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[About XDA developers] Deadly:
It was before mike channon's post saying there is already a similar thread...

Which is still in ot.. and he posted link of thread and his own post in that thread of his experience on xda.. which got deleted... so he is asking.. he posted again in that thread after the post got deleted..

@mods.. May be the 2 threads can be merged with a note about merge?

Old one in OT section

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1958305

New one in about-xda section

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2132968

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
It is still being developed, that's all I can say for now
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Tbh, I do not know why your post was deleted, I am looking now. But mods shouldn't ignore users and shouldn't delete posts without reason. If you feel your post was deleted in error, then PM a mod etc. However, this is not the right place to post about it.

I will look to see why your post was deleted and PM you if I find an answer. I am now going to delete your posts (and others who replied) about this from this thread

EDIT - Sent you a PM
[About XDA developers] _Variable:
Is search down again?

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[About XDA developers] Zephyr!:
Yes bro

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[About XDA developers] t-pip:
Joker, great post, good point well made but I know exactly where you are coming from with this as (quite literally as we both frequent the forum that started this idea) and to be perfectly honest I think that the following changes should be made to your idea:

1 - Allow the OP unlimited control of their thread.

2 - Allow the OP to allocate the number of 'Police' for their thread themselves as opposed to just having 3.

3 - Allow the 'Police' a higher number of removals per day than 3 (In the thread that we are talking about there have already been 2 and a half pages removed in the last 24 hours.

I'd imagine that this isn't possible as I'd guess you can only be made an Admin or 'Police' level user at Device level not Thread, but if it is then this is definitely a great way forward.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
While time has evidently gone into this, BOTH of these have been discussed to death, with plenty of explanation given as to why we won't do them.

1) We have enough people who are NOT noobs who are REAL devs, and we must balance 10 posts vs the annoyance caused to them

2) We have discussed this in the past, and as you said, "power corrupts". XDA is unique in that we have moderators to moderate, and developers to develop. If you give developers the ability to start moderating their own threads, that is destined for massive failure. Negative feedback or criticism removed etc, without due reason. We don't intend to do it.
[About XDA developers] JokerAce:
May I know how does one distinguish noobs and REAL devs? If someone is a REAL dev, then I would suggest that he/she shows proves (e.g. App in development (Github), app in Google Play, or any forms of justifications) to the Mod/Admin, and they will be granted access to post immediately at the Development Area. As for those who don't, they are obviously not REAL dev.. and should be ignored. Learn to post intelligently at the proper place, at the same time, accumulating their post count.

The main point here is so that they will go to the right channel i.e. at the Non-Dev Thread created for them for their purpose.

As for the absolute corrupts.. That's why I suggested an arbitrary numeral limitation on their ability to remove post.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
It's not practical on a site this large to have people manually requesting their post access. OK we get occasional ones and we can sort them, but if we increase this, it's not workable. You've not seen the amount of user-originating contact you receive on a site this size.

Well... You suggest some limit on the number of posts they can remove - that means we have to go and implement some new feature, which only works for 3 posts... Why not allow the mods to remove these posts in unlimited numbers, being as there will be more than just 3. And that ensures no issue of "power corrupting" whatsoever.

This has all been discussed at GREAT LENGTH in a few threads in About XDA, with input from plenty of people who had the same idea as you, then realised that it is for the best...

Imagine a ROM that seems to be bricking devices. Conceivably, a semi malicious (or just plain stupid) OP could remove these posts as "flaming". We don't allow devs to remove posts, as this removes the transparency of knowing that you see accurate feedback. User trust is what this amounts to, and we will NOT compromise on user trust in this respect.
[About XDA developers] JokerAce:
Thank you for taking time and effort to respond, pulser_g2

I never checked other mobile sections, but for S2 and Nexus S, both which I frequent, there are 7 Mods. The ratio of Devs to Users is completely drastic in difference. And since thread is opened by a Single person, a team of Devs just needs one representative to approach the Mod and gain access without 30 post counts. Apologetically, I do not have statistics to show as I do not have access, but imo, the request can't be that high for 7 Mods to handle. And imo, I don't see new Devs springing out like spores so far.

I still think the 30 min post would greatly push newbies to the section where they can post, like the non-dev threads.

On the post removing rights, I am unable to provide a logical and sound solution to that, and it is very true that people with malicious intent can work together to remove post.. So it is not feasible thus far..
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Have a look at the XDA change log. We have less than a hundred mods and between 1500-2000 new registrations per day, the workload on our moderators is already sufficient without adding something like this. The issue is that every Tom, **** and Harry out there is going to make the request, not just devs.

