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[Nexus 4 General] Freshly_Snipes:
The issue is Quallcom doesn't want the S4 SOC drivers public (for obvius reasons)...Not Google's fault. Don't scream bloody murder just yet. It'll be worked out.
[Nexus 4 General] culaterout:
Wow, you perplex me with your reasoning of why there going to release the kernel and source code on day one.

You think two Stanford Phd graduates who do algorythms for google search engine dont already have there hands full with the release of LG Nexus 4, Nexus 7 and Nexus 10.

Furthermore bewildering is your idea! Larry Page and Sergey Brin with the team of Software Engineers and LG Developers are going to make there brand of phone standout from the crowd. I imagine that the LG Nexus 4 works hand in hand with the tablets.

Lastly Im sure There aware of poor Hardware and Manufactoring and software support would lead people to abandon there Nexus phone. So they worked hard to make sure unforseen errors wouldn't happen. They got one chance to release a great product so there putting there best foot forward.

Your knee jerk reaction! Is just to complain about source code and binary.

Let me get my phone first and wait a month after christmas and I suspect they will release the code.
[Nexus 4 General] Venekor:
What does this even mean?

Like what impact does this have on the phones functionality?
[Nexus 4 General] milkisgood123:
I hope some who posted negative comments in this thread aren't developers. Because any dev would know that this WILL come out soon. It's only a matter of time before they release it in AOSP.
[Nexus 4 General] Prom3theu5:
:D

Well... Here is another one for you

Your route home directly passes an apple orchard.

Its 12:00p.m. and your sat at your desk at work.

Its now 12:01p.m. An Apple falls from a tree in the orchard. Nobody is around to hear it / see it fall.

Does it make a sound? <<----- Of course it bloody does. It makes a sound - but it doesn't make a noise. Why?

Because the definition of noise is unwanted sound. Since nobody is around to hear the sound - its not noise... simply a sound....

Moving Along.....

Its Now 17:30pm.

You are walking home and see the apple lying by the fence in the orchard.

You pick it up and eat it carrying on - on your way.

The question is - is that really your apple?

Because you didn't enter the Orchard, It wasn't fixed to a tree... it was simply lying on the ground next to you.

So - Is fair game allowed? Can you eat it - or should the Apple Farmer drag your ass to court for stealing one of his apples?

Since there are so many hardware platforms and chipsets that android will run on - its impossible for them all to be contained within the same license. Some will have to remain closed source and the property of the hardware manufacturer. Simple Business. If you have something that works - You wouldn't tell your direct rival about how it works would you?

Now we can argue that it would be better to share this. And This is an argument I would agree with. Since the sharing of ideas is the reason why the web was developed in the first place, then surely open sourced code sharing leads us to a better, brighter future.

Can't we all just - get along?
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Do we really know that? Have seen an official statement? Or do you just assume it because of the other Nexus devices?

The only thing we know for sure is at the moment that we don't have AOSP support. Nothing more.
[Nexus 4 General] MarkGbe:
a lot of you guys are nutso, lol.
[Nexus 4 General] GR36:
That has been kicked out of Aosp now
[Nexus 4 General] jameslfc5:
It doesn't have the stock browser tho! Well it does but unfortunately the new "stock" is Chrome
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Just download any cm 10 ROM and pull the apk

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
but the device being able to be in AOSP will point to that the nexus 4 will be in AOSP. hopefully by the end of the month *crossing fingers*
[Nexus 4 General] Kenneth131:
Brilliant now that's a logical way of thinking. Too many chickens without their heads on these forums recently

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] molesarecoming:
no idea what you mean by that or what you want to tell me, it relates to nothing what i've said and i think you might be confused. all im saying is aosp is one of the main reasons why this phone stands out. i think most people dont realize what aosp means, its not just "code and binaries," its a never seen before freedom that has the power to uproot the entire market, it creates possibilities. its vital they get this stuff straight, but they know that aswell of course .....
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
When did the bianaries for the GN release in relation to the launch?
[Nexus 4 General] molesarecoming:
i didnt recall jbq state "no aosp for maguro, no comment for the future."

