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[Asus Transformer TF700] TechXero:
Hmm yeah! I just follow reviews... If the number of positive ones outweigh the negative I get it else I just move on to the next item! Like N10 so far has had more complaints than praises and it hasn't been released yet xD

Am sticking to ASUS since it is a very well balanced device with good speed, build quality and features!

Cheers
[Asus Transformer TF700] Varekai:
Same, when I found out the release date of the Nexus I returned my Infinity to amazon. Went through 2 of them that was my third one, all three had really loose screen on the left side, it would make a clicking noise whenever you held it from the glass tapping the side. Aluminum is incredibly soft, didn't have the charging port lined up exactly at night one night and bent the aluminum lip down till it was almost touching the plastic connector. Constant reboots. CONSTANT reboots on all of them. If you are installing a bunch of apps or updates from the market you can't touch the tablet. The I/O problems are so bad that it bottlenecks the device and forces it to reboot. I rooted the device to get it a little bit better, but not much helped. The only real fix is to unlock it and put on a custom rom, but at the expense of the warranty on a $500 device, not worth the risk. On the infinity threads, if something is wrong with the tablet hardware wise that has nothing to do with it being rooted or unlocked, they still won't touch it, since it runs the s/n through and shows voided warranty. So now I'm patiently waiting for the Nexus to come out.
[Asus Transformer TF700] TechXero:
Well I dunno bout you guys but the Infinity is mature enough now that new stock hopefully has less defective ones! Plus like I said What warranty? I live in a freaking 3rd world country no QC no Warranty whatsoever! I have lived with it all my life! So voiding something that doesn't exist us ok by me lmao!! Plus did u guys even read my initial post? There's a link there showing you why the N10 is so damn cheap!

Am not being a fan here just came to a conclusion after reading countless reviews, watching hands on videos doing a lot of research going deep into manufacturer details parts used in what way... And finally uncovered some things that made me go towards the Infinity rather than the N10!

Most here just see a new device coming out they rush to sell their current one to get it because it's new no other reason! I don't have $ to buy a new device every few months... So I do a heck of a lot of research before I get one! And yes I saw some "bad" experiences with infinity but the good outweighed the bad!

Instead of bashing a perfectly good tablet just because some not everyone had a few defective models read more about what's under the N10 hood compare that to the Infinity!

In my case there is nothing to void... So if a bootloader unlock with custom ROMs fix things cool that's why I got into Android in the first place! I do have an iPhone 4 and a One X so....

Don't get me wrong I do understand some your frustration... I would have done n said the same thing have I gotten a defective product! And I hope I don't coz as I said it would be 10 times harder for me to get it replaced in case it is defective! That is something I should really consider before buying it! But there are so few good Android tablets out there that meet my criteria and Nexus 10 ain't one of them! I need more storage, better cam which it doesn't have plus am the kind of guy that prefers a well balanced device.

That's just me, to each his own preferences.... It is what it is....
[Asus Transformer TF700] jjdevega:
Don't see anything at BestBuy.com yet regarding the Nexus 10. Hopefully they will get some shipments in on release day next week at my local BB. I have 50 gigs on my dropbox plus the 32gigs on N10 so that's all the storage I need. I see many negative reviews but I'm going to give it a shot and decide for myself. Staying positive until I can get my hands on one to mess with.
[Asus Transformer TF700] TechXero:
All I can say is you guys are lucky to have a 30 day return policy! We have no such luxury! You buy you keep! Especially that Tablets beyond N7 n iPad don't exist here n we have to order online! Plus our Internet is limited to 5gb/month n 3G to 500mb so we can't use Cloud Storage! In short life sux here big time! :'(
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
Man.... That would suck. I feel for ya.
[Asus Transformer TF700] TechXero:
We have not known or experienced cloud storage nor 30 day return policy so we used to it! I just hope I don't get a faulty Infinity tab is all!
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
Well... Unfortunately the odds are against you.
[Asus Transformer TF700] TechXero:
You don't know that for sure it's a one in a few thousand shot xD
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
never claimed to know that for sure and more like 1 in 10 lol
[Asus Transformer TF700] TechXero:
Well am not gonna buy a $630 crappy device that is pretending to crush competition just on that notion!
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
Never said you should lol. Just meant Good luck. Sheesh why are people so touchy online?
[Asus Transformer TF700] TechXero:
Well since thread is titled Nexus 10! But sorry peeps here just loving it for all the wrong reasons trying to show them what they getting themselves into is all ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] jjdevega:
Looks like N10 has been spotted at a local Wal-Mart! Far ahead of schedual for the 13th! It was a 32gb version. Looks like I'll be going to Walmart tomorrow lol

