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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
You state you are an upstanding member and very helpful, yet right now, you are being the exact opposite. I've asked you kindly to drop this, yet you continue. Now you threaten to create a thread about it. Hardly the behaviour of an upstanding member. If you continue in this manner, you'll only be further punished. I suggest you stop with this and get back to being "helpful" elsewhere or you may find yourself banned once again. Is this really what you want? Seriously? Move on.

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[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
Thread has been started... and shutup with the diplomacy, I'm tired of being targeted... and all through the targeting, I was helpful.... Now that's a member.... so FU....
[About XDA developers] _Variable:
Are you seriously fighting with an S-MOD?! This will just end in another ban, IMO

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[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
I'm fighting for what's right. They just do see it, hence my fighting.
[About XDA developers] _Variable:
Just a piece of advice, don't "quote fight" here, since this is a public thread. Take it via PM.

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Well done, welcome to bansville.....permanently
[About XDA developers] Sleepy!:
Just a piece of advice, don't give unsolicited advice.

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Well that escalated fast... :rolleyes:

Let's just get back on topic.

Sent from my HTC Sensation on CM10.1
[About XDA developers] doctor_droid:
Taking the off topic thread back to topic....

My feedback -

Till date my experience wid xda has been great...

However I do feel that new device sub forums have to be added more quickly for the ones that arent too popular...

There are alot of devices that are typically "local" bt outselling the number of branded companies in the same area...bt have no sub forums on xda....

So I guess my point is clear

Plz dun mind my english :)

Thanks @ xda
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
We only add threads with a certain level of demand, number of active posts and active development. I know it may be frustrating to those who own the device, but we simply cannot just add every device. This forum is about development, not about making your phone look pretty. Unless we see active development or the potential for development, chances are, it won't ever get it's own sub-forum
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Because it's Samsungs flagship device.........

It's usually not too difficult to tell which devices should have a forum added immediately and those that prove to meet the criteria will have one added on after release.
[About XDA developers] deathnotice01:
How come some manufacturers like ZTE and Huawei flagships sometimes doesn't have a dedicated forum
[About XDA developers] Sleepy!:
I think they add forums for such manufacturers if the OEM was interested in fostering development...

Case in point... Oppo Find 5.

There's also a certain... American... Trend to the forums... Because majority of users are American.

For example, T-mobile/ATT etc GS4 got a forum on announcement.

Whereas the HTC Butterfly was selling in Japan for months before it got a forum once it was released internationally.

Sent from my HTC Sensation on CM10.1
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Because they are a lot less likely to attract the amount of developer attention which would make a separate device forum feasible.

This is one of those issues that have been discussed to death and we have a thread in place to request devices. There really much else that we can do and unfortunately not everyone will be satisfied with the way forums are allocated.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Define "feasible" in this case. Another few bites on servers? Why not? Seriously, even if forum is not used much, why not just have it?

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[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Fair enough, feasible was probably a poorly chosen word. My point though is that just because we could add a forum for devices with little to no activity doesn't mean that we should. If that were the case we might as well add a forum for every single device released full stop which definitely isn't feasible. There has to be a line drawn somewhere and obviously that will not please everyone.
[About XDA developers] Sleepy!:
*shakes head*

:sly:

Not gonna happen, brah.

Sent from my HTC Sensation on CM10.1
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
All devices which were active and have since gone quiet are moved to legacy. Are you suggesting we simply delete these forums with all the information contained in them? Or are you suggesting because we keep these threads we should add new forums for devices with no development?

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[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
There's a difference between maintaining a forum that's already added and did at one point have active development and just adding forums for the sake of it.

As you will no doubt have noticed, some forums do end up being closed off once they are completely "dead" and yes sometimes a device is added that doesn't ever get off the ground. Nobody said the system is perfect.
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Pwned! :p

I can't see server space being the issue for anything on this site (is it mods?), there are hundreds of years old pointless threads that can be deleted to conserve some space but i'm not seeing that being done on a regular basis.

Remember someone saying something about a deleted thread being never truly gone. :confused:
[About XDA developers] deathnotice01:
does this imply the fact that some of the Win7 devices are as silent as a dustbowl?
[About XDA developers] :
Do you dislike the asking for thanks in my sig?

Sent with my Sonic Screwdriver
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Nothing against you in general, but I dislike asking for thanks period. That being said, yours is not as bad as others

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[About XDA developers] :
Thank you. Maybe I should just take it off, because after my phone was stolen I stopped contributing. I've only contributed a little bit since then. I have made a guide for my phone though, but nobody cared.

