yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
So throttle it is . but its not common to have games that will push the system so hard as the benchmarks its going to take at-list a year from now .

and there's only real 3-2 flagship games that really push the system. this whole throttle issue is vastly over exaggerated
[Nexus 4 General] anirudh412:
What is this!! You are insinuating that the S4 Pro clobbers every other SOC out there!! What sorcery is this??!! Preposterous!!
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
Its xda what do ya think :p
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
And they have the nerve to add a high res screen & 2gb ram and charge people half the price.

Even scores an awful 2000+ geekbench,

This is awful!

.... For everyone else. :)
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
What were they smoking? Contrast of 159:1 are they serious? Even worse they claim the Galaxy Nexus has an Contrast ratio of 310:1

when in fact the contrast of AMOLEDS is usually too high to measure.
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
I just tried to run the entire suite of glbenchmark tests on my GNex and it crashed before it finished with an NPE.
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
lol , can even the iphone 5 do a full suit test ?
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
My SGS2 with CM10 can...

Surely pretty slow but it can^^
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
how long is the whole suit ?
[Nexus 4 General] anirudh412:
This device is a complete FAIL :cyclops: iPhone rulezzzzzzzzzz
[Nexus 4 General] mELIANTE:
Not to make fun of but that was legen-wait for it-dary!;)
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
You guys are forgetting that glbenchmark doesn't stress the CPU. A game might not be as GPU intensive as glbenchmark, it it will also use the CPU which will contribute to heat.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Not really, I own all the big games - horn, nova 3 etc etc

Gl benchmark heats up my phone A LOT more than what games can do.
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
Whats the time at North America now ? , What about the update ?
[Nexus 4 General] ryan92084:
It's just shy of 2pm on the east coast and 11am west coast
[Nexus 4 General] Testraindrop:
More than 10 mins on my device.
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
I also ran the Benchmark.

The 18 month old Galaxy S2 beats the One X? :laugh:

Which shows us once more what a failure Tegra 3 is in terms of GPU performance.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Not at all - you can't be serious!

T3 is a lot more powerful, the HOX is pushing out a lot more pixels than a S2 which is only about 800x480 lol

Plus there are a lot of games that are tegra optimized.

Plus, t3 offers a lot more visual effects than other CPUs.

[YOUTUBE]HpzkCTe76Bc[/YOUTUBE]

P.S I came from the SGS2 to the HOX, and its night & day - HOX is the best phone by far that I've owned, super fast, beautiful screen and design and battery is better than my old s2 aswell.
[Nexus 4 General] dario3040:
That is just a marketing thing, there is nothing special with the chip at all.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
What I'm saying is, if your gonna judge GPU performance with another - it has to be a similar pixel density.

HOX may show poor results on GL benchmark in comparision, but its pushing a lot more pixels compared to an old S2.

An s2 with a t3 would be 10 times better than what it currently has.

T3 HOX on JB gets 12,500 on Antutu and 7000 quadrant - better than an S3, nevermind an old S2.
[Nexus 4 General] efan3719:
that's a good point. it'd be like running a game on a pc at 800 x 600 and getting 60 fps and then bragging about how it's better than a computer running the game at 1440 x 900. not really a fair comparison.
[Nexus 4 General] Luk_Sch:
I even got 7300+ in Quadrant so don't say the HOX is bad, but nevertheless I'm getting the N4. :p
[Nexus 4 General] danielsf:
Actually for you example of the game dead trigger you gave, you can edit an XML file in the shared preferences folder of the game data on any device and get those special effects on any device. I did it to both my galaxy s2 and galaxy s3 and they were both smoother than my nexus 7 with it's gpu overclocked to 520mhz which is higher than the HOX stock gpu frequency (416mhz). Yes the galaxy s2 is running less pixels, so it isn't a fair comparison but if you forget the pixels. And look at the gaming ability, which is what is important to the end user, of the 267mhz mali-400mp4 in the s2 and the 416mhz geforce ulp in the HOX, Nexus 7, the gaming ability is about the same. Apart gameloft games, that have more effects on the s2 and look better and still have a higher framerate than the same gameloft game on my nexus 7. But I think we can all agree that gameloft and thier performance can be a pain in the... :)
[Nexus 4 General] JoeDoom:
Still waiting.. https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/267732873061224448
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
If you looked at the score you would see that the SGS2 performed better in both Offscreen tests which are independent from the native resolution.

