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[About XDA developers] boborone:
@Pulser

How have, if it's happened, talks on a security forum for xda gone?

I still think that opening such a section could be done without making it a malware resource for script kiddies. Think of this, how many people do you know who actually know how to look for an exploit to root an android device? I don't know many. One hand counts usernames that I know. Now how many people do you know who can look at code, understand it, and modify it? For me, too many to even think of a number. Just that right there could open up the door of possibilities for new guys to come in and learn and help out lesser known devices.

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This forum (http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=709) had a town hall meeting on Dec 15 2010, iirc, that had tons of ideas thrown out to help the place when the first galaxy phone came out and it's forum was flooded with noobs. I can't find it now, may have been deleted, but if it's in the trash, can you still bring it up? I think it would be worth a good read to things still prevalent today.
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
Kind of off-topic, but not really...

I'm finally starting a "how to" for kernel building. This is the type of thread I'd LOVE to see more of here on XDA. It's the kind of thread that we really need more of.

The problem is that, at least to begin with, I don't want anyone other than myself to reply in the thread. Until it gets to a certain point (which might take me a couple days based on feedback) it really isn't interactive.

Is there a way for me to lock this thread, then unlock it when I want to add a segment, and lock it again after each of my own posts?

Perhaps a way so that if someone (other than the OP) replied to this type of thread, the reply ALWAYS goes to a designated "companion" thread? (That would be PERFECT for many release notice type threads as well...)

Take care

Gary
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
Rd's can lock and unlock their own threads ;)

For the rest, the way is to pm a mod...

The other part is interesting but not feasible...

If the dev thread is locked, and there is a support thread open, people will have to post in the support thread only (because they have no other choice)

And since feedback is not deemed necessary till OP is in progress, there is no point of a support thread...

"By the power vested in me, I now pronounce you, Man and Knife"
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
Oh, I guess I should have waited a few days before starting that thread then. Currently I'm at the "sent to DC member for review" stage. I guess I'll deal with it for a couple days and if the DC bounces my app, I'll just annoy the moderators to lock/unlock for each addition. I wish I'd have thought of that BEFORE posting that first post.
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
In the meantime, you could put up a disclaimer in the beginning telling people not to reply in the topic...

After a couple of replies (they will reply no matter how many times you tell them not to), you can report the first reply and request mod to clean up all the posts after that...

Works for me atleast :)

"By the power vested in me, I now pronounce you, Man and Knife"
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
I can assure you I for one don't mind doing this at all.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
I don't think there should be an issue with you getting it...
[About XDA developers] mfsr98:
I agree with this too. Sometimes users are so fast they put a post in the middle of your first posts, when you are still reserving them :mad:
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Their town hall meeting is http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=871476 if you're interested. It's still there and visible.

@boborone, will look into security forum issue, please remind me.

@garyd, the only reason I suggested PM/email was just to make sure I don't forget to check back here, as I'm pretty busy of late. I'll try to catch up just now on this thread though.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Yes, that post remains in my sig, and will do so :)

I was involved in the selection of the ERDs actually, and let's say there was a LOT of thought put into it :)
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
If you'd like a look at XDA-U, drop me a PM or email please, and I'll give you details to get into the site and have a look.

I'm actually thinking (if I can find the time) to make a new thread on my new phone's forum, called the "I want to change something with my ROM, without flashing a stupid custom ROM" thread, where the patches and METHODS for changing things are posted. Sure there can be pre-built output for when you quickly need to test something, but you can also get the raw patch or change, to replicate in future...

Your documentation effort sounds good, and there's some stuff in XDA-U that could benefit from your additions if you were interested. It might also give you a starting point for the basic parts...

I like the part about WHY, as nobody does that... And precisely right RE the mykewlrom and the donation business.

You're partly right, but there's loads of people who'd LIKE to learn some development basics, and that's why XDA-U ended up starting :)
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
I don't want to address the top point quite yet, but I've heard it, and we've all heard it! :)

XDA-U is about sharing the thinking, and if you wanted to get involved then just shout and I'll get you into the wordpress :)

You're spot on about donations, and we do have what we THINK are fairly OK-ish rules for donations... The issue is that it's so difficult to get compliance with ANYTHING across a site this size - frankly we cannot possibly deal with the reports of "asking" for donations with ~5m members (let's say 1% are active, that's still 50k people!) I'd like to see the requesting removed, that's been noted by me :) (I do love my new note2 for taking notes while working here)
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
See your PMs.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Sounds like you want to be involved in XDA-University (aka XDA-U)? :)

That's our new learning resource for everything Android :) If you're interested, drop me a PM and I'll get you in.

