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[Asus Transformer TF700] MartyHulskemper:
I do not believe in benchmarks, as often enough they do not even approximate user experience. A clear case for my argument is that, for example on CleanROM, the benchmark scores actually did not exactly skyrocket (they hardly improved to any degree of significance across the board), but the user experience is miles ahead of that of a stock ASUS TF700. I have seen the same happen on my SGS2, where in the past benchmark scores were artificially improved by disabling fsync without notification (That is risky and irresponsible decision making on part of a developer, but that's another matter. ;) ) -- creating a situation in which a fair comparison can hardly be made.

Especially on multicore devices, the benchmark suites tend to falter...
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Tweaking SQLite and moving the data partition to a class 10 SD card kind of disprove your point because by bypassing or circumventing the NAND issue what's reflected in the IO benchmark scores between stock and tweaked pretty much reflect what people experience. And something like AndroBench is as basic a test as exists and its only function is measuring reads and writes to storage. Using it, my Teg3 device performs better than my Exynos device and the IO scores it reports jive with the IO differences reported by Quadrant. In non-IO tests I agree with you that some benchmarks don't leverage additional cores well but simple single-threaded IO tests shouldn't be impacted by the processor as the reads/writes are the lowest common denominator even on the fastest device. Compared to PCs, all Android devices have slow IO because of the NAND and eMMC storage solutions they use. The biggest difference between Android devices are those that have dedicated IO controllers. Exynos 4/5 and the S4 series all include a dedicated IO controller on the chip. HTC provides a dedicated IO controller on their Teg3 devices. That’s why the LTE TF700 below scores so high on the Quadrant memory and IO tests using Asus' NAND solution compared to the Wi-Fi TF700. So at least for IO what the benchmarks are reflecting represent actual performance.
[Asus Transformer TF700] fsured:
To illustrate: When performing a I/O intensive operation such as downloading a torrent with a program such as aTorrent the tablet more or less freezes in normal operation. With data2sd you can happily continue to use it with only a minor impact on responsiveness.

-What exactly are you downloading from torrents on a tablet? You will get better performance doing that activity on a computer hooked up to ethernet. Granted these things are getting stronger, I don't think we should expect these devices to replace regular computers. They are more convenient for sure but they won't have the same processing power, expandability, or overall same user experience.

What are you expecting from your tablet? What is your purpose for buying it other than the cool factor of having a tablet? What you may want may not realistically be possible on any tablet currently. Go with Apple if you want something smoother. For what this device is intended for works. If the hang ups of the device are that annoying to you then sell it and get something else. You will only frustrate yourself by keeping it and festering over I/O.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
It's already been discussed (a lot) and part of what caused everyone here to come up with non-standard IO solutions. Either data2SD or browser2RAM allow the TF700 to function like other tablets because they bypass the stock NAND solution Asus uses. Android itself is capable of running multiple processes concurently.

TF700

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Note 10.1

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[Asus Transformer TF700] fsured:
Oh I understand that Android is capable of doing much more and use browser2ram myself. Just not phrasing my question or thought right. I'm wondering what people are wanting to do with the tablet beyond it being a portable internet and multimedia device. Are they purposely doing so much with the tablet at once that it will lag? I'm constantly downloading 2-3 mp4 video files (range between 70-350mb each) while on a busy work wifi signal and browsed the web at the same time. Sure it runs a bit slower but it operates and I know it will be back to normal when the downloads finish. If I'm needing to download large files I'm going log into my pc with splashtop, set it download, and transfer it when I get home. It doesn't make sense to weigh down the tablet with large file downloads that can take hours to do. Especially when people know it can slow their tablet down and leave them feeling bummed with the device.

I don't mean to point the poster out and I apologize for that. On reading the post again I see they are using torrent download as example and asking about Asus response to I/O. I think it would be hard to think of Asus not knowing of the I/O problems and how disgruntled people are over it. There are many reviewers who have found the issue and probably countless owners who have brought it to their attention.

