yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
I'm not convinced SDS and half SDS are even related.
[Galaxy S III General] Rob2222:
They could. Maybe. Maybe the difference is which area of the eMMC is broken. If it hits the bootloader, we will have a full black screen or full sudden death.

On the other way, maybe sometimes the bootloader area on the eMMC is still fine, so the S3 loads the bootlader, shows the logo but stuck then there, trying to load the firmware.

At least thats the way I assume it is.

BR

Rob
[Galaxy S III General] -A-P-M-:
So there is still sudden death with XXELLA?
[Galaxy S III General] Product F(RED):
The bootloader, as far as I know, is stored on a separate chip. That's why people can get into Download mode when they have SDS, and the status will say "CUSTOM", because the bootloader can't read what firmware is on the eMMC.
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
Where have u seen/heard the bootloader is stored on a separate chip ?

thks
[Galaxy S III General] Product F(RED):
In a computer, the BIOS is stored on a chip on the motherboard. In the case of Android devices, the bootloader also acts as the BIOS (a bootloader starts up the operating system, the BIOS starts up the devices plugged into the motherboard). It has to be that way, otherwise when you get SDS, the phone would be hard bricked permanently. You wouldn't be able to go into Download Mode and the phone wouldn't even turn on.
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
That's make sense.

But in a computer the BIOS is stored on a chip and the OS on disk (Hard/SSD) . For phone, the "disk" is the chip (emmc).

It would be possible that the bootloader is on a part of the emmc and others OS partions on other parts. And SDS corruption/bug happens

sometimes on the part where the bootloader is and others where the OS is , would'nt it ?
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
BIOS and Bootloader are not the same. Windows Master Boot record (MBR), Windows boot manager and Linux Grub bootloader are all on the hard disk of a computer

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Could be...

It's so annoying that all we can do is guess.
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
Yes I fully agree

Don(t fully agree, this is something that must be known ...
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
I don't understand. All I said is its a shame we don't know anything for a fact. All we have are guesses.
[Galaxy S III General] Product F(RED):
BIOS is on it's own chip on the motherboard. Similar to when you flash a bad bootloader to your device, the only way to recovery from a bad BIOS flash on a computer is to JTAG it or replace the chip or motherboard (usually the latter given the amount of work). The bootloader is installed on the hard drive by the OS and is higher-level than the BIOS. You can also replace the original bootloader, such as install GRUB over the Windows Bootloader. The BIOS is not touched. The ONLY way to screw with the BIOS on a PC is by manually attempting to flash/update it. If you screw up while doing it through the OS (after the computer has booted), you keep trying to flash it until it's successful. The reason being that the BIOS's job is to initialize the components in the computer. If you're already in Windows when you screw up flashing the BIOS (usually through the manufacturer's program), the computer will continue running. If, however you turn it off/restart it, the BIOS is corrupt, so the computer will not be able to turn on properly/at all. On Android devices, the bootloader also acts as the BIOS. The fact that it turns on even with SDS is evidence that it's stored somewhere other than the eMMC chip.

Yup, that's what I said.
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Cool. sboot.bin (bootloader) flashes to mmcblk0p1. All partitions are on blk0
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
Yes , I misspoke, what I meant is "this is something that should be possible to know"... (sorry for my english)
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Ah ok gotcha. Yes its possible to know, but we need more than what we have now... Hopefully each little discovery will get us there, however without Samsung, I think chances are slim.
[Galaxy S III General] Product F(RED):
If you want to know how a bootloader works, read this. It's a little old but it's accurate: http://elinux.org/Android_Booting
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
Without Samsung .... but WITH XDA forum , chances are less slim :good: :)

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Original question was not on linux bootloader but on the location of SG3 bootloader :angel:
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
I sincerely hope you're not ignoring my post and posting this for my benefit ;)

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The S3's bootloader is on partition 1 of the eMMC chip. mmcblk0p1
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
Yes that s what I read somewhere : /dev/block/mmcblk0p1
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
You may have read it in here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2081748
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
It is quite possible , 90% of that I know comes from the XDA forum :good:

SDS has one advantage ... it permit us (me) to learn about android phone :)
[Galaxy S III General] Jovica666:
My 10 cents

