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[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
There's nothing to figure. Developing ROMs for the N4 is easy. Only one major binary is missing and it is easy to grab from the stock rom.
[Nexus 4 General] kanpurite:
Binaries for nexus 4 now available officially.

https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews#mako
[Nexus 4 General] jarjar124:
And we are officially supported !!!
[Nexus 4 General] Crisisx1:
Will we see any major improvements?
[Nexus 4 General] lowrider262:
Doubt it, from what i understand its just a few updated drivers & binaries...but either way I just fastboot flashed the image anyway... I couldn't resist:p
[Nexus 4 General] ogrillion:
So I can just download stuff from the binary download page and fast boot flash?
[Nexus 4 General] styckx:
No.
[Nexus 4 General] steviewevie:
Looks like the thread title can finally be updated, thank you JBQ!

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Imperticus:
On Google+ I asked him: "Does that mean Nexus 4 not supported by AOSP?"

JBQ: Correct.

Me: But any plans to include N4 in AOSP later on?

JBQ: I can't comment about the future, sorry.﻿
[Nexus 4 General] ragnarok12:
If I'm understanding, the source code just hasn't been uploaded to http://source.android.com/ yet. I'm sure it will be added in soon though, unless I'm misunderstanding.
[Nexus 4 General] XxSilent22xX:
I am really hoping the source is not ready and will be added otherwise I just made a big mistake buying this phone.

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus 4 General] mskip:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/google-rel...sp/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Google factory images also released https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images so hopefully no bricks and I can get the Nexus 4 and 10 Toolkits finished as soon as I have mount points :)

Mark.
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
It's not the source that isn't ready but most likely the proprietary drivers. Most likely this will be worked out in due time.
[Nexus 4 General] Ranguvar:
4.2 on Nexus 4 so far hasn't come with Browser, just Chrome.
[Nexus 4 General] Christian Troy:
Cool so I won't be able to compile a ROM from scratch with minimal effort... what a fail if they won't release device trees for n4 -.-
[Nexus 4 General] lnfound:
I can't say I fully understand the implications of this, but I'm sure we'll hear from a lot of people once people make their way out of the shipping and country threads.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
that sucks :crying:
[Nexus 4 General] Christian Troy:
Roms like cm, aokp, pa could be built much easily and with less issues... this sucks really badly. If n4 devices tree won't be released I'll never buy it
[Nexus 4 General] nukeblitz:
Google always releases their source code - it's most likely that some of the license issues which happen when you try to open source something could not be resolved in time. I'm sure they'll add it to AOSP when they can
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
Yep......http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/11/13/jbq-the-nexus-4-is-not-supported-in-aosp-at-the-moment/
[Nexus 4 General] lnfound:
So is this essentially what's going on with international s3?
[Nexus 4 General] Christian Troy:
Basically is what happens with every non nexus device, despite devs' hard work
[Nexus 4 General] craiigman:
Does this effect people who aren't rooting?
[Nexus 4 General] gideonMorrison:
No. If you keep it stock you rock.
[Nexus 4 General] jpswer:
Urgh this is really bad for a nexus device. Not open at all. Shocked tbh
[Nexus 4 General] giant22000:
Hopefully this will be resolved in due time. Glad I decided to wait a few weeks and see how the N4 plays out. Right now, I'm very pleased with my Gnex but I swap phones on average about every 6 months and I'm just about due! C'mon google, I'm rootin' for ya to get us source... Don't fall by the way side as other manufacturers have done. This is what sets Nexus devices apart from the rest!
[Nexus 4 General] Apfelschale:
Kick in the nuts... did not see this one coming.... dafuq google?
[Nexus 4 General] culaterout:
Wow, were did you get this idea from.

I have been running linux for 25+ yrs.

Let me explain what there talking about.

1. Binary code is 1's and 0's the kernel reads or machine code to talk to hardware on board.

2. Soure code is programming language that humans use to write binary code. The if, then, else statements. Source code is generally written in Java, python, C, C++ etc.

The reason we dont need the source code or the binary code is Google Software engineers and LG hardware engineers worked side by side developing the kernel and source code.

Really simply put Googles Andriod kernel will load there drivers by defualt.

