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[Windows Phone 8 General] slannmage:
I'm waiting for whatever Nokia does next as the 920 is too far along at this point and the specs were dated when it even came out so...

I'd rather Android because Windows Phone 8 isn't picking up any traction, however I'm not a major app person, I just hope as Flash is coming to Windows 8 RT then maybe they'll bring it to Windows Phone 8?
[Windows Phone 8 General] angler:
I agree to this statement. There are choices of decent Android applications. I did not notice any lag in Samsung Galaxy S3.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dadstar:
I forgot I created this thread. I went with the 8X, and boy is it amazing! Thanks for all the feedback though, I really appreciate it.
[Windows Phone 8 General] bosas200:
i want go for 8S. From Desire HD. Is it worth it? how is software support for 8s?
[Windows Phone 8 General] theguitarman94:
You do realise the 8s is smaller than the Desire HD? I think it depends really, It's not great. No instagram, sub par apps meaning there are hardly any settings for the apps. The facebook app is so simple it's laughable, the twitter app is also the same. I assume you may be going for the 8s because you are on a tight budget, am I correct? I think if you are on a tight budget then a windows phone is a good choice. The 8x is fantastic value for money I sold my perfect condition 8x for £215 on ebay which is rubbish for me but good for the buyer I think for that money it's great but if you can afford a nexus 4 I'd get a nexus 4.
[Windows Phone 8 General] jerrya:
Aw yea! I cant believe how much better this bad boy is compared to my old Thunderbolt. This thing ran faster and smoother than my TB on its best day, the first day I got it!

Now, you may find a lot of forums where they 8X and WP8 is getting nothing but bashed, so to spread a little of the love back, I have started (although not alot have replied) a 'no haters thread' here. Just to give some love back the they whole ecosystem:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=38921734

Check it out and post what you want, as long as its not bashing!

Welcome to the 8X world! Hope you enjoy! I am on 4 months, and still loving it!

My name is Jerry, and this is my Windows phone!

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Just one mans opinion:

Not sure about size difference. As for software, there is an app disparity between WP8 and the others, but its not as bad as everyone makes it seem to be. No app is perfect, let me put that out there first. I actually enjoy the facebook app that is part of your 'People' hub. It makes staying in contact stupid easy. If you don't want simple, download any of the available apps for Facebook. they will keep things difficult compared to the stock People hub.

I don't twitter, or instagram, or any of the other social options out there, but from what I am hearing, the apps available, although not perfect (see prior statement) they do seem to get the job done.

As for difference in OS's, its night and day. One is alive and vibrant (WP8), while one is more static, dead (Android, iOS)

See if you can take one for a test drive, a week or two, just to see what you think yourself. Everyone is different and so what some may say is awful, actually works for you. Take it from me, all I heard was how bad the WP8 platform was, with the occasional good posts. It wasn't until I actually got one in my hands and played with it for several hours that I realized this platform and ecosystem works for me, better than any android I have had, and even my wife, the Apple fan girl admits, its a pretty good phone.

Everyone has an opinion, but don't let it sway you until you get some hands on time with the phone.

My name is Jerry, and this is my Windows phone!
[Windows Phone 8 General] forelli:
Android is static, dead?

Get your facts right: try to compare Android and wp8 software support: developers and ROMs abundance in Android, desert in wp8.

Former owner of:

Samsung Omnia, HTC Diamond, Blackstone, Leo, Titan, among many others...
[Windows Phone 8 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
I still read this forum from time to time, and android being static is one of the funniest statements that I've heard in a long while.

Android has more widgets, customizations and custom rom's than one can shake a stick at.

In my short time with an 8x, I felt this exact way about WP8. Other than the live tiles that flip some different images and info, WP8 felt dead and static to me. Really dry and boring.

Just my opinion but I'm so glad that I'm back on android. It would take a lot to get me back to WP.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
I think that by static he was referring to your start screen which is pretty static compared to what windows phone offers. Widgets are nowhere near as informative as live tiles(if tiles are used properly) and if the developer is smart enough, he can even make tiles to control various elements of the application(just like a widget would do).

