yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] shinesthru:
Ok, figured out the problem. Like I said, I am on AOKP 4.2.1, running this kernel : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1800576 The latest AOSP version of the kernel has franddom enabled. Seeder does not work with that kernel, and my guess is frandom is the culprit because the Seeder app works perfectly when I flash an older version of the kernel without frandom support. What do you think Step-han?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mw86:
I think you can delete or backup frandom initd script im on one of those kernel versions and I think it would prevent launching frandom at boot keeping compatibility with seeder... in theory. I only have that initd script there with the new frandom implementation and maybe thats all you would need to do to stay on that version. For now though by the way last I new he only posted those two updates for touchwiz and 4.2.1 to add frandom support... Ktoonsez we are speaking of that is. So the version was only a beta to add frandom support. His version in OP is still his standard release... nothing but frandom added in the two beta versions he posted for us.

Good luck Shinesthru I hope it is as easy as deleting that initd or removing it as a backup to another storage folder elsewhere...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] trevd:
Observations and Thoughts!

Hi There,

I've just been reading through your initial post and I'd like to make the following observations.

You point out that you arrived at some of your conclusions based on the behaviour of a web server on a VM and quite rightly point out the lack of HWRNG in that case, It's also been noted that Web Servers / Headless / Embedded Systems etc not only often lack the HW but also lack other common sources of entropy ( i.e user input ) which may explain the drop.

I'm just trying this out myself but would not a simpler "hack" be to

rm /dev/random
mknod /dev/random c 1 9

Is there any technical limitation your aware of that stops this from working? I've not gone deep into the kernel on this so I could be missing something obvious!

Also you may already be aware of Dan Kamisky and his work on RNG. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blU0GG2Ysho

I be interested to get your thoughts on this one!

Thanks
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Sami Kabir:
Can I use all of them...?

Hi... I'm currently looking for the "BEST" ways to boost my phone's performance with as less impact on battery as possible.. so far I have found out about Seeder 2.0, CrossBreeder, Supremacy Trilogy (Script), V6 Supercharger and Adrenaline Engine....

So I was wondering if I use all of them together, would that be good or would that make my phone unstable and/or Brick it..?

If I can't use all of them which one do you think is the best? I used Seeder 1.0 a few weeks back but I didn't notice any difference on my performance...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Step-han:
Look in /system/etc/init.d if there is any script that starts the frandom. It should be there. Delete it and after u deleted it u can install my flash-ble seeder script.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] shinesthru:
Thanks y'all. Deleting the frandom script worked like a charm :thumbup:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] malaysia_sWat:
is this work for reducing heavy gaming like nova..shadowgun...Heroes of order Chaos..nfs Most Wanted????
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
Yeah.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] dweber81:
RNGD Service failed

So i am on Anthrax kernel 2/14 and seeder throws this error on any version I flashed. Is this kernel related?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] beyeond:
I believe that version has frandom enabled. Read the last 15 posts or so.

Step-han, your script worked perfectly, thanks.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mw86:
Actually a lot of us were referring to Ktoonsez kt747 kernel with frandom. We just removed initd scriot called frandom to stop the issue, maybe Anthrax users can dig through initd and elsewhere to check.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bedi.gursimran:
Somehow makes my phone laggier but snappier

I am running SuperNexus 2 4.2.1 build 2(tomorrow build 3) and have dorimanx kernel 7.44. And It just doesn't work as I want it to work as i said in the title it's almost n4 snappy. But I'd rather smooth/stable than snappy. Don't know if it's due to optimisation or what. Btw good job helped my friends Samsung Galaxy S3 :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] fivefour:
Well from about 11:00 - 30:31 he talks about random number generation and his take on a proper implementation (dakarand), what exactly are you looking for information wise?

Dakarand is one developers take on how the issue of true random can be obtained to provide better security for encryption algorithms based on AES/RSA) and beyond.

Anyone with half a working brain could theorize on a method of true random data, he took it one step further and implemented it....very eloquently I may add.

I think we will see dakarand being used in the near future, it appears to pass all known tests and provide a method of true random numbers.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] narco14:
hi all, for me your seeders work very well on my s2 and my nexus 7. Thx for your work.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] moliverac8:
What's i/o queue?What's his function?