Then again, I've noticed people forget to Thank and Thanks happen to be a major judgemental factor here at XDA.

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[About XDA developers] flastnoles11:
I've never asked for a thanks ever and get thanked plenty. A lot of people actually avoid thanking when you ask for them. Just help people and you'll get the thanks that you should, no need to ask for them... and yes you're right people do judge based on thanks, but so what, shouldn't care so much what people think about you :)

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
As I said, I don't judge people by their thanks or post count. I judge them on their post content. I see both thanks and post counts as an extension of their e-penis

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[About XDA developers] nikufellow:
If the thanks button wasn't there from the start then it'd have been much better, but i don't think taking it away or limiting/altering its functionality in the present scenario is feasible as it might have some unforeseeable repercussions. It has to be dealt with as it is
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
The thanks button hasn't been here since the start. It was introduced in 2010 and was brought in because of all the people making crap posts saying thanks. Yes it still happens now but not as much as it probably used to happen.
[About XDA developers] vbhtt:
How about adding separate manufacturer sections for not-so-widely-used manufacturers? Eg Huawei/ZTE/Pantech Android Development, General, Q&A, and accessories. This way I'm sure there will be less requests to add fora for these manufactures' devices. I know the miscellaneous section is there, but this will be a little more organized. (This can be extended to major manufacturers as well)

Sent from my Nexus 7
[About XDA developers] boborone:
That's not a bad idea. Quite reasonable request. And I'm a guy who only buys flagship devices with mass international support. But that would alleviate a ton of requests from people who bought a $50 phone and can't fathom why there is no area on XDA for it. Just give the cheap China hardware an area.

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[About XDA developers] :
Thanks guys. I should fix my sig.

I was a fool when making it.

And, my e-penis will always be small lol

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[About XDA developers] Nigeldg:
In your particular case it's nowhere near as bad as you're making it out to be. In all honesty I didn't notice it until you pointed it out. The times people (or at least I) get properly annoyed by thanks requests are when a user has joined under a month ago with around 40-50 posts at the most and has something along the lines of

in their sigs. If that's what they have, I won't thank them no matter how useful their post is. If it's something like the one in your sig I just judge purely on how good the post is.
[About XDA developers] boborone:
FS. Here is another example of the double posting in tapatalk. Just happened to me.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=41310461

Next time should I pull a log cat and post it on a tapatalk board somewhere or could this possibly be a server issue that a log cat wouldn't pick up? I would post one, but I haven't been running into problems with any apps or ROM, so didn't have one running taking a record.

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[About XDA developers] undercover:
It's on xda side. Ignore.

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[About XDA developers] biknut1:
ROM Moving

I wanted to make a minor complaint about the moving of ROM's in the Verizon Smasung Galaxy Note 2 forums. Previously they were divided into Android Development and Original Android Development. Now, many of them have been moved from one section to the other, making them very confusing.

They were much simpler before- go into the section you were interested in and look at all those ROM's. Would you please consider changing the forums back to how they were originally?

Thank you!
[About XDA developers] Ghostfreak NB:
I second that ..

Truly I feel people do thank you whenever they feel that you've helped 'em out

And even if they don't,big deal? :rolleyes:

Also,Some just release their works for the sake of thanks

And couple of times I've reported it too and FS took care of it

Really,I don't understand the logic behind that ..

For eg.. I just remember a guy stating

"I'd release v4 of blah blah when my thanks meter crosses x number "
[About XDA developers] mnishamk:
How about adding a participated tab in the xda site as well. And to be able to remove threads from it too in both site and app.

Regards

N
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Yep, happens on the desktop browser too. Can't blame the app.
[About XDA developers] Deadly:
Actually this was mentioned by [MENTION=2764168]Sleepy![/MENTION] One or two weeks ago.. and FS said that we should contact him in pm if we don't want to report them in public or post here about them with a link to that post in both case.. just notifying anyone who want to report such things or who have seen such.. I heard from [MENTION=4662673]sandy7[/MENTION] that this has happened in their section too..

