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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkamikaze:
There's a lot of contradictory statements floating around though...

According to this forum post, the touchstone works with Qi. (The post shows the LG Revolution which comes with Qi wireless charging tech used with Touchstone)

So i don't what know to believe lol
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwahchees:
I'm heading it'll be about 50 bucks. I'm definately getting it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vido.ardes:
He got it working after hacking the induction coil off a palm pre onto his device, which kinda proves it doesn't work
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VinceThePrince:
I ended picking two up anyway, on the rare chance they do work. What's ten bucks in the long run lol. Besides, since they have magnets I can use one to stylishly dock my phone on my nightstand and one on my car's dashboard
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Croptop:
This ^. Exactly this. One for my desk at work and one for the bedside table to charge overnight. Depending on how strong the connection between the phone and the pedestal is, I might even look at wiring one into the centre console of my car.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
Cool, that actually looks quite nice.

Isn't £38 quite expensive for a charger though, I'd hate to jump in and get one only for Google to release the orb.

Do you feel its worth the price, knowing you already had a cable charger with the phone?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CharmingCharlie:
You could always buy the Energizer one, I believe that is being sold for £118 in the UK :p . I personally find £40 to be about the "right" price I would pay for a wireless charger myself. I wouldn't hold my breath for Google to release the Orb though, there is no telling how long you will have to wait (if it ever gets released). Even if it does get released it will be in such small quantities that it will be just as rare as the Nexus 4.

Google's inept hardware releases is one of the reasons why I am sourcing a third party Qi charger myself. I am getting the Maxwell at £40 and will use it. If and when the Orb becomes available I will purchase one of them as well. Then having two will mean I can have the Orb by my bedside so when I go to bed I just plonk it n the Orb and it charges. Meanwhile the Maxwell will find a new home on my desk downstairs and when I am at my desk I can just plonk the phone down and it will charge on that too.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Higgsy:
No problems with answering questions peeps

Yes the Daydream stays on while charging - just had the jelly bean one on actually :)

Once its charged the blue light at the top turns off and yes it does turn back on automatically once its lost a bit of charge :good:

It not super sensitive to where it is placed, however you need to put it fairly central, it wont charge if you put it right at the edge - but whoo would do that anyways?

Well I paid £28 as mentioned and hope to claw a bit of that back with the sale of the iphone sleeve, however I would have paid £38 for it. I just chanced on it when searching ebay for qi chargers and was quite lucky put in a max bid for £24.50 and someone tried to snipe me in last 2 secs but only put in £23.50 max bid so I won! I knew its worth, I was also lucky it was brand new and unopened.

I can see why people in this thread are saying its a revelation, not to sound cheesy or anything but it feels great to use! I think its worth the money, and it really wouldn't surprise me if the orb was more expensive (if the bumper is anything to go by), speculation on my part tho. I also prefer the mat to a stand type thing like the orb, this one also matches the phone really well in looks.

I seriously recommend it for any members in the UK.

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A couple more things, It has a shiny top but it covered in plastic - I have just going to keep the plastic on as it gives a bit of extra grip, also the power jack is kind of recessed into the body of the mat, so it doesn't stick out, wwhat the heck heres another photo:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ntc3freak:
Hey guys,

So my Nokia DT-900 charger came in the mail today, and now I'm kicking myself for not researching more before i ordered the damn thing. I didn't even realize this thread existed. And after trying the thing out and doing my research, needless to say I'm very very pissed.

Then I ordered 2 of LG's charging pad from Ebay. They are coming from the US, so who knows when it will arrive here in Germany. Can't seem to find the pad anywhere in Europe.

Anyway, what pisses me off most is, why on earth does the Nokia charger not work? Aren't these things supposed to conform to the Qi standards? I mean, if 2 devices that are supposed to conform to the same exact standards don't go well together, then why the hell do we even have the standard? Jeez.

Thank goodness for Amazon's excellent return program. This thing is going out first thing Monday. Sorry for the rant guys, I'm just frustrated. It shouldn't be this hard
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CharmingCharlie:
Cheers for the answers Higgsy, just what I wanted to hear :D . I can't wait to take delivery of my Maxwell charger looking forward to ditching USB charging once and for all.

