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[Nexus 4 General] katamari201:
Google and LG most likely make NO money from selling the Nexus 4 at the $299 pricepoint. The Nexus 4 is identical to the Optimus G, which is suppose to be LG's cash cow. Same proc, same screen. Tbe build actually looks nicer on the Nexus 4. The camera is a wash since the 13MP one sucks and the 8MP is identical on both. So literally the only difference is whether you want LTE or not. Is LTE (and a subjectively much uglier design) worth $200+ price premium for the Optimus G? The Nexus 4 also has pure Android which is also a big plus, So why is LG releasing the (much better) Nexus 4 at a no-profit price and undercutting their cash cow the Optimus G? They are barely making squat right now in the mobile phone space. This makes no business sense.
[Nexus 4 General] florelui001p:
I'm pretty sure LG just builds the phone and gets paid for it, Google probably will sell it close to what they paid to get it built. So LG isn't losing money, Google is just breaking even or maybe barely losing.
[Nexus 4 General] Xelstyle:
Improving their brand image while simultaneously getting their brand name out there?

While not entirely the same, you could argue that with the Galaxy Nexus, it was fighting with the S2 and a little bit of the S3.

Yet Samsung managed to really make their push during that time period. People have tons of horror stories when it comes to LG. If they play their cards right with these devices, they'll have a much brighter future.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 General] Zalcorus:
The Xiaomi Mi2 will also be selling at a loss ($310 vs a cost of $370), and has pretty much identical specs as the Nexus 4. I think they can manage to break even overall, especially with most sales going to the 16 GB version.
[Nexus 4 General] ravb90:
X2

Google pays for it, and then they sell it to us with expensive taxes via Google Play :B
[Nexus 4 General] datwunkid:
I'm assuming LG developed the phone for a flat contract price to Google.

Google is likely making little to nothing on selling the price.

They are likely straight up buying marketshare for android and enticing people to buy into their ecosystem while they make money off apps, movies, tv shows, music, and ads.
[Nexus 4 General] ap3604:
They sure are! :D

I will mostly likely be dropping the iPhone ecosystem for Android because of the Nexus 4 come November 13th. Eventually I will also convince others who rely on my smartphone knowledge on what to buy to get the Nexus 4. So it has done its job even if Google isn't making a profit off of the hardware. They will eventually make profit off of me from the Google Play content I (and many others I convince) purchase.

Excellent post datwunkid :good:
[Nexus 4 General] qreffie:
I think Google is taking the hit and selling it close to cost. You also have to factor in that the retail cost of some phones have carrier markup added in as well so that they can make some extra $$$ off people buying off contract. They're probably selling it close to cost and the Nexus line isn't really a big seller to begin with so nobody's really losing a boatload of money here. LG gets to have their name attached to what is looking to be an incredible Android phone (and DEAD SEXY!!!) which will get them back into the good graces of some of the Android fans out there. Also remember Google is an ad company - selling phones for profit isn't where they're making the lion's share of their money and while I'm sure they care somewhat about how well this device does, it'll barely have any effect on their bottom line.
[Nexus 4 General] giant22000:
Let's not kid ourselves. Google is definitely making money here. I know in the retail market, mark-up is routinely 1000%. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper. Anybody that's had any experience in buying mass quantities knows that Google is making money.

When you see service providers selling phones out of contract for $600-$800, your seeing first hand the companies rape/screw the general public like they do best. Even when you buy a phone for a subsidized price from one of the big four, do you really think that are not still making money off the sale of the unit? Don't kid yourself...
[Nexus 4 General] Borteeo:
You ever look at any tear downs of phones? The parts on this phone are probably worth two hundred or so dollars, plus assembly, warranty claims, marketing. There will be a thin margin, but it will be there. I don't think many carriers will pick up the phone, so it will only really appeal to people who avoid contracts, anyway.
[Nexus 4 General] kBTWOFOUR:
It makes sense for LG to do it at little to no profit because releasing the phone would help their market and image in the long run if the phone is a success. Google is baking on the consumers to buy apps, books, music, and magazines from their store.
[Nexus 4 General] ap3604:
Have you been drinking tonight by any chance? Your post has me curious :p;):laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] giant22000:
Think of it this way. When it comes to building a pc, you can't build one as cheap as you can buy one from one of the big boys. Plain and simple, they buy parts by the 1000's. These parts are heavily discounted at a contracted, negotiated price when bought this way.

