yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
Disallowing OT to count towards the 10 post might have some very negative results (or create even more headaches for the mods.) As much as some might dislike it, the fact is that at least half the users on XDA (I'm being generous) have nothing worthwhile to contribute when they are new users. They, however, have questions, supposed bug reports, and/or comments for a dev thread.

To them, that question is the most important thing in the world. To them, the Earth's rotation has stopped and will remain frozen until they are at least able to make their post. In some cases, they are even correct (about it being a legit questions and/or bug.) Taking the 10 posts out of OT, here are the possible results I see:

1. User spams non-OT sections to get their 10 posts. They might even apologize for it.

2. User gets annoyed with the rule and stomps away pouting.

3. (possible) User realizes that they can't contribute anything useful, and actually wants to follow the intent of the rule, so doesn't post anything... The rule then provides a disservice by preventing a legit reply. Sadly, this ONLY will occur for the same users who we want to encourage.

BTW, and only slightly related, I was on an IRC channel a few months ago and heard an interesting conversation: They were discussing XDA and the "challenge" of the 10 posts. It was actually seen as a challenge and the reward for meeting the challenge was that they got to post their spam in the dev subforum. (I hope these users are exceptions.)

I can see flaws in both the existing solution and various proposals. Again, I don't know how to FIX the problem the 10post rule is trying to resolve, so I can't complain about it. However, if I ever come up with a better idea (that doesn't involve a human individually approving each user), at least now I feel like XDA will listen to the idea.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Appreciate your reply.

1. Posts get reported and deleted. Or get overlooked. Yes, more hassle for mods, but i think result is worth it, as more often than not used will by now be told to search search and search. When something gets constantly pounded into your head, you are more likely to remember it.

2. Not an issue. If he is REALLY interested, he will abide and plough through it (it is a massive problem them, them 10 post, isn't it?). If not, good riddance imo.

3. Again, general and q&a is FULL of opportunities to be useful. That's where i hang out most of the time rather than in DEV. I only post in every now and again, since i just follow the threads i am subscribed to and questions i might have normally get asked and answered anyway. Or i just post an answer if i know it.

There is no FIX and will never be due to human nature. You said yourself that the question they have is the most important question in the world ( for them). There is no solution. But. I feel that we can do more to prepare them to go to Dev sections and use it as intended. Hence i feel that MAKING new users stick to q&a and general will do more good than bad. Little bit of flaming here, little bit of ridicule here followed by the answer to their question has a lot more chance of making think before they post than if they are allowed to get their 10 posts in OT and learn nothing about xda and the way things should be done here.

I know you say flaming is bad. I agree. When i said flaming above i meant "friendly" flaming, more like a bit of ridicule. I hope i made myself clear :)
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
Sadly, it's not that simple. NewUser posts a spam message, and long before a moderator cleans it up, 25 users have posted replies flaming the new user, 12 users have posted replies to the flaming replies ripping them for spamming the thread with useless flaming, and another 50 users post replies to the above 37 messages that quote the entire thread and only add "+1" or "^^ that". 10 minutes later, a mod finally gets around to cleaning the thread and has to lock it down in order to get through the mess, the NewUser never gets a single word of constructive feedback on searching and by the time they read the thread again, they only see a post from a moderator saying "thread cleaned."

I'd much rather a new clueless user NOT post replies in Q&A. Really. I hate seeing people respond to Q&A threads with outright bad advice (such as telling people it's a good idea to drain their lithium ion batteries completely and then recharging them) or that they need to factory wipe after installing a kernel. (I saw a post in the nexus 7 Q&A that advised removing the battery to reset the tablet. duh.)

To me, those are WORSE than spam. Unlike spam, they can cause damage or problems. Those users aren't malicious, they just in that category known as "knows enough to be dangerous." Sadly, I'm starting to think that this type of user is becoming a majority here.

So, again... we have a user who presumably has a legit reason to post a question or bug report in a dev thread, but they are brand new user. They probably haven't searched (but let's assume they have.) They are pretty clueless (which actually makes their bug report more useful in many cases - new users don't make assumptions.)

This user has read the rules of the forum (but hasn't spent many hours reading the numerous "new user" threads), and they know how to read email on their last phone (an iphone.)

I'd rather that user post 10 useless messages in OT than in a device General or Q&A section. I might suggest that they post their bug in the Q&A section to begin with, but the developer often won't see the message. Remember that this is an actual bug or something that SHOULD normally be posted in the dev thread. 9 times out of 10, the response from some users will be questionable (and I've even seen times when a non-dev user will flame the poor newbie for questioning that The Great Developer could possibly have screwed up.)

