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[About XDA developers] SXUsr:
I'm not saying because someone doesn't own the Phone they can't be a good Mod, what I'm saying is a forum with a Moderator who actually owns the Phone would be better for reasons already stated.

I've already said "it's not about having to read every last single post made all day everyday", so we're just going round in circles here.

That's quite simple to resolve imo, a 1 week posting restriction upon registration, or at the least a few days before they're allowed to post anywhere on the site.

Perhaps a failing Global economy along with higher living costs etc might go a long way to explaining why :silly:, but take your point, although got it after my second infraction for trying to discuss it :angel:, but again I see a simple solution for that, remove the donate button and include that asking for them is against the Rules. I've seen People asking for them because "my computers broke", or and from People with under 10 posts who have just reposted an existing solution in a new thread, so there seems to be an assumption that you can profit here just for being helpful, never mind having actually released something that took hours of work to complete.
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
That idea, although it MAY work for the masses, would then prevent those people who find this site while trying to solve a problem of theirs and then make a legitimate post on here. Even if they're only here to ask 1 question and then we never see them again, it's still preventing those types of people.

I've made a similar point before so I can see where you're coming from.

I suggested that unless someone can prove that they have theming or developing skills, then the donate button shouldn't be allowed.

The general consensus between the other RCs who replied was that none of us are forced to click the button so it's not a problem. If we feel that someone's help or work is good enough to donate to them, then we can feel free to do so. We can simply ignore those who have the donate button with no real need.

I can now totally understand and agree with that reason, but the fact still remains that I wouldn't set up a donate button unless I had put a hell of a lot of work into it and money aswell.
[About XDA developers] TonyStark R.I.P.:
I tend to think it has as much to do with the carriers, as it does the manufacturers.

I have been involved w/ the SGS3 section since that day it went on-line. Separating the models/carriers had to be done. Folks that new no better, were bricking phones faster then Samsung could pump them out:eek:

While it comes down to reading... I still see a straggler, at least once a day, attempting to flash the wrong "x,y,z" before realizing they are in the wrong section. My favorite comment when making one realize they are in the wrong section is, "dude, can you link me to the right section"... Like I'm a switchboard operator:cool:
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
You are partly right here - carriers are a huge factor too... But samsung just panders to them, rather than telling them where to go... They are in a position where users want specific samsung phones, and I reckon should be seeking certain things from the carriers they choose to supply.

Shake up the power balance etc :)

Regarding the split, yes it is necessary as you said and it won't change back for that very reason.

I despair at people so clueless as to go flashing stuff not even for their device...
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Actually from my records I looked at earlier, I think it was a ban for re-adding them because you didn't agree they were spammy redirect referral links, and as I didn't respond within about 20 minutes, you decided to just re-add them. Nonetheless the rule was there and you'd ignored it etc.

That's the past anyway. While the global economy issues are perhaps a factor, arguably that also reduced the money entering the donation pool people spend surely?

We have talked about this before, as the original XDA didn't allow any donate links. Often people were modifying proprietary Microsoft stuff and didn't want to make tracing them easier.

Anyway the decision was made to allow a small donation link. I have a hobby of finding and removing obnoxiously sized or styled ones, or excessive numbers of them. I don't think it's right to prevent people from donating if they choose, but it is wrong to deliberately interfere in others browsing to add paid referral links to your posts, deliberately - this is a hobby, it isn't here to pay you at the end of the day.

Massive blanket posting restrictions will just result in 10,000 technical fault reports per week. So that's not really feasible.

It would be nice to have a mod who owns the device, I don't disagree. But most of the time it isn't practical. Particularly as some mods prefer to moderate in areas they don't have other ties to. It assists in being impartial as well.
[About XDA developers] Stryke_the_Orc:
I don't know how possible it is, but if new users weren't able to post until they've read the stickies for said device/forum, I think that would alleviate a good portion of the frustration for both the developers and the users. This would (hopefully) have users potentially answer their question(s) before posting.
[About XDA developers] AndroidGraphix:
Inverted thread theme would be nice.
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way that could really happen because there's no proof they've actually read it.

