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[Nexus 4 General] hev88:
JBQ - " there is nothing in AOSP

related to Nexus 4"

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?fromgroups#!topic/android-building/-ymcoMuDAbA

dafuq???

Sent from my Maguro
[Nexus 4 General] kBTWOFOUR:
That really sucks!
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
Yeah that does suck. Looks like I'm skipping this device.
[Nexus 4 General] hev88:
Ya. Pretty much...

Too bad I already ordered it -.-

Oh well... he also said that he cannot comment on it being included in the future. I'm hoping by the time people start receiving them it will be added :)

Sent from my Maguro
[Nexus 4 General] Audioboxer:
Not quite sure what this means for us, can somebody explain to me in noob terms?
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
You guys are interpreting that wrong.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
its like any Samsung htc device that don't have open sourced drivers - hal's which is sucks :(:( :crying:
[Nexus 4 General] Audioboxer:
FUUUU

I just sold my One X to get away from a gimped development scene...
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
The N4 is aosp they are talking about something else

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
hehe , calm down cuz u will have vanilla android working out of the box ( so cm or aokp will work too i think )
[Nexus 4 General] TonyHoyle:
Just means they haven't released source for it yet, nothing more significant than that. Sometimes stuff isn't finished enough for release, or they have licensing issues with a driver or two. Google *always* eventually release though.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
O_o
[Nexus 4 General] gnan10:
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: is it really not aosp....??

i sold my galaxy s3 and my brother kept an order for 16 gb nexus over there in us for me....

i fu**ked up....
[Nexus 4 General] o_tiger:
... confused : how open sourced are other Nexus devices?
[Nexus 4 General] 3dawg:
I think some of you are overreacting. It's not in AOSP, YET.
[Nexus 4 General] hev88:
From the man himself

To clarify: Nexus 4 is not supported in AOSP at the moment: no source

files, no binaries.

JBQ

Sent from my Maguro
[Nexus 4 General] TonyHoyle:
Well, you can download AOSP, type a few commands and have something that boots a nexus device fairly quickly. I haven't looked too hard at it but assume there are some binary drivers that get thrown in there.

Google haven't release the build system for the N4 yet - OTOH you could probably hack one together yourself (none of the hardware on the N4 is new to android so presumably the drivers are out there somewhere).

All nexus devices are trivial to update via fastboot, and have builtin unlocks, and the N4 doesn't change that.
[Nexus 4 General] jameslfc5:
Fingers crossed it will be :D I need the AOSP browser haha
[Nexus 4 General] Stennan:
My guess is that they cant open source a lot of the qualcomm stuff for the modem and the SOC. The TI OMAP is a very open SOC, but they are basically the only ones in the business that do that so if someone want to tinker with GPU, SOC or modem drivers the nexus 4 will not be as open as the galaxy nexus.:confused:
[Nexus 4 General] 3dawg:
What the hell are you talking about? It still runs stock android...
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Are we here on xda developers or xda consumers?
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Android is still open source, and the device is still unlockable. What's stopping you?

TI are stopping the smartphone / tablet business to concentrated on embedded systems
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Nothing I have a Gnex :p
[Nexus 4 General] OneStepAhead:
I personally couldn't care less about AOSP, It has nothing to do with why I bought a Nexus. I would say the sparkly back is more important than AOSP to me :p

---------- Post added at 08:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 AM ----------

The majority are consumers without a doubt
[Nexus 4 General] molesarecoming:
why are you even here? this is a developer forum, i dont care about your wants and wishes man unless it is source/code related.

that device will obviously be the single most important android developer flagship - which is possible because of aosp which it must receive and probably will.

as for that statement on the previous page, legacy device ABC being just as good because guyXYZ made a crumbling devicetree without hwcomposer, its is not good enough and whoever you are you have probably never experienced true aosp on a true aosp-ready device.

the majority on xda developers are hopefully developers and those that benefit from their output. i know forums in which they'll dip you in tar for mentioning "aosp" but this place is different thank goodness.
[Nexus 4 General] AREyouNOOB:
both of you, what have you been smoking :cool:
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
I haven't made any wants or wishes, that would be the people complaining it isn't in AOSP. My point is you can't complain about a missing feature, if no one said it was going to be there in the first place. People have far too much of a sense of entitlement these days...