but what do i know. i didnt mean to panic or say it wont or will come. of course they'll try to figure things out and release when and if ready. i understand there's more parties involved and it might not be up to them alone.
[Nexus 4 General] jameslfc5:
I've tried that before tho with the S3 and it didn't work
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
It's going to be in AOSP. You guys should stop the whining.
[Nexus 4 General] dsmitty166:
This applies to the nexus how? All it says is 4.2 is being pushed to aosp. This does not mean the nexus has it...
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
..except it does. Can you put two and two together? Why would Google make it so easy to unlock this device like all other Nexus devices? "It wont be AOSP, but we'll include a couple things that the previous Nexus had..." I don't think so.
[Nexus 4 General] dsmitty166:
Yes I can. And YOU are assuming like everyone else in here. Yes I'm confident they will work it out. But this doesnt verify or prove anything. There are, after all, how many other android devices that will use this.
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
In no way was I intending to sound arrogant or condescending. I don't own the GN and was simply wondering if anyone remembered how that launch went in regards to AOSP.
[Nexus 4 General] molesarecoming:
then i got you on the wrong foot my friend, feelings ran high around here because of the issue and im kinda charged aswell because im looking forward to fooling around with it. :)
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
You need to root and use root explorer to do it. You should be able to move the apk to the system folder and reboot and it should work for you. There is a root method in the Dev section

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
It means the essential open source drivers of Nexus 4 is gradually been posted in AOSP, i.e. AOSP for Nexus 4 will happen. Will take some time, but will happen.

Calm down.
[Nexus 4 General] dsmitty166:
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong...

Where do you get anything out of this information that the drivers of the Nexus 4 are getting added to the device tree?

You DO realize that the nexus 4 isn't the only android device right? They are pushing 4.2, but it's only available to devices that have been added to the device tree. Such as the Nexus 7, or many others. Since the Nexus 4 device tree has not been added, 4.2 getting pushed to AOSP means nothing for us.

Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
If you read the AnandTech article, you'll see a few hints:

1. No device before Nexus 4 uses BCM20793 as NFC controller.

2. Broadcom fully open source its NCI stack.

3. A New NFC Forum specification aim to standardize HAL between NFC and SoC.

All of above does not explicitly saying "woohoo Nexus 4 will be in AOSP next second". But things are moving. It'll get there.
[Nexus 4 General] dsmitty166:
From what I read in the article. It's pretty much 2 different stories in one....

1) Android 4.2 pushed to AOSP

2) The nexus 4 has new and improved hardware

I sill don't see anything about how this says that the N4 is getting close to being added to the device tree....

Anyways, I hope it does, actually will be pissed if it doesn't.

From what I've read, it seems to be the SoC that is the hangup...
[Nexus 4 General] Daft*mau5:
we conclude from all of this that the nexus 4 just wasn't ready for it's prime time yet : thermal issues (should have been furthermore tested before approval for production) , unready software ( incompletely licenced , release ......)

The best thing to do right now is to wait a month or so until the issues resolve themselves

Edit: I hope the thermal issues are fixed by a hardware reversion :o
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
Hardware found only on the n4 is being added to aosp... How does this apply to the nexus? Hmm... I don't know. ;)
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
um....are we reading the same article?
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
I guess I'm sort of assuming...but I'll still be completely shocked if all of this is true. Why change now? The Nexus phones have always been for developers. Again youre right I'm assuming. I can only hope none of this is true though, and I can't imagine that it is.
[Nexus 4 General] dsmitty166:
Quote :"I’m burying the lead a bit here, because today Broadcom confirmed some observations I made about the Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 and their NFC solutions."

Just because broad com confirmed his observations doesn't mean they are being added. Show me where it says they are being added?

He himself said "I'm burying the lead a bit here"

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I agree 100% that it would be completely ridiculous for them not to add it.

I just dont agree with people automatically assuming it will be done. Or stating that it is being done right now.
[Nexus 4 General] 309041291a:
I'm just going to come out and say it.... It's a Nexus. Eventually, sooner or later it will get on the AOSP train.