Even if a quiz had to be answered correctly to move out of that 'stage', the members could quite easily just navigate to the relevant section to find the answer, without actually reading.
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
I second this one.
[About XDA developers] flastnoles11:
I've made plenty of mistakes in my life, but have never made any with my $300+ device because I read and then read some more before messing with things that could render my device useless. It is painfully obvious the ones who didn't bother to read anything and just started flashing, I have no sympothy for those kinds of people... (but the sap I am, I still try to help them when I can)
[About XDA developers] electricsheepdreamer:
Oh, I read (wrong stuff as well) and made those expensive ones, and with my car :), and I smoke and my doctor is still there but I treat him politely and with respect because he deserves it ;) (I don't blame him for my foolishness)
[About XDA developers] undercover:
With all due respect, handling of noobs is on topic and falls under suggestions. I guess we could start a different thread on how we, users, can make this place better?
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Point well made, posts restored

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[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Oh, we can do it easily... I could write it in minutes.

What I mean is that blanket posting restrictions generate more user queries and complaints that need to be sifted to find the valid ones.

We already get more than enough from people due to the ten post rule. Imagine if we made that wider reaching!

Anything we consider implementing needs to be a solution that won't increase the amount of confused people contacting us because they can't post where they want to... Even the floating banner as a new user doesn't do that, with bright red text that follows you round the site until you understand it...
[About XDA developers] Simply_Android:
@pulser_g2 , a awesome android developer was banned awhile back, can we get him back, Android_isda_****, please i beg =D
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
If he was banned, he was banned for a reason and he would need to appeal the ban.

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[About XDA developers] boborone:
Something has been going on to users who use chrome. Constantly having to log back in.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Not me. Chrome always logged in.

Guy above said he uses some no java script. Maybe the reason?

Welcome to Anonymous Nooboholics. My name is tinky.
[About XDA developers] boborone:
I haven't found any constant with this. I use adblock. Some use adblock plus. Some use noscript. Some have no extensions at all. It did it before the chrome update a couple days ago, and it continues after. I have set to remember my username/password. And the site's remember me box checked. I've cleared cache and cookies. Disabled extensions. Nothing I have found works. Some have posted that changing the forum theme fixes it, which leads me to think it's a site issue. Thing with me is, the fix is to change it to the beta theme. I've been on that theme for some time now. So I'm at a loss.

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
I have never been timed out using chrome. I also use adblock. So it must be something else
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
I actually did have a chrome issue a few days ago, but it seemed to have gone away. It acted as if a browser cookie would just get lost somehow. I'd click a thread to read new posts (would only take a minute or so) and then when I clicked "USER CP" at the top I'd be at the main forum screen logged out and even the theme reset to whatever is default. (I normally use the 2010 theme)

It was pretty frequently happening for a few days and just as suddenly the problem went away. I had just assumed that you guys were working on the website or backend db server.
[About XDA developers] MikeChannon:
XDA-U is additional to this site, so this site will continue as before. Drop pulser_g2 a PM about it because it is still being developed.

Re the timeouts / log outs. It does not seem to affect every User, but it has been a problem for some. We have people looking into why this is happening, but it's not just a simple setting change. Sorry for the inconvenience. I have been told that refreshing the page will display the page again without the log in box. Though if you have just typed a long post, you might want to copy it to memory in case it gets lost before being posted.

Mike
[About XDA developers] boborone:
To add to the chrome issue:

One thing I have found, if on the beta theme, the log out issue seems to happen more if you click the forum button. Even when on the portal, I can see my PMs in the box, but click on forums and I have to log in. When in forum, if I click the forum button to refresh my subscribed threads, I need to log in, but if I click the subscribed tab, it refreshes no problem.

Seems to linked to the forum button itself. At least for me.

Did bitpusher change any code sometime around Wednesday?

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[About XDA developers] garyd9:
(any sarcasm in this post is probably intentional to make the point.)

Why do we have an "Off Topic" subforum, but also have "[OFFICIAL]Off Topic" threads in nearly every single device's "general" subforum?

Anything having to do with a given device in a general subforum would be on topic, so I'm guessing that all the posts in those "[OFFICIAL]Off Topic" threads are related to something completely different and would be better in the "Off Topic" subforum (which, I guess, isn't official even though it's the only thing officially existing.)

Those "[OFFICIAL]" strings in those off topic threads not in the official subforum are also probably misleading. They imply that the XDA Administration has sanctioned those threads to not only exist in the device subforums, but that they are the only place to discuss things off topic officially. That would mean any other off topic discussion is occurring unofficially - including the off topic banter in the official Off Topic subfoum.

I think I'm now [OFFICIALLY] confused unofficially.

