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[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
There are tens of thousands of lines of code in a mobile device. There are also seperate components: the kernel, the OS, the overlay, installed apps, and the radios. It's also typical to test all those things with third party apps that are popular and likely to be used by a large number of customers. So depending on how major an update is and how many of those things it touches there's a lot that can go wrong after you think it's "done." By stopping the roll out after Taiwan and releasing additional test ROMs to Elevate members it would appear something went wrong. The bigger the issue the longer it's going to take to resolve and the greater amount of testing that will be required. For those that have had their device since it launched in March, remember the shipping ROM? It was a train wreck and shows what happens when the process is rushed. It's better to piss people off by making them wait than to piss them off by releasing crappy s/w and borking their devices. They're going to be pissed either way so you may as well shoot for quality.
[HTC One X] Atlantics:
Let's imagine what would happen if the tailor will work in the same way as the HTC. "I have million threads and hundreds of buttons," he will say. I can not sew pants once. I recently found that I sewed three trouser legs and my necktie into your pants. This is a bug but I can't solve nothing immediately. But I work hard. You can be naked some time and enjoy nudism. Why don't you enjoy nudism?:D
[HTC One X] tkolev:
Well, developing is a bit different from tailoring.
[HTC One X] Wilks3y:
I cant believe this crap was kept and all the useful and informational threads were closed, so ridiculous.

thats all im saying.
[HTC One X] Atlantics:
Lets be the delay is caused by difference

But as for me its a question of sense of duty and liability
[HTC One X] exoticashu:
i think mods wants to keep all the crap at one place instead of letting spread it with information..
[HTC One X] colinmc8:
Ha Ha, Yeh I said it before and I'll say it again.... Meh forgot!
[HTC One X] Wilks3y:
Well why close the useful ones?
[HTC One X] tkolev:
When you begin to make a software product based on someone else's product, you'll see that sometimes it's not just that ;)

The only mistake was the date announcement at the beginning of October. The management should have known better than to make promises for release dates.
[HTC One X] Andy:
Not trying to be funny by correcting you, but I thougt I expand your point to further back it up.

From ICS 4.0 there are over 1 million lines of code. Then add in the propitiatory drivers & code and that is now a huge head ache. Each update needs approval from the carriers and/or FCC or similar authority and its obvious why updates are not instant and take months.

I remember a few months back Vodafone Australia pulled ICS for some HTC Device because there was an issue with emergency calls. So the bug had passed through HTCs internal testing and had only been picked up by a Carrier.
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Since I didn't know, and was pulling a number out of my butt, I went low. ;) As sensitive as folks can be here sometimes I didn't want to create a post war debating how many lines of code are in Android. Thanks for the update.
[HTC One X] exoticashu:
we have seen that three times the USEFUL thread was cleaned up, so many instruction were given in OP... but still some one (and i really wonder people don't read forum rules or what) comes and started doing what is already happening at this thread.. so eventually both the posts are serving same purpose... spreading ambiguity... no confirmation...
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
What's your definition of useful? With no hard info all these update threads are rumor, speculation, and people pissed off that the update is taking too long. Football and xmoo are the only ones that provide hard information and when they have some I’m sure it’ll be shared in this thread directly or indirectly. The rest of the time it's op-ed posts to keep each other busy and amused while we're waiting. There are a couple of people here with knowledge of the process that share stuff and in general I think folks appreciate it because the posts are thanked pretty frequently. There are some smart people here and I've learned stuff and enjoy the banter when it's kept civil.

