yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] fivefour:
What?

I was asking how much entropy the poster had without Seeder because a kernel with high entropy will see little benefit from Seeder.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] t4d73:
I don't think entropy has anything to do with the kernel but whatever.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bgm0:
Amazing work, but as improvement even in your server enviroment.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Frandom

Frandom is at least 10 times faster than urandom!!! While giving good random quality.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mw86:
Lambx can you make Frandom an option too? Can you make an option for seeder to install Frandom daemon and enable frandrom to be used instead of urandom?

GS3 L710 4.2.1 AOSP Kt747 2.1Ghz ROW/Ktoonservative *Tapatalk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] swedkg:
Well, my N7 froze once these last days I've been using the latest apk again, but once it rebooted everything was back to normal. And I still cant tell whether it was Seeder that caused my device to freeze or not.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] BLADESMAN1889:
So I had stopped using Seeder - more to the point I had forgotten to use it due to it not staying 'on' as soon as I came out of the app it turned itself off.

Anyhow my phone got some sort of major lag today but even after a Reboot it was asleep and was opening pictures in the gallery one at a time etc etc.

This is when i remembered seeder and opened it up and wow ! Totally fixed whatever was wrong :thumbup:

Sent from SGS [CM10.1] via XDA Tapatalk app.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lambgx02:
Hey guys,

Sorry I haven't been around today; it was a very busy day at work and I just got home.

I have a sneaking suspicion that some device kernels have a bug in the /sys/power/wait_for_fb_* nodes used by the suspend/resume code in the latest rngd. I'm going to add an option to disable power-saving for anyone who is seeing black screens / reboots.

I've never seen any myself (on any of my devices), but if Seeder is in fact responsible, it's the only thing I can think of that might cause it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Hzu:
My device is no longer able to go into deep sleep mode ever since I installed Seeder.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Hinnne:
perhaps this will help.

i also noticed with seeder especially in the last two versions (1.3.1 and 1.4.0) that i sometimes get sod (black screen freezes) and cannot wake up phone.

i am not sure if seeder helps to get more performance. but for me phone was snappy and fast while using it.

Hope this freezes can be stopped so that i can use it again.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Jolest:
I've also been seeing phone/tablet freezes on my HTC Thunderbolt and Nexus7. When I UN install Seeder/rngd the freezes seem to go away. The freezes will sometimes end on their own, but frequently will last long enough that the system watchdog will hard reset to clear the lockup.

I suspect there's some bug in rngd that's causing it to occasionally go into a tight loop with no sleep/yield/select to allow the system to task switch.

PS: While I'm at it, I probably should mention that there's a bug in some implementations of Linux in the sleep code where calling sleep(0) can cause unexpected results including long semi-random freezes...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lozohcum:
This app is awesome! On my old GT540 with ICS it reduced lags very well. I'm going to use it with every rom. No placebo for me. Good job :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Martinhdk:
Sounds very interesting...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] blaz1nr:
You guys are killing me. Before anyone else posts some obviously not related to seeder app problems. You really need understand how this works. I have this running on 4 dif phones since day 1. not a single issue has occurred from seeder. Your custom Rom/kernel is likely the issue,in every case. I'm fairly sure the problem here is most of you have no idea how any of this works. Please research this stuff. Not every cus Rom will be problem free. there fore common sense should be used,when trying to solve your issues.

Sent from my HTC One XL using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jugster:
The question is, now that urandom is used and is non blocking, is that where the bottleneck is? If there is no bottleneck we will not see any improvements. But like you I say it could not hurt trying. If I understand things correctly this is not (frandom) something that is included by default in most kernels, but you could always load the module separately I guess.

Signature? Signature!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] fast50shannon:
It varies from 300 to 3000.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] edoardomarco:
Wow

it work fine! i've a cm7.2 based rom and i installed this app few minutes ago! first impression:

more reactivity of touchscreen ( expecialli in the apps, less in the system)

faster animation and a very bit faster opening of apps

final response: good, it has to be installed! good job, thank you!

