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[Nexus 4 General] Nova163:
You're right imo. Even the lack of phones seems Googles fault for not ordering enough/announcing too soon.
[Nexus 4 General] abowmedia:
Holy hell, a christmas miracle: Your Google Play Order from Nov 13, 2012 Has Shipped
[Nexus 4 General] Gaurav.Stallion:
Congrats man :)
[Nexus 4 General] chinthekng:
You're one lucky SOB :laugh: Merry Christmas
[Nexus 4 General] munchy_cool:
congratulations
[Nexus 4 General] jakejm79:
I don't believe that the email originally said 4-5 weeks then magically changed to 7-8 in the same email, that can't happen. Maybe it originally said 4-5 weeks when you placed it in your cart yet by the time you checked out it had changed to 7-8 weeks and that is what the email reflected. But there is no way the email magically changed, I call BS on that.
[Nexus 4 General] ccgabe:
I seriously doubt the issue is because of LG. As a business man of 40 years, I honestly believe that any company would be

happy to build and sell as many phones as they had orders for. I doubt it was for LG to decide how many they would need.

Google is simply screwed up and handling it like a second rate company.
[Nexus 4 General] 1337sause:
Hint......LG controls the supply production of the phone, hence why people would put more blame on LG than Google. Google was never ready for such a large influx of customers, but neither was LG, and LG controls the production, so it's on them to ramp it up in case of huge demand. So far, they haven't.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Congrats brother I don't post much in this thread anymore but I find this as a reason to post. Woot Woot:thumbup:

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Munchy come join the off topic thread full of OG's

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[Nexus 4 General] mk92595:
If Samsung made the nexus 4, we all could have had our phones already.
[Nexus 4 General] 1337sause:
Fairly likely because of their sheer scale.
[Nexus 4 General] philidor:
Everyone... Stop for a moment... I want to say something important for all of you...

Merry Christmas!!!
[Nexus 4 General] Ftwisawesome:
If you guys heard on the news recently, LG was celebrating because they hit the 10million sale mark for their 'l' serious just like apple has 'iphone' series.

Apple sold 15 million in a year only with iPhone 1.

My point is that LG would have never expected demand this crazy before so IMO I don't blame them.

I blame Google for their ****ty customer support full of dumb asses who can't even answer a simple question.
[Nexus 4 General] boondoc:
but if google tells them they only want 200k or how ever many their initial order was you can't fault LG for making those then using those resources to make more Optimus G's.

no company is going to go "well you only ordered X amount, but let me go ahead on my own and build Y amount just in can you might happen to need some more"
[Nexus 4 General] ccgabe:
Only thing LG does is make the phone. They don't sell it retail, the don't take orders for it and they

don't ship it. With that said, there is only one company to blame and that is GOOGLE. I am sure LG would be

Happy to build as many phones as they had orders. Does anyone seriously believe that if Google had

ordered X number of phones that LG would have said "sorry we are only going to build/sell you half that

number? I don't think so.
[Nexus 4 General] ImHavenHart:
Wow congrats!!!!! I got a Christmas miracle and I'm glad to see someone else did!!! And wow a Nov 13er, awesome!!!

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Hint, see everything I said above, which has NOTHING to do with supply and production! Google bares the blunt of the blame in my opinion, there is no excuse for me having to waste 4 hours trying to order because the damn site kept crashing, there's no excuse for them mailing my friends December phones while my November 27th order sat waiting. There's no excuse for them to refuse to cancel my order even though it was well past the estimated delivery. There's no excuse for them to authorize my card 4 times, holding my money hostage over and over. There's no excuse for Google ignoring my emails. The majority of the frustrations that customers are experiencing have NOTHING to do with LG!! So "hint" that. AND Google didn't order enough, they already admitted that! So I supposed that's LG's fault too?
[Nexus 4 General] 1337sause:
LG isn't making enough phones to meet demand. Whoever you choose to blame, it doesn't change that.

Maybe Google didn't properly anticipate demand. If that's the case, blame Google, but now that the demand is clearly known, LG isn't producing them at a rate to fulfill that demand - therefore, supply issues.

