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[Nexus 4 General] samarth1:
Don't fool yourself for one second and blame the lack of timely updates on manufacturers. The problem with the US wireless industry are the carriers, and no one else. They introduce an unnecessary level of "testing" only to introduce bloat onto the software in the name of "differentiation". They hold all levels of control on an OEM, to the point where devices don't even see the light of day because a carrier refuses to carry it, because they don't want to market it. Don't you think there is something seriously wrong with that? That we are letting them decide what the consumer wants in the name of filling their own coffers through "upgrade fees" and "ETFs"? And Google did NOT pull a flip-flop on the N7, but was merely a market reaction to competition by way of the Kindle Fire HD. It's really as simple as that.
[Nexus 4 General] Plexicle:
It's not memory, it's flash storage. It's not as cheap as you think.

Not sure why people keep comparing it to RAM.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Samsung is solely responsible for pushing updates to the Galaxy Nexus in Canada. They are consistently late, it remains to be seen when they will quit but I bet it will be early. Of course carriers can add another layer but manufacturers would also rather develop for and sell new phones.

Flip-flopping under pressure is still flip-flopping. Did they really think no one would release a decent 32GB tablet to compete with it? Do people want/need more than 16GB or don't they? What about the 'market reaction' to the 32GB option the iphone has had for over three years?

Regardless, it is indisputable fact that you can't get an Android with 16+ GB and LTE that will get updates. Make all the excuses you want but it's a letdown for Android users who want these things period.
[Nexus 4 General] mazzmoney:
I'm fine with people complaining about storage because i feel like a 32 GB option for $400 would have been better received then a 8GB for $300 IMO. At least, thats what it's looking like (the nexus 7 16 gb being more popular then the 8 gb somehow caught them as a surprise). But if there is one thing i really hate its people complaining about this phones lack of LTE (not the OP, but others in this thread and similar threads). I mean, the only thing that makes this phone better then the Optimus G is the fact its stock android and will get faster OS updates. IF there was an LTE version (like the Sprint and Verizon GNex), you might as well get an Optimus G since it wont get updates nearly as fast as the unlocked one. I dont get why someone would want a nexus device that is at the same time locked down to a carrier for updates. Complain all you want about the lack of storage and removable battery, just dont complain about the phone being a nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] samarth1:
I agree with you, and it is indeed sad that the ecosystem buckles under the pressure of keeping up with Google's pace of updates. I also partly blame Google for this, as their assurance that handsets purchased from anyone under the Open Handset Alliance will get guaranteed updates for 18 months has fallen by the wayside, and there isn't anybody to call Google out on that false promise.

Everyone flip-flops. That is the nature of business and a competitive environment. Apple has done it, Amazon has done it, Microsoft has done it, and Google has done it. And they will keep doing it to stake their claim and offer what they think is the best bang for your buck. What is your point?
[Nexus 4 General] eksasol:
I think you made a great point here, although being unlocked pentaband and running latest android and for the price I'm going to get it. I would even pick a Nexus One over an iPhone 5.

Sent from my R800x
[Nexus 4 General] the1dynasty:
I can't believe i haven't seen the complaints about this being a dev phone and having the battery sealed in... what's gonna happen when you're stuck in a bootloop after flashing a new room or just general testing?? That's more of an issue than this storage issue imho
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Sigh people keep saying this but Sprint and Verizon is a CDMA problem not an LTE problem. There is nothing to prevent them from making LTE version(s) for AT&T and other networks that use GSM/UMTS as a base and rolling out updates directly, other than that they simply didn't want to make the device variant(s).

