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[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
Well I know a three engineer and he has told me there is no way this poxy town has DC-HSDPA before some city's have it.

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Yeah you get faster data speeds at home I was getting 5mbps now I get roughly between 12-13

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Has somebody managed to grab the lte model from three and stayed stock? What baseband and build number did it come with?
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Yes, the newer faster 3G (DC HSDPA+ as mentioned in this thread) is the 3G that the LTE model is capable of receiving & the N7100 is not capable of receiving.

That's regardless of whether you have a 4G contract or not.

So just to sum up, a N7105 used on a normal 3G phone contract has a potential to receive data at twice the speed of a N7100 as masts are upgraded.
[Galaxy Note II General] securespark:
Which county do you live in?
[Galaxy Note II General] charmz2k2:
Thank you! That's what I was unsure about whether those speeds would be on a normal 3g contract or just on a 4g one.

Then I will go ahead with the swap :D
[Galaxy Note II General] xcly:
I set my 4g model to use 3g only, but would that still be able to use the dc hsdpa?
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Yes, as DC-HSDPA is classed as Ultra Fast 3G, LTE (4G) runs differently....so it makes sense to run on 3G only for now until LTE is available.
[Galaxy Note II General] ahmadcentral:
Clearly you know nothing. The engineer you know is only guessing. How do i know? because he says "there is no way" implying that he is not sure.

Again, you're not understanding.

Let me give you an example. There is a car in front of you. It has either one of two engines. Engine one has a max speed of 21mph and engine two has a max speed of 42mph.

You get in the car. You drive it and hit 28mph. It is obvious you are using engine 2.

This applies with HSPA+ and DC-HSPA+

The network signal app means nothing, there is no differentiator between DC-HSPA+ and HSPA+ on that app. Trust me i know.

So if you are getting 28mbps you are connected to a DC-HSPA+ mast. You cannot physically ever get that speed on a HSPA+ mast. It is 110% impossible.

Three currently have 85% DC-HSPA+ coverage and a lot of the UK has already been done. The masts have been upgraded and backhaul is in place. so it is highly likely your town and other towns around you have been upgraded to DC-HSPA+. Your town already has. FACT.

Are you actually this dumb?
[Galaxy Note II General] securespark:
Newbie to this forum or not, I have to say that you could have got your point across without using the last line.
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
5 years ive been on this forum and it really is just full of cheeky gits like your self, you claim im dumb because three them selves and an engineer have told me my area is not DC-HSDPA but clearly because your on XDA you know better.

there is no need to insult people that's not what this forum is about well it never used to be if you want to be persona then send a pm don't try and just be another clever Muppet on here like the other folk about
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
That's the first time I've ever heard the phrase "there is no way" to be interpreted as "not sure".

Lol
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Hmm dude I'm not sure why you have come on to this thread attacking someone, was there any need??
[Galaxy Note II General] ahmadcentral:
But the thing is that you're not understanding is that they are wrong. If you get over 21mbps in a speed test you are in a DC-HSPA+ area. Do you still not understand this basic concept?

Ask your engineer friend if it's possible to get 28mbps on a HSPA+ 21 enabled mast. He will laugh at you.
[Galaxy Note II General] Kremata:
Well maybe you should re-write Wikipedia

SOURCE-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access#Evolved_High_Speed_Packet_Access_.28HSPA.2B.29
[Galaxy Note II General] ahmadcentral:
Yup. evolved HSPA has a maximum download speed of 168Mbps+. However, no current network uses that technology, and becides you need Dual Cell HSPA to even get over 21mbps. I suggest you read your linked article again. HSPA starts at 14.4Mbps, HSPA+ has a max speed of 21Mbps (rel7). DC-HSPA+ has a max of 42Mbps (rel8). No current network has evolved beyond DC-HSPA+ at the moment.

Perhaps you should read this.

http://electronicdesign.com/communications/understanding-hspa-cellular-technology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access#User_Equipment_.28UE.29_categories

Do you guys on XDA really not know the difference here?
[Galaxy Note II General] Kremata:
Strange that you've been here for 5 years but you join XDA in Nov 2011

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You link is old.