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[Nexus 4 General] boondoc:
obviously this is true. more than likely they scaled down the production line or it wasn't very large to start with. on the other hand LG has already gone on record and said "We supplied Google with the numbers they asked for" but again, they build the phones according to what google has asked for. google got caught flat footed. you can't then shift the blame to LG because they didn't expect to need capacity that google didn't take into account.

the bottom line is this, i sell tshirts. you make tshirts. i order 1000 from you initially with a pipeline of say 100 shirts each month. those first shirts sell out in 20 minutes. i then take pre-orders for another 10,000 shirts i don't have and haven't even been printed yet and i need them not just now, but right now. but you've only left so much capacity to provide me with 100 shirts each month. it's going to take you time to tool up to meet the new demand that i need. i can't turn around and yell and blame you for not printing up 9,000 shirts that i didn't order. you've gone back to making your own shirts and didn't spare that much capacity for me. that's what you're blaming LG of.

and you know this... how? and you know the logistics involved in doing that? it very well could take a few months and lets not forget it's going to cost money. the rush for the nexus will be over as soon as they build up enough supplies. it would hardly be worth it for LG to build up a production capacity of say... 100k units a month if the rush is going to be over as soon as those units roll off the line. even this nexus, with it's features and it's price point isn't going to sell at this level throughout it's life cycle. as much as i want my damn phone, if i were LG i wouldn't invest tens of millions of dollars into a huge production line with such a short lifespan.
[Nexus 4 General] theTqM:
It isn't BS, there is the ability within the Gmail system to modify already sent emails by the sender after it has been received. I looked into it after I heard about their shipping times changing.
[Nexus 4 General] comminus:
Care to cite your source? Seems unlikely.

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[Nexus 4 General] chinthekng:
https://plus.google.com/+MikeElgan/posts/eVr1Vq5CCPf
[Nexus 4 General] comminus:
That's specially talking about Google plus messaging. It's not email, the author of that post even clarifies that in the comments.

Even if it were true that Google allowed users to modify sent emails after the fact, it would only work within gmail. Once an email is received, the sending server will not be making modifications to that email.

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[Nexus 4 General] 1337sause:
I know that because I read the news.
[Nexus 4 General] mk92595:
Hope I get my tracking number soon.
[Nexus 4 General] itsxiao:
yea any day now, that's what we all keep hoping for :D
[Nexus 4 General] theTqM:
As for all of you trying to place blame on LG or Google. None of them are more to blame than all of us. Google didn't necessarily 'forecast poorly' or LG not predict the need for greater material supplies. The Nexus 4 appears to be miles more popular than anyone expected. They cannot over forecast just in case something is going to be absurdly popular, they would lose money. It is more efficient for them to sell out and back order than risk the possibility of having thousands of units sitting around in a warehouse somewhere. The Nexus 4 is a casualty of its own success.

Even if Google ordered enough phones, and LG managed to eventually source all the raw materials they need to fulfill the order BEFORE the phone was released, the release date would have been pushed back to, at my guess, around now, maybe last week. You probably wouldn't have your phones right now, you get the point?

Patience.

If all goes to plan I myself do not have too much longer to wait.

Research "Envelope-content Splitting". I wouldn't put it past Google to use it in their own emails.
[Nexus 4 General] 1337sause:
4-5 weekers, brace yourselves. We have entered the final week!
[Nexus 4 General] connect_ammo:
fingers crossed!
[Nexus 4 General] theTqM:
Yes please. Hopefully this week will find a good chuck of us 27th of Nov'ers no longer frequenting this thread.
[Nexus 4 General] daglesj:
I reckon....

...that LG didn't realise that Google was going to sell them for cost until the last minute.

LG are pissed that they wont make a lot out of the deal and have decided to opt out by basically trashing it.

Why bother selling one version for nothing when they can sell their LG version for a profit?

Wouldnt surprise me if Google announce in the new year they are scrapping the Nexus 4 and refunds all round.

I bet the teleconferences between LG and Google have been blue!

