing paths are set. Yet when I make an outgoing call, I hear the GV lady saying "your call cannot be completed as dialed".

I am posting my log file here in the hopes that someone can help me discern why PBXes and google voice are not playing nicely. For reference purposes, Talkatone and GrooveIP both work, albeit poorly. I'd really rather have the more robust solution online.

From what I can tell, the trunk is not connecting to Google Voice / Gchat - that field of the log file is empty, and when I go to 'status' in PBXes it shows my SipDroid client in 'extensions' and 'conferences', but 'trunks' is an empty green box.

Help! Please! My phone number is lost in the ether and I'm off the grid and freaking out a bit. Thanks in advance.

2013-06-21	22:51:45	"Sipdroid" <200>	+19177319022	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	from-internal-cont	ResetCDR	00:00:04
2013-06-21	22:51:44	200	+19177319022	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	ext-par2	Hangup	(00:00:04)
2013-06-21	22:20:06	"Sipdroid" <200>	19177319022	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	from-internal-cont	ResetCDR	00:00:05
2013-06-21	22:20:05	200	19177319022	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	ext-par2	Hangup	(00:00:05)
2013-06-21	22:11:10	"Sipdroid" <200>	18008489222	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	from-internal-cont	ResetCDR	00:00:04
2013-06-21	22:11:09	200	18008489222	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	ext-par2	Hangup	(00:00:04)
2013-06-21	22:03:32	"Sipdroid" <200>	18008489222	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	from-internal-cont	ResetCDR	00:00:05
2013-06-21	22:03:31	200	18008489222	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	ext-par2	Hangup	(00:00:05)
2013-06-21	21:51:07	"Sipdroid" <200>	18008489222	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	from-internal-cont	ResetCDR	00:00:04
2013-06-21	21:51:06	200	18008489222	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	ext-par2	Hangup	(00:00:04)
2013-06-21	21:42:58	"Sipdroid" <200>	2127728338	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	from-internal-cont	ResetCDR	00:00:04
2013-06-21	21:42:57	200	2127728338	pool-96-250-48-26.ny*cmny.fios.verizon.net	ext-par2	Hangup	(00:00:04)
[Nexus 4 General] flight243:
Thank a lot guys!! Pardon for the questions but the system is a little bit different from Europe and hence my doubts.

I've just tried to purchase the micro sim activation kit and for some reason the system rejects the credit card in the payment step. No matter the credit card entered, it fails, so it looks like T-Mo is blocking payments made with card issued outside the US. Anyone has experienced this problem before?
[Nexus 4 General] sashusmom:
I have read that you can order refills from walmart online, use an address in the usa (find one in a state that doesn't charge sales tax) and they email you the pin number. Then you just enter the pin when you are on the tmo website. So the address is just for paperwork. Don't know if Walmart accepts international credit cards however.

Same for callingmart.
[Nexus 4 General] IRX120:
Sometimes I'll only get EDGE and it'll jump to 1 bar of H every now and then, but if I walk outside I get full HSDPA+.

Also sometimes I notice it drops down to GPRS, so not sure what's going on there, possible tower maintience

Sent from my Nexus 4 @1.944 GHz on Stock 4.2.2
[Nexus 4 General] ryuker:
Does receiving calls to your phone use up minutes? I route my calls to My T-mo number from my GV one. I know each text uses 1 minute each(according to the tMO store).

Once it went to edge...been consistenly 4 g for the past week except at my job on the 2nd floor. :confused:
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
The $30 100 min plan has unlimited text mms and web, full speed data for the first 5GB. It does not use minutes for texts.

But incoming and outgoing calls are charged against that 100 minutes.

So if your routing your GV calls to the Tmo number your using up minutes.
[Nexus 4 General] ryuker:
Thanks for clearing that up....I though I was wasting minutes!
[Nexus 4 General] ShinnAsuka:
So if I only give out my Google Voice number to people, they would call that number. So technically, none of the 100 minutes from the $30 plan would get used right?

I have PIAF set up and working, so my plan is just to use my GV number as my main number (incoming, outgoing, voicemail).

