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[Nexus 4 General] intern:
It's easy to take off, but it will be more expensive since there are electronics inside it from the pictures here.
[Nexus 4 General] tgyberg:
This is about the same screen on time I get with my LTE version (extended battery). You'd think without the LTE, 3-4 hours easy??
[Nexus 4 General] IllUMINATUz:
As far as I have seen in the Glass making department (in general) They make toughened glass by adding a layer of plastic between two layers of glass.. Like a sandwich. The plastic will keep the glass together even after impact. but in a small scale like mobile phone glass?? I am not sure.. but it could be tough..
[Nexus 4 General] Spitfire:
Didn't know that, thanks!
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
samsung d900

the only phone whos screen i cracked by dropping the phone

ive never cracked a screen since..

the glass back just means you gotta be slightly more careful
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
That's far from how its done. If you wanna speak in general, its usually heated and cooled at specific temperatures with a silice or "silice-like" compound that will simply result in either plain "tougher" material and/or disperse shock more efficiently.

The only thing that somewhat looks like what you describe is car windshields that is a tempered glass with plastic films both sides so glass doesn't hurt you and will also give it a somewhat second-life for small chips.
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
i doubt cellphones use laminated tempered glass.

its probably tempered, but not laminated. that might hurt touch sensitivity

looking at everyones broken (non-gorilla-glass) galaxy nexus, its not even tempered.
[Nexus 4 General] vpraveenis:
From the picture what i see are a few antenna extenders (near top right) and Induction charging coil (for wireless charging) below the black padding in the middle and the connectors for the inductive coil to the left. Not any electornic components/ICs. It might not be as cheap as an Iphone back cover but It should be maybe 20-30bucks.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/#faqs

Explains how it is made
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
I specifically denied it was laminated...
[Nexus 4 General] ap3604:
By gawd! :(

2.66 hours of on screen time is ****ing dog****! :mad:

Please LG/Google... don't **** this up for us by skimping on battery life (the most important ingredient of a smartphone).
[Nexus 4 General] supercakefish:
Has 2100mah capacity - same as Galaxy S3 and so will have same potential battery life. All it needs is proper software optimisation.
[Nexus 4 General] Slap-Yourself :):
That guy must wash his hands in butter.
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
I was hoping gorilla glass 2 was stronger! WTF, thinner, and maybe the same strength? STUPID! Make it STRONGER!!
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
...... what's stupid in that? It is RELATIVELY stronger. The fact that its thinner, results in better image, less weight, better heat dissipation and more room in the device (or smaller). Those are all far more important characteristics than how strong it is.

Its like wanting cast iron bumpers on your civic "in case you rear end someone". A phone is not meant to be dropped. Accidents happen, and that's why it exists, but wanting more and more and more of insurance vs actual utility?

Might wanna think about putting insurance on your front door.
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
It's not about dropping it. They need to have some sort of layer that can resist dust an sand particles. And by God I hope they have that screen completely sealed. I've owned countless phones that over time acquire dust under the screen and I HATE it.
[Nexus 4 General] ridingonfumes:
Still getting the nexus, but adding a case for sure.....I have had several phones with gorilla glass and dropped them all plenty.

....but just a few months ago I had my first gorrilla glass break on a sensation 4G. It wasn't a big drop just below waist level. And the ground was dirt with loose gravel, but it landed just right and shattered. : (

.I was suprized at how thin the glass was and the nexus 4 is supposed to have the new thinner "gorilla glass 2"
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
..... that really doesn't compute with your cry out loud about corning glass strength...

Additionally... things getting under the screen has nothing to do with corning, it would be poor phone design/build. And a layer that protects... that is essentially 1 of the 2 main corning glass properties..

Seriously... what the hell was your crying about?
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
Considering that the screen is chemically bonded to the glass, I don't think getting dust in there will be a problem.
[Nexus 4 General] ipfreelytech:
some points to note about the battery life mentioned in the review:

1. he had a VERIZON galaxy nexus, the LTE radio eats battery. The hspa+ galaxy nexus gets much better.