--

This is why I suggest not changing anything about the 10 post thing right now. Until a better solution is discovered, we have something that helps at least a little. Making it more restrictive might sound good to some of us users, but the fact is that we have to consider that it might make things worse.

Take care

Gary
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Heh, that is true. Regarding knowing enough to be dangerous. Luckily, people with correct answer are quick to correct them though normally. Regarding battery I have slightly different opinion, and trust me, I've looked into it, so i make quite an informed decision for myself, but that's a topic for a different place.

I still stand by what I suggested, although everything what you said makes sense. It's not a kindergarten here, if someone follows one persons advice without looking into it properly, he only has himself to blame. Don't get me wrong, I'm very very noob friendly, but there is only so much you can and have to do, the rest is down to a user.

P. S. And don't start me on dev fan boys...

" One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching "
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Let's be honest, we know the 10 post rule is not perfect. We all know the flaws. But, it serves a purpose and until a better solution is found, it's here to stay. I welcome all alternative suggestions

...........................

You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] undercover:
O.o

I never said to remove it. I actually proposed a different approach, which is NOT a solution, but just that, different approach.

" One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching "
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
And the donations page still has the classic yellow theme :D http://xdaforums.com/donations.php
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Also the sidebar's subscribed threads widget gets brain farts quite frequently these days. It's shows threads even after visiting them all, whereas the User CP shows none, correctly.

Phew, didn't auto merge now.
[About XDA developers] icspanneer:
can't post

:confused: i can't post and other Members detail viewing is not permit..... what happen ?????
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Clearly you haven't read as well :rolleyes:

This has been covered many times before and for this very reason, I am going to let you search for the answer
[About XDA developers] icspanneer:
Okay
[About XDA developers] MiguelHogue:
One thing I have feedback on is the Uccw thread.. I cruise that thread a lot and I always never fail to see the reason for the "Wip" posts or the "is there any interest in this *insert screen shot here* posts... To me it's just clutter and fishing for thanks... If it's a Wip why not just release the link when it's done.. And to the" is there interest in this" posts, just release it as well.. We all like different things and I'm sure someone will like it... Its just annoying to see those type of posts every page

-TeaM VeNuM Like A Boss :flipoff2:

-SoA: Son's of Android™
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
Totally agree and it's annoying to see so many of those posts BUT I don't think there's anything the moderators can do, to be honest.

Even if a warning post by a moderator was to be put in there it wouldn't take long before the post disappeared, due to how many posts get made in such threads.
[About XDA developers] Pinktank:
on the original / regular dev separation

I just wanted to note that the Original / Regular dev topic separation is going to push a lot of devs away from XDA as it causes confusion and smear campaigns against and for certain teams. I think having Modified Releases / Built From Source / Kernels would be much more fruitful venture.

Move all originals into built from source, some of the rest will have to be moved selectively, leave kitchen in modified, and move all kernels to kernels. What is original anyway? everything is derived partly from google's source code...
[About XDA developers] mnishamk:
How about a like button...only in offtopic since it has no thanks.

Regards

N
[About XDA developers] eddhard:
Zen buhdists should study this thread. It goes in circles.
[About XDA developers] MistaBojangles:
I read a lot of users complaining about the 10-post rule. I had no issues contributing 10+ useful posts.
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
As a user and as a member of this community i report for threads to be moved to Orig Dev because i hate to see 5 good roms and contributing development being lost amongst 20 other crappy threads.

As a dev, i am not one, but if i do release something i wont give a damn if it was in General or OT, it's just sharing after all. I'm sure some developers would agree.

I'm sure most of you all got a kick out of that satirical post differentiating zipping and developing by an elite-rd, cant seem to find it now.

And as for it being named Original and if it really is, is debatable but i don't mind. But it makes sense to have them classed like you said.
[About XDA developers] Pinktank:
There is a lot of talk of migration happening over irc where most development happens, I'm just giving a heads up really. I know it might not matter to the users apart from confusion but it causes scuffle amongst devs.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Interesting

...........................

You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Guys, this has been brought up before. Why not make it clear in regards to thanks button?

All we need is +1 (we are geeks, right, no "like" for us) button alongside "thanks" button. This way, helpful post will get recognition it deserves and all the blabber can be acknowledged without increasing post count in a thread. 2 meters. This will not eliminate problem completely, but will make it a lot more relevant than the current system.

And while we are at it, with the introduction of the new system just reset all the "thanks" so we start from scratch.

