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[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
This deal isn't really that ideal for many reasons. One, yes it's $9.99 for an extra line, but you also have to pay tax on that line. I pay $8 in taxes on my one line, so let's assume $2 in tax on the additional line. You are now paying $288 for that 24 months. Since you are paying subsidized, you have to pay the $30 activation fee, so now you are only saving $82. If you are doing this for the first time you'll also have to buy a dumb phone, where your best bet is eBay or Craigslist. I can't see you saving much, if any money going this route. Not to mention that now you are locked into a 2 year contract, so if for some reason you need to cancel you have to pay an ETF. If you buy it outright there is no activation fee, you don't have to worry about potential issues with swapping lines, it's much less work, and you can decide to sell it at any time.

That's the thing, Verizon is not making money by selling you a phone for $199, they lose money. The only reason they sell it at a cheaper price is because they get to make it up from you by charging you a monthly fee for 20 months.
[HTC Droid DNA] Despyse:
If you already have the extra line, as in my case, there are no extra costs involved.
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
Yeah the point of this thread is for people with at least 1 other line on their account, sorry.

Also, I'm like 75% sure on this, but incase someone on your account wants to upgrade their dumbphone to another dumbphone, they can use YOUR upgrade, as upgrading to a dumb phone does NOT un-grandfather unlimited data. (I think) Can we get a fact checker? xD

Side note, I'm freakin excited. I've heard good things about the battery so far (from people ACTUALLY USING the phone, not speculators who are like "I'm not getting this phone, it has a minuscule battery, big mistake HTC blabla") and although I've heard the brightness and color depth aren't as good as the iphone and One X (according to review, google "iPhone 5 vs Droid DNA").. I'm coming from a rezound... so either way I'm winning there. I love the screens real estate on the front of the device, no wasted space!! UH Wednesday can't come fast enough...
[HTC Droid DNA] SwiftLegend:
But then that's essentially the same thing. I got the GN less than 20 months ago, so I'd still be paying they monthly fee. Now if the let me upgrade to the DNA at the subsidized price, they'd be getting that fee from me for 20 extra months...
[HTC Droid DNA] MetalMan2:
I doon't think it will work like this... because that is YOUR line (the one with unlimited data). So an upgrade on YOUR line will likely force a new contract, which should push [your unlimited data plan] over to a tiered data plan.

Like you I'm not totally sure, but this is how it makes sense to me.
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
Well as far as I know, the criteria for Verizon to take away your grandfathered unlimited data is if you upgrade to a 4G phone, as signing a new contract doesn't remove unlimited, adding a dumb phone as an upgrade on my line with upgrade SHOULDN'T remove unlimited data... But hell, Idk. xD. I will of course ask Verizon before this is done, if it even IS done. My dad seems content with his LG bar phone :p
[HTC Droid DNA] v4npro:
Let me get this straight, this is what I got now:

Family Plan 700min/Unlimited Text:

2 Smartphones/ Unlimited Data(mine) & 4GB Data.

1 Basic Flip Phone

If I use the basic phones upgrade I can activate it on my line and keep the unlimited data or I would be forced to move to share everything?
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
You should be able to activate the phone on YOURE line, that's what the rep told me. Because as far as they know, its a phone that was purchased NOT using the upgrade on YOUR line. If that makes sense? Lol

I'll see for sure on the 21st when the phone arrives lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] SwiftLegend:
OK I have another question. So apparently, not everyone on my account has unlimited data (My sister and I do, parents don't). Since my dad (who doesn't have unlimited data, but has 2GB/month) is eligible for an upgrade, if I purchase the DNA on his line, activate it on mine, and then reactive his iPhone on his line, will he still be able to keep his 2 GB/m and will I still keep my unlimited data?

From what I've been reading, only people who are signing a new contract that have unlimited data are being forced to switch to Share Everything, but not people who already have a tiered plan. Not sure if that's correct/I'm understanding it correct.
[HTC Droid DNA] 2001400ex:
Does this work through Amazon wireless too?
[HTC Droid DNA] tnez:
Correct. But no need to reactivate his phone because you never take it off his line, the new phone can be activated directly on your line. My account is setup like that right now and I'll be using that method to upgrade my line.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW
[HTC Droid DNA] SwiftLegend:
Awesome, I know what one of my Christmas gifts is gonna be :)
[HTC Droid DNA] Fastlivin:
I think I've backdoored "confirmation", at least to the same degree as the original poster.

See the chat transcript with a (very dim) Verizon chat rep below:

Clara: Hello. Thank you for visiting our chat service. May I help you with your order today?

Fastlivin: Hi Clara.

Fastlivin: I'm looking at the upgrade status of the lines on my account.

Clara: I'd be happy to assist you.

Clara: Are you logged into "My Verizon" with your username and password?

Fastlivin: My mother, the number ending in XXXX, needs a new phone, as hers has developed a problem.

Fastlivin: Yes.

Clara: Once you're logged into your account, hover over the "my verizon" tab and select " upgrade a device. On the next page, choose the linK(s) that you would like to upgrade and click the "Continue" button on the bottom.

Fastlivin: I have an upgrade available on my line (XXXX), along with a $50 discount. Can I transfer this upgrade with the discount to her line?

Fastlivin: I'm asking if it is possible, not that you do it, by the way.

Clara: Yes all you will need to do is upgrade the line that has the upgrade to the phone of your choice and when you get the phone have it activated on the line of your choice.

Fastlivin: I can see I can transfer the upgrade, but I'm unclear whether the $50 discount goes with it.

Clara: That is why I suggested that you upgrade the line that is eligible for the upgrade and when you get the phone have it activated on the line of your choice.

Fastlivin: Yes, I understand what you're saying, but I have no interest in doing that.

Clara: Ok but that is how it works.

Fastlivin: I currently have an unlimited data plan that I need to keep, so I'd like to use the upgrade on one of our feature phone lines.

Fastlivin: That can't be "how it works", there is clearly a link at the bottom of the upgrade page on your website that says "transfer upgrade".

Clara: Ok which is why you will upgrade the line that has the feature phone on it and when you get the phone have it activated on the line that has the unlimited data on it.

Fastlivin: I understand this.

Fastlivin: My question is simply this: if I transfer the upgrade to the feature phone line (which currently does not have an upgrade eligible), will the $50 discount go with my transferred upgrade?

Clara: Yes

Fastlivin: Great. Thank you for your help.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but she does seem to confirm that by upgrading on an existing feature phone line, unlimited data will not be affected when you activate the new device on the smartphone line.

The only concern I would have is the issue of cancelling the data plan, but I see your point: if the data plan is never actually activated, you can't cancel something that was never activated.
[HTC Droid DNA] gocool767:
I have a question. I have 4 phones on our plan and all 4 are smartphones with unlimited. If I upgrade one of the lines and then use that phone on my line, I will keep my unlimited data, but will the phone i upgraded still have it if i do not activate the new phone on that line?
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
I can confirm that transfering the upgrade to another line will work but according to this sales rep you have to activate it on the other line first then switch it back over.

hope this helps anyone who has some questions.

Melonie: Hey I'm Melonie, I'm a Pre-Sales Chat Agent and I'm here to help you with your purchase by getting you the best deals and devices! Can I help you with upgrading, adding a new line, ordering some accessories, or starting a new line of service today?

chris: hi i have some questions about upgrading

Melonie: I'd be happy to assist you.

chris: i have a line with unlimited data right now with an eligible upgrade option, i was wondering if i could transfer the upgrade to another line without losing my upgrade.

chris: *i mean my unlimited

Melonie: I'd be happy to assist you.

Melonie: You can definitely use another line's upgrade date and upgrade through their line and activate it on your line to keep your unlimited data.

chris: awsome thats great news. when i recieve the phone can i activate it straight onto my line or do i have to activate it on the other line first

Melonie: Activate it on the other line first and then have it go to yours.

chris: okay thank you for all your help!
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
No, the way you get the phone is via an upgrade on one of the lines, and using the upgrade on a 4G phone will remove unltd data on that line :(
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
should work as i just did this through wirefly.
[HTC Droid DNA] hajabooja:
Won't activating the device on another line breach the contract agreement with WireFly?

