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[Nexus 4 General] lnfound:
Did anyone post what the temperature was reaching? If the low limits are true maybe a mistake inn early software and not a hardware design issue. Or some crazy ploy by Google to raise media after release with another round of "holy **** it's fast" reviews.

Also my understanding is that some reviewers got good benches which may also mean this could be a unit specific issue.
[Nexus 4 General] enviii:
I got excited when I read the OP. Then I read the tweet that said he put it in his freezer and then ran the test. I'm disappointed again.

I don't know what to think to be honest. Waiting for early adopters to report seems like a must at the moment.
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
what the eff? Where did you read it was put in a freezer?
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
damn , every day i become more disappointed :(:(
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
wow
[Nexus 4 General] enviii:
https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/266193079772540928
[Nexus 4 General] raze599:
LOL @ the freezer xD
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
BTW

https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/266197508944973824
[Nexus 4 General] Juduth:
This is disturbing. If there is indeed a thermal issue this new results are just smoke. None of us is going to use the Nexus inside a freezer LOL
[Nexus 4 General] hol17:
If you live in Canada, you won't have to worry about the freezer part as the weather takes care of that for you.
[Nexus 4 General] Juduth:
xD
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
It would take ages to get the temp down in a freezer. I don't think staring the test and putting it in the freezer would make much difference.. you probably get more cooling sitting it in front of a fan.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
HMM i live in Saudi Arabia and temp in summer can go up to 55c :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] kydkupa:
I can't wait now. I get my Nexus 4 tomorrow. Will post pics and the battery for the days use.
[Nexus 4 General] lnfound:
What's to say it wasn't cooled then started and put back in?
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
How you getting yours tomorrow!??
[Nexus 4 General] yeti101:
memo to google, LG & qualcomm: GET THIS *%£$"** FIXED OR NO MONEY FROM ME
[Nexus 4 General] jonathanyong:
Now it all makes sense. The reason the Nexus 4 is so cheap is because it comes with a lifetime supply of these :laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
It got to be a software issue if ambient temperature needs to be near freezing for the cpu to run at full speed.
[Nexus 4 General] richyb86:
How much about this do we reckon Google and the people who matter know about this?
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
http://pastebin.com/ZFynx5um

This is the thermal cutoffs for the Nexus 4 ,
[Nexus 4 General] Arid711:
That depends if its an LG freezer or a Samsung freezer! :laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
So it seems like it's throttling when the core temperature reaches 60 °C , and the phone shuts down once the core temperature exceeds 120°C.

60°C seems pretty conservative considering that Notebook CPU and GPU often reach 90°C+.
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
[tsens_tz_sensor0]

sampling 5000

thresholds 10

thresholds_clr 5

actions none

action_info 0

maybe this wrong ?? googling some examples of sensor0 i can find have the threshold at @55 and up... 10 seems crazy
[Nexus 4 General] limpopo:
We're going to need cases filled with liquid nitrogen to run this thing.
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
Yea i dont quite know which one is important i.e i dont know what this one is for

sampling 5000

thresholds 10

thresholds_clr 5

actions none

action_info 0

But it shouldnt be hitting 60 Degrees with a short bench really! Hottest iv seen my phone get to was like 45-50 with an overclock!
[Nexus 4 General] newbieandroid:
It would be a cooling issue if temperature needs to be near freezing for the CPU to run at full speed. Just like almost all Intel and AMD processor which lower their clock speed because of cooling issues.
[Nexus 4 General] Shaky156:
Its funny yall drama queens! Kool youre scared no ones askin you to purchase it but quit complaining abt things u dnt know cuz u put others off, reminds me of htc one x screen flicker drama lol!
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
I think we're forgetting that the LG Optimus G has the same hardware as this phone. I have yet to see any hardware issues with that device, but I could be wrong. It's most likely a software issue.
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
Would be fine in my house atm, thanks to Uk energy prices, can't afford to put the heating on so we're all freezing .. thanks privitisation/coroparate-greed
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
Exactly this.

If Optimus G having the same problem then it probably a hardware issue.

But I'm sure some Android haters will blow this out of proportion. Watch out for sensationalist titles in the coming days.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Again, people moaning over nothing.

