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[About XDA developers] Pkt_Lnt:
I'm Linux and Chrome with the 2015 dark theme as well. For some reason the gear is gone. The link Mike posted works however. I got ghosts in the machine I guess? :cyclops:
[About XDA developers] the_scotsman:
Forum view, not thread view :p

And it's only appearing next to the search box at the top of the page, not the one in the sidebar.

Just to make things difficult :silly:
[About XDA developers] Pkt_Lnt:
Well my reply was dumb. ;) I just saw the search bar next to your post and hit the screenshot. Duh!

Ok, found it in the forum search at the top, thanks!
[About XDA developers] DiamondJohn:
Admittedly I haven't done a search for it:o, however, the following post on another thread from someone I guess is a moderator makes me guess it isn't available, or at least not well known. I posted a link to the Amazon app store, which I thought would of been ok, but obviously not:o

Is there a list or something of sites / links that are frowned on for including in posts?

A PM seems a bit of a burden on mods, if it was done by each member individually.
[About XDA developers] Droidriven:
True

But I think you had posted a link to Aptoide(this is not the Amazon app store by the way), which is considered warez here, I don't think the Amazon app store is an issue
[About XDA developers] deathnotice01:
my opinion is simply this,

just leave 1 OT thread for every device and sticky it,

i know XDA's existence is not for OT but i mean c'mon at least people can have a general chitchat about non-android related stuff,

1 thread about OT really won't butthurt and annoy anyone (except for the unusual flaming and bickering part) but the way i see it it's no harm to XDA's goals and objectives.

in order to maintain peace and order we require balance,

yes, we do have a OT sub-forum in XDA General,

but the scope is XDA-wide not device specific,

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i don't find the OT sub-forum for each device feasible,

we might see moare "bestestest romz evah", "Heelo, I'm ____", "Bye! I shallllt misses you all" threads per day which would implode XDA's servers with more useless stuff
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
If it is ot, then by definition it is not device specific... your statement contradicts itself.

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
One day i will donate.

It has not happened in my forum..yet...guess convincing broncogr or bribing is the only way for HTC guys.

The manner in which you guys administer things/xda/rules/guidelines for mods/etc is being perceived as inconsistency by the us/users sometimes, and you can't blame us for that.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
No one is asking you to but thank you anyways...

/sights....

Sorry but this does not answer my question. You are simply throwing out a general statement based on views of others without any real backing of it...
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
Can we please stop debating(or whatever you want to call it) over the "inconsistency" in moderation? With a huge site that has more than 4M members, shouldn't a small bit of inconsistency be ignored?

We are all humans after all, we can make mistakes.We think differently and we come from different backgrounds.

I know you are all talking to the MC members and admins here but I have been following the thread closely for sometime and couldn't resist posting

"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -Gertrude Stein
[About XDA developers] Sleepy!:
Imma get back to you soon.

But one thing I do want to say right now is, way to be the Member Advocate Admin by trolling the members... :p

Don't get angry... I'll elaborate when I can get free...

@TonyStark... Thank you... for being the neutral Switzerland in this World War... :cool:

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It's not about the "inconsistent" modding for me, Prawn... it's about the deteriorating user and dev experience...

XDA forums have less dev or even superuser articles than the xda wiki... or maybe even xda uni... not checked that one out, though...
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Sorry, but i still feel it's because of the way you guys run things here, the lack of transparency (maybe for a valid reason?).

/pass the baton to others.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Come again? I am not trolling him... The statement is itself contradictory in nature. Something that is Off Topic is something that is NOT related to the medium where it is being discussed. So, saying "device specific OT" is a contradiction because if it is about or related to the device, then it is not off topic...

As for your little "way to be the Member Advocate Admin... ", I strongly suggest that you find out why I have that title before making those comments...
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Here. I think you hit the jackpot. Most users understand that things (probably) have to be run on a particular way, but as it doesn't make sense to them from their point of view, they would like to know WHY. Being part of this community for a while and caring about it, don't you guys think they deserve to know?

On this note I'd like to thank every mod (the authorities) that participate and take their time to talk to the users. The worst thing for me on xda has always been "just deal with it" without an explanation.

Sent from my fridge. Make:LG Model:N4
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
transparency? Now you are getting into rule creation and policy making... you are no longer talking about moderation being inconsistent...

" but i still feel it's because of the way you guys run things here"

And how exactly do we run things around here?
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
It's a DEVELOPER'S Community. I think the distinction is important, and makes a difference. Developers, in general, are anti-social and don't "chat" much about random things. We spend entirely too much time hiding in closets (or other dark spaces) with one or more keyboards and one or more displays. If you see a "developer" socializing, they are probably just humoring you. (And before anyone complains, I'm describing myself as well.) If you go hang out in a dev related IRC channel, you'll notice that most of the people BS'ing are the non-devs.

