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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borich:
News!

if you watch the users manual here: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...rame=N&application_id=594507&fcc_id='ZNFE960' you can see that fm radio is mentioned as usable. This not means that it will be present out of the box, because is also mentioned sd card slot (probably is a readapted manual from OG) but is possible that it's present (hidden) like in the nexus one.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FISKER_Q:
Nothing has changed, as you said yourself it's obviously just re-adapted from the LG Optimus G manual.

There won't be any official FM Radio support, the only thing we can hope for, which we won't find out until we have the device itself, is that the chip and antenna is still wired up.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d4c:
Lol :D
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mfenetre:
Well, then, fingers crossed.

We'll know soon, since the N4 will be released in a few days only.

Let's hope, even if Google doesn't care about FM radio (which is a shame), that the wiring is still there.

Anyway, if that's the case (from a hardware point of view), you can count on Mikereidis (dev. of Spirit FM app) to bring FM radio. This guy was the first to bring FM radio for the Samsung Galaxy SII with CyanogenMod 9. He didin't promise anything, but he delivered, and quite quickly ;) I gladly bought the paid version of his app. This guy rocks !
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raikesy:
Truth is, FM radio is on it's way out (at least here in the UK). The plans were to switch it off in 2015, but only if 50% of the population had moved to digital radio. So my point is, FM isn't going to be around for much longer, and I imagine the inclusion of a chip that supports DAB would add a fair amount to the cost of the handset?

I agree that the use of internet radio is prohibitive for some, but then again the availability of WiFi hotspots is on the increase, and if you are at work there is the possibility of using a PC for internet radio (not for everyone, obviously)

Personally I use Tunein when needed, not much though, and plug into the PC when in work at my desk.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vido.ardes:
A little off topic, but I can't see them switching of FM radio in the UK inside the next 10 years. There are literally tens of millions of cars on the road with FM radios, and no-one has any inclination to upgrade, especially when you have a fitted dash and not one you can just pop out of the dash.

On topic, for whatever reason Google intentionally hardware disabled FM in the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus despite both reference phones (Galaxy S and Galaxy S II) having it enabled. I can't see this trend changing, I hope it does, but I am not optimistic. My Tech breakdown thread includes it because for now, all I have to go on is what chips are in it and what they support, and from a chipset point of view it supports it (it also supports LTE freq, but that is another story). If and when we find out it is disconnected, I will update the breakdown.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LenAsh:
Indeed only this week the UK government has stated that the FM Analogue transmissions will continue way beyond 2015. Partly due to the fact that the awful DAB radio has had a relatively low take-up so far.

No worries then, and long may we be spared the hideous and cynical need to just use streamed radio and suffer either high data charges and/or poor cell coverage.

In any case, the UK represents a small portion of smartphone sales and the desire/need for an integrated FM radio in some regions is far higher and even less likely to be phased out anytime soon...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ross1998:
dang it, i was hoping it would cause most chips from qualcomm have fm radio.

Yeah even thought there is internet radio, not everybody has data plan, also i have t-mobile with 5gb data plan but i would rather have auctual fm radio cause internet radio is uasally 5-10 seconds behind, also I live in seattle where i get hspa+ 42 almost everywhere but there are many people that even thought they pay for data they have edge or no service in alot of areas.

So i would rather have fm radio support via fm chip
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maverickg:
i use Tunein and love it. apart from the data issue sometimes i get a "for contractual reasons" message meaning i can't listen which is why i'd like the phone to have FM
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
Tune in pro gives very high battery drain on HOX - I hope its phone specific and works better on N4.

Ie. Streaming spotify at 320 extreme quality uses Much more data, yet offers double the battery life compared to tune in pro.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deltatux:
TuneIn is better only when you have a large data plan or have a stable data connection.

