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[Nexus 4 General] msg125:
I haven't even activated the phone yet because I'm waiting a case to get here. I was able to make calls no problem even without having service.
[Nexus 4 General] Drike19:
Currently have a 2 year contract and the $30 monthly 4G plan, was told that you dont always get the same coverage on prepaid than you do postpaid so I am currently testing it out. But I have not seen a difference yet. just have to wait for my Nexus 4 to come in and then cancel my postpaid plan.

I was able to get a free micro-sim from the tmobile store when I went. simply said when your phone arrives we can transfer everything over and if you decide you want to stick with the pre-paid we can switch your post-paid number over as well.
[Nexus 4 General] thebest:
Yes, if you use Vonage it does not use your minutes, same as GrooveIP, but....

I believe if you use Vonage with the phone number on your plan, then it will eat up your minutes.

I have yet to see any program that uses the phone number on your plan, without also using your minutes (T-mobile wifi calling uses your T-mobile phone number, and it also uses your minutes).

Correct me if I am wrong. :)
[Nexus 4 General] trent25:
Vonage app doesn't use your minutes

Thank you guys for the Vonage app tip. Never came across it before. User interface is very usable and performance is great.

I still don't have the N4, only a few hours more :D, but I've had the $30 tmobile plan (100min + 5GB data) for a about a year now. I was forced to get a new number, couldn't transfer my old tmobile prepaid number.

Vonage app doesn't use your minutes. I installed it and allowed it to use my tmobile number (it auto detected it and sent an activation code over sms). I then made 2 calls one on wifi and another on 4G (currently have the galaxy exhibit 4G supports HSPA+ 14) quality was pretty good on both, considering grooveIP is unusable on it because of the weak processor, although Skype and G-Talk work fine. I had the same number of minutes remaining after the 2 calls as before. No minutes used.

The $30 plan works well for me because I use a little over 2GB of data a month, and rarely exceed the 100 minutes. And when I do it's only 10cents a minute. And no extra fees and taxes. Plus I pick up recharge cards online regularly at 5% off and no sales tax. It's a win win win situation :P
[Nexus 4 General] il buono:
Finally received the sim card today and activated this sucker. Compared to Sprint in Tucson, it is light years better. :D

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] acegolfer:
Yes. It takes several days to get the simple card. My spare micro sim took 9 days to arrive.
[Nexus 4 General] namartlu:
I activated the t-mobile plan without porting my number from virgin mobile, then I called back the next day to ask them to port it. Now it's on the 4th day. I called multiple times and they said it's been escalated and a ticket # was created, someone would handle the transfer manually. Today they said it's in the final stage of the porting and may still take up to 72 hours... Anyone experiencing the same thing? The CSR said because virgin mobile is a reseller of sprint, that's why it takes so long...
[Nexus 4 General] ziddey:
Oh burn. Didn't realize TMO was selling microsim activation kits for free today.

http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-phone/T-Mobile-Micro-SIM-Card-Activation-Kit

sold out :(

and here i was ready to pay $0.99 for one.
[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
With g729, you can talk when you're driving, but like you said you need to have decent coverage. If there is a dead zone, you just have to put up with it. On my 40 minute hike to class, I can talk over HSPA+, with the g729 codec, without issues for 98% of the trip. If I'm stationary, with even two bars of service, calls will sound the same as over WiFi, and there are no problems. I have WiFi available all day at work, and when I'm at home, so I don't run into very many issues. If I need to call someone when I have bad service, I'll use my T-Mobile minutes. I've only used 10 this month, and I'm 15 days into my billing period. I have my server set up to forward the call to my T-Mobile number if my extension does not answer, and this is very easy to do with ring groups.

If you're very mobile, and absolutely need your phone to be 100% reliable at all times I'd go with the $45/mon straight talk plan.

The GSM codec is not a good choice, and is not a low latency codec. IMO, it's not an option. From what I'm reading, the Vonage app uses iSAC, which appears to be similar to g722 in terms of voice quality. However, I'm fairly certain that g729 will be better over HSPA+ because it's lower latency, and consumes less bandwidth.

Also, the native dialer does not work nearly as well as CSipSimple. If you need bluetooth calling to work reliably, steer clear of VoIP calling. The audio latency on Android is already very high, and when you introduce bluetooth, it's going to be even worse. CSipSimple works amazing on my Gnex, but the call quality on my N4 does not match the Gnex. I'm pretty sure it's because the audio latency is so high on the N4. Caustic 2 is reporting 84ms on my N4, and 18ms on my Gnex (with a low latency patch). This difference is noticeable, IMO. I really hope there will be a low latency audio patch for the Nexus 4, because 84ms is just poor.

