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[About XDA developers] efs12:
Hi Guys,

I haven't read all of the posts of this thread in detail, but i think this 10 posts rule is absolutely sh**.

I'm reading this forum since 2 years, now I want to share my experience/issues/problems for a specific rom. The rom is VJs JB for HTC Desire.

JB for HTC Desire = Dev.

I never needed to register, so i did it a few days ago, to share my experience with the mentionend rom. But i'm not able to post, because of this rule. In the chat someone told me to answer 10 questions in the general section. Very nice: I'm not interested in answer a question like "What's the best stable JB ROM for my girlfriend's Desire". JB, stable and Desire don't fit. "What about Desire C". How should I now???? "What about arabic letters". How should I know???

I know, as I've read, xda-dev was a developer forum. But you're the No 1 if someone has a problem with an android device/rom/program or any possible combination. Ask Google, at least the 3rd search entry will be xda. So please split up dev and the rest and kick this 10-posts rule.

I'm currently really angry because of this, but xda is currently something like a monopole. There's no way to get around this great site and it's genius developers.

I simply want to share my experience here (link) without 10 posts in a forum/thread where I'm not able or willing to answer any questions. I also found out, that at least 4 people in this mentioned thread don't have this 10 posts.This is really shi**y.
[About XDA developers] boborone:
First part (maybe we're not interested in having you.

Second part (I'm so proud of that. We're not number 1 on search results when it comes to solving a problem and being a support site. Thank you for pointing that out to me. Really, that's nice to hear.

Third part (Just reinforces my assertion you are not the type of member that is needed here. ...."not able or willing to answer any questions"...

Make 10 useful posts and you can ask your question in the dev area. Otherwise, post in kidcarter's thread about what you need to post in the development. He will if it's not a question.
[About XDA developers] D@rekills4:
How about no post count in off-topic threads?

They are being spammed anyways.
[About XDA developers] Thats OK:
That's an excellent suggestion.

Many other forums have resorted to this to keep a cap on those who just sit and post the self serving dribble.

Killing off "Thanks" in off topic was a good start.

My thoughts were much more harsh.

Eliminate off topic.

Most likely not a great idea without an alternative.

Reading thru the last 9 pages the frustrations boiling up from staff members and long timers is clearly evident.

Off topic is like the bad part of town; ok to cut thru in daylight, just don't stay too long.

Been in off topic myself lately...most of it is seldom funny or entertaining.

When a somewhat engaging thread arises in off topic it degrades so quickly we just shake our heads.

XDA is better than this...

I really believe that aggressively throttling the grade school attitudes will turn XDA back to it's own philosophy.

You know the one clearly stated in the lower left corner of the webpage.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
I personally don't go near OT, don't like it, but it does solve a purpose. It keeps OT trolls away from device forums :)

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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
XDA is not a mobile support site, its for developers. A lot of new users think XDA is to support them, answer their daft questions which have been asked countless times before. To prevent them asking these in dev forums we created the 10 post rule, so they help others first, hopefully learn and read at bit, then enter dev forum's. Admittedly, it's not a perfect system, but it's what we use until we can find/think of a better one. So complaining about it will not make us change our mind. But, if you are unwilling to help somebody else, please, close the door on your way out

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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] efs12:
It's not fair to reduce my post to a single sentence without using it in it's context.

I made some examples, why I'm not able or willing to help. I did not say "I'm unable and not willing to help anyone." as u imply.

I understand the background of this rule, but I think in some cases it's nonsense.

HTC Desire is out of everything. Every version > 2.2 IS development.

There are lots of guys who are making good ROMs and need the feedback from the users. The threads to the roms are located in the dev area.

I've already tried to get 10 posts. But the questions, which I'm unable to help are e.g:

Problems with Desire CDMA -> don't have this version and I know it's a different in some cases. I don't know the cases, so how should i help?

Problem with arabic letters/language -> not my region, unable to read, so how should I help.

Best stable jb rom for desire for girlfriend -> imo this is a silly question. first of all, i only have tried 2 jb roms, because i love cyanogenmod, so i'm not able to answer, because i only know a few of them. nearly every rom is currently updated every week, because they are not really stable on this device. stable, jb, desire is basically a conflict (one side are the various scripts for different roms you need to get the rom basically running on this device. the other side are the known problems like camera, fm-radio and so on). stable dev-rom for girlfriend. in fact this question is not answerable. also god will not to able to answer it. -> so im not willing to answer.

Most of the questions are very specific, so i'm also not able to answer.

I will never post messages like "read the whole thread" or "use google", because imo this is spam. I also will not post things like that, to reach the 10 posts.

And what I still can't understand, that there are users, who don't have 10 posts but are able to post in dev-threads.
[About XDA developers] GaboWinter:
You know that you can reach that 10 posts in more ways than answering questions related to your device and without fall in "spam"?

Check this thread please.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Can you point me to these individuals?

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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think! XDA, mobile wisdom, not a n00b feeding ground!!
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
Don't forget, there are those who registered before January 2010 who are 'grandfathered' in and can post in Development. For the most part those people are lurkers, post infrequently, but glean whatever information they need from just studying the information already posted.
[About XDA developers] efs12:
e.g. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=34613992&postcount=445

ok, that makes sense with the old ones. They all registered years ago.

**** for me :D
[About XDA developers] aledex:
I'm quite sick of people who ask dumb questions which could easily get an aswer with a simple google search (i.e. "how can I activate a2sd script?") or which are already present in the same thread (and could be found with the internal research); but the thing which annoys me mostly is that even if you answer them they don't even thank you.

Like someone else has already said in this thread, this forum is becoming too much user-oriented.

I like very much when developers write complete and clear open posts explaining everything about their rom and even showing screenshots, really, but some threads seem like kindegardens, where users keep asking etas or things already written in the OP or in the topic, and even offend each other. That's absurd! I know that this isn't a behaviour that can be easily controlled, I justed wanted to point it out.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Thread cleaned

Can I remind everyone, this is a thread for suggestions, feedback and ways to improve the site itself. It is not a thread for asking questions, reporting bugs etc
[About XDA developers] Thats OK:
The repeat support questions and refusal to use search is very troublesome for those attempting to help.

Not a developer or contributor myself. I do really enjoy trying to point newer users in the right direction.

The event that kind of bothers me is no feedback\update from a poster who you may have helped.

I take no response as the help received worked and now XDA is dismissed until we need you again.

I'm starting to see that many who do receive help often return to offer help.

A number of new guys in the Infinity section have popped into the development threads helping the developers pump up those ROMs and tools.

I know it's because they are reading up and experimenting on the advice of many to do so.

So I think XDA as a support forum is not necessarily a horrible fate.

Maybe offering some sort of award locally down in each section might promote worthwhile posting.

Something like "device specific helper level 1 or 2 or 3" or some other little ditty under ones avatar.

Childish I know, yet many love those badges and numbers showing for pride.

The "thanks" button is ok it just doesn't mean much if you can't easily see what those thanks were for.

Just a thought or two.
[About XDA developers] mfsr98:
IMO, a good thing would be to give the thread creator the ability to delete posts on his ROM. Also, sometimes people post a question and THEN search. When they get an answer, they usually say: "Thank you, but I already got my answer. Sorry for the inconvinience." Users should also be able do delete their own posts.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
The Recognized Contributor was partly brought in for this reason, i.e. they contribute to XDA by helping others etc.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Well, we actually thought about your first point before, but there is the potential for users to abuse this and delete all the negative posts in their threads. This option is available to ERD's.......not sure about RD's though. Will have to check

As for your second point, users do have the option to edit their post, but your example is not something I'm to keen with tbh. If a user asks a question, then finds the answer, I for one would hate them to say "Thank you, but I already got my answer. Sorry for the inconvenience." I'd rather they said "ok, I actually found the answer to my question.......the answer is bla bla bla" This way, anyone else looking for the same answer will also know the answer.

As for giving users the option to delete their own posts, this won't be happening
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Neither ERDs nor RDs can currently delete their own posts, though it is something that does come up often and I think we were discussing recently.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Thanks for the clarification mate, been discussed a few times as you said, though I thought ERD's could.
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
That's what we RCs are here for :p

If you look around, I am pretty sure you can find some guides :)

And the dispensing of General and Q&A is too much IMHO :eek: Everyone are going to post their questions in the development section, that's what I feel :)
[About XDA developers] Toledo_JAB:
I agree with you completly.

I will add this about removing the Q&A and general sections. This is what the report button is for.

Last night I went through all of the 2012-13 Xperia forums and reported well over 20 threads (all for posting in wrong section).

I propose that in order to graduate to senior member status, every one should have to read a guide on how to use the report button and then find a thread in the wrong section and report it.

Just think if every member made just 1 report. With 4+ million members the moderators will be busy, happy but busy ;)

From Jaramie's LT28at
[About XDA developers] calisro:
My suggestion is to have a short series of questions on the actual new thread page for anyone under say 100 posts. It would ask things like:

Is this a general question about XXXXX device?

