yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 General] Brac20:
Apparently its the same IPS True HD screen thats on the Optimus G. Reviews of that suggest it is right up there with the One X in terms of screen quality.

Due to the different screen technologies you will get the usual differences. So S3 will have true blacks but colours will be over saturated. Also AMOLED screens are more prone to screen burn (or at least the GNex screen is as my fiancee's screen has it)
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
I was goign to wait until we had more details, but I have now added the basics
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
Very interesting, thanks.

I hadn't thought about the possibility that mentioning GLONASS in specs could be considered something negative.

For me, living in Scandinavia, GLONASS makes a huge difference in gps precision, so getting a phone without it would be just silly.

When do you think the first nexus 4's are in the hands of xda people? So that we can get a confirmation using gps test?
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Depends how long they take to ship tbh, you will be able to purchase 13 days, so it shouldn't be too long now.
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
If the battery is so easy to access then what's the point of the two screws? :silly:
[Nexus 4 General] kutavyz:
What's about of the sound chip?

I'm very interested for this.

Thanks!

Enviado desde mi GT-I9100 usando Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 General] drumist:
This is wrong. The Nexus 4 does NOT support MHL. It uses a similar but different technology called SlimPort. (It's listed on the Play Store specs sheet.)
[Nexus 4 General] jameslfc5:
I know the difference between the front and back, the front is simplistic and beautiful as is the back, but I'm concerned that the edges are quite ugly :/
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
The sound chip is the DSP (Digital Sound Processor), one of the first chips I put details about
[Nexus 4 General] yahyoh:
WOW what a big speaker :cool:
[Nexus 4 General] raazman:
If the battery is accessible, they should have just let it be replaceable.
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
I thought the clock speed was 1.7ghz, could be wrong.
[Nexus 4 General] anscheinbar:
Is it possible that the display is smaller than other 4.7" devices (like HTC One X, Samsung Galaxy S III)?

versusio.com/en/google-nexus-4-vs-htc-one-x

It really looks a lot shorter (and a little bit wider). :confused:

cheers,

markus
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
It's 15:9 ratio
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
The APQ8064 chipset is rated up to 1.7GHz, but the Optimus G is only clocked at 1.5GHz so it is assumed the Nexus 4 will be the same, but potentially you are right
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
Actually it's 16:10
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
I see, we'll have OC capability soon enough if we want it anyways.
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Assuming it's the same screen that's in the Optimus G, it's 15:9

http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-E970-optimus-g
[Nexus 4 General] satiros:
does it support ant+?

THank you!
[Nexus 4 General] manlisten:
There was a (now closed) thread discussing the thickness of the Nexus 4. Just thought I would share this image for the sake of perspective.
[Nexus 4 General] FISKER_Q:
Baseband version posted on a dutch site: http://www.androidworld.nl/132915/nexus-4-in-nederland-gespot-fotos/

"M9615A-CEFWMAZM-2.0.1700.27"
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Not heard either way yet, but LG isn't part of the ANT alliance and thier main partner was Texas insturments. You can buy an ANT dongle for android devices though https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.usbservice&hl=en
[Nexus 4 General] adridu59:
Battery

may be

SiO+ technology from LG.

http://performance.lg.de/pages/feature_battery

This image doesn't seem perperly scaled if you compare the thickness of the phones.
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Thanks! Doing a quick Google, people seem to think that it means it is an MDM9615, but as we know it doesn't support LTE it must be either the MDM8220 or MDM8215 (this page was used to deduce that, and the MDM8225 doesn't support DC-HSPA+ according to this spec sheet)

EDIT: Matching the GPS chipset with that of the S4, it is probably the MDM8215
[Nexus 4 General] jaju123:
Anyone know how much RAM is available to the system on settings? :) Thanks!
[Nexus 4 General] theoneofgod:
+1
[Nexus 4 General] Fr33L4nc3r:
Being tired made me write crap :P
[Nexus 4 General] NexusDro:
when the navbar is there, the resolution is 1184x768. That's not 16:9 or 15:9.
[Nexus 4 General] raazman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution#Computer_monitors
[Nexus 4 General] Fr33L4nc3r:
Damn, I must revised my definition of long and large :silly:
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
The aspect ratio is a hardware spec, and the screen dimensions are 15:9. You don't change the aspect ratio of a monitor because of the windows start bar do you?
[Nexus 4 General] Fr33L4nc3r:
True, I was just emphasizing the difference in terms of displayable area between the 2 devices.

