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[Nexus 4 General] andy o:
That's only true if the camera software is purposely developed to do it. Like a "night mode" feature where the frame rate drops to make time for the shutter to be open longer for each frame.
[Nexus 4 General] wilsonlam97:
IMO the review seemed about right. Engadget isn't too bias. Now us guys are bias because we all know XDA is a Android dominate community.
[Nexus 4 General] Tomatoes8:
LOl Iphone 5 outclasses nothing. Any high end Android phone running IOS 6 would destroy it if their phones had a small 4 inch screen. Except it in gaming of course.

The GS3 and Note 2 pimps slap the iphone 5 handily in every head to head I have seen. Phonedog, Phone Arena, GSMarena all picked the GS3 as the winner against the igirly 5.

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Anyone that says the infinity is better than the Nexus 10 is pretty biased. They also thought the One X was better than the GS3. How they ignore the horrible quality control of the infinity and One X is beyond me.

So yes, they are either stupid or biased, take your pick.

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HTC sucks, this is exactly how they lost all of their market-share, they can't think 3 steps ahead as well as Samsung and Apple.
[Nexus 4 General] SUTHRNFRIED:
My Gnex already rocks. Can't wait for Nex4
[Nexus 4 General] Vanhoud:
In my opinion recording in 1080p is just a waste of storage space. 720p is more than acceptable
[Nexus 4 General] Daemos:
No Offence...but that is a really poor on screen time...IMO.

At least compared to my SGSII with 2000mah samsung battery and optimized siyah kernel, I get 4-5 hours...and I don't think it's enough. I'm hoping the N4 gets 6hrs or else I'll need to get a note 2.
[Nexus 4 General] mELIANTE:
I'd rather have it and not use it than not having it at all. The hardware is more than capable, so it should be there.
[Nexus 4 General] eep2378:
Engadget not too bias? You're kidding right?
[Nexus 4 General] Nospin:
No, there are quite a few writers at Engadget who refuse to compliment any product without an i in front of it. Wait until it comes out.
[Nexus 4 General] zevim2005:
Battery

The Nexus 4 has a 2100mAh battery, which on paper sounds like it will give you plenty of life. However, we've had a mixed experience with the Nexus 4. Put to moderately heavy use and you'll find that the battery drains quickly, thanks mostly to that large display. Typically we'd find that on a busy day, we'd need to be charging the Nexus 4 in the afternoon to then make it safely into the evening.

On lighter days we found we wouldn't need to charge it until the evening, but getting through the day is a struggle. Wireless charging is included, if you have a compatible Qi charger, but we didn't get to test this feature.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/6048/lg-google-nexus-4-review-jelly-bean
[Nexus 4 General] Rusty!:
That's another review based on pre-release software, though.
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
Every review is based on pre-release software. So that leaves a lot for a final release to fix. Poor battery, CPU throttling/overheating, poor performance, low sound, slow camera shutter speeds.

I mean, that's a lot to just wrap up and fix in one release. That's also a lot of to leave unfinished and give your phone out to be reviewed. I'm still up in the air on this thing, sure doesn't make sense that a dot release of an OS is going to break that much, but who knows.
[Nexus 4 General] leventccc:
I don't give a **** about the pre release reviews (good & bad ones). Wait until 13, read the final reviews and then start worrying.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
i hope u will not get shocked when u will see there is no big changes with final release :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] Rusty!:
Except for... oh I don't know... lock screen widgets maybe?
[Nexus 4 General] rumthin:
Google seems to be rushing the N4 out for the Christmas shopping season. I just hope they get all the kinks worked out shortly after.

I'm still ordering mine on the 13th. :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1975084 :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] tehdef:
No. That device is propped up by a boring and relatively simple operating system. Android is far more hungry than iOS, and as such requires more power. Slap android on that device and it'll brick faster than any phone produced. IPhone is a casual phone.
[Nexus 4 General] -juanito-:
from AndroidCentral review

The usual caveats apply, of course. We all use our phones differently. After a week of use, both in our usual at-home configuration as well as away from the comfort of stable Wifi, we're very happy with battery life. The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro is supposed to be extremely economical, and that's what we're seeing in our initial testing. Ten hours of moderate to rough use isn't out of the question on a cellular connection. And make no mistake -- your network connection matters a lot. It's not impossible to drain the battery in just a few hours if the radio's constantly looking for signal. We've done it.

