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[About XDA developers] Oswald Boelcke:
Personally, very personally and not as a XDA staff member, I doubt that anything in the "audent.io app" will get fixed. But that's as said just my personal assumption. However, let's ask up in the chain of command:

@willverduzco @MikeChannon Gentlemen, good morning. Any comment?
[About XDA developers] the_scotsman:
Regarding the XDA official app issue, I'm quite sure this will be resolved. It's only a simple edit in the code, so I don't see why it won't be fixed. Just need to wait 5 minutes, until we weed through the lingering issues, given the migration only just happened 🤪
[About XDA developers] MikeChannon:
Ok, I changed it around.

Mike
[About XDA developers] Dayuser:
Yes, thank you very much (y) No it's good :)

p.s. Look like your posts is duplicate. Last quote for me was duplicate too.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Please could someone describe how to search the thread we are presently in (while using desktop web browsers) or if this is something in the process of being rectified post-migration?

For those who've noticed, pardon the mild spam as I posted this elsewhere first intending to post it here then duplicated it here.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
@sleepy,

Obviously, you missed my post here regarding the tantrum comment...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=36441883&postcount=298

It was not intended as a sling at you, it was a general statement not directed at you. I said "you" as in a general "you", not as in you you... :confused: hopefully that makes "some" sense :p

As for your comment about RC's being zip jockeys.... not true. RC's may not have a single rom out there and still be eligible for the title. RC's are individuals who contribute to the site with things other than development focused content. RC's contribute in the form of being helpful, with guides, etc. If they develop something, all the better.

Also, RD's have development projects under their belts, which RC's may/may not have. An RC could be an RD, but what you said about all RC's needing to be RD, etc etc makes absolutely no sense at all. The ONLY thing in your entire post that actually makes sense (and is not relevant to the convo we were having in the first place) is what you pointed out that Entropy said...

Lastly, ads are not driving devs away (granted, many don't like them, but most RDs have the option to turn ads off anyways or at least know how to avoid them). What truly drives devs away are the following:

* Constant and continued harassment by idiots with entitlement issues either via pm, on threads, etc; (notice I said idiots and not n00bs)

* Continued quarrels with other developers about using code that may/may not belong to them in the first place; <--- this in fact, is one of the biggest reasons why you see devs leaving. The discussions are normally not as public, but 3 out of every 4 cases that you see a dev closing all his/her threads will be because there was a complain from another dev. Moderators got involved, the issue got resolved, and the party who didn't "win" will throw a hissy fit, play victim/martyr, blame mods, and then leave (to come back with puppies or a few months later because he/she is not getting enough donations and figured that he/she needs xda for traffic).

* A set of mind that because they made something, they are above rules such as GPL as well as several others;

* Not having a place to actually talk about development (idea by gary may actually solve this);

* Getting flamed into oblivion because their rom/kernel/app/theme made Capt. Dingbat's device bootloop (user's fault for not reading installation instructions normally);

Need I continue or did I make my point across?
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Fair enough, lets do this via pm... and yes I agree with your last statement btw.
[About XDA developers] Sleepy!:
You got me all wrong. (I'm not quoting your post, but I've replied to each part of your post in points)

1. The tantrum thing... forget it...

2. I meant, make a zip jockey RC to the most, but not RD.

And I know that RCs can be anything from testers to helpers to guide makers etc... I'll PM you.

3. About the dev issue... I never meant to say that Ads are driving devs away... what I meant was that you shouldn't take ads from a company that scorns you, like Motorola has, time and again.

4. Now about Devs leaving...

My suggestions to your problems:

a. Make it so RDs only get PMs from people they're already friends with, or from mods, RCs or RDs... If a member wants to PM an RD, they'd need to be on the dev's friend list... that way, the dev can decide if they ever want get PMs from a specific person.

b. Wasn't complying to the GPL the only requirement XDA has for devs? But I'm not gonna try and continue further on this topic as I'm no developer.

c. Gary's Original Development idea is actually good... and it's working... but the Development boards need a lot of cleaning up... Let's try thinking of something for that. Perhaps an increase in the minimum posts to post in development? 10 posts is just too easy to get, IMO.

d. Getting flamed... I can think of nothing to solve this except asking a mod to ban the flamer... but that only stops a flamer once they've made some noise, it doesn't prevent them...
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
There is already a system in place for that, available to ALL members
[About XDA developers] Sleepy!:
I know... but no-one seems to be implementing it, are they?

We wouldn't have this issue if they did....