Nevertheless, as mentioned aboved, I should revised my school geometry ... :D
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
Could it be that there is some kind of license fee involved so that they have chosen not to implement GLONASS?

Btw has the optimus g started shipping? If so, can somebody check for GLONASS satellites?
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Could be, my knowledge on GLONASS is sketchy at best. As I understand it, it is Qualcomm that does the licensing any way, once it is in the chip it is paid for.

The LG Optimus G is due for launch on At&T on Friday and on Sprint on the 11th. Outside fo the US, I'm not sure.
[Nexus 4 General] MizuhoChan:
I don't suppose anybody knows if the new 10-bit video codec will be supported with hardware decoding?
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
That's a software issue, does Android support it on any other device?
[Nexus 4 General] MizuhoChan:
Hardware decoding is software? I thought it was the GPU. I know it's supported on a few recent phones.
[Nexus 4 General] jak3z:
Hardware decoding is made by the software, using the GPU. If the software can't use the GPU instructions, no hardware decoding.
[Nexus 4 General] MizuhoChan:
Oh. Maybe my version of Android is behind the ones I've heard it's working on. But if that is true, then I'd guess 4.2 would be able to handle it. I'm only on 4.0 right now.
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
I am having real trouble finding any real details about the Adreno320, so if anyone can help in that department it would be great.
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/snapdragon-s4-pro-apq8064-msm8960t,3291.html
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Although it rovides some nice details about the krait cores and and some benchmarks, it doesn't have any details about the inner workings of the Adreno 320, it seems Qualcomm are keeping it close to their chest
[Nexus 4 General] asprillon:
*SNIP*

Thaaaaks it seems wonderful ;)
[Nexus 4 General] farmerbb:
How good is the Hexagon chip's audio performance in comparison to the WM8994?

I can't wait to upgrade to the Nexus 4, but man, it's gonna be hard giving up Voodoo Sound on my Galaxy S 4G...
[Nexus 4 General] Stennan:
Send a mail to the chaps at anandtech, that site is one of the best when it comes to hardcore nerdism :)

if they can't help you maybe they can dig around and find some benches or stats
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
I may have misunderstood before, turns out the DSP is for processing voice, they use a separate DAC chip for audio output. By all accounts, it sounds quite good.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ne-x-isnt-amazing-at-all-even-by-the-numbers/
[Nexus 4 General] Lex360:
what about HD Voice support?
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
UPDATE on the GLONASS issue : I asked Phil Nickinson over at androidcentral, who has a device allready to dp a gps test.

The result is : GLONASS confirmed.

http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...-have-questions-fire-away-17.html#post2281856

:D
[Nexus 4 General] :
Always neat to see.
[Nexus 4 General] dknotty:
I guess no fm radio?
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Afraid not
[Nexus 4 General] Crisisx1:
OP awesome information, thank you. I will deff. be getting this phone.
[Nexus 4 General] CaspaTheGhost:
This is gonna be the longest 2 weeks, I can feel it.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] VictorNYC:
I don't know about that sir ?? The reviews rave about how beautiful the design on the edges is and the overall look and feel of the phone ... :)
[Nexus 4 General] onthecouchagain:
Does anyone know what the Android touch input lag is rated at now? I'm trying to dig up some info, some real numbers of just exactly in milliseconds what the difference between Android touch response is between Android devices and the iPhone.

Can anyone help? I tried Google and am not finding anything. I don't know if it's just because I don't know how to look. Of course, the numbers would preferably be post-Project Butter.
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Correct me of I am wrong (and n sure someone will) but wasn't project butter about making animations smoother rather than affecting touch responsiveness?
[Nexus 4 General] raazman:
16 milliseconds http://developer.android.com/about/versions/jelly-bean.html
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
I thought 16ms was just to maintain 60fps, I didn't realise they locked touch input to it as well. I suppose that means you are at most 15ms away from the response being registered.

EDIT: Added a connectivity section, to show the support stands (like MHL and SlimPort), no word if ANT+ is included yet.
[Nexus 4 General] danhnn:
OP awesome information, thank you. I will deff. be getting this phone.
[Nexus 4 General] onthecouchagain:
So how does that compare to the iPhone and iOS. The best I can find is: http://iphone-myspace.blogspot.com/2012/09/compared-to-apple-iphone-5-display.html

Says average iPhone 5 touch response time is 23 milliseconds.

