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[About XDA developers] Woody:
I know that when you are a site, like say Rootzwiki for example, and are in the middle of typing a post. If someone posts before you are done, there is a little thin black box that pops up at the top of your screen and says something like, "A Post has been made in the thread you are about to post in". That is not the exact wording but something along those lines. Not sure if it is a plug-in or what but I know that something like this does exist out there.

My example above isn't the same as what luizlee86 wants, where someone already posted the answer because you can't type fast enough. But there have been times where I was on Rootz and typing only to see that bar pop up. I pulled up another page in my browser to see what was posted and sure enough, it was the answer. So I canceled my post and went on with my reading. Not always the case, but an answer is an answer is an answer. So why post mine if it was already done?

^^^ This. The report button is far too under-utilized IMO. Yes that will create more "work" for us, but that is a fair trade off if it lessens the vigilante justice happening in the threads.

There are so many times where I am in a thread deciding whether I was to flash it or just helping out and I see flaming going on. Then inevitably, someone almost always says something like, "I wish a Mod was here. You wouldn't be talking that way." or "Just wait until a Mod get ahold of this guy."

How? If you don't report it, we won't even know it exists.

This happened last night as a matter of fact. I was in a thread reading about bugs on a ROM I had just downloaded and a guy asked it Gapps was included. The OP clearly stated that they were but then 4 or 5 people jumped on this guy about his posts from the last few days and how he needs to open his eyes. Had I not been in that thread at that time, this guy would have gotten torn apart. But yet no Report button was hit by him or anyone else.

I'd like to read every post in all the forums I Mod in, but that just isn't possible.

Agreed. 10 quality posts are not that hard to get. You can spot 10 posters pretty easily just by looking at the Q&A/General Sections. Daily I see in a device forum, someone who is racing the 4min clock/captcha to get to that elusive #10 post. Open the Q&A section and you'll see their names on nearly every thread on the front page. Kill these with fire.

So many times, the #11 posts is "Thanks" or "Great ROM" or "Some bug that has been discussed over and over on the last 10 pages".

Who you calling a Goon?:crying:
[About XDA developers] luizlee86:
Yeah, that's the point!

Someone replied me saying that the great problem would be someone answering an already-answered question after like 10 minutes or even some hours... I think that this is a problem too but IMHO it happens because some people have this "need of thanks"... but implementing that feature would help to make the threads a little bit cleaner.
[About XDA developers] cwhitney24:
Did you bother to search? Search that aokp thread. Search the q&a. Heck search Google. I'm sure that your not the only one who has had a problem. You don't need 10 posts to search, read, and learn.

Sent from the Bacon Pope's Galaxy Note 2
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Oh I could just get rid of this account right now...

You do NOT need 10 posts to figure this out. Either READ (you can read with zero posts and no account).

If you need to ask about this, YOU ASK IN THE QUESTION AND ANSWER FORUM.

Do NOT post within the development thread with your basic questions...
[About XDA developers] Sleepy!:
Wow.

10 posters on this thread... :rolleyes:

Also, just denying new members the privileges of posting in the dev section is actually a great idea.

And replying twice to the same question is needed, coz not everyone had the complete answer, or the right one.

Two replies can be helpful in such a case. :)

And yeah, OT is pretty much a spammer magnet, which is good, IMO, as spammers don't get reported often on the device fora. Almost every OT regular knows about the 10 post rule, and warns or reports spammers. Which is good.

And yes, of the 'Report' button could be made a bit more prominent on the website, and if support for reporting posts be added to Tapatalk, it'd be great. :thumbup:

Sent from my yellow submarine
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
And most of the times they get treated with fries and Chicken :rolleyes:

/sarcasm

"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -Gertrude Stein
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
probably a stupid suggestion i will make but why not have on each forum a learner's guide on how to develop roms or kernels...

i know there are already a few guides flying around in different forums but why not make it as a test run in a few of the high end devices...that way new members can read upon them and get them into developing...

that way you guys can unearth the next Chainfire or Codeworkx...in the One X forum there is already a 13 year old and the boy is a genius..but a bit of guidance from you guys with tutorials from the pros that would be beneficial for him i would say...