To preempt your next post, no, more moderators are not the answer.
[About XDA developers] electricsheepdreamer:
First of all, respect for good intentions but allow me my point of view...

May I know how does one distinguish noobs and REAL devs?

By reading their posts without prejudice. But why noobs-REAL devs distinction? We could make REAL noobs-devs one, too and it would still lead us nowhere useful.

If someone is a REAL dev, then I would suggest that he/she shows proves (e.g. App in development (Github), app in Google Play, or any forms of justifications) to the Mod/Admin, and they will be granted access to post immediately at the Development Area.

This reminds me of the job application.

As for those who don't, they are obviously not REAL dev.. and should be ignored. Learn to post intelligently at the proper place, at the same time, accumulating their post count.

I noticed that people around here like good quotations. Once the man said that it's hard to drive and learn how to drive at the same time. And on the another occasion he said that they always say that times changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself.

The main point here is so that they will go to the right channel i.e. at the Non-Dev Thread created for them for their purpose.

If I understood correctly, the main point should be to lead members to behave fairly and politely. But what tools do we need and which ones we already have to achieve this goal?

As for the absolute corrupts.. That's why I suggested an arbitrary numeral limitation on their ability to remove post.

Relative corrupts and spoils too, given to the wrong person, or to the right person at the wrong time. Not to mention Murphy's laws.

Regards.
[About XDA developers] JokerAce:
Alright thanks for the clarifications. :)

Lot's of comments, and I don't understand all fully. But I get the point. :o
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Which has been my point recently. Increase number of moderators.

Here's a simple analogy.(since someone will surely bring "we don't want to be police" argument)

20 years ago. There were policemen on the beat, walking around neighbourhood, knew a lot of people by the name, said hi, gave directions. Police was considered helpful (in general).

Nowadays. They work mainly "behind the scenes", mainly only coming out for a reported crime/whatever. Everybody thinks police is useless and dislike them (in general).

Anyway, doesn't really matter. It's not going to change. And then moderators wonder why they are being called names in pm. The only time users see mods is when they give infractions, warnings and bans. Mods do not set an example on how to do things. They are too busy doing things "behind the scene".

Not trying to offend anyone, just giving some feedback. I know what you have to deal with and I know how much work you have to do, but a lot of users don't.
[About XDA developers] orangekid:
Take a look at the post history of mods and admin and you'll see they post mostly development related stuff. The only reason it seems that way is you don't frequent their forums.

The galaxy nexus toolkit, Note 2 development and others have plenty of staff doing development and not policing "behind the scenes"
[About XDA developers] Hobadee:
I actually see where you are coming from here... The moderator on the SGS3 forums has a signature line which says " your friendly neighborhood moderator", which is nice because it unobtrusively reminds everyone he is the moderator. (What undercover was saying about police walking the beat and meeting people.) It might not be a bad idea to encourage moderators to add a line like that to their sigs.... just increase their presence some... Not that they aren't participating, we just don't always realize they are mods.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
#justsaying, but many users miss a lot of things because they are using the XDA app, or Tapatalk...

These ain't meant to replace the site, rather simply supplement it. Though often it seems people don't bother to check who users are, and thus don't realise they might be having a discussion with a mod etc... And regular signatures don't show in your Tapatalk posts either...
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Don't the colors show up like they do online? iirc they do. But I still get it, most don't notice or even know what the colors mean.
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
Nah it just looks the same... Can't see the join date either without looking at the profile... That's also something I look at when I decide if I want to tackle a question or not... Sad of me I know...
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
I'd like the ability to mark a thread solved open old etc... I had an old thread mixed up with a newer thread for the same thing... I changed the thread title to outdated... Plus reading q/a would be easier if the op could mark it solved or open...
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
As you did with the thread titles for the outdated thread, if you're the OP you can change the thread titles for when queries or projects have been solved, for example:

[Q]How to I fix ........?

[SOLVED]How do I fix....?

[PROJECT]To root the HTC .........

[SOLVED]How to root the HTC .......
[About XDA developers] rirozizo:
anyway to put a "mark all as read" button in the control panel? i have alot of updated subscribed threads and i can't open up all of them...

and NO! i am not unsubscribing any of them
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
Click on Forums, and Click all, its at the very bottom... and in Tapatalk, have the forum list up, hit Menu and the option is there...
[About XDA developers] boborone:
It's also at the bottom of the subscribed tab. Less scrolling and loading for those of us without a gigabit internet connection and enough ram to power big blue.
[About XDA developers] Ganesh A:
How about XDA Developers Desktop Site with HTML5??!
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
That would fall on the developers of whatever forum system is being used most likely...
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
XDA doesn't write the forum system, they only have as much control as the system they are using allows... These people...

http://www.axivo.com/searchlight/
[About XDA developers] boborone:
http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?do=markread&markreadhash=1360765145-d4549f748c23a662f30d9c3579c8c888740e17ea

That should clear it for you. If you can't find it, just bookmark I guess.

