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[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
Personal opinion. If I expect a device to have at least 100 hours of battery life when being used 24/7 with benchmarks, of course any handheld device today will have horrible battery life :p

I'm sure you've used the release device with non-pre-release software...

Once again, I'm sure you've used the device to determine this yourself...

Because benchmarks mean the world to everyone. Benchmarks don't vary at all, and get the same exact score 100% of the time, every time, and are optimized for all device, especially non-released devices running pre-release software...

Personal opinion here too. I don't care at all about LTE, or Verizon, so this doesn't affect me one bit.

This, might just be the only thing you've said that made sense. However, under normal circumstances, you wouldn't need to even touch the battery... Did you know you probably can't remove the speaker easily either? What about the LCD screen? What if I want to remove one button on the volume button? lol... Plus, the battery "is" removable. Sure, it might take a bit of effort, but it is in fact removable. It's not like the battery is built into the LCD glass itself right?

And some people wonder why every company doesn't hand new tech out to people to review beforehand... Kinda sounds like how people hate Windows 8, without even using the OS. "amg Metro sux, consumer preview is unstable, touchscreen bs, lololol, random person on the internets said they hate it so I have to jump in too XD"
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
I'm not surprised to see the i-sheep here aswell as users trolling from other android manufactuers

This device has the best specs, its a power beast and will no doubt be the fastest phone on the market and its available for half the price of the others.

That alone, will piss off many people who maybe only just bought another phone, and are now a little angry.

Tough... LOL
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
Hardly. I was just responding to someone who was attributing criticism of an unreleased device to a group of people who own another device. Additionally, it was intended to point out that his criticisms of the iPhone are just as asinine as the criticism he was trying to deflect (That of an unreleased device). It's an especially stupid brand of hypocrisy.

Again, I've used both. After enjoying android for the past 4 years, I'm considerably newer to iOS, but the merits of each are obvious when you actually look at them side by side. Different animals for sure, and I would say each very successfully takes a pretty different path. Connectivity, consistency, and build quality vs. new features, and an environment that encourages creativity and customization. It's just too bad that the carriers and manufacturers have exploited android by screwing with the software so much, and making build quality such an afterthought. It creates a drawback to android that doesnt need to exist. My hope is that the nexus 4 has a positive impact on the situation in that regard, and also brings the inflated prices of these devices down to earth.

What people forget is that the better one is, the better the other is. Competition is truly a wonderful thing.

Though, I guess im a sheep now because I've owned an iPhone for two weeks, despite the fact that I have been using android since the og droid, and will continue to into the foreseeable future. Give me a break.
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
About 2000 points higher then what we saw in the reviews, and this is still not final software. :highfive:
[Nexus 4 General] kydkupa:
Yup that's what I'm saying. Can't wait for the 11th. Should be getting an OTAby then.
[Nexus 4 General] akhan47:
I read somewhere that the new benchmark were results were achieved by placing the Nexus 4 in a freezer whilst conducting the test... thus proving that thermal throttling was holding this device back. True?
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
I can't wait until I get the OTA on my Nexus 4 either

Sent from the Nexus 4 that I totally have
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Don't remember the post, but the Snapdragon SoCs(multi-core ones) function asynchronously--one core can be at max and the other can be at any freq between the Max & Min values.

This was one of my favorite this about my Sensation because I was concerned that both cores would share a frequency. Having the SoC function like this is the most logical thing because it's clearly more pleasant with battery life. Not only that but since the cores behave as so we can see cores go offline at times, although I have no clue whether or not the S4 Pro allows cores to be offline.
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
Whether its true or not doesn't really matter because the throttling is probably the result of lack of software optimization at the moment. I can't wait to see what happens to the battery life and performance numbers once people get the production software running on these things.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Same with my HOX,

forget pre-release, but it was actually released with 11,000 antutu & 4800 quadrant.

It now scores 12,500+ & 6900+ on those programs.

Facts are:

Super fast S4 pro

28nm - less heat, less battery usage

2100mah battery

2gb ram

I've no doubt, fastest phone yet, awesome battery and much cooler temps once software is sorted.
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
No, you are sheep because you think your idea of quality(Apple) applies to everyone and that anyone who criticizes Apple are being unfair. That is a true sign that you have bought into their BS if you choose to dismiss Apple criticism as asinine fan boy talk and then go on and spew your own fan boy crap.

Saying some of the best design engineers in the world makes disposable garbage is the truly most asinine statement in this entire thread. Also saying that Apple and a couple of Motorola products are the only ones with great build quality is ludicrous. I have owned an iphone 4s and an ipad 3, and if they really were as good as you fan boys think, why would we settle for less than anything else? I'll answer that for you, it is because they simply are not better built then other products. I brought both the 4s and ipad 3 into the Apple store for exchanges when I never did for any other brand except HTC.

