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[Nexus 4 General] dbgeek:
Given the trends in the market overall (i.e., no high end device comes with 8GB storage an no expansion options), I'd wager that there wasn't as much market research applied to this offering as you imply. Said differently, if the market still supported a high end 8GB device, Apple, the best marketer in the industry, would still be offering them (and I'm far from being an Apple fanboy).

EDIT: I neglected to respond to the 2nd part.

That part of my response was to address the flawed counter example to my point. That said... Do you really believe that 4 mil of the 8 GB will sell vs 400K of the 16? I can guarantee that if either out sells the other by that kind of ratio, the 16 will outsell the 8. If we're going to argue those hypotheticals, let's pick one that might actually happen. The 16 out sells the 8 by 20X. Do you think Google might consider a 32, with the additional info that 1,000's of people voice their opinion that 16 wasn't sufficient?
[Nexus 4 General] PhillyCheez:
You didn't get ****ed... You bought a phone knowingly your updates will one day stop. The blame is on your carrier and manufacturer.
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
And this is the main reason Google is done dealing with carrier specific versions of Nexus phones. I cant tell you how many people blame Google when they dont get updates or the update breaks something....even VZW GN users. A clean phone free of carrier nonsense is the only option for me now and going forward.
[Nexus 4 General] newbieandroid:
I don't recall the Galaxy Nexus on the play store having LTE radios. Am I missing something here? You had to buy a CDMA Verizon or Sprint Galaxy Nexus to get LTE and I'm sure they will release a Sprint/Verizon version with 32GB of storage just like they did with the Galaxy Nexus. This is a perfect upgrade over the HTC One S which is pretty similar with no removable battery and 16GB of space.

Stop complaining your getting the fastest consumer quad core mobile SoC with a better GPU and a true HD display for only $350(before tax). Also the Snapdragon S4 is power efficient I was expecting my HTC One S to die in 8 hours because it has an AMOLED screen + HTC Sense and 1650mAh battery but yet I'm getting around 1 day+ of use with 3 hour screen time. Your getting a pure Google experience which will save battery along with fastest updates.
[Nexus 4 General] XsynthZ:
I hope that the lack of a Verizon and Sprint version of this phone will pressure them to allow Google to have more control over updates. Of course, this will only happen if the Nexus 4 sells boatloads. That way, Verizon/Sprint will be able to see all the profits they are missing out on.
[Nexus 4 General] Nitin985:
Usb org will do
[Nexus 4 General] PhillyCheez:
The majority of complaints with android is 90% the carrier and manufacturer and hardly ever the android OS itself.

After the devs from the carriers and manufactures do their "thing" to android its way out of the hands of Google.

I am just happy they purchased Motorola.... Should be an interesting next few years to see how they integrate themselves vertically.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
And now people are telling me to do it again instead of asking for the option to overpay Google for what I want.
[Nexus 4 General] PhillyCheez:
Then buy an iPhone. Then you don't have to deal with choosing a phone ever again.
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
to be honest, the only "must have" feature I need after using the gnex is PGM, so hopefully that app will be available on the Nexus 4,
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
So all the Android options are fail, go with Iphone is the final answer? Going into 2013 and the most you can get is 16GB in an Android that will get updates, so the answer is get the Iphone instead of Google charging me $50 for $15 flash upgrade. That's just dumb on Google's part.
[Nexus 4 General] crawler9:
People keep saying stuff about the included storage space. I will agree that 16GB is more than enough for the average user...but is XDA really a place for the average user? A lot of the people who come to XDA come because they aren't the average user. They want more from their device; more battery life, more power, more stability, more reliability.

I have a hard time understanding why a community of people who has always pushed for more can be satisfied with less. Less options, less flexibility, less storage, less future-proofing.

I know I came to XDA back when I got my Nexus One because I was looking for a way to increase the space available for installing apps. With every device I've had since, internal storage has proven to be a big issue. I personally have a large music collection. Even after converting it from FLAC to high quality (250-280kbps VBR) MP3 before transferring it to my device, my music collection alone takes up a large portion of my store- 28.16GB to be exact. This is part of why I purchased a 64GB micro-SD card for my myTouch4G and a 64GB full-size SD card for my Toshiba Thrive.

