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[Nexus 4 General] lyndonguti:
i highly doubt that the op of this thread is an iphone user

edit: iphone user is ataking us because of their jealous for google...feel free we are gentle man

sent from my lovely phone....hmmm wait its a tablet...waaa i dont really know.....im PARANOID NoW!

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oh pls delete this thread

sent from my lovely phone....hmmm wait its a tablet...waaa i dont really know.....im PARANOID NoW!
[Nexus 4 General] besthijacker:
What is the point of Cloud Services if I get no reception when I am on the subway underground commuting to work/school. Me and 8.5mil New Yorkers would agree.
[Nexus 4 General] alexmaras:
I do a fairly large amount of video encoding - a lot of it at very high quality. This kind of large file I playback on my TV through Plex/HDMI from my PC.

However, If you think any of your full length movies need to be larger than 2GB for a decent 720p rip on a 4.7 inch scree, you're fooling yourself. also, the larger the video, the harder the phone has to work to display it, the faster the battery drains. I would understand if you were arguing that you like to pop a movie on your phone and can't be bothered re-encoding a video, but how many times are you going to watch that movie before you can quite happily delete it from your device?

surely nobody genuinely watches the same movie more than once in a month?

Get into the habit of swapping media around. I don't have need for that space but I do have need for a great phone. Don't act like because you consume more media than is probably healthy in a day that your uses are somehow superior to others. It's very condescending.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Don't like it then go read another thread, lots of other choices out there. ;)

Judging the healthiness of people's usage, and he's the condescending one? I think that's a new low for this topic congrats.

With proper hardware decoding it doesn't take much battery at all to decode 720p. I put high quality 720p on my SGS and it doesn't even heat up while playing it most of the battery is going to screen.
[Nexus 4 General] Jasonhunterx:
Buy a iPod or something or get a galaxy S1 an pop in SD card
[Nexus 4 General] donavo:
why???

why does OP want more storage????? the whole idea of keeping stuff on ur phone is pretty much becoming useless with cloud storage.....i wouldnt get anything over 8gb on the phone because i dont want to lose everything just in case the phone gets stolen or something....all my music is cloud based and internet radio...all pictures will be synced......why does storage bother anyone??? i mean what can you possibly have that will ammount to over 16 gbs?
[Nexus 4 General] thebobp:
Say, all of us? Which makes me wonder why so many people here are singing their praises.

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What about games? Is that common usage enough? Many games are exceeding 1GB, and even the 100mb ones add up. And this isn't something you exactly want to try to delete.

If cloud services (e.g. music) don't work as well for you, that's another several gigs down the drain.
[Nexus 4 General] sololhj:
This may be already have been mentioned, but when I saw the price for the Nexus 4 @ the Play Store(16Gb/$349.00) I assumed that if you bought it subsidized from T-Mobile you would get it for pennies(subsidized).

I figured that this would allow the Nexus 4 to be so competitively priced that it would make the Nexus device a no-brainier(Even with the extra thickness, no LTE & no micro-SD)

The Nexus 4 would be so cheap(subsidized), my grandmother would be rocking "Vanilla Android"

Well turns out I was wrong. T-Mobile will be selling the Nexus 4 16gb model for $500.00.

- Classic Plan $250 up front and $50 back from mail in rebate

- Value Plan $200 up front plus $15 for 20 months (total $500)

- Full retail price is $499.99

I know pretty much everyone on XDA who plans on buying the Nexus 4(not me) will know to buy it directly from Google, but this is a sad development non the less.
[Nexus 4 General] Cusa:
Nov 13th can't come any sooner!!!
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
It's not like the music and videos on the phone are the only copy, that would be dumb.

As far as cloud goes, I do like some streaming radio or netflix but in general if you have a collection of music/video/pictures it makes no sense for a bunch of reasons:

-flash memory is <$1/GB, or I suppose ~$3/GB if you go by the lame $50 for extra 16GB crap that gets dropped on us these days

-cell data is roughly $5-10/GB every time you use it, maybe less maybe more

-cell data needs reception

-in the bigger picture everyone using more cell data will increasingly clog up the networks, they don't have unlimited capacity, not LTE and especially not HSPA

-using cell data drains battery

Basically for a dollar I can keep a GB of stuff on my phone and use it as many times as I want wherever I want with minimal battery usage.

