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[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
Back on topic... ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
yes sir....
[About XDA developers] TonyStark R.I.P.:
OK then egzthunder1, I was being serious
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Unfortunately the numbers make that completely unfeasible. I'd love it to be a viable option but sadly it just isn't. :(

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Just throwing ideas out about this.

Another forum I'm on makes you create a thread in the introductions forum telling about yourself. Or you can pay a buck to have complete access. It doesn't explain why when you join, but I can see that stopping spam bots. And then (I know that would be a ton of sht to wade through and read) it let's you know the guy isn't there for bs reasons.

I know the feasibility reasons against this, but something along the sorts isn't too far out of the question.
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
That's how Tech Inferno is... post 5 times, get approved, or pay...
[About XDA developers] electricsheepdreamer:
Good point here.

Alternatively you can make entire forum invisible but what's the use of it then.
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
So you are suggesting that the millions of users who want to join development should pay before joining? Not everyone has credit card you know, nor do many come from a situation where they can easily pay some money just to join a site

"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -Gertrude Stein
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
Yet they had hundreds of $$$ for a device...
[About XDA developers] electricsheepdreamer:
I have many more for donating devs through PayPal links.
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
Not necessary that they bought it themselves nor is it necessary that they bought it with credit cards and such.

"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -Gertrude Stein
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
Even though it is only a dollar, it's just something that would drive users away like crazy. I would never have joined this forum if I had to pay to use it, I'd just lurk around and download ROMs. It would stop spammers, but it would also stop contributing users. That site you mentioned is a great example, when you showed it to me and I checked it out, I was ready to stop the registration when I saw you had to pay to access some of the forums, I only continued out of curiosity because I couldn't read anything at all without registering. I wouldn't want XDA to be like that.
[About XDA developers] boborone:
I'm not sure you read the whole comment I made. And it was just saying how another site I'm works.
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
I know.I was just saying how such an idea would be infeasible in a site like xda

"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -Gertrude Stein
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Or you can start a thread introducing yourself. And I said I see the feasability problems with it. Just throwing it out as something that works on another site.
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
That's true, but I can still see it driving away users just having the option to pay to get instant access.
[About XDA developers] boborone:
It's also a buck. A buck. OR you start a thread introducing yourself. But in the case of xda, post in the OT thread "Say Hi" that MikeChannon made.

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And also xda made it to where you don't need to join to dl anything. That was implemented long ago.

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Part of the instant gratification crowd......:rolleyes:
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
I'm not saying I personally have a problem with it, I just don't think it would be good for the site. If you can still see the forums and download links, I can see that working, but I was thinking more of the other forum where you couldn't even read anything without registering. If you were linked to a random site and had to register to see anything, then you had to make a thread introducing yourself or pay to join, still just to see what was actually in the forum, would you have joined?
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Ok, really man??? A dollar. We're talking about a dollar here. If you put all the bs aside, XDA has countless threads and forums with nothing but information to better your device. I guarantee you have spent a dollar on something way less beneficial.
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Me, yea, cause I'm bored easily and like exploring and seeing new things. But the public, nah. But xda is open and free to download anything uploaded here, and it's a requirement that devs who post offsite dl links have the same. I do see what you're saying. But xda is different.
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
And what about people who don't have credit cards? People who don't have ways to pay money over the Internet? I can think of a few people on this site who have absolutely no way to pay for it.

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It is, which is why I replied like that to your idea of making it be more like the other site. I understand what you're saying too, and it makes more sense now that you've explained it.
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
Same happens to me...
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
I might have had that issue as well, I had subscribed to this thread, but I checked again because I wasn't getting any notifications and wasn't subscribed anymore.
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
It was this thread specifically...
[About XDA developers] electricsheepdreamer:
Hi, my name is Al Bundy.

I have wife and two kids.

