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[Nexus 4 General] jader13254:
Thats an epic fail. Remeber SGS3 still at 480$ in my Country and Nexus 4 at 349$, so its almost 130$ Cheaper, and thats a lot for a bit less memory, way better hardware, software and screen.
[Nexus 4 General] roughavoc:
Not everybody has unlimited data and this is where the problem lies
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
I was in the middle of agreeing with you and then this happened. Do people still make this "couldn't care less" mistake on accident, or are you just a troll?

If this is a big enough concern, the ideal solution is to halve the amount of time spent *****ing about the Nexus 4 internal storage in relation to time spent getting a different device, because whining won't make LG conjure up anything any faster.
[Nexus 4 General] bobbyball:
Why on earth do you need to carry all that around on your phone. Don't buy it .......simple.
[Nexus 4 General] EddyOS:
Guys, have some perspective here...

Everyone was slating Google for not releasing updates to their Nexus range quickly to the carrier-bloated handsets and this was the carriers fault. This time, Google has given a massive middle finger to the carriers and instead is catering for the global masses. Why bother with proprietary LTE technology when there is already a global 3G technology still in use? Wait until LTE is a standard and THEN jump on board. It's the RIGHT decision for Google to make.

To those *****ing about the lack of storage, understand that Google wants you to use it's Drive service (as well as being able to use other cloud-based storage). Here's a suggestion, use your phone as a PHONE!! I go on holiday and I want to take a picture. Guess what? I use my camera!! I want to watch a movie in my room. Guess what? I use my laptop or tablet!! A phone isn't meant to hold your life, it's meant to compliment it.

Google, IMHO, have made the best phone they can with the current

mature

technology available that can be used and accessed by the most people
[Nexus 4 General] leventccc:
You are right cloud is good but what are you gonna do when you are traveling? Roaming can make bills 10x more while using cloud outside hometown
[Nexus 4 General] bpye:
WiFi? Most cafes and such have public wifi....
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
=___= Dammit. I didn't realize I made that error until you pointed that out. *fixes*
[Nexus 4 General] honghsien5:
well said.

this is probably exactly what google is doing
[Nexus 4 General] ntt1409:
+1

+1

epic +1

Dont just rely all your life on a phone...
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
lol @ "decent processor"

the S4 quad core is a bit more than decent.

Not going to comment on the rest of the OP since eloquent members here have done that for me.
[Nexus 4 General] Stereo8:
What idiot stores movies on his phone?!

Nexus 4 is awesome!
[Nexus 4 General] Harry GT-S5830:
So google release a £279 phone with hardware putting it ahead of most flagships currently (excluding HTCs J B).

You are complaining about having a mere 16GB storage? Buy a USB OTG cable and put all your crap on a USB.
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
Which HTC phone has better specs than an S4 and 2GB ram?
[Nexus 4 General] Harry GT-S5830:
The one that's supposed to have a 1080p display or something crazy, its only available in asia.
[Nexus 4 General] :
no room for logic on xda bruh... didn't you get that memo?
[Nexus 4 General] Harry GT-S5830:
Sadly not :/
[Nexus 4 General] formicae:
Do you mean 'by accident' or are you trolling too?
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
The new J Butterfly with a 5" 1080p screen.
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
16GB's is more than enough for me. Hell, I could even possibly go for the 8.

I have no idea what some of you people put in their phones. It's a phone, not a workstation or a Playstation, jeez.
[Nexus 4 General] aSquard:
Read the article from the Verge - it clearly states why LTE doesn't exist on the Nexus 4. In short, LTE just isn't standardised yet..

From the article: http://goo.gl/QxRzR

"Google would have to build a custom phone for just 77 US markets"

This about summed it up for me:

Google may be getting serious about selling hardware with the Nexus 4, but not so serious that it's willing to compromise with carriers, and compromising with carriers is the only way to make LTE work.

And there's precious little to suggest working with carriers is even in Google's best interests, or in the best interests of Nexus customers. The Galaxy Nexus was announced last year with a promised LTE version on Verizon, but the carrier held back releasing the phone for months to promote its own Droid RAZR instead.

