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[Nexus 10 General] cwoodard73:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RB10K4/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00

It is not suitable for lap use, fyi. I use it on a table or desk as a combo stand/keyboard. Works perfectly well like that.

I don't think anyone could say that the transformer keyboard dock ISN'T awesome. It is. I miss it. There was a time or two I made use of the sd card slot in the dock for transferring photos from a camera. There's no denying, the keyboard dock is great. But the tablet is still the key component here and if it's not really usable due to stability and build issues then well... you're sort of dead in the water no matter how cool the keyboard dock is. All too often with both transformers I felt I spent more time rebooting the devices than I did actually getting to use them. I stuck it out for a total of 10 months hoping that ASUS would push some fixes through, but it never happened. I RMA'd the Prime. It was sent back untouched. I switched to using the Nexus 7 while I waited for the Nexus 10 and even though it was made by ASUS, that thing was ROCK solid stable. I really wish ASUS could have made the Transformers that stable. So that made up my mind to stick with the Google devices. Plus, I really love the idea of getting Android updates ASAP, directly from Google. They are going to make darn sure the OS runs smoothly on their own flagship devices!

I personally didn't end up needing much storage space on my tablet. I stream video instead of having it on my tablet. I'm not really into the games aspect of it. So 32gb is MORE than enough for me. I haven't even dented that after installing my multitude of apps. As for battery life, it easily lasts me a day with plenty to spare. Again though, I don't play the graphics intensive games. I have been watching movies, and I am heavy on the web browsing, email, facebook, chatting, etc etc. So I have been pleased with the battery life. Overnight on standby, I tested it last night, I only lost 1% of the battery.
[Nexus 10 General] pierrekid:
Lolol again just had to laugh at the utter stupidity of your comments.. again on too other news...

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Don't have any build issues with the infinity, although you are right in the begining there were a lot of little issues here and there. But every device has that, look no further than your own nexus 10. People are already complaining about backplate clicking, horrible battery, backlight issues, graphic rendering issues, no micro sd etc... so every device has problem in the beginning. Also asus is known for being the best at updates, so support will never be an issue for any of the transformers. However, even though the n10 is a nexus, its made by samsung, known to be the worst next to motorola. Since updates have to go through the oem first, and samsung already has a bad track record, don't be suprised if your updates are delayed.

As a matter of fact, transformer lines are already getting 4.2 (prime) only a week after the launch of the n10. That alone should show you has good asus is with updates...

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Seriously? Updates have been becoming in every 3-4 weeks, name me another oem who has a better track record for updates. Honestly if your not satisfied with asus and updates, you will never be satisfied because, samsung, motorola and lg are the worst lol. Htc is pretty good with updates though.

By the way, you might wanna hop over to the galaxy nexus forums and see how they are doing with their updates. Just because its a nexus, doesn't mean you are guaranteed to get updates first...or even at all.
[Nexus 10 General] cwoodard73:
OP is asking for our opinions. Obviously everyone has different experiences with these devices; this is my experience with the Transformers. I'm glad you had a better experience, but remember that your opinion isn't the only one in the world that matters or is valid. Not sure why you feel the need to tell everyone they are oh so wrong about their experiences. I'm pretty sure the OP knows where you stand on the issue by now.
[Nexus 10 General] pierrekid:
The problem is not storage though...its the security of your data. Having the option of transfering your data easily from your tab to other media without the use of either a data cable or internet is essential. What happens if you have a saved document on your tab and it crashes? Or you have pictures/ recordings on your tab? How do you expect to get it out? If you have the sd card slot, this would never be a problem since all your data is removable. So its not about the extra storage, but about the transferability and security of the data that you have.
[Nexus 10 General] cwoodard73:
I get how that's important to some. It's just not to me. I keep all my stuff in the cloud. I don't keep anything on it that needs backing up or saving. I can factory reset my device at any time without worrying about losing something. I don't use my tablet for serious business. I'm a stay at home mom doing some photography on the side :p People use devices in different ways; there is no single "right" way. So when evaluating the features of transformer series vs nexus 10, people will put priority on different things. And hey guess what, that's ok.
[Nexus 10 General] pierrekid:
So basically you need internet access at all times, which is very limiting. What happens when you don't have internet? This might not be a concern for you, its def is a concern for most people. I also put most things in the cloud, but movies, sound recordings, music and other large file aren't exactly the best things to be putting in clouds. Especially when data speeds will vary between access points. Just doesn't seem smart to not have the option of removable memory. On top of the better battery, amazing update speeds from asus, great build quality, no lag what so ever since the last update ( not that there was much in the first place), and an awesome keyboard with extended battery the infinity, in my opinion, is the clear winner.

To the OP:

I'm a student at umiami and I can tell you, the dock is amazing. Typing on this thing is great since asus is already known as the king of the netbook. Makes sense that their keyboard dock would be just as good. Its awesome turning my tab into a netbook at will. I honestly get about 2-3 days of full use without charging from the infinity and dock. That includes recording classes, typing notes watching movies, playing games, surfing, torrenting, email etc... I honestly could not survive on the 7 hours people are saying they are getting by just browsing and downloading apps.
[Nexus 10 General] cwoodard73:
I tether from my phone if I need internet access on my tablet when I'm away from home. But honestly when I'm away from home, I just use my phone. I don't drag my tablet around with me much.

ASUS is not bad with the updates, but they never fixed the problems I personally was having. For example, I couldn't use my Gmail app for ten months. Ten months. It crashed incessantly, on both devices. I think I gave it a pretty fair shot! Email is about 50% of what I use a tablet for. Tried other email apps. Nothing with threaded conversations like Gmail does it. I definitely wanted to love those tablets. I wasn't the only one experiencing this problem, and others. The tablet frequently froze entirely, requiring reboots. The launcher crashed frequently, requiring more reboots. I did factory resets after updates, I did cold boots, I uninstalled every possible conflicting app, I tried things people suggested to fix it. I did an RMA. No luck. The screen started separating on my Infinity less than a month after purchase. I was by no means the only person to have these problems with the Transformers; I think the OP should know it's a risk. I don't hate the devices, if anything, it just makes me sad that they didn't work out for me. With any luck, he'll have as good of an experience as you did if he gets a Transformer. But at least he has both sides of the story to base his decision on. Good luck with whatever you decide!
[Nexus 10 General] Zed04:
I had both. Played with my N10 for 2 days and then sold my tf700 on ebay.

Main reasons:

- Nexus runs much smoother.

- I hated the one speaker - in the back! - of the Asus.

- I found the Asus uncomfortable to hold. It's edges dug into my hands unless I used a case.

The only issue I have with the Nexus is no MicroSD slot.

I took a little hit on selling my Asus but am glad I did.
[Nexus 10 General] golfinggino:
orinially i was not happy with the performance of the infinity but since unlocking it rooting and running paranoidandroid rom and clemsyn kernel it is much better now - i am still trying to pick up a n10 to compare

but i am happy with the infinity you just cant run it stock
[Nexus 10 General] neugenusis:
Gotta love the N10's stereo front facing speakers!

Just like Zed04 mentioned, I too hated the TF700's rear facing, right side single placement speakers. It sounds like a laptop with a busted left speaker, since all the sound is coming from the right side. I don't want to "cup my hands" to increase the volume like some annoyed TF700/IPad) users have mentioned. Don't want to wear headphones and don't want to use external speakers, when I get great sound from my Gnote 10.1 (Great Tablet) and now the N10. The N10's speakers really do improve the immersion when watching video, playing games, or anything that involves sound, and i'm not an audiophile.

Also, I have an Asus TF101 + keyboard dock. I thought that I would miss a keyboard dock when using the Samsung tablets, but easily forgot about it when I got a rechargable motorola bluetooth keyboard, since I don't have to attach/detach the motorola keyboard, and be able to use it while the tablet is in portrait mode.
[Nexus 10 General] Techie2012:
Lol I had to do that all the time with my Prime to hear the speakers! hated it
[Nexus 10 General] Tomatoes8:
I don't see how this is even debatable really.

The three most important parts of a tablet.

OS = Stock 4.2 vs. Laggy Asus 4.1 or 4.2

Screen = 2500 X 1600 vs. 1980 x 1200

CPU/GPU = Exynos Dual A15/ T-604 Mali vs. Tegra 3 slow A9/Nvidia(LOL tegra 3)

Am I missing something here? That is like comparing a juicy triple AAA Alberta steak with some frozen dinner steak. It doesn't matter if the frozen dinner has corn and mash potatoes(keyboard dock and micro SD slot) and dessert(aluminum body), they are still in different leagues entirely.
[Nexus 10 General] theicemonkey:
You're right. There is no debate. You'll notice that almost everyone who has had both tablets prefers the Nexus 10. The only people who are saying that the Inifinity is better are the people who are stuck with it. Out of the box, without rooting or unlocking, the Nexus 10 is faster and smoother than the Infinity was with every possible hack. I know this because I hacked it to hell for a month, desperate to make it faster. First it was "Jelly Bean will fix the problems!", then it was "Jelly Bean ROMs will fix Asus' slow version of Jelly Bean!", now it's "Android 4.2 will fix Android 4.1!" Can you guess what will come next?

There is also no debate regarding updates; Asus is the fastest to update their products, but what you should be hearing is "Asus is the first to update their tablets that have gone too long without an update". They're terrible at updating their stuff, they're just better than Motorola and Samsung. TWO MONTHS is TOO SLOW. This is a Nexus tablet and will receive the update directly from Google as soon as it's released. Anyone trying to make a comparison between the updating of a Verizon phone (Galaxy Nexus) and a tablet sold directly from the Play Store is obviously an unreliable source of information.

The Nexus 10 KOs the Transformer Pad Infinity in a bloody heap in the first 15 seconds of the first round. Not a fight worth paying to see.
[Nexus 10 General] jonstrong:
Yup...I've got an Infinity since 10/6...with Best Buy Silver I've got another week or so to return this for a full refund. Tough decision - fit and finish is beautiful. Screen is great, battery, especially with dock, is fantastic. But it does lag, and with all the silliness re: nvflash and HAVING to root and unlock to get rid of lagging, I'm concerned about keeping this. I have a feeling that up to date custom ROM's will not be made for any extended length of time for this...and when the the last strong ROM developer loses interest, I'll be left with whatever his/her last version was, since the stock ROM will likely still be laggy. Seriously considering turning this in to get an N10 instead. Just a pity to have to give up the dock, extra battery, expandable storage in order to do this...

Ugh.... Oh well. Time to go make dinner. Will ponder some more later tonight... :(

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OK...this is good to read. Making my decision easier...
[Nexus 10 General] MMcCraryNJ:
I may not be the best source about this since I've never owned the TF700, for any Transformer tablet for that matter. However, last month I was at Staples, bored, and they had a display Infinity sitting there. Figured I'd play around with it to see how much 10 inch tablets had improved since my original Galaxy Tab 10.1 (I sold it in June to get the Nexus 7 in July).

I rebooted the thing to clear anything out and then used it for 15-20 minutes, which I admit isn't a very long time. It was OK but the experience was nowhere near as fluid as my Nexus 7. I just got the Nexus 10 today and have been playing with it for the last several hours, and I have to tell you the experience is really night and day. Everything is just better on the N10. It flies. The screen is really that gorgeous. Outside of Chrome (which we know is an issue with Chrome) I'm hard pressed to find any noticeable lag. Apps spring open nearly instantly.

To me, it's no question. If you can live without the keyboard dock (and some people can't, and that's perfectly alright too), get the Nexus 10. No contest.
[Nexus 10 General] jonstrong:
The dock keyboard is actually too small for me to touch type on... The battery in the dock is nice, the dock makes a nice stand for the tablet, and I can hunt/peck on the small keyboard. But for any volume input, I have to take the Infinity off the dock and use Swype. Net: no advantage for me in having a keyboard on the TF700 dock.

I really *want* to like the Infinity enough to keep it, but I think I'd wind up using the N10 a lot more...
[Nexus 10 General] E-MAC:
I have both - the N10 came today and I've had the TF700 since it came out. My fear was that the N10 would arrive and I'd be like "meh, the TF700 is just as good." Well, for my purposes I can already tell the N10 is hands down better. Little things like the rear facing speaker and slow I/O always prevented me from totally enjoying the experience with the TF700. CleanROM significantly improved the experience, but it still doesn't measure up to what I have before me now. To me, unless you need the keyboard dock or more than 32GB of storage, the N10 is an easy choice. This is the tablet I wanted the TF700 to be. Just my $.02, and as always to each their own.
[Nexus 10 General] Mikeparakh:
Well the Nexus looks like a clear winner at the moment. I could live without the keyboard, I did like the storage options though, especially when travelling with my camera. But I suppose an otg cable, usb sd card reader and an external hdd could do the trick?
[Nexus 10 General] moyanous:
How does the Nexus 10 compare to the Infinity in terms of colour reproduction?

Hi

How does the Nexus 10 compare to the Infinity in terms of colour reproduction?

Which is more accurate (not over saturated or washed out)?

Thanks.
[Nexus 10 General] duarian:
I'd say the nexus I did a quick test on both side by side...but this is going to come down to personal taste in the end
[Nexus 10 General] E-MAC:
I'd say the TF700 has a bit more saturation and contrast, but the clarity of the N10 more than makes up for it. I have nothing negative to say about the screen thus far.
[Nexus 10 General] moyanous:
Thanks. Would have clicked "buy" if you said saturation was similar to the infinity.

How about skin tone reproduction on the Nexus?

My main use will be for viewing photos so I'd like to know that photos will look good on it.

Thanks.
[Nexus 10 General] Mikeparakh:
This will also be one of my main uses when travelling. Also storing a selection of favourites on the device, but would also like the ability to transfer the 'non' favourites to an external hard drive.
[Nexus 10 General] E-MAC:
I won't have them both in front of me again until this evening, but I can tell you that when I was looking at photos on the N10, I couldn't believe the level of detail the N10 screen has and how great the photos looked. I showed my girlfriend a picture we took of a sunset while on vacation, with a CAMERA PHONE, and her response was simply "WOW". I honestly don't see how anyone could be disappointed once they see the clarity of their photos on the N10 - they're amazing. I'd say if your main use is viewing photos, definitely the N10.

When I previously stated that the color saturation was a bit better on the TF700, I was comparing web sites with graphic images...and the difference was only slightly noticeable.
[Nexus 10 General] cwoodard73:
I no longer have an Infinity, so I can't compare them that way for you, but I am a portrait photographer on the side and I can tell you how it compares to my calibrated wide gamut monitor. As previous poster mentioned the clarity on the Nexus 10 is amazing. Pictures look GORGEOUS. Tack sharp. I would say colors are a touch warmer, and the oranges are a little more saturated than my calibrated monitor, but not extreme or to the point of making photos look bad. Actually, the outdoor fall pics I'm looking at right now just look even more "fall" like. Skin tones still look good. Hope that helps.
[Nexus 10 General] pierrekid:
Well what i can tell you is that by posting this is the Nexus 10 forums, you are gonna get a biased vote. If you want a true unbiased vote post this in the xda general. As for the screen, Go online and look at the actual comparisons for the screen resolution. Every single reviewer including anandtech, cnet, engadget, mobileburn, theandroidguy and a multitude of others have said the same thing...there is no difference in display quality and in some cases, the infinity's screen looks sharper. Like i said, you aren't going to get an honest vote here, head over to the general, post this same thread and take a look at ACTUAL comparison reviews and you will see alot of posters here just have tunnel vision. Good luck!

Also another HUGE benefit to the infinity is the super IPS mode. It modifies the screen so that you can actual view the infinity outdoors in the sunlight. The N10 is absolutely horrible outside.

[EDIT] Just to give you an example, look at the quotes from these popular android review sites...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411972,00.asp

"If the Galaxy Note's 1,280-by-800 screen is too low-resolution for you, the 1,920-by-1,200 Asus Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 is the way to go. Like the Nexus 10, it struggles with a lack of apps. But it's the same $499 price as the Nexus 10 for a 32GB model, with a better camera, better screen, and better battery life."

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/

"The resolution is indeed quite nice but in many ways, the Super IPS+ panel on the ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 is even nicer, and other than that new keyboard there's nothing much in Android 4.2 to get excited about right now. Of course, the true beauty of the Nexus line is that when 4.3 rolls around this slate will be the first to get it, and that is certainly worth something. But is it worth enough to make up for this tablet's other shortcomings?"

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...ometimes-its-possible-to-have-too-many-pixels

"The overarching tale with the Nexus 10 seems to be specs above all else. Yes, the screen has an almost inconceivable resolution — but in practice, the 1920×1200 Asus Transformer Pad Infinity will probably look better, thanks to higher brightness and contrast. Yes, there’s a brand new CPU inside, clocked at an impressive 1.7GHz, but games will still have a lower framerate than an iPad, iPhone, or some Snapdragon-powered smartphones. Is Android 4.2 only slick and responsive when backed by the Cortex-A15? No way"
[Nexus 10 General] duarian:
An unbiased opinion? Almost all of the people who posted their opinion have or currently own both tablets. I'm not sure how much more of a factual opinion is needed.
[Nexus 10 General] Manan1:
I can't decide between these 2 either but the nexus 10 seems to be the clear winner
[Nexus 10 General] pierrekid:
Lol and the fact that you believe almost every person that posted actual had or has both tablets is very ignorant. I believe actual pictorial and video reviews from people having both tablets in hand. These review sites actually sit down and show you on video the displays and performance and they all say the same thing my friend. I prefer video and picture proof rather than just a random posters words. I can say right now that i have every android tablet ever made... doesn't mean its true. Now if i posted a video showing myself in a room with every android tablet ever made, then maybe there might be reason too. Facts are facts, just because the spec sheet says the resolution is better in terms of numbers, doesnt mean it actually is in real time use, and obviously respected websites like Engadget and many others agree.

Also like i mentioned in the post above, this is a nexus 10 forum. So of course everyone here either owns a nexus 10, is thinking about getting one, or has gotten rid of one. So there is going to be alot of bias. I myself got one ( was disappointed and gave it to my sister as a gift) which is why im here. If the OP truly wants an unbiased review, he should go to the general section. I promise you that if he were to post this same thread in the infinity section the numbers on that poll would be reversed.

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Again, look at where this poll is being posted lol. Of course its going to seem the clear winner. I would actually be really weird is it wasnt the clear winner... in the nexus 10 forum. If you look at actual review sites that compare the two side by side on video, the results are VERY different...
[Nexus 10 General] Tomatoes8:
LOL don't listen to this biased fool. He listed the only three reviews that are moronic enough to agree with him. Those are literally the only 3, that is the sad part. Lol