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[Nexus 4 General] Guster730:
I agree, I'm using an iPhone 4 until my N4 arrives and it's pretty nice, although I prefer Android over iOS. If I had a Galaxy Nexus I don't think I'd upgrade to a N4 myself, but I've never owned a nexus device.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
My understanding is that jailbreaking an iPhone results in a lot more hardware instability that rooting an Android. I'm not certain of how iPhone's deal with permissions, my understanding is that basically every single non standard command is a hack. Whereas with android you need only "hack" it if it's a locked phone, and then the hack is just mount /system as rw and insert the su binary and apk. Since Android is based in linux, the system is already designed to deal with root level privilege. So if I just want to change the look of my pull down tabs with custom pngs, I'm not really screwing with any hardware level binaries.
[Nexus 4 General] InvalidUsername:
Not sure how permission works, but unless you add really silly apps/mods to a jailbroken iPhone, it functions basically the exact same as a regular iPhone.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Okay, I'm just going off word of mouth and friends' experience. Personally the only thing I've seen that makes me hate iPhones is Steve Jobs' presentations and when a bunch of people with iPhones get me stuck in their mass texts loop and I'm constantly getting pointless MMS' :mad:
[Nexus 4 General] InvalidUsername:
Ahaha I agree. I hate fanboys on any OS. Personally, I've chosen Android, because it is the best OS for my needs. However, I've also given iOS and Windows Phone (7.5, not 8) a try, and when Blackberry 10 comes out, I'm definitely going to try that. I never judge an OS by its users. If I were to do that, I'd hate Android. Speaking from pure observation, I'd say the number of Android fanboys has probably surpassed that of iOS fanboys within the last year. Open up any major iOS vs Android review video on the web, and you'll see that there are WAY more Android fanboy comments accusing the reviewer of being biased towards iOS vs the other way around. This is the case even if the reviewer prefers the Android device. Its really annoying.
[Nexus 4 General] James.UBC:
the only thing I that really bugged me was how much space was wasted on the pcb.

seriously, they could probably have fitted a good 2300 or 2500 mAh battery if they tried a little harder
[Nexus 4 General] onthecouchagain:
Is the Anandtech review running the final software?
[Nexus 4 General] Mohit12:
Yeah I think they are.
[Nexus 4 General] onthecouchagain:
That is sad then regarding the battery life. What happened to 15+ hour talk time? That was the trade off for LTE. :crying:
[Nexus 4 General] thenext1:
You're right spot-on there, these are about the first time reviewers face the thermal throttling issue in a mobile device. There's also the lack of a benchmarking tool that monitors cpu max frequency while looping, so as to instantly highlight thermal throttling issues.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
i'm still thinking the problem is bigger than thermal throttling issues :rolleyes:

all three devices has qualcomm s4 pro

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/14/xiaomi-phone-2-mi-two-review/

Xiaomi Phone 2 get 14500 in antutu N4 get 9000 and padfone2 get 15000 , Xiaomi Phone 2 get 1142 in sunspider N4 get 1900 , Xiaomi Phone 2 get 1750 in vellamo 2 N4 get 1200 , in quadrant Xiaomi Phone 2 get 7500 N4 get 4500

:eek::eek:
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
Agree....my guess is no benchmark is ready for 4.2. There were similar issues when ICS came out.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
nooo i mean there is problem with the cpu :/ ( or mother board or bad design cuz over heating )

4.2 is small update from 4.1.2 , not like from 4.0 to 4.1 + xiaomi phone 2 running 4.1 not ics :rolleyes:

even htc droid dna beat N4 in all benchamrks and its pushing more pixels :http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_droid_dna-review-849p3.php
[Nexus 4 General] Martin_Ro:
4.2 is not the problem, I think, the problem is 3.4 kernel, this is complete new to android world.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
so why Google used 3.4 if its not finished yet or maybe they shouldn't release it with 3.4 kernel if it not finished -_-
[Nexus 4 General] haydonxda:
May cancel

I was one of the lucky ones who managed to order an N4 yesterday. But I may cancel.

I initially said I was going to wait and then I told myself, "it can't be that bad can it?" But I'm beginning to see that my suspicions were right. It can be.

