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[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
I think this is noone's fault, since noone can see the future.

Nexus were never hot sellers and El Goog couldn't possibly predict such a demand. All the Nexus phones together barely moved the needle in the giant see of the android devices.

This phone has a lot of weak points google is fully aware of. Like a lack of LTE, no SD card, not really mind blowing battery life, no retail presence, almost no advertising and a very high price (compared to the $99 fantasy prices yanks are used to). LG is hardly a start manufacturer. There are no killer features, nothing really setting this thing apart. The market is currently saturated with new shiny things like WP8 and iP5. Who knows if fanboys will stick around or go jump on new toys?

A product launch is always a decision of "when do we stop producing for warehouses and start selling". I suppose they thought, those 200k or so devices should be enough to cover initial demand. They probably thought this will last till christmas. And mind you - this decision was done not yesterday, it was done several months ago. So a preorder would not help at all since noone will be willing to pay the money for something unknown and then wait for 2-3 months.

As for the marketing conspiracy, I think it would be a genuinely stupid idea. Such a hype won't last long, it will be completely forgotten in 3 weeks. So, you either magically manufacture plenty of fresh stock in a week or two (unrealistic) or your new "hype" just went down the toilet.
[Nexus 4 General] :
The way I see it, they are selling a product. If you don't like their means, you don't buy it. This whole concept of hating on them or just complaining about them seems rather pointless. Refusing to buy their product is the best protest you can possibly do. For whatever reason they could not satisfy the demand, so they will pay the cost in lost sales. That's how this is supposed to work.

Now of course everyone who wasn't able to get one will be pissed, and understandably so. I just mean to say that you shouldn't waste your time complaining about it, it just won't help you in any way.
[Nexus 4 General] Ston5:
Is it sarcasm or are you serious? Google is making billions of $ by basically predicting stuff. This + the fact that they are one of the biggest tech companies in the world and still had technical problems the whole day long is pretty embarrassing and someone should face consequences for this PR disaster.
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
I am dead serious.

You basically say, google has a time machine at their disposition and just forgot to use it :)

Nothing suggested any rate of success. There were no reviews, no feedback at the time of the decision (somewhere mid-end of the summer). Even all the later reviews were/are mixed at best, "meh, no LTE, no SD, only 16Gb, runs hot, performance does not trounce iphone5, still lags sometimes, camera is not stellar, blacks are not black and colours washed out etc etc".

So, why should it be a hot seller?
[Nexus 4 General] mrbkkt1:
Sorry I agree with ston5

I would think that Google would be a little more in touch with the tech "pulse ' especially with their own analytics of seeing how many people googled nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] Ston5:
If Google, or any other major company for that matter, would really base their supply around such metrics they would be out of business by tomorrow. Google gathers enough data about all of us to make an educated guess about the upcoming demand. Oh and for the reviews, the general public couldn't care less about those reviews, especially with this price tag.
[Nexus 4 General] poid:
if they watched what people were saying beforehand then this definitely would have caught them by surprise.

Think about all the XDA threads over the past few weeks. Most were complaints about no LTE, too little storage, glass back etc etc. Most people questioned who on earth would want a phone with 8gb storage. The comments to reviews werent overwhelmingly positive, and had the same complaints.

It didnt look like demand was much greater than for previous Nexus launches to be honest. It was only when the first sales in Australia opened that I realised these things were selling and selling fast, and i made a snap decision to buy then and there...i was originally going to wait and see!

Google got caught with their pants down. I really think its as simple as that.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisomnia1:
They can't open up sales again for a bit too. Don't want to blow their cover. I was thinking the same thing as op. Actually called support because my order was cancelled due to a po box being a ship address (can't ship to that i guess). It didn't even ask me though, just cancelled it. I asked support about why they sold out so fast and how many (approx.) they sold. I was suspicious also,

Still f5ing.
[Nexus 4 General] dyslexicpenguin:
If they had limited the sales to one phone per person/transaction it would have made this whole situation a lot better. How many people out there bought 5 phones and immediately are throwing them up on ebay for 200$ above the Play store price? A lot, would be my guess. That irritates me more than anything. The 30 minute early launch is annoying. The lack of pre-orders is annoying. The utter craptastic performance of the store was annoying. Getting a 16GB in my cart FIVE times, and losing it to errors was REALLY annoying. But, knowing I'm having to wait who knows how long for them to get more stock, while some douchebag is putting up 4 or 5 phones on ebay for 200$ profit makes me livid.
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
Yes. Being curious (googling for something) does not mean actually buying. Just look Lumia, tons of hype and excitement and not much material afterwards. People can google and then think "meh", no LTE/SD/AMOLED/whatever - not interested.