There are reasons/excuses for this, like the cost and that they have climbed into bed a bit with T-Mobile on this, but at the end of the day it was up to completely up to Google to support LTE on these non-CDMA-based networks or not and they chose not.
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
Hold the power button till it reboots.
[Nexus 4 General] the1dynasty:
Never knew that holding the power button while in a bootloop would restart the phone... even if true, rebooting into recovery would be needed in order to fix whatever caused the bootloop to begin with... I'm no expert tho...
[Nexus 4 General] samarth1:
+1. Thats how it works on the Nexus 7. I know because I've had it happen.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
I have never needed to pull the battery on my SGS. To get into recovery/downlaod just hold the power button down for a long time while also holding up/down+home. (Actually the power button part is only needed to power up the phone, in a bootloop often just up+home will go to recovery on the next cycle)

I would like an easily replaceable battery but in the end I guess I'd rather have a bigger battery than a replaceable one. I figure if users really do need to pull or replace the battery, well it's not impossible, I hear there are screws and I'm sure we'll have info on how to get at the guts soon enough.
[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
All I gotta say is, who here buys a computer that they have to clean up every day so that they don't run out if memory? Do you buy a laptop with only a 64gb harddrive? That's all you need isn't it. You can install programs only when you need them and uninstall them afterward. We just want the option of a 32gb, or even 64gb model, ok. I don't understand all the hate toward those of us that keep a lot of stuff on our phone. I mine is my primary music player, and I also user it as a mass storage device to transfer files. If I'm not mistaken, that one of the advantages android claimed over some other devices, and now you, the members of this forum, are gonna tell me that I'm stupid for using my phone as it was intended?
[Nexus 4 General] nbeebe24:
Maybe they'll base expansion off sells. They've released higher capacity devices later before. I really just don't see the point of ranting about it. It really is as simple as if you don't like it don't buy it. I agree with you about having options but since there aren't more what more can be done?
[Nexus 4 General] samarth1:
Nobody is telling you that you are stupid, mate. Nor is there any hate towards you for wanting more on-board storage. If there is, there certainly shouldn't be, and I encourage you to put that aside and not pay any attention to it. Nobody can tell you what you need. I agree that offering a 32gb option would have satisfied users like you, and only increased the Nexus 4's cred among power users. But it is all about satisfactory compromises, and a compromise in on-board storage is something that I (and by the reactions to this thread) and a lot of people are willing to deal with for the fantastic value for money that the Nexus 4 offers. The point I'm trying to make is that it all comes down to the choice of whether or not you want the Nexus 4 to be your next device. If it is lacking based on your needs, then don't buy it. That holds true for every aspect of consumerism, and it should hold true here.
[Nexus 4 General] Slap-Yourself :):
I'm actually a little irked at the fact that there is no expandable memory or removable battery..... It's a great phone, but why should we be limited only to the amount of storage given to us? Now, I have all these damn SD cards that I have no use for. Just my $0.02.
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
i will say this: the Nexus 4 the fastest chipset on an Android device, 2 GB of the most achievable RAM on a smartphone, a fairly nice 8 mp camera, one of the best (if not the best) displays on a smartphone running stock Android in all it's glory selling for 350$ off contract. one has to get past all of this to consider the 16 GB of storage and HSPA+ as deal breakers.

i don't really want to sound like an obsessive Nexus fan boy but no one will ever find the perfect smartphone. sacrifices will have to be made.
[Nexus 4 General] Slap-Yourself :):
How much more would this phone have cost to produce with a micro sd card slot. Honestly?

I can live without the removable battery, given the styling of the phone.
[Nexus 4 General] masterkamon842:
I'm still buying this phone. Period.
[Nexus 4 General] Anubis007:
it's not about the cost, it's Google's policies towards sd card slots. i would've payed more for 32 gb version though (they should've given us the option no excuses there), but then again, i can't get past the fact that it's top notch speced Nexus.
[Nexus 4 General] Turb0wned:
While I don't agree with a lot said by the OP, I will say Google should have at least a 32GB version. 32GB has to be the standard. They could have sold a 32GB for $400. Its a great price move by Google but not everyone has unlimited data to stream music. My phone is also my music player. We are heading into 2013, we need more storage. I don't care for SD cards though.
[Nexus 4 General] eksasol:
The more I think about it, the more I feel the real reason Google do not have a microSD card is not wanting to enter a lawsuit with Microsoft.

Again this is just my speculation, since the discrepancy is you can technically format the internal storage to FAT anyway, but maybe there is something related to it. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look at "Microsoft v. TomTom" case and this somewhat dated article: http://www.neowin.net/news/half-of-...entered-into-patent-agreements-with-microsoft. Microsoft is probably making more money from Android than selling their own Windows phones.
[Nexus 4 General] orangekid:
That's old news that has nothing to do with SD.
[Nexus 4 General] mazzmoney:
Maybe. Those are valid points on why they didnt add LTE. I do have a question though. Is it possible to have a phone that works one EVERY LTE Frequency? I'm sure it is, or will be, but maybe it'll be too much money to do that? Or maybe it would be hurting the phone? Like, I know AT&T's LTE is different from the LTE in Europe (an unlocked EU iPhone 5 wont connect to LTE here I'm told), so maybe that is a problem. I havent seen a phone get released yet that works with every LTE Frequency, so maybe it isnt possible (or isnt worth it cost wise)? I'm no expert on this, so I might be saying something that makes no sense, I just never seen a phone release that works on every LTE frequency (if there is, tell me, I might pick it up over this phone lol)
[Nexus 4 General] LiViD:
Really? I could have swore that LG's brand name was on the back of the casing. With that fact that now I see that the Nexus 4 has a sealed battery and no expandable storage, I'll skip on it as LG royally screwed up the definition of a Nexus device. With HTC, Motorola (soon to provide unlocked boot loaders courtesy of Google), and Samsung providing already unlocked bootloaders I'll wait for the next variant or another phone made on the same SoC.
[Nexus 4 General] lazol:
"Decent" amount of RAM?

I'm happy with that amount in my desktop...
[Nexus 4 General] chocoyo00:
What do people that complain about storage capacity carry in their phones that they see fit the need for a 32GB or more capacity? I've never came close to using 16GB on the Galaxy Nexus and it had 32GB built in. Maybe Google researched that and made the trade off? For music there's Google Music, Pandora, Spotify, etc...For Movies same thing, several streaming options...It's all about the Cloud.. If you use that much storage IMO you are part of the minority and therefore justifies Google's move.

As far as LTE, I'm in Los Angeles where LTE is plenty fast on Verizon, and though my last 3 phones have had LTE support I'm willing to trade that for good battery life, It's not like I need such speed for checking Twitter or using Email, even streaming video is ok on HSPA+...So I'm dropping Verizon to get the Nexus 4, no contract and low price is a no brainer, plus at that price I can buy a phone every 3-6 months..which for me is great since I get bored of phones quick :)
[Nexus 4 General] BennyJr:
Lol wow you make no sense.
[Nexus 4 General] bradsh1:
It actually is pretty damned cheap. Certainly less than $1/gb. SSDs have been about there or below for awhile. SD cards are even better. So charging $50 for 8gb is indeed ****ing ridiculous. I recognize they are probably practically selling the 8gb breaking even or almost at a loss, but that extra $50 could reasonably be a 32gb and it would still more than cover costs. And we know it fits in the frame since the Optimus G has a version which has 32GB. Google is just being Google.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
They would have had to make some variants, if not only to cover more but to leave a cheap non-LTE version. Each one can cover 2-3 LTE bands but not all of them. Apple was able to cover quite a bit with two GSM variants, one with 700+AWS and another with 3 other bands. Add in another one to cover t-mobile HSPA+ for cheaper (Apple's 3rd variant covers CDMA/LTE for Verizon but I agree f*** that) and they could have made alot of people happy with 3 variants, all with only minor differences and updates pushed right from Google.

Really though after the Nexus 7 storage adventure I wouldn't be surprised if they were cooking up at least one behind the scenes. After all they blew smoke up our asses about N7 storage just they are doing with LTE now.
[Nexus 4 General] mazzmoney:
But yeah thats what they didnt want to do. They wanted one device for all. The only way to do that is with HSPA+ at the moment. I would have been nice to see LTE, even if prepaid LTE is damn near non existent in the US (you can AT&T prepaid but thats only 1gb of data. I cant thik of any that have LTE access ATM). Overall, I think LTE this time around is pretty useless for what the device is aiming for.
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Yeah don't compare it to RAM. Flash storage is much much cheaper...

Well under $1/GB which is why having to micromanage GB scraps in a phone with 8 or 16GB seems very silly these days.
[Nexus 4 General] wing_addict_usa:
+1 all it needed was a FING search button and microsd, maybe replaceable battery
[Nexus 4 General] haloimplant:
Well you can't always get what you want. Isn't that the message for everyone here. ;)

Maybe I'm biased here because LTE is popping up everywhere here, doesn't cost any extra on a monthly plan, and prepaid here has been nerfed to a non-option. HSPA(+) is also very overloaded, that's probably why they're rolling out LTE as fast as they can. I'm probably looking at 5-10x speed difference around here, 2-4 mbps on HSPA+ and 10-40mbps on LTE. Hardly useless. I can't even stream low-def on HSPA here, and higher quality will likely still struggle on HSPA+. So much for the cloud.

Actually I wouldn't count on the longevity of any good prepaid options in the US either if these sell with any volume that makes the carriers take notice. In the end they aren't just going to sit back and watch ARPU drop.

Finally this seems as good a time as any to dispel the LTE battery hog myth. Look at the browsing test, on LTE the iphone and HTC one x on LTE get 8/7 hours while they only get 5 without it. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/13 The non-LTE phones see a sharp drop in battery life. At least at 28nm the slower air interfaces simply have to remain active (and drawing power) for longer, which results in measurably worse battery life.
[Nexus 4 General] chocoyo00:
Idk how accurate those tests on the IPhone 5 are while running LTE, I have been using one for over a week on Verizon's LTE with good coverage and I don't get that kind of battery life, 6.5 hours is closer to an average number for me with normal use.
[Nexus 4 General] DecimoEons:
worth it?

so is the phone worth it or not than?
[Nexus 4 General] kobesabi:
If they skimp out on 16GB, at least add ext SDcard so people who have lots of stuff can still buy it. Doing this just kinda makes me wondering if I should even get this.
[Nexus 4 General] copster1234:
Just wondering how apple is able to get away with a carrier not messing up their iOS updates and partnering to provide LTE.
[Nexus 4 General] H4rryTipp3r:
Its not that hard. Apple is the only company selling the iPhone. Therefore, if a carrier doesn't agree to there terms they just walk away. So carriers are basically enslaved by there conditions if they want to sell the iPhone. Where as android has multiple phones from multiple companies so if the carrier doesn't like the terms they just move on to the next company.
[Nexus 4 General] goheels:
Huge mistake not including 32GB of RAM. I'm sorry, but putting 8GB of RAM in *any* kind of flagship-model phone these days is downright embarrassing. There are those of us who like to use our phones for more than Facebook and Gmail, especially when it comes to music. I have about 14GB of music, and it's great having it all on my phone because then I don't have to carry an extra MP3 player around with me. For a phone with 16GB of RAM (really less than that in reality), my music would fill basically the entire thing.

If Google doesn't want to include a microSD slot, so be it. But at least give us the option of purchasing a 32GB version of the phone, I don't care if it costs more.

To those of you saying "who cares, the phone is $350", I have this to say: if Google offered a Nexus 4 with 1 GB of RAM and sold it for $200, would you buy it? At some point, I couldn't care less if the price is low - if a flagship-level phone can't do something as simple as hold a decent music collection on it, then the functionality of the phone has been severely compromised.

Also, cloud storage is bull****. For those who have been living with their heads in the sand, we now live in an age where unlimited data plans have gone the way of the dodo. And this is meant to be an international phone, right? Not all of us live in places with HSPA+ (where I live I get HSDPA only), making the idea of using cloud storage for everything even more laughable.

Anyway, I don't understand how the Nexus 4 made it out of development with such ridiculous RAM amounts. Should have started at 16GB, with the $350 phone being 32GB. But obviously they had a price point they wanted to hit, and apparently thought skimping on RAM was the place to cut corners. Seeing the number of people who are saying that 16GB is a deal-breaker for them obviously shows that LG/Google didn't think this one through very well. The only thing we can hope for is a Nexus 7-esque RAM bump in the near future, which (while a **** move) would be the only thing that would get me to buy this.
[Nexus 4 General] H4rryTipp3r:
8GB of RAM?!?! Where have i been, i thought the highest on a phone was 2
[Nexus 4 General] :
Sadly we are part of the VERY vocal minority whining about x or y feature, yet what most regular people would see is a Quad core + HD screen + lots of space + good camera. No one really cares about space as long as it can store some HD games, reasonable music collection (<4GB), buttery smooth and makes great photos and records good videos with some extra features to keep you excited. The Nexus does all that extremely well, stop whining and get another phone, even among power users 16GB is plenty. Never needed more on my Captivate and S2, and there's no LTE in my country or most of the world. Lazy people who can't manage their content, there are MANY MANY alternatives
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
poor alternatives with touchwiz, sense and blur to ruin the day.
[Nexus 4 General] H4rryTipp3r:
I actually like touchwiz to some degrees. Your apart of xda for a reason so install a custom rom and boom no need to cry about the overlays.......its that easy people!!!
[Nexus 4 General] DonDizzurp:
they should have came out with 32 and 64gb versions instead of 8/16

youre right i hope they mention it ASAP if they plan on releasing with more storage. i can live with 16, but if they come out with 32 in 3 months id be more than happy to wait it out
[Nexus 4 General] atari82:
I like the idea of a lower price and less disk space. For me 16gb is enough – next to my big Google Drive.

A higher price would be a no-go. It's only a phone and i don't want to pay super-attention all the time.

BTW i still have the Nexus S ... wouldn't consider it a failure ... still gets the newest updates quickly (does GS2?) ... runs totally okay with them, is small and build like a rock. It just survives a hard bike crash (i was checking music while driving drunken – bad idea) ... found it 20m away from my bike, on the road, with nearly any scratches.
[Nexus 4 General] Feregorn:
I think the op is being picky...What kind of needs he has that 16GB of internal storage can't satisfy them, while the needs of iPhone users of the basic 16GB model can be accomodated all this time? I would advise on buying a small mp3 player to listen to music, having it on a phone is unwieldy. I have my iPod Suffle 3rd gen 4GB just for this purpose and it does its job admirably! It would also conserve your smartphone's power! Of course, I can't expect every human out there to follow my way of doing things, but I try to point out, that there are always alternatives. I'm currently using n Nokia E7 with 16GB on non-expandable storage, and while I've installed some "heavy" 3D games, 100 songs and some videos, I still have a bit more than 10GB left...Plus, don't forget that with usb-host functionality, you can always have your LG Nexus 4 read media from usb devices, which may alleviate your problem.

Remember, however Google, took these decisions, which may seem like a failure to you (exclusion of LTE, non/expendable storage) to avoid alienating the hardware companies manufacturing android handsets. It's a tentative affair...
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Not into installing broken roms. I need stability and room for data. Nexus offers stability more so than other phones. Not to mention upgrades, more stable apps from the get go, more features etc. Juggling data whatever it may be hasn't been my cup of tea lately. I don't think asking for enough room to put 15-20gigs of music on my phone is asking too much.

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[Nexus 4 General] masondoctorjt:
Well apparently a lot of us need it. The poll in the other thread shows that many need greater than 16 gb. If the formatted amount was 14.8 gb like on my SanDisk sd card, then it might be ok, but since it's more like 12gb its just not quite enough, and since there is no option of 24gb, then we need 32gb.
[Nexus 4 General] Intruder7s:
I can't seem to understand your question. Care to re-phrase please?
[Nexus 4 General] xdiable:
So buy another phone, problem solved.

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I can see it now, this forum is going to suck with all the *****ing and moaning about the lack of LTE and limited space.
[Nexus 4 General] mrmylanman:
I actually can't wait to pick up the 8GB version. $300 for a beast of a phone unlocked? Yep, hard to beat. And a quad core at that.
[Nexus 4 General] theoneofgod:
I don't play games, or watch movies on my phone. I've put them on my phones in the past but just never really bothered. The phone will just store apps and music and camera files. 16GB (12GB) should be enough for me.
[Nexus 4 General] MrDSL:
I still have 4.5gigs left on my 16gig Note so space isn't an issue for me..

I'll miss the large screen but with pure aosp and development support more then makes up for it.