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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Q.Entity:
Sv: Wireless charging Orb

What woukd be interestto know is whether the battery monitoring apps are accurate and how much a case changes the charging time (if anything).

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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MatUK.8:
Weird because mine is so sticky that I have to practically pry the phone off of the orb. Must be the type of rear glass protector I have no mine.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CSX321:
Same here.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cheeze[iT]:
Same I got the spigen on the back and it sticks like there's a magnet. It even lifts the orb up when I grab the phone. Love it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s1mba_:
can someone confirm the sound problems when putting the phone on charge with the volume on?

also how hot does the phone normally get? i checked it just now and it was up at 102 F after putting it on there for ~40 min
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A2Eric:
Sent mine back for the same (sliding off) reason.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DarkSi08:
Both mine and my wife's chargers have the sliding issue, as well. I love the thing, but it's not working out so well for us. They're both clean, both phones are clean and case-free, no glass protectors, etc. Both phones slide throughout the course of the night, and slide past the charging point.

I'm pretty disappointed. I waited this long for the charging pad, and it's a pretty massive disappointment. They should have used a stronger magnet. I really wanted to be able to dock my phone in landscape, but there's no way in heck, when it slides while docked the right way.

So, that's two more docks going back to Google!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leyton01:
They should have used "a" magnet you mean.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DarkSi08:
I have the same issue - the dock sometimes doesn't initiate the noise when I put the phone on the charger. Daydream is also flaky. It'll come up most of the time, but over the course of the time it takes for my phone to slide off of the dock, it will usually decide to un-dim the screen, shut the screen off, etc.

I haven't had a single bad experience with this phone, before this. I guess I should be glad that this is all stupid, minor stuff, although I'm extremely upset about the dock quality.

For reference, by the way - when my docks first came, I WAS able to pick the dock up with the phone. It's only been a week since then, and the phone slides. Guess what? I can still pick the dock up with the phone. Two different kinds of pressure.

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They didn't use one at all? The initial info on the dock said they were holding the phone in place by magnet. I guess they changed the design.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dan40hands:
I wanted to get one of these because it looks so cool...but when I think about it logically, something still needs to be plugged in...What real advantage does it give you other than a lighter wallet? (Not trying to be negative, just want to convince myself to get it)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leyton01:
Nope - just the sticky stuff.

Doesn't seem to work for everyone - fine for others. Will be interesting over time how the orbs age. It is only reasonable that their 'stickiness' will deteriorate with time - I wonder what the failure rate will be.

I cancelled my order (which was on hold due to Google wallet problem) and glad I did. I was drop shipping to Australia and warranty would have been too hard.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DarkSi08:
Yeah, it was an odd design decision. They clearly changed part of the design before they sent it to manufacture, it looks like they should have made other changes, too. Magnets, for example. :P

I can't imagine that rubber will stay sticky for more than a few months to a year, even with a few cleanings.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaPhang:
Works for me after using case and screen protector

I feel you, I had the same problem with mine. So I tried a screen protector one night and a case another night. Put it in landscape, because that is how I wanted it. It works in both those scenarios without even moving. I am waiting for my $3 back screen protector I ordered on Amazon to come in as permanent solution, for now I am using my TPU case that I got while I was waiting for the official bumper. Been using for several days now without any issues. I know, doesn't work right out of the box for some like it should, but I am happy I found a solution and can still use it without going through the hassle of returning it and not owning one. Even if I did an exchange, I might end up with the same thing.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmyz:
I wonder if they ever tested the final design. My completely stock nexus (no cover, protector on back side) slid right off the thing in a period of 10-15 minutes (BTW my phone slips off everything if its not a completely flat surface). I'm a huge Google fan but this product was a real loser.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Knolly:
WOW.

Just got mine.

This sucks.

I LOVED my Touchstone that I hacked to work with my Galaxy Nexus, since the magnets snapping it into place just worked flawlessly and looked great. But this just kinda has the phone sit there. Ah well, disappointing but still neat.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alber Wesker:
The charging speed of the orb is terrible! Sometime it even doesn't work at all while it says charging! I usually wake up in the morning and find that the battery is something like 20% with orb charging, which almost ruins my day!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
Unless you use one you wont get it. My girlfriend didnt see the point until she saw my two, I think she kind of expected me to give her one of mine. She eventually ordered one.