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/0...walmart-ahead-of-official-november-13-launch/
[Asus Transformer TF700] hit173:
Im waiting for for hands on by people. Cant wait for the 13
[Asus Transformer TF700] mike216:
If your on clean rom or CM with Data2SD and fsync enabled with Clemsyn's kernel, There isn't going to be a clear better tablet out there. Some might say... Why do I have to go through all this to be where I want to be. My answer is I don't know but you have the option to transform your Transformer into a beast.

I'm sure the N10 is going to be sick however there is no clear winner! It's going to come down to what's best for you. Many are thinking that to many pixels become pointless and I certain resolution is all that's needed. I say you can never have to many. Let the tech world make use of it through there ever evolving code. Obviously just my unimportant opinion. You can't go wrong with either tablet! There both monsters and I will eventually have both. Waiting for Christmas. We like to give gift cards and my family knows what I like. I'm sure yours do to. Take care community
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
You guys are funny. First, IO didn't matter. Then, through cleverness the likes of which I've never seen before on XDA, you manage to blow it through the roof. So which is it? It doesn't matter to performance or it's the center of the Android universe and killer IO dramatically improves performance?. It can't be both. I'd guess there's a law of diminishing returns after a point because the OS and apps are designed to work in Android's IO system which, with a dependance on flash NAND and eMMC memory, is known to be slow and a weak link.

Here's a good visual example. I'm using the Note as a proxy for the N10 because it'll share so many Samsung-sourced internals and both have Exynos/Mali (albeit different versions) chips. Here are benchmarks from a TF700 with all the tweaks you described compared to an unrooted Note on JB and a stock TF700 on the .20 update. The modded TF700 scores 7,290, the Note scores 5,896, and the stock TF700 scores 4,032. But look how much of the modded TF700's gain is in IO.

Here's the breakdown of the non-IO scores between a modded TF700 and stock Note: (Note/TF700)

CPU: 11,887/17,110

Memory: 4,727/4,391

2D: 1,000/833

3D: 2,497/2,375

Other than IO, a re-born TF700 only beats an out-of-the-box Note in the CPU test and that's comparing a 1.4GHz chip to one OC'd to 1.8GHz with its GPU tweaked. Exynos Quad can comfortably run at 1.8GHz on the SGS3 so the Note has the potential to exceed the TF700's performance even in the CPU test. No one's done it so far because the Note attracts a different audience than the TF700. That and stock performance is pretty acceptable.

Tweaked TF700

Stock Note on JB

Stock TF700 on .20 JB Update

Back to the N10. Its internals like NAND, RAM, and IO controller are all Samsung-sourced like the Note's so you can assume they'll deliver similar (or better) performance. The Exynos 5 used in the N10 is clocked to a 2GHz max but is shipped at 1.7GHz. If the older Mali in the Note outperforms the tweaked GPU in the TF700 can you just imagine what the devs are going to be able to deliver once they get their hands on the N10's kernel; especially running on an AOSP ROM? The wild card of course is the silly number of pixels the N10's running. But I'd bet anyone here a tweaked N10 is going to own Android tablet benchmarks. Hell, applying the same tweaks you guys did to a Note would make it the reigning performance champion. So from an "all out" performance perspective a modded TF700 is no slouch but the differences compared to newer tablets isn't as dramatic as the benchmarks may paint them because of the influence IO has on the total score. Something for people contemplating a N10 to consider. That and to get performance improvements over stock you won't have to void your warranty and add an additional $100 to your purchase cost for SquareTrade to replace it.