First of all it's 84Mbits not 168Mbps. And here you have it. 84Mbps for HSPA+ and you can double it with DC(dual cell). Of course those speed are theoretical and I'm sure no network really achieve this kind of speed in real life but from 84Mbps to 28Mbps is not unthinkable.

P.S. Assuming that you know what all the current network are using is a bit irrealistic(to not say something else). And telling people they are stupid and dumb doesn't give more weight to your point.
[Galaxy Note II General] ahmadcentral:
No. You are wrong in that Three are using rel9. They use rel7 and rel8. Therefore if you are in a HSPA+ area you will only see speeds up to 21Mbps. If you are in a DC-HSPA+ area you will see speeds up to 42Mbps.

You cannot get more than 21mbps on HSPA+ without DC-HSPA+

I see you just ignored my wikipedia link which proves you wrong. Don't talk about things you know nothing about.
[Galaxy Note II General] Kremata:
I didn't ignore it, I just thought it was the same link as mine. If I follow your link I can see that Rel7 can go to 28Mbps with HSPA+ or you an get 28Mbps with DC-HSPA on Rel8
[Galaxy Note II General] ahmadcentral:
This is what Vodafone UK use. (bit in bold)

Three UK use DC-HSPA+ cat 24 with speeds up to 42mbps as do EE/O2.

Three do not use MIMO at the moment, they use Dual Cell as mentioned above (DC-HSPA+). Therefore the theortical max speed achievable on HSPA+ via Three's network is 21Mbps. The only way you can get more than 21mbps is if you are connected to a dual cell site which supports max 42mbps.

However, Three will stop here now with 3G/HSPA and move onto 4G LTE.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Kremata,

I also have been on XDA as a member for well over 5yrs myself but my profile says alot less because I had to re join for technical reasons.

No good detective would miss that possibility

: D
[Galaxy Note II General] E_Goldstein:
on my second account first was Demon_man was a hd2 nerd...

secondly as much as you quote and type stuff down all im doing is repeating what three themselves have told me so why the need to insult me?

All I have said is "three have told me i dont live in a dc-hsdpa area ask them yourself... DN327HP..makes no difference to me that your being jumped up and offensive about it the last few pages have been great help to myself and a few other users on the subject of getting the ultra fast version out of three because of there mistakes and your bashing because of something that was said.
[Galaxy Note II General] rav0r:
DC-HSDPA

I will get the n7105 in a few days. In Romania Orange offers Nationwide HSDPA coverage and DC-HSDPA is not uncommon with users having compatible devices reporting speeds up to 25 mbit/s. I will post some tests as soon as I get my device.

LTE is also being actively developped but only in 1800 mhz, but in one year the 800 mhz spectrum will be freed up so we will also have a good LTE coverage. For the moment, I will not be able to test LTE as prepaid plans are not available and I personally don't need more than a few mbit/s speed. I only need speed for wifi in order to transfer files smoothly. I will keep you updated.
[Galaxy Note II General] securespark:
Well, as of Friday just gone, O2 and Voda have gone live with 4G, according to CPW.

They are sharing technology (not joining forces in the same way as Orange and T mobile) so coverage will be the same on both carriers.

Anyhow, never mind the N7105, who's looking forward to the Note III???:D
[Galaxy Note II General] thedadio:
Im on sim only with three. Looking forward to free 4g in december plus my contract renewes in jan. So im deffo getting the note 3. My gf can have my note 2 and sell it as well as her s3 and she can buy whatever phone she wants as long as it isnt an iphone
[Galaxy Note II General] quertiy:
Lol lol Exact same situation here.
[Galaxy Note II General] rav0r:
I've tested the N7105 on Orange Romania, but the maximum speed on DC HSDPA I get is 10 mbit/s, though 30% higher than on Note1. Still no sign of LTE in the city I am now, perhaps, when I return Home, i will find something. Orange has a custom of exagerating the areas covered.
[Galaxy Note II General] ShonkUK:
Its not DC-HSDPA then here's my N7000 (Note 1) on HSDPA 21
[Galaxy Note II General] rav0r:
Samsung says it is.http://m.samsung.com/hk_en/consumer...ts/GT-N7105TADTGY?subsubtype=lte-mobile-phone

Anyway, it's not that important.

