yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] dwang:
well, if you monitor /proc/sys/kernel/random/entrophy_avail, you can see that the number goes down quite a bit and then gets replenished quite often, so something is using it.

I tried this on my nexus 4 and I think i can notice a slight improvement with micro lag/stutter, but the phone is already so fast its hard to tell.

But the theory behind it makes sense to me, and I don't think the app itself causes any issues so I'll just keep it running for now.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Formhault:
A near halt, as you describe it, has occured today to me. Everything got super laggy for a few seconds, but that was today, after two days of running with this Seeder on, and for a few seconds. Not sure if that's the kernel acting up, since I've experienced something like this (but for more extensive ammounts of time - more than just a few seconds) even before this Seeder thing existed, and on a different ROM...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ineedone:
I mentioned this before. Had the same thing, seeder did a great job but after some time my DesireZ with viperZ rom also froze, it didn't reboot, but rebooted it myself, than it was again very good, until it froze again. Now i have removed it, but keep following this thread cose there is really something going on here..

Hope Devs will find out.

I reply to bring some extra notice to this.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ChronoReverse:
Does nothing on a Galaxy Nexus running 4.1.1

So I've tried it on a I717 Note1 (ICS 4.0.4 and CM10 JB 4.1.2) and a GNex (AOKP JB 4.1.1) without any notable, systematically repeatable differences.

I also took the time to go through all 145 pages of this thread. NOBODY has put up a video showing the "massive" difference despite how trivial it is to do so. There are a couple of videos showing no difference though.

Seriously, this app has an on/off button and it takes less than 10 seconds for the entropy to stabilize at 3000ish or 300ish depending on whether it's on or off. If the app directly does something and something as big as it's claimed, it would be incredibly easy to produce a mountain of video evidence.

At this point, I'm convinced this only works on older devices if it works at all because neither the Note1 nor the GNex are top of the line phones like the GS3, the Note2 or the N4.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cocchiararo:
Supporters of this thing working, do this, ASAP

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] gpzbc:
What file are we looking to remove manually? And where might it be located? Thank you.

I flashed the zip, but never installed it in terminal emulator. Since then I just installed the apk and now I want to remove all of the script and binary files that are not being used. I don't think the provided uninstall zip will work if I never installed it. So if someone would please point me to what the script and binary files are (and their location) I will just delete them manually. Thank you.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] spinkick:
I did the entropy bucket reverse test and it doesnt cause any more lag. What gives?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] SPyxOff:
Well

I have Samsung Galaxy Nexus using 4.2.1 ParanoidAndroid with 3.0.54 Franco kernel

After installing this, I get slightly better everything. Not performance at all but smoothnes of already very smooth system.

I dont really know, what for is the APK here but I do know, that this realy works even on Project Butter jelly bean.

There is still what to improve over Android OS :good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ZanshinG1:
The blocking theory has been invalidated by Google Android and Dalvik engineers and by empirical testing, as has the cpu pegging theory.

https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=42265
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cocchiararo:
a few more guys doing this and we can put this to rest

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] FcoEnrique:
Repoting

This is really making something, but on the LG LS855 isn't anything good, whit seeder i got more noticeable lags, bot: the zip file and the apk, even lowers values on benchmarks.

applied seeder together pimp my rom teaks, maybe that affects it? i dont know.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kz6fittycent:
Thanks so much for this! I feel like I got a new phone.:cool:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Chxrlyglez:
I have another init.d Scripts enabled, maybe that cause the conflict...... i dont know, but when i turn off seeder via terminal, my phone runs ok, no more reboots until i turn on seeder again....

Waiting for new version....

Regards
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] RCranium666:
Ok, I may be seeing some changes with this app installed. The phone app seems to be opening way faster and contacts too, though not as much. Don't know if this is a placebo effect or if the apps are just in memory. Occasionally, they slow down again. i717 galaxy note, padawan4 ics rom.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Formhault:
Hey guys. I just realised. You know what else got way smoother? Scrolling.

Tapatalk is much faster with the bigger entropy pool.

But Arcane Legends started to lag like it did before... :/

Sent from my Galaxy Note
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Alphaneus:
did you ever make it to only execute on screen on?

Sent from my 8-Core LG Galaxy S7
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rinxas:
This is working pretty nice on my GS3. Apps indeed open a bit faster, less lag overall, with the best battery life I've had in a long time, CPU doesn't stick with higher frequency values.

I'm on latest Wanam 4.1.2 XXELLA. Just wanted to let you guys know.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] masondoctorjt:
My device is running ICS, and it made a huge difference. Their is not the slightest chance that it's a placebo effect, unless someone snuck in and stuck a duel core in, and doubled the ram in my alpha 2. Just before i installed seeder.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ChronoReverse:
It should be easy to prove all the doubters wrong. The night-and-day differences being seen here should be easy to capture.

The app itself can be toggled on and off without a reboot. In less than 10 seconds, the entropy available stabilizes so a 60 second video is sufficient to show how the app is making an immediate difference repeatedly, both when turning it off and turning it on. It's also trivial to force close the app to make sure it's not loading from memory.

So why hasn't anyone done this after 147 pages and over 1000 posts?

I've been putting this challenge forth for a while now hoping someone will go and put to rest the matter as to whether it works or not. Instead there's no positive proof and only two videos showing no difference.