OT who was that little kid in the S2 forums that his mum took his phone away cause she did not allow him to root it...his name is making me scratch my head trying to remember his name:D
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
XDA-U
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
But they not really visible on the forums.
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
Then perhaps a nice post about XDA-U should be written, and made sticky (similar to the forum rules) in each device...
[About XDA developers] Jonny:
Those guides (especially the ROM guides) are not guides to become a developer, they are threads to become the next classic WinZip ROM artist. With app and kernel guides its different but its not really teaching development, its teaching how to follow instructions...
[About XDA developers] boborone:
That's like the difference between

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=667298

and

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1272270

Both stickies right next to eachother.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Then why not show new members the difference between a proper dev and a zip artist. :) we have the talent here surely someone would do a guide to show the differences.
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
I have to agree that the majority of the HOWTO style posts tend to be simple steps telling a user WHAT to do, but not mentioning WHY it's done. In part, that's because the majority of the users here on XDA really don't care "WHY" something is done - they just want instant results. Actually, most XDA users would rather have a pre-zip'd "ROM" or kernel and not have to be bothered with anything more. (I found this out when I put together a HOWTO for modifying some touchwiz stuff and people were actually offended that I wouldn't give them a nice installer pre-packaging the modifications.)

On the other hand, if someone wants to develop, they'll have that urge to ask WHY something works. Then they'll realize that they probably aren't going to get a satisfactory answer, and they'll start to dig, search, and read until they finally understand "why." Of course, that will only lead to an even greater thirst for understanding - and THAT is what makes a good developer.

...and once in a while, someone will put a considerable effort into teaching more than just steps to follow. The following "howto" (which I'm very much behind on) will bore the hell out of someone who just wants steps. Eventually, I'll have time to work on it again (and when it's done, I hope to put it on XDA-U as well.): http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1996021

When completed, I hope that'll be one of the resources people will find when they start asking "why?" As for the others - I'm sure they'll find plenty of other resources to give them instant gratification and zero knowledge.
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Any misconception previously about the "report" button, I take it back. It does work, and works well when used appropriately.

A toast from my Gnex aboard the Satisfaction!
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
I've just had a scroll through the Off-Topic forum and was greeted by a few device OT threads in there.

I know device OT threads have already been previously discussed in this thread, but is there any point of them being in Off-Topic?

Fair enough, I can understand that some moderators didn't want OT threads in the forums they control, so they were closed/deleted. But as a result of them being closed/deleted, members of those threads are deciding to open the same thread but in the off-topic forum instead.

Where does this end?

Does this mean that every single OT thread which was in a device forum and has been closed, should be created in off-topic?

Also, what's the point of these threads? While they were in the device forums, they were there for people to post random crap away from 'normal' threads and were allowed to be created because a lot of members only stay in their device section so would, therefore, not know about the off-topic forum.

Considering these threads have been removed from certain device sections, members will have to find out that the off topic forum exists, if they wish to carry on posting crap. Once they've discovered off topic, they have a multitude of threads at their disposal so wouldn't need a device specific thread.

Finally, I'm aware that in off-topic if a thread gets created when a similar one already exists, the new one gets closed.

That's the exact thing that's happening with these threads. They are extremely similar because they are simply a redesignated device OT thread. That being the case, shouldn't they all get closed down aswell?

P.S. Apologies if I've repeated myself in this post. I blame my tiredness.

"Never hit a man with glasses. Use a rock, it'll hurt more."
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Is there any reason for them not to be?

Nowhere, an off topic discussion in a device forum got moved to the Off Topic forum.

If they want to continue what they had in the device forum, yea.

Well maybe with this, they will learn of Off Topic, General, Chef Central, and the multitude of devices this place covers.

Wouldn't need it, but why stop em from having a place to goof off with people they met in their device forum?

They are all different in that they are groups of people from different devices across the forums and have similar/different interests in/from one another.

Also, last I checked. In maybe 4 pages of Off Topic, there was roughly 4 or 5 device specific off topic threads. Doesn't really seem like a problem to begin with.
[About XDA developers] hyperthrust:
It's a problem when people who from a device specific or rom specific thread try to go and set up a off topic forum in OT and other people from Ot from other threads come into that thread with bad intentions to get it shut down, insult developer and plan in there own ot thread to get it locked and openly discuss this and take pleasure in it. Even op of unnamed thread joins in on this and let's this go on in his thread. :(

That's what's wrong with OT at the moment where a group of people (and a few of them are in here) take pleasure in trolling threads in a pack to see how far they can push it without getting infractions and see if it gets the thread they target.

A) Closed

B) Locked

At the same time if someone comes to visit thier thread they just don't like it.

It's this double standards and strange attitudes I don't like seeing.

Is it a game of this inner circle or is it they want to remain at the top of OT thread so don't like the competition which would be odd if true.