The 'cloud' hype is that it is better to upload this somewhere and then use cell data and battery over and over again, only where there is reception, to stream it back to myself. It's such an obviously terrible idea when it is laid out in these terms.
[Nexus 4 General] ChongoDroid:
Because some things are and some things are not!
[Nexus 4 General] alexmaras:
The guy made a comment that suggested the only use of a high end phone was high res media. That's just not true. I don't see how me saying it makes it "a new low" for the topic that is called "Google {expletive} failed again..." - I'm pretty sure it started off as low as it could be.

Also sorry to break it to you, but my comment was fairly constructive and focussed on what I felt was an appropriate view of his/her comment.

I get that a phone CAN handle higher res stuff than 2gb, but do you really think it improves the visuals noticeably for casual watching? I never said it couldn't, I said there was very little point, And that's coming from someone who has near full bluray rips of lord of the rings on his hard drive.

Fair enough?

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What if you have multiple devices? I have a HTC sensation, nexus 7, macbook pro, windows desktop and iPad. The only one that doesn't join in the Google drive fun is the iPad and I even think there's a drive app for it now. I love it.

I get the issues with it, but saying its a "terrible idea" is going way too far. Terrible for your uses maybe but for a uni student it is beyond useful - its essential for me.
[Nexus 4 General] Supermaster34:
When I went on holiday I found that my 16Gb nexus 7 had enough space for 5 movies from Google Play, 3 of them in HD and music for the trip. I didn't have to uninstall any apps and I still had something like 1.5Gb free. I guess if you use the space wisely then 16Gb is more than enough. I've only owned 1 device with a micro SD slot and I used under a gig of space on it. Seeing as Google music is being expanded to other countries, I think most people will not need more than 16Gb so Google were right to offer these storage options, although more would have been a bonus
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
This whole thread is just silly. If 16 Gb's isn't enough for you, go buy something else and stop complaining. All the whining in here isn't going to make a 32Gb model suddenly appear.
[Nexus 4 General] Ajfink:
Right? An LGOG or SGSIII would serve someone fine if they need more.
[Nexus 4 General] gd6noob:
shouldnt be feeding the TROLL..

he is prolly an apple fanboy and just wants to bash on google...
[Nexus 4 General] crazyfool_1:
How did this topic get to 37 pages lmfao
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
honestly, get over it...

find yourself another phone, root it, and throw on a vanilla rom if you hate this phone so much... half the threads here are of ungrateful kids crying about features they want.. features that other phones offer...

google has a vision, if you dont like it.. you have TONS of other options. welcome to android, you all must be new here..
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Says the guy with middle finger avatar. ^^^

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[Nexus 4 General] krips2003:
I can compromise and ready to pay $399 if they come out with 32gb version of Nexus 4. Even $499 for 64gb version. I understand the cloud part thing but data is not cheap and unlimited. Also, when cloud goes dark tears start falling.
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
says the guy with a black kid with an afro as an avatar

whats your point here?
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
Sure as hell beats whining about a feature that will never be.

Unspill that milk, Google!
[Nexus 4 General] danielsf:
With those specs, I would quite happily £320-360 for a 32gb model (16gb it £279 and 8gb is £239 in the uk). Decided I am going to keep money in the bank and wait for a 32gb model and buy it the second a 32gb model comes out. To tide me over I will just buy the 32gb nexus 10 on the 13th. I have tried to fit everything on my s3 internal 16gb that I want and found that the min storage I would need would be about 18gb user accessible and that's with using google music to stream my music collection. I am sure google will release a 32gb model in a few months like how they did with the nexus 7. Just have to put up with my s3 until then :D
[Nexus 4 General] limpopo:
To all those saying, "Don't like it? Buy another phone."

