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[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
I was considering a note 2 as well only if I not get my n4 soon. I only want the version though with the quad core and 2 gigs of ram and we ate talking about spending an additional $300.. That just kills me seeing that I am such a broke loser.

I also need the version for tmob.

Every time I start shopping around for an alternative it end in disappointment. I either have to spend hundreds of dollars more or settle with a much lesser phone.

My clock is running out though and I really don't know if i can wait much longer. It is not a question of patience. It is more that my lively hood depends on me being reachable at all times. I cannot rely on my back up a601.

Ok, thanks for letting me rant a bit. It really is a little comforting knowing that there are many of us in the same boat.

N4 anonymous... Grant me the serenity to accept that my n4 is on back order

sent via xda premium with nexus 7
[Nexus 4 General] aphlipot:
But if you never got the BO email you shouldn't have to find out from a third party about the three weeks. Google should have told you days ago.
[Nexus 4 General] tulongest:
Wow, definitely know that Google Play CSR call centres are in the Philippines. At least with this CSR who replied to you.
[Nexus 4 General] James BlackHeron:
Exactly. I don't understand why nobody is believing the BO email. They were accurate about who was going to get their phones on time and who was going to be on BO.

Now I don't have any reason to doubt the "up to 3 weeks" verbiage. They know when the next shipment is coming so why would they lie about when they expect to get them out.

The "up to" might mean there are multiple shipments coming out and the first shipment won't be enough to clear all the BO's out. In that case there may be a shipment sent out this week and then another shipment clearing the rest of them out next week. But don't count on that. j

Google told us exactly what is going on. Can you blame Google for all the internet rumors and people not believing the explicit email that was sent to them? What more do people want? Google telling them the same stuff over and over again? It'll be here in another week or so. We aren't even half-way through the "up to 3 weeks" period. You want information? Look in your inbox for the BO email. It's all in there.
[Nexus 4 General] Richieboy67:
How do you know that? Did I miss something? Are you talking about the name? Of so that does not prove anything..

sent via xda premium with nexus 7 while waiting for my back ordered Nexus 4!
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
I'm actually pretty surprised that they seem to be holding to the "3 week" timeline. I was sure that was just expectation management, but so far it looks like they're following that timeline pretty precisely. I also can't believe they don't even have bumpers yet; I went ahead and ordered one of those $4 soft rubber cases on eBay because, let me tell you friends, it's stressful not having this thing protected somehow. It's solidly built, but feels fragile at the same time because of the glass. If bumpers become available and you're planning on getting the phone still, buy one.

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It's called expectation management. You project a date far beyond what you really expect to both lighten the load on your customer service department as calls slow down until you get closer to that date, and then when you deliver before the date your customers perceive better-than-expected service. Additionally, if for some reason the "real" date has to get pushed back you don't look like a jackass. It happens all the time; you can't call it lying because they do put the "up to" and "within" caveats in their estimates.
[Nexus 4 General] tulongest:
Yeah, the name. And most of the people I've spoken to when I called Google Play Support sound Filipino, because I'm Filipino as well. I'm just speculating but based on stats, it overtook India as the biggest hub of call centers.

I was just there a couple of years ago and I found a TELUS (Canadian carrier) call centre where my cousin works.

Again, just pure speculation on where some of these CSRs are from.
[Nexus 4 General] danfalcas:
So, tomorrow is supposed a second batch! (Two o three weeks)!

I hope is tomorrow indeed! Cause I am getting tired of this!
[Nexus 4 General] donkeyhitman:
What part of this ad suggests that they have stock? They are possibly selling something that they don't have (yet), hence the long processing/shipping times that some people have already experienced with their service.
[Nexus 4 General] stopswitch:
Oh it's in stock, it just takes up to 2-3 weeks to process your order and is sent USPS first class postage.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] jmejiaa:
Who said that? A reliable source?
[Nexus 4 General] c0LdFire:
Go away. This thread has plenty of rumors already.

The phones will probably ship (gasp) 3 weeks from Google's 3 week email. That's December 6th. Plan on a December 10th arrival with 2 day shipping. Holy hell people, learn some patience. Spreading rumors does not help anything.
[Nexus 4 General] James BlackHeron:
People love to "think positiviely" and will ignore information right in front of them so as to keep hope alive that somehow, against all expectations, their device will ship before they were told it will.