Nexus S (GSM i9020a)

AOKP (Milestone 1 - 4.1.2)

Matrix Kernel (24.0 - CFS)

Ondemmand (Screen On) (800/100)

Wheatley (Screen Off) (400/100)

Deep Idle (N/A - Deadline)

BLX (N/A - Inverted Apps)

Black Exodus (Stock Voltage)
[Nexus 4 General] lowrider262:
Here ya go, already been taken care of... http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=34132038
[Nexus 4 General] unoo:
To all the people who want to cancel their order because of this: Please cancel your order so I can get one soon :laugh:

thanks
[Nexus 4 General] qwahchees:
So we don't really have to worry, AOSP will be coming to the Nexus 4 eventually?

Given time of like a month I suppose?

In the meantime, does that mean CM and AOKP won't be stable for the N4?
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
Correct and correct.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] qwahchees:
Sent from my Nexus 4 makes me really really jealous :P. Thanks for the clarification.

I personally think that if it's a matter of time then it's not as bad as people blow it up to be. But on the other hand, if it's not happening i'd be mad too :eek:
[Nexus 4 General] Willz:
As far as I can see, it's all just speculation at this point.

Considering I wasn't able to obtain a Nexus 4 at release, I think I'll give my F5 button a rest, and just wait to see how this all plays out.
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
I didn't realise there were so many amateur detectives on XDA. To clear up any confusion, leg me reiterate the only FACTS about the nexus 4 and AOSP:

a) The nexus 4 device tree is not available in AOSP

b) There has been no conformation as to why it hasn't been added, or that whatever stopped it is being resolved

c) No one has ever said it will be added, or that it has to be added ever

It may be added, it may not. When Google say the phone is for developers, they mean app developers, not ROM hackers. In any case, the nexus line is now for the consumer, not for developers.

If it is life or death important to you that it has AOSP support, don't buy it until it is in AOSP.
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
since android is open source, wont it be added to AOSP? besides, why would they go down the route of apple in terms of software... even looking at past nexus devices, all of them had it in AOSP. google probably just needs to resolve something. thats just my viewpoint. at least theres root available
[Nexus 4 General] molesarecoming:
They released the source already, that's not the issue here. The device trees are missing. Rooting means placing a simple file somewhere, it's no achievement since nexus has an open bootloader.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Never had an AOSP supported device before, and it didn't bother me in the slightest. It's a high end device with great specs for dirt cheap. That's good enough for me.
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
argh, i guess my terms are screwed up lol. i meant to say device trees (well, now i know thats the word(s) i was looking for). but i still think it'll be added eventually. but for me, even if the device trees will never be there, root will be available. with the latest OTA updates and root, i'll be fine. i will be very saddened and angry if the device trees arent there, but thats how google wants to play it :(

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i should keep that mindset. its a good one. however, it will still bug me knowing custom ROMs will be tough to create and/or be stable :(
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Edit: guess I've got nothing to fear :D
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
That's my reasoning for buying it. Easy to root, top end specs, low as $%&! price and stock Android.

Kernel source has been out for a few weeks: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=33893627

If anyone is any further doubt about what AOSP is for, please read this page and then read this page. AOSP was about providing a platform so any device builder can put android on it. The fact that you can build for Nexus devices (up until the 7) is more of Google going "here is a good example" than anything else, and while I am sure they want to add it to AOSP, there is no guarantee that whatever is stopping them will change any time soon. If it is something like Qualcomm and their CPU/GPU drivers then it may never make it to AOSP, and as no one has promised it will, don't complain if it doesn't.
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
i thought the kernel source is available? in the android development section for this device, theres a guide on how to compile a kernel

i read somewhere that its required to release kernel source code, since it is linux based, and thats the rules of linux. i may be wrong, so dont take my word for it

edit: again, a user above me beat me to an answer! lol
[Nexus 4 General] benrees21:
Well I was expecting the usual Nexus fare but it seems something is holding them up from adding it to AOSP. Hope it gets sorted.
[Nexus 4 General] neotekz:
if not being in aosp means less/unstable roms and mods then I will definitely be reconsidering this phone. I don't think I can go back to stock even if its vanilla android after trying roms like paranoid and aokp. Here's hoping this is just some legal issue that can be resolved. Is the nexus 10 in aosp?
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Ah sweet! Guess that's what I get for not bothering to look :D
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
nexus 10 is in aosp, and deemed as the best device to ever be in the aosp device tree, according to JBQ
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
What choice do we have? No non Nexus device has ever been in AOSP