Cramming all those radios in a device makes it expensive, and Google would have to rely on the carrier for support. That in turn slows down the release of updates to handsets, basically making a Nexus device, well... less so.
[Nexus 4 General] pinkman1:
i don't have LTE in my country, so... i couldn't care lesssss
[Nexus 4 General] Komodo Rogue:
I think it's a very, very, very safe bet that Google will release a 32GB - and maybe even 64GB - N4. We have about a year until the next Nexus, there will be a storage bump somewhere in between then. I would NOT expect an announcement until they are nearly ready to ship, I would guess, I dunno, maybe around MWC. Not anytime soon though.

You have your opinions and you have your own unique way that you like to use your device. You're not wrong about anything. If this is a deal breaker, nobody can tell you you're wrong. However, I'm a "power user" by every definition of the word, and I don't use lots of mobile data, yet my 16GB HOX exceeds my storage capacity by a long shot. I rely on the cloud a lot, but that's where I want to keep my files anyway for easy syncing.

If you really like the N4 but need more storage, my suggestion (if possible) is to buy one from a brick and mortar retail store (if they sell them there) and use it for a while with automatic cloud backups: g+/picasa for pictures, Box for movies, Drive or Skydrive for docs, Dropbox for nandroids, and Google Music for... um.. I can't remember what I use google music for... :p

Sync on WiFi only by default.

You may be surprised by how little storage you really need. Or you'll hate it just as much as before. If it's the later, return it before the return window closes. Worst case scenario, if you can't return it, then sell it, and bite the loss... considering it's only $299/349, you won't be throwing away too much money.
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
I haven't seen that.

Honestly I'd still rather a Nexus device with a 720p, still a sick PPI and less pixels means the S4 doesn't work as hard pushing pixels as it does being awesome.
[Nexus 4 General] :
you sir, ARE wrong. lol... just stirring the pot at this point, please don't take me too seriously:p
[Nexus 4 General] rmp5s:
I thought the same thing when I bought my Nexus 7. I thought "it's mostly pics and videos that takes up space and, with no camera on the Nexus 7, 8GB will be plenty." Well...no...it's not. I have to clean house constantly to keep enough space free.

I'll never get anything smaller than 16GB again.
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/17/htc-j-butterfly-htl21-440ppi/
[Nexus 4 General] LiViD:
I didn't want to be a Debbie-Downer when I read up on this device, but why oh why did LG have to get the contract to make the next Nexus branded phone? I absolutely hated my experience with the Optimus LTE (P930) and it completely killed my faith in LG being a reputable phone manufacturer. The P930 was a pain in the ass to root, and still lacks a lot of developer support.

With that being said, I hope the Nexus 4 isn't as crippled as the Optimus LTE.
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
This is a Nexus device with an unlocked bootloader....you are talking apples and oranges here. This will be the most developed device to date.
[Nexus 4 General] Hoezack:
Storage not an issue. Just get Google drive.
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
Once again the N7 is a TABLET, Not a PHONE. :good:
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
I still use my Samsung Galaxy S with 8Gb's of storage. A quick check tells me that I have 3Gb's just sitting there, empty. I think I'll be fine with 8. I got the 16Gb N7 but that's a tablet, not a phone.
[Nexus 4 General] jaju123:
What stuff do you need to store on your phone? I have a nexus 7 for movies etc and a gaming pc for games... I have used maybe 200mb for apps on my phone and that's it. Stop hoarding stuff and delete it when you've finished watching or whatever.

Also saying this is only a decently specced phone is literally insane. This has the best processor on the market, the most RAM and one of the best screens. Most people in the world don't want so much storage or LTE. Most people in the world don't live where lte exists.

I don't think I even need to mention the price!
[Nexus 4 General] nikzDHD:
This is aimed at the "mass" market and to potentially eat into the oncoming wave of WP8 phones. 16GB is ample for the "mass" market, look at the iPhone, 16GB is probably it's biggest seller compared to the 32GB/64GB versions.

At this price point it's a high end phone for a mid range price. Let's compare similar devices out there for the time being, top of my head I can think of the HTC One S, HTC One XL (LTE version in some countries), etc that come on board with only 16GB of storage and they are probably higher priced than the N4 if buying sim free brand new.

At this price point we can't complain about the lack of LTE, which is useless in the UK anyway, and lack of storage for under £300 notes its doing an Amazon trying to lure in as many new customers as it can and hit them with the Playstore.