For the record I ordered a 16GB on the 14th of December............:silly:
[Nexus 4 General] cyanide911:
I don't think LGs margins are getting affected much. It's Google which is operating at near no profit. And even LG might even be taking a bit of a profit cut, but it's always a benefit since the volume that Google can get them will be much more than a normal LG Optimus G would get. Billion dollar multinational corporations don't make such huge business decisions without extensively going over the risks and gains associated with the deal.
[Nexus 4 General] daglesj:
tookbu yon

Oh I agree with you entirely.

However, someone screwed up royally on this one. Some big mistakes were made.

They do happen, seen it happen in the corporation I used to work for.
[Nexus 4 General] 1337sause:
Call me crazy, but my hypothesis is that Google is making up the money through its accessory sales. If I'm not mistaken, the Nexus 7 charger sits at $25, no? Pretty high for a charger that costs no more than $1 to produce ;)
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Do you work for LG?

Lol I can't help but love this thread..:D Its Google subsidizing the phone LG still makes money not as much as the Optmius G but if u really thing LG would make a phone for Google for no profit u are wrong. BTW I'm sure price contracts were one of the first things Google and Lg signed. LG is a big company not huge but big and they have a team of lawyers that would have taken Google to court if they came at the last moment and said nope we are selling the phone at x price now instead of y price. Lg knew what they were getting themselves into what they didn't expect and anyone who actually followed this phone from its inception knew that the popularity of this phone blew up. Look at any other nexus phone the nexus is a hardcore android users phone. Now Joe Shmo wants it too and the sales just blew up and left Google with their pants down with a manufacture who wasn't ready to produce the numbers needed.

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[Nexus 4 General] mk92595:
I'm feeling that we start getting our tracking numbers tomorrow since today is Xmas.
[Nexus 4 General] connect_ammo:
LG or for that sake no billion dollar company will get into anything that causes a loss. Even if the current situation is causing a loss for LG, Google will have to bear it. Since for me as a user, I don't look Nexus 4 as an LG phone but a Google phone. Google has already lost a lot of reputation in market in handling the whole launch, I feel taking the refund routes will be a total disaster for Google. I am sure they can bear some loss to safeguard their reputation.
[Nexus 4 General] daglesj:
Well all I'm saying guys that some pretty dumb people on both LG and Google's side got involved this time around.

I mean didn't the following conversation occur at any time?

"Okay guys now the Nexus is the flagship Google phone, its the benchmark. They have always been pretty popular with the fans and enthusiasts and sell pretty well for a premium phone. Now we sold X million of the Samsung Nexus at $500 (whatever) in the first two months and this time we aim to sell it for $300. So maybe we need to have X+ million in stock ready for release?!"

I mean it doesn't take a genius....does it?

Someone fell out somewhere in this deal.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
I totally agree with u there. It amazes me how out of hand this got. I mean come on this is Google they are a huge share of the data on the internet. Its crazy how bad this has gone. We could spam the play site to order a phone for gods sake. I just think Google got caught with their pants down with this. Sad really...

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[Nexus 4 General] dirtyhamster73:
Boo boo, (Jeff) I can't believe you don't like the poetic bumper... don't you think it feels better than the lg? Not looks, lg is better looking, but this one feels so much better, and it looks good too. IMO
[Nexus 4 General] iceberg4:
Merry Christmas to all of those waiting for their nexus 4

The ones who got theirs are probably not following this thread :P
[Nexus 4 General] ThermoPhysical:
Actually, the conversation most likely didn't happen.

Samsung confirmed, during their first trial with Apple, that the Galaxy Nexus only sold 0.01% of the market. The Galaxy Nexus, according to Samsung, really wasn't their best phone and wasn't that popular. It echoes what other people say about the Nexus line, unless you are a Nexus fan, then you won't want the phone. Sure, we on XDA's Nexus forums and other Nexus forums may want it, but in reality, we're simply the minority in the world of Android. If we weren't the minority, then 4.0 - 4.2 would be much larger on the official Android OS pie chart.

Most Android phones sold are what the carrier wants you to buy. In fact, most people who work for Sprint didn't even get much commission for selling the GNex when it was new so they pushed people to buy the EVOs and Galaxy phones instead of that. Sure, you could still buy it, but they probably would rather you buy something else so that they'd make that extra bit of money.