Maybe you are on an old theme.
[About XDA developers] Jonny:
Searchlight is an addition to the actual forum software, not the forum system. The forum system is vBulliten.
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
My suggestion to you would be to atleast read the other stickies (first post, minimum) present in this section.
[About XDA developers] Red Devil:
I would recommend the rethink of the designation of the post of senior member.. I feel senior member should be someone who has actually contributed something or can prove that he has helped fellow members.. through friendly and thoughtful replies.

If this is implemented .. they can also think about implementing a limit for posting a certain number of posts say 10 for normal members and 30 or 40 for senior members and rc rt and rds a greater number say 100...

However that would mean mods will have to handle senior member requests too which I think isn't feasible.. that's the only stain on the shirt . Just putting a rough Idea across
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Funny you mention this, we our considering/looking at changing the goal posts for when users become Senior Members. I also think it's too easy to become a Senior Member and maybe raising the required post count to 500 or 1000 would be more suited along with a certain number of thanks
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
Having a certain required thanks number will again bring up all those huge banners and sigs saying Thank me, HIT THANKS NAO, and stuff. And its already bad enough without requiring a certain number of thanks. The worst i've seen is a RT i won't name here, If any one visits the SGY forums, i think you know.

In short, every new member will become a Thanks Wh*re.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Personally, I'd ban all "thanks" banners requests. Make it against the rules to request thanks from users, but hey, that's just me

So what would your alternative be?
[About XDA developers] Deadly:
he is an ex(RT) now.. anyway.. the idea of adding post count to reach senior members is good to the current 100 count..

But instead of adding "thanks" to this post count..

How about making a restriction based on account joining date.. I mean like.. minimum 3 months or 6 months to become senior members... along with a certain post count...

Because if its only post count it would result in a spamming.. I mean they won't spam to get 500/1000.. but atleast some posts in it will be spam..

So if we had minimum months to be spent after making an account and post count of may be "500".. this would help I think..

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[About XDA developers] boborone:
This

And why is senior member something to attain? It's never meant something before, why give it a meaning now?

Sent from my Galaxy SII

---------- Post added at 03:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:23 AM ----------

If it does get implemented, then can that rule come in also? And think of this. When a thank me thread pops up, a mod will close it. Thanks are still there. Even if the thread is deleted, thanks count is still bumped. An admin would have to take them away if it "needs" to happen.

And why can't thanks banners be taken away anyways?

Sent from my Galaxy SII
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
What post? :p

Also, see my edit in OP

@everyone, can we please stop discussing/complaining about the 10 post rule here, if you want to discuss it, go here
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
This.

IMO, instead of a thanks requirement, why not have a minimum post count+time on xda requirement?

---------- Post added at 03:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:35 PM ----------

Add words and phrases like "Thank me" and "Hit thanks button" to the filter so that it gets starred out too :eek:
[About XDA developers] NiTsEm:
Very nice

I've been regularly visiting this site from last six month however I have registed here just an hour ago.

XDA help me to keep updated with latest technology and make me much closer to Gadgets.
[About XDA developers] necksis:
I had posted this over in a Franco Kernel thread, and some users seemed to think it was a good idea. So I thought I'd share it here as well:
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
Is there any need for this really?

Correct me if I'm wrong but nothing happens when someone becomes a Senior Member does it?

If reaching Senior Member was needed to have a certain limitation lifted, e.g. the time limit between posts, then I could understand it being reached. Other than that though, I honestly don't see a reason for it :confused:
[About XDA developers] Stryke_the_Orc:
I think the reason for this is a lot of newer members see "senior member" and take what they say as gold, when in fact I've seen people in my forums become senior members in a week by posting meaningless replies. A few "+1" and "hey that wallpapers awesome" and they've achieved it.

I wouldn't necessarily say that senior member needs to mean something, but I think a senior member should at least know something about the topics at hand.

