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[Nexus 4 General] deadlast28:
Regardless of this, have people forgotten the Volume Bug on the Galaxy Nexus, how quickly that got fixed and forgotten. I'm sure Google and LG will sort this out.
[Nexus 4 General] RoadHazard:
I can't believe this reasoning. This phone has a certain CPU and GPU, and it should be able to perform accordingly without overheating and throttling down. If it can't, that's ****ty hardware design, and saying "eh, I'll just flash a custom kernel and underclock it" doesn't excuse that in any way. I shouldn't have to do that. This is a Nexus we're talking about - a reference device which should show other OEMs and developers how an Android device + software should be done. It this thermal throttling turns out to be a real issue in the final product, that's a pretty damn big fail from Google in my book.

Also, to all of you saying that the phone is so cheap that it's still a bargain even if it can't reach its full potential: That might be true in your country, but in most (where the phone can't be bought directly from Google but must instead be bought from LG via some retailer) it's not. How does €500-600 sound compared to the $349/€349 it costs in the US and a few EU countries? Yeah, pretty bad.

I'll be waiting for early adopters to beta test this phone before getting one myself.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
are u kidding :eek:

its fixed in non stock roms but not from google :cyclops:
[Nexus 4 General] bgaccord:
quadrant on lg optimus g fromt at&t which has same processor as nexus 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2k7PuBRxeY&feature=g-all-u
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
so what ? lg optimus g get at least 7000 and between 12000-13000 in antutu
[Nexus 4 General] deadlast28:
Google released an OTA update straight after release which fixed the issue? Revision D to Revision F I believe of 4.0.1.
[Nexus 4 General] jamadio:
In addition to what RoadHazard is saying, you're assuming that loading a custom kernel can fix the problem. God forbid, what if it's hardware related?
[Nexus 4 General] D3m0x:
Well, in my opinion, I live in Dominican Republic, we allways have temperatures like 30-39C and you know what????

I DONT GIVE A F*CK about ppl say of this phone, I always reading bad thins of this phone, cmon, sick of that, im going to wait for the relase AND IF THE PHONE IS BAD AS THEY SAY, sell it and done.

Google and LG spend a lot of months building this and now, 1 people open the and see battery and say (no impac zones, bla bla bla)

.l. Im gonna wait, dot.
[Nexus 4 General] lnfound:
Then you get a refund..
[Nexus 4 General] XxStatiX:
The improvements :o

Mother of God.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I'm not a pro or anything, but I think most of the nexus 4 issues and " thermal throttling" issues will be gone by the time it ships. If you owned the S3, you know how quickly and how many different software updates can the phone have before its release. The S3 had more than 10 JB leaks, like every 2 days ( I believe one time 2 in a single day) to fix the issues and each leak got better and better. This WILL. be fixed by the time it reaches consumers.
[Nexus 4 General] haydonxda:
Right, like I and many others got a refund after the GPS in the Captivate didn't work. Or many other examples that I'm sure people can point out.

They'll work around the hardware problem through software alright. It'll lower the TDP of the processor and seriously cripple the phone. It'll suck but they'll have sidestepped the refund window and still be able to claim that they have a xxGHz quad core phone. (To avoid legal liability.)

I wasn't impressed with the pressure contacts for RF antennas (look at iPhone 5 for how it's done right) and this thermal issue just seems to show me that they took a lot of great specs and parts and really pooped on them. Unfortunately it sounds like the LG curse is true.

The "don't worry Google must have thought about it" crowd is amazing. LG designed and is manufacturing the phone. To those thinking that Google had anything to do with the engineering of the phone I laugh. Nexus devices carry the Nexus logo and were engineered by the company manufacturing them. Google is largely at their mercy. Google should learn and get some hardware and RF experts in the mix instead of just slapping its Nexus brand on a pretty case they designed.

If by some miracle none of this turns out to be a problem I'll be thrilled. But it's not looking great to me right now.
[Nexus 4 General] FriendlyFire:
If the LG curse were true, the Optimus would be just as bad. It's not.

Can we please wait until final units are in the hands of people before panicking?
[Nexus 4 General] hogreb:
I have no experience whatsoever with developing or cooking roms, however for the people that are interested in comparing the nexus thermald.conf to the optimus g thermald.conf, i uploaded the thermald.conf from the optimus g to pastebin:

http://pastebin.com/bd5Mgy10

as far as i can see the only section that is different is the pa_therm0 section which seems to be included in the battery sensor part of the nexus thermald.conf.