I can assure that NO company is going to put forth the effort for a small profit margin. That's just how the corporate world works. If it doesn't make good/excellent profits, it's simply not worth the time or effort.
[Nexus 4 General] dc959:
y would you complain about something like this though. the price is a good thing :good:
[Nexus 4 General] giant22000:
No complaining here! I'm totally stoked about it's price point. Best bang for the buck bar-none in my book! Can't wait to order...
[Nexus 4 General] eksasol:
Still I disagree about $50, there are actual documented break down of iPhone 4S hardware cost, is around $180, though the 5 is cheaper. Give the chinese slaves a break.

Sent from my R800x
[Nexus 4 General] big_b0sss:
Well here is the news Google partnered with lg because of the price as they are the only one who agreed to make phone at this price level. Its also get back lg to the market, despite their products are cool but their developers are sucks, lazy people wouldnt work on old devices to bring latest os so people like me promised won't buy lg product ever again, other company like Sony and Samsung refused Google to make smartphone with this spec for this price. But who cares about the partner as long as Google controls the os. I'm getting this as soon as it goes live for sale.
[Nexus 4 General] hikarugo:
Maybe Samsung doesn't want to create any more nexus phone just because of this. Their Galaxy S line and Note line will be ruined.

The same thing happens with the nexus 10, which is cheaper and FAR more specwise than note 10.1
[Nexus 4 General] lbrfabio:
The iPhone 5 costs about 200$ (16gb I think). I don't think the Nexus will cost much more. So, Google will get money out of this

Google was earning money even with the 16gb a 249$
[Nexus 4 General] GR36:
I you think it costs them that money to make a phone you are mistaken.

I have seen retail buy in prices for handsets in bulk, and those would raise your eye brows!

so manufacturing prices would be much less.
[Nexus 4 General] happydolphin:
You do realize the prices of phones are greatly inflated; the S3 only costs around $80 to manufacture.
[Nexus 4 General] ngc604:
I think that is under rated. That might be the cost of the phone. but then you factor in packaging, shipping to the USA, advertising and training techs on different devices. It is all factored in. I heard the iphone 5 costs around $225 total. They all have to make up money lost in other ways. Without making money off sells then they wouldn't be able to invest money into newer tech.

Unrelated to above:

I dont think google is worried about making money off their devices. They made nothing on the Nexus 7. And nothing/very little made on the N4 and N10. I agree with others they are looking to make money off the play store and ads.
[Nexus 4 General] Zurginator:
Don't forget to add in R&D: That's where the bulk of expenses come in to play, and it's impossible to estimate. Designers and engineers aren't cheap.
[Nexus 4 General] DroidDavi:
If they wanted to make money the nexus line would be a bad way to do it. The amount of phones you have to sale to turn a profit is a lot . Google wants you to buy apps and use there services. That along with ads is googles money flow.
[Nexus 4 General] CJHolderUK:
Can I just point out, according to Hugo from the android team, LG came to them. So if LG was afraid of losing money they wouldn't have put them self forward to be apart of the Nexus Programme. In fact I'm sure they make some money. It costs $110 to make an iPhone, so this wont be far off.

---------- Post added at 10:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:53 PM ----------

Okay a little more than I expected but here's a graph.

If they make it at the cost of the iPhone 4s they till make a profit.
[Nexus 4 General] bfspider:
I'm sure they make some profit off the device.