The idea is I sometimes get better latencies compared to N7000.
[Galaxy Note II General] ShonkUK:
I didnt mean your phone isnt dc-hsdpa i meant you cant be connected at it

if you can only get 10 Mbps

I have a S3 LTE also and that gets around 25 Mbps peak on dc-hsdpa

Latency is exactly the same for me on hsdpa or dc-hsdpa between 50-100ms

the intitial bad latency on speed tests is due to coming out of idle at the start of the test

if i sat there pinging an ip it would average around 70ms

Here's my S3 LTE on DC-HSDPA
[Galaxy Note II General] Chivalryyyy:
walked away from 1 in my local orange shop today as they only had the white,, i wanted titanium,,,

The offer was as i have stated in other posts... £450 for the handset on ORANGE payg.... with a mandatory £10 top up.....

would of had that today if i could stomach the white... which i cant.... so a wait till titanium stock comes in :0(

If you STILL dont believe me... just go look on the orange website..... thewy have it listed there for sale on PAYG for 499 although titanium out of stock there too....) factor in £30 quidco or topcashback and its £470 online.. :)
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
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[Galaxy Note II General] BarryH_GEG:
There can never be an "LTE" standard because of all the bands in use worldwide. A "standard" in the UK is worthless anywhere else. HSPA will continue to be the "roaming" standard until a single LTE radio is capable of supporting this laundry list of bands. The Galaxy Note 10 will be out by then.
[Galaxy Note II General] keith2065:
Three's customer service folk don't have a single bloody clue between them. I was told the exact same bull**** about their Note 2 being 4G compatible. I ended up taking the N7105 with t-mobile, but I'm sending it back because t-mobile simply don't compare to Three in my area. I don't know what to do now! I want the N7105 with Three, preferably without ever having to speak with a Three rep ever again.
[Galaxy Note II General] andy a:
I can assure you that Phones 4 U sell the LTE handset only at £459 FACT!!!
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Are you referring to the post by Gwelmor ?

I pretty much came to the conclusion the Guy was saying £999 & no cheaper was posting that as a kind of "spoof" post to justify what he is selling them on for.

Its quite a common thing, he only posted once on XDA & there's been an add running on Birmingham Gumtree saying the same, ie that they are £999 & he can sell you one for alot less.

Here's the add its possibly the same person..

http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/b...-may-swap-for-iphone-5-or-simalier/1003982171
[Galaxy Note II General] Tomo1971:
Now there's the thing. ..Three and tmobile share most the sites and the antenna on the sites and as they run from the same frequency then coverage should be the same or at least very similar.

Sent from my Samsung Note II.
[Galaxy Note II General] jonnybruce:
Well I have just got the 7105 on EE in london and am getting 20mbps here.

Well worth the money.

Only problem I've got is the are no custom roms being created for this phone yet. :(
[Galaxy Note II General] andy a:
Hi mate

Yes I am referring to his post as he is talking nonsense, I was in a Phones 4 U shop the other day talking to the Manageress and she confirmed that the note 2 7100 or 7105 are both available to buy at £459 the 7105 is locked to t mobile so it would need unlocking I will be getting one from there in the next couple of weeks :)

Andy
[Galaxy Note II General] nyda83:
not true!!! I went in 7 phone4u shops and all want to sell me the lte version for £499+£10 top up :rolleyes:

they tell you that it costs 459 but when you go to pay they scan the box and appears that it costs 510...try to buy it if you don't believe me
[Galaxy Note II General] artnada:
I refer the honourable person tho THIS thread about unlocking your N7105 nice n easy for FREE ;)
[Galaxy Note II General] andy a:
Well I will keep you posted as I will probably be going in there to get mine this week so my wife can wrap it for me and after telling me it is £459 I will not be impressed if it is dearer and I bet you even if it is dearer I will get it at the price she quoted me, I am persuasive :)

( probably shot myself in the foot there ) Anyway I will keep you posted on how I get on.

Andy
[Galaxy Note II General] nyda83:
If you can take it at that price I ask you to take ones also for me :D

I talked with them for 20 minutes in every shops but no way to have it at 459 :(
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Guys, people on this forum did pay £459 for it when it was first in p4u but i think the stores had made a pricing error with it selling at N7100 price & soon after the reports of it at £499+10 started surfacing & that's is now the case.

