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[Nexus 10 General] noxas:
The best part of a proper tablet ui for me isnt the placement of the nav buttons, but the way in which the settings can be accessed from one page without having to go between screens... as in True Tablet UI for the nexus 7... Hopefully there will be a similar thing for the N10
[Nexus 10 General] molesarecoming:
I think you didn't understand me. All launchers are "tablet like" because they all base on googles original. Apex has tablet interfaces aswell as googles stock launcher. It has nothing to do with this discussion, the launcher tablet interface shows another search bar, that's it. It does not touch the navbar.
[Nexus 10 General] PlanetJumble:
It might not be possible to bring the old tablet layout back, but maybe custom ROMs can do something to better utilize that screen space. Maybe add a few more shortcuts to most used apps? That thick wide black stripe is looking so unused, begging for improvement!
[Nexus 10 General] McMichael96:
I think it's a smart move for Google. The notification pull down looks like it was taken from iOS on the iPad which a lot of people seem to like over the default android tablet UI.
[Nexus 10 General] Kartiel:
In my opinion they should out stock to the keys add on the Motorola XOOM.. The keys work perfect on my Galaxy Nexus. They kind of weird on my nexus 7 that's why I change the DPI to resemble my tab 10.1 I guess I'll do the same with my nexus 10
[Nexus 10 General] Kookas:
Why are people so concerned that they can't control a 10 inch screen just by touching only 1 inch of it? The iPad, for example, has awkward gestures that you cannot make use of unless you take your hands off the bezel. So does the Surface - you can't do the cool multitasking gesture on the right hand side of the tablet unless you take your hands off it. Stop being lazy.
[Nexus 10 General] homerunbm33:
Well said sir well said
[Nexus 10 General] PlanetJumble:
It is not the hand movement that bothers me, as I plan to touch a few other places on that screen as well. It is the wasted screen estate on the fat black stripe to the left and right of the on-screen buttons and on top.
[Nexus 10 General] philosopher09:
It bothers me a bit as well, but Windows 8 on the other hand has a much lower information density. I think the problem is that the wasted space is immediately apparent.
[Nexus 10 General] Kookas:
Doesn't ParanoidAndroid have a mod to change the navbar colours based on the app? That would make it a lot less apparent, plus it'd look pretty cool.
[Nexus 10 General] arrtoodeetoo:
This is technology. Don't confuse efficiency with laziness.
[Nexus 10 General] CreepyDroid:
You are the one who didn't understand him. He means that he can use an alternative launcher to remove the fixed dock and the huge search bar and revert to an ics-style home screen. The navigation bar is another story though.
[Nexus 10 General] philosopher09:
You don't understand (sorry!). This IS a tablet interface, just not the one you like.
[Nexus 10 General] The-Kevster:
It's about time they unified the interface across all devices. Yes some previous android tablet users (myself included) will have to get used to it. But it needs to be done.
[Nexus 10 General] nxss4:
Thxxx !!

Send from my lovely Sensation XL, from a little town in france with a very very slow internet connection. ;)

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Yes this is the new tablet interface. I prefer calling it phablet interface. I really like it, but I am not fan of the huge search bar...

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[Nexus 10 General] gnustomp:
I see no reason why everyone hates it apart from change. You use a 10" tablet with TWO hands. It doesn't matter where the buttons are. Everyone just hates change.

The old UI looks better on a tablet, but the notification/quick settings drawer was just bad.
[Nexus 10 General] PlanetJumble:
Then you didn't read closely.
[Nexus 10 General] Chef_Tony:
totally agree.

the n10 needs a navigation AND a notification bar, because of all the pull handles, i.e. pulling up from home for google now, pulling down on the left side of the notification bar for the notifications and on the right for quick settings and profile switching.

having 3 pull ups from the bottom bar wouldn't work.

and about the position of the buttons in the navigation bar: indeed they were placed there to not be hit accidentally. sure, one could blame the clumsy people, but i'd rather blame the app developers that use wrong target sdks and design poor navigation that cause these issues.
[Nexus 10 General] PlanetJumble:
I thought about that too, and it would make perfect sense. Integrating the status bar "back" into the navigation bar, with the main keys in the middle. Pressing the bottom left and right corners wouldn't do anything, but pulling up anywhere inside the left and right say 25% would open notification or quick settings, the middle stays as it is. That way the black space wouldn't be so vast and even the clumsy people would be served. But it might have been confusing a bit for some.
[Nexus 10 General] Habarug:
This. It makes perfect sense and gives us more usable screen
[Nexus 10 General] whoster69:
I'm not a fan of the huge search bar either. I would prefer to have the option to remove it, resize it, etc. It reminds me of the old Windows phone bar at the top that took up too much space.
[Nexus 10 General] nxss4:
Removing or resizing it would be amazing. I think we have to download a third party launcher...

