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[Nexus 4 General] InvalidUsername:
No, because common sense would tell me that he has probably ran a benchmark or game before the review, and what we are seeing are the effects of throttling...I don't want a phone that's going to lag every time I watch a video or play a game. If I knew this to be the case, I would've never sold my Galaxy Nexus.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVMvvXHqxU

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[Nexus 4 General] Shaky156:
So he has ran a benchmark before it or are you just assuming?

Cause if you're making it up and its not a fact I cant be bothered replying to you above that there is no lag in the first place so I'm unsure why I'm replying lol

It's ok though, most people arent bothered by what you're seeing, if it such a big deal, best not to buy it, you're better off returing to the Galaxy nexus :)

Oh on top of that even if the dude did a benchmark, common sense would tell you 9 mins has passed, the device has cooled down 0 throttling lol

I personally think it should be the knowledgable that should be able to comment about the device (elite developers), no offence to reviewers and users, but most don't know what they're talking about, just remember the HTC One X drama, lol over nothing screen flicker was a software issue :)
[Nexus 4 General] klin1344:
That is not lag there, just the animation speed. Go into developer settings and change all animation transition scales to x.5 and everything will new super snappy. Google just decided to make the stock transition speed slow.
[Nexus 4 General] P0MM3S:
The video is done with at least 120 fps, so yes, you CAN see the transition....
[Nexus 4 General] AppReviewBros:
You can change the speed of the animation, can't you?
[Nexus 4 General] mojo22:
that is clearly lag. Such hiccups and stutters really annoy me, unfortuneatley I see you notice them too.

I too think that this shouldn't occur while browsing the OS especially on a quad-core processor....
[Nexus 4 General] akbisw:
But you realize that the recorded video is 120fps while the os is running at 60fps. Last time i checked when you have something running at 60 frames you cant see the lag with your finger or eyes. BUT Even JELLY BEAN stutters sometimes, atleast on the razr and sensation that i tested(cm10).Sensation had touch lag due to the actual touch screen having like 100ms response delay, while the RAZR was super snappy and response time was just like iphone but it stutters from time to time. Again i never tested AN ACTUAL "JELLY BEAN" device so take this with a GRAIN of salt.

WILL I be SAD or angry if Nexus 4 lags once in a while, no. I have come to realize that the sh%t i do with an android device is unparalleled on anything else. While, I am actually a nokia fanboy Nokias but the lack of care for anyone not in ATT kills my desire for the 920.
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
good to see some good benchs
[Nexus 4 General] Faux Carnival:
Anandtech is great! They are still waiting for final software to release the full review.
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
Um, those battery life preliminary tests were cherry picked. They showed nothing but browsing. And since no one would put in 3-4 hours a day surfing the net on their phone those scores were meaningless and designed to make the two main Apple enemies look bad.

The Nexus 4 was still ahead of the GS3 in the battery life preview and the GS3 battery life is one of the best if not the best.
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
Looking good.

But isn't there the possiblilty that they only ran one test at a time and let the device cool down between the test to prevent thermal throtteling?
[Nexus 4 General] Jamal Ahmed:
Benchmarks never really mattered to me but still.... ;););)
[Nexus 4 General] yumcax:
Yes, there is that possibility. But if you look at the results on the Nexus 4 from other users, they are pretty close to these results, so unless everyone is doing it...
[Nexus 4 General] broons:
I put in at least 3-4 hours per day browsing the web on my phone just while at work. I have an insanely boring job. Combined with time spent at home its probably closer to 5-5.5 hours per day.
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
And I suppose anandtech also posted the benchmarks showing the the n4 has the highest contrast non oled display they've ever tested because they wanted Google to look bad?

Relax with the conspiracy theories. Anandtech probably didn't have the time to run the other tests.
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
Use your TV, Tablet, Laptop, Desktop, etc. more often. Better for your eyes.