Hope springs eternal.

Personally, I'm not expecting my BO's N4 any earlier than 3 weeks from the day I got my BO email. Google might even spring for 1-day shipping just to make their own self-imposed deadline.

Sea transport is S L O W. Get over it, Google isn't going to be shipping a few pallets of phones from Korea just so you can get your phone a week or so earlier. They are already losing money on the first few batches of phones. They aren't going to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to ship them by air when they already have taken the PR hit for extending the BO window to 3 weeks.

HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL.
[Nexus 4 General] stopswitch:
Personally, I'm gonna sit in my bubble and ignore the writing on the wall. Phone ship today!

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] FISKER_Q:
It has started shipping in europe: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=34653650&postcount=395
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
I have never seen any correspondence or heard anyone say "two or three weeks". It's always been a variation on "up to" or "within" three weeks. Hope springs eternal but don't set yourself (or more importantly, others) up for disappointment.
[Nexus 4 General] mafiaboy01:
Nice
[Nexus 4 General] stopswitch:
Europe is closer to China than East coast, USA or Canada. Maybe the boat arrived earlier.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] munchy_cool:
lol.....
[Nexus 4 General] c0LdFire:
Europe isn't close to the United States. Having phones back in stock on the other side of the planet isn't helping our cause.
[Nexus 4 General] stopswitch:
Time to invade Germany again, I suppose.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] FISKER_Q:
Yes because the United States of America is the only country in the world with backorder issues. :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] Vahndroid84:
i don't think that their waiting for a boat to arrive...
[Nexus 4 General] stopswitch:
Think Google play is just trolling us then?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Yes.. Multi billion dollar corporation is wasting time and money trolling impatient nerds on xda that can't read email.
[Nexus 4 General] c0LdFire:
I never claimed otherwise?...

Congrats to Google for re-stocking in Europe. That doesn't mean that they are re-stocked in the US, Australia, or on the god damned Moon. Having stock in one continent has nothing to do with having stock in another.
[Nexus 4 General] Vahndroid84:
no i can't imagine that they are waiting...sitting on their chairs for a boat.

instead...I can suppose that the stock it's arrived days ago, and the waiting it's for warehouse organizations.
[Nexus 4 General] FISKER_Q:
Well then, where did i state it was restocked everywhere? :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] stopswitch:
Just joking around, sorry to get you all worked up.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus takju (GSM)
[Nexus 4 General] Vahndroid84:
but it's possibile that stock arrives, not at the same time in all countries, but nearly
[Nexus 4 General] zizo79:
That's 4 weeks not 3
[Nexus 4 General] lowrider262:
Just called google. My csr sounded like a 16 year old mouthbreather. And he had absolutely no idea what was going on. But he said he was going to forward my order to a "specialist"... whatever that means. :banghead:
[Nexus 4 General] stopswitch:
You guys are driving those poor people nuts. There are no specialists.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus takju (GSM)
[Nexus 4 General] munchy_cool:
Just as there are no N4 in stock ;)
[Nexus 4 General] lowrider262:
Too bad for them. They shoulve shipped my phone in the 3-5 day window that was promised.
[Nexus 4 General] gl_ix:
I went through that last week, in my case I never received ANY word from them. Then just this morning supposedly the CSR I spoke to heard back from the "specialist"; word for word it was the 3 week BO e-mail. I wonder if that means they can stall mine till the middle of December now.
[Nexus 4 General] jmejiaa:
You got a back order email, and the option to cancel if you didn't want to wait.

Google ****ed up, can we stop acting like 10 year olds?
[Nexus 4 General] stopswitch:
Yes it does. If you receive the awesome standard BO email, you ARE on backorder. Right now Google Play US/Canada has NO stock on Nexus 4. They are waiting for restock and until anyone receives a shipping confirmation here, we can assume they are still out of stock. We have no clue when they will receive stock but according to Google Play they will be sending out shipping confirmations based on the time of order on Nov 13. If you fell through the cracks during the last wave of shipping confirmations last Monday, YOU ARE BACKORDERED.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus takju (GSM)
[Nexus 4 General] c0LdFire:
Right, because some CSR a thousand miles away from the fulfillment center is to blame for that.

