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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] clayrussell:
This is an easy one. Galaxy Note 2 all the way! I will admit that the Nexus looks more attractive than in previous leaked pics but still for the aforementioned reasons, I'm sticking with the Note.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Dahazman:
Exactly what I thought when I read the news. I got a Note and a GNex and I go back and forth. I do find I use my Note more though so I'm keeping my pre-order for the Note 2.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] SMARTPHONEPC:
I will want to read reviews but I will check them both out again in a T-Mobile store asap & may get both to see which I use more/like more..

The https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_16gb is the best looking LG handset (check out video at http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-4-leaked-on-video/ & http://www.google.com/nexus/4/) I've seen with good (I actually usually prefer IPS & this will have higher PPI-hopefully the speaker won't suck like prior Nexus smartphones) although obviously not perfect specs (no expandable storage etc) but is priced well. The Note2 S-pen & software are pretty unique so I wonder if I will keep both:)

I also want to read the reviews on: https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_10_16gb as I'm not sure I'm feeling the Win8 tablet I briefly played with the other day at BestBuy.

Feelin' like a Google FanBoy today: https://play.google.com/store/devices :cool:

Even the chromebook ( https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_samsung_wifi ) is priced to sell & I actually use the Cr-48 Google sent me more than I expected..may get one for my 9 yr old niece..

BTW, interesting video look at: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3568784/nexus-10-preview-price-release-date
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Alaris:
I feel that different manufactures are realizing that getting updates out are a big deal to the buyers now. And even so there is always a way to get the new software on non nexus devices. My big issue with the nexus line is that I enjoy keeping my music on my phone, and that 16 gigs just cuts it to close storage wise. Also at this point no LTE is a little ridiculous, even the iPhone has it now lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] SMARTPHONEPC:
I agree it's not the greatest trend to exclusively rely on the cloud but have you tried:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.music

"Access your entire music library instantly with the Google Play Music app, and save your favorites for offline playback"

https://play.google.com/music/listen

How much music do you want to keep locally?

Movies-video is much more of a storage hog..::eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Alaris:
Yeah I person don't keep to much music but am known to download the high end games that take up space to. I guess I just like the piece of mind of knowing I can add a card to my phone. Especially since I just got away from the iPhone scene lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Rhonda02:
This article on xdaforums.com gives the light in which we can observe the reality. regards
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mr mystery:
No LTE, not even 42Mbps DC-HSPA just 21Mbps. No expandable storage and crappy LG camera sensor. I'm sticking with my Note 2 decision.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Entropy512:
Easy. Nexus or Nothing.

Nexus: Google software, Google updates

AT&T Note II: All of Samsung's usual software quality control issues (Such as inability to properly deliver "Project Butter" in its entirety on Exynos 4412 - Seriously, even the GNex UI responsiveness beats it!), plus all the bugs AT&T loves to throw in. You can absolutely count on AT&T firmwares to be steaming turds.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] antiochasylum:
As I agree 100% with you Entropy; the devices appeal to different markets. You have almost an inch screen size different.

Pro's and Con's of both devices. Apples to oranges. I myself will be getting both. Why not!? The nexus is only 349$ that's cheap, and 299$ if you get the 8gb.

My opinion. If you can afford the Note. Get the Nexus as well. I'll run the Note as my personal phone and Nexus as my work phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] lccwm:
The only thing for this LGN4 is 4.2 and updates support as it usually follow... :good: that's it... :rolleyes: dev will port ;) note 2 all the wait...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] antiochasylum:
As he said Samsung can't even get butter right on the 4412. (If you dont know what the 4412 is google it, learn something new.) CM has pretty much dropped support. Seeing new light and the exynos becoming open source might change this however.

Fingers crossed at least. Because touchwizz straight up sucks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Scythe024:
Am I missing something? I player with the tmobile gnote 2 and it ran as smoothly if not smoother then my nexus 7 so how did they get project butter wrong?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] lccwm:
Yes, I heard exynos 4412 stopped dev right at the door... I love to flash a much better rom but, hmm... guess I just can't stand without card slot... 4.1 is good enough from now for me...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] rans0m00:
Still sticking with my note 2 pre-order. The gn4 looked nice except the storage options... just as bad as the note2 but at least I can throw in an sd card for my media. I will probably end up buying the gn4 or something similar to use in situations that might ruin my note2... like cycling, running, day at the beach. You get the idea. Hard to argue with a phone that has good specs and is really cheap by todays standards for off contract.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] KarlJ:
I agree, and what I also have in mind. Having said that, if I had to choose either or, I don't know what I'd do.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mr mystery:
Why are you posting here?

What are you referring to here? Device hasn't even launched yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] gtalum:
I'm still torn and undecided. Having the best features of 4.2 implemented in the updated Search app tilts things in favor of the Note 2.

I really like the idea of the Nexus 4 but I don't think I want to go another 2 years without LTE, nor do I want to be limited to 16 GB on the device. I could live with the 16GB limitation if the N4 had LTE.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] SMARTPHONEPC:
I remain really impressed with the N4 price point & its hardware aesthetics but the Note2 is still more versatile if you can put up with the size & plasticky build (I'd slap a case on it but I do wish it had a more premium exterior). I look forward to seeing them side by side in a T-Mobile store on 11/14 & may trial them both if the N4 is as impressive in person. If the N4 loud-speaker sucks like prior Nexus devices it would be a deal breaker for me but I prefer IPS' more natural colors personally. I also want to see reviews including battery life etc..I'm sure they will be pitted against each other.

I hope the US Note2 gets the split screen multitasking-multview soon : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h12245evQ4w as well as advertised screen screen recorder function http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j-oTLGPUEY & the S-Pen functionality can't be matched

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/...-gesture-keyboard-multiple-users-photo-sphere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66-4uMQqerA
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] RojasTKD:
I agree the price point of the Nexus 4 is outstanding compared to other non-contract pricing. The display PPI rivel the iPhone and it should look amazing, But no MicroSD or LTE really is not very appealing to me. When you consider the S pen and other software functionality Samsung add (multitasking-multview, screen recording and all the little shortcuts and features). I'm planning on getting the Note II sometime in November.

I may however consider the Nexus 4 for my business phone as I will spend my upgrade on the Note II. Though I may just use My SGS II for that and see what comes down the line, I will have another upgrade in May. My SGS II is running 4.1.2 JellyBean AOKP is it's really extended the life of my phone. Maybe I'll wait and see there is a substantial device soming in 2013 (maybe the SGS IV?)

I've never had LTE and as it wasn't available in my area didn't really care, but it's now available in South Florida and don't see why I would get a new phone without it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] gtalum:
This is me, too. I don't want to stick myself with HSPA+ for 2 more years when I'm now covered by LTE in Tampa Bay.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mtucker:
I could live without expandable storage and just stream everything if the Nexus 4 had LTE. HSPA+ speed is OK in my area (North San Diego), but not consistent enough to rely on if I needed to stream everything. LTE coverage and speeds are great here. I think going to a smaller screen (after getting use to the Note 1 screen) would be tough too.

The N4 is a good no-contract option though and immediate OS updates would be nice, but the Note 2 is the phone for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Alaris:
Yeah I am leaning towards staying with my pre order of the note 2. The 16gb wouldn't be bad with cloud storage but AT&T throttles you after 3gb and and I listen to a lot of music.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] baudilus:
This.

Exactly.

I don't need LTE because I don't live in an LTE area, and the Note 2 will cover me for when I AM in an LTE area - I usually just turn on wifi tethering and connect my laptop, iPad, etc.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] antiochasylum:
Pretty sure this is an open forum And he's allowed to post where ever he likes to.

Also I really hope you know who *he* is and what he has done for the community, more so pretty much called Samsung out and now they are going open source. Supposedly.

He's referring to the i9300 which to this day still doesn't run cm correctly. HWcomposer still isn't 100% functional. Its able to run CM nicely because of the quad core only. Not because of everything functioning correctly.