For people not willing to venture into modding their device then they may need to accept it will have this issue as is or find a different device. Cut your losses so you are not looking for lag and other problems instead of having fun with the device. Perhaps an Ultrabook will be better equipped to handle what they want. I enjoy the tablet so much more once I came to accept my unit has some light bleed. I festered over returning it for about 2 weeks. Then I stopped and thought of the vast improvement over my Prime this is. I could have ended up with a device having worse screen bleed or other issues. But key thing is I enjoy the tablet so much more once I got that hardware flaw out of my head. I don't actively look for the bleeding anymore.
[Asus Transformer TF700] rikc:
@fsured,

Yes I used d/l-ing a torrent as an I/O heavy example. Or running Linux on Android because indeed because when doing those kind of things that most people don't do every day the issue really becomes really apparent... sort of like stress testing.

And... again my telephone is able to do that stuff instead of locking up like my stock C70 Infinity did... to put it into real world terms (I've read the comment about the limited use of benchmarks earlier in this thread).

And to answer your question/remark about how you (should) use your tablet? I leave my work laptop at work since I have it use it about 95% of the time with the keyboard dock and often with an external mouse. I do minor productivity stuff on it (some keeping track of expenses with the Officesuite HD spreadsheet app), a lot of internet browsing (first with browser2ram and now the freezes are also gone) with flash sideloaded. A lot of studying using repligo pdf reader, a lot of chatting with the Lilypad floating chat app while i'm web surfing or so, d/l-ing stuff, doing basic photo editing using photo mate professional and doing banking stuff with an app from my bank. Also I always use desktop sites (changed uastring).

So no, maybe I'm not a typical user, just like you and explore the boundaries of what people do with tablets like this. Yet that makes me see that the tablet with a dock is a very promissing form factor... and I'm not complaining about the Tegra 3's processing power especially no that the internal storage bottleneck has been circumvented.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Ologn:
My serial number is C60KAS082... does this mean I have C60 revision?

I bought this tab to replace my original galaxy 10.1. In some respects it's a great tablet and in others it completely sucks!!! I use my tabby for surfing, you tube, email, and internet fun. I read the Engadget review of the nexus 10 where they said that the tf700 tab was probably a better device. Based on that review I bought the tf700. I wish I would never had read that review! I had no idea that this tab had problems until I started using it. I have never seen a wait message in a browser, never. This tab does it all the time! If you're reading this, DON'T BUY A TF700!!!!!!!!!! I got mine at a good price from craigslist so I'm stuck with it. I like rooting, modding and the like, but not to recover basic functionality. Asus you suck!
[Asus Transformer TF700] okantomi:
This attitude is one I can never understand. Why punish yourself with lesser performance, just because the performance should have been better out of the box? You bought the tab used at a good price, so get with the program! Unlock (if not already) and start modding. You have some very good choices and I promise that you will be very happy with your results.
[Asus Transformer TF700] rikc:
@Olagn... what okantomi says

The I/O is a major oversight... but the Infinity is otherwise great and can be made so with data2sd

And I created this topic wondering if Asus has an opinion (do they read posts here) and if newer revisions have faster storage memory to fix this
[Asus Transformer TF700] yumms:
Newer versions do not fix this issue, infact Asus's Windows RT tablet also uses slow internal memory.
[Asus Transformer TF700] rikc:
So you have the equivalent of freezes and FC's under Win RT...

ASUS is testing brand loyalty the hard way it seems.
[Asus Transformer TF700] the_game_master:
I was able to use uTorrent to download pRon on my Infinity and still use other applications with lag on stock Android 4.1, no modifications.
[Asus Transformer TF700] rjarl:
I think ASUS should give us a official solution for his TF700 I/O Bottleneck, becouse this tablet really freezes a lot in stock-unlocked. Maybe an official unlock that doesn't void warranty. Or an official data to SD software.