You really missed my point, totally. I am not saying it shouldn't be open sourced, I am saying we have no way of knowing why it isn't open sourced, we have no idea if is an issue that can be resolved, so if it is

really important

to you, don't buy the phone until it is in AOSP.

You also fail to realise that when Google talk about developers, they mean app developers, not ROM developers. The whole custom ROM scene is hobby scene, it's all done by people in their spare time for little or no money.

Google started the Nexus line for APP developers to have a reference device to develop their APPS on, they have now turned that Nexus line into a consumer line of products so normal people can enjoy Android without horrible 3rd party skins.
[Nexus 4 General] THE_KINGDOM:
I think your missing the point buddy, this is a developers forum. I think people here have the right to be a bit upset when there are rumours that a NEXUS device runs the risk of not having its source code released, due to possible licensing restrictions.

Remember what Nexus stands for.. it's supposed to be "open source" and "hackable". Used for development in all area's. This would be kind of hard to achieve without a full source code. Who ever said it was only for app development? Then why did they make the Nexus devices' entire source code available from the beginning then? Remember that Google often learns are thing or two, in terms of coding and ideas, from the developers who develop these custom ROM's and Kernels for these phone, it's always productive to have this kind of development ongoing to help improve an operating system for the future.

And they didn't turn the Nexus line into a consumer line, they just made it more appealing to consumers so they can reach out to that target market also, FINALLY offering the average consumer a true vanilla and frequently updated Android experience. And in doing that, it doesn't mean they have to sacrifice open source code rights.

I'm confident the source code will come soon, but everybody here has a right to be upset or worried about this. Nexus was the only true "hassle free" completely open device to develop for. And I mean a lot more than just apps, developing apps can easily happen even on a non-Nexus device.
[Nexus 4 General] molesarecoming:
i have no trouble with that. and i agree. but XDA is home to that very ROM scene. its like going to a plattform where chef-cooks exchange receipes and you tell them you like gas-station ravioli, who cares man. please keep consumerism out of here, at least out of this thread..
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Your

still

missing the point:

Will people please stop saying with certainty "it will come to AOSP", we have no evidence that it will.

If people keep reading it will happen, and it doesn't, they will be very angry. We don't have any proof it will.

This isn't an argument about what the Nexus line is for, I was just trying to voice an opinion that not everyone who wants to buy a Nexus device wants to install custom ROM's (which I do, I love making custom kernels), and that's not what Google intended it for, but that's not the point. The point is lots of people are spreading false information. If for example, it is a licensing issue, and Qualcomm don't want to give up the license, there is nothing Google can do about it, short of buying Qualcomm and sacking all the decision makers.

There is no obligation for it to happen from anyone, and it may never make it to AOSP. I hope it does, and soon, but it may never be an AOSP device, and telling people it will without any more information is wrong.

Edited bold statement so it doesn't look like it was directed at UKROB86
[Nexus 4 General] MXIIA:
All this means is that if you download AOSP from Google and compile it WITHOUT MAKING ANY CHANGES it will not boot properly.

the phone still ships with stock Android. (The only change is some drivers that the end user will never notice)
[Nexus 4 General] THE_KINGDOM:
Just FYI, I said "I'm confident the Source code will come soon", never said it definitely 100% will come. So I never told people "it will happen".

Seeing as you love running custom ROM's and making custom kernels, I'm surprised that your not a little uneasy about this. I mean, which device are you going to turn to?
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
I never named names, my point was trying to stop spreading misinformation. There are several posts in this thread with people saying it will definitely come to AOSP. I appreciate my post may have looked directed at you but it wasn't you just happened to be the last person I replied to, I apologise, I have amended it to be less directional.

The kernel source isn't anything to do with AOSP, and the kernel source for the Nexus 4 has been out for over a week. This only affects custom ROMs. As much as I enjoy them, it wouldn't stop me buying this phone. I mainly want a nexus device for vanilla Android and updates from Google, the ROM developer support is a massive bonus, but not a deal breaker for me.
[Nexus 4 General] THE_KINGDOM:
No worries.

Hmm I was under the impression that this affected kernel development also. Ok well I guess custom kernel development for this phone should still be possible then?

I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what will happen. But I really have my fingers crossed here, because as we all know, custom ROM's add a massive amount of functionality over stock Android, even when stock Android is ever improving.
[Nexus 4 General] steviewevie:
Chill out dude :)

When people are saying "it will come to AOSP" then they're just stating their personal opinion. Surely we can all have our opinion, it's what forums are for, right ?

If it doesn't come to AOSP (which I highly doubt will be the case), there will be plenty of angry people whether or not people are saying "it will come" in this thread.
[Nexus 4 General] shr33kant:
I am coming from an SGSII and I had a brief stint with a Galaxy Nexus before I sold it to buy an N4, my opinion is this:

If you like flashing ROMs and the like...this is most likely a deal breaker. Non supported AOSP devices' custom ROMs makes your brain have this little twinge when you run into that bug you know will likely never be solved because the source code was never released. When I had my Maguro I could flash without concern knowing full well that if there was a bug it could be solved by one of the talented Devs on xda. There was solace in the confidence that there is something that could be done about it, even if I personally couldn't do it myself. If the Nexus 4 never makes it into AOSP and this is the way the Nexus line is moving then I guess that feeling will be a thing of the past.

If you have never had this feeling then you probably haven't owned a "real" Nexus device and if things continue like this you may never again. Until the N4 makes it into AOSP in my eyes it won't be a true Nexus.

If you're even reading this then you're on this forum for a reason, whether it be flashing ROMs to get rid of that awful skin an OEM has smeared all over Android or if you were happy with it but wanted to change the colour. You're here because you like messing around with your device and nothing makes it easier on Devs than having a device on AOSP.

If you were going to buy an N4 for any of the above reasons and didn't manage to get one because of that ridiculous launch then you can count yourself lucky until it does get onto AOSP.
[Nexus 4 General] culaterout:
Lol, Srry This fork of LInux is bit confusing. I think yrs of me using Dos and Linux I ran them together. Ops lmao... :p

Funny that is what happens when you boot a 386 that sat in a warehouse for 5 yrs building up DUST. The Dust goes to your brain. I think the first linux or bsd system I ran was Netbsd or Redhat in 93/94.

Funny I think Android is going through the same infancy problems as Linux did with Unix Licensing. I could see in near future lawsuits starting up.

Until Touchwiz, Roms and many free and paid apps become apart of the Vanilla Android kernel this will be a debate.

Android has a large control based off of Phone Companies and what they want to charge for internet and phone usage.

Far as this whole AOSP goes not a real concern for me. I have been avoiding high phone bills for yrs now. Started with Boost mobile.

Now I use Walmart mobile (service based off of T-mobile) and get unlimited internet for 55 dollars a month.

Just a bonus to get a Nexus 4 phone with Jellybean 4.2 and unlocked service .

:laugh:

Sure when the dust settles binary's and Source code will be available. I'll be rocking CM10 with Touchwiz. :cowboy:

Wish you all the best.
[Nexus 4 General] blackhand1001:
No they have retracted that. The news media reported that prematurely.
[Nexus 4 General] gypsy214:
I just cant believe that Google brag about android being Open source and they going to lock the nexus 4. Whatever reason qualcomm wants it lock their giving this chip to google for the nexus 4 not a base android phone.
[Nexus 4 General] Stadsport:
Christ. Do people actually believe the Nexus 4 won't get AOSP support? Seriously?

Oh look, I think the sky might be falling, too.
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Yup people are sheep....

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] neotekz:
i dont believe anything until i see it happen or there is strong evidence that suggest it is true.