10fps vs. 8.9 fps in egypt HD

and 48fps vs. 32 fps in egypt
[Nexus 4 General] Maroon Mushroom:
Looking forward to see what today's Nexus 4 update will bring to the table as far as bug fixes / performance / stability
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
Optimus G gets 7500+ in quadrant completely stock! I can't wait for the N4!
[Nexus 4 General] B97:
Half 10 here in the UK. Guess I won't see this update till tomorrow!
[Nexus 4 General] richteralan:
The whole Tegra exclusive games/effects are just marketing. NVIDIA knows how to do those since they have been doing it in the PC market for years.

Nothing special about Geforce ULP, and Tegra 3.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Why are sgs2 and HOX being compared to in THIS thread? Can't we just wait a little bit for an update?
[Nexus 4 General] NIK516:
After owning a gs2 galaxy nexus and now the s3 I can safely say bench marks do not mean anything , its all software optimization with the hardware not the numbers produced. My old galaxy s2 feels snappier on ics then my s3 on jb .

I don't care what numbers the n4 makes I know it will feel fast because the software and hardware will be in predict harmony.
[Nexus 4 General] DforDesign:
Nuf said! :thumbup:
[Nexus 4 General] kindiboy:
sane people like yourself have been saying this for years, no one cares lol... it's pathetic...
[Nexus 4 General] kydkupa:
Sad new guys. I dropped my nexus while cleaning my car. So now I'm waiting on my replacement from the job. I'll post pics later tonight.
[Nexus 4 General] sarni84:
No case!!!??? Sux dude!:eek::crying::(
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Eeek, that fragile!?

Please describe the drop when you post pics.
[Nexus 4 General] crazyalaa:
I guess no OTA today.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] jacklebott:
Today's not over yet, still 5.5 hours left in PST. Pretty sure Google uses PST too
[Nexus 4 General] apzalo:
Still 5+ hours before midnight at Google HQ.

EDIT: Bah, beat me too it.
[Nexus 4 General] Turbotab:
It is Sunday, why are people sweating this OTA, no consumers have the device yet?
[Nexus 4 General] apzalo:
No sweat. Just facts.
[Nexus 4 General] kydkupa:
No case cuz no

phone ain't out yet. Plus I think it hit a small rock. Sad day :(
[Nexus 4 General] heat361:
Oooh how bad is it?
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Ah, blasted rocks. Had a buddy drop a Thunderbolt in some bigass boxy expensive case, landed screen down on a concrete with one rock on it, destroyed that screen.
[Nexus 4 General] Red Wolf:
Check this benchmark video, nexus 4 vs iphone 5 vs G nexus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jduPN1JiiPo

nexus 4 just awesome :D
[Nexus 4 General] wngmv:
Already been posted. IMHO this fantastic performance with the old kernel/sw just adds to the confusion as to why others got really bad benchmarks.
[Nexus 4 General] rumthin:
For anyone waiting for word on the OTA update, according to Ron Amadeo's Google+ (he's the guy that reviewed the N4 for android police), the update has been pushed back for Nov.13.
[Nexus 4 General] jacklebott:
I'd rather they release the update on the 13th anyway, just means more testing before release. The phone's not even out yet anyway
[Nexus 4 General] wngmv:
Hopefully they can release it on 13th. Not later. I'm going to a Tmobile store to ask for one to play with tomorrow.
[Nexus 4 General] overhauling:
Sorry if this has been posted already, but GeekBench benchmarks are looking really good for the Nexus 4: http://www.mobilemag.com/2012/11/11...-two-days-is-it-the-right-smartphone-for-you/
[Nexus 4 General] kefloxin:
That's awesome lol, must mean that the thermal problem has been fixed.
[Nexus 4 General] PlanBSTi:
Pre order here I come.
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
hahaha, my phone got a 375
[Nexus 4 General] Martin_Ro:
No, I think you are wrong, because they mention that the phone gets very hot durring heavy usage. Seams as if their version only isn't that sensitive to heat and therefore didn't throttle. Maybe also it has been 1-2° cooler in their room or something like that...

Maybe the review samples are all prototype assemblies and thus have a bigger quality range than the production parts. We will see it soon (hopefully in 48h).
[Nexus 4 General] overhauling:
375? Mine got ~800 and that's because it's running CM9, otherwise It would've done a lot worse. Can't wait to ditch this phone!
[Nexus 4 General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
No kidding, I'm on a Galaxy S, running an ICS port overclocked to 1.4 GHz. I think if I ran this on stock, the program would just laugh at me.
[Nexus 4 General] Slender Troll:
That is one of the first reviews i have read that doesn't make a big fuss about the lack of LTE.