The phone who's camera performance is no better than the Galaxy Nexus on the resolution chart, has a completely uncompensated LCD display, thermal throttling, poor battery life, bad benchmark scores, etc. There are just too many known issues with the phone already.

I hate the Apple locked down ecosystem (accessories are great though!) but I want hardware that just works and they've got that. The Anand review really struck home with how poor our Android devices are doing against them. The entire stable of Android devices are getting whipped by a single Apple device in every category.

Some things I'd hate to do without are occasional tethering, emulators, and larger displays.

I'm 50/50 right now.
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
i have a question; if this is the final software, why doesn't it have a 3 decimal number? shouldn't be 4.2.1 instead of just 4.2?
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
Tegra3 powered HTC One X (International) had the same problems with thermal throttling (was much more performant in freezer).
[Nexus 4 General] Geo411m:
So you're considering Apple due to some benchmarks? Don't get me wrong iPhones are nice with great build quality but the Android OS is great and now we have a phone with great build quality as well. I don't know about you but I don't care about benchmarks and will be sticking it out with Android.
[Nexus 4 General] jb91:
Unfortunately the build quality of the Nexus 4 seems extremely bad, as it has severe overheating issues.
[Nexus 4 General] haydonxda:
No, it's an accumulation of things. First, I've never had an Android device that's worked correctly. There have always been significant issues. The early information on the Nexus 4 is to expect the same. I'd hoped Google would have gotten their act together but it's clear they just rely on whomever is building the device to do the engineering. So I expect the same old "just another disposable phone in our lineup of many to push out the door" mentality from LG on this device.

I could have a phone for years and be happy if the darned things did what they were advertised to do. But I've enjoyed Android and the unique things that could be done with them and overlooked basic functionality too long. I'm getting sick and tired of that and want a phone that isn't a hobby. "Try this, that. Maybe that kernel, tweak, etc will improve battery life" Apple eventually gets it right and their engineering and testing is top notch. It makes sense because they don't have a gazillion different devices to engineer and support so far more attention gets paid to every device.

I want a phone with an accurate color display, a good camera, working GPS (oy, latest Apple maps sux), battery life, capacity, performance, etc. Apple does provide all of that but they lack the 'fun' factor of Android. But that 'fun' factor is now turning into a negative.

The N4 just seems to be another in a long line of phones that could have been great if they took a bit more time to get it right. But... they didn't.
[Nexus 4 General] Phorce:
Agree 100%

I thought I was the only one! I say cancel it for now and wait till next month and see if they managed to iron out the problems.

Benchmarks in some cases don't show real world performance but looking at the iPhone 5, Optimus G and Xiaomi Phone 2 mop the floor with Nexus 4 is very disappointing!
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
The thing about android is you can make it any way you want. If it isn't working right than change it..

Benchmarks mean crap... You are passing up on something because of benchmarks? Insanity...

---------- Post added at 11:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:29 PM ----------

There will be ota updates that fix the battery issue, etc..
[Nexus 4 General] haydonxda:
Sorry, you can't change the thermal design, limited control of vendor drivers, display calibration, etc. This goes well beyond "I'd like to change my scheduling algorithm". Even if it didn't, I don't want to HAVE do that. I'd like to do it if I want to experiment but I don't want to have to do it just to try to get things working properly.

The community is great and have expanded on Android in fantastic ways. But they don't engineer the phone hardware and there's a lot that's well beyond their control. Witness Exynos processors being dropped because chip vendors won't provide basic documentation.
[Nexus 4 General] kindiboy:
Get off your high horse, tell me how you feel after being so sure and then be totally wrong...

Youtube doesn't allow you to use their service if you don't keep the video on the screen, go to your little ios product and check jasmine app check the change log then disappear.
[Nexus 4 General] D3m0x:
You already have one?
[Nexus 4 General] Sarsippius:
I have the HTC One XL and was thinking of passing that on to a family member for the cost of the N4 but I think I've changed my mind after this review. Having the dual-core Krait chip I figured the quad would be more of the same plus more but the thermal issues are a major drawback. The GPU is of course much better but I have the Nexus 7 for games, I'm not sure quad cores are ready for phones, seems to have the same issues as the Tegra 3 getting too hot and sucking too much juice.

