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[Nexus 4 General] Ainvar:
Read back a few pages and you will be given your answer plus more. This thread has been very informative and also entertaining.
[Nexus 4 General] jvanassche:
If you're going to attack people for being naive, why not offer some alternate hypothesis that isn't naive?

Let's compare the (theoretical) numbers for the Nexus 4 against some from the Nexus 7 launch.

The 7 launched around the middle of July, and Google announced it expected to sell around 3 million before the end of 2012. So 3 million / 5 months = 600,000 / 4 weeks per month = 150,000. It launched in 4 countries (US, UK, Canada, Australia), so let's divide that up some and say 60,000 for US, 20,000 for Canada, 45,000 for UK, and 45,000 for Aus. Looks like considerably more than the Nexus 4, right?

Well, consider that this is over 5 months, where they could improve production some towards the end to make up for shortfalls in the beginning, so initial production would be somewhat lower. It's also for a device that was actually marketed in a highly active market segment (think of the sales of the Kindle Fire), and it had several brick and mortar partners (GameStop, etc.) which would increase the expected demand signal, and thus increase production line capacity.

Based on that, if we adjust downward for a low expected demand for the Nexus 4 (something Google has admitted to), a much more competitive market segment, and fewer retail partners, 17,000 seems like a pretty decent estimate for a first shipment.

Now, I could be totally wrong, and the UPS guy could be lying, but what he said is well within the realm of possibility.
[Nexus 4 General] enviii:
You should reply and say how am I supposed to have a happy thanksgiving when you bloody reps tell me absolutely nothing.

Sent from my One X
[Nexus 4 General] jblack41510:
Hi,

Thank you for contacting Google Play Support. *We're glad we could help

address your questions in our recent email to you regarding your inquiry, and we'd love your help in improving our customer support. *In case this is the first response

you've received about your questions, we recommend checking your other

email folders to see if our response got sent there (perhaps you can search for your previous correspondence with us.

Please take one minute to answer this brief survey - we thoroughly review

your feedback to see what we can do better.

http://support.google.com/googleplay/bin/request.py?hl=en&contact_type=survey_transactional&caseid

If you are not fully satisfied with the resolution of your case or if you

require additional assistance, you can skip the survey and just reply to

our last response to reopen your case. *We'll be happy to help.

Thanks in advance for your valuable feedback!

Victor

The Google Play Support Team
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
If overwhelming demand is less than 20,000 units the nexus brand truly is niche.

How many S3 did Sammy ship again?
[Nexus 4 General] idale:
I wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't get the memo about the new form response and you got a "your order should be shipping out today, call us tomorrow if you didn't get it" still. :eek:

But more seriously I would think we'd be getting soon to the point where the "3 weeks" becomes "2 weeks" since the phrasing was "within 3 weeks", especially. But that would involve someone updating the response form, and they'll get to that "tomorrow". ;)
[Nexus 4 General] Ainvar:
No need to drink alone kind sir! I will glady tip my glass with you on cheers of getting a speedy N4 shipment!
[Nexus 4 General] mp5cartman:
lol true I'm just really pissed right now. Ordered 16GB at 8:33AM PST "cancelled". 8GB 9AM PST "Pre-ordered".
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
Is there a link to the G+ hangout or did we decide to not do it?
[Nexus 4 General] Roxy:
LOL... Victor's infamous customer satisfaction email. -_-
[Nexus 4 General] MonsieurJohnny:
No one made it but you're free to make one if you'd like.
[Nexus 4 General] 5knotwinds:
**** Victor!
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
Hmm, I've never started one before, I'll see what I can do
[Nexus 4 General] raycpe:
Our "LIMBO" situation is not even a blip on GOOGLE'S radar. They have shown by this and past releases of there products, that they really could care less about the complaints of a few "fanboys". i am highly disappointed that I don't have my phone, but like a previous poster mentioned, XDA is definitely by no means a representative sample of the of the average consumer. There is no media circus related to Google releases at this point, and until these products reach that level of fandom, I expect no major changes to the way Google / the play store operates.
[Nexus 4 General] jblack41510:
I'm glad I kept it real and told victor like it is. I was wondering if he canceled my order cause no longer pending. But I see all the other limbo 3 in same boat :(
[Nexus 4 General] vaxheadroom:
The Louisville UPS hub is used because it is UPS' "all-points" air-hub, and has direct flights to most major US cities. Look at the Wikipedia article on "Worldport" for more info. Many logistics operations, including the one apparently used for the Nexus4, are located within a few miles of Worldport. They truck the product the short distance from the logistics warehouse to the UPS hub, where the product is sorted, and loaded onto airplanes destined for Your City.