(sorry for my english i'm an italian guy! :P )
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] reilus:
We can't put everything that someone might not read into bold red letters, can we?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pnsdhrn:
ON/OFF still not working correctly

Thank you lambgx02 for your great work.I have installed Seeder 1.4.0 in my phone(Milestone A853 with CM10-4.1.2).It is working fine for me except one problem.After making the switch to ON when I reboot the phone and the seeder again,it's switch will not remain in the ON position even though I ticked the box for "Start automatically on boot".Also I was using Home Button to go from Seeder and was not at all using Back Button.Hope solve this issue in your next update.With quidos to your great work,

pnsdhrn
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mw86:
This pausing happened to me a couple times using the latest seeder. For now i switched to just raising read_wakeup_threshold and ill keep watching to see if any issues if there even are any are pinpointed.

GS3 L710 4.2.1 AOSP Kt747 2.1Ghz ROW/Ktoonservative *Tapatalk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ludak021:
when using APK version, does "seeder" go to sleep when screen is off? I seem to be getting some battery drain at night while I am asleep and phone is in flight mode (no wifi, no network, 2G, no data - yet, I loose ~10% of the battery over ~8hrs). When I used .zip method I haven't been loosing more then 1-2%, same conditions. I have lots of wakelocks now, can't pinpoint them since seeder doesn't show up in regular processes
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] opz187:
So I used ryuinfernos entropy generator method and I haven't had a single issue since. Its been about 6 days. Definitely see a boost in performance and believe it or not, better battery life. Idk how but its true. N7 by the way
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] amerkiller1995:
Interesting, i also had bigger battery drain from the app compared to the .zip

Any news related to Frandom?

Sent from my GT-I9000
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mw86:
I was wondering same thing. Will anyone try to make a plug in to use Frandom as an alternative. It can generate faster with less effort and is worth trying out.

GS3 L710 4.2.1 AOSP Kt747 2.1Ghz ROW/Ktoonservative *Tapatalk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] fivefour:
You may see a slight boost in responsiveness but not much, your kernel allows for a high entropy pool by default.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Shryvone21:
The zip would be more for the people to do it manually or devs to implant it into their roms .

The app is more accessible to simple users for easy control on turning on/off the seeder engine and showing the availabile entropy

-your welcome*_*
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ludak021:
but the thing is, there is an aditional file for zip users that makes seeder "sleep" on screen off. We were just wondering if the same thing is implemented with seeder.apk (I know that apk itself can be even killed and that seeder process will still go on regardless).

What bothers me is this: my usual phone usage is ~1:30h screen on time, ~30 minutes wakelock time. Since I installed Seeder apk and ran it, my screen on time hasn't changed yet my wakelock time went on to ~1:30h in 14 h period.

Now I have it off for ~5 hrs (had to recharge) and my wakelock time is ~10 minutes.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jokkir:
I was getting random reboots/lockups today and pinpointed it back to this app. It wasn't freezing on 1.1 so maybe it was something that was added on the latest version that's causing the lockups/freezing? I haven't tried it the versions inbetween so I can't comment if there were freezes then.

I'm on the last CM10 Nightly (before they moved to CM10.1), marmite kernel and on a Nexus S (I9020T)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] coolpixs4:
thanks to all developers

I have been testing with lastest apk v1.4.0 , even I saw that the number of entropies when the service is on always at 4096, BUT I don't feel any improvement of smoothness compared with previous of install.

Now I try with other method with SeederV7.zip from Ryuinferno at http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=36479461&postcount=1924&nocache=1

However I don't know what does he mean for the Bold & Red below "

INSTALLING

You need init.d support for this!

Download and flash:

...."

Can anybody explain please ?

I just flash the zip file thru 4ext Recovery

zip file is about 1.2MB however in first post it is only about ~518KB what is different

How can I know it is working...or not ?

Thanks Don't shoot me .. I'm nooby
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
Means your kernel must support init.d (i.e. able to run scripts at boot)...and my zip is a script...the zips in the first post are only patch files for devs and the rngd binary (not required for end users)...

P.s. Labeling yourself as a noob does not do you any good...it only invites more flaming...experimenting or googling will help you better...;)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] coolpixs4:
Thank Ryuinferno,

Ok, I understand now.

My ROM support init.d because when I check terminal emulator

It shows me that

Seeder entropy generator: On

Run at boot?: Yes

=============
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ludak021:
You should notice seeder running right after reboot. I played with HTC HD2 and seeder is obvious and in no way placebo. HTC Desire should also profit nicely.

I just don't get the folks with HTC One Xxx and what do they expect to gain? Mind reading phone? :cool:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bajasur:
Apologies for not looking through the thousand comments. If you run this and don't like it, does your phone go back to normal after you delete the app.