And don't start the custom ROM all over again, Android needs custom roms if you want to have a usable phone, whereas Windows Phone does everything they tell you out of the box without the need to void your warranty.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Nicolfa:
Apps are the weak point for the os, having been a WP user for 2 years. I tether to an android tablet so I get both worlds nicely meshed together.

Sent from Lumia 810 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
[Windows Phone 8 General] jerrya:
Everyone always telling me to get my facts straight. And as usuall, my standard response "RTFP!"

stat·ic [ státtik ] 1.motionless: not moving or changing, or fixed in position 2.of forces not causing movement: relating to forces, weight, or pressures that act without causing movement 3.involving statics: relating to, involving, or characteristic of statics

without widgets, android screen is static. You can argue that with me all day, but in the end, WITHOUT widgets, android screen is static. Just like iOS.

And to the facts, I am not arguing with you on this, RTFP! I said "there is an app disparity between WP8 and the others" So where am I not getting my facts straight? I am agreeing with you.

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Yes, android has more widgets, customization, etc. I have no argument there. I am just saying I don't need widgets, and its a breath of fresh air not trying to customize my phone all the time. Good lord I was changing it DAILY when I was on android.

And I have to admit custom ROMS were nice. But looking back, it was always to improve my phone, because something wasn't working with the last ROM. With my windows phone, I don't have to worry abou that anymore!

And to the static thing, according to definition, it is static. Without widgets. But I am sure we could go back and forth on this, its all semantics anyway.

Oh, for those who don't know, RTFP means Read The Fing Post.
[Windows Phone 8 General] contributor_M:
As a WP8 user, I would advise you not get a WP8. The ecosystem is still young and I would suggest you hold off until Windows Phones have matured and is brought up to the same standard as it's competitors IOS and Android. Although some of the phones, especially the Nokia like looks fantastic, the ecosystem is really what's holding those phones, as well as others back from reaching their full potential.

Of course you can do whatever you want to do. I'm just trying to avoid you feeling a bit of buyers remorse in the future.
[Windows Phone 8 General] theguitarman94:
Now this is a sensible bit of advice :)
[Windows Phone 8 General] o2neouzr:
its simple,if you want an OS that will be stuck on the small screen with primitive phone apps forever,go with android.

if you want an OS that's merging with windows 8,the same OS and apps that will run on phone,console,tablet and PC,go with WP.
[Windows Phone 8 General] tanner195:
I went with Windows Phone and then went back to android for 2 reasons 1- the lack of apps and games and how the perform on windows phone. Like the twitter apps and Facebook are not near as nice as on Android or ios

2- the music player on Windows Phone is horrible I'm not sure if they've fixed it by now but I have a lot of music and it'd duplicate it giving me two of the same songs to pick from and one of them wouldn't work it'd just say cannot play that type of file. Also the phone would freeze up for 5 minutes whenever I would select a song.

When wp8 gets that stuff fixed then it will be on par with Android an ios as of right now it's just a little bit behind but it's still a great os if you want something different
[Windows Phone 8 General] jerrya:
Sorry you left, but understand. I haven't had the issue with music doubling up. that would drive me nuts, I am sure. I have over 8G of music on the phone, doubling that up and away goes all my room!

As for apps and games, yes, the market is not up there with Apple or Android, but it will get there, just need to be patient. But I have to disagree wtih you on Facebook (I dont' tweet). The stock is better than anything I have ever had on my android phone. Its stuipd easy to use, looks great, accurate and updates are always spot on. Sending to a group, messaging, everything is just better.

Everyone needs to remember too, though this may be WP8, its actully WP1, since this is the first of a completely new operating system. You cant make the Burj Khalifa in Dubai (worlds tallest building) without starting at the ground floor, or lower depending on how high you want to go. So this is only going to get better. Just gotta hang in there!
[Windows Phone 8 General] sylau90:
Hey Jerry, wake up...

I have been told that WP7 is a baby/WP1 in your case, but now I have been stucked in WP7.5 on my mozart(selling now).

If WP8 is WP1/baby, should the marketplace apps start counting from 0 again?Obviously not,it is a 2 years old OS...further, the Modern UI has been in people memories for 2 years...wake up please...
[Windows Phone 8 General] jerrya:
Everyone here is so app hungry, not realizing that there are built in functionality.

I'm not saying that the apps are lacking, I've never argued that. They are, but why get an app, when the built in works so much better?

And yes, WP7 is the 'first' of the new OS, but WP8 is the first for cross device compatibility. If WP8 wasn't a complete remake.of the code, then it would have been easy to update all phones to 8, instead of 7.5. The WP8 platform is still new, bugs exist. Hell, bugs exist in all OS's, iOS and android as well.

Bashing it and calling it rubbish is just plain shortsightedness.

Sent from my wicked sexy HTC 8X windows phone using Board Express
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
WP8 is not a complete remake of the system.

It just has the hardware requirement of a specific secure boot chip which does not allow it to run on WP7 devices.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mrcrassic:
For starters, I wouldn't consider any phone that isn't running Windows Phone 8. They are entirely different under the hood. (Windows Phone 8 is running a Windows NT kernel, i.e. the same kernel that runs on Windows 8 with heavy modifications. Windows Phone 7 uses Windows CE, which limits the kinds of apps it'll support going forward.) They are also probably unsupported by this point.

Should you switch? It depends. Many of the really popular apps that are available on iOS or Android are also available on Windows Phone. Despite this, the app store is seriously lacking and some alternatives aren't really up to snuff (example: Google Music player).

Google also dropped support for Exchange ActiveSync a while ago for all accounts except those on Google Apps. Consequently, until Windows Phone gets support for CalDAV, you won't be able to get your Google Calendar. (I switched to Outlook.com and Microsoft Live services for email, calendar and contacts; it's better than Google's stuff in my opinion, but it may not be for you.)

ROM development is practically non-existent across all phones, so you can forget third-party customizations to your phone if that's important to you. One used to be able to "jailbreak" their device by interop-unlocking it (if you had a device that supported it), but it didn't add that much value and was a pain in the ass to do.

If these sound like dealbreakers, then hold off on getting one for now. I think Windows OS is an awesome, amazing OS that's fresh and much prettier/easier to use than everything that's currently out there. It's also nice that the OS is mostly stock on all phones; zero bloatware and, in my opinion, zero need to unlock. I really like using it and am excited for what's to come.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
No. Windows phone 8 is not running on an NT kernel YET, this has been confirmed by several microsoft evangelists at various courses about WP8 development and hacking throughout my country. They are making steps towards merging the kernels, but WP8 is not compatible with W8 yet.

I am not sure if the current WP8 devices will even see the NT kernel ever.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mrcrassic:
From Wikipedia:

Is this not true?
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
No it is not true.

They did all the buzzing with this on WP8 release because this is their plan. They will get the kernel merged eventually, but they can't do it yet because:

1) The .Net Micro framework, on which the entire architecture of the OS is built is not compatible with the true NT kernel. Having the big mama of .Net on phones is not a really good idea.

2) The NT kernel is based on x86 architectures, while WP8 runs on snapdragon (ARM) based devices. They intentionally limit all WPs to run on snapdragon because snapdragon is the only ARM chipset which comes close to x86 in terms of performance.

3) The NT kernel has system requirements which far exceed the powers of windows phones, or any mobile phones for that matter.

They are working on porting it, but it will probably happen in WP9 or something.

The CE kernel has nothing to do with apps. It is the system itself which limits the potential of apps, and that will not change even with NT kernel.

As wikipedia kindly suggests, there have been some steps done in that direction with WP8, but we are far from having NT kernel on phones. And secure boot and encryption has nothing to do with NT.

So the challenges they have:

Port .Net mciro framework to NT

Reduces the system requirements of NT enough to match the CE usability.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mrcrassic:
I am still having a hard time believing this. All of the articles regarding Windows Phone 8's kernel architecture explicitly specify that Windows Phone 8 uses a variant of the NT kernel and the NTFS filesystem. I have yet to find anything arguing against this. Do you have proof or a way of me seeing that this is not true?

