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[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
no, this is not an apple forum where you have one iOS option a year made by a strict company with a closed-source. this is android.

whether you like it or not, a microSD card is old news and will never happen. google does not and will not use a microSD slot. they got rid of it from the nexus like years ago for a reason.

if it makes you feel better, go sign the petition. do you want me to make a petition regarding LTE? you want me to petition a removable battery? how about i petition a bigger screen size. should i petition switching from LG to HTC?

it takes 3 seconds to write up a bull**** petition but apparently a really long time to realize it means nothing.

i can guarantee you that it will not happen. it hasnt been there for the past 2 nexus phones, why will they bring it in now? did they lose sales because of no sd card? no, because 90% of users are perfectly fine without putting a backup of thier computer HD on their phone. do you think the lack of sdcard would discredit the average user as much as it pains you clowns?

this is googles vision. this is what they want the trend of android to be. something you idiots dont understand is that this is NOT apple. this is NOT an iphone. this is android. you have choices. vanilla android? root and compile a source build. it isnt as hard as it seems, plus youre on XDA so you should know a thing or two.

you want a nexus 4 with microSD and LTE? get a ****ing optimus G and stop flooding the ****ing forum
[Nexus 4 General] strumcat:
Aaaaaaaaaaasa shuddup... lol
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
hahahaahahahahahah exactly...

lets petition intel.. bring back the pentium 2 processor

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HAHAHAHA

you two win the internet for today
[Nexus 4 General] limpopo:
Google's vision sucks. It's ridiculous to even call it a vision, except in that narrow sense of a "corporate vision", i.e. a way to try to earn monopoly profits, by locking people into their walled garden in the Cloud.

Anyone with half a brain realises that micro-SD card would be beneficial to the end-user, because it would give them more capability to do different things with their devices.

You keep telling people, if they want software updates, to root their phones and stick a vanilla ROM on them. Sorry, this is a half-baked solution, because nobody releases decent open-source device drivers for e.g. their cameras or other bits of the hardware, so this just gives people a terrible experience.

It's painful what Google is doing to the Android platform, while trying to claim credit for being "open source".
[Nexus 4 General] jahmgwapo:
You. Sir. Just. Made. My. Day!
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
So its closed source because it doesn't have an sd card? Really? BUY ANOTHER PHONE WITH AN SD SLOT. Google doesn't need to cater to everyone's needs. It has a choice you either accept it or you don't.
[Nexus 4 General] DroidDavi:
Get over it its never gonna happen. Maybe if it was for 32 or 64.
[Nexus 4 General] Titan®:
I wish instead of 32 Gb model secessionist
[Nexus 4 General] G1ukos:
Going to sign antipetition :silly:
[Nexus 4 General] heat361:
I signed :)
[Nexus 4 General] eksasol:
I can understand Google reasons. There are obvious patent issues with Microsoft in this. Also with FAT it can't handle Linux things like symbolic links and permissions. There is a security issue due to not being able to do a full disk encryption, leaving the SD card out. There is also the piracy issues that Google trying to prevent, this is a concern for developers releasing apps, which they seems to finally take serious since Jelly Bean.

I do welcome larger internal storage though.

Sent from my iPhone Nexus 4 32gb
[Nexus 4 General] Pragmata:
I'll get this out of the way before my rant.

TL;DR: PLEASE don't be ignorant and think that if Google ever releases a 32GB/microSD it's because of this unless they EXPLICITLY STATE SO. That's all I ask. I will never post in this thread again, will not take up anymore of your time and will not even ask you to stop. Go ahead. Just do not claim "victory" or ignorantly believe you impacted Google's decision if they do finally release one unless they EXPLICITLY STATE YOUR PETITION IMPACTED THEIR DECISION. Naivety and willful ignorance are diseases that need to be cured.

<rant>

Petitions. The new lawsuit!

Nowadays, if you can't sue them for something... start a petition! This kind of stuff makes me sick. You're probably the same kind of person that would sue McDonald's for making you fat.

Google has chosen to make a product. They are a business and have every right to make it how they wish. There are plenty of close alternatives and substitutes on the market that even if your petition raises a million signatures, Google still has no reason to care because they are not after the likes of you with this device. It's clearly aimed as a device meant for it's philosophy of cloud storage.

Would you petition Chevy to make a Ford because you "can't live without SYNC"? You know what they would say? Go buy a Ford. No word of a lie. They would turn away your business and laugh at you. Eventually, they would get their own voice-activated system because it's the way the market is going, but that's not because you demanded it. Google is clearly going AGAINST the market on this one for a reason and that's to show their philosophy can provide a solid, beautiful phone product that a lot of people are going to buy. Myself included.

Do I expect down the line we'll see a 32GB/microSD model? I wouldn't bet against it. Probably halfway through the lifecycle in order to re-invigorate sales, but NOT because of this petition.

</rant>
[Nexus 4 General] limpopo:
No, it's partly closed source because you cannot use the software on any device it is intended for without relying on closed-source drivers. Nobody updates these drivers for long, so when new Android versions are released, nobody gets the updates - except if they have a Nexus.

However, Google cripples the Nexus phones with hardware designed to lock people in to relying on Google's Cloud services, e.g. by not including a micro SD slot.

So, if you want an Android phone that gets updates and isn't crippled, you cannot buy one.

Lots of people don't like that, and want to voice their opinion about it. It is something they have to weigh up in deciding whether to use an Android device, or not. Yes, everyone knows they can either accept it, or not.

Some other people seem to have a problem with people voicing their opinion.
[Nexus 4 General] Ryukeima:
Guess I missed the point...

Yea, its too bad that Android only comes on one phone, so we are stuck with only one choice that doesn't offer different screen sizes, different memory options, replaceable batteries, and LTE/radio options.... oh wait...

In all seriousness though, I would love a MicroSD slot on this phone, but I also realize that there will never be one phone that fits all my needs/desires. As an Android user I have the freedom to shop for a different phone from a different company with different specs.

Until the day when all Android manufacturers start making phones with all the same specs, petitions like this serve no purpose in my opinion. If that day ever comes though, I will gladly be the first to sign these types of petitions because Android will have become iOS.
[Nexus 4 General] heat361:
Let's put it this way, you go into a store to buy cheerios, but you don't like the fact they don't include Lucky charms are you gonna go petition against cheerios because they don't include Lucky charms. No you don't because you are given options and if you don't like cheerios you can go buy lucky charms.

It works the same way with android phones, you don't like what one OEM is making so you have a choice to go to another oem.
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
okay. you win. sign the petition. continue to make hundreds of repeat threads. you will get your microsd slot.

dont stop the *****ing and complaining just yet.. keep at it.. eventually google will install a tissue dispenser on the nexus for you cry babies.

oh wait maybe we should petition it?

the goal is to push android, not to make the perfect cellphone known to man. id like my phone to come with a built-in car starter and garage opener. should i petition google to add that into the phone?

you kids are ridiculous
[Nexus 4 General] fireblade:
That was a bit harsh but well said indeed!
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
is android/google in charge of manufacturers driver sources? lol

the nexus line was initially supposed to be a developer phone to push the limits of android and show manufacterers what it is capable of. not for uptight spoiled unappreciative kids who do nothing but moan about **** that doesnt matter
[Nexus 4 General] strumcat:
Question: When the Google troll posse has its morning talking-points meeting, don't they ever discus the value of brevity? Cripes, you guys would need more than 16GB just to hold one of your long, boring, boiler-plate messages. At least supply a Cliff's Notes version or something. Didn't they teach you anything in rhetoric class? lol.

Also, when you all show up at once it kind of blows your cover. Now go back and regroup and try again. I'm sure you can do better. Try a little subtlety. The rough-em-up approach doesn't seem to be working too well.

