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[Nexus 4 General] nikzDHD:
Because they are the manufacturer and they can put whatever they please in their own devices. As mentioned many many times Google has basically stopped using MicroSD cards on their phones hence why you will never see it on a Nexus device. There's even an article somewhere explaining why Google chose this route to avoid expansion cards. That doesn't mean OEMs need to jump on board with Google's views though. They are pushing for cloud.
[Nexus 4 General] frigidazzi:
Plus wireless charging. And the optimus has a locked boot loader doesn't it?
[Nexus 4 General] nikzDHD:
But installing AOSP/AOKP doesn't give you the full advantages due to the closed drivers on the native OEM phones.

At least with a Nexus device everything is tweaked to the hardware where as OEM phones, cameras are not as good on AOSP due to the drivers.

Classic example across the board, HOX for example Sense makes use of the image sense chip on the phone and you get some stunning shots, install AOSP and bang goes those stunning images.

Just an example.
[Nexus 4 General] abjexstallion:
I think they do... not sure if it's the HTC way...
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
Yeah ROM development will always be better on a Nexus device.
[Nexus 4 General] abjexstallion:
All they have to do for this is wait for LG to release the source code of the model... which companies really protect it.
[Nexus 4 General] samarth1:
Why do you need a 13MP camera on a mobile phone? Are you really saying that MP count = better image quality? How do you know the Nexus 4 won't have good image quality? Just because it has an 8MP sensor? Food for thought.

Also, the Optimus G costs considerably more than $300 for the exact same screen, processor, RAM, camera sensor, and battery. All the while running ICS 4.0.4. There is more to software than just buying an Optimus G and putting AOKP or CyanogenMod on it. It is never going to be as optimized as the Nexus 4. That's the whole reason why the iPhone 5 manages to last an entire day on LTE with its miniscule 1440mah battery, and its dual core 1.3ghz processor.
[Nexus 4 General] mrnovanova:
Lte is the deal breaker for me. I just upgraded from the gnex to the sgs3 and I would have gotten the nexus 4. No Lte though. I'll stay with my s3.
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
That's a good point, but for tmobile users and other international users LTE is pretty pointless.
[Nexus 4 General] frigidazzi:
I understand why Google doesn't have SD cards. My point was that if the mainstream doesn't need more than 16GB then why would the other most popular android phone (SGS3, 2 ect) have them if more storage is so pointless to most people since the Galaxy line sells to largely the masses that don't supposedly need it?
[Nexus 4 General] shadehh:
I dunno if it's me or others here really have too many things on their phones. But personally i haven't used this much storage, ever!

I'm probably going to only buy the 8 gb version although the 16 gb version would be more than perfect for my needs.

I usually just have music on it and when it comes to movies i don't really watch on my phone, games.. don't really care. I mainly use a phone for browsing, phone calls and sms (duh) and reading. Might transport movies on my phone to end up watching it on my notebook or tv but that's pretty much it. Once i've watched it i delete it.

Mhmmm.

But then again, for that price anyone should be able to sacrifice a little bit of storage for MUCH less MONEY
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
I have a very full 32gb sdcard in mine, but 80% of that is music which I dont need on device, but I paid for the space and am using it :D
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
That's not the point, Google does not want their devices to HAVE them, whereas Samsung DOES, HTC seems to be ambivalent about the subject. It's not about what Google think is mainstream or not, it is what they want to BE mainstream, and that is cloud storage.

Yeah I'm a sound snob so most of my 16GBs is taken up by FLAC versions of albums.
[Nexus 4 General] stretched:
If they could go full sd card size and not micro you could expand by 128gb. That would be fun..
[Nexus 4 General] lobr1:
I'm quite weird in that I don't listen to music, watch movies or play massive games on my phone. So 8GB will probably be fine for me. I just need space for a couple of podcasts, photos and app data.
[Nexus 4 General] Ehtishams:
16GB is quite enough but added support of SD card can come in handy for any odd scenario !!
[Nexus 4 General] Jeuwst:
You may all curse this guy for saying it out loud, but he does have a point. Despite the discussion a phone is for your entire life. Fact is that the nexus phone miss a thing or two every time. Rather it is the battery, camera, cpu/gpu or whatever there is always one thing that doesn't comes along with the competition. Ofcourse i think its a super phone with a good price/hardware combination but it still not a all competition crusher. Nevertheless I'm looking forward to having it in my hands!
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
58gb of FLACs and counting. 30+GB of mp3's and counting. I definitely listen to most of it. I am not asking for all of my music on my phone but it sure would be nice to have some variety.

