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[Nexus 4 General] MyronJ906:
I think that's only if the price is still $350-$400

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the difference between the AT&T Optimus G and the Nexus 4 is:

LTE, Removable storage, chipset, and some software (and obviously cosmetic differences) (source:

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=5062&idPhone2=5048 )

but AT&T is charging $549.99 for that off contract. If the Nexus were that price, with the same features everyone would be pissed.

So what's reasonable? $400 for a 32 GB version? $450 for 32 GB + LTE? At that point why not get the Optimus G?

Oh, wait the whole bootloader thing.

I guess we get to pick our poison

EDIT: I wanted to add that I currently have an AT&T One X, so for me 16 GB with no internal is no problem. AT&T has the One X listed at $499.99 no commitment price.

Comparing my current One XL to the Nexus 4 for better development support/updates from Google vs LTE essentially. I'd say the $150 difference in pricetag is hardly worth the LTE if someone had neither. For the record, my area doesn't have LTE anyway. I doubt we'll have it for a while, according to AT&T's coverage map there isn't much LTE overall in Alabama
[Nexus 4 General] DubelBoom:
I agree!

Also, here in Israel we don't have LTE, and it will take time till there will, so its even better for me because the extra antenna don't take space, wight and battery.

About the storage, 16GB is about enough for me, although I would prefer 32GB... Waiting for the first company to make microUSB micro flash drives ;)
[Nexus 4 General] iWannaBeAdored:
I'm sure the highest speed I've had in my city is 1.5Mbps so I really don't care about LTE and I've never had issues with loading webpages etc. Everything seems to load quick enough.

Regarding the crack, the last two phones I've used are the iPhone 4 and 4S since the iPhone 4 launch and I've never cracked the glass. The odd hairline scratch, yeah, but nothing that catches my eye. I think Josh was just unlucky this time.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
I think in the end it might be more of an America-centric rather than Apple-centric view.

As a Canadian my views tilt the same way. On LTE, it is rolling out everywhere and is a huge boost over crowded HSPA networks. On price, it is actually more expensive to procure than any other phone that my carrier offers on contract terms (and in my case they are offering a renewal to me right now). Yes you can play the prepaid and negotiating games, but most people are on the term contract model for better or worse.
[Nexus 4 General] Scott_HKR:
I had to chuckle at their review tbh.

The LTE thing really is annoying to me, because LTE is useless to anyone outside of the US anyways, and living in the UK I will be fine haha.

And secondly the glass made me laugh, because if someone drops a cuboid of glass on a wooden floor, I would be staggered if it did not show any sign of damage.

Comical.
[Nexus 4 General] digweed4me:
Don't ever listen to verge and Engadget they both Have stock on Apple so they always downplay android and Windows Phone. Boycott Verge and Engadget I thought ppl already know about these scumbags. We don't need these scumbags to do the review for us we will all know we get our hands on this beast.
[Nexus 4 General] gideonMorrison:
I actually thought Techcrunch did a great and fair review. Cheers to them.
[Nexus 4 General] manlisten:
IDK about that. Topolsky has been a pretty big advocate of Android. He even said in the review that he feels Android is the most advanced mobile OS on the market.

I think he was just really looking forward to the Nexus 4 as his next device and the lack of Lte was like a kick in the balls. That said I thought the review was pretty fair.
[Nexus 4 General] xxKamikazexx:
Yeah, that review sucked big harry monkey balls.... all I got from it is him crying for lte... I'm perfectly fine with my 30 mbps down speeds on T-Mobile. I would gladly take this phone!
[Nexus 4 General] ET3RNA4:
Reviewers really need to shut the heck up about the entire LTE thing...Or if they are making a bad argument for it, they should give both sides. Maybe Google didn't add LTE because it is a battery killer, maybe it's so they can get they're service outside the US and to countries where LTE isn't popular, and make people that live in Australia pay an additional $50 per phone for a service that they can't even use. Seems idiotic to me whoever complains about LTE service...
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
To be fair at the conclusion he does say if you don't need/want LTE get the phone.
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
Just wait for a dev to make a kernel for this phone and get ready to see over 2 billion score on quadrant! :D
[Nexus 4 General] jahmgwapo:
Uh oh. Kinda worried for the back. Whether it breaks easily or not, the point is it does break.
[Nexus 4 General] JDYx:
I don't really understand what is wrong with 5Mbits down, that's fine for browsing, watching videos, updating apps etc. My home broadband is slower than that and it's ok for everything apart from big file downloads (programs, isos) which you aren't going to do on a phone anyway. LTE is unesscary tbh
[Nexus 4 General] jahmgwapo:
I am even enjoying my 1Mbit down here at home. LTE isn't really a deal breaker but since everyone is having, it's a plus for NX4. Overall, it won't matter.
[Nexus 4 General] Jamal Ahmed:
The back should not be easily broken unless it is dropped in a Stone, with uneven edges.because the back and front glass I'd protected by protruding corners. Google was not stupid to leave an otherwise such a big design flaw
[Nexus 4 General] c0LdFire:
...do you have a screenshot of 30mbps down speeds on T-Mobile's network? I don't think that's possible unless you're making physical contact with the tower and destroyed every other phone on their network within 20 miles.
[Nexus 4 General] davwman:
I've hit 28 with a gs2. It's not unheard of.
[Nexus 4 General] Q.Entity:
Don't care about LTE. What I care about is the world phone part. When I travel I just swap SIM cards...

Those reviews are mostly useless.

I am.getting it because is a Nexus phone and we all know what that means.

If I don't like it, I will give to someone and buy something else.

Skickat från min Nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] Peyman_dinani:
I read about 5 reviews and in most cases I found these complains:

- Battery is below average.

- screen is a bit washed out.

- main speaker is below average.

- Having glass in the back (subjective)

but if we agree upon the fact that many of its components are based on optimus G then I believe most of the issues are software side not hardware side.

- Battery is below average. (It is probably because of 4.2 and the fact that it is not the final version since optimus G has a decent battery.)

- screen is a bit washed out. (Optimus G has the same screen and there is no problem with the screen being washed out. Once again it is probably because of 4.2 and its unfinished state)

- main speaker is below average. (It probably is)

- Having glass in the back (subjective)
[Nexus 4 General] osi13:
I don't think 30Mb down is ideal. I saw 12-17Mb down while in Charleston/Isle of Palms, SC, which was very impressive, considering the fact that the Galaxy Nexus can only do 21Mb. Anyway, I have 30Mb down cable at my house, and it's extremely reliable, unlike wireless. I average 7-9Mb down in my area with T-Mobile. I've been using T-Mobile for 4 months now, and I can't complain about the service, especially for the price. I route SIP calls over T-Mobile's network, when I'm away from WiFi, and usually have zero issues with SIP calling. I use more than 1000 minutes per month, because of my PBX server. If I considered T-Mobile to be sub-par, I would have left a long time ago for Straight Talk, and AT&T, but T-Mobile has been great, and it allows me to save $15 over the best MVNO.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Bad? read engadget's review, it's disgusting.
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
What's got my worried about all these reviews is the "main speaker is below average" and I don't know how true this actually is.
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
I really can't get over what a confusing mess these reviews are. I was all set for this thing, have a buyer in line for my S3 and now I am reading reviews that are all over the place. Very annoying. I love Google software but man they need to step it up when it comes to releasing hardware. Different software revisions for the reviewers, poorly optimized code? wut?

I still have trouble buying into the software being THAT bad. They gave the phones to reviewers, why on earth wouldn't the say "hey, please tell your readers performance and battery improvements are on the way!"

Just really annoyed that performance and battery are still so questionable even with so many reviews out. So we either have to hope for updated reviews, or just buy in hopes that this phone isn't a turd. I like LTE on my S3 but I'd overlook it if this damn phone was performing like it should be.
[Nexus 4 General] KentuckyHouse:
This is the only thing that's bothering me. No LTE? We don't have it where I live so I couldn't care less. The battery? I'm sure that's because of the non-final software.

But the speaker is a big one for me. Typically, when I'm in my work truck, I'll use the speaker instead of holding the phone to my ear. My S3 has an excellent speaker and I was hoping the Nexus 4 would too. I don't care about playing music through it (I don't even keep music on my phones), but I need to be able to use it as an actual phone.
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
Agreed, the speaker on the S3 is excellent. Borders on legit loud.
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
last thing you should worry about is the software, really. specially that this isn't a major update (like Gingerbread to ICS). the spec sheet screams. that's all that matters for a Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
I loved the video The Verge did on youtube, because it was only people from google talking. They did a great job with the shots and editing. The person who did the written review had great writing skills, but wow did he suck at giving a review. I say, get a case or don't drop your phone. No matter what phone you drop it's going to put a ding and ruin the whole new phone thing for you. Also WTF is up with those benchmark scores?? I know they are wayy better than that. Benchmark scores now show it topping the Note 2.
[Nexus 4 General] Lockeskidney:
what confuses me the most is what was google thinking knowing all the reviewers were going to run these benchmarks. didnt they stop and try to run these devices through the paces to see these inconsistencies. Out of all the employees working on these phones not one stopped and said lets see where these are against the marketplace??
[Nexus 4 General] scandalousk:
Was really looking forward to this phone. But the non replaceable battery and the no-go on a external sd-card killed it for me. I don't really care about LTE and the glass since I dont have LTE available to me yet, and I am really careful with my stuff. Either way, I use cases anyway.

Hoping the rumor of other companies also producing a nexus phone is true and incorporate the expandable battery and sd card feature. But I'm afraid that leaving out those two things are part of the guidelines the companies have to follow if they want to qualify to produce a nexus product.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
benchmarks aren't everything, according to reviews, especially the Verne's review, it performs like a champ, second to none and that's what matters. The real fun starts when we get the kernels and roms.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Geekbench puts the Nexus 4 ahead of all the competition

So, not all benches for the pre release software are showing low results
[Nexus 4 General] Lockeskidney:
no i completely understand benchmarks arent the be all to end all but im perplexed by the fact google would not run the ones these early reviews were going to do so they could see these issues (different fps etc)

every android forum i go to is going nuts over all these battery and cpu issues
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
I hear you but google's priority isn't benchmark, it's to make sure the phone runs the software very well and I think it does that.

Once it's released, I think people are gonna chill and like the device. It's a nexus, it's gonna be successful for sure and I'm not talking about sales figures.
[Nexus 4 General] BravoMotorola:
I still think it will have huge sales figures. Only $300 with not contract makes it very easy for everyone to afford it all.
[Nexus 4 General] Lockeskidney:
i think its just frustrating that all these software issues are preventing this phone from shining early. Again we are still 10 days out so they could still work on them but never the less to see the internet go nuts over its lack luster numbers is annoying. Not to mention the fact the glass cracked
[Nexus 4 General] evohog:
So it has no lte? Who gives a crap dillhole! Im beating a dead horse but the verge needs to slap some sense into that dipstick. That was one of the worst reviews ive ever seen, probably has an iphone 5 in his pocket

N2
[Nexus 4 General] Lockeskidney:
He does
[Nexus 4 General] Phorce:
Second thoughts..

Currently using a Nexus S and the Nexus 4 would have and might still be my next phone.

The Nexus 4 is almost identical to the Optimus G and yet it's slower, the GSII is faster than the GNexus, the Nexus S is missing features from the Galaxy S line, I smell Nexus sabotage! :silly:
[Nexus 4 General] ky0nkyon:
Engadget is so biased towards Apple. You can't praise Android there or say criticism of any sort towards Apple or your comment will be deleted.

My life for Aiur
[Nexus 4 General] darkamikaze:
Everyone keeps saying bias this bias that. Calm yo beards. They are giving an opinion on the phone. Take it or leave it sheesh. At this rate every tech website is biased.

ANY phone I've come across has its own set of drawbacks. Nothing will ever come to perfection because if it did we would not have advancing technology. No one is entirely biased. They're just sharing an opinion doesn't make them biased
[Nexus 4 General] bozzykid:
Actually he's been using a Galaxy Nexus as his main phone for many months. If you watch the VergeCast every week you would see it setting in front of him pretty much every show.
[Nexus 4 General] onthecouchagain:
I'm planning on getting this phone. Having said that, I think Google really did fumble by releasing unfinished software early to reviewers.

The layman or average consumer doing quick research on the Nexus 4 will only read "poor battery" and be turned off by the device. They won't know or care about "unfinished software builds." This is quite a big fumble by Google in trying to establish and spread the Nexus smartphone branding.
[Nexus 4 General] arzbhatia:
Oh wow he already broke the glass. :\

"That glass covering is cause for concern, however. While testing the phone, I accidentally knocked the device off of my dining table and onto a hardwood floor... cracking the glass on the back."
[Nexus 4 General] ap3604:
OMG! :eek:

You mean electronics will get damaged if you drop them on a hardwood floor?! :(

Who knew?
[Nexus 4 General] arzbhatia:
haha chill out. my gnex didnt break when it fell on concrete from shoulder height, and im 6ft haha. face down btw.
[Nexus 4 General] cheeto0:
One odd thing in the video was when he said that the zoom added to gmail was something that iphone had for a long time. I found that really odd because he doesn't seem to point that about Apple devices when they add features that have been on android a long time. Which is most of their new features the last 2 years.
[Nexus 4 General] enviii:
I think it's because the Gmail zoom issue on Android was a massive one. Apples had it since the start, why didn't google?

Sent from my One X
[Nexus 4 General] wngmv:
Not because notification bar (insert other issues here) issue on iOS was a massive one. Android had it since the start, why didn't Apple?
[Nexus 4 General] Q.Entity:
If it is not from Apple, Engadget hates it...

Skickat från min Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
hahahaha even google made their apps better on ios than android ( WTF )

look @ google search - YouTube - gmail - chrome all of this apps are better on ios

or maybe java really sucks compared to C# and Objective-C :(:( + imo java is sources hogger
[Nexus 4 General] jahmgwapo:
Java does really suck.
[Nexus 4 General] wngmv:
Are you even aware that there isn't a Youtube app anymore on iOS (anymore)? Or your Apple Map directed you to an alternative universe?
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
O_o

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8

LOL google maps is amazing ( and its amazing battery hogger too ) :(
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Seriously, are you just trolling with all your apple crap?
[Nexus 4 General] FISKER_Q:
Chrome? Haha, no.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
my apple -_-

i'm the biggest hater for crapple in the world

and Sorry for OT

btw did u saw my sign ??
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Was just checking :) lol
[Nexus 4 General] thegregulator:
I used to be one of the people that said I was fine with HSPA+. After all, for web browsing it's perfectly capable. However, after using LTE for a few months, it's going to be very difficult to migrate back. I completely understand why Google and LG omitted LTE on this handset, but there's a reason why pretty well every flagship phone in North America has it. Because it's awesome.
[Nexus 4 General] 0.0:
But don't you have to be in an area that supports it? As more people are on it, doesn't it get a little slower with all the traffic? Hspa+ is alright with me since T-Mobile has 42mbps. Better than at&t

Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 4G
[Nexus 4 General] Chad_Petree:
I love how the iphone had glass back for two years and they never said anything about breaking and now that the nexus 4 has it, they´re saying it will break very soon, talk about beingimpartial, but being serious i think yes the glass is a problem, im going to have to use a case from day one

Also the iphone 4s had the same design as the iphone 4 and now the nexus 4 looks really similar to the galaxy nexus and they say its boring and that google is playing safe , apple gets away with everything i guess.

Also every other review says the screen is beautiful and even on the verge they gave the optimus g a 9 in the screen department and the nexus 4 with an identical screen gets an 8 .... :confused::cowboy:
[Nexus 4 General] thegregulator:
Yes, you do have to be in an area that supports LTE to use it. And yes, it will slow down when more people start using it, but even when that happens it will still be quicker than HSPA+. I'm not saying it's a deal breaker that the Nexus 4 doesn't support LTE. I'm suggesting that the people saying they wouldn't want LTE on the phone anyways possibly haven't tried it and don't know how great it is.

As for your T-Mobile comment, we don't have a 42mbps HSPA+ network here in Canada. If we did this would be a no brainer for me.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dervish666:
As in really bricked.