Plus, there were no people googling for nexus4 at the time of the decision (months ago) simply because nexus4 was not out in the wild yet.

I suppose el goog has now very serious problem on its hands, since nobody hoards hunderds of thousands chips/displays/camera modules/etc and nobody is letting their fabs idle.

And the christmas season is right around the corner, so it is even harder to find components and manufacturing capacities.

And besides, LG doesn't want nexus to overshadow their own OptimusG. So they won't go out of their way, this is for sure.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
I don't know, as this launch proved, word of mouth/post is powerful. If LG intentionally holds back on Google, they definitely won't get another Nexus contract, and then you'll have every Android enthusiast telling their friends to never buy LG.
[Nexus 4 General] shadehh:
LG is stupid, seriously. Did they really think that they can create a phone with nearly identical specs to the nexus,add a few hundred bucks here and there, then think that they will be able to sell their optimus g which will probably get android 4.1 in 2 years if at all?

If anything LG should be thankful that they are going to have a DRASTIC increase of their phone's brand in the market share. They don't deserve the 500~600 euros earned from countries with no play store. They've yet to earn a credible position in my case. Can't even get their updates right.

With my current knowledge of LG i wouldn't buy it even if it had the best battery and hardware in the world in substitution for OS updates.
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
You will never find out.

But it is quite a possibility. And I am not sure LG would be terribly sad about this.

If you actually think about it, Google-OEM relations in reality are not something many fans imagine. It is not something like "friendship". It is a constant struggle for leverage.

And the "privilege" to produce the next Nexus is not a "no brainer" every OEM is dreaming about. It is basically a two edged sword.

At a benefit side you get some positive marketing assets among nerds like "we are the chosen ones". You also get some additional volumes to utilize their possibly idling fabs and maybe negotiate better deals with their component suppliers. Which does help the bottom line a bit. They also get technical google support in porting a new version to their platform (saves a ton of cash on internal development) and a personal access to the google development team (real human contacts could help later on if there are some problems with android5/6 etc).

On the negative side OEM basically risks competing with their own products. If Nexus remains low volume it is not a problem. If it suddenly takes off, company has a huge problem, both externally and (what is much more important) - internally.

That's why each Nexus was a bit "inferior" than the corresponding OEM's flagship. I think this is the primary reason why N4 tops out at only 16Gb and has no LTE. Optimus G needs to be clearly superrior, no?

Nexus program also binds engineering resources - not good for own products.

So, if Nexus4 sales even come close to the OptimusG, some people in LG would have a lot of explaining to do. And since the same people are involved in N4 production, they will make sure it does not happen.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Good points. I think though, that if the Nexus is such a bigger seller that it challenges the OG, it will also challenge every other manufactures phone. So while they'll hurt themselves they'll hurt everybody, and be the only manufacturer profiting of the N4.

I hate how greedy and mean spirited capitalism can be. Will they withold N4 supply to prevent undercutting demand for their own device, will they meet N4 demand to undercut their competitors? I hope they just do their best to meet the demand of the device because that's what they agreed to do in spirit when contracting with Google for the Nexus name.
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
But, but, but, but.... it has LTE! It has an SD slot! I has 32Gb flash! a 13 megapixel camera! Nothing is identical, it is a so much better phone!!!!!111!one! :)

<sarcasm>

And their UI "improvements" are so cool, otherwise why would they invest so much money in them? :)

</sarcasm>

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Allegedly there are only several nerds who do care :)

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That was their plan. And if judged by previous nexus devices it should remain in homeopathic quantities without a big impact on sales of their own allegedly so much better devices.

If this plan plays out differently, LG can change their mind. Which is probably happening right now.

And not only LG. Samsung, Sony, HTC etc would be stuck in exactly the same dilemma.
[Nexus 4 General] Zorachus:
I doubt it is some big conspiracy, to limit supply on purpose, and not get more sales.

Google is a business, they want to sell these phones. I just think they had no clue how popular it could be, worldwide. Or maybe LG, only gave a short supply to start off ? See how it sold, then ramp up production based on that ?

I am happy to see it sell out though, even though I missed it. Is good too see a Nexus device be popular, and get in the news. I mean what douche bag would buy the iPhone 5 over the Nexus 4 ?

Apple is in long term trouble. Nexus phones being better. And Samsung just killing Apple, the Galaxy SIII and Note II, are very big success.
[Nexus 4 General] Zurginator:
What likely happened is 2 months ago some exec green-lit today as a release date, with the following data points -

-Nexus One didn't sell well

-Nexus S didn't sell well

-Galaxy Nexus sold alright

-We will be able to manufacture 100k (estimate) units by that date

Their other option was to push the launch back a month or 2 to add another 100k or 200k units to the launch. Considering how fast tech moves, and that they would miss the holiday rush, and the 'meh' sales of the last few models, any exec in their right mind would have gone ahead with the launch.

