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[Nexus 4 General] hackarchive:
Funny that before getting the one x I was told that the s4 is way better than tegra 3 in heat management but it turns out my one x is way cooler than my Vega racer 2 on s4. My vr2 could fry eggs and lol the back was made in ceramic :D

从我的htc one x 发送!!
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
Not quite. It WILL overheat, but Intel is just much smarter in the marketing department. They just call it "turbo boost" so people don't get ticked off.

In a nutshell it is exactly the same: the chip (as far as the electrical design is concerned) is perfectly capable of running @ "boost" frequency until it hits that thermal wall and is forced to throttle to the "nominal" frequency. So they defined some scenarios like "1 core active, 2 cores, 4 cores" and corresponding max frequencies just to stay in the thermal envelope.

I suppose Google/LG should do the same and declare something like the S4 Pro @ 1.2Ghz with NOS (R)(C)(TM)(_|_) @1.5Ghz, so everyone is happy.

It depends what you deem acceptable.For example, I don't give a damn if a mobile CPU throttles after a few minutes of full load. Because it is just an unrealistic usage scenario in my case. Under normal conditions this means something is already gone really bad. No application should tax the CPU to the limit for prolonged amounts of time. Otherwise the battery will be empty in a hour or two.

Yes, LG/Google could make the metallic body and turn it into giant heatsink, like for example iphone5. So the CPU would not throttle. But are the extra costs and tradeoffs worth it? Not to me.

Just as a side note: let's face it, they took a tablet CPU and shoved it into the tiny phone. Qualcomm probably now smiles and says to the LG/Google engineers something like "we told you so". Just look at their marketing presentations:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/05/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-cpu-family-expands-past-phones-to-hdtvs/

S4 Plus or normal Dualcore Krait - high end phones.

S4 Pro or Quadcore Krait - tablets and laptops.

Or for example this one:

http://www.fonearena.com/blog/52689/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-pro-preview.html

So, to put it simply, S4 Pro is just too hot to be used in a smartphone form factor under full load for prolonged amounts of time. And frankly - absolutely unnecessary right now other than for bragging rights.
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
i think its a kernel sort of problem or something software related, partially or maybe fully. for example, i have a mytouch 4g that is running jellybean with a 3.0 kernel. however, if i do anything thats audio related, like listening to music for example, with the headphones plugged in, my phone gets very hot. it goes up close to 120 °C. thats not a very good thing, which makes the case for it could be a kernel problem.

with the 2.6.35 kernel on my device with jellybean, my phone never got hot while doing those activities
[Nexus 4 General] EniGmA1987:
People who are overclocking turn off the "throttle" feature because it can mask instability, not cause it. It gives the people a clue that they need to fix their ****.
[Nexus 4 General] mackster248:
Best advice ever. People are nitpicking everything about this phone.

Once I get it I'll be enjoying the hell out of it, good and bad parts of it.
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
I still can't wait to get my hands on his phone ....

But this has def put slight doubts in my mind .. if it can't properly run a 2 min bench that the optimus g with the same SOC can. There is a problem .

Taking quadrant for an example ... the nexus 4 is getting 4500 ... the optinus g is hitting 7500..

Now before anyone say anything yea I realise quadrant is kinda rubbish. But it the optimus g is out scoring the nexus in the CPU score...
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
optimus g is running Ice Cream Sandwich though. the nexus 4 on the other hand is jellybean, heck, 4.2. i am not too sure if the apps are optimized for jellybean. i know it may not have significantly been a huge upgrade, but its still something to consider. project butter was implemented into jellybean as well, so different coding perhaps
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
While that is all true... the thermal throttle has been proven by doing the tests in a freezer . Which pulled significantly higher results ...

Of course though the thermal throttle limit may be set too low ?

So we will see soon
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
im hoping its only a software issue for the thermal throttle being low...
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
But only in GLBenchmark!!

The Quadrant CPU test take like 30 seconds to complete there is no way the thermal throttle kicks in that fast!

