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[Motorola Droid RAZR] Pokelover980:
Everyone seems to be falling down the slippery slope here. "Verizon got rid of unlimited data and put in place limited plans. Therefore, they must want to control us and [list of other bad things]." While that could be a valid argument, it's a slippery slope because you have no proof of anything in between. Likewise, my argument and others similar to mine also fall down the slippery slope, but they're less absurd and follow Occam's razor; that is, our arguments make the least assumptions (we assume that Verizon likely has some motive that isn't them being out to get you. Your arguments assume that Verizon wants to take your money and limit your usage and control your plan and so on and so forth, and then you assume all these ways that they plan on getting to their ends), and therefore is the better selection. The less popular Hitchen's razor could also come into play here, where it is upon those who claim that Verizon is acting maliciously to provide the burden of proof. I'd say Hanlon's razor as well, but I don't think Verizon's actions can be properly attributed to either incompetence or malice.

Long story short: this thread is filled with fallacies, and both sides in this are able to invoke philosophical razors.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bwheelies:
You are casting a nice blanket statement saying people see how much data they can just for the fun of it.

You have an insignificant number of users who actually do this. Next to none.

Just because there are a couple folks on a couple of internet forums that use their contractual allotment prodigiously means very little to the entire consumer base whose size far exceeds our little grain of sand enthusiast base.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Pokelover980:
But it's not just a couple of people. Take a look around all of XDA, which likely represents a majority of the people who are still holding on to their unlimited data as if their life depends upon it. You'll see that these posts don't just happen here on the Droid RAZR board, and it's more than just a few people on the internet. It may be an insignificant number of users when compared to the number of people with data plans, but it likely is a significant percentage of the users who plan on keeping unlimited data no matter what they have to do to keep it. Every time someone complains about the change from unlimited data, you see plenty of posts from people saying that they're holding on to it and are using large amounts of data like this. This is why I make this generalization - there seem to be far more people talking about using as much data as they can than there are people who try to say that perhaps we don't need to use so much data.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bwheelies:
Hate to say it but this is pure BS speculation based on the tiniest percentage of user.

If 50 users from 30 forums were doing this it would be 1500 users out of how many total?

Kind of like a group of people from a forum whining to a carrier about an update when they account for maybe .01% of a user base.

It is a very small minded way to think, casting your beliefs based on the smallest of sects.

The people who will fight to keep their data are the ones that use it.

If someone doesn't use it then yes, no sense in keeping unlimited.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] marculous:
i love my unlimited data so much (20+gb/mo.) im going to pay full price for my next phone. i would pay less for that than my data at 2012 vzw LIMITED data prices.

DROID RAZR
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Space_Ghost716:
yeah it is

i love my unlimited data i can pull 80 gig easy between netflix or online gaming its a life saver rather pay my 30$ a month for that than get cox or rogers or att home wifi and pay more for slower connections.... but i got an insurance phone replacement and this one doesnt like to work with wireless tether apps or apks im not sure why checked my root and everything but it just wont put off a signal.

with 4 g unlimited data is boss end of story
[Motorola Droid RAZR] tydiamond11:
Any one have any advice about me doing a AOL from a friends phone that has the unlimited plan to my phone? I have the 2gb 30$ plan right now I will be doing this in the next month. Even if Verizon gets rid of the plan latter it is still better then what I have right now. And I can always go back.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Krooked247:
Unlimited 4G here. Won't get rid of this plan for anything. Definitely going to pay full price and buy my next phone out right to keep my contract/plan from changing. Just with google music I stream like 4 gigs a week. If I had to pay the $$$ for a data plan to cover all that I could probably buy multiple brand new phones instead within just a couple months from the difference.

I'm sure they will find a way to kick us all off our unlimited data contracts, but until then I'm gonna stick it out with Verizon. I plan on leaving ASAP when they kill off my contract.