If your significant other was having a baby and went passed her due date would you tell her how worthless and incompetent she is and swear you’re going to have your next baby with someone else who’s more reliable? Something to ponder while we're waiting for more useful info. ;)
[HTC One X] exoticashu:
Not sure buddy if you saw that thread from Wilks3y which was really serving its purpose of single point check on all confirmed JB OTAs until few people started mixing up the things..

anyways, past is past.. lets see what we get here..
[HTC One X] exocetdj:
Fair point but still useful to have a gossip thread and a confirmation one just a shame that noobs don't read the first post in threads lol. :) I suggested that maybe the op of the important threads like the other one be given admin privileges to clean up themselves and save the mods hassle but due to the limitations of vBulletin this isn't possible, would have been z good way to go forward though ey!
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
This is a "discussion" forum. And yes, I saw the thread run by the Gestapo where only people confirmed to have received the update were supposed to post. Since no one's received the update that thread would end up on page three by the time someone does. And when the update starts to roll out again people are going to start a slew of new threads announcing it because that's the way it’s happened with every device I've owned. So I never considered the thread you're talking about particularly practical or "useful." Telling people in a public discussion forum not to “discuss” rarely goes well so I’m not surprised it flamed out. ;)
[HTC One X] massalami:
I dont know what the fuss is about. I dont know if you know Wilks3y but your thrread has been reopened;)
[HTC One X] GriffinSauce:
No, only phone companies get away with this BS.

In proper programming projects a planning is made based on what work has to be done. In this you include overhead like testing, bugfixing, unforeseen delays (there are rules for calculating this, but almost everyone can make an educated guess as to how much "extra" time you need for this).

So either:

This is not a proper development project (very possible that behind the screens they just have "a few guys" working on it instead of a proper team with proper management).

The management is crap (no or insufficiant planning done)

The communication is crap (between the dev team and the marketing/support team)

The marketing/support team is crap (not asking enough questions to the dev team, no proper plan of what to communicate to the customers)

They don't care enough to give you the info.

Or of course the combination of all the above.

I don't think it is that bad, but you must realise that this very simply is not something that has priority. Yes it has some unmeasurable effect on future customers and overall image, which I think is valuable, but some people would say it's much more important to focus on new products. Besides, XDA is less than 1% of the userbase, who cares that they are angry while everybody else has not the slightest clue what Jellybean is.

So, no this is not the style for proper dev projects, but this isn't a proper dev project, it's a little sideshow for the nerds. I think we should be gld we're getting 4.1 at all and 4.2 probably. If you are so dying to stay up to date, you know which device to buy, they've just released some new ones.
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
This is a little off topic but what the hell, I think you guys will find it amusing.

I don't know anyone at HTC so they could easily be as bumbling as you and others infer. But sometimes, no matter how thorough you are, you can't foresee the "unforeseen" as you said in your post.

This was Virgin Blue in Australia today after a system update went awry...

This was US Airways when they merged computer systems with America West in 2009...

This was United this year when they merged computer systems with Continental...

The best s/w and h/w engineers, months of planning, support from companies like EDS and HP, top tier consultants, extra hiring, insane levels of testing, dry runs and a "spare no expense" approach can't prevent projects from crashing due to something that in hindsight may have been obvious but not known during preparation. I used to run s/w for an airline in a former life and actually created a scene similar to the above because the provider of our airport kiosks never told us they had changed some internal components on a portion of the kiosks we bought. It was only for a brief duration so early and late-build kiosks were the same. It was a percentage somewhere in the middle of the run that were different and the contract mandated the supplier notify us of any component changes (which they didn't; we found it when we performed some autopsies). They got stuck in loops because of the new s/w and the resources they used when they were stuck brought the whole system down for several hours until we could fall back costing about $10MM in lost revenue and passenger expense absorption and compensation. You never forget your first major failure and I've never met anyone in the s/w business who hasn't had one. When interviewing engineers I always ask them to describe their worst failure. If their seasoned and say they haven't had any I know their full of crap. ;)
[HTC One X] tkolev:
That made my day!
[HTC One X] TacticalTimbo:
Seriously what the hell is going on, it mid November and we still haven't received the update we were would hit in October! Meanwhile HTC have switched their attention to the X+, and Nexus 4 at £239 is already touting the latest 4.2...wtf we're still crying and begging for 4.1!!

This is most likely the last HTC I'll own, my first Android was the Magic and let me tell you that was a travesty, there are Chinese torture methods less painful than what that was! The HOX has been far better, however the general standard of Android handsets is far better now than it was then. I've had three or four (can't remember) HOX's and all have had pretty shoddy build quality; the most annoying being the knocking/rattling haptic feedback. However I digress the main issue is just how bad they are with sending out updates, (mine is unlocked/generic btw) they just don't seem to care! :rolleyes:
[HTC One X] StefanCelMare:
Well, this thread should be expected to go against HTC, even if it is entitled "hope and respect".

The more days go by without Jelly, the more likely.

I only have 1 advice.

Ignorance is a bliss.

I enjoy my HOX with 4.0.4, it's actually good.

Advice you do the same, it's not a bad phone.
[HTC One X] colinmc8:
Well they are bound to get a move now they know you aren't happy! Perhaps you should get a Samsung phone if build quality is your thing ;)
[HTC One X] interw:
+1

Unless HTC at least gives us S-OFF, this is very very likely the last HTC for me.
[HTC One X] sabret00the:
I'm honestly surprised at the amount of users we have on the forums that are awaiting official updates. Is this as a result of no fully unlocked bootloader or simply as a sign of times changing on XDA?

Either way, in regards to updates we've now been lapped while our biggest competitor managed to keep the leaders in sight barely. Hilarious given that they were once considered the worst with their updates but have clearly learned from their mistakes. What's more funny is that they've achieved this at a time whereby they really don't need it as no other Android OEM is even close to competing. They're simply building good will with their customers to ensure future purchase consideration.

If HTC truly found a ton of bugs in the initial Jellybean release then the delay is indeed both noble and necessary. But that hasn't been communicated.

Between the lack of S-Off which means losing enthusiasts, the obsolescence after 6 months with the release of the One X+ and failure to keep pace with the frontrunners in this space. Things will continue to look bleak for HTC and it'll be by their own making too.
[HTC One X] colinmc8:
Anyone else have Déjà vu?
[HTC One X] sabret00the:
Seriously is my post any less relevant than someone citing airport systems? I wouldn't give even be in this thread if I wasn't a currently disgruntled customer awaiting S-Off. I only bought the phone because fan boys on this very forum assured me it would be the new HD2.
[HTC One X] stuart0001:
More are waiting because the leaked firmware is cid restricted so many can't flash a custom jb rom even if they wanted to.
[HTC One X] sabret00the:
Why, in your opinion, have HTC made it so hard for the development community this time round with things like CID locked firmware?
[HTC One X] Wilks3y:
Thanks, someone who pays attention to the goings on of XDA

Hense the reason why I agree that it may be a good idea for threads to be merged. Either that or either one of the mods is going to have to agree to put some extra work into a single thread for a while, or I could be given sole admin rights to that thread, but as stated vBulletin is a bit of a lock down and doesn't allow it.
[HTC One X] Zlotin:
One thing about jb on one x...

I'm using it for 3 weeks now since first leak. Two days ago I thought, I'll go for ice once again, because I've started playing some heavy games and ics has great kernels with undervoltig...flashed 2.17 and...screw me, its soooo slow and sluggish.

What I mean, when you upgrade, you may be won't notice the differences, but after you'll look back it is really worlds between.

First, the notification drawer is wonderful. I mean it is much smoother and looks so much better, that once you'll see old one you'll be stunned.

Second, the hole system is much smoother, keyboard is much better, everything works speedier. If you once had iPhone 3g or 4 and bought 3gs or 4s, it is the same expirience without changing phone and spending 600 euro. I love android
[HTC One X] exocetdj:
I agree mate (although i'd never get an iphone yuk :silly:;))
[HTC One X] okuda1971:
Can we change the name of this thread to No-hope and disrespect..? Seems a bit more apt..!?!
[HTC One X] colinmc8:
:good:

Thanks for that post. It's a nice change from all the HTC hate ,and this is my last HTC device, they should of this and they shouldn't that.
[HTC One X] Zestaling:
044

HTC_044 still checking :silly:
[HTC One X] civarch:
Just wait dude, it will come to us when bugs are fixed. There is nothing we can do, let's just wait. :)
[HTC One X] Zlotin:
Look, since first leak, in gets always better. The last leak has no issues for me, but HTC media link is still buggy.