Now, I recognize the most common arguments against having such a large collection of music with me at all times.

1) You don't listen to all your music frequently.

My answer to this is simple... I don't listen to all my music frequently. In fact, I listen to very very little of it frequently. I leave my phone on shuffle a vast majority of the time. I don't want to listen to the same tracks day in and day out; I'd rather be surprised!

2) Use Google Music and you can store all (up to 20,000 songs) of your music online and have it available anywhere you go.

Or use another cloud storage option. That sounds like a good option. Except for the battery drain associated with being online all the time. And the huge tax on my monthly data allotment (or the need to be near a WiFi hotspot).

3)Stop whining, it's a great device.

I don't think this could/should be considered whining. I'd like to see Google implement 64GB+ into their Nexus devices, or leave the option of using a micro-SD card. Other than this, I don't see it as a bad device at all.

I might still consider getting it. My myTouch4G has lost its appeal as time has progressed and the average device has become more and more powerful. The Nexus 4 has an excellent processor and decent (to great) specs all the way around. It's the device that might finally be worth upgrading to, and at a great price too! There's no argument by me that this device is not great. It could just be better.

There's no reason to be satisfied with great. Push for better. Push for excellence. Push for the device that is truly legen...wait for it...

Dary!
[Nexus 4 General] arknailed7754:
I think they did well...spec wise and selling at a reasonable. Your right though its not a giant leap but it'll hold the title when released. Plus the plus point Google gave lg a foothold something theve not really had..same as Motorola.its not the actual phones either its the crap they bundle on top of android if Samsung phones had what moto run I wouldnt of had any Samsung.

The music thing I've never understood with people.one sure fire way to drain the hell out of your battery. I use my iPod..video I might add...its dedicated and I don't or cant need to make an emergency call on it because I was listening to music.

Finally what makes a nexus..pure android that alone sells it
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
Nope. Music playback on any device that's Y2K-compliant should get ~30 hours of music playback (80 on my Xperia P, with its miniscule 1305mAh battery), especially since most of it is done without the screen on.
[Nexus 4 General] Ajfink:
Users are much more likely to load a bunch of movies onto a tablet than a phone. Also, I do think a 32GB Nexus 4 will appear in a few months.
[Nexus 4 General] :
Its just a matter of having a choice between huge HDD or small. I just want to be able to make the choice for myself but google made the choice for to choose between small hard drive and tiny hard drive.
[Nexus 4 General] Stereo8:
Phones have flash memory, not hard drives. -.-
[Nexus 4 General] theoneofgod:
It was exactly the same on the Nexus 7 threads a week or 2 before it was released.

People wanting more storage or a micro sd slot, and others happy with 16GB or even 8GB. And it will continue to be this way, because there is no reason for Google to include a 32GB and a 64GB version. They will still sell enough. Remember Google doesn't get rich selling Nexus phones, it gets rich from people using Google and Android. That's all they care for.

Discussing 16GB isn't enough or it is, is pointless. It won't change anything.
[Nexus 4 General] cognus:
there are a LOT of storage phones on EBAY - at all price points.

plenty of Sam GS4G's, S2's, et al - plenty of LG's that DO have sd slots.

skydrive works.

dropbox works

G-drive works - with a backdoor to the CIA, DIA, DARPA, FBI, HSA, and TSA.... you can always get your files back - just ask all those folks that trusted Megaupload...:D
[Nexus 4 General] removesstains:
I can totally relate to the OP on the storage size problem. I am one of those audiophiles, some may even call me a audio snob and thats totally fine. But i love to be able to listen to all the detail i can get out of my music so i prefer flac audio. The Gnex made me rearrange my entire music collection and i ended up getting rdio which is actually pretty good for streaming. However they dont carry everything, my beatles collection alone is over 4gb's, therefore i now have to keep alot of my music on external storage and play it over otg. causing my battery to die out fast and my Gnex gets crazy hot too.

I think its really bizarre that people think its crazy that other users need more storage. It must be nice to not need all that space. I also think cloud storage is stupid for a number of reasons. I travel alot as well and when i'm on a flight i enjoy using my phone to watch videos and listen to music that i stored on it. I could take my tablet with me, but it defeats the purpose of having a one for all device. Plus the DAC on my Nexus 7 i dont feel is as good as the DAC in the Gnex.