EDIT in response to EDIT :

If it's wiki stuff, one of the mods, or TheManii can assist on the wiki. The wiki is vastly under-used, and in fact we're going to be doing to big push for XDA-U. PM me or email me (pulser_at_xda-developers.com) and I'll let you in over there... That's our big new resource for learning about Android and development.

It's a new project, it needs a lot of work, but it will be worth it in the end!
[About XDA developers] byte_rider:
Thanks for the answer. Before going on I must add this to my critics:

1. It is really really really annoying, that my session end after short time of inactivity. Actually I am active, writing something and when I submit it, the session has already been terminated. Excuse me, but that sucks. I think other have criticised that before me, have to look up. Is that because of resource consumption or for security reasons? I think the idle time is much too short.

2. I am browsing with no-script plugin, so most of the JavaScript is disabled. I can accept that JavaScript can be very useful, but why it is sometimes needed for things like login or simply to list search results, which can be accomplished without JavaScript. I can see no advantage of doning that with JavaScript or AJAX. No byte is being saved by using such tequniches for processing data that would be process in any case. Even if I activate JS for some domains there issues like periodically page reloading.

In combination this leads to people (like me) writing answers (like this) which get simply lost (like a few moments ago) and all has to be written again. Shame on me, to forget to copy the text before submitting just one time.

I guess this is ready to use portal solution, so this might not be your design decision, but I just felt that this has to be said to satisfy my conscience. ^^

Back to where we were:

My situation is this: I've got a HTC Touch Diamond which is currently unused and I would ike to make something useful (e.g. a WLAN repeater) with it or to do some experiments like running Backtrack on it.

As I am not very experienced at smartphone hacking stuff, I needed to learn. But that was not easy, because information is spread over multiple places, partially outdated and incomplete (not only at this site). So I wanted to give the community something back and 1. give a feedback on that problems and 2. to improve the situation by documenting what I have learned so far.

I can not promise that I keep engaging in the smartphone topic in the future at that level.

What about the XDA-U project? It is not publicly availible at the moment,right? And how does it compare to this site? Will this site beeing closed when XDA-U is ready? And is XDA-U limited to Android? Because I think, that not the only interesting OS for mobile devices.

I prefered answering here, because the answer might be interesting for other users, too. If you think it should not be public, you can send me a PM.

P.S. This time a copied the text. ;)
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
I never time out...why do you? It's got to be something in your set up.
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Lol after all that is done who is going to review those answers and sign them up!

Assuming it involves typing the answer in a text box rather than selecting a particular radio button for the answers, which would then be very simple.
[About XDA developers] garyd9:
A suggestion:

An Admin to create a new thread alongside this one dedicated to discussing alternatives to the 10 post rule....

The 10 post rule subject comes up OFTEN in this thread (and many others.) The Admin have already basically said that it's not going away unless and until a better idea comes along. (I see at least once every 2 weeks that the statement is made in this thread.)

Personally, I don't think the 10 post rule is having the intended effect, but it's better than nothing, and I can't think of any BETTER solutions. However, with a dedicated thread, people could come up with ideas while other people poke holes in those ideas. Maybe, eventually, the collective membership of XDA could work out something. Perhaps not.

Take care

Gary
[About XDA developers] Jonny:
I have a suggestion to deal with spammers.

Is there any vb plugin that compares user IP upon registration with a database of known spammers? If something like this isn't implemented it would be very useful to have...
[About XDA developers] jugg1es:
I think the ten post rule is good and achieves a lot, the problem comes from enforcing the theory behind it, moderators on device threads can spot ten posters quickly and deal appropriately, ot is more difficult. Why not lock out ot until you have ten posts like the dev threads

An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex.

