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[Nexus 4 General] PhilipL:
Hi

Something is wrong somewhere as things don't add up. If the processor is overheating and throttling down which I assume includes lower voltages to reduce temperature, I'd have expected battery life to still be up there. What we seem to have is lower performance and higher battery drain than the Optimus G even though phones are the same hardware. Probably a software or driver issue causing very high cpu utilisation, that would cause over-heating requiring throttling and higher batter drain as the CPU is constantly busy, while pushing benchmarks down as they compete for resources. Fingers crossed it is this and fixable.

Regards

Phil
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Are the new Nexus devices losing to the iPhone 5 due to throttling?
[Nexus 4 General] joe_sun:
Gotta say I'm not impressed. Having owned both Samsung built Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus I was excited to see the move away from Samsung for this device but battery life is not even close to what I would expect from a 3g only device and the quad core proc gets worked all over the place. Add in the thermal issues and now I don't know if I'm going to buy one for my wife.

I'm a huge Nexus fan but come on...
[Nexus 4 General] Spitfire:
Overheating would be a concern. Is that normally due to hardware or software issues? I've read that some phones were overheating when ICS was new and an update solved it, same thing here?
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Are these confirmed to be Retail/Final level Nexus 4's?
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
And Overheating can be solved with undervolting, still a smartphone shouldn't overheat in the first place.

Google should get the Chrome OS devellopers to improve Chrome for Android, it's ridiculous that the Chromebook running the same hardware as the Nexus 10 scores 2x higher in browser benchmarks.
[Nexus 4 General] Brac20:
Overheating on early runs of a device is hardly a new thing. My One X used to get very hot. Since the 2.17 patch i've not had the problem at all.

We're also getting different reports on battery life. Some reviews have said it is very good while others say its poor.

Add to that the leaked bench marks that were much higher than what we have seen in a few reviews. It could be that the 4.2 isn't the final version as people have said.
[Nexus 4 General] jaju123:
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/i...us+Owner+Summary&x=mstone&y=owner&cells=tiles

Google chrome bug tracker.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
chrome is just piece of **** :eek:

from my s2
[Nexus 4 General] limpopo:
The battery life testing was browsing only (3G and WiFi), whereas the thermal throttling kicked in only on the GPU tests, so I don't think we can draw that conclusion yet.
[Nexus 4 General] Turbotab:
Billion dollar companies should not release buggy beta to reviewers, are you going to buy a BMW and then have to re-spray it because Otto could not be bothered to do it properly in the factory? If the device is overheating during high-load how are you going to mod that, live inside a fridge the rest of your life?:good:
[Nexus 4 General] shilent:
Can't be the glass back. Glass should be better than plastic when it comes to transferring heat.
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
If anything, it's a moderately lukewarm temperature that should concern no one because that's what phones do these days.
[Nexus 4 General] leventccc:
I think nexus 4 is the new galaxy s. While I was using galaxy s we were always comparing its battery life performance with nexus s, because it was basically the same phone with pure google. And now we are comparing it with optimus g.
[Nexus 4 General] Ravynmagi:
I assumed the back is a layer of glass ontop of a layer of plastic.
[Nexus 4 General] joe_sun:
It's embarassing watching the iphone 5 absolutley destroy the best Android has to offer. It's not even close.:(
[Nexus 4 General] Venekor:
Besides they're not noticing the back getting hot, my GS2 got boiling and still didn't have any issues...
[Nexus 4 General] Harry GT-S5830:
Its entirely possible to put stock browser APK on Nexus 4...
[Nexus 4 General] Spitfire:
I don't know enough about testing and benchmarks, but are these things noticible in normal use? Or is i-stuff just a practice warrior that looks good on tests but nothing special in real use?
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Something is indeed wrong with these results, as the S4PRO is a beast!

Even the powerfull exynos5 did crappy in comparisons, so either faulty tests or software bug.

I cannot see this being hardware at all.