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] hoholee12:
it increases the size of nr_requests(more blocking)(useful for spinning harddisks) that technically does not do anything good to an ssd type of storage such as our nand flash memory.

correct me if im wrong;)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] winning0308:
In the 1st post has already explained: ... the "Extend I/O queue" option increases the nr_requests on MMC devices to 1024, and increases the dirty page expiry time, allowing more outstanding writes to accumulate. This may allow the I/O scheduler to make better decisions and combine more writes...

:)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mtree129:
nice app

Thank you very much!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] SSyar:
Thumbsup for ver 2.0.0
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
..

:good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Zephyr!:
very smooth after installation .. ;)

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vn18vn:
Thank you very much!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] PoisonWolf:
Thanks OP. My MK808 Android Stick has a noticeable different in terms of snappiness after installing Seeder 2.0. =)

Like some have said, it is not that it is faster, but that it is consistently more responsive under heavy load. With it being an android stick too, I can disable the suspend-service option and just let it be as aggressive as it wants to be due to it being attached to a wall-wart. Lol.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] nickyikra:
I'm using AE 4.4, can I check the all the options on the seeder or only some of the selected option. Thkz
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
Your call
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] nickyikra:
Your call??
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
Use any settings you want. Nothing will break
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] nickyikra:
Ok, thank you. Fear no faults with the script AE that I use
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] seedrom193:
It works good on my s3 mini but I still not understand the options and their exact functions :confused:

hit thanks if I helped you :)

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Fat_boy555:
How about u read the first post to find out?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
lolol

Theres thing called an OP, you should read it sometime. Still confused?

Check out this amazing site called Google

Have a nice day
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] geniusboy93:
Just install the apk or just flash the .zip file? Or need to do both?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
Install the .apk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] geniusboy93:
How about if i flash .zip? Dont need to use apk? Cant use both?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
Just use the apk dude
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] geniusboy93:
Oh, ok. Thanks:)

Sory 4 keep asking. Because im new to here
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
Youre fine dude

Best of luck to you. :good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] espaciosalter20:
Anybody thinks that it might be possible to make Seeder compatible with x86 platform? I own a RazR I and everytime that i tried to make seeder works on my phone, it keeps me saying "rngd startup failed" because a lack of root privilegies but root works perfectly with a lot of other programs. So, i have supposed that binaries isn't compiled for x86 platforms as well.

Any working solution for this?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] blaz1nr:
Just a thought. Is your root pseudo?

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] espaciosalter20:
what do you mean with "pseudo" rooting?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] blaz1nr:
As in your phone is on stock rom or kernel. And you just rooted it. I believe the kernel source your using needs to have root access in it. Not the type of root you get from a flash able zip. The binary doesn't always register active,on some roms without kernel read/write access. Can't say for sure it's your issue. But I thought ide ask.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] espaciosalter20:
Well, i have use "motofail2go" exploit to get root, using x86 binaries as well. But maybe you have right about kernel access to read/write... still, there is no harm if someone compile rngd for x86...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] domini99:
i tested it a few days, it whas great.

can i include this in my ROM im developing?

Sent from my sending thing..

Stupid computer y u no fast :mad:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
Hundreds of people do, so I'm sure you can. Just make sure to give thanks where its deserved.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] post-mortem:
From the OP:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] domini99:
you think that i forget that one?

:D

this app can use another 1000 thanks :D

Sent from my sending thing..

Stupid computer y u no fast :mad:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] blaz1nr:
Hey I believe I have solved your problem. Motofail2go doesn't add init'd to the system. I just did my atrix hd. Got the same error you did. Flashed my init'd install script,and everything is cherry. Anyone need my flashable script just let me know.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] espaciosalter20:
Could you please provide that script?

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] blaz1nr:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ajyyppmnvcs5vh/Universal Init'd Installer.zip

Here Ya go peeps.Hope it fixes your problems as it did mine.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ineedone:
I have tried seeder, and it did speedup my rom in first instance, but after some longer use it did destablise my rom. I got random hangups when switching apps or starting new ones. After removing seeder everything went back to normal.