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[Nexus 4 General] noobdeagle:
16 GB is fine for me i never use more than that anyway. as for lack of LTE doesn't bother me either most of the world uses GSM which makes it a better choice anyway and the FACT that its so cheap negates many complaints.

if it was a $700 phone then id be expecting EVERYTHING but its not, instead its the best value phone ever.
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
yeah but every phone has something to be desired, there is no "perfect phone"

I was about to say some of us like high quality music and when you deal with FLAC you go over 2gbs pretty damn fast.
[Nexus 4 General] pachi72:
I just love how everyone is all about the cloud...wait till the carriers start capping or throttling you all...
[Nexus 4 General] nikzDHD:
Guys why would you listen to FLAC music via a phones DAC? They are not the best things for uncompressed music. A high quality dedicated mp3 player would do a better job for FLAC than a phone.

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Yes this a big limitation especially here in the UK where most carriers still offer a measly 500mb on contract! Whilst good for those with unlimited data cloud is still not viable in locations with poor signal! Or whilst underground and such.
[Nexus 4 General] AwesomeTurtle:
Actually, I'm still waiting to see the fruits of all the complaints from throttle victims (I use "victims" pretty mockingly here). If history (and/or common sense) is any indicator, whining in forums does not lead to change.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
What's the big deal with LTE,

Only one UK provider has it, and the prices and data caps are disgusting

I'll stick to my unlimited H/3G connection.
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
FLAC is compressed, it's just lossless, even with my DAC, with my current EQ settings and my ATH M50s hooked up to my phone, I can very easily tell the difference even between 320CBR and FLAC.

MP3 is ok for some things, but if I am listening to like BT or something it has to be FLAC.
[Nexus 4 General] LiViD:
It's not exactly Apples to Oranges as the G and the Nexus 4 share the same internal hardware. No one has yet to confirm the existence of an unlocked bootloader and I wouldn't put it past LG to believe that it would be locked, regardless if the device is made for a pure Android experience.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Some phones/tablets do FLAC nicely and is still way better than MP3. Some don't notice the difference at first especially music like hip hop or synthesized music but after a few minutes most are hearing something noticeably better, especially music with real instruments. Also, somebody like me streams my files to my receiver which does ANY music file quite nicely. Trying to get rid of some cables and accessories. A 32gb phone would help. My gtab2 now with 64gb SD card is a lot more useful for music especially with the Wolfson 1811 inside, streaming or not.

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[Nexus 4 General] Killer_Queen:
This talk of the Nexus 4 actually got me thinking; what do you guys think about the lack of SD support?

Given I've read articles explaining just why they shy away from including it in their own devices, but frankly it just ends up limiting the end users ability to have physical copies of their files on the go. It's the entire reason I ended up getting a SII instead of a GN and makes me hesitant to pick up any future Nexus device.
[Nexus 4 General] ctfrommn:
This is NOT LG's device....they dictate nothing here. It was built for Google with their specs. Not having a locked bootloader is the very definition of a Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] nikzDHD:
Been discussed read back a few pages.

For the masses it won't be a problem at all.

For the minority it will.

That's where manufacturer phones will come to play. Want a SD card support buy another Android handset.

Want pure stock Google buy a Nexus.

But like I said for the majority of normal consumers it won't matter. 16GB should be ample.
[Nexus 4 General] Killer_Queen:
While I do agree that most consumers will be fine with the 16GB model (even if a few wished it had external memory), the 8GB model is just a confusing option given by Google.

I know that many mid ranged smartphones often have the same or less internal storage, but they normally come with SD support in addition. My music library is a modest 3GB, which means that if I wanted to include all of my music then I'd have about half of my internal storage left for app data, pictures and movies. It's just an odd choice on Google's part that they did things this way instead of announcing a 32GB model right off the bat (even though this is the same strategy they used for the Nexus 7).