FM radio just works. Ever since I went Android from my old Nokia XM5800, it's one of the missed features but not a deal breaker so far...

deltatux
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MN_Bug:
FM radio? Really? What the heck, are we still in the 90's?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
What's wrong with radio? :/
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MN_Bug:
I guess for extreme emergencies but other than that I can't think of a reason you'd want to limit yourself to the stations in your city with apps like TuneIn out there. The amount of data it uses is really not that much. Seems like not having an FM radio is just not worth caring about.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jacklebott:
FM radio for extreme emergencies? :what:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MN_Bug:
Like if the Zombie apocalypse happens and power in your house goes out and you need to hear the government broadcasting over FM radio where the safe zone is.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borich:
In my opinion, fm radio, should to be on every device.

Almost all chipset support it.

Doesn't ruin performance.

Doesn't drain batteries.

Works in place where there is no signal.

In italy, for example, there is a lot of quality radio station.

why i should renounce at it?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
Tune in doesn't just receive radio stations in my area.

It can tune in to worldwide radio stations.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marsux:
Hello,

I would like a FM tuner in Nexus 4 too..

On the french LG website : lg.com/fr/telephones-mobiles/lg-Nexus-4/technical-specifications , specifications show a FM tuner with RDS in audio section.

"Radio FM / RDS Oui / Oui"

(Sorry, I am new in this forum so I can't post outside links.)

So, if google is selling this version, we can hope the FM tuner will be hardware ready, no ? :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LenAsh:
From a country that still uses NTSC for TV....

Read ALL the cases for and against and then make your own case instead of throwing small-mindedness around - it's called "contributing" that way.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borich:
maybe is an error. On .uk and .de it's not mentioned...:(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MN_Bug:
Dude chill. People are complaining about a high tech piece of equipment not having a "feature" that you can't even buy at Best Buy other than an "emergency" radio.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexusDro:
For those who said that they would rather use the tune in app than FM radio, don't most of these radio stations come from actual FM/AM radio stations?

Does your car not have a radio or have you not seen a majority of cars have one?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deltatux:
Yes, most if not all radio stations available on TuneIn Radio are just Internet streams of the FM/AM broadcasts. It's just simulcasted (plus applicable latencies).

deltatux
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d.terenzzo:
No, We are in 2012 and 2013 is just about.

I like FM radio, and if you don't , I'm sorry, you should show some respect for people preferences.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mfenetre:
I checked the australian version, it wasn't mentioned either... But indeed it appears on the French version of the LG website.

But it looks like the actual info displayed on each page (for each country with its own LG website) isn't really the same: not the same categories, some versions display very few characteristics, others are very detailed, so who knows...? Let's hope that it means that the hardware capability is here.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Panos_dm:
You can buy this and get it over with. :D
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 121C4:
Or this if you are worried about natural disasters. At least it will work after your phone battery runs out:D:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S96PPVGBRA0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xalies:
If you want a FM radio in your phone and are to cheap to stream... don't buy a nexus, simple... No nexus before did, the current one does not so why would future ones have one (Nexus One had it disabled by default so that counts as none)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Struck89:
1 MB/min when on 128kbps (128kbps*(1kB/8kb)*(60s/1min)=960kB/min)

So one hour of FM is 60MB. If you have 350... That's less than a total of 6h a month (and you won't have internet left for anything less)

No, we are in the era of:

1 day --> battery drained

1 year --> battery dying

2 years --> Battery replaced

When we depend so much on batteries, a data plan for listening to the radio, is just wasting it, and killing it faster.

1hour=60MB is not that much???

Well, I have 300MB, and I plan to move to a 1GB data plan.

Let's take my FM habits:

1h 30' per day of radio (public transport, I'm not in my car)

5days per week

4 weeks per month:

90min/day*1MB/min*20days/month=1800 MB, 1.8GB

Oh yes, I would have a problem, the 36% of your monthly data plan would go to... just listening to the radio! Holy crap!

Not to talk that with my future 1GB plan, I would be able to listen to the radio only half of the month, and I wouldn't have data to do anything else.