Evidentially with the release of Google Music to more countries Google is pushing towards a cloud solution, BUT there is a BIG BUT, this is only viable for those who have unlimited data as those on data limits can't make use of the cloud solutions to it's full extension.

But for the mass this is a decent phone at a cutting edge price with cutting edge hardware. And will remain so for the next 5-6 months until we get the next cutting edge technology but at higher prices than the N4.
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
Exactly.
[Nexus 4 General] Reviewers:
I stopped reading the thread when I seen "decent processor, decent amount of RAM"

You could change "Decent" to "Amazing".

What other phone besides the Nexus 4 has a Quad Core w/ 2GB RAM? Mater fact what phone has more than 2GB's of RAM?
[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
Music, some videos or movies for the kids, nandroid backups, pics and videos taken from the phone, documents and books, and games. For $400 it had better hold it all! Don't tell us we need to deal with small storage when the storage is so cheap! And don't say cloud storage, that's not an acceptable alternative. I have my 16gb internal, and my 16gb ad almost filled on my amaze. You're sounding like apple. Even they when will sell you a phone with 64gb storage If you want it.
[Nexus 4 General] androidaddict23:
Google are starting look at us like mushrooms keep us in the dark and feed us plenty of sh@ I have to agree with when heard lg was making the phone I was plenty worried after the T-Mobile g2x debacle which I left T-Mobile over that and want to Verizon. Hoping the nexus 4 would free me of my expensive monthly bill,but a 8g and 16g change my mind guess I'll stay with Verizon and use my upgrade on a galaxy note 2
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
2GB of ram on STOCK android. Sure the Gs3 and the Note2 have them, but they need that about, for all the bloatware sammy installs
[Nexus 4 General] Reviewers:
It's insane how people use over 16gbs on there phones.

What do you want? 32gbs of pr0n on your device or something?
[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
I wish nexus devices at least offered this storage options.
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
As mentioned above, they hoard. Gigabytes upon gigabytes of episodes they've already watched, and random music they don't really listen to.
[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
There's not an ounce of porn on my phone. Just music, videos and stuff to entertain the kids. I want to not worry about having to pick and choose what I have to delete, just to add something else..
[Nexus 4 General] Plexicle:
First of all, it's not $500.

Second of all, why do you have "some videos and movies for the kids" on your phone, anyway? If they're always playing with your phone for content consumption, it might be time for a cheap tablet. If they absolutely have to use your phone for some reason, then you can still fit PLENTY of movies on 16GB. Don't bs me and tell me you can't because I know you can.

Second of all, I'm not "sounding like Apple." I'd probably buy 64GB if it was available, but that's only because I know it would retain a higher resell value. I don't need much storage. I have a 16GB S3 with a 32GB SD card and I haven't touched the SD card and I still have 10GB left on flash. I'm also a power user and developer, part of a group. I deal plenty with backups. How many nandroid backups do you have saved at once? Stop it. You don't need that many.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
I thought a lot of people on xda weren't mass market. Oh well. Waaahh.

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[Nexus 4 General] loveableterrorepic4g:
Seriously? I own a GNex and I love it! I hated the lack of Micro SD too... at first. 16 GB is more than enough. Seriously. I had a Moto Atrix, it was nice but the size and lack of support sucked. The new Nexus will be the exact same as the GNex... Filled with developers and lots of love
[Nexus 4 General] stratax:
I listen to a lot of music and typically I would have more than 10gb of music on my phone but 16gb on android you only get around 11gb accessible to you which is crap. after have so many phones with only 16gb you get used to it though
[Nexus 4 General] Reviewers:
Just purchase a Gauntlet Node for $99.99 and plug a 2.5" Hard Drive and connect it via WiFi.

My Nexus 4 will have 1TB.
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
Now you're storing with power!