Maybe some phones or roms may benefit of this, but maybe my phone (desire z) is to slow? And i already have my rom supercharged (thanx zep!), so maybe entropy settings conflict?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] tom3q:
Yes, but this also means that such accesses happen really rarely and don't block for too much.

I still insist that in Android itself /dev/random is not used at all. You can as well check using Android cross reference:

http://androidxref.com/4.2_r1/s?n=2...r,ndk,packages,pdk,prebuilts,sdk,system,tools

This one is for Android 4.2.

The potential users are probably external applications and platform-specific libraries/applications from phone manufacturer, but this would mean they are broken, because even wpa_supplicant handles /dev/random reads in a non-blocking way (if configured to use /dev/random instead of /dev/urandom).

Btw. Blocking a single process does not block the whole system in any way. Linux uses preemptive multitasking.

Yes, but this was a trivial bug in application logic, not a core system component that causes performance degradation of the whole system, something that is unacceptable in such big project.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
You do have a point there.

Currently I'm testing 3 scenarios:

1. rwut value setting (pointer by Zeppelinrox)

2. rngd daemon

3. none

Let's see how everything goes.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] subnoize soulja:
do we just download the rngd.zip and flash that? or can i just install the alpha6 .apk ? what is the better way
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] psxpetey:
This is so awesome. how do you get it running via init.d because id rather not have the app and just run the script at boot. This makes every device ten times as smooth lol running on Xperia ion,play and Sony tablet s. This gives em serious lug nuts.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] elvisypi:
Flash the seeder v5 zip. You can find it a few pages back. It runs at boot automatically, you can change options with terminal: su, seeder
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] meeshvl:
Can I install Seeders without rooting and CWM? >:)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] elvisypi:
No, sorry
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] meeshvl:
I tried it, and it installed successfully? :fingers-crossed:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] elvisypi:
I don't think so. If you aren't rooted you can't install ini.d scripts. The author says you need root too
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] meeshvl:
Maybe that's because it's the old kernel? My current phone is the updated kernel/version. My phone seems to be lagless now! :laugh:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] talha20:
I flashed the zip provided a few pages back, my question is how do I remove it? Is just turning it off in terminal enough?

Sent from my Xperia Ray
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] elvisypi:
Yes turn autorun in terminal and you are ok. Does it make any difference for you, I'm curious
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] talha20:
Didn't notice any particular difference but that could just be because I flashed a fresh Rom just a few hours earlier, will try it in a few days when the Rom gets a little laggy

Sent from my Xperia Ray
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] hatememarkz:
I tried the apk installed felt like it was runnin good first 30minz of boot then my phone just went to **** but it might be all the tweaks I got going uninstalled phone bakc to running good again

da beanz⇨slimrom3.0 oc 1.2/geekymod engine
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
You can't. rngd requires root privileges to be able to inject into /dev/random

If you're rooted, without init.d support you can use the apk version in OP.

Yes.

You need not worry how to uninstall it because it doesn't modify any files of you ROM. It just add new ones.

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---------- Post added at 03:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:48 PM ----------

I honestly wonder how you did the tracing and debugging, because @tom3q insisted that /dev/random is not frequently accessed by any process...

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] thunderising:
Using Seeper Alpha 6 apk given on PAGE 1. Is there a newer version of this APP?

The app stays ON for me. I still have ROOT. Using Xperia SOLA. See no visible changes in smoothness, but probably because the ROM was super smooth already.

Will see if it affects battery life. Before app I was losing 1% battery over 6 hours of idling.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
If your ROM supports init.d, I recommend flashing Seeder_v5 from @ryuinferno instead.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] thunderising:
My ROM does have int.d support. Could you direct me to the ZIP download link?

EDIT

Nevermind got it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] psxpetey:
This is so awesome not only does my phone not heat up like a son of a ***** its smoother than it ever was haha this is perfect for the ion on ics
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] espaciosalter20:
Thanks... I didn't use your solution because i didn't install cwm yet (I'm still at locked bootloader and I'm lazy to make a workaround for install cwm on my locked bl), but i found an apk by ryuinferno to enable init.d which works ok. Still, seeder apk doesn't work (keeps saying the same thing about rooting), so i have gone dirty: installed pimp my rom and activated rngd service from there. I know that is not a complete solution compared with seeder 2.0 but at least is working for me (checked in terminal). Thanks anyway for your effort!