But, everything is negotiable & Orange sell it for same price so that's where i would start with my haggling.
[Galaxy Note II General] andy a:
I will mate :) the thing is she quoted me £459 and if she doesn't do it at that price i won't buy it and I bet you she will relent I am a salesman and there is always something the seller can do to make the deal happen I will keep you posted but I will get it at that price I can feel it :) She won't let me walk out of the shop without a sale :)

Andy
[Galaxy Note II General] ste1164:
Sorry if this has been said I didnt see it. But does the N7100 have DC-HSPA? Not too bothered about LTE personally but I was curious. Ok I completely missed it on the OP my bad D:
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
So I have the Note 2 7100, got it from 3 direct, before I brought it 3 sales told me that the model was LTE enabled, I knew it was wrong as I've read so much about it.

Now I rang up 3 CS today to ask when they were launching DC-HSPA+ in my area to be told it wasn't coming out, asked the guy again if my phone will support it, he said that my phone will support LTE as per there info. Got him to notepad it down as the more info I have the better for me even DC-HSPA+ is out!

3 haven't a clue what they are talking about!
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Get email confirmation they sold you a Note2 that will work on UK LTE & support DCHSPA+ then you can prove you were misinformed about the product & maybe they will swap it for a N7105 that actually does do those things.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
That's a good point, I will see if I can get them to send me that. Thing is they don't sell a 7105, don't know when they will, but if I get it in stone now then I should be ok.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
I'd not be put off by them not stocking the LTE model if they came up with that excuse i'd suggest that that is their problem, not mine.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
A very valid point :thumbup:
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
So it appears three have a blog http://blog.three.co.uk/2012/11/15/the-roll-out-of-ultrafast-on-three/#comments there are lots of questions going around and the mods are answering them, which is great. It appears 3 aren't selling DC-HSDPA devices until they roll out LTE next year!!
[Galaxy Note II General] sleebus.jones:
Yep. That's exactly why I went with the 7100 vs 7105. When the phone is on H+, stuff loads as fast as it does on my home broadband, maybe faster. Seriously, how fast does one need to go? I don't use my phone for multi-gig downloads.

I'd rather be pretty dang fast everywhere, rather than super fast in one spot. :good:
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
I get fantastic performance on H+ on my old Note as well, i get that indoors at home which is great.

But i don't get your statement "dang fast everywhere, rather than super fast in one spot" ....... a 7105 wouldn't be just super fast in one spot, it would be exactly as fast as a 7100 everywhere with the added bonus of DC H+ where it picks it up which is twice as fast as H+ & that's excluding the 4G side of it.

Also, regarding LTE compatibility .... a UK LTE phone has 4G that will work in a few other countries where as a 7100 has no 4G compatibility in any country.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
So after ringing up 3 customer services this week several times, I've spoke to several advisors, all of them stating the 7100 model is 4G compatible as Samsung have provided them with information.

I decided that I wanted some concrete information, as taking someone's word is not enough. So I spoke to a manager who ensured me that there is only one model out and it is LTE enabled, as I know there isn't I asked for it to be looked into.

The manger rang me back stating that Technical Support had confirmed the model 3 ship is LTE enabled, but 3 do not offer LTE yet but when they do it will work.

I asked for written confirmation by letter or email but unfortunately the manager couldn't do that, though he stated I would be fine as he note padded my account.

So after speaking to a moderator on 3's blog about this, they say totally the opposite! I'm just glad I have it on my account so when LTE does launch on 3 I can get the LTE model for free!!

Anyone on 3 should do what I have done!
[Galaxy Note II General] ronj1986:
But what if he didn't really notate your account?
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Then there all hell will break loose!!
[Galaxy Note II General] vash_h:
Get a call recorder, call them again and record the conversation. It's as good as black and white.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Written on paper or in electronic method that is destined for your reading is one thing but recording conversations that is to be listened to by third parties as evidence etc can be very precarious ... laws also differ geographically, check carfully before doing it if you intend to broadcast it/play it to others.

(Evidence is useless if you can't display it)

There's some info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
I won't be recording the conversation, as it is as I understand illegal to do so without informing the other person beforehand.