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I am relaxed, but what I see is pretty obvious. They just so happen to run more browser and GPU tests than any other tests. You do not find that just a little sketchy? I do.
[Nexus 4 General] jacklebott:
Dang it, I was trying not to get too hyped about the phone, until it's in my hands. Too late now :p
[Nexus 4 General] bustem:
dito:D
[Nexus 4 General] qwer23:
Not completely relevant, but an index on battery life:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-optimus-g-battery-tests-are-done-here-are-the-results/

The Optimus G (same battery capacity, same SoC, same screen) did fairly well. Not overwhelming, but on par with current devices and in some test even 50% better than the GS III.
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
A french tech site has posted some pretty good benchmarks too

http://www.frandroid.com/test/116648_test-du-nexus-4/4/
[Nexus 4 General] Shaky156:
its funny was just yesterday I put this

"If the nexus 4 was running the sys dump I downloaded and had a look at, then take the benchmarks with a pinch of salt as it hasnt been optimized by google/ nor devs on xda, There's obviously a tonne of potential from this device!"

Hence why I also said, the current sys dump is pointless to port over to HTC Desire HD & HTC Desire lol!

What's awsome is, that those benchmarks still hasnt put the device at its full potential!

Also take whats said on xda with a pinch of salt especially from trollers lol, most peeps dont know what they're chatting about no offence :)
[Nexus 4 General] Bjray:
About effing time good benchmarks start showing up.... :)
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
The linpack scores caught my attention, they are way too low, S4 prcessors usually score 3 times higher,

which shows that there are major software issues and allot of room for improvement.

multithreaded: (Source: french website)

inconsistent result??????
[Nexus 4 General] omersak:
Those are quite bad. 3597 in Quadrant the lowest i've seen yet.
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
the newly updated glbenchs are MUCH better and much more what i expected...

Also that linpack that someone posted , was that multi-threaded?
[Nexus 4 General] jacklebott:
I don't remember where, but didn't someone on another thread post that they got 377MFLOPS on multithreaded linpack?
[Nexus 4 General] Daemos:
Only in talk time did the optimus g beat the s3. So overall was 45hrs endurance for the optimus and 50hrs for the sgs3.

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_vs_samsung_galaxy_s_iii-review-838p3.php
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
Yea i remember this too, the result shown above looks single threaded to me
[Nexus 4 General] nico53laval:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVMvvXHqxU

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It only shows the closing animation --' And that one is always faster than the opening animation.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Had to mention. Even iOS stutters....
[Nexus 4 General] itsalexaye90:
Benchmarks don't matter. How many times does this need to be said
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
Yea . Usually that's right . They don't ... but they do when they show the CPU throttling ....

Its going to cause frame drops in games if its too hot . Which reviewers have stated it has been ..
[Nexus 4 General] manlisten:
So I went to an AT&T store to check out the Optimus G. I went into the menus to adjust the brightness but it would only go up to 72%. When I tried to turn it higher it returned a message that said, "Unable to increase brightness due to high temperature." I set it down and went back to it a minute later. It went up to 87% then gave me the same message. Pretty concerning. =/
[Nexus 4 General] stormtroopercs:
That sounds like a defective unit? They can't sell it if it does that lol
[Nexus 4 General] sarni84:
Apparently a lot of them do that too. Let's face it guys the CPU gets hot and throttles to quick. There is nothing we can do we just have to wait on that software update supposedly today and for the O G they are supposed to get one from sprint I know. I'm not worried because Google will fix that ****. So will the kernel devs we got also. Sh*# will be fine
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
:confused: Too hot from brightness?

Normally the CPU+GPU would do absolutely nothing for a brightness change, so no heat, as you said you waited a minute, a cpu would cool down if it was stressed with a benchmark before...

SO either LG has put some crap on it (facebook^^) which uses the CPU all the Time at max. speed even if its not in foreground, or it was a defective unit.
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
I saw it too. But its minor. Nothing to worry about. If that annoys you, that's not good. OS's aren't perfect. Heck, technology isn't perfect. Very minor in my case

We should all ignore benchmarks and throttling until we get the actual device :)

Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 4G
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Very true. However it is still concerning. I can't recall other top phones behaving in a similar manner when being reviewed on benches. Plenty of bugs, but benches are normally consistent.

