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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qpqpqp:
I don't understand what the problem is. If the item is defected you can always exchanging it free of charge. No question asked. I'm one of the Nexus 7 owner who preordered the item and was really hyped about it and was abit let down when i ran into a minor defect. I had to exchange it twice untill it was PERFECT and i'm kind of OCD about it too. You know that these companies are making a device where they make marginal profits and they have their own flagship device to keep up. They'l cut corners whenever they can especially in QA. If any1 ever owned an LG you know LG's QA sucks. That's why we have google to cover our asses should thing goes wrong with the device. You get a phone comparable to most flagship phones for have the price and Google handles the warranty so we are good with the service too. You can't ask for anything better.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Weirdly enough I've read numerous reports of how poorly made the S3 is and the home button is coming lose, plasticky, hairline crack out of the box, and many other QC issues from XDA members, but they're exceptions since most don't have these issues and I'd bet you were just unlucky. I've never even had a Nexus and had made up my mind long ago due to frustrating experience with AOSP on S2 that I'll be getting a Nexus so that I can enjoy custom ROMS issue free. I had a great experience with ICS ROMS on my Samsung Captivate thought it would translate to something similar with S2 on ICS but I found it smooth everywhere except the browser where it was slow and touch response was frustrating, which is a deal breaker for me. JB on S2 is a nightmare but it got better after memory leak was fixed but there are so many issues its annoying. Wanna have everything working on my custom ROMS hence Nexus is the natural choice
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nvertigo:
Everyone has different experiences even within the same phone. However I do agree that the community as a whole does exhibit nexus fanboyism. Every time a nexus comes out there is a better phone out already, or on the horizon. And they almost all have removable batteries, way more storage + expandable SD, etc. Yet the community fawns over each nexus anyway because it is "pure google".

Also, face it getting updates right away doesn't mean **** provided you did research and found an active developer community. My 2 year old epic 4g got a stable CM10 less than 2 months after nexus 7 was released and to this day I get nightlies as well as support from most of the big AOSP roms. Pick any good phone with an active community and you'll have a great experience without falling behind on updates. Quick nexus updates means absolutely nothing to most xda members.

Although, with that said the nexus 4 is beyond amazing because it is so cheap. But that's honestly the only thing that's stellar about it. I'll probably get it lol.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bdithug:
No you are wrong. Immediate prompt updates does mean something. As someone who doesn't want to flash a new ROM every week anymore but wants the most up to date software (stable), fast, constant updates does mean a lot. Coming from my captivate, I have to flash a new ROM every week or so to fix bugs, in order to have jellybean on my phone. I don't want to do that anymore. I want the most up to date software, and I want it working and stable.

So yes, prompt fast and constant updates from Google is a big thing to many people, just not yourself.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nvertigo:
I don't know about your experience and mine may not be typical, but I definitely agree with you. It can be a hassle. But I flash a new nightly like once a month and even then I don't really notice a difference, its just in case, or if I'm bored. My phone's cm10 has been stable enough to use as a daily driver for months. But like I said it really depends on the community and if your next phone does it well, it really wouldnt be a problem and you shouldn't have to flash often at all.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CrackerTeg:
I'm going to throw in my .02 here. I had an LG Phoenix as my first Android phone coming from an iPhone 3g (good move. I know). Yes, the LG Phoenix had next to no support but the few guys that cooked up workarounds to make CM7 work on it were great. I was happy for a short while. I will say that phone went through a lot and never failed me until I bricked the ever living piss out of it. I then picked up a Nexus S as it was cheap and its a Nexus. Dev support for Nexus devices are second to none. I then picked up a Galaxy S2 for the wife (we're both on ATT). Yes there's support for it but its buggy. I'm glad I have my NS in that regard. She will more than likely be getting the iPhone 5 as she likes the simplicity of iOS and isn't the most tech savvy person out there. Far from it actually. I digress a bit.

I'm looking at the N4 as its a huge upgrade for me hardware wise and my little NS isn't going to be seeing much more in the way of development as its already two Nexus generations behind. It happened to the Nexus One. LTE isn't a deal breaker for me as H+ works just fine. Also, LTE is a battery killer. Let's admit it. Meanwhile, with everyone jumping onto the LTE bandwagon, you can expect LTE speeds to drop significantly as more users get on it and H+ is going to have bandwidth freed up. My thoughts and there isn't a need to bash that. Think about when LTE was first introduced in the popular areas. Users were seeing 42Mbps and then watched it drop off to about half that when more got on. Anyway, the N4 is for me because I can expect fast dev updates and that's something I'm used to with my NS. I'm not a gamer by any means nor am I much of a social butterfly. I'm a flashoholic. I will probably never have vanilla Android as its a bit plain to me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raptir:
I have used several Android phones heavily over the last couple years.