Why does that matter? Because XDA isn't as much a "developers" community anymore. Sure, it's still a dev forum, but not like it used to be. I'm not saying it's a bad thing (or a good thing), but it is a fact. Before we (all of us - myself included) keep going on with the subject of OT threads, I think its important to figure out what kind of person XDA should attract.

Keep in mind that if the balance is too far away from the developers, it takes away XDA's current primary draw. John Doe User is here to "leech kewl ROMz" from the developers. If those developers go elsewhere, John Doe User will as well. I somehow doubt that John Doe User will stick around without "kewl ROMz" even if there are endless OT threads.

As for why the developers are here... well, I honestly have no idea why some of the devs are here. In my case, it's sentimental value and to try to find the sharing of ideas with other developers. I'm also spending time trying to figure out how to communicate my skills to newer potential developers. I'm sure other devs have other reasons for being here... and some might not even know WHY they are here.

So, perhaps it might be a good idea to define XDA-Developers. Not with a post from 2006 or 2008. They are out of date and ignored. It's comical to see a mods/admins with sigs containing links to those threads talking about "it's a dev site first" when the post above that sig is saying nearly the opposite.

Some interesting questions might be:

What is "xda-developers" TODAY? (reality) -- this has to be an honest evaluation.

What is the consensus among the admin's on what xda-developers SHOULD BE today? (goal)

I think it might be interesting to see that type of discussion at least semi-publicly. I'd be really interested in seeing what other people feel the delta is.

Take care

Gary
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
That's an unfair challenge. If the examples have been reported but not acted on, then it falls in "unactioned items" mentioned in the quote, but if it hasn't been reported then the reasoning is that it flew under the radar.

What would be valid examples? I'd like to take up this challenge. ;) (only because it's very hard for me to ignore any challenge...)
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Yup, i have a tendency to ask the 'why? question' for a change that has been brought about...like the removal of thanks button from OT. I ask 'why' not because I want to criticise or retort but to know the reason(something that has logic behind it) behind it so i can reason back.
[About XDA developers] Sleepy!:
I said don't get angry.

You accused me of being an RC who'd been stripped of his RC-ship without provocation... I' said I'll talk in a few hours. Please wait.

I'll elaborate l8r..... sry... gotta go... on call... :o
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
I think I should have made it more clear that that was a general comment and not directed at you. I only replied to your "RC" comment, but it was not directed towards you. However, I have seen countless RC's with stripped titles for going off the handle so the reasoning behind it still stands.

Edit: and I am not angry... trust me. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry :p
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
How is it unfair? You (along with others on this thread) are blaming us for being inconsistent, so I can only hope that you have very solid evidence of it being the case. One off situations are not acceptable as examples because as I stated, it is possible that something has flown under the radar. What an acceptable example would be (for example):

* A moderator sanctioning a thread full of warez;

* Commercial spamming being left alone;

* Linking to pay-per-click things like ad-fly, etc and those being left alone purposely;

You get the idea... things that are ok'ed by mods that are directly against the rules.
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
Well, my points of inconsistency are both for inconsistency with the letter of the rules AND inconsistency with each other... (one mod allows something that another doesn't)

Okay, so inconsistent with the letter of the rules? (As opposed to two moderators/mod teams being inconsistent with each other?)

Would a moderator reply in a thread be sufficient to imply that a moderator sanctioned the thread?

At what point, in this challenge, can I determine an item qualifies? Obviously, I have no way to know if there's an open report for an item (although there are many I opened and never got a notice that they were closed.)

For example, can I point out the hundreds of direct links to sammobile download threads (which require registration) and moderator has replied to the thread after the offending links?

How about those sammobile threads where TWO threads were opened for some thing, but a non-sammobile one was closed and the sammobile one was left open? That kind of implies that the moderator is endorsing those registration required links, right?

(Sorry... I was trying to push the thread to a more generic subject, but then you offered a challenge and... well... you found a weakness of mine...)
[About XDA developers] TonyStark R.I.P.:
@egzthunder1

My belief is, 75-80% of the users here DO NOT KNOW what mods do, to become a mod.

The hecklers and naysayers are just that. Usually a group of people that have trouble with ANY authority. I feel it is ridiculous that the MOD group need defend themselves to individuals that simply haven't read, nor intend to read, the forum rules.

While I don't know you, I do know many mods, and I am aware of what the mod group faces on a daily basis. For this, I
[About XDA developers] Dr.8820:
I would like to apologize for replying to this thread....I read the title of ALL members responding, but this entire thread is about a few people...so I'll take my request for a true Nokia Lumia 810 section back until whatever it is being discussed for 15 pages is done....thanks anyways.