Also pricing wise, is there tax for the $30 plan? I read on some posts here that there isn't but the text on T-Mobile's website said taxes and fees "may" apply...
[Nexus 4 General] Telemachus13:
Receiving or making calls always uses minutes, even with Google voice, unless you use a separate VOIP app like Vonage, GrooveIP or CSipSimple. The Google voice app is not a VOIP app.

Also, texting through Google voice uses data. I don't know why the TMo rep told you that texting ever uses minutes, but it simply isn't true.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
With a VOIP solution, Your PIAF you use data instead of voice minutes, so that plan is perfect. All tax on the phone service is included.....HOWEVER you could pay sales tax on the refill card especially if you buy it from tmo, but buy it from online venders and there is no sales tax.
[Nexus 4 General] ShinnAsuka:
Right, should've put some more detail. for calls I will be using csipsimple with PIAF.

---------- Post added at 10:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:43 PM ----------

Isn't there a way to just put money into your T-Mobile account and then every month T-Mobile deducts $30?

So for example, if I were to put a full year's worth of prepaid costs into my account ($360, assuming no taxes or the like) then I would basically be set for a whole year right? T-Mobile deducts 30 dollars each month.
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
Yes exactly.

I bought a $100 refill card on ebay for $75 or so in feb that pin entered into my account gave me $100 credit which they then pulled $30 out of each time my prepay was due.
[Nexus 4 General] ryuker:
yep, I thought it was messed up!
[Nexus 4 General] ShinnAsuka:
I think opening texts costing minutes might be from the other prepaid plans that are just minutes, like the 100 dollars for 1000 minutes that last a year plan.

Another question: Anyone know of a way to check what zone you are in when activating the SIM? I live in NYC and there are several zones and supposedly choosing the right zone results in better reception?
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
Sorry never heard of that one.
[Nexus 4 General] ghostlobster:
Please clarify this...

I use GV to make outgoing calls on my Droid 4, and it does NOT use minutes with Verizon. How would TMo classify an outgoing call that uses the dialer's GV integration as voice traffic when it's over data?

:confused:
[Nexus 4 General] Warbuff:
Because it isn't over data. The gv app all it does is dial out to a Google number that is chosen for every contact you call. It isn't voip
[Nexus 4 General] ghostlobster:
Augh! You're right, I just looked at my VZW bill, and it's been using minutes on outgoing calls, and they've all been to those random GV numbers. WTF! Thanks for setting me straight...CSipSimple for outgoing calls from here on in.
[Nexus 4 General] Telemachus13:
The Google Voice app does not use VOIP to send calls over date. This is a common myth, but unfortunately it is not true. When you make a call using the Google Voice app, the app simply calls Google instead of whatever number you dialed, and sends a message to Google to forward the call to the number you dialed. It still uses minutes, because you are still making a standard cellular call; the only thing different is the number your carrier sees. If you watch the screen while the call is being placed, you can see the number you actually called (that your carrier sees). You can't see it in the call log on your phone because the app edits it with the number you dialed.

I don't know why Google Voice calls appear to be free for you on Verizon, but the most likely guess I have is that the Google number the app is calling falls in one of the categories of numbers that are free. The T-Mobile prepaid plans include no such free numbers, so all calls always use minutes.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] myturbo1:
Do I need to edit the T-Mobile APN settings that automatically sets up when I put the micro Sim card in ?

As I cannot receive text msgs :confused:
[Nexus 4 General] thref23:
Your APN has nothing to do with text messages.
[Nexus 4 General] myturbo1:
Yes it does... Also apparently I'm just not receiving from straight talk (at&t)
[Nexus 4 General] thref23:
No it doesn't. MMS I think, but not SMS.

