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[Nexus 4 General] manu1991:
The space is a bit of a downer but that's no reason to call the phone a failure. At best, its a minor inconvenience.

The way I see it, they are selling it either at a low profit or maybe even at break even. They hope to make money when people rent movies on their play store and buy and store music on google play etc. That's why I think they didn't put in a microSD slot.I don't think cost was a factor. Putting a microSD slot shouldn't be costly.

For people making 1080p videos on their phone, the space will run out very quickly.

A 32GB 399$ version would be sweet.
[Nexus 4 General] wwfc:
Well, i was going to be very annoyed with only 16GB. But since Google has said Google music will be available in the UK from Nexus 4's launch, i'm happy. £279 for a phone with better specs than anything else on the market. Incredible.
[Nexus 4 General] Gaurav.Stallion:
You sure do keep a lot of unnecessary crap on your phone. Phone's are not meant to carry TV shows, a movie or two is still fine. I have a Nexus S for the past two years, and I keep about 3 gig of music, a lot of pictures, few videos, a rom backup, and app backups and 1 HD game at a time, and yet I have 3 gig of memory unused. I've played all the HD games released including Max Payne and The Dark Knight Rises, other than GTA III, there isn't one game that hasn't worked on my phone. This phone was great and I'm pretty sure the Nexus 4 won't disappoint. And about GNex using the same GPU as Nexus S, Google did some serious tweaking there, The GNex GPU clocks at 500MHz on stock roms, let alone custom rom performance.
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
I know right? I was looking forward to 64Gb's of RAM and 12 Xeon Processors so I could pretend my phone was a Sun server.
[Nexus 4 General] Ajfink:
I was planning to do some sweet CGI modeling on my phone but man GOOGLE TOTALLY SCREWED ME ON THIS ONE.
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
It's an outrage!
[Nexus 4 General] nikeman513:
Hey if you don't like you can go to Galaxy S3, and I hear they are getting Jelly Bean 4.1.1 any day now, but wait, that will cost you over $500 new, and it's slower than the N4.. I hear the HTC One X has nice specs and international is 32gb! Oh, but that goes for about $500 too...Also, good luck on ever getting updates with a billion different CID's that get updated separately.

How about this troll, before creating a topic like this, take a look around... You "Failed" not Google. BTW there is such thing as online storage now, and sd card adapters that can hook through the mini usb port... Just sayin'...
[Nexus 4 General] PhillyCheez:
I love the "music enthusiast" argument... If you were really into music you would have a dedicated music player. There is PLENTY of options to choose from with a huge range of HD space and will do the job better than any smart phone.
[Nexus 4 General] XxSilent22xX:
Come on guys, asking for 32gb is not unreasonable and should have been a option. What would have been the sensible thing to do is release a 8gb phone with MicroSD for $350 so people can choose their own size. I have a nexus s and can barely put up with the 16gb that I do have and have to sacrifice some music, games, etc because of it.

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
RAM- Random Access Memory

ROM- Read Only Mem

Boy I sure do hope you aren't storing media files in RAM! Those files are infected or seriously corroded, especially if they behave as executable and not dependent on an actual program. Anyway files(processes) are tentatively stored in RAM(2GB on N4), the actual "media" files you speak of would reside in the ROM(8 or 16GB).
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
Exactly this.

I'm a musician. Quick glance at my phone shows that I have 60 full albums (mostly at 320) at 4Gb's. That's more than enough I'd say for a trip somewhere.

But the thing is, if you're that serious about music, you can't really expect exceptional sound quality from a phone. Get a dedicated mp3 player and a pair of Shure E5's if you're that serious about it. My Galaxy S does the job, but I'm lucky it has good onboard sound.

Remember, a phone will do a great many of things decently. It won't do all of them exceptionally well. It won't give you the best sound quality, the best picture quality, or the best video quality. That's why different devices for those things exist.