Sent from the fetal position using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
As one who is debating loads here (and I'm not really a mod), I can say that this statement is inaccurate. Read on...

Please go back and read post... umm.. #2 in this thread. THAT's where the idea came from.

The people who matter ARE, in fact, reading this thread. I feel as if they ARE considering the posts here.

I thought there was a post earlier from the admin that said one OT thread per device would be allowed. I might have misread that.

Please read my post a few before this one asking "what is XDA?" Keep in mind that the "community" exists because of the development - not the other way around. Yes, there should be a middle ground (and I don't know what it is) but if the primary focus becomes a "friendly place to hang out", then the development will taper off, and so will the user-base.

Take care

Gary

Edit: As for the debating... if I didn't feel that it was doing some good, I wouldn't waste my time with it. I'm dumping a lot of time in this thread because it is debate and not being ignored.
[About XDA developers] DiamondJohn:
And thats where the confusion entered, the link to Aptoide was a previous post, and was discussed, whereas your comment quoted above was following a link to Amazon's app store, which I had made specifically as an alternate / replacement for the suggestion of aptoide. where I explicitly posted "I guess another one (never tried it myself) would be http://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/get/android" The fact I called it "another one" (as in not the same) would of clearly shown I understood it is a different one to Aptoide.:confused:

And just to be clear, my question still remains if there is a list somewhere other than PM'ing a moderator of frowned upon links/host?
[About XDA developers] Ibuprophen:
[MENTION=5417899]DiamondJohn[/MENTION], This is a very good question indeed! :)

I agree that there's the obvious no-no sites but, there's sites that are not necessarily obvious to many members (even some experienced ones).

This looks like something that would require the guidance of one of the Administrators like [MENTION=335322]MikeChannon[/MENTION], [MENTION=5606060]The Scotsman[/MENTION] or even the "Great and Powerful Oz" himself [MENTION=2235607]svetius[/MENTION]? :D

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[About XDA developers] DiamondJohn:
Yeah, I have used it a while, and I had no-idea Aptoide had warez on it:eek: I think I only use it to get early access to free apps I originally downloaded from the Play store. I think I even got an early release of Google's Youtube from it the other day.

Some ideas I though of were:

Sites by the known name, without the actual URL

A list as above, but maybe even slightly misspelt (to make it harder to accidentally search for it and thereby click/access them, less "advertising" for them):rolleyes:

A list that could be requested on an XDA site web-form, to be sent via PM ie not a manual request to a Mod, but something automated

Maybe even have the list or a link to the list sent as part of the welcome PM

A list at some other hosting site (such as www.hastebin.com) that could be found/reached if a reasonable search term was entered into a search engine

The above is not an exhaustive list of ideas by any means, its simply a list that came to at this very moment as I typed.
[About XDA developers] Ibuprophen:
[MENTION=5417899]DiamondJohn[/MENTION], I didn't even know what Aptoide was considered a Warez website but, I've rarely gone to that website (and I can't remember the last time I did).

When it comes to determining a website as Warez is actually not as easy as just the format of how the URL is used because even Device Manufacturers that are located within other countries sometimes, to me, can have an unconventional format to their URL.

One example is...

Let's say Apps/Apk's...

When it comes to alternative websites for apps I personally could think of one way off hand of determining if a website is Warez. Simply put, if it offers Paid, Unlocked, Cracked, etc... Apps that's reflected on the Google Play Store as a Paid app.

That's only one way and I know that they're other ways in determining this as well but, I know that other Warez sites exist that I may not be aware of as well.

I hope i had explained this correctly via text... :D

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[About XDA developers] DiamondJohn:
I don't use the website. I have a store app that goes directly to that now known warez market, which appears to look very similar to the Play store (obviously by design) and even includes some google apps. Although I now question these apps validity of not containing any malicious code:mad: Interesting that they have their special stamp of approval verifying the app as not containing any malicious code, like you could trust a site of ill repute (now that I know)

As I said above, I don't use a URL, I have an app for that specific market, just like I do for the Playstore. ie there is no visible URL.

That also would not work, completely. I know of an Opensource app (ie. source on github), available as a paid app on the Play market, that is also hosted within F-Droid. Now to be clear, this one app is renamed within F-Droid, but it contains all the "pro features" of the paid app on Google Play. I have only come across this one app accidentally, and with an actual search I think there would be a case or cases where the name hasn't been changed.:confused: I actually searched explicitly for another known paid app, out of interest, and found it, with a different user to that in Google Play, with an avatar of a skull.... a little embarrassing now that I think of not knowing... but I never used it to gain access to paid apps, I first installed it years ago for access to some specific app, which I cant recall now, and the pre-updates are not required, and a little concerning now I think of it, so, goodbye!

