yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
dude, get over it. these people do it just for fun. and your 3dmark / gl is just as much garbage.

so you know, these benchmarks can all be inaccurate, not only because of the app itself, but because of the people using them. and your eyes can lie to you too, "seeing" performance in the ui does not show you anything about how well the cpu/gpu is actually performing. a smooth ui can be had with a not so well performing cpu/gpu.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
i have to apologize for my previous post, i came off rather aggresively.

i want performance as well, not looking for extra feature, like you.

the thing with benchmarks is that not one of them are perfect, nor will they ever be. to get a better idea how your device is performing, you have to use them all, or at least a full spectrum of different kinds of tests. only then will you start seeing a better picture of how your device is performing. this include your user experience, the most important benchmark.

personally, i want my device to excel at everything, even then i wont be completely satisfied, thats just my ocd ;)

now back to quadrant and antutu, where this began. they have some validity also, and are fairly accurate at what they test. the problem from the inaccuracy mostly comes from the users themselves, or other variables. variables, thats what cause the trouble. the best way to benchmark is to get rid of as many variables as possible. thats a reason why i tell people to lock in their cpu speed so it doest scale, for example. there are just too many variables. when you get rid of most, scores tend to stabilize and not variate much.

finally, what hit my nerves in the first place. these people are here for fun, to compare, to tune and make their devices "faster". antutu and quadrant just happen to be the most popular, for the longest, not necessarily the best. let them have their fun, theres nothing wrong with it. id say its even beneficial, as it brings joy to many :)
[Nexus 4 General] ore616:
[MENTION=1811927]simms22[/MENTION] Hey mate, just wondered if you could tell me what ROM you're running these days? Always enjoy your comments/knowledge on this forum :good:
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
im running rasbean from 06/07 with trinity tf133 :)
[Nexus 4 General] ore616:
Still running the Rasbean, nice. I had a blond moment last night and wiped my system.... so decided to check out some new roms.

Am giving ATOM rom a go coupled with tf133 and finding it very snappy hey. :)
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
i had one of those not to long ago, only i deleted the whole system via root explorer(system folder). it was late at night, and i happened to longpress then pressed delete to the wrong item. it didnt want to boot after , needless to say. at least it was an easy fix, just reflash the rom :)
[Nexus 4 General] ore616:
Haha... yeah. I was in recovery, about to flash a new rom......and then BANG..... nothing to flash...:silly: had to bust it into bootloader mode and decided to flash back to stock...:rolleyes:....lasted about 1min then was back on to a custom rom lol.
[Nexus 4 General] szucsgf:
Linaro Franco r156, stock voltages Max CPU 1728 fsync off governor performance all else stock. Illusion ROM, based on Slim ROM.
[Nexus 4 General] hp13:
I don't like stock roms (its mainly cause if gradient background.. I prefer black )..
[Nexus 4 General] 3dawg:
Anyone got benchmarks with the new simple GPU governor [MENTION=1601421]600[/MENTION]Mhz?
[Nexus 4 General] deani77:
My fav carbon with Trinity kernel
[Nexus 4 General] Sarthy:
cm 10.1 stable|franco kernel M3|~1,7ghz|row
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Latest Sabermod + Anarkia hybrid faux [MENTION=1247388]1.6[/MENTION]ghz 600 GPU. From the benchmarks I've seen there is no reason to upgrade anytime soon, when there are full octa cores then I'll update. :p
[Nexus 4 General] trillo69:
It doesn't look like gpu is OC'ed to 600MHz, that 2D and 3D score is the same than the ones from 487MHz.
[Nexus 4 General] hello247:
Did a Quadrant benchmark with Latest carbon nightly and tf133 as antutu force closes at 1.8Ghz. Pretty decent I'll say

1.8Ghz max and min

Deadline scheduler

Fsync off

Thermal throttle off
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
cool your device down first, if you want to run antutu at 1.836ghz. i need to cool it to 5C before antutu runs for me at 1.836ghz :angel:
[Nexus 4 General] hello247:
freezer? Lol. Ill try it on my portable laptop cooler.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
a freezer is very dangerous, as moisture condenses on all over the phone and inside where humid air was, when you pull it out of the freezer. remember that if you you ever do go that route. the more humid inside your home, the more water will form on/in your phone.
[Nexus 4 General] imeem:
Latest trinity kernel with latest Avatar rom. OCed to 1836 mhz and soc temperature is off. Other than that, everything is on default setting for kernel.
[Nexus 4 General] kairi_zeroblade:
Antutu and Geekbench..all stock..own compiled kernel with a few tweaks..no GPU OC or other mods..running on CM10.1 latest nightlies..
[Nexus 4 General] hello247:
Managed to pull it off :) used cold plate.
[Nexus 4 General] wispp:
CM 10.1 Compiled with Linaro
[Nexus 4 General] atxbang56:
well I see that I'm still in the top :

