yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Formhault:
Alright. This has gone waaaaaaaaay too far.

@ those who claim this app is useless / a scam / harmful and @ those who scream because this app did not add 4 extra physical Cakes Production Unit`s as they expected... I'm gonna say this, AGAIN. And I have the feeling that I'll have to make a copy of this and re-post it every few pages :rolleyes: .

Galaxy Note powered by a Exynos 4210 dual-core A9 CPU @ 1.4 GHz and 1 GB of RAM. READ IT WITH BOTH OF YOUR EYES !

CPU @ 1.4 GHz max w/ Ondemand governor + Seeder Entropy Generator ON = BETTER experience than with CPU @ 1.6 GHz max w/ Performance governor + Seeder Entropy Generator OFF.

So, if all this app did was to scale the CPU to the maximum frequency... turning it (it = the app, obviously) on should not have deployed better performance in comparision with the case where I manually turned the CPU to the maximum frequency. GET IT?!

Anyone have any complaints? Yes? Keep them for yourself. Stop with all these "ths app no work halp m my parrot died" and "how do me installeng una appliktion?!" posts. If you're silly enough not to know how to install a simple application or READ SOME FREAKIGN INSTRUCTONS, you should not be here, wielding an Android device!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] a-id:
This must be repeated every page...

Отправлено с моего GT-I9000 через Tapatalk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Formhault:
I won't be able to be here & repost that every page, since this thread grows with ~1 page every two hours now. I think it grows by 5 pages every hour at evening (GMT+2) :) .
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] TheJH:
Instead of this seeder app, you should also be able to circumvent issues with blocking reads from /dev/random like this:

mount -o remount,rw /system
umask 022
cat > /system/etc/init.d/01no_blocking_rand
#!/system/bin/sh
cp -s /dev/urandom /dev/random
[press CTRL+D here]
chmod +x /system/etc/init.d/01no_blocking_rand

Then reboot.

This should have the advantage that it doesn't waste CPU time.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Formhault:
For the record, Quadrant sucks. Any benchmark does, in fact - to some extent, at least.

In Quadrant, my HTC EVO 3D would score better than the Motorola ATRIX, but would suck at overall performance during general tasks & gaming, while the Motorola ATRIX (which scored less than the HTC EVO 3D) ROCKED at overall performance during general tasks & gaming.

Nenamark is the only worthy benchmark, if you ask me. Quadrant and AnTuTu tend to bring a score of 3000 now and 4 runs later, WOOOOOOW MY PHONE IS SO FAST NOW THAT IT ACCIDENTALLY HAD 50000 SCORE !

Take, for example, the Galaxy Nexus. Compared to the Galaxy Note, it sucks badly, right? At least if you rely on what the benchmarks say... But aside from that, the Galaxy Nexus rocks at every bit (except maybe in 3D).
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] geekabilly:
Guess Androiderz are ready to end lag

Icarus HD 1.5 Stripped Bionic
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Fat_boy555:
What do I need to do if I flashed the flashable zip and want to update? Or is there no change between the zips?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] winning0308:
Go to this posthttp://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36252773 and download Uninstall_Seeder_v6.zip and flash via recovery then install new v1.1 apk :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] hugo-spice:
Yes, tried installing the apk from the first post, it says it had a problem verifying the file. When i go to the market to see if i could buy it, it says it's only available for android 2.2 and up. :(
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] persano:
this will work for kindle fire hd ? and this will increase antutu benchmark score. gta vipce city is a bit slow and laggy in the kinlde fire hd and i want to know if this will improve overall perfomance
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] sonnhy:
Have you closed completly the apps before doing the tests? Because they seems to be cached in memory and it's quite obvious that you can't see any improvment.. it's helpful you tell us how did you set up the kernel, like cpu clock and governor..

I can say also that i don't see any improvement on CM10 because it's already way fast than sense.. on the other hand on sense it work very well :good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] persano:
Mod Edit: quote deleted

work for the kinlde fire hd ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ej8989:
The only way to end doubts is by doing a video that thoroughly compares the UI experience with and without the tweak with two exact devices side by side.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] sonnhy:
It should on every android device... just try you can simply unistall it if it doesn't works for you..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lukesan:
It will be on fire instantly after you download it from the market burning down your house!

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE READ or STOP POSTING USELESS THINGS?

Yes, I know even this one is useless since those posters won't even read this.

Maybe there should be a thing that only senior or dev could reply in posts like this?

A small request on my part for the OP. Can you put a date or hour when you place an update in the first post?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
Problem is, it's not 'blocking on /dev/random' that caused lags. Rather, it's some code during entropy generation that did it. Code that for some reasons get bypassed or short-circuited by rngd.