There are similar logistics operations clustered around Fedex's all-points-hub in Memphis TN.

Based on what I've seen in the past in Apple forums (did I really admit that?), both the UPS Louisville facility and the Fedex Memphis hub have been used to ship out the various generations of iPhone & iPads on launch days, and the quantities involved were magnitudes greater that what we're dealing with for the Nexus4.

Point being, it's perfectly rational for a single logistics center to be used in this case.

One other point - keep in mind that Google is probably not making any money off of the Nexus4 given the price they are selling them for. It'd be different if they were being sold at the non-Play Store price we're seeing in other countries where these phone are not available directly from Google. Given the slim or non-existent profit margin, it makes to ship them via boat from Korea.

Also keep in mind that the Nexus4 is probably made on the same production line as the LG Optimus G. LG is probably making more money off the Optimus G versions than they are with the Nexus4, and are probably running production accordingly. This could partially explain low numbers of available Nexus4 product.

VaxHeadroom.
[Nexus 4 General] Cookiencream:
Anyone from UK can confirm this?

http://www.androidcentral.com/white-nexus-4-tipped-dec-13-uk-launch

if UK stock will available on 13 dec ,

does it mean we should get it on that weeks?

because it's about 3 weeks from now
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
Sorry man, I just don't buy it. Same limbo 3 as many here, what is the UPS guy, the other guy, or you?

17 units for North America seems way off - but I'm sure the UPS guy is totally 100% true. Just so you know, you can fit 17 units in a single shipping container. I also happen to know people @ LG and TMobile. So, that's part of where my BS Meter goes off. Anyways, it's not important.

I'm happy I have Turkey for Thanksgiving and a bunch of other things.

I think if you look back on the past 1k, or 2k threads people have been fed BS from even Google, so it's a wash. I guess it all adds character to the thread.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
[Nexus 4 General] idale:
Don't have it in me, I'm too much of a "nice guy" especially when so many other people are probably yelling at the CSRs. Rather be "the nice customer" for all the zero good that ever really does me. :D And the reason this particular response had no information in it at all is because I'd gotten my answer (checking on my Pending order's status, making sure it all still looked good on their end) in a previous email and had thanked him for the response and expressed my hope that everything finished shipping soon for their sake as well as our own.

(Whether the information he'd provided me previously was correct or made up or whatever, I've no clue, but making their job harder won't really help me, so whatever. :) )
[Nexus 4 General] jmejiaa:
We can't be possibly saying apple is as bad as this as Google has been are we?

That brings fanboyism to a whole new level.
[Nexus 4 General] James BlackHeron:
There are more posts in this thread than phones google shipped out in North America.
[Nexus 4 General] MonsieurJohnny:
I really don't think the customer service reps are to blame at all. Imagine you're working there and you're hardly given any information from Google about this. There really isn't much you can do. Don't blame customer service, blame Google.
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
EDIT: Okay I made the Hangout public, just join from my profile

https://plus.google.com/11162801207...con&utm_medium=chrome_app&utm_campaign=chrome
[Nexus 4 General] raycpe:
Thread went silent for a few mins...... everything ok?
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
Think I scared everyone off with my fail attempt at hosting a G+ Hangout :P
[Nexus 4 General] sublimnl:
UPS guy just rang everyone's doorbells. nothing to see here anymore
[Nexus 4 General] kcbboy:
Everyone hung themselves.
[Nexus 4 General] devcurious:
Stage 5: Acceptance
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
Better yet, I figured things out now.. just click the link to join. Sorry for my noobiness x.x

The Nexus 4 Limbo Club Hangout
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
lovingmynexus4.jpg
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Midnight. Everyone turned into a bumper.
[Nexus 4 General] iboj007:
Argh. Another UPS my choice. Another mini heart attack.
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
I bet. It's a nice device. Might have something to do with this thread. Don't drop it! ;) Did you get a case and if so which one?

Any issues so far with 4.2 like others? How is bluetooth? Any issues whatsoever?