CARBONized from my Pretty CoOl Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
:angel:

btw, you should update your antutu.
[Nexus 4 General] atxbang56:
coool :D

CARBONized from my Pretty CoOl Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] Alex_Dreyk:
What rom + kernel?
[Nexus 4 General] trillo69:
You guys that have some problema benchmarking at 1,8ghz, I had same problem and I just had to lower the voltage for 1836MHz.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
or raise the voltage. i have to raise the voltage at 1836mhz from 1250mV to 1275mV.
[Nexus 4 General] hello247:
I didn't mess with voltages for 1835Mhz. But i found it was crucial for me to cool my device down before i can run antutu.
[Nexus 4 General] S2Powa:
Latest sabermod rc4 final & ak hybrid kernel stock with hyper gov... :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
Thats fast for 1512mhz, looks like 23000 would be obtainable with a more favorable 3d gpu run.
[Nexus 4 General] S2Powa:
I also tink the same.. I think that the new simple governor its good for battery but not so good for performance, at least in benchmarks
[Nexus 4 General] ntn359:
Does under volting affect benchmark?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
yes, it can. it could affect it both negatively and positively, depending how much uv'ed and how you phone likes that uv. the same thing with raising the voltages too.
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
I wonder if my large UV is causing my RAM score to be low or if that's tied to cpu speed? :confused:
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
it could be. try without uv, then youll know.
[Nexus 4 General] FuPete:
Why should UV affect the power of the hardware? It has nothing to do with it.

Except if you UV too much and your hardware becomes unstable, but that is another thing.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
that is not another thing, that is most of it. you might not feel the instability in your normal moving through the ui, but it can affect performance. as well as certain functions of the device that need a specific minimal voltage to function.
[Nexus 4 General] gobz:
My antutu is 20k..how do u guyz increase it?:sad:

PA+Matr1x stock freqs.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] io53:
The SoC is complex, you cannot be sure that it does not have anything to do with performance. It could be a lot of different things, we can only guess. Maybe the lower voltage makes communication with the ram chip less reliable?
[Nexus 4 General] imeem:
overclock it, disable soc temperature, and clear all background apps.
[Nexus 4 General] littlejoelgriffo:
Does anybody know how many nms the CPU and GPU in phones are? I know that the latest desktop CPUs are 22nm and GPUs are 28nm.
[Nexus 4 General] C4SCA:
Snapdragon s4pro cpu is 28 nm...

The adreno 320 i dunno
[Nexus 4 General] gobz:
Which kernel allows oc'ing? Also how to disable soc temp. Thank you. [MENTION=4274233]imeem[/MENTION]
[Nexus 4 General] imeem:
use an app called trickster mod: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bigeyes0x0.trickstermod&hl=en . As for overclocking, you can do with with Trinity Kernel or faux123 kernel. I used matrix kernel b4 but idk if u can overclock it.
[Nexus 4 General] szucsgf:
I second trickster. I'd also like to add to the list of kernels that allow overclock:

Franco

Ak

Ak-faux hybrid

Joker

There are others as well! This is off the top of my head.
[Nexus 4 General] gobz:
Also can anyone tell me is soc stuff derogatory in long run? Or is it a tweak everyone should apply

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] pk-sanja:
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Latest Rassaber 7.7.2013, tf133 and oc to 1782Mhz :p
[Nexus 4 General] snak3ater:
That's the best result i got so far..PA 3.65 with matrix 10.0...cpu at 192mhz-1.5ghz...

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] sub1287:
Just posted this in the trinity thread so I might as well post it here, my latest quadrant...
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
What io scheduler does this tf kernel even use?
[Nexus 4 General] sub1287:
Default TF is deadline
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
tf = trinity four :)

a tweaked ondemand with deadline is the default.
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Can't believe deadline is this fast, I got 138/200 which is slightly off beat from what tf but still good. Anyway I'll use deadline from now on, thanks guys. :beer:
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
was just running a quadrant benchmark, and decided to do an antutu. its been a long time since i ran an antutu benchmark, i just got my highest score :D

[MENTION=4110652]ctfrommn[/MENTION] rasbean build 07/03 and trinity tf133 kernel
[Nexus 4 General] S2Powa:
My best till now. :p
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
niiice.. :)
[Nexus 4 General] S2Powa:
Thanks :P

