yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 10 General] Tomatoes8:
My guess it has something to do with my home group connection or wifi connection in general. Playback through a USB drive or internal storage never chugs though. Although some files still have artifacting.
[Nexus 10 General] situman:
I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
Good lord. So do I.
[Nexus 10 General] GTabJosh:
There are many tweaks that can be used to slim down a loaded system, but regarding games & videos, I would set the heapsize to 512m, to start. The next place I would look is swappiness. Usually when running one big app and not task switching, you'd want to increase this so that other processes are cached to virtual memory, freeing ram for your main process. With 2gb ram, though, the opposite might be better, as some apps will periodically wake to check for email, news, chats, etc. In this case I think it would be better to keep those processes in ram so that they don't cause a hit to disk to wake from virtual memory.

In other words, I would definitely try tweaking swappiness, but I don't know which way would be better. I'm going to sub this thread; please post whatever results you experience.
[Nexus 10 General] Wooba99:
I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.

For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.

The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
[Nexus 10 General] demandarin:
Since this resolution is so high on this device, is the Nexus 10 the 1st. "ULTRA" high resolution mobile device/tablet? Doesn't ultra start around this resolution or so?
[Nexus 10 General] situman:
Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
[Nexus 10 General] Wooba99:
I've not had any issues previously using MXplayer. However since this video was animated and in Japanese, it might have been completely out of sync, I have no idea :)
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
The consensus with 10bit formats seems to be that 720p 10bit is barely possible on software decoding on the nexus 7 and 1080p 10bit is just out of the question.

Here's a post in a Nexus 7 video playback thread: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28677828&postcount=2.

Here's a post about the Transformer Prime: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26645060&postcount=3.

Using HW+ for mxplayer, the Nexus 7 seems to plays 10bit 1080p but with artifacts. This seems to be confirmed by others in the thread.

The Transformer Prime seems to be able to somewhat play 10bit 720p on SW decoding (15-22 FPS).

Considering how the Nexus 10's spec is better, I'm guessing it will probably play 10bit 720p on SW decode. But this is all speculation.
[Nexus 10 General] 3473:
Diceplayer should do it?
[Nexus 10 General] Lumsdoni:
That has really made me smile today. Why not try it with an early Bruce Lee dubbed film for similar ambiguity?

:)

Swype'd at pace from my Galaxy S2
[Nexus 10 General] BoneXDA:
Personally I prefer BS over MX too on a slower device. Question is, are these players Nexus 10-ready?
[Nexus 10 General] cognus:
Wooba or someone would you pls post a link to a sample or two?

thx

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[Nexus 10 General] dave365:
MX is not currently working on Nexus 10, much like many other apps it must be said, one downside of being the earliest adopter of Android releases.

FWIW for any files where it struggles on my SGSII, changing to S/W mode generally fixes it.
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
HI10P 720p sample file: http://hotfile.com/dl/148950242/e652ee9/

HI10P 1080p sample file: http://android.tnonline.net/Software/Video/Hi10P Software/hotd-op-1080p-hi10p.mkv

Can anyone try these two samples and tell us how it goes. Preferably with a 3rd party player.

Things to test are: SW decoding, H/W+ decoding (on MX player)

I'm aware that there are a lot of apps that are broken with 4.2 including MX player, so hopefully they get fixed soon.
[Nexus 10 General] Kookas:
Things are getting updated fast, MX Player just got an update for 4.2.
[Nexus 10 General] vontexx:
The MX Player works perfect with the normal HW Dekoder (not with HW+).

Nativ 4k Trailers (h264/mp4)(Hobbit, Skyfall and more) stutters, but run perfect in MX Player and Google Player if they converted to 2560x1440!!!

There is a Timescape Trailer in 2560x1440 ready to Download and runs also perfect (i am not allowed to post the link, but just google it)
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
And so it did!

Can someone test these samples out? They would be good indicators of the Nexus 10s apparent performance as 10bit SW decoding is extremely difficult to do.

Thanks!

EDIT:

So it looks like the Nexus 10 can handle its resolution pretty well with HW acceleration.
[Nexus 10 General] BoneXDA:
So how is it, folks?

And oh yeah... what refresh rate the Nexus 10 plays certain clips, 24FPS, 25, 30, 60, what Hz?
[Nexus 10 General] MPJ88:
Anyone had any success with playback of 1080p mkv files yet?

I expected to be able to stream HD (1080p encodes ~16GB) content from my NAS however it didn't work with the 4 players i tried. Was just very stuttery and audio went out of sync.