-- Sent from a GT-I8150 running ICS perfectly well. F'U, Sams#!t --
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Neo-ST:
Hello,

I've tried Seeder but now I have to remove it because it drains my battery, BUT there's a problem - I can't remove it, and I've read instructions in this post.

I paid for Seeder and installed it from Market.

The CWM version of uninstall doesn't work.

The terminal version doesn't work either, I get this:

Although I uninstalled it like any other app, it still works in background, tested with this command:

watch -n 1 cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] shantam:
Simply remove the files manually

***Sent***

***From My Noir With Love***
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] chakky:
Need root to work?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Neo-ST:
They don't exist.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
You are really doing it wrong...if you only used the app, just uninstall the app and reboot..the unistaller is for my script only...the command you used will always work regardless of seeder...you should use

pgrep rngd

If it returns nothing, then you have removed it completely...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Fat_boy555:
Remove whatever file manually If it's with Cwm install. If it's apk, reinstall and turn off the tweak then in install and reboot.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
Yes, roots from trees...:rolleyes:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] chakky:
Ah damt. I dont have trees, all desert in my region :/
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
It has double meaning...if you get what mean...:p...enough for the OT, sorry if you feel offended but please kindly read the thread...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Neo-ST:
OK, I installed it again, turned it on/off, uninstalled it, rebooted and tested with your command, I get this:

Uninstalled now?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] elitevet:
Guys, there's obviously something very wrong with this thread. The OP should consider removing the app from Play Store until he and his testing community figured this out.

Since the OP does not know how the performance boost is achieved he is unable to provide proper support for his product.

Since there are at least three different solutions discussed here, people get really confused and proper and adequate help is impossible due to the amount of people, as well as due to the solutions are not being user friendly in a first place. Such solutions should be implemented well away from typical user's reach... If they work, that is. Which question is being scrutinized by the respected Android community members and, hopefully, by the OP right now.

I understand the publicity impact the OP might face, but I would suggest to lock this thread, temporary maybe. Not to punish anybody, but to save the embarrassment this thread is.

sent from CM powered SGS
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
Yup, you are clean of seeder now...:)

---------- Post added at 11:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:46 PM ----------

I believe this thread should only allow real discussions instead of locking it up because the thread does have some constructive discussion going on...those posting repetitive stuff or asking 'how does this works' should not be entertained at all...it is really cluttered here...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] RorixRebel:
Tested it yest and i couldn't notice a big improvement, but read about the cpu states drama and wanted to share this
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] snipes0310:
My dad has been developing for Linux for quite some time. Here is what he has to say. Seems similar to other developer responses:

"All the thread describes is reasonable. /dev/random should only be used where security is a concern. All other uses should use /dev/urandom.

I find it hard to believe the Google JVM is using the wrong one. Making the mistake of using the wrong RNG would likely only be done by a junior programmer. Performance has been an important part of the Android requirements as has been security so it seems unlikely to me they would have rookies doing the programming and reviewing the code.

I don't know enough about the "fix" to be certain of it's side effects. He says he is making urandom and random the same every second. He does not say for how long. One possible side effect is that he could, in some circumstances, be disabling security. (Why wouldn't change rngd to only use urandom?)

If the problem identified is true and the Google development team is aware it would be an easy fix they would quickly make."
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] novastar1:
I absolutely agree.

I was skeptical to begin with but I have tried this on all of my devices and noticed a more fluid experience.

HTC pyramid with ViperS 1.6.0 .....saw a huge difference in an already fast rom

Asus tf101...again a significant difference on mine...running AHDR

Nexus 7 with smoothrom noticible difference but nit as much as the older dual cores

Nexus 10 with aosp+ difference is obvoius even on this

All were installed via the .apk version

Sent the link to this thread to some of my friends and they also noted increased fluidity on their devices (galaxy s2, s1, one x, tf300)

I have also checked cpu states with system tuner and scaling seems normal to me....cores come on and off as before

AND battery life seems the same to me

Hats off to the author of this apk....whether inadvertently or not he has improved the experience of every one of the devices that I have tried it on....with no ill effects...even on my Nexus 10.

I think everone here should have a look at the comments on this app on the play store
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] canis999:
We are very gratefull for your dad's insightful comment, but we are already aware of that. The problem is that knowing that does not explain why the fix works and what it actually does to our devices performance. So maybe you ask your dad why it works?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] peterthevicar:
Wow! Thank you - transformed my tablet

Thank you so much for this - it's transformed the laggy performance of my no-name A10 tablet which used to be unusable for the first 5 minutes after switching on. The CPU always showed as 100% but running 'top' in a terminal showed no process above a few % - it looks like it was running out of entropy! Saved me from flashing a custom ROM with no way back if it went wrong so thanks again.