From my experience, using a SIP phone, and receiving calls does not dramatically reduce battery life. I was getting around 4 hours of screen time on my Gnex with CSipSimple always enabled.
[Nexus 4 General] eksasol:
Oh suck it up, don't tell me you can't afford 99 cents with your $400 phone. They give you $3 of free talk time in the sim. You are now appointed to 20 hours of community service.
[Nexus 4 General] ziddey:
I think you might be just a little lacking in reading comprehension. :eek:

I said that I was ready to spend $0.99, only to find that it's free today, and subsequently sold out.
[Nexus 4 General] jasonwc:
It will always say HSPA+21. HSPA+42 is actually dual carrier HSPA+21 (hence, DC-HSPA+) - kind of like using a 40 Mhz channel with 802.1n rather than a 20 Mhz channel to double bandwidth. It was showing me HSPA+21 in areas where I was getting speeds above the theoretical maximum for HSPA+21.
[Nexus 4 General] Robpol86:
I just "bought" two incase any of my friends want one. Wasn't sold out for me.
[Nexus 4 General] Vanhoud:
OK cool thanks
[Nexus 4 General] Misfit77:
I need some help with an issue that started today. For no apparent reason when I get a call it cuts to the stock answering screen and when I try to answer the call the screen instantly turns off and won't turn back on until the call is over. Since I have to press 1 to answer the call I can't answer it. Even if I am using " Spare phone" and have the option checked to have it press 1 automatically it still doesn't answer the call. This happens whether I am using sip droid/GV/pbxes, Spare Phone, and even when I'm not using an by calling app at all! Anyone had this happen to them?
[Nexus 4 General] muyoso:
Do you have both the cell call and the wifi call come in at the same time? Or are you not having GV forward to your cell at all? If its just accepting wifi calls and that happens I have no idea.
[Nexus 4 General] Disastorm:
I'm planning on getting a voip/sip service for outgoing calls (dont care about incoming) to save minutes.

Which is better to get Gvoice+PBXES.org 6$ a month or Skype at 3$ a month. What is the difference between using PBXES Sip and whatever Skype uses? Difference in quality, etc?
[Nexus 4 General] Misfit77:
I do have it forwarding to both my cell and Google chat. I have it accepting calls over 3G/WI-FI. I also have the dialer set to use Internet calling for all calls.

I did download " Proximity Sensor Finder" and it did not give me a reading. I'm thinking my proximity sensor kicked the bucket.
[Nexus 4 General] muyoso:
Do a simple test. Call out from you Nexus 4 and test the proximity sensor then. If that doesn't work, it might be a defect. You do have a lot of things happening when you receive a call on your Nexus 4. I recommend figuring out a way, like I have posted a page or two back, to limit incoming calls to either cell or VoIP, not both at the same time.
[Nexus 4 General] Disastorm:
Can anyone help me out? Which is better to get Skype or some kind of SIP thing like PBXES+GVoice? Skype is cheaper for USA calls so I'm just wondering about the quality.

Also will I be able to call ppl on my address book with Skype (assuming I have the subscription for calling mobile/landlines) or do I need to actually open the Skype app and add all of their numbers in?
[Nexus 4 General] namartlu:
I am in the process of porting my number from Virgin Mobile to T-Mobile, it's taking so long.... Do you think flashing ROM will mess up the process at all? I don't think it will but don't want to risk it...
[Nexus 4 General] ceejay83:
No it's fine, flashing has nothing to do with it
[Nexus 4 General] Durvelle27:
got mines from ebay for $5
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
Since the new T-Mobile plans went effective, there have not been any deals on the activation kit.
[Nexus 4 General] thebryceee:
I can't even find the $30 plan on the site anymore

Edit: nvm. They went ninja and put it on http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com
[Nexus 4 General] Postal Psycho:
After a couple minutes of browsing the regular tmobile site i was unable to find a link to prepaid, at least no obvious ones. I've been on this plan since June 2012. This + Groove IP for the win.
[Nexus 4 General] thebryceee:
They're on that link I posted in my edit
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
This plan kicks ass, 5 months so far no problems

Nexus 4-CarbonROM(0100)

