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[About XDA developers] osm0sis:
Hi guys, I've got a couple site forum feedback / bug reports:

1) Edit + Save post has been hanging indefinitely for me the last week or so, both in Stock Browser on my GN (Wifi and mobile data), and on IE11 on my PC. If I want to edit a post without it timing out I have to hit Go Advanced and then Save Changes, which works with no issue. I had a message into [MENTION=5136613]rwestergren[/MENTION] since it seemed to coincide with his fixing the Mention system, but I still haven't received a response back.

2) The doc-type issue I also reported here.

I got a reply from Ad Muncher maintainer:

So to reiterate, please update your doc-type format method and change the mode to at least IE9 or at best "edge". Thanks!

[MENTION=450224]bitpushr[/MENTION] [MENTION=2235607]svetius[/MENTION]
[About XDA developers] xsenman:
Thanks for bringing this up, have been wanting to post this problem much earlier but with so many problems XDA site seems to having lately it seemed trivial. . what happens is the post get saved only the browser does not reload the saved post, so every-time I forget to use advanced, I just load the post again in another browser tab and it shows it had been saved . so its more a reloading problem that need to be addressed.

Check this out! You , YES! you are an " Android ". Not your phone but U.​
[About XDA developers] CharliesTheMan:
You actually don't have to ask any guestions. Since you're a guru or techy just answer some questions from other users. In my sections we always recommend that because even if a user doesn't know the answer, they can search for it, find it and answer the post, and get better at research, kills two birds with one stone.
[About XDA developers] NotATreoFan:
We are having an issue with the eternal spinning circle, but the quick edit does actually work. You can F5 the page after clicking save and the changes will be there.
[About XDA developers] 394870:
just because of xda i am still using my old x-ray.....thanks to that...:P
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Is the "threads started by" search working others? It's not for me. I can view posts and other searches, but the threads search returns 0, no matches, when I try that.
[About XDA developers] xsenman:
yup, happening from yesterday after it was fixed last week:(

Check this out! You , YES! you are an " Android ". Not your phone but U.​
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Cool, thanks man.
[About XDA developers] nikufellow:
When new boards are created for recently announced devices, people-most of them who don't own or even plan to own the device would start creating PLACE HOLDER threads like - 'Official off topic of XYZ' or 'Post your XYZ Homescreen shots here ' - just take a look at this issue .

Also i think moderator of a particular device board must be vested with the power of creating so called 'official off topic 'threads - all others should discontinued/deleted . If a mod feels that a particular device board requires an off topic due to constant trolling/de railing of other threads then so be it ;)

i don't answer tech support questions via pm for am a noob .
[About XDA developers] Eldred2:
What counts as a "new" user

I have a small suggestion regarding the developer forum posting rules. Imho, the "must have 10 posts" rule just encourages spam. I, for one, try not to post at all, unless I have something to add to the discussion. As a result, I've been a member over 8 months, but have yet to get to 10 posts. Today, I have a response to a post to a thread that would be on topic and of use to other readers of the thread. However, since the thread is in a "developer-related" forum, and I have only posted judiciously, I am blocked from posting.

I realize that I could just go off and create 10 useless posts in non-developer threads, but that just seems like the wrong thing to do. I would submit that only posting very sparingly for a long period of time is a much better measure of whether a user will post appropriately, than a simple count of posts.

Edit: I suppose this post counts at 1.
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
This v

---------- Post added at 12:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:37 AM ----------

Also, a suggestion...

It would be a nice touch to have a "previously owned/current device section" in user profiles...

A lot of people force others to see their device history through rather large and unorganized sigs/pics, but if we have a dedicated space for it, such pics wouldn't be as necessary...

This way, if I want to inform others about my "collection", they simply need to have a look at my profile...

Current device/s could be shown somewhere under the avatar, and maybe limit the current devices entry to 3...
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Only 3? What will happen to Chainfire then? :D
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
If we have more, people will start using them for smart ass stuff...

Like how the location is now being used...
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
U must be talking about Pulsar and FS :D
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
No, not the likes and dislikes ones...

More like "You don't wanna know"...

[ - "No kidding, right!"]
[About XDA developers] MoonWillow:
A great big thanks !

thank you for your hard work and development. Fresh noob and my gs3 is rooted, unlocked and flashed witht the 12/6 update of jellybean, no problems ! Didn't know where else i could put this , yet... So just wanted to say thank you thank you to the open your eyes man from new york city.
[About XDA developers] SXUsr:
That's what a few have done already in the Arc section, but they tend to get lost as the board cycles, and of course wouldn't want them stickied as that could take up the first few pages of Q&A or General.