Just like the rest of you I think that Samsung needs to go public and let us know what is happening, can it be fixed of all of us have the grim reaper over our potentially affected devices. For example in June I bought 2 SGS3 while in the U.S and paid $1500 (Int.model-no warranty from Amazon.com). I understand that most of the SGS3 owners will have their devices fixed under warranty or by their carrier but what happens with the rest of us who don`t even have an official Samsung service center in their country - like me, or many, many of you... I live in Macedonia and the nearest Samsung service center is in Belgrade, Serbia (500km), or Athens, Greece (800km). If these reported freeze ups lead to a sudden death then these are the last 2 Samsung items I`ve bought. EVER.The only thing that will make me reconsider and put a Samsung device on my choice list is if they acknowledge the issue with their flagship phone and replace them all in case of SDS with or without warranty. It is their mistake and It`s not a cigarette box - it`s a frickin` expensive smartphone, the most advanced&expensive on the market couple months back when it came out. Just for the record I love Android and my S3, I hate Apple, I despise every device they`ve made so far and now a lot of people may go against my claims but what I`m saying is if our phones die so soon after purchase then Samsung maybe surpassed Apple in number of devices sold but for sure they didn`t passed them in terms of durability and quality as I was hoping back in June when I bought my phone and until few weeks ago.
[Galaxy S III General] blyx21:
Mine also dont have samsung warranty. Coz samsung with warranty here in my country is higher price than grey units. Almost $200 difference. I bought 2 gs3 and 1 note2 last december and all are affected with this chip. If I only knew this bug earlier I wouldn't buy the 16th version instead the 32gb one.
[Galaxy S III General] Jovica666:
I always knew it is too good to be true...the gt-i9300 just had to have some trigger to commit suicide...and if it does that is sum of $2100(One dead HTC One X + 2 SGS3(god forbid) )for a half year-GOOD JOB smartphone manufacturers. I think after that ill stick to my old Nokia N900...
[Galaxy S III General] sak500:
I see where you are coming from. Before S3 I bought 2 iphones 4 on ebay back in 2010 and an LG optimus 3D in 2011. I used them for more then a year before selling or giving one i4 to wife. Cant imagine if any of these had broken then I would be in problem due to no warranty. Luckily I had cancelled my online preorder for s3 as it was first launched in dubai first in may. So I picked it uo on 24th may. Rest is in my signature. Wish samsung would acknowledge this and issue blanket free repairs like ms did for xbox 360
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
Hopefully it is not as widespread as the Xbox 360 problem...

Galaxy S3

Omega Rom V37
[Galaxy S III General] shethsa:
Bye bye sudden death. Hello note 2. Purchased from Sammy's cash refund of my s3.
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
How much credit towards note did u receive?

Galaxy S3

Omega Rom V37
[Galaxy S III General] shethsa:
Invoice value of my s3. But it was a huge and frustrating struggle.
[Galaxy S III General] ponepo:
Be careful! Some of the Note2 have the VTU00M chip with fw 0xf1 :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] dajumper:
Yes but the s3 have a fix! The note also then whit new firmware
[Galaxy S III General] shethsa:
Thx for the warning. So mines the same chip but fw is 0xf7. So I guess I'm safe
[Galaxy S III General] bahaazein:
Sudden death fix

How could we flash it if the the phones is totally dead, like there is no battery in it
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
What?
[Galaxy S III General] camil:
hey guys, there is an update to eMMC Brickbug Check app. It adds information about SDS on our SIII
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Cannot.
[Galaxy S III General] tsitska:
I Have already dead S3,

how can I repair my device?

which part (chip) from my device mainboard must I change?

and where to bye?
[Galaxy S III General] drakester09:
It's better to replace the whole main board.

If you had the skills and knowledge necessary to replace the emmc you would already know that it's the damaged part and where to buy...
[Galaxy S III General] tsitska:
I don't have such skills to replace the emmc,

But no one can repair my device in Georgia, they says to buy new mainboard,

I'm interested where to buy eMMC in internet,
[Galaxy S III General] moujibzinc:
I've searched the net and it seems that no one is selling galaxy s3 eMMC .