Having said all that i can live w the 16gb but after finding out about the non removable battery and seeing how they released a 32gb nexus 7 a few months after its initial release is bringing me back to reality and i think i'll wait until the end of January b4 i decide to upgrade from my Gnex.
[Nexus 4 General] Plexicle:
Honestly, it doesn't sound like any phone would be good for you. You say you need this crazy quality music and that your "Beatles collections is over 4GB alone," perhaps you just need to get an iPod? Wouldn't that be better than an OTG drive anyway?
[Nexus 4 General] mokokawi:
Using the "nexus" name.....with no lte......utter crap

Yes its cheap....and would be good for a second low class line of google phones.....with a different name to suit it

That's my opinion.....what's yours
[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
I'm not sure where the blind google defence for a device over 16gb comes from, but I am with you. Hopefully Google is more reasonable then the people posting that there is no need for 32gb. Funny thing is, they (the phone content nazis of this thread) say they can understand it for a tablet, but I can do fine with 16gb on a tab, but my phone needs more. I do more with my phone and is always with me.
[Nexus 4 General] tehdef:
Can't make a world phone when not all carriers use same LTE bands. Until you know the details, kindly shut the he'll up. This phone has the best internals on the market, and and even has 42mbps HSPA+ which rivals and beats Verizon LTE.

Now to the OP. Go away. You didn't even praise the phone decently, and not once.

Decent processor.... Decent? Are you kidding? It's the best processor on the market. Decent RAM.. What? 2gb Is a copious amount of RAM. Good screen. More like One X rivaling screen, and which is touted as the best 720p display out. Seriously dude. Get a grip. Removable storage is mitigated by the cloud. Don't blame Google because your carrier sucks **** and has bandwidth caps. Don't force LG and Google To build around carrier restrictions.

So dumb.
[Nexus 4 General] paniro187:
getting rid of my gs3 for this phone. finally a phone that won't be waiting for updates and stupid crap like that. i don't need lte as i'm not a ppower internet user i browse message boards and stuff not much else. thisd thing will be great as i'm looking forward to nice data speeds even on no lte. most people complaining about no lte don't even need the lte speeds they are crying so damn hard about.

long as i'm getting official support i'm good. and i love that this thing has such a nice screen. :) can't wait. bye gs3 hello nexus 4

and the price is just so freaking nice. i'm going to love not having to sign my life away for 2 years everytime i want a good top tier phone.

as for storage 16 gigs is plenty for me.......i put a couple episodes of the wlaking dead and breaking bad on my phone at a time and erase them when i don't need them. for games i'll use my nexus 7 and a game pad. i'm good.
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
winner ^

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[Nexus 4 General] limpopo:
Qualcomm can support 7 LTE bands with MDM9615 and WTR-1605. So, not every frequency in the World but, to quote Anandtech:

" With WTR1605 that changes to both a different RF lithography (28nm) and also adds two more ports, 3 below 1 GHz, 3 above 1 GHz, and 1 very high frequency port around 2.5 or 2.6 GHz. To support 2.6 GHz LTE this would no doubt need to be included, and I suspect the phones we’re seeing advertising 2.6 GHz LTE support today include transceiver."

You can cover much of the globe with that, and if you leave out a couple of marginal bands people can work around that, e.g. switch carriers.
[Nexus 4 General] efjbdejong:
I would agree with the op.

Where does the consensus comes from that we dont need more than 16gb???

Install 3 gameloft games and already 4gb is used. I use my phone for watching movies on holidays. Average 720p movie of two hours is 3gb. So for 2 movies total of 10gb is used.

Music around 4gb. That leaves 2gb for app data, pictures and videos shot with your phone. The nexus 4 shoots 1080p videos which is about 180mb/min. Average image bout 3 to 5 mb.

Seems to me atleast for my needs 16gb doesnt cut it. And cloud storrage for your music and videos? Really ??? Try using that on your holiday. Besides here in Holland the prices for flatfree contracts are screamingly expensive.

As stated earlier here Apple has been taking a beating heavily by android fans for not having a sd slot.