Let's see how those head to head videos look :)
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
hehe icrap 5 and ipad 4 beats every android device in 99% of benchmarks :eek::eek: and Both use only dual core cpu :cyclops:

but really how exynos 5 get 620ms with sunspider in chromebook and get 1350ms in Nexus 10 , damn that 2 times slower -_-
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
There's defiantly something wrong with the software because the hardware is a beast.
[Nexus 4 General] joe_sun:
It's not even that they "beat" them, it's that the 5 just absolutley destroyed the Nexus 4. It's not even close.

The battery life on the LTE iphone 5 is so much better than the Nexus 4 it's comical.

Don't get me wrong, I freaking hate iphones. Almost everyone in my family has one and I can't stand them, but man they are doing something right.
[Nexus 4 General] gideonMorrison:
It's quite absurd and depressing if you actually let that info sink in. This better be due to software.
[Nexus 4 General] Crenshaw-PCGH:
The verge had an software update aviable that they didnt installed before they reviewed.. maybe this will fix some problems?
[Nexus 4 General] -juanito-:
something is wrong .. i have One X running JB 4.1.1 Sense+

Sunspider: 1100 (stock browser)

Sunspider: 1500 or bigger (Chrome)

if Nexus 4 tested with stock browser it will get like 1500 in sunspider
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
so u think google send the review devices with not finished software or kernel

if they did it they are just Stupid :eek:
[Nexus 4 General] munkustrap:
It would surprise me if nothing went wrong with these reviews, cos they are just different versions of pre-release device.

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Unfortunately, they DID.
[Nexus 4 General] milesg:
This is a bit of a concern for me - how can the battery life be so bad, yet the benchmarks aren't great?

If it's pre-release software I would have been smart for Google to mention it when they handed out the review units surely?
[Nexus 4 General] Red Wolf:
Well over heating can be solved for sure, I remember when I got my S3 it had over heating problem google it. There is so many complain about that issue but slowly slowly sammy fixed it :p if sammy can do it thn google will do it for sure. So don't just get so hyped up lol
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
i think there is nothing wrong cuz qualcomm snapdragon cpu's always has sucks html and java performance

hehe even my s2 @1.5 beat it which have only dual core exynos 4210 based on arm A-9

chrome :

stock browser :
[Nexus 4 General] blackhand1001:
Google seriously. Give up on chrome for android it flat out sucks. At least don't ship it as default. Its the lowest rated mainstream browser on the play store. The stock aosp browser is so much better its not even funny. I am really disappointed they keep making this the default. I don't get affected as I always run a ROM but most people don't and the reviews don't either. The nexus 7 is so much better with the aosp browser.

We need to make a petition to have them stop defaulting chrome.(worse yet the default aosp browser isn't even included) All the new Motorola phones are coming with it as well. I can't believe Google is really doing this. If someone wants chrome they can download it from the play store. But the stock android browser should absolutely be the browser shipped with devices.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
This! Google chrom sucks really bad in my opinion in terms of smoothness, they should have sticked with a jelly bean version of the ICS browser that shipped with the nexus, it is the best mobile browser.
[Nexus 4 General] raze599:
I made a post in the other thread about performance: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=33634026#post33634026

Some reviews are saying Chrome runs really fast and fluid.
[Nexus 4 General] mesasone:
I'm sure they'll get this figured out, but it's concerning that is this happening at all. The device ships in two weeks, major issues like these (terrible performance, battery life) should already have been solved. They certainly shouldn't have sent out review samples if the device isn't ready.

Good news is that given these issues (shoddy performance, at least) seem to be affecting both the Nexus 4 and the Nexus 10, it looks like there is a software issue to be resolved and not a hardware issue.

