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[Asus Transformer TF700] jjdevega:
How is the BT audio streaming on CleanRom while streaming Hulu or Netflix? Is the out of sync lag still apparent or is it a lost cause due to hardware?
[Asus Transformer TF700] ShadowLea:
I'm using stock everything, but I'm perfectly happy with this tablet.

So, I have to wait 5 seconds when opening the stock browser. Which is exactly what Firefox and Chrome do on Windows, too. Used to it.

Copying files internally is a little slow. Yes. Wow. Ever tried copying 10gb of photos on Windows? ETA about 2 hours on XP, 5 hours with the ridiculous 'calculating' W7 does. Over USB it goes as fast as internally on my pc itself. Don't see the issue.

It crashes maybe once every other week. Again, I'm used to Windows.

WiFi works fine, JB actually improved it for me.

25GB MKV (Timescapes 4K) plays without any lag in MXplayer when on performance mode. 3GB MKV's work fine in balanced mode.

I haven't had any whitescreens, only the very occasional line (three times since JB update when it came out.) and not a single game lags.

Maybe it's because I'm used to WinXP, or I have more patience (haha..), or I'm just lucky, but it works fine for me. And I photoshop, Game (hardcore, not casual), watch videos, type and whatnot all day long. So it's not a lack of use, either.

I do not expect my tablet to do more than my gaming PC. It's a mobile device, not a bloody Quantum computer.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Einride:
If your Windows installation crashes "every other week" there's something wrong with your installation; hardware or software. Maybe you're running Windows 98?

Windows has gotten pretty damn stable over the last few years. It's far from perfect and sure, driver issues can cause reboots, but they're usually solved with a driver update. With the TF700, you're **** out of luck until Asus decides to fix the issue. If they ever do.

If a regular app crashes the tablet running stock rom, it's Asus fault, not the app. As long as Asus is supplying the entire software and driver stack for the ROM, they're the ones to blame for instability issues. A regular app running with regular, limited privileges should not cause reboots.

(This is of course when running stock and non-rooted. If you're testing new kernel modules and it suddenly reboots you're probably to blame for that.)

Really? Manufacturing defects are, what, a conspiracy theory? These things happen, even if you're ever so careful with your gadgets. And don't tell me Asus is spotless when it comes to manufacturing quality and QA, you all know that's bull****.

Maybe the guy actually does throw his tablet around, runs his car over it and lets his dog chew on it. Fine, he's to blame. Or, just maybe, Asus did **** up? Way to go being condescending about it and blaming the person for being careless with everything he owns just because your tablet doesn't have this fault.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Actually, not really. Most of the software issues are easily fixed with a custom ROM. So, you're not *really* out of luck until Asus decides to fix the issue. It can be fixed in other ways, without waiting for Asus.

In my opinion, if you are still on the Stock ROM, you are really cheating yourself out of a great experience with the TF700. Sure, it voids your warranty, but honestly, I don't think that I've *ever* used a manufacturer warranty (and I am an electronic junkie!). Usually, if there is a hardware defect, it either occurs within the retail return period or well after the manufacturer warranty expires - at least that has been my experience.

If you are really worried about the warranty, you can get a two-year, cover-everything warranty from SquareTrade for $87. Well worth it in order to make the TF700 all that it can be... The SquareTrade warranty even has you covered if you brick the TF700 due to a bad flash or whatever.

With the TF700, I actually did purchase the SquareTrade warranty since I was a little concerned about a few things (physical button quality, etc). $87 is a small price to pay for two years of coverage, including accidental-damage coverage!
[Asus Transformer TF700] ShadowLea:
XP SP3. I game a lot. (Old games, too, hence no 7.) And ever so often, games cause reboots because of terrible scripting or lousy porting.. (Skyrim was ridiculous. It just rebooted every hour, if it even lasted that long. Took them till patch 6 to fix it... ) So does VLC when viewing blurays, because VLC hates blurays. (Common problem.)
[Asus Transformer TF700] SndChsr:
So what you're telling me js that in order to have a lag-free, quick Infinity, I need to forfeit my warranty? Sounds like a great deal.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Einride:
SquareTrade is US and UK only. Also, I'll say it again: having to give up your warranty COMPLETELY (even for issues that are clearly Asus' fault) is unreasonable in my book, especially since you're not given access to nvflash.

I have yet to unlock my device. If I'm to unlock it and void my warranty, I want a (near-)perfect device hardware-wise, which means I'll have to return this one (crap volume buttons, "clicky" display, backlight bleeding, etc). Hopefully I'll also get one with the .26 bootloader which means I can get access to nvflash.

I wouldn't have needed to deal with this if Asus would still honor RMAs for hardware/manufacturing faults even when unlocked.

I'd very much like to unlock, but I'm not doing unless I have access to nvflash at least.

If Skyrim crashes your computer, it's the OS and/or drivers that are to blame. A regular application running in user mode/ring 3 should not be able to crash the entire system. That's why there are kernel and user modes: to avoid this (and security issues). Of course, buggy drivers (very common nowadays, sadly) ruins this where a game can crash the driver and cause a reboot/BSOD. Now, I'm not saying Skyrim was perfect, but in an ideal world, their bugs should not cause reboots :p

My previous post was a bit of a tongue-in-cheek response though, sorry about that. My point is though, that while you expect your PC setup to crash every now and then, it should not be expected of a device like the TF700. Fixed hardware, fixed software. (Again, not valid if you're running custom ROMs or kernels).
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
No, you don't *have* to - the TF700 actually runs OK on stock if you ask me. But, yes, if you want the TF700 to perform as well as it possibly can, then you'll need to unlock and install a custom ROM (which will void the warranty). Best bet is to get a third-part warranty. Well worth the $87, in my opinion (even less if you go for a one year warranty, I'm assuming - $87 is for a two year warranty that includes accidental damage coverage, as long as you use a coupon).

In the end, what good is a warranty on a device that you are not happy with anyway?
[Asus Transformer TF700] CandyAndy:
I am getting quite enough of this Asus stock software knowhow. I got my phone stolen so have to use now tablet as alarm. Well the second night I had it ready for alarm this thing just got SOD. Thank god I woke myself before the alarm and noticed that the thing was dead as a mummy.

So I would now like to void my warranty and get what I paid for. The thing is, I already updated to JB and it seems that unlocking the bootloader not possible.

Can I just downgrade to ICS by flashing the zip from Asus site or how I can do this now?

Thanks for help!
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
The Asus unlock app works just fine in Jelly Bean even though it says that's it only for ICS. There are many reports of it working fine with Jelly Bean on the forum. No need to revert back to ICS to unlock.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ShadowLea:
Actually.. The Patchlog for Skyrim is litered with 'fixed stability' and 'fixed improvement'. Everyone with a lower and midrange card (it's a 130M) had systemfreeze issues. For many, myself included, it would freeze up every few steps, and then eventually freeze for about a minute and reboot. And it wasn't the drivers or computer, as every other game, videoplayer and 3d/photo editor worked fine, even Crysis on ultra and rendering in Daz3D. If it was a corrupt/buggy driver, it would cause issues every time it was used heavily or at random. These crashes were very specific, everytime another piece of landscape had to render, it crashed. (they fixed the lighting issues eventually and it stopped.) The drivers nearly all specifically mentioned Skyrim as compatible. Nvidia and ATI tried everything they could to get the game to work, Bethesda messed up.

Fallout and Fallout New Vegas had similar issues. The engine Skyrim runs on is 11+ years old, and instead of using a fresh version, they used the one from the previous games. So there's a lot of redundant, conflicting code in Skyrim.

Oh no, don't worry about it, your reply was fine :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
As Einride explained: If the software crashes and you are back at the desktop, then it can be a bug in the software. If it crashes and takes your operating system with it, requiring a reboot, then it's clearly a driver (or hardware) issue, even if triggered only by one specific faulty software.
[Asus Transformer TF700] waltnich:
Bye . . .

4all the right reasons . . .

Bye

Couz U will just argue it anyway
[Asus Transformer TF700] dgjl:
+1
[Asus Transformer TF700] wctaylor79:
I had stock full updated JB and unlocked no issue on the first go with the unlock tool. After unlocked I downloaded goo manager from the market used that to flash my recovery and since I have run clean rom and currently on cm10. All is well in the world.
[Asus Transformer TF700] aydc:
Custom ROMs only fix benchmarks. Real world use is still slow.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
100% *completely* untrue. CleanROM has made this device *much* better - it is not slow *at all*.

Have you actually tried CleanROM??
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
Could you offer more to back up your post?

What is still slow in the "real world?"

The tab I have is a completely different device than it was 2 weeks ago.

I've had minimum hiccups after moving away from stock JB.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Ali I Hagen:
People who consider Nexus 10 above TF700 should have a read here

www.engadget.com/comments/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/?icid=eng__comments
[Asus Transformer TF700] wctaylor79:
I know many people like to show benchmarks. I, for one and some others, could care less what a number says about my device. First hand experience is the only thing I care about. Since using clean rom and today switched over to cm10, this thing is a beast. It is the most fluid experience I have ever had. It doesn't stutter one bit. Browsing is finally quick and no more "browser is not responding". The boot up time is much quicker to get me going. the screens flow, apps work faster and switching doesn't slow me down anymore. So what other real use is there that I can test? I would be interested in knowing as well as the past couple posts.
[Asus Transformer TF700] pierrekid:
seriously? ....wow at this...

Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
[Asus Transformer TF700] pierrekid:
Lol so i would REALLY like to hear your reasoning now for getting the N10... Again this is what im talking about when i said you are doing exactly what apple fanboys do....

Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
[Asus Transformer TF700] mike216:
+1 go buy an ipad if you don't want to enjoy your OS. We love our tweaking, mods and new goodies to look forward to. People don't get me but you guys do! Lol...
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
LOL

Said it at least once befow....

Androids are the tweakers of the local galactic regions.

Why be pissed when you can modify!

When you finally figure out how to tweak you'll never go back!

Powered by beer!​
[Asus Transformer TF700] opentoe:
I have a couple of questions. I barely use my Infinity. It collects dust more then anything because I'm always using my ipad. If I unlock my Infinity will I be able to lock it back? I'm unfamilair with the process and have heard A LOT of people "bricking" their tablets and then not being able to process warranty because of unlocking it. Also once it is unlocked can you download/process OTA firmware updates? Can you manually process firmware updates? Maybe list some pros and cons from unlocking it and is there a guide available on how to unlock?

Thanks.
[Asus Transformer TF700] mike216:
I sold my ipad for 300$ to buy this. Wanted to give apple a try for once in my life. Never again! The OS is horrible. Build quality was great. I get the best of both worlds now!

I'm not aware of any way to lock it. Not yet at least. If everything works and you have it for a few months then go for it. The fact that you don't use it much makes me say unlock it that much more! Enjoy your Android experience. Make sure you get on a stock jelly bean rom so you have the jelly bean bootloader. Doing this will ensure that you'll be able to enjoy all the roms that are out
[Asus Transformer TF700] HoushaSen:
Interesting post.

Perhaps it may be related to dual vs. quad core, and uncertain if benchmarks are accurate; however, at least for now on paper wise Nexus 10 is not as impressive as the one could imagine. But this may change as who know if current benchmarks are optimized for A15. Because Chrome book supposedly uses the same hardware but Sunspider resulted in like 600's; whereas, our Infinity 900's (definitely not 2000's that Engadget list as).

But in any event, currently infinity has better Quadrant, Antutu, Sunspider (using our latest 900's benchmark scores), and battery life. In addition, clear advantage of microSD. Screen advantage is certainly there for nexus 10, but how much noticeable is still unclear as text on my infinity is already so sharp, but I said same before own Infinity, and though screen resolution is irrelevant. Though 2GB may be a true performance booster as seen on the Note 10.1, and Surface RT.