I would like to donate to XDA as soon as they solve XDA premium issue because I can't live without that shiny star.
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
They sell reloadable cards all day long. Just about every minute-mart has one. Transferring funds electronically isn't as hard as some may think. Also, those who want something bad enough, with figure out someway to get it.
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
That's quite a lot of work just to join a forum though. Having been here for a while, I understand that it's totally worth it, but a new user? I doubt they'd be willing to go through all that.
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
Maybe then things won't be so crazy...
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Let's kick it up one more notch:

Look at the number of registered users. The funds generated by joining could fund not only site maintence but dedicated moderators as well.
[About XDA developers] boborone:
There are a few contries that Google play doesn't support and even countries like Iran that you can't get money out of for any reason because of sanctions.
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
PayPal?
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
That's true, but I'd guess the number of users registering would drop quite a bit after putting that in place, but like Quasi said, that might not be a bad thing.
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
True. But they gotta pay that phone bill every month. A one time fee for XDA would be merely a bump in the road.
[About XDA developers] jugg1es:
No money in or out of Iran period.

An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex.

Aldous Huxley
[About XDA developers] electricsheepdreamer:
Does anyone see the big picture?

You're trying to moderate how people behave today.

Well good luck with that.

There's also hard work and knowing how to deal with people as much as with 0&1s.
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Really? How do you figure?
[About XDA developers] electricsheepdreamer:
Well if you want to charge them everything and restrict access and make them feel insecure they could buy and develop for an iPhone as well.

I talk about intelligent ones.

For the other kind has anyone ever find a better solution than dealing with them one on one. And it takes skill, time and energy.

And money.

No offence please. Only trying to get the big picture.

I need to go now to work.

Regards.
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
No offense taken and I hope the same to you. That's the beauty of discussion. Its merely suggestions. Gotta start from somewhere.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
XDA U should be totally device independent. If it can run Android, it should work. We even try to avoid manufacturer specific tools where we can.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Some users have reached 1k posts in a day through spamming so I reckon any restriction needs multiple criteria.

Personally I'd rather see sensible use of search than any old use, but we need to be practical in what we do.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Ironic to see this coming from Mr Long Rap Sheet himself...

Perhaps not this account post history, but the past is interesting for you to say the least.

Please see yesterday my post listing about 20 different user suggestions we implemented... I think I smell someone here to stir...
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
That's not how it works though...

How many people commenting in this thread can assess what is feasible, secure, and sensible on a site the size of xda?

If we agree something is a good idea but it's not happened yet, either it's in progress (we work on lots behind the scenes), or it's not possible, practical or sensible to implement.

Some things which users would love would conflict with other things already in place that we cannot remove, like existing spam prevention measures.

Discussion and debate is how this needs to work, as the most popular solution isn't necessarily the best one... What if the most popular was to require verified ID to register? That's not feasible and isn't going to work with an existing user base. So no matter how popular, it just isn't practical.

We like ideas, but ultimately we can't just go adding things without looking into them fully and deeply.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Sometimes I've seen complaints we ignore ideas, and when I looked into it, they were posted on some huge thread in the middle of a random device forum... And then they wanted to know why nobody was implementing them... :p
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Making the site paid only isn't an option - why would we want to prevent people accessing the information on here?

That's quite a backward step got a site encouraging people to learn and read...

Making content hidden just makes it harder for users to search. I really think any suggestions we can take forward need to work within the current system of registering for free, and not having to register to access content.

In fact we are one of the few forums that don't need registration... Most need it for attachments... Many need it to see a user profile. Some even need it for links in posts to appear when browsing.

I'd like to think that xda is as usable as is physically possible for people who want to use the site without registering. They're the lurkers who use content without asking the silly questions! They are important as they enjoy the site, and anything must ensure they can continue to do so...

We're here to further the transfer of information, it would be wrong to go the other way...
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
I am not here to stir. This thread is good and thought it was open for debate. Thanks for the new name. Kinda catchy. But anyway. Before today I did not knew about this thread but its good to read what others suggest. And I will follow it closely. Many great ideas. Respect to you guys.

