yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[About XDA developers] mdmower:
With regards to XDA forum rule #4:

I suggest removing If you're really unable to post in English use an online translator. This can lead to misunderstandings and in a worst-case-scenario, bad instructions for modifying a device. Preferably, users with poor English skills should find a friend to check their posts.
[About XDA developers] hawkerpaul:
A quick suggestion for a mod to the forum software.

When a post is quoted in a reply, I think it would be very handy for the quoted post to be linked back to the original post.

I think this could make following a thread so much easier.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
i got a suggestion..get rid of that damn thread rating thing....so many threads get down rated by trolls that i have seen for no apparent reason...a dev opens a rom thread and he is highly regarded within the forum and for no reason his thread gets downrated...few other threads around xda the same....i think i am not the only to say please get rid of the feature cause in my opinion it does more harm than good
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
Quoted posts do link back.

Just like how this is.

Just click in the blue hyperlink (on tapatalk), or the small arrow on the website (besides the wird "orignally posted by")
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Issue with this could be that they may not have a friend who speaks or understands English
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
^^^this. You'll see on my post both the quoted texts above have a link to each post respectively
[About XDA developers] quijote1:
I haven't been following this thread and with more than 100 pages, I'm not going to read all of them before posting this. The following was a suggestion that I made on the NeatRom thread and HawkerPaul suggested that I present it here. If it has already been suggested here, my apologies:

QUOTE FROM NEATROM THREAD:

I've been with this thread at least as long as the regular participants, but haven't had a chance to participate much because I only read the thread 3 times a day and each time I see a question that I might answer I realize that there are still 20 pages that I haven't read - and certainly the question has already been answered. So I don't really feel like one of the "family" insiders.

But I have an idea that could make the thread a lot more manageable for those who don't keep XDA onscreen all day long. I've used other forums where there are topics and sub-topics. For example, someone asks a question - that post becomes the topic and then all answers to that question become subtopics. Then it is possible to read the thread, looking at just the topics and if it is interesting, then you can open the topic and read all the subtopic answers. That would allow people to pass more quickly through the posts without having to read 20 different happy birthday wishes (those would all be grouped under the first happy birthday wish). Equally, if someone asks a question that I know the answer to, I can open the topic and read all the other answers. If there is still something for me to add, I can then do it without having to go to the end of the thread. I'm sure that you can see many other advantages.

But this is a major change for XDA and would need to get a big push from the moderators.

I think it would make the forums more pleasant since OT posts would not be as bothersome for those who don't want to see them - and would allow those who want to socialize the chance to do so in a topic dedicated to that.

OK, so I get to contribute something..... best wishes to all......
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
Sounds like mixing a forum with stackoverflow...lol
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
Just to be clear, do you mean similar to how comments in the Portal show up. Where there are indents if someone replies directly to your post?

Sent via my HTC One using XDA Premium
[About XDA developers] quijote1:
Well, I can't say that I've ever seen the Portal. I always use Tapatalk or the XDA app on my phone. But I have seen forums where answers to a question are indented below the original question. And on some of those forums it is possible to hide the answers for quickly reviewing the thread.
[About XDA developers] Sine.:
Quijote1, you already can have a threaded or an hybrid view (look into "User CP" > "Settings & options" > "Edit options" > "Thread Display Options " > "Thread Display Mode"), but I don't think it will change a lot because most of the time people don't respond to a post in particular (the "quick reply" button on each post) but to the conversation in general. (The "post reply" button at the bottom of the thread)
[About XDA developers] quijote1:
Hmmm, I'm going to try that. I wonder if it works on Tapatalk and XDA?

At the moment I can't reply to posts on Tapatalk. It crashes when I select reply. But XDA works.
[About XDA developers] upndwn4par:
Bump
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
I think with Paypal being universal, fast and safer than most other methods it would be the only option we'd accept at the minute

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[About XDA developers] CharliesTheMan:
What browser are you using? With Firefox and Opera both it should remember fine. It sounds to me like cookies are disable or some other security setting or programs settings are preventing the automatic log in.
[About XDA developers] efs12:
Perhaps you can create a new rule for the first post of a new ROM which has a strict structure and the moderators can warn the devs if they don't follow the rules. I don't know if it's a good idea, if mods can warn devs, but if the first post has all necessary information, most of the users have no reason to ask things like installing a2sd. The first post is needed for everyone who wants to flash a new rom, because the links to the rom and the gapps are there.

