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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JoeSyr:
Is it reasonable to expect that the AOSP implementation will differ much from google's OTA? I do not follow AOSP development closely, but have had the impression that features and functionality are pretty directly dictated by Google's submissions, and work done between is more bugfixing.

That is to say, does the AOSP evolution between google's version bumps consist much of stuff the end user would notice as a change in functionality?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
The OTA is not a reflection of AOSP submissions, but rather, AOSP is a reflection of changes from the OTA private branch.

So while they are the same code, AOSP differs in that it is not more up to date than private branches unless you run Master (and we cannot). Even then, true AOSP roms that do not have anything replaced in them via gapps do differ some from retail. Mostly in that closed source components are missing.

I am just trying to correct the misconception that the ota is built from AOSP. AOSP is its own project.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 8mileroad:
With this logic, 99.999% of the problems on this forum are first world problems.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Soldier 2.0:
I bet he is one of those guys that says cool story bro
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dhi29:
i feel like many of the new features are the outcome of google saying "ah, ****, november 13th is coming up so we better so push out what we've got done."

lock screen widgets seem equally as unfinished. and yes, i'm quite disappointed that the quick settings menu are not toggles. to get to setting now you have to go into the quick setting menu then go to settings, it's all just a mess....

i was really enjoying complete stock android, but i might start using cyanogenmod again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BraydenJames:
I find the quick toggles as a great base for custom rom developers. I'd love someone to leave the quick toggles themselves in there, but change the functionality to work more like AOKP toggles (click to toggle, long press to enter the settings). As well as add in the ability to customize them. I have no doubt our great ROM community will be all over that. And if not.. Then I think this would be a great time to jump in and figure it out myself! Haha.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Spronx_:
This guy gets it.

Android is still built for the consumer first and foremost in order to compete on the same front as iOS, not for the dev nor community.

What Google have done here and created a great base from which the community can now build on. If you are on here, clearly you are the kind of person that doesn't settle for stock anyway, so just wait and see what the devs can pull out of the hat.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
I can see just see custom ROMs make the Quick Settings able to be modified, so they don't have to add actual toggles anymore.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kookooktchoo:
I like the fact that the back button returns you to whichever app you were using after using one of the quick settings,
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
I hope you are right.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vbauer86:
Thats why they call it

''

Quick Settings

'' and not ''

Quick Toggles

''

so wheres the Problem?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] voyager_s:
Yep...agree with the OP. Its quite silly really. I was expecting a real quick toggles option and not just a link to the menu options.

:eek:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] androidkid311:
Well said. Some people post silly replies for thanks. Don't let them faze you (y)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
The problem is that "Quick Settings" is not accurate. The description should be "Quick Links to settings pages"

"Quick settings" would denote that you can actually change a setting quickly, rather than be linked to a settings page so you can change it after being linked.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kookooktchoo:
What makes quick settings so slow? The quick settings page is still faster than what was implemented before 4.2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nachtschicht:
Not quite true, but it's only showing up when an app like e.g. Maps is accessing GPS ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] veyka:
This implementation makes sense as android is not just for us techies, but also for Joe and Jane sixpack.

When a user wants to turn on blue tooth or wifi, they will also normally want to connect to a network or a device, that means that the least confusing way todo it is to take you to the settings page where they can turn on and select what to connect to.

I know that you could long press on the cm style toggles to take you to the settings page, but long press actions are not easy to independently discover, why do you think that the launcher has a little tutorial about about to move icons around?

Of cause I can see custom roms enhancing the quick settings to work how we expect them to, I think the cm guys said they would rework them rather than porting their toggles, so the point is moot if you use custom roms anyway.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
Its not a toggle or a switch. Its a link to a toggle or a switch. This should be pretty clear...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
If only there was a way to get notification toggles on 4.2... well, I guess you could just go to the Play Store and download one of the many apps that perform that function... and of course they'll have a high level of customizability that Google will not give you... NAH, spamming up XDA is a much better idea.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DoomFragger:
CM or AOKP will probably maintain the quick settings placeholder and replace the behavior:

Press: Toggle (if it makes sense);