Thanks
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ludak021:
If you are using Seeder.apk (as in: you have application in your app drawer) you just check to remove it from startup/boot and thats it, it wont run anymore.

Hope that helps ya! :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ad44891:
Nothin but smooth sailing!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] nhoc_huhu:
i flash this file...But when i I check terminal emulator, it writes:

Seeder entropy generator: off

Run at boot?: Yes

...i type 1 to on but it don't work.. when i type 3..i see total 3000~4049,

, i use Xperia S rom XTXv9 and kernel stock, my kernel don't support init.d but i đi this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1933849 and i think my kernel supported innit.d. Sorry my English is bad..Can U understand and help me??...Does Seeder work for me?? Thanks:laugh:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
As long as your entropy_avali is above 3000, then seeder is working...

EDIT: Re-read your comment...things are weird though...are you sure you used the latest version of the zip (v7)? It shows on when seeder is running as a process...the older versions depended on the detection of a file, which is not very accurate...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] beyeond:
I've been following this thread ever since someone i trust recommended it. Have tested it out plenty and definitely see a decrease in lag, but i really do think it has an effect on my battery. It's funny because seeder doesn't even show up in my battery stats so t this is very likely in my head. At this point i just have seeder in one of my swipepads and I just turn it in when I'm doing allot of multi taking. I think this is the best way to use it.. just my opinion of course, and I'm on a galaxy SIII so I can't speak for the older phones.

Sprint Samsung Galaxy SIII

Odexed Blue Holy Grail v2.2 LJ7 by strongsteve
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] erto90:
if i type ps | grep rngd in terminal emulator nothing appears..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pepoluan:
In my opinion, that sounds suspiciously like dirty cache.

Technical explanation: Part of the .apk needs to be (re)compiled by Dalvik. To save time, the compilation result will be kept in cache. If, for some reasons, the Dalvik used the older compilation, there will be a binary mismatch, and thus, crash.

After several days (and many intervening apps), the older cached code will get stale and purged. Afterwards, Dalvik recompiles the apk again.

So, my suggestion for everybody: After installing or upgrading Seeder, don't forget to wipe cache and Dalvik cache.

-- Sent from a GT-I8150 running ICS perfectly well. F'U, Sams#!t --
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] junbasix:
greats apps.. make my phone run smoothly like never before..

good job devs.. :good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Evo_Shift:
Cool, going to run this awhile on my Xperia Play. Not sure it's doing much on my GS3 though which I knew would be the case.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] koolbrader:
Dude, I noticed my phone's battery was draining too so I installed GSam battery monitor to see what was draining it n saw that most of my battery is drained by Maps app and System UI crashing. Well according to pepoluan(the quote below this), guys like u n me who follow the thread and keep ourselves updated to the latest seeder, we should wipe cache and Dalvik cache after every update.

If however ur case is different than mine, then I still suggest u to download any battery monitor, leave seeder on and check what is keeping ur phone awake or what is draining ur battery. Thats the best way to find out!

Hey thanks man. Sounds about right. I'll remember this from now on =]
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] fivefour:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

That's not necessarily true, my tablet has 3000+ entropy without seeder.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

Then it means that your tablet *might* has its own generator...like snapdragon devices...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mw86:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

Im not getting UI stopped responding message but i get pauses and two random reboots on stock volt and mhz. I installed seeder 1.4 by fully removing the previous version with reboot in between and made sure i had already turned off apply at boot and turned seeder off. Proceeding to then in addition wipe dalvik, cache and fixed permissions and still had the issue. The reboot issue may be unrelated to what you were getting at but I figured Id explain what i have tried and happened on my setup. At the time it was freegs3 a jelly bean touchwiz rom and had no rebooting issues before seeder.

GS3 L710 4.2.1 AOSP Kt747 2.1Ghz ROW/Ktoonservative *Tapatalk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] beyeond:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

I run Gsam, BetterBatteryStats, and cpu spy and as far as i can tell seeder is having no effect on my battery. I mean I get terrific battery life.. Have gotten over 6 hours screen time in one charge before.. it's just to me it SEEMS like the battery is draining quicker with seeder, but the evidence suggests otherwise. So yeah for now i just enable it when multitasking.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] usefulidiot:
On the Xperia Ray - and while I don't see any perceptible performance improvement, there is most definitely massive battery drain. It doesn't show up on GSam battery stats but monitoring behaviour after repeated installs/uninstalls makes it pretty clear that there is a definite battery drain issues. So for now, for the xperia ray, this thing definitely isn't working its so called magic!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bluxe:
great app. my arc s run smoothly with this.

