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[Nexus 4 General] diablonyc2:
True .... its not like we are Apple iPhone fans and stuck with plain vanilla. There are a host of really cool/great phones out there.

- Optimus G (The Lexus version of the Nexus)

- Note II -- It really DOES fit more comfortably in your hand. I was surprised

- S III - All around Solid phone

- HTC One X+ - Uber Phone ... have not seen it yet.

- Nokia Windows phones --- NEVER count Nokia out....they were one of GIANTS...and 1st smart phone makers (Nokia Communicator).

Plus countless others. Let's see if Google comes through for us soon or we will have to look elsewhere for our fix......If Supply cannot meet demand....Damand will look for substitutes.
[Nexus 4 General] InfinitiGuy:
I received my bumper case today but no phone :(
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
I can't even begin to fathom why TMo would charge for SIMs. Are they that hard up? They just got billions of dollars from AT&T plus free access to some of their spectrum. I walked into AT&T and they didn't even make me wait in line to get a micro SIM. Just handed it over, noted my account, and waved goodbye. Could not have been easier.

It's a tough call bro. I started getting frustrated yesterday morning and stopped by an AT&T store to look carefully at a Note II. In the end I couldn't bring myself to do it, but there are phones out there that are absolutely great and, if you've got the money for it and don't want to wait the potentially three weeks...

Would love to see you stick around the Nexus 4 forum though. :good:
[Nexus 4 General] Clayfree:
They tried that with me too. Call T-Mobile and they will send you a sim for free. The only problem is you have to wait for snail mail.
[Nexus 4 General] ctowne:
I highly doubt it
[Nexus 4 General] surferdude73:
Nope, many LL3ers have not even called Google, and they don't have their phones.

I called them and did not mention BO, and I do not have my phone, or any info on it other than Shipping estimate: November 16, 2012.

Lying about availability on the other hand spurs annoyance.
[Nexus 4 General] aSquard:
Yup, AT&T gave me a free one also
[Nexus 4 General] astromanic:
yea, mine missed the flight too lmao. but it finally left Kentucky at 1:54 EST
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
I'm in a UPS limbo; it's in San Antonio but the last tracking update I got says "Late airplane". Unless they were flying it to my house, I can only assume it missed the truck but they won't let me go pick it up. I was told it should still be delivered but, meh...I'm not really complaining just think it's whacky.
[Nexus 4 General] gallitoreds:
Have you noticed that the option to contact Google by email has dissapeared? I wanted to write them a new email but coulnt find the link anywhere in the play store or from wallet where it used to be.

Anything new? Do u think that something is going to happen tonight??
[Nexus 4 General] devcurious:
T-Mobile doesn't charge for SIM cards for existing customers.

I walked into a few hours ago to get a microSIM, which they didn't have, but they cut a regular one for me and I was out the door in 5 minutes. If they had an actual microSIM, they wouldn't have charged me for that either. Got one about two months ago for my wife's iPhone, no charge.

I don't have a phone to put it in yet, but I didn't have to pay for the microSIM.
[Nexus 4 General] kkiran:
Wassup fellow limboers? I got it already but forgot to get the microsim adapter (I currently have a nano-SIM). No WiFi at work, basically the Nexus 4 is useless at the moment! Cannot wait for CM 10.1 on this one.

I am sincerely hoping Limbo3ers will get their N4 by Thanksgiving.
[Nexus 4 General] mayurolla:
I had T-Mobile credit my account and they let me walk into a retail store to pick one up. Picked it up at lunch time today.
[Nexus 4 General] idale:
I keep trying to like the GN2 and GS3, but I just can't do it, personally. Not sure what the specific block is, but I'm just really not a Samsung or TouchWiz fan (would have to root and put CM on, but I'm trying to go Nexus to avoid having to root and put a third-party ROM on). If I'm a fan of any of the OEMs it'd be HTC, which of course seems to be more or less on the decline currently. Love my G2, just want something bigger (fits in my hand better) and faster (RAM especially is crippling the G2 for me).
[Nexus 4 General] derPianist:
Prove!?
[Nexus 4 General] Feylin:
I'm so jealous of all the people that got out of limbo 2 and are receiving their phones...

In Canada we're all still in limbo 2
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
Ah, well, maybe that's the difference then. Didn't realize people getting charged weren't customers.
[Nexus 4 General] sn0warmy:
At this point I think those of us without shipping confirmations should just sit back, relax, and enjoy the holiday.