It could be left as it is, but there could an option for the Dev to open a support/Q&A thread, which would be hidden so to speak from the main forums but linked to through the ROM thread.
[About XDA developers] adbanginwar:
Extremly helpfull community and really have very detailed procedure for almost everything. Updates to broken scripts is almost fast.

I'm a noob and really liking to be in this community
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
On a slight tangent from your post Gary, what guides/how-to's/index threads etc. do you think should be allowed in original/android development, if any?

I'll use my device forum, Samsung Galaxy S2 i9100, to pull examples from.

Also, let's say, for arguments sake, that all the ROMs and kernels that can be found in original/android development ARE development and definitely belong there.

What else belongs in the development forums?

An index thread of ROMs, kernels, guides, etc.? I think yes because if it's quite a big device forum, like the S2 forum is, then there's going to be way too many ROMs etc for the average person to filter through. An index of that sub-section then becomes ideal. (There's also a case to be made about having an index thread in the General forum, but that's a different topic really.)

How-to's/guides? I guess this truly depends on what the thread is teaching the user to do. For the most part, they won't be threads teaching you any development. Instead, they'll simply be telling the user to follow predefined steps to have a certain mod on their device.

A prime example of the above paragraph is here - [HOW-TO][4.1.2][LSJ] Multiwindow.

That's not development in the slightest, yet that is in Android development.

There's a load of other threads in the same forum along the same lines aswell.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Gary, makes perfect sense but every previous request for subsections was answered with : "we are not having more subsections than absolutely necessary".

I'd, for example, love to see kernel, rom and other subsections in development section. As it is info is just piled in and anyone, let alone a noob, has hard time looking through it.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
The reason for this is frankly that making changes here is a lot of work, and it's hard to undo if we later have a better idea.

The logic behind the current system is that if you actually properly understand what you're doing, and did it yourself, and it's not just the same old thing again and again, it belongs in original, since this is where other developers can see and improve upon your work.

It also aids original source built distributions in making others aware of their working device and vendor trees that could be of interest to other users.

This is the justification for the present situation, I'm not trying to say this is how it is.

The original reason for this change was the sheer number of people making a "me too" ROM which simply consisted of some placebo and a crap theme. This is not what XDA is about, and it reached the stage where this was what most of the users were posting.

I do recall one incident where I had to "out" some idiot for claiming his Rom scored higher in some meaningless benchmark than mine... Yet he'd had to cheat it by mounting its test filesystem into a ramdisk... :p

Long story short, his attempt at a Rom was frankly amusing... he was a perfect example of what was wrong with the old system, and the introduction of the two tiered development areas helps to separate out the kangers from the experts...

When the biggest claim or feature of a ROM is a theme, that just makes my eyes bleed... these people evidently have never heard of theme packages that work on any ROM... In fact, I actually made a system allowing generic theme zips to be made, simply to remove any excuses for making a themed ROM.

Besides, with the xposed framework, the need for basic changes in custom software is vastly reduced, by making tweaks much more generic :)
[About XDA developers] It_ler:
I agree that the idea of separating out "the kangers from the experts" is good.

On the other hand it's sometimes confusing when having to search a kernel/ROM/etc. in two different sections (Original Android Dev. and Android Dev.) IMO.

From the "users" (no only for noobs or non-develeopers, but also for devs themselves) point of view, it would be easier to find all device specific development in one section.

To keep the separation between original and kanged development, I see two possibilities:

1. Keep the two different sections and the user has to search in both sections or the whole device forum (in advanced search).

2. Melt both dev sections into one big development section, but introduce a kind of "classification" tag, which is visible at beginning of the thread title (e.g. "[ORIGINAL]" or "[KANG]", etc.). These "classification" tags can only be set and changed by the FSMs ... or in cooperation with the devs committee.

I personally like the idea of having only one development section in each device specific forum and the introduction of thread tags that can not be added/edited by the OP herself/himself (like the "own" tags in the thread title).

Oh ... this will need some effort for implementation and maintenance ... I know.

But these thread tags could then be used for other classifications and purposes too.

And pre-defined thread tags might lead to a better/more systematical use of tags in (advanced) search.

Maybe this idea is not new ... but worth to think about ?!
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
What do *I* think personally, or what do I see as the way things are?

Howto's often times are actually more "development" in my eyes than advertisements for pre-built firmware/kernels. They at least describe the process, instead of just posting the result of the process. However, with extremely rare exception, very little of it is "original." To me, it's simple:

dictionary.com defines "development" as "The process of developing or being developed." The keyword there is "process." The RESULT of development is not development unless it's part of a further process.