The Nexus 4 is really the only Nexus phone to ever get this kind of popularity. This is why it caught Google (and LG) off guard. Not to mention those buying more than one and selling it on eBay (this includes Daily Steals and their "deal" of a Nexus 4 16GB for $500). Due to the failed launch of the Nexus 4, I don't think the 2013 Nexus will sell nearly as well if it's ONLY from Google Play and ONLY on T-Mobile (for the US anyway). If it was available in other places or at least able to pick up from a Best Buy or Walmart or something to use only on GSM carriers, it'd be a different story.

I'm not saying Google or LG isn't to blame (Google is to blame for not communicating enough with their CSRs on what to tell the customers and LG is to blame for not making enough phones, at least according to Google), but this was pretty unexpected for everyone. Of course, the customers wanting to buy 4 - 10 or whatever to sell for their own profit are also to blame.

Honestly, it sounds like everyone in this thread should have their Nexus 4 before the end of January, myself included. So why start throwing blame around now? Nothing will be shipping today, nothing's coming to your house or apartment today. Just relax, enjoy the holiday, and if you don't believe in Christmas due to religion or other reasons, at least take the day off from worrying about your new phone and watch some TV or something.

Or have ham, that's what I'm gonna do.
[Nexus 4 General] coolface:
Had to order it off my friend from China who placed physical orders at the shop. Its around USD380 arriving in US.
[Nexus 4 General] Psilocin:
Regardless of what happened this year, there's nothing stopping people from buying next year's Nexus because it will still be one of the best android phones on market each year. I mean, where else can you get a $700 smartphone for half the normal sell price? You can only hope that Google/LG anticipates the demand and handles logistics better than this year to avoid another fiasco. I only see the demand for the Nexus increasing. But with the possible introduction of the customization center in android 5.0, where all new phones will be vanilla with the option of personally customizing with oem features on the user end, demand should still be high due to the cost factor alone of the Nexus.

The only reason why Google is offering Tmo as the only carrier is because the Nexus does not have LTE enabled, therefore it would not be worth the efforts to get Verizon or ATT to also sell it. In a way, that played into our benefit because that would have meant even more backorders than we have now. Next year, the N4 will definitely need LTE because Tmo is currently in the process of deploying their own LTE network over the next few months.

Also, having fewer sellers limits the number of third parties they need to fulfill orders and the faster they can fulfill the play orders. Furthermore, Play offers the lowest price because Google sets that price. You buy from any third party, Google loses control over pricing, which explains why everyone else is charging close to $500 for the 16gb N4. Regardless of how flawed the Play store is, it's still the best option from a consumer point of view.
[Nexus 4 General] barondebxl:
they probably are on WiFi most of the time. But its possible to reach 6 hours.

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[Nexus 4 General] life58:
Is the phone back on stock in play store?
[Nexus 4 General] adulel08:
Why don't u just go check it

Sent from my T-Mobile Galaxy S3
[Nexus 4 General] ThermoPhysical:
Considering the launch was so flawed, I doubt that so many people will be so quick to get the phone from Google next time. Sure, the phone may be good, but don't forget customer service is pretty important. You may buy it as soon as it ships, but don't be surprised that someone decides to just keep the phone they have or just skip it all together just because of how this launch went.

People said the same thing when Capcom's store COMPLETELY messed up launch day orders for Marvel vs Capcom 3. It was so bad that people who bought it in store got it months before anyone who got it from Capcom's site. Capcom explicitly promised that anyone who preordered the game on their store BEFORE the launch date would get it in time. Instead, it was more like a few months after. They ended up giving away free copies of the $30 strategy guide to people and free shipping.

When the new MVC3 (Utimate Marvel vs Capcom 3) came out, Capcom's sales on their site were MUCH less than previously simply due to the bad launch. Don't expect people to be so shallow as to forget such an experience as this (and remember neither Google or LG is even compensating people for this, they're not even telling their CSRs what's going on).