Then tried copying a sample onto the unit but still couldn't play it smoothly.

Ended up converting to mp4 and that works fine. Don really want to have to do this every time!
[Nexus 10 General] CazeW:
If you only remuxed it to a mp4 and didn't actually re-encode it, the device should be able to play the mkv as well. If that's what you did, the players probably just need an update then.
[Nexus 10 General] BoneXDA:
MKVs always have more performance issues on mobile devices than MP4s, I wonder why. HW should be able to handle any 1080p video with ease as the likes of the Galaxy S3 plays back own 20mbit/s fullHD recordings with no stutter.
[Nexus 10 General] Oli2k:
Yeah my S3 will play 1080p MKVs no problem and my Nexus 10 can't?
[Nexus 10 General] cognus:
this is what I was thinking. why bother with the mkv's. nothing important lost in conversion to mp4 from original source
[Nexus 10 General] BoneXDA:
MP4 is HW accelerated, MKV is not, is that correct?
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
They're both hardware accelerated if they are encoded in 8 bit I believe. 10 bit is something else. The video samples you quoted from me on your OP are going to be extremely demanding compared to normal 8 bit encoding mainly because 10bit can't be hardware accelerated. So this will all depend on the CPU (I think?).

10bit MKVs are a very niche kind of encoding. Don't be surprised if you CAN'T play them. Be surprised if you can!
[Nexus 10 General] akhan47:
I just tested this 2560p Timescapes trailer on my Nexus 10 32gb. Used MX Player and the quality is fantastic. I noticed a very slight stutter but it wasn't as much as I expected. The quality on the screen is so amazing.

Here's the link for anyone else who wants to test it. Use MX Player and let me know how it goes.

http://www.timescapes.org/trailers/Download_trailer.aspx?email=bla@bla.com

Edit: Also testing a Spiderman Bluray rip (5.45gb MKV). Video quality is superb and completely smooth in both MX player and stock video player but I can't seem to get the audio working on either player. Audio is fine on my PC via VLC.
[Nexus 10 General] stiggy2012:
Damn, every nexus 10 owner should download this video. Amazing.
[Nexus 10 General] Lumsdoni:
This one post has made me so please I got this device !
[Nexus 10 General] akhan47:
I was initially pleased with how light and good the Nexus 10 was, then I was a bit underwhelmed as I've got a Nexus 7 and thought, 'there's nothing THAT much better except the actual size'. Once I played this video the sound and quality just blew me away. Now I'm in love.

Oh and the audio issue was due to MX player dropping dts codec support. The usual 720p MKV film rips work perfectly with most 3rd party players. (Using BS Player myself)
[Nexus 10 General] 3473:
Beautiful tablet. LOVE watching videos on the 16:9 aspect ratio. I also have an iPad 4, but the Nexus feels a lot more comfortable... not cheap at all. Part of the reason for this is that's extremely thin

Anyway, am still searching for something that will play blu ray 1080p mkv with DTS.. will report back what I find

cheers
[Nexus 10 General] e.mote:
For those wondering why their video players can't play DTS, read the thread below:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1831111

Synopsis: Players are threatened with lawsuit by the DTS license holders, and had to pull DTS support. For now, the best solution is VLC beta (freeware doesn't get sued I guess).

Workarounds mentioned including building custom ffmpeg lib (to include DTS) and adding it to your favorite player. The players' devs look to be facilitating this by allowing plugins to their apps.

For DTS-enabled Dice, check into this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1769799

For DTS-enabled MX, get the Neon download from this post:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=31630879&postcount=41

>MKVs always have more performance issues on mobile devices than MP4s, I wonder why.

It's not just the container, it's the muxing and parsing (demuxing) of the various stream contents, some of which are considered "niche" (eg 10-bit encoding) and all of which aren't official standard. Let's be frank, MKV was made a de facto standard by the video warez scene, and I doubt large vendors will go out of their way to support it unless they have to. The video players are all from small devs that by and large rely on ffmpeg. VLC beta may become the exception, but it has a way to go.
[Nexus 10 General] 3473:
Thanks for the tip, though the fix for mxplayer didn't work for me.

