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[Nexus 7 General] frescagod:
i am very pleased with my decision to sell my C6O a few weeks ago in anticipation for the 32GB C9O+ that came out this week. i picked up my 32GB C9O at Staples, and checked the serial number prior to buying it. a few thoughts:

- on my C6O, i had screen lift all along the left side, creaking, and screen flickering when wifi was being taxed heavily in low light.

- on my C9O, i have the tiniest bit of screen lift on the left, less than a fraction of a millimeter, and it's only in one small spot. after taking off the back, i too am missing two screws there. i moved one of the screws down and the screen lift appeared to move in conjunction with that.

- there is absolutely no screen creaking on the left bezel anymore on the C9O.

- i have only had the tablet for a day, but i did not see any screen flickering during high wifi usage last night. i'll keep monitoring that.

i sold the C6O for a slight loss, but taking into account the $25 Google Play credit, i only lost ~$20 or so. for the slightly tweaked/refined build quality of the C9O, i think this was the right decision. plus, i have ~28 usable gigabytes with the C9O, and that goes a long way when it comes to putting on ~8GB of music and ~15GB of movies. there's still room for lots of games while keeping 1-2GB free.

as for the infamous LAG thread out there, i had experienced lag on the C6O but went to 4.1.2 and the lag seemed to go away. i'm not 100% sure that was the cure, but it very well could be. i'm rolling with ~1.5GB free on the C9O right now and i haven't had an issue.

**EDIT** It should be noted that the C6O unit was basically perfect...everything worked properly, but i am just a nitpicker who scrutinizes every little thing on any gadget that i have.
[Nexus 7 General] milkk:
I just got a 32GB C90 and the screen is below the frame which is good because on my Infinity the screen is clearly above the frame but hasn't moved or decided to fall off yet LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got this to replace my Playbook and wow it's soooo amazing it can easily fit into my pocket and I already had Poweramp on my Infinity so now that it's on here no need to take ipod anymore because it fits in my pocket and music sounds sooooo crazy compared to an ipod with Equalizer or anything like that.
[Nexus 7 General] slimdizzy:
Thanks for the observations. Will help me decide on 32 to upgrade my 8 or 16 w/ 3G.

Side note, do you really need 15G of movies with you at all times? Is that 15 1 gb movies or 1 1080p (which would be stupid) or two 720p's? I keep everything in the cloud or stream when I am local at home so I don't see the need for the space/sd card that people complain about all the time. Games I can understand. And before you say but I travel, unless your are ATrak or Diplo you dont live on a plane 24/7 so I dont want that as an excuse, just a genuine reason for the space need all the time.
[Nexus 7 General] kitsunisan:
I only had two or three movies on my 16gb at a time but it still filled up quick. Between some of the beefier apps out there, some requiring 1-2gb to run, backups of apps(mybackup and titanium backup) and one or two nandroid backups from different roms there wasn't a whole lot of room left. I might be an odd case though, I do a lot of flashing to my device so I need constant data backups for restoring my apps and at least one nandroid backup just in case something goes horribly wrong.
[Nexus 7 General] frescagod:
it's a valid question...i like keeping ~8GB of my most listened to music / favorite music on me at all times, but movies i do tend to cycle through. 720p movies tend to be 2-3GB apiece. 1080p is sort of overkill (especially for a 1280x720/768 tablet), but even for a normal big screen television, the size of a legitimate, high quality 1080p movie is usually huge and not worth it compared to the relatively smaller 720p.

if i'm going on a long weekend to NYC, it's a 4+ bus ride each way, plus tooling around during down time. with my 16GB, assuming i had about 1GB of apps and small indie games installed, 8GB of music puts me at maybe 4-5 free GB left. that's a maximum of two 720p movies. if i rip an older DVD, it's usually under 1.5GB, so that's three DVD 480p movies. that's not enough for a weekend as far as i'm concerned, and if i cut my music down to ~5GB, that still only buys me another movie or so.

32GB provides so much more flexibility. i don't know how people deal with the 8GB (~5GB usable) Nexus 7. people say all of their stuff is in the cloud, and while you can roll that way, cellular data 3G/4G/LTE networks are clogged up as it is, and most of us have data caps. public wifi is growing, but it's still not prevalent, and where you can actually find it, it's usually slow as hell.

the one way around it is rooting and using StickMount so you can bring along a 1TB or 2TB portable drive. the downside of that is that you need to have it dangling off of the bottom of the device, which isn't always convenient, and it also increases wear and tear on the microUSB port.

the bottom line is that having 28GB+ of usable space is totally worth it to me. i like having my media local and not in the cloud. if i'm consuming cloud media, it's usually on a secure wifi network in someone's home and it's streaming Netflix or something.
[Nexus 7 General] frescagod:
with 13GB usable space, and wanting to keep ~1GB free, you're looking at 12GB of real-life usable space. that disappears really fast. if you're leaving a nandroid backup on the tablet, that cuts into your space bigtime.

no regrets with the slightly higher cost of selling my 16GB and picking up a 32GB.
[Nexus 7 General] nakedninja42:
Im looking to get the 32GB and sell my 16GB. One way that I was able to save space on my 16GB was to encode my mkv with DVD Catalyst. A 4-6GB 720P was encoded using the "HD" codec for the device and come out to ~1.3GB. Some files are larger (~2GB) because they are longer movies (~2 hrs). The quality to me was just as good as having the mkv without sacrificing the space.

I am getting my 32GB later today, glad to see they are from the C90 line. I only had a slight screen lift on the C60.
[Nexus 7 General] milkk:
I do lol I usually have full seasons of a TV show or three on my device for subway travel to and from work that's why I never buy devices with less then 32GB of memory. Also magazines for when I'm bored at work and those can add up in space too when most are 100mb+ sometimes in pdf format. Why worry about copying stuff ever few days when I can just copy a bunch at one and not have to worry about it for a week or two. As for accessing from the cloud not all of us have can afford $60+ a month data plans that we get charged here lol for mobile wireless.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Frescagod, if you can, I'd appreciate if you'd elaborate a bit more on the screws you spoke about, in terms of how you moved them and the screen lift followed. You see, when I hear people on these forums discussing "I just removed two screws" I can't help but to think, WHAT? Maybe this is an unfair comparison, but I look at it like, so I have an F150 and I removed some bolts from the body to the chassis, no big deal. I just don't see how less screws can equal no screen lift. And even if it does mean no screen lift, I would think the lack of two screws would attribute a degree of "buoyancy" or sponginess to the areas no longer secured by the screws.

Am I making sense? I'm finding it difficult to put these particular thoughts into words.

On the flip side, I have a C6O unit, which originally had screen lift - not terrible, but far from awesomely flat. My screen cracked without dropping it, at which point a small battle with ASUS resulted in a free replacement screen. My new screen has extremely little screen lift, and sounds much like what you described about your C9O 32GB unit. I'm halfway wondering if instead of an actual hardware refresh if they're just taking greater care at mounting the screens. After all, my body of the Nexus 7 remained the same - the only new item was a new screen - and the screen lift is nearly gone, whereas before it was much greater.

EDIT - Fun fact while we're talking about screen lift, I just noticed my HTC Incredible 4G LTE has more screen lift than my Nexus 7. There's a ridge around the entire front of the phone, and down in the lower left corner the screen is almost flush with the ridge - whereas the rest of the device it's perfectly obvious there's a well defined ridge in place. </endoffunfact>
[Nexus 7 General] player911:
I have a CAOK (C10) 32gb N7 from Office Depot. I have an extremely small amount of screen lift but I do have an abundance of the oil slick stuff going on when I press that left side at all. So from following the screen lift stuff, they started to remove the screws in the affected area. I bet they just did the same thing here.

The best trick is to put screws in ALL of the holes but use the washer trick on the affected area. This keeps the screen nice and tight and minimizes backlight bleeding and the oil slick stuff.

I haven't popped my back cover off to really look at it.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Random curiosity - to what degree do you have to press the left side to get the oil slick effect to come about? Does this happen with the average pressure you'd apply to a touch screen device? Or is this when you're, say, holding it in your left hand applying more pressure than normal so you don't drop it? I really have nothing to offer on the subject - just very curious. :good:
[Nexus 7 General] ddlooping:
Player911, would you mind elaborating on the "washer trick"? :)
[Nexus 7 General] Pithism:
hey guys,

So i sold my nexus 7 16gb to my roommate and i'm 99% positive ill buy the 32 gb version. For checking what version it where on the serial number is the c90 or c60. Is it at the start of the serial number or at the end?

And are the facts that say certain version are better than others. I forgot what i owned but i had some screen lift, as well as a creak issue, so i want to try and get a solid version.
[Nexus 7 General] azoller1:
So do you guys recommending to get it upgraded to the 32gb? Or wait it to see if they add things to it
[Nexus 7 General] yanksrock1000:
Still some screen lift? Hopefully there will be none when I get one around xmas...
[Nexus 7 General] Omar04:
Got a 16GB C70 exchange it after 11 days for screen lift and got a 16GB C80 small screen lift and some random lines across screen after 4 days returned and went to Game Stop and get a 32GB C90 rock solid at the moment. :beer::D
[Nexus 7 General] stingfeelgood:
After 2 RMA's early on, I now have a C70K 16GB and I have no problems at all. As soon as I got my 3rd unit I put in the iBlason folio style case. It is a pretty tight fit so I wonder if that helped with the screen separation.

I was thinking about selling my 16GB for the 32GB but I am leaning towards the "not worth it" side of the coin. I do not carry music with me or movies. I have about 10 GB left after a few nandroids and apps. I dont want to take a chance on having another RMA.

BUT...since the N7 is easy to open - I opened my first 2 - and easy to repair (according to ifixit.com) Im wondering if we can just swap out the logic board when 32GB boards become available.

Im not going to opt for the 16gb with 3G since I am going to be reupping my contract and getting a new phone with LTE. Verizon Share Everything Plan includes Hotspot. So if I have to, I will "tether"

But that makes me think....why not get an unlocked Nexus 4 on ATT or T-Mobile
[Nexus 7 General] SLIMaxPower:
I am going to stick with my 16Gb as its mainly a internet device for me.

Music is on my 32Gb iPhone, though I have a 64Gb USB stick which is filled with TV EPs and a few moobs for the tinlids. Once we get to 64/128Gb tablets then I will move on.
[Nexus 7 General] GalK:
I'm guessing that C90 means the device was manufactured in September. Has anyone seen a Nexus 7 manufactured in October maybe after a few months Asus will understand what they did wrong..
[Nexus 7 General] 4fit?:
Yes, plenty of CA0K devices have been mentioned on the forum.
[Nexus 7 General] AngeleDei:
The October (A0K I think they are called) Nexus's are still missing the two screws, as are the 32gb nexus's. I'm hoping the 3G one will be a redesign, but doubt it.

Also, as has been asked, what is the "washer trick"? I tok the back off my nexus and noted the two central missing screws and that the other outer two were loose. I tightened the outer two and that cured the lift and creak, but left me with the oil slick rippling when I pressed ont he left side. I had though of using clear nail varnish on the tightened up screws to prevent them going loose, but decided to take it back. Also taking ooff the back "could" have snapped a clip, so is not something I'd want to do much..though a new back must be cheap.
[Nexus 7 General] bjadams44:
You sold a Nexus 7 that was defective with screen lift, creaking and screen flickering, for only a slight loss? I'm sure you were totally honest with the buyer on the problems with the unit.
[Nexus 7 General] brando56894:
I just bought a 32 GB from Staples in NJ, it's a c90k and no screen lift or anything, but then again my 8 GB didn't have it either. The two things that I have noticed are that the speaker is louder on the 32 GB and there is also no problem with the touchscreen when crossing axes :D I'm probably going to lose about $50-100 on my 8 GB considering the 16 GB is now $200, but the upgrade is definitely worth it!
[Nexus 7 General] threelions:
Disappointed they haven't solved the screen lift between the 16 & 32gig versions. I was thinking of upgrading but will wait until theyve solved this issue.
[Nexus 7 General] jeetS:
Just bought a C90 32gb with no screen lift or any other problems from my local best buy
[Nexus 7 General] phonic:
So I've decided to take the plunge and 'upgrade' by C60 16GB to a 32GB.

What is everyone using to backup/restore (hence move) their data from one Nexus7 tablet to another? I imagine CWM/TWRP would be the easiest method, but wasn't sure if it would cause a problem with different partition sizes/etc. I could also use Titanium Backup. Or possibly ADB.
[Nexus 7 General] Deanicus:
I picked up a CA0 32gb yesterday and mine has the crossing axis thing. None of the other faults though. I think I can live with it.
[Nexus 7 General] nakedninja42:
Just went from C60 16GB to 32GB. I used TiBu and just moved everything off my internal memory to the computer. At first I transfered only my TiBu folder and restored all my data apps. Then I moved what I thought was still important back to the internal memory (e.g. game folders found in the Android folder). Took a little bit of time, but it is nice to have 10GB free considering I had only ~1GB left on the 16GB. I even installed Bards Tale and NOVA 3 since I couldn't before due to lack of space.

I have ~16GB of just game data... :eek:
[Nexus 7 General] timnan:
I got some same problems on my CAOK 32gb bought from Office Depot. Slight screen lift, light leak and little cracking sound while pressing on left side.

What should I do? Is that possible for me to return it to Office Depot store for these reasons?
[Nexus 7 General] Mr.Miyagi555:
Can someone elaborate on the cross axis problem?
[Nexus 7 General] tbone52:
I bought a c90 32 gig from office depot on Wednesday and noticed some lift on the left side. I returned it to the store and got a new one and inspected it there. So far so good. Love this thing. Good luck.
[Nexus 7 General] phonic:
Just picked up a C90 32GB from Sams Club. Gave a family member my 16GB C60 unit.

While I didn't have really any major issue with my 16GB N7, the 32GB is much nicer. First, I don't have that 'spongy' feeling on the left side. It was minor on the 16, but completely absent on the 32. Also, on the 16, I noticed some ghosting on the screen, especially when it was off for a while. So far, no ghosting on the 32. I had some 'popping' on the 16 speaker (occasionally on resume), and so far nothing on the 32, but it's too soon to tell since that problem started about 1-2 months after I got my 16.

Overall, I am liking it. I don't really see any differences outside of more SD space.

I made multiple forms of backup on my 16 to transfer my stuff to the 32 (nandroid, adb and TiBU). The adb backup failed. It restored 90% of my stuff, but for some reason never completed. It also takes -forever-. I didn't want to risk a bad nandroid, especially with the difference in SD size, so I just did a Titanium restore of ALL apps and system data (after reflashing stock). No issues with that, though I did have to manually restore some things afterwards.

I'm debating whether to return it in two weeks when the 3G versions come out and exchange it (plus $50) for one of them. While I normally am by wifi or can tether, the ability to do 3G, especially if I travel internationally, is kind of cool.
[Nexus 7 General] alkemist80:
Went from a prefect 16 C8O to a horrible 32 CAOK to an acceptable 32 C9O.

The screen didn't have lift on the CAOK but the colors were completely washed out. Was unacceptable and now I fully understand when people complained about it. At first I was going to try it for a few days but everyone say they just take it back for an exchange and don't bother with it.

The C9O has a screen much more closer to the C8O but slightly whiter, which is OK, actually makes the colors feel more even in comparison. There was slight screen lift on the left but I seem to have been able to push it flush with the bezel. It's in a case anyways and no spongy feel.

Wi-Fi screen distortion seems to occur more than the 16. Otherwise everything else seems OK so far.
[Nexus 7 General] phonic:
This just goes to show that the manufacture date is useless. A lot of posts have been saying how people wanted the latest release (ie: C90, CA0, etc.), thinking that all the hardware problems were 'fixed'. But alas, they remain. Whether or not your device is 'perfect' is random, and people should basically ignore the CXX info until Assus actually FIXES something.

While I can completely understand that initial manufacturing problems will exist, I would have though by now, 4 months later, that they would have been addressed.
[Nexus 7 General] Croak:
I made a fresh CWMR backup and a fresh TiBu backup, then copied all of "internal storage" to a folder on my PC (I wanted my books, music, etc as well). While that was going on (took awhile) I went to the store and bought a new 32GB CA0 N7.

When I got home the file xfer was done, so I copied that over to the new N7, never setting the device up (it sat at the language select screen while I did the file transfer).

Manually rebooted to Bootloader, ran Nexus 7 Toolkit to unlock and install CWMR, rebooted into Recovery, did a restore, and voila! My new 32GB is all setup just like the old 16GB creaky, lifty and light-bleedy C70. Ran TiBu Market tools to just-in-case reattach all my apps to the Play Store (though I don't think I needed to).

Pretty painless, though the file transfer took 25 minutes both ways.

Oh, and I was running PA 2.53/Franco 2.5 on the old machine, it wasn't stock.

Now I just need to figure out what to do with this piss-poor C70 16Gb. Would hate to sell it to somebody, you would not believe how bad it creaks, it sounds like a door in a horror movie, seriously. The light bleed was about as bad as it gets, four very distinct blobs on the left side, and while the washer trick cured the screen lift, it still bothered me.

Oh, and it's already a warranty replacement (bad USB) from a C60. Might RMA it again, get a fresh(er) one back, and sell that if it's not another piece of crap.
[Nexus 7 General] alkemist80:
^ did it properly count your storage space after restoring the 16 backup? I thought about doing it when I got the 32 but ended up just doing it up the old fashioned way.
[Nexus 7 General] Croak:
Sure did.
[Nexus 7 General] phonic:
So who is planning on upgrading to the 3G version?

According to news reports, it seems like Google, while selling them unlocked, will have both AT&T and TMO versions in the US. I wonder how that will affect distribution. I was originally thinking of going for the TMO $30/month plan, but I see AT&T has a $15/month 250MB prepaid plan that looks nice.
[Nexus 7 General] Croak:
Well, besides the fact that I just bought a 32Gb WiFi to replace my 16, I'd probably pass on the 3G version in any case.

I've got a Tab 8.9 LTE (a pretty good for a 2011 tablet, Snapdragon S3 powered, great display and speakers and form factor). Anyway, I rarely need to use the data plan I have on it. I've also got an OG Galaxy Tab 3G that I also rarely used data on. But in the case of both of those devices, the only way to get them at launch was with cellular.

Not a problem with the N7 (or N10).

I simply tether to my phone if I need data while out and about.
[Nexus 7 General] mr_tris:
Well from what I read I'm glad I kept my perfect 16GB. As for 3G version there's no point I just tether with my phone.
[Nexus 7 General] timnan:
The thing is if I open up a new box and it has same problem, then what can I do? Ask to open another one?
[Nexus 7 General] phonic:
Yup.

Some stores might get upset if you keep wanting to open up their entire inventory, but if they give you a problem just return it for a refund and go somewhere else to buy it.

In the end, don't settle if you find a problem that you can't live with.

Fortunately, my C90 32 was perfect (so far), so I didn't need to return it. And my C60 16 only had minor issues that I knew I could live with, so I kept it. But if I had a major issue, I would have had no qualms with bringing it back.
[Nexus 7 General] mkouk:
I bought a C9 release Nexus 7 16gb and returned it within 2 days due to screen lift issue on the left side.

I took another big leap of faith and ordered the Nexus 7 32 GB version from the Google Play store. This one is CAO release.... so far, the screen hasn't shown any sign of screen lift. The colour reproduction is good, no washed out colours or anything.
[Nexus 7 General] AngeleDei:
Going to do the sane when the 3G one comes out, as I want it unlocked and it doesnt appear to be available anywhere else that way.
[Nexus 7 General] Croak:
They don't make locked Nexus GSM/HSPA devices. They may come pre-installed with a T-Mobile or AT$T SIM card, but they won't be locked. And I can pretty much guarantee that Best Buy, Walmart, etc will be stocking the 3G model (albeit in limited quantities compared to the less-expensive versions).

Don't buy a Nexus 7 (or any other Asus laptop or tablet) online, it's a leap of faith that can often have you landing smack dab on your face.
[Nexus 7 General] AngeleDei:
Thanks I'm in the UK though and it "appears" that we will only get offered the 3g on contract from T-Mobile and "an another" (forget who) and that suggested it would be on contract or you could get it from google play. I would much rather get from bricks and mortar for sure. All that posting back crap is a pita. I'll check on release date how things are. I've still got another 9 days of twddling my thumbs or carrying around my empty roo case :)
[Nexus 7 General] phonic:
The 3G model will be unlocked everywhere, no matter where you buy it. No one has it for sale until 11/13 (unless some retailers oops and sell it sooner). According to press releases, they will be sold with a SIM card bundled in (AT&T in the US apparently), but you can use any GSM SIM with it. I imagine that various carriers will pay a premium to have their SIM included since that will boost their chances of being picked.

My new 32GB appears to be flawless. I really want the 3G unit, but am I bit hesitant to exchange it for one when it comes out. I might buy the 3G first, make sure it's perfect, and then return the 32GB. I have 30-days through Sams Club.
[Nexus 7 General] krips2003:
I got the 32 GB C90 from Staples. After 2 days of usage, I noticed the screen lift on left side. Yesterday in the morning I returned it back and in the evening, I went to Office depot and got a new one. This one seems like manufactured in October as the serial number starts with CA0K. As of now I don't see any screen lift, but then again I didn't see on previous one either but that was C90K until third day. I hope this one stays intact and I don't get any more surprises in coming days, weeks or months.﻿