Congrats for your Military Services to the USA. Thank you.
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
I'm guessing that fourth one from the back on the bottom is mine...
[Nexus 4 General] sn0warmy:
Imagine how pissed we are all going to be when our phones have not arrived on Friday but the Playstore opens back up to allow more people to purchase them so Google doesn't miss out on the Black Friday (& Cyber Monday) rush.

Just the thought of it is already making me angry...:mad:
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
It's a beautiful device. Only issue I had was the yellow tinting, but Google was quick with the RMA and I have a replacement on the way. Other than that, no issues. 4.2 is so smooth, smoother than iOS IMO. And I'm still waiting for my case in the mail, should be here by Thursday though, I'm keeping it in a ziplock bag with the factory plastic protectors that came on it. :P

Bluetooth works really well. I'm using it with my LG HBS-700 headset.

And thanks, but I won't be a Marine until November 2013 :( My picture is from this military camp I went to last summer. I have my contract signed, just waiting to ship off to Parris Island!
[Nexus 4 General] Exel:
Cancel your order and take your chances on ordering it those days. :laugh:
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
I could see them doing it if the info said "Ships in 2-3 Weeks" under the add to cart.
[Nexus 4 General] AlphaKoi:
mine is the one that hasn't shipped yet....could potentially be floating across some Asian sea or even drying in a Korean factory at this point. Who knows where the damn phone is. Google refuses to say anything so I'm left to suffer with the rest of the LL3s and just cling to my broken hope #FML

Ill buy a pitchfork and join the army if they re-release on Black Friday without any email or notification to the LL3s
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
LOL - don't go there, just relax. 3 weeks was a buffer zone - it won't be that long. Just walk into your local TMobile store...lol, oh wait. You have an order and it will be fulfilled. This won't be the Nexus 7 all over again. It's not going to pop up at Staples tomorrow.
[Nexus 4 General] Jayrod1980:
Awesome... sounds like you work around the same circles I do. I go to Belvoir occasionally and my youngest son was born there right after the new hospital opened. I'm in the Air Force and work in Chantilly. Good luck with the beers! Maybe we could clink glasses after this whole damn debacle is over. Heading to bed now, up for work at 0530.

Good luck to you guys... have a feeling we will all be complaining in this thread for at least a bit longer.
[Nexus 4 General] sn0warmy:
Honestly, if they do open up purchases again Friday I will order another one then just return whichever one comes last. Which will most definitely be the one I ordered at 8:40AM on November 13th...
[Nexus 4 General] kcbboy:
Well another day with no Nexus. Good night all.

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As much as I'd like for this to happen it's just wishful thinking at this point.
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
Is it safe to say that theres no Hangout after all? Everyone that joins leaves instantly.
[Nexus 4 General] otariq:
+1 I truly have accepted it'll take 3 weeks smh Google smh
[Nexus 4 General] sublimnl:
honestly, its the cat ears
[Nexus 4 General] FatalityBoyZahy:
I'm down for a hangout lol
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
LOL.. okay good point.
[Nexus 4 General] sn0warmy:
All I know for sure is that I'm heading up to Breckenridge tomorrow for the holiday weekend so I'll most likely forget that the N4 even exists until I get back into the office Monday and check this thread.
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
I'm beginning to wish I used my outstanding T-Mobile upgrade to get it. I probably could have just planned to be in line there instead and saved the hassle, time, and $150. I would have been under another two years but there's slim to no chance I'd leave T-Mobile anyway. Ah well it is what it is. My bad decision.

Edit: but I wouldn't have had this fantastic time hanging out on this thread and creating memes. I wouldn't give this up for all the nexus 4's in the world! (All 16 of them)
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
The Nexus 4 Limbo Club Hangout Only about 2 people there
[Nexus 4 General] hunterhp:
Its night time where I'm at and people are sleeping. Can't be on the hangout.
[Nexus 4 General] Roxy:
LMAO!
[Nexus 4 General] renegadeMind:
go **** yourself!!
[Nexus 4 General] Raptor5150:
Teh Roxeh :3

Im bored :( and I miss having a phone.
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
If they open up purchases again Friday or Thursday, they will sell out and be re-sold on eBay. Let's be honest here. Not going to happen. No one is mentioning the ddos that was sent to Google from 12AM PST onwards, but it happened with all the F5's and scripts that were posted where people ended up with 10+ units which were then sold on eBay and CL. It is what it is. Not exactly the smoothest Phone launch for Google, but at least they sold more.