On Wifi all day -- even with the usual battery suck that is smartphone testing -- we eked out more than 18 hours on our first full day of use, and 15 or so thereafter. (For those who worry about screen-on time -- which along with network connection is just one of the things we take into consideration when it comes to battery use, we've been averaging between 3 and 5 hours on a charge.)*
[Nexus 4 General] Alicklee:
The reason why iPhone 5 has so much more better battery life is 100% hardware optimization. apple has all of its components built to match its iOS and ios built to the match the hardware. That is why it run as good as it can.

The problem with Android is that there is so many devices that there is no way google can built a rom that will be fully hardware optimize for all the different types of android handsets out there.

That is the reason why we have all this after release development like all the awesome rom developers on here trying to optimize roms to hardware.

Even though with all this extra help from all these awesome developers there is still no way to get full 100% hardware&software optimization because there's going to be codes and hardware they just won't be able to change. The only way Android will ever have good hardware and software optimization is if google either starts making all phone makers build phone with specifically design hardware with no customization so the software will run perfect or if Google's hires a rom developer for each of the different phones out there and builds a rom that is hardware specific and not like what is going on now which different phone makers adding there own custom skins and hardware !

Sent from galaxy s2x close by using the force of jedi knight 3 while waiting for my note 2
[Nexus 4 General] Drzfr3shboialex:
Engadget is really apple biased.
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
the only battery review i trust is that of GSMarena. i find their scores to be the closest to reality. hopefully they will be reviewing the final product not the pre-release software.
[Nexus 4 General] VictorNYC:
Maps, wifi, iMessage, hot spot etc etc .. I know dude I know .. I was trying to be sarcastic !

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How about we ALL wait until the phone is released so we can figure out what NEEDS to be fixed OR not ? Realistically THERE IS NOTHING TO FIX YET as there are plenty of reviews directly contradicting each other and NO REAL DATA so we can't build theory's or assumptions just yet, source code and top notch hardware is all we really need to make this work,
[Nexus 4 General] mrbkkt1:
I've been here, from when it was a windows mobile dominant community. lol.
[Nexus 4 General] skinien:
I think the most significant thing about APs review is that he compared the life with his galaxy nexus. He said where he'd usually get about 6-8 hours on his GN, he was getting 12-14 on his N4. I read that as double the battery life of the galaxy nexus. So if the GN wold usually last me around 18 hours, I'm looking at 30+ with the N4.
[Nexus 4 General] mackster248:
Engadget did a poor review IMO.

Android Police did a phenomenal review of it. I think we all should easily get a full day out of it with moderate usage.
[Nexus 4 General] cyberkid2002:
they also say the phone has a screen-on time of 2h40m... seems pretty bad to me!
[Nexus 4 General] espionage724:
I first figure out what the device is running, hardware-wise. I then compare that specific hardware with other hardware I'm familiar with (in this case, I compared the Snapdragon S4 Pro present in another device with the Tegra 3 found in some HTC device). With that, I now have a basic understanding that the Nexus 4 should perform better then my old device (Nexus 7). I don't put too much trust in benchmarks anyway; the best way to tell if a device is snappy is to... try it yourself (and obviously try it on non-pre-release kernel/rom/software).

Next, I chose to read some general reviews about how the device felt to hold, style, and physical appearance. Heard a few people mention the concern of a glass back... that's whatever in my opinion. If I'm gonna drop a device, I expect it to break, even if it only had a glass screen and plastic back. Don't drop the device, don't break the glass :p Another common downside is lack of LTE. I never tried LTE, I don't expect to even use mobile internet with my Nexus 4, and I'm used to internet speeds on my desktop that peak at 360kb/s. Plus I thought I heard LTE was Verizon-specific anyway. I would never go Verizon on mobile devices. General point being, I don't think lack of LTE affects me at all...

Price is good, specs beat my older device, and it would serve me more purpose (mainly need something more portable with cellular and rear-camera). Seems like a great buy in my opinion.

As for battery life, I rarely ran my Nexus 7 down to empty with general use (it would eventually die just from me leaving it idle most of the time for about a week at times with no charge). As long as the Nexus 4 can survive little to moderate usage, and then just be charged at night, it'll be fine.
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
It does a bit my one x gets 4 hours.
[Nexus 4 General] Capt.PP:
So often i burned my N7 down from 100% to 4% in 5 hours of gaming....I hope N4 can give me 8 hours of game time.
[Nexus 4 General] iamnotkurtcobain:
Let's wait for the final phone ane Software. I guess it ships with 4.2.1 and much better battery life...

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[Nexus 4 General] Ajdnet:
Techradar has just completed a 12 page review of the n4, and although it wasn't very scientific in terms of battery testing:-

"individual usage will vary wildly, but we found it to put in a competent enough performance. We took our review unit off charge at 7am. We did the obligatory check of emails, tweets, facebook messages and SMS. Over the course of the day, we made just under half an hour's worth of calls, browsed the web for about 40 mins between 3G and Wi-Fi, checked Twitter and Facebook half a dozen times each, took 10 photos and three videos and listened to music for about half an hour. By the time we got home at 5pm, the Nexus 4 had told us the charge was hitting 15% but then we managed to keep it going with minimal use until we went to bed at 9pm. We must also point out that much of the day was spent in a basement office with poor signal, so the Nexus 4 was constantly searching. We'd call that a good result and with frugal use, you'll squeeze at least another few hours out of this. For a modern handset, it's impressive and we are really pleased. It's most definitely an improvement on the HTC One X and even trumps the Samsung Galaxy S3 which is, itself, no slouch in that department. The thing is that it is so dependent on what Android apps you have installed and what they're doing in the background. It's even more of a bonus because despite Jelly Bean having brought performance enhancements, one thing that has degraded is battery life.We've heard nothing but complaints from people who've upgraded from Ice Cream Sandwich that ICS was better. Turning off Google Now appears to make a difference, but only a minor one."

Address (can't link yet): techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/google-nexus-4-1108999/review/9#articleContent
[Nexus 4 General] miniceki:
just out of curiosity: does wireless charging affect battery life?
[Nexus 4 General] Kojaes:
You guys are nexus crack heads .

lg nexus 4 2:40 screen time is the worse screen time i have ever heard in the recent years .
[Nexus 4 General] Jasonhunterx:
Android Central says they got 3-5.5 hours of screen time
[Nexus 4 General] funkyblue04:
So not that good. Not going to last a whole day.
[Nexus 4 General] Basil3:
My OneX has got as low as one hour screen on in 10 hours (completely dead) and as high as almost 6 hours screen on when I don't leave the house and am on wifi all day. It seriously depends what you're doing.

In any case, I can't see this phone being worse than the OneX.
[Nexus 4 General] leventccc:
Yes what you are doing is very serious because as a one x user i can get +4h screen on time with 3g on newest jb base.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Screen on time has nothing to do with battery life.

Yes, 25mins screen on time on my HOX today, and most of my battery used.

Depends what you do with the phone.

Screen on time isn't a final battery test conclusion
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
Engadget is going to re-do their battery tests under more controlled forms, according to themselves.

They say so, somewhere in this 1-hour appraisal of the Nexus 4 -"the best smartphone ever made, and if you don't get it, you are crazy".

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/07/engadget-mobile-podcast-157-11-07-2012/
[Nexus 4 General] lnfound:
Yes it depends, but in normal use it is usually consistent plus minus 20%. Having the device awake for 4 hours with 30 min screen on time is an uncommon case.
[Nexus 4 General] Nospin:
The most important thing everyone is forgetting is that Googlers have been using this device for a couple months now. If battery life sucks they would be the first ones to know. And they wouldn't be happy with it.

If there is a problem they are on it, so wait for the device to come out.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
My HOX gives very good battery life, I can get over 5hrs if I ain't gaming or streaming,

I was just showing that screen on time is no indication of battery usage, everyone will use their phone differently.
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
correct, and a google emplyee at androidcentral confirms:

http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-4/222026-nexus-battery-concerns.html#post2293407
[Nexus 4 General] biggiestuff:
Except those with the VZW GN's. In that case the customers were the first to know about it :D. i keed i keed
[Nexus 4 General] Nospin:
Totally true. But Verizon and Sprint Nexus devices are a different story entirely.
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
idk if anyone mentioned this, but the screen does require more power, more so than AMOLED screens. thats another thing to take into account. thats why the battery life may be on the lower side
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Wrong.

Less power.

Backlit screens will always use less power, amoled needs to light up each individual pixel

Amoleds only excel in black, and this isn't due to the screen producing black, its because the pixels are not turned on.

Using anything but black, Amoled uses more juice.
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
Both correct.....LCD takes more power to produce black, but much less to do whites.
[Nexus 4 General] Cactus42:
I can kill my SGSII in 5 hours running SlimRom/Dorimanx if I keep the screen on permanently. I could kill it in 5 hours using stock Samsung ROMs doing the same. On the other hand It'll last for a day and a half if I use the phone like a normal person and don't loop a benchmark 30 times.

I'll still be getting the Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] razball:
if you go to att.com you can look at reviews for optimus g and see battery life reviews there it's the closest thing for now.
[Nexus 4 General] wmm:
The ArsTechnica review had some very complimentary things to say about the battery life: "Out and about town, the Nexus 4's battery life was stellar."
[Nexus 4 General] kindiboy:
Their review is garbage.
[Nexus 4 General] spencer88:
I assume you're talking about Engadget's review.

Of course it's garbage, they love their apple products.
[Nexus 4 General] Maliacrete:
After starting reading this thread I got fed up when I got to the 4th Page. All bla bla bla, battery this, battery that. Facts are: a) Google would NEVER give the ok for a Nexus product if they werent sure of the quality. Nonsense like "well its cheap what do you expect" are just...nonsense. b) if you are looking for a phone that will take you through the next three years you are a) in a wrong post and b) you will be better off getting an iPhone, and c) if you are on the go all day, not working in an office and have nothing better to do other than heavy use of your phone, you may as well stay home and have it plugged in.

I have a Gnex since the day 1 it came out. I work in an office and my phone is plugged in, If i go out the phone lasts me for the evening no problem (Nexus 4 supposed to have 25% better battery as the Gnex), and last but not least, I will buy every Nexus phone every year. I stopped buying a phone years and years a go. I buy a gadget and I would like to change this every year. So get a life and wait till you have it in your hands. BB
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
So who gave the OK for the Nexus One with it's touch screen issues?
[Nexus 4 General] lnfound:
Engadget, maybe. Go listen to Engadget mobile podcast review of N4, that's as unbiased, critical and explanatory as it gets.
[Nexus 4 General] hippieschuh:
dont forgett that the optimus g has an eco mode. wich the n4 doesnt have. so you cant realy compare.
[Nexus 4 General] Maliacrete:
The Nexus One screen issue was caused by heat and it was not a general issue (mine did not have it). We are not talking here that the Nexus 4 (a phone not officialy out yet) has an issue (issue=problem in our world). It has been reported the phone has a short battery life. We have to wait and see. As I said before, there are other phones out there for the ones that would not risk it with any potential battery "issues"
[Nexus 4 General] msavic6:
The nexus one had a garbage touch sensor. Multi touch wasnt supported and caused crossing of the axis if you did use 2 fingers. The issue involving heat was fixed with a simple on/off of the screen. The crap touch sensor couldn't be fixed.
[Nexus 4 General] coolhand1:
upgrade

better than my 2-3 hours with my evo 3d
[Nexus 4 General] dotvoid:
german tech media just released their reviews. I guess they have received a much more recent software version than the US tech sites however they state basically the same thing, the battery life isnt great.

judging by all reviews I have read the screen on time is somewhere around 4 hours compared to the gnexus (GSM) which has 3 hours and the SGS3 which has 5-6 hours.

german site golem.de killed the battery in 1.5 hours by running benchmarks
[Nexus 4 General] Peter1856:
They don't even know the correct name of the GPU or the correct weight, one of the worst reviews... ridiculous :silly:
[Nexus 4 General] sidamos77:
I read it. But who does a battery life test by running a multi-threaded CPU benchmark? Insane!