Aldous Huxley
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
Box answers only..Not typing them in

That is why I told in the original post to go with more 'common' that would be easy to answer for devs but hard enough for new users

"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -Gertrude Stein
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
even if someone fakes the IP address and uses a proxy the admins on this site are not stupid....they can easily spot a puppy account....Like i said i have seen this happen...:o

yes some ideas should be ignored depending on how stupid the idea is...not saying all ideas should be taken into consideration... but i have seen some were members have made some valuable ideas here on a few occasions were other members would have welcomed them were your moderation crew only to brush them away...

anyways i do have a suggestion....open a poll...put some ideas there and see which ones users want and prefer to see implemented on xda...you guys want our ideas to help out so why not take some of the ideas already put on the different threads you guys opened and let the users vote..the one with the most votes should be implemented
[About XDA developers] il Duce:
Some ideas (ones wanted by the users) simply aren't logical, no matter how popular they are. This thread isn't here to find the most well received ideas but to review an idea that's proposed, discuss it's benefits and logistics, and then if it still makes sense try to figure out its implementation.
[About XDA developers] ypnos42:
cuipati him

Thanks for your reply and suggestion to write a pm. I'm posting here to discuss an adverse effect your policy can have to users that in fact want to contribute and may be deterred by the rules. The message I got when I wanted to post was a big "you are not wanted here". I think its the wrong signal sent.

Not everybody has time to work himself up in parts of the forum he is not interested in. It is not that I feel being better than anybody there or would not like to talk to them or help anybody out. I just don't have so much time for this hobby and I rather use it creating something, or discussing topics that I am interested in.

I really love Prawesome's idea as a person that is affected by your policy.

1. It is a hurdle I can manage at one time and then directly continue posting.

2. Maybe I can even learn something from the questionaire bc I have to do some research.

3. Finishing it is rewarding. (Not so much for trying to get a number of posts up, which kind of feels like spamming, or writing to a MOD, which feels like bugging someone)

4. If someone really wants to post something stupid/misplaced in a dev thread, having to fill this out makes him think twice, even if he can answer all questions instantly. So they can be fairly basic.
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Message clear captain :p. Anyways I can debate about this all day but message clear. But I love this thread and many great people here providing viable suggestions. Keep it up
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
Well, we are asking for ideas not decisions... I think that is the key difference. Wanting to see something implemented is very different from actually getting it to a working state, especially if the idea itself is not feasible. Plus, who would deem what ideas to put up in the polls? Us? Then 1.5 weeks from now we would be back here listening to accusations about how we don't take ideas into consideration...

Please, just stop it already. If an idea is no longer discussed, it is more than likely that it wasn't feasible in the first place. But in order to reach that conclusion, it had to be put up for consideration. End of story.

And yes... we can spot fake/multiple accounts with ease, right Goku80? :p
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Waaa hold your horses cowboy. Just making a discussion like everyone else here. Again what's wrong with that. Are we not allowed now. And yes like I said. Admins on here are good spotting that. :p;)

All I am saying is when people put ideas through you guys tend not to take them under consideration from when I was reading back in the day. Anyways good ideas here and it makes good reading. And some very good people here.

:D

And we have a very good admin in Mike Channon. He can smell a puppy from a mile away.
[About XDA developers] electricsheepdreamer:
Can you spot a server related issue that keeps XDA premium app unsuscribing threads after a few posts? And it is not Tapatalk issue because it happens in Firefox and Internet Explorer. And it is a mirror of the future of XDA IMHO although OP explicitely says not to discuss it. So let's discuss how many posts poor noob has to post. I say 14.

@ Gary:thumbup:
[About XDA developers] K.A.:
10 is fine.

Increasing would lead to more spam from noobs and more frustration for the people that can talk sense.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
If I am totally honest, I don't think upping the 10 post requirement will change anything but turn those we won't to attract, away. No matter what we do, spammers will do whatever it takes so they can spam. The ones we want to attract will get frustrated and leave. These users are the future devs, and we'd simply lose them.

IMHO, we need a combination.......something like post count plus thanks or as Gary said below, post count plus using search at least once. Though, if I am honest, it is really easy to do a meaningless search to bypass this requirement

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
This in itself it not feasible as just because an idea is popular, doesn't mean it will work

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[About XDA developers] Goku80:
True. But then the poll will be ideas that you guys have been discussing here and ideas that have been discussed through out this thread. Anyways. Was just a suggestion. :)
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
Do the mods for each forum typically get chosen for that forum becuase they own the device?
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
No, this would mean the less popular threads maybe wouldn't have any suitable mods. All mods are vetted and assigned forums at random. Also, we want mods to be able to mod all forums, if they simply modded their own device forum they wouldn't exactly be learning anything new, plus maybe wouldn't be able to help others out in other forums. Personally, I feel it's best they do not mod their own device forum for various reasons. Say I got an S3 and started using a particular devs rom/app. I would start to think favourably of them and may let them get away with a few misdemeanours. This is not acceptable. We have to remain impartial and gain experience working on all forums no matter what the OS (android, microsft etc). IMHO, a good mod can moderate any device forum, it's all down to experience

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[About XDA developers] garyd9:
Yes, but if they are required to at least use the search function once, then it'll give people a higher octane fuel for their flame throwers when that person obviously hasn't searched before posting in a dev section. ;)

Less sarcastically, I happen to know that some newbies actually never realized how flexible the 'search' functionality is. As they never were forced to use it, they never knew they could search only a thread, or only a section, etc.