Does the Nokia Charger or packaging have the Qi logo on it anywhere ? I have been trying to follow this as much as I can but I haven't seen anyone actually show proof that Nokia chargers are Qi compatible. It has just been sort of "assumed" they were. If the charger has the Qi logo and it isn't compatible with ALL Qi devices then that is a big screw up by the Qi standards organisation.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ntc3freak:
Hope the pics clear this up. And yes I strongly agree this is a major screw up. With such a new technology, this is the last thing consumers want. These standards are supposed to make our lives easier, no?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jvanlew:
Yes it does have a qi logo (bottom right). I got one when I ordered my lumia 920 (subsequently returned the phone, kept the charger).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] runningwarrior08:
Honestly this biggest mis understood part of Qi is that all Qi will work with Qi and they do work. Bit that doesn't mean they will charge... Our Nexus needs 1200mA to charge at expected rate. The Wcp charges at 1000mA so a slight loss but not enough to notice. All of these rated values are called their "ideal" rates after factors of distance between coils etc. It goes down. The WCP probably charges at about 900mA.

The Nokia is a Qi charger which is why the phone recognizes it as a charger. But it most likely is the distance and material in between that puts the charge rating so low that the phone either does not recognize it or the charger does not recognize the phone.

It is probably the second of the two.

As a safety feature Qi chargers have a built in stop. If nothing is receiving the charge it will shut off, but then it recognizes the phone again and kicks back on, if the charge is not great enough or the inductive penetration is not great enough the phone will look for a greater current causing the charger to lose connection and shut off.

I just recently modded my Lg WCP to put more magnets to attract the receiving plate in the Nexus so it doesn't act like it is on a slip n slide anymore and it does help greatly.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ntc3freak:
But then it's just a bit misleading, isn't it? It's fair enough that other standards don't work with the Nexus 4 like the powermat things. But this being a Qi charger, it should work without any problems. Having did my research, people are confused enough to ask if chargers using a different standard will work, now they will be even more confused that some chargers don't even work, even though they share the same standards.

I really do not know who to blame on this, Nokia for advertising that their chargers are compatible with any Qi-compliant phones, or Qi themselves for not having stricter standards so that every single Qi charger will work without any sort of hiccups with all Qi phones. Is that too much to ask for? IMO it isn't. And God knows when Google will release the official one, if ever.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] junks2010:
Wireless Gear 5WC800

I just received my two Wireless Gear chargers and just want to confirm that it works...

The first time I put my phone on it, it can charge my N4 from 89% to 98% in about ~30min.

After I removed my phone from the charger and then put it back on the charger, nothing happened. The phone and the charger did not recognize each other any more. It turns out that either the charger or the phone think that the battery is full.

After I drained the battery down to 85% and put the phone back on the charger, it charges the phone again.

And it's thin and fits the N4 perfectly (about 5mm wider on all sides).

Oh... I have to match the bottom of the phone to the top of the charger.

So don't throw away your 5WC800 yet guys :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] runningwarrior08:
I agree with you 100% and the standard applies to "low power consumption devices"

Which in this case can be from 0 to 5 watts. But the main problem with the standard is the distance, as "L" increases (this distance between the transmitter and receiver plate) the Force decreases causing the charging current to go down. So what would have to happen is they would have to set a thickness standard and also a materials standard which by the range of Qi devices you can see does not exist.

Unfortunately looking at Qi's home page they do not really publish their standards to the public.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
Ok , I bought the Maxell Air Voltage from eBay UK :)

I just hope that i think its worth the price when I get to use it. lol
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CharmingCharlie:
Thanks for the pics ntch3freak and jvanlew, that is a major screw up then if they are allowed to have the qi logo on their products when they clearly are NOT compatible (and by compatible I mean actually charge Qi certified products). In my meanderings around the net it seems to me that Nokia are playing fast and loose with the standard. Not only do their chargers not work with the Nexus 4 phone but their Qi certified JBL speaker system doesn't work with the Nexus 4 either. This needs to be sorted out by the wireless power consortium.

As a consumer I don't care about if's and but's if I have a Qi phone and Qi is a standard then in my consumer like mind I should be able to buy ANY Qi certified charger and charge my Qi certified phone. Thankfully there are alternatives out there, it seems the Nexus 4 will work with pretty much every Qi charger it just will not work with anything from Nokia.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ntc3freak:
Your last paragraph is exactly how I feel, too. Imagine how frustrating it could be for the average consumer who don't linger around XDA or whatnot. I feel sorry for those people and i really hope not many have bought the Nokia chargers in the expectation that it will work seamlessly, like myself.

On a side note, during my research I saw one guy saying he put a mousepad over the DT-900 to stop the phone from moving. He said it works. Well, I went one better and put those anti slip mats you see people put on their dashboards. This thing is STICKY, so sticky that I have to pull the phone apart from it to get it off. No way on earth will the phone be able to move with that thing on. And the verdict? Same repeat of connect/disconnect until the phone hilariously loses charge.

So that's it I'm afraid, the Nokia chargers do not work. Honestly I blame Nokia for this, because other Qi-compliant chargers I've heard about supposedly work fine with the N4. So too bad, Nokia, this thing is already all packed up and ready to be returned.