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[Nexus 10 General] bahehs:
Nice, now we need to get in touch with Google.
[Nexus 10 General] dr9722:
IMO the general interface is fine. The only thing I don't like on the N7 is when you push the space bar on the keyboard you can accidentally end up pushing the home button.
[Nexus 10 General] npras42:
Where would the notification icons go? On the left or the right? Wouldn't this look awkward with the nav bar icons in the middle, the notification icons to one side and the clock on the other side. I don't think this is aesthetically pleasing, although it of course does enable better use of screen real estate.
[Nexus 10 General] arrtoodeetoo:
How about this idea? How about putting the nav buttons on the left side, and the notifications on the right, and just swipe up twice to get to your quick settings?

Oh, wait! That's how they had it ORIGINALLY! :rolleyes:
[Nexus 10 General] I Am Marino:
The Phablet UI works well on the N7, even I warmed up to it, but on the N10, I can't imagine.
[Nexus 10 General] Magnesus:
Keyboard should hide the bottom bar I think.

Is there any bug reported about all this anyway? I wrote one about HoneyComb bar a long time ago, it got a lot of responses and stars, but Google probably haven't even read it.
[Nexus 10 General] espionage724:
I like tablet UI, but only had the experience of trying it on a 7-inch tablet. I could go either way on the Nexus 7, but what reason would there be "not" to have it on a Nexus 10?

I do hope Google would allow it to be user-changable via some setting in a later update or something, but in any case, this is a Nexus device, can easily go grab a custom ROM or modifiy AOSP and etc. to get tablet UI :)

Also my memory is a bit fuzzy, but could you just take Apex Launcher and set it to use tablet UI?
[Nexus 10 General] PlanetJumble:
It has been covered in this thread a few times already, the launcher is not responsible for the system ui, it just runs in it like every other app. And it might just be that the tablet ui is not coming back at all, but we need confirmation on that from molesarecoming, he is the authority in that topic. :)
[Nexus 10 General] blackhand1001:
I could care less about the tablet launcher, never really liked it anyway but the tablet status bar is amazing.
[Nexus 10 General] PlanetJumble:
That is what I called UI.
[Nexus 10 General] espionage724:
Not sure if it was mentioned or not, but https://play.google.com/store?hl=en&tab=m8 has the Nexus 10 shown with Tablet UI.
[Nexus 10 General] PlanetJumble:
Not on my side.
[Nexus 10 General] molesarecoming:
its confirmed now. tablet UI in 4.2 exists! just figured out a way to unlock it for the paranoidandroid project.

google has taken it out in 4.2, there is no way you can tap into it via dpi hacks, and thats probably a good thing. i had to create a new layout container and relocate some code, make changes in androids framework. its in a raw shape right now, but later it will be up to par - PA's tablet UI is very different from anything else out there because we have rewritten sysUI to suit its needs. google kicked the code out for a reason, its old and buggy, it lags, freezes, etc. - we fixed most if not all bugs so you won't experience them.

unfortunately we dont have a programmer yet for nex10, we dont do ports for aosp, every aosp compatible device will have an active feature-producing programmer making builds. one of our members, jaybob, is currently seeking means to buy one. we will have that sorted out at some point and PA will be released, wont take so long we hope.
[Nexus 10 General] PlanetJumble:
\o/ That sounds very promising! It could even become better than tablet UI if it is all in your hands. I am very much looking forward to that. :D

What is going to be the lead platform for that stuff?
[Nexus 10 General] molesarecoming:
all aosp devices will be lead platforms, thats our goal at least. its what im saying, right now one of us has to dish out some money for it. i saved up for nexus4, jesus bought himself gnex, aaron is on nex7 and jaybob needs some more convincing to give up his tf700t. :p
[Nexus 10 General] PlanetJumble:
Oh, I will donate when I tried it on my device (don't even have one yet like most who tried on that day) and like it. If you need funds beforehand, you can try Kickstarter? ;)
[Nexus 10 General] espionage724:
Sounds pretty interesting. When I had my Nexus 7 though, PA wasn't really a ROM I preferred, mostly because of, all the stuff it included I guess. It's a great ROM though :) Just that I preferred something more, light-weight I guess like Team EOS; plus they just had a toggle for tablet-UI status bar (not entire tablet UI).

