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[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
This could be true. Samsung's doing the same thing, at least in the UK. Knowing that the high volume of unlocked devices they sell there are going to be used on the multiple UK carriers, as a courtesy, they've done additional testing with them before rolling out updates. If you remember, the One X 4.0.4 update for the UK was delayed beyond other EU regions.

I'm sure they had a "timeframe" and an internal "deadline." Taiwan rolled out and they stopped so it would appear something happened. I'd agree with what you said if there wasn't so much activity going on. They pushed an update to Taiwan the week the ROM was released and the Elevate members have been testing additional ROMs since then. That (to me) sounds like a company that's being thorough and concerned about quality. As for us trying to change HTC's update process, good luck with that.

This could be true. Samsung did it with OG G-Tab by waiting nine months before updating it to allow the G-Tab 2 to be on the market with ICS for a while. But during that nine months there was no communication, no leaks, and no hint that they were even working on it. I'd hope if HTC intended to do something similar they'd have been a little more clandestine about their plans for our One X. And they aren't "identical." The One X+ is using a different version of Teg3, has a different memory clock speed, different audio h/w, and the camera's are treated differently. A lot of what's been done for the One X+ is reusable but not all of it. If the same dev team is working on the s/w for both devices because they are so similar it does make sense that they'd focus on the newer device first. If getting the One X+ ready for launch took more time than they planned that could have caused some of our delays.

And this is the first sensible response I've seen from HTC. Picking random dates like "November 19th" out of their butts doesn't make sense until the update is 100% certified which it's not if Football just received another test ROM yesterday.
[HTC One X] tkolev:
Samsung? What the hell has Samsung to do with JB update of the HOX? Go buy their plastic s#it with their pentile screens and their "iOSwiz" if you like them so much. Like they haven't ever put an update at hold after the initial launch...

I don't know their PM, but given the fact that their top priority should be the new products (you, being so enlightened, should know - the ones they have to sell to keep functioning as a company), and if the HOX+ JB is in the condition our ICS was at the HOX launch, HTC would be crazy to risk their future by ceasing development for their latest products, just to please a bunch of spoiled kids that hardly make 1% of their users.
[HTC One X] StefanCelMare:
Nothing new in the Romanian forum on the guy saying he got the update.

However, he appears to have bought the phone second hand, as it is locked in a network, and he does not know which.

CID is 032.

Maybe the phone belonged to an elevate member? :D

On another note, I'd agree with november as release date, HTC did say soon after the initial release on 26th of October that in about 45 days it will get to all devices.

That would be 10th of December.

If you want most devices to get it by that date, you need to start the rollout in November, be it mid November or end November.

I don't agree with those saying that the dev team from HTC has no deadline, or is ignoring them.

If you pay attention to the official channels and the elevate members, it is clear that there is a deadline, november-ish.

Hoping for a solid update, with as few bugs as possible!
[HTC One X] Atlantics:
This strange and uncertain situation "concern about quality" and constant change of deadline now sounds like a lack of proper management.

They can produce test ROMs every day, remove old bugs and add new ones.

And all this will go on in the same direction to infinity, until customers start to exert some pressure on the management of HTC.

Same good luck with waiting to infinity, I don't understand what for only :laugh:
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Well said (if a little harsh ;) ). The shipping ROM on the One X was so bad as to be embarrassing. The 4.0.4 update was 180 degrees the opposite. If the ROM we're currently on had a ton of stuff that was broken in it I could see the amount of anxiety people are showing being appropriate. If 4.1 is as solid as 4.0.4 than in a couple of weeks all this update madness will blow over and we can start talking about the phone itself again. Let's say HTC found stuff that was borked in the Taiwan ROM and decided to ship it anyway a couple of weeks ago. What would we be talking about? Most likely how incompetent HTC is, post after post discussing all the bugs we found, and another round of discussions on when the update for the update was going to be released. We'll still have those conversations BTW if 4.1 isn't near perfect when it rolls out. ;)

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Do you know anyone that works in product management or product marketing? Ask them about their personal experiences in setting and meeting deadlines and deliverables. Bad things happen to great managers through no fault of their own and having nothing to do with their competence. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
[HTC One X] BenPope:
It's about attention to detail; the correct CID is HTC__621, i.e., capitals and two underscores.
[HTC One X] JaxzTReaper:
+Thanks :good:
[HTC One X] Vcek:
+1
[HTC One X] Wilks3y:
Sorted :)
[HTC One X] JaxzTReaper:
H3G here. Nothing to report, you are not alone. lol
[HTC One X] Atlantics:
ОК This is not my personal opinion, but the opinion of the person associated with the software development and product management (Oracle Corporation).