Motorola Photon 4G
[Nexus 4 General] intern:
I wouldn't put too much faith in that review. They don't even have a unit. They're just talking about the phone in general.
[Nexus 4 General] Slender Troll:
I know that. I was specifically pointing out that they didn't make a big deal out of the lack of LTE on the phone.

Motorola Photon 4G
[Nexus 4 General] Turbotab:
In the video, only 2 tests were selected, the site that reported potential down clocking of the SoC due to thermal issues (Anandtech) selected all the tests, that is a massive test and obviously stresses the chip a lot. I recommend downloading GL Benchmark 2.5 and selecting all the tests (Onscreen & Offscreen) it will torture any device iOS or Android.

It seems that the thermal limit of their Nexus 4 in their device was set quite low, and was throttling the phone very early, the reviewer mentioned the phone didn't feel that hot. The value can be easily changed by kernel developers, as long as the hardware can handle it.

Lets wait and see, I won't be buying a Nexus 4 until after Christmas, I was lucky that my pre-ordered Nexus 7 wasn't affected by lots of the issues reported on the early devices. Being the first to buy any new tech makes you a guinea pig, my tablet is a toy, but I need my phone to be 100% reliable.
[Nexus 4 General] wngmv:
Thanks for the explanation. It makes a lot of sense. I will have to go to a store and test it out myself then.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
HMM one day to launch and no sign for ota at all :eek::eek:
[Nexus 4 General] lnfound:
They said it got postponed to the 13th, release day. Good that they're seemingly actually working on some things but also bad because I think a number of people were hoping to see some updated reviews prior to purchases going live.
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
Uh, did you even read the review?
[Nexus 4 General] Nebulaeus:
Engadget has posted that Google has released an update for the Nexus 4 and Nexus 10:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/12/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-android-4-2-final-update-adds-lock-screen-w/

Hopefully we will be able to see if this problem has been fixed sooner rather than later!
[Nexus 4 General] danielsf:
I completely agree with you, my nexus 7 with it's 40nm Tegra T30L will hit thermal limits on stock when trying to finish this benchmark even undervolted and my dear old exynos 4412 (32m) s3 crashes before it even gets a chance to finish. Every SoC will eventually hit it's thermal limit, I am just glad the device can actually get through all the tests *cough unlike the galaxy s3 :P (don't get me wrong I love the s3, just not it's support from Samsung)
[Nexus 4 General] benhc911:
we need some xda fan / early reviewer to update and re run some benchmarks for us... I know I can just try these things after I have it, but if the benchmarks still imply a thermal throttle issue, I'm going to have to strongly consider a note 2 or droid DNA... especially since my contract is up anyways, and in Canada if you are staying with the same company, on or off contract makes no difference to the bill... unless you go pay as you go which is generally terrible for data (SFAIK).
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
Waiting for updated reviews :D
[Nexus 4 General] Capt.PP:
So, this result was a re-do in a fridge to proved the phone has thermal problems.
[Nexus 4 General] omersak:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/12/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-android-4-2-final-update-adds-lock-screen-w/

Benchmarks updated with new OTA. No change. Seems like it'd have to be in a freezer for optimal performance/battery.
[Nexus 4 General] Capt.PP:
This time Engadget updated N4 and N10 but no different in benchmarks. It's so low compared to LG Optimus G....
[Nexus 4 General] Pickx:
Wow, not trying to be melodramatic but Google has really screwed this phone's launch in every conceivable way:

- Witheld 32GB version at launch which made this a no-buy for 'hardcore' early-adopters like me

- Didn't force LG to sell at Play Store prices in non-Play Store countries which will hurt worldwide adoption and momentum

- Didn't run the benchmarks to see the phone has thermal issues and is not comparable in performance to Optimus G during pre-production

- Didn't have nearly enough stock for launch

- Didn't improve the benchmark scores and didn't fix the underlying problem that's causing it.

The incompetence here is astounding
[Nexus 4 General] CreepyDroid:
Engadget benchmarked the nexus 4 using final software, nothing changed from before, still far behind the optimus G:
[Nexus 4 General] B97:
Must be incompatibility or optimisations. Either way I love the phone and have mine ordered!
[Nexus 4 General] James.UBC:
u serious bro?

