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[HTC Droid DNA] jmichaels1982:
lol not at the same time

I am not saying at the same time , but if i feel like i want to listen to Sinatra on a cold rainy day i dont want to plan it ahead of time lol

If i feel like i wanna show off my last vacation pictures to my friends , i would like to not plan ahead of it ..

cloud brings that to you , your life , anywhere , any time you want it

but if verizon decides to be evil , than again my point is you are playing with less than 6g here ( yes i know user has 11 , but ur not counting custom roms , app backs ups and recovery backups which eat a whole lot )

any one can agree that this number is not really good in todays world
[HTC Droid DNA] ben7337:
I completely agree. I can live with the small battery for this phone, but it is powerful enough for even 1080p video. I was thinking, even with the most intensive video to play back this phone would work fine for me, which is great since my galaxy nexus couldn't even do 720p unless it had been transcoded to a lower quality by youtube.

I tried looking into putting my music on google for free, since I sold my ipod touch. However it's problematic. Google play won't support the alac files I made just for evil apple, and my flac files and some mp3's are all over the place, so now I have to point google all over the place, upload 16GB of flac files, and even then, they will be streamed at 320kbps mp3 quality. I really don't like that idea. There is no reason not to get at least 32GB on a phone now, the 32GB ipod touch has been around for over 4 years now.

Right now looking at my options, it looks like getting a gs3 which might not be powerful enough and may have signal issues for me, a droid razr hd which is exactly as powerful as my pantech marauder crapphone, and accept the locked down side of motorola, or go with the droid dna. However the dna will require me to have a ton of accessories. I need a keychain flash drive, and female usb to microusb keychain (which i can't even find anywhere) to add storage, then I need an external battery and one of those male usb to microusb keychains for the battery just to feel safe, and then I'd need to get a sansa clip zip and 32GB microsd card for all of my music, and then need to carry those all around every time I go out, in order to have something I could get in one package if I just could get a phone with removable battery and microsd card slot, that is also powerful enough to play any video without transcoding.
[HTC Droid DNA] Tachi91:
Lets say your out in the middle of nowhere with LTE and all of a sudden "O.M.G LIKE WHO WANTS TO SEE MY VACATION PHOTOS!?" fireup Picasa and scroll threw your memories of old. I doubt you took 1000 gigapixel photos and that ate threw your 4GB of verizon stupid data cap like a fat child on free ice cream day.

If your one of those people who are constantly downloading/uploading things you have no right to be on a network that rapes your childhood for 4GB a month.

Pandora as a daily use does not use 1.5GB a month (aslong you don't have High quality enabled).

As for ROMs and backups. Again keeping backups only on your phone is just asking for trouble. And what you got a collectors archive of ROMs stored on your phone? Quick upload CM7 I wan't to have a night of nostalgia.

Well aren't you a happy camper. lol

I'm just saying the fact that cloud storage is available for free and in some cases if you were a beta tester, quick with keys, or a user of something that came before you have alot of online storage sitting around for FREE.

The fact is phone storage is a temporary medium. The bridge between taking a picture/video today then uploading to something (PC or the Cloud) by tomorrow.

As for the 16GB of scattered music I will not fill this thread with my rants related to 16GB of music So you are the exception and I give you the benefit of the doubt.

I don't plan on being the troll of this thread so i'll leave with this.

To each their own (once again)... I just can't fathom why people see the need to shove everything on a phone whether it's 16GB or 256GB... There is just no need. Your phone is not your backup harddrive. If you claim 16GB is not enough you need to set some priorities on what you truly need to carry around on a phone and why. While you add it learn some proper file management skills to identify whether or not your human archive of music needs to be on your phone. Or you collection of photos from birth to death needs to be at your finger tips to show the stranger walking down the street.
[HTC Droid DNA] NorthlandAZ:
I use a micro usb flash drive cord with my 16gb Nexus 7.
[HTC Droid DNA] who MIKE D:
That's a good idea. I didn't know they had those!
[HTC Droid DNA] graymonkey44:
Life's all about choices, my friend. If I wanted to have a 64GB SD card filled with just music, then it's my God given right to do it. Will I honestly ever listen to every single song on it? Don't really care. When I go to the gym, I like to have every genre of music available to fit the mood I'm in. There's clearly an ulterior motive going on when the Butterfly is virtually the same exact phone with external memory.
[HTC Droid DNA] JWhetstone02:
Well, what about the ones of us who live out in the sticks, who don't even get 4G. Unless I go to work or drive 45 minutes to the nearest town, I am stuck on very low 3G/1X. So this cloud service isn't going to do me any good ...buffering...
[HTC Droid DNA] flaring afro:
I do wonder if they plan on bringing out a 32GB version in the next couple of months. Taking out the sd slot doesn't seem to make sense, unless it's to get people to pay another $50-100 for a rom upgrade.