LG Nexus 4

Graphics processor: Adreno 320

CPU: Quad core, 1500 MHz, Krait

Monitor: IPS LCD

HTC one X

CPU: 1.5 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 international version / 1.5 GHz, dual-core LTE version (USA and select countries)

GPU: Tegra 3 processor

Monitor: Super LCD

Mini SD card reader:

Samsung Galaxy S III

CPU: Quad-core 1.4 GHz Cortex-A9 1 gig of ram International version / US version is runnning a daul core cpu 1.5 ghz with 2 gigs of ram

GPU: Mali-400MP

Monitor: Super AMOLED

Mini SD card reader:

Also HTC, Samsung III and many other venders have there on look and feel for Android system makes it unique.

We refer to as the graphic user interface short GUI.

So HTC, Samsung and other venders add there own GUI that makes there system different.

So they include source code and binary code to allow developers to make new apps for the hardware.

Now the revision 1 is going to include source and binary code and drivers for there phones.

I don't have time to go into every little change Samsung and HTC has made different from the Kernel in LG.

4.2.1 r1 is just for the other cell phone makers. Will there version of Jellybean include camera effect, unlock screens, management of open documents is yet to be

In short we dont need the binary code or source code unless we are developer and want to add a Android Package File such as angry birds and need to know exactly what screen resolution is to load my game.

Pls do not express revisions to a noob or anyone else. Unless your making a app intended to run in that enviroment. I'm sure google has there kernel outlined in the SDK development tool and can write google and ask questions about the hardware if needed. Since it is GNU license I sure its free code for developers.
[Nexus 4 General] mastibeta:
Without a device tree, you cannot compile a kernel from source, therefore gimping development...the meaningful enhancements are made at the kernel level.
[Nexus 4 General] kenjiwing:
I think im going to cancel my order now :-/
[Nexus 4 General] Nexx:
Err, no.

The kernel source is already available. The device tree is for building Android.

https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-msm-mako-3.4-jb-mr1-fr
[Nexus 4 General] joshndroid:
Looks like we will be in for dump mods taking up a thousand pages for a while then Lol
[Nexus 4 General] roughavoc:
This thread just got confusing really quickly. I dont mind stock on the N7 though, so all will be good for me
[Nexus 4 General] bustem:
the only reason getting this phone for me was because i thought nexus is 'best' for development. hm:(
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
JBQ said that he cant tell about the future, but he said the exact same thing with the nexus s and xoom. so we will have to wait. i think the nexus 4 should be AOSP in the future
[Nexus 4 General] mgear356:
2nd that. This is indeed disappointing... Will wait till its resolve and decide if I should still get the n4.
[Nexus 4 General] molesarecoming:
holy cow what are you talking man. aosp is the only reason to get a nexus. you think people get it because its back sparkles? without code we are screwed. you think as a developer i wanna screw around with hacked leaks and loose months until i find opensource drivers that can somehow hold together? its not even funny. if aosp doesnt come for this device it would be a total f**k up.
[Nexus 4 General] InvalidUsername:
"Sorry, you are limited to 8 thanks per day"
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
Damn , seems google like sammy and htc way by only releasing kernel source code which sucks :(
[Nexus 4 General] kenjiwing:
I really dont understand any of the decisions google is making anymore. Im really starting to lose faith in them.
[Nexus 4 General] djsaad1:
This whole thing has got to be a joke right? If it won't be in AOSP, I will return it and keep my s3.
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
Thers NO WAY this gets omitted from AOSP for any length of time. This is some licensing issue that will be cleared up soon. Android Police is assuming it is Qualcomm related but who knows. I expect this to be cleared up by months end.
[Nexus 4 General] chlehqls:
I miss Texas Instruments since they've been known to keep theirs well documented and more open than their competitors.
[Nexus 4 General] reuthermonkey:
Are yall retarded?

I mean really.

Are you seriously mentally challenged?

JBQ cannot and has never confirmed or denied upcoming device support for the AOSP tree, regardless of the device. As others have pointed out, his current statement falls in line with previous device launches. Until the code is dropped, no statements are made.

Whoop-de-doo.