If that is all you can add to the thread, let me tell you it is completely worthless, and has already been said. Everyone already knows that, and the same argument applies to any product or service ever sold. People still like to discuss the features of products and services, and how they might be improved.

The problem here is, what if you want software updates? Don't tell me to root another phone and put a vanilla ROM on it. Device drivers are mostly binary blobs, and they just don't play nice without some vendor support.
[Nexus 4 General] hummer010:
This whole thread is worthless.

I am under no illusion that Google designed this phone for me, personally. If the phone doesn't fit my usage needs, then I will look for another phone, or adapt my needs to fit that phone. *****ing randomly on the internet about it does nothing.
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
That's true, but ceaselessly complaining about it is about as useful as telling someone to "get another phone"

These are the specs and features, they are not going to change. It does not have an SD slot, period. We've all opined on what we think about that feature (and lack thereof) and not much more can actually be stated which would be socially redeeming or helpful in any way. At this point this thread is just cyclic with the same rehashed opinions. This is either a deal-breaker or it isn't. Nothing stated here is going to change the fact that this phone will not come with an SD slot.

You either get this phone in spite of that fact or you get another phone. You are certainly entitled to be upset about the fact of no SD, but spitting the same arguments and opinions over and over again whether you are in the "shut up and get another phone" school or the "I demand to be heard, this is not right, Google is like Apple, Google is cheap, Google is stupid, I want an SD slot" school, nothing is going to change

But if you just want to vent about it then that is understood, which in the end I guess is what this thread is all about.
[Nexus 4 General] dbgeek:
While I sit on the "16GB is more than enough for my uses" side of this discussion, I don't see the thread as "silly". What's wrong with having a forum where people voice their displeasure that a product falls short? Would Google offering a 32 GB device for $100 more than the 16GB device been that bad an idea? If people don't voice there opinions there is zero chance that a new offering would be considered or that the N5 might have a 32GB option. In addition, if the discussion didn't happen the OTG option wouldn't be present to people who what options for managing larger volumes of data than 12-13 GB.
[Nexus 4 General] limpopo:
Venting is good, but also there is more to the debate than just SD, which I do agree has been covered pretty exhaustively over the years.

LTE is at a tipping point, and I think some of the arguments that have been made in this thread to justify its absence are just based on misconceptions about the latest technology, and also are often US-centric. MDM9615 (modem) and WTR-1605 (transceiver) are made by Qualcomm (the SoC vendor for this phone), are available in volume, and will ship in the Nokia Lumia 920 and 820. They give you at least pentaband LTE, which should be enough to cover most of North America, Europe and Asia. It is dumb to exclude that feature from a phone intended to be used with Cloud services.
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
I think the issue is which LTE bands do you include? Sprints? Verizons? AT&Ts?

Is there such a modem that supports ALL AT&T bands? of you mean that the GSM version should have just supposed the AT&T ones?

I can see that as a downfall too, since I get 6 to 10 MBPS down at any given time on H+, LTE seems kind of pointless to me, especially when AT&T caps you at 2, 3 or 5 gigs, what good is 60MBPS down when you get capped after 10 minutes of downloading.

I think they just wanted to make it universal and carrier independent.

The SD issue has just been beaten beyond death, resurrection, death again, zombie, zombie death etc...
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
Because complaining about it on a forum is not going to change anything.

Google did what they did because of a reason - that reason being to push people towards using clouds more. It's that simple. Having a "discussion" about it here is not going to change Google's stance on things. And after 30 pages of opinions, there's not much more to say. It is what it is. Either you're fine with it, or you're not. Endlessly complaining about not having an SD card slot is well, for lack of a better word, retarded.

False. For all we know, the N5 could have a max storage capacity of 8Gb's. If Google sells 4 million 8Gb N4's and 200 000 16Gb N4's, guess which route they're going to take.
[Nexus 4 General] :
do you people not get it? THE EXACT SAME PHONE on ATT (LG Optimus G) is $549 off-contract.

