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[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Lol.

Seriously though, let's wrap up this OT tea break and get back down to business before FS really does get mad (at me :rolleyes:).

Well, if my maths are correct (they won't be), then there's a new theme every two years or so. You'll get one, it just might not be anytime soon... :p

That said, I guess now that the new one is pretty much stable, aesthetic changes probably wouldn't be too much trouble for sombody who is adept at that kind of sorcery.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Ok, thread derailed lol........ Now back on topic please :).......... Or I may consider closing thread :rolleyes:

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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
You would, then make a new thread and this one will be archived as well right? RIGHT? :eek:

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1+1 = 2, your math is correct! :victory:

Yeah i know it won't be soon, but eventually would be nice to have..
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
If I saw merit in opening a similar thread, possibly. Otherwise, I'd just close tbis and be done with it

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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
Merit? Merit for a F/R thread to be opened? Dafuq? :eek: Unless obviously you make every user a moderator and we can then continue to post in the closed threads :rolleyes:
[About XDA developers] cwhitney24:
One good thing that has come of this thread. I've gotten to see some mods and some of xda's higher ups that I never knew existed. :thumbup::thumbup:

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[About XDA developers] K.A.:
Exactly what i was about to post :mad:

I've never been in a thread or talked in a thread with so many mods, and that too SMs and Committee members and with this thread along with the Requests to Mods and Admins thread, it's nice to know there is an open place to talk with the higher powers that be at XDA.. :D
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
You lot talk way too much, therefore it took me way too long to read through this thread :eek:

I know this topic has already passed, but I've only just got here so I'll say my bit anyway :)

Regarding the Help Threads, I definitely think they're a great idea. I've even created a couple myself because I seen how much they helped from seeing tinky's in the Sensation forum.

For the threads purpose (helping users find there answers without spoon-feeding them), these threads work brilliantly.

However, we can't kid ourselves into thinking that these threads stop a lot of repetitive questions being asked throughout the Q&A forum. That may very well be the case in some slightly lower activity forums, but in more active/popular device forums, it doesn't achieve that.

Yes, with those people who go directly to a help thread to ask their question it does stop them creating a new thread BUT, even if a help thread is stupidly active, the majority of users will skip straight past it and ask away in Q&A (afterall, that's what that sub-forum is for).

Due to the fact a load of questions are asked in Q&A, merging all Q&A threads into a help thread would be near impossible to find an answer or navigate (as mentioned by others).

*IDEA*

When a new device forum is added, could this help thread instead of Q&A forum idea be implemented?

Obviously the logistics of the idea would need to be perfected and finalised beforehand, but it would be much easier to start a device forum that way instead of using that idea on an already existing device forum.

As there would then be no Q&A sub forum, there's the argument that the General and Development sections would then be used instead.

The way around that could be the idea below from King Ace...

While there would be no guarantee that a user would select one of those options, there's no guarantee that a user will ask in the correct section now so we're not losing anything by adding that option.

Of course, I'm not aware of what it would take to implement such a feature so if it's not feasible, please forgive me.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
One thing is earlier we all agreed that Q&A forums *should* be made, because otherwise this one thread will end up so full that nobody can find anything.

I think pretty much everyone agrees that the Q&A forum is essential from the discussion earlier. Isn't it slightly more obvious to post in a forum called "Q&A" than to go hunting for this one thread? I think this would prove quite a damaging change...
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Does anyone know the numbers in the membership? Just a couple months ago it seems, there were 4 million registered members. Now it's over 4.8 million. Can anyone find out when we were at 4 million? I'm curious to know the rate of growth. Maybe over a timeline. It seems to be growing exponentially, faster every week.

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Like who?
[About XDA developers] Sun90:
IMHO, a 'Q&A' form is a better thing than a 'Help' thread for sure.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Yup. Agreed. We need Q&A.

The part where Kid says that once new device thread is open I definitely agree with him. Mod starts one and then just passes it onto an individual willing to maintain it. Plenty of RCs would want to do that,I am sure.

Just to clarify. Mentality of that thread is not to have all the info searchable in it, but rather answer for the n-th time the same question, with pointing where to learn and explaining how to find stuff. One by one people get educated and are very quick to take on the correct approach. It's a bit like school there. :)

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[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
I do agree that in the current state of XDA the Q&A forum has to be there, but if (and this is a very big if) we ever get to a point where new users search more, then this idea COULD work.