Then again, the new phones have HD screens as big as people would want and processors that probably won't feel that slow in 2 years (at least the s4pro). People might not have any other reason to upgrade besides rom, unless there's new network technology to take advantage of. Maybe I will wait a few weeks to get mine if I do end up going with the DNA and that way if the 32GB comes out a month from its initial release, I can return mine under the 2 week period and get the upgrade.
[HTC Droid DNA] god2many:
There is little reason to why they couldn't put the micro sd. personally i don't have a problem with that, i have a 16gb sd in my X2 and i don't even use a full gig on it. I was looking at getting an iPhone 5, so the DNA will have same storage and way better spec. I already chose the DNA last night.
[HTC Droid DNA] tehknics:
I sure hope they don't offer a "plus" version or offer another size option too soon . That always gets the early supporters fired up. If they are gonna do it they need to do it all at once.

Now of they redo the phone a year later than no biggie...
[HTC Droid DNA] chakra:
when games are 2.25 gigs (like batman) then yes the normal consumer will notice that they can only load 4 apps on their new devie and its all full up. no more room for anything at all, no pics, no vids, no music, no sms, nothing more than 4 apps.

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your example is false. games are now 2.25 gigs or more, so 4 and your full, and you cant have them in the cloud. and those are mainstream games, batman and such, so no its not people wanting more. its people wanting enough to have more than 4 apps on their phone.
[HTC Droid DNA] tehknics:
Or you could install over 450 games/apps similar to the size of Angry Birds. A gig is huge for a single game, let alone 2+.
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
Verizon, you are going to see such a spike in my usage on my unlimited data plan :)
[HTC Droid DNA] jonah1234:
Same Haha I'm SOOOOOOOO excited.

Sent from my CM9 HTC Thunderbolt from Tapatalk 2.4
[HTC Droid DNA] ilive12:
I've been rocking a mere 4GB of space on my HTC Aria... 16GB is enough for me (I assume once this thing is unlocked and ****, I will be able to use more than 11GB).
[HTC Droid DNA] Venekor:
Come off it you're sounding like some Apple fanboi that is trying to justify the smaller storage space.

There is no justification, 16GB is too low for a lot of people and with no Micro SD slot it's unacceptable, I mean even Apple offers up to 64GB.

Why should I not be able to use the phone how I want to so I can justify owning it? I don't own an iPhone for that reason and HTC and Google have both lost sales due to limited storage.

I don't care how many people claim Cloud Storage is amazing, it isn't as good as having it local.
[HTC Droid DNA] Venekor:
Hard Disk Drive (HDD) makers define “GB” or “Gigabyte” as 1,000,000,000 bytes. Microsoft (in Windows) defines it as 1,024 x 1,024 x 1,024 bytes, or 1,073,741,824 bytes.
[HTC Droid DNA] dweezle:
I'm still curious what the thinking was to eliminate the SD slot in this U.S. version of the J Butterfly. Seems like it would make manufacturing sense to just go with the hardware tooling that already existed. :confused:
[HTC Droid DNA] tehknics:
Haha not even close. I'm not justifying anything I was just commenting on an unrealistic comment. Of course I'd like more gb, who wouldn't.
[HTC Droid DNA] jimm2:
Totally agree with this statement. Seems pretty clear why carriers would want to force hardware suppliers in this direction. Can't think of any sensible reason why HTC would design this phone twice of their own accord, with and without external storage?
[HTC Droid DNA] babydreamer1520:
I think I know why .