In summary I do agree that consumers have plenty of options for SD support from other mobile manufacturers, but if the Nexus devices are to shun it then they should have higher internal storage instead. I'm not that media centric myself, but I know that many people are ;).
[Nexus 4 General] theoneofgod:
16GB is fine here. I use 320kbps cbr mp3s, and that is even with my Onkyo/Dali hifi. Sounds fine to me. FLAC's are just too large.
[Nexus 4 General] NardVa:
I'm disappointed at 16GB Max storage. I wish it was 32GB internal or the option for a sd card, but for 350 it's still a good deal.
[Nexus 4 General] Drebin 894:
You also must realize that even if 16GB isn't enough, Google is pushing for people to move all their stuff to the cloud. In a world where there is almost constant reception to not only internet, but also LTE and high speed internet, the chances are you will be able to get at everything you own quickly and without much hassle. I think they made a smart choice, and besides, I would never be able to fill 16GB.
[Nexus 4 General] :
LAME! I'm on verizon. Guess ill go with iPhone or note 2 it at least has LTE which is fooking sad.:mad:
[Nexus 4 General] Deggy:
How about this guys. Buy the lg optimus g which has the specs but with lte and SD card slot... and deal with the skin and locked boot loader.

Deal with it.
[Nexus 4 General] setspeed:
Someone who spends almost three hours a day travelling by train, and doesn't want to spend every single night managing files on their phone? Once a week is enough hassle for some people, thanks.
[Nexus 4 General] jhonny20041433:
I wish it had a higher ppi, but will have to check it out in person. I'm getting sick of being able to see the pixels on my S3, hurts my eyes too much at nights when reading.
[Nexus 4 General] nbeebe24:
I really hope all these people whining about storage are not adults. Google knew exactly what they were doing when they made the decision and I highly doubt an army of cry babies will change that. This is the real world, and sometimes you can't just get everything you want. Go buy another phone if you're not satisfied with what they're offering and then go grow a set
[Nexus 4 General] synace:
USB OTG + microSD?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1790397
[Nexus 4 General] jhonny20041433:
16GB is not much though.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
PPI has nothing to do with it,

Next time - don't buy a pentile display.
[Nexus 4 General] jhonny20041433:
Oh I hope this is true. I've been thinking I have some super powerful eyes here.
[Nexus 4 General] theoneofgod:
It's true though. Buy a 64GB usb stick and a £1.50 OTG cable. Fill it with movies and whatever else, and be happy.
[Nexus 4 General] mrnovanova:
True! However it does support dual-cell hspa 42mbps.
[Nexus 4 General] the1dynasty:
I was gonna consider buying this phone especially with the awesome price point... but i was really hoping it had at least 8TB of space... i travel with 17 desktops on me and this would be a great storage alternative... /sarcasm

Its a phone people and last i checked it's a developer phone aka not realty for the masses... this would be the justification for 8gb version IMO... from personal experience... my 2year old NS4G with 16GB and JB 4.1.2 outperforms my friends iPhone 4S in a lot of areas... not sure how this phone is a fail if its still comparative to a phone that came out 2 years after it... it even has nfc which even the iPhone 5 doesn't have... sure i could have a better camera or more RAM... but it's far from a failure...

Sick processor, sick screen, 2GB RAM, pure Google (I've seen GS3's running aosp and having well over 1.5gb of free RAM still available), 8mp camera, ideal 4.7" screen, etc... the only thing to really complain about here is no CDMA/LTE support and you can't even blame Google... thank sprint/Verizon for their proprietary radios for that one!!