Just enjoy Thanksgiving.
[Nexus 4 General] xateeq:
This is the only thread in which when i click refresh there are not only 3 more posts but three are 3 new pages to read.
[Nexus 4 General] Acuity:
For the people relying on My Choice, don't bother.

I never got a notification of the overnight delivery from My Choice, and only got a notification after the package arrived. And by after, I mean 9 hours after.
[Nexus 4 General] nexo85:
Couldnt wait any longer. Just ordered two on ebay for 600 a pop arriving friday. Unfortunately I wont be getting a hand drawn dinosaur as I requested with the UPS guy. Haha. O well, this is so I can concentrate on other things instead of having to check on this thread every 5 minutes!
[Nexus 4 General] Roxy:
Baw. D:

Well... I'm playing Black Ops 2 on 360 atm so I'm quite entertained. XD

You don't have anything to do?
[Nexus 4 General] sn0warmy:
Are you serious?

You were willing to pay $1,200 for two phones that retail for $350 instead of just waiting for yours to arrive within the month? Talk about throwing away money...
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Wow.. I could understand paying that much if it was only available overseas (hell I paid 750 for my GNex) but almost twice when it's much cheaper just a small wait? You sir are cray cray.
[Nexus 4 General] Roxy:
Are you serious!?

* Facepalm *
[Nexus 4 General] sublimnl:
thats nuts, but honestly 5 yrs ago I would have done the same. (now I have someone else to spend my money irresponsibly, i no longer have the luxury to do so myself)
[Nexus 4 General] wilsonlam97:
You got rid of the teapot:confused:
[Nexus 4 General] Ranguvar:
In before overnight free shipping for all backordered folk, everyone else gets devices Thursday.
[Nexus 4 General] code65536:
So switch to T-Mobile's value plan. You'll save a lot more than $150 over the course of 2 years. Hell, it's the existence of these we-don't-want-to-shackle-you postpaid value plans (and their prepaid plans) that, incidentally, is the reason I wouldn't ever want to leave T-Mobile!
[Nexus 4 General] nexo85:
Well to be honest its cause I dont live in the US. The person bringing it back to my country leaves on sunday. Its either that or 2013++ for me. So i pulled the trigger, whatever I get later from limbo3 I will just ebay.
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
In other news, finally, Google play developer Hero Craft Ltd just tried to refund me the cost of my nexus 4 order.

My bank has a note where they are having none of it, can't find matching transaction to reverse.

What are those guys over in mountain view doing?
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
I have 15 avail in 3 weeks @ $500...could save you a bit. LOL. Mind you these are all 8GB's and in White that you could purchase then on eBay @ $600. Lemme know. Doode, seriously? I wish.

Why are people who already have shipping confirmations still here? Looks can only go so far.

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I mentioned this many many posts ago. Google Play is borked right now. Top developers are being used as charge points for your bank as your bank already black listed Google*Devicesxyz for this shiz. I had no reply - go figure.
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
I do not want to be the one taking a package from a ups driver forced to deliver phones to overreacting geeks on Thanksgiving.
[Nexus 4 General] varshil:
My google playstore says 13th nov booked. Also it had est 15th november shipping date and today it changed to pending.

I had received a bo mail.
[Nexus 4 General] davebug:
I received my two 16GB today after the limbo fest, and honestly I think I like my optimus G better my wife does also...time to try and trade one of these for a optimus G instead for my wife.
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
Yeah I saw the multitude of posts with random play developers. I was being snarky. :)
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
You can't help but be snarky, It's quite the clusterF. It's amazing. I wonder if this is a new level in ingress???
[Nexus 4 General] sn0warmy:
Yeah, the waiting has me reading a lot more reviews and I've got to say, the Nexus 4 doesn't seem to be getting the same overwhelmingly positive reviews it received pre-release. I'm content using the next week or two (or 30) to watch more reviews roll in on it.
[Nexus 4 General] nbeebe24:
Just got mine today and am honestly not too impressed. The phone feels like it should cost 350. Only thing I would say is great is the speed
[Nexus 4 General] Roxy:
Um... I'm not posting from my gnex, lol.
[Nexus 4 General] cchap07:
Mines says Ludia Inc. I have never even heard of them. I was not aware Google could just use random developers names like that. It would be interesting if people complained to the listed developer.
[Nexus 4 General] Roxy:
Anyone can post wherever they wish. :P
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
I've compared it to the SIII and others. Speed is ok, but it's not worth this crapola when an S4, Note 2 is around the corner. Seriously, anyone waiting on this that can afford another $300, wait a month. For the price though, the N4 takes the cake. If you are able to wait however, get the SGSIII as it will be on sale or hold out to mid Jan for the S4.