LACK OF PROPER PROJECT MANAGEMENT

OK, guys. Lie down on the sofa and wait for the good uncle who will bring to your sofa HOX with update to JB :D
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Ironic. I've been personally involved in two projects (out of many) with Oracle where I was handsomely compensated for project delays because they either miscalculated the work to be done or hit project snags which caused a restitution clause in the contract to kick-in. Both payments were seven figures and essentially wiped out their profits from the projects. I've also entered in to fixed-bid contracts with overly enthusiastic vendors knowing that they've dramatically underestimated both the time and work to be done. So the project is late (as I expected) but they screwed themselves financially and I've saved a fortune over what the project was really worth. The point being that every project is unique and that even companies like Oracle aren't psychic and can't predict the unknown and quite often miscalculate the scope of work. I've said it before, HTC's development and project teams could be a group of bumbling idiots. But sitting on the sidelines it appears their biggest flaw is communication.
[HTC One X] Atlantics:
:good:

Сlearly, you're absolutely right. And I am afraid that our falling asleep on the sofa leads to the fact that we do not get update this year
[HTC One X] tkolev:
Well someone who has no clue about sw development thinks he has the right to fire and hire in a company he bought a phone from. And then out of nowhere - "look how good Samsung are". Forgive me for being "harsh", but it's either that or accusing him in trolling. And I firmly believe that not all that play stupid are trolls ;)

I do think that it's better to wait and have a ROM that doesn't have many serious bugs (there is no bug-free sw) than have an early buggy release.
[HTC One X] Atlantics:
Maybe better for you go fall asleep until spring 2013 and then buy a new phone?

Do you understand that nothing doing itself?

If you need something you must make an effort for this.

Not to wait only
[HTC One X] Andy:
I've said it one before & I will say it again.

No amount of *****ing, whining, emailing HTC, complaining to your wife or attacking oompa loompa's will make HTC push the update any faster.

If your unhappy that its not out yet, don't buy HTC in the future. Its that simple. Neither I nor HTC care.

This is the place to discuss JellyBean, not HTC's shortcomings or their strengths. If you wish to do that, become a shareholder.

Now please stay friendly, as most of you are.
[HTC One X] Atlantics:
I will be happy to discuss JellyBean if somebody will provide it for my HOX
[HTC One X] Andy:
If that is the case, you better stay out until you have it.
[HTC One X] tkolev:
Do you understand that HTC is not going to hold daily press conference how close they are to updating your phone?

That's the last thing I'm going to say to you. You are free to go to HTCs headquarters and hold signs demanding ETAs on updates and peace in the Middle East.
[HTC One X] Atlantics:
I do not have anything to say you if you do not hear/understand me.

OK Is this thread only for lucky men who have JB? And nobody can write until get JB?

Is it forbidden to discuss here JB update delay and its causes?
[HTC One X] Andy:
No, this thread is to discuss JellyBean, as you have previously said,

You obviously don't have it, so what are you doing in this thread? Your doing nothing but complaining.

See the thing is, your not discussing it at all. Your not even stating facts, "Summer 2013" you got a source for that?
[HTC One X] arknailed7754:
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im quite bad for this getting twitchy over the update fiasco..but then

i sit down and remember after all,its still just a phone lol

anything that puts a blanket over android will always take longer..the reason htc take so long is sense is really intergrated..its not straight layer like lame touchwiz or sony for example, i think and my opinion only theres more to sense than just simply ui..ive not tried samsungs in depth due to only owning the nexus so lol its not really valid,but my better half has had a galaxy s and galaxy s 2..i dont see much a MASSIVE difference between actual android and the touchwiz covering her,few apps,keyboard..camera..

so yeah i think sense is more intergrated,im probably wrong mind lol

edit--all devices should be aosp anyway itd be quicker to update..and well the device actually faster lol
[HTC One X] Atlantics:
Lets be true. Where do you see complaining in my posts?

