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[Nexus 4 General] jonnyaztec:
The price ! £280 pretty much, i mean come on what do you expect ? If it had LTE, 1080p display, and all the things you mentioned it would be the price of a normal phone and would be epic in though but the price would not attract alot of people.

You cant really say its **** for £280, thats something people have been missing out in their reviews, if the phone was £500 then yeah you could say some of those things.

If you dont like it so much why just post a load of hate on a place where people are excited for this device !
[Nexus 4 General] jnewman1991:
You'll have about 12-13 GB to play with. My 16GB Galaxy S III had something like 12.6 to play around with.
[Nexus 4 General] EddyOS:
I'm the opposite of an Apple fanboi, I'm just saying this is what Google wants you to do. Personally, 16GB will do me (I'm only using 3GB on my Nexus now). Complain all you want but it's not going to make a difference
[Nexus 4 General] guthrien:
Meh, this phone is priced like it has greater compromises than it does, I laud Google for that. The lack of LTE feels like a much greater lack of technological progress, and I don't think it's Google's fault, though it is a purchase barrier for me.
[Nexus 4 General] I Am Marino:
People have too many nandroids IMO.

-Brought to you by Marino's Nexus 7-
[Nexus 4 General] _guzzler_:
Absolutely true. In my 32gb sd card about 2-3 gb is useful content. Rest 12 odd gbs is titanium app backup and nandroid backup
[Nexus 4 General] PC Jona:
lol scrubs that have everything on their phones

hahaha

pretty laughable actually. how old are you 16? lol.

i used to care about having everything on my phone, then i grew up.

i put some songs i listen to, and i keep the apps to a absolute minimum.

its not a laptop and its not a back up drive.

its your cell phone.

or start moving to the cloud.

google music is great and so is drive and dropbox.

keep your stuff there and then drag stuff over when you have to.

if not then dont even buy the phone.

buy a tablet and keep your stuff there.

if you cant afford both too bad.

gotta pay to play

welcome to technology
[Nexus 4 General] chrone:
I can feel the OP's pain. I do hope Google will set higher standard hardware for phone industry in the near future since they have Motorola on their arsenal but with affordable price like USD 349. :)
[Nexus 4 General] DeadSOL:
So to sum this thread up in a few words, 'OP suckzz', 'Nexus 4 is kewl', and 'No LTE is for nooooobs'.

Generally, it looks like a thought-provoking, philosophy filled, and fun thread. Huge sarcasm intended.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Funny how many android users have turned into these elitists like Google and other corporations know what is best for them. I pity the fools.

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[Nexus 4 General] estallings15:
It's funny. Apple fanboys act like their iPhones are the end all, be all of phones, and we make fun of them for being uninformed sheep. Yet, Google makes the decision to skip certain features in order to provide a very affordable device with THE top of the line SoC that will be able to receive frequent updates, and what happens? This thread gets created and get's 500 posts and counting. I'm beginning to miss the sheeple... I'm glad there are still a few people in here who recognize that you can't have everything for $349. As he said, Google owes you nothing, yet they have given us the option to have an S4 pro, Adreno 320, 330 ppi, nfc and wireless charging for less than T-moUS is selling the Note II WITH a contract. WTH people? Buy it or don't. It's not like there aren't choices.

TL;DR Get over yourselves.
[Nexus 4 General] sohamssd:
What is the op saying?? Why is he worrying about 16gb storage? You CAN'T get a snapdragon s4 pro for 399. You can't.

If you are so wanting to use storage there are always alternative options. Use your computer of an external HDD.

But I still think 16 GB is enough for me.
[Nexus 4 General] KidCarter93:
You trying to write a song?
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
somebody cue the music....
[Nexus 4 General] bendirkss:
Exactly..
[Nexus 4 General] Docavelli:
I was on the fence about external storage but when I thought about it I realized that the only thing I really wanted the extra space for was the 6gb of music and gig or two of old Roms and kernels that I moved from internal when I updated. Everything else I need is on internal and I still have 5 GB left. I play very few games and any movies I may want to watch while traveling, I put on my N7.

The music I rarely listen to anymore and when i do use my phone to listen to music, its either for a short enough time to stream without putting a dent in my data or I'm at home when I can use WiFi. The old Roms I could've just as easily erased.