The sky is actually falling right now just not towards earth. The earth is free falling around the sun.
[Nexus 4 General] winner00:
You guys do know that the device folder for the N4 is in source so its pretty much supported now and can be easily built for. See: https://github.com/winner00/device-lge-mako
[Nexus 4 General] klin1344:
Say what??? I must download the source right now and see for myself :p
[Nexus 4 General] casonswag:
Is mako gonna be the nickname of this phone?
[Nexus 4 General] winner00:
Yep.
[Nexus 4 General] sarni84:
Yes it is the name of the phone. Boot into fast boot and u can see
[Nexus 4 General] casonswag:
Too bad i dont have the phone yet
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
not nickname.

but LG's code name for the device.
[Nexus 4 General] hev88:
Its actually occam
[Nexus 4 General] casonswag:
Okay say like this phone gets cm which name would be it or do we not know yet? Just wondering
[Nexus 4 General] boomn:
According to this article comparing it to the Galaxy Nexus names:

"mako" is the equivalent to "toro" and "maguro", i.e. the hardware nickname

"occam" is the equivalent to "mysid", "yakju" and "takju", i.e. the software build

So images show up under occam
[Nexus 4 General] Milamber33:
So is this confirmed now? N4 is now in AOSP?
[Nexus 4 General] Martin_Ro:
Sorry, I'm not an android dev, but that actually don't looks like a real source-tree for me. I couldn't see any driver source, the only driver related thing I see is a binary file from qualcom and many headers / definitions / makefiles.

I would think that "full source" contains driver-sources also, didn't it ?
[Nexus 4 General] bustem:
cm 10.1
[Nexus 4 General] XpLoDWilD:
Seems so. This is the real repository from Google: https://android.googlesource.com/device/lge/mako/
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
People aren't saying it as opinion, they are stating it as fact, and there are a lot of new guys here that will take that as gospel. It's misinformation.

Finally, someone else with common sense. People always say "everything up until now has done x..." and it makes me laugh.

Up until the Nexus S, all Nexus phones had microSD slots. Up until the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus phones were based of existing handsets. Up until honeycomb, Google always released the source code with a new device. Up until the Nexus 4, Nexus phones always had removable batteries.

Who's to say the next "up until" isn't nexus devices were always in AOSP? I really hope I am wrong, I honestly do, but until I see evidence to prove it will be (a statement from Google or the code itself), the ONLY evidence we have is these posts from JBQ:

and in response to the question "Can you please clarify what you said about the Nexus 4 and AOSP? Are you saying that Nexus 4 currently isn't in AOSP, or won't ever be in AOSP? " he replied

and before people highlight the "at the moment" and run away with it, that's something developers say to customers (I know, I say it all the time to our customers). Everything is theoretically possible, so you always say "at the moment we can't" cause it sounds better than no.

I just want to clarify my position. I love AOSP, I love custom ROMs, I really really want this phone to come to AOSP. All I am saying is we have no evidence that it will, so if some asks, just say "not at the moment" ;)
[Nexus 4 General] gnan10:
So is this confirmed now? N4 is now in AOSP? what do u say? :D
[Nexus 4 General] benrees21:
Is is true? It's in AOSP?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
as much as i want to jump for joy that the N4 is in aosp, lets not jump the gun. some dev or expert should let us know if its in aosp. i hope it is in aosp :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
It's in!

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] DerKiLLa:
Thanks God (and Google :))

Now its time for the awesome devs :)
[Nexus 4 General] Christian Troy:
I'm not at home, did anyone try to git clone it?
[Nexus 4 General] Goku80:
So is the phone now officially in the aosp support line

Sent from my ICJ powered by the greatness called NCX power.
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
I've only built twice but from my understanding it is. Looks like the master branch is there to pull a sync from.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Goku80:
cheers my friend...sorry ran out of thanks hence why this post
[Nexus 4 General] benrees21:
Change thread title to "Nexus 4 hits AOSP" ??
[Nexus 4 General] GR36:
Need conformation by someone used to building from source but to me it looks complete
[Nexus 4 General] Christian Troy:
is it me or it looks like tons of hal libraries are missing (they're not even present in the proprietary-blobs txt file)... example:

but there are no sources not even the "camera.msm8960.so" file inside proprietary-blobs.txt
[Nexus 4 General] benrees21:
Maybe it's incomplete. Might be getting it all ready to announce later today???

I have sent my personal ROM developer (:p) the link to see what he makes of it.
[Nexus 4 General] DarkRyoushii:
"You're a genius! Why didn't we think of that earlier!" -Google

^ I want this.
[Nexus 4 General] Vangelis13:
O_o
[Nexus 4 General] shr33kant:
If anyone can confirm this is the real deal I will go out and buy one from o2 ^_^
[Nexus 4 General] klin1344:
Yes, it seems to be the case. I downloaded the source myself yesterday to take a look.
[Nexus 4 General] GR36:
A few people have said to me it incomplete and that you need an occam device tree also.

