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[Nexus 4 General] efjbdejong:
Reading all the replies here makes me realise that the average Android user is becoming the average Apple user.

How can you be so closeminded when you want an open source system.

Android for me is all about options. Options which Apple fails in. And we are the people which bash Apple for it.

I have a friend wbich is an Apple user. We always b****h eachother with the features our phones have.

Now I have a new one : "you know, when I want to do some serious music listening or movie watching I can use a cable connected to my phone and attach a usb stick and have instant 32gb extra"

Do you guys even know how stupid that sounds?

This Android fanboy behaviour is getting annoying. Really......Doesnt belong here on the open platform to.

EJ
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
this is not the only android phone available.

you dont like it, you have PLENTY of other options. this is android, not apple.

there are 10s of manufacturers and 100s of phones.

dont compare this to apple where you have one phone per year with hardly any updates

android is an open source system.

the nexus not having an LTE option because of carriers, and not having more than 16gb doesnt make it any less of an open source OS. many phones with those options for you to choose from ;)

its you who is equating nexus with iphone, not the users.
[Nexus 4 General] theoneofgod:
You should really be buying a phone on its functions and not what people think of it.
[Nexus 4 General] eksasol:
Actually people buy phones to confirm their social status and be cool among peers.
[Nexus 4 General] the1dynasty:
I think that more describes how Apple makes it seem... android users have so many options, in a way its a saturated market for Android and nobody really looks twice because they just think its another android phone...

I will say that the recent SGS3 commercials have helped spread the Android buzz... I've had a few people ask me if my phone was a "Galaxy phone." No Android phone has created a buzz that people are looking for like that phone...

With that said, the N4 may have some of the best specs and the latest OS... but I doubt its going to be advertised like the SGS3 and that will be its downfall more than this "space" issue...
[Nexus 4 General] hanbaoquan15:
That applies to Apple users mostly.
[Nexus 4 General] limpopo:
So, you actually believe what companies say to justify gaping holes in their products?

Let me see:

SD cards confuse people. OK.

LTE being a carrier problem. The World is not just the USA you know. Even there, just build in multi-band LTE support (7 bands possible with Qualcomm MDM9615), and wait for the carriers to sort it out.

Anodized aluminium is designed so it chips and that all the paint falls off it.

Try:

SD cards: We really want to limit what you can store on the phone, so you are forced to rely more on Cloud services and your carrier's data plan. Yes, we can pretend we are all for breaking the grip of the carriers on the American (and to a lesser extent non-American) consumers, but actually they quite like the fact that we are forcing people into paying for their data service. Look at how we managed to delay implementing a decent wifi proxy within Android that you could use for anything other than browsing (e.g. for the app market, or for any apps really, especially data-hungry ones). We don't give a **** that streaming data will kill your battery much faster than local storage, or that at many times you will have no cellular reception whatsoever.

LTE: Yuh, well, most customers with LTE are in the US right now, and it is a really broken market there. We could easily cater for the rest of the World, where LTE is being rolled out rapidly on a few standard frequencies, but hey. We'd rather sell you an LTE Nexus next year.

Oh, and remember, we are pricing these units pretty aggressively (not below cost), but the big picture is we need to keep the ecosystem expanding, kill Microsoft, RIM, Nokia etc., and then Apple and ourselves can make a lot more money. To do this effectively, even though we bought Motorola, we do still rely on OEM support, so we have to be careful to build good but niche phones. It would be embarrassing if we completely undermined sales of Samsung Galaxy products, and we don't want to kill the premium handset market.
[Nexus 4 General] gthmcty111:
DROP BOX!!!!!!!!!!
[Nexus 4 General] pachi72:
Carriers throttling and data caps
[Nexus 4 General] funkyblue04:
ACTUALLY no YOU DO NOT, if you want PURE GOOGLE. Do you not get that? Is that so hard to understand?

We want 32gb AND PURE GOOGLE!
[Nexus 4 General] JohnSteveDoe:
OP: Maybe you could use Google Music and Drive. And Dropbox. And Box.

Oh, and the specs? RAM, CPU and screen are all top of the line. There isn't a single phone out there with a more powerful processor, and multiple respectable news outlets have praised the screen as one of the, if not the, best one on a smartphone at the moment.