I can't really chime in too much here, since I'm setting up an 8tb NAS box in my closet (for no good reason. I just love building things). The stuff I bring with me on the go should limbo below that ~16gb bar.
[Nexus 4 General] ofteno:
This

Why would someone need 10 gb of music? You listen everything? I barely use 2 gb for music and i don't even listen everything i got

Sent from Holy Terra using CM10 for Atrix
[Nexus 4 General] frigidazzi:
I think what he means is that there's already another phone out with the same thing. Where as back in the nexus one days the 1ghz Snapdragon in it was the only one and fastest for several months.
[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
Typo on price I was rounding up to $400. Who are you to tell me what I don't need on my phone? I know your not really doing that, but it comes across that way.That's like saying that your car only needs to hold you and your kids, but a cheap one seater for your wife to follow you around in, or that your car should be limited to 65mph since that's all most states let you go anyway. I do have a cheap tablet for them, and sometimes they forget it or forget to charge it at inconvenient times. I also keep all my music on it since I never know what I'mgoing to jw in the mood for. It's just my opinion that we should not have to settle for less than 32gb in this day and age. The price is good on the phone for 16gb of storage, I just wish they offered more.
[Nexus 4 General] _guzzler_:
I think the only reason everyone is ok with non removable battery and less storage is price.

This thread would have been the top if the phone was priced at 599 and 649 for 8 gb and 16 gb.

Again i dont fill up 4gb on my sd card so dont want more storage. But just making a point.
[Nexus 4 General] chrstphrbrnnn:
I can understand how people would want 32, but it hardly translates to a google fail. It would have been a fail with only an 8gig, but I think 16 is pretty standard for most people.

Honestly, with this price you can buy 2 N4s, or an N4 and an N7 for the price of most other smartphones (with worse specs) lol.
[Nexus 4 General] frigidazzi:
To everyone telling this guy to use a camera, or PlayStation, ect and not use their phone for everything. Let me ask you. What do you need a phone this powerful for if all you're going to do is make calls, text and web browse? I thought the whole point of super phones was to do all of this?

I agree about the storage for all of the same reasons, but I'm still going to get the N4 and make the storage work and micromanage like I have to do on the GN as well because of the support it has. I'm having a had time believing that all of the people suggesting cloud storage as an alternative actually use it on a regular basis for more than docs and other super small files or else you would know why people have a problem using it all of the time. That or you have a constant wifi connection.

/rant off

Anyways, that said I'm super excited for this phone!
[Nexus 4 General] snowmanwithahat:
Delete this thread, it's pointless....
[Nexus 4 General] rjmpires:
DELETE :good:
[Nexus 4 General] setspeed:
Yeah, and I could buy two 24" TVs for the price of a 48". Problem is that I don't want two 24" TVs.
[Nexus 4 General] setspeed:
If you think it's pointless then don't read it. Apparently eleven pages worth of people have found something to say. No one is forcing you to join in.
[Nexus 4 General] mrbkkt1:
People forget....this is a developer phone.

All the hardware needed for developing apps.

I too hate, the lack of sd and non removable battery, but it's much more feasible for developers to buy a few of these instead of a bunch of full price sg3's.

The price point is more meant for them, we are just lucky they are offered to the public at "wholesale" price.
[Nexus 4 General] pgjensen:
All aboard the Fail Boat.
[Nexus 4 General] dbgeek:
Not to mention the fact that even Apple has figured out that 8GB simply isn't enough storage and sunset that option, in their phones.
[Nexus 4 General] nikzDHD:
The 8GB will appeal to new smartphone adopters. At such a low price point it's trying to bring in new types of customers. Heck a lot of people I know who buy phones don't even fully use them to their potentials, have hardly any apps, etc. So its a good price point for new Android adopters and setting them up for the future phones. That's the way I see it.
[Nexus 4 General] rican408:
Omg this is sooo true. Then again I don't really use more than 8 gigs.... if battery would last I wouldn't need to remove it... and I haven't had lte yet since I'm on sprint so hspa+ would be a vast improvement over what I have... for me its a no brainer. I'm getting one.

Still It should have had lte, I'm hesitant about the glass back (iphone 4 fagileness) but for the price its awesome.
[Nexus 4 General] PhillyCheez:
8GB is all I need on a phone.

The rest is on a NAS in which everyone should own anyways.

