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[Nexus 4 General] ed10000:
digweed4me - your Quadrant result is the first one I've seen with such 2D test score. In every other benchmark I've seen, it's around what petergoogle got. Definitely good news, but what might be the reason?

Thanks! Have been waiting for Linpack for quite some time now. :)

Again, that's way too less. Optimus G and Droid DNA both score around 280-300 MFLOPS.

For some reason, the N4 scores so much lower in the CPU tests compared to other S4 Pro devices. Possible issues (or ruled out ones):

Benchmarks are not unoptimized - Ruled Out - Both Optimus G and Droid DNA score as expected in the same benchmarks

Thermal throttling ONLY - Ruled Out - A single run of Quadrant CPU tests or Linpack would NO WAY be enough to kick in thermal throttling

Benchmarks not optimized for Android 4.2 - Possible - only way we'll know is by comparing 4.1 and 4.2 benchmarks of, say, Galaxy Nexus, and see if CPU performance (at least in benchmarks) has dropped. Anyone with a GNex handy here?

If anyone else has any other theory, please share!
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
The Nexus 4 is using the Linux 3.4 Kernel while all other phones are still using the 3.0 Kernel
[Nexus 4 General] jak3z:
My antutu result
[Nexus 4 General] manlisten:
The Optimus G pulls down ~7500 on Quadrant, 11000 on Antutu. I don't think there is a hardware issue. Really think these phones are running on a buggy kernel.
[Nexus 4 General] astalavista_thes:
Single Thread:

Multi Thread:
[Nexus 4 General] ed10000:
"Inconsistent Result"?! That means there was an error! Do you get the same every time you run the multi-thread benchmark?
[Nexus 4 General] astalavista_thes:
No. Just uploaded the wrong screenshot :o. I re-ran the multi-thread test an edited my original post with the updated result.
[Nexus 4 General] dbgeek:
For comparison purposes: Antutu score for my LGOG.
[Nexus 4 General] dbgeek:
And quadrant score (app won't let me attach 2 images)...
[Nexus 4 General] dbgeek:
I apologize for the extra post. The app is acting wonky on my phone.
[Nexus 4 General] trillo69:
Well, definately LGOG and Nexus 4 are not the same phone with slight differences.
[Nexus 4 General] abe in space:
Please, do not go into any hard sciences.
[Nexus 4 General] Ranguvar:
Also curious to find the problem with benchmarks, I suspect it's not just the throttling if even freezer results of a lot of people don't compare to the Optimus G.

It's incredibly rare to have a kernel regression that causes a performance impact in a variety of tests, I doubt that also.

Can someone observe clock speed and voltage as they test, see if it hits the same speeds consistently as the Opt. G?
[Nexus 4 General] digweed4me:
I think cause I enabled 4x msaa under developer settings
[Nexus 4 General] ross1998:
lol maybe that guy wasnt joking when he said LG uses the bad left over processors from LGOG
[Nexus 4 General] trillo69:
That's what I meant. Since throttling is not the cause of low benchmarking (check the freezer benchmark few pages ago), maybe It's because some other hardware differences.

Many people hope to get a phone with exact same hardware as LGOG just because they have same chipset...
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
another guess:

The the Dalvic VM is slow in certain areas.

Linpack: runs on top of the Dalvic VM ---> less then half the score of devices with the same SoC

Geekbench: runs native code ---> scores comparable to devices with the same SoC

Edit:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.into.stability&hl=en App is also abke to measure "mflops" but runs native code,

could someone run the single and multi-threaded and post the results.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
hopefully we can have a LGOG tear down from ifixit so we can see what's different inside.
[Nexus 4 General] Ranguvar:
They're not wrong for hoping that! All the essential hardware matches up, something very wonky is going on.

Yes, I expect an Alienware and a custom built PC to perform the same if they have the same CPU, GPU, RAM, and motherboard...
[Nexus 4 General] TonyHoyle:
Running Quadrant my GNex on 4.2 running stock gets 2180. The app claims it should get 2500+.

So either (a) 4.2 slowed it down, or (b) loads of people are running these tests on overclocked phones and pushing the results up, making comparisons pointless.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
Maybe :laugh:

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stock kernel on Gnex always get about 2100-2500 on 4.0 and 4.1 too so its not the 4.2 update :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] ed10000:
But the Galaxy Nexus running 4.2 would be using the Linux 3.4 Kernel too, right?

Thanks! Do you by any chance remember what you used to get with the same device on 4.1?

Interesting. Quadrant CPU scores are a little more than half of Optimus G's too.