OHH, yes it is!

When you have the option built-in in a chip, and you disable it, you are doing EVIL. You are looking for the benefit of the carriers!!! Gigs and gigs "wasted"!... So we need BIIIGGER data plans! Excellent!!

I have my desire's screen broken. And this may be a deal killer. I am planning to look for cheap and clumsy little FM tuners to get rid of this.

I am not willing to spend 500€ on a high-end mobile phone to get that "90's feature".

Have a nice day, bye
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] downwiththebanksters:
Interesting take on this is that clearly goog wasn't targeting the dying empire with this phone due to the lack if an LTE radio. Most of us in the rest of the world don't even have access to the play store for whatever content they hope to sell, as the copyright issues won't allow sales outside of the dying empire. The Nexus is also touted, or at least implied to be, a developers phone which should mean flexible open hardware. No FM, plus anemic storage doesn't work for the rest of the world, let alone internet rich areas with data caps. You can't even see the usual excuse of being in bed with carriers as they are going around them. What gives here?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mfenetre:
Well, thanks for the suggestion, but it's a bit bulky, compared to a hardware feature that is included inside the phone, for a few cents. Even if Google doesn't want to make software for it, please don't deactivate the hardware!

---------- Post added at 02:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:32 PM ----------

I understand that nobody forces me to buy a device with no FM capability whereas others on the market do have it. But the question for me isn't really there. It's rather, why would they deactivate/not include the FM hardware capability in the Nexus line? It costs almost nothing and is widely used all over the world !

On the contrary, it does count. All I care about is the hardware capability, because that is either there or not. If there is no official software support, well, no big deal, I'll just wait for Mikereidis to work his magic ;) (dev of Spirit FM app)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borich:
Now is only a question of time.

When the nexus will arrive to the first customers i hope that someone will try spirit fm and do a log.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VoiD_Dweller:
Just get sirius xm :P
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yarglo:
=> lgblog.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Fiche-produit-Nexus-4.pdf

I didn't find the english pdf, but that one says "Radio FM => Yes / RDS => Yes"

But "spec could be changed" ...

Yarglo.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mfenetre:
Thanks for the link.

I posted a comment on the blog post linking the manual: http://www.lgblog.fr/2012/10/29/le-nexus-4-arrive-chez-lg, asking whether FM radio was indeed included or not. My comment is currently awaiting moderation.

http://www.lgblog.fr/2012/10/29/le-nexus-4-arrive-chez-lg/#comment-85090
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coloxim:
But if i want TO listen the radio I've to spend more battery with data connections and tune in....Google make a stupid choise..

Inviato dal mio Galaxy Nexus con Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ashirviskas:
YESS!! :D :)

Hello Hal,

The product has good FM receiver, by cons, since it does not overlay or LG operator, it will give you an application "FM Radio" from the "Play Store" to take full advantage of this service .

To use the application you will need to connect a wired headset that will flow FM reception.

(french: Bonjour Hal, Le produit possède bien un récepteur FM, par contre étant donné qu’il ne dispose pas de surcouche LG ou opérateur, il faudra vous procurer une application « Radio FM » auprès du « Play Store » afin de profiter pleinement de ce service. Pour pouvoir utiliser l’application il vous sera nécessaire de connecter un casque filaire qui permettra la réception du flux FM.) :)))))
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nerd_bloke:
Which app exactly? There only seems to be one; it has limited support for a couple of Motorola handsets...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ashirviskas:
It was not written by me, i just copied the response from french LG page :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borich:
spirit fm, for example;)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mfenetre:
Well, thanks for the translation, you were quicker than me!

If that's true, that's very good news. The reply is a bit vague about the FM application but clearly states that th FM hardware capability is there, so :cool:

Now, we're waiting for confirmation with a test with Spirit FM (once someone will have received the actual device that is ;)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Struck89:
I am not that optimistic...