This whole thing actually has me appreciating my GNex much more than I did before. It will definitely get me through the next few weeks until the N4 comes. At which point it will still be used as my secondary phone for snowboarding/camping, etc.
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
Not so; some people in this very thread this morning from Canada got their phones.
[Nexus 4 General] biggiephat:
I got charged $1.06. Bought it online
[Nexus 4 General] zizo79:
Btw, the Nexus 10 32GB is back in stock https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_10_32gb
[Nexus 4 General] MewRai95:
I don't see how some Limbo 3 users got their shipping estimates... I want my phone dammit..
[Nexus 4 General] okplaya:
I believe it's at their discretion. The store by my job was willing to give me one for free. I went to the store near my house and they wouldn't give me a free one, but did cut my regular sim for free. They wanted to charge $20.
[Nexus 4 General] deestroi66:
I walked into a Tmobile store yesterday and the guy gave me a micro sim without asking for anything. I was out of the door in a minute. Too bad my Nexus is on backorder.
[Nexus 4 General] Clayfree:
Yes they do! It differs by Store/Region. The going rate here is $20(near Dallas). I called T-Mobile to complain and the store offered $10. I opted for the free one mailed to me.

The local stores see this as an opportunity to make some extra money.
[Nexus 4 General] intel8052:
I'm not a Tmo customer but I ordered a microsim + activation kit for $0.99 (or was it $9.99?) a couple weeks ago via their website. Had to wait for snail mail to deliver it but I ordered far enough head to get the sim well before the Nexus4 release date so I'd be ready.
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
HTC One X seems to be popular and well-received. I agree about TouchWiz; the first thing I did when I got my Skyrocket was root and flash it. Oh man is it ugly; it's just so poorly conceived. The idea that you can't drag to icons together to create a folder boggles my mind.

I think that the Nexus is a great phone and the right answer for lots of people, it's just having to wait for it makes you look for other options and sadly nothing else really compares dollar-for-dollar.
[Nexus 4 General] @rbiter:
Google just sent me an email. All your phones are belong to us. Happy thanksgiving!

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[Nexus 4 General] devcurious:
That's not UPS limbo...I'm in UPS limbo.

I got my tracking email last night during the first batch sent out by Google. It has yet to show up as valid, and here we are almost 18 hrs later. The phone wasn't delivered because my wife told me the UPS truck already went through our neighborhood but didn't stop at our house. I called UPS, they said that they have nothing on the tracking number, and that I need to contact the shipper to verify that they sent it. I called Google support, they said that they're not sure why UPS said to call them...UPS is the shipper.

So here I am in a new classification of limbo...no updated information from Google, no updated information from UPS. Other than the tracking email I received last night, I know nothing more about my phone, then what I knew that faithful 13th day of November.
[Nexus 4 General] ctowne:
Same here, this sucks..
[Nexus 4 General] devcurious:
Did you go to a T-Mobile corporate store, or an authorized reseller?

Either way, that's a pretty sh1tty way to try and make a few extra bucks.
[Nexus 4 General] Feylin:
Pretty sure those are people who received shipping confirmation ages ago.
[Nexus 4 General] Web-head:
T-Mobile DOES OFTEN charge for sim cards. I have many friends with T-Mobile and they say that they usually don't pay (the smart ones) but that they almost always start out being told that they have to pay either $5 or $20. It's only through making a fuss that they don't actually end up paying.

Many people don't make a fuss though and they do pay.

Not saying that you can't go in and ask for a sim and they won't just hand it over, because that's happened on occasion to my friends too, but there are too many cases of people I know, and others I have read about online, that were asked to pay (some do, some don't) to say that it's a rare thing or not T-Mobile policy. I think if anything, asking for one and them just handing it over is the exception and not the rule.
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
Time for a UPS limbo list now?

;)

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Could be; I hope you get something soon!
[Nexus 4 General] igni1ed:
Mine just came! Got my notification for my bumper and phone yesterday! Just got it all setupl.... THING IS HUGE compared to my old phone...
[Nexus 4 General] 5knotwinds:
Cool story, bro.
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
It could be that AT&T operates this way too, but I've never been charged for a SIM at any store I've been to so I haven't experienced it. I live in the former headquarters city for the company (formerly SBC) so I suppose we might get perks too.