Google "parts4repair" and look for galaxy s3 spare parts , they seem to have SII and Note II eMCC's but not SIII .

Good luck
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

App "eMMC-Check" got an update. Now it tells if you have sane or insane eMMC on your S3. Lol

Taper di Tap with my S3 @192 days
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
yes, however mine says "sane" but I have affected firmware.. So (As per the other thread) I wonder how this tests for this...
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

[ironic-on]

You have to do a full wipe in recovery to get the right result.

[ironic-off]

Taper di Tap with my S3 @192 days
[Galaxy S III General] invinciblecc:
Lol mines shows insane chip

So uphill now approzimately how many handset have dies which had pills recovery and new bootloader and patched kernel???

Finally enjoying s3

Yanks kernel

Sotmax v13

Zram enabled

Swap enabled
[Galaxy S III General] InfX:
Guys, are you crazy? I mean, seriously, can you actually imagine someone replacing a fine pitch BGA chip on such a dense piece of PCB? No sane technician is likely to attempt this. Sorry.
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

Thats not true. We had machines for replacing BGA.

Taper di Tap with my S3 @192 days
[Galaxy S III General] donoli74:
I got my sgs 3 today.:( never heard of sudden death before.amazing phone here,amazing phone there...
[Galaxy S III General] cristian274:
custom kernel with XXELLC

Hi guys, are there anyone answer me whether i need to install custom kernel like persues kernel to avoid SDS once i have already update XXELLC ? Because i dont want to void my warranty with red exclaimation mark :crying:
[Galaxy S III General] owl74:
read the op here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2091045

it's a good read for beginners like myself... very good information...
[Galaxy S III General] Helix751:
Finally got a brand new (same) old (new) S3

Got my S3 back today after 5 days of torture (using an Alcatel 918) with a minuscule screen... motherboard replaced btw

eMMC displays

Type: VTU00M

FwRev: 0xf7

Is it finally safe or do I still need to flash a newer ROM and/or kernel?

Thanks

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All this SDS issue remembers me of a funny dialog in Broken Arrow movie that could be adapted as follows:

Giles Prentice: A Sudden what?

Secretary Baird: Sudden Death. It's a Class 4 Strategic Theatre Emergency. It's what we call it when our superduper brand-new Galaxy S3 dies without any warning.

Giles Prentice: I don't know what's scarier, losing a superduper smartphone, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.

LOL
[Galaxy S III General] joanquro:
Did it detect correctly your device?

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[Galaxy S III General] InfX:
Well, indeed, replacing BGA chips isn't impossible. Cost-effectively replace those chips is. And those discussing it just above my post aren't very likely to actually know WTF BGA is. No regular, run of the mill repair lab, is going to be able to do so.
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
a full wipe ..to install ONE app !?

a full wipe ..to install ONE app :( and backup (Titanium ...) before , and restore after !

I don't understand that ? is this a usual method ?

thks

EDIT : Ah yes ironic-on and off are not xda members ! lol
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
No. Me and several others
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
+1 (unistall 1.3 with Titanium and install 1.41)
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Sorry it says samsung m0zs and not "sgs3 sudden death".

Done all the titanium stuff too. No dice
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
samsung m0bu ...
[Galaxy S III General] rezapatel:
+1

Sent from my Galaxy S3
[Galaxy S III General] joanquro:
I did the oranav test and I know that my emmc is bad (result 2). But the app is not detecting my device correctly, so I think that's why it doesn't say my chip is faulty, because it doesn't know what device I have.

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[Galaxy S III General] ahac85:
Does ell4 have the sds fix?
[Galaxy S III General] clin81:
R: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

Me too
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
Yes , look here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2091045
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

I bet that eMMC-Check looks after "m0xx" in build.prop whether your have S3 or not. If it does not find "m0xx" it won't give you the S3 line in results.

EDIT:

eMMC-Check-App got an update. Maybe it works now.