It isn't the first times Benchmarks had to be optimized for new iterations of Android, the same happend when ICS was released.
[Nexus 4 General] albundy2010:
Turbo boost is not the same thing. I'd rather speak on your other points so I'll keep it short and not technical. What Intel did was address the debate of a faster dual core ( in MHz / single thread) vs a lower clocked quad core. Its not heat throttling.

Screw that s4 pro is just to hot for a smartphone and no app should tax it nonsense. If you're soc can't do normal task without throttling then it shouldn't be in the phone. Quadrant is nothing. It is a light outdated benchmark that doesn't even come close to pushing chips to their max. People run the test with their CPU set to the same min and max clocks for this. It is a useless bench because it is not capable of pushing chips anymore. Yet it looks like the n4 can't even handle it.

I don't but people play games on their phones. And if a light benchmark throttles the phone so will the game. That is normal use for many people out there. And is flat out pathetic if it can't run through quadrant without throttling.

They should not have used the chip then. Or lower its clocks down. Heat issues and throttling with light benches / normal usage is not acceptable.
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
If quadrant is so useless why do the new gen phones push 8000 on it when the last gen phones oc'd can get @4000.. seems to me it shows the improvement just fine.
[Nexus 4 General] Maroon Mushroom:
Personally I'm not concerned about benchmarking issues at the moment.

Remember the S2? It performed worse than tegra 2 when it came out. After an update it smashed tegra 2.

Hands on with the Nexus 4 has shown that this phone performs great with every app and game. Which in the end, is what matters.
[Nexus 4 General] wngmv:
This. Every phone at release was very snappy. There is no point in pointing this out. However, how would it hold up in 1 year when it becomes yesterday's technology? Or even half a year?
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
The Galaxy Nexus was already outdated when it launched, one year later it is considered the smoothest Android smartphone.
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
Thats why I said by Intel is much better at marketing :)

And yes, technically it is the same thing, just a different marketing spin. Instead of letting the cores clock at max speed and then throttle due to the overheat Intel does it proactively: speed is limited (another word for throttled) in advance where it is known that the chip is about to hit the thermal wall.

In the end of the day you get the same result: all cores at once running slower or one or two cores running quicker.

If Google were smart they could do exactly the same: declare their S4 Pro nominal frequences at something like 1.2Ghz where all 4 cores could sustain full load while still in their thermal envelope and a "turbo" mode at 1.5Ghz (or even more) if GPU is idling (very important for benchmarks) or there are only 1-2 cores active and so on.

By the way, apple seem to do exactly the same, there were reports, that their max clock frequency varies depending on the circumstances. Metal body helps too.

How so? Does it have some idling built in? :)

It may not use the fanciest GPU features, but if you constantly calculate something as fast as the CPU/GPU possibly can, then yes, it will be pushed to the max. If the chip would not be at it's max, it would generate even better results, no?

Well, it depends on what you mean by a "normal usage". In the smartphone world normal usage usually means short peaks of activity and then a lot of idling. Otherwise you have your battery empty in an instant and your phone running "dog slow".

Games also have their target FPS and won't do more as needed to reach it. Of course, in a year or two there will be heavier games and quicker cpu's, but this is inevitable even if S4Pro had no thermal problems. Gamers among us can choose another (better) phone, N4 never was marketed as everything for everyone.

And yes, I think they will eventually limit the clock just to sort out this sh**storm. I just hope they still have some CPU voltage headroom, so they could lower it instead of frequencies.
[Nexus 4 General] wngmv:
Have you played any games on Galaxy Nexus? It couldn't handle the graphic intensive games. I'd like it at least to be able to last a year.
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
If I recall right, on my Nexus 7, if I just ran Quadrant without doing anything else, it would have somewhat low scores. Putting the min and max frequency to the max (max being whatever the highest was prior; so if the range was 100MHz-1.3GHz, it would be 1.3GHz-1.3GHz), and forcing all CPU cores online, the scores would be higher. General point is, Quadrant might not stress the CPU enough to warrant highest clock speeds, or even force all cores online sometimes.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
Ditto on Nex 7 scores..