I have some experience in project management for the World Bank (sorry but no experience in software development projects, but

fundamental rules are same) and I see flaws that cause delays. What the problem? If you do not like "Summer 2013" I can change terms on "never successfully".

And I was very upset of your statement that HTC does not care about their customers, if they happy or unhappy. This is a rather dubious claim that it is necessary to become a shareholder in order to be heard by HTC, and this surprises me at all. To hear it from the forum moderator is doubly surprising.
[HTC One X] exoticashu:
Do you mean to say that you have experience in service based project management? and if that is true, the Product management is completely different... the deadline are some time non-realistic or non-achievable due to that nature of complexity in Product..
[HTC One X] colinmc8:
Andy, this information should've been made available sooner!

God knows how many Oompa Loompas suffered needlessly :confused:
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
You missed the point he was making. And I've seen it made here at least a dozen times in this very thread by people that aren't moderators. HTC is behaving like HTC always has. They seem to be putting a little more emphasis on s/w quality but other than that little's changed over time. The bootloader was locked on phones released prior to the One X. That the One X is locked and/or S-OFF unattainable shouldn't be a surprise to any one. So with everyone who purchased a One X knowing their track record on updates and policies on openness they shouldn't be surprised by either of those things. If you don't like their service or policies don't buy their devices. If you have a beef with HTC by all means communicate it to them. Communicating to us (over and over and over) isn't going to change anything and clutters the forum with meaningless, useless, and repetitive posts. No one here can get anyone an update faster or change HTC's policies.
[HTC One X] exocetdj:
:good:

dagnabbit must be noob rage!!!!!!
[HTC One X] AttilaGolik:
Interesting tweet from HTC:

Look at the end: "X is still unrolled" !!!
[HTC One X] Andy:
I was going to quote some, but looking at your posts in this thread from the last 24-48 hours, I don't want to clutter this thread up anymore.

Where did I say they don't care about their customers? I said they do not care about you, or the many like you who have no idea of software management and development and the trials & tribulations that it involves.

So they rush the update out just to suit you and it did not work as expected, leaving all users who updated without what they explicitly paid for. Who wins? You with your lightning fast update and unusable handset. Or HTC with many thousands of very angry customers who did not care for the lightning fast update that broke their handset. The answer is neither.
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
That actually makes sense. Sprint in the U.S. posted internally that the EVO (their version of the XL) was getting JB as early as yesterday. The One S and XL got 4.0.4 before we did so you can assume either our development team is slower than the S4 team or working with Teg3 takes more time.

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Very well said. If people are going to be pissed either way (delays vs. low quality) you may as well deliver on quality.
[HTC One X] huxleypig:
Be careful what you wish for . 4.2 OTA on my Nexus 7 is to say the least, disappointing. anid thats without sense and assorted carrier bloatware
[HTC One X] AttilaGolik:
I was wondering if HTC simply skip Jelly Bean 4.1 and roll out OTA with 4.2 maybe until the end of December that will be a huge slap in Samsung's face. Also it will be a very huge business step. Like what Samsung did with the Galaxy Ace 2: skip ICS, update from GB directly to Jelly Bean. If HTC will do this step I think all whiners will lose their chin XD But I know it won't happen, it's just playing with thoughts, so nothing serious :D
[HTC One X] Shelby5:
Well I have got the JB update 3.14.715.

Its improved battery life drastically for me. About 1 third longer.

Beats Audio now works on Poweramp and other players.

Phone is generally faster to respond.

There are a couple of minor bugs starting to happen :

1.lock screen touch input doesn't work on occasions have turn screen off then back on and it works. This is my common problem.

2.Music played too fast sounded like the chipmunks. Across all 3 music players. Had to restart phone.