From a consumer point of view, Google and LG failed. They don't care why it failed, they care that they did not get their phone on time, that the 1 - 2 weeks from November 13th wasn't fufilled. Sure, they sold out quickly, but when people who ordered after you get your phone while you wait for weeks (if not a few months), that shows people (mainly the "normal" consumers) that Google failed. Those who stick around after this are true fans of the Nexus brand and may not even have another phone to fall back on. People like that are in the minority. Everyone else has the Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy S 3, LG Optimus G, etc that their carrier sold them already.

Not to mention, the demand will die eventually. Even the Wii's demand is gone and which is why the Wii U exists now instead of this time next year. Nintendo needed to keep demand going and stop people from buying the PS3s and 360s this year. Plus, there's always the 2013 Nexus. :v

ANYWAY, I'm not trying to argue or anything. I have my ham, I care not about my phone right now. :P You do bring up some good points (and you just made me even more excited for Android 5.0). Merry Christmas (if you celebrate it, if not Happy Tuesday!), even if we don't see eye to eye on this!
[Nexus 4 General] athani:
I'm a 4-5 weeker from 29 Nov. Called google today. Was told that the device would certainly ship between 27 Dec and 3 Jan. Fingers crossed :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 4 General] Herbie555:
Thank goodness I got a bumper case...

Thank goodness I was able to score a bumper case: at least I had something to put under the tree for the missus. Printed out a "COMING SOON?" Label to stuff Into the case. Wife is still excited, but wish she could play with her new phone for Christmas.
[Nexus 4 General] Drzfr3shboialex:
Me, me, me, me! I'm a 4-5 weaker from the 28th.
[Nexus 4 General] blizzardofoz:
8GB or 16GB?

I ordered an 8GB and am hoping to still get it shipped by Jan 3rd. I've been getting the feeling 8GB phones have been few and far between. Hopefully they finally have the stock to start shipping them out.
[Nexus 4 General] Drzfr3shboialex:
Maybe you get lucky like the others and get charged for an 8gb but get a 16.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
Ya know my love its growing on me I like the feel better than the lg. But I only gave it more time cause u seemed to like it or it would go into my drawer with all my other flop cases.

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And u believed them?

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[Nexus 4 General] mk92595:
That's in the 4-5 week timeframe...
[Nexus 4 General] Gibsonflyingv:
This would make me happy. I realize that it's still within the shipping window, but it still sucks when they don't communicate with you and say that they're still on track time wise. I'm praying I have it really soon.
[Nexus 4 General] athani:
Mine is a 16gb.

Yes.
[Nexus 4 General] nageshmodhvadia@gmail.com:
Ordered my Nexus 4 (UK) on the 5th December. Checked last night on Play Store, my order date had changed from 5th to 24th.

But, status still remains as pre-ordered.

This either means they'll be processing soon, OR, I'll have to wait a lot longer than patiently anticipated!
[Nexus 4 General] nellisere:
Mine had also done the same, seems to be happening to alot of the December 4th's.
[Nexus 4 General] cyanide911:
Hope they're processing soon. I'm a 6th Dec 6-7 weeker, I'll probably be right after you :D
[Nexus 4 General] theTqM:
Definitely good news. I wouldn't trust it when considering with the inconsistency others have experienced calling CS. However, because I am so bored of waiting I'm just going to take it at face value and look forward to mine.
[Nexus 4 General] thecj:
Somebody knows if the date of the estimate shipping is since the order was made or since the order was confirmed?

i made my order on november 28,but it was confirmed on november 30. I'm a 4-5 weeker.

(PD: Excuse me my poor english my native language is spanish.)
[Nexus 4 General] nellisere:
I would assume from the date of confirmation.
[Nexus 4 General] ticojpunk:
Getting tempted by the ebay market. But I refuse to pay more than 450 and I don't know if I could consciously support the gouging. Wish Google could get it together, but I don't know how they are going to catch up. The next restock is bound to be just another identical round of nonsense.

I also fear a price increase. I mean, they aren't able to keep up at the current price point, so a higher price would simply pull in more $$ per unit.
[Nexus 4 General] Mr Ian B:
Dec 7th order and 6-7 week wait. Other than my original email, where can I see if my delivery date has changed or not?

Tia,

Ian B