(the Xperia S has been for a short amount of time).
[Nexus 4 General] neotekz:
Let's hope this isn't a new trend for the nexus brand and just a small delay until the nexus 4 is added to aosp. I think im going to keep my galaxy nexus and see how this plays out, maybe the supply shortage is a good thing...I can live with the nexus 4's other shortcomings but no aosp seems like a potential deal breaker for me if it means there's not going to be a large dev community supporting it. How essential is being in aosp to rom and mod development?
[Nexus 4 General] itchy67x:
It's not "that" important.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
LOL so why buying Nexus device if its not in AOSP ( so its same as any sammy - htc - lg devices )
[Nexus 4 General] DerKiLLa:
- Price?

- Hardware?

- Vanilla Android?

- Update-Support from Google?
[Nexus 4 General] Alex240188:
I think you all need to stop your crying.

IT WILL HAPPEN

My current phone is the HTC One X

the device tree wasnt released for that

it was down to developers to create a device tree using the blobs from HTC to make a working version

Now we have the likes of "mdeejay" who's device tree is the base for CM10

so no device tree from HTC however we still have the One X cabable of running AOSP built roms

and for those who want to but in about poor battery life on AOSP, blame HTC for that as they are turd at releasing kernel sources.

most problems were fixed in the newer kernels but HTC sources are still stuck at 1.29

that is not an issue for Nexus 4 as google have already released the kernel sources.

im sure someone will build a tree and pull the needed blobs from a working device and soon enough we will have AOSP roms.

sure its not the perfect solution but it will not stifle progress on the device at least until big G sort our the liscencing issues
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
This.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
At half the price...

EDIT: Ah whoops, echo much, my bad.
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
a) It's not the same as non-nexus devices, because it has stock Android and update support straight from Google.

b) My point is you can't complain about the "lack of a feature" when

it wasn't there when you bought it, and no one ever said it was going to be added

. If it's a deal breaker for you then don't buy it.
[Nexus 4 General] boldonc:
What a shame! :(
[Nexus 4 General] benrees21:
Not a deal breaker for me, just more of a concern. I'm sure we are over-reacting and it will get added. Google would not let a Nexus device not get added to AOSP.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
hmm price in here is same as GS3 or bit more ( and the device it self not even available )

hardware O_o : its working very bad on N4 if u compere it to any other device with snapdragon s4 pro

android vanilla without is AOSP support is useless

yeah it will have great and fast updates :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] DerKiLLa:
It's useless to talk with u ... If u have no reason to buy it - then dont buy it.

but there are people with other opinions ...

not everybody needs aosp

not everybody wants a s3 (which price is about ~25% higher)

not everybody uses customroms to get updates
[Nexus 4 General] blackhand1001:
I honestly hope a galaxy nexus 2 is also released with the omap 5. TI is so much more dev friendly.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Kawirider1228:
Pretty much what the title says. I like to send the same message to multiple people to get easy answers but when they respond, it goes into their separate threads. It just makes a cluttered mess. Am I missing an option within the TW messaging app?
[HD2 General] tze_vitamin:
I bought the phone a few days ago and I have a problem with a MARKETPLACE,I can not connect via wireless and also via GPRS data,shows me the problem:

THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM WITH THE MARKETPLACE SERVICE RIGHT NOW,CHECK YOUR INTERNET CONECTION AND TRY AGAIN LATER :/

I've tried every half hour to connect and shows me the same problem,if anyone knows how to solve this?

sorry for my bad english.. :/

and how can i update windows os over the air? what is the last version of sistem? what is the last update version? how can i update??
[HD2 General] Marek989:
The WM 6.5 marketplace isn't working, Microaoft turned it off. The latest official Windows for HD2 is 6.5, but you can unofficialy upgrade to WP7.8. Or even better, Android 4.1.2 :p
[Galaxy S III General] dilwaala:
Woohoo! Can't wait for cm10 team to start merging in the new 4.2 goodness!