Example 1: apktool is a development tool and part of development. It's existence promotes development and is a part of the development workflow/process. This is a topic for a "development" section.

Example 2: MyKernel is a product. Yes, a developer created it (or at least compiled it), but it's posted as a ready-made product, not as a development tool. Nothing about "MyKernel" is used for development purposes (and a large majority of the posted kernels here actually disable kernel logging which makes them worthless to even have on a device when doing other development.) Not Development.

Example 3: MyROM is a product. Regardless of the level of effort by the person creating it (which might be trivial or significant), the reasons for it not being development are the same as example 2. Not Development.

Example 4: "HOWTO Enable 1% battery." This is a fun one. If the HOWTO describes downloading and installing something, it's NOT development. However, If the HOWTO describes the process of pulling an apk or jar from your device, decompiling it, editing the xml/smali, and recompiling; then it's actually describing the process and should be considered development. Even if it's a set of predefined steps, it's still development if it forces the reader to be part of the PROCESS. This is the difference between "give a man a fish and he eats for a day" vs "teach a man to fish and he eats for life."

Example 5: Index's: In my opinion, this belong as a sticky in general. It should be easy to find and use, and if all the stickies are in the same place, it makes it easier.

This is where I disagree, however. In my opinion, they do NOT belong there. They are not development. They are products. Of course, if they aren't in there, those sections would be empty. That's why I'm suggesting we rename them to be what they REALLY are: "Get your firmware here" and "Get your kernels here" sections.

Why would you say that "follow predefined steps in the development process to have a mod" is NOT development, but "download this pre-made package to have a mod" (which is exactly what 99% of the firmware/kernel posts are) is development?

(oh, and thank you for giving me the chance to detail some of this. :))

Take care

Gary
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Ahem.. My opinion and my opinion only, but you guys are going a bit too deep and too serious here. It's a public forum, not a closed development section. It can never be that serious. Although, better subforum system/naming is needed I think.
[About XDA developers] efrant:
I'd like to say thank you to garyd9, as I share most of his opinions and his train of thought.

Take a look at this thread for example. (I'm only pointing out this particular thread because I am familiar with it, but I am sure there are countless others like it that are buried deep.) It started off as an observation of a certain function of the device, and lead to the development of a useful app. (A lot of us posting that thread are not developers but, in myopinion, there was more development in that thread than in many of the threads in the development sections.) This is the kind of stuff that I think is what brought a lot of us here in the first place. I bunch of guys who want to figure out how to improve our devices, and in collaboration (because we know that many minds are better than one). We rarely see this anymore, with most of the development being done off-site (via IRC or something similar), or done just by an individual. Now we see a lot of idle chatter threads about devices being shipped, backorder threads, which-is-the-best-accessory thread, and many end-product ROM/kernel threads, etc.
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
To me, it is serious. I spent a few months away from XDA because I was extremely irritated and came back with a purpose of trying to help fix things.

I KNOW that the XDA admin's are reading this thread and are at least considering the suggestions. At least one is already being tested.

The challenge for me is to recognize that XDA isn't (and won't ever again be) what it was 6 years ago. Today, it must cater to the non-dev crowd. So, I'm trying to find and suggest solutions that are feasible, make sense, are non-dev user friendly, but also promote development. Part of that is to call a rose a rose and when you see a steaming pile of manure, to call it a steaming pile of manure.

Only VERY recently did it finally "click" in my head that the term "development" was being misapplied. I got into some interesting arguments with mods here on what does and what doesn't belong in some of the development subforums based on "process" vs "product." The problem was bad communication and different definitions of what is called "development."

XDA is important to me again. That means that it's serious. There is no grey. (If you look closely, grey is really just a bunch of tiny white and black dots.)
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
What you think personally is what I meant, but that's been pretty much covered throughout the rest of your post.

Regardless of what thoughts any of us have on what belongs in the development sections, ROMs and kernels are classed as development. If they were once classed as development, then they still are because "development" still continues. It's more the case with ROMs though because, for the most part, updates continue to be rolled out. That's not the case as much with kernels because they're updated less often.

I agree that if it simply explains how to download and install, then it's not development.

Whether something is classed as development or not is the point where things aren't so clear cut.

The main difference is opinion and understanding. For example; I haven't got the slightest clue about developing anything and I haven't had any experience even around developing. Due to that, I think ROMs and kernels should be where they are because they've took something from stock and developed it further. Even if they've only done a few small tweaks and changed a few lines of code, it's still something I have no idea about. Therefore I view it differently.