So yes, I love the fact that we can unlock, root, flash etc with tf700 but, what about the warranty? I don't want to lose it before 2 years (my warranty), ASUS don't allow me to find a solution by myself becouse it means lose of warranty, and also the device doesnt work as expected. And I don't have a "hardware warranty", if I unlock I lose it.

My day by day with a TF700 is surfing web and play local file mp3 music with Google Music app in background... just loading a page like this forum can mean browse freeze. I tried Chorme, Dolphin, StockBrowser.. sometimes it freezes 10-20 seconds every page load an also it makes the music freeze too... I have the impression of a "not tested device" I bought it NEW for 590€ aprox. a month ago.

So thanks god, someone creates an illegal (for ASUS) software solution so we can wait 2 years of warranty end and then apply it.

Thanks ASUS.
[Asus Transformer TF700] MisterEz:
I just can't understand how ASUS, with all their millions of $$$ R&D budget, ended up producing a tablet that, quite frankly, has some serious flaws out of the box...

...but then you get developers such as Scrosler, with CleanRom, & Clemsyn, with his kernal mods, who have

totally

transformed the Infinity into the device we all hoped it could be.

It baffles me - what sort of effort do ASUS actually put into their devices with their crappy build quality, and unoptimised software!?
[Asus Transformer TF700] rikc:
So, aside from that, what revision (CX0) do you have?
[Asus Transformer TF700] rikc:
Yeah... I made the consideration if having a slugish tablet WITH waranty for 2 years was worthwile for me... (and after that wel would be at Android 6 or 7 and the newest apps would run slow?), or a smooth on that might become broken and would cost me money to fix. Since I cannot predict the future is chose a good experience in the present
[Asus Transformer TF700] zenaxe:
Ditto. From ASUS perspective, there's no issue to "fix" here. Sure they'll probably pay more attention to storage components on their next generation of TFs (like they did on the N7) and sure, they'll continue to tweak the ROM if they can think of further SW based optimizations but the fundamental hardware limitation will always be there in this device. <shrug>.

Bone stock, the tablet is one of the best Android tablets on the market. The JB update exceeded my expectations, personally, I get pretty much no lag on my TF. I'll put it this way, I tend to be a major hacker and I have not even bothered to unlock the TF after months of ownership (although I probably will at some point ;) ). For me that is a big statement to how great this thing is, many devices I own I have put custom firmware on them before installing a single app, LOL...

If the I/O thing is a huge issue for you, unlock and run data2sd or sell it and cut your losses. ASUS has really done everything I would reasonably expect from them.

Not sure what the OP is expecting to come from this, but no one ever promised you perfection, every hardware design has some trade off, if it is not acceptable for your use of the device, sell it and move on.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tf201:
ASUS is aware of the issue and has stated they will try to fix it via software.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jeffw111:
Unfortunately that's what they said they were going to do for the Prime and to date this has never happened. Before you ask the question I own a Prime too so I know thier track record for dealing with this poor choice in SD storage vendors.
[Asus Transformer TF700] kthz:
It's really sad to not be able to see such problems mentionned in reviews. I was going for a Prime last year when i read about its full HD follow-up "to be coming soon" and since it was poorly available, i could only wait. Just as for my TF700T, i didn't read a single review telling about it, whereas even without knowing about "I/O speed", they could tell that those tablets are sluggish / choppy randomly/while doing another thing..

I hadn't noticed, but the other night, i was just browsing threads around here when i got those waiting/closing messages for Chrome not responding for the 1st time, while i wasn't going fast since i was sleepy.. (i have them a few times in some games or so, but i thought it was game bugs with this tablet before i read over here..)
[Asus Transformer TF700] the_game_master:
The July built Infinity, C7
[Asus Transformer TF700] waltnich:
Exactomundo.

My performance is Stellar and I see Asus under the bus all the time???

I chalk up most complaints as User Deficiencies - starting with my own! - and viola, I find the solution somewhere on XDA
[Asus Transformer TF700] brutis:
Dude, Im not one to complain without having a go at fixing the problem first especially if it's a minor problem holding back a otherwise great product, but...... this tablet is a joke!! Asus must be having a laugh.