One thing you got to consider is the ad revenue they get for selling ad space on your google searches, youtube views, apps, etc etc etc..

It may cost $100 and some to _make_ a phone. But, you're forgetting cost for RnD, paying people to build the phone, along with many other things.
[Nexus 4 General] jader13254:
50$ :eek: only processor is already 30$
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
thats pretty much exactly it.

theyre basically selling it at cost, theyll for sure at least break even..no company would PLAN on taking a loss, regardless of how much they make elsewhere

theyre probably making like a dollar a phone, vs the optimus g which LG is making like 150-200 per device
[Nexus 4 General] Anon87:
You can't really factor the cost to manufacture by single units. When you look at a product that sells in the tens of millions, you should think more like economy of scale.

Definition of economy of scale: Reduction in cost per unit resulting from increased production, realized through operational efficiencies.

The R&D (massive cost) + legal & marketing are what your paying for in reality.
[Nexus 4 General] qreffie:
BOTH parties are making money on the phone. Most of the parts are being manufactured in house from LG themselves with the exception of the processor and maybe a couple other things. Estimating $50 for the total cost of the phone is extremely low and does not account for any of the R&D that went into creating/selecting the parts that are in the phone. Yes the screen may cost only $15.00 but the first one cost $200,000.00 for them to finish up the R&D work. You can add up all the pricing for every component or play purchasing manager all you want but no tear down or guestimation from looking at the components will ever give you the correct answer. The more phones that are ordered by the retail seller, the lower the actual cost of the phone. This phone isn't going to be a big seller so the cost per device including R&D is likely higher than usual. Rest assured that LG made money off whatever Google paid them for the devices though - likely not as much as they could have made selling to an actuall mobile carrier but they have a chance here to try to win a few diehard Android consumers. That's probably worth losing a few dollars on a phone that wasn't going to make all that much money anyway.

Google being the retail seller is likely making a bit of money here too considering they are a partner in the production of the device and will be buying from their partner LG directly there's no middle man marking up the device any more. However they are cutting the margin that most retailers would charge for this device. The LG Optimus G retails for over $500. Google is likely missing out on a whole extra $100 - $200 they could be passing along to you.

Also about that comment about carriers not losing any money on the price of the phone by subsidizing it. Carriers do indeed lose money when they subsidize the phone. That's how early termination fees were born - to recoup some of the money they lost in the sale. In order to make the phones compatible with their networks carriers often invest in the R&D for the device being produced otherwise it gets quite expensive to try and make a phone compatible with more and more radios (which is why there is no LTE on the Nexus 4 as it would have cost them too much to produce it with the extra required radios). Now they do make their share back rather quickly through monthly charges, but don't think anyone except the OEM is making money off the initial purchase of a $500 phone being sold for $200.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Manufacturing things like displays and processors have a significant fixed cost even after production is going full steam. Also for parts you aren't making yourself (like the Qualcomm SoC and radio parts), you will get discounts with large volume but the supplier is not going to give you all of their profits. LG may have in-house breaks on the display and battery, but most of the rest of it they are paying Qualcomm, Sony, etc.

Besides you have no idea where they are getting that information or what assumptions of volume are built in to that pricing, but research firms like iSuppli are going to have that type of info (rather than empty platitudes about economies of scale) and they say the iphone costs in the ball park of $200 by the time it is done. The iphone is a product that moves much more volume that anything LG is putting out, much more than the Optimus G and Nexus 4 combined.

LG may has been smart to make the Optimus and Nexus from mostly the same parts and thus likely negotiated a better deal from companies like Qualcomm (who is getting a significant chunk of cash from all of these phones) but they are still not going to have the leverage that Apple has. I would guess between that, the in-house LG stuff and other factors (no LTE and less stringent manufacturing) it costs about the same as what isuppli say the iphone 5 costs, about $200. That is before marketing, distribution, development etc that would suck up an indeterminate, and quite volume dependent, amount.
[Nexus 4 General] xeoreg:
Sony ps3's are sold at a loss. They make money from game licenses from developers.