Long Press: Settings.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
Yeah let's tell the Android devs to stop developing Android since we already have enough and the app store devs can do all the work. Who needs more features built into their mobile OS anyway? :eek:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 063_XOBX:
They are. Where other than the 1st world would somebody complain about their cell phone's quick settings not being real toggles or having an almost imperceptible "lag" ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
There are lots more features in 4.2, including Quick Settings. You don't like them. We get it. Google does. I'm sure they know the alternatives but for some reason(s) they chose an implementation you dislike. Get over it. Your problem can be solved by downloading an app. That's what's great about Android. Google doesn't want to limit your choices, they just don't always make the same choices you would make. But you can take this opportunity to support one of our hard working app developers who surely are not pulling down Google bucks and could use the support. Or you could take to Facebook with your complaints. Except your friends and family will not care about your Android dork concerns. So you will feel unlistened to. That sucks. That's life. No one really cares. So you come to XDA to vent. But this is not the place for that, it is not a social networking site. Maybe try Google+? Lots of Android dorks there. Or /r/android? They all hate Android, I'm sure you'd get some upvotes.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CMNein:
Out of the box they don't do everything I want, but rest assured that there will be some great things built upon the source.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zerocool79346:
They never said it was a toggle or a switch. I'm sorry that you felt you could divine what Google meant when they stated "quick settings" but usually it's better not to believe what you want and just take them at their word. It's still faster than in 4.1 and that's really all Google had in mind.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] scaryshark:
I haven't had a chance to check out 4.2 but from an efficiency point of view, its not well thought out;

Aosp;

To toggle WiFi swipe notifications, swipe again click WiFi and toggle WiFi

4 actions

Cm:

swipe notifications, toggle WiFi

2 actions - or if you want settings hold WiFi, still 2 actions
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
Sadly I'm waiting on Verizon so can't fully commiserate with everyone on this, however have been using Powerful Control by farproc (from the Play Store) and has toggles like CM for stock devices. Wish Google had included this in the latest build, but since they haven't is a good add on for many users.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blackhand1001:
You can long press the cm toggles to go to the settings page.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] danielrod:
Yeah it is a little ridiculous. Even the TouchWiz toggles function in the way that they're supposed to.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Are you insinuating that these are not functioning how Google planned?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Lesicnik1:
That's because they're toggles. Nowhere did they specify that quick settings would be toggles.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pfmiller:
It's actually 3 moves. 2-finger swipe to open settings menu, touch Wi-Fi, then toggle off.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
Its a half-assed solution, no matter what Google intended.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JonathanBarca10:
except its not half-assed? because chances are this IS what Google intended? you REALLY believe that Google would NOT have put in true toggles if they could have? they want it the way it is, because then your AVERAGE consumer can see what is actually being done in the background, so there is transparency in the action, and like somebody said, no confusion over it. there's also the issue of your AVERAGE consumer being tech-illiterate still, whereas the newer generations are not so much.

and as somebody else says, you seem to still be missing the point that it is quick SETTINGS not quick toggles, and there is a difference because it takes you QUICKly to your SETTINGS. faster than swiping down/finding settings app in app drawer, then scrolling to the setting you want, then clicking it, then engaging it. it is still faster/QUICKer.

so there is no desire to "stifle innovation" or be "complacent" there is simply a need to balance the desires of Google to make Android as efficient as possible while still being pretty easily manageable for someone who doesn't even know what bluetooth is.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
You could have done better, right? ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
Do you realize that the Galaxy 3 series from Samsung has toggles at the very top of the notification shade at all times? Do you realize that the Touchwiz 5.0 UI was sold to tens of millions of customers this year? Do you realize that that solution, while cluttered, is STILL more functional on an AVERAGE CONSUMER phone than the solution presented on a phone that is meant more for developers?

I understand that Google probably did not want to confuse people, as I'm the first person in this thread who laid out that conjecture, but it still stands that despite this concern, its still an insult to user intelligence as there's tens of millions more people using built-in toggles around the world out there on their Samsung consumer phone than there are people with Nexus developer phones.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Do you realize that Google does not use TouchWiz, or desire to be like it?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
This is the Apple mentality. Open source is certainly about providing choices to the end user via a myriad of 3rd party developers, but its also about providing a massive amount of choice to the user with a software as fundamental as an operating system. An OS should be engineered towards being as functional for the biggest number of users possible, with 3rd party developers filling in the demands yet to be met or the demands met that aren't to the satisfaction of the users.

Besides, Google IS limiting your choices, because SOME people would want the choice to have toggles built into the OS. A 3rd party solution could provide another choice like different kinds of toggles or to make the Android OS toggles into something else, but either way, Google's lack of a built-in solution is one less choice an end-user has.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I am sorry, but giving you choices is not an Apple mentality.

Stop crying in your beer, and change it in AOSP. If this was an Apple mentality, you couldn't change it.

Devs have turned some people into spoiled brats. Gimme gimme gimme!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
Now you're kinda getting off topic. The point of my post is that its been proven that the average consumer can use toggles just fine and that Google should have included that functionality instead of thinking a consumer who buys a developer phone can't handle something as simple as a toggle.

