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[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
Just to clear things up. I in no way criticized the design of the Nexus 4, I think that it has a great design. My point was that Samsung does not design disposable garbage like one reader said just because he does not like plastic. My point is that Samsung designs their HANDSETS with plastic and removable backs because they WANT to include a removable battery, micro SD card slot, want it to be light, and want it to be thin. If you believe that Samsung can include all that with metal or steel or a uni body, then I would say that you are crazy.

(this has nothing to do with tablets which should never have removable batteries nor does it have anything to do with 5.5 inch phablets that SHOULD be thicker than normal sized phones but the Note 2 isn't which definitely has something to do with their design philosophy)

My point is that Samsung has a different design philosophy with different goals, but that does not mean they make disposable garbage like the person I was arguing with suggests. You can prefer the LG, Apple, or whoever's design philosophy all you want but to suggest that Samsung, the company that contributed the most to the Nexus line with the Nexus S, Gnex, Nexus 10, as terrible designers is ludicrous. They are the number one handset maker for a reason. They were chosen by Google 3 years in a row despite poor Nexus sales for a reason. People, including Google, like their design philosophy. Also, Samsung not being garbage like you guys think, takes nothing away from the Nexus 4 design which is also impressive.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
I agree, Samsung does have excellent build quality, and in my experience with them they have spectacular customer service for the few issues I have had.
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
Sigh, tablet design has nothing to do with handset design because tablet designs are completely different and they are not portable enough for companies to even consider designing them with a removable battery. Handsets are different, Samsung and some others, design handsets with removable batteries so that you can change the battery on the go when you need to. With a tablet you would never need to change it on the go because you wouldn't take it everywhere you go, so you including a tablet is as irrelevant to the argument as it can get.

Also, saying that a handset that is normal sized is only .2 mm thicker than a HUGE honking 5.5 inch handset does nothing for your argument. In fact, it helps mine. The fact that a HUGE GIGANTIC phablet is actually thinner than a normal sized Nexus 4 indicates that Samsung designs are so well made and thin, that even if you blow them up to huge 5.5 inch sizes, they still remain thinner than an average sized Nexus 4.

And yes you did own yourself. Your whole argument is that Samsung has ONE or TWO handset that does not have a Micro SD slot. However, ALL of their other handsets do. You stated that Google does not allow micro SD slots in their handsets anymore, which suggests the only reason Samsung didn't include the micro SD card slot was because Google didn't let them. That means that Samsung would have included a micro SD card slot if Google let them. So therefore, my argument about them using plastic on purpose in order to include a micro SD slot and removable battery stands, which means that you owned yourself.

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If you agree then why are you arguing with me and saying that you disagree that Samsung quality is good?
[Nexus 4 General] Shaky156:
Guys give it a rest, be mature this is a benchmark thread, take the offtopic convo somewhere else or create a new one

Thanks
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
And Toshiba, Hitachi, Samsung, and Acer all make tablets with removable batteries.

It's a phone, makes calls like a phone, sends text messages like a phone, connects to mobile voice carriers. The screen is closer in size to other phones than it is to the standard 7 inch tablet screen size. Invalid distinction.

So talking about a manufactures desire to include SD cards is irrelevant, thus an invalid point.

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Because you're making unfounded blanket statements, and your points are invalid. Regardless of the fact that I agree with you opinion, you are not representing that opinion well.

I never said Samsung did not have good quality.
[Nexus 4 General] dknotty:
Exactly, we don't even have 3G everywhere... IN LONDON! Let alone LTE. And then there's the impact on battery life. I'd rather have 3G and good battery life than an expensive 4G feature which I can't use often but drains the battery rather fast.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
LTE isn't gonna take off for years in UK

The EE prices are stupid, it would cost me £51 a month for the data I use - I'll stick to my £12 a month giffgaff.

And if o2 release DC-HSDPA in my area, I could still get 10mb which is a big improvement over my 2-3mb on HSDPA
[Nexus 4 General] dknotty:
Exactly, that's what I'll be doing when my contract expires - Giffgaff and N4 and I'll save £350 over 18 months I bet. Its a no brainer.
[Nexus 4 General] hdsousa:
Really ... i dont understand most of the comments on this threads.

