yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] faekplastik3s:
Yes, I actually did, since page 30 something at least. The fact that you switched opinion based on a single video, especially that video that showed a device that was already smooth to begin with is particularly baffling.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] herpez:
It should be two threads. One for users and one for devs.

In one single page we can find totally noob questions like "how to install" and by the other side we have people talking about entropy,kernel,etc.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] masondoctorjt:
The videos show opening and closing apps. That's not where the big difference is noticed by me, its in clinging through home screens, swiping the keyboard, and scrolling. Again that's my personal experience on two devices. A generic sky pad alpha 2 running ICS, and a moto defy running gingerbread. I didn't put it on my amaze or sensation, cause frankly, I never experience lag on those two devices. Not sure how anyone could think they would notice a n4 or note2 having less lag. How do you get less than zero lag?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ChronoReverse:
Because some people with the Nexus 4 are also reporting "less lag" (along with GS3 and Note2 users). Which is ridiculous since their phones are so incredibly smooth in the first place. First indication of placebo effect.

I tried it out on two different devices I had access to with difference OS versions but couldn't find anything. Second sign.

Then there's the videos (unscientifically showing little difference) and also the lack of videos for the opposite. People are not just claiming "less stutter" but "my device is like a new phone suddenly" and "things load instantly now!". This one in particular doesn't require fast cameras to demonstrate. Third sign.

We know that init.d method, which doesn't affect the I/O or processor, supposedly has the same effect. So people proposed the opposite version of this method to drain the entropy available instead. This should cause massive stutter. People tried it and no effect. Fourth indication.

That's a lot of signals pointing in one direction.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MrTomLegit:
I am using this one my One V a phone that has lag issues more than I would like. But using the seeder app I notice that I get less hangs mostly in typing. A lot of the time I will open an app and try to type but the keyboard would lag behind my thumbs. With this app I have not noticed this happening NEARLY as much and I'm typing just as fast as usual only now with no lag. Running PACman ROM BTW.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Fedec:
Just amazing on Samsung Galaxy Nexus GSM. Lag doesn't exist anymore, I've just bought the app on the Play Store! To support you.

Outstanding work, keep it up. :good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mikaole:
Big THX.

Just installed it on My TF300T (big THX to sbdags for creating the right patch) and its just incredible.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] sonnhy:
The author on the first post should write: "This is the istructions (blah blah blah) this are the FAQ fro ultra noobies (blah blah blah), and who ask question like "doesn't work" "how can i unistall" "how to install" should read the FAQ".. also he should write: "Comment like i love it so much, my phone is new are totally useless!"..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] fjdifede:
Phone idleling it is ridiculous :eek:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kwartey:
Where can i find the "how to install" page??
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jader13254:
Well, imho this all is placebo. ( I know you guys will say "no its noz bla bla I can feel a difference"...) I KNOW, but its me, and not you. So just let me tell you MY experience and MY feeling about this.

I did install the apk and init.d / rngd binary.

Did some Tests, scrolling trough homescreen, no difference, as smooth/laggy as before.

Than I opened the browser. This is one thing which annoys me the most on this phone. The keyboard input lag when starting the browser on single-core devices. Again, the same. Well, previously i thought it made if faster, exactly that IS the placebo, at least for me.

Tried some games, laggy as before.

Well, I think there IS some place for improvement, but for me, and I say for me, I'M NOT YOU, it doesn't improve anything. Filling Up with fake entropy doesn't seem like the right way for me ;)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] smelenchuk:
This must be succeeding.

After all, look at how much entropy is present in the thread...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] VileParty:
Download the seeder 1.1 apk, then find it with a file browser. It'll install when you tap it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vkmaxx:
I made a test video of Seeder 1.1 with my Milestone, same path of application in similar time.

Fresh boot before every run. More info i description of the movie:. Didn't notice any improvements.

http://vimeo.com/56829648

Full test in polish.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] adytum:
I can't believe nobody did this one earlier in the thread.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] FcoEnrique:
You can use the "Search on this thread" option and search whatever you want, stop asking things that are already answered on every page.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] zeppelinrox:
Haven't looked into that, really.

In case you missed it, I'll repost most recent findings...

Just run those final 2 sysctl commands near the bottom and see if you notice anything different lol

Ok so IF there is something to it (I'm staying on the fence, ok?), it may actually have to do with something that's actually related to it... so just bear with me...

http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_kernel_randomize_va_space.html

Further to that, there is also this from IBM http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21365583

A little further down there's a sample error...

Hmm... maybe sqlite databases are effected.

So... what if it all has to do with database access?

And a little further down...

