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[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] minnemike:
Yes, the inner ring touches with the bumper on. It is sticky enough to rock the orb when lifting off. Might be that the raised inner ring part is not consistent in height from unit to unit? I have no sliding at all. I can push down the plain of the orb on the phone fairly firmly with no slippage.

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I don't buy it - alcohol solves all problems. ;)

Maybe that weird sticky ring has some sort of element to it that gets destroyed? :eek:
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nba1341:
Wow they required me to sign for the package... its a tiny little 60 dollar item wtf...

I've never had to sign for a UPS package before -_-

Guess i'll be getting it Monday now
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] powerdoesntrun:
OK, lets do this one more time, lest anyone else get confused and start getting high and mighty about who deserves what. And I'm not trolling.

Some orbs seem to be magnetic, or strong enough to stay attached to the phone when you hold only the phone. Others do not. This discrepancy is concerning.

Different people with the same case (see poetic bumper} are getting different results. Some slide off while other work fine. This same discrepancy seems to be occurring with other cases.

For some people, this orb is awesome and for some, its worthless. These people all have the same phone and similar cases. News flash: most of these cases are not different enough to warrant a supposedly easy to use charger to not grip some versus others.

I haven't seen anyone say the charger, doesn't work when the two are touching.

I won't say anything more about the sensibility of a seemingly standard accessory, created by a technologically innovative company, being so oddly incompatible with something as inconsequential as a piece of plastic, as it seems to be completely lost on this group.

Something else is wrong. we're not entitled and we're not whining. Were trying to figure out what is going on. We want the thing we paid for to do what other people who own it are saying it does and what it seems it is supposed to do. Wait until after its determined whether there is a manufacturing problem before you take the hard line that we're all idiots.

This place is so frustrating sometimes.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryan stewart:
The orb is made of that rubber they used the make those octopus toys you threw at the wall and they would walk down the wall.

Either way it holds remarkably well with or without the bumper. We shall see with a TPU case as my girl is a phone breaker. Charging is good as mine engages about 1/5th an inch away.

Also, it still works with my 600ma source I had for my nightstand already. I feel that lower juice is better for the battery being left on the charger all night.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xentar712:
Hopefully it's a one time thing... I hate to think I have to clean my phone every time I charge it
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nbell13:
I didn't have to... Weird.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bg1906:
Got mine too. Looks cool and works great. I put it on at 50% and fully charged in about 2 hrs.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rainbow1112:
Anyone with the Orb able to test if it work with the Rearth Slim Case? or Ringke Hybrid Fusion case?

Sorry if this had been asked before.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nbell13:
I would imagine it works fine with those, since it works with my thick ass Seidio Active. Phil at Android Central tests it with a similar case in his review video and it works fine.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] powerdoesntrun:
I've found that it helps to keep the rubber completely clean, as suggested in the directions, and it holds much better (except for the poetic bumper, as there appears to be no contact, so no improvement can be made). This can be difficult in homes with pets or for those who don't dust very much, as it tends to be a bit of an everything-magnet due to its tacky nature. However, wiping it down with a wet, dust-and-lint-free cloth does seem to help quite a bit. Only time will tell how often this needs to be done to keep it working well.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mellifluently:
My boyfriend and I both have the 16gb Nexus 4, we both use the official bumper and we both got the wireless charger. Strangely, my phone definitely feels like it is magnetically attracted to both wireless chargers. I can hold it a tiny bit away from the chargers and feel the familiar magnet pull. I can even hold the charger upside down with the phone on it and the phone stays on for quite a while before falling off. But my boyfriend's phone does not feel this way on either charger. It doesn't have that pull. Both phones work with both charges just fine when right side up and used as intended despite this. Both phones have their bumpers on all the time and for all my tests too.

This suggests it is more likely a discrepancy in the strength of the magnets in the phone as opposed to the charger. Of course I've only got two phones and two chargers so that's hardly a representative sampling.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jarjar124:
It seems like it charges to 100% then stops.. Is that normal?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] canecbr600:
Most cases may look similar, but that doesn't mean they are the same! Different materials, surface structure ect... U keep crying as if Google (actually LG) is trying to screw u over, not so! No one is failing to see anything but you! The orb is designed to work with the Nexus 4, and Google bumper, deal with it! I haven't seen anyone with issues with the Google bumper. I can turn my orb upside down with the phone in bumper, and the phone sticks to the bumper without droping. If the orb doesn't work for ya, return it, use it for a door stop, paper weight, whatever, won't bother anyone here. Get urself a product u can be happy with! Have a wonderful evening!
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nbell13:
Yes, things tend to stop charging when they reach 100%, seeing as how they are, you know, full :p
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Enhanced:
So then you beef is with the discrepancy, which I will call a defect, for which you can RMA and get a replacement. The non-sticky Orbs should be RMA'ed because it doesn't seem like it's the norm.