Thanks a lot for the link to the app as well. Looks good, had never seen it before! So, could someone please try out Stability Test app and report the single core/multi core MFLOPS results? :)
[Nexus 4 General] Ranguvar:
No, it doesn't. But I'm hesitant to blame the kernel. A _ton_ of regression testing goes into that. Maybe a problem with a Google patch or compiled unoptimized though..
[Nexus 4 General] sarni84:
Here is single

And here is multi

And I also did the CPU and GPU test and it would never go above 1134 MHz my guess is thermal throttling .....suxsix this thing gets hit way to easy. I also think 4.2 attributed something to that also. My s3 after the T-Mobile jb update got almost 6200 consistently and was not affected by thermal throttling as easy

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[Nexus 4 General] TonyHoyle:
Just a scheduler change could explain it - just reserve more time to the UI and lower the priority of apps that try to take all the CPU (like, for example, benchmarks).

Unless someone compiles up a kernel with different settings though that's difficult to test.
[Nexus 4 General] ed10000:
That was quick, thanks! Now we wait for LG Optimus G scores for the same test. :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
Even a test of a Dual-Core S4 phone like the American Galaxy S3 could be helpful, since their single threaded performance should be the same.
[Nexus 4 General] sarni84:
Yea no problem it's shame because I really have not been able to get great benchmarks but my god when I say this phone is blazingly fast it is fast! Evening you do is instant. I would like touch responsiveness to be a little Better but this phone is backed by Google so I know there are updates in the future..... Benchmarks don't mean **** yes it should get what it's brother og is getting (same soc ) that's why I think software might have something to do with it idk all I can say it's real world performance is great..... After all that's all that matters right???

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The wife has that and she is working when she gets home i can do it if no one else does it
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
WOW cpu throttling to 1100 after 1:15 minute and its 28Nm cpu :eek:

my s2 with crappy stock kernel + 40Nm cpu took 3:10 minute @ 1.2 then throttled down and ur battery seems a bit hot my batt after 3 minute still @33 :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Android police said there is no throttling.

The fact that benchmarks are showing low scores is purely software issues - maybe these actual benchmark apps don't play nicely on 4.2? (Maybe its the apps that need updating, and not a 4.2 bug)

Droid DNA with the s4 pro and 2gb gets 14,500 on antutu

Padfone 2 with s4 pro and 2gb gets over 15,000 on an tutu

Nexus 4 with s4 pro and 2gb gets 9000 on antutu, even in the freezer - its only managed 10k - so, its not a throttling issue.

These other phones get 8000 on quadrant, N4 gets 4000's
[Nexus 4 General] TonyHoyle:
No *thermal* throttling.

It's not hard to imagine a kernel that looks at a benchmark app trying to eat CPU and battery, flags it as 'rogue' and throttles it to death...
[Nexus 4 General] sarni84:
See that is just the thing becausei know this phone is an absolute beast ..... this phone is fast very fast. Everything is very responsive and not one bit of lag....... at all.I definitely think it is software related to as i started in a few posts back. it has to be
[Nexus 4 General] waqsuk:
Here's mine, everything standard
[Nexus 4 General] MDaveUK:
I would definitely say its kernel related. Maybe not so much the 3.0 to 3.4 kernel, but possibly a new governor used.

The fact people seem to notice no lag during real use, like when using the launcher, or scrolling around in menus, but the benchmarks are about half what they should be, seems to indicate the governor dedicates far more CPU time to the UI and touch events.

Here is something worth trying: Get an app like "Antutu CPU Master", open the app up, and where it shows the current CPU speed in green, touch your screen and move your finger around to see the CPU speed ramp up.

Report to us the highest you see it go.

If you notice it starts to get lower and lower, this would indicate thermal throttling of at least the CPU.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
wow i just saw this : http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=34224171&postcount=85

:eek:
[Nexus 4 General] klin1344:
That is quite interesting. I wonder if there was a specific reason why Google wanted to set the temperature threshold 6C lower than the LGOG, or Google just wanted to keep at extremely conservative values. Either way, when I get a Nexus 4 I'll be sure to look into the issue.
[Nexus 4 General] MDaveUK:
Anybody knows what or where this config file is? So we can compare too?
[Nexus 4 General] klin1344:
It *might* be /system/etc/thermald.conf.