Dice player fix worked and played the audio fine, though it could only play the video via sw so the video was still laggy
[Nexus 10 General] crazyjoezx:
Any "Pulgins" for the mobo player? I like this player because when you hit the Home button it minimizes the video on to the home screen (kinda like the GS3 does)so you can multitask ...the audio works in SW but just not worth the lag..when i turn it to HW the picture looks fantastic..
[Nexus 10 General] flak0:
Testing now
[Nexus 10 General] Oli2k:
I made a video of my findings so far, I used various 720p and 1080p samples and files I had to hand.

http://youtu.be/o-mVUl5omHw
[Nexus 10 General] ContentsMayVary:
I'm a bit of a noob for this kind of thing; when I try to download it via the links on that page, it starts trying to play it instead. (This is using Chrome.)

How do you make it download instead of playing?
[Nexus 10 General] tywilson:
tap and hold the link and then choose save link
[Nexus 10 General] 3473:
The best option I have found so far:

Download VLC for android beta from Google play. Go to preferences, tick enable 'hardware accelerated decoding' (release notes say that it supports A15)

Should play all video and audio fine

Let me know what you think

Thanks
[Nexus 10 General] ContentsMayVary:
Thanks :)
[Nexus 10 General] BoneXDA:
You let us know what you think. :)

What are those with issues, what are those that play smoothly. Were you able to play back video from external storage somehow?
[Nexus 10 General] 3473:
I tried uncompressed blu ray mkv's, seemed to play both video and audio perfectly fine (provided that hardware acceleration was enabled)

Haven't tried external storage (yet)
[Nexus 10 General] jarjar124:
could someone post the apk for the vlc? for some reason its not supported in my country...(north america)
[Nexus 10 General] jboy001:
I had that country problem with VLC too, I was ale to bypass it by grabbing an apk directly from their nightlies site

I can't post links but search for it, you want the armv7-android-neon version
[Nexus 10 General] jarjar124:
u sure its not arm9?
[Nexus 10 General] jboy001:
I didnt see a arm9 version on the list. the arm7 neon version worked flawlessly with the 1080p mkvs I tried

Their site only lists the following for android

Android (ARMv6 with FPU)

Android (ARMv6 without FPU)

Android (ARMv7-A)

Android (x86)
[Nexus 10 General] crazyjoezx:
http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/armv7-android-neon/

this one right?.... Im just getting a black screen when I try :-\
[Nexus 10 General] jboy001:
yes thats the one i'm using, enable hardware accelerated decoding and it worked well for me
[Nexus 10 General] dvinnen:
Thanks, was finally able to get **** to work by using ES Explorer to find files on my samba NAS and got them to play in MX Player with H/W video and SW audio.

H/W+ and HW audio didn't work.
[Nexus 10 General] gravis86:
+1 for VLC nightlies and hardware acceleration. Works great on MKVs!
[Nexus 10 General] MPJ88:
Thanks for the nightlies link :)
[Nexus 10 General] lellouchftw:
has anyone tried playing back 10 bit (hi10p) x264 files on the nexus 10 yet? They're pretty common in the anime scene.
[Nexus 10 General] BoneXDA:
Yes, it can't play 10bit fullHD properly. Hell, my desktop computer struggles with the samples.
[Nexus 10 General] gmanhatesu:
Can it play the 720p samples though?
[Nexus 10 General] 404 ERROR:
One person reported that it can = http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=34227656&postcount=21

In response to = http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=34226728&postcount=20

Your desktop must be old. :P My laptop plays 10bit 1080p videos pretty damn well.
[Nexus 10 General] Oli2k:
Same here, here's a video of of setting up dts on mxplayer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6sl1MtBybE
[Nexus 10 General] punzada:
+1 to this, MX player with software audio and hardware video is handling 720p and 1080p h264 rips w/ac3 audio without issue. Also adding the DTS codec manually works great for the files requiring that as well. Great finds.
[Nexus 10 General] turt1e:
Anyone know if this device can play 1080p *.mov files created with a Canon 7D? Also, what about 1080p GoPro files straight from the camera?

thanks,b
[Nexus 10 General] e.mote:
>Anyone know if this device can play 1080p *.mov files created with a Canon 7D? Also, what about 1080p GoPro files straight from the camera?

MOV is closely related to MP4 container (it uses H.264/AAC streams), and shouldn't be a problem to play, although you may need 3rd-party player to parse it. To play it with built-in player, you can remux MOVs to MP4s, which takes trivial time. For best compatibility with (non-Apple) devices, suggest MOV->MP4 remux.