And I have used this website for a lot of reasons. I learned my way round android and it also gave me the info I needed to help others at work. Specially customers who buy android tablets. So I for one would keep XDA the way it is. Free for everyone and use the info here to better themselves.
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
I feel like if we had more dedicated moderators to follow the forums, keep the peace and make things happen, alot of this would be solved. This isn't pointing any fingers at all or at any one person. XDA is huge and the actual manpower to maintain it is easily more than most could imagine.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Possibly... But equally I don't think we want to actively moderate the site. That's just a bit far in my eyes...

React to problems of course, but I don't think we should go out actively looking for issues... I guess it's a bit like policing on the streets - I don't think we want to do routine "stop and search" on people - it is time consuming and raises tensions, and often doesn't find anything.

Whereas if you respond to incidents and catch those responsible, you need fewer people, don't need to actively monitor everything, and get more trust between the public and the "people enforcing the law".

While mods are peacemakers primarily they are also regular forum users and I think that's important. We could easily use a system that gives mods separate usernames for mod actions versus their regular interactions with users... But that reduces awareness... So it's about obtaining a happy balance.

Right now we have people walking the beat, but they're not searching you every time you leave your house... I imagine if that happened, people would get tired of it very soon...
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
I agree. But looking for trouble isn't necessary. We have a report button. Now a response to that instead of a pre-programmed reply in a reasonable time would greatly help.
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Haha this makes me smile cause for the longest time I thought Mr Clown was a fall guy account for mod actions. He was everywhere, all over the site, responding to reports and just picking the place up across all the forums. natf and Mr Clown said he was a real guy, I didn't believe em for quite some time.
[About XDA developers] luizlee86:
I have a "feature" request which I think will prevent more then one reply to the same question on threads.

I mean.. hm..

1) I press "Reply" (or quick reply wtv)

2) I'm writing the answer to help someone who posted a question

3) I may take, depending on the question, like 2 minutes to write the reply

4) But in this time, some other user already answered to that question, but I don't know

5) When I press "post" (I don't remember the exact name of that button lol), a message will appear like "While you were writing your post, someone posted in this thread"

6) I'll be taken to a page where I can still edit my post and see what other people posted while I was writing it

Sorry for this.. my english is not good..
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
Honestly, I don't see it as a problem if there's more than one answer to a thread in quick succession.

Where I feel the issue occurs is when the question has already been answered correctly (giving all relevant information) and then hours, days or even weeks later someone will post in there saying pretty much exactly the same thing.

Generally, that'll only happen from someone who is trying to get to 10 posts quicker. Proof of this can be found by looking through the threads in this very sub-forum.
[About XDA developers] sgt. slaughter:
While the report button is great, what would be better is users actually using it, and doing so for items that need our attention...far too many times issues are brought out in public and confrontational ways, as opposed to via PM or the report button...this ends up in drama and more problems every time practically.
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
People feel the need to be confrontational instead to boost their egos... I'm an offender sometimes...
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
I think part of the problem with using the report button is that it isn't available on the app, it's too much of a hassle to report the little things when you need to open it in another browser and go back to the page it was on. Having that feature would be a great addition and would probably get a lot more people to use the report button.
[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
So true. But as a user, it takes a while to see any action if needed. Or a simple explanation as to why a certain request was or was not met would help defer some of the ones that like to carry on and such. Heck, I'm guilty of that. There again, another example of more mods needed with more time invested.
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
You can switch to browser view in the app...
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
You can, but then you need to go back to the page because it puts you in the first page of the thread, then find the post and hit the report button, it would be a lot more convenient to have the feature in the app.
[About XDA developers] boborone:
Long press on the post>Open in browser> the hit report.

It also helps if you have the forum theme set to the old classic yellow theme. And set it to show 10 posts per page. That way instead of the 5 mins via mobile it takes to load the site, it takes a min or two.
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
Didn't know you could do that.
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
An auto-refresh feature would be great...

Sometimes, typing long posts take time, and it would be better if we were notified of a new post rather than look/sound like a me-too...