The point here is: Unless it actually is "official", those [OFFICIAL] strings in thread subtitles is misleading. I'd suggest that those are cleaned up by [OFFICIAL] [Moderators] of [XDA] :angel:

Take care

Gary
[About XDA developers] Jonny:
This worked for me on all of the three different computers I use, thanks :)
[About XDA developers] boborone:
The actual forum button is the constant I've found. Everything else seems fine.
[About XDA developers] LordManhattan:
Regarding the "Thanksgate";

I have a solution. Let's bribe a weak moderator (a small Hyundai should do it) and move all the popular threads in Off-Topic to the "General" section. I know, it's genius and it can't go wrong. I guess i should post this in a place where no mod can read it, but apparently i'm not that smart, so sorry guys, i blew it!

Back to the drawing board...
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
This is all regarding the "10 posters" and the use of the off-topic forum.

From when garyd9 said that certain rules are fairly vague, another point which proves that fairly well is 10 posters in the off-topic sub-forum.

From what a lot of moderators and admins have said in the past, they'd rather a new user spams their first 10 posts in off-topic so that they're not filling up the device forums with crap. - Now, I can understand that fully because even if they haven't got access to a development thread yet, they can still fill up the device forum with crap by posting throughout the General and Q&A forums instead. Preferring them to spam away their first 10 posts in off-topic would, for the most part, stop that happening.

With that being said, why is there still a stickied thread in off-topic saying that users can post over there in an attempt to gain their first 10 posts?

How can moderators enforce that people use off-topic to make the spam posts, aswell as enforcing that users don't post in off-topic in a means to access development threads quicker?

That clearly shows that the same rule is being actioned differently dependant on the situation at hand.

I'm not saying that mods shouldn't suggest for users to use off-topic. I'm also not saying that the rule about 10 posters in off-topic shouldn't be there.

I'm simply saying that something should be changed because how can new users be expected to follow forum rules if the same isn't clear enough for them to be enforced properly by moderators and admins?
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
I gotta say, if you're trying to reduce the number of...unnecessary posts, I'm having a hard time connecting spamming off topic to get to ten posts with gaining good relevant content from people. I never encourage off topic, I always encourage getting someone.
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
The way I see it working is that people spamming for 10 posts are already breaking the rules no matter what forum. 10 posts spammers in OT get their posts removed just like any other forum. They aren't saying spamming for 10 posts in OT is allowed or accepted, just that it's a better alternative to forcing them to go to device forums and spam there. I disagree with the idea of OT being the so called "trash bin" of XDA that's supposed to round up all useless spam posts, I'm just trying to explain the idea behind it.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
I would go one further tbh. I've never been a fan of the OT forums. Yes, they serve a purpose and supposedly remove a lot of the trash from device forums, but I'm yet to see one thread worth reading in the OT forums. Yes, the ORD was fun at the start, but tbh, I just avoid the OT forum. Sadly, or maybe good for us, a lot of people spend their whole time in the OT forum

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[About XDA developers] MikeChannon:
Indeed this is correct.

Spamming 10 posts is not acceptable anywhere including OT. All we say is that if you really can't thing of sensible things to post elsewhere, or answers that you can give in Q&A then you will find threads in OT that are easy to contribute to. It does not mean folk are allowed to go to OT to post stupid stuff like "here is my first post", here is my second post" etc. My usual answer to folk is that we expect someone with developer level knowledge, should be well able to help answer a few Member's questions on the way to the Development forum, but if not contribute sensibly to OT threads.

I agree though that it is not working well, in that the 10 post rule is not teaching good habits and it is spoiling OT which used to be a good place to relax with social stuff and good quality humor.

Mike
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
I'm not saying that mods really encourage people posting in OT and don't go as far as to advise it to people, but from posts from mods in the old 'requests to mods and admins' thread, some mods had stated that they'd rather users make 10 posts in OT rather than device forum. Whether mods had actually said that directly to users, I have no idea.

Yeah it's a better alternative, but there's no need for the specific sticky in OT if spamming 10 posts isn't allowed on any part of the forum anyway.

Here's one :p

But if a new user will, in a lot of cases, have their posts removed from OT, then they'll end up going back to the device forums anyway. This is why the 10 post rule is kind of inconsistent.
[About XDA developers] prototype7:
Honestly I don't see why they have to have a specific purpose. It's just a fun, relaxed place for people that have some similar interests to hang out. I would also disagree with there being no threads worth reading in there, while there are a few pointless ones there are also a few gems in the rough that are fun to look over and participate in sometimes. Since we mostly want people to be talking strictly development and questions in device forums, it makes sense to me to have a forum for people to just hang out with the great people they meet here.