That sounds like a port issue. Fwiw, when I posted my number from Sprint to T-Mobile, incoming calls from Verizon customers on the East coast (if not elsewhere) were usually getting routed to Sprint for about two weeks (those calling me would get Sprint's standard 'subscriber cannot be reached' recording). Unfortunately I found that T-Mo's pre-paid customer service people, while friendly and well trained, go completely off of scripts and can't necessarily help you if your issue isn't really basic. Their word (multiple agents) to me was I needed to call back from another phone so they could trouble shoot, and if we couldn't figure out why some of my calls were still getting routed to Sprint, I would have to contact my phone's manufacturer for an answer. The issue was eventually fixed a day after I e-mailed Verizon's exec relations team.

Good luck.
[Nexus 4 General] Pandemic187:
I haven't read this thread much so I apologize if I'm repeating what's already been said, but you don't need a separate app if you set up a PBXes account. I was using the native dialer to make and receive calls without using minutes. I did however eventually give up on it because it was too unreliable.
[Nexus 4 General] Ajfink:
Yeah, it's crazy how fast it spread out over a big chunk where I live.
[Nexus 4 General] Telemachus13:
The native dialer does have a built-in SIP client, but the Google Voice app doesn't use it at all. It requires setting up a SIP server of some kind (such as PBXes like you suggested). Also, as you pointed out, the SIP client in the native dialer isn't very good. So while you are correct that it doesn't require a separate app, it does require additional setup beyond just installing the GV app, and I would recommend getting a better SIP client app.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
How many minutes do you guys use on average? I know the point of the $30 plan is to save money, but if you do the math, if you use for example 300 minutes total in a month (5 hours of calls), that's a $50 bill total.
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
True but thats with 5gbs of data at full speed instead of 500mbs.

that being said though if your not using 5gbs of data it might be cheaper to switch up.
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
Honestly, I could afford to go to the $70 plan, but as a college student it would be a stupid move. It's $840 a year vs $360 a year. I wish they had an in-between plan. Either way, I'm paying less now than I did on Straight Talk (F-them, btw) and getting faster data speeds. I've learned to keep my conversations brief and rely on my house phone or texting/Whatsapp more. I've never gone over my 100 minutes.
[Nexus 4 General] optimusv45:
i looked on T mobile website and cant find any info on this 30 per month prepaid. Can someone hook me up with a link ?
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
Bottom left: http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans

You can only choose it when you first sign up. If you change plans, you'll need to re-register with a new SIM.
[Nexus 4 General] Johmama:
Hey guys, I've been trying to find this out for a long time but couldn't on my own, hopefully someone here can help me.

I'm trying to figure out if I can even get T-Mo in my area, I check the coverage map and it says I have "Service Partner" coverage in my area. My question is: what does that mean to me? I realize that what that means is basically T-Mobile is leasing coverage from someone in my area, but what does that mean to me, the end-user? Do I actually have coverage in my area? Will the quality be good? Will it still be the flat rate that I pay T-Mobile? They aren't being very clear about what the cost/quality/coverage is at the end of the day. Any info would be help me out significantly.

Not that this should make any difference, but I'm 90% sure it's an AT&T tower that is in my area.
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
Chat with them over the phone or online and ask them.
[Nexus 4 General] sashusmom:
You can also get a free sim(when they are on sale) on prepaid, open as a payg account- it gives you a couple dollars in starter credit and actually see what you have. Then if you want to try the $30 plan, you'll need to have another free sim on hand to open the monthly account online.
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
They're running a promotion right now to get free SIMs, until July 1st. Just use the promo code 99SIM and at checkout, they'll be free. I did it for 3 SIMs.
[Nexus 4 General] sashusmom:
Yeah! I got 2 this month also...forgot to mention that:o I get them when they are free to have on hand. Must have 6 or 8 of them.
[Nexus 4 General] baiju2012:
We should put this at the beginning of this thread. Just a suggestion.

Nexus IV
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
Yeah. I think they don't want most people on this plan, so they offer it but hide it. That's why they make an effort to hide it. Data transfer costs a carrier the most money. Calls and texts (especially) cost very little.
[Nexus 4 General] Ajfink:
I use anywhere from 40-90.
[Nexus 4 General] 3dupunk:
I rarely go over my minutes, but even if I did go over it still beats paying 70. Honestly I have stopped checking my minute usage, i use my phone as I please...on average my bill is about $40 and that's with insurance included..... I have yet to come across a plan that can compete with this plan. Not to mention with lte rolling out I'm getting reception at places where my signal would be m.i.a before.
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
How'd you get insurance on there? I bought my Note 2 second hand, but it is a T-Mobile branded model. Even if I specifically can't (in my situation) get the insurance on there, can you show me where it's available on Monthly 4G plans?
[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
Address book stuff should be the same as Skype free. If Skype can intercept dialer calls, then that's your answer. The downsides would be the same too, which means you have to have Skype logged in and call from there. By using a SIP service you can use the integrated Android internet calling, though some SIP apps like Sipdroid and CSipSimple let you set up more advanced options like more efficient codecs.
[Nexus 4 General] Disastorm:
Does this mean that SIP will take less bandwidth and may be higher quality than Skype?
[Nexus 4 General] Misfit77:
Well apparently my screen protector was blocking the proximity sensor :confused:. I am still getting calls through the native calling app. Spare phone pops up for about 2 seconds and ask me if I want to answer it before it goes to the native call screen. The Sipdroid/GV/Pbxes method does not work now for some reason. Not sure what's going on. Messed with Tasker but got stuck trying to set up a profile.
[Nexus 4 General] acegolfer:
GV + PBXES is free. No reason to pay for premium service.

The difference is, afaik, pbxes uses generic codecs and skype uses SILK, which is proprietary.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
I was wondering of there is anyone here from Central Connecticut using this service? I have had great call reception but have been stuck using edge with my previous gs s plus. I was wondering how hspa+ coverage is and speeds. Supposedly the coverage is good and my brother used to get great speeds with his previous phone but he lives in the eastern part.

One more thing. An issue I have with simplemob is short numbers. For example, signing up for PayPal text alerts, things like that. You just cannot do it with simplemob.

Is this an issue with tmob?

Final question is regarding gv mail. I understand that b in order to use gv mail you have to disable tmob voice mail. I assume all voice mails come in through email but I'd this the only way to access gv mail? What about notifications? Will I still get alerts when voice mail comes through gv?

This really seems like a complicated set up. I am referring to the whole thing, WiFi calling, gv integration and voip. Can anyone give me a rough idea as to how much data a VoIP call uses?

I will do more research on this but for now I am just asking so I can get a feel for this from people actually doing it.

I thank you all kindly,

Richie

sent via xda premium with nexus 7 while waiting for my back ordered Nexus 4!
[Nexus 4 General] acegolfer:
I'll answer the above questions.

1. You can access GV voicemail by several ways.

a. From your cell, call your GV number. (You can set this up in google.com/voice settings)

b. Install Google Voice app in your phone. You can check voice mail from the app.

c. From email. (You can set this up in google.com/voice settings)

d. By visiting google.com/voice.from a browser.

2. Agreed. Calling for free doesn't come easy. You must go through trial and error to see what works for you because everyone has different conditions. If you don't want to go through this process, I recommend getting the $45 straight talk plan.

3. I heard that VOIP consumes about 1MB per minute.
[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
It really is not complicated. Once you have your GV set up you're good to go, just install the apps and log in. Groove IP and Talkatone have step-by-step instructions on how to set up GV for calls.

You don't need to disable the T-mobile voicemail, but it works better that way. If you don't, then your T-mobile voicemail will answer in certain situations instead of your GV voicemail, like when dismissing the dialer screen on your phone for a forwarded call. If you're getting a new T-mo number, don't give it to anyone and just use your GV one. If you're planning on porting your number, consider porting it to GV instead.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
You guys are really great! Thank you so much for the info and help. I am going through these replies now. I really appreciate it.

I am also so sorry about the typos. I love the new gesture thing but I am getting way to many spelling errors even for common words. I just downloaded some new dictionaries and I updates my personal dictionary as well so hopefully my typing will be a bit better now,

Thanks again guys

sent via xda premium with nexus 7 while waiting for my back ordered Nexus 4!