Sent from my sandwich maker. Make: LG Model: N⁴
[About XDA developers] mdmower:
I would like to bring up the quoted post above again as it never received a reply from moderators or even recognized developers/contributors. I have to write "Please post your questions in the Q&A forum" on a daily basis. I know there are developers who are more inundated than me with requests from 1-post users. It would be ideal for new users to be prompted with a notice when trying to PM users who opt-in to this new feature: "Post your questions in the Q&A sections".
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Interesting idea, I'll ask and see what response it gets
[About XDA developers] deathnotice01:
[MENTION=4748455]Deadly[/MENTION]

by removing the thanks on the bottom left and redirecting it to the profile of the author would surely defeat the purpose of making a more functional purpose for the thanks meter since users cannot see it in the thread they, more number of "hey thanks" post in threads would occur.

is there a way we can "filter" the word thanks in signatures like profane languages?

---------- Post added at 04:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:02 PM ----------

agree this is a dilemma most developers face since a lot of people starting to flood them with questions in inbox,
[About XDA developers] vbhtt:
I think he is suggesting to move the thanks meter, not the button

Sent from my Nexus 7
[About XDA developers] mnishamk:
[MENTION=4503217]deathnotice01[/MENTION]

Filtering it like profanity wouldn't be wise

For eg: thanks to this user I present you....

Credits : this user for .... - thanks

I did not make it. Thank this user

Etc etc

How about if its just thanks(no idea how the filter should be) ,on a quoted post it would be just like pressing the thanks on the quoted post, and the new post wouldn't be made.

Not sure if its possible though

Regards

N
[About XDA developers] Deadly:
This ^

You understood it wrong friend.. the "thanks meter" which appear below avatar should be moved to profile page.. so that you do have a count of it still and this will prevent users from stop helping if the "thank meter" itself would have been removed.. but, it will make it less important.. as its not going to show up in each of their post..

I didn't say anything about the "thank button"

______________________________________

Anyone who doesn't think there are two sides to an argument is probably in one.
[About XDA developers] Red Devil:
Filtering won't help. I can easily add a SIG pic or something like

"T.H.A.N.K.S" to avoid filtering.. Of course this same workaround can be done still with swear words.. But people themeselves are hesitant in swearing as compared to asking for thanks.. Which they do shamelessly

I agree with Deadly's 2nd point. Seems like the most feasible solution for me..
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
You mean reduce the thanks count and reduce their e-peen size if they are whoring for it?

I remember an admin saying that they had little control over the thanks count, maybe they can reset it to 0 but not reduce it by 10% i believe.

Not sure if it has changed though.

And regarding sigpics, one simple rule for the dimensions will do imo, not sure what they have in mind.
[About XDA developers] Deadly:
ya, i have read that comment.. it was before they introduced "Remove my thanks" option.. So, i think it might be possible or atleast possible to implement now that thanks count can be reversed by 1 atm..

And if anyone was willing to put this in their signatures.. just copy paste this to your signature.. and thanks @Prawesome for adding to your signature :)

[PLAIN][CENTER][B][COLOR=teal][SIZE=3] "Thanks button is [COLOR=red]just to avoid "thanks" posts [/COLOR]in threads. Nothing more than that. Don't ask in signature or post for it and defeat the purpose why it was introduced" [/SIZE][/COLOR][/B][/CENTER]
[/PLAIN]
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Folks, just a little update on a few things:

1. Banning thanks requests in signatures - Not going to happen at this time

2. Scrollbars for signatures - Looks like this may happen. Any suggestions on max pixel height until scroll bars appear?

3. Blocking PMs from users with <10 posts - We have agreed to do this, and it's currently in the development queue to get done.
[About XDA developers] boborone:
2) no more than 250. I'd like it less. It's supposed to just be a banner, not a picture. Remember after all this a message board, not a social media site.

And why can't the use IMG tags be prevented? Just up the size allowable with sigpic tag? Why go through all this trouble when that would be the easiest to implement?

My phone ate his Boot Loops this morning. He thew it all up on the merry go round at school.
[About XDA developers] upndwn4par:
:):):)

Assuming you mean max allowable signature size (not image size), I agree.
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
I think he meant the max image height. 250px or at most 300px for image alone is fine as long as they are not adding text above or below it. If they are then 200px or even less.

How exactly do you measure a sig size, image+text? Just approximation?
[About XDA developers] mnishamk:
How about adding an unremovable hide bb code on sig automatically? Like with qoute and code, it would say signature and then hide the actual signature

Regards

N
[About XDA developers] mdmower:
2. Honestly, I think your signature at about 190px is as large as is tolerable. Maybe a 200px height max?