I was prepared to sacrifice a few things to get the pure android experience that's missing from the One XL but now it seems that that is the only advantage it has over the XL. I'm a fairly light user and easily get two days out of a charge and don't want a step backwards in that area, a marginally worse screen, far less storage and a chip that's not clearly better and I'm not sold on it anymore. Even if it won't cost me anything.

Of course in isolation it's a great phone and phenomenal for the price but ultimately it looks like it's just not an upgrade from my current phone.
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
You and all of the others need to stop adding the Xiaomi Phone 2 to the list. I would love to have it, and its only $330.. but really theres no way you'll ever get your hands on it. Maybe on ebay for like $700 or something crazy.
[Nexus 4 General] Martin_Ro:
Because that's what's the Nexus line stands for. The newest software technology related to android. And yes, sometimes it means that it maybe has some issues when it's starts, but I have a strong beleave that google will sort it out by time.
[Nexus 4 General] jocke_lulle:
Has someone seen/read any comment from google about the thermal throttling?
[Nexus 4 General] powerwagon:
I think thermal throttling has been disproved due to basically same benchmark scores when used in a freezer. The issue is simply the kernel and getting those bugs worked out...which Google will do in sue time.
[Nexus 4 General] mesasone:
It's the opposite actually. The phone scores much higher in many of the benchmarks in the freezer. Then numbers in the final Anand review show the results when not running one benchmark immediately after another.

I'm going to take a wait and see stance on this device. My One X LTE (AT&T) is more than adequate, so I'll just keep using it and see what happens with updates the developers' scene.
[Nexus 4 General] qreffie:
All this complaining about benchmarks and battery life is ridiculous. I have never met anyone nor has the situation came up where I needed to watch 5 hours of video on my phone or do 8 hours of constant web surfing and then go about the rest of my day. My Galaxy Nexus gets me through an entire day's worth of usage easily. This phone will too.

If you want a phone that will out benchmark every other phone out there go buy an iPhone. Everyone out there upset that Google's latest and greatest can't beat an iPhone 5 in a benchmark test needs to get over it. Apple makes only one phone a year and they have the important bits custom made for their device. They maintain complete control of their software and how it works with its internals, so yes the new iPhone will always win in a benchmark competition because Android OEMs make several devices a year and either manufacture or buy CPUs, GPU, and whatever else that will work for all their releases. Sure Google could do the same as Apple and have a bunch of stuff custom made for their device, but then we'd all be paying $500-$600 for our Nexus 4s and not the $300-$350 we're paying now. All to win a contest that has nothing to do with real world usage.

Everyone's saying it's got thermal throttling issues. Considering the only time these "issues" have come up are in a benchmark test I'd hardly be concerned. No reviewer has mentioned the phone getting hot in their pocket or when they were using it for actual things you use a smartphone for. Running benchmarks isn't really something I do on a daily basis with my phones - I can see your concern if it's something that is a daily ritual for you to do so you can feel good about yourself.

Most every reviewer has given this phone their blessing saying it's awesome and the best Android phone on the market. I'm glad that I'll be using one soon and I look forward to what Google has to offer next year.
[Nexus 4 General] Pratz852:
First I was worried, because of the Browser Benchmarks being so low..

I really don´t know the criteria how the scores are measured, but I just found this comparison between the GALAXY nexus and Iphone 5.

Skip to @12.10 Minute , he does a browser comparison test..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz76Eu9FEMo

What does the Browserbenchmark actually do? In this case the Galaxy Nexus is pretty much quicker in loading Sites, using GoogleNow/Sir etc.

So the Nexus 4 incoporates better hardware than the Galaxy Nexus, it should handle the tasks even quicker?

idgi.... I need a real life comparison of iP5 and N4 to be certain...
[Nexus 4 General] bakron1:
I have been a loyal Nexus user since the N1 and this device is right up there with the other Nexus models and in allot of ways has surpassed them in performance. Bought mine yesterday and sold my GNEX and not looking back. I have been using it for two solid days and I am loving the phone. I know Google would never put the Nexus name on a device if they where not sure it would perform like it previous models, if not better.