HTC is falling under the table with deals with verizon to use Cloud Service upload and streaming. This will increase Data usage, in turn bring extra money when overage starts to occur. Logically speaking I would do the same kind of deals and create a trap for consumer to use outside source memories to save information. Carrie extra hardware. maybe a micro USB drive. I dont know what works best but Im sure developers and users will want to have that function with them.
[HTC Droid DNA] dweezle:
this reminds me of what Verizon did when they released their first Bluetooth phone the Motorola V 710. They disabled Bluetooth file transfer and only allowed bluetooth for headsets. That meant you had to transfer all your photos off the phone by phone messaging.
[HTC Droid DNA] dontex:
....totally agree...this is a strictly a business move to tease you with that great screen but trap you to go over your data cap to use it...I don't care what anybody says local storage is better the cloud storage any day...that's why anybody with half a brain is picking Samsung...give me the choice of how I want to store things ...F the cloud this is totally going backwards for corporate greed in my book...
[HTC Droid DNA] jimm2:
Yes, probably time for a leadership shakeup at HTC unfortunately. If you judge HTC vs. Samsung on build quality alone, it's a big win for HTC. In all other areas, you gotta give the nod to Samsung. HTC had a chance to hit a huge home run with this device. Instead they allow it to be crippled out of the gate with limited storage. They really can't afford to turn off any potential buyers at this point. Bad management call I'm afraid that will probably hasten the death watch for HTC.
[HTC Droid DNA] flaring afro:
Don't you think you are getting emotional? I can't say I've heard of any religion saying that God gave them the right to store music on expandable storage and it being a sin to try to take away that right from anyone. lol
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
I was listening to techfoolery and the main reason seems to be performance. The fastest microsd card cannot match built in flash storage. I think 32gb is a nice sweet spot, or offer the apple tiered plan (16, 32, 64).

I would definitely like more storage, but at the same time, god it takes forever to transfer videos to my phone's sd card.
[HTC Droid DNA] nkd:
I think majority wins, A lot of the people I bet don't even use a whole lot of storage to be honest. My brother, sister in law, nephew have never had more than 5-6gb of storage on their phone and I am being generous there. They all use their phone for texting, browsing, facebook, I never see anyone playing games. I bought a few games on the $.99 sale from google but never played any of them. It just doesn't click with me for some reason.

I believe probably 80% of the people use less than 10gb average on their phone. I have 5 lines with verizon and I am the one with 7gb on my phone, few games but it is mostly music. Everything is uploaded to dropbox as soon as I get home over wifi when it comes to pictures.

with that said 32gb should be the norm for the phones if there is going to be one model available.
[HTC Droid DNA] Sleepy!:
The cloud can kiss my fat **s.

Cloud storage is something US users use, but for those of us in India, Russia, China, South America, etc, the cloud is still mostly a dream.

Carriers and OEMs can try as much as they want, but using cloud storage is just putting private property into public hands.

You can look up court orders that mandate that your data on the cloud is public.

This is the one reason I respect Samsung. They are the only OEM that seems to insist on onboard memory and expandability.

Both the SGS3 and Note 2 have microSD slots...

Maybe the SGS4 won't have a microSD slot, but I'm sure it'll have those 64GB NANDs that Samsung just started sampling.

Your data is YOURS, and it should remain private property.

I LOVE HTC, and would be happy to support them, especially when they're having such a bad time, but I hope that they go the J Butterfly way and include a microSD card in the international version.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
who says that cloud storage is public data? Pretty sure they would need a court order to see it, and what are you storing on your phone that is so secretive?

Take the tinfoil hat off.
[HTC Droid DNA] Venekor:
I think people over estimate the average users ability to manage storage. I mean I bought my mother an iPhone 4 two years ago and she doesn't even know why her phone keeps becoming full and asks me to sort it. Women tend to take lots of pictures and video which you'd be surprised how much space they take up. Also her mobile is a mess of applications because she never uninstalls anything and probably doesn't even know how.

Any G/F I've had I have always had to fix their PCs or sort out a problem on their mobiles and it is the same thing too. The average user is clueless.......
[HTC Droid DNA] chakra:
That is a great ad hominem argument there, you keep insulting him and saying he is a "crazy tin foil hat person" and I will say he is jobless and lazy. Thats perfect, I mean we obviously cant win an argument based on the facts, I mean he is correct. So we can just use personal attacks to change the subject, brilliant!
[HTC Droid DNA] Nodali:
But, what the big storage for? I have a 4 GB one, and I think it is enough. So, what more???
[HTC Droid DNA] Wot-75:
That's actually an ad hominem argument, not a straw-man argument.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
I think smaller storage just forces you to keep your storage clean. How many pictures do you need to keep on your phone? Upload them over home wifi and move on.

