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[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
I'm one of those people that employ your services. I can assure you my time spent on the financials is forward looking; typically 12-24 months out. Since the past can't be changed, other than for governmental reporting and lessons learned, any executive that dwells on the past will be soon gone along with his or her company. Especially with the speed of change that everyone's confronting.

In 2010 HTC was everyone's "darling" and perceived on a trajectory to take on Samsung. In less than twenty four months their viability is being questioned. They got their not by looking at past financials but by not taking their future position and that of the market and their competitors seriously enough and resting on their laurels by releasing a slew of mediocre products.

If I were at HTC or Samsung and a decision maker updates wouldn't be a high priority for me either. As long as all my competitors suck, and with tons of projects that need resources, making updates a priority would be a poor use of limited resources. Samsung is atrocious with their tablet updates; worse than with their phones. Asus is lightning fast with updates (albeit flawed). Samsung sells four times as many tablets as Asus and their lead is growing. That says that updates are a low priority feature when people are purchasing tablets. We on XDA may feel differently but if updates were important to the masses Asus would be selling more tablets. So spending money on something that doesn’t provide a measurable return isn’t a good use of money.

There are only two things that will get us updates faster. 1) Google stepping in and creating some type of penalty schedule for OHA members that don’t update the OS in their devices within a defined and reasonable amount of time. 2) The Nexus program really taking off demonstrating that people do care about updates and buy devices based on update speed which will cause the manufacturers to revisit their positions. At this point, both are long shots.
[HTC One X] Montechristo1979:
I have some interesting news:

Source:

http://bestboyz.de/one-x-test/#comments (HTC One X+ Review)

It's a german website. Inside the comments someone is asking about the HTC One X JB Update. The guy who does the reviews (Kamal Vaid / bestboyz) replied to him:

The most important part is "OS 4.1 Jelly Bean für One X erscheint zwischen dem 12. und 15. November."

Translation for you: OS 4.1 Jelly Bean for One X will be released between 12th and 15th November.

-------------------------------------------------------

Few hours later someone was asking where Kamal / bestboyz knows when HTC will release the update. He replied:

Translation again for you:

I have a list of devices where i can see when every device will be updated. The One X is listed for 12th November. The informations are from HTC.

So, looks like some people (me included) will smash their "Check Update"-Button again tomorrow :D
[HTC One X] tkolev:
Google will not force the OHA members into spending their resources into supporting old products. We all know what Google's business is and they will not risk loosing Android manufacturers for the convenience of the users. What will you buy if you are not happy with your current phone's update status? An iPhone, a WP phone or another Android?

The Nexus program is a very good thing but do you think the N4 will sell in the numbers the GN was selling? The ugly truth is that many people bought it not because of the "Google experience" but because of "made by Samsung". LG vs Samsung? I think we all know how will it end. The only right policy will be to open the Nexus program to all manufacturers that want to participate (though selling at a very low profit margin, which seems to be the latest trend in the Nexus program might drive them out) but this will mean Google spending more to update all the Nexus variants out there.
[HTC One X] forceware:
Now that's the sort of post I've been waiting for!! Thanks
[HTC One X] thekillingroad:
Today's finances are just a result of future performance regarding operational success and customer satisfaction.

I'm not implying that customer satisfactions is based on making the xda-guys/us happy, but makina everyone who bought and HTC happy.

This comes from the lowest-part of Balanced Scorecard approach.

First you improve Learning & Innovation at the employee side, which improves the Internal Processes which improves customer based measures, then you'll have success at finance.

Anyways too much off-topic, sorry everyone.

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I think we should not seperate updating and bug-freenes of the firmware.

I'm not calling the "release" as an important thing, the important this is releasing a good software, which is what HTC are doing for the HOX JB, we believe. This is one of the main reasons why people are stuck with Apple; I know they did release buggy stuff too, but in the end after 1 or at most 2 upgrades, they find a way to solve this and give people a nice experience. This is not what we all are having with Android devices. I know the differences between Apple and Droid, please don't start a debate at the side that Android is open source so many devices etc. This is the company's choice and it should not leave us with problems. I don't mean that I'm unhappy with my HOX, but just seeking for improvement.

Thus, testing the software, using the device for huge amounts of time. yes this costs additinoal resources both directly financial and indriectly, but this is what those companys need.

Could you please describe me how you can look forward with analyzing financial measures. You do need additional data, which are related with your customer satisfactory and internal process success. Finance alone, is nothing but the past.

and I do agree that the sales of GN was achieved with the help of Samsung marketing. Alone, nexus project is nothing but a developer project, hence I've called it an "unfinished OS" earlier. Also Google implementing a punish for OHA members? Not possible and necessary I guess. This is all alone achieveable by companys focusing more on out of the box usage experience and resovle success with updates.

It is pretty sad that Apple's way is the force which made companies work like that. But they should realize that they can not be as successfull as Apple following their path because their work is much more harder. Apple guys just sit in a room doors-closed and focus on what they have in their hand, which is developed and tested at the same room all the time.
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Android as an OS has matured greatly. The last big leap really was 2.X to 4.0.X which greatly improved features and the user experience. My Note 10.1 just went from 4.0.4 to 4.1.1 and the differences really aren't that big. Transitions are faster but they were really good before. The most exciting new features are what Samsung added not what came standard with the OS. And since I didn't know those new features from Samsung were coming it would have been hard to want them. ;) In other words I like shiny new features as much as anyone here but with updates to the OS itself becoming more and more incremental I'm not going to lose sleep if I have to wait a few weeks or months. A 2.X device

needed

4.0.X to run the way it's supposed to. My One X and Note on 4.0.4 both ran great making the next update less "gotta have it;" at least for me. Samsung's Note 10.1 JB update was late but after using it for three days it's absolutely fault free. I'd gladly wait for "fault free" than have features I depend on borked because an update was rushed out. So with a mature and more polished OS as a baseline I think people will be less likely to jump ship to iOS or W8 and just accept a crappy update schedule as an Android fact of life.

Having owned an LG device I wouldn't even by a toaster from them. I think the N4 is going to sell extremely well for only one reason. Price. Most high-end phones are $199 on a contract renewal here in the U.S. which sticks you with the same phone for two years. You can pick up a state-of-the-art phone for $299 off contract by buying a N4 through Google Play. I think that's going to be a big sales driver for people mid-contract and for people that don't want to enter in to a contract. Whether those people regret their decision after the fact because of LG's track record remains to be seen.

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Wow, if only a single contrived and formulaic approach delivered universally stellar results owner of said formula would be rich. During the height of the economic down turn I was quoted in the press as saying "We'll deliver a completive customer experience no matter how low that is" as we and our competitors were slashing service in response to a drop in demand. I stand by that. Offering value adds to customers (en masse) that they don't see as relevant or competitively differentiating (real or perceived) is a pure waste of money. Vis-à-vis; HTC spending $500K more a year to improve update speed and quality while not selling enough incremental devices to generate sufficient profit to offset that expense. As long as the competitive bar stays low there’s no incentive for any of the market leaders to raise it unless it translates in to calculable additional sales/revenue/profit. And XDA’rs are 5% of the device buying public and their bar is way lower than our when it comes to updates.
[HTC One X] exoticashu:
Speaking of improving finance and over all company's market position, i completely agree that HTC has to improve their innovation.. the thing for which they were famous...

Every smartphone in entitled to get update, if possible, but the most important is first impression.. the build which is given with the device for first time...

For Guys like developers in XDA, it might matter that they get latest update and OS on their phone... but at the same time, from financial perspective, they are not the Bigger target market for any phone..