Regarding the Nex 4 issues with throttling, etc. Has anyone verified that the phone tested was a pre release model, test model or was it the finished product?

I believe these issues will be sorted via updates probably the first day with the first update. Show me these issues during gaming with a release model. and then maybe it us worth a tiny little concern but all this is is hyperbolic crap..
[Nexus 4 General] Capt.PP:
Someone replicate the butter test once they got N4 vs S3? The test would be running the same game. It would be a good comparison.
[Nexus 4 General] apzalo:
If they could afford the Red camera.
[Nexus 4 General] Venekor:
Marketing bull****.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] Stamatos:
Hey gang, long story short;

I lost my phone on Halloween, got my Asurion replacement but now I'm considering switching to AT&T to get back on my family plan with my wife.

I'm within my 30 days to cancel my contract. I don't have my original hardware but I do have a new Asurion one. I'm willing to eat the deductible to get out. Is this going to be a problem. any advice will be appreciated.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] kwiggington:
It probably depends on who you talk to but they might stick you with the etf because its not the original equipment you opened the line with
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] mha1021:
I think T-Mobile's Return Policy is 14 DAYs not 30days.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] Stamatos:
California is 30 days cancel and return.

I talked to tech support to reactivate my account to see if I really want to switch back or not and they said that it shouldn't be a problem to return this handset versus the one I got in store. It is the same phone and now it is 2 weeks newer than the one I got. I guess we'll see how it goes.

I love this phone, though and really hope I can convince my wife to join me on Tmo so I can keep it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] achusaysblessyou:
it should be fine, my store said that they'll charge a $50 restocking fee if I return the phone within 30 days (then again I bought my phone outright without a contract, so maybe no restocking fee for you).
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] Stamatos:
I know I can return and pay a restock fee with "original" hardware but does my insurance replaced phone count as "original" hardware?

Thanks again for the input and sorry I didn't think to stick this in Q&A in the first place.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] kwiggington:
In general no but you never know it's always worth a try
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] mdt73:
Why dont you take the phone with you? Not 100% sure the tmobile will take it back. You have a receipt for a particular imei not just a certain phone. I wouldnt be surprised if they flat out refuse.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] Stamatos:
Not looking good according to the feedback here

So what would they expect me to do, pay for the phone outright even though it was lost and I paid for insurance? Then after I cancel, what do i do with the replacement. This isn't a very good system if this is the case.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] geoff5093:
I've returned 2 new phones in the past 6 months on Verizon. The first time was with a GS3, the rep just looked at the outside to make sure there was nothing obviously damaged, never turned it on or checked the IMEI. The second return was a MAXX HD, where the rep didn't even open the box, he just processed my return and I went on my way.

I would say go to the store, attempt to return it but don't mention that you got it replaced with insurance unless they ask.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] mdt73:
Heres the thing. Your local t-mobile store is a franchise and owned by someone who sets the rules for that store, following guidelines from t-mobile. None of us are going to accurately be able to give you any insight into how the store will handle your transaction.

That being said, are you having buyers remorse? Is the t-mobile coverage bad? You mentioned your wifes family plan, t-mobile offers better plans vs at&t...cost wise. Whats the reason you are returning the phone?

For those who returned phones and are saying they dont check, they do and will. Your imei is in a lot of other places than just in jellybean. Again, its different by store. Just go in and be honest with the salesman and manager and let us know how they handled it.

What I missed in all of this is your reasoning behind getting rid of the phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II] Stamatos:
I love the phone but the contract is just more than I want to spend and becuase I can get the same phone at ATT, I just figure I might want to wait until I can just buy the phone outright or wait until my ETF isn't $230. Tmo has been a little spotty during my trial, a lot of data switching to edge or worse. So all in all, I guess I was just hoping Tmovile would wow me enough that I'd go the extra mie to keep it but they did not. So now I'm hoping I'm not stuck over something dumb on my part by losing my original hardware.