I vote for device specific OT to prevent this kind of real poor vindictive attitude towards people that just want an area to go OT to the rom, kernel, device they use amongst friends and have a bit of bantar and a few laughs.
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
If this is happening then let me (or any other mod) and we'll end it. If it means removing the thread favoured by the group doing the antagonising to make a point then that's what I'll do.....

Sometimes what begins as a little light hearted trolling can be misinterpreted and it all kicks off but the OT forum is big enough for everybody.

Now can we please stop talking about off topic?? :rolleyes:

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
Not as such, but as stated further into my post, it becomes over the top if it gets to the stage where every single one is recreated in off-topic.

I never said they got moved to off topic. I'm saying that once the device specific OT thread got closed/deleted, the members are making them in off topic instead.

Making even more mess on top of what is already existent. Sounds great.

Maybe but I doubt it. Only time will tell I guess.

It's not as if that couldn't happen in one of the many off topic threads that already exist though.

So that didn't already exist in off-topic?

Take the 'What are you listening to?' thread as an example. The people who post in there all come from a range of different devices with the similar interest being their like of music.

Yeah I do agree that it's not really a problem at the moment.

"Never hit a man with glasses. Use a rock, it'll hurt more."
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
A suggestion not so much for the admin, but more for the RC's and other people who help to maintain XDA from a user point of view (RCs? Moderators? not sure..):

Most device forums already have some "index of ROMs and kernels" thread, and even a "FAQ" type thread (that lists lots of user-targeted info such as 'how to root', 'how to install recovery', etc) Those are great for the majority of users here on XDA that just want to root their phone and install some customized firmware.

What I can't seem to find are indexes of threads for development topics. I can (and do) search for these things, but as a developer I have to admit that I'd like to be as lazy as the users and find a single thread that lists some of the development "how to" threads. Some examples might be:

How to add 4-way reboot

How to recompile AOSP (nexus devices)

How to modify TW launcher for scrolling wallpaper

How to modify Sense to (fill in the blank - I'm not an HTC user)

... The items listed shouldn't point to pre-done products, but to threads that actually discuss how a person could modify things on their own. To illustrate the difference, note the following two threads:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1986968

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1573032

Both of these are for 4-way reboot menu. However, the first one is a simple download link for a precompiled android.policy.jar that contains the modification, while the second one attempts to explain how a person could do the modification themselves. In this case, the first link is NOT what I'm referring to while the second link is what I'd love to see an index for.

I think the hard part in this (beyond finding someone to maintain it/them) is to figure out where to put this thread (or these threads.) One per device would be a poor choice in my opinion, so either clumped together in logical device groups (similar to how the development discussion sections are) or even outside of any device section. Or, perhaps, both. If both, the clustered indexes would contain stuff specific to that cluster of devices, and then have a link to a more generic thread containing stuff that would reasonably apply to all (or most) devices regardless of OS overlays (such as TW, sense, blur, etc.)

Of course, these indexes could (and should) also have links to articles in XDA-U that apply.

Thoughts?

Gary
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
If threads of that kind were to be created, it may seem like a bad choice to have one per device but that would realistically be the only way to ensure as many people seen it as possible.

What do you mean by 'clumped together in logical device groups'?

Do you mean, if something relates only to the Samsung Galaxy devices, that it should be posted just in the SGS3 forum, for example, but have it is a thread available for all other Samsung Galaxy devices aswell?

As for indexing the development how to threads, I try to do that as you can see in my Nexus 4 index (link in sig), but of course I may miss some if they're posted in General rather than Development because I don't tend to look in General as much purely because of the sheer volume of new threads popping up in there all the time.

"Never hit a man with glasses. Use a rock, it'll hurt more."
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
As an example, the international SGS3 and all the NoteII variants are VERY similar, and most of what development works for any one of those will work for the rest. This similarity was used to create a single "developer discussion" section that is shared among all of those devices.

The alternative would be to have a single thread in each of the device's "android development" section, but those threads all redirect to a single thread.

I'm not sure yet how useful this type of index would be (if at all.) I suspect (but don't know) that some of the people who post these howto's would prefer if people had to actually search to find their threads to ensure at least a minimum competency level of the people replying. The fact is that some users will see such an index, follow a link, and EXPECT the OP of that linked thread to provide them a pre-made "update.zip" that will magically modify their own system to have whatever mod. That's NOT the kind of thing I'd want to encourage.
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
I'm sure such an index would be useful, as long as it was in a separate thread rather than being included in a current index thread.

The main reason being exactly what I quoted above, as I know that if I'd created a how-to I wouldn't want it to be flooded with questions which were already clearly explained in the OP either.

"Never hit a man with glasses. Use a rock, it'll hurt more."
[About XDA developers] SamReciter:
Hey guys, thanks for this awesome site.