P.S. - The TF700's pushing more pixels than the Note but in comparison to the Prime with the same resolution the results aren't that off in Quadrant 2D/3D tests.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
FINALLY!!!! Someone said something I've been trying to say with the facts to back it up!! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
I was killing time on a poke-your-eyes-out conference call. ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] bradslinux:
Agreed, the lack of storage options and no HDMI out, add that to my crap 1.5Mbps internet connection at home...what cloud?

Too many deal breakers for me, I'll stick with the Infinity and it's total of 192 GB of current onboard storage. All this along with Asus' long standing tradition of getting updates out frequently and over long term.....it just turned into a no-brainer.

Cheers!

Brad
[Asus Transformer TF700] duarian:
I'm honestly still in the air.

Unlocking not only voids your warranty, but any square trade warranty you have as well. So if you brick or have a hardware failure...your essentially flushing $600 down the drain. At this point I'm leaning more towards the note 10.1 solely because the N10 does not have external storage capabilities :-/.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jjdevega:
From what I read the N10 does have an micro HDMI port.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Here's its ports.

For expanding storage, I'd expect to see something like this made available. Samsung's always offered it for their proprietary connector so I'd be surprised if they didn’t offer something similar for the N10's unique connector.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
Mmmm,

So it does have a microSD.

I thought it was rumored to not have that option.

Edit:

No sd there

my misteak...

Edit 2:

Will the USB be a host port?
[Asus Transformer TF700] newellj79:
For what it's worth I used square trade for physical damage on my tablet and they had no problem taking care of it unlocked and all.

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I'm pretty sure the n10 doesn't have a "unique connector", but a micro usb.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Moscow Desire:
Keep it civil please

Well, seems this thread has got my attention.

Keep it to the topic. Anymore calling anybody "idiots" or anything similar, will bring out the "Troll" in me.

Only "1" troll allowed in my territory, and that's ME.

So lets keep things on topic, even if you don't agree with it. You wanna flame somebody, go to Facebook.

MD

EDIT: and another thing, if this continues about a NEXUS product, in the Asus 700 forum, I'll have a good mind to close the thread down. Doing a comparison is one thing.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
Im in the same position, intact, since amazon has such a good return policy, I just ordered the note 10.1 and will mess with that for a while and wait for the user reviews to come about on the nexus10. This is so I can compare it all the the infinity of course....
[Asus Transformer TF700] RR-99:
I just bought the TF700 after looking closely at the Note and reading the specs of the Nexus.

I don't think the extra resolution of the Nexus would mean anything to me, and it seems to come with a loss of battery time which IS important.

As for performance the TF is quite good enough as a tablet - I have a fast Lenovo laptop for heavy work.

So I'm happy - might even try a custom ROM when the hardware is thoroughly tested.
[Asus Transformer TF700] anaviel:
for me the lack of memory expansion is a deal breaker. The cloud is fine but what if I am in an area where internet isn't available and I need more storage? I understand being able to connect an external hard drive but doing that on the go is very uncomfortable. A tablet is supposed to be the ultimate travel companion with everything you need right there and having to expand memory with an external hard drive isn't very "on the go" friendly IMO. The only thing that intrigues me is the ultra HD screen but when I think about the lack of app support from developers on android for hi def tablets the screen doesn't seem all that amazing to me. My infinity is "Boss Hog" right now running Clean Rom and I don't see any other tablet beating the infinity right now.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Vertron:
About the lack of memory. 32gb will be sufficient for me without even using cloud storage. For all the extra media like films, I'll just keep them on a usb stick and pop it in using an adapter when I want something off it. Not as good as an sd card obviously, but a small sacrifice to make for instant android updates & good development.

Also, the people complaining about it not using the tablet UI. Don't forget, just like the Nexus 7, it can be changed very easily.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
No keyboard dock option = no way! The whole reason I like the "Transformer" series of devices is because they can "Transform" to a full-blown netbook replacement by adding the keyboard dock. If there is no keyboard dock then it's not even in the same category as the TF700...
[Asus Transformer TF700] dmoney94:
Good Bye Asus TF700 Forum....