- Hardcore early adopters would have already bitten the 16 because -- wait for it -- they're hard core. iIagree the lack of 32gb is bummer but it's really not that bad. 8gb on the other hand... that's just disgusting

- Google sells these phones cheap because they want to expand their platform ie. ads and the play store. It's a loss leader approach but if google has no way of recouping some of that lost potential then there's no real reason for them to sell so low.

- Pre production hardware + software. What on earth did you expect?

- We all knew this was going to happen. Nexus launches are always super tight on the schedule. They start production a week before launch and then scale as required. Evene the ipnone 5 and s3 ran out of stock fast and they have massive and streamlined supply network in place from previous years. Google is still trying to get recognition/power for the nexus brand.

- Benchmark scores aren't everything especially super artificial ones. Sure running a few synthetic benchmarks will cause thermal throttling but who cares? They were designed for regular use not benchmarks in mind.
[Nexus 4 General] DforDesign:
**** on that. You're gonna own best phone on the planet anyway if you get n4.
[Nexus 4 General] gideonMorrison:
Can you send me your pink glasses? Making myself a hot cup of naivety right about now, too.
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
I saw the new benchmarcks and it seems there are no differences between news and olds one.

Is it possible that everything happens because the software is not optimized yet?
[Nexus 4 General] Martin_Ro:
There is still a not so small chance it depents on prototypes as review phones.

If you look some youtube handons you will see even different packages for the N4, so even this seem to be different.

So maybe this is the reason for the quite different ratings in the review. Some say there is some issue with thermal throttling, some say "phone stays cool". Some say the battery is horrible, some say it's best they have ever seen on an android.

For me, this sounds like a problem with preproduction phones.

I can remember that I have once been on the Cebit in Hannover, ATI has made a "Preview" for the press of an upcoming graphic chipset.

As far as I can remember, the new boards should be go to customer the month after and this Preview-Board was such a *****.. it was horrible. Even the representativ from ATI told us, he has expected more from it, but the preview board was only a last minute thing and therefore not that stable and well build (aka prototype). The next month came and the boards has been sold and everything was just fine.

So maybe it's something like that. Let us see what's up, when the first people here get the real production into their fingers :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
I completly agree with you :)
[Nexus 4 General] flight777:
If you read Anand's FULL review properly you can see that he suspects the software and not the hardware ;):
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
hmm its about half of OG :(
[Nexus 4 General] omersak:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review

Full review now up.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
read it 1 hour ago and nothing new :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] flight777:
Did you even looked at my post just above yours?? :confused:
[Nexus 4 General] enviii:
After what you just wrote, are you going to order the Nexus day one or wait it out? Just curious.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
lol yep :D
[Nexus 4 General] Tatsuya79:
Get your azote case for your LG phone NOW! :good:

On a more serious note, I'd like to hear feedback about the Padfone 2 to know if it throttle/heats up as much or if LG integration is just particularly bad.
[Nexus 4 General] flight777:
So that means that the OG is not faster as the N4. Only, the N4 is able to complete benchmarks (OG is not) because it uses proper thermal throttling and thus has to slow down its CPU after so many minutes of benchmarking. The OG would just crash.

This lets me believe that there is no actual performance difference during normal use (other then that the N4 will not crash as often as the OG).
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
ok but that mean cpu had overheating even its 28Nm i've used GS3 ( with 32Nm cpu ) and never had any overheating or bad thermal throttling issue :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] flight777:
Well not exactly. The N4 prevents the CPU from overheating by thermal throttling, so that latter is not bad either and is really needed. However, you are right when you say that the N4 and OG are not loosing heat fast enough to allow full utilisation of the CPU for longer stretches. I don't know about the S3 how it handles temperatures.

The devs should be able to alter the limits when the thermal throttling kicks in as it is apparently software related. However, that may cause real overheating and thus can damage your phone because the thermal throttling is preventing it now. But no doubt they can be stretched a little further :)
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
maybe we should ask the people in asus padfone 2 fourms if they have any of those problem , if not i think its bad mother bored design or something else ( LG fault )
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Hmm they didn't see 40 Mhz wifi support. Pretty lame if that can't be fixed. I thought the hardware should support that?
[Nexus 4 General] PoisonWolf:
Just skimmed through Anandtech's review....

Thought it was hilarious that they ran phone tests while placing it in the freezer lol.