Funky: If only there were a website where you can go and get help flashing pure Android on (virtually) any Android smartphone that's under the sun, eve those phones with 32 GB storage space. If only.
[Nexus 4 General] josip-k:
I am so laughing when im reading this...haha...so many stupid words...haha...

REMEMBER: Galaxy S phones really are the giants of android.But Nexuses are the TITANS!
[Nexus 4 General] davwman:
You're not alone. There is other storage solutions. The price of 299 with those specs and the screen that in my opinion is better than amoled can't be beat.
[Nexus 4 General] goheels:
I actually have no problem with this phone lacking LTE. Aside from not being in an LTE market (I live in Africa), I think HSPA+ is perfectly fine for about 99.999999% of users out there. You don't need LTE to check your e-mail and browse the web.

My only gripe is the 16GB max storage. What Google/LG should have done is either a) reduce specs somewhere else and offer 16GB for $300 and 32GB for $350, or b) offer a 32GB version for $400. Those both would have been acceptable options, and I can tell you that PLENTY of people (including myself) would have purchased a 32GB version for $400.

All I can hope for is that a few months from now, a 32GB version will replace the 16GB version at the same price (and 16GB will replace the 8GB version). A phone this powerful is MEANT to be used for a wide variety of things, so all of you saying you never use more than 2GB of the phone's storage...maybe you should go buy a Galaxy Y or something similar. A flagship level phone shouldn't be this obviously crippled in the storage department. Period.
[Nexus 4 General] efjbdejong:
I am not equating nexus with the IPhone!!

We as an Android community have always bashed Apple for lacking SD and removable battery. Now Google does it and suddenly we start to defend Google in making this choice.

This I don't understand. I think it is valid to wonder and discuss why these choices are made. And we as a user don't have to agree.

Sure I can buy another phone. But I want a pure Google experience phone. Then the only option is really a Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] funkyblue04:
Pity there is no high specced phone that has no issues and works 100% with CM10. (apart from the Nexus series).

Care to enlighten me?
[Nexus 4 General] efjbdejong:
I fully agree.....
[Nexus 4 General] evil_penguin:
Haha nice post OP it made me laugh ...

Now GTFO!

Go buy iPhone, Noob!

I don't give f**k about LTE !

This thread******* fails again...

♣♦♠ Sent from Galaxy Nexus ♠♦♣
[Nexus 4 General] DarthDerron:
Everyone will have different opinions on whether or not this phone is good or not, but don't judge Google just because the phone does not fit your needs. For most people its an amazing phone at an amazing price point. If you want SD slot and all the other jazz then spend double the amount and buy yourself a Note II or S3. Thread is pointless.
[Nexus 4 General] dorianmayers:
So lemme understand apple lacks something they are n00bs and their followers are isheep. Google does something lacking and the masses praise it and say it is elitist.

Allot of people are saying that the space is just right, "they" can live with the reduced space because at the end of the day they have the option of Google's cloud. So what about those who love in regions without cloud support?

Everyone knows that the os will slash the actual available space to about 13-12 gbs. So what is the point of having a mustang but nowhere to really show it off. Others are saying that they simply have crap on their phone so you don't need that space.

"Get a GS3 or I phone if you want media. " sure I understand where that argument is being made but people want to experience a nexus device. We buy an s3 for $700 showing we are willing to pay for what we want. The s3 has the storage yes but I cannot truly experience what is android because of touchwiz. I can solve this by throwing on an aosp rom but as we know some things are broken(front camera). But on a 16 gb non expandable memory device if storage is my complaint I can't change that with a rom or anything else for that matter.

If Google was to say A 32 gb nexus 4 for $700 I would as well as many others would buy it. At the end of the day people are willing to pay for what they want and I can also understand that others want that amazing price point. However they are selling it @ a loss, which works yes but what if they only sell 2mill in the first 5 months because persons are skittish to sacrifice storage for a complicated os (that is the view of the average consumer). Now before you say that nexus devices aren't for the average consumer or @ least the phone. Then why is Google making it so available, as well as having it with raw os the same on the n7 which they want mainstream as hard as possible. Hence why they bumped up the storage to better compete along with the n10.