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I live in an LTE area, so the decision is simple for me. Running my d2att with LTE and going back to HSPA is like dial up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Entropy512:
Yup... If the AT&T Note II gets CM, it will be from a brand new maintainer who has never done a CM bringup on Exynos before, and likely not from anyone who has done a CM bringup on any device... The rest of the CM team has seen how painful it's been for the Exynos maintainers and are going to avoid it like the plague.

I follow this device as it is one that I was considering getting, until I did some serious thought. FYI, I'm the Cyanogenmod maintainer for the original Note.

If someone competent seems to take on the task of doing a CM bringup I'll give them advice.

So? One merely has to look at Samsung's track record over the past two years, and even more importantly, AT&T's track record of horrifically mangling Samsung firmwares to know that the software on this device is going to be HORRIFICALLY buggy and crippled.

Look at the AT&T GSII as one example:

UCKH7 had a nasty bug in the AP Mobile widget that would cause it to eat massive amounts of data (100+MB/day in some cases) even if you didn't use it at all.

UCKK6 had massive power management regressions. Samsung fixed these within 2 weeks on international devices, but AT&T never gave customers an update until ICS was released nearly six months later.

UCLE5 (or whatever the ICS release was) somehow managed to not fix the UCKK6 power management flaws, be unstable as hell, AND introduced I777 users to their first official taste of the infamous "Superbrick" phenomenon. Oh yeah, it was 2-3 months after I9100 received ICS, which was 4 months after Nexus owners got it.

And that gets into Samsung's overall quality control: When made aware of a severe and dangerous bug that can cause permanent unrecoverable damage to a device (not even JTAG can repair it), their response was to promise they were "working hard" on it, and then deploy kernels that can trigger the bug to previously "safe" devices a month later (I9100 XWLPM). To this date, not a single affected device has received Samsung's official fix to protect devices from damage.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] garyd9:
lol - I couldn't help myself. I actually have the n7100 in my hand right now, and the AT&T variant on order. (I managed to talk AT&T into giving me yet another early upgrade - 3 months after the previous one.)

Once I have both side by side, I'll spend a few days trying to decide which to keep, and which to sell. I'm leaning towards selling the AT&T variant - even though LTE is finally active in my area. LTE is fast, but with data caps and my non-wifi usage pattern (webpages, tapatalk and email), I think having quicker bug fixes and updates is more important.

In order to stay on topic, I'll throw my on-topic opinion into the thread: I don't like the nexus4. I'll probably buy one for development purposes and as a backup phone, but not to use on a daily basis. This is also how I use my galaxy nexus.

Why? Two major reasons (and a 3rd which combines the first two):

1. Lack of removable battery. Unless the nexus4 turns out to have battery life as good as the note2, not having a changable battery is a deal killer for me. This wouldn't be so much a problem if the it weren't for #2 (and therefore #3.)

2. Lack of removable storage (microSD slot.) I also use my phone as a music player, and I have a LOT of music. I'm also starting to use it for taking "cute" videos of my kids. My "carry around" music collection is about 20GB (my tastes vary on my mood, so I have several genres available.) Even the larger Nexus4 device (16GB) isn't enough to store my music.. and videos.. and apps.. and a couple backups.

3. I realize that google is suggesting that people use "the cloud" to store music, photos, videos and even backups, but I think google is very much out of touch with reality. "the cloud" means data usage - which means my monthly phone bill goes up. It also means that the battery in my phone drains faster - which is a real problem when I can't change the battery! I wonder what streaming high quality music for 10 hours, along with 3-4 hours of screen time, and about 2 hours of phone calls would do to the battery life.

If the thing had a microSD card slot, I'd jump all over it (even with the non-removable battery.) At that point, if the battery wasn't lasting I'd get one of those backup bricks. As it is, I have to wonder if google is getting a kick-back from the wireless carriers by driving up data usage.