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/13/android-4-2-headed-to-aosp-right-now/
[Galaxy S III General] speedyjay:
Woohoo....see what the devs come up with on this :)
[Galaxy S III General] incrjaysen:
thats just great! cant wait to get the n10 and flash it with a good & nice aosp rom
[Galaxy S III General] hoekzemaar:
Yep looking forward to this to. I have been running Siyah Kernel for a couple of weeks and it's great to be able to switch between the stable stock based rom and CM10
[Galaxy S III General] jonny68:
Yep same as on the Nexus 7 forums too, looking forward to having 4.2 AOSP on both my Galaxy S3 and Nexus 7:laugh:
[Galaxy S III General] TECH NIQUE:
Want omega's team to get cracking :D
[Galaxy S III General] marcellocord:
Won't take long to CM10-4.2 get released. I guess 4.2 uses the same base and stuff, so won't be a problem. Still, I may stick with Samsung. I love CM10 but not CM10 for i9300. Colors doesn't look good, laggy and a lot of random bugs.
[Galaxy S III General] dilwaala:
Looking forward to it. Unfortunately cm10 on i9300 is beyond the team's control . If Samsung took their thumbs outta their asses and start releasing the RIGHT source and docs for Xynos, we might actually get somewhere. Its a miracle we've come this far without it.
[Galaxy S III General] nnotis:
I see a lot of people comment that Touchwiz ROMs run more smoothly than CM based builds. This is exactly the opposite of my experience. I find the Cyanogen team's work to be second to none, which is remarkable considering they're volunteering their time.
[Galaxy S III General] dilwaala:
Definitely agree with you!
[Galaxy S III General] njcasillan:
More power to the CM Team! I loved the ROM ever since.
[Galaxy S III General] A2Eric:
It's freaking me out a bit that my Verizon Galaxy Nexus will get a 4.2 custom ROM before my Nexus 4. WTF?
[Galaxy S III General] tinpanalley:
With the CM vs TW ROM debate, is there one Vanilla ROM that you think proves that theory that they run smoother and faster because I'd love to test it if there is one. I've always also felt that TW runs smoother? Maybe I'm wrong. Is LiquidSmooth a good example?
[Galaxy S III General] Ausboy 2011:
foxhound tw Rom is ridiculously smooth ;)
[Galaxy S III General] RoadXY:
Let's not change this thread to a TW vs CM, shall we?
[Galaxy S III General] maxkushnir:
Wohoooo! cant wait to get this one on my phone!
[Galaxy S III General] Ausboy 2011:
why fight when siyah gives the best of both worlds :)
[Galaxy S III General] tinpanalley:
I think that comment probably did that more than anyone else's. I think it's a perfectly valid part of the discussion. I'm not suggesting we sit here and go back and forth on ROM names. But I'll ask my question in a different way. What is it about the AOSP release that's out there now that isn't working well that will be improved by this 4.2 release? Ultimately, this isn't about one ROM base vs another it's about whether AOSP can be made to work bug-free with the I9300 hardware, isn't it?
[Galaxy S III General] dilwaala:
I believe it's also to do with what new FEATURES have been added to the new AOSP release and less to do with how much stability it will add (since that is dependent more on Samsung releasing the source than what AOSP has to offer in terms of stability).

Some of us would like to make use of the new features of 4.2 and not have to wait for an official Samsung update.

Having said all this, at the end of the day, that's my point of view and I don't expect everyone to agree.
[Galaxy S III General] androidizen:
Woot, the race is on!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] itsneverlupus:
Hello, this is my first post here and I'm hoping I can get some help. I spent most of last night searching for an issue similar to my own but I was unsuccessful.

I rooted my G2 and have installed mimicry. However, I am having issues with CWM 5.0.2.7. Whenever I choose to reboot into recovery, the main CWM menu shows up fine. However, if I choose any of the options (e.g. install from SD/card), it takes me to a blank screen with the CWM logo on it and nothing else happens. The phone is stuck on that screen until I take the battery out and reboot. Any ideas on what could be wrong?

Thanks.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
are you selecting with power button or track ball?

also consider a touch recovery as you have a touch screen phone.

and more specifically my guess is you will be much happier with 4EXT RECOVERY