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Grats; enjoy it.
[Nexus 4 General] demil7:
with the possibility of receiving the phone and not having been charged yet to my credit card, what if: as soon as i receive my phone I BLOCK my credit card? what happens then?
[Nexus 4 General] Trashville:
i cleared my browser cache and that's how i got the order through. it was at 5pm last week though.
[Nexus 4 General] DowntownJeffBrown:
I've gotten it from 2 different reps.

Sent from my Gs2 Skyrocket iPhone Killer!!!
[Nexus 4 General] josuetenista:
I had 2 orders on my account one shipped yesterday and the other one is gone from my account. Anyone with the same situation?
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
You would end up in a collections state with Google and potentially face civil liabilities.
[Nexus 4 General] [hfm]:
No.. they are canned responses based on your answer to the question.
[Nexus 4 General] devcurious:
I've done this at two different corporate T-Mobile stores, and I've never been asked to pay for a SIM card.

I will submit that I can't say what T-Mobile's official policy is on it though, so I may just be lucky that the two stores I've been to don't charge. I don't see how someone wouldn't make a fuss about paying 20 freaking dollars for a SIM card, after the money they paid for the phone, and the check they have to write to T-Mobile every month.

I would very politely tell them to go to hell if they asked me to pay.
[Nexus 4 General] surferdude73:
They report it to collections and ruin your credit. This has already been discussed in this thread, about 4k posts ago. You may have missed it.
[Nexus 4 General] MauriceZ:
Same here, I really dont understand anything.
[Nexus 4 General] Web-head:
I have never, nor have I ever heard of anyone, being charged for a sim at AT&T. You can even walk into AT&T and not even need a micro-sim or something and just say that your service is acting up and want to rule out the sim and they will just hand it over.

To my knowledge, this is a T-Mobile thing. Not sure the reasoning, but they do it all the time.
[Nexus 4 General] demil7:
is not their responsibility to collect their funds and ensure collection thereof before shipping me anything? i could say i blocked my card for a number of other reasons. i could say i lost my credit card and don't the person who found it to use it.
[Nexus 4 General] xdviper:
Just got to play with one. It's ****ing amazing. Especially coming from a sensation. It's really smooth and feels great in the hand.

Can't wait for mine. Limbo 3 ftw!
[Nexus 4 General] lionheart7282:
so us in limbo 3 can expect to get our phones before or on december 5th right???:confused:
[Nexus 4 General] kgeissler:
Did they activate for you or are do activate when your phone comes in? I have a Gnex on TMO and am not sure if I go in and get a micro sim, will it deactivate my current sim.
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
That's been my experience as well but I hate to make a blanket statement.
[Nexus 4 General] idale:
The One X did look interesting, other than it only being AT&T (I ditched them for T-mo long ago, and don't want to limp by on 2G). Rumor has it HTC has a Note competitor in the works; that'll be interesting to watch, I think. Sense at least isn't TouchWiz, too, though I still prefer a more vanilla experience (call me crazy). :)

And yeah, the Nexus is a high-end device with a mid-range price (from Play Store), so it's hard to really pass up. I'd be more comfortable with a removable battery and an SD slot, but as long as it doesn't have the issue my G2 does where it locks up and I have to pull the battery to reset it then it's not a big deal for me personally. I'm only using 7GB or so total on my G2, so a 16GB device should give me adequate overhead. (Famous last words, I know.) I like my hardware keyboard on the G2, too, but those are impossible to find these days and I think with a big enough screen it shouldn't be too bad typing on screen. Remains to be seen if it's the "ideal" device for me (especially since I don't even know when I'll be getting one), but regardless it should be quite the step forward from the G2. :good:
[Nexus 4 General] mitchdickson:
Go ahead. Commit fraud. See how it works out for you.
[Nexus 4 General] gl_ix:
So I finally decided to call Google after not receiving anything since ordering on Tuesday. I was told that my order was successfully accepted into the system, but for reasons unknown, it seems nobody has even looked at it since then. There is no trace that anything has been done with it at all, so now it's been sent to a "specialist" to see why.

*sigh*

Looks like I'll most likely get bumped to back-order status at this point, I don't see them miraculously allocating a unit all of a sudden when stock is already tight. Have to wait until tomorrow morning at the latest to hear back.
[Nexus 4 General] devcurious:
Are you serious?

Google agreed to send you a phone on the grounds that you agreed to pay for it. If you don't pay for it you have committed probably several crimes, the most obvious being theft by deception (a.k.a. fraud).
[Nexus 4 General] Web-head:
I totally believe you. Like I said, they don't always ask my friends either. It doesn't even have to be a different store. They can go to the same store and sometimes they don't ask. That's why I said depends on rep/manager and whether you want to make a fuss.