Now to wait for the LG WCP-700..
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Binarybucks:
I'm thinking about getting the LG WCP-700 charger but wondering about the color of it.

Is it a proper black color and all the marketing images of it are just bad or is really that greyish?

Could anyone that has already received one of it post an image of it?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xl DIGITAL lx:
Received mine, but I experienced a lot of connection drops. What I found to make it stop was placing the phone on the charging mat then pressing the on button. One thing I don't like is that it turns off when it's completely charged. Other than that its pretty nice to have wireless charging.

Sent from my Nexus ⁴
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ninjames:
For people that don't want to pull the trigger on a confirmed working device on the off chance that Google releases the orb soon: your worst scenario is having two wireless chargers. The very nature of them (set your phone on them easily) makes it actually a pretty great reason to have multiple ones around your home/office. Hell, I'm going to get another LG one for my desk and maybe even one for my end table next to my couch.

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You have to remember that QI related to a protocol, not a rate at which something charges. Different batteries and receivers will require different rates of power, just like different devices in our home require different power supplies because they have different power draws. It would not make sense for QI to also have, say, a 2100mh baseline (our phone's normal charging rate), because there is such a disparity in what the draw will need to be for devices that could make use of the technology.

However, QI has admitted that there were issues with certifying and being too lax with their process. It should be stated, up front, what the draw/charge etc rates are. That's something that will hopefully be corrected in the future.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shinb:
No way I posted a YouTube video of it working everyone I got works fine
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cramu:
Anyone tried to put a NFC-Tag on the pad?

Will it work correctly?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shinb:
Forgot something tho. If u end up have bad or one not working I know what u can do its kinda dark tho. I got to many so I took it to Kmart and got it returned without receipt they gave me 32 dollar in store credit for it. I know I'm horrible for screwing a billion dollar corp that pay minimal wages. So technical I made 15 bucks cause I brought three:laugh:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 1iam5mith:
61 pages ...i'm not reading through all of that, so sorry if its been asked before, but has anyone tried the N4 with a palm touchstone charger??

also any news about the official charging orb?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmygoska:
I think you should try searching for 2min or reading some of it. Or both. But no, the touchstone charger does not work.

No. There's been nothing.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] twistedh:
How about using the damn SEARCH function. The question has been answered so many frickin times its ridiculous. Lazy mofo :mad:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] runningwarrior08:
You are on the correct track I have a post a page before yours explaining this...

The 2100mAH of our batteries is not it's charge rate though. It is th cpacity and discharge rating.

The charge rate of the Nexus 4 is 1200mA or 1.2Amps at 5 volts. Standard USB is 500mA except 3.0 and SS ports that is why using a USB charger attached to a computer with usb 2.0 you will usually experience a slower charge.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
Is it to much to ask......

Can somebody with the Maxell Air Voltage maybe upload a video? :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] everett_psycho:
Well I caved in, remembered I had a £30 play voucher I needed to use soon so paid the extra £8 and ordered the maxell charger. looking forward to trying this wireless charging, the question is do I use it at home or at work where I'm more likely to take the phone on and off of charge, choices choices
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Higgsy:
Jesus you've had 2 pics!;)

what do you want to see? Could prob knock one out in the morning (a video that is :p)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CharmingCharlie:
Well there is a "sorta" video of it on Maxwells site (it isn't really a video video as more a flash movie of it) :-

http://www.maxellair.eu/air-voltage-home/

At the end of the day for me what matters is that it works. Higgsy did a great job of answering any questions I have so I don't need to see a vid. I would ideally love to buy the Google Orb I like the idea of the phone being slanted but that isn't an option. The only option open to me in the UK is the Maxwell Air Voltage so I am going with it now I know it works.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Higgsy:
Heres a video, anyways only a quick one - there not much else to see lol. :good:

[YOUTUBE]quTjyeQU2Ms[/YOUTUBE]
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CharmingCharlie:
Tut you could've jazzed it up a bit, you know thrown some dramatic fades in there added a 10 minute introduction to what we were going to see (all youtube videos seem to do that for some reason) ;) . I notice you have your Xmas decorations up lol. Anyway thanks for the video, it is great to see it in action and I am chomping at the bit to get mine delivered and I liked that Jelly Bean dream scene (googled on how to activate it).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Higgsy:
I said ta-daaaa at the end, isn't that jazzed up enough? Yeah the Mrs put the xmas decorations up today - 1st Dday of advent and all that:eek:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PaisanNYC:
So not only is your grammar horrible, you are happy and laughing that you committed fraud?

Nice. Very very nice. [/sarcasm]
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dai_griff:
Going to get me this, cheers for the vid....
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AshtonTS:
Where do you even buy it? I can't find a place to actually purchase it...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CharmingCharlie:
If you are in the UK the only company selling them is SmartGear. They have an Ebay store and a Play store at play.com. I don't think it matters which site you buy it from (personal preference) but it is run by the same guy and they have pretty decent feedback. The play.com link is :-

http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...ltage-Wireless-Qi-Charger/ListingDetails.html

and the ebay link is :-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maxell-Ai...ories_MobilePhoneChargers&hash=item4abf0ef238
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AshtonTS:
Damn I didn't realize they're UK only. that kinda sucks :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CharmingCharlie:
If you are in the US you might be able to find a stockist for the Energizer Charging pad (which works fine with the Nexus 4) or there is the LG WCP-700. If you are in Europe you might be able to find a stockist for the Maxwell one. It appears the Maxwell one hasn't been released in the US yet but is doing the rounds in Europe.

I personally never expected to find it so damn hard to get a Qi charger. I kinda expected there to be a long wait for the Google Charging Orb but was content knowing there should be plenty of alternatives but damn they are all pretty hard to get.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sinocelt:
+1 :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mjpado:
People on Amazon reviews are stating that the Duracell powermat does work with the Nexus 4. I ordered one to go with my phone when its delivered. 1-2 more weeks. From my extensive research its stated that it is qi compatible. I got it for a decent price on Amazon, under $30. From what I've read I should be all set. However prices are starting to sky rocket for the different qi chargers. I personally watched the lg charger go up $12 in less than 24 hours on Amazon. That's if you can even order one. I believe there is one retailer left that has it in stock and that storefront price keeps rising. No where online could I purchase the Energizer qi charger. They ALL are selling fast. In fact the lumina charger is going for over $90!!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] booyakasha:
Just posted this on another thread talking about the Powermat, but I ordered the Duracell Powermat M1PB1 from Amazon last week and had to return it because it did not work with my N4. I've read other reviews that state its not Qi.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FallN:
DO NOT BUY THE DURACELL POWERMAT! IT DOES NOT WORK!

Cancel the order or return it if you bought it. Repeat: it does NOT work with the N4.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c_86:
Duh! If ya had done your research you would have known the n4 is qi and the powermat/Duracell are not qi.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FallN:
DUH! WRONG! How about not jumping to half-assed assumptions: Nowhere did I say I purchased it!! I did my research and DO NOT BUY IT.

I was simply warning others NOT to buy it as a few people said they just ordered it or have it on order. Was trying to warn them to cancel their order and get their money back, sheesh! :rolleyes:

Don't jump to half-assed conclusions. It makes you look like a troll with some serious reading comprehension problems. DUH! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c_86:
Nor did I say you bought it. My point was if you didn't do your research and bought one then that's their fault. Nice of you to warn people but in all honesty its their own stupid fault.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmygoska:
I don't know how many times I've told people that the powermat doesn't work.... do people not read or search?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c_86:
Exactly. At this point in time there has been more then enough discussion about it not working. Same thing with touchstone , that if someone wants to not research and go out and buy it hoping it will work then the so be it. They are the idiot a wasting their money.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssskom:
has anyone tried HUG from case mate? There seems to be little info on em as these were made back in 2010...although found some articles online says its Qi-certified...but I doubt it as it was 2 years ago and knowing that Qi certification is not so rigorous now, it could be even less back then.

Saw some on ebay for fairly cheap ($14 shipped!). Anyone wants to be a guinea pig? :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 3Shirts:
My LG wireless charger finally arrived (from the US to the UK) this weekend. It's great, the beep is annoying so I will be nixing that tonight. If it was just a quick beep it'd be ok as it isn't really that loud but it is too long and sounds like some kind of warning beep.

Apart from that, though, it's excellent, picks up the phone easily and seems to charge about as quick as USB (I have no case on the phone).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Armon2:
Just wanted to let people know that "Gear4 PowerPad" does NOT work with N4 despite the claims from manufacturers that it is QI.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wolfboy1984:
Told you. gear4 twitter account is the same as sellers on eBay/amazon writing false reviews to shift their stock mountain.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CharmingCharlie:
Well to be fair the advice should be "Don't buy anything that doesn't have the Qi logo on it ......... and don't buy anything with a Qi logo on it either" :p

Nor would I trust the list from the wireless consortium website since we already know all Nokia charges which are supposedly compatible aren't. If you want to be absolutely sure that the wireless charger will work with your Nexus then you will have to wait till hell freezes over and Google start selling the 10 they got LG to manufacture.

If you can't wait then what ever you buy runs the risk of not working (be it Qi certified or not).
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alstrike:
Does it come with an EU plug as well?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Higgsy:
Mine came with an eu plug, as it had originated from Germany, but I got it from a private seller on ebay . No idea what the ones off ebay/play have.