2. he did not appear to be using a valid sim card in the N4! notice the screenshots show Emergency calls only. And the battery graph shows the cell signal as all red! Battery life goes to **** when your cell signal is poor.
[Nexus 4 General] aceo07:
Good catch regarding the cell signal. In most of this photos, there's no cell signal indicated. There is at least 1 photo that did show full cell signal.

He may have only had 1 sim and didn't want to use it for battery tests, but it does mess up the battery test since it's not typical usage of the phone anymore w/o cell signal.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Battery life shouldn't be affected if there is no sim.

...
[Nexus 4 General] gie62001:
But trust me it is affected. Simply put your phone in aeroplane mode or take the sim out and compare results against having active sim with good/poor reception and then post your comment. Radio module is consuming quite a lot of battery.
[Nexus 4 General] fcng:
TPU Case

Dear All,

Just get a TPU case....problem solved... :good:
[Nexus 4 General] kieren2:
I echo this. I have a HTC desire and was using a location aware app (llama) that used cell towers. The interesting thing was that if cell towers were far away, especially 3G, the phone hunts for them and uses more radio - battery life is effected dramatically.

Perhaps because the Desire never coped well with 3G and now has an aging battery, this is easy for me to repeat. In the city I get the best battery life or at work by my desk. When I go to the park away from cells battery life is shorter.
[Nexus 4 General] Damanis1:
My photon 4g has never had the glass break, its gorilla glass, and ive throw it at walls just to show people, brick walls the ground, tables, so on
[Nexus 4 General] NeostarNeko:
I'm still waiting for one of these to go on sale...seriously where is the case accessories for this phone?
[Nexus 4 General] Damanis1:
Prob wait for phone to be released, im just guessing tho
[Nexus 4 General] PhilipL:
Hi

If you have no SIM card the phone still connects to cell towers in order to provide emergency calls, so all the same battery drain issues with a weak signal will still apply.

In airplane mode the cell receiver/transmitter is off and unless the device is broken in some way, it will be consuming no power for cell operations.

Regards

Phil
[Nexus 4 General] tgyberg:
lol, I think you need a new, less risky hobby! :D
[Nexus 4 General] -A-P-M-:
IMO glass makes Nexus 4 more premium and I like that. I drop my phone very rarely, but this thing can happen and my only concern is it isnt easy or cheap to replace it on N4, because there are some internals on back cover - rear glass. When my gf dropped her iPhone, I bought rear glass for 20 eur and it was very easy to replace, because it doesnt have any internals on back cover.
[Nexus 4 General] Kookas:
It's not the glass that needs give at this point, it's whatever is behind it. Gorilla has plenty of give, but if it is going to come up against something that doesn't give (the LCD screen, or the plastic backing) then something is going to break and it'll most likely be the glass.
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
I like how you repeat the word give 5 times, and not once it contextually made sense.
[Nexus 4 General] lowrider262:
What are you a bunch of 5 year olds? Get a case or stop dropping your phones! :p
[Nexus 4 General] apzalo:
Made sense to me.

http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/give_2

Side note: It was only 3 times in that post.
[Nexus 4 General] deltatux:
I'm getting a case regardless so personally, I didn't ***** about a glass back, but seeing how many iPhone 4 users have shattered iPhones, I'm a little bit reserved (then again they didn't have a case).

deltatux
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
I like that you linked that for me. Ability to bend or stretch. Also missing negations.
[Nexus 4 General] huntedsoul12:
I give a **** about all those negative reviews and will be getting my Nexus 4 regardless :)

Just sold my Xperia S :p
[Nexus 4 General] TigerCourage:
How the f*ck people can't get a case for their phone? Do they really give a cr*p? I have a Galaxy S and I have a case for it since day one! Take care of it and don't be a little child dropping it.

Get something like this: http://www.ebay.es/itm/Funda-cuero-...Domain_186&hash=item2ec0dac91c#ht_1938wt_1271 when it comes out and you have FULL PROTECTION BABY!
[Nexus 4 General] crawlgsx:
I hate cases. I don't use them with any phones. Making the phone thicker/harder to use rather than just being careful, no thanks.

That said I haven't broken a single smartphone I have owned. If you are prone to breaking phones, then yes, you should use a case :).

Personally I find the risk worth it to keep the amazing feel of a "nude" phone.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
I think the glass is awesome. If anything it should make us aware so we will not drop it. It will be such an awesome change to have a nice solid feeling phone for a change.

I had a cool flip top case for my SG that I always used and it did not slow me down any or get in the way. The case was the reason I was able to sell an older phone for a decent price. It did not have a scratch r mark on it after a year and a half..

So this miracle gorilla glass is scratch resistant but prow to breaking. Seems like a decent trade off to me.

Does anyone know anything about the difference between Gorilla 1 and 2? Is there a difference?
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
I ALWAYS use a case, but I wish I didn't have to. The Nexus 4 is beautiful, so why not show it off? I'm thinking about rocking this phone with a full body protector and a Mofi pouch... Even though I already ordered a TPU case. :P
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
GG2 is just better... they perfected the same technology. They decided that with the increased strength, the best benefit would be thinner, so it is now slightly stronger and something like twice as thin.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
That makes sense. It also seems to me that having a rigid back would be important with a curved screen. I am anxious to use he curved screen but I do wonder if it has an impact on breakage resistance.. if there is such a thing. Haha
[Nexus 4 General] AndyBurns:
I've not had a case for my phones for years, my only rule is never put phone and keys in the same pocket, my N1 is knocking three years old and hasn't got a scratch on it ... but it's time to upgrade to an N4
[Nexus 4 General] tng222:
Really, I don't see the value in buying a bunch of cases and protective gear. Think of it this way: you spend $40 on a decent case and screen protector, and yes, you have a phone in better condition when you go to sell it, but you're still out $40. Wouldn't it be easier to just lose those $40 in scratches and scuffs instead of cases? I think so, because the experience with a naked phone is waaaayyy better than with one wrapped up with a case. Not to mention, you shouldn't be getting any scratches at all unless you're the stupid sort of person who likes to keep their phone in a bag or pocket with sharp objects.

Side note: a lot of people seem to not realize that when they put a phone in the front right pocket on jeans, it can get scratched on the metal rivet that's usually there.

</2cents>
[Nexus 4 General] jacklebott:
And then you drop the phone once and the glass breaks, so you have to get it repaired. On the N4, there's no safe side to accidentally drop it on, so it will break when dropped
[Nexus 4 General] jonnyg1097:
I'm with you! Cases are the worst. I think that companies wouldnt make the phones look so good if they expected people to just put cases on them to "hide" them. I take extra precautions when handling my phone and I make sure that my phone is in my pocket.

The risk is definitely worth showing off of the phone to people and having them go "oooo what phone is that?" Although for protection all I would be using is a screen protector and maybe a sleeve protector. So if the phone does fall, the screen or corners wont be in direct contact with the surface its falling on and perhaps wont chip or shatter a corner or screen.
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
*throws phone at spiked wall with full force*

In any case, I hate cases as well. My Nexus 7 had a case, but I only bought it because it was a case with a stand (was nice for gaming). Otherwise, when I left the house, the case came off as well...

I don't like how cases make devices "bulkier", even if it's slighter. I also don't like screen protectors, because I want full access to the touchscreen, and rather not have to worry about what was causing my touch input to not be registered (was it the device lagging, or the touchscreen?).

Simply put, I like the natural feel of the device :p Although when I drop it... I'll probably wish I had some sort of protector, but I don't usually drop stuff anyway (never dropped my Nexus 7 for the time I had it; dropped my SGT7 once, above heavy carpeting :p)
[Nexus 4 General] NardVa:
I brought a Nexus One, but haven't brought a Nexus since because the Nexus phones by Samsung have always felt cheap and outdated within a few months. See what happens when the OEM isnt playing favorite to their flagship. You get a phone like the Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 General] ET3RNA4:
Honestly, I hate cases...I mean the manufacturer designs the phone for use in it's "normal" form, not so people can slap on a $3.99 Black TPU case on it and call it a day...Put a screen protector on it, and respect the phone and you'll be fine...normal "wear and tear" shouldn't do much on a Gorilla Glass 2 Phone.
[Nexus 4 General] tng222:
I wasn't exactly planing on throwing the Nexus 4 at sidewalks. The only time I dropped my Galaxy Nexus was a few months ago on laminate floor from about a foot, and it landed on the back corner. At least that's me; I'd be understanding of someone who has more mishaps in that department.
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
Sidewalks need challenging from time to time; need to try to remind them that they're not as strong as they think. Throwing a phone at a sidewalk might instill fear into it :p Nokia's prove to be the best at doing it though, but that doesn't mean other phones can't :p

Using a case is just showing the sidewalk that your scared of it. Don't let the sidewalk win!
[Nexus 4 General] adidas007:
wished the glass was more strong :P
[Nexus 4 General] drpepe:
Tpu and ebay screen protector = £6

So No scratches and decent protection against being dropped, whilst only adding a couple of mm in size.

Seems sensible to me. :thumbup:
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
I'll let you go ahead and buy a iron screen.
[Nexus 4 General] mke1973:
I suspect you'll not be able to find an after market back (or be allowed to buy one from LG) and will be compelled to send the phone back to LG/Google for replacement or repair. If you read the follow up discussion between Aatif Sumar and Brian King, who removed the back and posted the photos of the battery and internals floating around on the Web, you'll see that the back houses components for NFC and charging, RX diversity chains for cellular and the WIFI antenna. (My link is being rejected so to read this discussion add http: to this address //imgur.com/CxInr ) Given this, I really don't see aftermarket vendors attempting to make replacement backs. Plus, LG/Google aren't going to honor the warranty if consumers try to replace the battery or other components.
[Nexus 4 General] jimbob_me:
What this man said.

I have had a nexus 1 and a Samsung galaxy s2 and never used a case or a screen protector, and both are absolutely immaculate. I keep my phone in my pocket in a fabric sleeve like the mofi ones. When i need my phone i just pull it out of the sleeve. Job done.

Personally i dont see the point in buying a beautifully engineered phone if your just gonna stick an ugly bumper on it, turning it into just other fat heavy cased phone.

Cannot beat the feeling of a nude phone.
[Nexus 4 General] deltatux:
I can safely say 3 out of 4 friends I know with iPhones have cracked their screens and glass back and about 60% of my friends use an iPhone (give or take).

deltatux
[Nexus 4 General] edge12345:
what is the point of saving the glass back ( which is beautiful in fact) if it is always gonna be covered with cheap plastic ...put a case to hide a broken glass rather than the other way round
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Never had a case on any phone. Just front pocket by itself. All my phones still look mint.

I did drop a HTC slider win phone in the pet water dish once. No case I would ever want on my phone would protect against that.
[Nexus 4 General] :
Am I the only one on here who has never dropped a smartphone?

It doesn't matter if the front or back is glass, don't drop your phone or buy a case, it's as simple as that....

Sorry, I have dropped my phone once, off the side of my bed on to carpet. Because I fell asleep.

I for one am more than happy about the glass front and back because of the premium feel. The only issue I would have is if the glass (since it is bad at conducting heat) stops the phone from operating at a cool enough temperature to run without throttling.

Who honestly is not buying the phone because it has glass on the front and back? If you fall in to that category then why are you in the N4 forum?
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
Here here! No sure how so many people's phones hit the ground so often....my 3 year old N1 looks brand new and I have never had it in a case. What is everyone doing to allow a 400+$ device out of there control to hit the ground? You never hear of people doing this with laptops or anything else....seems like common sense to me, but I digress.
[Nexus 4 General] jhawkins002:
A review I read recently pointed out a simple fact that I believe a lot of us miss (I know I had!); namely that the point to strengthening anything is to make it stronger and more durable against directly applied forces. This process almost always makes the substance more brittle in the process.

This seems to be exactly what we have with Gorilla Glass.

The whole point to Gorilla Glass is to make the phone's glass surface stronger to resist scratches from keys, unclean tabletops, militant dust mites and the like. This also means that because the particle makeup is aligned in such a way to make it tougher, it is also more rigid, brittle, and susceptible to breakage through pressure applied in just the right way.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Goes sorta hand in hand with the above. Due to the geometry of a sheet of glass, and the crystalline structure of glass in general, when a force is applied orthonormal to the plane (against an edge) it is shifted from compression force to shear force. And gorilla glass being so much more resistant to deformation under normally directed compression is very weak when sheared.

This leads to the complaint many had that the metal bezel on the iPhone increased the frangibility of the glass. The metal transfered the force much more efficiently to the glass than plastic would have.
[Nexus 4 General] afbengochea:
My only worry is scratching. I have a Skinomi screen protector on my gs3 but the area around the home button looks like crap after a while. Thank goodness there aren't any buttons on the nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] tarikre92:
Guys just buy a mofi case!!!! Its protective and you can still enjoy the sexyness of the phone its self haha!!
[Nexus 4 General] ianovic:
N4 Bumper is showing as "in stock" on Google Play UK.

I know loads of people who have had cracked iP4 screens in the past but they all have bumpers now...
[Nexus 4 General] lerijiso:
Apparently there are lots of nudists here. I hate to use a case too but the thought of an accident to the phone prompt me to apply a case..just in case.

Apart from the glass back, i'm also concern with the plastic faux chrome band around the phone. how will it hold up over time?
[Nexus 4 General] cb474:
This argument is illogical nonsense.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that the glass back and the glass screen on the Nexus 4 are equally durable. So, if there is a part to the phone that is intrinsically fragile, does it make sense to double the number of parts like that in the phone, even if only one of them is necessary? Now you have doubled the risk of breaking that type of part. You have guaranteed that over the course of the life span of all the Nexus 4 phones collectively, there will be twice as many broken glass surfaces, since every time a phone is dropped (which is inevitable with cell phones) there will be twice the odds that a glass surface will be broken.

Of course, we don't know that the glass back on the Nexus 4 is in fact as durable as the screen. There have been a number of stories already of the glass back breaking, when dropped, or being scratched. But I have yet to see stories about the screen having the same problems right away. So perhaps the glass back of the Nexus 4 is more fragile than the average screen.

Bottom line is that since phones are carried around and taken in and out of pockets and bags all day long, they are devices that have a lot of potential to be dropped. So anything that can be done to minimize the risk of something breaking is worthwhile. Taking the back of the phone and making it more fragile than it has to be serves no purpose. It's an unnecessary risk. And, as others have mentioned, the iPhone 4 has more than demonstrated the failings of this design. At least Apple was trying something new. But why would LG/Google reproduce a design that their biggest competitor already proved is prone to damage?
[Nexus 4 General] Locksmith81:
All have to say... this phone in your hands is to Nexi to have anything cover the back glass ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] anarchyal:
So I attempted my first root a couple days ago, and everything seemingly went well. Although sadly it took me a couple minutes to notice this but there was a wifi error. Now I'm new to this but am not new to troubleshooting computers, there are no notifications of the error except when i try to turn on the wifi from any of the available menus to do so the spot where it would normally say turning on\off just simply reads error, nothing more nothing less. I've tried for the last couple days now to install other roms in a hopeless attempt to find one with a fix on this error.

Now (hence the title) is this a missing firmware issue, and if so where can I find such firmware... I made the mistake of not backing up my system files pre-root... Yes I know... Universally stupid.

So is there something I can do or have I just screwed up that much that I will never be able to fix this?

PG86100

Droid version 4.0.3

Htc Sense 3.6
[HTC EVO 3D] flashallthetime:
Please more info, i. e. GSM or cdma, rom, existing baseband, s-on or s-off? normally wifi errors are always kernel related.

( Don't ask me for help as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh! :D)
[HTC EVO 3D] anarchyal:
cdma

baseband 1.09.00.0706

Kernal 3.0.16-g294f767

Cool ICS v10 is the current rom i have at a mostly stable point less the wifi...

S-on

Thanks for pointing out i need that info, like i said before am very new at this and am kinda forgetting **** as I go along
[HTC EVO 3D] coal686:
When you are s-on, the kernel may not flash correctly as flashallthetime said. You need to flash it separately via fastboot.

To make your life easier in the future, I recommend you get s-off. Ramjet has an easy to follow guide for Sprint users here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1889438