The norm though is that they ask. I see that from people all over the internet too.

Some people pay it. Some people go the mail option. Some make a stink. Either way, I think you are the exception, but I do believe you.
[Nexus 4 General] sk8glad:
I'm in Limbo 3 and just talked to a CSR. I told him I hadn't received a BO, and he then checked my account and told me my order was backordered. So I guess he did have some way of knowing. He did stress that my phone would ship within 2 weeks (and not 3 or 4) and might even ship tomorrow as far as he knew.
[Nexus 4 General] Trashville:
if you believe what has been stated by google and the service reps then yes.
[Nexus 4 General] :
That is my theory also. I think those receiving their phones today had them shipped ground last week as anticipated.

And since by tonight everybody without a phone will have missed the deadline, there is no reason for google to escalate the service level any more if they refund the shipping. If ours are to ship UPS world ease tonight we won't see them until early-mid next week. :mad:

Canada Limbo 2 8:33:04 PST
[Nexus 4 General] Web-head:
T-Mobile has the One X. It just isn't called the One X. They gave it one of their weird T-Mobile names that they sometimes do with their phones, but they do have it.
[Nexus 4 General] demil7:
playing devil's advocate guys, no need to attack. i'm just curious.
[Nexus 4 General] surferdude73:
Yeah, against a company big enough to lawyer-up against Apple and Microsoft. Should be an easy win.
[Nexus 4 General] Clayfree:
Their policy is that the Store/Region can make the decision to charge. I had two calls with T-Mobile and I asked this exact question. I had already ordered the .99 sim and it was in the mail. On Tuesday I ended up with 2 Nexus 4s and my son asked to buy the extra one. He went online and the sim was out of stock so I told him to just go to the store. That's when he learned of the $20 charge. For the record we are current customers of T-Mobile. My guess is that once they went out of stock online the demand shot way up and the stores saw a chance to sell a .99 item for $20 ...PROFIT :good: Once I called T-Mobile they were happy to mail me a second one for free. I'm sure by next week they will be back to free in the stores.

Look at the ripple effect all of these Nexus orders have had.
[Nexus 4 General] devcurious:
Sorry...I didn't mean to get snippy, it wasn't directed at you.

The thought that any carrier would charge a customer for a SIM card is damn near offensive.
[Nexus 4 General] Kermee:
*VERY* bad things happen :)

Cheers,

Kermee
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
No, it's your responsibility to pay for goods and services that you receive. What you're doing is fraud, and you could face civil and even criminal penalties. It's not worth it; you were planning on paying for the device anyway so just do it.

Don't forget too that when companies experience shrink like this the costs always end up coming back to the consumer, so when you steal from a company you end up stealing from all their paying customers. Don't steal from me bro.
[Nexus 4 General] Plexicle:
Uh, what are you talking about? It's your "responsibility" not to commit fraud. You can try to rationalize it any way you want to, but breaking the law is breaking the law.
[Nexus 4 General] gallitoreds:
WRONG! Google shipped them UPS NEXT DAY AIR. People can confirm this with their tracking numbers.
[Nexus 4 General] captaincool9:
In Canada here and I just got a shipping notice for one of my two orders! No bumper on this order just a 16gb nexus4. As I'm typing this the other just came in! In wish the best for the rest of you! I can now wait patiently for them to arrive.
[Nexus 4 General] surferdude73:
Or tase him.
[Nexus 4 General] dirtyhamster73:
And how would the back be changed? Unscrew it?
[Nexus 4 General] Trashville:
it's really not cool to steal things
[Nexus 4 General] surferdude73:
What Limbo Level? Did you have BO email? Congrats either way, maybe another wave of tracking #s is on the way...
[Nexus 4 General] idale:
Interesting; last I knew they had the One S, and there kept being rumors of the One XL or One X+ going to T-mo, but never saw anything come of it. Even searching I can't find any info. Any idea what it was called?
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
That too.

I just noticed your sig banner; sick. lol
[Nexus 4 General] florian3000:
Guys, I used to work for a credit card company.