At one side, stats says that in each 4 smart phones, 3 are android based.... and same time HTC is going to down path... the reason is lack of innovation and understanding of market... of course i am not more experienced than CMO of HTC, but one thing every one knows that... if they keep selling only hi-end phone with specific market in mind, they can never make money... and on top of that, poor service would be like fuel in fire..
[HTC One X] exocetdj:
This has been some good reading guys! :)
[HTC One X] tkolev:
Google is not going to force OEMs into anything. As long as they don't engage in a venture that can hurt Google's business (e.g. Acer and the Chinese Android fork) they can do whatever they like. If they want to update their phones - OK, if they don't - that's OK too. Google's business is not hurt by the so called "fragmentation" that exists only in someone's' head. They can still target their ads no matter if you are on froyo, gingerbread, ice cream, jellybean or whatever desert powers your phone.

I really hope that you are right about the N4. But I doubt it. The N7 had virtually no competition when it was selling like hot cakes. The iPad mini (or iPod maxi - whatever you like to call it) did not exist and the kindle fire HD is too tied to Amazon to be a real competitor worldwide. Still I don't think that the "sell at lowest possible profit margin" sounds attractive to the OEMs that sell most of the Androids. They will have to kill their own flagship devices in order to make a Nexus and this is something that not all of them will agree to do. It would be nice to have at least one of the premium quality manufacturers agree for a Nexus (I'm betting on Motorola for that), but only time will tell. Maybe for the 5.0 I'll get a Nexus made by someone without an "s" in it's name ;)
[HTC One X] caedanne:
Official updates are great... But isn't the heart of XDA Community...
[HTC One X] GriffinSauce:
Disagree, they kickstart a lot of development. A Sense rom based on JB would be very hard to accomplish without an official update to JB.

Also kernel updates and other such lower level things come mostly from official updates afaik (correct me if I'm wrong)
[HTC One X] caedanne:
You are right... But I saw beatifull things here without official updates! And without drivers... Hd2 is the proof... Also other older wm devices had unofficial updates to wm6.5... And other things...

Developing is developing... Not re-Developing... This is what I mean... This thread is useless since you allready have official cooked roms!
[HTC One X] TheHappyBuddhist:
Hope India also gets the update by 15th,,if the news is true.. :excited:
[HTC One X] Stexer:
hopes

My only hope is less ios look and better power management, sgs3 lasts up to 30% longer on JB. Hopefuly htc will also.
[HTC One X] amirage:
HTC does last longer on JB as users have reported...
[HTC One X] nookcoloruser:
Less iOS look ? I suggest you remove iLauncher ;)

But it looks nothing like iOS unless you define looking like iOS as a placement of app icons on a grid, but that would apply to every android device.

Back on topic, well a number of posts earlier in the thread from Spain, Italy and somewhere else in Europe both had HTC saying 19th November. And now we have a German source saying 12-15th November. So basically let's just cross our fingers and hope somewhere within those 7 days 12-19th it arrives.

I'm thinking a this point of selling my one X and getting a HTC 8X as at least windows phone updates don't take this long to roll out.
[HTC One X] sabret00the:
I'm not sure that's a good idea. Windows don't provide phones with major updates.
[HTC One X] lukikai:
La preghiamo cortesemente di attendere che un nostro agente l’assista...

È in contatto con Jasmine.

Jasmine: Salve luca, grazie per aver contattato il Supporto Tecnico HTC. Come posso esserle utile?

luca z: Salve, volevo sapere un'informazione

luca z: Quando esce Jelly Bean per HTC One X in Europa?

Jasmine: Si e` previsto per il 19/11/2012

luca z: Sicuro?

Jasmine: Si e` stato confermato da HTC (confirmed)

luca z: grazie mille!

Asked now in Chat Support (Italy)
[HTC One X] miczk:
Hi,

I sent an e-mail to HTC support (Czech republic). They said to me that Jelly Bean update has started 29th October 2012 and it will finish by the end of November 2012. So in a few weeks it will be aviable to all devices.

I feel like 19th November is the right date when we will get Jelly Bean.
[HTC One X] booze78:
Translation would be sooooo nice 'cause my Italian goes not much further than "Bella Donna"

Verstuurd van mijn HTC One X met Tapatalk
[HTC One X] dragonesdenano:
I think it says "Bada bordó catzo" :p

Just read the keywords like the date and confimartion from htc.