Make your own cloud.
[Nexus 4 General] samarth1:
Not only this, but they're also addressing the android fragmentation by circumventing the carriers and their slow updates and enticing people to jump onto the latest version that android has to offer on cutting edge hardware. For such individuals, and the majority of the general public are these kind of individuals, 8 and 16GB are more than enough. It is all about what is a viable compromise in the race towards price point. I wouldn't fault Google for one second for choosing 8 and 16GB of flash storage. I would certainly find fault if they equipped the Nexus 4 with a subpar screen, an underpowered processor, or inadequate RAM.
[Nexus 4 General] raze599:
Actually nobody I know uses more than 16GB.

My cousin has the Sony Xperia, that little mini one. She told me that she doesnt know why she bought this phone because all she needed to do was call and text. You'll find there are many people like this around. This is the market Google is targeting with the 8GB.

The 16GB market is the people accustomed to smartphones but not necessarily the people who store lots of content locally.

Although it would be nice/necessary for some people to be able to purchase a 32/64GB version, people who require this much space are very much in the minority when it comes to content storage on mobile phones. Tablets are designed for this kind of thing. The Nexus 10 comes with 32GB right from the start. For this use it is a better device in every aspect. Bigger screen and higher resolution among a whole list of things.

The mass market doesnt store much content on their phones. They may have a few apps, few games, bit of music, but the majority will be saved on other devices. Personally I dont know anyone who stores episodes/films on their phones. I couldn't watch a film on a screen that small anyway.
[Nexus 4 General] theoneofgod:
You can imagine if Google wanted a device with a 13mp camera, the greatest screen, nfc, etc, AND a large internal memory + sd slot. Why would you buy any other device? It would kill the market. As always, Google give you a choice. Either storage, or Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] StrizzMatik:
GNex battery sucks? Funny, my stock GSM battery lasts me a good 12+ hrs on one charge.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] Plexicle:
12 hours of what? Screen-on time? Talk time?

12 hours of "average" use is pretty bad. Just wondered what you meant by 12+ hours.
[Nexus 4 General] otariq:
Decent processor and decent ram? Ur kidding right? Pretty sure there are only 2 other phones with 2gbs of ram how much more do u need? And this is the first s4 pro phone basically ur getting the best of the best hardware for an amazing price and I don't care for removable battery as I like the back glass and 2100mah is a lot and with tweaks and custom roms it'll easily give u a full day of life. Sd card is the only problem that I can think of and it doesn't even matter to me I only have 8gb of music. You're never going to find a perfect phone but this is pretty much the best it gets right now
[Nexus 4 General] Xelstyle:
Yeah, that's what I'm seriously wondering.

Then again, I do enjoy my SUPER-ULTRA X+ UBERSAUCE Nexi with 923859GB Ram and the Charizardv2.14 Processor.

The best phone IMO.
[Nexus 4 General] frigidazzi:
You're right. Most people don't need 16+GB on their phone. But then why does Samsung include an SD card slot and bigger options of internal storage on their flagship phones then?

Also, you can't carry around a N10 in your pocket. And if you could then you would have to buy two devices when some people would have been fine with 1 device (with more storage). I have a KF and a N7, but hardly use either. Everything is on my phone and always with me. Games and stuff are on my phone. Not all data is synced a crossed devices, which is enough of a headache to make me not want to use multiple devices. And for me personally if I'm going to just browse the internet/you tube at home like a lot of people do on a tablet (which is fine) then I would personally prefer to use my PC or Google TV. All of which are on an even bigger screen.
[Nexus 4 General] abjexstallion:
All i can say about it all is this: Google is supposed to have THE flagship phone, instead of a native-OS Android Phone. Compare this Nexus with the E973 from LG. Same phone, except for 13MP camera, instead of 8. The storage side, 32GB should be added, but this phone was only for marketing reasons, and it's going to work for them. Now, how is that these companies don't show off by producing a bad-ass, state of the art device, instead, they just implemented a android native-system(which is, by far, simple and superior to any UI out there, IMHO) on an existent used hardware? I'm not saying it's a bad phone, I'm just saying that, i'd rather buy the Optimus G, rooted it, install a AOSP or AOKP ROM, and just switch the back cover, for the Nexus 4, and it's a better nexus, more storage and a better camera
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
People are also forgetting how efficient Krait is. There are also many optimizations within Android that do a fabulous job preserving battery. If youre one of those that runs full screen brightness and watches video after video you may want to keep a power source near you though if you want 12+ hours/day of such usage.