Its a nice stand as well and you can just pick it up on the way out. Ive always had a cradle of some sort. Previously it was a USB stand that held the phone up and as the phone slid in it plugged it in. Those were OK but it still put some stress on the USB and I had it die on one phone.In this case that cant happen, I almost never use the USB now.

a. The phone is displayed now and its secure enough to use. I have one on my desk in my office and I respond to texts and such without picking it up. I have on on the night stand and I use the phone as a remote for the Google TV

b. Its elevated off of the speaker making it much easier to hear. In the office I use it for speakerphone, at home its my alarm clock.

c. It charges and is eaiser to initiate and take it off the charger and is about impossible to damage the phone. Bending that USB plug could potentially damage something.

Sucks for those who are having problems. I have two that are flawless. Very secure and charge quite well. I cant say they are quicker because I am actually using some 500ma chargers on them. They do charge the phone but its a trickle, which I prefer since the phone is sitting in the charger for an extended period of time. Less heat = more life.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] idividebyzero:
do people have to pay a restocking fee when returning?

this damn thing should be recalled
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
I you looked on the Apple forums you'd think the iphone shoudl be recalled because 100% of them fail. Welcome to the world of being on a forum where people come to *****. Its called "selection bias."
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elwilson4:
The first time I used my orb overnight it charged to 100%. Subsequently from then on it was usually around 60%. I was using the charger cable and plug that came with my N4. I decided to use the cable and plug provided with the orb and now everytime it is 100%. Are you using the usb cable and plug that came with the orb?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Long-Rider:
Dissapeared

The Orb has now gone from the UK play store. It used to say "not available in your country" now, not on the page at all.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rdelfin:
Same here. I ordered two and both of them work stupendously well.

The fact that so many are complaining about the sliding issue makes me suspect that the orb works BETTER when placing the phone with a case (I have the Ballistic, which is one of the thickest out there, and the orb "grasps" it very well).

I use one in my office and the thing looks so damn sleek. The other one is in my bedroom. When I first placed my order I started to experience buyer's remorse ($136 for two chargers), but now that I've had the opportunity to use them for a week, all my remorse has dissipated due to how convenient this has been for me.

I guess, if some forced me to come up with one, the only minor "gripe" would be that the orb does not "stick to the ground" so I wouldn't have to use both my hands to separate my cased phone from the Orb. So my solution to this? I used a sort of double-sided adhesive pads to stick to orb to the table and now the thing feels premium. :victory:

I would like to hear about how others have gone into solving the "sticking the orb to the table"-issue. Have you gone into doing something for this purpose?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elsydeon:
Decided not to keep mine, I just don't trust what this thing is doing to the battery with the strange constant charge/discharge cycles that it keeps doing to get to 100. My first pic shows what's happening when it's on the Orb, the 2nd is through a regular USB cable. This is using Battery Drain Monitor app. I'd really urge others to check and see if theirs is doing the same with an actual battery monitoring app.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] idividebyzero:
Cases work because they arent a nonstick surface like gorilla glass. Google used a friction based pad for a non-stick phone, thats unbelievable, up there with glow in the dark sunglasses.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CSX321:
Mine sticks so well to just the bare back of the phone, that I can't imagine what is going wrong for those for whom it isn't sticking. There's no possible way mine would slide off. Clean silicone rubber sticks like crazy to clean glass, and I can only say that it's working fine for me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] idividebyzero:
I can guarantee with 100% certainty that it will eventually slide off, these silicone things dont last very long
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CSX321:
We'll see. I don't think you can have had yours more than about a day longer than I've had mine. It's not like I just got it yesterday.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sbasinger:
This is weird. My old Nexus 4 that I had since launch stuck to the orb like glue, literally. Sometimes when I would pick the phone up while it was charging, the orb would remain stuck to it. It never budged.

This week I did an RMA and my new Nexus slides off after about 20 minutes.

Is it possible that nearly three months of handling the Nexus created some sort of imperceptible layer that enabled it to stick to the orb, or maybe there is an oleophobic coating on the back that has since worn down to such a degree as to cause the phone to stick better? I'm thinking one of those is the answer.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CSX321:
I don't know. I've had this phone less than a month, and mine sticks really well. I carry it in my pocket, currently with nothing on the back, so it does stay very clean.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sbasinger:
Oh, mine was clean as a whistle too. I guess I gave the impression that my phone was filthy. On the contrary, I cleaned it regularly, and always wiped it down.

I'm guessing that it has something to do with an oleophobic coating wearing off/down.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knt2shdy:
is it safe to plug the wireless orb into a computer usb and not the wall adapter
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
Mine worked. It could just barely keep up with light use and provide a few hundred MA while the screen was off. Its how I'm powering the orb at work.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] negroplasty:
Not really a good idea since the orb's input is 1.8A and your computer will not do anywhere near that... you are going to be barely charging your phone this way. Who knows, in the long term this could even cause damage. Note also the instructions state to use only the USB cable and power block that came with the orb.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] riceknight:
Been using mine in the car with a high power car charger. Worked perfectly and I can't stress how convenient it is to just be able to put my phone down while driving without plugging in.

Makes streaming bluetooth and/or directions painless.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
Everyone always says only to use approved chargers because its easy to say they can't warranty cheap chargers. Using only a trickle and not fully recharging through the day is better for longevity at the cost of capacity. You don't want the battery constantly being at 100%.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
Thanks for posting the graphs. I've been concerned about these effects of wireless charging too. In the end, I really like the wireless charging, and get a new phone every year, so I'm telling myself that I won't have the phone long enough to notice any negative effects, but I'm not really sure of that.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CSX321:
I just had a thought. Could the phone's vibration setting be causing it to slide off the orb for some people? I don't use that setting typically, so maybe that's why mine hasn't slid off?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] facetubespam:
Any pics of your orb in car setup?

Nope. Been proven it is not the vibration.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pheno.menon:
I can't imagine how people are having their phones slide off the orb.. I've had mine for over a week and sometimes I have to make an effort to take it off, that's how secure it holds..

It did not hold magnetically on the first time I attached it to the orb, but second time onwards worked like a charm.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Techno79:
I'm in the UK and waiting for the Orb to come available here too. It is curious why they changed the page but having a "not available in your country" and not having a page at all both have the net same result in that we can't order it in the UK. Hopefully it'll be available soon as I'm really wanting to get it ordered and start using it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheIntruder:
I get the feeling we are in for a long wait as usual..

Int

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rusty!:
It's not a general wireless thing, my Maxell charger is a constant charge:

I doubt the Orb should be any different, it's probably a faulty one (or at least a fault somewhere in the chain, be it AC adaptor, cable, Orb or phone).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elsydeon:
While your charging percentage is consistent, I'm not so sure your Maxell isn't acting strange in its own way. Assuming you basically left your phone alone (well, you'd have to leave it alone, can't exactly pick it up and use it...one of the big drawbacks to wireless charging vs. a plain cable) and it was mostly sleeping and doing minor syncing, your change percentage looks as varied as what I got on my Orb. On the USB cable the change is pretty much flat and never spikes in any extreme way. It seems as though these wireless chargers force some sort of extra background CPU activity to happen as it charges.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m0h1t:
This is let everybody know that the wireless charger works even when the phone is switched off. A nexus 4 even when powered down will charge from the wireless charger.

Also, I got a spare wireless charger in delhi, anybody interested in buying it off me in India can pm me.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tagadä:
I hope it will come in France soon. It looks great. :good:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dan40hands:
Thanks for the explanation. I'm considering one for the office because I do plug/unplug often. It's funny you mention the potential USB damage because that happened to my s3 which isn't that old :mad:.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
Also for those complaining about the constant on and off charging look up maintenance of lithium batteries.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SefEXE:
Yeah, I saw somewhere that someone complained about it not charging when off, but I disagree!

+1
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dan40hands:
I wrote a chemistry paper in college about lithium-ion batteries. I found that contrary to popular belief, lithium-ion batteries have no "memory". There is scientific evidence to show that partial charging does not affect long-term battery life. In fact, it's better for the longevity of the battery if you charge it more often between uses.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] suntzu:
Completely agree.

As a matter of fact, full power cycling (0-100% charging cycles) of these batteries causes a shortening of battery life due to degradation. For some reason battery cycling is an often recommended solution on forums for people with battery problems. Even continuous charging may be detrimental in the long run.

It's actually the opposite. Multiple charges, normal daily usage are what allows the battery to have maximal output and life expectancy.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] M3ta7h3ad:
They are extremely sensitive to heat though, which is why charging at full voltage past 100% is unwise as heat build up kills batteries. Have had friends laptops die in the same manner, used always plugged in, battery performance dropped off like a brick.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
Its not about memory, its about charging to full capacity shortens life. 100% isn't 100%, its as close to 100% as you can get without killing the battery. The less time you spend near 100% the better, you should be closer to 70%. Every smart charger knows this and cycles in maintenance mode.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CSX321:
When I leave my laptop plugged in, it eventually figures out that what I'm doing and discharges it down to about 70%. When I realized it was doing that, I was impressed.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] psxindo:
Does anybody use this with Poetic Slimbook? Does it work with it?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
Speaking to the post that was worried about the constant charging/discharging when on the orb once 100% is reached:

I just monitored my N4 on one night while on an Energizer charging pad and the other night while on the orb. While on the Energizer pad, there was no such constant charging/discharging at 100%. There was the occasional discharge to 99% and charge back to 100%, but it wasn't constant.

The orb was a different story. Just like the poster who pointed this out, on the orb, there was constant alternating between charging and discharging statuses once the battery reached 100%.

I'm not quite sure what to think of this, but it's an obvious difference.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djbutter:
My phone started slipping off the orb a few days after use and now it happens constantly. What a POS design.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rdelfin:
Use a case, boom!, problem solved and you added protection as a side effect.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrg2003:
I have the orb. Its seriously flawed. I bought a much better one on eBay for $20

sent from my nexus 4; cat on lap, beer in hand
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyijedi:
Your'e gonna have to elaborate.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dannyling:
I've just ordered a qi USB charger from website ,what's the battery monitoring app ,I think it gives out a low charge but hopefully will be better even thou it will be longer .I've given up waiting for official one in the UK
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ilostmyandroid:
If you search on YouTube for "wireless orb slipping" you can see four clips showing the slipping issue. I would include direct links but I don't have enough posts yet.

I have tested the charging orb myself with two Nexus 4 phones and both phones will slip.

I am disappointed with the slipping issue and am not sure exchanging it will make a difference. At the very least I will have to prop the charger so its surface is horizontal which will be a little tricky because of the way the usb cable plugs into the rounded back of the orb.

I can't believe slipping is even an issue on a ~$70 (after tax and shipping) charging stand.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ImSherlocked:
Just received mine. One strange thing is it does not seem to charge to 100%. It is stuck at 97% for last one hour. Anybody else facing similar issue?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaPhang:
Rear screen protector works perfectly

A rear screen protector works great too!

Many have determined that the glass of the phone is too smooth and causes it to slip. I know some with a bare back has it sticking really good. For me, mine was slipping until I used a TPU case, or rear screen protector. My rear screen protector that is made just for the N4 came in recently, so I put it on this past weekend. I can flip the orb over with the phone on it and it sticks on there and requires some effort to remove.

My conclusion is, as someone on here already mentioned. Maybe the coating on the back glass wears out over time, becomes a little rough and sticks perfectly after that. I keep my phone in landscape on the orb and it works perfectly every time now.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jase07:
care to share what you bought?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dawiyo:
I've got 2 orbs. One seems to work fine however one does not. I have one on my nightstand and every day I wake up and my phone only has a 80% charge. Also, if I take the phone off and put it back one (with it's 80% charge), I have to unplug the org and plug it back in for it to work again. Is this normal? It can't be.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CSX321:
No, that's not the way mine works. I've had mine a little over a week, and it's still working perfectly for me. It's on my nightstand. I put the phone one it (bare back) every night, usually take it off and put it back a handful of times while I'm sitting in bed, and in the morning it's still exactly where I left it and is fully charged. I cleaned the orb once when I got it by wiping it with a damp cloth, then rolled a lint roller over it to get rid of any dust from the cloth, and I haven't touched it since. I've had the phone less than a month, so I don't think any coating has worn off it (it feels the same as ever to the touch). I don't know what the explanation is for those having problems with the orb. Manufacturing defects?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dawiyo:
I just contacted Google Play Device support. They said there is no warranty on the Orbs. This is ridiculous.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mdh007:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_wireless_charger

Their site says a "warranty card" was included in the box. Check that? I think you just got an incompetent representative.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SpookyTunes:
Are you using the charger that came with the orb, or the one that came with the phone?

The phone comes with a 5V/1.0A charger.

The ORB comes with a 5V/1.8A charger (slightly longer).

The ORB produces 1.0A output with 1.8A input, which I think may be why many are having issues with Qi chargers not fully charging their phones.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheSoupNazi:
Is there any place to buy this orb in Canada? I've only pre-ordered it on Puremobile.ca and they won't ship until April. Since I see lots of people have it already, anywhere else I can get this sooner?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
Mine charges no matter what I plug into it. From 500ma to 2a sources.