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It's a tough question, and I think the 10 post rule in general isn't very effective, in my opinion we need something a little more strict for access to the development forums.
[About XDA developers] undercover:
Well, apparently 10 thanks rule was being discussed, any news on that?

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[About XDA developers] prototype7:
That might not be a bad idea, but I'd make it at least 20. 10 is just too easy to get, the people allowed to post in development forums should have to contribute just a little bit before getting access.
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Or create another account and ask for the original to be unbanned..... :rolleyes:

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[About XDA developers] _Variable:
Hey all,

What about a mobile site for those who have a unknown os phone like webos or blackberry or even symbian.

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Android 4.0.4 ICS

Sun Cellular

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Absolutely worst decision ever made on XDA. You guys really put alot of effort and research into coming to a decision like that.
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
Even though I generally don't like the idea of device OT threads being in the off-topic forum, as stated by a previous post of mine in here, you could always PM one of your FSMs and ask them if they'll move it to off-topic.

A post such as what you made in your devices OT thread really won't help matters in the slightest though.

"I don't care if you're the next Chainfire or just some random spammer. If you can't make 10 posts, you shouldn't be on XDA."
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Wow, bit of a delayed reaction there.... :p

That's what the off topic forum is for. I'd give you directions but I'm pretty sure you know where it is. :D;)

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Delayed is the approach that was pursued and lazy were the efforts invested in the decision.

As for sending a PM to a mod, we are so far out in the woods that the mods don't even bother. We keep to ourselves and don't want the kids and craziness found in the "Off Topic" forums.

Regardless my efforts are useless here.

A toast from my Gnex aboard the Satisfaction!
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
This decision is nothing new and has happened umpteen times before in several different fora, the only difference now is with mods handling groups of devices the change has been made in bulk.

Not sure what you mean by being out in the woods.... :confused:

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[About XDA developers] Zephyr!:
How about having a feature to edit profile details in XDA application?

Press the thanks button :)

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Meaning, we had no complaints to a mod or even seem where a mod had even stumbled across our thread. No kids and rarely had new people comment. We minded our own business and didn't cause any trouble. If any of "our mods" had read into the thread, they could have easily seen what was going on there.

I wouldn't have as big of an issue with it had any of the mods that were supposedly assigned to our forum were around more. But then again we are nearly no - maintenance, so that's probably why we never see a mod around. We had no clue this was coming or would have mentioned something long before now.

A toast from my Gnex aboard the Satisfaction!
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Funny, the name of the thread is recommendations/feedback. You state this is the worst decision ever made, yet you offer no explanation, reasons or alternatives. It is people like you (imo) who are the thorn of XDA. You criticize without any reasoning or explanation. If you want to talk OT, go to the Off Topic forum

Your efforts are not useless. If you contact a mod he/she should have the common decency to respond to you. If they don't, let me know

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Why don't you talk to your assigned group of mods, maybe PM there Team Leader. Communicating with them may help. Not all teams have removed OT from their forums. If you have enough peoples objecting to this, they may consider. But what is the main issue, that you no longer have a place to talk OT? What is wrong with your thread being moved to the OT forum?

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Because you know as well as I do what goes on there. We don't have that and don't care for it. Our Off Topic actually serves a purpose instead of trolling, random pics, please be in my club.... The list goes on. We've got over 7,000 posts to back it up.

A toast from my Gnex aboard the Satisfaction!

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The first part of your post is merely an opinion. What I did got an almost immediate response. Had I sent a PM, who know when it would have been answered.

A toast from my Gnex aboard the Satisfaction!
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Then talk to your dedicated mods. One OT thread may be allowed

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Thank you sir.

A toast from my Gnex aboard the Satisfaction!
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
True, it got a response, but for the wrong reasons

As for PM's, I answer all that I receive, as should all mods unless they saw it, meant to reply, but forgot as they were busy or offline for a while. Even so, if a mod blatantly ignores you, let me know

I wouldn't thank me, they (your assigned group mods) may refuse

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[About XDA developers] tallyforeman:
Regardless of what they say, everyone here responded in a professional manner and a timely fashion.

A toast from my Gnex aboard the Satisfaction!