More sources:

http://j4ni.com/blog/?p=107

http://gizmodo.com/5975567/windows-phone-8-has-the-funniest-error-ever (Error from ntoskrnl bootmgr; exact same error you'd get on a Win 7/8 OS. impossible from a wince platform)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6415/windows-phone-8-and-htc-8x-preview
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
I've been at some courses about WP8 system architecture by microsoft. They said the architecture is moving towards the NT kernel but the unification is not yet done, and will probably taken another 2 to 3 years. Steps have been done towards this goal on WP8.

As a developer, I can confirm this: The UI classes of the phone are completely incompatible with windows 8 RT and I do not speak about the UI design in general, but about the machine code that results after compilation.

There are other incompatibilities around, mostly due to hardware differences: WP8 natively supports BT, for instance, whereas win 8 RT requires drivers.
[Windows Phone 8 General] herzzreh:
I'm with this. I absolutely adore WP8, but the ecosystem did kill it for me. Unfortunately, apps that are important for me were missing and developer of one said they have no plans for WP8. This made me go back to Android and I truly miss WP8's biggest advantage - the battery life. Until I switched back, I didn't hire bad it was on Android. Sure, I can achieve dame consumption with Android, but it involves rooting, different ROM etc. Stock vs stock, WP8 blows Android out of the water.

Either way, I hope WP8 survives, grows and I will certainly revisit it in a year or so.
[Windows Phone 8 General] tonyeltigre:
Sucks to see you made the switch, Windows Phone 8 is a total joke and if Lumia 920's had any value I would sell me and get an android device ASAP (sadly nobody wants them).

There are just too many things this phone can't do, even things that could be done on WP7. I mean ****, MS couldn't even get loading music right, I have duplicates of all my songs on my device that don't exist. Want a custom text tone? MS has a juicy middle finger for you. I hope you don't do any work on your phone because you won't be able to email a pdf to anyone or modify an email message before you forward it.

I wish WP was better, I was happy to adopt it but everyday I carry it I wish I had a phone OS that felt more complete. i just constantly hit brick walls and it is soo frustrating.
[Windows Phone 8 General] galtom:
I actually made a switch from Galaxy S3 to Lumia 920 and I am completely happy with my choice.

No more application crashes, no more waiting for system to decide what it will be doing (like displaying home screen) and to my surprise much better battery life with 3G data and WiFi constantly on.

It simply works!
[Windows Phone 8 General] X0LARIUM:
The fact that WP8 isn't NTKernel is news to me. So MS has been lying through their teeth. Hmmm...I remember very clearly seeing 'NT KERNEL' on the screen behind Belfiore or whoever was presenting.

So if its not NT and not even CE(that's what the old one was called right?), which is this makeshift (again?) Kernel called?

Sent from my Π Σ Χ U S 4.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
It is something in between CE and NT.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StoneOven:
Hey Guys,

I tried to upgrade my KF to Jelly Bean yesterday.

I flashed the KF and the screen of JB with the android logo appeared. But a few seconds later I could neither change the language nor continue with the Setup Wizard.

I can not change the rom, because windows doesnt detect the KF anymore!

Please help me..

Thx in advance

StoneOven
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jlshady00:
Boot into recovery, wipe system, wipe cache, wipe dalvik cache, factory reset, and then re-flash the jb Rom.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StoneOven:
Thx for reply but I got still the same issues :(
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ixthusdan:
Restore from backup. Also verify you have twrp 2.2.2.1 and not 2.3.1 1
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StoneOven:
Okay I tried it once again and now jb works fine.

The problem occurred because of the gapps I want to flash.

After flashing gapps it says once again Google Framework Service stopped..

Do I use an old version of gapps?
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Guitarman:
You don't have to flash Gapps as the entire package: for example, if you just want the Playstore then copy these 3 apks into the system/app folder and set the permissions as others in the folder: Google Account Manager, Google Services Framework, Phonesky.........u can find them in the gapps zip file. Reboot the tablet and they should work
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fahad_ahmad:
m using korean mb 860...

stock 2.3.5 n rooted

i followed this guide http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1302423

i put '' sbf_flash'' file n the other '' intl-fix-try1.sbf '' file in the folder '' motounlock''

aftr going thru RSD step... pulled da battery , reinserted, powerd on cel while holding volume up button ( although i thot i had to hold volume down button but it dint work ) , nw its showin ''starting fastboot protocol'' ...