HTC Incredible

Droid Razr Maxx

HTC One X

(Briefly) SGS3

And now, I have the Galaxy Nexus. Even though the SGS3 and HTC One X have better specs than the Galaxy Nexus, and possibly even better build quality in the case of the One X, I still prefer the Nexus. With every other phone I was constantly worrying about ROM updates to try to get a stable, stock experience. Sense and TouchWiz both disappoint me compared to stock Android. Even if the Nexus phones aren't the top-of-the-line Android phones, I can get the stock experience I want, as well as the prompt updates, while keeping my phone stock and rooted and not worrying about constantly flashing the latest CM nightly.

I don't think anyone says the Nexus phones are perfect, just that they're the best based on what's important to them.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XxStatiX:
A lot of your points are very much valid!

I do agree.

We will see what is true only after the Nexus 4 Actually comes out! Lets hope for the best!

Thanks for writing all that! :good:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wtr_dhd:
Whatever you thought to yourself was wrong or you did something wrong I've no idea. There's no freaking way the sensitivity/responsiveness is better on a Galaxy S2 than the GNex (talking about the Vanilla jellybean android here). The GNex's UI even feels much faster than that of the S3, tested this thoroughly enough already (have enough mates who have an S3 and they even have to admit the same in the end). The S3 obviously opens heavy apps faster and will have better high-end 3D rendering but I don't care too much about such things (My Gnex plays HD videos without any problem, supersmooth anyways).

You're talking about iSheep and that a lot of Nexus-owners are the same, but you seem more like a SamsungGalaxySheep to me.

Btw it's not 'cause I own a Nexus that I defend Nexus-devices, I even like iOS and its products (aside from the astronomic prices). But yeah, there is no phone better than the Nexus for pure android experience no matter what anyone says.

Ah yeah, and your rooted S3 running on a flashed aosp/aokp rom don't interest me all that much, I already said it before and I'll keep repeating it: I expect a phone to be perfect out-of-the-box, not everybody can be assed rooting their phone, flashing roms.. 'cause if we're going to start like that, we can discuss until eternity because each device has customized roms that may give different (good or bad) performance effects to each individual device.

I respect anyones opinion but it's just that quite a few of your experiences are exactly the opposite of mine so a lot of the stuff you said looks a bit biased to me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anirudh412:
Just one word (or is it two?) TOUCHWIZ

I am sure you know the benefits of having a nexus device. Not to mention the fact that you'll probably end up pocketing a few extra bucks in the process too
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
I'm glad this thread generated some real discusssion.

I'm not sure if you're referring to the international S2 or what, but the touch screen sensitivity issues of the Gnex are well documented. There are even apps available that were made to try and correct this issue. I'm not just rambling on about my personal experience, I've been an active member in every forum for every phone I've ever owned. Believe me, I wanted to love the Gnex, but the bottom line is it performed poorly when compared to the S2. I'm talking about the US version with the 4.65" screen (T-Mobile). And the Gnex I owned was the unlocked GSM version. Say what you will, there were (and are) several issues with the Gnex and this is coming from many XDA users. Saying that the Gnex feels "faster" the the S3 just tells me you don't know what you're talking about at all..

As far as being a "SamsungGalaxySheep", the only thing I will say to that is, IMO they make the best phones currently. The BEST phones. Not a sub-par, almost high end contender, but phones that set the industry standard. And if I was wrong Apple wouldn't have gone after them and they wouldn't be selling 30,000,000 phones in a few months. Yes I'm sure some people have had issues with them, but the forums for the S2 and the S3 aren't plagued with threads about issues. Check the Nexus forums.. the main threads that are active are all about problems/issues.

I agree 100%. That's only logical, and it's why a Nexus will never out perform the same mfg's flagship phone, ever.

I'm still getting the Nexus 4 and giving my S3 to my wife. Basically, at the price point even if I don't like the phone as much, I'll have a Nexus with decent specs that I can use until I buy the next flagship device (Galaxy S4? Note 3? Who knows..) plus I can always repo my S3 and make her go back to her S2... (evil grin)

I'm also fairly optimistic that the LG build quality is going to be good. From what I have read, they don't seem to have a bad record on build quality, just software.. which won't be an issue this time.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wtr_dhd:
I beg to differ, but before we gonna play a silly game of yes-no, go to 4.00 minutes in this video here, a good example of my point of smoother UI on the GNex.

[YOUTUBE]qN3EXAFRxKQ[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
Smoother UI is not an example of a more powerful/faster phone.