I'm still betting on OS not being finalised, but don't dismiss low bin issue. Phone is cheap, so it's possible. If it is low bin, don't be surprised if it comes out clocked at 1.2ghz and UC gpu. It would still be blazingly fast in real life, but benchmarks would be lower and more consistent.
[Nexus 4 General] Slender Troll:
Just remember that the one you used is the demo unit. Most likely it will not be sold to anyone. Especially if it is defective, in which case the store should replace it with a good one.

Motorola Photon 4G
[Nexus 4 General] efrant:
Thread cleaned. Keep the comments respectful and on-topic. If there is an abusive post, report it, do not reply to it. Thanks.
[Nexus 4 General] manlisten:
Yeah it's possible. IDK, I loaded a couple of web pages, thought the screen was a bit dim so I went to adjust it and got that message.

Just found this tidbit from PC Mag:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411169,00.asp
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
new problem :eek::eek:
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
1. I don't see any significant lag in the video

2. The Nexus 4 in the video is not running final software

3. The Nexus 7 does lag!
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
... of the OG, :cyclops:

Anyway, this is interesting, is the display consuming so much power/producing so much heat that it needs to be dimmed?

I'm hearing such issue the first time, I would assume that throttling the CPU/GPU would be enough to limit heat, never thought of the screen as a factor in this...
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
hmm soo what ? N4 use same cpu - gpu - screen - speaker - etc :rolleyes: so it will have same problem ( i think )

edit : yes seems screen is really battery hogger ( way more than s amoled )
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
All I see is the icons fading down the the app drawer view fading in like it came from above the phone. Looked fine to me.

If anything this video made me want the phone more. Bye bye GNex.
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
This is a software feature, it could be implemented or not! To be honest I really don't care 66% brightness on this screen is still brighter than Amoleds at full brightness.

If I remember correctly the Galaxy S had a similar "feature", you couldn't use the highest brightness level when the device was charging.

No IPS Panels are allot more power efficient, the screen of the Iphone 5 is 3x more efficient then the screen of the Galaxy S3

If the screen needs for example 2 Watts at the maximum brightness, some of the energy is going to leave the device in the form of light, but the vast majority (I would guess >85%) transforms into entropy which heats up the device,

so it makes perfect sense to dim the screen to prevent the device from overheating.
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
Thanks for the information.

I would assume that this "feature" is not implemented on the N4, Google never implemented such features in stock Android.

Don't think so, the brightness will stay the same, if it really overheats it will just throttle the CPU.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
WOW :eek::eek:

i was thinking amoled is the most power saving screens :silly:
[Nexus 4 General] trell959:
They save power on blacks, but that's really it.
[Nexus 4 General] mojo22:
I don't really care for benchmarks or if the device is faster than some other device that I don't own or want.

But yes, I do notice these hiccups and stutters and it does kinda get to me. The app draw, different screens shouldn't lag at all! IMO Project butter should of been taken to 72fps and a little bit further regarding the predictive scrolling.

I understand that exiting a resource intensive app won't be snappy but the OS itself should be.....Not sooo minor in my case, not major either though.

And the gpu.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
No, the use a lot of juice.

Think of amoled has 1280x720 'individual' lights.

They create fantastic blacks, as these lights (pixels) are not actually even turned on. Amoled screens don't actually create black.

Everything else, needs more juice to create colours due to the technology used.
[Nexus 4 General] DKMikey:
This is random, but regarding blacks, why wouldn't iPS panels just do the same? Win-win situation. And yes, this post proves I know nothing about screen technologies on phones.
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
im scared of the heat...if it gets to 105 degrees Fahrenheit then i'll be fine. anything higher, i'll get worried
[Nexus 4 General] ballaz:
Because, IPS displays are (LCD) meaning there is always a backlight on. It can be dimmed but the pixels are not off like AMOLED pixels.
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
This would only work if the whole screen is black, then it could be turned of...

If only 1 Pixel is not black the whole screen (-backlight) is back on again.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Because its different technology.

You cant turn off certain parts on backlit devices. (think of your tv, blacks are shown, but still backlit and it goes darker when you turn off the tv)

Even to create black, the backlight is always on - think of it as a valve, open it fully for bright whites, close it almost completely for black - but the light is always on.