I'm not 100% sure though as I don't have a phone.
[Nexus 4 General] Guster730:
I've stopped caring about benchmarks. All I care about is real life use and everyone says it's super smooth.
[Nexus 4 General] Cactus42:
Nobody cares about benchmarks if they're using equipment normally. It's like these people who think that their PC's 3DMark score matters.
[Nexus 4 General] MDaveUK:
The nexus 4 uses Li-Polymer batteries, but the Optimus G uses Li-ion batteries according to Wikipedia.

I wonder if this difference in battery technology makes the difference?

LG have to make sure the battery does not go above a certain temperature because of the battery being more sensitive to damage compared to Li-Ion batteries?
[Nexus 4 General] Ranguvar:
It is the best way of getting an objective measure of speed though, and if there are potential N4 issues, let's look into them.

If I bought a new PC graphics card and got a 3DMark score several thousand points lower than expected, you can bet I'd be looking into it too.
[Nexus 4 General] muyoso:
Android Police doesn't know its ass from a hole in the wall then. Brian Klug over at anandtech proved beyond a shadow of a doubt there is thermal throttling.
[Nexus 4 General] sarni84:
If only we could get these frequency's to lock..... Ktoonsez! Where are you!
[Nexus 4 General] klin1344:
^ Hahaha
[Nexus 4 General] muyoso:
Its seriously easy to for anyone to see if their Nexus 4 is throttling. Start up CPUSpy, clear the stats thing, go and run any benchmark. Then go back to CPUSpy and look at the state table. If the CPU isn't dominantly at 1.5ghz, then its probably throttling.
[Nexus 4 General] Jayrod1980:
From what I've read, li-polymer hold less charge than lithium ion batteries, but are smaller in size so theoretically you can have more in a smaller area AND they are not flammable so they don't need to be cased in metal and don't need a protection circuit to keep them from bursting into flames. They also last longer than lithium ion batteries, which begin to degrade immediately, whether they are used or not. Thus... you would think the battery's thermal threshold on the polymer batteries would be HIGHER than the ion ones. Maybe this is something google can fix.

After doing some more reading... lithium polymer are the future. They charge much faster, and depending on the way they are made, last much much longer than lithium ion or other batteries. Though they can't hold as high as charge as ion, they are smaller, flexible, and thus you can fit more battery size wise in a smaller area. This is a reason why Apple and others are using them. If you remember Apple made a huge stink about their new "special" batteries in their MacBooks that charge must faster than other laptop batteries, etc. This is also probably why they can make an iPad with an over 11,000mah battery and retain the dimensions it has.
[Nexus 4 General] mi7chy:
Benchmarks are useless and misleading. They also overheat your phone and cause damage.
[Nexus 4 General] muyoso:
What is potentially a bit scary is that there will be a ridiculous incentive to raise the thermal cutoff by developers, because it will DRASTICALLY increase benchmark scores and make their kernel/rom look awesome and its as simple as modifying thermald.conf. Since the thermal cutoff is relying solely on the temperature of the battery, it would be prudent to understand exactly why the cutoff was set so low. Wouldn't want to potentially damage batteries or reduce their lifespan.

That said, wasn't LG advertising their new Lithium Polymer battery for the Optimus G? If its essentially the same battery, which it certainly seems like, I wonder if there is something more than just the battery in play here, or maybe LG thought that they could lower the throttling threshold and make their flagship Optimus G seem faster when reviewed. . .
[Nexus 4 General] Christian Troy:
What if you bench using performance governor or userspace (setting cpufreq_cur_speed to 1.5 GHz for all four cores)?
[Nexus 4 General] MDaveUK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Q8E5dzyxg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Looks like your correct :)

Since the batteries are identical, like the rest of the insides, using the thermald.conf from the optimus g should get us similar battery and performance?

Problem solved? :)
[Nexus 4 General] Ranguvar:
I say let them, just let's be sure to post warnings everywhere.

Hopefully we can do at least a little tweaking, maybe use the Optimus G's config like was suggested.
[Nexus 4 General] ed10000:
Any updates guys?
[Nexus 4 General] ed10000:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_att_sprint-review-851p5.php

HOLY CRAP! Look at the Linpack score over there!
[Nexus 4 General] xxMAGICxx:
Holy moly, those scores are insane!
[Nexus 4 General] SpartanTech:
sweet, I still can't get over, a 1.5 quad core!
[Nexus 4 General] InvalidUsername:
Lol its barely better than gnex. In fact, the only thing I notice is the 2gb of ram (apps are rarely ever closed by the os). Android is a legacy OS, face it. Java? Virtual machine? Really? Dual core iOS, WP8, and BB10 are all smoother.
[Nexus 4 General] ncvikingx97:
Legacy is an over statement. It might not be as smooth, but technically blackberries, windows phone (:windows mobile so not really the same), and iOS are older. As much as I want to think that the nexus 4 isn't much better than the galaxy nexus, you are the only person who thinks so
[Nexus 4 General] astalavista_thes:
+1
[Nexus 4 General] wngmv:
I ran GLbenchmark on both Nexus4 (just delivered) and a 2 day old Note II. Note II has much faster response (the benchmark ran faster), but in Egypt HD N4 is much smoother, has much better framerate.

