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[Nokia Lumia 920] hackajar:
All stores in my area have the Lumina 920 in stock - San Francisco / San Jose area. Here are some Day 1 Notes:

All phones are $449 without contract in store

Only Black and White models available in stores

In-Store refuses to sell phones without service

Charge Plate not free in store (even with contract)

No "unlocked" options offered, though, manager seemed very angry at the mere mention of this, so cannot confirm if it is unlocked by default

This is day one observations, so things will change over time I suspect.

I did not buy phone, as I wanted see the Cyan and Yellow in person to make a final decision. I might go back tomorrow and pose as a customer just to get my hands on a phone to cram my SIMple Mobile SIM in and see what happens. SIMple is a re-branded carrier on the T-Mobile network.
[Nokia Lumia 920] aicjofs:
Did you see about Nokia offering free charge plate? This might help offset no free charging plate in store. Looks like not happening for another week or so though.

http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-offer-free-wireless-charging-plate-many-lumia-820-and-920-customers
[Nokia Lumia 920] crawlgsx:
Weird I bought mine in an AT&T store today. It was $100 on 2 year, $500 no contract. I had to ask twice as I had seen online that it was suppose to be $450 and he tried ringing it up and it came up as $500. I didn't bother to call around or try very hard, I've known the guy for a while and don't think he was trying to scam me.

They were ordering free plates for anyone who purchased one shipped directly to your house. They did it for me and at least 3 other customers just while I was there.
[Nokia Lumia 920] sicmadek:
Stores in my area had black, white, and red. There were no charging plates in the store. The deal was I paid $49 for the phone and $50 for the charging plate, which gets dropped shipped to my house. You can't refuse the plate to get a discount on the phone. No matter what, you're going to pay $99 for the phone. Also, it was $449 off contract but no charging plate.
[Nokia Lumia 920] svarien:
My store had Red available. The store didn't have any of the charging pads in stock but I was able to get one free and shipped to my house.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DJHile:
Does the At&t version of the Note 2 not include multitasking? I know a little while back Sprint users got this feature with a firmware upgrade so I figured that the At&t version would ship with this feature.

Anyone else buy a Note 2 today and notice this feature missing?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sleevasteve:
Long press the home button?
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] notown775:
i think he means hold the back button

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Note2.. yep
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DJHile:
No... You are supposed to be able to long press the back button
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DJHile:
Yeah, but unfortunately it's not working for me :(
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ericshmerick:
The AT&T version is already behind on updates. I went into the store today to look at the Lumia 920. Meh. The salesman showed me the Note II. I long pressed the back button...no multitasking menu. Took out my international Note 2 and showed him the multitasking in action. He was amazed. I told him THIS is the reason I don't buy carrier branded phones. They are always behind on updates. I wasn't being a jerk, I know they guy wanted to re-sign me on a contract. I was just making a point.

Point taken by him. I walked out of the store. This is why you buy unlocked. Not even LTE would lure me into a carrier locked, slow to update phone.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sleevasteve:
My mistake. I still have an S3, so didn't realize they changed it to the back button. (Patiently waiting for Verizon to release their N2). That's weird it doesn't work for you tho. One potential workaround would be using a different launcher like Nova or Holo and creating a launcher shortcut for recent's. Doesn't help if you're in an app, but you could at least place it somewhere convenient on your homescreen.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] notown775:
holding home means recent apps. hes talking about multitask. .

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Note2.. yep
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BmoreBadBoy:
Yeah this is bull**** I think I might go return my Sprint SPH-L900 version GN2 and get the international version because this not having multitask yet is pissing me off.
[Galaxy Note II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sleevasteve:
Ahhh...multiwindow. Haha! I always considered recent apps "multitasking" but I guess multiwindow is the true definition of multitasking now! I don't think many carriers included it out of the box, but most seem to be releasing updates with it already.
[Motorola Droid 3] bArAbAts:
hi there,

lately i've been having problems with Whatsapp and my hw keyboard....when i try to use it the whole phone locks up! and i have to pull battery!

when i use onscreen i dont have any problems!!

ive been having problems since last version, ive contacted whatsapp but they say it phone related! i sending them logcat logs tomorrort and they are investigating!!

i was just wondering if anyone else had problems atm???

i'm running debloated stock 906!

ive tried; reinstall whatsapp, recover older version of whatsapp, factory reset of phone and recover backup from TB, even full recovery and new whatsapp install! (without recovery!)
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
Nope, running 7326 works fine in both GB and CM10 with keyboard
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Capt.PP:
Update: version v.2

Though N4 is not support OTG yet, it doesn't hurt to buy micro USB OTG to microSD ready for our N4! Instructions here.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] eep2378:
Can I join this guild? ;)

Sent from the Nodes of Ranvier
[Nexus 4 Accessories] RedBlueGreen:
Its good and all.. but its probably better to have a wired one.. that way it wont get in the way.. you can just move the wire around
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Capt.PP:
I would be honor, what's your suggestion? :D

I had a wired like this but it got in the way. Move the wire around like by holding it with a finger while streaming? Can you draw a diagram to clarify?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Capt.PP:
Update: version v.2
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] az18zz:
How or what method is there to root sprint latest update ? Can yu use the same method?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] BlackWolf757:
I used the CF Auto Root with no problems...
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] az18zz:
So the same one that was for the LJ1 ..b4 LJC came out ?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] rickjames37:
Cf auto root..how did u do that...I cant root either after the new update
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] skw5115:
I used the toolbox that worked for me but auto root didn't
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] rickjames37:
Thanks a mil...I looked what cf root meant on xda..and it led me to what a needed..I used the cf auto one it worked...then reflashed the old way..and got twrp back..thanks again
[Atrix 4G General] Slymayer:
I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.

Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?

For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.

This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach

THE

ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.

The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.

Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it ! :mad:

So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?

The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten. :(
[Atrix 4G General] moderaterain:
I think that leak does not come with the source code. Thus there will not be any practical improvement right now.
[Atrix 4G General] BravoMotorola:
Or, most likely ever. I doubt things will go much farther, and I'm usually the optimistic one:(
[Atrix 4G General] Pixelguy:
no chance

nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.

its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.

i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.
[Atrix 4G General] Jotokun:
Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.

Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.

With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.
[Atrix 4G General] lehjr:
Having the kernel source would solve many issues, but after Motorola abandoned the device it's very unlikely they'll commit any more resources into releasing the half working source code. Of course we'd like to see the source released as it existed under development, but from what I understand, the the source that gets released isn't always exactly the same as what they work with when they compile it and things like extremely helpful comments in the code get removed because of things like NDA's. And although many of the libs and drivers can be extracted from the ROM, the code to use them has been lost.

As it stands, the Atrix Rebirth Project is probably the best chance for seeing a fully functional kernel source for ICS and beyond. But as has been pointed out already, interest in the device has been dying, and even if the project does manage to make it happen, it's not going to happen overnight.
[Atrix 4G General] Pixelguy:
hmm i used pinters cm10 for a week and went back to MROM cm7 and customised it to my liking with ICS themes and text changers, looks just like ICS runs just as smooth as a buggy JB rom, thats the problem the performance of CM10 roms without HWA is about the same as a good CM7 rom... just with a few features like google now which nobody really uses anyway, although i understand where your coming from when it comes too the UI and animations on JB roms they are very nice but id rather sacrafice them and have a phone that will work 100%
[Atrix 4G General] hakoch2:
I'm very naive to the inner workings of android

I also returned to mrom from epinters cm 10 and icsrom because of lack of camcorder or terrible battery life.

Now with mrom I have a very smooth launcher and all apps working. I do miss jellybeans nice interface, but what are the more fundamental improvements that gingerbread lacks? Besides feeling outdated and old of course :/
[Atrix 4G General] dcarpenter85:
Zero usefulness. Novelty item at best.
[Atrix 4G General] Zeljko1234:
It's interesting to read opinion of no-developers is it something useful or not. Only developers could say something about it. Also most of you are so pessimistic, complaining that developing is dying.

xda-developers is for site and forum for developers. If you think that developing is dying, come on, do something about. Join Atrix Rebirth Project, start to learn how to develop kernel and rom. There is a lot of guides here and on Internet. Instead of spending time on forum and waiting that someone else do it for you and for free. If you don't have time to learn, contribute on another way: support developers, donate money or device, try to find solution, use your contacts to get leaked sources...

The easiest way is to buy a new device and start complain after a while ;)
[Atrix 4G General] yar2:
I have been very pleased with the stock GB rom. I have a Nexus 7 and an old HTC Aria, both running the latest version of JB and, other than a more up-to-date appearance, there's really nothing I can't do on the Atrix that I can do on the JB devices.

Its amazing what the developers have been able to do with the HTC Aria. It has very little memory, but they have created virtually unlimited program memory by using an extended partition on the SD card. The Aria also runs JB almost flawlessly.

If JB could run on the Atrix 4G the way it runs on my Aria, I would use it. But from what I've read, it has a long way to go. I am not even sure I would even be able to root my Atrix, which has the latest GB update from Motorola.
[Atrix 4G General] sathelate:
Yeah right ! talking about this leak ... is a >small< step foward !

Just imagine Michael Montuori out of here, Or the Bill ?! epinter !? Faux, or jocker that has made a wonderfull job and the other in the early days of the atrix .... all source code builder out of this atrix family at once !

Well ... Motorola doesnt have a great support for the moment ! as their Blur OS is ****ty slow ! :S

I own a Car dock, A HD Multimedia Dock and a great lapdock !

I approve that this is still frustrating (and i know the devs out there are NOT getting Paid enough for a better work than MOTOROLA itself,) that motorola own product doesnt have support yet ! but still have on a direct DHMI cable straight to the tv !! WTF ?!?!!

Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha

Our devs are GREAT but unfortunately, we still need that damn MOTO support for their drivers source for the new OS :S

Meanwhile
[Atrix 4G General] Slymayer:
I would even say "Bordel à couilles de constructeur de mes deux !". I'm writing this using my lapock... On my tiny screen, with my main screen at 45° so I can still read what I'm writing. I dreamt about WT3.0 with working LAPDOCK, it would have been so gorgeous, but it's currently not happening. "Nique cette merde !", I'm buying a Windows Phone next year when the ecosystem gets more apps and stuff. The news are getting warmer for this OS ! :) The amazing keyboard made in WP7/8 will replace my lapdock I use as a keyboard.
[Atrix 4G General] lehjr:
Development IS actually dying, look at the Atrix 4G development section where there used to be several ROMs under active development there are now just a few. Nearly everything that can be done has been done with the exception of what the Atrix rebirth project is doing. But there is no guarantee of success. If you have the money or a device to donate to the rebirth project, great, by all means go for it. Maybe one of the other tegra based moto devices might help a bit too. Unfortanately I think it's pretty hard to hold any level of optimism for the device after such a long string of let downs.
[Atrix 4G General] Maringer:
I see the ICS leak as interesting but not overly useful.

Now, if they'd also leaked the source code, I don't doubt that the devs could have created a fully-features and stable ICS/JB within a couple of months. However, with no source for such a buggy leak, we're reliant on a few people trying to create a kernel almost from scratch. I wish them well, but I'm not holding my breath...
[Atrix 4G General] BravoMotorola:
When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
[Atrix 4G General] Zeljko1234:
Like you? And you think that you're smart. That's exactly what vendors wish, get a new device. Bravo :D

Edit: With your latest posts in Atrix forum you're the same as maggedo or member with Atrix in name. Ups, you have Motorola :D

How long N4 will be the best device for you? What I see not so long :D
[Atrix 4G General] schwarzlichtkind:
I think it's interesting how people work:

First everyone was crying about the fact, that Motorola left us out in the cold and now that we have a actually really good leak, people cry that it's not good enough... That's just sad. The leak is useful and it's a big step into the right direction. A lot of people put in hours of work for you (and for FREE!!!), to make this leak better. All you need is PATIENCE. Be grateful that some devs stick to this EOL-device and provide great work for us.

-Just my 2 cents-
[Atrix 4G General] Slymayer:
And... What about people who can't get a new device ? I bought mine like 6 months ago, it was for my birthday and I can't waste money on a newer phone like this.
[Atrix 4G General] sxg75:
But there must be some kind of "break-even" ahead.

How many hours of work and energy may be put from the most "valuable brains" into the leak (without having sourcecode), until they must decide: "enough is enough, it just will never turn out as "stable"?

