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[Galaxy Note II General] DjeMBeY:
Many people don't know anything about new DC networks and think that only 4G can handle high DL speeds.... Wrong!!

Everyone who don't mind the size and want to have Ultrafast Internet w/o waiting for proper 4G in UK should go for Note 2 LTE as is more future proof and hook it up with 3UK.. IMHO ;)
[Galaxy Note II General] okuda1971:
I can browse the web fast enough, I can download large apps and games in minutes, I can stream hd video frim YouTube and view all my online cloud storage photo's all without 4G..!! Apart from the resale value of the lte version what benefit is 4G to me??? This is the same old arguement about dual core/quad core....if the phone does what you need it too!! My question is simple what is coming that requires that sort of Internet speed?
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Point is, an LTE note2 has 42mbps capability on 3G whereas non LTE version has 21mbps capability.

So that's where the benefit is if you forget the 4G side of it.

Maybe 6 months into ownership as content online becomes more data hungry that extra speed will start to pay off.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
^ exactly my point!
[Galaxy Note II General] scote:
I got my 7105 a couple of days ago, both the EE shops in my town did not have one available on payg but they quoted £499 if they had, phones4u charged me £509 for a sim free one and it was an EE one in so much that the protective wrapper on the screen had an EE url on it, cant see any branding in the software though.

EE were trying to move me to a £46/month contract +£139 for the phone to go on 4g, I said no thanks I'll stay on my £8/month sim only unlimited internet contract thanks and buy a sim free phone saving myself ~£650 over two years. They said you cant be getting unlimited internet for that price, I said I am, I've only been warned about fair usage once in the last year when I had my old phone tethered to a laptop and downloading alot.

Just done a speed test with only 2 bars strength and got 19Mbps :)
[Galaxy Note II General] maffo999:
N7100 FTW!

Hello everybody,

I bought a N7100 with all you can eat data from 3 a month ago and I have to admit I'm very happy with this.

I've spent almost 1 month thinking whether getting the LTE version or not but then, due to the fact that LTE is not available here yet (Newcastle), I decided to go for the HSPA version.

Here in Newcastle as well as in Leeds, York and Manchester I get ultra speeds on 3's network (never below 8Mbit/s) and the signal is pretty much always stuck with H+ icon, sometimes with H but I never saw it switching to 3G.

I can tell you I chosed the HSPA version because I think EE has got some pretty expensive plans: sure, they've got 4G and they're the only one here but with the price I'd pay a monthly contract with EE (I should take the 8GB one and still it would be small for my needs) I'd pay more then what I pay for 3 and fixed broadband.

I really don't understand all these people going frenzy about having a 4G connection on their phone, Youtube works greatly on HSPA+ with HD videos as well as Google Music/Skype/Netflix, plus I can tether it to my tablet or my laptop if I need it.

I use my phone to stream music from Google or from my home server if I want to listen to some FLACs and watch Netflix when I'm on the train and, as far as I can tell, I never suffered network lags or extreme buffering.

As now, I don't think that having a 4G mobile phone is worth since the contract prices are extremely high compared to normal plans.

Just my 2 cents...
[Galaxy Note II General] speculatrix:
seems like the N7105 is getting some discount love!

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/sam...-pay-go-orange-t-mobile-ee-everything-1420028

a key reason for LTE in UK/Europe is the 800Mhz band, which should give decent speeds outside of urban areas.

otherwise I'd be happy with 3G, if only the operators actually provided enough bandwidth for it!
[Galaxy Note II General] MJLONGLEY:
Hi Guys,

I have only just discovered that my Note 2 bought online on 4 October 2012 on EE from Mobiles.co.uk is only a 3G model not the 4G model that I believed them all to be. There were no different models/variations advertised to choose from and the Samsung website then did not state that there were two different models. Did one supercede the other or are/were they both available simultaneously?
[Galaxy Note II General] scote:
Dont forget that as op pointed out 7105 has dc-hsdpa which 7100 does not. I got 19mbs without 4g or paying for it, its not my area yet anyway.
[Galaxy Note II General] DesertHawk:
This happened to me as well. Luckily my sister doesnt care about phones so I swapped my 7100 for her 7105 :D
[Galaxy Note II General] rocketpaul:
if 3 could give me speeds over 1mbps i would be happy with my n7100.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
It was total confusion because in the spec for 7100 it said 4G but that was (I think) just one USA 4G band that was of no use to us in UK but alot of companies like yours & Phones4U did tell people they were 4G & also wrongly told people they were good for later UK 4G use.