As for AMOLED, blacks are fine as it creates them by turning off 'pixels' - this is the big difference , but to create a white - it has to turn up the full RGB matrix for each pixel to full, and when it needs to do that for a whole bunch of individual pixels - it uses a lot of power.

Hard to explain, but hope you understand.

Basically, anything the screen displays on AMOLED uses more power than backlit screens. Black doesnt, because the screen doesnt create black - it simply turns off the part of the screen.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
AMOLEDs are just hyped too much, in all aspects.
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
There is still some light passing through the pixel on an AMOLED screen when it's displaying black.
[Nexus 4 General] Kookas:
That would look worse than just keeping the backlight on the whole time, because it would flicker.

Also, AMOLED is more efficient with darker colours, but in the majority of use-cases where the colours are bright (web-browsing, almost all websites are black text on white, as are reader apps, any app with text in, really) LCD is killing it.
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
I seriously think AMOLEDs made sense back in the Nokia N85/86 Symbian days.

The Symbian UI is has a lot of black background color. And limited web browsing capabilities.

Nowadays you can count with your one hand the websites are in black background and white text. This effectively nullify the "black color power saving" of the AMOLEDs.

After I saw what Sony can do with their Super LCD on Xperia S (still think that's one of the best LCD I've ever seen: 343ppi), I'm convinced that AMOLEDs are not special in any way.
[Nexus 4 General] abhi2889:
Actually when my s2 got the 4.0.4 update, if you go to settings it shows that maximum brightness has been decreased to prevent heating. So i don't think there is a problem.
[Nexus 4 General] enviii:
Hold on, I'm confused here about AMOLEDs. If they have the ability to turn off specific pixels, doesn't that mean it's more energy efficient? Compared to IPS which you guys are saying is always on?

Ability to completely turn off vs always on. Turning off seems like a larger power saver to me.

Sent from my One X
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Backlights use little power compared to turning on & off each individual pixel all the time.

Amoled only uses less power on black, due to them being turned off.

Anything else, red, green, blue, white etc etc all use more power than any backlit device.
[Nexus 4 General] apzalo:
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/super-amoled-hd-and-ips-hd-displays-compared-by-lg/

There is a graph on that site with power comparisons between displays at different white percentages. Hopefully that helps some people understand.
[Nexus 4 General] FriendlyFire:
Considering that's marketing material from LG, I'm not exactly surprised it's saying LG's IPS panels beat Samsung's AMOLED panels.
[Nexus 4 General] apzalo:
I realize this, but it is a nice visual aid to help people understand that as more white appears on the screen, OLED screens draw more power. It just seemed like people weren't able to grasp that concept.
[Nexus 4 General] Mohit12:
Wasn't the Google update supposed to hit the review phones today?

When will they post an updated review?
[Nexus 4 General] deltatux:
It's still midnight here in North America, you have to wait.

deltatux
[Nexus 4 General] DKMikey:
That was a beautiful explanation. Thank you.
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
Not to be annoying .... but why are we talking about screens in the benchmark thread ...
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
Just roll with it :p

Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 4G
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
I am waiting for news too, let's see what this update will reserve us!
[Nexus 4 General] iluk3:
Here's hoping an updated OS & Kernel will help with the performance 'issues'.

Quite a lot of the benchmarks that rely a lot on software optimisation is where the Nexus seems to be falling behind (not all of them), so maybe software updates will help smooth these results out.

Tests like Geekbench 2 are showing the Nexus 4 slapping the iP5, S3, Note II and Optimus G in the face and throwing up it's middle finger on the way past.