Think a little bit. Here you know everything about any mobile phone. This community has plenty of experts. None said the radio actually existed.

Just a guy, in a FRENCH (LG's, that's true) blog has said something else.

What we have:

- People saying that the Nexus line hasn't any FM capabilities, including then Nexus 4

- A french blog giving away a sheet of specs, and a guy confirming those, and stating that an additional app is necessary...

Sorry, my vote goes to believe that the spec sheet was copypasta of a previous model, changing only what it is known, and the guy behind had no idea.

I'm praying to be wrong.

(Sorry 4 my engrish)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikereidis:
Telephone tech support people have been known to say "Yes, FM Radio, see Google Play" when they are talking about streaming apps. There are quite a few streaming apps with FM in their name and it's easy for less technical people (ie average tech support people, LOL.) to be confused.

And there are instances of carriers such as AT&T taking a Samsung Galaxy S2 PDF for the gT-i9100 International version, and using it for their version, which is FM castrated.

BUT... I wouldn't be too surprised if LG sold a different FM enabled version of the Nexus 4 direct to customers, or to carriers who want it (IE those outside North America).

And yeah, we might get lucky as the Nexus One (almost HTC Desire) owners did, and find that a simple kernel change allowed enabling the FM. Or better yet, just root or complete stock to really dream.

Anyway, I'll be quite happy if we can FM enable the N4 and I'll get one as soon as I can if so.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borich:
I'll be quite happy too;)

anyway, could you post the question, with an how to guide, in one of the post "here it is, firt impression..."?

thanks
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Damstas:
Now that people have got their hands on the Nexus 4 devices, could someone confirm that you can use FM radio, like Spirit FM from the Play store?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borich:
seems like no one is interested.

i asked in 2 post of first impression but...no answers:(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] munkustrap:
I did it as well. Seems I have to do it myself when my device arrived...10 days from now maybe.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] @home:
Maybe cause most of us are awaiting our devices on backorder:crying:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borich:
thanks in advance;)

watch the bright side. I live in Italy and google doesn't have play store here. So Lg will sell nexus. At 550 euro. Maybe at the end of december. :crying: (i'll buy it in another country...i hope.)

Anyway good luck with your order.;)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scutworker:
I'd love to know if it has an FM radio too.

If somebody who has one could try Spirit.FM and see if it works.

There's a free version in this thread: (link on the very first line).

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1059296

Ta.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Struck89:
They do sell it in spain for 350€ (16GB) or 300(8GB)

You may find someone in this forum from spain who helps you. (you should trust him, that's right ;) )

Now they are out of stock.

Have luck!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jambondelpais:
I am sorry but radio fm doesn't work with the nexus 4 (spirit fm radio, or anything).

:(

Jambon
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mfenetre:
I guess you did an actual test with a Nexus 4? First of all, thanks ;)

The fact that Spirit FM does not work out of the box on the Nexus 4 was expected (I guess). The goal was to grab some logs within the app: Menu > Email logs so the app developer could see if at least the hardware is here. Could you please do that ?

I have the paid version of the app, I'm not sure that this menu is available on the free app, could someone check please ?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borich:
it's present.;)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jambondelpais:
I sent the email ... now we just have to wait and see !
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mfenetre:
Thanks for the test, we appreciate it!

I let the app developer Mike know with a quick message on his XDA thread: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=34218730&postcount=4847

Now we just have to wait & see ;) Is the hardware there or not ?....
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikereidis:
As posted in my thread, though I added/moded some stuff:

It looks like everything we need is there, EXCEPT for the FM driver(s).

Now for the next test, one approach is for someone to run an Optimus G ROM (with FM app) on the Nexus 4 and see if that works. I have no idea if that can be done successfully, without bricking the phone, BTW, so don't attempt unless you know what you're doing.