There was around 8 different Note2 models sold worldwide. The 7105 LTE model came a bit later to the UK because Samsung probably didn't have confirmation of which 4G bands the UK would need & also the 7105 was to satisfy other markets like Australia ETC

As for your purchase, it was extremely (& still is) rare for anyone other than EE,Orange or T-Mobile THEMSELVES to sell a contract 7105 although some shops like Phoneys4u did sell it on payg.

Basically October last year was a hugely confusing time to buy a Note2 unless you did alot of homework & insisted on getting confirmation of model numbers on the handset you were buying.

Nothing superseded anything else & both LTE & Non LTE versions of note2 are on sale in UK on contract as we speak.
[Galaxy Note II General] MJLONGLEY:
Thank you for that information.

Do I, or anyone else, have grounds for complaint of being sold the wrong item or anything similar?
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
If you were sold a Note 2 & were specifically lead to believe it was going to be suitable for UK LTE 4G reception on EE network (nobody had confirmation of the bands 3,O2 or Voda would be using back then) then yes as you were mislead by the retailer.

However all cases like yours appear to have one similarity ....that nothing was put in writing/email.

Without proof you were mislead its not really worth trying to get recompense & your time would be better spent selling your 7100 & buying a 7105 if you want UK 4G & DC HSPDA+ 42mbps Capability.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Ok so last week I rang up 3 again to ask them when my Note 2 (N7100) will accept their Ultrafast Internet.... Bearing in mind I knew before that it needs to be the N7105, but plenty of their customer service representatives and a manager all stated my phone is 4G ready. After I while I was told yes it Ultrafast Internet available, I asked is that 4G or the DC-HSPDA? I got no where so I raised a complaint after being miss sold a phone, this didn't get me any further, just wasting an hour on the phone with 3s complaints department with an obnoxious customer service representative who hasn't a clue the difference between 3G, DC-HSPDA and 4G....was I surprised no! After an hour she refused to raise my complaint higher, this didn't go down well.

I then got hold of 3s executives customers services department who rang me back today, they are based in Scotland rather than India. The guy basically admitted that 3 had mislead me and offered me the S3 LTE version for 3 as an exchange as they don't sell the Note 2 LTE version. I declined as I don't really want to go backwards, but took the Sony Xperia Z instead as it's the only phone out there other than the Note 2 which is fairly decent.

So I suggest if there is anyone else on 3 and have been told that your model is 4G ready, get it noted on your account and then complain!

:thumbup:
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Ill give this a shot in match when they get the lte model in stock
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
They are getting the LTE version in March, dam!
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
I popped in my local three store on friday asking about the lte note 2 and he said all we have right now is the S3 and he replied were getting ut next month.

For those interested i have just got off the phone and i have been informed by three that my N7100 is compatible with 4G lol.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Oh dam, shame the 3 executive adviser didn't give me that info!