I think before you ask which phone to get, you have to ask how you'll use the phone. If you want the stylus, there's only one choice. If you want all the strange samsung additive "features", there's only one choice. If you want real AOSP android (or cyanogenmod, aokp, etc) then you'll be better off with a nexus. In the latter case, I'd even suggest an older Galaxy Nexus over the note2.)

Take care

Gary
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] MattMJB0188:
Why would anyone consider anything other than Samsung or an Apple device nowadays? Samsung is the way to go with Android. I mean LG, really?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] surge27:
LG has a bad rep with their own software updates but working closely with Google should change all that. Plus the build quality on the N4 is much better than the GNex.

For the the sake of this topic, the G Note 2 vs N4 is hard to compare because their pretty different phones. Like its been said before, personal preference will decide.

I just wonder if there will be surprise variants on other carriers besides T-Mo.

Have a funny feeling that may happen
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] MattMJB0188:
Yeah. But I still will take the N2 any day over an LG device. I will root and run vanilla android anyway. :P
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Scythe024:
im going to guess the N4 uses a standard sim? Where as the Gnote using a micro sim? Kind of sucks if you wanted to go back and forth.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] qnet:
I think it may take a micro-sim this time. It loads from the side like the Iphone.

I pre-ordered the Note 2 through At&t. When I heard about the nexus 4 I tried to cancel my Note 2 order but I guess they're not letting me. I'll still get the Nexus 4 but, not sure I will keep the Note 2.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] hull22:
surely you're aware of sim cutters and sim adapters
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] barry99705:
Some of us no longer have unlimited data. Clouds are pretty and all, but without a way to get to them, they're just clouds.

That worked out really well for Motorola..... :rolleyes:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Scythe024:
Yes, but I've heard a lot of cut Sim cards failing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] surge27:
Sure did, new devices will have unlocked bootloaders
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] SMARTPHONEPC:
While I generally have access to fast Wi-Fi (& Mountain View may have municipal Wi-Fi), it wasn't an excuse rather a suggestion that users can make songs available offline from Google Music.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.music

"* Access your entire music library instantly with the Google Play Music app, and save your favorites for offline playback."

Note2 is certainly a more versatile device but it's cool to know the Nexus 4 price point has gotten that low (that some people can even consider it as a secondary device).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] ekerbuddyeker:
I am using the TMOB version unlocked with at&t sim. Its simply a fantastic device. Never enjoyed any device as much.

Have order the at&t version because once you have LTE you can never go back.

You can buy a micro sim adapter for about $2. And a cutter for the same. So no issue to switch.

As for the cloud... access can be as reliable as Hurricane Sandy, which can knock out access to cell towers etc. That's why internal storage is also important.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Entropy512:
Heheh. I'm kinda surprised you bought another Sammy after you ragesold your original N7000 to me. :) Great timing, you got out just before Superbrick started rearing its ugly head.

Yup. LG's problems in the past have been software quality. People forget that was the same for non-Nexus Samsungs - the software was crap. Being a Nexus eliminates software quality issues from the Nexus 4.

You will, will you? Now, how will you do that when every single Cyanogenmod maintainer for Exynos4 devices has announced that they will not touch any more Exynos4 devices? Cyanogenmod for N7100 is highly questionable (There are some people working it, but I'm not sure if they'll be able to "go the distance".), and CM for the North American carrier variants is even less likely. Oh yeah, you'll likely be stuck with CM10 nightlies at best (currently, no Exynos4 device has any chance of receiving M, RC, or Stable builds). I have yet to see a new maintainer step up that has the experience to "go the distance" with CM11. (to be honest, stable CM11 on most of these devices will likely never be possible unless Samsung has a major change of attitude.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Alaris:
I thought Samsung said they were releasing the code at the end of the month?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Entropy512:
They have a VERY poor track record with their promises/claims. See the whole eMMC "superbrick" fiasco - they claimed to be "working diligently" on a solution at the beginning of June, and at the beginning of July they threw a grenade in the faces of the I9100 community with XXLQ5 and XWLPM. "working diligently" my ass. Oh yeah, not a single affected device has had their official fix pushed to it yet. I9300 has - but it doesn't have defective flash in the first place! WTF?