Alternatively, someone could build and install a kernel that includes the WCN3660 V4L FM driver(s) for "radio-iris". The driver(s) aren't there in the kernel or as a loadable module. Hypothetically someone could just build a module or 2, but that's sure to have kernel signature problems. I'm saying "driver(s)" because in every other case there was a "radio-iris" driver in the kernel, and a loadable "radio-iris-transport" module that has to be loaded.

When somebody does one of the above, and if we see RSSI go up when tuned, and down when not, I'll get a Nexus4 ASAP, as I'll be convinced FM is possible.

If we get that far, audio will likely be working already if Audio-> Method is set to "HTC OneS/X/LTE ALSA". But even if not, the audio should be crackable; it's digital and uses the same paths as Bluetooth I think.

The audio seems to be the same WCD9310 (or 9304 ?) as in the HTC OneXL and most other Qualcomm S4 SOC based devices. Or at least it's rather similar; the ALSA control names match up. But there seem to be 424 controls there, as opposed to a mere 283. So maybe this is a compatible chip that does more.

Anyway, there are plenty of controls with FM in the name, so audio should not be an obstacle.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mfenetre:
Well, well, well, it looks like that even if the Nexus 4 doesn't support 4G, a LTE chip has been found in its internal hardware

Source: http://phandroid.com/2012/11/19/nexus-4-teardown-reveals-lte-chip-we-pine-for-what-could-have-been/

Extract :

In this case, I'm going to be pretty pissed off if they somehow deactivated or disabled the necessary hardware for FM (wiring for antenna ?) :p

Let's hope that this is good news!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikereidis:
I saw that too and agree.

I'm pretty sure it's the same board then for N4 and Optimus G.

There are likely a few cheap components needed, like a capacitor, resistor, and maybe a small inductor or 2.

If those were left off to "save a few pennies" it will almost seem vindictive, IMO.

I'm encouraged by the new activity in AOSP for FM: https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/46100/

Maybe we'll see official Google Android/AOSP support for FM at some point. I hope so...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mfenetre:
That would be pretty cool and would increase adoption and usage!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Quinny899:
I did a quick Google on stericsson and found their site providing GPS/Bluetooth/FM chips http://www.stericsson.com/products/gps-glonass.jsp probably not one in the Nexus 4, but I wonder if they're planning to branch out into mainstream android if they're adding this to the AOSP tree?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikereidis:
Optimus G uses Qualcomm WCD9310 for FM/BT/WiFi, and N4 is the same for BT/WiFi at least.

Unless/until Qualcomm builds a device specific plugin for that API, then I likely will. I'm planning Spirit2 now and I think I'll support the API.

But there is no guarantee this API will be adopted by other chip and phone OEMs any time soon, besides Sony and ST-Ericsson AFAIK.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FISKER_Q:
Any new discussions than the ones from a year or two ago?

Maybe you could check with one of the N4 developers if they could compile drivers for it (If kernel isn't too incompatible with the Optimus G drivers)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikereidis:
Not sure what you mean.

Feel free to ask them nicely; I don't even have this phone to test.

I could easily spend all day every day looking for devs to compile support into kernels to see if we can make FM work on many different Motorolas, LGs, Sonys, HTCs and Samsungs.

I'm focusing on my app development, and designing Spirit2, and I'll trust users and devs of various phones to help me by trying to figure out what phones may support FM and how to get it working.

BTW, I'm currently looking at the FM code in AOSP as a basis for Spirit2. I see Sony has a plugin for this chip named libfmradio.sony-iris.so for their Xperia T/TX/V, but it should work on other devices with the Qualcomm FM chip. Doesn't matter for Spirit1 though since I support WCN3660 more directly via V4L.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FISKER_Q:
As i recall there was a discussion going on about the implementation between Google and ST Ericsson? Just wondering if there were any new tidbits of information along those lines other than some dusty gerrit reviews :P

I'll be sure to ask when i finally get mine as well :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikereidis:
AFAICT, all such communications are private, other than review comments such as this one:

https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/46080/