What I'm trying to say is, there has to be a compromise somewhere. You can't have it all, and you never will.
[Nexus 4 General] ghao:
compared to ios! google are open,and more chances for us to control our mob:(ile

no google no droid then no such a wonderful digtital world,whta do you think?
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
They didn't include an SD slot for a reason.
[Nexus 4 General] :
The fact that the google head honcho lies to my face is disgusting. He said an LTE radio and a GSM and a CDMA radio uses too much battery. don't feed me that bs the iPhone 5 can be bought unlocked through verizon and then be used on a GSM network and that phone gets like 11 hours of talk time with all 3 radios. Lets face it, I love android, but its quantity over quality.:cool:
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
That's not a logical argument.

iOS always gets better battery life, an iPhone 5 without an LTE radio would get better life than an iPhone 5 with one.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
I am a music enthusiast who can't be bothered to carry two devices because of my profession. I have 3 phones and a PDA I have to carry around occasionally. And it is very possible to have an A1 music experience with a cellphone. Just too many people bend over and accept what is pushed on them and call the non mass market consumer the whiners. Android will not shake many of it negative connotations until the consumer demands better.

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[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
HTC One X also gets better battery life on LTE, and it has an qualcoom s4 (non-pro) SoC similar to the one in this phone. You'll have to reach into Google big bag of excuses for another one. ;)
[Nexus 4 General] PhillyCheez:
3 phones and a PDA?

Seriously? A PDA? You stuck in the 90s or something?

3 phones? Sounds like you're connected ALL the time. The cloud shouldn't be an issue for you. Your argument is lame. You talk about the mass market like you are part of it....reality check. Not many people own and carry 3 freaking cell phones.

I'm a music enthusiast... That's why I own NAS so I can have 1tb of music and movies in my pocket and access it anywhere in the world. That is the future. Get on the bandwagon.

For FLAC or quality MP3s I prefer a dedicated MP3 player with a decent DAC. Phones don't have that!
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
What do you mean by this, you mean when LTE is turned on it gets better battery life than when LTE is off?
[Nexus 4 General] theoneofgod:
Sounds like a contradiction.
[Nexus 4 General] jake21:
The simple solution is make it 8GB and provide an sd slot. Then folks who require more memory can use the sd slot and those who don't well ....

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I really do not get google's attitude on dropping sd slot from all their devices.

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That's the major piece (about the device) I do not get. The rest I understand. Well Kind of would like a larger or removable battery but battery life should be ok with the s4 pro and no lte.
[Nexus 4 General] akhan47:
16gb is enough for me these days.

Embrace the cloud.
[Nexus 4 General] george241312:
They could of freaking added an SD card in there wtf who design's googles phone a facking hillbilly Jesus not enough space for even a small amount of music 8 GB wtf all of my wat how can they even consider 8 GB .... damn...
[Nexus 4 General] ross231:
^

This.
[Nexus 4 General] Ajfink:
Great post.
[Nexus 4 General] EddyOS:
*sigh*

Because Google want people using their cloud Drive service, and with Google Music why do you need music on your phone? Stream it* ;)

*Assuming you have an unlimited data package, of course
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
We should thank him for it.
[Nexus 4 General] kaspar737:
Okay, I agree, the Nexus S was a bit of a failure. But what chipset should have they used for GNex? Snapdragon was slow (S3 was based on Scorpion core), Tegra 2 was worse than OMAP 4. Now I know you say Exynos, but Exynos had bad developer support and Samsung probably couldn't keep up. About the Nexus 4, the phone costs 349. 349 for a top class phone!
[Nexus 4 General] Blinkenn:
What about all those people who are still buying Nexus 7's at a rate of a million a month..

I think they missed the boat and underestimated how much the "Nexus" brand has been elevated from that little tablet. Its not just a 'niche' brand/item anymore and a non-LTE phone in the US seems like a strategic mistake..

from the Verge:
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Yes they got 7 and 8 hours browsing with the HTC One X and iphone 5 with LTE on, and only 5 hours with it off.

We'll have to wait for anandtech's review of the N4 to get a direct comparison. My guess would be, assuming the S4 pro doesn't suck more power than the S4 at the same application, it would be ideal to see the N4 get about 6 hours on the same test. That would be a decent result, but it would despite not having LTE rather than because of it.
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
totally agree. the Galaxy Nexus managed to compete with quadcore phones coming out later only after the Jellybean update. it was also among the very first phones to feature an HD Super Amoled screen. i never felt i was missing out on anything with the G Nexus, except for the unpleasant battery life.

this Nexus in the other hand has the processor and GPU that will power 1080p screens in 2013 and many other flagships. while the G Nexus managed a year with a mediocre chipset, this Nexus has got all the power to go head to head with next years flagships and never feel underpowered.
[Nexus 4 General] pudgybunnyBry:
I have a 16gb card in my phone right now. The card is exactly the same as when I used my SGS4G. I only ever used a maximum of 3gb on the card. Google Drive , Google Play, and Dropbox make even 16gb more than enough storage these days. Google wins.

This is a very compelling device.

You. Will. Obey. XDA Premium - Samsung SGH-T699
[Nexus 4 General] :
How is it not logical? Lol.
[Nexus 4 General] albundy2010:
Sigh. Browsing test can be misleading people.

They load a loop of websites over and over at a set interval. Race to idle comes into effect and lte can win those test since the radio is idle longer.
[Nexus 4 General] jhonny20041433:
Haven't people already explained that to do what you do you will need a expensive data plan, just so you can pull down your media from the cloud all the time.

It's perfectly reasonable to want a sd card slot or more memory these days. Have you seen the size of some of the games and navigation apps?? Add to the fact you're not exactly getting 16GB's in the first place.

We are not living in 2001 where a phone was just used to call, text and play a game of snake with. People are treating their phones like portable media devices/mini pocket pc's, especially with Android.

Instead the one phone that will get regular updates, and be supported very well, they seem to have flawed it with their prison like memory allowance. And the alternatives are £400-£500, which will be pathetic with their updates.

This is poor from Google, I expected them to give us an option with more memory or an mSD card slot. I even bet they will come out with a 32GB version in a few months so they can milk the 16GB version, then milk their 32GB one. Why not just have the option from the start?
[Nexus 4 General] goheels:
Wanting all of my music on my phone has nothing to do with being an audiophile. Totally specious argument.

But yes, you're right that there will always be a compromise, especially in an unlocked phone at this price point. My argument, as well as that of MANY other people, is that Google/LG made a piss-poor decision by deciding to cut corners on storage space instead of maybe putting in a slightly slower CPU or GPU.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that lots of the people saying "STFU you don't need to put all your music on your phone" are likely the same people who say "OMG I NEED A QUAD CORE CPU" while all they do is text and browse FB/the internet.
[Nexus 4 General] pudgybunnyBry:
They probably did, but I haven't read this entire thread. Regardless, we also live in a world where wifi is offered nearly everywhere for free. I must be the only person here that takes advantage of that. Weird.

You. Will. Obey. XDA Premium - Samsung SGH-T699
[Nexus 4 General] mythamp:
Oh and here I was expecting the OP to show some damning evidence of hardware failure on part of LG.

LOL, 16GB storage space? Really? Thats the only reason you will call the Nexus 4 a fail? Seriously buddy you need chill abit.

My main concerns are going to be related to build quality, N1 had power button issues + intro of cra**y pentile, N-S wasnt that bad but also suffered from the two issues, Galaxy Nexus definitely had problems with the screen (cheap textured graininess, paperlike?) which was really silly and apparently was expected from AMOLED. Oh btw my power button also died due to moisture on my Galaxy Nexus as I used to live in the tropics, it was just pathetic.

*just to include, the Nexus 7 suffered/suffers from many issues as well, screen ghosting, screen lifting, speakers cracking, etc.

If these were with iDevices, there would have been mobs outside Apple's HQ and full glass retail stores with ppl throwing rocks!

So I just hope this sweet device can live upto the brand that is Google and would not tarnish it.
[Nexus 4 General] rjayflo:
I still cant get over the "decent amount of ram" statement lol. How many phones out now actually have 2gb of RAM? SGS3 was the 1st...
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
the n1 was nice. only issue i had was the digitizer would get all whacky at times. power button was fine for me.

the n2 and n3, i blame samsung.

the n4? it looks solid, but i guess well wait and see. im not a big fan of LG but this phone looks slick and has some great specs

honestly, everyone complaining about the size and the battery are starting to get annoying.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Thank you thank you thank you! People raging about 16 gig of memory should buy a super computer from the movie "eagle eye". It's a damn phone for crying out loud you don't need 2Tb!
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
Most of these people will get along with 16gb just fine, despite the magnitude of whinery they poured into this thread.
[Nexus 4 General] pachi72:
My s3 has 2gb of ram
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
Read the post again, carefully and slowly if you would.
[Nexus 4 General] jhonny20041433:
Don't be silly, who is asking for 2TB?