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Insulting him? He said that your private cloud storage is public domain. I asked him to prove it. The police and govt don't care what you are doing unless its illegal. 99% of the population has nothing to hide.
[HTC Droid DNA] chakra:
I thought the tinfoil hat comment was an insult, sorry if it wasn't.
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
More of a stereotype for people that believe that everyone is out to get them. Was a sarcastic joke at best.
[HTC Droid DNA] Sleepy!:
It's not just about that. You guys (in the US) have crappy 3G. Take it from me, India has better 3G coverage and tariffs, and it's still rather expensive. Though I hear Verizon is better, in my experience, AT&T and T-Mo suck. You pay through the nose for 2/3/4 GB of data on 3G. I haven't dared to look at LTE tariffs, but they're notorious for being high. And what use is 20 mbps of bandwidth when you get capped at 5 GB???

A user like me would use up the limited data from those plans just to stream music.

It's getting so irritating with Androids having abysmal on board storage, in the last 3 months, I even considered jumping ship to iPhone just for that 64 GB model. Till recently, who else, other than Apple, had the guts to go up to 64 GB?

Though the GS3 and HTC One X+ have leveled the playing field for Android.

*Takes tinfoil hat off...* *ooohh balding head is visible now :D *

Hmmm... I'd bookmarked an article about a court decision that mandated that cloud data is basically public data, and hence no warrant is needed to access it...

But I can't seem to find it now... That order was a big surprise to me, and so it had been on the forefront of my mind when I posted here, chance the rather angry post... :)

About the proprietorship of data, it's not about illegal data, it's about some random dude being able to call up everything there is to know about you.

I don't like the loss of privacy, and the joy my generation takes in losing it. For these same reasons, I dislike what Facebook is, and what Twitter is becoming.

So yeah, it's rather paranoid of me, but whatever we do is logged, and someday, somehow, there exists the possibility of us being judged on that.

If not judgement in the legal sense, then in the sense of peer pressure and blackmail.

I don't like the loss of control inherent in handing over large chunks of data to be stored in a server farm.

It's just who I am.

So sure, I may sound rather paranoid, but think about it, and you might see the logic behind what I say.
[HTC Droid DNA] the_passenger:
Awesome phone with 4g LTE and limited storage, I think VZ is forcing us to us more data. Imagine if u have only 2gb of data and use cloud storage all the time. VZ => profits.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
so how are we going to cope with no storage? i have a 32 gb s3 with a 64 gb sdcard. I have all the memory in the world! i have over 11 gb of just photos! how can i cloud those or what app can i use and still use the normal gallery app? is there a way to do that? i want to get the dna but hope somebody has a solution of a cloud that looks like a sdcard or normal gallery. not have to sort through some other app to get photos. make sense?
[HTC Droid DNA] Sleepy!:
Haha join the club bro.

Most of us are just complaining here... if we had a viable solution we wouldn't be complaining.

I think your pics can go to picasa, though. It has deep integration with the gallery.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
Gallery in htc or Samsung?

Not an iPhone.....
[HTC Droid DNA] Cadillac Johnson:
Earlier this week I decided to move what I could to the cloud to see it 16gb would be enough. I uploaded all my music, about 8g worth to Play Music, and have my photos auto upload to Dropbox.

I can cache play lists if I were to be without data, so that solves that issue.

16gb would be plenty for me using the cloud. Now I do still have grandfathered unlimited data, and will be purchasing the DNA outright to keep that, but on a tiered plan I could see streaming everything being an issue.

The only realistic problem is gaming with some of the newer ones pushing 2gb-3gb a piece. I have tablet for large games, and just keep smaller ones on my phone, but that may not be a viable option for all.

Carriers will be pushing users to the cloud as best they can with tiered data, so I don't think this is anything that will be changing anytime soon.
[HTC Droid DNA] boodies:
oh you poor souls... why dont you just boycott htc and teach them a lesson. 1080ps are going to flood the market soon.
[HTC Droid DNA] luke1333:
right like the note II in your sig that screens sucks?

and also the s4 and next flagship phones wont come out until mid next year so HTC is way ahead of everybody else.... have a nice day buddy and do your reasearch
[HTC Droid DNA] nrfitchett4:
I am trying out amazon for picture storage. My PC pics were already there anyways. Will see how it goes.