3. Headset controller app is useless now

(3rd party app)

Over all I'm happy.
[HTC One X] arknailed7754:
Yeah but its not meant to be a massive overhaul. Just a tweaking. If the x could run aosp with the sense camera

Overjoyed I would be
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
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[HTC One X] backfromthestorm:
That Was Someone Else, Not HTC That Replied.
[HTC One X] tkolev:
That's not going to happen. They will not scrap all their work and start over again. Moreover a month and a half is not nearly enough to make 4.2 work on the HOX. And 4.2 is nothing like a "minor update" on the 4.1. It might seem so to the end user, but it's a major overhaul of the system. The mere fact that you go from a single user system to a multiuser one is bound to cause a lot of trouble. In fact many apps that work fine on 4.1 are FC-ing on 4.2 because of this.

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4.2 does not "suck". It's a step in the right direction. It's the apps that are doing things against the framework that "suck" and now they crash because the framework begins to patch those holes.
[HTC One X] Ambious:
Regarding OP, Israel's official CID is HTC__K18, can't see it updated to JB anywhere.
[HTC One X] Shelby5:
No its a tegra 3 quad core. The xl is dual core and I most certainy have a quad core. Its a Taiwanese version.
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Can you post a screen shot from "about device?" Your 3.14.715 build (assuming it's for the OG One X) is newer than the one Football recently posted. When did you receive it and is it your first, second, or third update? Sorry about the XL comment, I saw you were from Melbourne and thought you had an XL because it's sold there.
[HTC One X] HebeGuess:
Lolz after I dig into his recent posts..

He own .751(Chungwa Telecom) not .715, their current software is 3.14.709.20.

Nothing left to say.

typo: It was 3.14.751.20 not 3.14.709.20 stated above,

the .751. device CID should be the same as .709. while the different between was some additional carrier bloatware.
[HTC One X] Greycloud:
HTC One X AQ Related Query

Hi,

I was recently going through a review of HTC One X+ (Plus) & I noticed one strange thing. This is what GsmArena mentioned about the SQ,"Excellently clean audio output: One of our greatest disappointments when reviewing the HTC One X was its audio output. The One X+ predecessor had high distortion levels and a general performance that didn't suit a flagship device. Luckily, HTC has managed to solve whatever issues it had this time and the One X+ really managed to ace our test. The new HTC top dog delivered some of the cleanest audio output we have seen both with an active external equalizer and with headphones. There are no weak points to its performance whatsoever and if its volume levels weren't only average we'd be recommending it to every audiophile out there. Don't get us wrong - the One X+ is still a great choice for anyone who finds audio quality important - it's just that it's not alone at the top".

If I am not wrong then OX+ is just an overclocked version of OX so I highly doubt that HTC used a different DAC & that additional amplifier thingy is to boost external speaker volume only. So, is it possible that HTC might included a tweaked better audio drivers with JB rom? I am sure many users here have already update OX with official JB so did you notice any improvement/change in audio quality via 3.5mm jack?

Regards.
[HTC One X] tal_sarid:
HTC One X+ is not just an OC version of HTC One X (Although it feels that way). It has some new piece of hardware - Like an amplifier that boosts performance of the One X+ speaker and more...
[HTC One X] Shelby5:
Ok think I got the right images up now BarryH
[HTC One X] ste1164:
Cant wait until you guys get jellybean it is fantastic :) & as someone said. Its worth the wait. If you get it early like SGS3 users did its full of bugs.
[HTC One X] peedub:
I never know what to think with these benchmarks... do they insert things that actually only make a difference for benchmarking scores? Or are the benchmarks clever enough that they aren't fooled by things like that?
[HTC One X] AlekGare:
The same happened to me :(
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Both U.S. versions (AT&T and Sprint) of the Optimus G are having overheating issues which LG denies is a problem (should sound familiar to O2X owners). It could be LG's crappy s/w which wouldn't be an issue on a Nexus device. It could also be LG's crappy h/w and/or something to do with S4 Pro. The grass isn't always greener on the other side but you'll definately get updates faster. ;)
[HTC One X] siroj:
It it is true that JB for the One X is released after the One X+ hits the market, then it shouldn't be long now! Internet seller Clove(UK) is reporting that they have One X+ on stock and are shipping them right now! Source http://blog.clove.co.uk/2012/10/30/htc-one-x-now-in-stock-orders-shipping-wednesday-31st-october/