Oh I see, we have no place to complain at all since we're just the end user being given all this amazing technology by people much smarter than us and know better than we do. You're one of THOSE people. Great...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nickzkcin:
I think its more of a 'ask nicely' vs 'complain and demand' kind of thing.

---------- Post added at 11:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:23 AM ----------

TIL

thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Allow me to say this again. If you don't like it, change it.

Or are you one of THOSE people who complains for the sake of complaining, and doesn't try to be proactive?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
Google is not limiting your choice! If some people want toggles built into the OS they can buy Touchwiz, just like you yourself said! Go fork your own Android branch and add some goddamn toggles already! Or just download an app or flash a ROM, either way... STFU!!!

Sorry, that may have been a little over the top. It's just my 2 and 4yr old have been driving me crazy all day and you sound just like them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
Most people, including myself, can't change it.

Why would somebody complain for the sake of complaining? This is a valid complaint in a forum about discussion of the OS we all use, while meanwhile, you're the guy complaining about people complaining. You're ridiculous.

Yes we all get that we can do other things to add this functionality. This thread is about the half-assery of Google's functionality. You're essentially off-topic and like adrynalyne, you're complaining about people who complain. It's silly.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
I guess there's a reason why they're called "Quick SETTINGS" and not "Quick Toggles"
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Are you saying you can't learn?

Thats what I did when something wasn't to my liking.

I happen to believe that you can learn. Funnel your energy into fixing it for yourself, instead of complaining on a non-Google forum. If you want to complain, at least do it in a place Google will hear about it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
Fair enough. Of course I can learn. Anybody can, really. I just choose not to because there's other solutions that have occurred long ago. I'm just saying that Google's quick settings didn't go the full mile they should have. But sure, you're right about this not being the right place to voice concerns. I just wanted to see if other people agreed that these settings are not ideal.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Fair enough.

They don't bother me because I've never been a quick settings guy. I think they could have done more with the empty space they left, but thats something we will address in roms.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] negrobembon:
Even though im not on 4.2 yet, the idea of quick setting seems quite good to me, even better than toggles in a way

Toggles are just toggles you press the button and the wifi is on

Quick settings wifi button is where the toggle would be but instead of turning on the wifi, it takes u to the wifi settings to do it yourself

You can access both at any time cause they're in the dropdown but the QS allow you to open the entire wifi or bluetooth settings, not just turn them on but select the access point should there be more than one, instead of connecting to the nearest one or to a new one thats not registered or change the wifi settings on the fly, with toggles u would have to scroll to the settings app to do this

So imo quick settings seem more useful in that way or will be when they work on them a little bit more
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
That's another thing that annoys me. Such a waste of space. I'd like that quick settings pane to be like a full command center for my phone and allow app devs to add control widgets to it, etc since a lot of people including myself would prefer non-informative widgets to be out of the way and only available all in one place when I need them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] scaryshark:
Oh right. The leaked reports suggested that it was 2 swipes down, that would gave been quite cool though. I never use my phone by holding it with my left hand and doing stuff with my right.

That's just weird, their other implementation sounds better
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
To ogles built in from cm for example long pressing the toggle would open the settings for what your turning on. That's more useful due to when I get home instead if taping the toggle would turn it on instead of hitting WiFi button then also turning in WiFi
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] negrobembon:
Oh, didnt know that, thats definetly more convenient
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adbFreedom:
I like the idea behind the "hidden" toggles.. but as they are now they are useless for me once i get cm/aokp style toggles back
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I get why some people dont like these quick settings, and I get why some people do, but I dont get why people are bickering about it. Either you like it, or you dont, there is no middle ground to find here and there is no correct opinion.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
The "quick" settings don't seem very quick to me after using them. Changing, say, WiFi is the same number of taps as before.

Sent from my iPhone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] foosion:
Airplane mode is a toggle.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Big ZD:
Which is funny, given how easy it is to get to without the quick settings. Hold power button... Push airplane mode.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
Before: step 1- swipe notification panel down, step 2- Click settings, step 3- turn WiFi on.

Now: Double swipe notification panel down, step 2- click WiFi, step 3- turn WiFi on.

-edit- derp, I misread your post.