Hey, if you are going to call out his opinion as fanboyish, I am going to call out your opinion as fanboyish. That is just my opinion though and you are welcome to yours, you fan boy.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
LOL wouldnt worry about it,

Every iPhone user is now thinking they paid double price, for specs that just don't match up.

And Google have shown the world how smooth an OS can be, everyone thought apple was the benchmark with this .... Until now.

Maybe its 3d panarama, youtube, Google maps, customisation, live wallpapers, widgets, Bluetooth file transfers, ... I could go on, that annoy him.

But adding all this, with a phone higher spec which is half the price - no wonder people are angry.

Goooooos-fraba
[Nexus 4 General] kydkupa:
Here you go bro. I have no reason to lie. You can also check this vid I made earlier.

https://www.box.com/shared/odhrzprbikp5fqpprfdu
[Nexus 4 General] herzau:
16 Oct kernel :rolleyes:

Nice vid
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
It looks beautiful! Would you happen to have a link for that wallpaper which you have on your Nexus 4 in the video? Thanks :)
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
LMAO. That's how rumours are born...

Original sentence: (something along the lines), "either they had an OTA fixing problems or they ran the test while holding it in the freezer."

:laugh::silly::laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
I'm not sure what you were reading, but I'm pretty sure I didn't say any of that.

I responded to the idea that it was a failing platform when, in fact, it is quite good. I would probably respond the same way to someone talking the same way about android. They both have their merits, and they both have their drawbacks.

I'm sorry, but I've owned and handled too many samsung products to be convinced otherwise, samsung being what I was referring to when I said disposable garbage. They like plastic, A LOT. They don't necessarily even like good plastic. They make nice displays, but that's about it as far as I've experienced. I wasn't saying anything about the quality of the engineers. I'm sure if the engineers ran the show that they would make great stuff, but, like in most industries, the bean counters have a pretty significant say. I'm pretty happy that Google is getting away from them with their nexus devices, because that's what's been stopping me from getting one thus far.

Though, I don't really know why you in particular like android devices more than apple products. I'm sure you have your reasons. I have my reasons for liking the iPhone. I had my reasons for liking some of my android devices. I am sure that I will have my reasons for liking the Nexus 4.

When I start suggesting something negative about an entire group of people just because they own a different product, or suggest that android or ios is failing without substantiating any of my claims, then you might be onto something. Again, I happily own and enjoy both (I like variety), so I don't really see how the label applies. But, whatever makes you feel better...
[Nexus 4 General] big_b0sss:
It makes me laugh how people complaining not having lte where iPhone 5 just got lte this year. When iPhone 4s was announced without lte no one was complaining and said oh I can live without lte coz its expensive and all those crap. But they are *****ing about nexus 4. Really make me crazy when I read all I sheep's comment in web blog
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
It goes both ways. Android fanboys were saying how iP4s was crap without lte, but now the same people are saying n4 without LTE is ok. Hypocrisy.

I don;t need LTE anyway, as in UK it IS expensive and not really up to scratch yet.
[Nexus 4 General] Blazing angel:
Wow, misinformation spreads super fast :D

Any link with the article?
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
specs don't really tell the whole story. I'd take a better optimized device on lesser specs over a poorly optimized device on monster hardware any day of the week if it means getting done with what I need to on a phone.

I don't think the price issue really applies solely to iphones though. The prices are pretty comparable to the premium android handsets, in or out of contract. Personally, I don't see the point in getting a new iphone. The experience is pretty consistent year to year, and most of them see OS upgrades for a significant amount of time. That's not necessarily a bad thing either. I can't say that about android, which changes considerably with each major iteration. Either way, they are both historically overpriced. There is no reason why a tablet with greater hardware should cost half the price of a phone. I'm glad google is changing the pricing game. I only wish we had more decent gsm carriers in the states to use unlocked phones with.
[Nexus 4 General] NlBO:
Lmao +1
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
No. Read way too many articles to remember. :)
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Then why does the Nexus 4 run faster than any other device out there - if this is unoptimized, iPhone users should be even more worried.

Every reviewer out there as stated its the fastest phone ever, and this is on pre-release software - android manufactuers will struggle to keep pace with this for that price, so apple have zero chance.

And yes, all for half price!!

hahahaha

Also, obviously iPhones are consistant as they release the same device every year

See the US video asking everyone what they thought of the new iPhone 5 when it was the iPhone 4 - they didn't have a clue, as every year its all the same.

They tell you 200+ new features for ios6 but really, just added maps (crap) and panarama (18month old android feature)

IPhone 6 (7) will look the same too, OS too, and hardware will be marginally better and a new hefty price tag.