That's the conclusion for me. The score doesn't matter. N4 should be ok.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
dude the problem is not the os ( but android is more source hogger than IOS or WP because java is sucks ass ) there is real problem with the N4

my s2 @ stock cpu clock get about 1500ms in chrome ( its sucks browser on AOSP browser i get 1390ms ) and N4 get 1850 O_o my s2 get 131000 in browsermark 1 and N4 get 90000 my s2 get about 1900 on browsermark 2 which is same as N4 :eek::eek:
[Nexus 4 General] Ajfink:
I got just over 10k in Antutu. Definitely a little disappointing.
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
Has anyone tried with "Antutu 3.0"?
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
Antutu 3.0 not released yet :silly:

edit : found it ( its preview build) :p

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2001483

edit 2 : HMM not bad :D
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
Nice to see this!

So, it's possibile for you that the result with the previous versions of Antutu was incorrect?

I mean, Nexus4 has a very new kernel and probably Antutu old versions did not support it well, is it possible?
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
I got a score of 17077 on v3
[Nexus 4 General] astalavista_thes:
I've got 17888 on v3 with Nexus 4. Brilliant.
[Nexus 4 General] mastergamer99:
I wish we could see a sgs3 benchmark to compare with.
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
This would be very useful!
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
I have a gs3 international version, but its a home atm, i can do a test soon :)
[Nexus 4 General] Audioboxer:
It seems scores are going up for other phones as well, waiting with caution - I still think there are software/kernel issues with the Nexus 4 that Google/LG need to fix.
[Nexus 4 General] mastergamer99:
Also seems like the android version has a bigger impact on the score now.

With the old antutu benchmark my P920 was always on par with the Galaxy S2 (even with the non g version), now (iam still stuck to gb) die S2 destroys my P920.
[Nexus 4 General] ncvikingx97:
I'll check if my gnex score went up

Don't think it did

Sent from my Verizon galaxy nexus
[Nexus 4 General] astalavista_thes:
I got this screenshot from the version 3 of antutu. This ranking board is the one that the antutu team provides with the application to compare your score with famous devices. I make clear that the Nexus 4 that is shown is not my nexus 4 but it is the value that antutu gives for nexus 4 (what a surprise my own score is almost identical). So if i understand correctly, the entry named 'Samsung Galaxy SIII' represents the score for SIII and we can say that we have a good estimation for the SIII's score. I suppose that these scores where calculated using v3.
[Nexus 4 General] dcarpenter85:
I'm very satisfied with my phone's performance. I am on AT&T by the way.
[Nexus 4 General] dbgeek:
Got a pm asking me to run the MFLOPS tests, in Stability Test, on my LGOG.
[Nexus 4 General] dbgeek:
Prior test was run with my phone set to eco-mode. I'm not sure that it makes a difference, but I reran the "All Cores" test getting slightly better performance.
[Nexus 4 General] rabbit140:
We've got some decent results over there... That will definitely make me sleep better :)

So unhappy people, stop *****ing now, will you?
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
Thanks for the Optimus G Stabilty test scores, they basically prove that the processor in the Nexus 4 is as fast as the one in the Optimus G.

Linpack on the other hand ran in the Dalvic virtual maschine which seems to be way slower then on the Optimus G, which is the root cause of bad CPU scores in Antutu and Quadrant.

Stability Test Optimus G:

939mflops

http://dl.xda-developers.com/attach.../0/0/6/9/3/uploadfromtaptalk1353528183694.jpg

Stability Test Nexus 4:

936mflops

http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/sarni84/Screenshot_2012-11-17-14-09-27.png

Linpack Optimus G: 615mflops

http://makeitandroid.com/droidup/images/sprint-optimus-g-benchmarks-and-hardware-testing_atmhg_4.jpg

Linpack Nexus 4: 132mflops

http://www10.pic-upload.de/21.11.12/24anoitvifdf.png
[Nexus 4 General] luka_w:
Hi all. I'm interested myself in this device and primary question I have, after all this low scores benchmarks:

why won't anybody did benchmarks on 4.1 vs 4.2 yet ??

that'd be the answer for all our doubts, isn't? (or there are but i haven't noticed) ?

now, every one is only speculating about the software issues;
[Nexus 4 General] Girn:
Hey guys, how come my nexus is only getting 14k on v3 of antutu? I have nothing else running in task manager and I ran it twice..