There's a good chance they might "officially release" what they pushed to Insignal at the end of last week - which, while it has some new interesting tidbits, is still as fundamentally broken as the Hardkernel or old Insignal reference source that triggered this whole thing in the first place. We now have no less than THREE different reference source repos, ALL of which are clearly missing functionality present in Samsung's binaries.

In short, I'm expecting it to probably be another case of saying they care, promising the community they'll do something to get people to shut up, and then totally fail to deliver anything that is meaningful in any way.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] SMARTPHONEPC:
Do you think they feel any more pressure to keep up with software PR now that Google introduced an LG made Nexus 4 from $299 price point?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] mr mystery:
I guess I owe you an apology bro, I'll publicly eat crow :o
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] antiochasylum:
Possibly. I know the 299 selling point vs 700 is a huge slap in the face.

@Entropy I'd love to help get CM on this device. There is already works on the 7100. I need to look and what's being done. But I'm going to try myself once I get it and my Nexus 4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Entropy512:
That and the fact that Sony wtfpwned them at Big Android BBQ. Seriously, Sony REALLY stole the show. Samsung's biggest announcement was pretty much "yeah we might start playing catch-up".

I really think 349 is the better price point comparison (16GB instead of 8GB). CM10 shouldn't be TOO difficult... of course you're in for pain when CM11 rolls around. Big thing that could be nasty on the AT&T version is RIL interfacing - no one has ever interfaced to an Exynos LTE RIL before.

$349 vs. $650 is why the "no MicroSD card" complaints start fizzling out. For the remaining $350, you can buy an OTG cable, a ****-ton of USB thumb drives, and may as well grab a 64GB wi-drive while you're at it.

Another way of looking at it:

For $650 you can get:

A Note II with no accessories

OR

16GB Nexus 4 ($350)

32GB Nexus 7 ($250)

OTG cable ($5 or so)

Blurex case for N7 ($15)

32GB USB stick ($20)

$10 or so left over (let's assume you get nailed with tax/shipping for the Note2 also)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] antiochasylum:
Man I wish I could have attended the BBQ. Its only 20 min from where I live.

Any who didn't think about the LTE RIL....FML. lol.

It has been explained why Google doesn't want an SD card, yes they want you to use the cloud but the big thing was storing pictures, music, videos etc. Its comes to a point that the user doesn't know which media its stored on. More options to select SD card or internal. Google didn't want that. So no SD card.

As you stated I could care less about no SD. I don't game. I have an Xbox for that. 16gb is more than enough. For what I use my phone for. If i need to do more I have a laptop for that. Plus it will accompany my N7 nicely. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] F123D:
So I learned I have a 20% discount on handsets through my company.

What would you choose?

$530 Note II or $350 Nexus 4?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] gtalum:
I made the final decision to stay with Note II. I just can't live with HSPA+ for another 2 years.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Entropy512:
Getting a bit OT - why couldn't you make it???
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] :
Both.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] :
Currently using my Note. I hate the Note 2 design but no LTE in the Nexus just kills it for me. No good solution.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] truth77:
Your crazy if you think the note 1 styling is better than the note 2, and you know i have one so im not trying to play the note 1! And I'll probably sound Like a **** to some of you out there cause I sound like one to me when I say this lol, but I'm probably gonna get both! I wouldn't pass up the note 2, but I do want a ghost phone with a ghost identity and $350 for an unlocked quad core glass lg beast sounds about right ;) even if its not the best speced phone which it isn't compared to the note 2.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] antiochasylum:
Lol yea a but OT, but being a newly wed(married 9/30), a combo of work and honeymoon. Would have been nice to meet all you guys.

Any who, are you going to be picking up the Note 2, even though you have a love/hate relationship with Samsung Lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] Entropy512:
If they make major changes in developer relations, it would be the next Samsung device I'd consider... But it'll be a while.