JMO;)
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
I've love to see all explicit requests for "thanks" and "donations" to be against the rules - not only in banners/sigs, but in any posts whatsoever:

Thanks: The problem here is that I see some users actually suggesting using the 'thanks' button for a good reason - to prevent spam. For example, the OP in a firmware thread might ask users to NOT reply to the thread just to say 'thanks', but to instead use the "thanks" button. Some might even put that same information in their banner/sig. That's very nearly the same as someone having a sig with "If this helped you, please hit 'thanks'." Now we're back to what we have today. So, perhaps the thread view on the the forum should always show some canned "if this is helpful and you want to thank the poster, use the 'thanks' button" message (without the poster having to type that) and then any additional request for thanks would be against the rules (on penalty of having a "thanks" meter reset to 0.)

Donations: This, IMO, is a worse problem. The FACT is that some people look at XDA as a profit center and that really irritates me. I'd _LOVE_ to see XDA ban all requests for donations in banners/sigs AND in message texts. Leave the "donation" button intact and a new user help page could explain the purpose of it. How strongly do I feel about this? Look at my own sig or try to click my own "donation" link. There have been people who I've considered donating to - until I saw a request for a donation in their posts. As soon as I see that, I won't do it. XDA should be about SHARING freely - not about begging for donations.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
I thanked your post, please consider thanking mine or donating to help me to continue thanking posts.

I suggest this. Forget post count. Use thanks instead. Leave 10 post rule for newbies, all successive titles should go by the thanks count. Senior member from say 250 thanks. Yes, it's not a very good indication, but by far better than post count since the former cannot be amassed in OT anymore. Also, i'd assign Senior Members with a colour. This way to get the colour and to differentiate from masses one would have to be useful, ie get thanks. A little bit of motivation here and there doesn't do any harm.
[About XDA developers] jugg1es:
There is a slight flaw to this argument, there is still some ot threads in device forums where the thanks button is still overused, also a few wallpaper threads where some users thanks seems to be gained by purely posting wallpapers and very little else. The general idea does seem sound on paper but I'm sure that aside from the two mentioned there are plenty of threads where thanks can be gained by having very little knowledge.

"All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called a philosopher."

- Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
[About XDA developers] It_ler:
A counter question:

What is better ... to differentiate user states based on post count or thanks count?

Is the number of posts a better indicator of a user's experience/knowledge/helpfulness/etc. than the number of thanks he/she got from others?

Yes, there are some user's thanking each other very often. But there are also some users posting like spammers.

IMO it's easier to "cheat" which the post count than with the thanks count.

I personally like undercover's suggestion :good:
[About XDA developers] orangekid:
Why differentiate user states at all?

Just to be called "senior member" or something? What is actually being discussed regarding actually accomplishing with any new user groups? what is broken that we are trying to fix here?

Seems like this has just turned into a discussion of whether thanks count or post count have any merit or prestige, but to what end are we trying to answer these questions other than philosophically?
[About XDA developers] undercover:
This is exactly what I had in mind.
[About XDA developers] jugg1es:
I did only say it was a slight flaw, but just as an example there's a thread on the evo 3g forum where every pic posted can gain easily 3 thanks as a minimum, now i know for a fact most people here are aware of the thread. I'm just saying that at that rate 250 thanks wouldn't be that difficult to gain and you wouldn't have to have an understanding of anything, i did say that the argument looks good on paper but things would have to be put in place to avoid gaining the thanks in this way.

"All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called a philosopher."

- Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
[About XDA developers] boborone:
I know man. It's been a while since I made a meaningful thread in a while. Made one the other day. Put this in it.

And you know, I didn't even think of it being a thank me post. I was just really not wanting to have to report posts for deletion just cause some kids were posting thanks.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
What's happening? Well, it was mentioned that it IS being looked into, so people have thrown in suggestions. What's wrong with that?

So I guess this is your suggestion to Fallen Spartan?
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Just some feedback for the admins and others like bitpusher and pulser_G2.

Thanks guys. Not going to say what I've seen. Filters don't need to be made public. But over the last couple of weeks, I've seen some examples of spam and noob filters that weren't there before. Good job guys. Keep it up.
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Well since 'thanks' is being discussed, i'd like the thanks meter to be banished from xda and be replaced with something else if needed.
[About XDA developers] rirozizo:
I just want some info, i'm not complaining or anything:

i applied for an RC, almost a year ago, the reply was a denial because of an infraction that was going... i understand that.

my infraction ended on 13 (maybe 12) February, this year... so i reapplied, and the mod regected me saying that my infraction expires on march, and i can reapply 3 months after that...

why that rule? the infraction was a simple misunderstanding, and it expired 3-4 days ago, so why do i have to wait those 3 months now?

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