But.. - (there is is always a but..) - you really should work on your share button(s) here in the forum.

I mean this share/like buttons on top in the different forum threads.

At least your g+ button needs some different styling. You can click the button - but the share direct functionality is not reachable, because

there seems to be some mouseover/JScript thing, that removes (visibility/display/JScript?) the frame if you move the mouse out of the button itself to reach the share form.

Greets...
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
It is technically possible for us to put in ghost threads that are actually links to one thread in another forum. So you'd click it and end up in a thread in another forum :)

Might make it simpler
[About XDA developers] Dakkaron:
Hey guys,

First off: thanks for this awsome site.

I've been passively on this site since I got my old HTC Universal and got my fixes and Roms from here. For just leaching, this forum is great. I would consider myself a rather advanced user, and for such an one its just great to get all the infos I need from here.

Now I recently got my new Droid 3 and finally signed up because I wanted to ask some question on the state of the new Minimoto-Rom-Release, and I have to say, the way you treat new users is kinda rough (and illogical at times, but I'll get to that in a second).

I was the admin for my school's website and forums for quite a while, so I do understand your general hatered for users, but how do I (who owned a computer since I was six, during my youth time fixed more computers than I can remember, manually unlocked and reflashed about every phone I owned and program in 6+ languages since 7 years) deserve to be sworn at and called a noob in your intro video?

But, well, understandable.

But now this is what was is realy puzzling me: I wanted to post the question I registered for in the Droid 3-Development-Forum, but I encountered a message roughly like this:

"You cannot post in development-forums, since only advanced users can post there, and you posted less than 10 posts anywhere else, so you clearly are not advanced."

So now I have to scan all the other forums, that I don't care for, for threads that I'm not interested in, to post 10 posts that won't do neither me nor anybody else any good.

And, how did you come up with the idea, that a noob, after spamming 10 posts, all of a sudden, becomes an 1337-h4x0r-pr0-advanced user?...

All you do with this is make people spam useless posts everywhere, like for example this one.

Please don't take this offensive, because it's not meant that way. I just wanted to give some constructive feedback.

Take care and carry on, guys!
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Ok, thanks for your constructive feedback, but alas, the 10 post rule is going to stay. Now rather than make 10 useless posts, go make 10 useful posts......... and a word of caution. I'll be watching your first 10 posts to make sure they aren't "spam"

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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] Dakkaron:
getstFR Tecpan

I've been honestly trying to find any threads I can post something constructive to. I was a forum admin once, I won't start spamming now ;)

It's just realy annoying that I can't just post where I know I can put something into.

I still wonder how posting 10 posts about BT-controllers and other stuff turns a noob into an anvanced user ;) Or is it just that you don't want to have to watch the dev-forums for trolls and spambots? Kind of concentrate the spam in regions where it can easier be controlled? ;)
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
The 10 post rule does cut down the spam in dev related forums...... so in affect, it does serve it's purpose. If these people post in OT forums, then so be it. It isn't affecting devs, and also, it is easy to spot 10 post spammers/boosters trying to get to that magic number. We can easily delete their pksts, reset their accounts and if needs be, impose further penalties, infractions, bans etc

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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] Dakkaron:
Touché. So you kind of convert all the 0-post-corpses to 10-posters and kill them off afterwards ;)

Well, it's your forum, so do what you like^^ Still a funny rule. I guess it keeps the dev-forums a bit more free of spam.

I guess, I'm off to find two more topics to post to. Have fun!
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
The reason we do it is to make it pointless to spam here. We see a few dozen posts per second. You can't manually try to prevent spam with that level of activity.

By preventing spam in the most important threads, we reduce the number of people needing things cleared up.

The combination of restrictions on posts and accounts prevents link spam, and also makes it difficult to rush through silly posts.

We don't hate users. We just hate ignorant people who join, won't read, and then ask questions already answered hundreds of times before. Once faced with the need to wait a long time between early posts, it should help encourage them to start to read and learn...
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Just popped in to leave short feedback and to say thank you. Renaming Q&A is one of the best things I've seen on xda lately. Although it just made quite a few threads out of place (mine including) :D

Good stuff, thanks. I think it helps a lot when deciding where to start a new thread which is help, guide, or troubleshooting. I also think all the guides should go in there as of now. Apart from dev guides obviously.
[About XDA developers] irony_delerium:
It would be nice if the "you can post replies here" and such actually represented the correct state - I'm told that I can post replies (but not new threads) under Win8 General, but any attempt to do so gives me the "go away" page...