Whereas with you being a developer, you've had the understanding and experience around developing so "development" which seems major to me, could be seen as something too easy and not worthy of being called development.

I wasn't implying whether they're development or not, I was simply using it as an example to focus in on guides/how-to's.

So, IF that's all development then where would the guides and such things belong.
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
You can do Advanced Search and search by username and change the dropdown to Find Threads Started By User.

It's not ideal but it's a workaround until the issue is sorted.
[About XDA developers] klyntone:
can't see pages when logged in...

<rant>

i was not logged in and was reading through a thread that had over 100 pages and came across a post on this page: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2507021&page=94 from xdarenzzio titled Objective Review, it was th first good post and thought it deserved a thank you.

once i had logged in th thread now only has 20 or so pages and when i tried to reply in th tab where page was still open was told:

"klyntone, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Please Read: New members (those with fewer than 10 posts) are not permitted to post to development-related forums. The developer forums are intended for experienced users and developers to discuss ways to improve technical aspects related to ROMs and Software. While you may be an expert, we ask ALL users to avoid posting questions about using or installing ROMs and software in the Development Forums. To encourage this new Users can read but not post in these forums.

To ask Questions about developing your device, installing ROMs, software and themes you must go to the Q&A or General Forum.

Remember, your question has very likely been asked already, so please search before posting.

Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?

If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation."

i pressed back and was in th same thread ({ROM} 4.4 MAKO-odexed.NEXUS 5 port) but it was only 20 pages long, so i can see more when i am not logged in wtf?

i'm usually not a very verbose person and have no trouble flashing roms and recoveries and rooting my droids, it just seems a bit strange to me that i have better access to th site when not logged in, as i may not have seen that post and had it confirmed that i am better off waiting for th actual update.

</rant>
[About XDA developers] oringal:
sorting threads doesnt work anymore.

Hello guys, an occasional lurker on these forums. But just recently i realised that the links to device forums have been changed. e.g. http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s2/accessories whereas it used to be http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1057 . now you cant sort threads by how many views and replies a thread has.
[About XDA developers] cortexA9:
XDA Teamspeak Server

Hello,

Is it possible to open a Teamspeak server for XDA ?

What do you think ?
[About XDA developers] osm0sis:
Bump. Since basic website/forum issues should be important to a developers website, you'd think..
[About XDA developers] eagleeyetom:
I don't know what svetius and other admins think, but in my opinion it's a bad idea. If you want to speak with people in text form I recommend hangouts or IRC.
[About XDA developers] spanitzer:
Hello i am new.

I don't speak english.

Can make german XDA Forum?

Gesendet von meinem ME173X mit Tapatalk
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Editing and Quick Reply (refreshes the page though) works fine now, thanks!

--edit--

That Quick Reply bug happened again.
[About XDA developers] eagleeyetom:
At the moment we are not planning to add a country specific XDA forums. If you are not confident with your English, you can always use Google Translate, or any other web application that offers translations.
[About XDA developers] My1xT:
me2
[About XDA developers] SocietyKiller[GE]:
Do we need this piece of unnecessarily Secured behavior

I'm getting really upset..... I use this forum since .... a long, long time ago (Years, Ages) and now that I want to post some useful criticism and also had some question for the developers. I'll need to post 10 or more comments somewhere in threads that doesn't interest me. Okay but also I need to wait 5 min or longer to submit a comment and these annoying Captcha's every time I want to post something... Are these Security reason really necessary, These points make the forum incommodious. So to the admins do we really need this piece of...... I just want to communicate whit those people who are from the dark site of confined spaces. Its a waste of time writing down these 10 comments you need to think green all these comments coast energy. ;)
[About XDA developers] cajunflavoredbob:
If you can't even read the first post of this thread, why would we want you posting questions in the dev fora where they don't belong in the first place?
[About XDA developers] SocietyKiller[GE]:
Are you serious. It is a feedback from me. The point is the security behavior on xda and if they are really necessary for the forum. It has nothing to do whit 10 post rules or any other puzles. So please be polite and stop spam.
[About XDA developers] eagleeyetom:
The 10 post policy prevents XDA from being flooded by spambots. You don't even know how many spam posts is deleted daily and it's good, because you shouldn't know that.

Those security options are necessary and really it seems that only 0.01% of users is complaining that 10 post rule is implemented. If you want to provide feedback to other members, why don't you visit the Q&A section of your forum? I'm more than sure that many folks is desperately waiting to get an answer. You can save someoene's day instead of instruct other members here.

If you have ideas regarding 10 post rule, feel free to share them here. It will be more than appreciated.

Now let's back on topic please (

which is not a 10 post rule

)