In any case, it should be pretty interesting to see what others manage to come up with in order to bring back tablet UI :)
[Nexus 10 General] molesarecoming:
i think you missunderstand something.

see the middle image? thats paprefs, our rom "control". if you tap "tabletUI" no app will be affected by it, only systemUI and its bars. look in my signature, you see all the UI's that sysUI has to offer in several sizes, the launcher runs unaffected by it in whatever UI and DPI was given to it. you can of course bring any individual app into various UI's (the "apps" header in paprefs) or override them all if you want as in build.prop "tablet mode," that's what the "interface" header in paprefs is for.

thats possible because everything is on per-app-basis. we treat the app that displays your bars in the same way we treat everything else. that means we dont need dirty hacks or dpi build.prop tricks. that is what makes pa unique. whats more is that the entire framework was rewritten to make it happen, tablet UI on PA works better than "real" tabUI on a google ICS tablet. as i said, theres a reason why google is phasing the code out, its years old, its full of bugs. we fixed countless of them - meanwhile making it as versatile and easy to handle as possible.

btw, pa is not based on cyanogenmod anymore, which was kinda blowing the rom up. starting from 2.99 its pure, lightweight aosp + clean code.
[Nexus 10 General] Habarug:
I love you
[Nexus 10 General] arrtoodeetoo:
It's always nice to wake up to some good news.
[Nexus 10 General] ayman07:
I'm really enjoying the phablet UI. At first I thought it was stupid but I adjusted quickly. No more accidentally hitting the back or home button when playing games or the notification panel when typing. Google did a good job.
[Nexus 10 General] molesarecoming:
i guess thats the first screenshot of tabletUI for 4.2. its on my nexus but that won't matter.

to explain what google did there, on ICS they gave systemUI, the app that displays bars, 2 UI's,

360dp Phone mode, 600dp tablet mode. In JB they moved tablet mode up to 720dp and created

phablet mode on 600dp in which the nexus7 falls. our guess was they did this because the codebase

was extremely ugly and buggy. since 4.2 they have taken it out entirey, even 720dp will result in phablet UI,

that's why you wont be able to get it via DPI hacks. i relocated the honeycomb code to 1000dp.

most of our aosp bugfixes are already in it, its missing some customization but will be fine.

we will release for nexus10 asap, one of us has to get one first.
[Nexus 10 General] kenvil1:
Looks alright tbh
[Nexus 10 General] tommrazek01:
I have got the Nexus 10 UI on a 8.9" device. On such a screeen, I feel the launcher is ideal. Although I still prefer the old Honeycomb Status Bar.
[Nexus 10 General] KestrelX:
On the whole I am happy with it. The slight difficulty of reaching the buttons in the middle is COMPLETELY balanced out, and then some, by being able to type without accidentally popping open menus every other &#?@?#! key press. God I hated that on the prime and infinity.
[Nexus 4 General] eep2378:
I know its a bit early but, here's the obligatory, "I got/ordered mine" thread!
[Nexus 4 General] DubelBoom:
Change it to "Ordered mine" :D
[Nexus 4 General] K Rich:
I hope I can get at least $400 for my i9300 when this is released, just to cover the cost of the 16gb. My i9300 is currently my only phone so I'm kind of stuck with is for now.
[Nexus 4 General] eep2378:
that better ;)
[Nexus 4 General] crachel:
This thread is the same topic and beat you by 3 minutes:

Play Store pre-orders and shipping thread!

Closed
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Parkourkid93:
Anyone else having a problem when after taking a picture from instagram and getting to the edit part, the image like either glitches or jut does show?, not sure if it was asked before, but if it was, then sorry, thanks :laugh:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] MikeJennni:
Ok here is my situation... Im cancelling my cable and internet to save money. From what ive read I can tether internet from my sgs3 to my laptop or xbox360.

I have unlimited data. My wife says after upgrading to unlimited they removed free tethering.... I am fully stock ics

What rom do I need???

Do I need a special cord???

Thx in advance

-mike
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] TheArtiszan:
it is a limit on the service side not the rom.