As I was reading this thread I rotated my Infinity and it bloody froze blank white screen : \

Its frozen over 10 times Ive lost count since I purchased it. It's frustratingly laggy, I have found myself using one click task killer like I have a freaking OCD and it still freezes and lags like a turd. There are a lot more issues but Im over ranting, Asus giving out the boot unlocker and then saying use and void warranty ridiculous. I paid $850 for a premium tablet and I believe the majority of consumers expect a higher standard of quality for the price! If I paid $400 I wouldn't be here waiting my time writing this because I would expect that of a cheaper product. Asus pull your finger out!!! And fix the problem, recall your product or offer a refund! Your giving Android devices a bad name which is sad because I love Android :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] CandyAndy:
Yeah this tablet is so strange. Sometimes feels so bad that it is unusable but for exactly right now it is just flying. Dunno what makes the performance vary this much
[Asus Transformer TF700] brutis:
tsuperv species

I have 2 very important words for you bro, Quality Control!!!! :) Asus please take note!!!!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GravityDead:
hey guys, I was thinking to root my note n7000 running android 4.0.4

I read many threads and guides but could not understand the way to do it...

some says "this way is better and safe" and some says "that one is risky, try another" :confused:

Actually I want to root because of two reasons

1. Want to install a beautiful (good looking) ROM like MIUI (cause installing themes makes my note slow, toooo slow and then it crashes too)

2. I want some apps that require root (like an app to remove permissions that apps ask but they don't actually need)

So I wanna ask you guys, is it worth rooting?

Is it possible to install MIUI in note OR is there any other better alternative to MIUI

I don't really care about the warranty as long as I can understand the way to root my phone safely so I won't brick it (though I even read in some threads that you can root without going against the warranty conditions)

I also saw the one-click root setup that needs a PC, download the rar, connect phone, USB-debugging and start the file in PC, is it safe and not outdated or patched by the android 4.0.4

So guys, suggest me should I root or just wait for JB update for the note

and if you suggest that I should root then can you please :angel: point me in a direction, to a good and easy to follow guide for newbies...

:highfive:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nokiamodeln91:
i rooted the note as soon as i got it..

its very simple to root a 4.0.4 these days and safe as well..

check you rom build number and download the kernel corresponding to your rom

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1901191

then place the zip file in the ext SD.. boot into recovery and update from external SD and point to the Zip file.. install and done..

Rooted, safe kernel and CWM for installing new roms as well...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mistajoe83:
yes.. it is easy and safe if you fully understand and follow every instruction. Good Luck.. "How can a tree lives without its root.. hahahaha"
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SpyderTracks:
It's definitely worth it if you're thinking about it, it opens the doors to getting so much more out of your device. Follow nokiamodeln91 suggestions and you'll be fine.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GravityDead:
thanks man for the reply,

I understand the later part that transfering the zip files to external SD and install from it

but I fail to unerstand which zip file to download

my "build number" is "IMM76D.DDLR9"

and "baseband version" is "N7000DDLRR1"

also I wanted to ask if this the same CWM.zip method as mentioned in this THREAD cause they are saying that following this method will result in a brick

one last thing, if you could also make my doubts clear

rooting is needed to access to system files so that we can install and use apps which require ROOT

but I do not know about kernel and CWM...

once again many many thanks for the reply...:victory::angel:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nokiamodeln91:
Use ddlr9

cwm.zip can result in a brick

yes root is needed to access system

to install. mods, tweaks, different roms etc etc. etc

---------- Post added at 04:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:56 PM ----------

kernel is a universal name. You can look it up anywhere

cwm is an advanced recovery that can perform many tasks as compared to stock recovery and is embedded in the kernel for note. when you change kernel your recovery will change as per what the dev included.

cwm is aso required to install custom roms
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anilisanil:
Considering your requirements you should root.

Your only concern is that you may not be able to do it properly.

