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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwahchees:
My reasoning for this is that the Nexus phones were never a real product line till now. You can see that Google has taken apples philosophy non devices and applied it to their nexus line. Anyways, the galaxy Nexus my friend has doesn't look bad at all. But I've never used it. I say give Google a chance. I think they might have hit the sweet spot this time around.

-regards, j.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DonDizzurp:
wow that was the longest complaint ive ever seen...

skimmed through it, looks just like every other crappy thread crying about something

ah well.

im gonna get a nexus 4 and its gonna be an amazing device :) sucks to be you haters with your old and expensive phones ;)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] woody296:
Actually mine was free and that's less than $300-$350 which makes the 4 more expensive, and until the 4 is actually released my phone ain't old. I've never seen a release date pushed back b4, right? Sounds like you might be doing the hatin.:p
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mke1973:
I'll be upgrading my smartphone late this year or early next year. I prefer to own an unlocked phone and can't justify a huge chunk of my household tech budget to buy an extremely expensive phone. I've got two phones on my short list--the Nexus 4 and the Huawei Honor 2. (I have a Huawei now and am extremely happy with it; the House Report on the company, so loose with accusations and short on facts, doesn't scare me off.) I'll not make my purchase until I've had a chance to read real user reviews of both phones, especially the Nexus with a "fully-cooked" version of Android 4.2. The Huawei Honor 2 is also a quadcore--granted it's using Huawei's K3V2 quad-core 1.4 GHz processor, but it's gotten good benchmark scores; the second batch phones coming out on the 17th will have the option of 2GB of RAM; it has a 4.5″ LCD IPS screen with HD resolution; it has an 8 megapixel rear camera and a 1.2 megapixel front camera; it's got a micro SD card slot and a removable battery; it is running ICS, not JellyBean or 4.2. The release price in China is $300. It's not clear when Huawei will release the phone internationally, the international version will be slightly higher. I would prefer to buy from a US importer rather than ordering from Hong Kong. If the Nexus 4 gets good real world reviews, that may tip my hand toward the Nexus if US importers haven't lined up the Honor 2 for import to the US. LTE isn't a feature I care about since I retired to an non-urban area that has no LTE. WIFI radio performance is important--I use free hotspots when I head into the nearby town and use my home WIFI network, especially for free VOIP calls. I do wish Google would drop their resistance to internal SD slots--their rationale is nonsense and an insult to consumer intelligence. They may be betting on increased revenue from cloud storage; however, cellular carrier data caps and increasing cost tiers will probably dampen many cellular data users love of cloud streaming.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nebucatnetzer:
I had exactly the opposite experience.

I had a Nexus S and the decided to buy the S2 because the specs were so awesome.

But it never felt right. Always a little bit out of place.

The AOSP ROMs ( I don't like Touchwiz too much bloat) were buggy because Sammy was to lazy to release all the sources, documentations and binaries.

When I got the Galaxy Nexus it was like coming home. It just felt right.

And it still works great and the development has been awesome so far.

Since the I had a Nexus I look at phones like I look at PCs.

I tell it what to do when and where I want.

It's my right because it's my phone.

I don't loose my warranty on my PC when I install Linux and I don't get why I should loose it on my phone just because I flashed SlimROMs.

The only thing I occasionally miss from the S2 is the camera.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barmanham:
I'd keep my s3 if it weren't pentile never again pentile and if it wasn't build like a plastic TV remote control that creaks other then that its a great phone and I to am afraid of poor build quality on the nexus line
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XxStatiX:
I know that feeling,bro.

Take care :p

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lowrider262:
I've been thinking the same thing... as awesome as the gnex was, it was kind of a let down. I'm still gonna order the N4 no doubt though, if it isn't so great I'm just gonna sell or trade for a GS3. Problem solved:D
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abe in space:
Part of me gets the Mayan calendar thing. I mean, the first time I got an SI swimsuit calendar as a kid, and realized there were only 12 pictures in it, I felt a little bit like the world was going to end.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XxStatiX:
Hahahhaa :p

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Umi_R98:
Nexus One owners rejoice you now have a worthy successor! 4x core, 4x more RAM, high build quality, stunning good looks. As for me.. My contract is almost up, so its either buy a new battery for my Nexus S or get a Nexus 4. btw I still love my Nexus S
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nospin:
There is nothing worth saying about reviews judging a phone on prerelease software. Period.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ynrozturk:
First off I hope this post doesn't anger or offend anyone.