:)

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[HTC One X] lukikai:
do not you understand?

HTC Confimed Jelly Bean Update come 19.11.12 in Europe
[HTC One X] Vcek:
What is confusing me, that the elevate program uses to release the updates a bit earlier than official but for 3.14.401.20 should have been released today (before the 19th official release)

Sent from my HTC One X
[HTC One X] thekillingroad:
another Official "confirmation?" from HTC.

HTC Turkey live chat confirmed that the JellyBean update for Turkey (M27, hence Europe) is "delayed" to 19th of November.

I've asked couple of questions so I'm not uploading the screenshot or pasting the chat. If anyone like to see it I can.
[HTC One X] Vcek:
HTC's biggest mistake was to announce JB early. I admit they worked very fast but the early announcement make it seem late.
[HTC One X] kaospiloten:
I think the 3.14.401.20 was released yesterday to the elevate guys.
[HTC One X] Vcek:
The base of the rom was leaked to the developers, but no update was released otherwise we would have seen hboot 1.33 for wwe devices by now.

Sent from my HTC One X
[HTC One X] Dysphonic:
The delayed release of jelly bean has now been delayed to the 19/11/12 unless it is delayed some more:angel:
[HTC One X] OlympicBeast:
I just contacted HTC UK and this is what the operator said:

Chris B: Hi, is there a confirmed date for the release of Android Jelly Bean for HTC One X in UK?

Anders: Hi Chris, thank you for contacting HTC Support, I am looking in to your query now.

Chris B: thank you

Anders: There is yet no official date no, I'm sorry about that Sir.

Chris B: Do you know if it will be this month? As I am planning to buy the HTC One X

Anders: Hmm, it won't be long, but I can't really promise anything. Personally I think by the start of December.

Chris B: Okay thanks a lot for the information.
[HTC One X] massalami:
i personally think he just threw a date that he knows would be accurate(the updates should be out by then) but without the possibilitiy of being wrong and pissing a customer off. In other words, he has NO Idea and is just talking out of his ass :eek:
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Of all the info we're looking at I'd take what's shared via Elevate members to be the most realistic. Their working directly with the people at HTC that code the update. Those people are the one's that eventually have to say "OK, it's shippable." I'd guess that the heads of support for the regional offices get some type of regular communication regarding updates. If Italy's manager shares the latest info with phone/chat/e-mail staff and the UK manager doesn't that would explain why some regions appear out of sync. Phone agents aren't getting direct communication from corporate. And in some cases they'll just make stuff up. Like "personally, I believe..." And if their still coding I find it strange that they'd be so specific to commit a hard date like "Nov 19." They'd more likely say "the week of..." or "the second half of November" to give themselves some flexibility should something come up in testing. The fact they felt confident enough to update customer phones in Taiwan means their pretty close though unless something really major came up after they rolled it out.
[HTC One X] Theo95:
Release date

I contacted HTC a month and a half ago to ask them about the JB update, and they couldn't give me and answer. Well, 4 days ago, a guy from HTC called me and I answered in my own language, then I realized that he was speaking English with an Arabic accent so I spoke with him and he told me that HOX will receive the JB update on 19th of November. I was really impressed.
[HTC One X] lukikai:
So...

19.11.2012

Finally we update our HOX

Maybe...
[HTC One X] darkidz555:
HTC malaysia cid 044 i email to htc and they told me that everyone in asia will recieve JB update start from 15 nov till 30 nov
[HTC One X] dragonesdenano:
Well, i dont know about the date, but it s true that when others ota were free to my cid 044, i got it two days with delay cause i m in South America

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[HTC One X] thekillingroad:
It is really nice for them and you that they're making a call for this.

I just don't wanna remmeber my conversation today I had with HTC Turkey, though I was also given the date 19th, but the rest... ohi disaster.