This thread is a joke really...
[Nexus 4 General] montez.061-:
It's terrible... Fanboys can say what they want, Google can say what they want but the only reason for this is to get people to use the cloud based services they provide. But the phone has such a great price point that if you have unlimited data its probably best to just suck it up and buy a device to store music on separately.... I bought a white unlocked gnex for 300, I planned to give my HTC sensation away... But I can't!! I got a whole gnex worth of music on my sdcard and more on the internal memory on my sensation. But the pluses of having a nexus device make it worth it... So it's a personal choice and neither side will ever agree with the other... But I tell you what, I also bought a 8gb n7 for my son... What a waste of time. 3 games from the market was all it took my son to have the damn thing full... And that's a shame. I think every device should have an sdcard slot and I do regret buying the n7 but as far as my gnex I just got to get music from elsewhere until they fix that terrible Google Music app. But all that being said..... $300 shiiiiiiiiiiiiid IM THERE. But why are yall knocking the thread?? Man got a right to an opinion...
[Nexus 4 General] ste1164:
You can see pixels because the S3 is pentile. This phone is LCD I doubt you will be seeing pixels.
[Nexus 4 General] SIGUEL:
Thanks for saying it, putting “HIGH QUALITY" music to listen in a phone = FAIL

This is probably the same people that think that Beat Headphones are QUALITY AND THE BEST HEADPHONES for serious Audiophiles... SMH

SKYNET
[Nexus 4 General] mrnovanova:
It's funny how people are whining about storage and lack thereof ppi an connectivity. To be honest my biggest concern is the manufacturer. LG? Really? Didn't google just buy Motorola? What do you guys think of LG. I personally have never owned or been interested in an LG phone or product for that matter. What's your take on this?
[Nexus 4 General] killman2659:
I was agreeing with the OP at first, but then I noticed most of my music is in FLAC. If I covert to 320 MP3 then my issues are solved...I just wanna ditch my s2
[Nexus 4 General] bradsh1:
lol. what world is this? i would love to move to it. even in detroit tmobile "4g" isnt very fast for me OR reliable. sometimes pings up to 2 secs, sometimes speeds at like 50kbps.

not everywhere is like where you live, and for those of us who move around or drive a lot, streaming just IS NOT an option. data service on roadways and connecting freeways is nonexistent or completely blows. people who think streaming is an always on option in the USA are insane. 16GB is barely enough. even apple knows this. why is Google restricting things like this? Only to come out with a 32gb later like the N7?

Trying to force people to use your product in a certain way sounds a lot like a fruit oriented company I know
[Nexus 4 General] jhonny20041433:
haha doesn't anyone here use google music??

Music is the last of my worries when it comes to space. Large applications, navigation apps and those Gameloft games absolutely eats the space up on my S3, luckily that has an sd slot, so I am able to torrent and save my Camera Videos straight to the sd card. Hence why I can understand some people will want a sd card slot, but this price point is sooo good. It's a shame I would easily have payed £30 more if the phone came with a micro sd card slot.
[Nexus 4 General] the1dynasty:
This isn't comparable to Apple really... consider there fact there are hundreds of Android device options, nobody is "forcing" anyone to buy this device if they want Android... if you want iOS you have no choice over devices other than using an older model...
[Nexus 4 General] bradsh1:
unfortunately tmo users are the most like people not to have the ability to stream. if i even go inside a large building i lose signal.
[Nexus 4 General] tkgod:
Well, my feelings on the Nexus 4 are good with only a little hesitation. As far as the Nexus line being a failure, I don't believe that. The Nexus line, at least until recently, wasn't intended to be a mass marketed phone. Since outside of tech sites and the Google Play store the Nexus 4 isn't really much of a mainline phone. My understanding of the Nexus line was to show the state of pure Android and provide a baseline for development. My only issue with the Nexus 4 is the microSIM. As far as I know, miniSIM is still the standard right now. The move to this seems a bit arbitrary unless LG just couldn't get around it any other way. This isn't the first time Google made a goof like with the Nexus S lacking 720p recording thanks to the NFC chip being included. Otherwise, I look forward to buying this phone and the custom ROMs the development community will come up with.
[Nexus 4 General] nbeebe24:
Google isn't trying to force you to use anything in a certain way. The easiest solution is to just not buy it. Seriously guys, turn on the news. There is much bigger things happening than the lack of expandable storage. Maybe everyone complaining about not buying the phone can donate to the victims of the hurricane
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
The phone has USB OTG for a reason...
[Nexus 4 General] ynrozturk:
This thread is incredible.