What we don't understand is why you are throwing the entire Orb under the bus because it won't work with all cases. The Orb is designed fine, but the quality control is the issue. What does this have to do with Google not being sensible or being an innovative company? Your product is broken, go get a new one and blast Google for their crappy QA, not for maliciously trying to sell you an inferior product. It is not an inferior product because the product works as advertised; which is with an unaltered phone (Nexus 4) or an official accessory (the official bumper). If it works for any other cases, it's a

bonus

, not an expected outcome. The price you paid has nothing to do with it. It works as advertised unless it's defective.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] M3ta7h3ad:
It turns off the charging circuit from the video on YouTube I've seen. Saves cooking your battery when charging all night.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gotzaDroid:
Didn't get to use mine too much as it arrived while I was sleeping and then I had to get going to work, but... I let the phone sit on the charger for an hour and a half and it went from 65% to 95% and was barely warm. The phone did not slide either. I can't tell about the magnet thing as it didn't feel like a magnetic hold as much as a rubbery grip. Either way, mines works well so far and charges fast. My real test will be in the morning when I get home and it'll sit on the charger for 8 hours.

Only two ways to put this magnet thing to rest. Either a tear down of the orb or confirmation by Google/LG.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bg1906:
I have the ionic case and it worked just fine with the case on.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xentar712:
If someone could confirm magnetism by trying to pick up a paperclip with their orb, that would be nice. I've had things temporarily demagnetize before from being in the mail. I never could explain it. My orb won't even pick up a paperclip though so I'm assuming there's either no magnet or it got demagnetized
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n1ggyn1ce:
f*ckin magnets, how do they work?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Skillfulshoe:
This thread turned into one big *****-fest.

In other news, my orb lit my Nexus 4 on fire and then shot me in the foot. So I think I might call Google for a replacement.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _ice_:
Lol its not magnet! The orb even stuck to my nexus 7's back (I thought nexus 7 had wireless charging as well). Its one of those cling materials they use on those car mount pad things.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elwilson4:
I have the Rearth Slim case. It charges fine for me. No slipping and good sticking.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kcbboy:
not a magnet. Just real tacky material.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leyton01:
Anyone's order from the 12th or later shipped?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xentar712:
I like the SNL parody of that song better :)
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elsydeon:
I got mine today and can confirm that the Orb doesn't hold a Poetic bumper in an airborne fashion. I originally thought from pics that both black rings made contact with the phone, but the inner ring is the only part that's sticky, and it protrudes out from the rest of the Orb. The outer ring is just hard plastic. The bumper makes contact with this hard plastic ring, which means the back of the phone doesn't ever really get to properly touch the inner ring. Why LG didn't just make both rings sticky to begin with is beyond me, it probably would solve a lot of the issues with certain cases not working, as you'd have more sticky surface area to work with.

On the other hand though, the Poetic bumper's TPU is sticky enough on its own that you can prop the phone up on a desk with the Orb, and even though it slides down, it doesn't seem to slide down any further. The sticky TPU stops it from skidding down any further. I haven't had any issues with my phone charging like this.

Side note, I don't see why people actually expect this charger to work with third party cases. That it works at all is a plus, but not a given. If you really expected it to work 100% with all third party cases, then you probably don't really understand the concept of OEM products. OEM products tend to be designed specifically to NOT work beyond the original set of OEM products. It's very easy to see that this Orb was designed specifically to grip the bare glass back, and the width of the rings, along with how the inner ring is raised, was designed to work with the wider width of the LG bumper. I see these all as design decisions to lock you to using LG's bumper (or just the bare phone) as much as possible. If they really wanted to make this a universal charger, they would've simply made the entire front of the Orb out of the sticky material, and engraved the Nexus logo into that, or in the back of the Orb.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gbr:
Hello Everyone. With cover Nillkin Fashion PU Flip Leather Case will work?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rainbow1112:
Thanks.

Another question will it work with other phone that also use qi charging standard?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ftnguyen1:
I can hold my orb upside down with my phone stuck to it and lightly shake it and it stays fine. This is all due to the sticky rubber on the orb and possibly my SGP skin on the back. My phone doesn't stick at all if i place a kleenex between it and the orb, so i can confirm no magnets on mine at least.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrHat001:
Does the orb (or the phone) make any sort of noise while charging? For example a clicking or whiring noise.

I'm thinking of getting one of these and using it on by bedside table but it would be annoying as hell if it's making a noise.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] M3ta7h3ad:
There are videos on YouTube demonstrating it charging a Nokia lumia.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rizzxx7:
Charges my wife's lumia just fine
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strikerzer0:
Somebody can tell me the voltage range of the ac adapter please?

