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[Nexus 4 General] haydonxda:
Whaaa? mAh is everything in these phones. Those uber 2500mAh batteries on eBay aren't much better than stock simply because they're lying about the capacity. They probably don't get many charge/discharge cycles either.
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
i believe The Verge's side of the story in this.

the Nexus 4 will outdo any phone with 2100 mAh (One X+, Optimus G and the S3) because it's running a very efficient chipset and screen technology with a software optimized by Google itself. logically and hypothetically this device should have good if not great battery life, without ROMs figuring out more ways of squeezing more juice out of it.
[Nexus 4 General] mrbkkt1:
Really? Time to switch to jellybean, and ditch sense.
[Nexus 4 General] leventccc:
I agree with you. I'm almost sure we can get +6 hours of screen on time because 1800 mAh HTC One X Tegra 3(44nm) + Custom Kernel + Custom Rom can easily have around 5h of screen on time. If HOX can do that, we should have at least 7 hour of screen on time but I don't want to keep my expectations too high.
[Nexus 4 General] blackhand1001:
Not buying engadgets review. All their benchmarks are really low as well. Not to mention the nearly identical optimus g gets 8 hours. Somethings up here.
[Nexus 4 General] oddlyshapedstickman:
All these results are most likely due to pre release firmware and a crappy stock kernel.

The main reason I'm getting this is because the dev's are gonna make it so that this is a helluva lot faster than anything else on the market.
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
Someone email Google about all these issues and see what they say.
[Nexus 4 General] ET3RNA4:
I think there's something wrong with the review devices or something with the firmware...The Verge said this in their Review "Battery life was also top notch. I'm used to getting just about a day of use on my Galaxy Nexus (that's taking it off of the charger around 8AM or 9AM, and putting it back on around 2AM). Some days it doesn't quite make it that long, depending on my workload. The Nexus 4 fared much better. At the time of this writing, I've had it off of its charger for 10 hours and 30 minutes and it's still got 45 percent battery life. Yesterday before I plugged it in, I'd had it off the charger for 16 hours, with 18 percent of its juice left. To say it's holding up for full work days would be an understatement; even with heavy use, this battery more than pulls its weight."

Link
[Nexus 4 General] r0cafella:
Image as per Brian Klug of Anadtech's twitter feed.

http://twitpic.com/b9rew6
[Nexus 4 General] Nexus 4:
I really hope all of these mobiles have pre-release kernels.
[Nexus 4 General] TeRRa4:
Going through his twitpic stuff there and I found this:

http://twitpic.com/b9qbcq

"Hurr durr it doesn't have LTE I'm not gonna buy /sarcasm 2+2=Nexus 4"

I giggled a little bit.
[Nexus 4 General] vpraveenis:
Look at the date in the screenshot. They probably applied it before the review. It must be that the screenshot was captured much earlier during the review

Yes. Especially considering that Optimus G shows more than double the performance with the same benchmarks. Similarly battery life too, Optimus G with same spec manages to run much longer but that's with ICS and not 4.2 So Maybe google is still trying to optimize the performance of 4.2 before they start shipping.

But even without optimization, only half the performance seems fishy.. did google cut down on something in hardware to keep the price low? Only time will tell...
[Nexus 4 General] arika44:
but optimus G is much more expensive, if Nexus 4 runs as good as optimus G, then no one will ever buy optimus G
[Nexus 4 General] gideonMorrison:
Not the point. It's a Google phone, they want market share. Actually they would like to destroy Apple. Gotta aim high, right? The insides are virtually the same. Period.
[Nexus 4 General] eep2378:
I really feel that most of these early impressions on battery life are a result of early firmware. Google told reviewers that there would be an OTA update pushed prior to sale of device.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
except the note 2 obviously.
[Nexus 4 General] supersain08:
Sure but with like a gazillion core processor and a ridiculously high battery (3100 mAh). Still loses in some benchmarks.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
benchmarks aren't everything. The iPhone 5 is no match to the note 2.
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
Different phones for different markets. If you're going to ignore benchmarks, then all that remains is opinion, which depends on the person.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Well there are facts, battery life, performance,features, all of which the note 2 dominates the iPhone.....
[Nexus 4 General] Capt.PP:
You received an eagle eye badge award!
[Nexus 4 General] Killasmoke:
I think the Exynos 5250 with Mali-T 604 in the Nexus 10 might be a little faster or about the same . I would of loved that in the Nexus 4 Arm cortex A-15 made by Samsung Exynos yea that chip will be in the Galaxy S4 next year or maybe big little configuration. Nexus 4 is a beast with greatest price I've ever seen 350$ 16gb unlocked no contracted !!
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
The Note 2 gets less battery life than the iPhone 5 according to Anandtech and Engadget (and I'm sure other sites if you look around), performance is measured by benchmarks, and better features is opinion.