Even if you block your card, the company will still be able to charge it. It is a legitimate charge so you will have to pay it.
[Nexus 4 General] Web-head:
It has nothing to do with the Nexus 4. T-Mobile has been charging for sims for years. My friends have needed micro sims for various iPhone models that they bought unlocked and were charged or asked to pay. This isn't new.
[Nexus 4 General] Mr.Fahrenheit:
Woot! All is well :) Sim card working, phone is a beauty.

You guys are in for a treat.

Hang in there fellow Limbo brothers and sisters!
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
I used to work for a rogue group of assassins called the Brotherhood.

Er, oh, I mean, good. They should be charged. :)
[Nexus 4 General] kzoodroid:
I've had charges take up to 3 days after I already received the item to post to my account, not sure if it was the bank slow to post it or the merchant slow to charge it.
[Nexus 4 General] demil7:
damnit, well so much for my plan for world domination. back to the drawing board
[Nexus 4 General] surferdude73:
Thank you. I was... Inspired.
[Nexus 4 General] devcurious:
As big as a fan of Android that I am, I wish I could say it was the Nexus that prompted this. The reality is that it's the approximately 1.5 million iPhones on T-Mobile's network that are pushing this.

Which makes charging anything for one so ridiculous. Until they finish all of their frequency shifting, someone thinks it's a good idea to charge a customer with an iPhone, $20 for a SIM, to get on a network where they only get 2G data speeds. It's insane, and if it's a corporate policy, they need to abandon it now. It's just an unnecessary, petty fee.
[Nexus 4 General] Clayfree:
Let me get this straight. You're here because you feel Google has wronged you by sending you product late. So your plan is to just steal it from them???? :rolleyes:
[Nexus 4 General] Exel:
Enough with the SIM talk. I:

'Play Store orders & shipping thread!'
[Nexus 4 General] Trashville:
just don't steal things from anyone guys. for reals. :mad:
[Nexus 4 General] intel8052:
I always preferred a hardware keyboard too until I picked up the swiftkey keyboard... then I never used the hardware keyboard again. Don't have the physical keyboard on my Nexus S and haven't missed it at all.
[Nexus 4 General] :
That would be good news then
[Nexus 4 General] MaxCarnage:
I think we've established that he was just talking. :)
[Nexus 4 General] kcm117:
They are free for contract customers. I believe pre-paid customers have to pay for them.
[Nexus 4 General] Roxy:
Hmmm... it's showing departure scan. Well, I still wont be getting mine until tomorrow. T_T

Anyhow... I hope more shipment confirmation will be sent out for everyone else who are still stuck in a limbo!
[Nexus 4 General] biggiephat:
I like how someone got a shipping email 2 mins ago and no one cared lol
[Nexus 4 General] ksocoolwitit:
Guy on Craiglist is selling his 8gb for $400 and he has it available. Think i might just pull the trigger.
[Nexus 4 General] Clayfree:
I was easily able to but the sim online late last week. By Tuesday evening it was completely sold out. I would guess the Nexus 4 had something to do with it.

I hear you about iPhones. Sunday I just took my last iPhone off the T-Mobile network. No more unlocking needed! :good:
[Nexus 4 General] 5knotwinds:
until we see more rolling through, its hard to get excited.
[Nexus 4 General] demil7:
unless it's you get cornered by a mugger. then the only solution is to mug him for all he's got :P
[Nexus 4 General] devcurious:
I still got nothing on my tracking number, and we received them last night around the same time.

Left Google limbo, only to arrive in UPS limbo.
[Nexus 4 General] tulongest:
Looks like Canada Limbo 2 people are getting theirs.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1989472&page=184
[Nexus 4 General] Exel:
They were in Canada, I think, lol.
[Nexus 4 General] ryanbmw51:
I know! The Canadian guy?

I wonder what level he was!!!!!!
[Nexus 4 General] captaincool9:
Can anyone tell me how to tell what shipping service was used from my tracking number? I think the service code on mine is 04 but I might be looking at the wrong numbers. If anyone knows can you send me a pm or an email please as finding anything in this post on the app is retarded hard.
[Nexus 4 General] Web-head:
I'm sorry. I meant the One S. It is the same save for a smaller screen and AMOLED instead of IPS. Not exactly the same, but it' kind of their variant of the One X. Least that's how I remembered it from way back when lol.

Maybe they get the actual One X+.
[Nexus 4 General] Clayfree:
Seems like a pretty reasonable price.

I bought from Play Store:

8gb Nexus - $299

Shipping - $13.99

Tax - $29.95

Mental Anguish from LL3 - $10,000