Hell, for all we know, Google and LG dialed back production after the overall consensus was "No LTE? No buy". They were probably thinking lousy sales again.
[Nexus 4 General] bdithug:
Why would they release a phone that they think is going to fail?

Sorry but I have to disagree with your statement.
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
A pre-order would just mean some people might have to wait weeks or months after pre-order. The problem is Google probably didn't know how many they would have in stock until the last minute. So it would be almost impossible to have a pre-order unless they severely limited it. Then it would have worked out no different.
[Nexus 4 General] mi7chy:
Nexus 4 is the first Nexus phone that really caught my attention for the combination of running the latest JB advancements, specs, features, design and price. To an extent that can be said of the Nexus 10 too.

I would've been pissed off too if I wasted my time waiting for the digital doors to open at midnight then again later in the morning, fighting Google Play and Wallet overloaded servers to get my order to go through and in the end left empty handed. Perhaps I would've vented by imagining silly conspiracy theories to make them look bad but I didn't because I was persistent and my order for one of each (N4+bumper case and N10) went through.

It might've benefited Google's server load to split up the N4 and N10 release dates on different days but the drawback is higher shipping expense for the customer as you'll be charged shipping multiple times instead of just once for multiple units in an order.
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
For the same reason they did release all their earlier Nexuses. To have a reference device. Galaxy Nexus won't be around for eternity.

It all depends on what do you deem as "fail". They expected some moderate sales which would be a "success". It turned out they severily underestimated....
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
My pet conspiracy theory is that Google didn't bother limiting the number that people could buy so that it would sell out quicker.

After all why should they care if all the sales are to scalpers, they just get to brag that it sold out really fast. Actually they could save money if there are problems and then all those who bought 2nd-hand don't have a warranty...

Then of course there is the number of units sold (10k? 100k? 1M? I think it is on the lower end) which Google will never release (all that matters is that it sold out OK?). I have a feeling it is a laughably small number compared to an iphone or even a galaxy s launch.
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
I've come up with a new acronym.

YACTT

Yet Another Conspiracy Theory Thread.

I get the feeling I will be using it a lot over the next few weeks...
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
But of course. Both iphone and galaxy have grown their reputation and sales channels through the years of hard work.

It is not even funny to compare such a retail "orphan" as Nexus with perfectly constructed and well oiled retail industry behind iphone/galaxy.

Anyway, rumours are, that nexus4 UK stock was around 30k units. Which would put total count to something like 150k or so.

I think it would be a sane, since it is horribly expensive to produce "exclusive" batches of some 10k devices. Google would make a huge loss on each and every unit sold.
[Nexus 4 General] dc211:
Bingo. Before someone complains about "greedy people buying extra phones" think about what your saying.
[Nexus 4 General] rumthin:
Like other people have already mentioned, it's simply a matter of supply and demand, and LG just doesn't have the production capacity. Afaik, LG manufactures all of their cell phones domestically in Korea, so they aren't able to mass produce phones like Apple or Samsung, who outsource a lot of their production to places like Foxconn.

When future stock does become available, expect it to go just as quick as the launch stock.
[Nexus 4 General] derPianist:
+1 ON THIS! :)
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
You expect us to believe that what YACTT really means?
[Nexus 4 General] shadehh:
So when is the release date for stores? Has a date been mentioned? I recall reading the 19th for my country. Now I'm curious. What I'm more keen to find out is the actual price of the device
[Nexus 4 General] Zurginator:
Not "Fail"... they just weren't expecting it to be a home-run success. The previous Nexi haven't really been successes (bar maybe the GNex). The Nexus One, sales wise, WAS a failure.
[Nexus 4 General] iucidium:
A $349 quad core toting, IPS screened nexus would be a success regardless

