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[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
I'm guessing this tuber noise ain't gonna go anywhere soon. Hiding behind a wide cover (moving sideways) and sniping them seem to do the trick. They gave up and switched to normal guns after a few kills. Same goes for campers. Called giving them a taste of their own medicine :P

@R3dbeaver: great guide :)

Just to add a few points if you don't mind.

1. Once you have C in Palace, it's much easier to defend from the hallway too. People tend to defend from the small corridors, but it's much easier to shoot people down from the hallway. I guess you will be exposed, but moving around seem to avoid most of the bullets (they'll have a hard time aiming at you too, mind). Prevents any sort of attempt of breach even before they start and gives your team a room to breath.

2. Health at 200 seem a it high as I kill with a single shot to the body with my sniper at 99 damage. No headshots. They were near their spawn point so I'm pretty sure they weren't injured. On occasions I've seen headshots from fully upgraded Agony kill instantly too.

3. Ammo kit gives you 10 points per set of three refills. Never used med pack myself so won't know that one.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] krazeecracker:
OP updated. Needs a reorganization IMO. Anyone wanna suggest a new layout?
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] Awesoham:
Any tuber avoidance tips?

*sees another wall of text coming *
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
Usually I can see it coming and just dodge it, but up close its just luck.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] -SW-:
Try to keep your distance and shoot them far away. But a skilled tuber will still get you so all in all it's difficult to avoid them, especially if you accidentally run into one. Take advantage of the reload time and kill them, you might not survive a second shot.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] t_007_v2:
Keep distance best advice when dealing with tubes. Let them get close and they will shoot the floor right out from under you. Don't zig zag keep to moving in a half circle while they keep missing you keep shooting that agony. Not having to reload is your friend.

The snow map in zc taking the open ground strategy. Mine involves turrets that will suppress and have the enemy seek shelter. When you come out of the tunnel and all the enimes are are hiding and shooting blindly from the right place a turret at the bottom of the wall facing the zone point. After placing the turret seek shelter and heal up. Then stand behind the turret and blast them straight to hell. Others on your team will see what you are attempting and will place their turrets in the same fashion. Doing this will weaken the opposing force enough to rush them and take the zone.

Think about it three players deploy 3 turrets facing the z point while the rest straff and nade you have overwhelming firepower. The most crucial step is for as many players to stay in the cone of influence as possible. If you don't change that zone point quickly they will re spawn and then your f.....

This strategy takes teamwork but when executed correctly you will take that zone every time. Cheers
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] R3dbeaver:
I never mind. But that 200 health thing, im reaaaaly curious what the real number is.

Plus what multiplier headshot has.

I picked 200 for the reason i mentioned in my post, but i never use a sniper... So i dont know. Maybe sniper has different multiplier?

But i doubt the health is 100 because 2 body shots with my fully upgraded agony does not kill anyone with full health. That im sure.

Headshot, im not sure... If its double multi, than 100 health will get killed. But if triple, and still 1 shot, maybe its 150?
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] Awesoham:
Great guide there PecelAyam. I use a sniper most of the time, so can I help?
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] t_007_v2:
A headshot is self explanatory. Headshot doesn't matter if you have 200hp or 20,000 as in life if you get shot in the head your instantly DEAD. Imo a players hp is around 180. The chitstorm 2 can get you with one shot and that damage is what 180 or something close to that?

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Sorry to say but your wrong about the osog killing with one shot. I have been hit by the osog countless times trying to take the bridge. Yes the osog will red me pretty good but if my health is at 100 percent you will not drop me. If your dropping a player with a osog bullet it's because he's hurt in some degree. The surgeon with damage at 180 is one shot your dead. Chitstorm 2 damage at 180 is one shot your dead. Pretty obvious were a players hp is at imo.

Fudgeurpizzy
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] kanivier:
We all agree that Noob Tubers are very annoying this is how to gang up on em
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
@t_007_v2: Ah well.. I really cant care much about how much health.. They drop dead with a correctly placed shot on the head/body and I'm happy as a bunny. No need to splash all that money on the surgeon :)
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] -SW-:
Maybe the damage formula is damage * accuracy/100 * vital factor. I guess since the head is more vital you multiply the formula by some number that increases the damage.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] t_007_v2:
look at the NOOB TUBER aiming at the FLOOR!!! a classic shot of those pathetic douche bags lmfao!!!!
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] kanivier:
Yeah they don't miss with such shots.... They suck full time
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] sdvsf:
I hate those noob tubers, thats why i celebrate each time i pond them to the ground and kill one of them.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] R3dbeaver:
Kinda doubt it. Accuracy is simply how accurate it is, and depends on how good ur skill at landing those bullets is.

And vital factor could be directly related to headshot multiplier.

Im starting to think hp is 150, not 200 but not sure if MF would pick a weird half way number like 180.

And i agree with fudge. A direct body shot with osog does not kill.

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So a headshot is one hit kill with ANY weapon? Highly doubt it. I could spray someone with a bandit right on their head and they wont die.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] -SW-:
You know what the formula is missing? Some sort of factor for effective distance. Like some weapons are only effective to a certain distance but you could still kill them outside that distance.

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The chance of getting a head shot is directly related to the power of the weapon, and the accuracy as well. That's why you get head shots easily with the sniper. My guess is the formula for the likelihood of a head shot is [(accuracy/100)+(Damage/200)]/2. Then multiply by 100%

That would mean you have a 94% Chance of getting a head shot when you fire a surgeon at the head.

The OSOG has a 74% Chance, and the Bandit a 44.6% Chance

I dunno I'm just guessing :p
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] t_007_v2:
A headshot has everything to do with skill and a whole heap of luck to hit that tiny hit box for a headshot to register. Accuracy is important because where you aim is where you want the bullet to go why warmonger sucks at distant targets. doubt what you like but the fact is a headshot in mc3, mc4, cod blah blah is all the same it's a instant kill with any weapon. Use a ice pick 22 to a 9mm round if it goes into the head good night. show me a few combat situations where a solider got shot in the head and can keep fighting? It's common sense that if you get hit in the head your out period. Body, arms, legs you can keep going till you bleed out but the head no way just to much going on up there. Yes it's a game but even games have to follow rules players expects to see. I see a headshot tag and your still coming I'm going WTF is this crap? Why the mafia, assassins (cia) pump a round in the head because it's a guarantee your not coming back around.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] R3dbeaver:
The treason for my reasoning is exactly that. I'm a pro BF3 player and CS. K the secrets out lol. And in those game, including CoD on some have what we call headshot multiplier. It's exactly not how the real world works obviously but game dev have to make some differences to make a game playable.

So maybe, just maybe, its unlike MC3 MC4 where headshot is 1 hit kill.

Whether the hitbox is extremely small or there a double multiplier, that's what i want to know. What i do know u can shoot more than 1 bullet to someone's head and they don't die. No headshot indicator though so maybe lag? Who knows other than MF?
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] PhantasmRezound:
XDA players will know once we arrange a DM or a ZC with cooperating players on opposing sides. Then conduct a comprehensive experiment of weapon shots and interpret the data with the existing weapon spreadsheets...
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
Does the notification tell us when we get headshots but not manage to kill? I though they only let us know if we did kill with headshot..
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
First game I've played in a while. Results in a kickass comeback. Was down 60ish to 140. Came down to 7 and 3 and won :)

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[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
And U still haven't accepted my friend request. . .unless I spelled it wong
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Dont see one so i think you spelt it wrong should only be crystylizd not [XDA]crystylizd as that is what i changed it to after we had the idea for clan tags :).
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] t_007_v2:
Has anyone played against zaoldyeck1 lately?? Lmfao. I think his arse got reset to zzzzzz big 0!

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One of the players that was on your team Danielduong or whatever the hell his name is I caught cheating big time. I'm getting shot in the back turn around and there is a tip of a poop shooter sticking out of the wall. Go into spec and catch that kid red handed. being rank 35 he should know better... I have some pretty pictures to post on the mf forums recommending xp RESET.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] R3dbeaver:
Looking forward to that. Thats how i build my clan BF3 weap sheet.

Gangs update cant come soon enough.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] jaystone:
I don't think he has played since he was reset. Fearme1 apparently played a little. I would post a pic showing them on my friends list but I'm too new here....

Why'd you quit the match in the palace earlier? It ended up being really good with C going back and forth a few times.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
Was in a game with kaldaris...then my n7 froze as I was shooting somebody. Made a buzzing sound, from speaker, then reset about 20sec later. Was doing good. Kaldaris will drop a health box and just ruin the other team haha
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
My favourite map :) we somehow lost zone c like a minute after you left, but still managed to hold on. You were great! Was sad to see to you drop.

It's all about weapons and ammo/health refills lol.. Maybe get extra item space to fit nades in. Sentries do me no good.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] R3dbeaver:
Just had a round with xda churchjr... Sorry church, had to stole ur win :)

Joined halfway in Palace. Didnt have C. Half the ticket of the other team. But we got em!
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
I'm glad U were there, ur health drops helped. :D we had them pushed back to B ..I guess I was the turning point :p
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] t_007_v2:
I jump from vice city to dz and vise a versa sorry to jump out on you Bro. Till the update drops I play a few matches then jump to something else. Cheers
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] alixandre:
post that picture on madfinger forum
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
You really were. One guy was taking cover in zone c the whole time for crying out loud.. But it was quite easy to pick off any incomers in the hallway. (Unless you're an xda gang brave enough to run and skilled enough to dodge bullets).

That reminds me, R3dbeaver, maybe add a part about not hiding edgeways behind pillars in palace? They just give your position away too easily.. More kills for me though ;p
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] azoller1:
What clan tags!!?!? When was this! Lol...
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
[xda] tag. Easy to spot
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] jaystone:
Done
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Glad I'm not the only one having these issues.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
Holy crap, just did it again. Froze. Is it getting to hot? I have GPU @600. CPU max 1.3. A23 kernel 666
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Its not getting too hot... Mine was barely warm to the touch, are you using the touch controls?

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[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
yes, and sometime it felt like touch didnt work. i go to walk and it would do nothing, or throw a nade and id have to hit that button like a couple times.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] R3dbeaver:
I'm on m+ a23 666 gpu 650 cpu max 1.5

No crashes. Not hot. On touch.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
I was on Trinity when it happened with my GPU at 520 and CPU at 1.4Ghz. Ondemand gov. I thought I was over these stupid Radom freezes and reboots. :mad:

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[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] R3dbeaver:
Aiyaaah... i was ok with nubtuber, but when its cheater nubtuber, that just drives me up the wall. Seriously people, how easy do you want to do it?

And there were two of them too.... on the same wall. Same team.

Screenshot will be posted.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] t_007_v2:
Had a aaaahhhh moment on a glitcher

Port map had a arse from the other team infiltrate my side just to get into the walls. Seen the bullets come from the usual spot so I spec and then re spawn... Head right for the hole and straight for the cheater. Must have been using radar because the savvy Cheater was waiting for me interesting surprise for sure. Re spawn because fudge isn't failing TWICE! Mofo was waiting for me again but I smacked the cheat down with a HEADSHOT! The next spawn that same pos was "trying" to get on my side to get back into the walls. Gunned the pos DOWN till Ellisd Disconnected. That's my story! (:

don't these pos see that this ruins the experience FOR ALL? So stoked to see zaoldyeck1 and Fearme1 get smacked down to 0!
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Just played for a while with Franco kernel GPU at 600mhz, no freezing just the usual force closes I get when using touch screen and control.

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[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] Larry94:
Anyone else have difficulties joining friends with this game? Me and all my friends always show up as 'Last online: Unknown'
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Because you can't.

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[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] alixandre:
thanks :good:
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] cabagekiller:
Add me. Just started playing game name is Cabagekiller
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] Awesoham:
Heh. I just played a match with XDA doublin. My first with a clan member.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
I went back to beta 6 and it froze playing beach buggy blitz. So I set the GPU at 500 and so far so good.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
Noy sure of the health topic is still on but just confirming osog sniping on a newly spawned enemy kills. I'm guessing body shot does more than shoulder shot.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
all i know is the snipers on snow ZC are insane. and turrets are getting more and more. like a whole team had them one time. and they get more kills then the actual person.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
Never encountered any problematic turrets settlements as of yet. Just rush on to the bridge and majority of the times snipers arent skilled enough to shoot you down. Agony more useful or juat snipe them yourself then rush again ;)
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] alixandre:
easy to eliminate turrets using EMP grenade.

in fact ...i want to throw EMP grenade right on pooptuber's face if they can kill those s*ckers
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] R3dbeaver:
So, no headshot indicator, one hit, kills?

Hmmm if thats the case, maybe it is 99...

Or, we're looking more than just 2 hit points. Body damage more than arm/leg but less than head. With each multiplier. Interesting.

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In other news, noobtuber is indeed getting out of control. Just played with xda member last night and it's all tubers except both of us. And I got my ass handed to me.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
Yup. No headshot. Hit to the chest and the guy disintegrated, seconds after he respawned. Kinda felt a bit sorry.. I shot another clean respawn near the shoulder, the guy stumbled as you do when you get hit, but didnt die.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] R3dbeaver:
Whoa... so there body hitbox, head, and limbs? Very interesting!

So maybe,

Headshot is one hit kill or 3x multiplier

Body is 2x multiplier

Limbs is normal

Health is 150

That would explain headshot always kill, 99 dmg osog is one shot body, and agony takes 3 bullets to body.