The idea that I quoted from King Ace is a good idea though.
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Let's just say it's alot per day. ;)

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[About XDA developers] jebuchanan:
Just an idea, (haven't read each post), why not create, for each device board, a sub board titled "Anything and everything off topic"

Let the users decide what threads to place and post in inside this sub board.

Enforcing this would be far easier and much less stressful to everyone who uses this Forum. (who wants to read 40 pages of ??? just to get an answer to their questions which are now buried inside of one lone thread)?

Just my opinion,

(Global Moderator, Comodo Forums)

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[About XDA developers] prototype7:
I suggest you do read the posts, that was already discussed and decided.
[About XDA developers] sgt. slaughter:
You see not reading before posting is part of the problem....ughhhh
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
I see new sharing buttons at the top, that to share the thread i think, so the individual post sharing buttons still stay? That's a stupid question, no reason for them to be removed.

But i think the debossed look is better than the new ones.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Wip. ... currently testing some new icons to improve things a bit.

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[About XDA developers] il Duce:
Suggestions of late (and others)

Senior member = 500 posts or more

Up the minimum for dev posts to 20 or more

A tutorials only section in each device area (we could mod that easily)

Dev talk area in each device area

Add member titles to the xda app
[About XDA developers] ApriliaM3:
I like all of them. :good:
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Well, i agree to everything except upping the min posts to 20. 12-15 max i say.
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
Agree to all. Except :

Tutorials could be instead put up on XDA-U device wise. That would be easier, i guess.

Minimum posts, if they are upped, should be 15, not 20, as RR said.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Good ideas but probably like every good idea by members will just get rejected. Plus another good idea is why not keep the new sub forum in the One X forum (another mess there) just for RD's only. Surely the brains behind XDA can only allow that to happen instead of getting mods to clear every time there is off topic chat there and keep warning people.
[About XDA developers] il Duce:
That would effectively make xda U another xda. You've got to consider the amount of tutorials that would be the same only for different devices, it would be a mess.
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
There could be a common-for-all section too... ;)

Erm..and i agree though, it would make it another xda..

And I, for one would love to see such a change come into effect, as i am always looking for different mods and guides on how to theme and add stuff, but either those tutorials don't have replies of late and are pushed back to page 3-4, or they don't show up in search results..
[About XDA developers] ypnos42:
I find it funny that I cannot reply to a thread anymore that I already contributed to and even got a thanks for a post. Just because I'm a new user. And now I have to write some more bull**** posts to get above 10 to post there again. Just image it would be 20--I would outright stop and not care anymore.

Within three days of getting my first Android phone in November I rooted it via fastboot and installed P.A.C. ROM on it. I installed adb tools to patch files along the way. Recently I built the current P.A.C. rom myself from the git repository. For me this is no magic: I have a Master's Degree in Computer Science, develop on Linux and with Java, very well understand all the stuff going on there and even recently attended a workshop on Android reverse engineering.

Yet, I did not and I will not, post around in some newbie forums just to get enough "credit" to talk with other guys in the developer thread where, in fact, a lot of postings are questions way below my threshold, from users who "earned" their right to post there by spamming for long enough yet.

You should really reconsider making these policies even tighter.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
* We have discussed up'ing the Senior Member post count threshold in the past, but considering how people post in this day and age (mainly due to the ease brought in by apps that don't require you to use a real browser), 500 posts would be reached in a matter of a couple of weeks at most. Granted, it would be 5 times more work to achieve senior status, but I honestly doubt this will have any beneficial impact.

* Believe it or not, when we were first discussing the 10 post rule (before it got implemented), my suggestion was to have a threshold of 50 posts as opposed to 10, but some thought that was a tad overkill. 20 is not a bad number and something that I think would be feasible. To those saying 12-15... why? I see you guys suggesting numbers but I see no reasoning behind choosing seemingly random numbers... nor do I see an advantage to just adding 2-5 more posts to the limit.

* That would be the "General" area or the Wiki, with the latter being the most obvious one to use. Maybe what we could do is add a permanent like (forum announcement type of link) to the top of every forum, which would lead directly to the wiki. However, this would imply that the wiki would need to be maintained (crazy talk, I know :p)

* Still in the trial process. One the trial is completed, we will move on to applying the concept to newer forums (if successful, of course, which so far seems to be the case)

* I think this resides in Tapatalk's lap rather than ours, but a good idea nonetheless...