Not saying that the note 2 isn't a good phone or better/worse than the iPhone, but it's not as clear cut as you're making it out to be.
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
It may seem silly but it happens all the time. However, usually the embargo is much closer to release so reviews are usually on the final software by that time. I think having to cancel the event caused Google to not enforce the embargo so all of the reviewers put theirs reviews up as soon as possible.
[Nexus 4 General] expertzero1:
maybe 4.2.1 at launch like 4.1.1
[Nexus 4 General] onthecouchagain:
I think Google and/or LG made a big mistake in sending out early units to reviewers with unfinished software builds. That's looking to be the culprit behind the puzzling benchmarks (that should match the LG Optimus G which has the exact same specs, but don't), and the wide range of battery results from different reviewers.

In the Engadget review, for example, the average person doing quick research will only see "poor battery" in the Positive/Negative section and be turned off. With Google trying to push the idea of unlocked devices to the consumer (make no mistake, that is their goal), this is a mistake they can't afford to make. Unless all these review sites update their reviews with new benchmarks and edits to the writing, the layman will not know (or frankly care) about early builds and unfinished software. They'll just simply be turned off by that "poor battery" blotch.

If Google wants the Nexus smartphone to take off, and to eventually be able to leverage and forge relationships with the carriers to release CDMA and LTE versions, and to get subsidized versions, they'll need the Nexus brand to sell well.

I'm still going to get the device as I know Google will have the final software build by release date, but this is an early misstep for the branding.
[Nexus 4 General] -juanito-:
AnandTech - Google Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 Performance Preview - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/2

really bad battery
[Nexus 4 General] dabomb224:
Still gets about an hour of battery life more than the GSM Galaxy Nexus. For those of us with the Verizon LTE Galaxy Nexus, it's probably closer to 2 hours more. That alone makes it worth trading up.
[Nexus 4 General] GR36:
Are you high. That thing always needs charging
[Nexus 4 General] Jamal Ahmed:
You Sir, just gained my vote:)very well written and i agree 100%
[Nexus 4 General] goheels:
Absolutely. I don't know what in the world Google was thinking giving units to people to review that did not have finalized software. Surely Google knew the preview units' performance, so why would they intentionally allow people to review them? Such a basic mistake that it's pretty mind-boggling that a company of Google's size could let this happen. The Anandtech article is especially damning - the iPhone 5 just blows everything else away. The Nexus 4 is obviously a hell of a lot cheaper than an iPhone 5, but it's still got top-shelf hardware.

This could really hurt Google's chances at marketing the phone to non-tech-savvy people. I personally won't be buying this phone on release day and probably not for some months after (going to hold out to see if they release a 32GB version), but I do know that these problems can be fixed with an update and the phone's worth waiting for that. But your average person will see the initial reviews and many of them may go buy an iPhone 5 instead. Google still has quite a few things to learn when it comes to making mobile phones.
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
Meh, non-tech savvy people probably wouldn't read sites like Anandtech anyway. Most of the people who read it are tech enthusiasts and will probably read an update a couple weeks from now when Google pushes out the software updates and we see if it improves the situation or not.
[Nexus 4 General] qwer23:
I don't give a crap about Engadget, but the Anandtech review worries me.