I currently have a SGS that i love, but i feel its time to give it a rest and get a new one. The Nexus 4 brings huge specs for a very low price. For me, i repeat, for me its a win case. It has all i need on a phone and it dosent cost 700€.

Benchmarks:

As many already stated benchmarks are a set of tests that show in some conditions what the devices can do, and how they can do it. There is no Benchmark that shows the normal daily use of a device. There is no benchmark that simulates a normal day use, i.e, using several features of the phone is a mixed combination, showing not only the ammount of time a battery can lat ith a screen on ... or how well a the GPU and CPU perform (there are no apps that use the maximum of CPU or GPU out there ...)

So benchmarks should be seen as a reference. For me the good reviews and analysis, are the ones where tests are made simulating the real life of a person with a device ...

I dont even remember and never runned benchmarks on my SGS, so for sure i will not do it on the Nexus 4.

Apple/Samsung/Nexus4 Discussion

This i dont understand even more than benchmarks. Why tha hell are we measuring the size of our d....evices??? Cant people understand that we have several in the marked because not all of us are equal? I dont need space, i dont need LTE, i dont need a screen of 5.5", i want more than 4", blablabla ... so looking at the marked, i choose the device that presents the best specs for my use, for the best price. Currently that is Nexus4, before it was SGS.

People that prefer the Iphones ... man ... use them... make calls, send messages and imessages ... have fun with the great games iOS have ... But you will not use NFC, you will not have plenty of the stuff android users have, you will have others.

Samsung guys ... This is just a new android model on the market.... is eeryone having shares from Samsung? Google decided to launch with LG the Nexus4, Samsung has the opportunity to send the SGS4 o he market getting on the Nexus 4 and bringing to the market the features that are missing on the Nexus4

Get the Nexus4, insert a SD slot, replaceable battery, and LTE, and as everyone already said this will only increase the phone for just a few dollars ... so put the SGS4 on the market at 450€ free of contracts ... and you will have a bunch of people loving it ...

Sorry for the mistakes ...
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Good stuff, you get the phone for freeeeeeeeeee plus interest

Welcome aboard then :)

Be sure to get a friend who is already on GG to order your sim, as they will get a fiver credit free when you activate (aswell as a fiver for you)
[Nexus 4 General] dknotty:
I'll certainly be doing that. Actually I'll be buying the handset in the US where its £80 less than the UK as well!
[Nexus 4 General] Slender Troll:
*everyone's *arguing *and *and

FTFY

Motorola Photon 4G
[Nexus 4 General] XxStatiX:
Lol troll
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
If importing, beware of our import tax and admin fees.

I did it with a psp once, and ended up with a £90 bill, taking me over the price in HMV :/

Anything over £30 value will he heavily taxed.... If they catch it. lol
[Nexus 4 General] dknotty:
I'll actually be bringing the handset with me as I'm there on holiday.
[Nexus 4 General] eddydc1:
i live in finland and theres no play store :(
[Nexus 4 General] purplet:
1)Thats a problem but i bet its gonna be fixed

2)Idc loosing a 300€ phone vs a 700€ iphone.

3)I dont see a problem with "only" 5mbit internet (used to be fine back then didnt it?:D) on a phone and with max 4bg monthly traffic usage. Also i cant get lte in my region anyway and most places i am be it at work, university or at home iv got wlan.

4)Well...it can be removed and everybody does it. I guess the battery will be good for 2years and if i keep it i can pay some bucks for somebody to replace it.

All i can say is its so damn cheap from google that everything negative is neglected by it. It still has an overall better battery (will certainly have with a custom kernel to scale the cpu), looks and RAM then any other phone below 500bucks!

If there was either a windowsphone8 phone with 1gb ram, i want to surf and listen to music without loosing the pages when i accept a call, for that price i wouldv try it but with the pricing of nokia (they die with such prices) and stupidity of htc getting a 512mb ram phone out just to be a littel bit less expensive or (my theory) to not challenge the other windows phones its too bad for them:)

A lot
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
O2 UK have just told me DC-HSDPA is being released very soon in UK, and when I pushed for a date for my area - they said within 2 weeks.