When you sign up for wireless carrier service through Wirefly, we discount your phone purchase price by an Equipment Discount amount ranging from $200 to $300. By ordering through Wirefly, you agree to repay this discount if, during the 181 days after your new equipment is activated, if you:

* Fail to pay your balance due to your carrier each month

* Disconnect this line of service

* Transfer this equipment to another line of service

* Change your carrier service rate plan to a lower monthly service rate plan

* Deactivate the email/data feature if one was required at the point of purchase

* Transfer/port an existing phone number from another account if this is a new line of service

* Replace an existing account with this account if this is a new line of service

* Return or exchange your phone and it is not in its original, new condition with no more than 30 minutes of usage
[HTC Droid DNA] SwiftLegend:
That sounds more like switching carriers if you ask me, but I could be wrong.
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
Not sure, iv used another line to buy the gnex i an on right now and when i got it i just activated it onto my line and i wasn't charged a 30$ activation fee either. I dont think that wirefly follows up to make sure you activate it as you call verizon on your own and activate it when you recieve the phone.
[HTC Droid DNA] RunNgun42:
Ok so I take it this requires that you have at least 1 extra phone on your account. As a single subscriber there is no upgrade option for me. Someone mentioned buying a full fledged secondary account for $10/month just to get the DNA, but I dont see how this works since they will not sell the DNA and dont even offer any plans under $40/month.
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
you would have to add a "ghost line" by opening a new line for 9.99 (plus taxes) per month, buy the phone on that line, and activate it on YOUR line with unlimited data. You will still have to pay the 9.99/mo on that extra line, but of course you don't need data on it.

Not sure if you need a dumb phone to be on the line or not...
[HTC Droid DNA] gocool767:
so if i create a ghost line and pay the 9.99 a month to get the dna, I wont have to pay for the data plan of the ghost line? because they will require a data plan when u get the dna
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
yeah they make you get the data package in order to even buy the DNA but as soon as it ships or you bring it home, you can remove the data package, as its not needed for a dumb phone (or no phone).

My DNA shipped so I may be able to take data off my dad's line without even paying for month 1 :eek:
[HTC Droid DNA] ohiwastedmylife:
Did you try it yet? Are you able to cancel data before it is even in your hands without consequence? PS what is up with that one guy's chat where the rep told him to activate the phone on the dumb line first then transfer it? Trying to trick him into paying for extra data/ETF?
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
I am gonna play it safe and wait until the DNA is activated on my line before I cancel data on my dad's line. Just less chance of VZW funny business.. lol and Idk, the rep I talked to said to just call and have the DNA activated on my line rather than my dads, so idk, I'll just try that.

the last update on shipping was "in transit" outta Memphis this morning at 6AM so if I'm lucky it will be close to me tonight and come tomorrow?? If not, Wednesday it is!

EDIT: I'm in NE Ohio
[HTC Droid DNA] SwiftLegend:
If it's USPS, don't hold your breath. I waited maybe 2 or 3 days for them to send something that was supposedly sent out from the Bronx. I live in Manhattan. It took 2 days from someplace that's a 10 minute drive / 20 minute subway ride away... -.-"
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
It's Fedex :P so we'll see! Maybe see if they really are worth spending more on shipping than USPS. >_<

EDIT: UPS I mean...
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
well last time i got the galaxy nexus on my sister's dumbphone line upgrade and i just activated the phone on my unlimited data line w/o having to play a data plan or an upgrade fee.

I'm probably going to bring in my DNA into the store and make sure they activate on my line while keeping my unlimited.

i preordered but wirefly says they are waiting for inventory right now so i guess mine will be shipping out tomorrow or the day after.
[HTC Droid DNA] hajabooja:
I canceled my order thru Wirefly and decided to go with this method. Transferred my upgrade to a dumb phone on my account and upgraded that phone. I believe, but don't quote me. If you don't activate the phone on that line, it won't activate the "new plan details". In other words, it won't activate the data plan. However, I'm going to double check my account just to be sure.