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Anyone who doesn't think there are two sides to an argument is probably in one.
[About XDA developers] Ghostfreak NB:
Thanks for clarifying on the solution in such scenarios

And it might be the same case that we're talkin about

cos

i'd informed [MENTION=4662673]sandy7[/MENTION] [MENTION=4842851]predatOr[/MENTION] as i was not able to reach out to a PC then so thought they could report or ask mods to look into it

And FS handled it easily and took care of it :good::silly:
[About XDA developers] coolsandie:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=40426497&postcount=1201

^^^ This, I guess it got buried under the replies. Just wondering if there's any implementations regarding it. Thanks!
[About XDA developers] jasamour:
Adding Value to Useful Posts

Hello to everyone in the Feedback/Recommendations for XDA Thread.

After reading this thread i gave it some thought. Let me know what you think.

- If helping people find things is our #1 goal, then I believe that we must find a way to surface/give value to the good content within a thread.

RATING POSTS and SORTING

1) What if ERDs, RDs, and/or OPs could rate the usefulness of the post within a thread, so that posts that have been rated will gain value and "ranking" over the irrelevant posts?

In turn, we would be able to sort and organize posts that do contribute with those that are just waste. Users will be able to sort the thread by date (default) and also by usefulness.

2) What if we left it to general or limited membership base (senior members only for example) to rate the usefulness and organization of a post. Similar to thanks, but in which you could possibly apply two more "attributes" to a post; a)This is Useful and b)This is Organized. These would eventually give a specific useful post value and weight.

Either or, I believe that this would promote well written replies and posts, and give them more opportunity to be seen within the first few pages of a thread if sorted. That way, if I am looking to search the most important topics within a thread, I will be able to sort and get informed fairly quickly and know if a specific question has been answered already.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Actually, our No.1 goal is development. XDA is not a help forum

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[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
Leaving the rating to just ERDs, RDs and OPs wouldn't work because a) They wouldn't have the time to rate the posts in their thread.

b) Even if they had the time, a lot probably wouldn't rate posts because they simply couldn't be bothered.

And c) If some posts are rated, it's only going to be accurate if the rest are aswell. Not all would get rated. It would just be the most important posts (e.g. if another member has written an FAQ for them) which would get rated. Just like the thanks button is only clicked by the dev/OP of a thread if it was useful for them.

A rating system is already in place for the Galaxy Nexus forum, in which users can either rate a post up or down. If it has a certain number of down votes, it's hidden but can still be revealed if the user chooses to. I'm not 100% sure on how effective it is though because I'm only ever on the app, therefore I won't see such effects.

While leaving it down to Senior Members and above may seem like a sensible answer it could still be abused, because of the fact that some members who have thousands of posts could still post crap and yet a member who only has 1 post could've made the best post ever possible on this site.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
The way I see it, we (more experienced members) are here to divert commonly asked questions from developers to let them concentrate on their work.
[About XDA developers] jasamour:
Adding Value to Useful Posts (cont...)

I agree and also agree with tinky:

Therefore, it does seem like a sensible answer to have senior member rate the post's usefulness/value.

I understand it can be abused and/or we can also underestimate the value of a noob with quality contributions, but I believe that in terms of scale, the rating system will indeed be more useful than not, since quality posts, like mentioned below, will be rated up and unnecessary posts rated down and hidden. If a quality noob turns out to be not just a passerby, then he will eventually get his chance to make great contributions.

This will help not just users, but everyone that has eyes on the thread. In relation to the web's "content above the fold" being the most valuable, I believe that in a thread, the first few pages should be the same. If a thread happens to have hundreds of pages, it is very difficult for everyone who has just landed on the thread to sort out all the freshest answers (old patches vs new patches on current build, new addons or suggestions, etc.).

If this has been something that was established in one forum already, how could this be established in other forums? What need to happen? How could we test the effectiveness of this system? And if it is indeed effective, how could we make it permanent for any new thread/forum?
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
I have no idea about this so a moderator/admin would be able to tell you more than I could about this.

It won't happen. If you want to report something about the ROM you'll have to help some people out in the sections you can access, or find someone in your forum who is on the same ROM and let them know so they can post it in the thread instead.
[About XDA developers] toyongbanatero:
praise

actually, i love here in xda..

though I wanted to post in the dev forum to help developers as a tester

but still, a big thumbs up :good:
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
You can test anything you want in Development, just not ask questions (that don't belong there anyways). Make your next eight posts worthwhile and you'll get there even faster ;)
[About XDA developers] zelendel:
One of your biggest issues is that you will find MIUI has no development here as it is a closed source China based rom. All the rom's here ( at least for now)are ports, not to much they can do.

Also posting an issue is OK but offering a possible fix is even better.