I hope this is true, as I only get standard hsdpa, I don't even get hsdpa+ , so to get DC would be awesome for me.

HSDPA 2-3mb (what I get)

HSDPA+ 5-6mb

DC-HSDPA 10-12mb

If its true, and DC is arriving very very soon, that's a mega boost for me and another excuse to get a nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] richyb86:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/nexus-4-two-thirds-of-a-great-phone/2/

This review has a few benchmarks tests which show different results also. More true to life of how it will run I think aswell
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
From that source :

"When we performed back-to-back tests in GL Benchmark on the Nexus 4, the GPU performance fell considerably the second time around. The phone also felt really hot to the touch—and we weren't running benchmarks with it plugged in to an outlet."

Hm im still worried about this, i mean i know its benchmarks, but games like NFS: Most wanted are going to tax the gpu a lot, and its going to be stupid if 10 mins of gameplay is going to cause a 10fps drop!

But i will wait and see till the release next week, im still replacing this with my Nexus s
[Nexus 4 General] Ajfink:
Agreed that this makes it seem like there are thermal issues at play under heavy strain. However, it seems like LG has managed to overcome these issues with finer software management.

I envision plenty of kernels will become available to add better power profiling for the N4.
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
Uh, a certain 10 inch nexus tablet coming out soon?
[Nexus 4 General] Mohit12:
Okay this thread is hardly about benchmark reviews and discussions anymore.

I guess I'll check back here on the 11th when the update comes out.
[Nexus 4 General] Kiiv:
Read all the review :

The Optimus G seems to have a tweaked software to limit the speed of the CPU and the GPU. The Nexus 4 lack this at this time.
[Nexus 4 General] coolhand1:
I can't wait

I'm getting so excited for next tuesday, I'm saying goodbye to sprint after 7 years for this phone
[Nexus 4 General] thegregulator:
Leave it to Tomatoes to be involved in an off topic discussion that goes on for a quarter of the thread while making the exact same point over and over again. Typical.

I don't particularly care about benchmarks. The overheating has me slightly concerned. But given I haven't seen any reports of the Optimus G overheating in my very limited research, I'm going to chalk it up to unoptimized software of the Nexus. Hopefully anyways.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
It's not often I see someone with such an obscenely verbose way of saying nothing.

You seem pretty juiced about this 5.5" thing, I'm just gonna give you and Sam some privacy.
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
The Optimus G performs the same as the Nexus 4, where is it limiting CPU or GPU speed????

There could be many reasons why the Nexus 4 runs hotter than the optimus G.

1. lower binned S4pros (cheaper chips that require more voltage to run the targeted clockspeed)

2. More agressive scaling govener (most likely)

3. ....
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
I'd dismiss the governor since test push clocks to the limit. Lower bin would be a concern for sure. Saying that, my Sensation has a low bin s3, and doesn't overheat, the only problem is that I can't over clock it as much as others with higher bin can. Not an issue, really.

I support unoptimised software theory.
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
Talk to me about the relatively new galaxy s 3 in another year once the thin plastic casing has started to deform and weaken like it always does with their products.

I didn't say anything about engineers designing only internals. Im really not sure what posts you are reading, because they clearly aren't mine. You sound like you are just looking for something to argue about. Give it a rest cool guy.
[Nexus 4 General] miniAndroidian:
LOL I've heard they put the N4 into a refrigerator for the better scores. It seems like the N4 can't use the whole processor performance because of the heat.
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
Man you came in late on this one lol , also it sucks! if its true we may never see the potential of that s4 pro in the nexus!
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
I'm sick and tired of you and your common sense. There is no place for that here.
[Nexus 4 General] miniAndroidian:
For sure we do! I have the hopes that the review devices havent got the final software (also the official LGgermany blog says that the phone which they tested 4 days ago hadn't the final software). And if not we still got software updates which will fix this if it doesnt depends to the hardware :p

btw im not reading the whole 34 sites just for looking if sb still wrote this
[Nexus 4 General] apzalo:
It is in the first post. Why do so few people click on the source links?
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
What the first post? :confused:
[Nexus 4 General] mELIANTE:
Tell us more please, we never heard of it before.
[Nexus 4 General] stoney73:
Really? I must own the golden samples of the S2, note and galaxy ace then. No deformities whatsoever.