Rassaber 7/7 with tf133 amazing combo :)
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Looks like 24k is the highest possible with oc, or has someone gotten more?
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
25000 should be possible i feel, we're not that far away.
[Nexus 4 General] S2Powa:
We only need a little more optimizations :P
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
Are you guys getting 24000+ with a "fast" cpu? I'm running trinity at 1.8ghz and I'm only getting 22000, but I have the "nominal" cpu
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
ive got a nominal too.

but that has nothing to do with anything here. the binning only shows what the best voltage table is for your phone. trinity gets all its testing before release on a nominal phone :)

what rom are you using? have you tried adjusting the voltage for 1836mhz? my phone likes 1275mV at 1836mhz. also, for antutu, my phone will only run it at 1836mhz if i start the benchmark at 5C or lower.
[Nexus 4 General] S2Powa:
i have a fast binned cpu and run 1.8 at 1250 mv, at 1225mv i get lower scores ( default in tf133)
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Does trinity have GPU oc or is it the normal 400mhz? I only ask cause I user 600 and get roughly 7100 for 3d but in tf you guys post the same score in 3d.
[Nexus 4 General] S2Powa:
tf hve gpu ov to 487 mhz
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
Oh, so I need to give the CPU more voltage in this case? Didn't you say a while back you could disable thermal throttling with

echo N > /sys/module/msm_thermal/parameters/enabled

And I'm just using CM10.1
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
why yes, yes i did :angel:

i dont think that my thermal throttle has been enabled for a day, total time, in tbese last seven months with the phone. thats one of the first questions that i asked [MENTION=1122306]morfic[/MENTION] when i bought the n4, wheres the location to disable it.
[Nexus 4 General] noobletsausecakebbq:
This is the most I got at 1.5ghz. Overclocking actually decreased the score by around 500

I just looked and people have 8000+ in quadrant. HOW THE HELL???
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
the right rom(s), with the right kernel(s), with the right setup for your phone, turning off thermal throttle, benchmarking properly(setting the cpu speed to be the same high and low)... maybe i missed a step or two :)
[Nexus 4 General] jyuuken:
this is mine with pac rom and franco linaro. no tweaks applied yet.
[Nexus 4 General] Dark Fear:
what's the problem of quadrant with this device?!! in antutu score is a little behind htc one.. but in quadrant get's hardly half of it..!!!
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
what do you get at what speed? whats your setup? nothing wrong with quadrant and my device.
[Nexus 4 General] Dark Fear:
Delete this
[Nexus 4 General] deepasadish:
I got ~21500 on antutu 3.3.2 with pure cm 10.1.2
[Nexus 4 General] sub1287:
Here's the best antutu I remember running I always give up cause it never wants to run a test unless really cool...
[Nexus 4 General] Dark Fear:
i haven't this phone yet.. i'm just seeing reviews..

the problem is that , with oc to 1.8 nexus will reach HTC one in antutu.. but it's way behind it in quadrant..

why? is it the problem of quadrant? i think 8k isn't pretty good for this device..
[Nexus 4 General] kszaq:
The reason behind it is HTC One having higher screen resolution. Nexus 4 has enough GPU power to hit 60fps limit. When you compare 1280x768x60 and 1920x1080x60 the difference is obvious and you can see that AnTuTu score here doesn't mean much. ;)
[Nexus 4 General] Dark Fear:
you mean quadrant and n4's difference with Htc One is true and antutu's score doesn't show real difference of hardware of these devices?!!
[Nexus 4 General] kszaq:
Sorry, I misread your post and thought you were mentioning AnTuTu. :silly: I think that there is something in the way the libraries are handled in Android 4.2 and therefore Quadrant scores are way lower than they should be. I remember reading users reporting lower Quadrant scores on Nexus 7 and Galaxy Nexus after upgrading to Android 4.2. I still wonder what might be responsible for that.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
no, both antutu and quadrant dont show all their differences. and quadrant is very out of date. even worse, quadrant really doesnt test the gpu, it counts fps instead.and all nexus devices have their fps limitted to 60fps. so the nexus 4 tops quadrant out when it comes to graphics. if it tested gpu for real, the n4 would get higher scores.
[Nexus 4 General] imeem:
I always wonder, why do people still use Quadrant? It's old and doesn't it mean that it's not optimize for newer version of android and phones? Why doesn't the developer update it?
[Nexus 4 General] SudevG:
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Franko.kernel r163 on carbon rom
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
people use it just for fun mostly, but it is truely out of date. look at the last time it was updated

why doesnt the dev update it, only the developers can answer that.
[Nexus 4 General] sub1287:
Quadrants just the old stand by.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
quadrant goes through the test quickly, and doesnt heat up as much. and you dont really have to cool the device down. thats one plus of quadrant ;)
[Nexus 4 General] szucsgf:
Do you guys ever use this? It's fast like quadrant but it's updated. Thoughts?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cgollner.benchmark.free

Nexus 4 | AK-FAUX Hybrid Kernel | Slim ROM
[Nexus 4 General] Andre_Vitto:
ROM and kernel pls...
[Nexus 4 General] sub1287:
Lol looks like you just quoted your answer.
[Nexus 4 General] omer7:
What r ur franco kernel settings?
[Nexus 4 General] davjan:
No gpu test in this on?
[Nexus 4 General] SudevG:
Maximum CPU Frequency: 1728 MHz

Minimum CPU Frequency: 1728 MHz

Thermal Throttle Threshold: 60

Hotplug high load threshold: 0%

Max GPU: 400 MHz

These settings I made using Latest version of FKU (Paid version) which supports Per-App Power modes. I explicitly set these for Antutu only. If anyone keeps this settings in general, I guess the device can be used as stove soon :laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] szucsgf:
Antutu with the odexed leaked stock android 4.3 ROM. Just changed to deadline/1024, otherwise default. Really good graphics performance, particularly 3d.

Of course it's only appropriate to compare this to stock 4.2.2; our wonderful kernel devs haven't had a chance to work their magic yet :).
[Nexus 4 General] Pokley:
Here's mine, Just regular CM 10.1.2, no odd tweaked kernel, no overclocking. Just changed CPU governor to "Performance" from default "On Demand" in the Performance sub menu of Settings. Max speed still ~1.5MHz.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
leave it at ondemand, set the max and min at 1512mhz, i bet you get a higher score.
[Nexus 4 General] Pokley:
Good tip, but it ended up scoring just lower than 21000:/ Tried it a couple times.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
try this, for ondemand settings.. sampling rate of 15000, and up threshold of 98. use deadline with it.
[Nexus 4 General] Connor Baker:
An older version of CFXE with the stock kernel. IO governor is cfq, Read Ahead Buffer of 128, CPU governor is Ondemand, min 384, max 1242, GPU governor is Ondemand, min 128, max 400. Force 2D GPU rendering was on. Ambient temperature of about 92*. No cooling.

Connor Baker
[Nexus 4 General] kszaq:
How about CF-Bench? This is with stock kernel, no OC:

The trick here is that I used libdvm.so (Dalvik Virutal Machine) from I9505G ROM. To be able to do this I compiled my ROM with dalvik source from CAF (without that replaced library didn't work), then I replaced libdvm.so with the one from I9505G's ROM and also added libqc-opt.so (needed by libdvm.so). This also boosted my CPU score in Quadrant to >20000 without OC. There's no score boost in other benchmarks, as they rely on native code only which is not affected by Dalvik modifications.

Judging by these scores, it seems to me that there are some dalvik patches used by every OEM in their stock ROMs starting from ICS (even by Samsung and HTC for Google Edition ROMs) that didn't make their way to AOSP. We're probably not talking about STE patches that can be found in AOSP Gerrit - as they're relatively new - but something else that is not available to the public.

Looking at New Nexus 7 benchmark scores, it looks like Google didn't even merge CAF's optimized memory routines for Krait in Android 4.3, despite making a dedicated folder for them. What are they waiting for?
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
Can you do a zip? For the gs4 davlik?

Also are they from the 4.3 gs4 ge ROM?

Edit..... Sorry read your post properly and see a rom needs to be compiled with caf dalvik sources.

Anyway nice discovery!!!
[Nexus 4 General] sigma392:
Wouldn't performance have a higher benchmark score since the phone will always be running at 1.5 GHZ? Setting it to ondemand will make it ramp up from the lowest clock speed thus providing a lower benchmark score.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
not true, all my highest scores are with ondemand. and performance gives a noticeably lower scores.
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
kszaq's discovery > 4.3 ? :)

Very nice of him to share this info imo.. Faster Java/dalvik for all of us soon.
[Nexus 4 General] kszaq:
Sure. The flashable zip is in the attachment. Please note that flashing this may cause your phone to not boot (stuck at boot animation), so in case that happens, reboot to recovery (by pressing Power + Vol Down for a few seconds) and re-flash your ROM (no wiping needed).

In case you wanted to test the lib in the ROM I used, you can download it from here: http://www.multiupload.nl/9AUPETOFMN. It is AOKP compiled with Linaro 4.7-2013.07 toolchain and ParanoidAndroid kernel.