No matter what rom you use will not enable tether if T-Mobile is blocking it.

The best thing that works for computers is to set a custom APN in the settings to

Name: T-Mobile Web

APN: epc.tmobile.com

mmsc: https://mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc

leave everything else blank

then on computer set a user agent string to android

that will get tethering to work to computer

I am not sure about xbox.

if that is blocked I doubt there is anything that could be done.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] seksmeup:
You can use tethering on unlimited plans with AOSP based roms. Some TW based seem to make it work somehow as well, but you can be guaranteed that it will work on AOSP base.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] TheArtiszan:
Pretty sure (depending on your browser being used on computer) will have to change the user agent on your computer browser.

T-Mobile checks that and will block after 100 mb usage on default chrome, firefox, or ie user agent strings.
[Galaxy S II Themes and Apps] LSGio:
Can someone please tell me where can i find the galaxy nexus boot animation for galaxy s 2 (480x800)

i want the one with the Glowing X in the middle of the screen:

Here is a link to a photo from the animation so you wont be confused:

http://www.google.co.il/imgres?q=ne...29,r:6,s:0,i:84&tx=112&ty=28&biw=1366&bih=673
[Galaxy S II Themes and Apps] nikhilgavit:
There u go

http://db.tt/X0PBPjaq
[Galaxy S II Themes and Apps] angelshie:
^

...how to install this update???????
[Galaxy S II Themes and Apps] zee54:
Copy the .zip file from your computer to your phone, then using Root Explorer on your phone move the .zip file from where you saved it to the "/system/media" directory.

You may want yo first rename the original file that already exists in '/system/media' directory to "bootanimation.zip.old" in case anything goes wrong.

Here's a link to a thread with more info ...

[How To] Change your Bootanimation
[Galaxy S II Themes and Apps] bidomo:
There's not such a file, SGS 2 uses qmg or something like that, I've heard is proprietary, so, is there a way to create our own qmgs?
[Nexus 10 General] e.mote:
Wifi specs for N10 is listed as "WiFi 802.11 b/g/n (MIMO+HT40)". Can anyone confirm that this is indeed dual-band (2.4 & 5GHz), because HT40 mode is well nigh useless in 2.4GHz--the reason being that 40MHz mode would eat up about 2/3 of the entire usable allotted 2.4GHz spectrum, and would be extremely unfriendly to neighboring devices. Most routers don't allow 40MHz mode in 2.4GHz band.

Now that 4.2 supports Miracast, 5GHz support for high throughput is pretty much a necessity. Kindle Fire HD has dual-band, and it's kinda the baseline for tablets. Thus I'm assuming the same for N10, but would like confirmation.
[Nexus 10 General] :
Check this link: https://sites.google.com/site/androidpresssite/home/tech-specs

It says "Dual-band Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n (MIMO+HT40)"

I would think this is 2.4 & 5GHz. Samsung has been using dual band in most of their products. So, don't think this would be any different.
[Nexus 10 General] waitasecond:
But wouldn't you expect a listing of 802.11a then as well?
[Nexus 10 General] e.mote:
>But wouldn't you expect a listing of 802.11a then as well?

That was the erstwhile practice, posting abgn spec as an indicator of dual-band capability, hence my question. But .11a has been out of fashion for years now, so phasing it out of the specs list is a good thing. I did check into a few recent wifi adapters with dual-band support, and the 'a' is not present in their specs.

I doubt normal users would notice whether a tablet is dual-band--at least for now. But Miracast capability should push dual-band awareness to the fore, and I expect the next gen of tablets will have dual-band alongside Miracast. The trend is already set for the latest entrants--Surface RT, KFHD, and N4/N10 all have dual-band and MIMO ants. N10 in particular has HT40, which would be useful since it will be outputting 1080p, whereas the others only need to output ~720p.
[Nexus 10 General] Samzebian:
i think dual-band is a definite necessity in any of today's tablets, I couldn't believe the nexus 7 didn't have one when I originally bought one, then was astonished Asus would drop the ball even on the infinity! A mid-2012 device that retails for $500, without dual-band! Crazy talk I say!