Also, observing last night, i killed fresh spawns with agony in sometimes 2 bullets. Or rather, one, but i did not see a headshot indicator... so perhaps its 2 body shots but the sound lags and i hear only one. And with double multiplier, agony hits 120 per bullet...
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
Starting to make a bit of sense, though we're never gonna be sure till MF confirms. Cant wait till i get home. Trying to play on 3g network is a pain with my network provider..
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] R3dbeaver:
I'm doing good if playing on my RAZR on H+ connection. The small screen sucks though lol
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
Yeah. It's all good if I'm on H+ but about 70% of the times, it's 3G or H. Worse if I'm on the move. If anyone chooses a network in the uk, don't use Three. End of.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] Awesoham:
That's how we make gaming a science. :cowboy:
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
I do throw the emp on them. But when you the only one who has them, it can be point less
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
Kinda gets pointless if opponents have enough turrets? You gotta die before you get another set to throw.. Rather stick with my trusty Agony and OSOG (with unlimited ammo, mind) and shoot any people who laid the turrets in the first place and they'd disappear naturally :)

Having Health + Ammo packs theoretically means you can go a whole match without a single death :$ lol
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] alixandre:
yeh... i know how u feel. if i'm in that situation usually i wait for them until they set a couple of turrets and sometime mines too then i throw EMP nade, then throw flash nades at them and rush in and spray my lovely fully upgrades doomhammer bullets tright on their faces :D
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] naturist:
This game would be no fun anymore. Saw someone posted this to madfinger:<br>Deadzone hacks and cheats :(http://deadzonehack.blogspot.in/2012/12/shadow-gun-deadzone-has-played-enough.html
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
I just discovered that glitch unintentionally :o leaning against the pillar and walking back and forth. Didn't mean to lean against the wall and walked back real quick and *swoop* into the wall.

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[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] t_007_v2:
Don't use it bro.... I know where they are as well. True players can get the job done without cheating or using the noob tube.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Oh trust me purely unintentionally, I don't plan to use it I rather not have to go back to rank 0.

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[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] t_007_v2:
broke 3,000,000 xp today on 21,400+ kills. no tubes no cheating all pure all the time.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] azoller1:
Woe that's impressive....
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] alixandre:
congratz

[XDA] myD*ck
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] Metallice:
No this is a good thing... the more people who cheat... the more likely madfinger will actually do something about it.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] kanivier:
I knew this since beta but I decided to play fair there's also video showing how to do it on YouTube..... Actually the premium account was also having a glitch too free subscription
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] krazeecracker:
Exactly. I highly advise against any xda members doing these though. Don't want us to have a bad rep
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
Congratz :)

While we're on this topic, is the kill:death numbers lifelong achievement or for recent games? I can't count my kills but I'm pretty sure I died more than 67 times in the 44 hours I played..
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
The deaths are inaccurate, pretty sure the kills are pretty spot on though.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] cabagekiller:
Who all here uses a controller? I'm assuming most do. Makes it so much easier.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
I do :) found my sweet spot for sensitivity. Been playing all my games with a controller to keep me used to it.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
Not me. Seems I need a otg cable. Can't just Bluetooth my ps3 controller
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
You can.. you need the sixaxis control app and root :)
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
i did, but it say to connect it with a cable
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Nah all you need is a computer and their program from pixelstudios. Download and install their sixaxis pair tool and run it. Then with your ps3 cable hook it up to the computer then it should install the driver and show up the Master BT address, then when you open the app at the bottom in gray it should show you your phones BT address Enter that in the text box on the pc program and update the BT master address. Then once its done go ahead and start the app when it says listening for controls hit the ps3 home button and enjoy! :D Having an OTG is just convienent for well.. On The Go.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
i did that also, but the sixaxis box just sat there and said installing driver, i left it for over an hour. im goin try the old sixaxis program and see how it works,.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Odd i can send you mine, if you wanna try it.. its been sitting on my computer for a while now so it must not be the latest.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
trying it right now, i have my ps3 controller hooked up and SIXAXIS program running and it just says searching. . .
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Wow... i just tried as well ended up aborting and never did anything -_-
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
im running sixaxispairtool 0.2.3 and i plug in my controller and it installs the drivers, then it sits at the SIXAXIS Pair Tool box, just says installing driver.. in my device manager it says playstation controller so the driver is there.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] krazeecracker:
Grab the v 0.1 or 1.0 its on his site
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] cabagekiller:
Winning? Haha damn cannot attach photos
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] mulletcutter:
i tried 0.1 also, but im going give it 10 minuets and see what happens, then try the .1
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] metalwraith:
I use a controller, unless I happen to be out & about then if there's a wifi connection in the area I'll go a round with the screen.
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] xcly:
I'm annoyed i can't take a screenshot when in the game by swiping.. The three button combo doesn't work well.. Anyway, found a guy called headshot1 underneath the hallway in palace map, but screenshot didn't work. Keep a lookout. Bullets flying up from the floor lol
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Three button combo? its only two.. power button and volume down. Since ICS :silly:
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
LMFAO got put in a room with 10-15 levels.

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[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] cabagekiller:
....was just in a room where everyone on the other team only used nubtubes and turrets.......
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] Xelstyle:
And here I was, starting to feel proud of myself. Way to ruin it for me.

Finally have 3 slots for items. Being able to toss both anti personnel and anti turret grenades is just a blessing. No longer am I tempted to kick them.

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