In all seriousness, people have to remember that even with the current performance, this phone screams past all of the other £300 offerings but I'm still waiting on the OTA to confirm thermal throttling rumours and hopefully fix batter life :) All phones have bugs when using pre-release software, most of the review devices are using Kernels from mid October, before the phone was even announced!
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
I am worried about thermal throttling rumors, I hope that the update will fix the situation. For what concern the battery I read a lot of conflicting opinions, for example this review (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/nexus-4-two-thirds-of-a-great-phone/) shows a great battery life (if i well remember also Anandtech talks about a good battery life).
[Nexus 4 General] manlisten:
Most sites are not going to post an updated review. They already got their page views.
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
I hope that, at least, they will underline the improvements with the new software.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Your welcome :)

It's not the easiest thing to try to explain, but glad it helped.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Not sure if that was covered, but browser benches were done with chrome, with comes as default. From my (and many other people) experience chrome still sucks on Android, and could the browser benches low due to that? Has any reviewer tried it with ics browser?
[Nexus 4 General] manlisten:
New GL Benchmark test video hit YouTube:

[YOUTUBE]m2RBOYiJbnU[/YOUTUBE]

The Egypt/Egypt HD scores seem pretty in line with the Optimus G. Better than Anandtech's initial test.

Still more interested in battery performance but take it for what it's worth.
[Nexus 4 General] omersak:
Here's a screen-cap of the results. He doesn't state if it's the new firmware or not.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Yep, great results.

Screen cap with iPhone 5

2 wins each, 2 draws.

Am I right in thinking the HD ones are better to win in a GPU comparison?
[Nexus 4 General] abe in space:
Perhaps on certain things, sure. But how could Chrome possibly be responsible for throttling?
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
I'm surprised the Adreno 320 is so close in terms of power to the the SGX 543 MP3. I wonder how scores would look if the iPhone5 &

N4 shared the same resolution.
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
he said in the comments he got the usual build with octobor 12 same as all the other reviews .
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
Exactly, so this is not the new firmware...
[Nexus 4 General] nic85:
old beta fw guys,i asked to him :good:
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
How's is that even possible ? i feel i must solve this riddle , just like Sherlock Holmes did .
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
didn't look like it was in a freezer there!! nexus 4 4 the win
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Its very good results, (and yeah, no freezer used here lol)

I just checked my HOX with Tegra3, here was the result:

Sure, HOX is 7 months old - but still, S4Pro is a massive boost.
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
Awesome results . Great to see no freezer was needed !
[Nexus 4 General] abhi2889:
Actually i expected the same. It must be software related issue because my s2 gets so hot after a little use on some firmwares and in some it doesn't.. So it should be solved by software.. But this result is obtained from old firmware, it's strange.. Atleast it solved my confusion, getting it on the first day... :)
[Nexus 4 General] sahil kaul:
That is just Amazing.. :D
[Nexus 4 General] coolplay7:
Hey guys I'm from Germany and a german website(chip.de) did a Test on the Nexus 4

Here are the results:

Browserbenchmark.rightware: 99659

Vellamobenchmark: 1655

Screen : 380 cadera/cm²

Contrast: 159:1

Time to open:

Browser : 1sec

Contacts: 0,5 sec

SMS: 0,85 sec

Not a single lag until now during the test...
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
Probably I'm wrong with this statement, but: "Thermal throttling problems should not underline only if I do at least two consecutives benchmarcks?"

If I well remember anandtech's first benchmarck were good too and the thermal problems become clear with the second test.

Tell me if I'm wrong and sorry for my ignorance =)
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
damn , can't wait for today ota :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:

i hope today the kraken will released by Google :p

[YOUTUBE]7SqC_m3yUDU[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 4 General] steviewevie:
No, no, no ! How dare you post a benchmark result that appears to match the expected performance of the cutting-edge hardware !
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
If true, then everyone is fussing over nothing.

Because running these selected benchmarks that were tested, heat up a phone higher than any game would.

& don't forget, this is still early software.
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
Oh yeah ... they said if they run whole suit it crashed but if it run one by one it works .

in the video did they run the whole GLB suit test?
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
Got it! So can we consider that there are no thermal throttling (at least in this case)?

Thanks for your answers ;)
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
They chose 2 selected tests.

Both onscreen and offscreen.

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Well, not saying its true for possible thermal throttling issues,

But, GL benchmark heats up the phone a lot more than any gaming,

Ie. GL Benchmark is what I use to dry my skins :) - the heat it produces is intense.