No sd slot is keeping me from buying a nexus. I really would want an official Google phone, but unless they give us sd slot this is not going to happen.

The statement of google that an sd slot would be confusing really boggles me. Really? Cameras have it standard. No confusion there. Most android users who will need a sd-slot are tweakers. What is google thinking? We cant put a card in a phone?

This to me is an Apple pov which I dont subscribe.

EJ
[Nexus 4 General] Chesminty:
I don't really see the point of copying movies to the phone in order to do this. Why not just stream them from a shared folder over WiFi?

Most people who have modern TVs (such as those with HDMI input) will also have WiFi
[Nexus 4 General] Duuuude:
lol, Get a grip? You should take your own advice. You are getting a little worked up over this. ;)

Everything is awesome about this phone, except for not offering a 32GB option. That would be in the category of "So dumb". Also, I didn't realize cloud services could store apps on our phone? Why didn't someone tell me this before? It would be great to store The Dark Knight Rises' 1.8GB in the cloud. NBA Jam as well.

No need to be a raging fanboy, defending like it's your religion. You sound like the iFans I troll on Gizmodo. :laugh:

All that said, I am buying a 16GB Nexus 4 to replace my S2 (i9100) that has 16GB+32GB MicroSD and I am trying to see how much stuff I can get rid of to squeeze down my storaqe "needs". A 32GB option would have made for a much easier transition. :)

What about when travelling with your family and wanting to play them on the TV in your hotel/timeshare? I will probably use the USB OTG and a stick to do this, if it works. Still not the most convenient option.
[Nexus 4 General] Chesminty:
Most hotels have WiFi these days don't they? The places I stay usually do, even the smaller ones that still have CRT televisions generally have WiFi.

A USB OTG and flash drive or a MicroUSB flash drive would work as well but still involves copying files over.

I agree that the extra space might be useful in this scenario but it seems like a rather limited use case, not one I'd want to pay an extra $50-75 for a MicroSD slot for.
[Nexus 4 General] Venekor:
LTE sucks here in the UK so it doesn't matter for this country, only get signal in 11 cities and coverage in those cities probably ain't that great as it's just launched. Also the data cap is like 500mb for £40 a month or something dumb and it does up to like £56 for 8gb. I'd rather have unlimited data on Three with great coverage for £35 a month. Not only that but the test speeds of LTE were like 3MBps which isn't impressive, this phone can hit speeds of like 4-5MBps in theory so it is a good as current LTE. I mean my Three 3G on my GS2 I can stream everything I want nicely with no problems.

I just cannot get excited for LTE, it'll be at least two years before it is worthwhile in the UK.

Besides the phone is only £230-280, you could probably sell your current one for half that at least and then get a 4G phone later on if you're desperate for it, hardly a big investment.

They do need to launch with a 32GB model though for like £300.
[Nexus 4 General] danielsf:
Yeah, I am going to stick with my quad core s3 for the moment, but I am keeping £300 in the bank for the second google release a 32gb nexus 4 I will buy it. I seriously hope they do 32gb for £300 too and soon, I like my s3 but it's screen is pretty bad in sun light (understatement)
[Nexus 4 General] KentuckyHouse:
You asked for opinions, so here's mine...

I don't give a flying @#%& about LTE. I live in central Kentucky (in Lexington, not out in the sticks) and I'm with AT&T and we don't have and won't have LTE anytime soon. In fact, the closest LTE to me the last time I checked is in either Indianapolis or, recently, Knoxville. In fact, I've got the S3 and I've never even USED LTE. I'm one of those people that doesn't know what I'm missing.

For me and what I use my phones for, HSPA+ is more than adequate. I understand those of you that have had LTE and why you're frustrated. If I'd had it and used it, I'm sure I wouldn't want to go "backwards" either. But you all that are griping nonstop about the lack of LTE have to realize that, at least on AT&T, it's just not matured enough for us to care.
[Nexus 4 General] Krooked22:
I fail to see what people are *****ing and complaining about
[Nexus 4 General] Deggy:
Speak with your wallets people. Don't buy if this phone doesn't fit your lifestyle. If this phone doesn't sell well, they have no choice but to adjust or adapt.
[Nexus 4 General] fortesquieu:
I agreed with you BUT the price is $299 off contract, NOT $649 like iphone.