Mako refers to the device i.e. tuna in the gnex.

but you need the specific hardware e.g. maguro, torro

and we need occam

update: setyx confirmed all the binaries are still missing for the n4
[Nexus 4 General] P00t:
Maybe they will release it to aosp after a full week of release .?
[Nexus 4 General] GR36:
Imo Its a sure sign that it is coming as when aosp was release there was no reference to nexus 4 other than kernel
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
The libraries are still missing, so we are still in the same position as before. The compiled libraries can be pulled from the phone
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
Well they started uploading the N4 sources, so its only a matter of time when the rest will follow, either as blobs or as source.

I think thats what Google is working on right now, to get as much source as possible.

lawyers :(
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Where can I buy your crystal ball?
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
ebay+N4 for 1000$... of course the 8GB version :D

So you say you are expecting that Google will leave the sources like they are now? Without adding at least blobs?:confused:
[Nexus 4 General] Milamber33:
Okay, so consensus on this right now is that it's incomplete, and thus effectively just a placeholder.

Sent from The Past into The Future via The Present.
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
I don't say anything.

I don't know what will happen so I just wait and see what's happening.
[Nexus 4 General] GR36:
It is the graphics and wireless LAN missing. Pulled these from the phone.
[Nexus 4 General] klin1344:
Yes...the proprietary blobs must be pulled from the phones, but the source is there.
[Nexus 4 General] gnan10:
so whats the matter....??????

nexus 4 has its sources now...?? tel me guys going to buy this one :)
[Nexus 4 General] m11kkaa:
I can compile for Nexus4 but I don't know if it would boot. There are many diff's to factory-images provided by google.
[Nexus 4 General] klin1344:
The source is there, but it is partially incomplete because we need the proprietary blobs. They can be pulled off of the phone though, so it shouldn't be a problem. I'm also guessing that Google will officially release the binaries soon, because why in the world would they release only part of the source? It doesn't make sense.
[Nexus 4 General] gnan10:
Nice nd thanx buddie...currently i am getting this one definitely... :)
[Nexus 4 General] jorgord:
no news about that? I think it is important...
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
+1
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Not at all you can pull them from the phone. That's why you are starting to see aosp roms pop up

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
https://plus.google.com/115049428938715274412/posts/MQCUug82uva
[Nexus 4 General] stealthj:
No drivers.... no boot....

https://twitter.com/NitrozK/status/301447486151745537
[Nexus 4 General] benrees21:
What a joke!

Sent from my Nexus4™
[Nexus 4 General] casonswag:
Wtfff why are they sleeping on this wonderful nexus man!
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
AW: Nexus 4 not in AOSP

So who is this guy and why an I running an aosp based ROM which magically boots?

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 4 mit Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 General] boomn:
A license hang-up like this wouldn't prevent LG from selling phones that include the drivers and apparently doesn't prevent Google from distributing a factory recovery image, so no matter what community developers are always going to be able to get copies of the drivers for their ROMs. But it does prevent Google from distributing the drivers separately on their binaries page. And since the download license on the factory image page doesn't allow the files to be "disassembled, decompiled, reverse engineered, modified or redistributed by you or used in any way except as specifically set forth in the license terms that came with your device" I don't think you can build your own boot-able image including drivers without technically breaking some driver redistribution license
[Nexus 4 General] Crisisx1:
N4 is android open source project
[Nexus 4 General] rufaz:
planned to purchase n4. but seeing lg's attitude. i'll head towards Z instead.
[Nexus 4 General] Turb0wned:
So my over one year old Galaxy Nexus got the update but my 4 month Nexus 4 doesn't.......
[Nexus 4 General] linh1987:
Use your head. Do you even know what AOSP and its purpose is?
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
LG has nothing to do with the N4 not being AOSP supported. In the end it doesn't even matter as their is only one real component that isn't available and it can be pulled from the stock rom.
[Nexus 4 General] galaxys:
Don't worry gang...XDA will figure a way!