I notice CPU spy reports the phone using 1000-1100mhz a lot more.. Throttling. But I haven't played any games on the phone yet
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
Hm , is it hot?,

I mean check out my thread here, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2009311

I ran all these benches one after the other and scored very high in all of them, including glbenchmark
[Nexus 4 General] ed10000:
Yes, Linpack (that runs on Dalvik VM) scores on Nexus 4 are a joke.

Look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns3FQ5Amplk#t=01m56s - Droid DNA and Optimus G score more in Linpack SINGLE thread test than the Nexus 4 in Linpack MULTI thread test. Wow. :eek:
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
btw if anyone wants to see these benchs in action, check out the video http://youtu.be/rimEV1Ou_WU
[Nexus 4 General] Black River:
The highest score I have seen for N4. My GPU scores only 1523. This is a very big difference..
[Nexus 4 General] ed10000:
That's from Antutu 3.0, and I suspect you're using 2.9.4.
[Nexus 4 General] Black River:
Right! Thank you!
[Nexus 4 General] illcodeforfood:
Mine scores 17998 with antutu. Isbthis normal?
[Nexus 4 General] uberNoobZA:
I am wondering if Google has set the thermal throttling values to limit the amount of phones they may have to replace due to overheating? Maybe LG is happy with a higher failure rate on their optimus...
[Nexus 4 General] gohan040:
No ,this is not normal, send it back.......:banghead:

Sent from my GT-I9450
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
Will I am sure their priority is not benchmarks. Personally I could give a crap about a benchmark as long add the phone functions as it should.

If they ate throttling the CPU so it does not it overheat I am good with it. Once rooted we can make these tweaks ourselves and I an sure we will be seeing high benchmarks. I would rather have a reliable and safe phone though than a high bench.

I wonder though, it does seem like the glad back would not let great escape so well but they must have taken that into account. Perhaps that is why the new iPhone has the metal back.

sent via xda premium with nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] jspookss:
This was the best I could do
[Nexus 10 General] nixkid:
So we know that there seems to have been a problem with US orders placed between 11:30 - 11:35 AM EST. I'm trying to get a better idea of what time orders were placed for people who have not gotten their tablets yet to see if any trends emerge. Lets arm ourselves with information so that we can help Google assist us.

So if you haven't received a tracking number yet please list your country, timezone and time your order went through and if you received an email order receipt on the 13th.

I'll start off

Country: US

Date: Nov 13th

Time: 11:34 AM - Eastern

Order Status: Pending

Email Receipt: did not receive an order receipt.
[Nexus 10 General] chiccitstix:
I just copied and pasted your info since it is exactly the same:

Country: US

Date: Nov 13th

Time: 11:34 AM - Eastern

Order Status: Pending

Email Receipt: did not receive an order receipt
[Nexus 10 General] JasonU:
nevermind.
[Nexus 10 General] nixkid:
Yep 100% positive. Thats the time it says my order went through on google wallet.
[Nexus 10 General] JasonU:
Heh, beat me to it. I read some other threads and realized my mistake. :)
[Nexus 10 General] gary1203:
Country: US

Date: Nov 13th

Time: 8:49 AM PST = 11:49 EST

Order Status: Pending

Email Receipt: Received receipt at 9:23 AM PST
[Nexus 10 General] myeyez:
Exact same for me.
[Nexus 10 General] drcujo:
I'm still pending and ordered Tuesday morning. Seems like quite a few people still haven't got shipping confirmation. Since many have gotten the notice much later then when Google actually shipped it. Some people received shipping last night and got the device today.

Delivery at least in canada is 3-5 business days. I ordered a nexus 7 close to release and it took 5 business days total.

Personally I think people are making a big deal out of it. This doesn't seem out of the ordinary from my other ordering experience with Google and other online retailers. Not yet anyway.
[Nexus 10 General] UCSB:
Two 32GB Units, Two Order Times

Country: US

Date: Nov 13th

Time: 9:38 AM Pacific; 9:48 AM Pacific

Order Status: Shipped Both Orders on FRIDAY

Email Receipt: Received ONE order receipt; ONE order no receipt.

Delivery: MONDAY in SF Bay Area (Shipped from Louisville, KY)