I am not into playing games or watching movies on my phone, I use mainly as a communication device which it was meant to be used as. I hear all these folks complaining about battery life, I have used mine like I normally would during the day and found the battery equal if not better then my GNEX. My solution to all my friends who always complain and cell phone battery life has always been the same, buy a GOOD car charger and you will never have any issues in the future.

Loving my new Nexus 4 on the USA T-Mobile network.
[Nexus 4 General] jocke_lulle:
I know that I shouldn't look too much on the benchmark scores but it seems like the lg optimus g performed well in these benchmark tests

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_att_sprint-review-851p5.php

I just felt like the nexus 4 should give about the same scores...

But, the lg og ran ICS and n4 jb 4.2. On my nexus 7 I got a feeling that after I updated to 4.2 the device didn't perform as well as before(some lag in ui and chrome) so maybe it has something to do with the software.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m.r.davies:
Hi

I've got an Original 10.1 tab wifi only

I thought it was a p7510 or something similar

However, all the Roms seem to be for p1000 or similar

I pressume this is the tab 2?

Anyway

What jelly bean Roms if any are there for my tab?

Currently running stock ics

Thanks

Mark
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ypsmav:
Hi,

You are in the wrong forum.

Pls go here: http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1050

I hope it helps.

regards
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AvRS:
As stated this is the wrong forum as this is for the original 7" tab P1000.

Closed to avoid confusion.

Thanks

AvRS
[Nexus 7 Accessories] DrBlast33:
I noticed that the Google store now labels the Nexus 7 cases as "wifi only". So I only imagine, they need a thicker case for the 3G version. Hopefully they come out with all the colors today with the unit instead of months afterwards.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] Draje0:
I'm not sure if it will be thicker or not. They could have just said it's wifi only as the SIM slot would be inaccessible with the wifi's case.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] spongers:
I sure hope you're right. Don't want to have to buy another case for my car mount hack job.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] nolook:
I really don't want to have to get another case...

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 Accessories] Troute:
Specs are identical 198.5 x 120 x 10.45mm for sizes so unless the back has a slightly different curve to it (Google seem to use the same images for both types so probably not) I can't see a problem getting it to fit even a clip-in case. If you have one of the slip in leather type ones then it 'will' fit fine. As said above you 'might' have to remove it to access the sim slot.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] imapirate:
For the nexus 7 3G, they also moved the location of the rear side speaker.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] chismay:
speaker * microphone :good:
[Nexus 7 Accessories] Radical_Monkey:
I can confirm that the 3G variant fits the WiFi case, just got mine delivered and it fits like a glove :)
[Nexus 7 Accessories] spridell:
Does the microphone still work?
[Nexus 7 Accessories] drwhyung:
I'd like to know as well since I bought a Speck fitfolio case for my N7 3G :(
[Nexus 7 Accessories] adz7777:
So the 3g version does fit in the wifi versions case?

suprised because it says wifi only case...
[Nexus 7 Accessories] adz7777:
is the reason that the official nexus case wont fit 3g is coz it will block the signal/antenna?
[Nexus 7 Accessories] NealJ777:
Speck will be releasing a "universal" FitFolio that will fit both the Wi-Fi only and the 3G version. No current ETA on the new case.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] InGeNeTiCs:
Wifi and 3g versions are identical with the exception of the microphone placement. That's the only reason for them being labeled WiFi only.

I have a speck fitfolio and I'm just going to drill a small hole. The worst thing that could happen is that I ruin a case that's pretty much useless anyways...
[Nexus 7 Accessories] zelzel:
Drilling TPU

I have a TPU case from amzn which is WiFi-only, and indeed, does fit fine, except for the mic holes.

I'm trying to drill out the TPU but it is not cutting - it just wraps around every drill bit i put in there and seals the hole up again when I pull the bit out!