It was working all day, used it as a sat nav on the way home from work, when I got home took it out my pocket and tried to turn it on. Nothing, the notification LED was pulsing white but no reaction from the screen or capacitive buttons.

Pulled battery, plugged back in with no reaction. Tried another battery, nothing. Plugged in, nothing.

It's still within warranty so I've arranged for samsung to fix it, which they are happy to do. Only problem is, is the flash counter is probably > 100 and I have no way of resetting it.

1/ Considering I get no reaction from the phone at all, I'm guessing a jig is no good to me.

2/ Are samsung likely to notice or care that it is currently running CM 10 (probably yesterdays or the day befores nightly)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] speedyjay:
So is the device completely non responsive?? If so then Samsung will just wipe and flash the device in whatever way they do so. I really wouldn't worry about the flash counter buddy :)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tufftoad:
1. A jig may still work and probably worth the little money trying.

2. Samsung will care and generally won't help you if you flashed a custom rom....unless you get someone who doesn't know what they are doing....which is very possible. At worse they will send your phone back as they received it.

Let us know how things go on.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dervish666:
Thanks, I was going to go and buy the bits to make one, but found one on ebay for 99p so I'll try that.

I'm not too fussed if samsung notice and refuse to fix it, it is possible that it was something I have done to it has borked it, even though I hadn't flashed anything new for a couple of days. Besides, I knew that rooting and flashing invalidates the warranty, for good reason, they are perfectly in their rights to refuse. If they tell me it will be a charge to fix it I will pay it (as long as it's not too extortionate).
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] r34p3rex:
Just got my S3 yesterday in anticipation of running ARLiberator with my AppRadio 2 headunit to have a full fledge android experience in my car :D

Tried out AOKP as I've had nothing but good experiences in the past on my other devices. Then I found out Allshare Cast isn't available on AOKP and is only on Sammy TW ROMs :(

I'm planning on connecting the phone to my AppRadio with the Allshare Cast Dongle so that was a dealbreaker for me. Running JB747 M7 for now.. definitely not as customizable as AOKP. ALso not a big fan of the cartoony UI in the TW ROMs :(

Allshare Cast requires TW Frameworks right? Any chance a hybrid ROM could be put together? :p
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Dankest:
I doubt there will ever be a hybrid. Solely because the devs who make aosp did so because of the fact that they disliked touchwiz layout or features. If your looking for an all share cast type app look no further. Just search Imediashare on appstore works the same but for every modern TV not just Samsung TVs.

AT&T SGS3

ParanoidKangDroid 1.1.0 ROM

KT747 10/31 OC'ed & UV'ed

Medical MJ Supporter
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] thacounty:
4.2 is going to offer miracast. Wait for a miracast option for your AR2 and you will be set.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] r34p3rex:
Is Allshare Cast pretty much the same as miracast?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] thacounty:
From what I read Allsharecast does what Miracast does, but is proprietary to Sammy. Best I understand Miracast is a full mirroring of the phone on a display, sans wires, just like allsharecast. I am pretty excited about all the incredible things 4.2 had to offer behind the scenes. Now I have to find something so I can miracast to my Sony TV.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] joeyl:
I was on AOSP roms for a while but then realized that I missed the direct call and palm mute apps of the TW. So I was wishing for the same thing
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] r34p3rex:
Yah, I had my AOKP customized all nicely until I realized Allshare was gone :(

Really wish it would be as simple as stripping some APKs out from stock rom and installing them :p
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] md1008:
On T-Mobile I believe they have some aospish roms which look like aosp/cm9/10 but really are touchwiz. I believe the reason is not necessarily because of TW features but because for what ever reason non TW that I know of (maybe it's changed since I last looked) take advantage of the hspa+42, so you can still have vanilla android along with 20/mbps download time. The most I got on cm10 was about 8 mbps where as on the wiz I have gotten up to 23mbps although I average about 7-15

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Also it maybe safe to flash T-Mobile but I wouldn't do it with out confirming first. I have flashed a few AT&T roms on here with no issue.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] thacounty:
Do not flash a TMo Rom. Bad things will probably happen.