So, not knowing that, they might search the entire forum for "device lock up rom 2.5" and get thousands of completely useless hits. If they'd known to search only the thread for the particular firmware, however, they might get a result from the firmware dev saying "version 2.5 has a bug causing device lock ups - go back to rom 2.3 until I fix it."

On the other hand, some people are so clueless that you could type the search for them, email them a direct link, and stick a billboard 2 inches from their nose and they still would post a new message. For those, nothing can be done.
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
I see your point... Reason I ask, is because I used to be a mod on M3, it's modmymobile.com now, a dead site... But anyways... Mods typically got assigned to forums they owned the device, to be able to help out, create guides, point people in the right direction, etc...

I don't wanna really comment on the people will do what they will do, because not much is gonna change that...

Sometimes I'll go look for something I've gone and got several times and I just can't find it... Possibly it's information overload... While things are organized nicely already, and someone who's been here for a while has no problems navigating and finding what they need, it's probably a lot more difficult for a newer user...

So on the old site I was on, Mods owned the device, moderated that forum, as in organization, helping, etc, but could also moderate site-wide... I'm not saying that should be done, but I think the organization could be better... Usually when a device comes out, a forum gets created, and it's organizational structure gets formed by the user and RC's... Just people trying to help, or stay busy, etc... and a lot of times it can end up in disorganization...

Could RC's possibly be givien minor mod privaledges to help with that?
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
RC's will not be given mod privileges...... Period

I do however understand your concern, but we have recently reshuffled how moderation is done on XDA. It is now by a team of fsm's lead by a Team Leader who is generally a Senior Moderator or admin, and this team moderates by carrier/location.......and generally speaking most (or at least a good few) of each team own devices in their allocated forums..... Which should help

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[About XDA developers] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Would it be possible to control the image size in a sig?
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
I see no reason why not tbh........ I will ask how feasible this is

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[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
Here's another suggestion... Just like I can't see the RC's or MOD's forums, could the site be modified so that a new user just cant see regular OT or development forums? They appear after the requirements are met...

EDIT-NVM that won't work.. they cant get roms... I dunno man... seems kinda like yall got your hands full...
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Oooooh, I like that....... Will see how easy it is to set up

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[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
I don't really think it's the size that is an issue, my sig pic is max size, but 5 pics all max size is an issues...

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They can't get ROMs if Dev is hidden... defeats the point of them coming here... But maybe for OT...
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
True, but I do like the idea of hiding other forums until they reach a certain requirement

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[About XDA developers] Goku80:
Isn't that the whole point of ten posts though. Users although they can see the forum they can not participate. So why not just increase the number of posts required by a user to post in certain forums.
[About XDA developers] TonyStark R.I.P.:
Quasi I'm talking more about stuff like this

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[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
It would take some serious sig code and multiple pics to have that in your sig... max is 500 x 100
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
As previously said, if we increase the post count we will just drive away normal users who get frustrated. These users could've been the future devs of XDA. Raising the post count will not affect spammers as they will do whatever it takes to spam

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[About XDA developers] boborone:
That's about the size of goku's above you.

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That's only if you use sigpic tags for the image. But if you use img tags, you can have whatever you want.
[About XDA developers] AtoZ0to9:
@Fallen_Sparten

Have you ever heard of a forum called Tech Inferno?

Once joining, you can post, but your first 5 posts don't show up until a mod has approved them... and once 5 have been approved, then you can post freely and download...
[About XDA developers] Goku80:
oh how nice that my posts get deleted but when it comes to picking on me regarding my sig no one does anything as per usual
[About XDA developers] egzthunder1:
CAN YOU CUT IT OUT ALREADY?!?!

Edit: I erased all the banter regarding the signatures....

FFS PEOPLE! Enough already... jeez