From what I've understood there exists some good chances that maybe some day valuable parts of the XOOM kernel get migrated to the Atrix (see respective thread under development area).

May the last remaining devs of a dying device - whose work I greatly respect and appreciate! - join forces and turn more efforts into porting the xoom?
[Atrix 4G General] Maringer:
My point was that, without the source code, the leak is of limited use to the hard-working devs.

As it stands, the kernel appears to be buggy enough that good battery life isn't going to be achievable. Unfortunately, this makes it of little interest to me personally.

I'll continue to use the excellent ROMs from the likes of epinter and Th3Bill even if they lack 'proper' ICS/JB kernel support. I just find it disappointing that they and other devs aren't able to get access to the source code of the leak which would enable them to improve things greatly.
[Atrix 4G General] aaron.a:
Hmm I think its early yet for this conversation. If I personally were a kernel hacker I know what I'd be doing right now. I'm not however, so I have no idea what work is involved or benchmarks regarding the dreaded eta. My assumption is that a man or a few men who have that kind of skill are working on it. An assumption won't do? I propose we redirect: are there any kernel hackers in the room? Is the leak legit? Can you mod it? Can I kindly suggest that anyone asking you, my hard working kernel hacking pal, for an eta is a scrub douche ****? I can haz eta? =D
[Atrix 4G General] BravoMotorola:
Nobody sees my point. You can still use your phone with the roms available, but I don't think its worth all of the time trying to "fix" these failure updates when the possibility of progressing is low. Now if a developer is stuck with it and he thinks its fun to try then that's great. I'm just thinking that all of this time is going to be completely wasted and its still never going to dig the Atrix back up.
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
"It looks difficult. We probably won't even make it. I don't think it's worth trying. We best just give up right away."

If everyone had this attitude, as they say, we (the humans) would still be living in the trees.

If you don't want to put any effort into this, that is your own business. But don't spread negativity and bad karma among those who are willing to try.
[Atrix 4G General] Zeljko1234:
I agree, this thread shouldn't be started at all. Everyone who moved to another device could just post here and leave rest of us without pessimistic comments.

For others, contribute how you can. mmontuori made public call already to join him.
[Atrix 4G General] Slymayer:
Well now with enough pessimistic comments there's a reason to continue the campaigns to get a source leak since it's not really useful. Since we had this leak they just drown.
[Atrix 4G General] BravoMotorola:
Ok, well... its great if you guys get it all working. Maybe I don't have the right attitude. I guess my words don't really help at all in the side of development but its just what I think. Sorry.
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
The answer to the original question in the OP is quite simple: It is too soon to tell.

Let us not forget that the original leak came to us on October 9th. Today is November 11th.

The original leak was OK. The second was a hundred times better. For some lucky users, like myself, this ROM is a daily driver. All I need is slightly better battery life to be perfectly happy. That will come from a better kernel - which will happen. It just depends on whether someone builds a new kernel or we get source.

Everyone has a simple choice to make: Wait and see where this goes, or get a new device.

I am going to stick around for a while.
[Atrix 4G General] jhonnyx:
I agree with this, updatemymoto campaign was NOT successful. We ve got a leak, but its not nearly as polished... it should be at least some code or something at least more.... durable. I think we should relaunch updatemymoto campaign.
[Atrix 4G General] akshya11235:
But I was thinking, is it not possible to pick up driver files from the leak to be used with the current development th3bill, epinter and others are doing so that they can boost their already pretty stable builds.
[Atrix 4G General] rancur3p1c:
We need stable kernel for that honestly. If we had a stable kernel we could get JB running.
[Atrix 4G General] hakoch2:
This may not make any of you feel any better... but stock ics on Atrix 2 doesn't get nearly as good battery life as on my gingerbread Tom. Yes, trying to console myself and its working. Put a smooth launcher on and I'm pretty happy right now.

By no means saying that I don't greatly appreciate ics Dev efforts for my atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] jhonnyx:
I don't get it.

You meant to say that Stock Motorola ICS on Atrix 2? has less battery life than Gingerbread Stock on Atrix 2? (No offtopic, but just curious).
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
You must be new here. Please check the "somebody's CM10" thread.

Yes, that's what he meant.