Taper di Tap with my S3 @193 days
[Galaxy S III General] mlvNN:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

Hey im a noob in this the app Shows me exactly the emmc that you Posted now im scared what should i Do now? I just rooted yesterday and only installed a Rom can i Flash a Kernel over IT?
[Galaxy S III General] guitahero:
Guys, There's already an update for those with strange model names in the emmc check app.
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36499838

Taper di Tap with my S3 @193 days
[Galaxy S III General] mlvNN:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

so i should Flash a Kernel?
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

Without knowing what Rom you flashed, how could I be able to help you?

Taper di Tap with my S3 @193 days
[Galaxy S III General] mlvNN:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

sorry...i flashed anonorom.

what should i do now?
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

1: you could have asked in anonorom topic

2: what I read about it, it uses stock kernel

3: stock kernel = safe

4: don't know what recovery you have

5: Not all recoverys are safe

Taper di Tap with my S3 @193 days
[Galaxy S III General] mlvNN:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

i can't write there since im a new member. I think i've the clockwork recovery or how it is called. Yeah i saw IT uses Stock Kernel but i wasn't sure if its Safe or Not.
[Galaxy S III General] T0xic4u:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

ClockWork recovery is NOT safe.

Taper di Tap with my S3 @193 days
[Galaxy S III General] jeffnz:
can I suggest that since you are new that you do some reading first as there is a lot of help for what you are asking. As already said read the thread of the rom you are in as they will know all this.
[Galaxy S III General] mlvNN:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

can i just Flash another over? And if i can which one?
[Galaxy S III General] jeffnz:
read the first post and follow the links
[Galaxy S III General] mlvNN:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

Yeah i already read that but i just wanna know how to replace the recovery? Just Flash a Safe one over IT?
[Galaxy S III General] jeffnz:
if you had read it and followed links you would know all that as it details how to install new recovery for the one you choose.

Reading is your friend
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
Mate, please pay heed to the advice given to you earlier by @jeffnz:

Go read up HowTos and "Flashing for dummies" etc - there are such threads on XDA itself.
[Galaxy S III General] Kjc99:
@mlvnn Search philz patched recovery its just like CWM but it has the fix there in his thread you can get a flashable zip which is very easy task. Do

Galaxy S3

Omega Rom V37
[Galaxy S III General] mlvNN:
AW: **Ultimate GS3 sudden death thread**

Thanks to all of you im gonna Do that later and sorry for my dumbness.
[Galaxy S III General] jeffnz:
you aren't dumb you just need to read first as the information is all there and the questions asked many times.

Just remember that its your phone and the choices of rom and kernels many so read up make you choice and follow the instructions that are usually in the first few posts. Use the search function as its very good and you will most likely find your question has been asked before.
[Galaxy S III General] philicom:
Well the emmc app has been updated, loads of "insane chip" screen shots to follow. :p
[Galaxy S III General] nhariamine:
in latest eMMc brick bug check 1.4.1 i'm on the status of YES.iNSANE CHIP ????

does that mean i'm affected, i'm already on Philz Recovery and Perseus Kernel v31.2 Omega XXELKC.

Please is someone have this status on his S3,

MINE:

-VTU00M

-0xf1

-05/2012

-YES,Insane Chip????WTF
[Galaxy S III General] moujibzinc:
That's normal ! You have the affected emmc model and firm version ! The question now what's the harm level before applying the sds patch.

Read this : http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=36242694&postcount=1881
[Galaxy S III General] pijindrin:
Ups... Since I flashed paranoid Rom my phone restarted twice. Never happenned before! Death is coming

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[Galaxy S III General] hermeson:
Guys, I have swapped 2 mobo with Samsung for sds issue, however both boards came with the same imei, any day how can I set the right imei on one of them?
[Galaxy S III General] Thin_Bezel:
Hello.

Does;XXEMA1 kernel has the fix??

Thanks
[Galaxy S III General] paulwilco:
Hi guys,

My phone died a couple of weeks ago after rooting and installing a custom rom. It was sent to samsung and they repaired it under warranty. If anyone was in any doubt that samsung wont repair rooted phones in the UK I can confirm that they do!
[Galaxy S III General] Helix751:
How would they actually know it was rooted after a SDS methinks .. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
Good to know, I will soon go to uk for a few days ... and may be my S3 will die there :(

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If still boot in download mode they can see, if full bricked they can NOT
[Galaxy S III General] Product F(RED):
Use Hellfire's kTool from the Play Store to back up the one you want to keep, and then restore the backup in the new one. But you can't have two devices with the same IMEI unless one of the boards is being destroyed.