I am moving to NEXUS 10 Forum...
[Asus Transformer TF700] g1xx3r:
I think this will be true in more ways than one..Where do I preorder!!?? :D
[Asus Transformer TF700] wolfman87:
You might want to check the stats on the Enyxos :)

Also, what can you possibly be storing on your tablet in excess of 32GB on the go, that you cannot put on external storage. At that point I feel like you really need more than a pseudo netbook.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Dibby6:
could this be possible to get a keyboard with it?
[Asus Transformer TF700] hellot1M:
It looks ugly... I hope this isn't their final design. Looks extremely cheap
[Asus Transformer TF700] Vertron:
Don't know until the official announcement. I doubt it will have a keyboard dock like the transformer tablets though. At the very least you could use a bluetooth keyboard.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Joeful:
The N10 is awful looking. I'm staying with ASUS. I bet the TF800 or 900 will be even better!

Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
[Asus Transformer TF700] wolfman87:
Hahah yea It does look..... Childish and too much like a tow (the corners are too rounded IMO). But maybe the design aesthetics are probably part of a Google tactic to make this feel more friendly and get it into more hands - literally!
[Asus Transformer TF700] golfinggino:
it doesn't look the greatest but if with those specs i will certainly be picking one up, samsung has better screens then asus with the same resolution so i am curious on just how how good this screen will be, btw i did test out the note 10.1 and even thought the screen resolution was on par with the asus prime the note screen in my opinion was very poor, but the note phone, and especially my galaxy tab 7.7 have outstanding screens
[Asus Transformer TF700] HoushaSen:
So this is essentially P10 that we all been hoping for. Objectively speaking, I have no doubt this is superior to the TF700 with 2GB memory, and even better screen resolution, and more powerful CPU/GPU combo. Considering TF700 has been out for almost 3 months, I guess not too surprising in this era of tablet market.

However, since I already own TF700, I am not so sure if the difference is enough for me to switch. As others said, it lacks external expansion. I will certainly wait for Windows 8 Surface Pro, and see how it performs (like in Jan 2013), and by then Nexus 10 may even be a bit cheaper.

But in all honesty, even this tablet will be overdone by newer tablet in several months... For example, I can see Samsung actually making same spec with inductive screen i.e. S-pen, and expandable memory. That's how the tablet market is.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
In non-staged pictures they don't look that much different to me. I'm sure the glamour shots we'll see in the marketing materials will make it look much better. And no one’s seen it in person. The N10's plastic antenna cover looks better integrated with the design and the wrap around soft edges will probably make it more comfortable to hold.
[Asus Transformer TF700] hit173:
Well i for one can't wait to Monday. Im going to see my options, but thinking about trading for a nexus10
[Asus Transformer TF700] rikkoko:
We have a dedicated keyboard dock as well as expandable storage. I can't see any reason to switch. :o

Besides, I'm surprised that so many people are excited about an absurd amount of pixels that they would sacrifice an expandable storage slot for it! Doesn't anyone realize that anything beyond the iPad's 2048x1536 resolution is pretty much the same to the human eye? The N10 only looks good on paper. That's only my opinion though :P
[Asus Transformer TF700] newellj79:
I'm a huge supporter of expandable storage. I'll have to see what size storage is available at what price. If a 32gb was sub $500 I might be in.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Assuming the N10's components are equal to the Note's there's more to a comparison than just pixels and storage (the keyboard is a different conversation). And Samsung's build quality is typically excellent which is why I'd imagine Google chose them to build their high-end tablet and Asus the entry-level tablet. And I agree about the absurd amount of pixels. That's probably more for PR to irk Apple than anything else. But N10 owners will be able to win any "my tablet can beat up your tablet" contests. ;)

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Here's the full spec sheet. Up until now everyone's assumed it was using an LCD panel. It's not; it's Super AMOLED which explains how they achieved such a ridiculous resolution. For those that follow Samsung devices it's a "non-Plus" display which means it's PenTile. The pluses for AMOLED are battery life on dark colors (exceptionally long video playback and gaming), truly "black" blacks, and vivid well separated colors. The downside is outdoor visibility (except dark colors on a light background) and PenTile uses algorithms to make fewer pixels behave as more which can create jaggies when viewed close-up. In this application there are so many base pixels it'll be less of an issue than on a 5" display. It's great that it has NFC; I wish the Note did.