But this way does seem to be a more direct way to WiFi settings than before.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mortenmhp:
Well no, toggling wifi is the same number of steps(see the guy above me)

However changing as you specify is:

before: 1. swipe down 2 goto settings 3 goto wifi settings 4 click new wifi network 5 press connect

now: 1 2-finger swipe down 2 goto wifi settings 3 click new wifi network 4 press connect

It may be my counting but that definitely doesn't seem like the same.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bittermormon:
but a ***** ain't one?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] monkeypaws:
Seriously. 12 pages of griping about the toggles. Head over to the sgs3 section. They just got jb finally and there a thread similar to this but about the notification bar now being slightly gray and not black. Serious issues indeed
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Migueluxo:
Power toggles should do the job until Google steals the idea... Just like they did on the swipe thing. Lol, just a couple of people heading to the unemployed line :)

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CMNein:
Power Toggles didn't work for me that well on 4.2, but Widgetsoid got a nice update for 4.2.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Big ZD:
Just downloaded and set up widgetsoid... Straight cash homey!

Not at all upset about the quick link to setting in 4.2 now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] negrobembon:
Widgetsoid is amazing good choice man, i was planning to uninstall it as soon as my phone got 4.2 but now im not sure
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] marhensa:
Notification Toggle

i am dissapointed too.. :(

but this app amazed me.

and rants is over now.

Notification Toggle

:good: :good: :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] altimax98:
Here is the way I see it and I think the way Google built it around.

Most people won't be using the BT or WiFi icons to actually toggle them on and off. Most people leave them on and want the toggle to allow them to connect to the car or new WiFi hotspot. Hence why the Airplane mode, Rotation and Brightness are actual toggles. I also love the second page idea, great because I hates having CM or 3rd party toggles taking up a line of notifications.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] marhensa:
but but but it just a small portion of notifications window.. :D

yeah, preferences and likeness is difference on many people.. :)

i prefer the CM way, it's compact and simple.. :o
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Soldier 2.0:
I like the size of the icon on this application. Thanks for sharing. I hope I don't take a big hit on battery though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] urinsane:
Wow, really liking Widgetsoid as well. Thanks everyone for the recommend. Haven't even looked at the widgets part yet, just notification toggles.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MS.:
I do respect Google for their hard work and for Android that we enjoyed for over three years, but i don't get why they have done all this to Android 4.2. It's like early alpha version. The quick settings aren't that quick actually as OP have mentioned. Google Music app feels quite sluggish. When editing contacts birthdays you have no December. The lockscreen... Why? We can unlock the phone and enjoy the widgets on our home screens... No need for home screen on top of another home screen. Multi user support IMO is quite useless, i don't know a single person who shares their phone with someone else. After trying few 4.2 based ROMs i ended up with all my internal storage moved to /SDCARD/0/0/0/0... That wasn't cool at all.

I liked new clock widget, new clock on lockscreen, Daydream function and overall ROMs performance but because of all mentioned above now i'm on CM10. Not because 4.2 lacks some features, because most new changes are wrong IMO. This is first time when i have downgraded Android version on my phone. I'm sorry Google.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
Takes up space in the notification shade. Nope.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Citizen_Snips:
Yeah I didn't like it. I almost thought they did their own thing with AOKP/CM toggles and I long pressed it by accident and went into settings. Nooe. Just takes you there w/o toggling anything. Also the lack of toggles for phone settings baffled me. Hopefully ROM dev's get 4.2 as a base soon enough and add the rest of the toggles currently in aokp and cm and make them real toggles with the long press into settings.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cybrvipr23:
Just use Notification Toggle from the Play Store.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jesusice:
Wow. You sound just like my 4yr old daughter.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanishere:
Plus it takes up ram because it constantly runs.

Apps that try and replicate custom ROM features all suck. Just ROM your phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CMNein:
Widgetsoid is using 5.3 for me, that I can live with comfortably.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
Why was anyone expecting toggles for something called Quick Settings? If it was called Quick [insert synonym for toggles here], then I'd understand the disappointment.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CMNein:
Exactly, although it's a mix of settings and toggles. I see it as a blank canvas, awesome development will ensue.

I find myself using it, regardless of whether I'm running a toggle app or not.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] daewond3r:
Agreed. I was a little bummed it didn't work like I hoped it would (toggles), but I like the look of it and I'm sure CM and other dev teams will finesse it to everyone's liking.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Joplisan:
I love new toggles. I got used to them right away. No complaints what so ever. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zerocool79346:
Actually prefer them as well.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] marhensa:
i tried decompile SystemUI.apk ..

it seems editable.. and improvable.

some devs (FNV Team) already put auto-rotate toggle on it.

just wait patiently for the incoming mods..

it's android, don't underestimate the power of devs around here.. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
How can you not have any complaints about "toggles" that don't even toggle?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] marhensa:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1999125

Sent from Galaxy Nexus - Android Jelly Bean 4.2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
Maybe because...they're not toggles?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shahrukhraza:
The only two things that I like are the brightness and battery quick settings... The battery one is really useful