How much is the iphone off-contract?

Beggers can't be choosers, you either like this phone or you don't... if not... there are other forums and other devices... not the end of the world. I can knock the iphone cause it lacks the same features but it's 3 times the price
[Nexus 4 General] gtalum:
I wouldn't say Google fails. it's a pretty amazing device at a great price point. The only thing holding me back is the lack of LTE. I recognize that not everyone is interested in it, but personally I am having a hard time choosing to live with HSPA+ for 2 more years.

I'm on AT&T for the foreseeable future either way, so effectively this and the Note II are the same price for me.
[Nexus 4 General] formicae:
Why would you have more than one nandroid backup on the phone at a time?

I keep the latest on the phone, I push two or three of the older ones to my server at home, and anything older than a couple of weeks get deleted -- restoring my phone to a date earlier than that is pointless, might as well wipe and start fresh.

Same with ROMs. I keep the install for my daily driver or stock, just in case, and whatever ROM I'm about to flash. Once it's stable, the zip either comes off the phone or becomes the new daily driver backup.
[Nexus 4 General] sbnaul:
If u need more space just buy an OTG cable and a big external hard disk... u ll never fall low in space then... :p :cool:
[Nexus 4 General] digitalfiz:
Not really sure why you would put so much on a PHONE. Get a tablet if you want to have a ton of movies and such available. I can't imagine a need for a large collection of movies on a phone.

Oh yeah and its under $350 for an out of contract phone. iPhone that cheap? no, thats why people complain about the lack of features on that device. Just sayin...

I guess no matter what someone will have something to complain about.
[Nexus 4 General] gtalum:
Agreed. I keep the latest stable nandroid and the latest stable ROM on the phone.

More than 16GB would be nice, but I don't consider it a necessity. I really do wish it had LTE though.
[Nexus 4 General] setspeed:
A fair comment. However my point is that at the moment I am not forced to micro-manage what is on my phone for fear of running out of space. I like the freedom to be able to flash a new ROM every now and again, and keep zips and backups on there until a time in the future when I feel like a bit of spring-cleaning. Not be forced to keep clearing stuff out all the time because "storage space is low". I had that message for the first time the other day since buiying my S3 6mths ago (16GB + 32GB microSD) and do you know what? It reminded me of the bad old days of my HTC Desire where I constantly saw that message. I don't want to go back.
[Nexus 4 General] warlock257:
Obviously the storage is to cut costs. $350 is an amazing price. I'm hoping other companies take note because spending $600 on a phone is ridiculous.

That being said, it couldn't have hurt them to have at 32gb version for $400.
[Nexus 4 General] setspeed:
I agree the N1 wasn't perfect, but then we didn't have the huge games and the like that we do now. Apps seem to gorge themselves on storage space now, the size of some apps these days is OBSCENE. And, although it was a complete kludge, there was a workaround (admittedly later on) using apps2sd which solved the problem in a lot of cases since you could put a microSD card in the phone.

Actually no, you're right - the N1 was a complete failure too! :D
[Nexus 4 General] Ace42:
Good luck getting the iPhone 5 at 350 new.
[Nexus 4 General] CJHolderUK:
*****, *****, *****, *****, *****. That's all people seem to do.

"No LTE", "No Expandable Storage", "Only 16gb onboard storage!?!?". Jesus it's a £239 / $300 phone stop sulking and find a better phone for this price...
[Nexus 4 General] Blinkenn:
or wait a few months for the 32gb like they did with the Nexus 7?
[Nexus 4 General] Intruder7s:
Why so much blame to the OP?

I too agree with him.

Sure lots of people are more than satisfied with 16Gb of storage.

Those who are not, have ways to expand it using either cloud services or external usb-otg drivers or Sdcard readers.

But some would like to have more space ( e.g. 32GB ) without that little hassle of having to have internet connection to listen to that mp3 you haven't listened for a month or to carry around the usb adapter ( not all of have carry bags ).

That said, I thing 16GB will be more than enough for me.