Krooked All Day...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] tech_head:
Verizon doesn't care about the few people left with unlimited. They get extra money because the amount of the phone subsidy they get to keep. So they get at least an extra $400 over 2 years. They aren't going to kick us off, they will wait until we get tired of buying full price phones. That won't happen with the deal I have.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] tydiamond11:
Yeah I just have to figure out how to help my friend keep his number. But it looks like it will not work with the aol to keep his number for him and my number for me and transfer just the data plan. But i hope he will let his number go too.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Krooked247:
I've noticed sometimes it really just depends on the rep you deal with. I used to have an og droid with unlimited data (3G) and I upgraded to the D4 and he did something to let me get the upgrade and keep my unlimited data. And I went from 3g to 4g and kept it. I suppose I won't get as lucky again but I have another line with an upgrade I can use then just switch sims after I have the new phone. That's my plan for now.

Krooked All Day...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] tydiamond11:
You can just add a $10 line and use that for upgrading. And then just change the phones lol
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Krooked247:
Yea this is what I'm probably going to do.

Krooked All Day..
[Motorola Droid RAZR] tydiamond11:
Good I am still working on getting unlimited from my friend lol
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bradg24:
Will not they change your plan when you add a line though?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] BenniBenassi:
I see that 'abusing' the bandwith is OK as long as you pay for it?

So the money you pay for it makes the bad side effects of 'data hogging' simply go away?

And if people pay for their huge monthly usage, can you then watch few additional youtube videos a month, that you could not have otherwise been able to watch if people didn't pay?

And when plan is unlimited and you use the plan according to its terms and conditions, somehow what you do is wrong?

Hippocracy, I say.

I say, you can repair all the damage done by data hoggers by simply buying a bigger plan and not using your phone at all. Just switch it off.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] tydiamond11:
It will not get rid of your unlimited just add it with the $30 2gb plan and then switch the phones and change that line to just calling part. I will post a link for more info as soon as i find it again lol

---------- Post added at 05:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:30 PM ----------

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/17/keep-unlimited-data-verizon-upgrade/
[Motorola Droid RAZR] DigitalJosee:
Any speedtest of the 4G speed?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] tydiamond11:
4g on four bars is around 20 down and 18 to 20 up for me and just little bit give or take
[Motorola Droid RAZR] tydiamond11:
I just found this boy does this help now My friend can keep his number and i can do the same and still get the unlimited data plan.

https://community.verizonwireless.com/message/1000949?tstart=0#1000949

I hope some one is helped with this info.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] AliceInUnderland:
I hear bull about "data hogs" all the time. I pay 30 bucks for an unlimited plan but I have to only use a certain amount each month because I might ruin it for the rest of the customers? Why would I pay for unlimited data if I can't use it like unlimited data? The overhead they make on data prices and these new shared plans is ridiculous - it is by all means just greed. Poor Verizon or any other big wig cell phone company.

I just used 30GB in the last two weeks on an unlimited plan with Verizon and there's no way I'm gonna start metering my usage because some people are confused about how cell phone companies actually work.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] tydiamond11:
Also it does not make the other people slow down ether it is just when a lot of people are on the same network. Like mostly when and the time of day. That is how it goes on everything.
[Nexus 4 General] Snow_fox:
Alright guys, I know a lot of you are bummed out the Nexus 4 has a cap of 16gb.

I only want to mention that *the Optimus G exist with what on want in two flavors. Either 32gb on Sprint or 16gb internal and 16gb external on AT&T.

Right now the status of the bootloader for the Optimus G is locked but, *IF* they unlock it, it will be a Nexus device with LTE AND more storage.

It might be a long shot but, why not sign the petition in the Optimus G forums and see what happens? If it can get an unlocked boot loader, it would be a major win for everyone since it's using identical hardware to the Nexus with more perks and it would give contract options to those who are stuck with At&t or Sprint anyway.