ATB, Peter

:)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] canis999:
I just did and it seems the app works for an obvious majority of people who installed it. And the dev promises to give refunds to anyone not satisfied with it... I don't see any scam in here, as some in this thread claim.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ZanshinG1:
It's not so much a scam as it is irresponsible.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] elitevet:
I appreciate your efforts in this thread, but it is doomed. Until the means by which the solution works (or not) are understood and explained this thread will be a mess as it is right now. You won't be able to produce a meaningful discussion here.

When the explanation is finally given and the technical side is understood there will be a flame war here between those who "told you it worked" and those who opposed them (it does not really matter if the actual solution will be found working or not, the flame war will occur...).

If this solution works it will be implemented in-kernel soon enough - no app / script will be needed, and no thread in Dev Section either.

All of the above is, obviously, my private opinion and you are free to dismiss it

EDIT : The next post is the Doom in all it's glory and simplicity... There is nothing you can do about it...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Sami Kabir:
I'm not sure about you people but I installed Seeder 1.0 the other day and it DIDN'T ACTUALLY improve my phone's Gaming Performance or Reduced Lags... It also increased my battery's discharging rate... My friend here on XDA (shut_down) told me that his AnTuTu Benchmark Scores reduced by 100 points!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kholantz:
Flare

tried this on my S100 / Karbonn a9+ / Cherry Mobile Flare

specs:

1.1ghz snapdragon

386mb RAM

here's my video:

*can't post links yet*

search: "Cherry Mobile Flare [Karbonn A9+]: Buttery-Smooth" on youtube... thanks!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Giogts:
for me works great
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
Strange... I also use Nova, but I don't see any slowing down...

Try asking in the Nova thread.

Oh, I'm on CM9, btw.

-- CM9b4 / CastagnaIT 7.3 BFS+ExtUV / DXKL1 / GT-I8150 --

---------- Post added at 12:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:23 AM ----------

A pair of questions to the dev (or anyone that can answer): Will converting this to a System App (using TiBU) cause any adverse effects? What about integrating Sys Dalvik Cache to ROM (odex-ing) using TiBU?

EDIT : Although I feel silly answering my own questions, let me share my experience.

Did a Nandroid backup, then convert Seeder into a System App. Run it once to tell Superuser to permanently grant Root privileges, then reboot. Opened the app, noticed that it's working okay, exited and perform odex-ing. Another reboot...

It works! And I still feel the benefits of Seeder! Wonderful stuff, dev! If your app in the Play Store is for sale, expect some moolah from me within a couple of days ;)

-- CM9b4 / CastagnaIT 7.3 BFS+ExtUV / DXKL1 / GT-I8150 --
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ludak021:
I was on CM10. I flashed CM9 today and Nova is working fine now o.O

edit: keep in mind that observed behavior is with huawei ascend g300 overclocked to 1.2ghz. It's not exactly the speed champion :P
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
Heh, my phone is underclocked to 1 GHz and undervolted, but I see no slowdown ;)

The interaction between Nova and JB and Seeder might be the culprit; best report this to Nova's dev to find out what, exactly.

-- CM9b4 / CastagnaIT 7.3 BFS+ExtUV / DXKL1 / GT-I8150 --
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ludak021:
well, CM9 is apparently fine with it, hence no slowdown. CM10 is a different animal since there are some significant changes under the JB hood. (on a side note, that sammy i8150 has a better CPU then g300, more cache on CPU means a lot apparently and I am going to guess that i8150 uses ddr2 memory unlike g300 which uses ddr(1) )
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ajwconsult:
Yep, installed the Zip from recovery cwm..Followed step 4 and I got 3000+ as a result back..

I assume even if i reboot, this setting is set and will not change now unless i flash another rom.

Thanks for the info
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jr_718:
Yes.. apk version does the same as well...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] stelioskal:
hi i just install the apk.

it seeems that goes faster, my lag problem was at the home button and yes when i press it the screeen turn on faster (not immediately)

thanks
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] keithross39:
Just flashed the zip version.....noticed the difference immediately.....

Feels like a brand new phone.....

Kudos to the dev.....upgrading to the latest and greatest phone suddenly doesn't feel so necessary now... :)

Sent from my CM10 powered Galaxy GTI-8150 Wonder with Tapatalk 2......it's all good...... :) :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
Just updated the download link to a more permanent one...It is the same as the one I posted before...:)...the older link will be removed...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
I suggest adding these 2 lines after rngd:

sleep 2; #wait until rngd is ready
echo -8 > /proc/$(pgrep rngd)/oom_adj

These will set rngd's oom_adj to -8, rendering it harder to kill.

I suggest -8 because it's low enough to survive most OOM events, but still higher than Android Framework's components oom_adj (which, IIRC, are between -16 and -10). This means that during extreme OOM situations, rngd will be killed before the Android Framework is killed.