Besides Anandtech, there's only one other page I mostly trust: GSMArena, because I kinda like their way to review: take your time, run serious tests, try to stay unbiased and objective, inform users about pre-release software you tested, compare to other devices with pros and cons per device, so the readers can decide what they want or don't want in a phone.
[Nexus 4 General] wind784:
It's obvious different sites are running different builds, the benchmarks are too vast between high and low for it to be hardware. Dunno why Google allowed reviews to come out before 4.2 was ready for release. In any case I'm snapping one up, and I believe it's software+obvious existing reviewer bias that are the culprits. AnandTech used to be a good site, but over the past couple of years reviews have become very slanted towards anything Apple and refusal by Anand to put them into any sort of negative light. That doesn't just go for mobile phone reviews, but it's obvious regarding CPU and Video Cards also. Take it with a grain of salt.
[Nexus 4 General] thenext1:
Anandtech review shows the nexus4 is throttling down the gpu during test loops, possibly explaining the meh results. It goes as far as to say the phone was very hot at the end of the tests.

LG optimus G on the other hand scored pretty in line with expectations, wherever it was included, but in some instances couldn't complete the tests before crashing, too early (they suspect) for thermal throttling to kick in.

Let's see which behavior we'll get. Either one isn't good. I see a great deal of complaining coming.
[Nexus 4 General] PhilipL:
Hi

I strongly expect performance issues (which impact on battery) are known to Google, but they are pushing ahead with release anyway. To have this phone out and being sold in time for Christmas is going to be a big target for Google. They will be shipping with less optimal firmware to avoid delay getting the phone out there and then fixing it later, the same has happened with other phones this one will be no different. Google has the advantage that the hardware, being the same as the LG Optimus G, is known to be solid and field tested, and the firmware they can easily and quickly push updates out given it is pure Android without layers of branding or other UIs on top to cause complications.

Regards

Phil
[Nexus 4 General] SquareBare:
I would say that these battery stats are probably accurate. I think the Verge reviewer was too excited about the cost and features of the phone to point out the obvious lack of battery life.

Nexus phones have always had poor battery life, my VZW GNEX can barely survive a full day with a 3800 mAh battery, (though I frequently use the GPS on mine).

It just seems that Android, in its raw form, is never really optimized as it should be. This may have something to do with not wanting to outshine the other LG / Samsung / HTC phones. This is the same reason that every phone since the N1 has been just slightly behind the curve in all hardware.

If the battery was replaceable I would be all over this thing in a heartbeat. But as someone else joked you are better off just buying 2 and swapping sim cards between them.
[Nexus 4 General] Stennan:
Probably has to do with open vs closed source code. Some power saving code/functions might have to be licensed and thus cant be a part of the android open source project. Google might be able to license certain things like HDR function for the camera and make it available, but stuff that isn't industry standards might be harder to get into android.
[Nexus 4 General] funkyblue04:
Hour extra is not good enough. Needs to be MUCH MORE considering you can no longer swap the battery. This device does not look good if want to use your phone during the day and it last through the evening until the night.

Sigh.
[Nexus 4 General] thenext1:
Probably has to do with cost cutting and the rush of getting something to the shelves in time. No way they'll be selling this at cost price.

Also, can't think of a release/announcement/upgrade in the past where Google hasn't screwed up even a little bit.
[Nexus 4 General] Billy Madison:
Is it's definitely not related to core numbers. In video playing they are completely not used, @ all. Teh video is decoded by Hexagon QDSP6 Gen H4 Digital Signal Processor (DSP) built into Snapdragon S4 Pro both in 1S and Nexus 4. It is analog of Neon DSP as far as I know. And all 4 cores sleep while playing video.

And don't forget that 1S uses completely crappy display 960x540 2-subpixel dots of samoled technology which gives 1036800 subpixels totally. And Nexus 4 got 2949120 subpixels in its 1280x768 matrix, its like 3 times more than 1S has. And its bright, but high energyconsumpting IPS, that's why it lasts less when watching movies, AMOLED is more preferred if you're fan of watching flicks on your smartphone
[Nexus 4 General] ThunderWolf78:
Yeah wow, so they reviewed a device that doesn't have fully optimized or finalized software yet and battery life is highly individual. I had an s3 for 4 months, decent battery life on stock but not near it on aosp jb which I wanted to run so i swapped it for a Gnex to tide me over until the Nexus 4. To the point, I get about 3hrs of screen on with the Gnex on one charge, I unplug it at 6.35am, surf a little over wifi at home before going to work, watch a 41 minute episode of a tv-show and then about 20 minutes of music(all audio is via bluetooth), then the phone will sit on my desk while I work without getting charged until sometime around 22-ish and i have between 10 to 20% battery left then. Gsm/3g reception ranges from abysmal to excellent as I work in the city and live in the countryside, travel between the two is by train. The S3 needed a boost during the day as to last until I got home and the Gnex doesn't. I will most likely be happily ever after if the Nexus 4 battery life is anything like what the Gnex gives me.