Really? Was that absolutely necessary? Comments like these is why we cannot have nice discussions.... fml

Yes, that is doable (and simple to do in fact) by editing the forum permissions. However, there are people with no RD status who do and can contribute to these kinds of conversations, which means that many would "suffer" because of a select few loud mouths with nothing better to do...
[About XDA developers] il Duce:
Lol I'm part of the "brains behind xda" (kinda). Use a browser every once in a while. Your response is exactly the reason for my suggestion of displaying users titles in the app.

Fwiw if you're that special getting a few extra posts won't kill you. And if you're "above" helping ppl, then good for you but we don't need it. Further if your talents are such as you describe and you can back it up I'm sure a pm to the DC would at least help your current limitation. Calm down man none of us are better than anyone else here. Even the great masters can learn from a novice.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
I am having a nice discussion. Just speaking the truth. Many times I have read ideas since I have joined XDA, only for those ideas never to come to fruition.

Well you lot made it for developer conversation so why not keep it to that. I think that is a fair opinion. Or why open a sub forum at all anyway. You want developer conversation keep it between Devs and that way your mods can rest easy and no more need to throw warnings left right and center
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
It has both pros and cons.

Thing is, 10 post spammers who spam their way into dev threads to make idiotic posts are not the one who complain about it. In fact they don't even waste a single minute complaining and only spam.

Increasing it to 20 will make it a little difficult for them and give the mods more time to catch them, but they still won't complain and will only spam.

Those who complain are neither spammers nor devs and this will impact them the most. I'm not encouraging those who complain, but it's just that they're not spammers like ypnos42 on top for example (not his attitude).
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
What does my post have to do with user titles in an app. Think you got my post mistaken.
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
Well, i suggest not increasing the 10 post limit. Why? 'cause it'll just lead to more spamming and more work for the mods + it'll frustrate the people who can actually talk sense as they would then need to make double the existing number of posts.
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
I disagree with this. I think the majority of people can be dumped into one of two buckets: spammers and people who want to use the site properly. Spammers would see the increased post requirement as an even greater challenge and will just spam more. The type of users XDA wants to encourage will only get frustrated trying to meet the requirement properly.

(Just my opinion...)

Edit: instead of upping the post count, how about requiring that new users have to have 10 post AND have used the "search" function at least once?
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
I just thought of this...

Its about a new registration system, dividing the registration into two.You get to choose between two types of registration,

Developer registration and Normal registration.

If you choose developer registration, you will be presented with 10-20 developer-related basic questions, questions like "Where can you change the android version without compiling from source?".Most devs/modders would know the answer to such questions. If you get more than 60% of the questions, you get to avoid the 10-post rule and directly post in dev section, whereas if you fail, you have to make 10 useful posts before being able to post in dev section. To prevent people from searching and try to get answers by asking others, etc. Setup a time limit for this.

The other is, ofc, the current way of registration, having to make 10 posts before being able to post in dev section

"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -Gertrude Stein
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
My post above yours. Said the exact thing :)

Once? I say thrice...
[About XDA developers] il Duce:
I meant simply that had you seen my titles you wouldn't have thought it was "just another users ideas getting ignored". If you're here to suggest new ideas believe me they're being considered and some have already been implemented. Your post content is in line with your history however, it comes off mostly as you complaining and whining. Trust me that will get you nowhere fast. You've obviously been around so try finding a way to express your ideas with a little more tact, we're all listening.
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
new subforum? Dev Discussion? If so, there are MANY people who can contribute to that forum properly who aren't RD's. Take a look at the dev discussion for the Note2/SGS3 for an example. (Of course, that particular section has some anal retentive SOB on a power trip deleting posts and threads like a damn mad man. :laugh:)

Take care

Gary
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
What about WinCE devs? (er.. Windows Mobile? Windows Phone? PocketPC? what is it called nowadays?)
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
This would not only prevent the real users who want to share their work getting frustrated but also help prevent all the "I am a dev :mad:, what the hell is this crap, i am never gonna post my work here" posts

"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -Gertrude Stein
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
:p read Gary's post abv yours.
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
Just setup different questions?

Besides, most of the users that sign up nowadays are using android

"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -Gertrude Stein
[About XDA developers] LewisGauss:
Answers can be found easily on Google too.
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
I suppose you didn't read my post completely..