Google is probably doing the same.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nifelvind:
Hello, I know it has been posted here million times but I would not like to brick my phone.

I just got my Moto Atrix before 5 months. Quite like the phone but I heard you need to root and unlock the device to experience a great and fast smarthphone so I did. I was using CM7 all the time.

I unlocked my bootloader / root using this thread. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1302423

Everything works great but my Wi-fi is starting to weird out and it does not want to work correctly. I wanted it to return it to the shop, so they could fix it / get me a new phone but when I was there the last time, the girl rebooted my phone and saw there the "unlocked" text on Moto logo. She just gave me the phone and said to go out. I would like to remove that Text from there but dont know how. I was reading a lot of posts but everyone was saying : once you unlock bootloader, its permanent. Yes, I know it. I read all FAQs before flashing.

All I want is to remove the text so I can return them the phone.

Thanks
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ravilov:
The only known way to do this is to flash the stock SBF. But it has to be

exactly

the one that was installed before any modding. Yes, that means you'll have to remember what exactly version and variant of the stock firmware you had before. SBFs are extremely dangerous so make absolutely sure you know what you're doing.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nifelvind:
so if I mistake SBF and flash the bad one I will be bricked and I can use phone as hammer ? :D Am I getting it right?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ravilov:
Very likely.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ashraf sharif:
removing unlocked text

You may want to try this before flashing sbf. This method worked for me. . No guarantee it will work for you . but i think it just might. first thing is to flash the 2,3,4 4591 fruitcake. then update to 2.3.6 45141 from the official motorola software update. the unlock text should be gone if you are successful in doing this. I did this several months ago because my camera led burnt out. good luck. also you may want to try to go to a different store or service center. :fingers-crossed:
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CaelanT:
You can't return to Motorola? I have not heard of, or read of anyone having issues with an unlocked bootloader when sending in for warranty. Is there a reason you have to return to the shop and not Motorola?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nullpat:
It doesn't need to be the same and exact SBF that was on it originally, it just has to be a SBF that is compatible with your phone. I remember I soft bricked an atrix while rooting it, and flashing an old AT&T SBF hid the UNLOCKED white text.

Basically you need to find out which SBF would be compatible with your phone. It shouldn't brick your phone unless you downgrade firmware, which is a huge no no on the atrix
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nifelvind:
Got the phone from O2, I dont know if I can return it back to Motorola.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tatperson:
In Singapore, Motorola would not even accept the phone if its only rooted. As long as the phone is modified in some way (unlocked bootloader/ rooted), your warranty is void.

Sent from that Atrix.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CaelanT:
Not necessarily my friend. When you unlock the bootloader the text displayed states that unlocking your bootloader MAY void your warranty. It at no time says WILL void your warranty. Now, in Singapore you may have problems returning a phone, but I am assuming he/she is in the UK if on O2. There are a number of threads where people have returned unlocked phones to Motorola and had them repaired or replaced without issue.

OP, doesn't matter if you bought your phone from O2. It will still have a Motorola warranty on it. As long as you are buying new or refurbished from a reputable dealer, then you should be fine. You can go to Motorola's website and check if your phone is in warranty or not.