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
I'm sure they sold tons instantly...
[Nexus 4 General] mrbkkt1:
Finally figured it out. Do a "sellout" in the play store to drive up hype for T-Mobile, so when they start selling, they have no problem selling with the $150 markup.
[Nexus 4 General] freeintruth:
I might have to disagree on this. Nexus 10 from Samsung also listed as sold out. So neither LG or Samsung should take the blame...google! you need to google how many threads were out there on N4 before the launch day
[Nexus 4 General] asphaltsally:
I talked to a guy at T-Mobile today who told me, "You're actually better off going with the Google Play Store. Even if you buy the $200 T-Mobile N4 with a 2 year contract, they still charge you another $15/mo. for 20 months so you end up paying $500 for the phone anyway." I couldn't believe he was so candid!
[Nexus 4 General] iucidium:
Error...no. T-Mobile will be the only ones left because how damn expensive they are.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] CADude:
Everything about the Nexus 4 has sounded like a PR stunt. It was found in a bar just like the iPhone 4, if you believe that, and Google allowed people to buy in bulk to get rid of stock fast and they won't even say anything about sales or existing stock.
[Nexus 4 General] mi7chy:
Silly conspiracy theories aside. Reality is it's too great of a deal to pass up. Also, it looks like those who have multiple orders are only getting one shipped while the other orders are put on backorder status so Google is trying to make it somewhat fair.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fOmey:
Hey, Just wondering where the background file is located for the extended power menu ?

I want my pop outs to be blacked out like so:

But it looks like this:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zoot1:
framework-res.apk...res>drawable-xhdpi...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] YoBob:
What are the risks behind unlocking bootloader and most importantly, what do we lose after we unlock it and lose the DRM codes? Do we lost the inability to receive official software from Sony over PC Companion?

Thanks in advance!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mirhl:
i was able to use again PC Companion, after i have relocked the bootloader (stock rom doesn't seem different)

just remember that this will wipe your data!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] YoBob:
Data as in data partition? Or internal SD too?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] mirhl:
only data

NOT sd
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] espionage724:
I realize it's a comparison between a phone and a tablet, but I really don't know which one to get at this point, so I'm hoping some people can possibly help me out :)

I was mainly interested in the Nexus 4 because of it's portability, camera (8MP), and it has cellular, which I might find useful. I haven't really messed with smaller Android devices though for too long (used 7-inch tablets), so I don't know how well I'll fair with the screen size. I also heard recently that the Nexus 4 wasn't on AOSP, and haven't really seen anything official saying it would ever be supported...

The Nexus 10 is clearly going to be a "slight" issue with portability. The camera is only 5MP, but I really don't know too much more then that (I'm sure there's other aspects to consider when comparing cameras other then megapixels). The screen size sounds amazing, and would be pretty entertaining for gaming and movies, and the resolution is even nicer. And from what I heard, this is the best device for AOSP currently :) Has no cellular however, but then again I don't think I would want to be using this thing for a phone either (perhaps I can get a hotspot?)

Hardware is another concern. If I assume right, the better the hardware, the longer the device will be supported by Google. With this in mind, the Nexus 10 would be the last device in the latest list of devices to stop receiving higher Android versions, due to the system specs (has more power to run later Android versions basically). Also, hardware determines how smoothly the device would operate as well. I'm certain that both the Nexus 4 and 10 can do the usual tasks without any issue at all, but gaming-wise, I feel the Nexus 10 would be better.

I also have a slight interest in trying to develop for Android in the future, with apps.

So basically:

Nexus 4 Benefits:

- Portability (main)

- Cellular

Disadvantages:

- No AOSP (yet anyway, if ever)

- Go out-of-date quicker

Nexus 10 Benefits:

- Hardware (main)

- AOSP

Disadvantages:

- Portability

- No Cellular (could maybe just get a hotspot though, idk)

As it stands currently, I can't really purchase either device at the moment (I don't have the funds or card from PayPal yet, Nexus 4 is out of stock, and Nexus 4 is a tiny bit more then I have in my PayPal currently). So I have a little bit before I can make a decision anyway :) Any help would be nice though.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] espionage724:
Bump
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nitemare3219:
The only thing lacking on the hardware side for the N4 is the screen resolution. If it were 1080, that would've taken the cake. Everything else about the phone is top notch, which is much more than can be said about the GNex which had weak hardware to begin with. So I don't see the N4 as going out of date anytime soon.

Honestly all it's going to come down to is one is a phone, and one is a tablet. The N4 can do pretty much everything the N10 can do, just on a smaller scale.

I have a N4 arriving tomorrow, and am considering getting the N10. The N4 will be mostly a tool for me whereas the N10 would be for entertainment and possibly productiveness (organization, notes, typing, etc.), plus the N4 could provide a hotspot for the N10. I'd be using the N10 for browsing when possible, and gaming when desired. I feel like browsing on a tablet is much better than on a 4 inch phone, but that comes at a price of at least $399 which I'm not sure I am going to be able to justify. I also may look into the whole watching TV on the tablet scene, and possibly movies, but other than those few things, I have no idea what I'd use a tablet for.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RedBlueGreen:
none because its impossible to buy :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raptir:
If you're between the 4 and the 10, why not consider the HSPA version of the Nexus 7? More portable than the 10 and has the cellular data, but still has a larger screen than the Nexus 4.