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[HTC Droid DNA] Strategist:
Yeah 1080P games and video will eat up that 11gb pretty quickly. I suspect that we will have to wait for the Galaxy S4 for a 1080P phone to be done right,with a microSD slot and a big battery.

Still web reading is probably my no.1 use on my phone and that doesn't require storage. If 1080P significantly improves the reading experience, that alone would be worth it for me.
[HTC Droid DNA] jonah1234:
It has 11 actually and not 3 or 4 gigs maybe 1-2.

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[HTC Droid DNA] chakra:
well Batman Returns is not even a 1080 game and its 2.25 gigs, so I kindly dis agree with you Sir. :)
[HTC Droid DNA] flaring afro:
The size will depending on length and style of the game. If you made wind waker 1080p then it wouldn't have to be as bad as something that's supposed to look real.

I do think that the rom is going to feel small in a year or so for anyone who likes to play a lot of 3D exploring games though. You'll probably only be able to keep a couple installed at a time, maybe 3 if you don't keep much music stored. But most people tend to play 1 or 2 games at a time so it actually might be an annoyance but not a deal breaker..
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
I'm beginning to think that Note 2 owners are getting a little jealous...
[HTC Droid DNA] hung2900:
:good:

Anw, it's about personal opinion, and I think everyone agree that both phones are good devics. For you guys, high physical resolution maybe very important, while I prefer longer battery usage (normally 7 -10 hours screen on time) and interesting features (s pen, true multi- tasking with split windows).
[HTC Droid DNA] passiunce:
i heard that Samsung had to turn the brightness down on the s3 because of the battery :laugh:
[HTC Droid DNA] icomrade:
In the real world we generally don't hold our phone right against our eyes, because it would be out of focal range for us. Which means that virtually nobody will notice the difference between this phones screen, the GS3, the iphone 5, or the GN II. If you do notice a difference your probably the person that also says they can feel the earth rotating.
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
You are completely right, it is about personal opinion. For me personally the dealbreaker on the Note II was the phones size (mostly width) and slippery plastic (i sure as hell wouldnt add a case to make it wider), and had nothing to do with the screen resolution. The note II does have nice battery and storage, but that doesnt change how huge it feels in my hand. I also care about how a phone looks, and the first impression I get on a Note II is that its ridiculous looking especially when holding one up to your head for phone calls.
[HTC Droid DNA] busixb:
I preordered mine. I've watched countless reviews and between the wireless charging back, s4 processor, 2GB Ram, the performance with near identical hardware outperforms the Nexus 4 in almost every synthetic test.
[HTC Droid DNA] disc0rdian:
Can't you just hook up OTG microusb drive for extra space?
[HTC Droid DNA] chakra:
Yes, but why should you have to? It appears that the usage model HTC has gone forward with is to carry two devices, one phone and one external memory device. Thats two power cords and two devices where ever you go. That is a terrible usage model to be designing a device around. How can anyone expect that model to succeed in today's world of 64 gig + phones?

They should move to a one device usage model, where your device has enough memory to have at least ten apps, and take pictures and videos, and still utilize the cloud. A minimum of 32 gigs is needed with the new features (photo sphere) and 1080p recording.......
[HTC Droid DNA] disc0rdian:
Or just have same specs as Butterfly J with microSD slot....I am sure Verizon had everything to do with it.