In my opinion, I find it really weird when people upgrade their phones all the time. Someone coming to the Nexus 4 from say, a Galaxy S3 just seems flat out retarded to me. Or the Galaxy Nexus. I mean, why bother? Who cares if it has 1Gb of RAM more than your old smartphone?

I'll be coming to the Nexus 4 from my Galaxy S i9000 - I've been using this thing for 2 years now, and it still does the job. In a lot of ways, I can't really justify getting a Nexus 4 because everything on my S still works just fine.

I understand it's not "pure Google" but who gives a ****? Really I mean? No one cares. If your current phone does everything you need it to do (I'm sure all S3's and Galaxy Nexus' do this just fine) then what's the point of upgrading? That to me yeah, is no different than someone upgrading from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 4S - which is basically the same thing with an S sticker on the back and some stupid Siri application.

If people keep buying every new piece of hardware just because it has a certain label on it, sooner or later we'll be no different than all those people buying an iPad Mini - just because it's an Apple product. Who cares if it has horrible specs, it's an Apple product.

I just don't want the same thing to happen with Google devices.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XxStatiX:
You have a point.

Everyone's selling their S3 :p
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bdithug:
I agree. I'm coming from my captivate which is over 2 years old. Camera quality is not the greatest, and in order to use jellybean on it, I have to settle with bugs, decent battery life at best, smaller screen, poor speakerphone quality, etc.. I was planning on upgrading my phone soon even before the n4 was announced. If I had an siii, you can be sure I would not be selling it if it fixed all my issues with my captivate.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mazdarati2:
what about he GPU?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] woody296:
You did better than me, i never made it past June or July before, well, you know........:silly:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
You have a valid point, however for many people it's a sort of hobby (at least for me it is). I worked hard in my life to get to the point where I have the money to do the things I enjoy - whether it's testing new electronics that catch my interest or buying the latest video game (Black Ops 2 on Monday!) because I enjoy experiencing every step up as technology continues to evolve. Hell I just upgraded my TV to an LG 55" 3D and let me tell you watching movies has never been better.

I've always wanted a pure Android phone however the Galaxy Nexus just didn't have what I was looking for. It was sub-par IMO and I am hoping that this won't be the case with the Nexus 4.

So for me, it's not as "weird" that I upgrade my phones every 3-4 months because I have the money to do it. Plus I pass down my previous "upgrade" to my wife/daughter so every time my phone gets better, so does theirs.

If the Nexus 4 does the job for a year or two until the next Google phone with 3GB of RAM and a flexible/holographic screen comes out, great! But whatever the next step in phone tech is, I'm there. I'm going to get it. And if that means buying a pair of Google Glasses to sync with my Nexus phone/tablet after they perfect those, so be it.

Now if you're eating Top Ramen and your daughter has holes in her shoes because you want a new phone, then yeah that's pretty sad. But for me, this is the new engine in my 55 Chevy, or the new box of Cuban cigars for my collection.. it's my hobby, and I'll be damned if I'm going to take any **** for it :good:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ynrozturk:
I stopped reading at Black Ops 2.

Just kidding. And like I said I meant no offense, I was just stating my opinion. It just bugs me sometimes how ungrateful and wasteful we can be. Buying stuff we don't really need just because we can - I hate that culture.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ingenious247:
I buy it because I want to. Not because "I can".

I can buy a lot of things, so if that was my philosophy I would need 10 acres just to store the crap I'd own. Besides.. does ANYONE really "need" a smart phone? Of course you can make arguments about "yes I need to check my work email" blah blah blah but I see people in their 50's that still do outside sales without even having a cell phone. And they do just fine.