Shut up, or go elsewhere.

Its pre release software, and the only phone out there that's running this new kernel

A simple OTA can fix heat issues, as HTC did for my ONE X.

My one X used to get too hot to even touch, now it runs very cool indeed.

Also, if you feel the need to moan on these pre release benchmarks and are hating the phone - just don't get it!

This forum is lately becoming a moaners paradise.
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
Anandtech proved it was Thermal Throttling but putting it in a freezer and coming out with significantly better benches....

Now theres two things we can hope for 1) Thermal thresholds were set to low...

2) this was pre production hardware and the ones we get next get are fixed
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
The Optimus G does seem to have the same problem:

http://www.gadgetreview.com/2012/10/lg-optimus-g-first-impressions.html

Maybe we should ask someone in one of the Optimus G forums to run the full GL Benchmark suite and post the results,

maybe LG fixed it.
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
ah that is interesting, it does seem to suffer from the extract same thing
[Nexus 4 General] supercakefish:
This is indeed a disturbing turn of events... :(
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
I like how some of you are getting so upset that we are putting faith in "pre-release hardware and software"

Hey, guess what, that's what Google gave to review sites to inform the public about their phone. Blame Google, not us for being disappointing with the results.
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
this is alarming. i will have to wait for anandtech final review before i do my purchase.
[Nexus 4 General] raze599:
I dont understand why this is such a big deal. Reviews said that games ran very well without a hiccup. To be fair, thats the most intensive thing you'll ever be doing on your phone, you're not going to be benchmarking a lot. You know that the day to day use of the phone is excellent.

Although with this I am still hopeful that the throttling will be fixed with a software update.
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
LOL yeah i got the same flashback feeling too .
[Nexus 4 General] supercakefish:
But what of future, more demanding games next year? It may mean this device won't be as future proof as we'd all like :/
[Nexus 4 General] Crenshaw-PCGH:
So in the termal.conf (or whatever :D) file its said that its going to underclock at 57 degrees..

But the reviewer says the phone doesnt get that warm.. At least not ~50 degrees.

So maybe the contact between backplate and chip isnt good enough for transfering the heat.

Yeah I know my English is **** but I wanted to share my thoughts ;)
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
you didn't mention the sensor0 in that file that says 5-10 degrees .. looks like that could be a problem to me
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
you are being too much of an apologist in that matter. the existence of throttling is still alarming, and that's not because i benchmark frequently, but because such issue will likely be the cause of more problems when your CPU is under heavy use. that being said though, i am very optimistic that Google or Qualcomm will resolve the issue before release.
[Nexus 4 General] newbieandroid:
Its not the hardware it's the cooling. Try to benchmark a Core i7 3770k with the stock heatsink vs a Core i7 3770k with a Thermalright Venomous-X with 2 Gentle Typhoons AP-15s you'll notice the one with the stock heatsink is scoring lower because it's throttling. Which means the processor is down clocking itself so it doesn't overheat. Even though they are the same hardware they are different cases which means the cooling layout is different.

The reason why everyone is worried is because they both have the same hardware and it's certain that it isn't software because there are Nexus 4s that are scoring the same as the Optimus G and the rumors are it's because they were properly cooled before benchmarking.

Edit: I'm not trying to cause anyone to panic, I'm still purchasing the phone myself. It seems like many people on these forums don't understand why review sites are calling attention to this issue. It could be the kernel causing the processor to down clock for some reason so it can be software. Maybe a features to save battery life in Android 4.2 that I don't know about.
[Nexus 4 General] Nexx:
In all seriousness, if the throttling only shows it's head when benchmarking, then who cares? No sensible user stands around and benchmarks their phone all day long.

Nothing I've seen deters me from ordering it the moment I can.
[Nexus 4 General] kenjiwing:
Android people are starting to sound like iphone sheep. Theres all kinds of prerelease problems with this phone but they still cant wait to get it the first day because its pretty.
[Nexus 4 General] Shaky156:
Chat abt sensor 0 if you know whete its located, s4 n n4 have more sensors, that could be anywhere
[Nexus 4 General] stormtroopercs:
Tell me all of these "problems".
[Nexus 4 General] kenjiwing:
Awful battery life

Real time delay during games and simple tasks like DIALING PHONE NUMBERS

Awful thermal performance

Awful benchmark #'s

No LTE

No removable battery

The list goes on and on..
[Nexus 4 General] Nospin:
Battery life has varied. Android Central just said it's fine.