I need to know if this will work on 220V.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] El Daddy:
100-240V
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ashkan_mc:
Hey guys

I have a question about wireless charging.

How does it work? We should connect it once to electric power and then can use it forever without being connected to power supply?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] powerdoesntrun:
Do you really think I expect the thing to mow my lawn and cook my breakfast? Apparently we need to slow down even more.

It would have been REALLY (I mean REALLY) easy for this to have been done right. All they had to do was make the rubber part a little thicker. That's it. If they wanted to try and force us to buy the official bumper, then that would make sense, but it would be a very apple thing to do.

Otherwise, they spent months designing and manufacturing the thing. They clearly put lots of though into it, including the decision about how thick to make the pad. And not one of the many really smart people thought, "maybe the thickness matters. Maybe making it too thin will make this the first non-case-agnostic qi charger. That would be completely pointless. Let's test it" would you have thought that? I don't know. But I imagine that whoever had the forethought to design something like this would be intelligent enough to think of this really obvious scenario.

someone on reddit said there Nokia charger works through a coffee table. So why are we moving backwards? These are the people who decided to move beyond carriers and that we should be able to buy cheaper phones. Clearly they have progressive ideas about choices in technology. So why are people here so content with the idea that a company shouldn't expect or care at all that you might use unofficial accessories? Because "that's life, deal with it." Why not lead, especially when it requires hardly any effort to at least meet the standards of your competetors? Remember the car home app? It seems they expected that you would use it with a third party holder in your car. Why then and not now?

If they had thought it through and corrected for it, you'd be singing their praises for being so progressive and supporting open standards. People threw a fit when they did away with micro sd and removable batteries. If they had instead done away with micro USB and created their own port, you know what would happen here? Everyone would be revolting because they have to buy a new $10 cable.

The idea is really cool and I'm glad it works for many people, and thus is the perfect example of a first world problem. I'm not an idiot. It's not lost on me. But I seem to be the only one looking ahead here. We're trying to break the cycle of being shackled by carrier contracts but we care nothing of shelling out cash for and filling our homes and landfills with piles of redundant accessories because "it's not x company's responsibility to think about universality, standards and sustainability. Because, capitalism, bro" if that was the mentality, we never would have gotten manufacturers to agree to the micro USB standard and we'd be here complaining about that. I thought we had crossed a similar bridge with qi, but I guess Google thinks it's not time to cross it, even though all the evidence suggests otherwise.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leyton01:
The more and more you whinge on this thread the more I am doubting that this is true.

Please STFU.

It works with some bumpers it doesn't with others. Build a bridge, get over it.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] powerdoesntrun:
You know what, you're right. There's clearly no more room for critical thought in this thread.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GorillaPimp:
Holy f$%& what a piece of crap. No problems testing it out short term after it arrived yesterday. I have it on my nightstand. I noticed how crooked it was with the official bumper so I decided to take the bumper off. I was disappointed that it couldn't register the difference between charging and docking other than by making a noise but maybe that could be fixed. I go to sleep. Wake up and my phone is on the damn floor. Not cool. Luckily it wasnt hardwood or ceramic tile.

I move the charger away from the edge of the nightstand so if the phone falls it wont crash to the floor. While reading this thread it slides a couple of times and eventually lays flat on the nightstand. Both the charger and the phone are clean. No vibration alerts. Its about 68 degrees in here. As a borderline Google fanboy and longterm Nexus supporter this is a huge disappointment. I'm going to see if it stays put with the bumper next.

Yeah its not the friggin apocalypse. Its also not what I paid for. Buyer beware.

Update - same thing no matter how I position it. Landscape mode is in the process of failing now.

Update - I wiped the charger down with slightly damp lint-free cloth to see if it would work better. It wasn't dirty but I thought that the rubbery rings on the charged were too dry. I can now hold the charger upside down and the phone wont fall off. Easy enough fix. I've seen these types of dock mounts before but never had one so its my inexperience along with no documentation. Maybe its the really low humidity in my home. Anyway problem solved.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] americasteam:
It has to always be plugged in to a wall outlet.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] G1ForFun:
Wow lots of complaints in here. Mine works great with the official bumper. No cons here.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Psyclism:
I purchased three of these orbs. One for the bedside, one for my home office and one for work. All three sick to my phone like glue, and this is with the Ringke Slim case installed.

I also noticed that the charger will never "disconnect" from the phone once charging is complete. It'll go into trickle charge mode just like if were connected via USB. I slept with daydream on all night last night and the battery, according to my logs, would charge to 100% then drop to 97‰ before charging back to 100%. It never turned off, so the phone always thought it was charging, making this a perfect solution for a bedside clock.