You should understand, that before rolling update worldwide, there should be no bugs at all. And I prefer this more, than pushing updates every weak to end-users like Microsoft with windows rt or Asus does. And to be staight, HTC does its best, with each leak Rom became better: more stable, with greater battery time and even more smooth.
[HTC One X] mdegroux:
SFR, a french carrier will release the JB update by the end of november.

HTC One S: JB on mid december

HTC One X: JB on end november
[HTC One X] Andy:
I rarely do this but I'm going to shoot down your seemingly narrow view of the world.

Would a fully unlocked bootloader increase or decrease the time it took HTC to code an update? Your talking nonsense. Its pretty obvious that more users are using android now than were using WinMo 5 years ago.

How does that affect the 99% of HTC users who do not care about incremental android updates? You ever see a news report on the BBC or other major news network highlighting the sheer number of HTC android users who are very angry about the "lack of updates"? No, its because you and others like you make up a tiny proportion of HTCs userbase.

The only point of yours that made any sense.

Do I smell an oxymoron? How can HTC keep pace with the "frontrunners" if they do not release new devices? I'll get to S-OFF in a second.

So, lets get this straight, you bought the handset based on S-OFF advice from "fan boys"? Take a step back and see how ridiculous that sounds. What were you expecting to get from asking "fan boys"? Sound reasonable technical advice?

Simple question. Did your handset work yesterday? Does it work today? Will it work tomorrow? If your answers are yes, then you got what you paid for. HTC do not "owe" us anything short of what we paid for.

Apologies if this makes uncomfortable reading for some of you, but this needed to be posted.
[HTC One X] stuart0001:
Like every other date cited, this is no more than an estimate and was probably made before the realisation of bugs in the update which have delayed even the unbranded version. Don't pin your hopes on these dates.
[HTC One X] exocetdj:
exquisitely put!!! :)
[HTC One X] galaxys2Tav:
Sorry if this is the same crap over again but for us H3G branded this is what 3 got back to me saying today

they have said this to me previously but been a carrier I know what there like

Sent from my ncx - renovated hox
[HTC One X] amirage:
Hi all, just to add oil to the fire (if there was one in the first place), have a look at what HTC's got to say to an email that I sent (for the heck of it) about JB update. I have _044 device based in Dubai; check out the contact details that the fellow points to...How did UK come into the picture...

--quote

Dear Amit Raj,

Thank you for contacting HTC regarding your HTC Device

My name is Michael and I am a Technical Support Agent for the HTC Written Team.

I am afraid that we do not currently have any release dates for this update. I would recommend checking our webpage regularly as any additional information will be posted here.

I am confident that this will resolve your query, in the unlikely event that this does not please call or instant chat to one of our Customer Service Agents who will be waiting to guide you through step by step. Our Contact Details can be found at www.htc.com/uk/contact

Should you wish to continue your correspondence via email then please reply using the link below and provide the following information:

Full Name

Address

Contact Number

Convenient time to call (please allow 24hrs from replying – our opening hours can be found on our website the link is above)

IMEI (Found by dialling *#06# from your keypad)

To let me know I have successfully answered your query, please follow the link below to close your enquiry, you will have the opportunity to leave feedback about your experience contacting me today.

Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.

To send a reply to this message, please click here.

Sincerely,

Michael

HTC

--unquote

Like some great mind here said, these fellows are simply pulling numbers out of their arses. They have no idea what they are talking about. If only they maintained a common view point, this would have cleared out a lot of confusion in the first place. You ask 10 HTC reps about this update, you will get 100 different replies none of which would make sense and at least 1 reply pertaining to how this all Apple's and Samsung's fault...:cool:

But like Andy wisely said, HTC doesn't give a rats arse about us (xda community)...they will release the update when they think it's ready regardless of how far behind it is from the current android version...

Till then...just forget about the "update now" button and enjoy your phone...
[HTC One X] colinmc8:
I don't know what this thread is about anymore. I wish they would just close it already.

The amount of negativity coming out of peoples head's is amazing!
[HTC One X] tasos12:
Totaly agree negativity doesnt help.

No matter how much we shout it wont make them release the update a moment sooner than they will.

Besides trying to see it from their point of view complaining would be much bigger if they release it and its full of bugs.

Imaging they release it globaly and all ONE Xs lost connectivity on WiFi like the Taiwan users suffered from.

If that happened shouting would hit the roof and it would be justified as the phone would not live up to what was promised when bought.

From my side I have decided to take it easy with the update and just wait checking the forum and hitting the update button whenever I feel like it(usualy once every couple of days...)
[HTC One X] richardlu_yy:
UPADTE: Optus branded HTC One X (CID OPTUS001) is expected to receive Jelly Bean in early December, testing underway. :)

Sorry unable to post the link at the moment, Google Optus Android Update for the source.
[HTC One X] Dysphonic:
It might help to soothe frustrations if there was some acknowledgement of the negative things some people are saying rather than just slating them. I bought the One X because I understood that it would be updated to JB but weeks later it hasn't happened. Why did the beta testing not pick up all the serious problems we have been hearing about? Vanilla JB isn't falling apart so what is the origin of these bugs? Drivers -no, because cm10 etc are ok. In Sense perhaps.
[HTC One X] XxVcVxX:
Hell, if you wanted to get something that can run CM9 good, BUY A GODDAMN NEXUS AND STOP WHINING.

In regards to development on the hox compared to other flagships, I believe cyanogenmod is dropping the sgs3? Everybody here is just waiting for the jb kernel source to be released.
[HTC One X] StefanCelMare:
What needs to be pointed out here is that the Galaxy Samsung SIII, is placed to be update at the end of december!!!

How is that possible, isn't the 4.1 update already rolled out for the SGIII for a few weeks?

I understand that carriers need to adjust the update to their network or whatever, but is it realistic to state that you'll deliver the HOX update sooner than the Galaxy SIII?

I think because of this, I consider the source to be unreliable.

Probably we''ll get 4.1 by the end of the month on international unbranded HOX, so I'd just wait for that.
[HTC One X] TwistedVision:
It's probably for the branded HOX's.. because the OTA-updates are depending on your CID..
[HTC One X] GriffinSauce:
Something for everyone in this thread to think about:

When is it acceptable to stop updating a product?

I think the One X deserves JB, no question, but beyond that. A company cannot keep updating older products for free, with each new product they would thin out their resources even more.

An idea for a solution would be:

A very clear notation of how many updates a product will recieve (for example: "Two major releases and all minor releases within those")

Anything beyond that are paid updates, like DLC for games. (you want JB on your 3 year old device? Fine, that'll be $10)

I'm not saying all updates should be paid for, no way. But this "freemium" like model could ensure that HTC and other companies can allocate proper resources to updates and customers would know 100% what to expect.

Using the above (random) numbers the One X would recieve JB and KLP as part of the purchase. Further updates would be offered as paid updates. Please note this is just an idea to think outside of the box for a solution, but I think it might work pretty well.
[HTC One X] sabret00the:
Thanks for your well thought out and well articulated post. At the time I bought my phone, there were no concrete rumours of the next Nexus. The Nexus 4 is certainly an interesting phone and had it have been out in July, I'd have surely considered it. However the Galaxy Nexus was only dual core and I wanted to future-proof my purchase for at least 12 months with a quad core. Regarding the SGS3 and it's relationship with CyanogenMod, it's pretty much been rocky throughout the life cycle of CM9 and CM10 due to a lack of source code and binaries. Samsung have made communication stating they'd like to do better and I haven't been following the story to add more on the matter. But then again, what the SGS3 is doing is irrelevant here. I personally do not like Samsungs and doubt for the foreseeable future that I'd purchase a Samsung smartphone.
[HTC One X] mdegroux:
Yes it's for SFR branded phones. and the source of this roadmap is from SFR