I'm going to try again to get it in black and white, that way I know when 3 launch LTE I will be able to get the N7105 pretty swiftly without much hassle, I hope :D
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
My concerns would be the longer you leave it the more they can say "well you've had it so long & the difference in value is too much for a free LTE upgrade" anyway they only need to google N7105 & its obvious that's the LTE version.
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Well they don't have the N7105 model obviously, so I just want it confirmed.

Evey time I have spoken to them they point me to gsmarena, which only shows the N7100 they say, yet I have pointed out to them that on the 3rd line down where it references to LTE it states N7105 model. There answer is that Samsung have given the information to them.
[Galaxy Note II General] ste1164:
Are you guys not bothered with software updates/custom roms with this phone? I would really want a N7105 but there aren't many roms & software updates could be delayed if EE need to approve them.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
TBH i see the 7100's custom rom availability as low priority, my intrests are :

dual sim (N7102)

or

DC HSPA+ data speed compatibility (N7105)

Neither of those are achievable by flashing roms to a 7100

The 7102 dual sim has to be messed about with to use outside china & has no DC HSPA+ so it ends up for me, a N7105 running a Gmate for DC HSPA+ on my unlimited data sim & 2G on my second sim for text & calls.

I do root my phones for setting them up my way but i find stock roms fine.
[Galaxy Note II General] ste1164:
That is true I was just curious about updates for them.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Yes, i will most likely lag behind on updates but again it just depends on how much of a priority that is, they are rarely giant leaps & sometimes they are terrible :D
[Galaxy Note II General] ashgiles85:
If a n7100 (which i have brought for £550 at carphonewarehouse) can reach 15meg on hspca or whatever it is thats god damn near perfect why would you want to wait 2 years for 4g just to get 5 more meg ? it really wont make that much difference unless your downloading HUGE files which your probably do at home anyways ? and even if you do download a huge file its probably a one off ? Also England is behind on 4g to the rest of the world it will be ages till we get it country wide something i was prepared to wait for as many have said the note 3 will be out by then with a 3gig cpu and 4 ghz of ram and 4g standard i expect. so your going to want to swap out in 2 years no doubt about it.

If you have a n7100 i wouldnt worry hspca at 15 down is plenty too much infact for most.

if you dont have one yet and are comparing then go for the 4g why not wouldnt hurt ? whats the discussion really everyone picks what they want its personal.

3 and giffgaff are the only 2 unlimited data plans 3 in my area (wiltshire) sucks so im with giffgaff and i get 3 - 4 down and can watch youtube in 720p so thats plenty for me if i need to download something huge i have 100meg virgin at home ?

Thats my 2cents anyways :)
[Galaxy Note II General] maverick1103:
Well thank you for your 2cents, I see what you are saying @ashgiles85 I am not fussed about LTE its DC-HSDPA I am after, which my N7100 does not support, only the N7105 offers this. I have been told by more than half a dozen 3 advisors including a manager that my phone will support LTE and DC-HSPDA.

3 are stating DC-HSPDA will be available for 80% of UK customers come April 2013, my area is covered so I would like to be able to get faster speeds when I am out and about, I do have Virgin Media at home but if I have something I do like to get the most out of it.

Just my 2cents :)
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
Edit .... gmate verification

Units not verifying due to geographical restrictions can now be brought into service on rooted phones.

For info PM me please.
[Galaxy Note II General] DjeMBeY:
3UK DC-HSPA+ FTW :D
[Galaxy Note II General] keirmccann:
Bought n7000 note 2 for 459 from phones for you last week. N7105 was clearly 569 on the shelf or near enough.

ee is a load of garbage anyway I get over 10mb in most places on 3 and have 110mb broadband at home, just seems a tad silly to me the speeds I get now are more than enough
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
There your getting 24.62mbps.

Well that contrasts seriously with this statement....

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I assume you meant "N7100" ... Orange & Phones4U were doing the N7105 for under £500 payg so you are widening the true price gap there.

I fully agree that EE's 4G is overpriced rubbish. But the 7105 is going to be an attractive secondhand phone as it has all the LTE bands & should have about the same price gap at resale.

So with no difference financially the 7105 is a better bet because it has potential for speed as networks get faster.