but in da command after geting into ' motounlock'' directory i type '' fastboot oem unlock'' nothing happens , no code appears even aftr conectin da device....

wot did i do wrong ???

plz help me out...
[LG Optimus 2x] ilooze:
Somebody offered me a nokia lumia 800. Should i accept it? I mean it has 1.5GHz Qualcomm single-core processor and everithing else like the o 2X has exept the 5mp camera. What Do You THink?:D
[LG Optimus 2x] vanmarek:
Lumia has a 1,4Ghz CPU. And it's running WP7.5 :laugh: :laugh:

Lumia 800 has a slightly smaller screen (3.7 inches) than Optimus 2x (4.0 inches).

And where did you read that Optimus 2x has a 5 mp camera?

But honestly, I'd recommend you to stick with O2X, at least until we get a stable CM10 (if you're rooted) or the official ICS update rolls out :)
[LG Optimus 2x] ilooze:
I reffered to the lumia 800 that it has 5megapixel camera not the o2x.....and what is the problem with the 7.5 os? the cpu is fine it is 1.5GHz and it is qualcomm why it is the o2x better? just because it has dualcore....I don't really like it beacause the games are not running in hd like asphalt 7 or nfs most wanted....and yes I have installed cm10 nightly and the phone is much more powerfull and fast smooth etc.....but i want gaming on the phone and I prefer windows phone os han android
[LG Optimus 2x] vanmarek:
It looked as if you meant that the O2x had an 5mp camera, but anyway, who told you the Lumia 800 has an 5mp camera and 1.5Ghz CPU?

Full specs:

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_800-4240.php

As for the gaming, it's pretty much up to you. You're the one supposed to enjoy it so you should decide on that matter ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] ilooze:
ohhhh:laugh: first of all excuse me :)) I readed the specs but i dont know why i wrote there 5mp camera and 1.5ghz sorry really sorry :)) ......So the lumia has 8mp like the o2x better display the pixel density is bigger and it has Nokia ClearBlack display and qualcomm cpu.....I don't think that the lumia 800 is worse than the o2x the differences are the cpu, os and battery...do you think that the lumia is worse than o2x? and thank you for your answers :D
[LG Optimus 2x] grimmyrippy:
windows phone as i read a little in google lumia or windows phone is like apple that doesn't share their codes so this is a locked phone like apple they can't share files via bluetooth with other smartphone brand it's windows to windows only
[LG Optimus 2x] ilooze:
this doesn't matter.....I didn't used the bluetooth so much so this thing will not affect me :D
[LG Optimus 2x] machoman1337:
It's not just the Bluetooth - the complete lack of an accessible file system in WP7.5 (and probably Wp7.8) means that you can't transfer files between a PC and the phone unless the PC has Zune installed (a la iTunes). And if you want to transfer files off the phone to a computer you don't own, and you can't install Zune on it, you're SOL. And if you want to connect the phone by USB to most stereos, the stereo won't be able to read the music files. This is a huge flaw that even BB7 and Symbian lack.

in other words, if you use your phone like a flash drive, avoid both WP and iOS like the plague.

WP8 Apollo addressed this flaw, with full UMS support, so if you're dead set on a Windows Phone, I'd recommend going for a WP8 model.

On a side note, the presence of an accessible file system in WP8 bumped it from a "fat chance" to a "maybe" on my future purchase list. While it's not as open as I'd like, I respect the fact that WP is somewhat "unified" in that OEMs aren't allowed to put awful skins on it, and that the specs are somewhat constant across the board which makes updates easier to optimize for a wide range of devices. If Android were to do this, it'd really be perfect.
[LG Optimus 2x] derealrobert2:
I like lumia but i cant buy because have no money. Or else you gonna gave me free lols. Thanks if there someone gave is.
[LG Optimus 2x] Custom40:
ilooze, ask yourself this; what do I want that the O2X don't have? You know, just don't think of it as a phone LG made, but rather something that the developers on this forum extended to a point that LG isn't needed.

Use common sense and you'll realize that the O2X has pretty much everything you need from a phone.