I'm surprised to see all the hate for Chrome here though... I use Chrome on my One X(L) and love it. It may not benchmark as fast, but in actual usage it is more than fast enough... the UI is great, very intuitive imho, and having my tabs, bookmarks and saved passwords synced and a godsend. To each their own, I guess.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
+1

i'm not sure what the hell of using sucks crap **** chrome as stock browser ( haha the funny thing too is ios version based on b22 and our version based on b18 ):mad:

if they really want to use it as stock they should make it faster and smoother ( as desktop version ) :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] FISKER_Q:
Probably because Chrome on Android is an actual browser based on Chrome whereas Chrome on iOS is just the Chrome frontend on Apple's webview rendering.
[Nexus 4 General] 121C4:
Does it matter if chrome is crap? This is xda! Members here will just use another browser as default, surely?
[Nexus 4 General] VictorNYC:
I agree they say that about EVERY PRODUCT now days... My "new" iPad was supposedly overheating according to CNET and everybody also and their mama but after 7 months I haven't had one single problem ... If anything my $ is on the LCD display they are using now since my MacBook Pro with Retina display runs a little hot to .... LG makes the displays for apple now.. But like plenty of ppl here said already overheating can be easily fix with a little UV until the kernel it's fixed ...
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
Why it is absurd and depressing? It is only logical.

2 Ferraris in your garage will give you much better chances at winning the race than 4 VW Golfs. This is quite an accurate analogy by the way.

Single thread performance is really what matters most, while more than 2 cores currently are mostly for the spec sheet and bragging rights.

Apple and Qualcomm took different paths in this generation of the chips and Google can't really do anything about it (or anyone else not producing their own chips).

Apple seriously pushed on the single thread performance and here is the result. While Qualcomm just slapped two more Kraits (because they can) which remain dormant for the most of the time since there is not enough independent work for them to do.

On the other hand, I fail to see why this matters, even 2 Kraits are plenty fast. I just hope that those 2 remaining cores can be shut down when idling (99.99% of a time) without much power penalty. There are no faster chips on the market anyway, so we aren't missing anything. Unless Apple agrees to supply their A6 to google and become their next nexus oem :)
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Well, according to apples favourite benchmark program - The Nexus 4 destroys the iPhone 5 in geekbench.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
are u serious :silly:

Iphone 5 and i pad 4 destroyed all android devices ( even GS3 - Gnote2 - HOX + - Optimus G ) in gpu and html , java , html5 benchmarks

which is BIG +1 for apple even i really hate them :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
Why not, it will most probably destroy iphone5 on anything involving more than 2 parallel threads. It is just not really common scenario in the real life. Except some heavy multimedia processing, but such things are better handled by DSP's anyway.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Apple users have used geekbench for a long time to judge superiority,

But now the Nexus 4 destroys it in the same test, its no longer is valid?
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
Except Anandtech didn't do any CPU benchmarks. JS browser benchmarks like SunSpider are just that... Browser benchmarks. Apple has one of the best mobile browsers in the industry so it's no surprise that they take the lead in browser benchmarks. If Anandtech ran a CPU benchmark like Linpack and the Swift came out significantly better single threaded then I might agree with you (though it really shouldn't, if you look at the CPU block diagrams the Krait cores are very similar to Swift, with a 25% clock advantage).

The real surprise comes from the GPU side. The Adreno 320 should perform similarly to the PowerVR 543 MP3 in the iPhone 5, but it gets absolutely crushed. That's pretty disappointing.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Nexus 4 is scoring 4900 on quadrant, and under 9000 on Antutu

The scores don't match the hardware, that's all.

It will all get fixed before release.

It should score 8000 on quadrant, and 14,000 on Antutu

All this *****ing & moaning for a pre-release unit on pre-release software.

Geeeez.

Same with being a PC gamer,

The amount of PC games I can't play at launch, due to software issues, driver issues etc -, you know your PC is powerfull enough, yet runs like crap on a not-so-heavy game and you don't understand fully why.

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The fact is - every single reviewer out-there have said this is the fastest phone they have ever used, including those that seem to be pro-apple over the years.

The benchmarks will follow, once its released.

I don't understand why benchmarks have even been 'published' on hardware/software that Google have told them isn't finished.

They shouldnt be posting beta benchmarks, very unprofessional!
[Nexus 4 General] raze599:
Brilliant example xD

My PC is more than good enough to play Crysis at maximum settings, yet GTA4 runs like crap.
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
How can these big tech sites like Engadget or the Verge even call it review when they did neither have final software nor final hardware? That's not very professional, but I guess being the first and generating clicks is all that matters.

At least Anandtech did it right by calling their initial series of Benchmarks performance preview.
[Nexus 4 General] draugaz:
One could take something like geekbench and look at the CPU performance:

iphone 4S - Processor integer performance 553

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1238530

iphone 5 - Processor integer performance 1252

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1238537

RAZR HD (krait) - Processor integer performance 942

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1230431

To confirm it is not just a motorola anomaly:

HTC One X USA (Krait) Processor integer performance 950

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1238215

Which would suggest the A6 has a better single threaded performance indeed since all of them have the same core count.

Apple is also known for perfectly tuned GPU libraries, while google never looked particularly focused on squeezing out the last bit of the GPU performance. Which is hardly surprising given the size of their nexus hardware business.

Who knows the state of Adreno320 drivers? There is a huge gulf between just "working correctly" and "powering at full speed".
[Nexus 4 General] eep2378:
Stop with the benchmarks already. They don't mean $hit!! :)
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
But Krait has higher FP performance. Single threaded performance will depend on the workload... Nobody does only int operations on the CPU, so it's a wash.

People are disappointed that the Nexus 4 is not performing to the maximum potential of its hardware, which is think is a fair point. But we should wait for the final software to be out before jumping to any conclusions.
[Nexus 4 General] Venekor:
Surely single core performance is more important on these devices where most software isn't multithreaded.

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Speak for yourself, I run GTA 4 at 80+FPS maxed out.
[Nexus 4 General] Qbancelli:
Amen!

The most overrated mobile app ever!
[Nexus 4 General] evohog:
All I have to say is cm10 or 11, whichever it'll be and thats that.

N2
[Nexus 4 General] yumcax:
I have a different outlook on this, I think it means that the S4 Pro might be clocked too high; if it could be clocked down to run cooler and still perform at the level of the Galaxy Nexus or so, we might see some pretty great battery life, as well as the benefits of a quad core CPU without overheating.
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
IMHO quad core cpu for mobile device is overrated and not needed ( are going to run photo shop on ur mobile ? or after effect ? ) + quad core use more battery :cyclops:

google really shouldn't be used crappy karit s4 pro they was should use dual core exynos 5250 which based on ARM-A15 and more battery friendly with way better gpu and way better cpu :rolleyes:

edit : if u look a bit back and compare exynos cpu with qualcomm exynos always win

exynos 3110 vs snapdragon s2

exynos 4210 vs snapdragon s3

exynos 4412 vs snapdragon s4
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
The Samsung cpu you talk of isn't even in any Samsung phones yet (and their Mali gpus suck), you might aswell talk of a PlayStation 4 being better than a Wii u

The S4Pro is the best cpu & gpu available to Google, so I'm stoked they chose it.
[Nexus 4 General] wurzelsepp3:
1. The S4pro isn't crappy

2. how do you know the exynos 5250 is more battery friendly?

3.The GPU isn't "way" better if you take a look at GL Benchmark results you will se that they perform about the same.

Not quite:

exynos 3110 < snapdragon s2

the cpu performance of the snapdragon s2 was superior compared to the exynos 3110 (aka Hummingbird),

it could also achieve much higher clockspeeds. GPU performance was on par (the Hummingbird was better in the beginning, but Qualcomm later improved their drivers.

exynos 4210 > snapdragon s3 :

Exynos 4210 is superior terms of CPU and GPU

exynos 4412 < snapdragon s4pro:

The exynos 4412 is a exynos 4210 shrunk to 32nm with 2 more cores and higher clockespeeds,

the S4pro beats the exynos 4412 in most benchmarks (if you look at the Optimus G benchmarks)

and the Adreno 320 is 2-3x faster then the mali-400mp.
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
I'm gonna do video editing and 3D rendering on my phone.
[Nexus 4 General] abe in space:
Google gave them devices, and said "review them." I know there's always a temptation to yell at the ump when you don't like the call, but they have no one to blame but themselves.