Just listened to android central podcast and he stated that usb host did work. Apparently there are 2 parts. first is just being able to read/stream from external device. Other part is to be able to write to it. If it can at least stream from usb, you could put videos there. Still not perfect.

I'm still hoping that the slot is there, just not accessible. That would allow us power users to add storage as long as its not too hard to take apart.
[HTC Droid DNA] chakra:
I have figured out a perfect solution to the DNA problems. I will be releasing a full sized back pack with a power pack / charger that can charge the device for 4 days, and a built in flash hard drive. You will have two cords going from the back of the pack to your pocket where the device is. The pack will only weigh 35 lbs and will be in multiple colors.

Problem solved.

I am of course being factious.
[HTC Droid DNA] geoff5093:
I find it funny that we were all bashing Apple, now we are defending manufacturers decisions to have non-removable batteries and no expandable memory... (And defending the Nexus 4 with no LTE)
[HTC Droid DNA] Sleepy!:
Truer words were never said, bro.

BTW, guy who thinks other 1080p phones will take time, you might want to check out rumours regarding Sony's Yuga and Odin handsets... some say Feb release... and Sammy is sampling 1080p SAMOLED for Jan demos. And LG is doing something. Nobody cares enough to find our what.

So maybe Feb may see Sony/Sammy devices.

Or maybe they'll go the traditional route and release new models in June/July and give HTC a chance to recap it's losses.
[HTC Droid DNA] flaring afro:
I personally don't believe that Samsung will come out with a 1080p phone until the GS4, and that the GS4 won't come out until around June. Then again, Samsung has made a lot off of those GS3s and might try to keep them more competitive by releasing a newer one a little early, who knows.

But I wouldn't be surprised if we did see other 1080p devices coming out in february, even by HTC (for another carrier). I think that will somewhat depend on initial sales of the DNA though.
[HTC Droid DNA] chakra:
I was being sarcastic, No way am I buying a phone with 10 gigs, I have that in nandroid backups of different roms lol.
[HTC Droid DNA] kenvil1:
I understand where you are coming from but when you look from a "normal" consumers point of view they probably could care less because most dont know how it works.
[HTC Droid DNA] josh995:
OK. This is ridiculous.

There are people in here bashing people for getting the DNA?

Look. I'm getting the DNA. I don't need to carry the whole contents of my computer in my pocket. I don't need to remove my battery for any reason. I don't need to carry 30gb worth of music with me, that's just stupid. I'm sorry, but it's stupid. You know how long it takes to listen to 30gb of music? Come on.

Make a playlist, listen to that until you get tired of it, then make a new playlist. Takes what...10 minutes?

So for me, the DNA is the perfect phone.

If you don't like it, then don't buy it! Why are you even here in the DNA forum?!

Move along!

Also, it's pretty much Verizons fault the DNA doesn't have an SD slot. Not HTC. (Why do you think carriers LOVE the iPhone so much?) However, I do think it's silly not to have 32 or 64GB options. That's pretty standard nowadays.
[HTC Droid DNA] skr_xd:
http://mobilenews.omio.com/mobile-p...h-review-the-wireless-answer-to-storage-woes/
[HTC Droid DNA] DROID3R:
Spoken like a true obedient sheep.

iSheep... iSheep... Meowww that's Apple
[HTC Droid DNA] adrynalyne:
Good to hear, because with that little of storage, you have a choice of storing a bit of data, or a few games and nothing else.

Games will eat it up in no time at all, unless you play basic ones. Sorry, but I wouldn't buy a 1080P device for basic games and apps. Several major games right now are up to 2GB in size. What happens when they are updated for 1080P?

"Look at my awesome phone! It is 1080P!"

"Dude? Why do you only have 3 games on here?"

"Yeah...out of storage."
[HTC Droid DNA] boodies:
But in the end, it's up to them. So the bashing needs to stop now ^_^ Let people enjoy their phones right? I think as a fellow Androidan..? lol we're just tyring to look out for each others best interest, maybe a little too forcibly at times. Happy Thanksgiving!