I know this is legal because the service centers will always copy over your IMEI to the new replacement board.
[Galaxy S III General] philgalaxs3:
I don't see Hellfire's kTool on the Play Store ?
[Galaxy S III General] Product F(RED):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.hellcat.droiddev.ktool

Sorry, his name was Hellcat (the developer). The tool is called kTool.
[Galaxy S III General] hermeson:
Spare motherboard for S3 after SDS, brazilian users, talk to me.
[Galaxy S III General] paulwilco:
Just for further info my phone would boot into download mode and it was still fixed under warranty.
[Galaxy S III General] amarsana:
My phone went dead on me in my pocket. It was a champ for a while Running CM10 daily. Poor thing won't even breathe. No Odin download mode, No charge nothing.

The thing is I'm in Mongolia. I bought the poor thing on Ebay in USA. How do I go about getting it fixed?
[Galaxy S III General] Product F(RED):
If it's a US model, it needs to go to Samsung USA (which I think when I called them they said they were in Texas). Thing is, they'll probably only accept it if it's being shipped from a US address.
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
I thought US models were safe?
[Galaxy S III General] pijindrin:
Why should they?

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[Galaxy S III General] pijindrin:
Samsung has provided with a resurrecting option for those who suffered SDS.

http://www.4shared.com/photo/uB29WM46/IMG_20130126_044310.html#

122 days and counting!
[Galaxy S III General] Egan:
My device got a board swap around a week ago. Ever since the device has random reboots, sometimes after 10 minutes other times after 14 hours. It's not rooted, no sim and nothing installed.

This left me with a device even harder to have repaired than a board brick. I can think of scenarios in which I either have my device in repair for a long long time or have it send back to me over and over again with the message that they couldn't find it. So I decided to sell it and buy myself the Sony Xperia Z.

Even though the Sony Xperia Z is a very nice device, I wish I could safe my bucks and be happy with my SGS3.
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
The way the chipset is Qualcomm, memory is also not the same as the I9300.
[Galaxy S III General] amarsana:
Mine actually is the i9300, I can probably send it from an USA address. However will they accept an I9300??? Does anyone know?
[Galaxy S III General] pickandwhammy:
It should be repaired anywhere the I9300 is being sold. But I'm not sure.
[Galaxy S III General] unchainedbrain:
Man Down

I had my S3 woking well for 5 months now when my S3 died yesterday...:crying:

battery was 29%..i put to charge as i had to go out to meet a friend.

after 15 mins when i look at my phone LED flashing blue, Phone not responding, no button working.

Removed battery, reinserted nothing happened.Tried this couple of times without luck.

Took it to the Samsung store, guy said its a mother board problem and no battery issues....My phone at service center, lets see what i get back.

Not buying Samsung anymore, IPhone or a Nexus is a better deal i guess.

Country: India

Firmware : stock, 4.1.1

kernel : stock

not rooted , no custom roms
[Galaxy S III General] aspot72:
Touch wood my baby is ok. Checked the emmc version and is the affected type, but as I said all ok. Have it since last May (I think). No issues with memo card either. Only thing I did was debranding (ex Vodafone). Yesterday got a small (cca 21-23 MB) OTA update, which might be the security patch from Samsung to prevent phone from "death". Oh and im on latest xxella ROM with BTU csc (UK).
[Galaxy S III General] balayogesh:
mine is dead in India

Today after noon my phone was 5%, so i charged it. after 2 hours i went to check my phone. Red LED was glowing but screen dint turn on so i tried power button but no use. So i removed battery and restarted but nothing displayed on screen later. Its dead now. Is this S3 sudden Death.... I was in Indian stock firmware 4.1.1 . My No 9841638389
[Galaxy S III General] danarama:
Yep, sounds like it
[Galaxy S III General] shethsa:
Before taking it to the svc centre take a photo of the small purple square patch under the battery to prove there is no water logging as the centre may very well claim so, to avoid free report under warranty. Else they'll charge you 7200rs.