Good advice, though.
[General Questions and Answers] traskers:
Currently I am on a family plan through Sprint, with my ex, and we were planning on going in soon to separate them, but I was wondering if they would allow me to switch to my friend's family plan instead since I'll be living with him.

Wondering if anyone has any experience with this and maybe any tips!
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doc_fx:
Ok..Sorry to be noobish guys..but i am looking forward to get my hands on a nexus 10 pretty soon, but the "Never" mentioned on the android development thread for nexus 10 made me uneasy.. is it just that the device hasnt lainched yet so its that way or there will never be any development?
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Biohazard0289:
I would expect a bit development. Personally I've been waiting since the Nexus 7 launch for this device, and I can't be the only one.

No point in creating a ROM at this point though, no one can even test it. With it being pretty well priced for what you get, I'd be kind of suprised if at least a couple devs don't pick one up.

Patience.. :)
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Croak:
The "never" is just a default with this forum software, when there's been nothing posted, the date of the last post is "never". Don't sweat it.

It's a Nexus device with the expectation of full source being released, it's hot hot hot hardware, it's well priced and it will be selling world-wide.

There will tons of development for it, guaranteed.
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alias_neo:
There will be some super sweet customers roms, always is nothing the Nexus devices.

Me? I'm waiting on ParanoidAndroid.
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EDNYLaw:
Not only with their be amazing ROM development but there will also be custom kernel development. I know Francisco Franco has said he will be developing his kernel for the Nexus 10 and his GNex kernel is amazing. Nexus devices are made for development, they are the easiest to work with and since this is WIFI there's no carrier involvement. Updates are straight from Google the day they are release and they usually update AOSP source just before or in conjunction with the release so custom ROMs will incorporate the changes before or right after the update drops.

Sit back and relax, development will take off Nov. 14th.
[Nexus 10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doc_fx:
Nice to know that..shall have my hands on one soon.! :)
[Android Themes] roger0220:
i am a huge fan of android app. However,because of my work, i always travel on business twice a week.

so i usually told my wife some favorite app and require her to download for me.

But this time, when i look this screen , i felt my wife melt my heart.

To the world my wife maybe just one person, but to me you are the whole world.
[Android Themes] andrewlax120:
thank you. you're the world to me too.

wait wut?
[Android Themes] mbh87:
the photo is watermarked with a website, just spam.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] vash_h:
Before i got ics update for RAZR, i kept waiting and waiting.. Ranting and all for ics update to come.

Now that out finally came, the phone us now sluggish.. Every time i perform a factory reset, it is smooth.. For a couple of weeks before it becomes sluggish again. Not to mention the poor battery life.

I'm getting sick of this phone and recently decided, I'm going to get a note2.. With specs like that, i cant go wrong.

Sent from my Motorola Razr XT910 on ICS 4.0
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bwheelies:
I played with a note 2 today. The thing is awesome but damn! It's HUGE!!!

Maybe 5" with little bezel will be perfect...to me.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] vash_h:
It'll take awhile to get used to.. But the specifications is awesome ! Hope it could perform when they release the next update as well..

Sent from my Motorola Razr XT910 on ICS 4.0
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] perrinotp:
Somebody please help me out....I've never posted anything in any forum before but I figured since I can't seem to find answers to some of the questions might as well start asking them.......anyway I need to know a step-by-step guide to root my kyrocera rise.....I've looked and looked but I can't find anything really.....I know this is the place to find my answer please someone help me out
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jamstewonline:
Root VM Kyocera Rise

I used this method to root my Rise it says hydro but works on rise too.

http://www.cricketusers.com/content/646-root-cricket-wireless-kyocera-hydro-tutorial.html
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] WhiteiceDMSTech:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/07/sams-club-black-friday-ad-lists-galaxy-s3-for-0-96/

Sam’s Club is now the owner of the “Best Black Friday Deal Award” for the time being. According to their Black Friday ad, they plan to sell the Samsung Galaxy S3 for 96 cents ($0.96) the day after Thanksgiving. Yes, if you are a part of the club, you can pick up the hottest phone of the year for less than a dollar, as long as you are down to sign a new 2-year contract. Talk about a steal.