For now, to me Nexus 10 is not complete superior device to Infinity; therefore, I will keep my infinity and wait until more devices to come (likely within next 2-3 months) that can be completely superior to infinity including higher resolution, inductive pen support etc. Personally, I am counting on Surface Pro with a hope of Microsoft secretly working with Intel to incorporate Haswell chips. I was actually surprised how smooth and quickly Surface RT worked at Microsoft store in terms of application switches. Also, there is a rumor Samsung is planning to release more tablet by the end of year whether it is only about Windows 8 or perhaps Android tablet is uncertain, but Samsung certainly has capability of improving Nexus 10 with Pen input, MicroSD etc.

Now on the topic with this thread,

I don't have my infinity unlocked but turned off all bloatwares. It runs very smoothly. Previously noted random reboot had completely eradicated by identifying a single application that caused the issue (screen filter). Browser seem to ran very fast for me as perhaps indicated by Sunspider score (partly at least). So I am satisfied with this device, not perfect as there is no perfect system that I want on the market but until then I think Infinity can certainly be a placeholder.
[Asus Transformer TF700] aydc:
Just because it's better when you flash CleanRom or something else is not an argument. This tablet in its stock form is such a train wreck that anything is an improvement.

After trying everything, I compare its performance to my phone Samsung Galaxy S3 and it's still abysmal. Boots much slower, apps open slower, animations are patchy, all operations requiring disk read/write are much much slower. This tablet should have been the ultimate Android experience, however it's far from it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
Ah OK.

Not arguing, just asking.

Sorry that you're disappointed.

Sent from the inside out...
[Asus Transformer TF700] Skander1998:
Sorry, but there is a difference, take a phone as an example (a smaller screen so the "novelty" factor is bigger.

Hold a 720p S3/Note 2, and compare it to a 1080p HTC J Butterfly.

You will notice a difference between 300~ and 400~ PPI easily.

Same with tablets, even bigger difference (bigger screen), if you don't notice it go to a doctor and check your eyes.
[Asus Transformer TF700] mike216:
Your asus is still king
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
You're both right. It depends on the content you're viewing and how far away the display is from your eyes. I typicaly hold my tablet about 18-24" away. As the below states, I'll never perceive anything beyond 229PPI because beyond 15" the eye can't resolve it.

For some people, it is possible to tell the difference if we were to sit down and study a [1080p] display and a [720p] display, side-by-side," he said in a phone interview with Ars. "If you’re really a fanatic and you study images, or you have some professional applications and you’re really into displays, then it may make a visual difference for you.

For most people, though, it won't matter. Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.

"Only computer-generated images make full use of the pixel resolution of the display," says Dr. Soneira. "For graphics and text, maybe you want that kind of sharpness." Like desktop computers, mobile displays can also utilize sub-pixel rendering, which helps improve the visual sharpness of computer-generated graphics.

The iPhone’s Retina display makes a good example of this. The resolution for the iPhone at 326 ppi becomes a ‘retina’ display at 10.5 inches," says Dr. Soneira, because that’s the viewing distance where the image on the screen will appear optimally sharp. After about 15 inches, "the much higher 326 ppi is 'wasted' because the eye can't resolve sharpness above 229 ppi." The further away a person gets, the more gradual the reduction in perceived image sharpness.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/​
[Asus Transformer TF700] HoushaSen:
Well done. I was going to post the same statement. :)

By the way, are you jumping on the Nexus 10 bandwagon or waiting for next iteration?
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
I have to have 3G so my options are pretty limited.
[Asus Transformer TF700] HoushaSen:
I see. Though I never really used S-pen while I had Note, I sort of miss the feature. I even got $30 Jot Pen thing, and definitely not the same as inductive screen.

So when I make my jump, I am hoping my next machine to have at least full HD resolution, but also Wacom/S-pen. I always needed expandable memory (one reason I abandoned iPad). So I am also not jumping on this one quite yet. Hope Galaxy Note HD (or whatever they call) or Surface pro have what I need. I am looking into Ativ Smart Pro as well. Though Ativ Smart PC on Note 10.1 section have great review, atom processor still makes me a bit concerned but may be that is the system I need...
[Asus Transformer TF700] Nibiru2012:
Amen to that! :good:

I have found that as a moderator on two different Windows 7 forums that usually the people who really know what they're doing will usually post more positive replies and such. The VAST majority of users have no issues at all.