So Android 4.1 has better response time at 16 milliseconds? Somehow, that doesn't seem right?
[Nexus 4 General] adridu59:
Why.
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
That's what I thought. I have no reason to believe 4.1 isn't more responsive than iOS6, so if that's what the data say then it is more responsive.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
I don't have data but in my experience it seems to be mostly hardware. My SGS has always had a very responsive touchscreen while the N7 seems to have much more lag.

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I don't think that is touch response but rather the response of the display after the processor tells it to change what it is displaying, the same type of response that could be measure for any non-touch display.

Lag from the touch screen and processing would have to be added on to that to get a total 'touch response' for either device.

I don't know that anybody has ever actually measured that, the total response time from a touch event to the screen reaction.
[Nexus 4 General] jameslfc5:
Any update on whether the LED is RGB?
[Nexus 4 General] theoneofgod:
It is!
[Nexus 4 General] ironhalik:
I believe the issue we're talking about is the one Microsoft pointed out in their research video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4

They way the Jelly Bean docs describe it, I would think that yes, touch response time (the same one as in the MS video) is in fact at 16 milliseconds.

They're talking v-sync and refresh times, but it's just the the cleaver tech used to achieve the end goal of better touch responsiveness. If the displays refreshes every 16 ms, the GPU redraws pixels every 16 ms and the touch input layer is running in sync with those, then it suggests touch response time is also rated at 16 ms.
[Nexus 4 General] rkantos:
By now people should have realized, that GLONASS will be a standard feature on all mobile devices including some kind of a GPS chip..

This is why: http://russianamericanbusiness.org/...S-import-duties-to-promote-Russia%92s-GLONASS
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Updated Adreno 320 details as well as added some display stuff
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
Tell that to HTC....
[Nexus 4 General] yumcax:
Good to see it has MHL support, I didn't fancy buying a $30 adapter that did the same thing (SlimPort). Also, there is a formatting issue for that section.
[Nexus 4 General] badboyblue:
so far it's the fastest phone in the market, but draw back is it doesn't have a microSD slot for an external memory card, so sad.
[Nexus 4 General] apzalo:
The play store only lists WiFi 802.11 b/g/n. Is it also ac?
[Nexus 4 General] drumist:
Honestly I think it's incorrect. I haven't seen any evidence that the Nexus 4 supports MHL anywhere.
[Nexus 4 General] Neo.Collin:
You say the radio is AC, but the playstore says its b/g/n. The Wiki page for the S4 Pro also says its AC. I'm wondering whether google is disabling the AC part!
[Nexus 4 General] c_86:
Anyone been able to find out of what the wireless charging tech is on this? Is it qi or something else...

Edit: I know the op says qi but there are alot of other thread out there right now that are saying its not or they aren't sure... mainly I think what a lot of people want to know is if another mat like the powermats or the palm touchstones will work to charge the device instead of having to buy googles whenever they decide to release it....
[Nexus 4 General] yumcax:
Well that would be a shame, hopefully someone will clarify this soon.
[Nexus 4 General] Initial_G:
wireless charging

Anybody know if the phone will come with a wireless charging dock? I don't think it will but just wanted to know!
[Nexus 4 General] raazman:
Definitely not.
[Nexus 4 General] Capt.PP:
To OP, you should add benchmarks to complete the picture. Great thread.
[Nexus 4 General] James.UBC:
if this came out with 32 gb memory, lte or included wireless charging dock i'd bite at launch day... now i thik im going to wait for htc's next thing
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
The international version of the HTC butterfly will be awesome, but it will be no nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
There is no doubt that it uses the Qi wireless standard, the confusion is over whether the Touchstone is Qi (which it isn't).
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
MHL is listed on many site spec sheets, but I don't know if they are all just copying each other. As it doesn't appear on the play store specs, I will remove it until someone can show it does support it, same for ac Wi-Fi

EDIT: I just keep learning more and more. Turns out the SOC has a separate RF chip for Wifi/Bluetooth/FM, and in the S4 Pro SOC that chip is the Qualcomm WCN3680. This chip does support ac & a Wi-Fi and also has FM support, but that doesn't mean these features are supported in software. I have put this separate section on the first post.