The Nexus 4 will be included in the AOSP 4.2 code drop along with the other active Nexus devices. If you think his statement is anything beyond "I can't divulge any information" then you need to Go directly to Jail. Do not pass go.

Seriously. It's a Nexus. Smarten up.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
HMM google sell the device with unfinished software , unlicensed :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] IIIIkoolaidIIII:
PMSL @ link

No the software will be finished and licensed for sale with the device, but not yet licensed for them to release into the AOSP project.

On a side, name me one company that has released a product with finished software recently?
[Nexus 4 General] :
I think nothing is wrong with running stock until everything is sorted out . I think Google has outdone themselves with 4.2 even though it is just a slight upgrade from 4.1.2, but with the new additions you can't pass up. I'm pretty sure this phone will get excellent developer support regardless. I mean we all bought this phone for the vanilla Android experience which it comes with out the gate. :) All I need is widgetlocker and I can make my own simple mods via compiling and decompiling via apktool until everything gets sorted out and the devs put out their products.
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
I buy Nexi because they are supported by AOSP.

Otherwise I could just buy a Sony or Sammy phone. Or maybe even one from HTC.
[Nexus 4 General] :
True, I'm just saying that nothing is wrong with stock for now. I'm sure everything will get worked out soon though.
[Nexus 4 General] rest0ck:
Google is releasing the source code for 4.2 to AOSP

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/android-building/-ymcoMuDAbA/3cotWkQ-20wJ

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/1...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DroidLife+(droid+life)
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
Yes we already know that.

But they dropped support for the Nexus S, the Xoom and haven't released anything for the N4 beside the kernel source.
[Nexus 4 General] JanetPanic:
Very impressive considering Linux was announced in 91 (21 years ago)

This is not accurate. The benefit of AOSP and source is it allows ROM developers to build custom firmware. This has little to nothing to do with application development (like angry birds).

On a side note please learn the difference between there (As in put it right there.) and their (This is their way to express anger.). I try to not be a grammar nazi but this one is pretty basic.

EDIT: and they're (contraction for they are)
[Nexus 4 General] bustem:
' I can't comment about 4.2 support for Nexus S or Xoom.'
[Nexus 4 General] Nebucatnetzer:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/android-building/-ymcoMuDAbA/3cotWkQ-20wJ
[Nexus 4 General] JanetPanic:
I agree that AOSP is important for the Nexus line. I strongly disagree that it is the only reason to purchase one. I am past my ROM cooking/flashing days, I use the nexus phones because they are a good baseline for application development and are likely to be supported by Google for a while.
[Nexus 4 General] joshyy_rey:
IMO we'll be ok guys, ive seen this before and JBQ just has to cover his butt because they are working on the licensing, but Google wouldnt give it the nexus name if they were going to come through, It'll be ok let them work:good:
[Nexus 4 General] Nospin:
This.

It's amazing how quickly you guys go all doom and gloom. As soon as everything is worked out with the hardware manufacturers, Google will post everything to AOSP. I can't believe some people responded to this with "That's it! I'm skipping this device!". Calm down!
[Nexus 4 General] gideonMorrison:
I also want pink glasses like you guys. :cool:
[Nexus 4 General] kcls:
I highly, highly doubt that this won't get sorted out. The definition of the Nexus line is having all source available to developers. It's a developers phone. It's the reason people buy them.

Google will lose a massive amount of respect and trust from people with Nexi if they don't release it. So, why would they not!
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
It might be out of googles hands. They couldnt get the carriers to let them have LTE and consistent updates.
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
Isn't that different? That's more hardware, and a different battle. That's the carrier's problem. If the past nexi were able to get to aosp, then I believe Google will find a way to work it out

Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 4G
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
I was buying this device because I figured it would be on AOSP, which would help development out.