But the battery life section really says it all though. At best, the N4 is a mediocre battery life phone.
[Nexus 4 General] immunityx:
Looks like the cpu is being capped to 1134mhz at many benchmarks
[Nexus 4 General] Christian Troy:
An Italian guy has bought yesterday a padfone 2 and told that the device runs very cool even when quadrant (7500) and antutu (14000) is run
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
thank u

so its LG fault :/ because s4 pro is beast but they ruined it
[Nexus 4 General] Christian Troy:
Very *cold damn auto correction lol.

I'm very disappointed, I was looking forward this phone to keep it for a long time
[Nexus 4 General] Stefa.:
Me too. Let's see if the situation will change with an optimized software and with the definitive hardware!
[Nexus 4 General] Martin_Ro:
I have had ordered mine allready at 9:20 CET :highfive:
[Nexus 4 General] Barso1:
I was all for selling my GS3 for this but I think I'll eBay the nexus 4 when it arrives.

Very disappointing what's happening. This phone should have been a show-stopper and it's not.
[Nexus 4 General] undercover:
Might be a good thing I couldn't get mine today. Will probably sit it out for a bit.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
I don't care what a benchmark app says,

This is an S4pro with 2gb ram.

Enough said.

It will fly through anything that is out-there,

But if benchmarks really mean everything,

Someone from Germany posted GL benchmarks from the app, and it scored a higher GPU result than the iPhone 5.

we will most likely see 4.2.1 which will fix a lot of software bugs - this is what they've done with all nexus devices, the increment update is usually pretty fast after release.

So, why panic?
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
**** this ****

htc droid dna with 1080p screen get 8500 in quadrant and 11500 in antutu and its have same cpu - gpu :eek::eek:

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_droid_dna-review-849p3.php
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
I suspect quadrant cant deal with 4.2 and is reading inaccurately. Even the OG with ICS is getting 7000+.
[Nexus 4 General] omersak:
That's exectly what i was thinking - maybe this was done to verify and prove that it is indeed thermal throttling that caused the poorer results, as opposed to unoptimized (for performance) software. Or, of course, maybe they got a new firmware update and everything had improved by default.

now we wait.
[Nexus 4 General] italia0101:
what times were the benchs done on the 2nd? because anand put the performance review on the same day at 11am and used the old benchs
[Nexus 4 General] Sottti:
So according to the latest results the photo would be something like this...

LG Optimus G --> dl.dropbox.com/u/83259317/LG%20Opt%20G.JPG

Google Nexus 4 --> dl.dropbox.com/u/83259317/N4.JPG

iPhone5 --> dl.dropbox.com/u/83259317/iPhone5.JPG

Galaxy S3 --> dl.dropbox.com/u/83259317/Galaxy%20S3.JPG

Bye
[Nexus 4 General] omersak:
Bye.
[Nexus 4 General] hardmanbdn:
Great news.this results seems good, a big upgrade from a galaxy nexus

Enviado desde mi Galaxy Nexus usando Tapatalk 2
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[Nexus 4 General] eep2378:
Benchmarks give some quantifiable number in order to compare these devices. They are unreliably inconsistent each time they run. This is just another clear example of that. You can have a device perform wonderfully on benchmark tests yet run like $hit for everyday use and vice versa.
[Nexus 4 General] BannaNN:
It´s looking realy promissing but I hope the battery has a good life because nexus devices (from my own experience) tend to be somewhat bad in that aspect.
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
Want a 7-8000 quadrant score now :)
[Nexus 4 General] supercakefish:
My level of hype and anticipation for this phone is exponentially growing by the hour...
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
How does this guy's benchmark stack up? I don't know what to compare with:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=33801816&postcount=52
[Nexus 4 General] limpopo:
https://twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/266193079772540928

Anandtech's Brian Klug: "Original run - on my desk Later run - inside my freezer in a bag"

So actually, this just illustrates that the Nexus 4 potentially does suffer from serious thermal issues - unless Anandtech has a bad unit.
[Nexus 4 General] jimmyz:
That explains alot
[Nexus 4 General] hol17:
Brian also said that the thermal limits were a bit low. He is still looking into it.
[Nexus 4 General] hardmanbdn:
We can't forget that they have PRE-Sale units, theses are not de sale units! and i hope that nexus 4 on sale on 13 have this little problem solved
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Google is aware of this and they will have them fixed before release date.