EDIT2: Sorry if I got your hopes up, turns out is probably the WCN3660, which doesn't support ac :( Still has FM support though :D
[Nexus 4 General] wapz:
Actually, I see two little screws on a cover where the Optimus G MicroSD slot is, would the hardware be intact allowing you to manually install one after removing the battery cover? That would mean we have a replaceable battery and MicroSD!
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
That's a plate that holds the cable for the battery

EDIT: Compressed the imformation to stop it gettign too big, added PMIC details
[Nexus 4 General] :
Or it could be enabled via OTA once the standard is finalized? My other question how do you know it's a dual band, etc. Play Store just lists it b/g/n?

Also the XDA description still lists 21 not 42.
[Nexus 4 General] Capt.PP:
The wifi is b/g/n. I was hoping for dual band since all the newer devices has already rolled out with them.
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
It depends, if the RF chip is WCN3680 it supports it, if it is WCN3660 it doesn't. The spec sheet for the S4 pro doesn't specify which is included with each model, it just says "WCN3660/80" so it could be either
[Nexus 4 General] Imppy:
will this phone come in white?
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
It may in a later date, but as of right now there is only a black version.
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Hmm it'll look better in black though. White electronics tend to not look at classy(excluding the white S3 & white iP5).
[Nexus 4 General] tixed:
You can see here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1963112 - maybe it's a leak, maybe just weird glossy light flash.
[Nexus 4 General] ironhalik:
According to AndroidCentral, it is dual band.
[Nexus 4 General] jaju123:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHMCP8mTBn0

There is an israeli hands-on here!
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
This is an old video of a prototype model, not the one reviewers have now
[Nexus 4 General] Rafase282:
Does it have FM radio support? I prefer to listen to local radio without having to use data. My Nexus one can do it but I don't know if the other nexus are able to, I hope this one does.
[Nexus 4 General] drumist:
Oh yeah, I'm not complaining that you had listed it. I just noticed the sites that say MHL don't say SlimPort, and I don't know why it would support two methods of doing the exact same thing. But truth is we don't know definitively until we get it in our hands!
[Nexus 4 General] red12355:
Engadget review up. There seems to be some weird performance and battery life problems. (hopefully pre-production bugs).

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-4-review/

eudt: Anandtech preview up as well. Ouch, the nexus 4 definitely has some problems. Poor battery life and throttling issues.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review
[Nexus 4 General] Monkeybrew:
No
[Nexus 4 General] PhilipL:
Hi

The FCC has test reports for 5GHz Wi-Fi, so it was designed in at some point, of course Google may have changed the specification since and removed 5GHz Wi-Fi however I would have thought if that resulted in a change of hardware (different chips or antenna changes) it would need re-testing. So presumably this phone does have the hardware for 5GHz. So a mystery why no mention in the specifications.

Edit: Anandtech tests states all Wi-Fi tests on 5GHz unless otherwise stated, and there is no mention of the Nexus 4 using 2.4GHz.

Regards

Phil
[Nexus 4 General] jaju123:
Anyone know how much RAM is available within android yet?
[Nexus 4 General] c_86:
Well the sgs3 has about 1.3gb left... so I would say around that mark.
[Nexus 4 General] HNKS:
Sorry if this is a stupid question but are the 3 touchscreen buttons at the bottom included when they say the screen is 4.7inches.
[Nexus 4 General] jacklebott:
Yes, as the buttons are on the screen. The size of the screen doesn't change
[Nexus 4 General] HNKS:
But then we are losing out on some screen space there. Its more like a 4.5inch screen then? No deal breaker for me, Im just asking.
[Nexus 4 General] drumist:
Correct. If you ignore the buttons at the bottom, assuming it takes up 96 pixels (like on the Galaxy Nexus), then the remainder of the screen basically is 768x1184 resolution at 4.45 inch, if you want to look at it that way.
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
I saw somewhere that around 1.6GB is available.
[Nexus 4 General] chrone:
i've been wondering what the nand chipset (storage) performance, is it better than last generation?

there will be hiccups here and there if the storage performance could not keep up the pace.

i feel your pain, dude! lol :D

been wanting this too :)
[Nexus 4 General] mikereidis:
Google doesn't like FM and never includes an app.

The Nexus One is the only Nexus device ever released with the needed hardware, and FM chip antenna and audio pins hooked up. That's because it was a somewhat modifed HTC Desire (that had FM). A custom kernel was needed to enable the FM audio.

I peeked at the system dump and only see "vestigial" FM stuff in the audio config file under /etc/snd_soc_msm . This is common with other similar devices with no FM hardware support, so means little to nothing.