I did the same thing when I bought my house. The spare room collects crap I rarely use and gets cleaned out once a year. But I swear I need it.

I will be buying the N4 and streamlining at least my phone. :)
[Nexus 4 General] mrhaddan:
Is it rap? I don't know that I can handle that.
[Nexus 4 General] onthecouchagain:
I think Google made a mistake in releasing early review units without the final build. Those puzzling benchmarks and the wide range of battery results from different reviewers are going to turn off the layman doing quick research on the phone.

Did Google fail with this device? Far from it. I personally am looking forward to owning it.

But this unfinished software build is wrecking havoc with benchmarks and reviews, and it's a fumble that won't help with the Nexus branding reach the average consumer.
[Nexus 4 General] limpopo:
Yup, way-to-go, putting out review units that perform below dual-core Krait with Adreno 225, with ****ty battery life.

If it's just software, then ok, they can fix that - but if the production phones experience the sort of overheating that Anandtech saw, and people see a lot of throttling in actual use, this could be really embarrassing for Google and LG.

Maybe this is why they have priced it so low - it could be a POS.
[Nexus 4 General] pachi72:
Google could at least give us an option. A 32gb version would of been perfect.
[Nexus 4 General] Theshawty:
How people can enjoy a market where manufacturers tell you what's best for you, is one thing I'll never quite understand. A phone with a set amount of storage without the ability to have an external sdcard and without a removable battery. Damn Apple behavior..
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
exactly, it's not like LTE is gonna magically appear inside the phone. There's no LTE folks, deal with it, there are billion other great options on the market.
[Nexus 4 General] Nick Fury:
Not sure why people are compairing all the nexus devices for because some are phones and some are tablets.

Neither of them are the same and shouldnt be compaired. As time goes on the devices get updated.

Plus even though i dont like the nexus devices. Its normally them that get firmware updates before most other phones.
[Nexus 4 General] Docavelli:
Nobody's telling people what's best for them. They're telling people, here's what we're putting out. Buy it or not.

Why are people over reacting so much? Just get something that suits your needs. If this one doesnt , keep it moving.
[Nexus 4 General] the1dynasty:
I don't see the big deal here... you can save stuff to this USB drive and just plug it in when needed... I know people will say that OTG drains battery faster or whatever excuse they come up with for not wanting to use something like this... but if all u have to do is swap files on the spot, then what's the problem? Its essentially like using an internal SD card...
[Nexus 4 General] aimetti:
So what everyone is saying is if you play a ton of games or have lte in your city don't buy this phone.

I have had 16 gb phones for years. iPhone 3G , 4 , 4s , 5, one x , gs3, and gnex and have never once had an issue with space. Especially with google music now available on both platforms.

Normally I put 10 of the cd's I listen to the most and use google music for rest if I need it. I have a few large games, titanium backup, a few roms, a few cwm backups and all my apps and still have plenty of space left.

I'm curious, what exactly do all you people need on your phone that takes up so much space ?

As far as lte goes its not in my nearby area so it doesn't impact me. Either way I usually have 6/7 Mbps down on average with AT&T anyways.
[Nexus 4 General] selckgn:
:good:
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
thats pretty cool, do they exist yet?
[Nexus 4 General] EnemyOfGlaDOS:
I'm in the same exact boat .. although I can see why people need more space. For me I don't. I would like more.. don't need it and, I keep my system fairly clean so if I'm not using something, there's no trace of it on my phone.. excess folders, yada yada. And no LTE here either. AT&T says by the end of the year so we'll see. Odd but my gf's iPhone says 4G, but only pulls 8mbps down :-\
[Nexus 4 General] the1dynasty:
No idea... i saw this in another thread complaining about the same space crap... my ns4g is 16gb and I've never run out of space even with +3 roms & gapps, +2 720p movies, + 50hrs music, +4 nandroid backups... plus a bunch of themes I was testing... I just don't get why people are being lazy and can't just clean their damn phone up...
[Nexus 4 General] apis10:
My current phone has 16GB.