But an option of a 32GB model would be great for people that need/want more.
[Nexus 4 General] Plexicle:
Coming up with constructive ways to expand storage or try to make an sensible argument about why you might need a lot is one thing.

Creating a thread with the subject "Google ******* fails again..." is another.
[Nexus 4 General] formicae:
Which one is it, 'now and again' or 'all the time?'

I hardly feel like I'm micro-managing when I plug my devices into a computer every week or two to dump photos and old data (most of which is already in the cloud, but I'm a belt-and-braces kind of guy).

Maybe we need to have an intervention; does your home look like the photo in that article?
[Nexus 4 General] qnet:
Excellant point!

I do something similar and never keep more than two Nandroid backups (usaually the stock Rom and custom one).

That's were all my movies are, on my tablets.

More storage would be nice as would LTE but, it won't keep me from getting this phone. Everyone's situation is different.
[Nexus 4 General] :
Its understandable that after releasing so many Nexus‘, some of the specs may not be up to other Android phone e.g S3.

But everything simply points to one thing: if you like it, buy it. If you don't, find something you like. Don't disappoint yourself just because it doesn't suit your needs.

Sent from my LG-P970
[Nexus 4 General] pachi72:
Thats why I say SCREW GOOGLE AND THEIR NEXUS CRAP. Buy a GS3 32+64gb SD card+ Root+CM10= Better than Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
And it will never run as good as a Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] Plexicle:
Sometimes I wish it was this easy.

http://i47.tinypic.com/34qtswl.png
[Nexus 4 General] crazyfool_1:
^This.

Your alternative is either buy a different Android phone or buy an iPhone. After 2 years and 4 devices of no sd card slot I don't know why people are surprised.
[Nexus 4 General] PhillyCheez:
Isn't the great thing about android is that there are alternatives?

Google only has oversight over one phone.... You can't please everyone. Unless you love the iPhone. Their audience seems to love every model they come out with..
[Nexus 4 General] itismadhan:
Google made it pretty clear that Nexus 4 is a Dev phone. No novelty, thick. Looks ugly and last, LG? Really? This is gonna flop!
[Nexus 4 General] dbgeek:
Your statement is completely illogical. How does the 8GB selling vastly more than the 16GB invalidate the notion that if Google doesn't know that potential customers want a 32GB option, then they won't produce a 32 GB option? The two are completely unrelated.

If 8GB sells 4 mil and the 16GB sells 200K, Google still may not produce the 8GB. What if they need to sell 10 million, to break even?

It's safe to say that if the 8GB outsells the 16GB by 10X that Google would still offer the 8GB. At the same time, if money can be made by offering a 32GB option, then you can count on the fact that Google will consider it. How would Google know that they could have sold a large number of 32GB phones, if people don't voice their opinions? Even, then they may conclude that there isn't enough $ to be made to warrant the hassle of offering the 32GB (i.e., a 3rd option), that cannibalizes the 16GB, but it would still be considered.
[Nexus 4 General] dynamicpda:
This is a great post to keep in mind. Remember the price as you gripe about the features. And know your needs.
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
It's called Market Research, which I'm pretty sure Google has done. I am also quite certain that how they settled on 8Gb and 16Gb models, by researching what people are most likely to buy, based on what has been sold in the past by not only Google, but other manufacturers as well.

If people aren't buying enough 16 Gb versions, then why the hell would they make 32's? It makes absolutely no sense. That's a loud and clear message for Google - Not enough people are buying them, so stop wasting time, effort, money and resources to make something that people don't even want.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Nexus 7 32GB appeared pretty suddenly

BTW I and others have posting directly to Q&A's and places where people from Google will see that there is demand

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I think most of us have been down the road of those other options and gotten f***ed on updates

my phone officially stopped at 2.3.3, a piece of junk where android OS kills the battery in a few hours

I will wait for 32 GB. Berate people who just want more storage than they had 4 years ago all you want but Google will pull a Nexus 7 on this just wait
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
Don't base things off of the voices coming from your ass. That's never a good idea.