But that is my 2 cents. I will stick with my s3 till I see they will bump the size or simply buy a 32gb n7 (I know persons who bought the 16 saying it was just right for them, then after the 32gb announcement wish they had waited)
[Nexus 4 General] crazyfool_1:
Would you really pay another $300 for 16GB more storage? Really?

If Google only sell 2mill most likely those customers they've 'lost' have bought another Android device. If they are selling at a loss then the idea is to get consumers into the Android ecosystem. So unless the people they've 'lost' because this phone doesn't have lte or >16gb storage buy an iPhone, Google 'loses' nothing. If people don't buy the phone Google loses money on because of storage but keep they're current droid that is good for Google.
[Nexus 4 General] crawlgsx:
Agree with most of the others, stop wasting so much phone space.

I have NEVER filled a 16gb phone (or music device for that matter).

Upload your damn music to Google Music/etc..., stream movies, etc...

Having your device full of 16gb worth of music/movies is just a waste IMO.

Now I get some people DO have that need for more storage (there are fair cases), then ok, this phone isn't for you. Get an S3, dur. No phone can accommodate (or should need to) everyone.

Personally for $350 I think 16gb is a hell of a deal, vs $550 for an S3 with 16gb or $700-800 for an iphone with 16gb, etc...:silly:
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
Who say's google wanted to make a superphone? If they wanted to they could but that's not google. The object isn't to get everyone to leave there current phone and get a nexus, its for a specific market group that love stock android and can live with out an sd card. If that's not you then move along.
[Nexus 4 General] dorianmayers:
I guess that is what apple was doing from the start. So why do so much people bash them and then praise this. Xda is full of hypocrites. Not a super phone? It's one of the highest spec'd phones this year. It's just lacking in storage
[Nexus 4 General] goheels:
Because in this day and age, being able to carry my entire music collection with me without either a) encoding songs at a ****ty quality level, b) carrying a second device, or c) having to constantly move files onto and off of the phone (are we still in 2002?) is too much to ask, right? :rolleyes:

And never mind the fact that a number of you continue to be willfully ignorant of the fact that cloud storage is not practical for a LARGE number of people. A phone of the Nexus 4's caliber is seriously crippled by the lack of storage, and I don't think anyone with the ability to look at this issue with even a sense of rationality would think otherwise. It's like building a sports car with a monster engine and then putting small, ****ty-quality tires on it. It doesn't make sense, and I can't fathom why so many people are jumping to Google's defense on this one.

If they couldn't hit the $350 price point with 32GB of storage, then at least give us a $400 version with that much. Or better yet, put a frigging microSD slot on the phone, their horse**** reasons for not putting one in be damned.
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
This thread is still retarded I see.
[Nexus 4 General] EddyOS:
Why, being honest, do you have to carry your entire music collection with you? Remember that the Nexus 4 supports USB OTG so you can actually carry another drive with you if you have to but, ultimately, Google has made their decision and - at this monent in time - they are not going to change it. They

WANT

you to use the cloud - if you can't that doesn't bother them
[Nexus 4 General] funkyblue04:
USB OTG drains battery much quicker. Not an alternative.
[Nexus 4 General] dcacklam:
Google positions Nexus devices as a developer's/experimenter's platform.

By manipulating what the device can do, they can 'drive' development in a certain direction (say, away from internal storage, and towards a cloud-based world)....

Kind of like Microsoft's constant UI tinkering...
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
Then lets complain about storage space some more, I'm sure that will magically make a 32 and 64 Gb model appear.
[Nexus 4 General] Duuuude:
Americans....;)....Google Music is only available in the U.S. And what about when you install a few larger games? Or go on a 2 week vacation with the family and take a bunch of videos? Do we upload our 3GB of family videos to the cloud from our crappy hotel wi-fi?

Seriously. The people in here sound worse the Apple fanboys they criticize. Why defend Google's decision to not give a 32GB option? What is there to defend? One of the best phones in the world and it doesn't go past 16GB? The raging Google defenders in here are embarrassing, to say the least.
[Nexus 4 General] PhillyCheez:
Agreed. Not sure wtf is wrong with a company making a product with a VISION in mind. How I see it... This is the first nexus phone that actually has a clear vision compared to the phones before! It's very obvious that Google put a lot of thought into this product and the future of Nexus. You no likey? You go invest your money into a phone that has relevant specs six months to a year out when its ready to sell! Let's see how easy that would be at this price point...