Well, read it again :p

"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -Gertrude Stein
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Oh I have been around long enough to know what is this place is like. You say something wrong your gone. You say something right and still your gone. No complaints from me my friend. And as regarding you guys listening. Hmm. Regarding my post history that has nothing to do with now. And as to users titles.:rolleyes:

All I am saying some ideas from members would be good if taken into consideration. Not just brushed under the carpet. And I have seen that happen.
[About XDA developers] LewisGauss:
Time limit just won't work...I think so...

It could lead people to create multiple accounts as it's easier to get rid of the 10 posts count.

Failed this time? Never mind, I can register a new account then answer the same questions.
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
2 sets of questions.. Could add an option at the beginning to select whether they would dev for Android or WP..

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I guess Admins and SMs here can detect when multiple accounts have been created and an IP ban could be dished out to those doing such a thing.
[About XDA developers] ApriliaM3:
As already mentioned earlier in this thread, if you were to put the above post into a PM and send it to the Moderator of a forum where you wish to post, the likelihood is the minimum post requirement would be waived immediately.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Yes they can detect it. Seen it happen and the admins and SMs are not fools. :D

I should know.:o
[About XDA developers] LewisGauss:
IP Address can be faked easily. :p
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
There's some discussion on this many pages back. Even with different questions, its difficult to find questions that people would be able to answer even on the same platform due to different types of developers. Taking the sample question about the android version as an example:

A person who makes "zip-ROMs" (but really couldn't develop anything new to save their life) would know the answer.

A person who develops android applications full-time (and is much more of a "developer" than the zip-ROM fellow) actually might NOT know the answer to that same question. (Why would they? They have a dozen different devices with different versions of android to test on.)

There's just too many different sets of questions XDA would have to maintain to handle different cases (and those questions can be out of date in weeks or days.) Even then, there are MANY people who know these things (unfortunately) that I'd hope would never be seen as "developers." (Those are the people who know just enough to be dangerous - and will actually give BAD advice to people and back it up with the so-called knowledge.)
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
So, multiple account creators can be dealt with this way.
[About XDA developers] il Duce:
Some ideas SHOULD be ignored lol. And this bit about say something wrong or right you're gone is silly, it's not what this thread is about. Do you have a suggestion that was missed?
[About XDA developers] LewisGauss:
Fake IP dude.

Generally, I don't agree that asking questions on registration would work. :p
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
How many stickies per device? ;) Having all development discussions for a device in a single thread could be as chaotic as having discussions for every possible firmware and variation in a single thread.

Imagine stepping in a small room with 50 people and there are 25 different discussions going on in that same small room.

It would also, I think, tend to discourage dev discussion. You'd essentially be saying to developers: If you want to talk shop, you can only do it in that one tiny closet. (While at the same time, there are upwards of a dozen or so threads discussing if a white or black phone looks better, several dozen threads to show screenshots of the speedtest.net app, etc)

Take care

Gary
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
That's where it differs...

The stickied thread is just a starting point, any discussion which requires a thread starts there...

Why not just start a thread directly in the original dev fora?

Since that would allow any John-Doe to open up a thread when he clearly doesn't know what he is talking about...

Show that a discussion is worth it, and it gets it own thread inside the dev area...

And well, the type of threads you mentioned clog the General Forum, not the dev area ;)

Original Dev section is less populated than even the Dev section...

Even with regards to stickies...

"By the power vested in me, I now pronounce you, Man and Knife"
[About XDA developers] undercover:
I think the problem is the sheer size of XDA. One cannot simply manage and overlook that many users. It's been one of my goals to try and see how to improve it here, but 99.9% of suggestions I had have already been discussed before. Sandboxing won't work due to the size of the userbase. Make people read? Force people to read? How? There is one thing that popped into mind mind recently. How easy is it to implement a multiple choice test based on the OP that gives you the link to the file if you answer all the questions correctly? i don't know. If it is easy enough, all it would be for the OP to set it up based on the OP/FAQ once, and then just adjust questions that are out of date/been updated. I like this idea very much, but the question is, how easy is it to implement?

Maybe some external testing server with embedded table in OP? Don't know, but if you guys think that has some prospects I will do my research.

And it makes sense to let people run wild in General and Q&A as long as they leave Development tidy IMHO. Like Nexus 4 is absolutely wild atm, but I've seen it all before, all you do is just stand back and let them exhaust themselves.