Figure I will get flamed for this but these are my highly personal findings and views.

Tapatalked from my h4x0r3d up Maguro.
[Nexus 4 General] Billy Madison:
So then you should simply buy more suited device to your needs than mumble and rumble on the forums that life's a beach or what. I suggest cool Pantech Vega R3 with two 2500mAh replaceable batteries, it will last a day on 5200mAh even if you will constantly browse net by 3G. And Nexus 4 you probably should not buy
[Nexus 4 General] funkyblue04:
It is just another step backwards. I swap batteries now with the GN. This thread is about battery life BTW..
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
Keep the GNex then or get the note 2. A lot of android phones seem to be moving to non removable batteries and no micro SD cards.
[Nexus 4 General] funkyblue04:
Why is that though, when apart from the MAXX, battery life is not getting much better?
[Nexus 4 General] ASoGElit3:
It isn't out. -.- Some places got it early (review websites etc)
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
Maybe for the design? Not sure but that seems to be the way its going.
[Nexus 4 General] huntedsoul12:
Not buying Engadget and Cnet reviews on any an Android devices.

And its not even final product. I will wait :)
[Nexus 4 General] Slap-Yourself :):
So what's this about 22fps?
[Nexus 4 General] wtfshouldidonow:
Not really. It's more like the quality of the cells used in smartphone batteries these days. There hasn't been much change in the chemistry of modern batteries since the li-ion was developed sometime around 10 years ago. The only thing changing are the mah capacity which just gives a slight boost. If only companies would develop better li-ion or li-polymer batteries or a new kind of chemical to use for batteries, then we'd start to see small but decent battery lives. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I just based this on a few articles I kept on reading.
[Nexus 4 General] funkyblue04:
That is what is interesting. I wish they would focus on things that matter like battery life. They get bigger and faster but battery life is not getting much better!
[Nexus 4 General] Nexus 4:
I'd like to know about that.

Furthermore, does it has stabilizer?
[Nexus 4 General] FirePoncho86:
Something about video only being recorded at 22 fps. I think this is completely ridiculous for a final product with 2 GB of ram and a quad core S4.

With those specs i expect 1080P at 60fps, with the right optimization

Sent from my awesome Nexus S
[Nexus 4 General] Capt.PP:
After reading the slight review from AnandTech's benchmarks of Nexus 4, i'm very worried about heat problems. A review from Engadget wasn't very positive as well but i blamed them for not updating the Nexus 4 when prompted.
[Nexus 4 General] jimbob_me:
Battery problems aside, this amazingly spec'ed phone is gonna cost me £280 once, then £10 a month on a damn good contract. We all know the battery life will be better than the reviews state due to software updates, and hey, if the battery life is bad then just see what the devs on here can do. The devs did a great job of optimising the battery on my nexus one. No reason why they can't do it with this.

I'm still on it like a car bonnet
[Nexus 4 General] Rusty!:
The reason the eBay batteries are no better and often worse than stock is because their mAh claims are outright lies.
[Nexus 4 General] CarlosAG10:
I ain't buying again a phone which battery lasts for 6 hours. For God's sake, why do I need 4 CPUs when I can not count with my phone for a complete day?

Definitely will wait for another one with longer battery life

Enviado desde mi HTC Desire usando Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 General] immunityx:
Wish people stop making excuses for the nexus. .. It failed sorry to break your hearts.