PRERELEASE SOFTWARE

PRERELEASE SOFTWARE

PRERELEASE SOFTWARE

Blame Verizon and sprint. Then go look at what a Nexus device stands for.

That's the future. Deal with it.
[Nexus 4 General] newbieandroid:
1. All the review sites said the phone runs smooth

2. Once it is released we'll find out

3. So far true

4. Who ever buys this device is on a network that doesn't have LTE (T-Mobile) which has consistent 10mbps in my area.

5. Could be a problem for many people.
[Nexus 4 General] Blazing angel:
What most people mean is:

"I seriously doubt google hasn't tested this phone and would sell their market-shaking phone while having shot themselves in their own foot"

Let's be honest, do you think google hasn't thought of cooling?
[Nexus 4 General] Nexx:
- Battery life will be improved by updates and kernel development / tweaks.

- A couple of reviews mentioned the delay, but they're running pre-release builds. Plus the last Nexus didn't see real improvement until the .1 Android release.

- Thermal, again it all seems to be caused by benchmarking.

- As above.

- I'm in the UK, LTE doesn't matter to me. I can get 42mbps HPSA+.

- The battery *is* replaceable with the removal of 4 screws, 2 to remove the back case, 2 to unhook the battery.

Nothing there is an issue to me, and I certainly don't think it makes me a fanboy.
[Nexus 4 General] Serious_Beans:
Yeah seriously so many people bugging out and complaining already. Everyone should just wait to get the phone in their hands before deciding it has bad battery or is slow or has issues.

I'm sure Google has thought of a proper cooling solution, they obviously focus on little details like the rim around the flash to avoid it messing with the lens, the lip around the glass back so that you can set it down without scratching the glass and I'm sure there are more things like that...don't underestimate a company that brings in billions a month, they know what they are doing.
[Nexus 4 General] crawlgsx:
Don't list specs as problems. Those are not even close to the same thing. That is YOUR opinion, not a problem with the phone.

Not one of those things is proven or even consistently reported yet. You may be right, you may be wrong, but none of those is a fact yet.
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
This.
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
The Nexus 4 and the Optimus G aren't the only devices with the Snapdragon S4 Pro processor, the Xiaomi Mi2 also uses that processor, but I haven't been able to find anything saying that the device is overheating.
[Nexus 4 General] newbieandroid:
Dell, Hewlett Packard, Toshiba and many other companies never had a thermal problem?
[Nexus 4 General] anirudh412:
FINALLY!! All the whining can stop now!!
[Nexus 4 General] Dan37tz:
I guess this is what happens when Google lets LG make the next Nexus.

The non expandable memory I could handle, I would just have to be more selective on what I put on my phone.

The non removable battery? Well I could just lug around one of those USB battery powerbricks if I planned on using my phone for more than 5 hours.

But between this heat throttling issue (which also seems to now affect the Optimus which means it's probably bad LG hardware design and thermal handling) and Google not including the AOSP stock browser and force feeding that ****ty ass mobile Chrome down our throats..

I have made my choice....

I'm still buying this sucker! :p

When I saw the price I knew it was too good to be true, there has to be a catch somewhere..

Hell for $299, it's half the price of a Galaxy S3 off contract. Half the performance for half the price... Whats the problem?

Sign me up!
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
asus padfone 2 too ;)
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
Where are all these problem-free PRERELEASE products you apparently get your hands on? its pretty funny that pretty much all of the problems you list are attributable to software that has yet to be optimized.
[Nexus 4 General] BlueScreenJunky:
-I only read that in one review (anand's I think) and they didn't make a big deal out of it, just said it was not as responsive as the optimus G. That doesn't worry me.

-I don't really care about thermal performance unless the phone burns my hand.

- I don't really care about benchmarks but anyway I don't see how these results (with the throttling) are much better than my current SGS2 and much better than any other phone under $300.

-I don't have LTE were I live... But I do have access to hspa+ and afaik the Nexus 4 is the only phone under $300 that has hspa+

-I don't care about removable batteries, but I am indeed annoyed by the lack of sd card... the only real flaw I can see so far (but once again for the price you can't really complain.)

So yeah I'd prefer to have even better performance, but I'm still buying one even with these slightly disappointing performances (compared to the optimus g)

Anyway, back on topic : It would be interesting to know how often the phone throttles outside of benchmarks, my guess is quite a lot in games and almost never during normal use.

Also, I guess those with the best samples will probably be able to undervolt and actually improve benchmarking performances.

Envoyé depuis mon Nexus 7 avec Tapatalk
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
I think someone needs to create a script to post a new message every few minutes ..... LOL

PRE-RELEASE software

THIS PHONE ISN'T EVEN RELEASED YET

Heat issues are software, not hardware related.

A simple OTA will fix that, as HTC did with the ONE X heat issues.

N4 is the first phone to use this new kernel.

Also first phone on 4.2

If all bugs were fixed already, the phone would have been released already.

Even newly released phones usually have bugs and get a quick update within a week or 2 that fixes it.

The websites who have posted benchmarks for an unreleased phone operating on unfinished software which Google told them.... are crap websites and shouldn't even be allowed future devices early next time - it's very unprofessional

At least some reviews out there, have focused on the device itself.
[Nexus 4 General] kenjiwing:
Why would google release products to be reviewed if its not the final product? Thats just as stupid in my eyes.
[Nexus 4 General] thenext1:
And how many things did Google overlook, when they released Galaxy Nexus?

Apparently the only thing they care about, is writing down they have a 1.5 ghz quad core phone, then if the CPU throttles to 300 mhz after ten seconds of play, it's the customer's imagination.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
LOL :laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] Ajfink:
But they did. They said that the software was not final release, and was missing lockscreen functionality, for example.
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
It's very common for review units from phone manufacturers run pre-release software. What do you mean?

That said, it does seem a little late for the software to be missing key features like lock screen widgets. So my guess is Google is racing to go gold with 4.2 especially since they have to flash to new devices in production. This is why I am not optimistic battery life will be improved in the initial release.
[Nexus 4 General] thenext1:
But surely the hardware was final. You don't fix hardware six days before launch. So how do you fix badly designed thermal cooling? By throttling down the CPU aggressively.

I can see Google quietly rolling out Rev.2 phones, maybe later in 2013, which won't suffer from overheating.
[Nexus 4 General] F1tty:
please close...gettin stupid such threads...nothin to cry

the only big apple still here ;)

lets wait for the next nexus :)
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
^ that's it ^

hardware problem can't fixed by software :silly:
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Its the kernel that is buggy, that's all.

I hope all you moaners in this thread don't buy this phone, as I don't want you all in here when its released, probably moaning even more so on simple things.

Geeeez
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
What frequency does the phone idle at?
[Nexus 4 General] F1tty:
200 from stock i would believe
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
its not 200mhz , its :Min CPU Freq	384 MHz

Source glbench

Edit- btw didnt mean that to shoot you down lol
[Nexus 4 General] Ajfink:
Not necessarily. It's pretty common to do smaller test runs of pre-final hardware, or even medium-sized ones, for internal and partial external testing. However, I would have to agree that handing out review units that may have issues with them is a silly idea for a company that wants favorable reviews.
[Nexus 4 General] supercakefish:
I don't give a monkeys ******** about throttling if it is restricted to benchmarking software only. As long as the phone is reaching it's full potential in 3D games and everyday usage, I'm game.

Please let this throttling be a benchmarking issue only...
[Nexus 4 General] mELIANTE:
Well, I just hope these "problems" are solved before I move to the UK, if I can't find someone to send me the phone from one of the Play Store countries. :)
[Nexus 4 General] smaghe:
414 posts, 3 thanks. Nuff said.
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
Isn't that kinda high for idle? GS3 idles at 96mhz with custom kernels which is sick.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
default lower freq for GS3 , GS2 is 200Mhz and any thing lower than that is useless :)
[Nexus 4 General] gideonMorrison:
I sure as hell hope that it's not a hw issue, that we/us early adopters get effed and later on a rev.2 will be released without the bs. The question really is when will knew if it's a hw or sw issue? Hopefully a.s.a.p. god damn.
[Nexus 4 General] familiarstranger:
My assumption is that this is all Kernel related. I'll be ordering on the 13th and can't wait to load a custom kernel/rom.
[Nexus 4 General] F1tty:
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee kinda hell
[Nexus 4 General] thenext1:
Think with the iHerd to get iThanks. I prefer to think independently.

(side note: most of those posts were made when there was no "thank-system" here on XDA)
[Nexus 4 General] gideonMorrison:
Pure speculation, of course. I won't be flashing. It's Google's and LG's duty to make the N4 run its full potential. I'll be more than willing to pay the retail price (and probably even more), but just don't come bs'ing that you're selling the N4 for cheap because of market share and ad revenues. Make it f***ing work, Google & LG or man the eff up and acknowledge that you effed up in the hw department.
[Nexus 4 General] ed10000:
I just read the first few and last few pages of the thread, and didn't find this piece of info so posting it here. I'm sorry if it has been posted already!

The new scores are when the benchmarks were run with the phone in a freezer! Brian did that to confirm if it was a throttling issue or something else.

Source: https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/266194787466616832

http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/12rk7s/anandtech_have_run_new_nexus_4_benchmarks_which/ (one of the comments from Brian)
[Nexus 4 General] newbieandroid:
"The Nexus 4 was really hot by the end of our GLBenchmark run, which does point to some thermal throttling going on here" - anandtech

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/2

This is what makes all of us believe it's thermal throttling.

Now when you look at the Optimus G it seems like it's cooling the SoC pretty well.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6305/lg-optimus-g-performance-preview
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
Read the Nexus 4 performance preview again. They had to run the benchmark tests seperately for the Optimus G, so it didn't heat up as much.
[Nexus 4 General] Penopata:
Interesting how silly that sounded before we actually learned the truth, huh? :D

I bet a lot of this will be fixed in a software patch, but if there's bad hardware design, then there's bad hardware design. Perhaps some undervolting via custom kernel might be viable here? Maybe part of the reason the device is so cheap is because nexus 4 could run the bad side of the binning process?

Even *when* throttled, however, the performance is spectacular at a mere 300 USD cost. I'll accept the flaw myself considering I'd other never expect such performance on an unlocked brand new device at that price, let alone a Nexus to boot.

Likewise, LG tends to have major software problems, not major hardware problems. I would not be surprised if the throttling profile has some bad settings.
[Nexus 4 General] funky_snowman:
Overheating can very easily be the product of software problems. In fact, this is often the case when dealing with multiple cores. Perhaps quad core functionality hasn't been implemented properly yet. If the phone is trying to do all of the heavy lifting without all of the cores running properly, then you can run into a situation in which fewer cores are generating considerably more heat than 4 cores would if they were working normally. This sort of thing could also very easily explain the lesser performance and battery life of the preproduction model. We won't know for sure until its released and any initial bugs are fixed, but, realistically, i fully expect early software updates to fix almost all of these gripes.

You people complaining about problems with preproduction models sound like dramatic little girls. Because the best time to form an opinion about this device is before you even see one in person, especially a production version, right?
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Did it really defeat the mighty iPhone in a graphical tests? Gosh this is unheard of in an Android device.
[Nexus 4 General] Notorious544d:
People seriously need to relax.

Even if this IS a problem, we all load custom kernels anyway. I'm sure we'll end up UV'ing the CPU/GPU and even under-clocking, which won't be a bad thing since the phone is screaming fast. The N4 runs at 1.5Ghz right? Set it at 1.2Ghz with ~300mV UV (from 1.5Ghz) and we'll all be fine :cool:
[Nexus 4 General] gideonMorrison:
I won't. I will be running stock. And I expect LG and Google to fix whatever needs fixing. Obviously.
[Nexus 4 General] Blazing angel:
This is 100% irrelevant

Since when do smartphones have large heatpipes, thermal output of 35-90w, and a fan? Com'on man...
[Nexus 4 General] dario3040:
Well, this only occurred in one benchmark.
[Nexus 4 General] Phorce:
Those saying that Google would not sell defective hardware should think again, Microsoft RROD (

Still bought it and currently have 3

) :o