Also,

^^This. Apologies to anyone who's taken offence.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Ok! :) Now we are getting somewhere :)

btw, I didn't know we had "indent" tags.... just learned something new :p

Let me go onto your points...

a. This has been contemplated before. However, the issue is that lots of new devs don't really have status (take people making apps for instance). A lot of these people don't even have enough posts to post hyperlinks... Plus, I think that to make the pm system selective, it would need some serious overhaul. Plus, I think that it would give some big headed people a much larger head :p You also will run into issues of people getting segregated and becoming unreachable with new threads popping up all over the place stating "xyw doesn't reply to my pm!". Your pm inbox can be turned off if needed be, but as for a selective one... not sure if it is even possible. I will check though but I see more harm than good coming out of something like this...

b. Nope, that is just one of them. Plus, if your code is not GPL licensed... well, you don't need to comply with it :p Devs need to abide by all site rules as well...

c. Being discussed atm.

d. Indeed. One can only be reactive to stuff like this. However, devs can prevent getting flamed by being courteous (granted, it doesn't always work, but you get more "thank yous" with a useful post than with one acting like a complete turd :p
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
Pretty sure a in that list was already implemented, you can set it so you'll only receive PMs from people on your contacts list.
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
Two points - both feedback and a recommendation

Gary, you DO NOT need to be a developer to be a good moderator. I am not a dev. I don't pretend to be. When I need help, I seek it out. However, I do know how to guide people. That is what my primary duty is. Moderators aren't here to guide development. If it comes down to a technical dissection to decide if someone's kanging, etc. there are more than enough people on the mod teams to help ferret the information out.

Secondly, for those who are complaining about ads - install an ad blocker but at the same time, donate to XDA. You'll be supporting the site and enjoy it ad free.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Thanks... yes, just read up on that....
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
I have no friends. I don't want any friends. I'm not friendly. I wouldn't even consider being friendly. How DARE you insult me like that. (I'm joking, btw - well, about the insult part - not about the friends part.)

Oddly enough, I disagree with that. Oh, 10 posts is easy enough to get, but usually only for people who I wish weren't posting in the dev sections. The spammers have no issue with 10 posts. The serious folks go nuts trying to find 10 people to help when they are first learning themselves.

However, this got me to thinking....
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
What Gary was talking about is decisions over what constitutes development and what belongs in development sections, not regular moderation of the forum.
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
That may be your interpretation of what he was saying. Gary and I have had PM conversations you are not privvy to. And you're ignoring my point that we are teams, with different skillsets amongst us.

What has to happen here and should end this discussion (unless it fails) is that we, as teams, need to move forward and do what we're here to do. We just started this effort. We need time to make things happen. The immediacy of the discussion here is ignoring the fact that we're on the right course. Revisit the subject in a few months. If things are still not right, we'll try to adjust it even more.

Gary has had a hint of what we're up against, most of the rest of you really don't have a clue. XDA is huge, it takes time for things to trickle down....or up. . It isn't impossible, and will be made even more possible if the good members of XDA help us out. Report issues. Without snark. We will respond.
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
YES! Exactly! You aren't and you acknowledge that and you are, believe it or not, respected for that.

I really don't understand this... I'm able to turn ads off, but I leave them on for the simple reason that I believe it helps to support the site. Don't tell the advertisers, but I'm to the point now where I really don't even see them. At least XDA doesn't allow ads for porn sites.
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
xxxda-developers.com ;)
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
One request, please don't delete posts from this thread.

It makes conversation appear jumpy at times, to people who are silently reading.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
I though some of it doesn't make sense. Now I know why.

Sent from my fridge. Make:LG Model:N4
[About XDA developers] overground:
You called? :silly:
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
Okay... a serious suggestion here - but some background first (for those who aren't already familiar)

XDA recently set up the developer discussion section(s) within some devices. When it started with the Note II/SGS3 devices, a RD or ERD (not a moderator) was asked to help moderate that specific section (as an addition to - not replacement of - the normal FSM's.) In that specific case, I was the RD asked.

I don't know about the dev discussion areas I don't pay attention to, and I won't even pretend to know how the "real" moderators in those sections feel about it. From my own personal view, however, that arrangement has worked out. For me it was a bit bumpy at first - but that was because I didn't know what I was doing.

So on to the suggestion:

Can a similar arrangement be tried for the other device development sections such as "XYZ android development" and/or "XYZ original android development"?

In each case, the designated RD/ERD (who would have to be willing to do the job) could act as a sounding board for the mods, and kind of act as a consultant to the moderation team when there are questions to what is/isn't development or proper in the area. Obviously, for those devices that already have a dual RD/FSM, this wouldn't apply. Oh, and before being drafted asked to do the job, an RD's status should be reviewed to ensure they aren't one of those that might not actually meet the current RD requirements/standards. As well, the RD/ERD should actually own/use that specific device (as opposed to one of the people who zip up firmware (or compile kernels) for devices they don't own.)