IPhone 2 - appstore

IPhone 3 - video recording

IPhone 4 - change your wallpaper

Iphone4s - siri

IPhone 5 - new maps

Yet, they make 200+ new innovative features every year? - lol
[Nexus 4 General] kydkupa:
Its a wallpaper from my sprint Optimus G.
[Nexus 4 General] RegnierD:
Unoptimized = Not Native

IOS runs natively on the hardware. Android runs as a virtual machine. (Simplest way I can think to explain is, it kinda runs as an emulator.)
[Nexus 4 General] kydkupa:
Yea I'm guessing that's why its been getting low scores. I'll post a new screeny once it's updated.
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
benchmarks are great and all, but ultimately not worth much when it comes to how the phone actually functions. For example, an HTC phone running sense might benchmark higher, but will also use twice as much memory and run slower day to day. Software optimization is much more important than hardware specs and clock speeds imo.

aside from spec bumps, yes, the iphone is pretty much the same very year. the experience hardly changes from one model to the next. again, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. it's largely the result of the fact that they all get software updates for a long time beyond release, so it really helps keep one from feeling stagnant compared to another.

this is why I hate manufacturer and carrier modified android devices. My incredible 2 didn't even see upgrades for a year before verizon apparently dumped it on it's ass still running GB despite the fact that the incredible S saw ICS. Aside from nexus devices, Asus is the only android manufacturer I would actually trust to keep updates rolling out for any real length of time, and only if they didn't have a carrier playing middle-man.
[Nexus 4 General] sillmacka:
Nexus in a freezer

Yes, the tests were run with the phone in a ziplock bag in a freezer....sigh

Since I'm new I can't post outside URLs yet so..you will have to look at page 15 in this thread (commenter ed10000) for them
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Ok, forget Benchmarks

Nexus 4 is the smoothest fastest phone available according to every reviewer.

And its half the price

Your argument?

P.S - you've obviously not seen the ONE X running sense 4+ on jelly bean, its silky smooth and fast.

And I don't think SGS3 users have moaned of lag and slowness on their device either
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
I was talking about faster hardware vs software optimization in general terms, not specific phones. I used HTC as an example because sense pretty much requires double the memory that stock android uses, and with minimal functionality added. I don't see the point in doing that. I've never handled a One X, and I'm not going to pretend to form a well-rounded opinion of the N4, a product that has yet to be released. If both are smooth, that's great. If you put stock android on the SGSIII and One X, they'd run even faster than they do with their stock garbage software. Of course, unless you have kernel source, you are probably going to end up with some glitches and lost hardware functionality.

The iphone has been smooth and fast for years. Why? Because the software was well optimized for the hardware. What about the Xbox 360, it does amazing things with very dated hardware. ICS was considerably better than GB not because the hardware was leaps and bounds ahead, but because the software was more efficient and utilized the hardware more effectively. I'm really a fan of efficiency and trimming the fat, rather than gimmicky features and hardware specs that only matter on a piece of paper.

There is such a thing as too much, even in terms of processing power, especially when it comes at the cost of power efficiency on portable devices. I refer back to the clock speed wars we were seeing with PC's 10 years ago. There's a point when it becomes little more than a pissing contest. I think we're reaching that point with smartphones.

I just don't see the point in running bad code on great hardware.
[Nexus 4 General] Blazing angel:
Here's the link: https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/266194787466616832

Hopefully the issue have been ironed out
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Can we see proof where the same person did this?
[Nexus 4 General] irishrally:
I heard there is 0.0000000001 mm of screen lift :crying:
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
A lot of the iPhones features are small ones the user won't notice or API changes for developers. They aren't really anything the consumer would care about.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Oh, ok. I was referring to some other comment. Never seen that one before, thanks.

It's called generalising.
[Nexus 4 General] enviii:
This is slightly off topic now, but Scott Forstall the man behind iOS is leaving. iOS interface is now going to Jon Ive while the rest of the OS goes to Mac OSX president I think.

Expect to see a massive shift in how iOS operates within the next few years. Essentially, it will probably alot more competitive in terms of updates now.

Sent from my One X
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
Yes you are right that is happening & I look forward to the changes. But you are right I went a bit off topic :)
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
This was mainly because apple didn't have a good enough reason. Google's reason matches the whole open source philosophy that they strive after. Apple was just behind the ball. Plus i don't even think apple had hspa+42 on the 4s
[Nexus 4 General] big_b0sss:
I like the guy how he was *****ing about iPhone where his signature says sent from iPhone using taptalk :D
[Nexus 4 General] AdamUpNorth:
You're right. It only had HSPA+ 14Mbps.
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
hell, that's still faster than my 12 Mbps home connection. pretty sad. From what I've seen, few phones can even effectively utilize 3g speeds when it comes to rendering even simple web pages. That's probably a browser failure more than anything, and there's definitely more to the phone than the browser, but it still kind of makes me question the current worth of these networks with massive connection speeds to the enduser, especially because we will probably never even see anything near the theoretical max here in the US. One of a few reasons not to care about LTE at the moment.
[Nexus 4 General] XxStatiX:
Benchmarks max out the phones capabilities right?