Do you realize that these CSRs are not even employees of Google as opposed to a domestic call center? Most of them sit there making $9 an hour to listen to you complain. They don't know anything past what their training and what their client (Google) emails them.
[Nexus 4 General] Euler MD:
Well this is just beautiful. Our phones aren't shipping for quite a while... Three weeks it is.
[Nexus 4 General] FISKER_Q:
Sure, right as Google stop acting like 10 year olds themselves by trying to conceal the fact that the messed up.
[Nexus 4 General] WhenBearsReign:
Ahhh the XDA I've missed so much. Passive aggressive and easily agitated.
[Nexus 4 General] munchy_cool:
you my dear friend are late to the party, we are way past the 10 year old mark ;)

also, the BO email was a mass email sent to everybody i guess not to just those who were actually on BO..
[Nexus 4 General] fuyoo:
This may seem a crazy idea, but should the majority of us not get the phone shipped by next week, can we file a class action suit against Google? And who is willing to stand with me on this? It has become a matter of principle.
[Nexus 4 General] surferdude73:
Simple, buy a nice backup for $50. Then keep it once you get your N4 for a -you guessed it- backup! :victory:

HABEEB IT.

I got BO'ed when I ordered the N7, and it arrived early in the third week. I fully expect the same of my N4. Still, hope for the best, expect the worst.

Also, I found two interesting news stories this morning, did not have time to link them, and now I'm away from my N7 that has them in history. Ah well, I'm sure they'll make the rounds today.
[Nexus 4 General] chronus719:
I think the fact that Europeans are now getting shipping confirmations at least helps to lend credibility that Google is processing orders on Mondays (whether they receive shipments on Mondays or a couple of days before). I don't think it would be unrealistic to think we could get shipping confirmation tonight, but if not tonight, definitely by next Monday. In all honesty, it might be better that it doesn't ship until next Monday for me, as I would have both my Invisible Shield and my Wireless Charging Pad by then.
[Nexus 4 General] stopswitch:
You people are nuts

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus takju (GSM)
[Nexus 4 General] jmejiaa:
I have better things to do with my time. No lawyers will get involved. And class action lawsuit isn't going to give you a free phone. At most it'll give you 5 bucks play store credit in 1-2 years time.
[Nexus 4 General] surferdude73:
Search this thread for class action. It's already been discussed why it won't really fly as well as why it wouldn't be worth it if it did. (Lawyers get all de monies).
[Nexus 4 General] stopswitch:
Uh, the real reason it won't work is because Google hasn't hurt us financially at all.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus takju (GSM)
[Nexus 4 General] munchy_cool:
how about starting something on G+ and tagging Google employees like Vic and get the hashtag #nexus4limbo4ever trending.

It was done before by the OP but Google removed the hashtag ..:(
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
Let me know over what you would sue?

They do not have your money

They are not in a binding contract

Right now you are theoretically on a pre-order list. It is legally and practically the same thing as if you signed up for pre-order and they announced the phone would be released the 1st of December.
[Nexus 4 General] jmejiaa:
But I'm stuck with this STUPID POS IPHONE 3 until Google gets their **** together.. How can I even live like this, THEY OWE ME EVERYTHING!!!!111!!!
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Haha no worries. Sarcasm doesn't translate in text without the tags. ;)
[Nexus 4 General] anarcie:
Your literally the worst Brita
[Nexus 4 General] James BlackHeron:
Shipped by Dec 6th. That is "up to 3 weeks" from the BO email.

Simple math. At that point they are not obligated to ship next-day. Since they are going to refund shipping charges I bet they will send them the cheapest way possible. They are already late, what's a few more days. Since there is a weekend involved I wouldn't expect folks to get their BO'd N4s until the following Monday at the earliest (December 11th.)

If anyone thinks they are gettnig their BO before December 11th they are smoking the happy pipe. It MIGHT happen but don't count on it.

Google told you up to 3 weeks until they ship. Why do people simply refuse to believe this?
[Nexus 4 General] munchy_cool:
what be the meaning of the word Brita, google not be able to help me
[Nexus 4 General] fuyoo:
Look, I'm not proposing a court of law to get some form of compensation. I'm proposing it so that Google is answerable for their monumental ****-up. Thus far, they've been let off easy.

I'm open to other suggestions of guerilla warfare.
[Nexus 4 General] Gloularis:
I'd prefer #nexus4backorder4ever , it's clearer for people who is not from the xda forums.