Here's to hoping for great development on this device! It's gonna be a rough start coming from the Galaxy Nexus, but I had the itch for something new and god know's we're not getting the Nexus 4.
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
Hey, I asked (whoever's in charge of posting on Venom's facebook acct.) Team Venom if anyone there was getting a DNA, I was told AT LEAST he was getting one, most likely more members too... I think the development looks promising :) Not like this phone doesn't have serious potential.
[HTC Droid DNA] ohiwastedmylife:
Alright man let us know what the result is when you find out!
[HTC Droid DNA] gocool767:
please do tell us if it works once you have done it
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
Will do!
[HTC Droid DNA] kcadrenalin:
Has anyone heard of any other way to upgrade without losing unlimited? I'm like the earlier guy, I have 5 smartphones with at least 2 available upgrades. I really want to switch to the DNA but I do not want to lose Unlimited. My phone alone averages 6-8 gig a month in data. Has anyone had any luck trying to negotiate or sweet talk a Verizon rep into keeping the unlimited plan with an upgrade?
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
from personal experience and reading from others: verizon will only report changes to wirefly, amazon, etc if you cancel that line. Then you would get the double ETF and wirefiy wouldn't get their commision which is what they care about.
[HTC Droid DNA] Laxnkio:
Does this also save you from moving to the share everything plan?

I have a dumb phone on my account that I can grab the upgrade for and transfer to my unlimited number (although, im still on the original Dinc, so moving to a 4g phone could possibly kill the unlimited also, hmmm)

If this works and saves me from 1:losing my unlimited and 2:moving to the dreaded share everything plan, I can't even imagine how happy i'll be.
[HTC Droid DNA] Despyse:
Yes... There is no unlimited share everything. You keep unlimited, you keep your entire plan that you currently have.
[HTC Droid DNA] Laxnkio:
That's what I was hoping, thanks for the clarification.
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
if only there were unlimited share everything. that'd be amazing!
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
Well guys and gals, my phone came and I activated it :D. The guy asked on the phone "You upgraded to this phone on ANOTHER line though, right?" which made me nervous but apparently caused no problem, as it's activated on my line and my unlimited data remains... Now to remove data on my dads line and all will be well :)

sidenote: activation took a while... I was on the phone with a verizon assistant during activation and it just said "activating" for like 5 mins, then after I got off the phone it continued to say "activating" until I rebooted the phone, then the 4G symbol came up and I was activated.

Screen looks killer, guys. and I'm coming from a Rezound. So excited!
[HTC Droid DNA] gocool767:
im currently on a 3g phone and if i do this, ill have to go to a store and upgrade to get a sim card. Do I will get in trouble for not activating on that line?
[HTC Droid DNA] two_cents:
I didn't have to deal with Vzw at all I just took out the SIM they installed in it and put in the one from my gnex... No long activation at all just normal input password and email set up... Immediate 4g signal... Kept my unlimited but I can't upgrade that line but I have another line that is up in a few months but I should be fine...

Even though I swapped SIM it still reads the DNA as my device see screen shot... Not sure if they will say something if I swap cards back an forth
[HTC Droid DNA] Varucell:
I am going to try that. I ordered mine through best buy and it will be here in a week. When they did the upgrade it didn't make me switch my plan so I still have unlimited pretty awesome. Got lucky.
[HTC Droid DNA] BigMace23:
Just for clarification... You went straight to your line without having to mess with the activation/reactivation on the dumb phone line? Did you do it yourself online or was customer service able to do it for you over the phone?
[HTC Droid DNA] RunNgun42:
Guys you realize the total cost of ownership for a 2 year contract is only about $10-$15 more per month if you pay full retail. Seriously, just skip your next two meals at mcdonalds and you're paid for.
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
its not something that certain people like me who are on a family plan with my mom who doesn't require a data plan and likes the 'simpler' phones that are not so complicated. I can transfer my upgrade to her line and use the upgrade from there, allowing me to keep my unlimited data while 'upgrading' my phone.

but like you mentioned, it isn't so beneficial if you have a single line with unlimited. its just a method of upgrading that someone might be able to use but might not think of it.

(btw the thread title does state 'requires 1 extra line')
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
This has been mentioned several times in this thread already.
[HTC Droid DNA] ohiwastedmylife:
Awesome, Thanks for letting us know! Did you know there is actually an online phone activation page? Or did you need to talk to anyone?