I think after this week I wil directly ask everything but everything to elevate.
[HTC One X] kelvintisw:
I do not trust HTC's Facebookers and tweeters anymore.....:(
[HTC One X] dragonesdenano:
Sure bro, same here but... Ota will come when ur phone says that or available ruu, :)

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[HTC One X] GWS2012:
I heard HTC are going to update the One X to JB today. lol or was that yesteday, or the day before? seems like an everyday occurance that we hear these rumours. just close this thread and wait... this is a waste of time.
[HTC One X] colinmc8:
I phoned HTC and they told me jb has already been released and everybody already has it. The problem is we are in a parallel universe and it has been delayed here. Should be soon though lol
[HTC One X] andyl66:
I work on the board of HTC and can confirm this is true. I can also confirm that full multitasking has been enabled. Anyone still complaining about not having jb are simply living in the incorrect universe.
[HTC One X] ralfmonkey:
you have Chuanyue 了;)
[HTC One X] rasel800:
Strange, not many post in this thread

So I guess, all of us are holding breath till 19th...:D
[HTC One X] kelvintisw:
Coz it is really hopeless....:D
[HTC One X] Little_Tiger:
So this confirms that HTC isn't 100% accurate. Even if one on the board tells us. Because as Rasel said, the thread is way to quiet where according to Andyl66 we all should have got the update.

So a quiet thread, nobody got the update. so have to wait patiently till it arrives. Instead of letting a board membrane tells us we live in a incorrect universe.
[HTC One X] patriotaus:
Does everyone here actually want the JB update? or just the hboot update for their CID>?
[HTC One X] colinmc8:
I'm gonna see if I can get hold of Walter Bishop!

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Well as you are offering, I'll have the update :D
[HTC One X] mrdey:
I would be happy also with Hboot only:) Need it to fix my proximity sensor...
[HTC One X] krohme:
this update has dragged an dragged and dragged.. you'd think their using horse and carriage to deliver the software by hand :p

I just hope we see it before we invent flying cars and stuff like that, such is life :rolleyes:
[HTC One X] okuda1971:
The ZX 81 they use to compile the update keeps crashing and the 300/300 baud modem is maxed out..! Lol!
[HTC One X] Vcek:
1 month delay after discovering a lot of bugs, is not considered a delay. I remember s2 ics update killed some batteries and I can't even tell that they sent a fix within the same quarter.

Sent from my HTC One X
[HTC One X] g-lock_dk:
Link to this info?

from android 2.3 to android 4 was a big update and s2 is a product from Samsung not HTC
[HTC One X] psycop:
HTC just releasted a FAQ site about 4.1 Jelly Bean. In that the mention that they will release a development version of Jelly Bean for developers as soon as they are ready with it. No ETA on the webpage

SOURCE: http://www.htc.com/www/help/android41faq/
[HTC One X] TheHappyBuddhist:
Finally they have changed the FAQ page from ICS to JB.. So atleast HTC confirmed that they will be giving JellyBean for sure!! :D :silly:

If the updates are correct,,we would get the updates by 19th.. :thumbup: :) Now be prepared for JB 4.2 hope and respect page!! :p :silly: :D
[HTC One X] massalami:
is it really? i can't believe it!!!

:rolleyes:
[HTC One X] Atlantics:
We are working hard... bla-bla-bla nothing in particular, as usual.

I'm not sure, but is it really all programmers never hold to time limits? Is this such a work style in programming?
[HTC One X] EddyOS:
Trying to find out if, by 'developer', they mean stock Android or not...
[HTC One X] Actura:
that one is one that you must trust the most :D

maybe he means the stock one
[HTC One X] tasos12:
Guys I dont see anywhere in this announcement any date like the 19th or anything for the rollout.

HTC Greece told me today that the rollout will be during this month(no date as well).

Also this announcement of HTC looks identical with the one for ICS when I had the Desire S.

It seems its copy paste and they traded ICS with JB and Desire HD with One V etc....

:laugh:
[HTC One X] ccz:
Hi guys,

Doen anyone knows if 19th is the final date also for Spain?

Thanks
[HTC One X] dragonesdenano:
If it comes that day, will be only for unbranded terminales, comprende, jeje:)

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