Is this a guide or "how to" thread?

Is this thread about a piece of software that YOU yourself developed?

Etc...

Based on the questions, the page would default to the appropriate forum so new people can post correctly. After 100 posts it wouldn't ask questions anymore...
[About XDA developers] Stryke_the_Orc:
While I like the suggestion, what's to keep members from becoming dependant and/or lazy, then posting in the wrong forum afterwards?

Or you'll end up with thousands of threads asking "what happened, is it broken?"

Slithering from the nether regions of a twisted mind and tarnished soul
[About XDA developers] Mattix724:
I think XDA should have a feature for the Q&A sections where the most helpful answers can be voted up in the thread. Answers that are not helpful can be voted down in the thread, after an answer receives too many down votes it will be removed from the thread completely.

I only suggest this because as of lately there are a lot of new users that think they know what they are talking about and the truth is the have no clue. They are going into Q&A to help other users when in reality they are not and it is creating more confusion and more users that have no idea what is going on.
[About XDA developers] calisro:
that is always a possibility but if you look at post counts.... Most people who have a number of posts counts know the rules.

The person who is creating a thread is posting in a specific forum (say orig development for example). The questions serve to substantiate that it BELONGS in that forum. If he answers a question that contradicts his choice of "orig dev" then the post informs that person that it really belongs in say q&a instead.

I'm thinking that it is a vice to teach where things go and not to facilitate lazyness.

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I like the suggestion. I vote your suggestion up. Voting would allow non-mods to perhaps assist in cleaning up some of the garbage.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Post/thanks count is no way a solid way to find out wherever person in question knows what he is talking about in that particular post. Yes, chances are higher, but still, wait for a contradiction. If it doesn't come, then chances are person is correct. Otherwise, many people are quick to point out mistakes.
[About XDA developers] calisro:
sorry, which comment are you referring to there?
[About XDA developers] Mattix724:
As much as I love the eye candy... That thread is a pissing contest for the most thanks. I'm surprised it's still open.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Your one about post count.
[About XDA developers] calisro:
ok.. I mean you have to draw a line somewhere. post count is better than thanks but I agree both are artificial.

My suggestion was really more around a question and answer portion of creating a thread than post/thx counts. but yes both those counts aren't very meaningful.

You have to "teach" people somehow... I was thinking that the questions would substantiate someones decision to post in a specific forum and if they picked the wrong forum it would politely tell them that based on their answers it doesn't belong there if it didn't.

I picked 100 posts for those questions to be disabled but it could be any number.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Said thread is currently on strike two. One more rule break and it's gone permanently
[About XDA developers] Rataplan:
Suggestion

Ok, didn't read the whole thread :D but I think the title says enough.

Well feedback and or recommendations, it's really difficult to start but first of all let me thanks all the people that are offering their free time to make xda a succes.

Newbie's, I think you must not restrict so called "newbie's" to 10 post before they can post in a thread, I receive a lot of pm's from newbies who can't post in my thread because they don't have 10 posts.

It's not someting that bothers me, I always reply a pm, before you know it you need help from them.

But sometimes you're only replying instead of other things, you wanna do.

What I also see is, that there are a lot of groups on xda,by example this rom is made by the FlowerPowerteam or special thanks to team blablabla, and most of the time there is a link to their website.

I suggest to keep them on xda, make a thread for them in the device building thread, make sure every one can read what they are doing, maybe with a delay for 1 or 2 days, so other members can do their suggestion, and also give them the possibility to moderate their thread.

Greetz,
[About XDA developers] kdw_dj:
I would like to say something about mess one more time.

First of all it is very not comfortable to find for example MODs. There are a lot of threads about ROMs, themes, apps, guides, etc. I like the way you solved that problem with ROMs - one thread with one post where is a list of all ROMs. Maybe if you don't like to create separate forums as I wrote earlier, you could create similar threads for MODs, themes and guides?

Secondly. Look here:

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1055

So where themes should be placed?
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Themes go in the themes section. Themed ROMs go in the derivative development section.

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face......
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
Not just themed, but stripped down roms(i.e.few apps deleted) and roms which are just based on another rom with a few optimizations

Right CTM?
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Indeed. :)

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face......
[About XDA developers] jasonwsc:
Just a quick suggestion.

I noticed that although new members aka newbies are not allowed to reply to development threads, they are able to create new ones, which is really strange. Also, once in a while someone would post a random question in themes and apps.

Hence I suggest that the 10 post requirement be EXTENDED to creating new threads in both development and themes and apps forums. But maybe the rules can be relaxed for replying to threads.