I need to get a SIM card for 4G, is there any trick to those? Or do I just walk into a Verizon store and ask for one?
[HTC Droid DNA] kenohki88:
Ok so i was going at it with Verizon reps (in store, over phone and twitter) and no one would allow me to use my upgrade on my Xoom line and switch it over to my calling line with unlimited data plan...anyone know, if i were to just do the upgrade and not tell them I'm switching it over, would i be able to activate the DNA on my primary line?? I REALLY want this Droid

Sent from my DROID RAZR
[HTC Droid DNA] two_cents:
Since its a tablet you are trying to upgrade I doubt they will do it... They don't give discounts on tablets anymore they just let you add it to your plan if you buy I full retail

Sent from my HTC DNA
[HTC Droid DNA] kenohki88:
Damn it! Well I'm trying one more time at the moment chatting with a rep...

Sent from my DROID RAZR
[HTC Droid DNA] gocool767:
can anyone confirm whether this works through a wirefly order? Like buy the device for 150 through wirefly and then activate it on a different line. Will that cause any problems with wirefly?
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
cannot confirm it yet but when they had the gnex on sale i did get it on my sister's line and activated it on my line. but that was before the whole no upgrading your unlimited plans. It shouldn't be an issue but thats just my experience, i also ordered through wirefly.
[HTC Droid DNA] ohiwastedmylife:
Did you ever get the data removed? If you did how did you do it? And any consequence?
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
I subsidized and still have unlimited too.

Activated on a different line, ESN swapped to mine.
[HTC Droid DNA] x70xchallengerx:
Well I just checked verizonwireless.com and I can't seem to find the data package even on my dads line, so looks like when I activated the DNA on my line, it cancelled out data on his??

I think... We'll see when we get our next bill.
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
this is exactly what happened to me when i ordered my gnex off my sister's line. she had a normal phone and so when i ordered i picked the data package with the intent of disabling it after a month. When the phone came in i just activated it onto my line and it ended up that i wasnt charged the $30 verizon upgrade fee and my sister's line never got a data package added.

Good to hear that it still works like that since my dna is coming in tomorrow afternoon. Will post results after iv activated.
[HTC Droid DNA] chrisjm00:
I just did this exact same thing. Transferred the upgrade from my brothers line to my dummy line, and used the upgrade there. I feel like the reps know this because the girl at the counter had a sly smile on her face when I asked to do it. I guess they hate Verizon policies as much as the next person. Regardless, she assured me my brother wouldn't lose unlimited data on his line. What happens if I reactivate the dummy phone on the dummy line, can I suspend that line for a year and save some cash until I'm ready to terminate the line? How do suspensions work on lines?
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
So i transferred the upgrade from my line to my sister's line and used it to buy a DNA off Wirefly at the discounted price. It came in today and i just took the sim from the gnex and put it into the DNA

turned on the DNA and in less than a minute it was working, i didnt even know i activated :]

oh and i retained my unlimited. Talked to a rep and they said i should be fine!
[HTC Droid DNA] ohiwastedmylife:
How probable would it be to be able to pull this off TWICE? I have two different upgrades available and I wonder if I can get away with transferring an upgrade to the dummy line after upgrading it with its own upgrade. 1 upgrade on dummy phone already, then transfer one from my line to it... I have no clue how the Verizon upgrade transferring works or if they monitor the number of upgrades. Any thoughts?
[HTC Droid DNA] Cdoan34:
pretty sure you would be fine, it is just a loophole that they cannot do anything about unless they change the agreements or something. As long as you dont break the contracts you should be fine.
[HTC Droid DNA] dev/null/:
I just did this yesterday at my local verizon store, I wanted to keep my unlimited data so he said for an extra $10 a month I can add an extra line and activate the phone on that line then transfer the phone to my line. I was then able to transfer my old phone to another line on our account (hand me down) and all that without even using our upgrade which we originally going to transfer the upgrade from but didn't need to.
[HTC Droid DNA] ohiwastedmylife:
lol you could technically print money if you did this over a long period of time and eat the cost upfront of having dud devices on contract. Sign up like 6 new feature phones with minimum lines, then in 2 years use the upgrade to get new devices and flip them.
[HTC Droid DNA] trickster2369:
Hmmmm.....;)