Or use Opera Mini. Takes 10 secs on my 2g to load new theme with 10 posts/page.
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Damn! This thread just exploded.

Original Dev and Dev discussions can be hidden?

Maybe like Gary said long back have a separate subforum for hosting finished products (currently dev forum i guess).
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
And hide OT section till they reach 10 posts..
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
I'd prefer this to happen, but I doubt it will because mods and admins have said before that they'd rather people make there first 10 posts in OT rather than device forums because it's easier to spot them and action it.
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
Well, yes, that is there too. But they could be restricted to only General and Q&A sections, while the others could be read-only..
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
An addition to this,

Every forum including Orig Dev/Discussion will be visible and searchable to a guest, but once registered it will not be visible or searchable to a new user who has less than 10 posts. He can either make 10 useful posts or go back to using it as a guest.

If he feels he's worthy enough to bypass the 10-post rule then he can fill out a form (instead of a PM) justifying it. And a full time mod(kinda like how it is now for RC applications) can be assigned to assessing such cases.

This idea is far from being perfect but it's an option?
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
The problem with that is that we'd then see even more spamming to get past that limitation.

It's a very delicate situation because the more that is done to try and stop it happening, the more it'll happen.

Obviously there was the need for the 10 post rule in the first place, otherwise the rule wouldn't exist, but look how much spamming that generates, from them not having access to one/two types of sub section. If they're limited even further, we'd see the same attempts but on a bigger scale.
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
Every possible member would then fill out the form and give the mod a bucketload of useless cases to look at. And the occasional genuine case for a person to bypass it would get lost in the huge amount of other submitted forms, and thus would not get looked at.

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Everything has its pros and cons, and well yeah, as far as the 10 post rule goes, it's been eventually concluded that any increase in the no. of posts/more limitations would increase spamming and further frustrate a genuine user/dev. So, no better alternative so far.
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
A while ago, a member was moaning about the 10 post limitation and I said that he may aswell just leave XDA then.

Extreme response? Possibly.

Valid response? Absolutely.

As I also said in my reply to him, "I don't care if you're only here to ask 1 question or if you're the next Chainfire, if you can't make/don't want to make 10 posts you shouldn't be here."

I'll always stand by that so I don't think there should ever by a situation where the 10 post rule is lifted for someone, no matter who it is.

EDIT - Therefore, in response to your post above, it shouldn't frustrate anyone because if they're a genuine dev/someone who truly wants to become a part of this community, then they should realise why the rule is there and that by simply helping a few people, they'll soon have the needed number of posts.
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
It's kinda like how it is now already, except a form instead of a PM.
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
By dedicated moderators you mean paid moderators? Or effectively, hired goons? :confused:

You guys are quick enough to complain about us, a group of people who (contrary to popular opinion) actually give a sh*t about this place and want what's best for XDA. Imagine how many complaints there'd be about a bunch of "mod by numbers" internet rent-a-cops.....

Over my cold dead body :p

Like it or not. OT<The real forums.

If ten posters and spammers naturally gravitate towards it then imo that's a good thing.
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
But they still get squished for posting in OT.

Afaik almost every new user there gets reported. Maybe after that they make useful posts :confused:
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Yeah they still have their posts removed but many people (including some in this thread) are unhappy about the unnecessary clutter in device forums yet want to encourage that by restrictions on OT for new members..... :confused:

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
Lock everything up except Q&A and tell them 'make 10 useful posts in Q&A or GTFO'.. :silly:

No seriously, Even in device forums, restrict posting and creating a thread to Q&A only, and only posting in General section before they get their 10 posts. + lock OT.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
You tend to get manual messages when you report something that's more "out of the ordinary" that needs a response. But I don't think you should expect a manual response for a spam post or something simple like that.

Much as it's not ideal, the more time spent doing "paperwork", the less time moderating...
[About XDA developers] cwhitney24:
...nice... one of your first 5 posts on this site is this? Thanks for contributing there..............

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