Batcom2
[About XDA developers] nikufellow:
Okay first of all am relatively a newbie here - i am not even sure whether i can post here because having back read a few pages i see posts mostly by rc's and very senior members including admins so please don't mind if my post seems to be of any offense all i wanted is to let out a few of my noob thoughts

This is a development forum - agreed completely ! but that doesn't mean the off topics should be left to deteriorate . If anybody of you could spend some quality time in the off topic threads (which am sure most of you might have already done) not only the main one but the ones in general sections of each and every device (including those in the legacy area ) you could find that nothing constructive is happening there - 90% trolling +5% utter pointless stuff+ 5% random discussion . One could argue that OT's are for such stuff and helps keep trolling and de railing in development threads to a minimum - agreed again but these days OT's feel like kinda trolling simply for the sake of trolling or increasing post counts not to mention thanks boost which is sure to come when you find the perfect meme for a scenario . By saying off topics being 'constructive' - i don't mean that development should happen there :p all i intend to say is that their purpose should be served well without compromises not spamming for post count increase .

From a newbie point of view , after reading full length guides on how to compile cm from source (yes am a noob !) or scratching heads after trying to play with twrp sources in the hope of porting it to a relatively un popular device (which landed me here ),OT would have been a better place for lighter moments . Though in past simply reading OT was fun now a days it has become kinda sticky board on my personal ignore list ( still i admit that there are some good stuff and great posters but you gotta spend time digging em out of dust ).

Suggestion : well I've read that disabling that thank/karma button on OT's have already been suggested but i doubt its effectiveness as from what i understand as long as post count keeps increasing people keep posting nonsense (including me :p). I would say that you must consider disabling (maybe temporarily on experimental basis ) both thanks and post count on OTs or if possible a simple mechanism should be evolved by which the forum could split the post count into two - the ones in OTs plus other threads .

One more suggestion rather request - don't make any harsh changes making the lives of us noobs difficult .

What i wrote above are just my personal interpretation of things - i do know that reality may be quite different so like i said earlier please don't mind if there is anything stupid or offensive in there . Also since am not native English and since my linguistic skills are nothing short of laughable i may not have fully conveyed what i actually intended to. And i do acknowledge the fact that this thread is not for newbies like me having very limited exposure to the community to give feedback - but just consider this us a humble suggestion i never intended to spam this thread .

Thank you for reading,

Regards
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
This has been suggested before and something I was keen to try..... but it was pointed out to me that a lot of new users go the OT/General to post their first 10 posts. If we remove that option then the device specific forums would start to get filled with these posts. It was seen as a lesser evil to let the OT trolls post in OT so they are not annoying others in the "real" forums..........and anyway, I do not judge a person by their e-penis (post count/thanks), I instead judge them by the content within their posts. A quick search of a persons post history will tell you more about that person that their post count
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
As you suggested, "thanks" has already been disabled in the "OFFICIAL" xda off-topic forum.

However, I, for one, barely see the "positive" effect of this, what it was actually intended for. People still post memes, share jokes and likenesses, and have a good laugh and spend some cooling time. Same as before.

Maybe discounting the posts from getting counted will have an effect, maybe not.

However, I do have problems regarding the "OFFICIAL" off-topic threads present in every sub-fora...

As garyd9 earlier pointed out, all of these threads have nothing "OFFICIAL" to their name. This is not restricted to only the off-topic threads, but also the other "official indian/(other country) thread", "official battery results thread" (what? :confused: )

Why are these 'official' offtopic threads present in the general device sections for? Don't we already have an actual official area designated to them? Why clutter the General device forum?

This also half-beats the purpose of disabling thanks in OT. Why are these threads allowed thanks for memes, while others aren't? Because they are "official"?
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Tbh, these are not "official" threads, but just the first thread which turns up like this in a device forum and the OP used the word "official". However, they do serve a purpose, they further reduce trolling and OT talk in each forum by having everything together in one thread. People will always choose to hang around in their own forum since often they don't even know about what exists outwith their own device area...
[About XDA developers] undercover:
That defeats the purpose of 10 post rule. In my understanding 10 post rule is there not to just stop people from spamming dev, but to make them read some before asking questions. By saying OT is a lesser evil you are basically allowing them to post crap, not read and once they have 10 post ask the same stupid questions. I'd rather have them post in general where people will point them in the right direction, so they learn a little before going to dev. I'd disallow OT for under 10 postees. I would also disallow ot threads in general forums. There is whole OT section for that. My 2c and I hope you guys will take it into consideration.

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