SGS3 = 30+ Million sold

N4 = 17?

Note 2 = 0

I think someones ahead by a bit even if it has a cheap plastic back that you have to RIP off. The n4, you drop it, you are f'ed.
[Nexus 4 General] Unclean009:
This is the orders and SHIPPING thread afterall..
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
People are complaining, including the banks. This turned into even more of a clusterF today after this happened to everyone switched from delivered on the 15 to Pending. Developers are even cancelling this on their own. Google just took it up a notch.
[Nexus 4 General] stormtroopercs:
Lol what? Compared to my previous s2 this phone feels amazing! And your saying it feels like it should cost 350? I don't understand? What's so cheap about it?
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
Naw you are good to go. :) I'm new here.
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
We have more members now on the Hangout if anyone is interested in joining now!

The Nexus 4 Limbo Club
[Nexus 4 General] anarcie:
Any source for this? This relit the fire in my body
[Nexus 4 General] MonsieurJohnny:
I think it's really funny how people got random credit from developers on their bank account. There literally is no explanation for that, it's so random.
[Nexus 4 General] twistkick:
What on earth? my status went from "est. shipping nov 13" to pending??
[Nexus 4 General] cchap07:
You mean Nov 15, and welcome to the limbo level 3 club. Has happened to lots of us probably close to 100
[Nexus 4 General] twistkick:
Oh I've been in the club since the beginning.. is the pending worse?
[Nexus 4 General] xzr3b0rnzx:
I read earlier somewhere. Someone said pending = backordered . I received the back order email like 3-4 days ago can't remember. Anyone with bo email received shipping no?
[Nexus 4 General] nexo85:
Do you think google should give developers order priority for the next Nexus launch? Maybe based on how much sales/downloads your app gets. For the non developers, if you spend lots of money on apps and content also get special allotment.
[Nexus 4 General] cchap07:
IMO not really, Limbo 2's had their phones shipped we are just still stuck in the within 3 weeks timeline. This is all speculation though.
[Nexus 4 General] klin1344:
YES please.
[Nexus 4 General] twistkick:
Ah ok so they're just rubbing it in more. Gotcha.
[Nexus 4 General] Zurginator:
People would raise hell over that lol.
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
You should visit Google IO next year. Free devices, even to the press.

Other than that, no, you do not deserve special allotment - very few Google Employees even get this. I don't think random people should be able to order 10+ devices though, that was definitely a mistake as can be seen.
[Nexus 4 General] nbeebe24:
I just expected this premium feel that I saw in all the reviews. Its okay but I had a galaxy s3 and it doesn't feel like a huge step up.
[Nexus 4 General] Sandman2749:
I confess that I haven't bothered to really understand the whole limbo level thing until today.

I guess that makes me a hybrid: (tried to order 1 - ended up with 2 separate)

Level 2 on order #1 - expecting delivery tomorrow

Level 3 on order #2 - who knows right?

The irony is the phone I ordered first (9:36 mst) is back ordered but the 2nd order (9:44 mst) shipped. hahaha
[Nexus 4 General] ammmo:
Sources in this thread, sorry I don't have the time to look them all up, but I think < 10 pages back and further even.
[Nexus 4 General] MonsieurJohnny:
I have an idea let's raid Hugo Barra's G+.
[Nexus 4 General] anarcie:
Thanks I'll have a look
[Nexus 4 General] ErikWithNoC:
But the GS3 is made out of plastic? Your account is pretty much the only one I've heard of anyone not liking the feeling of the device :confused: Totally fine though I mean its your opinion and I can't change that :p
[Nexus 4 General] doschico:
LL3

Had to check-in to see what 'pending' translated to. Limbo Level 3 turns it all into a circus. I'm a really sh**ty clown.
[Nexus 4 General] wilsonlam97:
Seems fair though. But then i'd need some dev friends;)

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I miss my Gnex. I sold it so I could get the Nex4. That didn't go as planned though:(