I'm looking forward for the next tablets to get 802.11AC!

speed up your hardware development tablet manufacturers! I know it ain't easy, but they've got a better chance at pushing newer wireless standards than I do!
[Nexus 10 General] biggulp:
Not just dual band. New tablets need to have more than one antenna too. The Kindle Fire HD is a good start.
[Nexus 10 General] Straf:
They do, MIMO = multiple input, multiple output, antenna diversity

BTW N10 doesn't have miracast, probably because of memory bandwith, too many pixels to duplicate.
[Nexus 10 General] GTabJosh:
The N10 has amazing memory bandwidth -- 12.8GB/s. Also, the wifi bandwidth is easily enough to transmit 1080p video unless the signal is very poor.

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This is outside my range of knowledge, but I ran a few Google searches. :o

"The Nexus 10 does have enterprise-class wireless networking hardware, with dual-band 802.11n supported alongside MIMO internal antennas (oddly, 5GHz 802 11a has dropped off the specifications — probably because nobody has ever cared very much)."

The Nexus 10 features the latest 5GHz, MIMO Wi-Fi 802.11n. Its wireless performance was considerably faster than the Google Nexus 7, but not as fast as the fourth-generation iPad. On a 5GHz, high-speed corporate network using the Ookla Speedtest.net app, the Nexus 10 averaged an admirable 22.3Mbps down, while the iPad 4 hit 37Mbps down.

Dual-band Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n (MIMO+HT40), Bluetooth, Dual-side NFC (Android Beam)

I assume "dual-band" is what you're looking for. One article I read mentioned that it had 5GHz 802.11n. Anyway, the pcmag review -- where they ran the Ookla Speedtest.net app -- sounds like an intelligent, reliable source. I hope that's the info you're looking for.

Josh
[Nexus 10 General] Samzebian:
WHAT!? I thought it had miracast?! Or is it just that Android 4.2 supports it? I'm totally confused now..:confused:
[Nexus 10 General] EniGmA1987:
I believe the specs were a 64-bit dual channel memory interface w

Yes it does have high memory bandwidth for a tablet or phone, but that memory bandwidth is actually just the theoretical max and furthermore is completely used up by the devices screen resolution. It may be high compared to what past devices have had, but it is still not enough for what the device should have. I believe the specs were a 64-bit dual channel memory interface with low power DDR3-800 speed memory chips. Samsung really should have gone with their incredibly cheap and high density 1333 chips since it probably wouldnt have even cost anything more.

This lack of memory bandwidth was my reason for making a thread a couple days ago on the possibility of adding RAM overclocking to kernel tunables, and possibly even RAM timing adjustments. The largest thing holding back gaming and benchmark performance will be the memory bandwidth, second worst thing will be the GPU speed

As for wifi, Ill know for sure when my device gets here in a day or two but I would suspect it will have both 2.4 and 5GHz bands. No sense having MIMO and HT40 if it doesnt even support 5GHz
[Nexus 10 General] GTabJosh:
That's twice the bandwidth of the fastest Tegra 3 devices. I was just looking at the GL offscreen benches, too, and the GPU seems quite capable. The hardware is there; if there are performance problems, they must be firmware or software issues -- and correctable.
[Nexus 10 General] DraesDraco:
Nexus 10 & 802.11ac

Does anyone know if the Nexus 10 will benefit from a 802.11AC router, like for example the Linksys AC1750 or NetGear R6300? Is getting a 802.11 AC router worthwhile?
[Nexus 10 General] Mikehud1984:
Not yet they are not worth it. If you do some research on AC it will double in speed and bandwidth in the next gen of AC devices. Besides it will take some time for devices to gain native AC support. Think back to when N (draft) came out and only the last year or so has really maxed the potential of N capabillities. Id wait. Just my 2 cents.
[Nexus 10 General] e.mote:
>Does anyone know if the Nexus 10 will benefit from a 802.11AC router, like for example the Linksys AC1750 or NetGear R6300? Is getting a 802.11 AC router worthwhile?

802.11ac requires hardware on both ends to potentially realize the higher speed. And even when the equipment has the label, it doesn't mean that it has the additional hardware (radios & antennas) needed to attain higher bandwidth. Nexus 10 doesn't have, nor can it be upgraded to .11ac.

Moreover, 802.11ac is not finalized, and all AC equipment are draft-based. That means brand-interoperability is low, and it's best to buy both router & adapter from the same vendor.

These said, a new 802.11ac router may confer benefits if its N portion performs better than your present router.

Suggest reading reviews of current draft-AC routers for better grasp of the pros and cons. Here's a typical review from a respected site:

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wire...-band-wireless-ac1750-gigabit-router-reviewed