If you do better maybe Google will give you a raise. :)
[Nexus 4 General] eksasol:
There is always level of elitism in the Nexus forum section, you can see this with the current Galaxy Nexus section. I am sure there will be more here too once more people gets their hand on the Nexus 4. It's just something one will have to deal with if planning to venture in a Nexus section.

However, there are too many duplicated threads on this microSD issue along with other topics.
[Nexus 4 General] supercakefish:
Google have clearly stated their reasons for not including microSD so it is absolutely off the cards for Nexus 4, that's before taking into account LG would have to redesign the whole phone casing to fit one in = never going to happen.

What's far more likely is a 32GB model further down the line, I imagine in the first half of 2013 to better compete with the Galaxy S4/HTC whatever-it'll-be-called. Much like the recent Nexus 7 inbuilt storage revamp.

Regardless I'm purchasing a Nexus 4 as soon as it releases. 16GB is not my preferred storage but I'm willing to compromise in this area to get in on the latest Android update bandwagon and quad-core action.
[Nexus 4 General] mojo22:
Wow so much hate can't believe it. This so much reminds me of apple fanboys....

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE THREAD, DON'T POST IN IT.

Too many posts to reply to but regarding the posts about "if you don't like it go elsewhere". No thanks, I like it here :) But! If you don't like my thread then perhaps you should take some of your own advice and go to another one.

No need to defend Google people..

And ofcourse this won't get anywhere since most of you are willing to bend over and take it as google is giving it to you. For others that have signed the petition thanks.

hahahah ! Excellent.

Thank you! Still some descent people on this planet.

+1

INDEED! lol what is up with that.

Lol!! You're crying about this thread. Can't believe how you don't see the hypocrisy right here....

They could try do something about it. Since they do state it 'open-source'. Apparently nowadays if you release the source code that is open source lol....
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
1. dont post in it? were trying to inform you of your stupidity and ignorance. google explicitly said they will not include a microsd. do you think a random online petition will change anything?

how about searching the forum and going through the ****load of threads regarding storage on the nexus 4..

2. not hypocritical. people like you are destroying XDA and the reason why so many developers are leaving this place.

3. android is open-source. manufacturers drivers sources are not. my linux operating system is no longer open source because the driver of my logitech keyboard isnt open? get the f outta here with your nonsense

"dont like the thread, dont post in it" is awful similar to "dont like the phone, dont buy it"

wait let me petition this thread while im at it..
[Nexus 4 General] mojo22:
LG Won't have to redisgn nothing since the Optimus G at&t version has a Micro-SD slot :)

1. If there was thousands who signed the petition, yes it will get Googles attention.

2. Lol! Please state why you think they left cause of this post. :D

3. You don't know what open source is. Because I pity you i'll spend 1minute of my life teaching you little one something. Open Source is when the whole community can contribute to the system. So! if google is making changes without considering what the community wants just like the Dictators that they are (including apple) It is Not Open Source!

You have anonymous in your avatar but you know nothing what it resembles....shame. You have it to try fit in don't you? Any anonymous follower, which does resemble freedom of knowledge, FREEDOM OF SPEECH and does not tolerate Dictatorship! would not go against Any petition that supports the masses!

You're backing some corporation just like the apple fans do...lol as if they care about you.

I'm very happy that this thread pisses you off by the way :D There is something for you to learn here....Live and LET LIVE
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
you are officially a certified idiot.
[Nexus 4 General] mojo22:
name calling, nice :) i've edit my post, please be sure to go back and read it thoroughly
[Nexus 4 General] heat361:
You know I really thought the nexus 4 community would be as nice as the nexus 7 community but apparently there are people who wish to ruin that and this will push developers away :(.
[Nexus 4 General] athani:
Hi,

Don't feel compelled to respond in kind to these intolerant Mr. Know All's. Stay calm. Enjoy :)
[Nexus 4 General] Hero_Guy:
These petition threads are sad. In before the lock.