At the end of the day, worst they can do is tell you that your warranty is void.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] htchd2fix:
i just got mine fixed, no problem with unlocked text on

the only problem they will lock your phone forever before return to you
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ravilov:
Bottom line is, no matter what you do, Motorola can easily tell if you've tampered with your phone in an "undesirable" way, and it's ultimately up to them whether that will be a problem or not. Sometimes they are generous and don't care, other times they are merciless *****es and will make your life hell (and charge you for it). YMMV.
[HTC One X] hackarchive:
I was wondering if some one good in dis assembly her could help with this.The one x + has a 2100mah battery with footprints of the onex but it has a faster processor.But what if there was a way to transplant its battery to the one x.Battery life will be awesome.This is for those who are good in dis assembly and I cant do it myself but this is an idea.Just like changing the razr into a razr maxx by changing the battery and back case. :fingers-crossed:
[HTC One X] shree.cse:
There is a thread in Accessories section with the same idea.
[HTC One X] Michealtbh:
There have been several threads with this same idea
[HTC One X] Vcek:
You want to void your warranty and possibly break/scratch your phone for 16% extra lifetime ? Just turn off 3g/wifi overnight and you will save atleast twice that.
[HTC One X] hackarchive:
Got it guys but is this possible?
[HTC One X] miHah:
Ill report to ya as soon as i try it put, but as far as I know HOX and HOX+ are not even the same size .. search the forum for "difference hox hox+" and take a look :)

link: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1939639
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] royalbloodvi:
Accidentally ubinstalled it, and now cant restore it so can anyone upload fast dormancy. Apk? Don't know if it matters, but Telstra Australia?
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cellzealot:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7632904/FastDormancy.zip

That is the APK and ODEX files from my Razr M on JB. I would imagine they are the same files you need, but nobody here with an HD has responded so I posted these.
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] madmonkey57:
Duh! Wanted to help, ran TiBu and looked for "FastDormancy" on the "Backup/Restore" tab... There isn't any... What am I missing? (Running rooted JB on an XT925)

EDIT: Anyway, here are both files extracted from my HD.
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] royalbloodvi:
I think I requested the wrong files, if you look at titanium backup its actually called modemfastdormancyservice. If u try to ubinstall it, it will show you the apk file name. Can you double check that?
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] madmonkey57:
Yep that's right. Modem Fastdormancy Monitor Service 4.1.1-57 points to /system/app/FastDormancy.apk and odex.
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] royalbloodvi:
Unfortunately couldn't reinstall the fast dormancy I ubinstalled using these files, with right permissions. Even a normal install, says error parsing package.

Thanks anyway guys
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Orphee:
Try to copy them directly in /system/app/ with Root Explorer, and reboot (if your phone is rooted of course)

Edit : you could also change owner after copy (always with Root Explorer) to : root
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] royalbloodvi:
Could anyone upload chromesystembrowser.apk as well?
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Orphee:
Did it work ?

Envoyé depuis mon XT925 avec Tapatalk
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] madmonkey57:
There you go
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DreddDroid:
Thanks

That worked!

Could you upload modemstatsevices apk, used Titanium to uninstall both but should have just froze them. N00b move I know.:o
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] madmonkey57:
There you go. Warning though, these were extracted from ICS not JB.
[RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DreddDroid:
Thanks. Just what In needed.
[Windows 8 General] gowthamachandran:
I am using ati mobility radeon 5650 on a vaio VPCEB46FG and running windows 7 home premium.

When i checked with the Official Windows 8 upgrade tool from microsoft it said that ccc have to be reinstalled, but it showed that device is compatible. The problem is i cannot use the drivers provided by the AMD bcoz of switchable graphics, have to rely on sony for that driver for windows8 compatibility, and they are not releasing the drivers.

So will the drivers for windows 7 and catalyst control center work on windows 8.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
I had problems with that on the CP and RP, id might be possible to force the AMD drivers to accept your graphics card as one of their own.

I don't have time just not to go through it all but basically if you look at the amd drivers, you will see an INF file with a list of supported devices and their device IDs, essentially you will replace the device ID of a similar card with your device ID, uninstall the drivers you have, and when you install the AMD ones it should think your device is now supported....

In Theory :laugh:
[Windows 8 General] sidthegreatest:
I would love to hear more about this method. My laptop too has the AMD switchable graphics & for the moment am stuck on the Intel HD graphics as the AMD drivers are not installing.