Jeez some people have such unrealistic expectations and zero patience of tech these days. Probably all you people whining are kids who missed out on tape players and 56k internet speed.

Slow the **** down people. Tech moves fast. I'm personally still waiting for a nexus phone that's 4 inches! Not some gigantic mini tablet in my hand.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
The cloud works at 56k speed. Any USB otg storage gets the battery life of a portable tape player. 32gb is not an unrealistic expectation. I think many people vocalizing their discontent have no problem paying for more storage.

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[Nexus 4 General] dorianmayers:
I have 80 gb of music. 15 on the device
[Nexus 4 General] PhillyCheez:
Wow... You have zero idea what I meant... Guess you are a kid who missed out on those things!
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
I have over 750Gb's of music and studio recordings. I have 4Gb on my phone which is 60 albums. I don't know why anyone with a decent bit of common sense would carry their entire music library around with them on a phone. Get an mp3 player for crying out loud.

Guess what, the Nexus phone only has a 8 MP camera, not a 36.3 like the Nikon D800. Because it's not a SLR camera, either. Get my drift?
[Nexus 4 General] Sean-El:
Werd. I have my iPod for that. I have 120gb of music on there and I don't even listen to 1/3 of it, EVAR!!

I have 32gb on my toroplus but dont ever use all of it. I used 15 gbs last week because I put 9 episodes of real time with bill maher on it, did I need it, no. Could I live with out them, yes. I also have 50gbs of box, 9 of dropbox, 20 on Skydrive and 5gbs on sugarsync and Google drive. I am good.
[Nexus 4 General] EddyOS:
But can you add a 2nd drive via USB with Apple devices? No you can't, you're stuck with whatever size iDevice you bought. I'm guessing this is behind Google's thinking - you have Cloud access or OTG so why bother offering a handset over 16GB. At the price they're offering it's mad to even complain!
[Nexus 4 General] dorianmayers:
Where I live the s3 cost me $1100 (currency) the 32gb ipod touch is $600. A 32 gb memory card is $75

Now you tell me what is the smarter idea?

And I go through 2 hours of bus journey. So I put the music on shuffle and let it go. I don't want that 5 days a week I am listening to 2 hours of the same things.

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It did with the n7.

You are being like an apple fanboy now "your looking @ it wrong its for cloud storage and devs."

Even though google sells it on a consumer level. Not all regions have the cloud either.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Man talk about f***ing failing if there isn't a fix that brings the lower performance back in line with the Optimus G...

Sorry but if that is in hardware then you apologists will really have to rev up your excuse engines. :p
[Nexus 4 General] hummer010:
I'm not sure people are defending googles decision to not have a 32GB phone. People are stating why google has gone that direction (ie. promote cloud etc.)

They aren't going to make any money on the phone sales, so there is no incentive for them to offer every version that people may want. I'm not sure that google really cares how many they sell. The point is the development platform, not the perfect phone. If they make the perfect phone, then they impact the sales of other companies producing android products, and that isn't good for android in the long run, and android is what google cares about.
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
Yeah, I'm sure it was all the complaining on this forum which changed Google's mind, and not a strategy plan they had from the start :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] Zorachus:
Still wish we got an HTC Nexus-Four:

Reading all the reviews today of the LG Nexus 4, and they all make it seem nice, and better than the Galaxy Nexus, but not a mind glowingly awesome and amazing new device, just a good new phone.

Not knocking LG or anything, but based on reviews, I just wish HTC got another crack again, at the Nexus-Four. Imagine the HTC J Butterfly device as the new Nexus instead, with that amazing 108op S-LCD3 screen, and nice build quality from HTC, and cool design factor. Or to keep the price down, HTC could have made a new Nexus based off the One X+ phone, just add 2GB RAM, and release the same One X+ phone, but with stock Android 4.2. The lack of LTE/4G doesn't bother me, but wish there was a 32GB or even 64GB option, Google should at least make those larger sizes in limited quantities, and charge a premium for them, if they sell well, then make more.

