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[Galaxy S III General] BarryH_GEG:
Everyone has a short memory. Doesn't anyone remember the disaster that was the G2X/O2X? The former is a victim of a class action lawsuit because of its issues. The Optimus G which the N4 is based on is already having overheating issues in review units. And LG's response should be familiar to any G2X/O2X owners. Since the N4 isn't running LG's crappy s/w it might not be an issue. But it could be an issue with LG's crappy h/w and or S4 Pro. Perhaps the G and N4 are a turning point for LG. Perhaps they aren't. This isn't a phone I'd personally want to be first to own.

One big problem: I did most of my testing with the screen brightness set to maximum. I noticed it dip considerably after about 10 or 15 minutes of benchmarking. When I checked on it in the phone's Settings, I saw the brightness level had dropped down to 66 percent. I tried to turn it back up, and got the message, "Unable to brighten more due to high temperature. Try again later." This happened on multiple occasions. Especially when using processor-intensive applications like games, the top half of the phone became increasingly warm. LG claims it has not encountered this problem, but this (AT&T) device, along with two test units on Sprint all showed the same behavior in our tests.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411169,00.asp​
[Galaxy S III General] Galactus:
No way can I go from 48gb of memory to 16gb. Just doesn't make sense.
[Galaxy S III General] BarryH_GEG:
More on the overheating from Anand when he was running benchmarks.

Despite being based on the same hardware, the Optimus G is able to post a much higher score here than the Nexus 4. The explanation is simple: the Optimus G can't complete a single, continuous run of GLBenchmark 2.5 - the app will run out of texture memory and crash if you try to run through the entire suite in a single setting. The outcome is that the Optimus G avoids some otherwise nasty throttling. The Nexus 4 on the other hand manages to complete everything, but likely quickly throttles its clocks down due to thermal constraints. The Nexus 4 was really hot by the end of our GLBenchmark run, which does point to some thermal throttling going on here. I do wonder if the Snapdragon S4 Pro is a bit too much for a smartphone, and is better suited for a tablet at 28nm.​
[Galaxy S III General] brooon:
It´s jut funny to see how damn FAST attitudes towards a phone can change :D on the one day, everybody is like "goddamned, this thing is just the BOSS!", but only one day later everybody whacks on LG & Google or the N4, respectivly.

Come on guys, it should be a SW issue with a 99,9% propability...there are just a bunch of handsons out now, every single one of it with a non-final SW version...JB is still not supported in many benchmark testst (and on and on...)

The "Nexus 4 mania" just became an emotional rollercoaster...calm down guys ;)
[Galaxy S III General] fahadsul3man:
the nexus 4 lacks 4g and its only advantage is having 2gb ram something which the i9305 has ......... other than that the build quality of the nexus 4 is better than s3
[Galaxy S III General] skimminstones:
doubt ill be getting rid of my gs3 until there is a decent selection of 4g phones and services in the UK
[Galaxy S III General] XDA mark:
Add: it also has a better screen, runs stock Android, great future support for updates.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Yeah, a phone heating up considerably during a benchmark is deeeeeeefinitely software issues.. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] brooon:
Uhm,... Yepp?? :p
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
No. Not only, at least.
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
I wonder what LG were thinking about selling their flagship when they made Google the same device for almost half the price.
[Galaxy S III General] wileykat:
Spanish retailer suspends plan to sell the Nexus 4 as LG hikes its retail price by hundreds of euros http://tnw.to/jORj
[Galaxy S III General] kopkiwi:
Seems like a great phone. But the apparently rubbish camera and no external SD means no sale.

If I was to sell the s3 at this stage it would be for a Motorola Razr Maxx HD.
[Galaxy S III General] masterex567:
Nah.

No doubt the Nexus 4 is out with great features.

But on a second thought, the S3 still rocks. ^_^

The motion features, etc.

Nexus 4 has clean android.

On the S3, you can benefit from touchwiz features.

Or set up dual boot, and enjoy clean android as well. :)
[Galaxy S III General] biffsmash:
at £239 unlocked i'm going to give it a try and if it proves as good as they say and beats the S3 in speed and design and build quality as well as having a comparable camera i'll keep it.

Having a creakyplastic S3 with limited to no multitasking capabilities, and CM10/AOKP as main rom, seems silly if the Nexus beats it to a pulp.

Having limited storage, for me, is simply bragging rights as i've never filled 8gb let alone 16gb. Only downfall is backing up files is much harder than simply sticking them on the SD Card.

So i'll test them side by side and whichever one wins, the other will be sold.
[Galaxy S III General] TheCraig:
The only appealing thing from the Nexus 4 is that Processor and ram, in general I hate it, and the heating issues... Google choose the wrong oem this time.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Though these are highly subejctive. Not everyone cares for touchwiz, and not everyone cares for a jittery/laggy version of clean android. I don't mind the jitteryness as long as touchwiz is gone from my S3.
[Galaxy S III General] fahadsul3man:
yeah its cheaper than s3 , has twice as much the ram , plus it has better build materials only drawback is its not 4g but who cares
[Galaxy S III General] BarryH_GEG:
Especially when said phone is a Nexus and not running any OEM s/w. ;)

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The thing people lose sight of is what Samsung does in the background to tweak the s/w for each device its running on for better performance. The N10 is easily outperformed by the Note 10.1 which shouldn't be considering the A15 vs. A9 SoC. And I'm not talking about benchmarks related in any way to display resolution. There is only one AOSP 4.2 and it treats each device it's running on equally with no device-specific optimizations. The good news is that once the devs get their hands on it the upside potential in tweaking it to run better on an individual device is huge.

SunSpider (Lower is Better)

1194 - Note 10.1

1384 - N10

2101 - TF700 (ICS)

BrowserMark (Higher is Better)

162657 - Note 10.1

139551 - N10

118375 - TF700 (ICS)

Let's go back in time, shall we? The GN was announced after the SGS2. SGS2 owners were going nuts about all the greatness of the new "Nexus." It got good reviews too. It turned out to have a horribly dim display, crappy battery life, and a dog for a camera. The N4 could be the Holy Grail of smartphones or it could have major failings. It's way too early to tell one way or the other. And it's not like the SGS3 is "broken."
[Galaxy S III General] -sandro-:
I see people here complaining about the S3 being laggy and with touchwiz (a memory hog)... Can't you just install a different launcher? :| Plus aren't there custom ROMs for this phone like CM that gives a semi-pure Android experience and more free ram? What kind of code Samsung didn't release?
[Galaxy S III General] rmsa786:
I'd probably do it purely for regular updates.
[Galaxy S III General] BarryH_GEG:
What's in 4.2 that's not in 4.1 that you consider life altering?
[Galaxy S III General] sizzlers:
Nexus 4 looks ugly,and the buttons on bottom too.I like my s3 in size and design far more.
[Galaxy S III General] japjit100:
biggest problem is no sd card
[Galaxy S III General] BarryH_GEG:
No problem. $299 USD phone. A $70 USD a month streaming data bill to access your content via the cloud. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] jodvova:
I am so desperately waiting for Nexus 4 release on Nov 13. I can't wait to throw s3 away and finally start getting android updates as soon as they come out and forget that lousy Samsung UI.
[Galaxy S III General] demlasjr:
I'm damn curious if LG Nexus can survive to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGQOhVGFbyk

Something tells me not.
[Galaxy S III General] awsemmm:
you're right..

for me, smartphone it's not only about stock rom or android update.

but it's important to be always on. :laugh:

can't wait for the torture test for N4, at least show me the drop test.
[Galaxy S III General] MiG123:
haiz nexus phones always seem to disappoint in hardware while galaxy phones disappoint in software. when will there ever be the best of both worlds for us consumers?

now the decision is more of choosing whether to compromise on hardware or software aspect of the phone...
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
BTW.........did I mention the glass back?..........have a smashing time lads ;):D
[Galaxy S III General] dondavis007:
Got away an order day one. Off course you want a Nexus if youre interested in in vanilla Android. Prob can sell my s3 for the same sum I can buy a brand new N4 forn:)

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[Galaxy S III General] aydc:
If it had an sdcard slot or 64GB storage I'd buy it immediately.
[Galaxy S III General] Toss3:
Not to mention heat problems. I cannot fathom why anyone in their right mind would buy a phone that has a known hardware fault.
[Galaxy S III General] aydc:
What if you're somewhere without internet access? What if you're abroad and faced with huge roaming charges? What if you want to load huge files that need long time to download?

No cloud is a match for an sdcard on your device.

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We all bought SGS3 knowing that the home button is very hard to press. I'd say that's a bigger hardware fault considering how often we press it.
[Galaxy S III General] Android Al:
The G3 is a terrific phone but the farce that is updates will continue to sour then experience for many, I'd probably stop flashing aosp ROMs at that point

As for the glass back, get a case or become less clumsy.

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However once you start installing AOSP ROMs or stock launchers, IMO your implicitly acknowledging the superiority of vanilla Android, if that's the case surely getting a nexus is a no brainer?
[Galaxy S III General] -A-P-M-:
I guess C.NET got N4 with newer software, because benchmarks were much better than in previous tests:

"On the Geekbench test, it returned a frankly astonishing score of 1,975, putting it just below the powerhouse Galaxy Note 2 and far above the S3. It did similarly well on the CF-Bench test, where it managed to achieve 13,207, again well clear of the S3."

"Inside the phone is a 1.5GHz quad-core processor along with 2GB of RAM. Those specs are more impressive than even the Samsung Galaxy S3 and are typically reserved for top of the range mobiles. Unsurprisingly, I found it gave an excellent performance on benchmark tests and there was no task I could find that slowed it down."

Source: http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/google-nexus-4-review-50009629/
[Galaxy S III General] icebox4u:
From the very same website regarding the S3:

"Gameplay was smooth, with no noticeable slowdown or stutter. If you're after a mobile device that's powerful enough to double as a portable games console, the S3 should do the trick"

.. Facts like these are in just about every flagship phone review. Just because the Nexus 4 review said performance was smooth doesn't mean other phones aren't. The only thing that really poses a difference are the small differences in specs and the time between the reviews.

In six months of evolving smartphone technology, I don't think the Nexus 4 made any significant leaps worth giving up additional storage or a replaceable battery (my S3 hasn't sat tied to an outlet in 2 months).
[Galaxy S III General] baste07:
Theres no reason to ditch sgs3.
[Galaxy S III General] Diaze:
I wont change my s3...
[Galaxy S III General] enigmatyq:
just sold my s3 :) waiting for nexus 4 :>
[Galaxy S III General] Beastify:
look at front page

The front page says that the nexus 4 has battery quality issues. So yea...
[Galaxy S III General] Brooks316:
I plan on doing this very thing.... anyone interested in a blue one?
[Galaxy S III General] NeoVR:
^^ This.

LTE is irrelevent in the UK at the moment (however DC-HSDPA is useful), id rather have a phone that i can multitask between SMS, FB, whatsapp and the browser without them getting killed due to memory use.
[Galaxy S III General] tntgdh:
No micro sd card and you can't change the battery...doesn't look good to me...
[Galaxy S III General] ronak47:
For me its quite simple.... the nexus 4 will be better than the i9300 as it has a better chipset and more ram. The i9305 on the other hand has the same amount of ram and is lte.

As an owner of i9300 and i9305 I have to be honest and say they are like two different phones... the i9305 is a beast and for those that think otherwise should see my attached screenshot as it constantly uses more than 1gb of ram.

Either way I am not even contemplating selling my i9305 but I will still buy the nexus 4 as I have a sweet spot for aosp but at the same time have to say I have grown fond of touchwiz and the added features it adds.
[Galaxy S III General] rmsa786:
that wasn't my point...
[Galaxy S III General] Nexx:
Except proper source code and documentation of the SoC. For all the talk Samsung did, the general impression is nothing has changed.

I'm buying an N4 the moment I can, whilst my GS3 is a nice device, it's held down by the stall in development caused by Samsung. From now I'll only be buying Nexus devices.
[Galaxy S III General] leftheodo:
I won't swap my i9300 for a phone with an extra gig of ram and almost no development (i9305). The Nexus seems nice but I dont think its that better than the gs3. No micro sd, worse camera, smaller screen, lack of all the features of tw, LG. I know the pros of the nexus but i'll wait for the S IV

Sent from my Galaxy S III
[Galaxy S III General] Toss3:
What? The home button is not hard to press at all. I have three friends that all have the SGS3 and none of them have ever complained that the home button was hard to press. The Nexus 4 has a risk of overheating when say you are playing a game for a long time, throttling back the speed of the SoC making the game laggy. Now that is a problem!
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
report on xda news regarding build quality
[Galaxy S III General] resore:
nexus 4 looks really nice and has a lot of power but sadly two things is a no go for me:

- no sd card (got 64gb card)

- buttons on screen

The good thing is we will all benefit from nexus 4 in some way because it seems to be quite cheap so other phones cant be too expensive.

dont get me wrong, nexus 4 looks and feels like one of best android phones evers - im just too happy with s3 for now

I will probably buy nexus 10 instead ;)
[Galaxy S III General] blackdust:
My thoughts exactly!
[Galaxy S III General] ronak47:
That's fair enough as is would be expensive to make the move to the i9305. But honestly the i9305 is a far better phone and is the phone Samsung should have released as 1gb of ram isn't enough. In terms of development yes the i9300 has more ROMs and mods but let's be honest, without the exynos sources the development is fairly useless as you aren't getting the best from the hardware.
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Reports on www.modaco.com, that LG are screwing the price upwards (€599) of the Nexus 4 if purchased outside Google play store. Bit of a b*&ch to customers not served by play store.

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Hate to disagree but any development is better than none, true we aren't getting the full month, but they are unleashing more of the potential.
[Galaxy S III General] biffsmash:
Exynos sources won't make any difference whatsoever to AOSP roms. CM was never an amazing ROM sources or not, stock is almost always 90% as fast as AOSP and much more bug free. That said CM10 is absolutely brilliant on I9300 so I dont see what everyone is crying about.

As for Nexus 4, it is what I like to call a sidegrade rather than an upgrade.

For me

Nexus Pros Absolutely Amazing unlocked price

Much better build quality, Much better processor and RAM configuration,

Looks nicer, better screen, Lack of LTE (Battery)

Nexus Cons

Lack of expandable memory, Speaker not good, lacking samsung features, Lack of LTE (speed)

SGS3 Pros

Excellent but very bloaty TW features, super fast, excellent graphics chip

Expandable memory, expandable battery, option for LTE (speed)

SGS3 Cons

Possible low memory (I9300), Option for LTE (battery), awful build quality! Feels so squeeky and cheap.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
If you fail to see that, then I don't know what to say. CM on the SGS3 is not brilliant. It's good, but not more. It's better than touchwiz looks-wise but touchwiz is better feature-wise, like the camera.

That said, I seriously hope Samsung does come through with the source we (ahem, teamhacksung) need to make CM10 brilliant. It's not looking too good though based on Entropy's twitter post:

(I don't know how to link a single Twitter post, so I posted a screenshot instead)
[Galaxy S III General] AppReviewBros:
I am planning to sell my S2 and buy nexus 4. In my country I can sell it for nearly $300 do that's a good deal for me.
[Galaxy S III General] sxi200:
Got the i9305 a couple of days ago and boy does it feel different. Absolute rocket. Seriously my i9300 feels slow now.

And its not only the ram that makes it a good buy, but the 4g connectivity is amazing for those who can connect to it. Did a speedtest today and got 45mb download. Can't remember the upload speed.

Can't really say if its worth upgrading from the i9300, but for me I need a second phone and the i9305 is a great choice to replace my iPhone.
[Galaxy S III General] baste07:
Depends if your provider can give you thatspeed
[Galaxy S III General] luizffgarcia:
Exactly!

Never again will i buy any phone which is not a Nexus. I can't even explain how much i regret selling my Nexus to buy a S3...
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I actually agree. I sold my Gnex in favor of buying the S3. The S3 was my first ever exynos device and is likely to be my last. With all the hype around the S3, I thought it would be good.

Hardware-wise, it's okay, but software-wise (touchwiz, bloat, etc) it's bad.
[Galaxy S III General] mintvilla:
Gorilla glass back....

Since all touchscreen phones have glass fronts.... i dont see the problem.

Iphones didnt use gorilla glass on the back*

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Yes same here, and i will be selling my GS3 (£245 on envirophone btw if you want hassle free sale) to buy a nexus 4. Heck my g/f is due an upgrade and il be buying her a GS3, just so i can sell it brand new unboxed for £400+ then buy her the 8gb so we pocket around £150..
[Galaxy S III General] Nexx:
Oddly, I had thought about selling my GS3 through envirophone. A £300 sale on ebay would net roughly £260 atter fees / etc, I would rather swallow the loss for the sake of no hassle =P
[Galaxy S III General] chwads2k8:
No probs with i9305 beast of a phone
[Galaxy S III General] jjshinobi:
This S3 is better than the N4. It has LTE and is skinnier. Removable battery and microSD slot.
[Galaxy S III General] brooon:
What, whait a sec...the N4 hast no LTE, no removable battery and no microSD slot??????????

[scnr] :)

I think in this discussion we turn around in circles, let´s just wait for the next *final* test devices or the first post-release hands-ons...till then, there will be nothing new over here ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Diaze:
no sd card pff..i dont buy a super phone to use it like an nokia 1100..i watch a lot of movies and play a lot of hd games..i wont buy this phone bcuz of no sd card
[Galaxy S III General] exynoss:
LG = Low Grade :p
[Galaxy S III General] Ausboy 2011:
I lol,d ;)
[Galaxy S III General] BarryH_GEG:
Everyone's in love with the N4 based on specs, pics, and thinking it's the "perfect" phone. Two weeks after it's released the "WTF?" posts will start to appear on its XDA home page. Three months after its launched there will be multiple threads at least 20 pages long discussing its particular failings. It's been that way for every super-hyped device ever released. And the Note 10.1 was destroyed in reviews and has the highest owner satisfaction rating of any device I've seen on XDA. The Transformer Infinity has the highest reviewer rating of any tablet I've ever seen and it has a ton of issues as documented by owners. Moral of the story: reviewer's opinions are just that. For giggles let's circle back to this thread a couple of months after the N4 is in people's hands to see how well we guessed at its pluses and minuses. And yes, there will be plenty of both.
[Galaxy S III General] mrallen81:
I agree 150% with you buddy, it looks good on the outside but the inside is not so good, soon as the N4 is out I'm jumping on it like a fly on **** :screwy:
[Galaxy S III General] jjshinobi:
I was going to buy it then I read it was designed horribly compared to the other Nexus. XDA wrote it! They don't. That's why everyone is saying wait for the 32GB one. Even then a battery case or a portable battery charger and a charging cable doesn't compare to just swapping batteries.

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LG = :v
[Galaxy S III General] brooon:
I´m very sure that there won´t be any 32 gb in (near) future. Google made many customers pretty angry with the nexus 7 "uprade" and I don´t think that they will make the same mistake again. I´m sure that they wan´t to establish a "cloud thinking mentality", what perhaps is the main reason for their decision to just offer a 8 and a 16 GB version.

It has been stated many times before: the Nexus will NEVER become the perfect smartphone in every sense. NEVER. Else the manufacturers (HTC, Samsung etc) would leave google, switching to another OS.

What you see is what you get, and hell, you get A LOT for 350 bucks! You want more(SDCard, LTE, more storage)? Try out the manufacturers (and pay more, of course)! There won´t come a time for the "perfect buy"...you can wait until the year 3012 and you will wait some more years, because manufacturer X may release an EVEN MORE powerful device in a few months...

just my 2 cents ;)
[Galaxy S III General] jjshinobi:
It'll happen with Motorola!! And I'm sure a lot have said it. When Motorola makes a Nexus. It will work!.. ;l
[Galaxy S III General] brooon:
don´t think so (sorry ;)). Motorola will stay the same what it is now, I think Google was just interested because of the patents. Same content like in my post before: If google chooses such a way, the other manufacturers will ditch google for that.

And, last but not least, Google would suffer antitrust suits in countries all over the world (I´m not a lawyer, but this would seem legit to me)
[Galaxy S III General] jjshinobi:
This sucks because the year I upgrade my phone I always want a Nexus but every time they're released its like the manufacturers don't even try. The first Galaxy Nexus was a minor upgrade. I feel their only doing this for AOSP hard core fans.

This phone won't live to the hype like the I9300 and I9305. HTC one x and galaxy note 2.

Maybe if I look at it as a medium tier phone it looks good!
[Galaxy S III General] suua:
Hmm.. im thinking to sell my s3 for a one x..
[Galaxy S III General] -A-P-M-:
Its very interesting how i9300 owners conclude that N4 isnt good because it doesnt have LTE :D
[Galaxy S III General] jjshinobi:
:D yeah HSPA+ 42 doesn't compare to LTE!!! We're telling you from experience lol. Seriously phones should come with LTE by now (almost 2013).