Let's get it on!
[Nexus 4 General] tonebone:
lol Please I am using this:
[Nexus 4 General] munchy_cool:
someone start it, g+ is blocked here at work, will have to use cell phone :)
[Nexus 4 General] Clayfree:
Will never happen. From what we have been able to piece together on the 13th the Play Store servers crashed and ultimately the system took more orders than they had phones. Google could have simply sent out an email stating just that and cancelled our orders as they were a system error. At least they put us on backorder which puts us at the front of the line. Anyone can cancel at any time.

On the 15th they sent out an email saying we would have our phones within 3 weeks. I would love to have my phone tomorrow and I have also spent way too much time here speculating and joking about the whole ordeal. Like many have already said plan for 3 weeks and maybe we will be surprised.

I don't understand the logic of convincing ourselves they will ship out tonight then being outraged when they don't.

With all that said I hope they ship out tonight :)
[Nexus 4 General] MatAuc12:
Simple PR. If you expect 2 weeks, you say 3 weeks. They don't expect 3 weeks or they would say 4 weeks.

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Read my post.. you are in pre-order, suck it up. You wouldn't get your panties in a bunch if they announced it the 1st of December.
[Nexus 4 General] chronus719:
Google actually said "within 3 weeks" for the shipping estimate, and given that companies often allow themselves a time cushion for situations like these, it's not unrealistic to think it could ship as early as tonight. As has been previously mentioned, they could have known that a shipment sent out today could not fulfill all backorders, and therefore they allowed themselves until their next shipment to cover all left backordered. Moreover, I think there are some ethical issues in saying they are refunding the 2-day shipping costs, only to downgrade the shipping method (in addition to shipping method likely already being a part of their contract with UPS, which could likely be upgraded, but not downgraded). Likewise, in the past, people have gotten their backordered N7 before the end of the promised timeframe.

I guess some people are drowned in pessimism.
[Nexus 4 General] Plexicle:
I'd use that over an iPhone, personally.
[Nexus 4 General] James BlackHeron:
You are speculating.

They sent you an email. The email has been correct so far. Almost everyone who got the BO email got BO'd. Almost everyone who didn't got their phone already.

If you want to make up reasons why you think your phone will get there before they TOLD you it would be there then be my guest. But disbelieving that email isn't going to get it to you any faster.
[Nexus 4 General] NickFe:
For what is worth...

From CSR...

Hello ****,

Thank you for contacting us. I am glad to help you.

The "three weeks wait" starts from the date of purchase.

Please feel free to reply in case you have further questions.

Thanks,

Aditi

The Google Play Support Team

On 11/23/12 10:18:29 "**********" <**********@********> wrote:

Hi Aditi,

I was wondering when the "three wait weeks" time would start: from the

date of purchase (Nov. 13), or on the day of this email (Nov. 21) or any

other day.

Thank you for any update on the estimate shipping.

Regards,

***************
[Nexus 4 General] anarcie:
Brita: to be the AT&T of people. Literally Hitler
[Nexus 4 General] fuyoo:
Did I not say IF the phones were not sent by next week? Is Google then not obligated to fulfill my order?

But I do notice that the email was cleverly worded, and them expecting the phone to be shipped within three weeks might not represent a binding agreement to do so. In essence, even if you don't get it next week you haven't got a candle against them.
[Nexus 4 General] UCFJake:
I think because UPS is handling distribution, they will ship 2nd Day as that is the standard when you order from the Play Store with no option to upgrade or downgrade. So I think end of week of Dec 14 would be the latest we will see them. More likely next week IMO.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 4 General] Clayfree:
I agree with all of this. BUT if the LL3's split into 2 separate waves of shipping then we're going to have to come up with a new name for the poor last souls!
[Nexus 4 General] enviii:
So, did the europeans get the "within 3 weeks" email as well? I'm wondering if they were in the same situation as us.
[Nexus 4 General] chronus719:
You're gonna eat your words when orders start arriving in peoples' hands before the 11th, because I guarantee you they will.
[Nexus 4 General] enviii:
I'm probably going to be in that 2nd wave if it is split. My order details haven't changed at all since the minute I placed the order at 2:15 EST. Still says Nov 13th, still says Complete as opposed to most people who have their date moved to the 19th-21st and a status of Pending.
[Nexus 4 General] svengalis:
Does that to me to sometimes.
[Nexus 4 General] savetherocks:
"Add to Cart" isn't text, though. The button is an image, so the refresh plugin wouldn't trip from that, either.
[Nexus 4 General] kevinliu2336:
it in the chrome app store, it called "Auto Refresh Plus"
[Nexus 4 General] paper_kiwi:
The button is actually text, I got to search notify me and it found it.
[Nexus 4 General] dieselfatal:
I play CSGO on PS3 with Mouse/Keyboard.