The libs I used are from S4 JDQ39 (4.2.2) ROM, you can't copy libs from 4.3 to 4.2.2 as the code has been changed too much. I'll be doing some tests if we can copy libraries for Android 4.3 from latest S4 leaks to Nexus 4 ROM. :)
[Nexus 4 General] -JFK-:
Hello, won't boot with RasSaber/Franco.

Thank you anyway.
[Nexus 4 General] simms22:
what cpu speed are you testing? here is a run with primerunner/trinity, before the improved dalvik code hit aosp..
[Nexus 4 General] kszaq:
Stock kernel, stock settings - that is ondemand and 1512 MHz max, as far as I remember. I also made sure that no thermal throttling occured. Please take a look at Java efficiency - with the lib from S4 I am getting almost 100% for MSFLOPS and MDFLOPS.

I have just taken a look at bionic source code for Android 4.3 - no Krait-specific patches. :(
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
No krait patched for 4.3? Won't be using that then.

Anyway scored 79xx in quadrant with that rom at stock speeds using motley kernel... 20xxx CPU speed :)

Thx, the rom flies!!

Edit..waiting on simms22 to put up new quadrant record :)
[Nexus 4 General] kszaq:
Glad it worked for you. I just hope it doesn't crash in some odd places as copying that lib is a very ugly hack.

I just tried moving libs for Android 4.3 from leaked S4 GE ROM and it didn't work. I guess we need to take this into our hands: pull sources, patch bionic and dalvik and put some new benchmark records. :)
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
Whatever the method it seems solid as a rock.

Just tried the trinity kernel tf133 at 1.78 fsync off and got 9200 quadrant score :)

I'll upload the screen shot when I get to my PC (not sure how to do it from android)

Edit..used imgur app to upload

That's not even trying, the run before that with fsync left on.. CPU score was 24000+... No cooling and its warm
[Nexus 4 General] kszaq:
Actually I noticed that some apps that need root access (franco.kernel updater and AOKP's ROM Control) exit randomly, apart from that it's very stable.

I'm building 4.3 with all dalvik patches cherry-picked and memcpy optimized for Krait, will see how it goes this evening. :)
[Nexus 4 General] yabbandroid:
do you know what's going on?`I mean I didn't overclock or anything, just running latest Paranoid Android with the latest Franco Kernel nightly but I get so low Antutu scores..

Before on the stock kernel I got like 15000 which I found low already so I tried the Franco Kernel but it only got 'worse'

on Quadrant I am getting 5000 that one got a little better, it was worse on stock kernel...

any ideas? What Kernel should I try? Trinity?
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Hey if you can could you post the source for those commits after you're done?
[Nexus 4 General] kszaq:
Sure. All the dalvik patches that you can merge are here: https://android-review.googlesource...%40stericsson.com+project:platform/dalvik,n,z
[Nexus 4 General] yabbandroid:
I flashed Trinity Four Kernel TF 133, now my benchmark in Antutu is 17234, which is quite OK given my terribly low scores before but it is still lower than the official N4 score given for Antutu.. I don't get why my device scores so low? :o/
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
Is it hot where you are? throttling can occur if your phone gets to just 36 degrees ambient temp via battery temp sensor (don't confuse with cpu temp) ...depending on how the kernel you are using is set up. I don't know about Franco kernel because I never use it.

PA should score [MENTION=1967609]2100[/MENTION]0 in antutu with stock kernel assuming no throttling kicks in. (It did last time I tried it which was a while a go)
[Nexus 4 General] yabbandroid:
meangreenie, thanks! Yeah it's hot, but not 36 C° ... very strange. I was browsing this thread and found nobody who got similarly low benchmarks, I figure most people come here when they've got very good scores to show them off, that's normal :P but why is my phone so slow..
[Nexus 4 General] meangreenie:
Watch out with that tf133 kernel because it defaults at 1.02 MHz max instead of the normal 1.51 (at least it did for me when I used it earlier today) check with cpu tuner from the market.

[MENTION=3905077]kszaq[/MENTION]..... Can't wait to try that 4.3 rom when your done; if your sharing :)
[Nexus 4 General] kszaq:
Here's a flashable zip for you to test. Flash it over stock Andoroid 4.3, it won't work on 4.2.2.

Differences between this and stock:

cherry-picked all STE dalvik patches from AOSP Gerrit,

added Krait-optimized memcpy and memmove routines in bionic.

Let me know how it works for you!

Edit: Please download the upadted zip from this post.
[Nexus 4 General] yabbandroid:
You're right, it does default at 1026Mhz max. Lol but still I get higher scores than with the Franco Kernel R165 and with stock???

Trinity Four should be good to save energy then right? :)