This way, single core devices will have the best battery life, but this is no real life usage scenario.

But then, they decided to derive real life battery time from this benchmark ("must be poor").
[Nexus 4 General] Harry GT-S5830:
Also, The Verge said this:

"Battery life was also top notch. I'm used to getting just about a day of use on my Galaxy Nexus (that's taking it off of the charger around 8AM or 9AM, and putting it back on around 2AM). Some days it doesn't quite make it that long, depending on my workload. The Nexus 4 fared much better. At the time of this writing, I've had it off of its charger for 10 hours and 30 minutes and it's still got 45 percent battery life. Yesterday before I plugged it in, I'd had it off the charger for 16 hours, with 18 percent of its juice left. To say it's holding up for full work days would be an understatement; even with heavy use, this battery more than pulls its weight."

See: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/2/3589280/google-nexus-4-review
[Nexus 4 General] spencer88:
I thought I read something to do wit the lock screen.
[Nexus 4 General] TheBrandonWRX:
Still seems silly to release the device for reviews with buggy software. Really poor decision in my opinion.
[Nexus 4 General] dpaul007:
It's more than I can get with my current phone, so I don't care if people think it's crappy battery life.
[Nexus 4 General] Ravynmagi:
Considering other phones tested, such as the Optimus G get over 8 hours, 5 hours is really disappointing.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
The s4pro is top end for both CPU, GPU - so all these low benchmarks don't add up to the hardware - AT ALL
[Nexus 4 General] Ravynmagi:
No offense to The Verge, but they didn't really seem to take the time to run benchmarks or do an actual battery test. So I have to mostly rely on the Engadget and Anandtech reviews since it seems more time was put into those.
[Nexus 4 General] milesg:
I agree - it makes the reviews pointless. Because you're not sure if that's what you are going to end up with or not. Would have been better to delay the reviews for a week and get the software up to scratch?
[Nexus 4 General] TheBrandonWRX:
I would hope. You phone is hella old by technology standards. If you added a new battery your Vibrant would last longer. I thought it was around 7 hours for playback?

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Totally. Nothing worse than a buggy phone. N4 was a blind buy for me and I am still going to grab one but all kinds of skeptical now.
[Nexus 4 General] chaval:
Meh. Disappointed really. main point for me now good bat life, so the n4 with the new lipo batteries and 15h talktime was for me very interesting. Right now im gonna wait for more results. Suck, was gonna order it any day now.

About the unfinished software, if that is true. Why the h-ell rewiew the phone.what good is that.
[Nexus 4 General] sarcosis:
Totally agree with you there. I'm actually surprised that reviews came out so early. There's 11 days left before it ships! If you look closely at the reviewers who posted their "About Phone" screenshots, the Baseband Versions seem to vary. Seems like Engadget's reviewer was using an older Baseband version than TechCrunche's unit. If they waited, they might have gotten one more build to flash over before the final RTM that's' being shipped to consumers. I'm hoping once the OTA or New RTM ROM that will actually be shipping with the prodcution Nexus 4, all the reviewers take one more crack at this and revise anything that was weird with their pre-production units.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Yeah, I think most people will now wait for proper results as those benchmarks on the pre-relewse software are reallyyyyy low.

An S4PRO has been proven to out-bench all, so it should score much higher.

It should be 13-14,000 on Antutu and 8000+ quadrant you would think.
[Nexus 4 General] gideonMorrison:
It's almost like there aren't any s4pro's in there, at all :eek: That weird.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Well, I'm looking at my HTC ONE X that gets high 12,000s and an S4Pro with a faster cpu & much stronger adreno 320 & it gets less than 9000

What the....

So, something isn't quite right here....

Its scoring less in a lot of tests compared to the non pro dual core variant aswell
[Nexus 4 General] Red Wolf:
don't be like crying baby people just hold on, there would be some issue with software but it would be fix by the time. my S3 had battery drain, and over heating problem when I got it but after awhile sammy updated the OS and it was solved so no worries just give google a week :p