Google provides us with a decked out Nexus phone with great specs starting at $300 and people are still complaining.

Guess what? You don't have to buy it.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] Yamizzolo:
Guys ADW has had a huge update! It has now holo design, ics layouts and damn it is SMOOTH! It also has tablet transition and it's very smooth even in free version. I think this could be the new standard for ics themed gingerbread roms! Try it its impressive!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_term=adw+launcher
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] TJ_Ahluwalia:
Thanks for sharing!
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] movrshakr:
Oh my goodness. Somebody please, quick, tell me how I can revert to the previous version!

This is a disaster on my phone. Google bar added to home screen (I didn't put it there, I don't want it, it is unremovable!). Takes up vertical real estate, along with the MUCH LARGER dock bar (and I can find no way to make that smaller either...arghhhh).

Those two things have reduced the real estate and jammed the icons together on the screen so the text on many is unreadable.

It is SLOWER than the previous version by far.

PLEASE I beg you; somebody tell me how to revert to the previous version which I LOVED. Do you have the previous version in a format that will allow it to be installed?

I have saved the following files from my dropbox folder:

org.adw.launcher-20120314-212145.tar.gz --only 5.02 KB though ?? Sep 2012

org.adw.launcher-20120314-212145.properties
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] zizibuba:
Jesus Christ! It is perfect. Are you that noobish? Everything is in the settings. I have no google bar and I made the dock smaller from settings.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] movrshakr:
Well, thank you for the smackdown.

No, not a newbie. No it is not perfect--that is your opinion, not a fact.

Then tell me how to get rid of Google bar; normal means do NOT give you the delete option.

I think you do not have the version I received in the update because there are NUMEROUS comments on Play market and one-star ratings about it. I seriously think you are running the next to current version which WAS nearly perfect (my opinion). The new version is a COMPLETE overhaul, which missed the mark. I believe this because EVERYBODY with the new version has the Google bar.

Mind telling how in settings you made it smaller (I don't mean fewer icons, I mean smaller in height.)

Thanks so much for your willingness to help people.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] Pseudonym:
It's all in there. Just go through all the settings! Are you that lazy? The google bar and even the smaller icons are all there! Sheesh what a complainer.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] movrshakr:
See atch for pic of home screen.

Why do you even read these boards if you are so high and mighty that if someone knows less than you, you berate them?

I have looked in the settings. In the new version, the options are completely different. What I have said is true. All you can do is complain about me having the audacity to ask for help on a help board.

You are a jerk.

If there is anyone reading who can contribute substantively, I would appreciate your help. I will not answer this jerk any more, so he will have the opportunity to take another low class shot at me, as I will not reply to an idiot.

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I also have the feeling that these people have not even seen the new version which came out today, and which is the one I am describing.

Oh, just noticed another change, the navigation dots left and right of the dock have disappeared.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] Pseudonym:
I'm just pissed coz the update was so good yet people complain. Anyways I'm gonna answer you're question

You can disable the Google bar in ADW Settings>Screen>Actionbar Design>Disabled

The Dock Icon Size is on ADW Settings>App Dock>Dock icons scale. (If that's what you meant)

Now tell me is that too difficult? Is it difficult to just experiment on the new settings? The developer put a lot of time in updating that app so please appreciate it.

And yes I'm a jerk. Thanks!

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And as for the new update is much slower thingy. Try ADW Settings>System>Advanced Settings>Keep in Memory off, Wallpaper Hack off and Scrolling cache disabled. Also turn off transitions if you want more speed.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 Themes and Apps] movrshakr:
Ah, actual help. Now I appreciate that. I had not found the Google bar control because I did not expect it to be labeled 'actionbar.' You are right; it is there and now disabled.

And for the Dock size, I was looking at the options called, ummmm, Dock Size. The 'scale' was off screen and I just flat missed it. See how easy it was just to tell me the answer?

I will now go check the other things mentioned for speed, which is noticeably slower than before.

LATER: OK changed all of those. When I backed out to the desktop screen, it was BLANK for about 5-10 seconds as it had been doing in this version, then populated. i.e., no change. That never happened in the previous version.

Help to find the navigation dots left and right of the dock, to get them back on?