I have CM10 running on my S3 right now, but even before that when I was on TW running Apex launcher it was still miles ahead of the Gnex (which only became somewhat decent after JB was introduced)

I'm not playing any back and forth with you, in my opinion it's not even up for discussion. S3 beats Gnex hands down, all day long, end of discussion. :good:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
All I'll say is just because you and a few others had a bad experience doesn't mean its common. I've read too many threads, news etc. of people who say the same thing, reviews and video comparisons online also outline this behavior, the Gnex IS smoother than the S3 even when both on JB its faster. Devs who have both the S3 and Gnex have said the same thing, in fact project butter is reported by Codeworkx to not have been properly implemented by Samsung. The S2 stutters from time to time on stock ROMS but it performs great otherwise, hopefully 4.1 could alleviate this. AOSP ROMS are a joke, even ICS is still not stable, my Captivate performed better.

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That's whats called being a fanboy. The S3 is more powerful no doubt but its not smoother, that's a fact
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
Not sure what AOSP you're referring to, because CM10 is lightening quick on my S3. No issues at all

I don't see how any phone could possibly be faster/smoother. As soon as I select something, BAM it's open and running. Scrolling is smooth and fast. No stutter, no lag. So if you have a Gnex that opens things BEFORE your finger even touches them, then I suppose it could be faster...

But this thread isn't a S3 vs Gnex thread. Back on topic please
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wtr_dhd:
Smoother UI is an example of... smoother UI, this is what matters to me, not that some application starts up 0,6 seconds faster on the S3.... It is obvious the S3 is better specced than the GNex, especially CPU and Camera (and for those who care, speaker) so eventually a stronger smartphone, I don't see where I denied such thing..

GNex became the device it always should have been with Jellybean, on ICS it was not flawless yet android was heading the good direction there (but that has more to do with android as an OS itself). And no, the S3 doesn't beat the GNex hands down, it's all to your own preference. A Nexus comes out of the box with vanilla android, and a galaxy S device never will :) Every other android device will always be one step behind, and if you don't count our beautiful XDA community with, way more than one step even if you have to wait for the manufacturer update with their crappy touchwized/sensed/etc. version of android.

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Ah, seems you were faster than me to reply with the same thoughts like me :)

@OP: it seems in the end I do know what I'm talking about and I'm definitely not alone at all then thinking this.

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But hey. No hard feelings, there is no doubt the S3 and even the S2 are great phones especially if you love flashing (hence all the development activity) but all I want to say is there are a few things you are criticizing too fast and you should see things wider than only in your perspective.

When I had a DHD (with -it must be said- great development community too!!) I loved to flash roms too but there was a point I was getting kind of sick of that (realizing I preferred stock android feel, always coming back to AOSP'ish roms), that's the only reason that I went for the GNex. I always buy my phones without contract btw and here where I live the price difference between the Gnex and S3 was not that big, tested both of them and fell in love with the Nexus immediately :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
I agree with you on the software end of things. That's why I am getting the Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamesey10:
The LG Nexus is a $300 (or $350) phone. The combination of being a low priced phone and freedom of not being tied to a contract, it's badass. It's a great value, no debating that.

Would spending $300 more dollars on an iphone or SGS3 get you $300 more dollars of usefulness? probably not.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] red12355:
Agreed with OP. I love how whenever a review says anything bad about the nexus 4 the writer gets labeled as biased or a fanboy or whatever. Exactly what isheep do whenever the iPhone gets criticized.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
Hard to say. It would depend on how long you keep your phones.

If you hang on to them for two years, then yes $300 more might be worth it to most people. But I hear what you're saying.

My situation is, I already have that $650-$700 phone. So it's not a question of "is it worth it" for me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] figsology:
word

I abandoned touchwiz from the very start. I've been on the CM10 nightlies for some time now! but I totally agree with you.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ulmas:
Canada :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JohnnyL53:
I would rather not have a camera at all. That puts me in a distinct minority but one of the best styling points for the N4 as far as I'm concerned is the flat back, no camera bulges and the camera that is there is nicely unobtrusive. I would not buy a phone with a camera bulge.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamesey10:
I hear you. it's all about the money for me. I'm on TMobile, $50 a month plan. I want this phone to last at least 3 years, like my current phone (Samsung Vibrant). Over 3 years, I'll pay $1800 for the plan, and $350 for a phone. $2150 total. No one can top that.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sharpeyedman:
No doubt GS3 is much better phone than Nexus 4. I am getting Nexus 4 because its price to value ratio is just unbeatable. You see that kind of sale in old models that needs to go away to clear the inventory. However Nexus 4 is new and is cheap. Nothing more nothing less.