Also these petitions won't do a thing.
[Nexus 4 General] ruinkhan:
This whole petition thing reminds of those old women who cry and complain to have an air conditioner in Building elevator.:D
[Nexus 4 General] jnewman1991:
The best thing to do is vote with your wallet. If you don't like the product don't buy it. It's as simple as that. A petition will never work for this. There are a couple of options to expand the storage. You can use cloud storage if you are surrounded by wifi or have unlimited data, use USB OTG, or the upcoming micro USB to MicroSd adapter that is being made by a member on the forum. If you don't feel like either of these will fill your needs start looking at another phone.
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
You need to understand the people answering is not because we are THAT annoyed by stupid threads, we are annoyed by the self-entitlement mentality you have. Google and lg are private companies. They are not a democratic entity, they owe you NOTHING except the product they advertise and that you agreed to pay for. The price they dictate or the product they offer is in no way yours to choose. Eck, you should be grateful at the fact Google is actively trying to drive the prices down shown by theirgooglefiber, nexus 7 and nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
And the if you don't like it gtfo mentality is better?

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[Nexus 4 General] mbrinker96:
You can't just tell them how to make their products. It's like a petition for iPhone becoming open sourced, it just won't happen. Get an s3 if you really need expandable memory
[Nexus 4 General] ap3604:
That's exactly what a free market is.

If you don't like a certain product gtfo and find something better with your money :good:
[Nexus 4 General] rjayflo:
MicroSD aint happening
[Nexus 4 General] MrKaon:
Microsoft is holding essential patterns regarding SD Card, and google is not willing to pay. and they shouldn't.

So forget about it. At least ask for more internal storage.
[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
Please re-read the first post and don't post your negative comments about this thread again.
[Nexus 4 General] SIGUEL:
Simply, VOTE WITH YOU'RE ****ING WALLET, GO ****ING BUY ANOTHER PHONE.

First buy the phone, then you can whine as much as you want about it.

SKYNET
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
dictatorship? backing of corporations?

tell me how youre fighting the system by making a petition against a PRIVATE ENTITY for such a MINUTE issue that only affects a very few the way it affects you...

easy with your imagination. its simple: this wont happen and youre being too picky. if you design a product to the way you want it, would you conform because a few fools feel you didnt live up to THEIR expectations? cmon. google is not the government.

you have three options right now

1. buy a nexus 4, use something like USB OTG or the cloud and move where technology goes

2. buy a different phone. aokp and cm are way better than vanilla anyway, and most phones have these roms.

3. get some money and design your own phone

complaining about an issue when the phone is practically being given away at its price shouldnt be one of your options.
[Nexus 4 General] mackstrife:
Reading through the comments I don't think people get the point of the petition. The thread was intended to substantiate a claim that consumers need more than 8GB of stage and 16GB is more of a minimum. Drop box and drive cannot replace onboard storage. That being said I will be buying a 16GB nexus 4. I would however be more than willing to pay for more storage as I currently have 20GB of information on my phone between the micro and and 16GB external memory. And thus isn't Apple, google had been known to listen to their customers I'm the past. We just want them to know this would make their product more valuable to us.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Lol. How are you fighting the system? Your little tirade against the people who want to keep current tech onboard is more futile than what is wanted. If you don't like it go find another thread, or better yet another forum if you don't like it. Nobody is forcing you to listen much less post in these threads. Middle finger back atcha.

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[Nexus 4 General] brdl04:
Just called my senator. He didn't know what i was talking about. I feel dumb now. Thanks OP for making me think this was really important.
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
im not saying i am. hes the one who brought up my avatar as if it means anything in this situation.

its hard to ignore threads like these. there are so many ignorant people here. the worst part about it all is that there are numerous threads about the same damn issue and the phone hasnt even been released yet. it clutters the board. it pushes important and informative threads around. my replying in these threads doesnt help but maybe it will knock some sense in to a few people before they start with this nonsense in the development section when that opens up.

android didnt have these problems when the clowns were still using blackberrys and iphones.
[Nexus 4 General] mojo22:
I just want to update all the people who signed and tell them that once the amount gets to something reasonable, a letter will be sent out to Google stating that we would prefer a bigger storage option / Micro-SD option in future devices. As you can see X-amount of people support this. We need to offer something greater as an option even if it results to higher price.