Please suck some other nonsense out of your thumb.
[Nexus 4 General] apzalo:
The OP, the beginning of this thread. The link to reddit, talks about the freezer.
[Nexus 4 General] ap3604:
Hope to hell they redo the battery tests as well. Those are much more important than the performance benchmarks.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
I can't believe you actually answered that!

:D
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
I talked to the anandtech guy at Reddit, he said he would redo the battery tests after the OTA.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
All tests & reviews will change and be re-done once released anyway.
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
one more day to go here ...
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
where are you ? its out on the 13th? its only the 9th here
[Nexus 4 General] Dan37tz:
Lol serious. That guy must be using his phone in some crazy ass conditions for his case to deform.

I've owned all the high end Samsung phones and I don't baby them either. They all held up perfectly. In fact my cousin is still using my original galaxy s and its still working perfect with no damage due to quality. My company does repair and refurbishment of all phone brands, we do mostly apple products but we also do large numbers of lg, htc, and samsung. I favor samsung because I think their designs are very repair friendly and engineered better. I am buying a nexus 4 because I think its a gorgeous phone and dirt cheap. I will use it along side my galaxy note 2 which I think is the absolute best phone in the world right now next to the htc j butterfly.

Sure lg and htc has higher perceived quality when you touch and feel the device than samsung but that doesnt mean they will be reliable. My lg g2x was a good example and my old one x international version had tons of issues.

Its like comparing a mercedes to a toyota. Sure the benz feels much more premium to the touch and feels better made but it is utter crap in the long run and ill bet the Toyota will outlast it twice over.
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
1 more day for the update . to see if they fixed benchmark bettery and heating .
[Nexus 4 General] ap3604:
Yay! Hope this changes things to be MUCH better. As it is the Nexus is a passover based on prelim battery life.
[Nexus 4 General] omersak:
On a newer build with the lockscreen added, the nexus 4 scores 4484 in Quadrant and 9500 odd in antutu. Make of that what you will:

http://www.journaldugeek.com/2012/11/09/test-google-nexus-4/1/

Battery seems above average, though.

Here's the video. Gaming performance seems great as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q-ksE6RZcI8#!
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
How do you know its the new build ?

9500 on antutu is lower than what Engadget got before the update (10,122) Could it be they under cloaked it to prevent over-heating ?

4484 in Quadrant is again lower than Engadget score of 4,902 . not sure what i get from all of this .

waiting for andatech ...

edit -

i used Google translate and it does seem like they got the latest update .

I'm not 99% sure but im pretty confident they said they have received 1,500 on sunspider while best one was 1000ms .

the phone score lower than previous nexus on vellamo

and

and

that's it .
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
they are the same from the first review but lets wait for the final release :D
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
Deform doesn't necessarily mean what you guys are trying to make it sound like. Ever had creaky phone syndrome? Plastic does not like to go back together in exactly it's original shape. It slightly deforms and weakens very quickly, especially the variety that Samsung seems to favor.

To use your analogy, a Toyota might last a long time, but it's going to drive like absolute crap for a big chunk of its life after the initial newness has worn off.

The galaxy phones have been no different from what I've seen. Just my opinion and my experience.
[Nexus 4 General] apzalo:
Sarcasm gets lost in text sometimes. No offense but some forums I have been on, high post count = idiot.
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
thats why you need to put the "/s" at the end, so people know youre being sarcastic :p

but by putting that, it takes away a laugh or two...
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Exactly, what's the point in being sarcastic if you are explicitly saying you are sarcastic :D
[Nexus 4 General] maven1975:
I could not wait for the Nexus 4 and decided to test drive the Optimus G. First thin I did was run Quadrant and received a 7700 score back. After that, it fluctuated between 7000 and 7400.