Who wouldn't buy GS III over N4 if GSIII price got dropped to 350?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
OT:

What S3 version do you have,is it a US or International version? I know Cyanogen is the maintainer for AT&T and Tmobile S3, don't know Verizon's while I9300 was Codeworkx, though he gave up due to frustrations with build quality and dealing with Exynos devices, still maintainer for S2 i9100 though. I trust those devs more than I trust someone who just claims no issues

Either way glad you're testing the N4 to see if its worthwhile

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How do you know something is better and you've never used it, and current reviews don't reflect retail devices

SMH
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zurginator:
I would use "simple clean UI" for Windows Phone and Android, but most definitely not iOS. I honestly hope that Jony Ives takes some control over that side of things....

iOS is the only OS right now that I would say is truly terrible from a design standpoint. Sense and Touchwiz aren't far off though.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imeem:
The reason why i'm getting the Nexus 4 (unless it has unexpected cons) because specs-wise and price, it seems more worth it than my former HTC One X quad 16 GB. I also want a unlocked phone and quad core + unlocked usually means +$600 and the N4 fits more needs (except for expansion slot). srry to hear that u have bad experience from Nexus drvices, hope it doesn't happened to me.

I was suppose to buy the GS3 but after finding out how ugly it looks and no quad core for NA, i didn't buy it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
I have the T-Mobile US Variant (SGH-T999 or "d2tmo", which is the CM10 designation)

Of course there are issues if you just run every nightly as it's released, however if you pay attention and stick with a nightly build that has no problems, then make the jump to the next stable nightly, it's a great experience. As with anything you have to know what you are doing and pay attention to the change logs. Right now I'm still running the 11/01 nightly which has been (for me) completely bug free, and it looks like the 11/04 is very stable as well. I typically wait ten builds or so before jumping to the most current, stable nightly, then I wait again.

For example prior to the 11/01 I was running the 10/25 build
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] richteralan:
All that long text wall just saying you are a Samsung fan.

No need to try to make it sounds objective or something.

Android fans aren't bad. It's Samsung fans becoming more like iSheeps.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
Everyone has their own perspective, take it how you like.

And I never said Android fans were "bad".
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Serious_Beans:
For me, I don't think the Nexus 4 is the be all end all of Android phones, but it's the phone that will run AOSP best, it's the phone that is definitely a big upgrade from the Galaxy Nexus (my previous device) and it's cheap. It's a good phone non the less, the specs are beast for the price and LG has good hardware, I was somewhat disappointed with the screen in the Gnex so I'm psyched for a non pentile full rgd subpixel screen at 720p resolution. I'm sure the phone will have it's faults and already is lacking certain things like LTE (have T-Mobile so IDC) and SD slot (been using the Nexus S and GNex so again don't care) but other than that, what more can you ask for?

My Nexus 7 is great, no light bleed, no screen flickering, no lag, so unfortunately I don't share the same issues with you when it comes to that and my 2 GNex both worked fine, no DOA, not that bad purple tint on low settings (kept it at 50% brightness anyway) and no lag either. The battery life did disappoint for sure, it was crap, not going to even say it's okay, it was crap...2 hours maybe 2.5 max of screen time for my usage is horrible, I'm hoping the Nexus 4 gives me at least 4 - 5 hrs screen time and I'll be a happy camper.

I hope your Nexus 4 works out because to me the Nexus phones have been the only phones that run AOSP well. I've had other phones, nearly every phone for T-Mobile and none of them ran AOSP like a Nexus so that's why I choose Nexus.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eksasol:
Yes it is.

Sent from my SGH-T959

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You missed the point, but somehow I don't feel like explaining it to you. Just because you can root and install custom roms on it and maybe lose your warranty while unlocking the bootloader doesn't make it a Nexus. Also you're under estimating XDA members.

Sent from my SGH-T959
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
Perhaps there is a chance that the Nexus 4 will be everything we hoped for..

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...premium-flagship-phone-that-android-deserves/
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abe in space:
Based on a review that actively makes excuses and dismisses benchmarks? That's like listening to nothing but home team fans all day and concluding you'll win the national championship.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
True, but it doesn't mean that the home team fans are necessarily wrong..

I was just sharing a glimmer of hope, nothing wrong with that, right? It's always prudent to look at both the positive and negative
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] woody296:
We won't get another chance... Mayan calender...were all gone next month anyhow.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
lol...

When I get the phone in my hands I will run some real life usage tests and report back to this thread. I will be ordering on release day
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XxStatiX:
Hahah Mayan calendar!

Post just got even more serious!

:D
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] woody296:
Android finally gets the best phone on the planet and the world ends.... I know that damn Apple is behind this somehow!!!!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XxStatiX:
Hahaha why would apple do so man :p what would they get.theyre getting wiped off too :p

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Lol

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] woody296:
Good point the anger level rose so quickly i wasn't thinking clearly, i'm ok now.:o
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bdithug:
Actually they found more time. Another Mayan calendar was found which now magically extends the life of this planet another 7000 years. Who knew time was that easy to find.