Like i said I have no idea what this means, but maybe someone will find this usefull
[Nexus 4 General] hol17:
I think you missed the part where my post was a joke. :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] D3m0x:
But this fact have to be mentioned, the Nexus 4 have a LOT of critics... Brenchmark(xda), or LTE(ALL PPL), or space, or wased-out display color(The verge), high contrast non OLED display(xda), "potential" issues with battery(xda)... well i think im missing few more critics..

Im going to buy it at 13/nov and 1 minute. Im not like iZombies that defend the device at no cost, im going to evaluate by myself and if its ok for me, fine, if not im going to sell it at same price than Play Store (Out of US adventages)

Seriously guys... this make me sick, too much critics and the phone is available yet... jesus...

And if you watch videos on youtube, you will see that the phone is very fast.. so, **** brenchmarks :mad:
[Nexus 4 General] Serious_Beans:
I think you should reserve your judgement when you get the phone in your hands. I doubt the people at Google have been using this phone for months and don't realize any of these issues, because these are major issues. Just be patient and wait to see how the actual production model fairs.
[Nexus 4 General] PlanBSTi:
http://youtu.be/s9hQD6ddhDw?t=1m12s

Look. each core will do be running at different speeds.

It's definitely bad quad core optimization

How many quad core android products are in the market right now? Barely any.
[Nexus 4 General] xpla:
People here are amazing. Believing final units differ much from pre release ones is kind of strong believing. Wake up!

Those phones are produced in china and i doubt hey are sent by air mail around the world. Even though it's impossible to fix something in a few days as hardware design and software flashing is a manufactoring process which can't be changed in a few hours. Then the phones have to be in a transport chain which also takes a few days.

An OTA update is of course possible. For me it looks like LG screwed it up and i've cancelled my pre-order. Android is a nice idea screwed by bad software like TouchWiz and hardware/battery issues. I really wanted to switch from iPhone4 to Nexus 4 as i wanted some fresh UI. It's better to stick with a not so fresh UI which doesn't need a freezer.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
The OTA will go live 2 days before the devices are sold, let alone delivered, so when it arrives, if it didn't leave the factory with the final factory, it's pretty simple to get it. And they are made in Korea, not China.
[Nexus 4 General] richyb86:
The way I see it is that if benchmarks weren't around or heard of this phone wouldn't be slated as much and you would still be ordering one like me and having a fantastic experience when you get it. Especially coming from an Iphone which you sound bored of to be truthful
[Nexus 4 General] xpla:
Let's not forget bad battery life. Yeah i'm bored with iOS UI because it works ... It just simple works. I grew up with windows and OS X changed the way i think about and my expactations on software.

Don't get me wrong it isn't google i blame most. It's LG / Samsung ... who mess up Android or the hardware. As far as i can remember it was mentioned in the video from the Verge that LG engineers where at the HQ of Google. So they simply weren't focused on benchmarking and battery life or it was overseen or worst they knew of it and didn't take any action.
[Nexus 4 General] shilent:
How is that bad quad core optimization? Why should all cores run at full speed when not needed?
[Nexus 4 General] F1tty:
so there are custom kernels where you can choose how to use your hardware & optain batterielife such as you want...

i think you know that you dont have to use all of the 4 kernels and power....maybe 2 kernels with 1.2 ghz are enough for you ;)

so its ever in your hands....nothin new...
[Nexus 4 General] xpla:
I want a finished product not an alpha test device. If reference design from Google won't work well how should all the new Android. Devices ...
[Nexus 4 Accessories] rumthin:
There are two types for $13.99/ea. Both screen protectors are dry installs.

You can choose between front and back protection or just front protection.

http://www.spigen.com/cell-phone/google/nexus-4.html

If I didn't just order from BSE, I'd be all over these. I'll probably get one eventually though. :p
[Nexus 4 Accessories] DroidDavi:
I will get a bse. It will be here soon after the phone. I will keep the back on and replace the screen protector with sgp
[Nexus 4 Accessories] penpower:
Try amazon.com and it seems to be in stock 11/13/12

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A292TDK/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
[Nexus 4 Accessories] FatalityBoyZahy:
Should I go with the Ultra Fine or the Ultra Crystal?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] wngmv:
Nice. I'm waiting for their bumper cases. If they don't come out before Dec, I'd have to buy them in China. Surprisingly, it's not cheap over there, which means I'm paying more.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] jackierobinson:
That's your call. I tried a Ultra Fine on my One X but because it didn't totally cover the screen I didn't like it. It was too visible, you could instantly tell I had a screen protector on it. I haven't tried UC, but I'm wary of it because I hate finger prints. I may just try UF again and hope that it fits better on the N4 than it did on the One X.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] liorra3:
ann i will stay with non screen protector for now, i think that gg 2 will do the work for me wint no screen protector
[Nexus 4 Accessories] trailblazerz11:
Almost preordered one but unsure now due to the curved glass of Nexus 4. From the other screen protector thread, Spigen offers Galaxy S3 screen protectors for curved glass. Not sure if it makes a difference or if the preorder ones for Nexus 4 fit already.

Sent an email to Spigen..
[Nexus 4 Accessories] sarcosis:
Just pre-ordered the UC screen protector. Not a fan of the anti-glare stuff. I find it makes the screen not as nice afterwards and crystal keeps it awesome.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] predation:
Someone email them about the back!
[Nexus 4 Accessories] babymatteo:
I personally like the Ultra Fine over the Ultra Crystal. Fairs much better under direct sunlight imo
[Nexus 4 Accessories] crownua6:
Grrrrrr.....I wish they would have included a back glass protector as well.....
[Nexus 4 Accessories] rodstrom:
As previously mentioned, we need back protection too. It would be awesome if they release their GLAS-series protectors for the Nexus 4, they're made out of glass:D
[Nexus 4 Accessories] radeon962:
If it follows suit like the SGP for the One X or S3, you need to get a wet application or Curved Cystal to cover the entire screen due to the curved/rounded edges. If you look at the "Screen Protector Type" on the SGP page it does show it as covering just the viewable screen not edge-to-edge and it's noted as "screen protector type".

I use the Ultra Oleophobic on my One X's and it covers just the viewable screen area, so you don't notice it really with the screen on but do when it's off. Since it's not edge-to-edge then you run the risk of scratches outside the screen protector area.

Read the description for the "Curved Crystal" for the S3 and it notes that it is "full display coverage": http://www.spigen.com/cell-phone/sa...creen-protector-steinheil-curved-crystal.html . I use the CC on my S3 and it is excellent and really is about as close as edge-to-edge coverage as you could ask for. Almost invisible and feels almost as good as a naked screen.

I prefer the "Crystal" versions as they feel more like glass and are remarkably clear.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] richteralan:
Not a fan of this expensive and easily scratched protectors.

Bought an ultra oleophobic one for my Sony Xperia S. Scratched in one week.

According to sgp, the ultra oleophobic one is actually hard to scratch.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] FatalityBoyZahy:
I bought some $6 screen protectors off eBay for $7.00... I'll just wait to see some reviews on which protector I should actually invest in.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] richteralan:
I'm more inclined to get a pouch. Without LCD protector.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] FatalityBoyZahy:
You'll still need to watch out for dust! I'm thinking about going pouch + screen protector. This phone is too attractive for a case, and I never drop my devices. :D
[Nexus 4 Accessories] sarcosis:
That's what I'm doing, pouch + screen protector. I'm worried not about my keyes scratching the screen, but sand. Sand is the killer for screens like the Nexus 4.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] predation:
i emailed spigen about a back protector and a curved screen protector for the nexus 4.

everyone email them about it!!!!

curved crystal + crystal back = WIN!

i'm still debating bumper or just a wet skin for the edges of the phone.

i'm hoping the bumper is VERY minimalistic.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] chrisjcks:
If they release N4 protectors like the ONE X - they will just sit in the middle of the phone.

They look absolutely awful on the ONE X
[Nexus 4 Accessories] dwd3885:
the screen isn't curved so why would you need that?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] predation:
i think the sides on the front are curved.

at least the hi-def pics looked like it on the play store.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] richteralan:
I never scratch my phone.

My Sony Xperia S doesn't even use Gorilla Glass and I never scratched it.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] lionheart7282:
the nexus 4 does not have a curve glass display like the galaxy nexus. i thought everybody knew that!
[Nexus 4 Accessories] dwd3885:
right the sides are curved but that's not the screen i dont think.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] trailblazerz11:
That's what I'm worried about and why I haven't preordered.

Yes it's not curved glass like nexus or s3 but the edges curved. Would like screen protector to cover whole glass, otherwise looks cheap imo.

Guess have to wait and how it fits.

Also back has my worried too, gonna get a sleeve( Nexus4 looks too good for a case) but might as well screen protector that if its not very noticeable.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] ptrm2:
I will probably end up getting this one
[Nexus 4 Accessories] jackierobinson:
It comes with two front protectors. Couldn't you use the spare for the back? Just mark it with a texter, then use a Stanley knife to cut out holes for camera and speaker?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] trailblazerz11:
Just looked up a video with Spigen ONE X and I agree looks terrible. Since nexus 4 has similar curved edge I assume it will be the same and just stand out in the middle... Looks cheap...

Will wait/hope for an edge to edge...

Now I don't really feel the need for a back protector. I'll use a sleeve protect from scratching in pocket/bag, and when its out Google says the sides raised and protect the back when on a surface.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Roxy:
Pre-ordered one for $7.44! Gotta love having a coupon. :3

( The coupon I have is one time use only. Don't bother trying it. XD )
[Nexus 4 Accessories] tysj:
I saw KMF and automatically thought Korean Music Festival. Looked up their sponsors and there they were. Apparently I should've gone this year.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] eliter1:
Can I ask where you got the coupon for?

EDIT: It was a giveaway on their Facebook page. Boo, I missed it. :(
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Roxy:
Yeah, sorry. :(

I would have given you one if i had an extra, but I'm saving my 2nd code for N4 case.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] raazman:
How did you get that coupon?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Emama:
did anyone ask them and confirm that the screen protector does cover the entire screen?

sent them email but no reply...
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Roxy:
They had a promotion going on that if you msged them on fb, they will give you $7.77 off coupon code.

Sent from my teapot. :3
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Emama:
Ok, just let you guys know that They replied me on Facebook
[Nexus 4 Accessories] predation:
They're not creating one for the back either. >:-/
[Nexus 4 Accessories] thephantom:
Dang came late on the previous code. Only thing available now is GET20
[Nexus 4 Accessories] blaine.hale:
I'm just using the 2nd one it came with, for the back.

Just use a hole punch for the camera area.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] llblwskydrgn:
Great idea! I just got an email from amazon saying that my screen protector has shipped. :victory:
[Nexus 4 Accessories] irishrally:
The bumper will protect the back when it's placed on a flat surface.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] trailblazerz11:
Yeah, the Verge first look they said the center frame would raise it enough to protect it however now people with the phone say it isn't raised quite enough, less than 1 mm. So maybe a bumper but $20 is a bit much, perhaps some cheaper alternatives later.

Also ordered the spigen Ultra-Clear with get20, deal with not edge to edge for now. Hopefully they come out with a curved glass one later.

I just can't stand the rubbery feel of wet application and orange peel, prefer glass feel and crystal clear but hesitant to go naked :D
[Nexus 4 Accessories] formicae:
The hole punch idea is ingenious, but the back is not the same size as the front, so you'd have to cut it. And that will look awful, no matter how careful you are.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Sparta507:
Am I the only one? but wouldn't be awesome to have available a GLAS.t Screen protector for the front and back??
[Nexus 4 Accessories] triStateMindgate:
Has anyone received theirs yet?, I'm reading that this SP interferes with the proximity sensor.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Roxy:
They made a revised version for recent orders.

I've yet to receive my replacement due to proximity sensor issue... I love SGP product(s), but their customer support takes forever to reply to emails!
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
I sent them an email via Amazon last night around 11pm. I got a reply 9am today. I have a tracking # already.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Roxy:
What the hell... why aren't they responding to my email then.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] mys3:
Anyone in the uk, the reseller on ebay uk has the revised edition in stock crystal & oleo. Mine are coming tomorrow. £11.99 & free delivery
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Roxy:
I'm disappointed with SGP's customer service... and it sucks even more that email is the only way to contact them.

I like their products a lot though... * sigh *
[Nexus 4 Accessories] lookitzjohnny:
SGP came out with the dual series (front/back protectors)

http://www.spigen.com/cell-phone/google/nexus-4/google-nexus-4-screen-protector-steinheil-dual.html
[Nexus 4 Accessories] jslappa:
I am starting to read more and more customer service issues. In fact, I just received my Crystal Clear protector today and the sticker on the package says *****Proximity

but there are NO cutouts for the proximity sensor. So.......you helped me find the front/back yesterday, the least I can do is help you talk to an actual person.

Spigen SGP

3550 Wilshire BLVD. Suite 1906, Los Angeles, CA 90010

(213) 252-eight one three two:D

******Don't forget that you'll get more with sugar, than you will with salt when you talk to the lady who answers.******
[Nexus 4 Accessories] rizzxx7:
Just bought the new dual from amazon, hopefully the revise version is better than the first batch
[Nexus 4 Accessories] SeaborneClink:
Just got my Ultra Crystal from Amazon, they are cut so terribly. They fit NOTHING like the set that I had for my i777 which fit like a glove. I'll be sending these back via Amazon tomorrow. Hopefully the Ultra Oleo pack that I ordered 1) shows up soon 2) actually fits.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] outz:
aye... they finally offered me a free protector after i left them that negative amazon review. im not sure if im going to take them up on it. my full body xo skin should be here tomorrow.... hopefully it's much much much much better.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] trailblazerz11:
They take forever to respond to emails but I finally got a refund worked out for my defective non proximity one.

Will order a dual.

Well one good thing that my nexus 4 delayed 2-3 weeks is getting reviews and buying all the accessories before my phone gets here.....still...
[Nexus 4 Accessories] BruceCLin:
Did anyone hear anything about if they are coming out with the dual one in oiliphobic?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] thephantom:
Finally got an email from them. Just need to send a pic of the sent item and if it's the old version, they'll send a replacement
[Nexus 4 Accessories] llblwskydrgn:
Darnit I want the back protector but don't want to buy another set of protectors. =( How easy is it to cut the front protector into the right shape for the back?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Gja88:
Anyone know how clear the ultra oleopobic compared to a ultra clear one? How does it feel? Is rubbery like zagg or xo? Also I'm assuming all newly placed orders come with the proper sensor cutout now?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Dr Zoidberg:
I think there are much better options for the back than SGP. The "problem" with SGP is that the material is so hard that it feels almost like real glass, which creates two problems:

1. It does scratch over time, and the back will scratch much sooner since you always lay your phone down with the screen oriented up.

2. The smooth surface of SGP makes it slippery like the original glass.

In my opinion, a protector like Zagg is a much better option for the back since it's indestructible and will improve the grip. Sure, there may be a bit or orange peel, but you will never notice it on the back. If Zagg is too pricy for you, go for Best Skin Ever.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] :
Fortunately I ordered using Paypal. After sending them three emails over the course of nine days, I finally got them to respond in one hour by escalating a charge back on my payment. Funny how quickly companies respond when you pull the money out from under their feet. That being said, the protectors are a great product.

I'm not sure why people keep *****ing about it not covering the curved portion of the front as the actual screen is not located in this area and I imagine most cases will cover this area as well.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] llblwskydrgn:
Thanks for the advice. I have been thinking about getting BSE for the back, but I haven't had good encounters with wet apply protectors. If anybody has an extra back protector of any kind, I would be willing to trade for my extra front Spigen Ultra Clear. The proximity sensor isn't cut out for mine, but for whatever reason, I have had no trouble with my sensor even though it's covered by the screen protector.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] tsekh501:
The problem with Zagg/BSE/InvisibleShield -type wet protector is that overtime a lot of dirt lint will be collected around the corners/edges, especially if you slide your phone in and out of tight jean pockets all the time.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Gja88:
Can anyone compare the oleophobic and the ultra clear on how different they look and feel on the phone? Are they identical in look and feel or are they different?
[Nexus 4 Accessories] BruceCLin:
Nothing I can tell visually. From spec the ultra clear one is a bit harder. I personally prefer the olephobic.
[Nexus 4 Accessories] Sparta507:
SGP will not be making GLAS.t for the N4, they say because they have curve screens... i guess i'm going with XO skins