I did not like my 48 hours with the OG. It was way too boxy. For some reason, the weight and size ratio just felt completely off. Also, I hope the screen is implemented better on the N4, because off viewing angles were less than spectacular. (Milky and Washed out from corner angles) I would rather have the same screen that is on the GN, SGS3 or I5.

It did get hot and the battery was pathetic. I just chalked it up to all the bloatware and ICS.

Touching on the OG size and weight again. When I took it back this morning,mi picked up the Nokia 920 and it felt much better in the hand.(At 45 grams more I might add)

I wish I had know about all this before returning the OG. Would have loved to run some tests for everyone.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
hmm ......thank u :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] Waleed.Q:
I'm surprised that no one at Google has mentioned anything about the benchmarks, not even a leak!

....which is a bit suspicious!
[Nexus 4 General] Blue Bell:
But then, all forums you are on are bound to have at least one idiot.
[Nexus 4 General] InvalidUsername:
Why is everyone here such a fanboy? This video makes me sad that I sold my Nexus. The only reason that I did is because I saw how smooth Jellybean was on the Nexus 7 at Best Buy, and thought that that level of performance could be brought on a phone with the Nexus 4. Obviously not; look at the way the application tray opens. Plenty of lag, similar to the Galaxy Nexus. Also, Google hasn't solved my #1 issue with Android. When you're in an app and click a notification from the top, then finish what you're doing, clicking the back button in some apps takes you to the application you were last one, while other apps (like messaging) just take you to the home screen. Why the hell would I wanna go to the homescreen??

Either way, I have to by this since I have no phone right now, and I don't want to start a new contract to be able to afford the Lumia. Highly disappointed.
[Nexus 4 General] TimRiceSE:
and at what part in the video does the application tray lag?
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Maybe his computer is laggy? :confused:
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
i don't see any lag :eek:
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
So, atleast in this review the speed is as expected:

http://www.stuff.tv/review/google-nexus-4

but

But I'm used to it from my S2, when I benchmark it, it gets pretty hot also...
[Nexus 4 General] lnfound:
This must be user preference. I tried a bunch of screens at the store recently and I absolutely loved the optimus more than any other. Viewing angles looked superb and the narrowed gap between glass and display really stood out at the slightest angles.
[Nexus 4 General] InvalidUsername:
No, I'm talking about when he's on the homescreen and hits the app tray button. There's a bit of lag in the animation to the app tray, and that's without a live background and widgets all over the screen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Q-ksE6RZcI8#t=541s
[Nexus 4 General] Shaky156:
in that case its probably your computer, there is no lag within loading the app tray, its an animation, it's suppose to open the app tray like that at that speed

Also keep in mind the code hasnt been finalised yet so best to wait patiently for the final product before everyone makes something out of nothing lol
[Nexus 4 General] Peter1856:
Well I find it a bit hard to judge from a youtube video... but what do you expect, no phone has zero lag, even the iphone although it is very rare...
[Nexus 4 General] InvalidUsername:
It's not my computer, and I know what the animation looks like. I had the Galaxy Nexus for months... :rolleyes:

If you really can't see that there's lag in the animation from the homescreen to the app tray, then you aren't looking carefully enough. Again, it's not a lot of lag, but it's not any better than the Galaxy Nexus.

Also, when he went from apps to widgets, it took about the same time that the Galaxy Nexus would've taken. This phone is supposed to be a lot faster...
[Nexus 4 General] Shaky156:
If anything theres more of a delay when switchin to from apps to widgets than what you're seeing (which is nothing lol)

above that theres a difference between the powerful hardware and at what speed you'd like the animations/os to run at.

Wouldn't using common sense/initiative tell you that its the code within the google OS and not the device? since the speed of the OS/animation is the same as galaxy nexus? lol
[Nexus 4 General] nico53laval:
It's not lag, it's the animation how it's supposed to be. It's like that on every phone on AOSP.