:cool:
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No argument here!

No clue what I'm doing :D

Yet it is important to stay + and learn why things are not working and why things will work better when patience prevails.

Taking some time to wrap the mind around this and coming out on top is quite satisfying.
[Asus Transformer TF700] clemsyn:
Don't throw it, donate it to me :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] ShadowLea:
I love how people want a higher resolution... Which is pointless beyond 1920x1080. Even if you want to watch HD/Bluray films on it, those are no bigger than 1920x1080. Meaning displaying them on a higher resolution screen will STRETCH them. Thus making them look hideous.

Apps are allready too small for the TF700's resolution. Have fun on an even bigger one...

As a photographer myself I can tell you there's no point getting a bigger resolution. The screen itself will remain 10.1", and as such it will only compress pictures with a higher resolution, still destroying the close-up detail. You'd ned to get a bigger screen, dimensions-wise, to see the effect.

If you're going to toss it in a ditch, send it to someone who can use it to do some good. There's plenty of developers here who could and would put it to good use.
[Asus Transformer TF700] LEGOracer69:
Guys! This is OFFTOP!!! Stick to the thread!
[Asus Transformer TF700] jodvova:
I am a photographer too and I prefer to watch my photos on iPad 3 more than on TF700. I still see pixels on TF700.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ShadowLea:
What camera res are you using, and which app? Stock Gallery makes the photos look blurry and pixelated for me, but they look fine with Quickpic. With a 4752 x 3168 res, I don't see any pixels unless I use Stock gallery.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jodvova:
I have a camera but I usually resize photos for a web view to 1200x1000 (800). I tried using both Stock Gallery and Quickpic and regardless of app, I can see individual pixels on the screen. That's irritating.

When I look at iPad3 screen I don't see any pixels. So Nexus 10 will be even better.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ShadowLea:
That defies physics...

Images: 1200x1000

TF700: 1920x1200 224ppi

iPad3: 2048x1536 264ppi

It zooms in FURTHER on the iPad screen...

Let me put it this way: (I'm assuming 72ppi, as that's web standard).

Images: 42 by 35cm (16,6 by 13,8 inch)

TF700: 68 by 42cm (26,6 by 16,6 inch)

iPad3: 72 by 54cm (28,4 by 21,3 inch)

A 42x35 cm image will be stretched more to fill the screen on the iPad3 than the TF700, thus making the pixels more evident on the iPad3. The only way they'll look better on the iPad3 is if you keep them in the original size, and don't fill the entire screen.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jodvova:
The physics is simple. When you get your eyes close to the screen, it's more likely you will see pixels on 1080p resolution than on 2048x1536.

Just try to compare TF700 screen with Galaxy Note 10' screen, you will immediately see the difference.

Same goes for TF700 vs ipad3 and TF700 vs Nexus 10.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ShadowLea:
I don't sit with my face pressed to the screen. do you? ;) :silly: You can't see the photograph that way xD There's three people in my usual train-commute group that have the Note 10", they keep telling me my screen looks more amazing...
[Asus Transformer TF700] jodvova:
Obviously your screen looks amazing, it's 1080p comparing to 1280x800 of Note 10''.

For the same reason Nexus 10 screen is more amazing than TF700 :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Unless you are specifically *trying* to see a pixel on the TF700, I just don't see it happening... Even if you are trying to see a pixel, it's *very* hard to do. Why would anyone go out of their way to try and see the pixels though? I'm just not following the logic on this one!

In normal use, there is no way that you are seeing pixels, unless the photo itself is the issue...
[Asus Transformer TF700] humdrum2009:
Yep they really need to step up

I've purchased Lots of games from them. Won't run on the tf700 no matter what I try.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jodvova:
It's easy, just take iPad 3 with your left hand and TF700 with your right, open up the same photo and you will immediately see the difference.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
I'm not saying that there is not a difference between the TF700 and iPad 3 screen (I wouldn't know as I've not used an iPad 3). What I'm saying is that in normal use, you will not see any individual pixels on the TF700 screen.

You would have to go out of your way to see pixels, if you can at all.