Basically, some kind of list would of been helpful to both you and me;)
[About XDA developers] the_scotsman:
Having a list would be infinitely impossible. How many hundreds/thousands/tens of thousands of websites are there that cover the area of app downloads?

It's common sense really. Any website or app that allows downloading of paid/full version apps for free isn't allowed here.

If you post one here, and you genuinely aren't aware that it's a warez website, it will usually be obvious to us, and we normally won't take any further action.

We've been in the game a long time, and we can tell when someone is deliberately posting or discussing warez, or trying to pull a fast one. And we know when someone innocently isn't aware that they're discussing a website or app that isn't allowed to be discussed here.
[About XDA developers] Droidriven:
As far as websites go, I wasn't referring to a list of warez sites, I was referring to a list of the shady upload sites that get linked here for downloads that are known for malware and viruses. I remember a list that the Mod team used for a reference of known risky/shady sites, such as mediafire(at one point, I don't know about now), or Dev-host also, I remember Dev-host being ok but then, at some point, it was added to a list of sites to avoid.
[About XDA developers] Ibuprophen:
I'm just curious if shady/warez, URL's determined to be bad/banned by the individual Moderators, the Lead Moderator, a Committee or an Administrator?

I would only guess that some type of Team/Committee would make an ultimate determination every so often regarding them submitted by Moderators and even members alike.

To have it determined only by a single Moderator could result in one Moderator allowing while another Moderator not allowing that may result in a unique type of conflict/contradiction.

I'm just asking out of curiosity and a suggestion.

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[About XDA developers] :
HI! :)

There's no black and white rule here. It's all based on xda's rules in general.

Does a site have paid apps for free? Bad!

Does a site require registration to get a file? Bad!

Does a site make you jump through all sorts of hoops and popups and surveys? (in other words it's geared towards income earning for the host, in an obnoxious and possibly malicious way.) Bad!

Does a site charge for a free file? Bad!

Is a site littered with illegal or offensive material? Bad!

Pay per click or revenue generating links of some sort? Bad!

Again, does a site offer paid apps for free? Very bad! This is very important to xda. Cause xda is a site for developers, and sites that promote or offer ways to steal from developers is bad bad bad! ;)

Disclaimer : Like most things in life, this can become a grey area. Some sites are borderline, and are looked at case by case. And the Mods, human Mods anyway, may not always be consistent with this, cause it's not always clear that a site is ok or bad. So it's a judgement call in many cases. Yes, some sites are a no-brainer, and obviously ok or bad, but also too, sites can change and become good or bad over time. *cough, dev-host, cough*

Hope that helped clear things up. Wait, I said nothing clearly. :eek:

*runs*

P. S. Yes, when in doubt, these issues are usually discussed by a team of Moderators before acting.
[About XDA developers] Ibuprophen:
Thank you very much for your clarification [MENTION=4036181]Darth[/MENTION]! :)

This is exactly what I was thinking about and I didn't want to "Assume" anything regarding what goes on "Behind the Scenes" of XDA. :eek:

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[About XDA developers] bobby janow:
Has this ever been resolved?
[About XDA developers] woodman:
Are you talking about using any mobile app or XDA website? And do you refer to participated threads list?

There's nothing to be resolved btw or I don't understand your request.

If you are talking about "participated threads" list, it's not planned by xda to be able to delete threads from this list.
[About XDA developers] :
This ^

That's why there is a subscription tab/system, where we can control exactly what we follow or don't. :)
[About XDA developers] bobby janow:
Mobile app. The poster asked if there was a way to delete some threads from showing up on the participated list since they were from times past and no longer interested in them. I didn't see an answer but from your reply I'm assuming that there is no way to do that either currently or in the future.
[About XDA developers] woodman:
Correct, not planned on mobile apps or even on the website.
[About XDA developers] :
See my post above. There would be no point in basically making the participation list exactly like the subscription list. :cowboy:
[About XDA developers] Primokorn:
What about a new icon in usercp to mark a thread as read without having to open it?

Sometimes I just monitor the title of a thread. I don't need to read all posts.

Cheers!

Note: Since I'm a good guy I created a beautiful picture :)
[About XDA developers] mdxdave:
Actually the U12+ has a 3420mAh battery :)
[About XDA developers] Adromir:
I have a question, would it be possible to add an oculus go forum? The device seems pretty promising and as it runs on Android I think it deserves its place on xda
[About XDA developers] PG101:
Fixed.