After all, ten posts should not be THAT hard to achieve.:D
[About XDA developers] :
Just to inform you,

Samsung Galaxy Y GT-S5360 does not have a original developement section. I guess it is because it is a legacy & low activity device. But it would be better if we have that section as many people put simply themed and kanged works in android developement section which makes it a mess. One cannot differ from what is being developed and what is themed. Its an request.

We will be glad if we get that section.

Thanks.
[About XDA developers] TingTingin:
Lol it doesn't search original development

PHONE SLOW CLICK ME?

2 days 2 s4

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http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2158194

PHONE SLOW CLICK ME?

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[About XDA developers] roofrider:
There is a 'derivative dev' section? :confused:

Think you mean just 'android development', akash is confused then. Not me. :p
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
I think this is worthy of bringing up again..

How about letting the OP edit posts in a closed thread? Like now i have an Index thread and like 7 posts in it, which will mostly require regular updating, but obviously no other user replies are needed in it, so it would make sense to lock it. But then the mod will need to regularly lock, unlock thread and that may take a while, reporting/PMing a mod as they may/may not see it.

So why not allow the OP to edit his posts in such a locked thread? Could help a lot.
[About XDA developers] E.Cadro:
While in theory this sounds like a viable request the challenge would be the fact that there are times where moderators lock threads and remove download links for reasons such as kang, non gpl violations, posting links to warez etc... If the op still had the abilty to edit his posts they could easily add links back which would mean the moderator would have to police locked threads to make sure that this had not occurred. This would add a huge amount of work to the moderator team.

XDA Moderator
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
Such threads without meaning could just be deleted, yeah?
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
Mods only delete threads when it's absolutely necessary and usually just close them from what I have seen
[About XDA developers] E.Cadro:
Correct deleting a thread is always the last option. Also in some of the situations I had mentioned the op will comply with the reason for the thread being closed in those cases the thread would be reopened.

XDA Moderator
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
Erm...how about having an option for a mod to approve a thread for such a thing? Like only Index, compilation, dev threads?

P.S. : Y U Guest? :confused:
[About XDA developers] E.Cadro:
One of the admins would have to chime in on that I'm not sure if such a option could be implemented into our current system as far as the guest goes it is a long story. ;)

XDA Moderator
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Guys, back on topic please
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
With the amount of threads created per day, this wouldn't be feasible tbh
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Threads are generally closed for a reason, i.e. out of date, not needed, no longer maintained, duplicate, being asked before etc etc etc

If an OP needs to be edited for whatever reason in a closed thread, just report the first post and state your reasons why. A mod will happily help you out
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
But RCs and RDs can do that can't they? Can they?

I mean editing a post in a closed thread.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Nope. Not even RDs. RDs can open or close thread iirc.

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[About XDA developers] m1trand1r:
nope... we don't have that much power... in our hands.... ;)

Sent fom my S-II running Vanilla Rootbox 3.9 :D powered with DorimanX kernel v. 9.1
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Hmm.. i think it makes sense to allow that. After all, i heard the RD program has been revamped and is more strict now. Maybe the same can be said for the RC program too.

And of course misusing the power would mean losing the title.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Its been discussed in depth already (in private RC forums) . Not happening.

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[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
This is a common misconception that users have :o

Everyone thinks we have moderating powers, while we don't, and we were not judged based on our ability to moderate anything. Its just an award for our contributions
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
No.. i just thought of that because you guys are the ones who maintain guides/indexes and such closed threads and it would be a useful privilege if you had it.
[About XDA developers] Pons:
Ok, I last posted this in the [All XDA Members] Requests to Moderators and Admins but reading the OPs, I think that's more for asking a mod's assistance/advice, while this thread is for site requests. They're very similar, and, to me, slightly confusing. So I'll repost here since this is where I now think this request goes:

Site request: add a github link to either the users profile, the little user pane that shows up to the left of posts, or preferably both. Being a developer forum, it's odd that a link to a profile related to source and development contributions that a person makes (github) is not available, but facebook and twitter links are.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39041811&postcount=540
[About XDA developers] drarnold:
I have a question about the purpose of the 10 post rule particularly that I'm prevented from posting in the dev section.

If I have a specific issue with a rom I think the best place to post would be the rom thread. Instead I've been instructed that the Q&A section is the place to post but alas my question has no replies after many hours. I can't imagine that most dev's are watching every thread in the Q&A section for problems with their rom. I just don't understand the logic of this rule.

I had heard that xda had a bad reputation for making new users welcome and I can understand why now.