Something along those lines.

To all the nay-sayers in this thread :) Just want to say there is no whining going on, we're all getting a nexus 4 but we would like our voices to be heard and if in the future nothing happens, well then i''ll shop around. Currently willing to give this a chance.

AND If you do follow Google you will know that they have always taken feedback into account hence them ditching loads of ideas that didn't kick off.

Oh I don't :)

I heard a very good saying the other day, I don't really want to bring religion into this but it is a good example of what is going on, I'm not Buddhist btw . "Thousands of candles can be lit from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened" lol!

lol I don't think anyone really read the first post :)

Well put! Thank you. That is exactly the idea of the thread. In fact i'll post it in this post on top now.
[Nexus 4 General] happydolphin:
This thread is bad and you should feel bad for making it. How naïve are you to believe that they will change everything they have firmly stated to appease a few people on XDA, especially those who joined because they bought the newest smartphone and want to learn how to "hack it". Not to mention how late it is to affect the design element.
[Nexus 4 General] tweaked:
On a side note; My petition is going great! I am almost at the wanted signatures (5)!

Keep it up guys!

Down with this petition! Down I say!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/petition-against-the-petition-for-micro-sd-slot-in/
[Nexus 4 General] matique:
I would definitely like a 32/64gb variant of the nexus..

My current galaxy nexus is almost always maxed out. I have a limited 12gb data plan, and the wifi in school kinda sucks. So cloud storage isn't a really strong viable point for me, hence the need for more space.

Yes, i do use USB OTG, but sometimes i use my phone while connected to an external battery pack. How do i use usb otg then? I know there is a y split cable but that's just too much of a hassle. I would prefer if i just have more memory. It will make everything easier..

That said, i can still perfectly live with 16gb, just like i have been with my nexus 7 and gnex. I bet google will release a 32gb variant in about 6months? Just like what they did with the nexus 7. Hence i am holding out with my gnex till then. And it's still an awesome phone running PA and franco.

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And oh, though I do support the petition, the realist in me tells me it will not work. Back in my HTC sensation days we begged HTC to allow s off but nope not happening. This is the same for the oneX too. That's why I moved to a nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
I see you got 3 sigs. Way to go douche.
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
OK OK bratty self-entitled... don't know which noun I should use, just use your imagination, you can even use genius if you want.

Did it ever occur to you Google is a company with a tremendous amount of power over the world and that a lot of smart people are trying to use that power for more than accommodate your 20gb playlist that you listen to call me maybe on repeat anyways? Look at this.

Remember when Apple (yes, another very powerful company, although more talented in marketing than inventing) boycotted flash? Omg so many kids like the ones here cried, oh so loud. They used the bigger picture. Now few are not at a crappy platforms mercy anymore, because we are notenabling them to provide us a crappy service by monopoly, thanks to apple, because we would have continued. Apple even KNOWINGLY lost market share during that boycott.

WWho's following now? 10 bonus pts if you are guessing where I'm going.

If Google refuses to provide larger memory and then a majority of phones have low storage, that shifts the burden to the carriers because we actively use more bandwidth, that means the carrier with the BEST PRICE/PERFORMANCE gets much much more attention. It increases the competitiveness in THAT market. Giving the CONSUMERS better prices and services. And further advancing us technologically with cloud advantages.

The current nexus line is CLEARLY a huge attempt from Google to drive devices price down and also attacking monopoly monsters like Verizon and AT&T by not enabling LTE on a device that will dominate the market in volume because of the quality/price.

Now if call me maybe is still more important to you, please buy a OTG and less us benefit from what Google is pushing for the consumers.
[Nexus 4 General] saber.srod:
Look on the nexus 4 accessaries. Someone is making a micro SD to micro USB adapter