Thanks a lot...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Abyssmal:
What rom/kernel? I have no problems since first versions.

Remove and reinstall. Use the apk.:good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] CGA1:
Strange, on my Ray I don't see any extra battery drain at all.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jamaljan:
hi....

Please could someone kindly help me. I've rooted my device yesterday and installed Erygit custom-rom 3.0. Can i Install this app Seeder for my samsung media player 5.0? Will it make my device run faster? :p
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] junbasix:
it will make ur phone run more smoother.. try it..:)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] naudmick:
Me without the application I 11mA of quiescent current !

With the application or its zip between 16 and 25mA !

After I look no further! CPU is the most sought therefore more consumption which is normal I think !

What will be the apk or zip v6 or v7 or is posted in the post !

The worst is the apk => 26mA

Zip v6, v7 ( old script ) => 21mA

Zip Slep post Step-han (script v1.4 update) => 16mA

Phone : HTC Desire S

Rom : ICE DS v6.5

Android : 4.0.4 ICS

Kernel : PATCHED KERNEL 3.0.57 ( :good: :good: :good: )
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] desalesouche:
deleted sorry..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Step-han:
@ Naudmick;

Indeed, the app is the worst for ur battery. I have also best battery with my own .zip.

For people who want my flashable zip; http://www22.zippyshare.com/v/15847830/file.html
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ineedone:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

What app did you use to test/get this results? I like to test it also
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] naudmick:
battery monitor widget => https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ccc71.bmw&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNjYzcxLmJtdyJd
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ryuinferno:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

Well...I do not get the difference between your init.d script and my script...they are using the same values (even my coding style...lol)...except that the comment line is different though...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] desalesouche:
what about the script from zeppelin?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] phonetool:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

Interested in the answer, too.

Zeppelinrox's latest Kick Ass Kernelizer has the expanded entropy management. There is nothing running in the background. It's a simple setting adjustment that boosts the available entropy pool.

Working well for me.

-MROM on DInc2
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] chw9999:
AW: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

Could you point us to the corresponding download post...? THANKS :)

--

Gesendet mit HTC EVO 3D and Tapatalk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] phonetool:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

No.

But the search button and the terms "zeppelinrox" and "supercharger" will do wonders for you.

(Ich bin nicht bose, nur limitiert. Sorry!)

-MROM on DInc2

Edit -

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=991276

Ok, now you have it.

Read the OP and at least the last 5 pages of the thread to get up to speed.

Viel Gluck!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] phrozen87:
This has really become a hot discussion so I thought I'd at least add some additional data to it. I have the 1.4.0 apk running on my HTC Incredible 2 with CM9 on it (so I'm a 4.0+ user).

Before installing I had a lot of lag on the device, and got decent battery. After installing the lag is nearly gone most of the time, and additionally I seem to have less problems with CM9 on the phone. The battery also hasn't gotten any worse at all for me. I also checked, as some people have said it just keeps the CPU maxed when the phone is on, and this is definitely not the case for me. If anything, my battery may have actually gone up a bit, since I can check what I need to on the phone faster than before.

I'm not a linux/kernel dev, but my experience has been really positive!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] purpleraintoxicity:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

I too can say that my phone is much smoother, and battery didn't changed. I gave lots of apps syncing and I have about 5%/hour on 3g idle... Will post screenshots tomorrow
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Step-han:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

Maybe we had the same idea about the init.d script. I think only diffrent between your .zip and mine is that my rngb is based on v1.4.0 with some tweaks in it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] opz187:
Zeps method is still waking up the CPU just as much as seeder does, still waking up processes
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] phonetool:
Re: [APK] Seeder 1.4.0 entropy generator to provide significant lag reduction

Interesting. So whatever fills the pool is working harder to meet the new setting.

Well, I can't say I didn't expect that.

Perhaps a smaller number (say, 1376/2) would give enough entropy without taxing the system so much.

-MROM on DInc2
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] zeppelinrox:
It effects cpu as much as the price of rice in China would effect it.

Do you even know what it is or even tried it?

I already know the answer is no.

I'd also like to know if you're able to suck and blow at the same time?

Pro Tips: 1. Don't contradict yourself or else your credibility is nil. 2. Speak of what you actually know about instead of spreading misinformation.