Tapatalk2
[Nexus 4 General] thebryceee:
Their customer service is nice and fast too, especially when compared to ST. Last time i was trying to get through to ST, i was on the phone for TWO hours waiting. 60 seconds from the time i dialed to hanging up with T-Mobile.
[Nexus 4 General] SonicYan:
If you guys are looking for the prepaid link, just Google T-Mobile prepaid, it links you to the prepaid site where you can browse for the $30 plan. Weird how the regular site doesn't show any links to this prepaid site.
[Nexus 4 General] DirgeExtinction:
Does anyone know of any good APNs to use for this plan? This is my first GSM phone.
[Nexus 4 General] androidfoshizzle:
Shouldn't have to worry about APN, Ir's already set for use on tmobile

Nexus 4-CarbonROM(0100)

Tapatalk2
[Nexus 4 General] jblazea50:
Anyone using this plan in the DC/MD area and how is their service?
[Nexus 4 General] machostallion:
I live in Rockville and work downtown. I get great coverage everywhere in the metro area. The LTE coverage is also great. I get better LTE on the N4 with Tmobile at my office than I used to get on Verizon.

One caveat is if you get outside the dc metro area, coverage can get spotty. I usually always have a phone voice signal but data drops to edge pretty quick. Doesn't bother me though as I'm only in those areas when I'm driving.
[Nexus 4 General] jblazea50:
Thanks for that. I'm in the College Park area and by looking at their coverage map, it shows good coverage both data and voice.

Appreciate your input.
[Nexus 4 General] DirgeExtinction:
But aren't there different APN settings that may improve speeds or signal? Or what's this ipv4/v6 I've been hearing about?
[Nexus 4 General] n2d551:
I dunno? I get the warning @ 4gb of usage, and that's usually near the end of the month anyway
[Nexus 4 General] marsdta:
For those interested, tmo has the activation kits on sale again. Use 99SIM code . ends of being free with free shipping as well
[Nexus 4 General] machoman1337:
For those of us who don't reside in the US, it is possible to just drive to a T-Mobile shop and register for this plan right? I was able to do that for AT&T.
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
T-Mobile stores don't usually carry activation kits that are required for prepaid (they contain a activation code that is required). Sometimes you can find these at walmart or bestbuy.
[Nexus 4 General] parrothd:
Can I port my postpaid t-mobile (off contract)number to prepaid $30, sounds like I should be able to but wanted to make sure. Also, does the prepaid support conditional call forwarding for google voicemail?
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
Some people have been able to port it over the phone without getting a new sim but most people have to get a new sim w/ prepaid activation kit and setup a new account first.

And, no, prepaid does not support conditional call forwarding.
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
Some stores do, that is how I started my tmo $30 plan, went into the store, they told me the $30 plan needed a phone call and proceeded to make it.
[Nexus 4 General] parrothd:
Gotcha!

So I need to port my current post paid number to google voice(I'll have 2 google voice numbers - already have 1) then sign up for the $30 plan and get a new number for the prepaid. Then use a VOIP app like vonage for all my incoming/outgoing calls using one of my google numbers?

I'll loose MMS ability from my old postpaid number but I don't get many of those...

Does that sound right?

Thanks!...
[Nexus 4 General] quentin0:
Yep that'll definitely work. It's better to go all-in and port your number to GV instead of messing around with call forwarding and whatnot. Since the prepaid doesn't have that option, looks like that's your only choice

One thing, using VOIP isn't 100% yet...unless you're doing some serious minutes every month, you can always just add extra money to your account, and if you go over for 100 minutes, it will take from that bank. Food for thought...

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I'm almost certain the answer is no, but will T-mo's LTE work on this $30 prepaid plan? Assuming I hack the old radio and mess with the APN settings of course...
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
Yes LTE is available to the prepaid market. If you live in a market that has LTE turned on. At the rate they are rolling out LTE many markets should be covered soon.
[Nexus 4 General] quentin0:
Thanks. I don't think Detroit has been launched yet, I thought I saw somewhere that it had. Even if it is live here, T-mobile's reception at my house is barely one bar. Hopefully that will change with LTE, but it'd be best to test downtown first.
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
Yes they are currently testing LTE in Detroit. How extensive it is is hard to say, check the sensorly coverage map, people have connected to lte there.
[Nexus 4 General] quentin0:
Didn't even know about sensorly, thanks for that :)

Looks like it's downtown and midtown at the moment for Detroit

It's amazing that I might be able to get 4g LTE for $30 a month with a Nexus 4. It's literally the cheapest and the best Android combination money can buy. Why anyone would be on any other network with any other phone is beyond me...
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
100 mins of talk:laugh:

I (like many others) have not found a workable VOIP solution so keeping under 100 mins is difficult. In may I used $24 over my 100 mins at 10 cents a min.:crying:
[Nexus 4 General] plasticarmyman:
the Vonage app uses VoIP...
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
Yes but no incoming calls, that was most of my calls, my dad and my sister.

Also if not on wifi it lagged and sounded echoey.
[Nexus 4 General] plasticarmyman:
well with incoming you tell them "let me call you back"...and then you don't use your minutes...

and laggy/echoey is worth it for me IMO...
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
For me it was until may, but my dad has a over the road driving job and he calls me for information and directions at times and so he said he would pay half my bill so I switched up the the $60 unlimited min plan. I couldnt handle the $50 but only 500 mb data.
[Nexus 4 General] n2d551:
Well I have also found that the magic jack app works well for me when I have a good lte signal
[Nexus 4 General] thref23:
I know this is the Nexus 4 forum, but this is where dual sim dual standby would come in handy. That way you can combine this $30 plan with the other $30 plan and get more data (or find a cheaper voice plan elsewhere or use an AT&T sim for voice).

BLU's most recent phones all have dual sim dual standby, and are all vanilla Android (budget brand but their specs are getting better and I have had a good experience with one of their devices). Of course none of their phones are LTE capable and most lack the 1700 band.

Unrelated sidenote: would anyone like to be a guinea pig and buy a phone from http://www.shootsystemstores.com? This site is selling the HTC One unlocked for $320 and the Galaxy Mega 6.3 for $370 (plus $20 shipping).
[Nexus 4 General] New Optimus:
That would be a nice option, not sure how its implemented, ie an automatic switch for voice calls, incoming or outgoing.
[Nexus 4 General] RainHNg:
I use Spare Phone & Tasker and it has been working quite well so far.

Spare Phone is better than GrooveIP IMO (just make sure to set mic gain around 20-25% & echo cancellation to high to greatly reduce echos , like the app's suggestion)
[Nexus 4 General] Riverdales27:
Wow spare phones is nice. My voice doesn't cut out after 30-40 seconds like grooveip and Vonage does.
[Nexus 4 General] luisenriquereyes:
Which one of the Spare Phone apps? Two show up in the Play Store. One for $2.99 the other for $4.99.
[Nexus 4 General] Riverdales27:
2.99. The other one isn't being supported anymore.
[Nexus 4 General] RainHNg:
Spare Phone - VoIP Voice Calls :good:
[Nexus 4 General] ghostlobster:
I just read the reviews and the Play Store info page on Spare Phone, but cannot find any info regarding native dialer/address book integration. How does it do on that front?
[Nexus 4 General] ericshmerick:
You have 15 minutes to find out for free. Go!
[Nexus 4 General] Product F(RED):
Sorry, but I get pretty good LTE coverage in my neighborhood (90% covered), and 5/5 HSPA+ coverage. When I walk to the front door of my house (not even walking inside yet) and I drop to barely one bar. Take a few steps outside and I'm back to full signal.

Their LTE is at the same frequency as their HSPA+ (1700/2100 MHz), so unfortunately you won't get better signal.
[Nexus 4 General] Postal Psycho:
From almost 1 year experience with grooveip on this plan, these are my findings

-driving or riding in an automobile is not so good with groove ip due to all the data handoffs

-inside a building with no wifi is not so good either, tmobile has poor building penetration

-time Warner open air wifi is not solid enough for groove ip

-grooveip on 4g or h while stationary outdoors is good

-groove ip on wifi is good
[Nexus 4 General] vcast009:
Yes and when using Groove IP, I use the radio info shortcut app and switch to LTE only. The connection held up well in a 10 minute car ride. Only down side is my Nexus 4 starts to run a bit hot.
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
Hmm, I need to somehow put $15 into my T-Mobile account in order to renew my $30/month subscription (I have $15 there already). Anyone have any idea how I can do so within 3 days?

There's an actual refill option on T-Mobile's site, but the exact amount I need to put into the account exceeds my PayPal balance by a few cents...