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Is this really your line of reasoning? "I don't need its performance to be good, therefore, who cares that it isn't?"
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
You know many games are rendered in 3D right? And that those games are the reason Apple and Qualcomm put such powerful GPUs in their chips? If it can't render 3D without overheating then that Adreno 320 has gone to waste. No I don't care if you don't run the games, the point is that the GPU is there specifically for people who do.

This place is going off the deep end.
[Nexus 4 General] c0LdFire:
That tells me Chrome doesn't take advantage of more then two threads. I just got 1531ms on my Gnex running only a mild 1.3ghz over clock.
[Nexus 4 General] Turbotab:
Javascript is single-threaded, HTML5 brings the possibility of running concurrent JS scripts, but most of the web is still HTML4, if you open lots of tabs in Chrome you will hit more than one core, but that doesn't help ultimate performance, just makes multi-tasking better. All the signs, Chromium logs point to a big update to Chrome to version 23 or 24, it would been better to launch it with 4.2, I suspect will we all been praising Chrome before the end of 2012, but is doesn't excuse Google for tainting the launch of 2 great devices with a browser that is slower and most importantly less fluid than stock AOSP.

I will still buy a Nexus 4, but I'm going to wait a couple of months to ensure there are no major QA issues.
[Nexus 4 General] hippieschuh:
Im using a Nexus S and I can report of simular ****ty Performance when using Chrome Browser. And its not just when using the Browser itself, alone having the Browser running slows the hole system down.

I cant remember since when but it was fine on gingerbread or chrome beta.

There are other simular reports:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1780019

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1799016

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1872901

It seams to me that the bad performance & bad battery might be because of some Issue with JB and Chrome.

When I compare the Stock android browser with Chrome on my Nexus S, the chrome is realy bad. On the other Hand the Stock browser is super smooth and fast (even on this old device).

The Problem is ->> Nexus 4 doesnt come with Stock browser (same as Nexus 7)

So if you plan on getting a Nexus 4, also think about switching browsers since at its current state, chrome is bad.

btw here are some benchmarks with sunspider:

3469ms opera

2765ms stock android

3734ms chrome
[Nexus 4 General] kindiboy:
It's idiotic to trust Anandtech...
[Nexus 4 General] abe in space:
Is there supposed to be something on the end of that ellipsis, or are you just throwing around accusations here? Any evidence?
[Nexus 4 General] kindiboy:
yea the something at the end of the ellipses is...tsk tsk tsk...

Evidently you have to check their track record when they benchmark mobile phones... How can you benchmark something on different playing fields, OSs are different, hardware is different, screen sizes are different, benchmark softwares are different (most of the time not optimized for new devices when they run those benchmarks) etc... everything is different so no those benchmarks are garbage. They don't mean anything. Check how people make or wait check how Anandtech does benchmarks for PCs those are good. Wonder why other reputable benchmark sites could give a rat-ass about mobile benchmarks... Only reason Anandtech are doing what they are doing is because they want more clicks so they can move in more ads which is exactly why it's idiotic to trust them because they probably know the truthfulness/reality of this better than most people do. Problem is people have no clue what a benchmark mean, people need to pay more attention in their statistics classes at least...hence the tsk tsk tsk...

That's the gist of it, if you want hard evidence look for it yourself.
[Nexus 4 General] d.brown:
GUYS THESE REVIEW UNITS DOES NOT HAVE THE FINAL SOFTWARE...THERE SEEMS TO BE KERNEL ISSUES... I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT N4 PERFORMANCE when development start its gonna unleash the beat (hopefully)

Sent from my SGH-I747
[Nexus 4 General] ferris2375:
Thanks for yelling that. That's actually the first anyone has mentioned anything about this phone not running on final software and kernels.

:rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] bustem:
sometimes i think my s1 is going to melt but never had problems because of that