GoPro uses standard MP4 for all of its formats, and should be playable with native player.
[Nexus 10 General] BoneXDA:
Does size/duration have an effect on playing smoothness, say I throw a 3-hour 8GB epic over a 2-minute sample video?
[Nexus 10 General] NIK516:
I'm sure it will but it won't be smooth I'd say.
[Nexus 10 General] gravis86:
I haven't tried 1080 yet but it handles the 720p/60 files no problem.
[Nexus 10 General] lizardmech:
10bit 720p mpeg4 playback is still very poor on the nexus 10, its semi watchable but the quality is worse than 8-bit and it drops frames. Why has no one made a simple media player for android that is optimized for 10bit files? As far as I can tell the popular android media players all fall back to FFmpeg for software decoding on 10-bit. Is the FFmpeg build they use not well optimized for modern ARM SoCs? Perofmance on this decoder does not seem to have improved as you would expect on newer hardware, the difference in framerate between my old HP touchpad and Nexus 10 is quite small and MX player using FFmpeg does not appear to even fully utilize the CPU, with usage hoving around 70% on both cores.

I know the none of the android devices support 10-bit video with their hardware decoders but would it be possible to create a decoder that offloads some of the work via openGL? I know some of the popular 10-bit decoders on windows utilize GPU shaders via directX to perform some functions. Alternatively would it be possible to further optimize FFmpeg for A15 cores? The build options have flags for armv7 and tegra2 but nothing specific for newer SoCs.

I wish I could investigate either options further but they are both beyond my programming abilities.
[Nexus 10 General] DocteurN:
MX Player has a 10 bits video H/W+ playback option. Don't know if if works though...

Envoyé depuis mon Nexus 10 avec Tapatalk
[Nexus 10 General] lizardmech:
Doesn't work on nexus 10 or anything other device I own, I have only seen it running on a nexus 7, maybe its tegra 3 only. Release notes on MX player don't say which devices can use or if it can be enabled on others in future.
[Nexus 10 General] m0bster:
Anyone tested the hdmi ouput?

Is N10 capable of proper 1080p 24Hz?
[Nexus 10 General] chugger93:
I don't know what everyone's deal is with movie playback. I had an 8G mkv 1080p "Toy Story 3" file, that I used handbrake on to rencode it and downsize it to a 2gig MP4 and it plays so awesome on my N10 and still looks amazing
[Nexus 10 General] KillerElohim:
I have +- 100movies in MKV, i don’t think, I’m going to rencode all just to see on the N10.

When i buy something like the N10, I’m expecting that can plays MKV 24frames without any problem, I don’t want to waste time on rencodes

Cumps.
[Nexus 10 General] chugger93:
I disagree. That's what media streamers are for that you hook into your lan or wifi at home (Xstreamer for example - something I have at home). Those have the processing power and whatnot to handle streaming natively. Tablets arnt made to stream necessarily... I think what you are trying to do is somewhat outside the scope of a tablet.

Granted in hindsight I never tried playing the full 8G mkv, I just re-encoded it first, so I have no idea if it would have played it. Also you have to keep in mind that movies you downloaded have so many variations, so many different bitrates, etc that these groups convert them too, who knows what your up against half the time...and whether or not your Nexus 10 can even hang with that. I think there's gotta be a give and take, especially with High Quality movie streaming on a tablet.

Just my 02
[Nexus 10 General] dadebue:
I've just tried the HDMI output. Some files work some not. Seems like mx player is the best one (with h/w decoder) unless you have DTS sound :/ then you have to use vlc which is not finished yet and doesn't play the files that smooth. But MX player is pretty smooth. The files were mkv's with about 10 mbit's. Does anyone know how to get rid of the two black borders on the sides? Conclusion: you are able to watch 1080p mkv's but it's not perfect yet...
[Nexus 10 General] BoneXDA:
Well that defeats the purpose of having a PC-free device, doesn't it, if you need one to decode videos for your tablet.
[Nexus 10 General] m0bster:
Thank you for testing!

Does your tv support 24Hz playback?

Can you please, check that N10 changes the refresh rate of your tv to 24?

I own a galaxy tab 7.7 and it always output 60Hz, so all proper 24Hz films playback is never perfect.

Edit: from my experience with Samsung tabs: the best player for them is BSPlayer (free on play)
[Nexus 10 General] muyoso:
I placed a 1080p rip of Planet Earth on the Nexus 10 and it played fine. High profile h.264 @L.5.1 in mkv format. Hits CRAZY high bitrate at the bird scene as well, but it played perfectly smooth.

Mxplayer BTW.

Edit: During the bird scene of the first episode of Planet earth, a peak bitrate of over 51,000 kb/s is achieved. And the Nexus 10 plays it flawlessly. Thats pretty impressive to me.
[Nexus 10 General] chowynatt:
I'm having trouble running any video in H/W or H/W+ mode.