I also play Counter Strike 1.6 on PC Professionally.

CoD/BF etc can't compare to Counter Strike.

It's where they separate men from the boys :D
[Nexus 4 General] irishrally:
I play CS Portable on the N7.
[Nexus 4 General] razielxx:
I tested it on the n7 page and it caught it the first count down
[Nexus 4 General] paper_kiwi:
I've never tried counter strike, I almost bought it once.
[Nexus 4 General] Nickel Dime Bay:
21 minutes til what? Isnt release pacific time? its only 8:42PM here
[Nexus 4 General] Willz:
This ^
[Nexus 4 General] formicae:
You could get it to tell you when COMING SOON disappears.
[Nexus 4 General] jasonwc:
Saw this a few minutes ago...now no banner. Nice to see Google has a sense of humor.
[Nexus 4 General] kyokeun1234:
Hopefully it's mid-night launch for us Canadians :p (Eastern time where I live), because I don't wanna spend my whole night waiting :silly:
[Nexus 4 General] suprano:
Ahh, no class tomorrow as well. I'm def pulling an all-nighter on this. ;)
[Nexus 4 General] bendirkss:
Whos all selling their Gnex for this baby?
[Nexus 4 General] Rafase282:
I'm glad to not be the only one staying up until midnight for this. I wont buy it now tho (ex wants to spoil me for being a good father) so the short break will give me time to see any quality issues that might show up but im still so tempted to just order it and go "If you want you can just give me what I paid for it ..."
[Nexus 4 General] outz:
Is the release pacific time for sure?
[Nexus 4 General] Shivammcool:
Yeah, I think you must wait till 12
[Nexus 4 General] paper_kiwi:
No fair I wanted a pink coming soon banner
[Nexus 4 General] Plexicle:
All shipments from hereon are being upgraded to overnight shipping, assuming you ordered on the 13th.
[Nexus 4 General] munchy_cool:
Oops .. Lol

Nexus 4 back ordered , forced to use an iPhone 4S , blame Google
[Nexus 4 General] gnangnan:
Yes, I got the mail as well and still waiting... (Germany, 16GB)
[Nexus 4 General] aphlipot:
Yeah there is no way they will cut it that close. With people already all pissy, in the 3 week window they should have left themselves plenty of wiggle room for them to ship in time.
[Nexus 4 General] Mash87:
Yes, everyone received the exact same mail, within 3 weeks. (well, in local language of course :P )
[Nexus 4 General] Jayrod1980:
If they are shipping in Europe that is great news, for them. :) But really, that may be good news for us. Back at launch Europe was shipping earlier in the day than us and also launched earlier in the day as well. Remember the launch here didn't even start until 830 am pst. If they are shipping today in the us I would expect it to be sometime after 830 am PST and 8pm PST. The only silver lining for me is that there's only a week left before the back order date anyway. Funny as I ordered the lg charging mat on amazon around 10pm and it already shipped hours ago.
[Nexus 4 General] James BlackHeron:
You are guaranteeing now?

Maybe Google should hire you to distribute phones.

Phones may ship early -don't count on it. I'd be more willing to guarantee that all BO'd phones will ship by the 6th. Some may ship before that if there are 2 waves of shipments coming. There seem to be a LOT of BO's and the next shipment might not be enough to cover them all.

But if I were a betting man I'd bet that there are still going to be many BO phones shipping at the last minute on the 6th and not showing up at doorsteps until the 11th.
[Nexus 4 General] ryanbmw51:
Until we hear officially from Google or ups I am convinced that this thread is poison. Its all nonsense. Sorry. I know I know. Its up to me if I want to read it but I just have to keep checking for REAL info. You guys are driving me craaaaaazy.
[Nexus 4 General] Clayfree:
So ... "within 1.5 Fortnight"? :p
[Nexus 4 General] pandamaja:
Aaaaand we've arrived.
[Nexus 4 General] rickytenzer:
You sir have just won the post of the year. LOL