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Milamber33:
Slightly offtopic, if you have root you should be able to use something like Rom Toolbox to install CWM or GooManager to install TWRP.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] espaciosalter20:
Not always because not every locked device are the same...

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX:
it makes my phone LAG MORE wtf. i have an HTC Vivid overclocked to 2052 mhz with smartassv2 governer on cpu0 and interactivex on cpu1 what could possibly be to much for that?

other than crysis of course xD
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] UndisputedGuy:
Will this no longer be updated?

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] fivefour:
Overclocking to that level certainly kicks in error correction thus slowing the device down.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mw86:
Correct the same effect can be noticed on too low and undervolt. It can be stable enough to not crash but runs slower because every few calculations fail and it has to start over using the error correction.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] faizal ali:
Does your mod can support htc one x?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] blaz1nr:
The zip will install on every phone. If your on any custom rom, you already have init 'd support. Otherwise the zip will set the permissions for it, not just install the folder. Incase someone wants to know, just adding the folder will not work. It needs to be set in system to call the folder.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] beyeond:
If you're just trying to enable init.d support, there is an apk that enables it. It's in my drop box..

http://db.tt/I446j4i2

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Septique:
Why do I get an error suddenly? The application Seeder (process com.lcis.seeder) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again. What should I do?

My phone is LG Optimus Hub.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
Boot into recovery and fix permissions
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] sarvesh563:
It works...it f**kingly makes phone fast...really..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Septique:
Thank you!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] whitehawk66:
I've had this for a long spell on my tablet...

In conclusion, I'm not sure I was able to discern any faster performance or battery savings...

On the contrary, think the opposite is true for me.

Thanks for your work
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] thedoctor80:
Yeaah agree w/ u

Sent from my BRAIN
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] croniccorey:
great job on these, i use the init,d method and have noticed a nice boost to how smooth the rom runs

tested on android 2.3.7 and 4.0.4 on htc magic, dream, and desire..

i will be adding this to my roms with credit..

thanks from CronMod-DEV :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] leonardoroza:
I am using this with ARHD on a S3 and I do see a difference!

Seeder is great :)

Sent from a GT-I9300 on ARHD 22.4
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] purpleraintoxicity:
I gotta say thanx again.

I went to check cross breeder and I didnt came close to this

Amazing work

sent while walking and typing
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] towelboy:
Difference between 2.0.0b1 & 2.0.0?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MBQ_:
One is a beta and one isn't

Literally
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] whitexp:
seeder is the really placebo...

creator of dalvik said a lot about this app ,ricardo cerqueira and steve kondik too..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] snapper.fishes:
That's what I thought as well.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] shmigao:
i see a huge difference on old Galaxy Tab 10.1.

no noticable difference on HTC One X
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rawintellect:
I'm running on an HTC EVO 4g LTE. I have a question that's probably been asked in this thread (search is currently down):

Does the continual (I know it stops writing when the screen is off. my phone does go into a deep sleep) writing to /dev/random degrade the NAND? Or is /dev/random written to RAM? Or with today's NAND does it even matter if it's written to this much? :D
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] criosray:
Even if it's a placebo it's a good one because I feel the difference - that's only what matters. Even if placebo. ;)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Hellscythe:
^ THIS.

I too am very concerned because i believe being a flashaholic killed my Incredible S.

A few people said because i was flashing roms once every day or once every 2 days,

it killed my internal memory :S

---------- Post added at 10:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 AM ----------

Well i did actually see a difference on my incredible S, because it is an older and weaker device.

but on a more powerful device like my nexus 7, i see almost no difference at all
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
/dev/random is not actually a file. It's a 'virtual file'. It's an interface to a 4 KiB buffer in memory (RAM) called the "entropy pool".
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rawintellect:
And that's the answer I wanted. If it's written in RAM it won't degrade my NAND. Thanks.