Haha they told you as well lol! Get it noted and you will be fine!
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
On my account now that my handset is ultrafast and 4G compatible and now just need to find a definitive date for note 2 lte release and tell them that my trip to london i was shocked that i didnt get ultra fast speeds were they told me i would get them lol
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Have a look here and see if your town/city is on the list for March upgarde for DC-HSDPA http://blog.three.co.uk/2013/02/11/our-ultrafast-commitment-2/
[Galaxy Note II General] Rally205:
I have the same problem. I was told the phone was 4g ready and I believe 3's website also stated that the phone was 4g. Phoned yesterday and was initially told that yes it is. I asked them to note it and he then said that the phone is not 4g. He raised a complaint for me and 3 phoned me today and told me that I should have returned the phone within 14 days and I had no grounds for complaint. I told him they had mis-sold the phone to me. After that he would not take the complaint any further. Is there someone else that I can speak to?
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Hi, I first rang their customer services to make a complaint, they were useless! I then rang their complaints team on 0800 358 4916, spent an hour on phone to a advisor who knew nothing, she closed my complaint...at this point I was fumming! I then got hold of their executive complaints in Scotland on 08433733330, who swiftly exchanged my handset....I will note though I have previously rang up 3 in December out this issue and they note padded my account stating the phone was 4G ready and I said that when i got the phone my local store had also told me it was 4G ready when 3 launch 4G!

Good luck and I hope this helps!
[Galaxy Note II General] Rally205:
Thanks Maverick. I couldn't get a phone number for the UK call centre.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
No worries, I came across it on a forum somewhere, hope you get it sorted! Just add trading standards and ofcom into the conversation, that should help a bit :)
[Galaxy Note II General] James s3:
Just to clear something up. The N7105 can be bought from phones 4 u for 509.95. You can also purchase it on a standard 3g orange or tmobile tariff. Hope this helps
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
I believe Phones4U have been selling the N7105 for a while, I brought the N7100 from 3 direct on them telling me it was 4G ready... Hope that clears that up.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Edited
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Just been in three and my local store has them in stock so time to try and pull a crafty
[Galaxy Note II General] DjeMBeY:
3UK, DC-HSPA rules :D
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Do it! :D
[Galaxy Note II General] JCM800:
I'd like to jump in and ask please - if i get a Note 2 from '3' - the new ultrafast variant - would it be compatable with the N7100 roms or not(in particular Criskelo rom)? Sorry if its a naive Q - but i'm not sure. Thanks!
[Galaxy Note II General] D3_:
By "the new ultrafast variant" I'd assume it's an N7105, since the N7100 doesn't even support DC-HSDPA so it's not ultrafast at all.

In short: I highly doubt it.
[Galaxy Note II General] JCM800:
Thanks. Yes I'm assuming the ultrafast variant is the N7105. I think I'd be better off getting the original Note 2, I want the Crisekelo rom more than a slightly faster phone. Thanks for replying.
[Galaxy Note II General] irzero:
DChsdpa is as rare as LTE is on EE. only works in the city centers. i actually live in a city center with DCHSDPA and it doesnt work in my place.

i got a cheap 7100 brand new. ill get LTE on the note 3
[Galaxy Note II General] JCM800:
Thanks, well if the standard note 2 gives me similar speeds to my S3 did when I owned one I'd be happy enough really.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
My view on DC HSDPA is that often its a difference of around £60 (contract or prepay) overall which in 1yr or so when the phone is sold on would be mostly recouped in the form of higher resale value.

So thats obviously the one to buy because it has the ability to use DC as it becomes quickly introduced during 2013.

BUT .. if ROMs are your priority go for the N7100
[Galaxy Note II General] JCM800:
Thanks good point. But yeah I loved crisekelo rom on my old s3 and want that on my note 2 when I get one ASAP really :)
[Galaxy Note II General] ScottArten:
I can get H+ on my note 7100 here in York, UK

also i can get H all the time or H+ intermittently in some small villages near me like Kexby and Wilberfoss. That's with the Three network.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Yo can receive the standard H+ which is up to 21Mbps not 42Mbps, which you can only get with DC-HSDPA enabled devices.
[Galaxy Note II General] leexgx:
really depends how your phone shows it most do the bellow

H+ 21mb or 42mb (HSPA or DC-HSPA+) goto about : status to see what speed your connected at it should be HSPA+:24 fo DC (but you need to have something running using data as it norm backs off to basic H speeds when data is idle if that is so it may say 15 or 11 or lower)

H is 7.2mb or 14mb (HSDPA)

3G (UMTS) is 386kbs (that i wish phones would use when idle as it uses next to no power, my htc blackstone you could turn off hsdpa, phone would last for days on UMTS)

does the phone have dif icon from the H+ to see if DC-HSPA+ is working with out having to go into status, {{{ HSPA+:24 for DC (42mb) or HSPA+:15 for HSPA+ (21mb) i think that is the correct numbers}}}

also can you make that sig picture very small or removed it (preferably) please (I hate to see what that looks like on an small screen, its bad enough with the ads that are inserted in-between posts)
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
No phone still displays H+ if I go into status it will tell me more then like you say above.

Sorry but I'm not amending my signature for anyone, it was to put a point across to a guy in another thread who was being so immature! Plus I don't have access to a PC now for a couple of weeks!
[Galaxy Note II General] leexgx:
I was only asking I just (i could report it but not sure what the rules are on here about oversize sigs) its easier to just block the link instead as its quite easy to do in opera (i going to kill the in-line ads as well that's inserted in-between posts as they are little annoying, all over ads not blocked, unless they are in flash then you need to Fix your site and use PNG or JPG ads as backup when flash does not load as i use, click to play)

in the UK you do not have to tell any one that your recording the call (that's an USA thing), i going to goto my local 3 store see if they are misinformed still about the Note 2 been an 7105 LTE version when its not

going to see what Orange can do for me for the S4 LTE maybe when i comes out (probably going to stick with my currant thinking and get the 7105 as its more then 2x faster then the Motorola RAZR maxx i got now but the battery life of the NOTE 2 LTE is an issue does it last an full day can it last 2 days under norm use (talking like 5+hours screen on time as most none RAZR maxx phones i have used lucky if you get 2-3 hours with 3G switched off)
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Cant believe i was told i would be called back today rang the number at dinner time and the complaints department is closed lol
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
I was promised plenty of call backs they didn't happen!
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Ill be calling the scotland number back on monday morning, im not giving up my try
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Yes don't give up!
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Staying to get really pi&#ed off with three now 3 manager call balls claiming and swearing blind this n7100 is capable of dc-hsdpa speeds.. We're are they getting this info from. It's blatantly not I've tested it now

So a manager just rang me, she got my point after 45mins. Spoke to the tech team they even said it was compatible then they rang me back and told me its not and ive been miss sold the device, heres the best bit offered me a change of contract to a family member or an early upgrade with charge or escalate it again ffs
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
They don't have a clue mate, they just sat it to get you off the phone! Ask for it in black and white, I couldn't get it, had enough talking to them in the end, just go through to their executive customer services who know what they're talking about!
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Going to be ringing them in a bit from a landline because of the number, i added a bit from today's call also bloody joke
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
I hope you get it sorted! Yeah their premium number costs are a joke! :mad:
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Couldnt ring today ill try tomorrow didnt wont home in time.. I really think they need to sort this out and stop advising people also
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Well I had a conversation with the guy from the executive office about exactly that, they need to stop the mis leading straight away otherwise this will just keep on happening!
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Well they seem to have given up on me and passed my complaint to that scotland number haha there calling me Monday at 12pm. Things could be going right
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Good stuff! Sounds like you will get your compliant resolved then :)
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Fingers crossed Ill keep ya posted.
[Galaxy Note II General] jonro99:
N7105

I have just got the GT - N7105 from Vodaphone..for free!! They messed up my original N7100 upgrade and further upgraded me to the N7105 as a 'good will gesture'