3. Very excited about this, thank you.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Looks like we have settled on 250px. More to follow

...........................

You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] Deadly:
Thanks for that info. Hopefully its just image and without text excluded of it.. like its total signature width 250px or just image 250px and you are OK with extra content with it. As the second would make it big.

May be while you people are at it. Fix a total pixel for whole sig content size. And anything more should go under hide buttons?

Since I think it was just regarding image and not text was included in it. And some have both image and text.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Max sig size would be something similar to mine

...........................

You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] NotATreoFan:
250px including text. Anything longer will result in a scrollbar.
[About XDA developers] icspanneer:
How to create new device post??
[About XDA developers] Deadly:
If you mean new device forum request. It should be done here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1660354

Only admins can create it. You can't.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Unfortunately this is not the correct place to post about this. This thread is for feedback and recommendations for XDA. As I do not own a karbonn a21, I am unfortunately unable to assist you with your issue either. I suggest you post your query in the Q&A forum if a sub-forum has not been already created for your device
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Ok, I've deleted a number of posts, can we keep this thread on topic please
[About XDA developers] Naineesh:
sorry needed help

sorry expected help,...as i am new here,....
[About XDA developers] Deadly:
There is a place for everything mate :)

Please ask here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2259645

And do read first post of a thread to understand what the thread is for.. this thread is not for phone support..
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
FTFY
[About XDA developers] Naineesh:
thanks,..

thanks for showing me the correct way,.. :good: :)

i hope i will get the help there,.... :cool:
[About XDA developers] doctor_droid:
A post(rom) by a jr member in dev thread?? Not even 10 posts

Rules modified so fast?? :D

Thread link

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2282901
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Thanks for link. Looking into this now

EDIT - Looks like user had 12 posts, then made the new thread in development forum before he had a number of his posts removed
[About XDA developers] Ghostfreak NB:
Oh!

Does that mean it can be used to bypass the 10 post restrictions?

:eek::confused:

As anyone can make 10 spam post to gain access and once he is granted access,his rights to post in dev forum remains intact!!!
[About XDA developers] mikef:
We will generally reset the 10-post permissions in those cases if we catch them. Sometimes we miss resetting the permissions after removing the posts however. :eek:

Thank you,

mikef

XDA Senior Moderator
[About XDA developers] doctor_droid:
And an xda member was blaming xda for discrimination when the person was allowed to post in dev thread wid 7 posts... ...:/

When I said there occurs no discrimination here

He replied quoting me ..

Calling me a kid and insisting to the fact that i was "less intelligent" to understand discrimination...

I wonder how some people are so overconfident..
[About XDA developers] Simply_Android:
XDA needs to fix the mods on here, there playing favors, cabloomi got banned forever for posting a thread and giving credit to the person who made the thread in the first place.

http://s18.postimg.org/liy5qs2gp/Capture.png

and now it says he stole that persons work and claimed it as there owns. i saw the thread, the first words were who the credit belongs to, and hes banned now, he was a great dev, shame on you XDA, Shame
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
I do not know the reasons for his ban, but they are between him and the mods. I'd be very surprised if you know both sides to the story and you posting this here isn't going to help him.

...........................

You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] Ace King 34:
I have some suggestions:-

1.I have seen that we have an option of sending PM's to ourselves when we go to our profile and I feel that the option is not used mostly and that PM's are sent from one member to other member.

so If the option of sending PM to ourselves could be removed?

2.Xda is growing day by day and many newbies come to xda.

so maybe when a newbie wants to report a post/thread then he/she will be confused as of what to do and how to report as he/she is unaware of the

/!\

report icon next to the post number so maybe if you could merge the quote and multiquote and add a button named "Report" next to the quote button then it will be convenient for the new users as they can easily find out how to report the thread/post.

Well these are just my 2 suggestions. ;)

cheers
[About XDA developers] NotATreoFan:
1. Why? There is no reason to remove the ability for you to copy yourself on a PM. Actually, since you cannot arrange Sent Items into folders, some people choose to copy themselves on a PM and then archive it from their Inbox.

2. We get enough accidental reports now, and moving the ! to a big yellow button next to reply will increase it 100x.
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
I actually sent myself a PM before I realised we could preview a thread before creating it.

I sent it to myself in a PM and then opened it up on the site to see how it looked :p
[About XDA developers] iiigeorgievi:
loudspeaker

Hi, guys, I am new here and just wanna ask, is there any way to install custum loudspeaker software on my Xperia Miro couse after last firmware update, the loudspeaker does not work! Thanks.
[About XDA developers] Jonny:
Hi,

Please ask this in your device's Q&A forum located here :)