All the other Qi chargers I tried would turn off once charging was complete, making bedside use impractical.

All three chargers I have behave the same way.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nbell13:
Uhh... it's not meant to be a "dock"... Not sure how some people got that in their heads
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
I'm looking at the 'Powermat Portable Mat'

But can't seem to find out if its QI ....

Anyone know?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c_86:
No powermat is not qi. Talked to them the other day. No powermat products are qi.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ra_grand:
I have a palm pre charging pad too. I have some friends in google who have worked on the nexus 4 and they tell me that it is not posible to charge using the pre existing models. guess we have to purchase this then..
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anirudh412:
They are right. Touchstone is not Qi standard. You could always purchase other Qi compatible transmitters from Amazon or eBay. Like the Energizer ones. Cost anywhere from 25-35 dollars.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
Dammit - was such a good price aswell
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 1680:
List of Qi Charger

The following is list of charger that conform to Qi charging standard (that I know of):

- (Hitachi) Maxell AirVoltage WP-PD10 (rebranded as Energizer Dual Inductive Charger)

- (Hitachi) Maxell AirVoltage WP-PD10S (rebranded as Energizer Single Inductive Charger)

- (Hitachi) Maxell AirVoltage WP-QIST10

- Panasonic Chargepad (QE-TM101)

- LG WCP-700 Qi Charger

- Zens Wireless Single Charger

- Zens Wireless Dual Charger

- Nokia FatBoy Pillow

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Qi12, a.k.a Nokia charging plate (for Lumia 920 and 820)

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Q9 Single Charger

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Q100 Single Charger

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Q200 Dual Charger

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Q300 Dual Charger

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Qi300 Single Charger

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Qi400 Dual Charger

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Qi500 Dual Charger

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Qi600 Single Charger

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Solar Wireless Charger (dual charger)

- upcoming Nexus 4 Charging Orb

Qi Charger with additional function

- JBL PowerUp Speaker (speaker with NFC Auto Pairing function)

- upcoming TDK Wireless Charging Cube (speaker with NFC Auto Pairing function)

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Wireless Charger with Bluetooth speaker

- Citiwave (Yijieneng) Wireless Charging Table

Other Wireless Charging Standard:

- Duracell Powermat (and the original Powermat) is using different wireless charging standard and NOT compatible with Qi standard.

- Palm Touchstone charger also NOT compatible with either Qi or Powermat standard.

Hope it helps...
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
Thanks, gonna see if any of these are in the UK and at what prices :)

Edit: amazon UK have the fatboy, but its £80

Fu** that! LOL
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] irishtexmex:
I just wanted to reiterate the above quote. tl;dr It's worth it.

I was an OG Palm Pre user (even waited in line the morning they came out) and the Touchstone was definitely an awesome accessory. The wireless charging was cool, but that can be achieved by a Powermat or Qi charging method---the magnets that held the phone in portrait or landscape orientation and told the phone that it was docked was the awesome part (as were the "gecko feet", but I haven't' seen anything mentioned about that on the Orb, so w/e).

There were a TON of people who integrated touchstones into their cars, and it was a nearly universal consensus that it worked fantastically. I had a pogo pin cardock for my GN, and it was a pita to take my TPU case off and then "easily" insert it into the dock. Being able to jerryrig some type of Charging Orb dock into my car is going to be a significant upgrade in my eyes.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Capt.PP:
I'm looking forward to see a battery case build in inductive charging with 5k-10k mAh. It would be so awesome for prolong vacations, off grid or limited charging ability.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] florelui001p:
I decided to snag two energizer qi mats. They can charge up to two qi devices (getting two nexus 4) and a third device via usb. Plus at 30 bucks a piece with shipping I thought they were a great deal.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Capt.PP:
Start at 2:30.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] florelui001p:
The iPhone? Not sure what you meant

Edit: The charging sleeve (I'm guessing that's what you meant) is for devices that don't have qi charging built in such as the iPhone. If you look it up, it's compatible with any qi device, the nexus 4 is qi based so it works without any modification
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] peachpuff:
Where did you find them for that price?
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] florelui001p:
On eBay both were brand new and sealed.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Capt.PP:
In the video the test unit is iphone with Qi case on, you can see it kept losing magnetic energy randomly. I saw another video when they compared with android phone on Energizer Qi mat same thing happened. Beware.
[Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] florelui001p:
Ah ok now I see what you meant thanks for the heads up! The reason I went with this qi pad was because my friend has one for his iPhone, he's had it and hasn't had any issues with it when I asked for his opinion. Hopefully I don't have any problems either! Once I receive them(and the nexus 4) ill report back to inform the community in case there are any issues.