htc.com/jp/smartphones/htl21/#specs
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
Why do you keep posting the same thing in every DNA thread? The phone is obviously not for you because it doesnt have microsd or a 3500mah battery. And you keep blaming HTC for that when it was Verizon's fault in the first place. They want people to use the cloud more so they can make more monthly on data usage. Do you post the same repetitive stuff in the N4 forum too?
[HTC Droid DNA] nkd:
The storage issue is verizon issue. Verizon gives them what they want and htc designs it I believe. I think verizon probably put a fine line on storage though, not too much, not too little. Just look at google as an example. They only gave us 16gb in the nexus 4 and they also want you to use the cloud. The droid label on the phone is all verizon.
[HTC Droid DNA] androidxen:
He's been posting on androidforums.com too, almost exactly the same thing there. Just ignore him, it's not worth the effort. It's already immature what he posts, let alone the fact that he feels this burden to tell everyone who already wants this device that they essentially can't make their own judgment calls on whether or not the device is for them.
[HTC Droid DNA] boodies:
Although i haven't seen it, im sure 1080p screen is really nice. Here's the thing, the more pixels there are the closer it will replicate real life. In the near future our phones will probably have 4k displays or something as crazy.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
Yeah. Saw a note 2 in public today. Looked huge holding it up to his ear. Quite silly looking. Also needs a black verizon version.
[HTC Droid DNA] hotmonkas:
yeah i think that's my issue with the note 2 as well. it has great performance, features, and battery life and everything. but it just seems too big for me. too chunky. my friend has the original note and it's hard not to smirk every time i see him making a call with it. i'm glad htc made this phone's dimensions more similar to the galaxy s3's.
[HTC Droid DNA] cdmoore74:
No doubt that the DNA has the best screen period. But I've used a Note 2 for one hour total under different lighting conditions and I never thought to myself that it was a pixelated mess. My only knock against the screen is that the brightest was not as "crisp" as what you would see on the iPhone or HTC One X series. But the blacks and the colors really pop at you. The entire point is that just because a 1080p phone came out it does not automatically make the Note's 2 display unusable. Every review I've read never knocked the display for it's dpi. Since it's a big phone your going to naturally hold it further away from your eyes.

But I will be the first one to admit that I had my heart set on the DNA months ago even before they announced that the Note 2 would come to Verizon. My only let downs are the battery and lack of storage options which is a shame because Samsung is going to murder HTC with their S4 if HTC does not wise up quickly.
[HTC Droid DNA] stkiswr:
720p = 900,000+ pixels

1080p = 2,000,000+ pixels

Granted, 5" display but it is without question the,best screen currently known on any portable device.
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
The truth is that once a new feature comes out on a phone, say the 1080p screen, the people getting the phone will brag about it and the people not getting it will justify why its not that great. Does the 1080p screen make THAT big of a difference? No. Will it be really cool to have? Absolutely! Just wait until the S4 comes out with a 1080p screen, all the samsung fans are going to rave about how its the best thing in the world. And they should because while not being totally necessary, its still very cool! Personally, I would never buy an SGS3/4 or Note because of the slippery plastic. I like having a phone with some grip and nice build quality. I will be jelly of the microsd on the SGS4, but I've already come to terms with the 16gb in the DNA, and the battery is of absolutely no concern to me.
[HTC Droid DNA] aurkachra:
I have been using this phone for a while. I have a S3 as well and using both there is no comparison when you compare these phone. The DNA blows away the S3 in pixels and color.

The real difference I see on the 1080p screen is the text. You can read the smallest text on the phone. Yes this might not be practical. But this difference does come into play when you are into photography which I am. The more pixels makes for better pictures on your screen. Obviously the picture has to have at least 250dpi to look good on this phone.

Another comparison. its like the difference between having an Ipad 2 and Ipad 3. Just looking at the displays you would almost always choose Ipad 3 because of its ret-anal(pun intended) display. It is actually beautiful. The DNA is even better to look at.
[HTC Droid DNA] stkiswr:
The major difference isn't so much the ppi bit the quality of the panels. LCD vs samoled. My Rezound screen is very crisp. More so than my old nexus. And my old evo I swear looked better than my razr Marx I owned. Imo slcd looks worlds better than samoled.

How is the DNA outdoors. I wish they could come up with a better way to have a fully visible easily seen screen in direct sunlight.
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
Here's what I've gathered about its performance in direct sunlight:

This part in the DNA Hands on with Phonedog, a DNA rep talks about direct sunlight handling

From The Verge review:

"Color reproduction and viewing angles are easily best in class, and the DNA has no problems outdoors in bright sunlight."

And I didnt really want to dig through 20 forum pages to find it, but I think Phil from Android central said it did really well outside too.
[HTC Droid DNA] stkiswr:
That has to be the only thing I'm not super happy with on my Rezound. Fairly poor outdoor performance when compared to my old razr maxx. While the screen quality was a terrible compromise the maxx was more viewable.

At any rate I am scheming ways to buy this phone. It's exactly what I have been wanting. I have been thru many HTC devices and find them to be top notch.
[HTC Droid DNA] aurkachra:
I havent had any instance in direct sunlight where I though I wish the screen could be better. i.e. The screen is more than good in direct sunlight as well.

BTW i did have the rezound as well and its screen was awesome for when it came out a year ago. DNA however is now the best screen.
[HTC Droid DNA] stkiswr:
Agreed. The Rezound def has the best screen I have seen.
[HTC Droid DNA] 2001400ex:
Depends on eye sight. I have 20/15 vision so the original razr drives me nuts with the pentile screen. The razr hd is much better due to the higher resolution, but still noticeable. I prefer my non pentile tbolt screen. But my wife with 20/25 vision prefers the razr because there is better color production and she doesn't she the dots.

Also, some might not like the higher resolution because the text is smaller, requiring them to zoom more often.
[HTC Droid DNA] nkd:
it really doesn't matter if it makes the difference or not, it is the way forward for high end devices. Next year all high end phones will be 1080p, it wont matter if it makes a different or not to be honest.
[HTC Droid DNA] flaring afro:
You can set the default zoom in the web browser so this shouldn't be a problem. :good:
[HTC Droid DNA] Strategist:
Since people have started getting their phones I hope we can get more inputs on how good the screen really is.

In particular I would appreciate if One X owners who now have the DNA can discuss whether the 1080P screen makes a big difference.
[HTC Droid DNA] slowfncar:
440+ppi>320ppi

It will look noticeably sharper & have more desktop room when a launcher allowes it to.

They say after 230ppi+ you can't tell a difference (sgs2 vs sgs3) < can you tell 720p is much sharper then 640x800.

my computer monitor does so much sharper at 1080p vs 720 not to mention the extra desktop space . I don't see how anyone could not see the difference?

When your resolution is higher the text may get smaller, but when they do they are still readable because of more pixels filling in a smaller area causing it to look sharper, more fine & more forgiving on the eyes.
[HTC Droid DNA] Strategist:
I don't think computer monitors are a good reference point since they are so much bigger than phones. Of course 1080p is going to be a lot better than 720p on them.

On a phone 1080p will look a bit better but perhaps not by much. The transition from say 150ppi to 300ppi is huge and immediately noticeable but from 300ppi to 450ppi I suspect you enter the zone of diminishing returns while you still get a hit in term of battery life and performance.
[HTC Droid DNA] cdmoore74:
Your right about the computer monitors. I would never go from 1080p down to 720p on a 20 inch monitor. But on smaller devices like the DNA vs my Nexus I did not see a huge difference in text, the home screen or the youtube app from "normal" viewing arm length. The difference is there but your not going to see pixels even on the 720p Nexus from normal distance. Even after playing with the Note 2 I don't see pixels at normal viewing distance. I'm all for this new 1080p tech in mobile devices but it will only benefit larger phones, like the Note 2.
[HTC Droid DNA] HeavenlyWinds:
I got a chance to use this phone a while back. And when any phone goes over 300ppi, you barely (i mean, like really barely) notice a difference. Dont get me wrong, the screen is absolutely amazing, but if you are going to buy the phone just because of the screen, you are going to have a bad time.

Just my 2c
[HTC Droid DNA] boodies:
Im sure it makes a difference. Duh.... if it didn't why would they use it. We'll soon have 4k and higher displays on our phones and 1080p is just part a of that progression. The more pixels the closer it gets to real life.
[HTC Droid DNA] Dri94:
I think with everything shifting to HD that's where the difference comes in, with streaming content. And if the phines are pushed to full hd, more content will be pushed to hd and better compression codecs will appear as they strive to make it even better
[HTC Droid DNA] kejar31:
Don't have anything other than a Gnex on hand to compare it to, but the screen on the DNA blows it out of the water!..