Looked at https://prepaid-refill.com/ but there aren't any T-Mobile cards available currently :/
[Nexus 4 General] madmike413:
http://m.bonanza.com/listings/T-mobile-15-prepaid-Refill-Card-pin-code-digital-/114831611
[Nexus 4 General] HowDoIVoIP:
For those of you who want the best quality out of your $30 smartphone plan, I made a 12-part video tutorial showing how to do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9DzN1Pu6-Q&list=PLE_de-PBwrTSUMm-Y48aiOOHt_YyT69t0

It's much better than GrooveIP, Talkatone, Pbxes.org, and everything else, especially those with the "one big green button" solution.

This method gives you HD Voice (G.722 codec), bettery battery life, and much better options for logging/blocking/recording. You can even set up hold music. Yup, I said hold music.

It used to be difficult to set up until I made it as clear as the nose on your face in the video tutorial (with actual commentary instead of techno music).

Spread the word if you do it and it works out for you. I believe everyone deserves limitless VoIP WiFi/4g calling.
[Nexus 4 General] ogp:
http://www.callingmart.com/products/wireless/ProductDetail.aspx?ID=447&name=T-Mobile-Broadband-Plan

Someone else told me that the only thing these different refills do is put money on your account. So get this and then apply it to your account. If this is your first time purchasing from them they will have to call you to verify but after that it is almost immediate.
[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
I may try this, but uninstalling Hangouts is a deal breaker. Not so much cause I use it a lot, but because it's gonna be inevitable soon. If this affects the Obi, shouldn't it also affect Groove IP and other such apps, btw? Cause here Groove IP is working fine, outgoing and incoming. From what I'm getting at that thread at dslreports linked on your video, Obi users can't do outgoing now?
[Nexus 4 General] HowDoIVoIP:
I know nothing of OBI, but it might be worth it to just make a new Google Voice account for this then or something. Screw Hangouts. You must be putting me on with that. HANGOUTS? *whistles loudly*
[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
That's in the first couple of pages of the thread linked in your video. Seriously, uninstalling Hangouts is only at best a temporary workaround, it will only work for so long, so this might not be a long-term solution if it involves uninstalling it.

Still if I have some time later I'll see if I can try setting up the server, thanks.
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
Tried this, and it worked just fine; thanks :)

Thanks for the 2nd suggestion [MENTION=837283]ogp[/MENTION]
[Nexus 4 General] plasticarmyman:
i like the look of the BLU Quattro's...but there is little to no dev support on them :\ I'd like to be able to at least root and put CM10.1 on 'em
[Nexus 4 General] FeintDoxx:
Looks like we both need the coverage booster. Well hmm dang I'm not sure if prepaid can get the coverage booster. I know if your on post-paid you can get it for free+S/h sometime during the summer. I called them but they said it still wasn't available yet.
[Nexus 4 General] thref23:
A quick search reveals instructions to install CM 10.1 on the Quattro 4.5

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2218720&page=3

I am not one for custom roms but fwiw I was able to root this real easy:

http://www.gsmarena.com/blu_touch_book_7_0_plus-5202.php

If you can get past the specs and the bulk, the hardware is actually designed pretty well and the battery life is relatively excellent.
[Nexus 4 General] plasticarmyman:
:eek:

I looked for that stuff before buying my N4...I was tempted to get a Blu...

oh well...thanks for the find...
[Nexus 4 General] vcast009:
I needed to refill my account and I was feeling brave so I bought the $50 refill card, which is now at $40.99, and four hours late I got a text message from T-Mobile saying that my account was refilled with $50. I also got an email from "Tom Jerry" confirming the refill as well. I might buy again from him next month.
[Nexus 4 General] leebo:
I just switched from Sprint last Friday. Ported my Sprint number (took 2 hours). I have read this thread up to page 37. I will continue, but I wanted to ask something and it will likely take me a few weeks to get through this thread (in case it's been answered).

I have a different number for Google Voice.

I have Google Voice set to ring both my cell and land line. Sprint had great integration with GV. T-Mobile pre-paid does not.

In GV, settings, there is an option to "Activate voicemail on this line". I'm sure most of you know this is not available with Tmo pre-paid.

Is there any way to replace Tmos voicemail with GV? I usually only give out my GV number, so if those people leave a message it will obviously got to GV.

But family members usually call my actual cell no, so there messages are going to T-Mobiles VM.

And if there is no way to get GV to pick up the calls, do we use minutes with this $30 plan when listening to our VM (assuming we use the Tmo app and do not call into the VM number)?

Thanks.
[Nexus 4 General] Riverdales27:
Call tmob to disable voicemail, will go straight to g voicemail from there.