There are, obviously, some potential issues with this. The first that comes to mind is a rogue RD. However, it appears that XDA already has a system in place to monitor its own mods (soft deletes, reports preserved, etc) so this might not be a big issue.

I guess the suggestion is to try and give the real moderation teams someone who they can consult with who is known to actually have the device and is known to be a developer. It would also give the developer a better feel for the moderators (and vice versa.) Speaking only for myself, I can say I have quite a bit better understanding of the BS you people (mods) have to deal with now than I did 6 months ago.

DISCLAIMER: This isn't meant to imply any shortcomings whatsoever about anyone. If anything, it implies that most (not all) of the devs have no clue the BS that the moderators have to deal with.
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
I don't understand why you felt the need to get defensive about that, I was just trying to point out something I felt you weren't completely understanding. We've already been through and ended the conversation about RDs moderating the developer forums, everyone (including Gary) seemed to agree it wouldn't work out. Saying that most of us have no clue what is going on is really not a good way to receive and discuss feedback, btw.
[About XDA developers] Sleepy!:
It was some frustrated BS I posted about Motorola ads... good riddance...

Gary's right, a spammer will spam any number of posts in order to fulfill requirements...

AND there are a lot of app developers whose first post is made to release their app or get testers, etc...

So it's understandable why the 10-post requirement can be a vexing issue...

I thought of time limits, ie "To post in the dev section, you need to have been a member for at least 1 month, and to have made 30 posts in that time"... but that also isn't practical as it doesn't encourage new developers....

I can now imagine how the mods, especially the committee and admins must feel. :eek: *bows*
[About XDA developers] the_scotsman:
Up in the top right of this or any thread page. Hit the "search this thread" button. Works for me.

What are you doing to get that error?
[About XDA developers] Oswald Boelcke:
And at the other "location" you've already got the above quoted replies.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Thanks for the follow up and thanks as well to @Oswald Boelcke here https://xdaforums.com/t/check-out-t...ink-app-rolling-out-now.4199599/post-89087893 and @It_ler here https://xdaforums.com/t/check-out-t...ink-app-rolling-out-now.4199599/post-89087900. I'm consolidating replies here.

There might be 2 issues, one regarding migration and the other regarding the XDA user-selectable templates.

1) I've been using the search thread button at the top of the thread which opens a basic search panel (see pictures below). Prior to the migration the search would be converted to wildcard and return all results until the wildcard is clicked taking user to the advanced search panel where the wildcad can be replaced with the correct search criteria which will then return appropriate non-wildcard, this-thread-only results. Whew! More about why I use this method in a moment.* Now, after the migration invoking the search from the small panel shown in the attached pictures results in the previously shared error, likewise when going to the advanced panel. That's the new behavior after the migration.

*@It_ler, thanks for sharing those screenshots. That search field has never yielded drop-down options for me in Firefox where noscript and Ublock have been eliminated as possible culprits, or in Chrome in which nothing is blocked. It's been so long since I've seen those drop-down search options, literally many years, that I forgot about them.

Forehead slap...

There is a constant which might explain this issue (although not the previous one which occurred only after the migration) and that is the fact that I may be using the XDA legacy template. I'll test (later today) to see if other templates behave differently but am still hoping that we can get the other thread search working again. Thanks again to all for the brain-bounce.

I was consolidating the replies but you beat me to it. Thanks. :D
[About XDA developers] the_scotsman:
Yep, I suspect the issue is likely on your end, possibly because of that template.

Might also be worth clearing cache/hard refresh (CTRL-F5). And test in Incognito mode.

One of your screenshots shows the URL https://xdaforums.com/search/search - this doesn't seem correct. Advanced search is https://xdaforums.com/search/ - perhaps this is why you get the error?
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
It is indeed the template, in fact 2 of them. Test of available templates yields: The "XDA App theme" (which I was using) and the "Community App Dark" theme do not offer the drop-down. Unfortunately in all themes except those 2 the thread content is crammed into a column only half the width of the display. The 2 App based themes don't include the left sidebar thereby giving the thread about 25% more screen width. Must these things - more horizontal display space for thread content [and] search drop-down - be mutually exclusive? In any event at least the cause has been found (which I should have remembered a few posts ago anyhow) but now I'm even more eager to have the other search method be restored.

Yep, that could be the issue and might be an easy fix on the server side (sez I hopefully).

Thanks again..

[EDIT] Hmm... Maybe that extra word "search" in the link is a symptom rather than cause since, in the other templates the search-thread button works as expected (something I neglected to check previously)..
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Fun with Column widths. I'm already in this rabbit hole so why not explore? :)

Regarding the # of columns in the web page and subsequently the width of the thread content, if the window (in this case Firefox on Windows 10 laptop) is not maximized then during manual resizing of the window, as the width of the window is decreased, there is a point where the left column disappears and the thread content gets almost as wide as when display is maximized.