- Samsung Exynos 5250Clocked at 1.7 GHz

- Dual-core Cortex-A15

- Mali-T604 GPU

- 2GB RAM

- 16GB internal storage (other options possible)

- 10.1-inch*Super AMOLED*display

- 2560 x 1600 pixel resolution

- 298.9 pixels-per-inch

- 5-megapixel rear-facing camera

- LED flash

- Front-facing camera

- NFC

- WiFi

- Bluetooth 4.0

- Dual speakers located on front of device
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Not sure what the Note 10.1 vs TF700 chart has to do with this conversation, but that chart is a joke. It's inaccurate. Just at a quick glance, I see these two *obvious* errors:

DDR2 RAM for the TF700 - it has DDR3 ram.

Speakers: 1-Stereo!??! The TF700 has two speakers. How could 1 speaker be stereo?

Based on those inaccuracies, I'll just assume the chart is completely fabricated to make the Note 10.1 look better...
[Asus Transformer TF700] MN_Bug:
My ASUS Infinity is already on e-bay. Sorry ASUS, I like your tablet pretty well but I decided after the G2X fiasco that, if possible, I will only buy nexus devices. Front speakers are a big plus for me and I'm hoping that someone will create much better accessories for the N10. The accessories for the Infinity have been horrible. Although I really hope there is at least a 32 GB option.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
HoushaSen verified the data when it was posted a while ago in the Note forum. Someone from this forum’s father works for Atmel and he said that the touch screen controller Asus is using is meant for a smaller device. The part number listed in in the teardown shows as DDR2 when you look it up on the manufacturer’s website. And this isn't about the Note which is as outclassed by the N10 as the TF700 is; it's about the components Samsung uses which for a high-end tablet like the N10 should be equal. Things like BT 4.0, Glonass, 5GHz Wi-Fi with channel bonding (like the iPad4 just added), a dedicated IO controller, and Samsung NAND aren't really debatable.

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It's likely the N10 will be available soon after it's announced. It passed the FCC as a "mystery" device in August and no one knew what it was. Samsung's getting Apple-like in their ability to keep a secret.

This is the first time we’ve been hearing about the GT-P8110 codename, and, frankly, we have no idea what to make of this tablet. FCC’s internal certification documents don’t help us one bit in unraveling the mystery, only unveiling that the tab will come with a 10-inch screen, 802.11n WiFi connectivity, Bluetooth, and NFC support.

It’s possible for the gadget to be some kind of a tweaked version of the Galaxy Tab 10.1, but it would be a bit too early to already release a successor for the Tab 2 10.1, which has only hit the market three months ago. Then again, neither the first-edition Tab 10.1, nor the Tab 2 came with NFC capabilities; it’s not impossible for Sammy to release a gadget with the exact same spec sheet as the Tab 2 and with that single added feature.

http://www.androidauthority.com/new-tablets-hit-fcc-lte-note-10-1-and-mystery-10-106759/

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[Asus Transformer TF700] Keion:
The only real problem with this is it looks butt ugly and it probably won't have an SD slot.

I'm pretty sure Samsung, or any other manufacturer really, will release a better version just a month or two after this one.

That being said, I really want to see a quad core cortex a15 come into play soon.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Dibby6:
really hope the nexus 10 sells well because then it will only make our infinity's better, quality tablet apps etc. And dont forget android 4.2!
[Asus Transformer TF700] dmoney94:
Front speakers are a big plus for me and I'm hoping that someone will create much better accessories for the N10. The accessories for the Infinity have been horrible.

Agree............
[Asus Transformer TF700] newellj79:
Agree as well.....
[Asus Transformer TF700] GenghisKhan67:
Apart from the display resolution, there's nothing here that would convince me to switch (and even then, it may well be slow as molasses).

Pass.
[Asus Transformer TF700] HoushaSen:
True. More high resolution tablet optimized apps will certainly benefit infinity. Also, nexus 10 is just like others, not complete superior ie. No extended battery with keyboard, no expandable memory, no inductive pen. This simply means manufactures have relatively easy space to build better product. At least i plan to wait