Aside from that - as for me I'm not ungrateful, not in the slightest. I appreciate the things I buy so much that I take care of them as if they were made of glass ;)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] estallings15:
Well, that's good because the N4 is made of glass. :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NeverAlwaysEver:
AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH..... I must get my nexus machines :P
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fedburin:
Samsung has had its moments too...

I had the Vibrant and was forced to take it apart just to get the GPS working - barely working. Samsung promised updates that never came or in the case of 2.2 came way too late. The phone heated, randomly rebooted, was glitchy and slow. While I realize that the new S3 is completely different phone it is really hard for me to ever recommend any Samsung phone over the N4. I currently have the HTC One S. It is a decent phone; however, my wife's G2 died and I will be getting an N4 as a replacement. I am going with the N4 mainly so I don't have to wait on carrier updates and I can own the phone outright. I am still waiting for a carrier based JB update on the HTC One S.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] juanv145:
Honestly, its not the brand necessarily I want, its the dev community. I've never owned a nexus phone, but I would always peek in their forums once in a while and be astounded the amount of roms and mods in comparison to mine. My name is Juan, and I'm a flashaholic.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] estallings15:
This.

Bring on that dev support. I have a myTouch 4G and, unbelievably, dev support is still moving on a 2 yr old t-mobile device. We have CM10 compiled from source, as well as a CM10 port, PACman, AOKP, AOSPx, PA, MIUI, every Sense variant known to man, you name it. I gotsta have me some awesome developer support on my next device.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shaquiel Harris:
I definitely wouldn't buy the GS iii over the nexus 4. I still prefer the gnex over my current s iii. I hate this damn gs iii.. build quality sucks,mic and ear speaker too low.. damn touchwiz.. etc. If I didn't lose my gnex, I wouldn't have never had this nightmare. Only thing that justifies it is that it was free. Not being a fanboy, just I didn't have s single issue with my gnex at all.

Reason why I'm getting this nexus Is because I want to help the cause. Buying a device like this will hopefully stop these ridiculous prices on these devices and stop all these contracts. I've been using android since the HTC dream and I've been rooting every device I've owned since, which has been quite a few (HTC dream, my touch 3g slide, my touch 4g, HTC g2, htc sensation (another nightmare), gnex,HTC transformer, nexus 7, gs3, future nx4).

Having the latest version of Google, directly from Google, without the need to HAVE to root, is worth the money to me. Now will I root? Of course, but at least I know for the next year or two I'll be supported by google, not blown off in a few months by a carrier, and my device will have life for a while, with or without root. Besides, with the release of jellybean and project butter, specs aren't an absolute must for speed and all that anymore to me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Testraindrop:
:laugh: GS3 better than the N4? In what way? Ok the screen size is a bit bigger, this was it.

I wouldn't buy the GS3 ever, it just feels crappy cheap in your hand.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arknailed7754:
I've got this bug. I got the one x again I'm still liking it. The only downfall is it can't run aosp with a decent camera..the n4 looks good but spec wise its not outdoing the x..

The only way it wins is 2gb ram and pure android...

Still deciding!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zolah:
Someone posted about Lg purposely dumbing down the N4 to make the Optimus G have the edge in the market... Seriously???

LG work on the N4 in Google HQ side by side with the Android geeks.

Google know exactly what is going into their phones and what isnt.

If there is build / software issues with nexus devices Google are more to blame than LG if you ask me.

Do you think They said "Hey LG make us our next Nexus phone and just send us a preview model when your done cheers".... No.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kindiboy:
TL;DR the whole thing...

But from what I got I don't have to sound logical or I don't have to proof why this is the best phone there is or any other phone. What I know is, it's non of anyones business to tell me what I should buy or what I should believe in, I believe in the Nexus program am gonna stick to it. I believe Apple is the most devious money sucking company, am I obligated to tell everyone why!? No. iSheeps will be iSheeps, Fandroids will be Fandroids. Deal with it.

You want to know for yourself, try it for yourself. Most reviewers don't even have a clue why the Nexus program is different and shouldn't be judged by what's around because it's trying to change the market. They are simply clueless.

Those people know what the Nexus program is

Listen .... Myriam Joire http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/07/engadget-mobile-podcast-157-11-07-2012/

Read ... JR Raphael http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9233345/Google_Nexus_4_deep_dive_review_Android_at_its_best

Listen... Brian Klug http://www.anandtech.com/show/6438/the-anandtech-podcast-episode-9
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slannmage:
The phone has plenty of weaknesses..

- Software buttons take up a lot of the screen

- No LTE

- Only 16GB of storage

- No Micro SD

- Poor camera

- Poor speakers

- Poor video recording with a real poor sound quality, noise cancellation doesn't seem to be working lol.

- That CPU seems to be getting too hot and throttled

- Poor battery life

- Glass back

etc etc.

The only reason this phone is interesting is the low price, if it was £500 like all the rest then 90% of people wouldn't care.

I personally am interest for this low price and I can overlook all the bad points for it and LTE in the UK is crap right now so that doesn't bother me, however it is a down point for a lot of people in the US or whatever. The only thing that kills the device is only 16GB of storage, I need more and so it doesn't matter that the phone is cheap, it instantly makes the phone useless for my use and I might as well stick with my GS2 until my upgrade next year.

If however they release a 32GB model and it is cheap, then I'll buy one and then just sell my upgrade when I get it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deonix:
Hmm, nicely put. In my opinion some things have changed:

1. LG made the phone.

2. It has top of the class specs.

3. Much better design and build quality.

4. Some reviews claim it to be the smoothest Android experience to date.

5. Samsung Galaxy "S4" is 8 months away from us so we can't tell how better it will be.

6. Big difference. When Galaxy Nexus came out it had medium specs/quality and lots of complaints.

7. Nexus 4 edges $500+ phones like SGS3, One X+, LG Optimus G.

8. Biggest complaints that somehow eclipse the monster specs and looks are: No LTE, No bigger storage options. The first falls even greater if you don't have/need LTE.

9. Back Glass> bad... plastic back>.. bad, some just don't know what they want. They made the Samsung GS3 look like cheap plastic (overrated IMO) and no ... shockingly, glass is no good. I find it ok, put protective covers on both sides and you will be more than happy..

10. Wait for new reviews!

Some things i saw after reading so many Nexus 4 reviews:

1. Don't believe most of them. Some say it loud some say it quiet : "We got a pre release version". < Big factor! It has the same specs as the LG Optimus G and somehow it fells short ( Looking at Quadrant, it fells short in the video department).

2. I know some sites are very biased. Like making tones of Apple/iPad and Windows 8 reviews and making Nexus 4/10 look like Nokia 1100.

3. As Anandtech reported after getting a near finished (or finished) Nexus 4 ( in the drivers/software department) it tops even the LG optimus G in graphics.

4. Idiot users here make it look cheap... but it's the best looking Android device i seen in my life (and i know them all), toping the One X IMO.

5. And i say idiots knowing it's right: So it has $500-600 specs but it's no good. Bad camera?... it's ok, Not Nokia Pureview but OK. Bad battery life? The review sites got pre-release versions and all came out with different stats...

CPU seems to be getting throttled? Come on... i did not read that anywhere. If my single core 1Ghz Moto Defy doesn't get throttled while using Android CM 4.1.2 i don't see how in the world this ca get...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ROCKSTAR XS:
1. Software buttons take up 3.75% of the heighth

2. Not everyone has lte and it would make the phone cost more and kill the battery faster.

3. 16gb is enough for the average user even the flashaholic. ( no need for 10 different backups)

4. Micro sd cards can be a pain and are annoying.

5,6,7,8,9. Based off the n4 you've used and tested?

10. That's the equivalent to saying it has a glass front.

But like you said certain things make or break it for people. If its not your cup of tea then don't drink it, and certainly don't complain about it til you drink it first.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ViViDboarder:
The reviews I've read don't mention "Poor camera, video, etc..." What I've read is that they are just par. They aren't mind-blowing or anything. To be honest, I don't use my camera that much. LTE? I don't really care about it. It's fast (very fast), but HSDPA+ is pretty damn fast too and much lighter on my battery. I never had/needed more than 16GB of storage as I use Plex and Google Music. CPU, again never heard a review mentioning that as an issue. Poor battery? I saw good reviews on battery. Finally Glass back isn't a negative to me. Many people use cases on their phones anyway. I don't. Glass has a very solid feel and does not impact signal quality. Don't throw your phone around and you won't have any problems. And, as said before, you're just as likely to break your glass front. A broken glass back would just be cosmetic. A dropped phone with a metal or plastic back can crack or get deep scratches as well. Nothing is damage proof.

Now... To the OP's question.

Currently I have an HTC One S. It's a fantastic phone. There are only a couple reasons I want to upgrade to the Nexus 4 and they are quite specific.

NFC: I'm a nerd and dev and really want to play with it

Display: Not pentile

Not MHL: I hate MHL because I need to plug in power

Not much, but here are the two kickers:

Pure Google: My HTC One S is running CM10 and battling HTC is a huge pain. I want a painless experience and timely updates

Price: The only way I can justify upgrading for such a small set of features is that it's roughly the same cost as I can get selling my current phone

If any of these points were missing, I probably would not be buying. But it happens to be reasonably priced for what I want. That said, I wouldn't recommend upgrading to just about anyone with an HTC One X/S, SGSIII, or any other top of the line phone. It's just not a big jump. But look at it from someone who bought their Google Phone 2 years ago or even last year? Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus? This is a pretty good bump, especially for the price!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davidstech11:
No difference than the iPhone 5 coming out the box scuffed and marked. It's happens. I must be lucky because I had the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 and each worked great.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Venekor:
I'm not saying the phone isn't for any one, I'm simply pointing out the weak areas of the phone. LTE is a big issue for some people, lack of storage is a big issue, you cannot tell people they're wrong and the only way to let Google know is to come onto forums and give feedback. If you're happy with the phone then great but you cannot say the phone wouldn't be better with more storage space and LTE for future proofing and better mics for the the video recording etc etc.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wngmv:
Hold there one second. I don't have a problem with you thinking LTE, sd card are problems.

But, nobody said you are wrong. Whether the lack of LTE and micro-sd card are deal breakers is up to each individual. And Google does not have an obligation to come to XDA and make a phone that satisfies each and every XDA-er. In fact, it's impossible. It's Google's product, so it's up to the Android team to decide what to put in the phone and what not to. XDA-ers, even though are awesome, are consumers eventually, to consume is what we do.

Would it be awesome to have LTE and more storage, of course. But if that makes the phone $500 instead of $350 do I want it? No thank you very much. If Google had to cut corners to sell N4 at $350, I'm very happy with the decision.

Finally, I don't think we are holding very different opinions.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deonix:
And moreover, Software buttons size can be adjusted so they can take 2-3-4-5% if that works for your fingers.

I have the option on my CMX 4.1.2. Disable the hardware buttons and enable on screen> set size. Although on 3,7 inch screen i don't use software buttons because i have little space, i can easily see this be ported to the Nexus 4. So it's even better. And don't forget that the screen of the Nexus 4 is 4,7 so it's just a little bigger than the Galaxy Nexus (4.65), making it better for on screen buttons. If that's the concern.

I see LTE like this: USA has the biggest LTE network where you can use it actually. From the whole smartphone users, substract the ones that don't like/want the Nexus 4 for different considerations, the ones own a iPhone/WP7&8/ Android-don't want a upgrade, are on a contract and don't buy a new phone right now. In Europe LTE is just rolling, in Asia it's kinda the same.. so it just does not cut it. The ones remaining hanging are a percent of americans. So overall not putting LTE was a better idea for the product cost and public needs. Maybe they will make a LTE version in the future.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cpaixao:
I dont want to make a double thread, so pls check this thread out http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1982209