Pics incoming

[EDIT]

Firefox Window not maximized, filling between 90-95% of screen width. Full width of display is represented by background.

Same Firefox windows made a few pixels narrower across a threshold which gets rid of left bar and makes thread content wider.
[About XDA developers] Spannaa:
It's responsive web design, adjusting the displayed content for the viewer's screen width via CSS in this case (and scripting for mobile).

You've found the transition width.
[About XDA developers] J.Michael:
Have you already selected the XDA option "wider display"?

At least at one time, there was a link at the lower left of the entire page, under the site table of contents. I think near a link to select a theme. The link only became visible after the browser window was expanded to some critical size.

I haven't looked for it recently, I don't even remember if I've looked for it since the Xenforo transition, bit I think it made my display of posts a little wider.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Yeah, I figured it was some kind of dynamic page layout but did not know the specific mechanism. Thanks for the knowledge. As to "Mobile" my screenshots were from FF on Windows 10 so that would not be a factor there but to your point regarding Mobile, prompted by your mention of it I tested XDA templates in Naked Browser on Android 11 and think I can see what you are talking about as some elements are in different places in different templates,

This brings me back to my quest for more screen width for threads and posts. When set to use the XDA classic template, in desktop FF the threads and posts are in a narrow central column as previously described but on Android devices, to the point of mobile specific layouts, the page contains just the threads and posts and it has search functionality. Wahoo, the best of both, "The Awesome Power Of A Fully Operational Mothership (for any P-Funk fans in the house). Wow, I don't think I've ever experience that level of functionality in web browsers at XDA and it's great, but then the view of threads and posts in desktop browser is woefully constricted.

Enabling Responsive Design Mode in desktop FF allows resizing a frame(?) or field(?) within the browser window to achieve the same effect that can be achieved by resizing the window but it's not a persistent setting and affords no more width than does resizing the entire window.

We can tell mobile browsers to report as desktop agent. Is there a way to get desktop browser to report as mobile? Beyond that, it would be nice if there was at least one XDA template which presented the wider column for threads/posts and has search features.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
I forgot about that one, thanks for mentioning it. Just checked it out and, oh cruel twist of fate, it seems that the only template in which that button is shown is the one which is already displaying without left column and with wide thread/post column as desired but does not seem to have search functionality.
[About XDA developers] J.Michael:
Did you try selecting "wider" in the theme that displays the option, then switching to the theme that lets you search?
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Yes, or at least I think I did. There was no discernible effect from clicking on the button even in the theme which presented the button but I did test clicking it once then view results then clicking it again then view results.
[About XDA developers] the_scotsman:
If you want to remove the left column, just click the 3 horizontal lines button in the top left, next to the XDA logo. This hides the left sidebar.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Goodness gracious, that's it. Thanks!

Now I'm as content as Groundskeeper Willie tuning his old radio to bagpipe tunes. :D
[About XDA developers] J.Michael:
Well, that's really perverse. I always assumed that was a menu, though clearly I never tried it.
[About XDA developers] J.Michael:
I'm using Firefox 117 (although much older versions always behaved the same way for me), XDA Classic theme, I currently have the offer to pinch in (make the screen / window / display smaller), and Search works as well for me as it ever has. As soon as I click in the Search box it pops up a dialog below the search box where I can change a dropdown from "Everywhere" to "This thread", and I have never seen that problem you have where the initial query is replaced by an asterisk.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Likewise, I thought it was a drop down menu which is essentially is, except it was in the dropped down state by default.

The long standing missing search functionality from the top search button and the new (after the migration) "oops...broke matrix" error from the "search this thread" button are both definitely functions of the 2 app based templates.

The prior behavior of the "search this thread" button (criteria replaced by wildcard) did occur to other people (probably using the same template) and I have a hypothesis (which I cannot test) about why the wildcard might have replace the criteria. Sometimes when doing search if we close an unneeded drop down or click elsewhere on the page then back into the search field then the search will go to all threads instead of just "this thread". IIRC that's just matter of having the proper field in focus when doing the search. That is effectively the same as replacing the criteria with a wildcard.

In any event, for some time I've been faulting the search features themselves for the undocumented (and in my case forgotten) limitations of those two templates and some quirks in navigation. There are some nice tutorials about searching XDA through Google or using older iterations of the site but maybe we could use a new one which mentions some of these quirks of as well as the limitations of templates. I had actually drafted one but lost track of it while testing templates. I'll re-create it before long... unless we already have an updated "Search Boxes tutorial".