I know Voda don't offer 4G and in my area it will be some time, However as someone pointed out resale value may be higher in 18months :D
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
The N7105 is more use than just higher resale value & 4G, its capable of double the speed on 3G than a N7100 & that faster 3G (DC HSDPA+) is going to come to all the networks as a backup to 4G so we can capitalize on it with a non 4G contract ; )
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Really beginning to piss me off now how many times can this get escalated, said the best they can do is offer me 4 quid a month off my bill, still not had the Scotland people ring me yet........
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
£4...tell them to stuff it! Have they actually raised a compliant or are they just leading you on? As if they have just ring up the Scotland team and they will take over it.
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Spoken to different people each time, i rang the scotland number and she told me it has to be escalated so many times but she said just tell them you qant it escalating each time and it will get here but i forget how many times she said it would take, if i havent had a callback by thursday im going to ring the scotland number and demand they deal with my request, he was a right obnoxious tool today, said i should of raised my complaint when i got the device, i did except you sacked it off because you hadnt rolled out ultra fast, im not giving up.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Too right don't give up! Hmm not sure about the escalation thing, I only raised my complaint once, they couldn't do anything so I just went straight to Scotland team and they did. Hope you get it sorted tho!
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Right if thats the case im ringing scotland and taking it from there as it looks like im being taken for a ride here
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
I would buddy!
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
sorted it is now been raised to the Scotland number after spending 5 mins on the phone with them, they will ring me back within 5 working days with a resolution.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Good stuff!
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Boom just spent an hour and 45 mins on the phone with a manager because apparently they had opened my complaint as 2 separate cases hence why it felt like i was getting the run around, N7105 being delivered by a courier on the 3rd April.

Maverick thank you so much for your input and the phone number.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Wicked! I'm glad you got it resolved in the end, it was worth it :)
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Oh yeah worth the hassel in the end, put in a complaint about them telling folk the phone isnt ultra fast compatible and they said its actually something there looking at resolving gets off the phone got my uncle to ring up and they still told him it was lol
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Lol they told me they would put a stop to it when I complained too!
[Galaxy Note II General] timmyk101:
It took three calls today to 333 to get to speak to manager. Complaint escalated. helped when I told them I also have recording of phone call where they tell me it's super fast etc. Dc-hspa+ capable. When asking what I wanted for resolution I said note 2lte. £26 for the new invisisheild full screen protector I will have to buy for it as I can't save it off current note2. And a financial gesture of goodwill of my bill for the 2hrs plus on hold wasting my time explaining and the other calls to check out phone specs pre upgrade.

Big love to xda and whoever started this thread callback due from complaints this week.

Keep you ask posted
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Hope you get it, but damn it taken me all in all 9 and a bit weeks to get any were with them, and they reckon "my exchange is a one off gesture and wouldnt do it for anyone else" yeah like i believe that BS, keep us posted mate
[Galaxy Note II General] skinnymat72:
Note 2

Purchased a Note 2 today from Phones4u on a 26/month 500 min and Unlimited txts and data 24 month contract with t-mobile and the salesman instore told me that it was 4g ready and that I would have to pay an extra 5 per month when the 4g was available in my area.

Just got home and looked at the model and it's a 7100 not the LTE 7105 model so my understanding is that I would never be able to get 4g on the handset.

What should I do as I feel that I have been missold the phone and I am not sure If I can even return it as I think phones4u do not offer returns or refunds.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
If you brought a product on the basis of what the salesman said then yes you should as he has missold you. You should go down asap and explain that you have been sold the wrong model and get them to correct it which ever way they can.

Don't let them push you around as Phones4U can be like that at times.

Let us know how you get on.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Well.. Phones4U don't sell the LTE version on T-Mobile contracts, the only way you will buy a N7105 LTE on contract from them is if you take out an EE contract & the cheapest one is £36 with a useless data allowance.

Phones4U are notorious for talking any old nonsense to make a sale.

Take it back.
[Galaxy Note II General] Yakyakyak:
My brother got an iPhone from phones4u a couple of years ago. The sales guy told him that the 1gb was enough because all iPhone data is compressed and that 1gb was like having 5gb on an android phone.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
That basically somes them up really!
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
As P4U sell 4G & non 4G Note 2's its almost impossible to believe the salesmen don't know the N7100 wont work on 4G, that's the point I would make when returning the phone.

I have a personal preference never to give them a penny of my money.