EDIT: XDA app seems to mangle my code. It should be two lines: one beginning with 'sleep', and another beginning with 'echo'.

Oh, and I've tested the lines. Works splendidly :o

-- CM9b4 / CastagnaIT 7.3 BFS+ExtUV / DXKL1 / GT-I8150 --
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] .:Crack:.:
Hey,

here's another binary + explanation (seems to be slightly different than this one?) + a watcher binary.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=35589934&postcount=16743
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
Good idea! I was thinking of using the renice command:

renice -8 rngd

What do you think? :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
Interesting...

Now, Zeppelinrox is a dev I greatly respect. I might need to take his version out for a spin ;)

That will make rngd preempt most everything else, causing lag as the CPU scheduler shifts back and forth between the foreground thread and rngd.

And as rngd already fires every second...

I suggest going with both oom_adj and renice, but the other way, e.g. :

echo -8 >...

renice +8 rngd

These should protect rngd from premature killing, yet push it to the background so it interferes less.

-- CM9b4 / CastagnaIT 7.3 BFS+ExtUV / DXKL1 / GT-I8150 --
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
Ahh...I get you now...I will make a new zip now with both echo and renice commands...:)

EDIT: Ok, here is the updated Seeder_v2.zip:

http://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=9390244042945593386

Added lines to make rngd run better...thanks to pepoluan for the suggestions! :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] meeshvl:
Where's the instructions? :( I can't seem to find it. :crying:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] irawanjohan:
just install the seeder.zip using cwm recovery
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ankur_shah88:
Thanks for the link but i tried to install this zip on x 10 mini pro?

Is the new updated zip only for samsung phones?

while installing i get status 0 error, i tried to update zip with update binary and update script from other flashable zip as mentioned in your earlier post. but still got error while installing
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
You need CWM to flash the updatezip.

Or just install manually:

1. Open the updatezip

2. Copy rngd to /system/xbin, change its permission to 0755 and its owner to root.shell

3. Copy Seeder to /system/etc/init.d, do the same wrt permission and owner

4. Reboot, do pgrep rngd in terminal. If you see a number, rngd is running

-- CM9b4 / CastagnaIT 7.3 BFS+ExtUV / DXKL1 / GT-I8150 --
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] keithross39:
If I flashed the first zip, can I flash this one on top, or do I have to remove the old version first....if so, how do I do that?.....

Sent from my CM10 powered Wonder with Tapatalk 2......it's all good...... :) :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
Just flash it directly over the old one.

I just tried, the newer version simply overwrites the rngd binary and the Seeder initscript.

-- Sent from a GT-I8150 running ICS perfectly well. F'U, Sams#!t --
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] RyomaEchizen:
Any fix for that? :(

Enviado desde mi ST25a usando Tapatalk 2
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] shadyr25:
This is amazing, congratulations to the developer/founder of Seeder. I must say that I'm really impressed.

My test with galaxy s3 international version. We all know that galaxy s3 is a quadcore phone however, it's not really needed for daily use so I have made it so it runs only dual core for the benifit of battery, yes when needed, I know that I have an option available to activate all cores with an ease of mind also knowing that it's s3's stock value, so in essence it's not harmful in anyway. Furthermore for the benefit of battery again, I have tried underclocking it, desired clock was 800mhz, but it would constantly lag when I finally settled with 1200mhz. To increase again its battery life as I am a very heavy user, I undervolted all steps by -100mv... so now or back then to be precise I was really happy with the setup and the amazingly increased life and stability.

So two days ago I came across this thread, I had no faith in it but I just knew I had to try it although it maybe a security risk which I was willing to take. Tried it, enabled and restarted but saw little to no difference... so I followed the thread when I came across and read a particular post stating that it would be more noticeable on lower clocked devices so then it hit me... I underclocked the s3 to my desired clock of 800mhz.... and the result was absolutely phenomenal. There were no lags, maybe just very few minor unnoticeable hiccups unless you sit there staring at the screen focused of which in real life situation no one sees them. These are also experienced even with quadcore at its stock value. Also no impact on battery life or standby or performance infact better if I must say, it feels like I still have all the cores enabled at its stock value.

My point here is it WORKS!!! There definitely is some sorcery going on here as it seems it is yet to be explained how it works :D I used to think of it as placebo too.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] thecapitalr:
Please help

I installed seeder three days ago via the play store. have a ATT galaxy S3 (I747). I am running CM10 stable.

Since installing this application, my battery life has been destroyed and performance has not increased at all (at least not noticably). My battery life went from getting 14 hours (give or take) from my daily usage to roughly 4 hours.

I uninstalled the program from my phone, restarted, opened up terminal, and typed the commands mentioned in the previous thread.

As can be seen from the picture, after uninstalling the program, seeder is still running?

Can someone PLEASE help me get rid of this program. It would be greatly appreciated.