I have around

1000 photos

200 videos of my daughter

around 200 songs

Almost all apps/games except those i want the widgets

2 backups of roms

2 roms (zips)

Backup of apps from titanium backup

Also needs a cleanup from all the leftovers of old apps

And I still have 4GB left!!!
[Nexus 4 General] KidCarter93:
That's cool. My phone just had a system dump and didn't need toilet paper.
[Nexus 4 General] NIMBAH:
If your talking about USB OTG then its existed for quite a while :)
[Nexus 4 General] I Am Marino:
The cloud is your friend guys, IMO.

The 8GB argument might have a stand on a tablet but in an age of almost wifi everywhere and cellular connections.

There's no reason why people should have steadfast arguments against 8-16GB.

Game too much? Your fault.

Want to store all 20GB of music locally? Your fault.

These are phones, not lifelines to everything we ever want.
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
no i meant the picture that was quoted by the guy i quoted lol
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
There you go, that's plenty of stuff and still you have enough room. I personally struggle to even fill up 8 gigs ( around 6 and some change for the user I believe)
[Nexus 4 General] Kookas:
That's an outdated line of thinking. The whole point of phones being able to browse the web, play music, take pictures, etc is the convenience of CONVERGENCE. That is, not having to carry 4 different devices with you wherever you go. Else we'd still have to pack a PDA, MP3 player, phone and a camera, and haul a laptop everywhere. As of yet, a phone cam isn't really meant for hardcore photography, but it's perfect for a quick snap of your mates at the pub or a holiday down the beach. Why fill another pocket (you often only have two anyway) just for optical zoom and extra storage?

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[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
everyone for some reason keeps forgetting that there are HUNDREDS of alternate phones for you to choose from. every manufacturer has a ton of alternate options. if you dont like this phone, you can get another LG phone.. if you dont like LG you have samsung, htc, motorola, huawei, sony, asus, acer, etc

they can ALL be EASILY rooted to handle vanilla android from a direct source build.

there are countless amount of threads of people complaining that this phone doesnt have this doesnt have that "OMG OMG OMG google's android is becoming apple blah blah"

fuxk off. apple is closed source. apple is one device per year. apple is more than double the price. etc..

by your logic, a phone should have every single technolgy known to man. "damn manufacturers want me to use microUSB, i want miniUSB... damn manufacturers want me to use an 8mp camera i want 12mp... damn manufacturers want me to use microSD i wanna use an SD" or whatever nonsense you can come up with.

stop being retarded, xda. please...
[Nexus 4 General] _guzzler_:
On a positive note google has given me a chance to clean up my act on the sdcard/internal storage. :D

Everytime I clean up my garage I realise how much crap I had in there and if I only keep useful stuff in there how big it really is for my needs.
[Nexus 4 General] androidino95:
I got a solution, cum on your phone, delete gen info and youll get 1500ish terabytes of extra storage. Tadaa

Sent from my GT-I9000
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Seriously, what the ****.......
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
You're right. What the hell do we need screens and headphone jacks for? Smdh.

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[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
I get the sense some people here are losing it.

Seriously for wanting more storage, which has been available and used by many for years, we have 'unhealthy' habits and is 'our fault'.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
my 55gigs of flacs and 30+ gigs of mp3 are unhealthy habits? many aren't even trying to say they want to carry all their music, but it sure would be nice to carry a "healthy" selection and have some room left over to take some pics and videos.
[Nexus 4 General] Logseman:
Given that ADN can store vastly superior amounts of information than any current and future hard drive, the man had a point.
[Nexus 4 General] mrhaddan:
On a brighter note, this phone has some pretty sweet hardware that will make it fast and responsive. Sweet!
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Pretty much all reviewers, even on the pre-release stuff, have said its the fastest smoothest phone they have ever used.

So, for a bargain basement price that I think other android manufactures can't match (nevermind apple.....)- the world should be super excited :)
[Nexus 4 General] KidCarter93:
Just gonna leave this here.
[Nexus 4 General] EddyOS:
My phone camera is for the odd time I don't have my usual compact with me. I listen to music on an iPod, if at all, otherwise I use my laptop or stream online. My phone is just that - a phone. I use it for calls, texts, email and a bit of browsing. I sit here with barely 2GB used on my Galaxy Nexus and prefer to use my laptop for the majority of my work.

I personally agree with Google at this time. Once LTE is mature they will include it but the storage argument is the outdated one. The cloud IS the future and if you don't like that then that's your problem
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
You say the nexus 4 is no better that what's available but that's totally not true.

Cpu, gpu, screen and battery should all be better than the sgs3 - and with nexus, you get latest stock os, no skin, fast. - and its mega cheap.

Nexus are a flashers dream, and this is the first nexus that is powerfull compared to the competition - the price was just a massive surprise bonus.

Its not a matter of trolling, I have no problems with other manufacturers, I myself have had 2 Samsung galaxy s phones, and I'm currently rocking a one x - but this nexus is attractive, cheap and powerfull - and surely, even you can see this.

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Cloud is great, but cmon Google - if anyone can get 5gb free Google drive space, nexus phone users should get more thrown in.

Means nothing to Google, its just a number to them :)

Agree?

Also, regarding LTE - 99% of the UK population don't even know what that is LOL

I'm glad it doesn't have it, more battery life, no OS update complications, its all good.
[Nexus 4 General] KidCarter93:
Should doesn't mean anything. I don't plan on getting a Nexus 4 but those who planning on getting one won't know about it properly until they've actually got it and tested it.

And if you want to base it all on specs, then that's up to you but I won't be.

In my opinion, specs mean nothing because a phone could have great specs yet be a crap phone and vice versa. Experience of the phone is much more important than specs.

That thread wasn't aimed at the Nexus 4 though. It was aimed at the Nexus brand name in general.
[Nexus 4 General] EnemyOfGlaDOS:
I agree with you again here but ... usually phones with great specs are great phones not crap phones :o
[Nexus 4 General] RushAOZ:
I get why some may be upset with no LTE. But I truly think its not that big a deal. But is NOT having it that big a deal? Is downloading at 1-1.5 megabytes a sec that bad? It's only a phone and this is fast enough to stream anything. Even high def YouTube video. I'll be fine.

And 16GB isn't a big deal either. That's enough space for any user. You're not supposed to carry your entire library on your phone. That's what an iPod classic or any other PMP is for. It's enough space to carry any music, movies and games you're CURRENTLY enjoying, a few ROMs and back ups. I had a 16gb Nexus S and did just fine. Wanna mad at Google for something? Be mad at the fact that a mobile OS requires more installation space than Windows 7 :D
[Nexus 4 General] FangV:
I don't see anything wrong with the device and its cheap for what you're getting
[Nexus 4 General] _guzzler_:
Does anyone know how much space one photosphere takes?
[Nexus 4 General] Theshawty:
I have 5gb worth of music, titanium backup, one nandroid and an assload of apps. Then I have a bunch of spare files like flashable zips and emulator data and whatnot.

That's why my sdcard is handy because on it i have all my music, videos and spare files.
[Nexus 4 General] KidCarter93:
Maybe for the most part, yes.

A classic example is the Sony Xperia S. I got it the week if release in the UK based purely because it looked like a sweet phone, it had great reviews and it had great specs aswell. It was meant to be the best phone out when it was released. It's a terrible phone and now I've learnt my lesson about buying a phone based on reviews and specs.

I know a lot of phones will be great if the specs are, but the main point is that I think it's stupid that people base their opinions purely on specs and reviews, when the only way they can know is from hands-on experience.
[Nexus 4 General] the1dynasty:
I replied there... sounds like a much better thread to respond to than this silly thread that's been beat down already on the same topics...

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I have 2 that I've taken.. one is 2.5mb and the other is 3mb... i took them with my 5mp ns4g camera... I'd assume there 8mp cameras would have them around 3-5mb fort a complete 360 degree photo...
[Nexus 4 General] bendirkss:
That isn't the point. Even though its cheap, I'm sure people are willing to pay another $50 for a 32GB model.
[Nexus 4 General] tokuzumi:
This man is a genius.
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Why is he, sounds like a douche to me.

Not everyone thinks like that, I'm already using a non removable battery with no LTE or sdcard and its fine.

People don't like apple mainly for a closed down OS, high price, inventing features that already exist, patenting and sueing everyone over absolutely nothing, adding very few little iterations and claiming 300+ new features bla bla bla & plainly monopolizing the market.

Heck, took till iPhone 4 just to change a wallpaper.

Apple also took till its 3rd iPhone just to add video recording, yet nothing was said of the first 2 devices not having it and when the 3rd dropped, it was promoted and reviewed like some new revolutionary feature. Apple sells purely on brand loyality, and like Mac, is dying against the new windows - android. Apple absolutely learnt nothing from the mac strategy and did the same with iphone, and the last few years have shown its going to end up the same way for them.

Apple's market share slowly is decreasing, playstore almost caught appstore, even amazon with its fires are cutting a big gaping hole into apples share....

Apple truly are the Hitler of the technology industry & still can't take over the UK (their market share here is not that great) :)

If you take out US sales, I wonder what percentage European iPhone market share is compared to android ....
[Nexus 4 General] albundy2010:
Nonsense. People hated on apple because you don't didn't have a choice. For years it was if you wanted a iPhone - att. No removable storage/ battery etc. Screen sizes, physical keyboards etc.

The entire our way or the highway attitude.
[Nexus 4 General] tokuzumi:
I agree....iOS is closed down. But I could bring up hundreds of posts where people, even ones on this board, have panned the iPhone for just the things the the Nexus 4 lacks (LTE, SD Card slot, removable battery). Now, we are going to be saying "I'm sure we'll get that next time".

I love android, and especially the community, but seriously, how difficult could it have possibly have been to include an SD card slot?
[Nexus 4 General] chrisjcks:
Its not difficult or expensive, Google just doesn't want them.
[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
Right on! Why do we have access to the internet on our phone, buy a tablet for that. :) Why do people with kids need a 7 passenger vehicle? You don't Need that many kids... Why do you need more than one bathroom in your house? Why don't you only buy one dish and one knife,spoon, and fork. That's all you need. Only buy one pair of underwear and wash them everytime you shower. I mean if we're now telling others what they should and shouldn't store on their phone, we might as well apply that to other aspects of their life.
[Nexus 4 General] albundy2010:
There are plenty of people and or post that are idiotic.

There are android options right now with removable batteries,SD cards, lte , different screen sizes and types. There is no we get it next time bs like the Samsung ad. Phones of all shapes sizes configs and prices are out right now.

It is a bogus argument made be fanboys and or idiots. I'll put it as simple as possible. If you wanted a iPhone with LTE removable battery,SD etc there wasn't one period. This entire idea that ONE android device doesn't have a this or that is just a fail. There are options. If you want something that isnt on the iPhone you where crap out luck,. No iPhone for you.
[Nexus 4 General] zelendel:
OK guys.

Bottom line is simple. As stated android gives you options across many devices. Google chooses to make their devices a set way. Don't like it? Well there are options out there made by the same hardware guys. Should check them out. Not make threads on a development forum to complain about them.

Thread closed

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[Nexus 4 General] rmp5s:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1964263

Yup...there's my .02...
[Nexus 4 General] glenroebuck:
With dropbox skydrive and about 4 other cloud storage places why care about 16 gb? I have tmo unlimited (the real no overages do caps no down grade) so I don't worry about data caps and with hulu plus, Netflix what ever I get all the content I would want. SO I can't store 900000000 abba remixes....darn.
[Nexus 4 General] :
haters gonna hate.

go get that other state-of-the-art smartphone for $299 off-contract and stop crying... oh wait.
[Nexus 4 General] Jeff_in_LA:
I agree - massive FAIL.

My Verizon Galaxy Nexus has LTE and it's biblical! I get up to 65Mbps. Data and tethering are just plain awesome. Simultaneous voice and data is a dream.

I wouldn't take a "non LTE phone" for free.

I said I would use a Nexus phone until a game changer came out. In my wildest dreams I would not have guessed the game changer was Google gimping it.

Apple iBots did not care about maps and nav.. until they had in and it was essentially "taken away" . people don't like to lose features and benefits.

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State of the art without LTE... mmmkay... lol
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
Here's a tip, if you don't want it, then don't buy it. Have fun with that, cause I couldn't care less about your opinion. Now if a mod could

PLLELAASSEEE

close this. Thanks.
[Nexus 4 General] raynerape:
If this phone had 32Gb and MicroSD and a stylus and...manufacturers would be rightly worried Google is pulling a Surface on them. Google Nexus 4 has to be good enough for Google - cheap, powerful, built to serve the Android agenda, not to be the perfect phone mother of all phones that renders all manufacturers worthless underdogs. It achieves that goal perfectly.