I normally stream MKV's converted through multiAVCD as they play on my PS3.

I can play and stream these fine using my GSII in H/W mode using MX Player but my Nexus 10 just wont play via any H/W method no matter what software or settings I use, streaming or local.

Bsplayer plays perfect on my GSII streaming these files that are 1080p with H/W decoding but still no joy via Nexus 10 same methods?

Any ideas?
[Nexus 10 General] sidamos77:
720p@24 mkv does not play as smooth as on my PC. Tested various encoding parameters with handbrake and played with MX (HW) and Google movie player.
[Nexus 10 General] nate1280:
Been playing around with video playback for a bit (using MX Player), throwing various files at it, and some files use H/W, others use S/W but seem to play fine, while other still use S/W and don't play very well.

Just a bit confused, some files that should be played via H/W (MOVs, even some MKVs) aren't, but in S/W seem to play fine. Have a WMV (VC-1 video, and WMA10 audio) ~10mbps avg bitrate, should play using H/W decoder, but plays via S/W decoder, and doesn't play very well.

Compiling a list of files (and there specs) and how MX Player plays them and if they seem smooth or not.

Also downloaded the Timescapes 4k trailer, and just, wow.
[Nexus 10 General] dadebue:
hey guys I just found a way to enable DTS sound and it works great!!!

just download the neon.zip extract it to your SD card and set it as a default codec in MX player settings ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=34649108
[Nexus 10 General] nalrodriguez:
There is a free app on the market called HD MOVIES or HD MOVIES ICS, it streams HD movies from various hosting sites and i can say it was my first time trying a 720p Movie and it played great, it looked even better.

The app is worth a try if you wanna see an hd movie to test the N10. I found about it a few hours ago.
[Nexus 10 General] KillerElohim:
I understand what you are saying, but i want something portable to see movies.

Already have the nexus, and i most be with some luck, because all the movies i have test, works very good :)

Using MX player with the codec for DTS.

Just for fun >

https://www.dropbox.com/s/10p1522i09fbms3/20121128_204035.mp4

Cheers
[Nexus 10 General] lizardmech:
Would there be any benefit to recompiling the ffmpeg software codecs used by mxplayer specifically for A15? I can't find much information about how much A15 cores are differ to older A9+neon cores and if using specific A15 build flags can help performance.
[Nexus 10 General] situman:
I use BSplayer and I can watch everything I was not able to on my Note 10.1, which I sold. Everything from 1080p to 10bit mkvs. Sure, it's not butter smooth, but at least the sound and pictures sync with occasional choppiness. Just goes to show the power of this thing.
[Nexus 10 General] dadebue:
how did you eliminate the black bars on your tv?
[Nexus 10 General] the_slain_man:
Would also want to know how to do this
[Nexus 10 General] akhan47:
No black bars? How did you manage that? Spill the beans.
[Nexus 10 General] tofo17:
I don't think he is pushing the video from the N10 via HDMI as they aren't in sync.
[Nexus 10 General] PuroKaibil:
How to get DTS working with MX Player

Download this file and follow instructions here (thx olis4)

[YOUTUBE]v6sl1MtBybE[/YOUTUBE]

This worked for me :)

I'm streaming all movies including mkv with DTS using MX player with no issues at all.

Thank you.
[Nexus 10 General] 8balldown:
9Gb MKV 1080 P 24 fps on MXpro plays excellent

There is no need to remux the mkvs. Once the DTS audio is fixed in MX player everything is playing quite smooth and very clean detail. I just played "Prometheus-1080p" full movie and it is excellent. If you want a to see a free great movie on youtube that will show the N10s screen HD detail, search for "Home". It is HD and the colour and detail (along with the story) will impress. I ended up purchasing the Blu Ray I was so impressed. Don't miss it!

Loving my N10 but it need a couple of fixes. eg DTS sound in MX player, and Flash playing in Firefox. I just have to get the external adapter for USB to micro USB thumb drives to read the data on the sticks. I works great on my Sammy Galaxy Note but not the N10 - yet LOL.
[Nexus 10 General] KillerElohim:
Yeap that is right.....

The video on the TV, is streaming from the PC.

Sorry guys.
[Nexus 10 General] Freshman206:
Does not work here.

Starting up my mkv DTS file with that codec leads to a big freeze.

Without that codec, the files plays smoothly using HW decoder but without sound....