A structure could be:

Name of the Rom

Sources (Based on)

What's working / Problems

(needed Scripts, including settings)

(not working scripts, possible a comment why it's not working)

Links

installation instructions including various scripts and their settings

Credits

I think this should cover most of the problems, if everything is here.

What I've seen, the first post is modified every time the dev changes the rom, so he should also update the information around. It should be better for both sides, the devs and the users, if everything is combined in the first post.
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
While it's preferred if ROM threads have a particular layout, I think a lot of people wouldn't bother making the ROMs and bringing them here if they were forced to have the OP looking a specific way.

While we'd like to think that they wouldn't leave over something so trivial, the reality is that some would.

The only time, that I'm aware of, where a ROM thread HAS to have a certain layout is if the ROM maker plans on becoming a RD. Apart from that, it's the OPs choice as long as they include what they have to.
[About XDA developers] efs12:
I'm not sure. If you read some of the threads, every second page has the same question like a2sd or other different scripts.

If a dev / rom-maker writes down everything necessary on the first post, he would have less work and the posts would really have information and not always the same questions. That also means more time for work and problems and not spending for useless posts.

Perhaps it would be hard in the beginning, but i think that devs/rom-makers will be thankful after a while (I would be).
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
I can see your logic, and it is something we have discussed in the past, but you also have to bear in mind that no matter what content you put in the OP of a thread, you'll still have people asking stupid questions which are already answered. Already happens
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
I totally agree on the fact that it would make it easier for the dev if they were to have all the needed information available, but there's 3 main reasons I can think of as to why a lot don't do that;

1) Sheer laziness - I believe this is the case with quite a few of the ROM threads that I've seen because it almost looks as if the OP has thrown the thread together in a hurry. If I see any ROM threads like that, I won't even touch the ROM unless a friend of mine has tried it and shown me that it's great.

2) They want to be the first - This mainly only happens when a device is really new and people want to become the first to make a custom ROM/kernel etc. just to gain a few thanks. Therefore they will throw it together quickly just to get their name out there.

3) Being new - This covers the majority of the unfinished ROM threads that I see. The member is fairly new to XDA and because of the fact they haven't spent enough time looking around XDA first, they don't know what level of assistance "noobs" need, exactly what information should be in the OP and how it should look on the presentation side of things.

I actually had a little moan about this same topic a couple of days ago and said that if I was ever to release a ROM/kernel/mod/anything, I'd make sure that all the information needed was there. There'd be an FAQ kept up to date, a support thread which I'd maintain aswell and I'd make sure even the layout looked great before posting it.

I don't think forcing people to do that is the answer though.
[About XDA developers] efs12:
You'll never catch 100% of the problems or questions, that's clear.

But a short example:

I had CM7 on my desire. i wanted to try jb with cm10-base. after hours of reading posts i decided to use a paranoid:cm hybrid rom. int2ext4+ was recommended. the first post covered all of my questions regarding installation. in the whole posts, every possible script was mentioned and most of them seemed to work. After 2 weeks i wanted to try vj's cm10, because paranoid was to much for me. A2sd was mentioned. i thought hy, new rom, same hboot, int2ext4+ i've already downloaded, why i should not use. it also worked on the hybrid-rom, partly same base, so it should work. the same i did with gapps. what happened? int2etx4+ is not working with vj's cm10 rom. my used gapps also did not work. The first post was only: full wipe, install rom, install gapps, a2sd.

After a lot of boot-loops and other problems, i found out, that int2ext4+ is not working with this rom. I also didn't know how to activate a2sd, cause i never needed it. Both problem were mentioned on a page between 20 and 25. I had this thread opened 5 times while i tried to install this rom the 5th time, to see all necessary information for me. It's hard to read the threads thousands of times. I do it. But i think, and what i've seen, and what some of you point out: A lot of people are using the easy way. don't read, ask.

If the first post would contain information like:

use a2sd, it's tested and works.

installation instructions

int2ext4+ not tested / not working;

gapps: this version, or this, no other.

everything had been clear to me.

You may not forget: Here are thousands of creative heads and genius devs making scripts and software bundles for specific devices/roms. But it's not clear if they are working on old devices like htc desire. E.g. gapps 4.2: some of the files are working on my rom. other packages with aroma installer won't work.

if dev/rom-maker posts: xx is working, then it's working. if someone tries another package, he is alpha-tester and can add a comment, if it's working or not.

sorry, was a long example :o
[About XDA developers] efs12:
as seen on the reactions to my basic post bout the 10-posts-rule and your post here, it seems to me that xda has a basic problem: who are you.

1) most of the guys are really great. so is it really a teenage-fight who is the first? is it not: who has the first STABLE rom? i'm not interested in a rom, which is the first. it should be stable (and i'm using cm-nightlies since 2 years, but they are stable for me)

2) same as 1)

3) harder rules

On the one hand side, you're a dev-forum. that's maybe true. but surf around. there are lots of forums trying to help people. but if there's really a big problem, you can find the first link within 40 posts pointing to xda. New features, like 4.2 keyboard, who has it first? XDA-devs.

You can now decide to go back to your roots and be a dev-forum. imo it's not possible. u r 2 big, 2 good, 2 innovative. like a big bank: u r system-relevant

Split xda in dev and user-part: where is the border and who draws the border? FAQs, Basics, thousands of rules and so on, never solve a problem and are nonsense if noboby executes them.

Be xda -devs like now, feel well with your new role as dev and user-forum, but set up some new rules, to help both parts.

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I know that, but I think, if you read my posts, this was not my intention while posting here :p

and if there had been no basic discussion, which was interesting for me, i had nothing 2 answer. it seems, xda waited 4 me :D
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
The issue with the idea about requiring devs to cover apps2sd is that this kind of thing is very specific to the device.

Apps2sd is dead as far as I was aware until you mentioned it - no device after the introduction of sensible /data partitions has used it as there's no need...

A rule requiring this would be poor as it wouldn't be relevant to most devices.

The issue with new rules is they need to cover the whole site. That isn't really practical to do. Also, what I put in my OP is really up to me. It doesn't feel right to be told what I must write and clog up my thread with... I have no problem telling illiterate idiots who can't search where to go to... :p
[About XDA developers] efs12:
Do devs/rom-makers know that? Is it possible to tell forum-mods to keep an eye on that if necessary?

Perhaps it's dead, but it's working on an over 2 year old phone :D

i don't want to tell everyone what he has to post or not. it seems to me, that it is too device-specific. but in my case it would make sense. imo it would be a great deal if everything is mentioned. not every dev or rom-maker is online every day.
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
Suggestion:

Is there some way to warn people (newbies as well as ancient users) that they are quoting the entire message? For some reason, some people are too lazy to edit the quoted text to ONLY include what they are replying to. If the original was 4 lines, it's not a problem. When the original was 50 lines of text and 20 images, it's a HUGE problem. (I was tethering a simple 3G/UMTS connection for a while today and it was painful.)

Here's a simple solution (though it's probably a PITA in the board code): When submitting a quote-reply, the board regenerates the QUOTE again and if that entire string exists in the reply, it would indicate an unedited quote so the reply should be rejected (with an appropriate warning.)

This would force everyone to at least make a single edit in the quoted text. If they still quote an entire large post, allow a moderator to intervene (spamming rule.)

I can think of a few times this might be overkill... but the user can easily add a space or delete a period or something to bypass the check.

Gary
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Wouldn't it be better to attempt to detect long quotes by character count, and display an ajax warning about this?

I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea of having users edit the quote to be able to make a post, as that will adversely affect everyone using the quote button several times per day.

Perhaps if number of characters in a quote is over 400, and is less than or equal to that of the quoted post, not in a quote box, alert the user... But you need to allow more for people like me who reply inline using colours :)
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
It all new users started like this, there would be less spam on XDA

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[About XDA developers] garyd9:
PLEASE EDIT QUOTED TEXT FOR CONTENT

This wouldn't detect the case of the OP being a dozen images. Actually, image LINKS.

Honestly, I don't think people intentionally quote those huge things. Some are just lazy. Others might not realize that they are quoting so much (as a linked image doesn't show as an image when typing a quoted reply - only as an image tag)

Perhaps it could be dealt with in an easier way: When replying to something with a quote, and the quote contains more than XXX characters (XXX determined by admin) and/or contains any type of tag that embeds something else (like the image tag), the text "PLEASE EDIT QUOTED TEXT FOR CONTENT" + 2 line breaks is inserted in the message directly before the quote tag.

If that "PLEASE EDIT QUOTED..." message is in a reply posted, everyone will know the poster was lazy. If it's not, but there's still a huge quoted message, then perhaps the poster actually wanted to quote everything.

Gary
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
Perhaps it may be a better idea to spread out the first post to more posts, than do a host of code changes and enforce everyone to edit quotes...

Not sure how feasible it would be to do the other option...

Granted, distribtuing the long first post onto, say, 5 or maybe 7 posts may be percieved as thanks whoring by some, but if you want to cut down on people quoting one large post, just feed them 5 small posts to quote...

That way, even the lazy can atleast quote a specific post...

I'm a fan of big posts and pm's, don't get me wrong on that...

(Infact, I myself found out that there's a 30,000 character limit on posts and 15,000 character limit on pm's)

Its just that, having the OP spread out looks much more organized than everything crammed into one...

Also, in a LOT of dev threads, when people say "Read the first post", they mean the first page rather than specifically the first post...

Its common practice to "reserve" the first 4 posts in dev threads (even when it maybe completely unnecessary)
[About XDA developers] SXUsr:
Hi.

This kind of defies how a lot of new members see the site though and imho I think XDA Management's failure to see that is an issue that needs to be looked at with a new perspective in regards to what XDA has become. Or the site stick's a bit more strictly to your statement and implements a registration process that's designed to attract the right kind of member, that way we might not see the Q&A and General sections of specific devices clogged up with threads asking for the same or highly similar information that's either in the stickys that haven't first been read or their answer is in a thread or two below, which would in turn free up more space for more device specific and Original Development forums.

I also think a few more device specific Mods wouldn't go a miss, who can actually dedicate a certain amount of time per day to organize the forums, there's many threads that could easily be consolidated into an existing thread or one of the stickys, making it easier for noobs and old members alike to find certain information, and again would go to freeing up server space.

A more plausible suggestion however, has the Management thought about implementing Text Donating?, which could also generate a bit of revenue for the site. :)
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Hi,

In terms of maintaining stickies, while some mods might do that (I used to), generally users do that with out blessing and assistance, and we'll stick them. The reason for this is that the majority of mods don't own the particular device (ie. I have a Note 2 now, but that's my only phone yet I could need to deal with something in any forum).

Server space isn't too much of an issue in that respect, there's more posts than the majority of other forums on here, so that's taken care of - it's more just a case of helping people find things - that's our #1 goal. That's why XDA-U is coming :)

Regarding text donating, that would be very country specific, and those kinds of phone numbers are not always viewed in a positive light. I for one would love to see them outlawed, full stop. IIRC Jellybean 4.2 actually has a blacklist to warn you about this if you try to text one of those numbers... They're not always used ethically, and it's important to ensure that XDA isn't associated with such behaviour. We'd rather that people donating do so knowing what they are doing, than people trying to SMS "us" donations from others' phones...

Also, it's quite complex to set up technically, across multiple countries.

RE the general and Q&A forums, this site was always a highly technical site. With android came the end of that. If users remain within their sections and don't cause an issue, they're welcome here to ask questions and read and learn. Most people learn best by asking things. The problem is when people don't search, or search and only get hits of people asking the same question and being told to search...

Bear in mind that most people likely find XDA via google... Thus by definition have actually searched to get here.
[About XDA developers] SXUsr:
Maintaining doesn't need to focus on the keeping the stickys up to date, as you say the users that create them generally do a good job but if there are numerous threads of the same/highly similar content then they could easily be consolidated in to one thread, makes more sense imo, and what was my point about the Mods, there isn't enough to Moderate the forum properly, especially device specific Mods which obviously makes it difficult to keep forums organised.

If server space isn't an issue then there's really no excuse imo for having so many forum sections that host different devices. It's highly frustrating for me as a site user to find the Xperia Ray has one sole section to contain the main four, General, Q&A, Development and theming. XDA-U sounds interesting but I really don't see why XDA Developers as it is couldn't just sway in that direction anyway, why does it need to be an addition, what else are you going to find there that you can't find here already? It doesn't seem to be addressing any of the existing issues or providing anything more of real significance?

And that needs addressing, and tbh would be quite easy to return it to it's original intentions, but that would take the will of whomever is responsible for the running of the site.

I've learned by searching, reading, and practising but it seems the point of doing that isn't being made clearly enough in the registration process, name me any popular device on XDA and 9 times out of 10 I'll be able to find how to root, unlock or theme it using google or general browsing of the Phones forum doing the exact same thing I did as a noob so there's really no reason why anyone else can't either.

Or they find it through one of the many other different forums on the internet that 99% of the time usually link back to here because it's where the -insert mod- originated from.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
ok, cleaned thread. Let's only have serious feedback/recommendations from now on

Thanks