They will also have the Galaxy Tab 2 7″ and 10″ tablets for $179 and $299, respectively.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] ImEVO:
Lol good luck grabbing a phone! :D they will only have a certain amount in stock to sell for a freaking dollar!!

You cant beat best buys deal right now $99.00 with a new contract!! :thumbup:
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] GiantJay:
$50 @ best buy.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] ImEVO:
$50 WTF!!!! :confused: how??
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascertion:
Leaked best buy ad for black Friday shows that the 23rd, they will have the gs3 for $50 on contract upgrade.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] ImEVO:
That sucks i couldnt wait that long anyways.. :D. Good deal tho lol
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] xTmDarren:
I've worked for Sam's Club over 9 years.. Most stores will have more than enough.. Last year most of our .96 cent phones lasted a few hours.. Plus your biggest lines will be at walmart and other retailers.. I say if you want a sg3 for .96 cent.. You have a big chance in getting one on black friday..
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] RPerry435:
I know a few people who will be out there lol. Luckily I picked mine up on launch... 1st person to own an S3 in my area :p
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] clshores:
I want to get one for my wife but our upgrade doesn't kick in until Dec 1. Any chance they would waive the early termination fee for 8 days?

If not then paying $50 for a GS3 is still an awesome deal once I add the ETF.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] NYCHitman1:
Only way to find out is to call them and inquire. Let us know how it pans out for you though.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] ImEVO:
Call sprint and demand a "push through".. thats what i did... :D
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Speedin07si:
Figure I post a picture of the fine print, seems they price is good all weekend.

Sent from Pluto.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] baldy62:
Refurbs?

I stopped by the the Sprint kiosk at my local mall today. The price for the S3 upgrade was $199.00. So I told the salesman about some of the Black Friday prices and the fact that Walmart had it for $149.00 a few weeks back. His response was that the phones at Walmart and Bestbuy were refurbs. I don't think that's the case, but how about it? Does anybody know if these vendors are actually offering refurbished units?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] daryllh:
Course he would say that. He's bitter you weren't going to buy from him.

I'd suspect that it would almost be illegal to not advertise them as being refurbished.

---------- Post added at 01:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:40 AM ----------

Do those pictures say its available online, on Nov 21st or is that another product?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] CapsLockKey:
Did this apply to upgrading a line or do you need a totally new 2 year agreement? I have two lines I've been sitting in upgrades for a while now.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] daryllh:
Says qualifying service agreement on pic. Not sure how they'll determine that.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Speedin07si:
The small print picture is at the bottom of the main advertisement. I'm assuming it's for everybody everything on sale. But I could be wrong.

Sent from Pluto.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] rockypr:
About that Sams ads is bad news for me becuase here in Puerto Rico Sams only sells AT&T and T Mobile phones.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] daryllh:
I'm guessing price matching from other stores wouldn't be an option with this ad because it's a 'club' store.

I could see a Best Buy sales manager having a stroke when they see 50 GS3s being sold for $47 less than what BB will be offering on black friday. :laugh:
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] sparkie172:
Walmart price is still $148.00 here in az. The reason Walmart is cheaper is they own the phone so that's why its cheaper. I usually put the phone on my bill with sprint but you can't do it at walmart.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] xTmDarren:
Sam's Club = no refurb

actually I think it would be against the law to sell as new if it is actually a refurb. I do know it is against the law for any retailer to repackage any product that has been opened as new.. It must be known for the buyer that is has been used.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] clshores:
Finally got this to go my way. They wouldn't budge on the $50 easy upgrade fee but they gave me a $50 credit to offset it.

Now I can get my wife a new S3 and she can move on from the OG Evo 4G.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] drdansinger:
Carriers

Which carriers are available from Sam's club? Can you get the S3 on AT&T there?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] playya:
Yes you can AT&T TMobile Sprint for sure I can remember if VZW is down