Release date is 10 days away...These are the final unit they shipped to reviews. The price is low for a reason... You think you going get a beast for $350? Sorry no...
[Nexus 4 General] SwiftLegend:
I take this claim with a grain of salt. I stopped liking/trusting Engadget. Too Apple biased over there. To me, every article that isn't about Apple has a negative tone in it and they begin bashing the product from the first sentence. Even the pictures are different. Pictures with Apple products are crystal clear but anything else is fuzzy and low quality.
[Nexus 4 General] mELIANTE:
Yeah, I would be pissed too if I had just spent double that or got binded on contract for 2 years and then this came out.
[Nexus 4 General] immunityx:
Money not a issue I was looking to have the nexus4 as well but no thanks.
[Nexus 4 General] -juanito-:
$350 because google doesn't care if they earn money from hardware .. Nexus device is made for Google Play

sorry for my english
[Nexus 4 General] raze599:
In any case whether the slight issues get fixed or not, it definitely outperforms the phones in its price range. Although due to all the reviewers having different software builds it is safe to say there are software related issues going on here.
[Nexus 4 General] jimbob_me:
Nope, The LG Optimus G, which is essentially the same phone, accept with hefty bloaty LG skins manages a pretty good battery life. So its literally only software optimisation thats stopping this phone from being just as good as the rest.

Its the only reason to explain why this phone didnt last as long in reviews as the optimus did.
[Nexus 4 General] immunityx:
Just because they say it has the same specs doesnt mean the same hardware, could had used cheap memory chips, heatsinks, battery, board..etc

Lg optimus g is $550 retail

Nexus 4 is $300/350 retail

:screwy:
[Nexus 4 General] Alicklee:
reason for the no SD card is I believe it has to do with royalty to Microsoft for using there file system they have patent for so by not using it they don't have to pay Ms. This was what was going on in the pass as well. Correct me if I'm wrong someone

Sent from galaxy s2x close by using the force of jedi knight 3 while waiting for my note 2
[Nexus 4 General] raze599:
OK look everybody, here is proof that there are software bugs. Same benchmark.

FIRST PICTURE IS FROM THE TECHCRUNCH REVIEW

NOTE THE SCORE, 4492.

SECOND PICTURE IS FROM SLASHGEAR'S REVIEW

THE SCORE IS NOW 4961.

THESE PHONES ARE RUNNING DIFFERENT SOFTWARE VERSIONS, THIS CLEARLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO BENCHMARK PERFORMANCE.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
:what:

Dude Optimus g get at least about 7000 points -_- :silly:

damn , same cpu get less 8900 point and less 2000 point in ram WTF this **** :eek::eek:

edit : even 3d and 2d points is lower O_o
[Nexus 4 General] nic85:
please stop this sh1t...and wait for final software benchmarks...
[Nexus 4 General] Harry GT-S5830:
The whole point of his post was saying there is still software stability issues, and the difference that big in two different benchmarks proves it.
[Nexus 4 General] Faux Carnival:
Has identical internals as Optimus G but gets lower benchmark scores and worse battery life. With pure Android 4.2 Jelly Bean (which is supposed to be faster than 4.1) and no crap skins. Do you really think this is final software?
[Nexus 4 General] haydonxda:
For a mass market consumer device it really should be final software if they're shipping it in 10 days. If there are going to be significant software improvements right before it ships Google never should have sent them to well known and popular REVIEW sites.

I don't know what's going on but my Galaxy Nexus beats it in browser benchmarks. That's pretty sad.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
i'm start to think they have different cpu's :rolleyes:

but i will wait for official release
[Nexus 4 General] klin1344:
I wonder what Google has to say about the benchmarks...has anyone tried contacting them yet?
[Nexus 4 General] jimbob_me:
A few of the reviews mentioned that the final retail versions will come out with the lockscreen widgets feature. Which was not seen on the review version.

i.e. The phones will ship with a different software version.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Its weird to see high geekbench, yet low others.

(not sure why someone posted the geekbench image I posted from the benchmarks thread into here though)
[Nexus 4 General] eep2378:
Come on guys, we all know benchmarks mean $hit. You can run the same tests on the SAME phone with SAME OS, apps, everything identical and you'll get different scores. They are notoriously unreliable and don't really mean much for everyday use. We are going to use these as smartphones, right? How does it perform in that regard? From what I've read, it performs just as good as the best current crop of phones. I don't want it to be the best device for a particular reviewer, but the best device for ME :)
[Nexus 4 General] whatsandroid:
These benchmark results, everyone is saying that it is low because of unfinished software on the nexus device.

But how can the developers from Quadrant (Aurora Softworks) already support android 4.2 at this state?

It supports the hardware, but what about everything else?

4.2 might not introduce too much features from 4.1, but the framework could differ on some areas, could it not?

i'm not a developer, so correct me if i'm wrong..