The 6 month old One X is still regarded as having the #1 screen technology, better than the iPhone5 and slightly better than the new Nexus 4. And the design of the One X is very sexy and unique, imagine HTC going all out on a new Nexus design.

Oh well, I will still most likely get the LG Nexus 4 this month, I like to support Nexus, having owned all three Nexus phones the past few years, but I am not super crazy excited about the LG Nexus 4. To me it feels like what Apple did with the iPhone4 to 4S.
[Nexus 4 General] brooon:
To each his own opinion But I will ignore HTC for some years now, as I had SO many problems with HTC devices after the glorious HD2 (e.g. the One S, just take a look into the forum; the One X had some laggy stuff as well at the beginning), the support was SO bad and I was SO angry regarding the bad flashing options I got (because of the strict bootloader stuff).

I loved the HD2, but it is not by accident that HTC is "in the red" for some time now!

And I think that the new Nexus really is a great step forward, the distance to other devices is bigger than it was at the release of the old nexus devices in the past. The Nexus will never be the absolutely best someone can get (else the manufacturer will whack google^^)
[Nexus 4 General] Deggy:
This is gonna my first nexus phone device. I'm so tired of not being on official and latest version of android. LTE and lack of storage be damned. Yes, I do root and flash custom ROMs for the latest android OS.
[Nexus 4 General] efjbdejong:
Right !!!!
[Nexus 4 General] dorianmayers:
Smart a**

Thank ypu for taking me out of context. Saging 8gb sales vs 16gb selling out? Google saw the demand for it

I just pray they do it with the n4. It obviously did not happen with the galaxy nexus

But here is me hoping.
[Nexus 4 General] rskyline:
You can then expend some extra bucks on a galaxy s3 :D, seriously, i like mi microSD, but with this phone i make it easy to stay only with 16GB, because IS THE PHONE!
[Nexus 4 General] LiViD:
It's a shame that there is a lack of dev support for the Exynos SoC's, seeing that that the 5250 (A15) is beating the S4 in the benchmark department. Read up on the Nexus 10 reviews that just recently came out. I still don't think LG did a good job on the hardware side of things.
[Nexus 4 General] crawlgsx:
hah! Teuche, forgot Google Music is U.S. only, BUT you can't tell me you don't have a SINGLE music/video cloud service available to you?

and let's be honest, what % of families go on vacation without a SINGLE laptop with them? I bet its a pretty small number. That means you can take video for a day, dump to laptop, etc... Just like many people do with their camera's anyway. Then you crop/edit/uplaod etc when you get home.

Obviously it doesn't work for EVERYONE, but It does cover the masses.

Personally I just find it ridiculous that so many people act like 32gb is the minimum storage for a damn phone now. Are there users that truly do require it? Sure, they will have to use a different phone. But the % of users that TRULY REQUIRE 32gb+ is a VERY small % and the Nexus isn't meant to cover every single user possible, it is just ONE device.
[Nexus 4 General] Theshawty:
This thread took thank-whoring to a whole new level.
[Nexus 4 General] bendirkss:
You think Google cares about all your movies and ROMs? Get rid of that rubbish. Google made a phone, not a DVD player, a tablet, an iPod, a business all in a "small" device.

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Shouldn't be an issue with 16GB of storage ..
[Nexus 4 General] slaphead20:
I knew I would find you here whoring your thanks meter :p:D. Gotcha!
[Nexus 4 General] Theshawty:
I see you made it past year 2500! How are you enjoying the 27th century?
[Nexus 4 General] slaphead20:
Damn....you trolled me back! I'm going back to general/general to sulk :p:D
[Nexus 4 General] dorianmayers:
So its a business device with an hd screen a quad core 2gb of ram?

So its supposed to be like "look how fast i can make a call/send a text, type out a 200 word proposal"
[Nexus 4 General] Theshawty:
I best do that as well! This place is giving me the creeps.
[Nexus 4 General] imeem:
16 GB is 100% enough for me. IF it actually lets me use all 16 GB. not like 8-10 GB of usable space.