Let me do the math, with $350 more, apple should include way more features than this phone does.
[Nexus 4 General] mailboy1412:
Am I the only one buying the 8GB version? I only store about 3GB data max in internal of my GNexus so 8GB seems fine for me.
[Nexus 4 General] kyokeun1234:
If you don't like it, fine, but it's really a nice phone since the price is only 350 (for 16 gig).

LTE: I could care less since I don't have LTE on my area. Also processor speed is more important to me than dual core

16 gig Max: What do you put on your phone, 20 movies? I personally have 3 nandroid backup and a whole titanium app backups on my 16 gig gnex and I still have 5 gig left..

Simply said, it IS a nice phone and there's no deny in that. I can see that you're using GS3 and I bet you love it. So just use that and please don't bash on other phones. Thank you
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
Why are people still complaining about LTE? Google CLEARLY states why its not gonna do it. If you don't like it move along. I'm pretty sure Google considered every possible way to make it work. Blame the crappy carrier you are on and the closed source technology they provide, NOT Google.
[Nexus 4 General] urmothersluvr:
I'm definitely getting this fail that Google made. This sexy, cheap, powerful and always up to date fail.

I read about 5-7 pages of all the winning and crying about no lte and nothing bigger then 16gb. Like people said if you Dont like it then Dont get it. I'm on T-Mobile so hspa+ 42 is perfect for me and I only use 7gb out of my 16gb SD card. That's with a few nads, ROMs, couple gapps, lots of music, some apps, pics and one or 2 videos I took with my phone. 16gb is more then enough for an average user because I'm more then a average and I have plenty of space left
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
some people should care about LTE though. in some places HSPA+ is pretty horrible. theoretically it is very fast, so fast that LTE doesn't seem like a necessity. if you are hesitated to buy the Nexus 4 and you are not sure about signal strength for HSPA+ then i suggest you try it out on a friends phone and see if it's good enough. sometimes a carrier's network is better than the other so you need to keep that in mind. sometimes an LTE network doesn't do as good as a GSM. that's what i understood from the tons of reading i have made for this particular subject. i'am just thankful that i don't have LTE where i live and HSPA+ is plenty fast for me.

as for storage, it's very understandable why 16 gigs would be a dealbreaker for some although i honestly don't understand the point of storing hundreds of hours of music and tons of games some of which you rarely come across. it's a phone with a freaking limited battery. logically, you can't efficiently take advantage of all those contents.
[Nexus 4 General] haydonxda:
I'm in - with reservations. I completely understand the lack of LTE. To the folks saying Apple has it in the iPhone they're just wrong. The three iPhone models do not magically cover all of the LTE bands out there. LTE is a worldwide manufacturer nightmare with so many different frequencies requiring support.

I wish they'd spend a few more dollars (I'd pay, really) to fix audio and speaker performance, increase build quality a bit and either offer a high capacity model or expandable memory. The build quality is conjecture but it can always be improved right? :)

For $350 it's great. But for $400 it could be kick ass.
[Nexus 4 General] gillyske:
People are constantly stating they do not understand why people need more than 16gb of memory on their phones, they can't fathom using that much.

Here's how I use 20gb of storage on my phone, I use it as my mp3 player, and rightly so, because that's what smart phones are designed for, to combine multiple items into one.

I am a little bit of a music buff (but not as great as those who fill up their ipod classics), and I like to keep whole albums on my phone, I do actually listen to all the music that is on my phone and cannot think of a way to have less music on there. Cloud is not a valid option in Australia, my 1.5gb data will get burned fast. With my commutes ranging from half and hour to 2 hours, I do feel I need the space to store a diverse selection of music to listen to.

Not to mention most new games will be around 400mb each these days, it will be damn hard to cram music + apps onto 16gb.

Why am I dissapointed?

Because I wanted the latest google device, we all know the nexus devices will run better than the others. Also the specs are just awesome for the price, and with that being said, its so cheap I would not at all mind paying an extra $50 for another 16gb of storage, even if it isn't expandable because I currently have 16gb (card) + 16gb (phone).