All we are asking for is to have another option for a phone with more memory, or simply have a phone made for mSD. I don't think that is too much to ask for Google??
[Nexus 4 General] the1dynasty:
o_O

Lmao
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
Considering the specs and the launch price of 299, I think you're asking for too much.
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
The Big Problem here is that no one's even asking Google. No one here is really going to submit any suggestions/feedback to Googs and this thread in its entirety will fall on deaf ears.

But it's good to vent. Let it all out.
[Nexus 4 General] Intruder7s:
What makes you think that no-one here is going to submit these concerns about storage to Google?

What makes you think that Google is not monitoring threads like this?

The latter....not likely but who knows??
[Nexus 4 General] The Troll:
nah.. this phone's a win..

jus the 16 gig..

i'd even be ok with no internal mem as long as theres microsd..

i got 42 gig total on my phone.. and jus 10 gig left.. so its kinda a big deal for me :/
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
Excellent article on what the Nexus 4 is and who it is/isnt designed for.......seems this phone brought many new people here who don't quite understand this, understandably so as most dont geek out year round on here.

http://www.androidcentral.com/who-needs-nexus-and-why
[Nexus 4 General] jader13254:
399$ 32GB sweat =) I would buy & Play MC2, MC3 and MC4 all together in Multitasking, exspecting a lot & finally faster than my iPod ;) and no pure lagg in mc3...
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
'da f#$% did you just say?

---------- Post added at 02:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:47 PM ----------

I was sold at "You don't have to like it, but you can't change it."

Gonna mail this dude a box of chocolates.
[Nexus 4 General] Jrude2262:
i kinda agree with this in some aspect like i want the phone but i would hate to buy it and then google release the 32gb version. I would be upset because im going thru that now. I brought an nexus 7 16gb literary a month ago for $250 and then google decide to not only drop the price for the 16gb but release the 32gb version for same price i brought my 16gb, $250. that honestly a slap to the face. The space isnt an issue its the fact that they are using apple tactics, basically holding back the good stuff try an force u to upgrade to something they know they could of release with the debut of the device smh 4 shame google. MARK MY WORDS ANDROID WILL TAKE OVER AND WE WILL SEE GOOGLE START TO BEHAVE MORE AND MORE LIKE APPLE!!!!!!!!!!
[Nexus 4 General] theoneofgod:
Google are nothing like Apple.
[Nexus 4 General] tomrazri:
I think some of the people who are arguing against the original poster are missing the point. The people who are saying "this isn't enough storage" aren't all saying they should be getting more storage at this price point - they're just saying every other aspect of this phone is spot on and that they'd be willing to pay extra for a 32gb version, or one with a MicroSD slot. I agree. No need for the "get a different phone then" responses. As you know, people like the stock Android idea, and there's isn't anything comparable around that isn't compromised in other areas.

People say "Nexus devices are designed for the cloud, accept it and move on", but I still think it's fair to argue against Google's decision here, or argue in favour of other devices trying to stay closer to the stock experience. I can't access 'the cloud' when I'm on holiday in Croatia. I can't download large media files from the cloud when I'm on a moving train moving between base stations. I don't have unlimited data.

I don't feel too passionate about the Nexus 4 personally. It'd be the perfect device for me if it was slightly smaller (smaller 4.3" screen, not smaller battery!) and had 32gb of storage. The Motorola Razr I would've ticked all the boxes if the audio quality on the 2.5mm jack wasn't so poor!
[Nexus 4 General] Jrude2262:
thats insane its a phone not a computer. what could u possible be using 32gb on
[Nexus 4 General] cdordon:
Phones- good for texting, Web browsing, camera, calls, apps like Twitter/xda/etc.

Tablets-multimedia (games, movies and tv shows), big apps

That's my POV. So 16 GB is perfect. Keep 1-2 roms and 1 nandroid at all times, pics, and the music I listen to most.

Sent from my Cellular Telephone, which can do magic things over the internet.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
My personal phone, a nexus. A flip from my employer, a flip from the hospital that contracts us and a PDA with with windows 6.5 and a bunch of proprietary software and oracle software to do our time.

And let's see. I work at a hospital. I see doctor's and nurses all the time with blackberry's/cisco phones in one hand and an iPhone or android in the other. And wait for it... wait for it... pagers. I think I can make a very good case why me, my coworkers and other employees around me don't want to be bothered with another device. I plan on building a NAS soon but it still won't solve the problem of wait for it... wait for it... limited data. The future isn't ready for primetime, NOW. Chrome book is a nice concept but it still has many obstacles to overcome one of which is being connected to be useful.

BTW, that PDA is less than 5 years old and costs almost $2000, it is locked down, is useful for hardware dating back to the late 80's and the software on it is hard to value even if there were a value so it is kind of priceless.

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[Nexus 4 General] Cirkustanz:
To all of the people saying, "What do you need all that space for" you're forgetting something that some people may be interested in.....

The phone has an HDMI output for a television.

You can very easily put hd movies onto a phone now, and the phones with HDMI out can play onto a television.

Just because you might never do it, there's lots of people who would like to.

:)
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
And they can. What's ya point, bro?
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
typical 1080p bluray movie is more or less around 5GB... how many of those are you planning on storing on your phone?
[Nexus 4 General] ThunderWolf78:
Ba-dum-tiss... I had the Galaxy S3, with a 16GB sdcard in it and well... I made a direct swap for a brand new Gnex a week ago and to be honest, I don't miss those extra 16GB, all I filled that with was a lot of crap that I actually could live without... As long as I can fit in some five episodes of any 40 minute tv-serie to keep me from falling asleep on the train, about an hour of music and one cwm backup of a fully working system I am satisfied(which the Gnex can do and the N4 probably will do aswell)... Duh...
[Nexus 4 General] Jrude2262:
most ppl own a blu-ray player or have cable or satellite provider that can give u that HD experience ur lookin for lol that feature is a over rated
[Nexus 4 General] nbeebe24:
The OP sounds like a file hoarder. Granted not everyone uses their phone for the same purposes, but you'd be surprised what cleaning up the phone every once in a while can do. When my capacity gets too close for comfort I delete some things (old rom downloads, old files I don't use, useless backups etc) and voila, the problem is solved. If Google never releases 32 or 64 GB models you can always just figure out how to manage your space
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Or Google can figure out that we actually want to put some media on our devices. And that nexus users wanna pimp their phone. But but... it only has <16gigs of storage.

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[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
Yes, and we are not all saying google failed either, we are just saying they we like the device, It's just not enough storage for some if us. And again, those of you saying if I need more than 16gb, than I am a file hoarder, is like me saying that if you have now than 2 pairs of shoes that you are a shoe boarder. I don't know your footware needs, so I don't need to tell you how many shoes you need. I would like a pure nexus device, but it doesn't meet my needs for storage. Everything else about it is great. And I know why they don't have microSD slots, but couldn't they make it so that it formatted it to ext4, and then it would act just like the internal memory, thus eliminating one of the reasons they don't support them?
[Nexus 4 General] Cirkustanz:
HD movies, even encoded in video formats, take up a lot of space.

I mean, 16G? Seriously? It's so small. Pop a respectable memory card in the phone and raise the price. 16g should be considered bare minimum. I bought a 64g microsd card about a year ago...

That 8 gig? A person would have so little storage on the phone...it's like you forget that the phone has a high resolution screen, and all of the media playback capabilities that android phones have had for years, and it's crippled by not being able to freaking store them.

There are so many people saying, "It's a phone, you don't need that extra space...." Well, [/B]those[/B] people are the ones who don't have a need for a phone with great specs and features. They'd be served just as well with a 3 year old phone.

Backwards thinking.
[Nexus 4 General] hollywood084:
Why?
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
I remember my first PC HDD being only 4Gb's.. how times have changed.
[Nexus 4 General] AttachedSilver:
Umm Google made Android and that's DEFINITELY not a fail. Don't like the Nexus 4 because of storage? Then buy a phone with a SD card slot. Plain and simple ;)