Any tips on drilling out TPU?

or I'll return this to Amazon (heck, it only has one small self-sealed hole) and find the right case when they come out. Still haven't found an 3G specific TPU case.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] psloan:
I would use a belt hole punch That is what I am going to use on my seidio case.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] NealJ777:
What about the SIM card slot?
[Nexus 7 Accessories] psloan:
Why do you need to get to the sim card when the case is on?
[Nexus 7 Accessories] Falzo:
Make sure the tip of the bit is sharp. And I would say drill at a low speed so that the bit can catch in the TPU.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] GuestK003:
Anyone have any luck finding a good portfolio case for the GSM version?
[Nexus 7 Accessories] drwhyung:
Any info on the ETA of the redesigned version?
[Nexus 7 Accessories] FrankieADZ:
i was wondering that too, I've looked around on Ebay(yeah not the best place I know) & there arent many about at all....theres 1 sellers claming to have some....but i highly doubt it.

Wonder if Google/Asus will release some sort of case for the 3G version. :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 7 Accessories] flyfingersfly:
recently got the speck fitfolio. i just noticed the screen does not always turn on or off when you open or close the case. my nex7 is the 3g one. i'm wondering if the magnet placements are different for the 2 models too. because the video reviews of the fitfolio all show it turn the screen on and off flawlessly.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] Croptop:
I just received my FitFolio case today. The power on/off seems to be working perfectly on my N73G. For what it's worth, my case is definitely one of the newer, reworked cases that has microphone holes in the correct locations to match the 3G N7.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] flyfingersfly:
i just recently realized the magnets are on the inner edge (the edge away from the volume buttons) of the front. you can actually lift the entire outer edge half of the case and the screen would stay off until that part leaves the screen. and its definitely a matter of alignment. the outer edge of the screen cover has to align with the outer edge of the glass front (instead of the outer edge of the case's plastic shell) for the magnets to align proudly properly and the screen to turn off and on.

i sometimes pull it out of my bag to find the screen on. probably accounting for inconsistent battery drain I'm seeing.

my case is for the wifi only version.
[Nexus 7 Accessories] noah93:
I recently just bought the nexus 7 32gb 3g variant, even though the microphone is moved i tested it in the case and it made very little difference when using the microphone, although me being a little dissatisfied i made a small hole just enough for the microphone to be visible.:)
[Nexus 7 Accessories] ronime:
Asus have updated the travel case design (look for the blue WiFi and 3G symbols in the bottom left corner on the front of the packaging). Microphone holes are in the correct place for my N7 3G. Strangely the case also has a hole for the sim tray release. :-S
[Nexus 7 Accessories] ACTPOHABT:
Where do buy one? Thank you.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] nemster1:
My facebook sync was fine on stock ICS. CM-10 my sync does not work. A lot of my phone numbers are on facebook not to mention I enjoy having my friends photos in my contacts. Please help . Thanks
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] mt3g:
Search around. SyncMyPix for their pictures, for numbers I'm not entirely sure, but I'm sure there is an app out there.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] nemster1:
Thanks. I'm mostly concerned about my phone numbers
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] mt3g:
There should be an app out there, or pick the ones you know you'll need and actually save them to your phone.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Master Loon:
Try Haxsync
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] mt3g:
great app I use it also but I don't suggest apps that cost money usually. Does it actually sync peoples numbers?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Master Loon:
Funny you ask. I swore it synchronized # on my one s. Doesn't seem to now:confused: gotta check into this
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Fitchman:
See here for a modified Contact apk

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2064859
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] No1ustad:
Thats for 10.1, not 10
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] mt3g:
[MOD][CM10.1] Enabling Facebook Contact Sync In CM10.1 JB and maybe AOSP ROMs
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] cybok0:
Try ubersync.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ro.weednet.contactssync
[Microsoft Surface] yokuyuki:
I was just curious what kind of idle battery life you guys are getting as mine is awful. In 6 hours overnight, mine drains 9% even after closing all applications before I went to sleep. Upon checking app history, the only significant entry is 29 seconds of cpu time to mail. Any idea what's going on here?
[Microsoft Surface] diablos991:
Mine doesn't drain near that quickly.

Did you leave any apps open? I generally close everything when leaving it overnight.
[Microsoft Surface] yokuyuki:
Yup, closed everything, but still drains that much. I did a diagnosis and my original battery life when I first got it was much better, but I'm not sure what changed to make it much worse.
[Microsoft Surface] spongers:
What app are you using to see the stats? I am not sure how my battery life is so far, but anecdotally it seems great so far.