Then there are tidbits like on this page http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/filebench/index.php?title=Filebench

Just google "slow randomize_va_space" :p

Oh... just found this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization

So there's the direct connection of how entropy effects ASLR in plain english.

Anyway, randomize_va_space is 2 by default on my device.

Maybe setting it to 0 will have a desirable effect.

So... I'm gonna test

busybox sysctl -w kernel.randomize_va_space=0

Along with...

busybox sysctl -e -w kernel.random.read_wakeup_threshold=1376

entropy_avail gets full with no overhead with the second command.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pastordl:
Testing the seeder.

Testing the seeder.

I have test the functionality of the seeder program in the best way I know how. Running programs and my nook and timing operational time with a stop watch. Then repeat the process several times, compile and run standard deviation formulas on the results. I have run the various programs in the same order both with and without the seeker app running. Each test was preceded with an app kill. This way each test started fron the same state.

Here are some of my results. Wos=without seeder, Ws=with seeder.

Boot up time from power off to filled in to fully populated home screen.

Wos - 130-140 sec. Ws - 115-125 sec.

Time to connect to wifi (wpa2). Wos - 11-12 sec. Ws - 9-10 sec.

start dolphin browser beta. Wos - 10-12 sec. Ws - 8-10 sec.

Exit dolphin to home screen. Wos - 1-3 sec. Ws - 0-1 sec.

Start Google play. Wos - 5-6 sec. Ws - 4-5 sec.

Start youtube. Wos - 4-5 sec. Ws - 3-4 sec.

Start netflix. Wos - 24-26 sec. Ws - 19-21 sec.

I don't pretend to understand what or why the app works but feel the data prove that with the seeder running my Nook Color CM10 runs faster. 25 - 30% faster. I also ran a Youtube Video with and without the seeder. Without the seeder it stopped every 30 - 40 secs while the little arrow went round and round for 10-15 sec. With the seeder on and running the same video it stopped at 2-3 minutes for 6-10 sec.

Not just a feeling that it's faster, it really is faster. I'll let the brains figure out the how and why. I'm just happy with faster.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] faekplastik3s:
I see no improvement. I can't understand your review, but I imagine you think the same?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kholantz:
same here :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jelle2503:
Feels smoother somehow. Like if i have live oc to 110%... But maybe its just me.

Verstuurd van mijn GT-I9000 met Tapatalk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] :
i see improvement on my gnote 2 everything feels just smoother with it enabled like the web browser, pinching to zoom in is just like the iphones now the page moves with my fingers theres no delay or laggyness
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] FcoEnrique:
That looks interesting, hope you tell us how it goes.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kholantz:
seen gsyerse

a video would be nice :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bedi.gursimran:
What is the preferred sheduler and governer. Right now I am using "Pegasusq" and "SIO". 1300-200 CPU. 200,330,330,400,440 GPU. ROM. SuperNexus 2 build 1(android 4.2.1). KERNEL Dorimanx 3.0.1. I dont really see a huge different so can any one tell me what I should do. AND I dont care about battery life so much and I dont want to overclock any further. :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] OmegaBlaze:
I'm sick of this thread. Make VIDEOS or stfu!

Epic 4G Touch.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kholantz:
make another video :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] finalhit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRB8Jor8tPs

swyped all these spelling errors from my galaxy note 2
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vkmaxx:
I was hoping for improvement but didn't see any. Anyway Milestone is very low on ram, so I will try to make a second video with my 512MB ZTE Blade.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kholantz:
clicked your link :mad:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] CBConsultation:
Funny but they already said no effect on new quad core phones yet you claim improvement. Placebo!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] gruntparty:
I'm no programmer but wouldn't you want randomize_va_space to be set to 1 to have a more secure system or does that not matter as much for our phones?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cocchiararo:
Ok, I took the time to quote all of you that see a benefit from this.

Please, do this test:

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] blade_:
lets try this on ZTE blade!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] nwg:
Due to roumours that the only what the Seeder does is uprising minimal processor frequency, I've done a simple test. The tool I selected might've not been the most appropriate one, but I had got no idea how to measure overall performace in any other way. The system "smoothness" is always a subjective term.

I assumed that, if the rndg activity doesn't really speed up the system, it shouldn't work if minimal CPU frequency is increased by itself. I've done AnTuTu test with various minimal frequencies set, with and without rndg. Here you are my results:

(Tested on Samsung I9001 with AOKP JB and Diablo Kernel 2.6.35 powersave)

Judging from what we see, rndg stops speeding up the system while its minimal CPS frequency is set to 768 MHz. Furthermore, it increased my battery consumption of 1% per hour.