I'm hoping to see that the LG Optimus G has variants that can support FM. It's possible the Nexus 4 will have hidden but usable FM hardware.

If the BT/WiFi/FM WCN3660/3680 combination chip has the FM antenna pin(s) connected somewhere useful, such as to the wired headset jack, then software likely should be able to enable it, but a custom kernel at least may be needed.

AFAICT, FM "antenna pin(s)" for this chip means that one pin is for a receive antenna. 2 pins are supposed to be able to support FM transmit, but don't hold your breath on that; almost no Android device transmits FM. We'll be lucky if the FM Rx pin is usable.
[Nexus 4 General] borich:
lg said that italian\eu version has fm radio. Moreover the open version of optimus G has fm either.

The only way is wait the 13/11 and wait until someone look inside.
[Nexus 4 General] anshumandash:
This is a really informative thread. Thanks.

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus 4 General] borich:
here in english:

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g-review-835.php
[Nexus 4 General] su_pakfa:
Waiting patiently for this device
[Nexus 4 General] jauhien:
I got a question.

Does Nexus 4 support Mass Storage function or MTP only?

Thanks a million!
[Nexus 4 General] gnan10:
I heard somewhere that galaxy nexus has transparent touch buttons mod...

Hope this nexus will have that mod....

Then we can enjoy the whole 4.7 inches of screen....:)

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If there is facility to replace sd card

I'll definitely buy this nexus and will insert my 32gigs sdcard :):thumbup:
[Nexus 4 General] PhilipL:
Hi

The annoying thing is if you look at the Nexus 4, space for "off screen" capacitive buttons is still there as they appear on the LG Optimus G.

Regards

Phil
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
Thats probably because the underlying PCB is built for the Optimus G, so it is made to fit the vertical space in that.
[Nexus 4 General] -Romchik_Voron-:
And what his points in the quadrant?(nexus 4): Смущен:
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
I love Brian from Anandtech! WCD9310 confirmed as the DAC, NFC & Wireless charging sections added.

EDIT: Tons of stuff added thanks to kernel source!

Baseband confirmed as MDM9215, details updated

Rear Camera Module confirmed as Sony Exmor R IMX111PQ, lots of details added

Front Camera Module confirmed as Sony IMX119

Flash Driver confirmed as TI LM3559

Headphone Jack Detector confirmed as Fairchild FSA8008, section added

Gyroscope confirmed as InvenSense MPU3050

SlimPort Transmitter confirmed as Analogix ANX7808
[Nexus 4 General] chrone:
me too! :D now we'll wait for the full review, hope the storage performance will be there too. :D
[Nexus 4 General] C4SCA:
Cuz having a pc faster than ur phone is too mainstream!
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
I'm sorry did you have a point? I'm going to assume that Google and LG chose to use an S4 Pro SoC so that the phone could deliver an S4 Pro level of performance.
[Nexus 4 General] thehunt33r:
Just a question about WiFi. Is there MiMo ?

And, I don't know if anyone could answer, is N4's wifi more powerful (in range) than GS2's ?

Keep up the nice job ;)
[Nexus 4 General] Audioboxer:
Is this camera in any other phones?

Also is that confirmed recording at 60FPS for 720p???
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
The chip supports it, so assuming Android does then yes

This appears in the LG Optimus G (AT&T Edition) and also in the LG Optimus 4X HD. The spec of the sensor is here, which confirms 720p @ 60fps
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
Not sure if this should be here but Phil Nickinson said he tried the N4 with a palm touchstone charger and it didnt work.
[Nexus 4 General] gnan10:
so still there is a way to enable those capacitive buttons ...hell yeah if it happens...more awesomeness gonna happen with nexus4 :victory:
[Nexus 4 General] jaju123:
http://mobile.twitter.com/nerdtalker/status/264855071970447360/photo/1

About 1.8 or 1.9 GB ram available to android. Kind of crazy!
[Nexus 4 General] eksasol:
The measurements for that Qualcomm DAC doesn't seem promising.

Um, no chance.

Sent from my LG Nexus 4 32gb
[Nexus 4 General] vido.ardes:
The space is there, the buttons aren't
[Nexus 4 General] PhilipL:
Hi

While the buttons aren't printed, perhaps the capacitive sensing is still there and wired up and it could be enabled? Yes that is wishful thinking, but you never know.

Regards

Phil