But in the real world for the user,the phone will do just fine man.

So we should chill and wait for this beast.

If you have a problem with the benchmarks,poor battery life,thermal throttling or the limited storage options,then don't buy it!

Simple :)

Btw those pictures of the N4 at the androidpolice review are absolutely delicious :angel:

The beauty of android :')

Sent using Forum Runner
[Nexus 4 General] Byangmang:
The new benchmarks were achieved in a freezer.
[Nexus 4 General] stormtroopercs:
little late to the party bro... haha

i believe they will fix it by launch date....
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Did you guys know those benchmarks were done in a freezer?

Wait, I'm gonna post this like 15 more times, cause no one has pointed it out yet.
[Nexus 4 General] j814wong:
Wow. It beats the Samsung Galaxy SIII by far. Oh and it beats the iPhone 5 =) Take that Apple. For the price of $300 from Google play, it's perhaps one of the best, if not the best smartphones out there.
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
You do know that engineers design more than internals right? They help design the outer shell too since they need the internals to work inside this shell. It is ridiculous blanket statements like this that make you appear fan boyish. The idea that Samsung does not use quality plastics for their high end phones is more ludicrous than any fan boy stuff being spoken about Apple.

Samsung doesn't use uni-body designs because they believe in offering consumers removable batteries, sd slots, and slim/light bodies. It is people like you that need to educate yourself about what constitutes as disposable garbage and quality design.
[Nexus 4 General] yumcax:
Speaking of blanket statements...
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
LG Optimus G E970 has an SD card slot, Samsung Galaxy Nexus does not, Samsung Nexus S does not, Samsung Nexus 10 does not, Asus Nexus 7 does not.

Google is the one who made the SD card decision, not LG, and a unibody design does not preclude an SD card any more than it precludes a SIM card.

Also, if you have a screw driver you can replace the LG Nexus 4 battery, just like you'd need a screw driver to replace the Samsung Galaxy Tab battery.

And the Nexus 4 is only .5 mm thicker than the SGSIII, and is in fact .3 mm thinner than the Samsung Galaxy Note II.

Nexus 4 is only 6 g more than the SGSIII, and is 44 g less than the Note II.
[Nexus 4 General] qtekker:
@kydkupa

While running benchmarks or playing games, does the N4 get warm? And how is you're battery life?
[Nexus 4 General] Crenshaw-PCGH:
*your
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
LOL, I wasn't talking about the Nexus 4 dummy. And besides, your arguments are quite weak if you have to involve a screwdriver in one of them and include a tablet and a phablet in another. Thicker and heavier is thicker and heavier. Besides, the Nexus 4 uses plastic too. So maybe you should STFU a little or direct your reply to the guy I was replying to. I am not the one criticizing the Nexus 4 design. He is the only one that thinks aluminum, steel, glass, and Kevlar is the only acceptable approach to good build quality, not me.

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It is not a blanket statement. It is a fact. Name me a phone with all those features that is not plastic and does not have a removable back?
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Samsung has phones without SD cards, has devices without "user replaceable" batteries, and makes thicker and heavier comparable devices. So your earlier point is not correct.
[Nexus 4 General] Shaky156:
Hahaha everyones arguin n complaining n you're correcting spelling
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
You are an idiot if you think that tablets and phablets are comparable to normal sized phones. I have no idea how you can say that my points are invalid when you are using the dumbest comparisons I have ever seen. You are not even using products in the same class you moron. LOL

You even owned yourself earlier by saying the only reason the Gnex didn't have an SD card slot was because of Google. Talk about brainless and having no argument.....
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Tomatoes8, I apologize, I have been antagonistic. I took your earlier statement as "fanboyism," and threw a lot of my aggression toward that behavior at you. I'm getting very frustrated by the people that come to this device forum with the intent of telling all of us that want the phone what idiots we are for it. I still disagree with your statement regarding Samsung intent, I should have been more cordial in arguing against it. Sorry.

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The tablet is comparable in that we are discussing a specific feature that is common among multiple device standards, a removable battery, specifically the lack of that feature.

I don't see that classifying "phablets" as a distinct standard is reasonable, especially when the difference in screen size between devices like the Nexus 4 and the Droid Eris is greater than the difference between the Nexus 4 and the Note II which is less than the difference between the Note II and the Nexus 7.

I did not "own" myself, because the Optimus G has SD card support. I have shown rather that it is a completely invalid point to argue.
[Nexus 4 General] qtekker:
The incorrect spelling came from swyping with the new android 4.2 keyboard (gesture typing)