Rooting is now a cake walk. Just follow Dr ketans thread
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GravityDead:
yeah that's what I thought

I would rather give it to some other person who knows the process of rooting than doing it myself, looks very confusing to me :silly:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GravityDead:
okay done!

so I have finally rooted and flashed my kernel...

I followed this guide on youtube

youtube[dot]com/watch?v=fIV84TwdPdY

basically, it told me to download "Root_SuperSU.0.95.Only-signed.zip" and update from the zip and I followed

then I got the supersu app in my note and my note was rooted then following the guide again, I installed "mobile odin pro" from the play store, downloaded "speedmod-kernel-n7000-ics-k3-15-CWM.zip" and using mobile odin i flashed it

so now my phone's "about" page is like this

View attachment 1653682

so I just wanted to ask whether this kernel is safe or not, do I have to still flash something else cause I read that most of the ICS kernels are affected with the "brick" bug and I was on android 4.0.4 when I rooted and flashed my phone..,

and what about flashing roms...,
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SpyderTracks:
It's only stock ics roms that are unsafe. Speedmod is safe, also worth checking out is phillz kernel which is as close to stock as you can get but with the mmc_cap_erase command disabled.

Since you're on a safe kernel now you can flash most roms straight away, although if flashing cm based rom like paranoid or cm10 you usually need to flash a cm based kernel first, then boot into recovery and flash the cm rom from there. All first posts will contain necessary flashing procedures. You'll get the hang of it and if you need help continue asking.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GravityDead:
further query

first, thank you SpyderTracks for your quick response, I actually slept last night cause I didn't think that I would get an answer so fast :angel:

now, what rom you people suggest me to install as I am AGAIN confused to choose the rom

and as SpyderTracks said to install CM roms i need CM kernel too, so I suppose there will be again many more choices, so would anyone tell me which one is the easiest and simplest...

I actually looked at many roms

like MIUI, CyanogenMod, some jellybean roms like JellyBam

so from where should I start to understand this rooting things

P.S I have got mobile odin pro and rom manager from store, if they can help :)

EDIT

please help me out, I did something wrong

i downloaded and installed mobile odin pro

flashed latest CWM

and then I downloaded "RocketMIUI v8 - MIUI 2.10.19 - SNote running!!! - multilang" and wenti into recovery vol. up+power+home

first of all I used "wipe data/factory reset" option and then "wipe cache partition" and then finally I used "install zip from sdcard"

update was succesfully done but now when I start my note, it gets to samsung logo normally then the welcome page of samsung shows up and there i'm getting an error "unfortunately, phone has stopped" and now I cannot do anyting

PLEASE help O:)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SpyderTracks:
Go into recovery, wipe cache, dalvik and data and try a reboot, should clear the fc's.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GravityDead:
more

oh thank you one more time spydertracks

i did what you said but nothing's helping

then I came across shiro_hydracore v7 kernel, i flashed it but then again tried what you said but still no help

so is there anything I can do or my note is nothing but a paper weight now :(

UPDATE -

i wanna thank you everyone (from the heart) who bothered to reply in my thread

i'm done, installed jellybam, running smoothly

but even then, any new suggestions for future :angel:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SpyderTracks:
It's just a flashing error or kernel issue, don't worry just yet. Reflash the rom, it comes provided with hydracore kernel. Leave it with that kernel, remember to do 3 wipes after flash, then try reboot.
[Samsung Captivate Glide] Shad0wguy:
My girlfriends captivate glide has gotten a bad habit of the clock freezing and not keeping time. It started after updating to the first ics update and the recent update did not fix it. Is this a common issue? She uses the phone as her alarm, so you can imagine how much of a pita it is when the clock freezes during the night.
[Samsung Captivate Glide] braintweaker:
Yep, have the same issue sometimes. Its surely is connected with the GSM/notifications hang up issue, that i described here. I also use alarm clock, so these thing seems to be connected.

Hope any dev is able to investigate the problem, or tell how to investigate, because I dont have any idea how to fix it, only if not using the alarm on my phone.