Edit: even better news, in the General One X+ thread there are people showing proof of One X+ already getting delivered!
[HTC One X] mimo2008:
Hi I got 401 sim free in UK what's difference between 001 and 401

Thx
[HTC One X] marcolorenzo:
I'm in Switzerland and I still haven't received the update yet :(
[HTC One X] mimo2008:
Don't worry Marcus we aint received jb in UK yet as well and after reading so many threads could take some time due to issues and the rolling out over Europe but I don't mind waiting this is my first HTC phone and I'm loving every min off it using ics
[HTC One X] webpatrick:
HTC__001 is the CID number

401 is part of the build number like 2.17.401.2 and 401 stands for WWE (World Wide English). Btw. x.xx.401.x runs on more than one CID, most European unbranded CID's have 401 build.

under here a list copied from Mike1986's post.

Note: This is not the complete list!
[HTC One X] kaospiloten:
I got my new headphones yesterday, Beats wireless great headphones :D:thumbup: anyway, in the shop it was a representative from Htc and I took the liberty to ask him about Jb and he told me he heard it was delayed but it would come after the weekend. I just have his word for it and can't document it but..... :o:o
[HTC One X] marcolorenzo:
Well recently I've been very happy with my phone, although there are occasional slow downs that annoy me a bit. But a couple of months ago, I was ready to smash the phone due to various problems. Thankfully they seem to be fixed now.

I'm a bit restless because I would like to try one of the many ROMS here such as the viperX but I don't wanna do that until I've tried the official Sense 4+...
[HTC One X] StefanCelMare:
I hope I am allowed to post this.

This was posted on a french web page, on October 4th!

Just google with the text if you want to find it.

Bonne nouvelle pour tous les fans des smartphones HTC, propriétaires d’un HTC One XSFR ou d’un HTC One S SFR : la mise à jour vers Jelly Bean arrive et sera proposée par FOTA (Over The Air) à partir du 06 novembre 2012 !

La validation technique de cette mise à jour, pour les 2 plateformes, est en cours dans les Labs SFR.

A suivre !

Good news for all fans of HTC smartphones, HTC owners XSFR One or One S HTC SFR: update to Jelly Bean arrives and will be proposed by FOTA (Over The Air) from November 6, 2012 !

Technical validation of this update for 2 platforms, is currently in Labs SFR.

To be continued!
[HTC One X] mano42:
You know that Michael Jackson song, Billy Jean?

Maybe we can make a HTC version of it:

Jelly Bean is not my firmware... :D
[HTC One X] exocetdj:
Ha ha!!! I was thinking the same thing!!!! :highfive:
[HTC One X] tasos12:
Is that site known to be a credible one?Is there any indication from the past that it has some sort of connection with HTC?

The date sounds logical though....
[HTC One X] StefanCelMare:
The website is of a French carrier, SFR.

It seems trustworthy, it has such announcements for various other models as well, but without a precise date (mise-a-jour section, I know french)

e.g. Samsung Galaxy Ace - Cette mise à jour sera diffusée par FOTA et via le logiciel Samsung KIES, très bientôt. / The update will be distributed via FOTA and KIES soon.

For other models it says "date to be confirmed".

It would be easy to say the same for One X if they did not have a source I suppose.

Later edit:

Somebody asked in the questions section of the SFR site if the date is precise.

The answer was: yes, +/- 1 week!

I've seen that the thread starter has posted such an information, and asks for links, so here it goes:

http://android.sfr.fr/htc-one-xs-sfr/
[HTC One X] nikosssb:
This seems legit and logical. So if this is for branded sfr phones, it means the undranded phones should get it before nov 6.
[HTC One X] masucu:
French Site

Thing is the french site made that post on October 4th, so yes they probably are working on it, but with the recent WI-FI issue... who knows. But with all the issues aside, we will get it eventually.
[HTC One X] nandofalcao:
CSI - Jelly Bean HOX Investigation
[HTC One X] Sckank:
Norwegian HTC Facebook site says: "Jelly Bean are right around the corner. Follow this site, we will give you more information when the update is ready!"