Its not even close and yes its noticable!! When looking at icons in the app drawer its noticable at a standard 2 to 3 feet and i don't have 20/20 vision.

I sold my SGS3 to help pay for this phone so I cant compare them atm.. but I dont really rember the screen looking all that much better on the SGS3 when compared to the Nexus (other than the SG3 had better color calibration)

Monday I will be at work with my Co-worker who has a Lumia and will be able to compair them then..

As of no I would say the res def makes a difference at least when you compair it to the 720P pentile setup Samsung uses on thier phones.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
This. I am also a 20/15 & my thunderbolt and rezound screen blows the razr or note and even s3 out of the water. Can't wait until i get my hands on a dna and take a look at its screen!!

Not an iPhone.....
[HTC Droid DNA] Strategist:
Sounds good. Anyone have a One X to compare it with? I think that is the best comparison because it is generally considered to be the best 720p screen.
[HTC Droid DNA] dontex:
After finally getting my hands on a DNA at a Verizon store today...I'm left a little disappointed.. the phone itself looks wonderful..one of the best hardware designs out today...that being said...after playing with it for awhile I just can't see a one X+ or and Evo 4G LTE owner being jealous of this phone...the 1080p screen to me is just not that much better to justify jumping ship from At&t or sprint to get this phone as I'd hoped...with the one X+ having a whooping 64 GB of storage now and the Evo 4g LTE having micro SD capabilities the lack of storage on this device really sticks out even more...its suck a tease...Verizon really screwed this phone up...I waited and waited so long for this phone to come out in anticipation debating between this and the note 2 but left with a sense of been there done that compared to other HTC phones...I'll say this...its great phone if your stuck on Verizon and looking for an upgrade if your coming from 2 year old device like the thunderbolt if you can deal with the storage but in my honest opinion this phone is not the world beater...I thought it would be...HTC's own phones stack up just as well if not better in some areas then the DNA...as well as the GS 3 and Note 2...if your looking the best HTC phone on Verizon this is it...but other then that...I'm just not impressed sadly...but if your a DNA owner and it suits your needs it still is a really great phone no doubt.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
Picking up a dna and going to be weird coming from s3 with 32 gb and 64 gb sdcard! Also might trade s3 for note II and rock a dna and note lol

Not an iPhone.....
[HTC Droid DNA] cowisland:
Most people, including myself, cannot see the difference between this and something around 350 ppi. The GPU has to work significantly harder to render all the pixels however. I would take a better battery life over the undetectable high resolution. That is my criticism of the DNA. If the battery life didn't matter I would not care.
[HTC Droid DNA] leoncarpenter01:
Hands On Opinion

I have had the DNA since last Wednesday - I moved to it from a Galaxy Nexus. I also had a Nexus 4 which I had been using for a few days prior to getting the DNA and a few days after. I returned the Nexus 4 yesterday.

The screen on the DNA is great. Truly. It is brighter and much easier on the eyes in real world tests than both the Nexus 4 and Galaxy Nexus. The battery has also been surprisingly good - even with my long screen timeout.

I am having problems with using some buttons in Ingress - due tot he resolution and the app not being updated to handle it two buttons are too close together to hit accurately.

Aside from that minor gripe with Ingress I am very happy with this screen.

If anyone has any questions about the DNA or the DNA in comparison to the GNex or the Nexus 4 let me know and I'll answer to the best of my ability.
[HTC Droid DNA] drumz0rz:
I've found a great example of the benefit of the 1080p screen. Someone sent me an image that was a screenshot from their phone. I could read all of the (tiny) text clearly without any distortion without even having to click on the image. On lower resolution screens that wouldn't be possible.
[HTC Droid DNA] BarryH_GEG:
"For some people, it is possible to tell the difference if we were to sit down and study a [1080p] display and a [720p] display, side-by-side," he said in a phone interview with Ars. "If you’re really a fanatic and you study images, or you have some professional applications and you’re really into displays, then it may make a visual difference for you."