34000 people downloaded Seeder from this thread. Over 5000 people bought Seeder from the Play Store and there's over 250 reviews with 4-5 stars. This thread has over 1000 posts and over 340000 views. Is it really that hard to produce proof of something that's so significant that it's akin to "doubling the CPU cores and RAM"?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Shano56:
The latter seems most likely

Source: uh this 1 dev told me so
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] persano:
will work for motorola xt300?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] zoorin:
Is a phone eat more battery after installing this?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] SubwayJrd:
Here's a better suggestion. You or one of the other nay sayers do that yourselves. I'm surprised you can be so vehement about something when you have no proof to back you up. I'll look forward to your video.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ineedone:
I Also have some init.d scripts. Got my rom supercharged and i remember zapp did mention there is already some setting for entropy wake up of 128. Mabye this causes a conflict. There is a sysctl edit from zepp which changes this to 1376 but i didn't test it yet, this should do about the same as seeder so seeder is not nessessery. Mabye i try it out tomorrow and see what happens.

Ltr
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ChronoReverse:
We have two videos in this thread showing no change as opposed to ZERO showing positive benefit. I went through all 147 pages of this thread. I've also tested on at least two devices (which other people have claimed massive differences) with different OS versions (both ICS and JB) in a _systematic manner_ to see if there's any repeatable difference. There were none.

Try again. The positive reaction folks are the ones who need to produce proof at this point. You're the one being "so vehement about something when you have no proof to back you up". I look forward to _your_ video.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] SubwayJrd:
I would like to see a may sayer create a video. Realistically you have nothing to lose. At up a good scientific experiment, good hypothesis, then perform multiple experiments. If you're correct, and there is no change over MANY phones, you "win". If you're wrong, and there is a change even for some phones, you STILL win.

Where's the problem?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ChronoReverse:
Well what's the problem? Why can't anyone produce a video with it working?

I spent the effort to search this thread. Why haven't you at least done that?

In fact, since this is "like doubling core and RAM" why haven't you produced a video?

There's at least a little proof there's no big difference. No one has actually gone and shown there's a big difference.

I don't have access to the Galaxy Nexus right now (only my Galaxy Note I717) but I will later on. I will produce a video showing little-to-no-difference when I get it back. Please list the apps that shown the hugest differences and the method to show the difference. I will even test both ICS and CM JB with the GNote.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] internauta2000:
Create a poll

The developer should create a poll for users of the app in for this thead :good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] sinisin:
This app has made my phone as fast as I expected it to be out of the box. Before I would get 2-3 seconds of lag opening large apps. Now I get none. I purchased the app from Play Store because I feel the developer deserves it. Would LOVE the option to turn it off while the screen is off, because I am just anal like that. No adverse effects on battery life though. Thank you for this amazing app. Its quickly run to the top of my recommended apps for my rooted friends! Keep up the great work!

SPH-L710 stock deodexed 4.1.1

Sent from my SIII
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Metallice:
My favorite argument: It's not placebo because I can see a difference.

I don't think some of you understand what the placebo effect is.

This is supposed to be a dev community. We should be better than this and more scientific about these things... Yet there has yet to be one reproducible, verifiable piece of evidence... Sigh.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] SubwayJrd:
Friends, I've read every single page of this thread. I don't have good access to multiple phones with which to test to make sure I can see results throughout. I do know my phone is smoother, based on the close relationship I have with my phone. If you really want to put the issue to rest, prove it yourself. I've seen countless nay sayers nay say , and never comment again.

In short, I see a difference for my particular phone. Many have reported they do as well. Others have reported they haven't.

It's also been stated many times that there isn't a really good way to conclusively prove and show if it does or does not make a difference. At least not that anyone has found yet.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ChronoReverse:
I don't have access to the Galaxy Nexus right now (only my Galaxy Note I717) but I will later on. I will produce a video doing tests when I get it back. Please list the apps that shown the hugest differences and the method to show the difference. I will even test both ICS and CM JB with the GNote.

I'm willing to go the extra mile even if this proves me wrong. I _want_ this to do something.

To put it into perspective, around seventy pages ago in this thread, I was somewhat optimistic about this tweak. I asked if some of those who saw large differences could show it (I even listed steps how it could be systematically done for a video).

Then I downloaded the apk and tried it along with the init.d method. Couldn't detect a difference but perhaps my phone is too new. Waited for some videos. Finally someone posted one... to show nothing happened for him. Slept on it. Another video was posted... to show not much changed. Tested the new apk on a Galaxy Nexus. No result again.

Disappointment.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] SubwayJrd:
The perceived smoothness and speed of the Android experience matters much more than any "quantifiable evidence" that can be pulled from things like benchmarks. I have several other tweaks applied to my phone through init.d that drop my benchmark scores through multiple benchmark apps, but my phone is smoother with better battery life. That's what I want, so I'll take it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kwartey:
actually I'm noob .can anyone please tell me how to install this mod. Plzzzz
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] faekplastik3s:
It's not as easy as you claim. It requires 60FPS capture and playback (anyone know any video services that support 60FPS playback?), plus there's no way to record and play macros on Android to make sure the movements and operations done are the same, and it's already pretty established that the way the app is supposed to work is not what would produce these results, so who knows if enabling/re-enabling it would even stop the effect.

So yeah, I don't think it's that easy. You probably wouldn't even be able to tell on YouTube unless the device had a serious lag issue to begin with. I would love to do this myself, but my device is pretty snappy to begin with and I noticed no huge change with this on.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ChronoReverse:
There's a 240 FPS capture video in this thread (it's played in slow motion). The guy who did it is certain that there's a difference but admitted that it somehow doesn't show up in his video. This was the reason why I switched from Optimistic about this tweak to Pessimistic (that's it's Placebo).

I read every single page of this thread. Did you?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] silverdart:
Curious

So how can devices without add_random disable the use of linux provided entropy, so it relies on the RNGD?:confused: