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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
I'm still a little confused regarding how charging via the USB plug works vs the wireless charging. That is, the USB charging seems to maintain 100% once it reaches it, as opposed to dropping down a few percent, then charging back to 100%, and so on with the wireless charging. That is, it seems like charging via USB doesn't do a trickle charge, while wireless charging does a trickle charge. With the former, I assume that there is no actual battery cycle going on once it reaches 100%, whereas with the wireless charger, the battery incurs more battery cycles since it constantly drops a few percent and goes back up.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] apolloms:
so my N4 made a noise the first time i put it on the orb, but hasn't since....how can i make that come back? or did it just make a noise because when i put it on the charger i was under 20%?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
I think I read that it makes a noise if it's under 95%, but I'm not totally sure.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] apolloms:
definitely not the case, i put it on at 60% yesterday and no noise
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] El Daddy:
It definitely is the case. If the charge is below 95% it will chime if you have your sound on. On vibrate or silent it won't chime.

Here is the commit: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/base/+/84e2756
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] apolloms:
there is something wrong with mine then, just tested it again, 88% battery, max volume, put it on orb and no noise
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
Mine def turns the screen on and makes a warble when I put it on when under 95%. Over that nothing happens. However, if I turn the screen on manually it starts charging (no sound made) and continues charging with the screen off. I can confirm this with light flow.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] powerdoesntrun:
Without getting into an heated argument, I'd like to share some information.

I talked to two different Google support representatives and both of them said even the official bumper and charging orb are not meant to work together, and that they expect you to take the case off in order to charge the phone.

Tell me that's not kind of messed up. In the very least, a disclaimer would have been nice.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kepapas:
Anyone having trouble with the phone sliding off ?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
I noticed with my case (Diztronic TPU) that overall the charging is slower. Make sense since there's a barrier right?

Additionally, it seems to stop earlier, like around 92% it frequently cuts off. I know the phone hasn't slid because I maintain a certain gap between phone and table after placing the phone on the orb. When I turn the screen on it said 92% discharging. I lifted the phone off and put it back down at approximately the same region and it started charging again.

I got my phone to 98% without a case the other day, but it seems to stop short with the case. Anyone noticing this?

You're talking about memory effect, yes, but in terms of charge rate, LiIon batteries last longer with a trickle charge versus a full 2A charge assuming the SAME number of charge cycles. There was an article about this sometime in 2013 on one of the tech sites. I forget where, but if I find it I'll append it to my post.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kioshi:
You are right sir. Back in the HTC Incredible days, many people also thought that the phone was being over charged. People downloaded certain apps and it showed that supply is cut off. But once the power dropped down to 98-99%, the supply shoots small amounts of current to charge it up to 100% again.

With the wireless charger, its the same deal. Engineers know that people plug their phones overnight and use the next day. It doesnt overcharge it.

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Are you rooted?

I am rooted and i had to set the correct permissions for it to beep ALL THE TIME when placed on the charger.

Having wrong permissions will make it beep once and then never again.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] facetubespam:
So, you are saying it is better to charge a phone before it hits the 20% "please connect your charger" notice?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
Are you saying that being plugged in to a USB cable has the same effect as using the wireless charger, that is, do both scenarios stop charging, go down to about 97%, and then charge back to 100%?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kioshi:
This is from my experience on the Nexus 4 vs HTC Incredible.

The drivers suck for the battery on N4.

Plugging into USB into AC adapter I've noticed it doesnt hold the FULL charge as good as on the wireless charging Orb. I need to download the app to monitor more carefully at WHAT PERCENTAGE the orb shoots current to phone to charge, but it does cut off and for the past 2 days of orb usage, its stays at FULL hell of a lot longer than using USB.

Like everyone was saying on here, the screen becomes luke warm when charging. Coming back to my phone w/o lifting it off the orb, the screen isnt as warm as it was when reaching 100%. The Orb does cut off when charged 100%. You have to leave the phone on the orb even if it says 100% because it isn't fully charged to 100%. I've taken my phone off of it after it immediately switched to 100% and went down to 99% after lifting it off orb.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] riko540:
Yeah the face of the charger has to be free of any dust or the phone will slide off.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] facetubespam:
That's an exaggeration. Mine is quite dusty and still holds as good as when it was brand new.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gavin-phelan:
Still no uk place to buy this?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thesebastian:
Its confirmed that after 100% stop charging and use the battery until 97%?

I thought after 100%....stop charging the battery and start using only the AC adapter. (Like a laptop connected to the AC without the battery....or a Macbook Air when the light is Green).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mprziv:
Guys, the orb is definitely magnetic as well. I can pick up the orb with the phone facing down and the phone does not budge...it is definitely held in place by magnets. They are stronger than in my energizer qi matt
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
It's not magnets. The phone stayed in place due to the surface and a small suction effect. Put a thin piece of paper between the orb and the phone. It won't be attracted to the orb because there are no magnets.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cor-master:
Uh yeah I believe google advertises it as being "magnetically" held in place
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] facetubespam:
No they don't.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tysj:
No it is not magnetic, nor is it advertised as magnetic. I just stuck a piece of paper to it and held it upside down. Paper is now magnetic, everyone.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ctbear:
My audio file under /system/media/audio/ui is already set to the same permission as other audio files, and it still doesn't play the sound after the very first time. Is that the correct file?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redeuxx:
Can anyone tell me how well this charges other devices? I have multiple Qi devices and it would be nice if I could use this for future phones as well.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elsydeon:
Something strange is going on now with my Orb. The first time I used it, it charged my phone to 100 without any issue. But now there seems to be a constant charge/discharge going on, making it struggle to even get up by 1%. I gave the phone a reboot and it's still doing this. Never had this issue when using a USB cable.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jayrod1980:
Well good thing the idiots or rather reps on the play store have less knowledge about their product than a really poor car salesman does. They are basically there to say sorry and route your issue/ticket to the people with knowledge that you aren't allowed to talk to. The bumper works great with the orb as does every tpu I've tried as well as the rinke hybrid.

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While it charges there is a magnetic field... The phone will get pulled in if charging is initiated but the weight is borne by the silicone rings of the phone. Even the lg pad with no sticky silicone rings has a slight pull when charge is induced. The thing doesn't hold up paper clips and whatnot because they don't initiate a charge.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The Unnamed Time Lord:
Can anyone confirm on how well the Orb works with the Nillkin tree texture flip book case? I want to make sure before dropping $60 on this that it will be able to hold the device and charge it without any issues.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrGorillaNoodles:
Just started having an issue today guys.

I put the phone on and it wouldn't charge. I replugged the charger and then it started working again. This happened at both 48% battery and 95% battery, so this isn't an issue of charge level.

I can't seem to figure out exactly when or why it stops working, but the 2-3 times it happened it seemed to stop after repetitively removing and replacing the phone (maybe after ~5 times in a few minute increments) when I was getting text messages.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] negroplasty:
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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rusty!:
I've read reports of that happening on a few different Qi chargers, so it might be inherent to the design.

My Maxell has never done it (yet?) though.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cramu:
AW: Wireless charging Orb

Does the orb make any clicking noises, when not charging, like the WCP-700 does?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdatastic:
i have two WCP-700 qi chargers and neither make a clicking noise when not charging. I have them plugged into Aussie 240 volt power if that makes any difference.

Is the click from the charger or the power supply?

EDIT: out of curiosity i just put my ear up against it and i can hear a slight clicking. It's very quiet though. I wish I'd never read this thread now...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neb001:
The orb was completely silent when I checked it when I first took it out of the packaging. I'm at work now but can double check later today.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rusty!:
Seems to be a standard Qi thing
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snapper.fishes:
All of this is starting to make me wish the nexus 4 stuck with pogo pins. It appears that wireless charging technology just isn't quite ready for prime time yet.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ]grimm[:
I've seen this happen with my orb and I also do the same thing that you do, repeatedly remove and re-place the phone on the charger until it works.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adamhlj:
I have observed that as soon as my phone hits 88% charge, the screen starts turning on and off and won't charge any further. My device also gets really warm.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djbutter:
Just got my orb yesterday and left my phone on the charger overnight, with the doubletwist alarm clock on (with clock displayed). Went to bed at midnight with 64%, and woke up with 56%!

I guess I can't use the doubletwist clock. Pretty disappointing.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
My energizer qi charger also makes a faint clicking noise.

I still don't think the electric field you speak of is enough to cause a physical attraction between the charger and the phone. If it was, then logically ALL qi chargers would cause a magnetic attraction to the phone, right? I have an energizer qi charger that has a slick surface instead of the orb's sticky surface, and my phone EASILY slides all around on the pad while it's charging. In fact, it's so slippery that I had to put a few strips of electrical tape on the pad to create some friction.

Also, unplug the power from your orb and put your N4 on it. Then hold it upside down (carefully). You'll see that the N4 sticks just as much to it when no charging is going on.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] americasteam:
I got a problem here. I received my orb today. I unpacked and plugged it up under my desk. I then bent down to grab something and the orb magnetized to my forehead. It won't come off for nothing and I can't reach the plug to unplug it. I'm terrified my coworkers will get sucked into this vortex as well. Please help me before me and my entire department perishes. :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] androidfoshizzle:
So is this orb a POS?

NEXUS 4...Make em say uhhh..nah nah nah
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpjimmy:
POS? No. It's nice, but not as nice as many as hoped. Like I read somewhere, Google should have shoved a small battery in there to create a wireless orb charger, even for a little bit or for emergencies. But that didn't happen.

I have it, I like it. The orb retired my energizer pad at home and now have the LG at home. I guess when the Tylt VU comes out, we'll see who prevails on my desk lol.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
I actually really like it, so much that I'm considering getting another one so I can have one at home and in my office.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] minnemike:
I like it so much I'm trying to think of ways to add one to my truck. I will not have any of this annoying having to plug it in to charge it bullsh*t any longer!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] facetubespam:
I love the Orb. Was waiting for the VU, but after having the Orb now, I like it more because the VU will look like Godzilla next to the Orb on your desk. Sure the VU has brighter colors, and can double as a book stand, but I like how the compact design of the Orb looks when your phone is not on it.....and for $10 less :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arvonn:
Yes, I'm having the same problem for the last two nights now.

Assuming the phone gets charged, it does slip some times, and stops charging - but assuming that i get it on just perfectly - and it charges, once I take it off, I start loosing 3% battery per hour to "PowerManagerService.WirelessChargerDetector" Kernel Wakelock and I have 0% deep sleep. This occurs on Stock 4.2.2 kernel and Faux123's Mako 007b1

Seem that I have to fully charge via plug, and reboot to get this wakelock to go away.

So now, my pre-Orb typical usage, ~1.5 hrs screen time / day + 20+ hrs on = ~50% battery usage,

is now 1.5 hrs screen time + 10 hrs battery = ~85 % usage... :( n= 4 days, 5 charging cycles, 2 stock, 2 with mako 007b1. all same results. :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VidMan:
I had this same problem today. In 4 hours, the wireless detector wake lock ate 50% of my battery. Worst part is, even after multiple restarts, the phone still won't go into deep sleep! It's stuck at 1.02Ghz.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
I'm pretty sure the phone never goes into deep sleep when it's charging, even when charging via USB.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TooCrzy:
Mine has shipped. Can't wait to get it... :D
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jameskk:
Everyone who is having problems with the charger turning off and on again, this is most likely because the phone is slowly sliding off the ORB like mine keeps doing. I have repeatedly cleaned my orb and moistened the pads. I've also cleaned my phone and used a strong magnifying glass to view the surface and ensure that virtually no dust is on the surface but it keeps sliding off... sometimes it'll stay on for a few hours and sometime for a few minutes but it always slowly slides off the ORB. I can place my iPhone 5 on it and it will stay... same with my Nokia Lumia 920, it stays on the ORB... so, the problem appears to be the slippery glass surface of the Nexus 4. I was able to prop my ORB up so that the surface is almost flat and my Nexus 4 stays on it and works fine. But it does seem to discharge very fast once taken off. Hope this info helps.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jcicora:
A little OT, but please forgive me...

What cases are you using with your N4 and the orb?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
The trick like other people said is to stick a piece of paper in between the phone and the charger. Any stickiness or "magnetic attraction" you thought there was is now not present.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VidMan:
The problem is that I'm seeing this wake lock after the phone has been fully charged by the orb and is now off it.

EDIT: Resolved it by resetting System Tuner which set interactive governor at boot.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
Agreed. I said the same thing, but a few people responded by saying that the magnetic attraction only occurred when charging was initiated, and since charging is not initiated when a paperclip is put there, it doesn't prove anything.

I agree with you, btw, just telling you others' responses.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arvonn:
So changing the governor resolved the problem?

hmm...

Maybe I don't understand - are you saying that 'interactive' governer fixed the problem?

Pre-Orb and Pre-4.2.2, I found much better battery life using Faux's Intellidemand (ondemand+stuff) + qualcom mpdecision turned off. .this would lead to ~1% per hour standby battery usage. Same settings + Orb + 4.2.2 I'm getting 3% per hour standby battery usage -- which is basically 0 deep sleep due to PowerManagerService.WirelessChargerDetector is keeping CPU at 384 mhz..

Note - I did run 4.2.2 prior to using the orb and I did not get that wakelock ..

Does anyone using a non-Orb charger have the same wakelock drain?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RyDeRgr:
Hey guys, did you saw this?

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VidMan:
I had System Tuner set to set Interactive governor at boot. I disabled that option, rebooted, and reenabled the set at boot option for the Interactive governor. Somehow that fixed the problem of CPU being stuck at 1.02Ghz.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] milk242:
I haven't had any problems with slippage with my Ringke case on. It does seem to charge faster than the Nokia DT-910 but I can't empirically confirm it. The ORB is nice, but I was hoping for more dock like features being built into it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kioshi:
yes sir. Mine makes the noise.

What rom are you running again? Are you on 4.2.2 with update radio+bootloader?

I am on PA rom build 15 and it beeps for me since i placed the file in that location with those permissions set.

I say do a clean wipe and start fresh and then place that file in the UI folder and reboot.

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I love it. Place phone on and go to sleep.

Wake up next morning. Look at my phone's usb port and say you ain't going loose on me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
I don't think who you talked to is knowledgeable. The center of the orb is raised and there is plenty of room for the bumper to clear with the rear of the phone flush on the charging surface.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CSX321:
I just now had an idea for cleaning it, so I tried it, and it worked fantastically well. I rolled a lint roller over it, the sticky kind you use to get lint and hair off of clothing. One pass, and it was super-clean!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arvonn:
I disabled the 'Day Dream' and that wakelock is gone, and i'm back down to ~1.x % per hour standby.. down from ~3+% per hour.

Day Dream + that wakelock is *not* worth extra 2% per hour battery drain with no deepsleeping.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DandroidT:
I used a piece of paper between the phone and the orb, it charged but phone slid right off the orb. My conclusion: no magnetic on mine orb. The question is: orb has no magnet or I have a defective unit???
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] americasteam:
There is no magnetic attraction when charging. Throw the Lumia on it's charger and then come back and talk to me. This needs to die. It's ridiculous.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
I know. I can't believe some people. It's CLEARLY NOT MAGNETIC!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CSX321:
BTW, if you would like to NOT use Daydream, but to still have the screen stay on while charging wirelessly, I have posted a bug fix and workaround on the Android issues list: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=48980

You must be rooted to do it, but it's simple if you are. You only need to issue the command once, and the setting is retained through reboots.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zxyz:
I really don't understand why we don't have it available Canada. Anyone know when it will be available? :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snapper.fishes:
Some people believe that Elvis is still alive, and that Obama is secretly a Muslim. You can't win an argument against idiots.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] El Daddy:
Yeah but the blogs said it was so it has to be true!!! ;)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark manning:
Wait so you mean Elvis is really dead :what::what::what::what:

Sent from my Nexus⁴
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmyz:
EXACT same experience- I will have to send it back
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leyton01:
The Qi Slim pad looks pretty nice - might be a good alternative. Not sure where to get it either :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DandroidT:
My question is more for people who has no sliding problem with the orb when using no case or back skin of any kind to test the paper method and see their results. With bare back, my phone will slip off the orb in few minutes and stop charging.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] androidfoshizzle:
Obama definitely isn't "black" and he has gotten lighter quicker than formula racecar

NEXUS 4...Make em say uhhh..nah nah nah
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
Its been confirmed that there is nothing beyond the electromagnetic field that is generated when charging, which wouldnt be enough to hold the phone. Its held in place by rubber that is very tacky and creates a bit of a suction cup effect.

So as long as your phone or case has a perfectly flat, smooth and hard surface with no pores it should logically stick.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kcbboy:
Wow mine shipped this morning and it's out for early delivery. Originally scheduled for tomorrow. :thumbup:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] facetubespam:
I finally found one think I do not like about the orb.

When your battery is completely dead, it will not charge your phone or turn it on. I had to plug in my usb cable for it to charge and turn on :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cramu:
I hoped the orb would charge the phone silently, because I wanted to use it on my nightstand.

The clicking of the WCP-700 is not loud enough to keep you from sleeping, but still loud enough to be annoying.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sigismond0:
Anybody have any luck opening it up to put a magnet in? This whole sliding off in five minutes business is terrible. I'll try my luck when I get home tonight, I think I have a decent magnet somewhere.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CSX321:
Mine is on my nightstand, and I haven't heard anything from it. But then, I'm in my 40's, and my hearing probably isn't what it once was. Certainly my eyesight isn't! :cool: