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[Nexus S General] JavaJunkay:
Nice to hear all that. Nexus S ftw :D
[Nexus S General] Pnx:
Why not:confused:

Our Nexus S it's untill powerfull... :cool:
[Nexus S General] gfinockio:
It better! I just bought a used one yesterday!
[Nexus S General] zorak950:
I think the chances are pretty good that the NS will get 4.2, but beyond that I'm skeptical. We're coming up on the phone's two-year anniversary for one thing. It's also begun to chug a bit with Jelly Bean, and I doubt the next major update will be any less resource intensive. Between the age and the hardware limitations, I suspect we're in the twilight months of Google support for the Nexus S.
[Nexus S General] eddy_nugroz:
must will get 4.2.... not official no problem :laugh:
[Nexus S General] james6478:
this will probably be the last update the Nexus S gets.

Good thing tho, you know most likely that XDA will have some form of port.

I'm getting the Nexus 4 tho!!! my contract is almost up. I might even get it off contract! (AU$400 for 32GB, thats dirt cheap compared to the iPhone 5 which is AU$900! That's less than half the price, for better specs... and android... and build quality is improved dramatically from the previous Nexusesss)
[Nexus S General] qaz2453:
I think it will get 4.2 ... it an incremental upgrade, so anything 'jellybean' we should get :)

Can't wait to try 4.2 :D
[Nexus S General] alen1901:
It will get official 4.2 for sure, but key lime pye will be here only unofficial.

Sent from SpeedMachine i9023
[Nexus S General] MrMat:
last year, when I bought my Nexus S, someone told me: "It's a year's old phone.. don't waste your money..."

:cool:
[Nexus S General] AndroidWolf59:
I'm almost sure for 4.2 ...

I personally think about a Google "3 letters law" for Nexus devices. Nexus One went from E(Eclair) to G(Gingerbread), passing by Frojo, Nexus S will go from G to J passing by ICS, and GNex will "live" from I to L ... Officially speaking, I mean ;) And, of course, I hope there will always be some clever group (like CyanogenMod, for example) or "one man band" who enjoy to develop ROM or kernel for our preferred devices :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus S General] aladin6:
You made the right choice ;).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] wcsoccerboy828:
I am thinking of a buying a Galaxy Tab 10.1. The asking price is $300 obo so it is negotiable. Is this a good decision or not?

I am rather uninformed about the current tablet scene so any help is appreciated.

Thanks.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] decatf:
No. Google has just announced the Nexus 10 which is $399 for the 16GB version. The seller is likely trying to sell now so they can trade up before people jump on the current round of new devices and the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is worth even less.

The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is outdated already and Samsung will not be providing anymore software updates for it. (Although I'm sure there will be people saying that it's not 100% certain and their web petitions may cause Samsung to miraculously change their minds and spend more money on getting Android 4.1 released to this device)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Jay Rock:
Nexus 10. Dream tablet.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] stubborn_d0nkey:
Another nexus 10 recommendation, unless its too expensive (I'd recommend waiting and saving up for the difference if money is an issue) or if you must have mobile data on your tablet (if you can tether from your phone this isn't an issue, or if you will always have an available wifi connection).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] rjohmit:
No way...go for the Nexus 10.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] weirdear:
The tab 10.1 will likely not be getting official jelly bean + The screen is not as good as other offerings right now. I think the nexus 10 with its much better screen, and straight from google updates is a much better device for $100 more. Also, where do you live? Used 16 gb tab 10.1s can be had for under $250 off Kijiji in most Canadian cities, and I'd bet it's similar in the states.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] OTAw:
Asking $300? Ask him/her if u can punch them in the mouth for offering it @ such a silly price! For that, you might as well spend a few more bucks and buy it retail so you get a warranty with it. On eBay, most working 1st gen S.G 10.1 tabs average between $200-250, depending on the condition and what comes with it. Or you can do what I did and buy a broken one and repair it yourself.

I bought one with a broken screen on eBay for $99 + s/h. Ordered a new LCD for $55 and digitizer for $22 which totals about $175 that I spent on the tab.. which beats buying a working one for more than what it's worth. The 1st generation tab is still a good pick, better than the 2nd gen some say, as long as you're rooted w/ a custom rom and o/c capable kernel installed.

So, if you really want a 1st gen. galaxy tab 10.1, I'd say offer him $200. Otherwise, try eBay or hold out for something better, like mentioned above.

-*Slapping you upside the head from my Galaxy Tab 10.1 P7510*-
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] KuroSyn:
grab the Nexus 10 :thumbup:
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] nitedr:
+1 Nexus 10

Fiancee has a Nexus 7 that rocks so if you don't need a 10 inch screen save some dough and get the 7.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Jordanyme:
Samsung Tab 10 is just crap ....

I have one and since Yesterday just trying to connect it to laptop with no luck !
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Jay Rock:
You would have to troubleshoot on your laptop as well. Like reinstalling drivers and such if you didn't attempt that.

Back when it was released it was a good tablet. But with very bad support from Samsung, it lost it's grip.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Jordanyme:
Im sure that the issue is not related to my laptop since i have tried 3 laptops with no luck.

The drivers re-installed more than 10 times. Moreover the other Samsung devices recognized by same laptop properly !

im going to send it to service center :(
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Scott_HKR:
Parents have just said they will get me the Nexus 4 for christmas if I like. My phone is upgradable in February next year, so my plan is as follows. This is my current setup:

£30 a month contract, 24 months

Galaxy S2

200 minutes

Unlimited texts

500MB data

Pay off the remaining months of this contract in feb, will not be anymore than £100.

8GB Nexus 4 at christmas from the parents.

I get a sim only contract, 12 months, at £15 a month.

Unlimited data

5000 texts

600 minutes.

Am I doing the right thing...??
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BennyJr:
I say so. The freedom of no contract is an amazing feeling.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mr2324jgf:
I'm off-contract now, pre-paid sim + google voice = $30 a month and now a phone that is 299 off-contract... Win-win.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] setspeed:
Why pay off the contract early? If you've been surviving on 500MB data and 200min for the last 20mths, and you think you can do so for another 4, then just have your service provider send you a micro-sim so you can use your current contract on the new phone. Saves you £100.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eksasol:
Yeah its unlocked, so just switch the simcard from one phone to another.

But those are some good plan compared to what we have to pay here in the States, unlimited data for 15pounds, wow.
[Nexus 10 General] adamski123:
Hey guys.

So I'm certainly excited by the new nexus devices, and I defo will be getting a nexus 4 but I'm on the fence about a N10... Mainly because of the fact that its running phablet ui and not the dedicated tablet ui... What do u guys think of it? Do u think Google made a mistake in using it over the normal tab ui?

I certainly think they did :L

Post ur thoughts below.

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sent from either my one x or nexus 7.
[Nexus 10 General] Vertron:
Don't care tbh. I'll just change it to the tablet ui using a custom rom anyway. Just like Paranoid rom let's you with the Nexus 7.
[Nexus 10 General] BuddyJoe83:
There are so many possibilities to work around the phablet ui, it should be ok.

Like on the Nexus 7 you shouldn't have problems :)
[Nexus 10 General] legendary1022:
To me with Google trying to take on many consumer tablets that have just been released, going with the phablet look is just plain idiotic and looks really dumb.

When you have iPad 4, iPad mini, and Windows Surface all looking like incredible options for many people, Google has to step their game up. It is a lot of wasted space in that nav bar and feel that the tablet ui functions really well on a 10inch device.

I know on here a lot will just use a custom ROM but that isn't a viable option for a lot of people to do so. I don't understand the decision and wonder what Matias is doing honestly this past year as there really hasn't been that many changes after coming out strong when he was first hired.
[Nexus 10 General] thedicemaster:
in my opinion they shouldn't have even used it on 7" tablets.

or at least not forced it based on screen size.

and on a 10" device it seems idiotic.

the virtual keys are on an annoying location, and this makes the button bar a huge space waster.

at least in ics and hc it was used for more than just 3 tiny buttons.

I actually tried the tablet UI on my old 4.3" phone for a while and found it to be quite comfortable to use.
[Nexus 10 General] WillyVWade:
The new interface is much more "consumer friendly".
[Nexus 10 General] compty:
Sweet

Looks alright tbh
[Nexus 10 General] cusinndzl3:
I honestly don't mind it. The Nexus 7 really I think is best with the phablet UI while the Nexus 10 could have gone either way. Maybe Google should have included the ability for users to change the UI in stock Android.
[Nexus 10 General] malibu_23:
the tablet Ui is overratted, the hybrid phablet Ui is much more easier to use. My xoom UI is kinda clunky, as my nexus 7 UI feels right.

notification shade, softkeys in middle, smoother in landscape. im sold
[Nexus 10 General] jmsclbwmn:
Yeah, they screwed up.

Personally, I prefer the "phablet" UI on the N7, but not the N10. When you hold the device in landscape orientation, you will have to let go with one of your hands every time you want to use the navigation buttons, especially the home button. I like the idea of pulling down the different shades, but I don't like the super tiny clock in the notification bar. They should have eliminated the notification bar, and put everything in the nav bar, just not centered.

My $.02.
[Nexus 10 General] Kookas:
It would work if the nav bar were actually vertical in landscape instead of horizontal (think Galaxy Nexus in landscape orientation). Personally, I'm all for UI unification.

Actually, Google really should do that for all their Nexus devices - have the nav bar remain along the shortest edge, and never reposition itself. All that changes is the buttons rotate about their individual axes. Then, you could always hit the buttons with your thumb on the N10, or any other Nexus device, plus there is less wasted space.
[Nexus 10 General] YDardeer:
I hate it. When I first saw the Xoom I thought it looked absolutely great. I felt that Google gets it. You don't just put a phone UI on bigger screen and it to be the same.. phone and tablet usages are different
[Nexus 10 General] opz187:
On the Google play website they have a pic of the nexus 10 and it shows it in tablet ui. Right in front of the chrome book. Kinda confusing. https://play.google.com/store?hl=en

Edit: never mind.. here's a hands on review video of n10 with Engadget http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/
[Nexus 10 General] fr8cture:
that just looks like a full screen app.
[Nexus 10 General] Magnesus:
It doesn't look that bad on videos as it does on screenshots but I tried - I really can't reach the place where home button is with my thumb.
[Nexus 10 General] krenaud:
Bad decision

The waste of vertical space is stupid, especially on small devices as the N7. Also, having the soft buttons in the center in landscape is a poor choice on 10", no-one will be able to reach them without moving one hand.
[Nexus 10 General] jdcnosse:
This is probably the one thing I find most annoying about the N10. I understand they're trying to keep it consistent, and it works on the N7 because the way the front-facing camera is, it's meant to be in vertical position a majority of the time. Not so with the N10. I have an OG Transformer running ICS and I like that the three buttons are at the bottom left, and my notifications and clock are bottom right. I hope there is an option to change it.
[Nexus 10 General] jrush4:
I quite like phablet UI, I tried tablet UI on my N7 and didn't like it at all. Obviously there's a large difference between the N7 and N10, but I like the phablet/phone UI on bigger tablets too. I never really use my Prime anymore, but when I do I use Go Launcher EX to give it a phone UI feel, I think it's much better than the tablet UI to be honest.

Obviously it'd be good if there was an option to choose between the two, then everyone would be satisfied. Who knows, if the Android community makes enough noise Google might introduce tablet UI through an update like they did homescreen rotation on the N7!

But overall, phablet or tablet UI asside, who could resist it for £310?
[Nexus 10 General] molesarecoming:
i seriously think that could be it, the UI may be dead and wont come back.

i say this because they haven't really touched it for years, half of systemUI is stuck on honycomb. we have fixed so many crazy aosp bugs for paranoidandroid, the state of googles tabUI code was piss poor. we rewrote quite some chunks of sysUI, always wondering, what would become of it. the whole thing essentially looked like ready to get thrown out.

the UI still existed, though. they lifted it from 600dp to 720dp, basically putting it out of reach for nexus7 as if hiding it away. the problem i see: nexus10" IS 720dp. if it displays like that it can mean two things: they either went higher, say 800 or even 1000dp, again hiding it. or they killed it - which i believe is more likely.
[Nexus 10 General] Magnesus:
I love HoneyComb tablet UI - even more than the one in ICS (mostly because it had better animation in the app drawer). I hate that it's not posibble to hide the bottom bar - but since it has a clock, I'm OK with it.

But now on Nexus 10 you don't have the clock on the bottom bar, the buttons are in the place most hard to reach by thumbs and almost 400000 pixels is used by... three buttons. And you can't even hide them when playing games for example.

If it was poorly written maybe they'll rewrite it for Android 5.0 in some way...
[Nexus 10 General] homerunbm33:
Hate it. As long as I can remove the navigation bar and use button savior ill be happy.
[Nexus 10 General] zinfinion:
Is a two handed grip really the way to hold a 10" pad? I mean it's only about 1.5 inches wider on each side than a 7" tablet when both are held landscape and I cant imagine it would be any harder to hold one handed.

I'm not talking about thumb on bottom edge and fingers wrapped around the top edge, but thumb on bottom bezel and fingers resting against back. This is how I hold my 7 and I can't see suddenly switching to a two hand grip on the 10.

I also use my right middle finger to interact with the screen; I can't imagine using my thumbs on a 7" or 10" tablet (thumbs on a phone obviously is a totally different story). I'm probably the odd man out here though.

Regardless, this is why we appreciate moles. :D
[Nexus 10 General] Kookas:
The main difference is how you're supposed to hold it. You CAN hold a ten incher one-handed easily in portrait, but it's not really meant to be held that way (you won't get the best software experience doing that) and it's a lot more cumbersome and awkward doing that in landscape because only half of the tablet is horizontally supported (you have to apply some torque with your wrist to keep the other side of the tablet level).
[Nexus 10 General] t_007_v2:
I will be getting rid of the phablet ui right after I root it. I want the N10 to look just like the screenshot of my N7 below. Now if they would only announce the 64gb N10 = heaven.
[Nexus 10 General] zinfinion:
Apologies if I was unclear. I one-hand hold in the middle when using the 7 in landscape with my thumb running horizontally along the bottom from the back button to the recent apps button. And my fingers rest against the middle back, so no torque needed.

I'm presuming this grip would transition well to a 10 but it's somewhat hard to say without one handy. I can definitely see how a one-hand side hold with the thumb vertical along the left bezel would be a bit fraught with peril though.
[Nexus 10 General] blackhand1001:
I don't mind the phablet launcher and apps on my nexus 7 but I hugely prefer the tablet status bar especially in landscape. Its going to be impossible to reach the softkeys on the nexus 10.
[Nexus 10 General] Brac20:
I agree with zinfinion.

I hold my N7 one handed in landscape mode. The N10 looks pretty light and I will need a hand free for interaction of the screen anyway. Sure I'll hold it with 2 hands while watching films and what not but then I will be little reason to need quick access to the soft keys. Personally this is not an issue for me at all but I can understand why others might have an issue with it (particularly if they are used to older android tab UI's) However, as has been mentioned, you can also use a custom rom to fix this issue.

James
[Nexus 10 General] molesarecoming:
question is if tabUI still exists. what you see in these screenshots is the 720dp layout. in today's 4.1.2 jellybean 720dp is the honeycomb tabUI. it can mean two things, they either killed it, or they moved it up to a higher layout container.
[Nexus 10 General] temka:
eggzactly!
[Nexus 10 General] Samzebian:
Even if they killed it, would there be a way of retro-fitting the code for the newer versions of JB? Or re-writing it or even changing to a launcher that would have a different set of buttons?

I figured that this issue would be irrelevant (especially since this is a nexus device) with custom roms, but it appears I could be wrong, and we won't find out until a system dump is leaked or the device is released.
[Nexus 10 General] lynxboy:
Really disappointed with the phablet UI being implemented on the Nexus 10. Currently using a Xoom and can't imagine how I could possibly use the device properly with the soft keys in the centre of the screen. Also, losing screen real estate by having both a status and navigation bar is a major negative in my eyes. Will wait and see how the custom ROMs work it out, but coupled with the poor reviews and lack of storage, I think I will be giving the N10 a miss sadly.

Regards.
[Nexus 10 General] drhill:
Centered Nav buttons make it easier for lefties, not that I care about those evil buggers, and you won't accidentally hit the back button with your palm/thumb while holding the device, which I occasionally do.
[Nexus 10 General] Kookas:
There are still buttons in the top corners of the screen, unfortunately (like the main Holo app button in the top-left). Wonder if Google could redesign Holo to put the buttons more towards the centre as well?
[Nexus 10 General] whoster69:
Hmm... I seem to be out of the loop on this one. Is the only difference where the main buttons are located (Home, back, etc.)?

If not, what are the differences between tablet and phone UI?

I'm a lefty and I kind of like the idea of it being on the left (as shown on the google page in the post above). ;)
[Nexus 10 General] xManMythLegend:
It results in less real estate for your content. But it makes uniformity easier to accomplish.

Android has a good number of home screen replacements that I'm not too worried. One visit to any *show off your desktop * thread and you should be less worried and inspired by the ability to customize for any of your input needs.
[Nexus 10 General] whoster69:
You know, come to think of it, I haven't seen any show us your desktop threads that were for tablets, just the phone ones. They're probably out there, I just haven't thought to look. Would be interesting to see the differences for tabs!
[Nexus 10 General] lord69:
When using a video player app like mx player will the buttons go out completely or they just fade away into dots?

By going away completely I mean something like the note 10.1 video player in which the video takes the whole screen.....
[Nexus 10 General] saltxyz:
mx player on Nexus 7, navigation bar goes out completely. So I guess mx player on Nexus 10 as well.
[Nexus 10 General] nxss4:
I love the phablet ui, its much easier to use. I believe tablet ui is ugly. This is perfect

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[Nexus 10 General] Rage1ofakind:
It used to stay as dots but they updated the app some time ago and now it goes out completely :)

Hopefully the roaring sales of Nexus 7 and the prospect of Nexus 10 bumps up the Tablet app updates
[Nexus 10 General] drhill:
Centered Nav buttons. The clock and notifications are on the top now in a small status bar. I believe the nav bar at the bottom is now slightly smaller (just a guess from the screen I saw, no real basis on this) so there is no loss in screen area.

The launcher has a dedicated row at the bottom now like on phones and also has a super large search bar at the top. Honestly the search bar doesn't need to be that wide. It's kind of ugly.
[Nexus 10 General] vittogn:
Launchers will not modify at all UI (systemui.apk). You'll need root (easy) and a dev that will develop an hack.
[Nexus 10 General] nxss4:
Nexus 10 also has the "phone launcher", he means that you can download an "tablet launcher" ( ics like)

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[Nexus 10 General] philosopher09:
A lot of you are complaining that the centered nav buttons are harder to reach. But that's exactly what this is all about (Duarte spoke abot this a while ago). Why didn't Google fix the nav bar like they do on phones? Because this leads to accidental touches. How often have you played a game and hit the home button by accident?!

Seriously Guys, how often do you need these buttons? Neither of the three major tablet OS allows for true two handed use. need to reach for centered buttons all the time.
[Nexus 10 General] arrtoodeetoo:
So the clumsy people ruin it for the rest of us...
[Nexus 10 General] je55ter:
Actually, I most frequently have the accidental nav-bar touch issue, when I set the tablet down in landscape mode and type with both hands like on a normal keyboard, and the new layout puts the nav buttons right below the most commonly tapped key (the spacebar), so I expect this new layout will actually make that problem worse for me.
[Nexus 10 General] molesarecoming:
he was right. you can not. the laucher has nothing to do with it, the button bars are made by systemUI, not the launcher. no launcher can and will replace the buttons ever. "tablet launcher" is wrong aswell, apps bring several layouts or interfaces which are triggered on certain devices. the same launcher will look different according on which device-type it runs. the same holds true for systemUI. google uses traditionally three interfaces, phone, phablet and tablet. its the same code and the same OS thats running on phones and tablets. it is a fact they have changed the last layout into something that resembles phabletUI with two dropdown curtains. in other words: tabUI as we know it is dead or they have hidden it in a higher layout. IF they killed it, the only way possible will be custom roms that bring it back by reverting googles commits - and that would be pretty hard considering that the entire codebase must have changed.
[Nexus 10 General] nxss4:
You didn't understood me: I said you can also download an "tablet like launcher" from the play store ( go launcher for tab, apex launcher...)

I NEVER said that a launcher will modify system ui :/

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