I know it's unlikely but, it's a perfect opportunity for a lot of us to get everything we want and there is no point in wasting it.
[Nexus 4 General] jacklebott:
Nearly identical hardware. Especially the Sprint version is fairly different. Only time will tell how easily a rom from the Nexus 4 could be ported to an Optimus G. (already signed the petition weeks ago btw)
[Nexus 4 General] rumthin:
Unlocking the bootloader is only like half the battle. If LG doesn't provide up-to-date source code, getting a stable AOSP/AOKP rom running on it will be very difficult. Considering LG's track record, I doubt they'll provide any source code.
[Nexus 4 General] Snow_fox:
I'm glad you signed the petition! And while it's entirely possible I missed something, I think there is a pretty strong chance with an unlocked bootloader the Optimus G will provide the best of both worlds. ROMs to keep it up to date and more space for those who need it.

I will agree I could be totally wrong and only time will tell.. But, I sincerely hope I get the chance to be proven wrong if I am.
[Nexus 4 General] Snow_fox:
AFAIK it won't matter a whole lot because, Qualcomm does provide plenty of sources.
[Nexus 4 General] happydolphin:
LG has no plans to unlock the bootloader. The source of this was from a representative. Unfortunate, but logically, why would LG release 2 devices with almost identical hardware ans both having unlockable bootloaders, especially with one being significantly cheaper than the other.
[Nexus 4 General] StuMcBill:
I had an HTC Desire, which was almost identical to the Nexus One, and it wasn't as easy as unlocking it and flashing, there were HTC Desire specific drivers which couldn't be obtained from AOSP.
[Nexus 4 General] Shark87:
Also depends on how much desperately people need more storage. Obviously there's a lot of chatter over it (heck even I'm torn in this debate), but there are so many factors as well. While in the most ideal situation you can convert the Optimus G into a Nexus 4, you still have those slight hardware differences as pointed out before. Then there is pricing. The Optimus G unlocked costs a lot more unlocked and if you go the post-paid way you'll be locking yourself into a 2 year contract.
[Nexus 4 General] Snow_fox:
If people are unable to get out of their contract for one reason or another, they can still get a deal on the carrier branded version.

Logically why would LG NOT unlock the bootloaders? It just means anyone who wants ROMs/Updates can get them. There is frequently carrier branded and unbranded versions of phones.

ROMs don't have an automatic compatibility between devices but, a large number of drivers will probably be usable from the Nexus itself. HTC devices in general are a pain to dev for sadly. If they weren't I'd be considering the One X+ even if it is more sluggish than the Optimus G.

As I said it's not an ideal solution for everyone. However, more people and more support makes it more ideal for everyone involved.

If you are on At&t and a family plan anyway, it's 200$ to get the Optimus G and comes with expandable memory.

I wouldn't say you can "convert the G into nexus 4" per se, I'd say with proper dev support it would be the next best thing to a Nexus 4.

I also wouldn't advocate purchasing the Optimus G off contract unless it was for sure getting an unlocked bootloader.

I completely understand none of this is an "ideal situation" but, honestly if people would show interest, great things could happen.
[Nexus 4 General] slicingtaco:
Hopefully the LG Optimus G will get JellyBean at least, if locked bootloaders weren't enough:mad: and if LG doesn't decide to be so rude.
[Nexus 4 General] w0rlok:
bootloaders been unlocked for past 10 days but still no roms
[Nexus 4 General] droidmakespwn:
This is the greatness of a nexus. There were Roms before the phone was officially released. It's the same thing every year. Last year was galaxy nexus vs RAZR and rezound. This year it's nexus 4 vs s3, note 2 and optimus g. Just like every year the only one of these phones that are still going to matter in a few months is the nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] powerwagon:
Haha...pretty sure the N2 and s3 will still matter in a few months. The N2 could arguably be the most advanced smartphone made to date.
[Nexus 4 General] droidmakespwn:
S4 is already rumored for around February. The note 2 is awesome but Samsung will release something " better" in no time.
[Nexus 4 General] sling:
Well according to the Maya calendar there wont be a February 2013 lol

GN2 will hold strong its power packed and hey how about that battery life :)
[Windows 8 General] pudgybunnyBry:
I know this topic has been talked about and there are solutions to the issue. I have tried them all, and none seem to work. Resolution is at its highest, I have the latest drivers, tried the local user method, blah blah. I do have one issue though, the registry edit method: I backed up my registry, saved the info that has been posted online for fixing the metro ui to a file called metro-ui-tile-fix.reg. When I run it, I get an error telling me that it is not a registry script, and that I can only import registry files. Anybody have any tips for me?

The only other method I haven't tried is fresh installing. That also isn't really a great option, because I don't want to lose any of the 600gb worth of stuff I have on my internal drive, and my external has only 260gb free.
[Windows 8 General] JihadSquad:
Make a small (50-100gb) partition on your drive and try installing onto that.
[Windows Phone 8 General] seewhy:
Hi, has anyone tried singing in with a Microsoft ID using the emulator?

All I get is an error 0x8000FFFF.:(
[Windows Phone 8 General] prjkthack:
You cannot sign-in to the emulator with any kind of account. It is disabled. It is meant for testing apps, so not everything on the emulator is enabled.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Junior-J:
My mt4gs ended up bricking itself one day during a charge. won't turn on...tried every method to turn it on. Concluded that it's hard bricked. Only thing it does (every once in a while), is give me a dim red light in the trackpad. in summary, phone's dead.

One Problem:

I have crucial info stored in the phone's internal memory. I'm willing to sacrifice the phone (and any chance to unbrick it) simply for the data. is there any way I could open up the phone and access the internal SD card and remove it? Does it even use an actual SD card for internal memory? Anyone know? Thanks
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Junior-J:
im guessing the mt4gs uses emmc. is there any way to pull data off the emmc? even though a phone is bricked
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] demkantor:
the only thing I can think of is if someone has jtag knowledge and also knows where to make the connections. not even sure if you could pull info from the nand or if you can only write. this isn't the same as a computer harddrive and getting info of a dead flash device is trick (as far as I know)

id suggest googling to see if someone local has the ability. hey who knows, maybe there is someone who could restore your phone as well
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Junior-J:
Thanks for the response. Finding someone who has that knowledge wont be easy. I tried contacted jtag brick repair service but no response from them
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Blue6IX:
Funny you should make such a thread...just had something very similar happen to my original doubleshot.

Was playing netflix out to tv, wasn't watching at the time my back was turned, and it just shut off and won't turn on.

Was at full charge, and swapped through 6 different fully charged batteries and couldn't get it to turn on...just a dim light in the trackpad, solid...no flashes.

I left it behind me, i am in long island, new york city this week putting it back together...so leaving things like the doubleshot behind was at the expense of things like the 14 gallons of gas in cans i'm carrying or the wealth of first aid supplies, so be a week bare minimum before i can get back to it.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
That is great, I know off topic but damn, good for you, I can't believe the devastation out there. That's tremendous that you're helping. :beer: cheers
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Blue6IX:
Thanks, good times. I have a ton of first aid training, more tools then I know what to do with and a couple grand invested in 18volt batteries, so I can run my tools for days without power. Nothing like being able to cut a whole house apart while the power is out. ...and I like to be helpful.

Back on topic, though, I wish I knew what happened to my doubleshot. It just died out of the clear blue, was running fine until the moment it wasn't.

I haven't tried to plug it into a computer yet to see what I can see, but I remember seeing a whole lot of info on connecting to it and talking to the radio direct through linux pre-boot, so i'll exhaust all software avenues before disassembly.

I am well out of warranty now, since it's the one I got at device launch, so I do think taking it apart will be in my near future. Definitely gonna take a lot of pics on that.

As that ds was my first android cellular device, haven't had something like this happen before. Definitely gonna cripple my devving if I can't get it running again. Devving with two of the same device and seeing differences in real time in front of you is like the first time you hook up a second konitor to a computer. You just can't accurately articulate how much more productive you can be.

Definitely appreciate any tidbits of knowledge anyone can drop here to give a leg up when I can get back to it.
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JUSMEJOSE:
Ok so here is my question ....

I have done all the LTE Verizon flashed to PP but for some reason im having trouble ....

When i re-boot the phone goes back to R-UIM instead to NV Only .... My PRL sticks but doesnt let me write the NAM settings....

Im gonna be having the phone for a week hopefully someone can help ...

And if i get it to work ill make a GUIDE for it ... :(:(
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spunker88:
There are issues with getting 4G phones to work on Page Plus at the moment since they aren't supported. Some have had luck removing the 4G SIM as from what I understand 4G won't work with Page Plus.
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JUSMEJOSE:
Yeah i know but this model is weird ... I done other 4G LTE phones with no problem ...
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] takochan1:
I've tried this, and I'm getting the same result. Any idea why yet?
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] recon56:
I can also confirm that the R-UIM settings return to "R-UIM only" after a reset.
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neelhow:
Any Progress

Just wandering if anyone has made progress on this I just got the droid razr m and would like to put it on page plus.

I have a friend who is using the droid bionic on page plus with everything working not sure if the process would be the same.

I've been checking out a droid razr forum on howardforums (xda want let me post link yet) but not really sure if it would work or not. This is my first smart phone been holding out for awhile, coming from an old LG Chocolate 3, really like the phone but would really like to save some money by putting it on page plus.
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wojei:
I was playing around with build.prop hoping that the resetting has something to do with the values in that file, but I had little success with that. Any updates on your end?
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TechSlinger:
Any progress on this?

I'm running into the same problem trying to get a friends RAZR M activated on PP. I've successfully set up two Droid Bionics using DFS to set NV-Only, configure the EVDO settings and then manually entering the MDN, MIN, etc. But I've been working with this phone for three days now and it absolutely will not keep the NV-Only setting and the Done button is not available in the 01 User Activation settings on the Program menu.

I'm reaching here but could this have anything to do with needing to "unlock" the phone?

At any rate, any help or progress on this would be greatly appreciated!

EDIT: By the way, I don't know if this matters/helps, but this phone is running the stock Jelly Bean from OTA update.
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wojei:
If you are thinking about bootloader unlock, then no that does not help (at least directly). I am wondering if the R-UIM Config gets reset from NV only to R-UIM on boot with the stock rom.
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] droidan:
Hi..here's the solution. (only for rooted Ics, not available for razr m/hd with OTA Jelly bean)

1. If you are on Jelly Bean, return to stock ICS.

2. You MUST root the phone.

3. Download Sqlite Editor from Play store. (Available for purchase)

4. Download ES Root Explorer from Play store.(Available for purchase)

5. Using explorer, go to data/data/com.android.provider.settings/databases

6. find Settings.db inside the folder, copy and paste this file in the same folder.

7. Open the new file(settings-copy.db) with sqlite editor.

8. Find Preferred CDMA subscription, change the value from 0 to 1, save and exit.

9. Delete the original settings.db files, then rename settings-copy.db to settings.db

10. Return to home screen. Restart into boot loader. Choose BP tool to program.

11. From this point, you can do Nam programming on your phone with dfs/cdma-ws/qpst and the value will stick.

This method works on new Droid RAZR M, RAZR HD, RAZR MAXX HD with Rooted ICS only. Not working with Jelly Bean OTA, because there's no pref.cdma subscription inside the settings.db. Maybe we have to wait for full stock JB file.

Happy flashing guys..
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolbird:
I can confirm that the prefererd_cdma_subsctiption item does exist in settings.db of the official OTA JB 4.1.1 in my Droid Razr HD (XT926, Verizon version). I changed the value from 0 to 1, but I still got the "Failed to get call NAM information" when click "User Activation", and I still couldn't write to the phone in service programming in QPST (version 2.7.378), a "NV Write Errors" windows popped up showed "NV_SPC_CHANGE_ENABLE_I" with status "NV_FAIL_S". Any idea what was going on?