For most people, though, it won't matter. Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.

Where a 1080p smartphone display could really make an impact is with computer-generated content—that is, the user interface, buttons, and text.

"Only computer-generated images make full use of the pixel resolution of the display," says Dr. Soneira. "For graphics and text, maybe you want that kind of sharpness." Like desktop computers, smartphone displays can also utilize sub-pixel rendering, which helps improve the visual sharpness of computer-generated graphics.

A 1080p display might also be useful for simply viewing 1920×1080 content and not worrying about scaling. "Every time you rescale content that’s scaled for some other resolution, it’s not going to look as good. So there’s an advantage to living with 1920×1080 even if your eye can’t appreciate the fine details, because you don’t have the rescaling artifacts," he says.For most uses, however, the extra sharpness of a 1080p display is wasted.

After about 15 inches, "the much higher 326 ppi is 'wasted' because the eye can't resolve sharpness above 229 ppi." The further away a person gets, the more gradual the reduction in perceived image sharpness.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/​
[HTC Droid DNA] outersquare:
what provider are you using?
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Compare performance between the N4 and DNA. Not benches, just overall experience.
[HTC Droid DNA] androidxen:
Same here. Also was looking at some detailed images (not necessarily large, but high-res and with a lot of detail put into the work) and didn't have to squint to see it.
[HTC Droid DNA] another581:
Big difference to me; I can even read the entire webpage without zooming in.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
Yeah I agree. Great benefits of the high resolution and ppi

Not an iPhone.....
[HTC Droid DNA] Tomatoes8:
I haven't seen the DNA screen yet but my Nexus 10 300 PPI screen BLOWS my 342 PPI HTC 8x screen away, so it isn't all about PPI. The extra PPI on the 8x didn't do a thing compared to the One X, in fact, I believe the One X screen still looks better that the 8x screen.

So it has been established that 30 - 42 PPI more doesn't do anything if much at all. Will 100 PPI more make a big difference, possibly, but I doubt it.
[HTC Droid DNA] pottersam:
I'm sorry but that's a terrible comparison. Its like saying a 55 inch 250ppi TV blows away a 32 inch 300ppi TV. Of course the drastically bigger screen looks better and the same could be said with comparing a tablet to a phone that is half the size.
[HTC Droid DNA] Tomatoes8:
Fair enough, but the other part of my post where I mention the One X 312 PPI screen being better that the 8x 342 PPI screen stands. The 30 PPI doesn't make a difference really and I doubt it will even if you multiply that 30 by 3.27.
[HTC Droid DNA] xxfallacyxx:
Where's the Rezound 342ppi text shot? haha. Never any love for the Rezound.

I don't notice the Earth rotating, but can confirm that simply a Rezound vs. iPhone 4 was a CLEAR difference. Even my buddy the iPhone owner/Apple fan admitted the superiority of the Rezound screen. I personally hold my phone about 1.5' away when texting or browsing, further if watching videos.

As much as I love high ppi devices I can assuredly say that a 4k resolution might very well be extreme overkill on a phone. Unless it were a 3D phone.... :D

I'm more looking forward to 4k resolution computer monitors becoming more commonplace, especially for gaming. As it stands a higher ppi rating is more beneficial to smaller devices intended to be held closer to the eye than a computer monitor. Phones generally fall into that category. Most 1080p computer monitors barely break 100ppi. For example a 1080p 21.5" screen is only ~102ppi. It's all about viewing distance at that, and at 2'+ away from the monitor your eyes will make out less of the pixels. That's how a 55" 1080p tv gets away with what could possibly be an atrocious ppi measure (40ppi!) For that size screen, you need to sit further away to get a decent viewing experience.

EDIT: As well, the "typical viewing distance" of a 326ppi iPhone 5 is considered to be 10". Having a higher ppi allows users to hold the device further away with zoomed text without noticing pixelation of the text.