Is there any actual confirmation from Google that the Nexus 4 will, without any doubt, be on AOSP though? I heard a few people say Google wouldn't not have the Nexus 4 on AOSP, but something official would be nice...
[Nexus 4 General] joshyy_rey:
and I want to like the taste of crow like you :p
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
But the SoC was open source for the last nexus devices. The s4 pro isn't so they might have to argue with Qualcomm about it. If Qualcomm say no then I don't think it will be in AOSP.
[Nexus 4 General] spinkick:
right, look at the verizon galaxy nexus. That got brought back into the fold.
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
What's worse-case scenario if the Nexus 4 isn't in AOSP, ever?
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
Won't that ruin the company? Qualcomm? Then Google will never use them. Other companies may consider not go to them either. I don't think that's a good way to go. Or Qualcomm and Google could have an exclusive agreement

Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 4G

---------- Post added at 02:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:20 PM ----------

A tough time to have custom ROMs from devs, or you may never have a custom ROM

Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 4G
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
But wouldn't this be something that should be verified before labeling a device with Nexus?

I've been more and more interested in a Nexus 10 as of lately now too...
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
You would have thought so. Maybe they wanted to get the device out before the holiday?
[Nexus 4 General] Thoughtful:
As each day passes by I lose hope in humanity :(. Do you guys really think Nexus 4 won't be added to AOSP? Google is clearly just behind in getting everything prepared. Just like how they sent out review devices that had software features missing.

Come on people.
[Nexus 4 General] Highway 55:
You guys are overreacting. Nexus 4 will be supported in AOSP. Step back off of the ledge...
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
Seriously? Review units run beta software all the time whether they are from Google or not. That was not unusual.
[Nexus 4 General] Thoughtful:
So you agree companies don't always have everything prepared on time?
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
No. The 4.2 release was prepared on time as it came out today. With the ability to do OTA updates, companies are not going gold with their software releases until the last minute. It gives them more time to release stable software than years ago.
[Nexus 4 General] pikachukaki:
Its funny that most here wish to not buy the phone without having device tree on day one cos aokp and cm11 will release in an hour when other of use used phones without sources with out devs and get along pretty good....in the subject now android is an open OS so it can't be unreleased...so stay calm and stop reacting like childs!!
[Nexus 4 General] tian105:
since ASOP already got the source from Google, Shouldn't this thread be closed?
[Nexus 4 General] rbrucemtl:
The source is released but the nexus 4 is not currently supported.
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
Tell that to the other manufacturers whose devices aren't part of AOSP :p
[Nexus 4 General] P00t:
im preetty sure it will be an AOSP soon.
[Nexus 4 General] anotherdroid:
i have a samsung galaxy nexus and what is this?

;)
[Nexus 4 General] Turbotab:
I want to post something worthy of the high quality informed discourse, in many of the previous posts, so here goes...

If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, it probably is a duck / or Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] :
Jesus. I thought Google couldn't screw this up any more than they already have.
[Nexus 4 General] comminus:
Relax. No one said it's never going to happen.
[Nexus 4 General] kcls:
I seriously think people are making to big of a deal over this. He never said it WON'T be released to AOSP, he just said it hasn't, yet. It means they hit a hiccup. It's not the end of the world. Give it a week and I'm sure we'll all be laughing about this.

Tapatalk² from my Optimus V
[Nexus 4 General] The Troll:
what does this mean for ppl like me?

who jus need something with a modifiable kernel?

i honestly never found a stock rom with few custom tweaks to be a problem..
[Nexus 4 General] Mesho Arc:
Who's JPQ?
[Nexus 4 General] yduck:
if it is because of proprietary drivers, why can't they release the source that is already opened, without the source of the drivers that are not opened? so that people can start working on the source. I am not sure how the drivers are incorporated into the os, but I guess they can just include the binary of driver but not the source? Is it possible?
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
We have a released factory image, and AOSP still exist. It is effectively the same boat as every non Nexus phone.
[Nexus 4 General] I Am Marino:
It's really naive to think full AOSP won't be available soon enough.
[Nexus 4 General] :
I'd bet its some legal nonsense with releasing Qualcomm sources or some licensing issues, hence why he can't comment, when you're involved in a case your not allowed to divulge details until its been settled, I expect they will release soon but this makes me glad I'm too broke to pay the shipping costs and am forced to wait till end month
[Nexus 4 General] iconoclastnet:
If that's the situation, then there's no reason to get a Nexus 4 when you can have an Optimus G instead.

Ok, that might be a slight exaggeration until the boot loader is cracked, but otherwise it's all the goodness of a (theoretically non-aosp) Nexus 4 but with better storage capacity and lte.