EDIT: I haven't stopped using rndg. I believe in magic. ;)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] adytum:
If your note 2 is lagging while zooming a webpage, there's something wrong with it to begin with.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kholantz:
he is comparing it to an iPhone(5)? in terms of it's fluidity :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cocchiararo:
Ok, clearly someone (I will do it if no one does when I get back to a pc) needs to make step by step instructions (or a script) for the counter test...

Please, do this test:

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kholantz:
with Seeder

here's the video of my phone -- Karbonn A9+ / Cherry Mobile Flare / S100

http://youtu.be/mOgRfftMjA4

SnapDragon dual-core 1.1ghz

386mb RAM

i'll try to make a video WITHOUT the Seeder app.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ivcarlos:
Monitor

Hi for all,

I dnt install this tool, i create my own monitor to view activity in "/dev/random" and "/dev/urandom" and... surprise!

Only activity in "/dev/random" occurs when i enable wifi, no other. Majority of activity occurs in "/dev/urandom".

During 10 minutes i play with maps, gmail, games, wifi on/off, airplane mode and others.

Tested on my gnexus with 4.2.1 (stock). I will try in gnote 10.1 with stock 4.1.2 GER rom.

Partial log in attachment. If anyone wants to try, I have attached the monitor also.

No root needed.

I put this file on "/data/local/tmp", change permission to execute and run with:

adb shell /data/local/tmp/monRand -lstdout -s/data/local/tmp/shutdown

for usage:

monRand -l[output log filename or stdout to terminal] -s[file to close the program]

Ivan

(removed monRand due new version)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] wyvernwaddell:
This app didn't do a WHOLE lot on my sgs II, but it did help a bit. On my hp touchpad it performed miraculously. I may keep it now...no lag.

I don't know what you found, man, but I am most impressed :) Keep. up the good work!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] JeremyNT:
No discernible difference on my GSM Galaxy Nexus (CM10.1 nightly) nor my Nexus One (Evervolv JB nightly).

If it does something, it's not enough to be meaningful in normal use on my devices.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] :
It actually slowed down my Galaxy Nexus (Toroplus) a noticeable amount. That's probably just the placebo =P
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] FcoEnrique:
descension tsthhe

Why don't you tell us about results and stop giving you publicity for your app?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cocchiararo:
If had bothered to read, he already said that the result was no activity on /dev/random except when connecting to wifi, and activity on /dev/urandom

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] zeppelinrox:
Welcome to the internet!

You're doing it wrong.

You're supposed to say thanks - even when you're not spoon fed and gotta use the spoon yourself.

It's not that strong and it's actually very weak on ICS and pretty much non-existent on pre-ICS.

I haven't heard of any wide spread security issue on gingerbread or froyo so... risk is minimal for all intents and purposes.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] FcoEnrique:
Where's the explanation for how to do it?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] scramjones496:
Ever since I installed this seeder app on my galaxy nexus for Verizon I havent been able to get 4g data, it does decrease lag but I need my 4g back. I even tried shutting if off uninstalling it and I still only get 3g, please help.....
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] maurogg84:
In a blind test I tried it on my wife tweaked 3 droid charge, and she says the phone is way faster and responsiveness is incredible. Now my wife is not technological knowledgeable and been using the phone for almost two years, so there is no bias here. Now there are two kinds of measurements, qualitative and quantitative. A lot of people are asking for a quantitative test where it can measure probably in milliseconds how fast the system responsiveness improves as a result of the seeder.

Regular users are only reporting qualitative measurements by expressing how to the phone feels, it doesn't mean their experience is false or bias. If you look it up, qualitative properties from Wikipedia "Qualitative properties are properties that are observed and can generally not be measured with a numerical result. They are contrasted to quantitative properties which have numerical characteristics.

Some engineering and scientific properties are qualitative. A test method can result in qualitative data about something. This can be a pass/fail, conform/non-conform, or categorical result. It can sometimes be an engineering judgement."

As everyone have read, the seeder has worked on a lot of phones and others not, if you look at the play store there are way more positive reviews than negative. In conclusion, your judgement is what matters, if the seeder works use it, if it doesn't, don't. However, if developers come up with a way to test the responsiveness that seeder causes in FPS or milliseconds in different phones, it would be of great knowledge.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cocchiararo:
The guy that explained how forgot that most "testers" are not technical users :p

Tomorrow I will write a script for manual execution from terminal for doing this.

(not for use in init.d, if it really made the phone unusable, we would not want it to auto happen :p)

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---------- Post added at 10:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:54 PM ----------

But if seeder works by altering the cpu sleep/down scaling speed, and has CERO TO DO with entropy, which by now is almost certainly the case :p

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kholantz:
yep! i was merely trolling because i needed 10posts so that i can post a link on my posts.

"POSTCEPTION" :D
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] FcoEnrique:
I'll be waiting :good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ivcarlos:
so...

Well... by the way, my results... i already published, but... :confused:

"I dnt install this tool, i create my own monitor to view activity in "/dev/random" and "/dev/urandom" and... surprise!

Only activity in "/dev/random" occurs when i enable wifi, no other. Majority of activity occurs in "/dev/urandom".

During 10 minutes i play with maps, gmail, games, wifi on/off, airplane mode and others."

attachment has a log.

and, finally, and i only attach binary to others can test too (and dont say "its fake")

seeder only works by scalling up cpu speed. more speed, no lag at all! but battery drained like a boss! its a point.

Ivan
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Tesla:
Hahaha Good one m8 :good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ad44891:
Whasup peeps.. From my experience... This made my att NOTE 100 times better... Just thought I share... I'll holla.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Jiggity Janx:
Do you know how many devices ive gone through over the years and how much stuff ive installed from many highly regarded devs that absolutely did not work on my device(s) as other people claimed it did for theirs? I didnt whine and tell them to take it down cause it didnt work on mine. I uninstalled it and was happy it was working for others.

I guarantee you this bickering is only happening because the OP didnt have thousands of thanks (when this all started). None of these unknowns would be in here trying to make a name for themselves arguing for AND against if this was an established dev.

*I* notice a difference after installing on my vzw moto xyboard 8.2 dual core omap on stock ics. Am I going to uninstall it because someone with @google.com (or any other highly respected dev) comes back and says it absolutely should not work? F&$% no. Im going to rock it until *I* notice it not working. I recommend everyone else do the same.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] zeppelinrox:
/shakes angry fist

heh
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] debork:
To test this, first of course disable Seeder if you have it running.

You need Terminal Emulator

So to do the opposite way of the symlink 'fix', just switch the two paths.

Enter terminal emulator and type

su
mv /dev/urandom /dev/urandom_ori; ln -s /dev/random /dev/urandom

.

The other test was to open Terminal emulator and type

cat /dev/random

Some gibberish will appear, just leave the terminal window running and go to your home screen (you should still have a terminal emulator icon in your notification bar)

After doing either of those things, just use your phone and see how it responds. If the seeder app improves your phone's smoothness because it prevents blocking from a depleted entropy bucket, then this would make your phone lag like crazy.

If seeder improves your smoothness, and doing either of these tests does NOT lag you, then the improvement probably comes like I said in another post...just the very act of mixing entropy bits from either input/irqs/ or disk access makes android less smooth/micro-stutter. This makes a lot more sense in older/slower processors.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] trannygranny:
Is there really no way of properly benchmarking this other than judging it by how fast certain apps open?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] steveathome:
Have just downloaded from Play Store onto my Tab 2 10.1. P5100 running JB stock. Defiantly a difference. Am happy to sacrifice some battery for this result. Any improvement on this Tab is welcome.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] FcoEnrique:
northa plates

After that wit a reboot everything goes back to normal, if I'm not wrong.?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cocchiararo:
do what debork said, and if your phone gets down on its knees, good for you, you have proved that entropy was the issue

you saved me from doing it xD

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] godofgeeks:
Thanks for this wonderful app!!!

I have used it and felt the difference myself.

BTW I am in process of making a custom rom for micromax A110 so I wanted to know if you may allow me to include this app in system. You will definitely be have your name in credits for this amazing app.

I shall be obliged.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Jiggity Janx:
People like you are entirely missing the mark. No one has to *prove* anything to you or anyone one else. Quit looking for someone to come back with "(insert random naysayer name here) zomg you were so right! Thank you for making me take my time to prove you may be right!! I want to have your babies!!"

Most of you just cant be happy that someone else is content. Its not hurting you so why the f%$& do you care so much?!?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] FcoEnrique:
After the first code everything goes normal, or maybe better when locking/unlocking...

Now I'm gonna try both, something to add it's that seeder gave me smoothness at all, was the opposite, it gives me more lag.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jtheis23:
It worked for me on multiple devices thanks and everyone else get a life and quit crying
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cocchiararo:
Because it made no improvements on my Nexus 4, and it consumed more battery

Because I like the truth, and just that.

I WANT to know the truth, but posses no older devices to test :(

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] anonymous27:
this seems to work but the only problem with this is that it disables deep sleep ..now my battery doesn't last long
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] sheraro:
I would never had imagined being happy to have an old device :cowboy:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cocchiararo:
My little brother has an unrooted defy+

I don't live with my parents and he went on a trip, but if no one tests the counter mod, I will eventually use his phone

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