I'm still hoping they sort this out quickly so the Nexus 4 doesn't become the new Honeycomb, a preview of cool stuff you can't really play around with until the following generation. If that happens, then we may as well start hoping for a breakthrough on an Optimus G bootloader crack.

So, any bets on which will happen first, asop support or available stock for purchase?
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Price, and there is an official vanilla ROM, where at best the the OG you'll be getting ports.

And I am absolutely certain we will get AOSP support. That is the whole point behind a Nexus device. Just a matter of time.

All I was saying is that we are not worse off than any other phone, and I say better off given the price.

I'm guessing stock for purchase. If it were a quick easy resolution for AOSP I'd guess they would have it up already. But as far as stock goes, I imagine right now they are just waiting for shipments from LG factories to Google distribution centers. But I'll bet we get AOSP before the 3rd wave of N4's.
[Nexus 4 General] iconoclastnet:
If/when the bootloader is solved, I'll bet a vanilla asop/Nexus 4 based vanilla rom appears within hours.

It's true the price is better, although I'd gladly pay twice as much for a Nexus 4 with a microSD slot. Since that's not going to be an option, I'm hoping for a quick resolution to whatever issues are holding up asop support and quickly refreshed stock.
[Nexus 4 General] mark manning:
^^^^^ Listen to this wisdom. Do you really think Google is going to throw the point of the Nexus line out the window? The answer is no. I know everyone is excited and all but this is nothing more than a momentary hiccup. Chances are whatever happened that is keeping the N4 from aosp at the moment, happened very recently. Google could have decided to hold back the phone but instead they stayed true to their release date. This will all blow over as quickly as it arose. Not to sound clique but patience is a virtue.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] GR36:
Yes it is a bit of a pain

But I hasn't even bothered to unlock and root yet. Nova works now so a few customised tweaks and I am happy.
[Nexus 4 General] blackhand1001:
The bigger issue for me is googles stupid insistence on only putting chrome stock. Chrome is just absolutely atrocious. The stock browser is so much faster and is now even better in 4.2. Not to mention its way smoother and doesn't chew battery like chrome. This is an nexus device. Why isn't coming with completely stock android. I always run custom roms so it doesn't bother me but its a problem for people who don't flash. Chrome is so unsmooth and laggy. It really hurts the experience. Are they really this bad at Google that they don't realize that chrome is almost half the of the stock browser now.
[Nexus 4 General] pikachukaki:
Android is google's not samsung's or sony or htc...other manufactures can do what ever they want but google can't keep their OS closed!!we just have to wait and for now open closed released non released there are few ppl with nexus 4 so its usless to talk about it right now!!
[Nexus 4 General] rich0:
Yeah, I don't fully understand that. They could just include a script to use adb to pull the proprietary blobs off of an existing device as well, which gets around distribution issues.

However, if they think they're on the verge of getting things worked out to just distribute clean source then I'm not surprised that they just waited, rather than pushing out a bunch of hacks and then pushing out a clean solution.

I suspect that a solution is imminent - it will take days before most of us get the phones anyway (well, for the most who managed to order - for the rest likely weeks). I wasn't expecting a full CM release before I even got the phone in the mail.
[Nexus 4 General] Kenneth131:
After having most android phones and doing some work with Samsung over the years I'll throw any bit of a reputation I have on the line and say the N4 will be in aosp. Its always been the case that a new device launches and its not always in there from day one or even week one. They will add it and you will get all the lovely android updates for 2 years at least as that's the support time frame for most devices these days. So I wouldn't go on the word of the interweb the truth isn't always as it seems since most things before release cannot be discussed with the public hence why you will never get a straight yes or no answer from anyone at a company unless they are of course talking out of turn

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] EnIXmA:
I second that bro, I feel lucky to not have ordered a n4. Ordered a nexus 10 yesterday ,and am gonna wait for them to get things sorted out and release the aosp for n4.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Relax dude,

Google did a successful experiment on adding non-Nexus device (Xperia S in that case) to the AOSP.

Nexus 4 will be in AOSP.

"Can't comment on future" by JBQ means things are in a process now.