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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
After comparing the two devices for a while, I decided to stick with the Note 10.1 (even if I were to keep the ATIV, it was going to be an additional tablet) and returned the ATIV. I'll keep an eye on the upcoming W8 tablets from other manufacturers. The JB update on the Note 10.1 looks great (I'm playing it safe and waiting for the official US release).

Good luck to everyone who has purchased -or waiting to purchase- the ATIV tablet, and thanks for contributing to this thread for prospective buyers.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lord69:
Can you explain this decision more clearly as to why you think N10.1 is superior?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I didn't say it was "superior". At the end, Note 10.1 fit my needs better than ATIV. As I mentioned before, my main issue was the size (width) of the ATIV. There are some 10.1" X-86 W8 tablets on the horizon. If they offer a stylus, that would be a better fit for me and I'll take a look at them again. However, the way the Note 10.1 is evolving with every update, it's getting more polished.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] VTEChump:
Just bought the US AT&T version of the device. NO S-PEN!!! Plus, looks like they skimped on the battery also, it is listed as 4080mah. All of this for $150 MORE than the Wifi version. Really Samsung?!!!?? Really AT&T?!!!? Oh well, at least I have something to play with for 14 days, then it will be returned for a WiFi version with S-Pen.

YOU'VE GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!!!!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Oh, that sucks! What do they have in place of the S-Pen? A sealed hole? A different back plate without the S-Pen opening? I'm guessing not S-Note app on the tablet either then.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] VTEChump:
Nope, no S-pen, no S-Note, I tried the pen from my Galaxy Note and there is no response from the display, so I assume that must be different as well. Where the S-pen should be is a sealed up hole. WHAT..................A.........................JOKE!!! Honestly, not sure who is more to blame, AT&T or Samsung. Why would anyone pay $800 for this? Not even worth it for me to keep for the 14 day return policy.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] yumms:
4080mah! Thats half the battery of wifi version :eek:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Are you sure you bought note and not galaxy tab 2 because i may be wrong but I do not remember note being launched with cariers but tab being again I am not from us so pardon me if i am wrong
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
I think this may be the case also. I think you can order an international 3g version from overseas. Bit it was never released here in the states having similar card n all that. U.s. only has wifi version. They likely tricked the op into thinking the tab was the new note 10.1 lol
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] fella1:
I'm pretty sure he is talking about the at&t branded ativ smart pc
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] VTEChump:
Nope, I knew exactly what I was purchasing (ativ smart PC). Just wanted to try it out until wifi version with pen is available. Still can't believe ATT crippled this tablet. I will say, even without the pen, this thing is awesome! Will never go back to ipad/Android tablet after this, 100x more capable. Battery has been really good also, maybe the 4080mah is incorrect.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Laaf2005:
I also bought the at&t version and when getting home was disappointed that there is no S pen. I did fing that there is a samsung update app installed on the device and when running it I was given the option to install some samsung apps and one of them was S note. What i am unsure of is if there is even a digitizer built into the device. I have no way to test it. My wife has a wacom tablet and the pen wont work with the tablet, but its an old wacom tablet (i think it was one of the first ones) and i dont know if its just not compatible. As far as battery life i have found no definite answer in size vs the wifi version. Does anyone know another way to find out if it has amdigitizer built in? Would it be listed under device manager? Does anyone have a link that showsnthe size of the wifi battery?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] VTEChump:
My galaxy note stylus/pen does not work with the ATT version, thus I would be surprised if it has a digitizer. But who knows, maybe they deactivated it with software.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Laaf2005:
I guess its back to AT&T it goes. No pen? No digitizer? Have anyone tried any games from the microsoft app store on it? I tried the boat racing demo and it was extremely laggy. I know its a atom processor but i would think it would run those games ok.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Oh my bad I thought it was note you were referring to
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Passe28:
Warning! I got the Message, I should install the BIOS Update from SW Update Tool today, after reboot the Tab is stuck in a BIOS loop (allways going to BIOS, cann't leave it). At the Store the Technicans tried with another Device, Same Problem, so I had to send my device to Samsung.

btw, Sorry for my Bad English.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] VTEChump:
Battery life on Att model seems very good. Just used it for an hour straight (browsing, video, emails), then let it sleep for an hour, still had 90%. Should easily get 9+hours screen time with 20+ total hours of uptime. What are WiFi model users seeing for battery life? Loving this tablet, even great without the stylus. :good::good:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] javy_tech:
Talked to Samsung America

I bought an ATT ATIV Smart PC Friday bright and early.

After 8+ hours on the phone with Samsung and AT&T here's what I have manage to gather:

-- Obviously we know that the pen is not integrated into the tablet screen which is true for the wifi only model.

-- This device is supposed to be supported by the PC division of Samsung, not the cellular division (that took a day to figure out)

-- The pen for the ATIV is is supposedly different from the S pen for Android based devices. Don't know the specifics other than my S pen from my galaxy note 2 does not work on my ATT ATIV Smart PC. Every Site I have checked though specifically calls it an S pen including Samsung and Microsoft's product pages.

-- The drivers for the A-ASP can be found using the Samsung software (model XE500T1C-HA1US). Tech support from Samsung check the drivers for the wifi only model and said there were no other specific drivers that were specifically called out for the pen. Maybe someone on here could double check.

-- According to Samsung the pen for the A-ASP is an accessories that will be avaliable, and specific to the ATIV models. Called local ATT they said they were unaware of most accessories available but Samsung said to look them for hardware.

-- ATT has no mention of a pen capability anywhere on the new product page.

-- Battery life seems to be pretty good but have not done any true test. At a glance I would assume ~8 hours.

We will wait to see what happens but if I don't hear about a pen in the next 8 days we will be returning it :(
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] godofwar424:
Guys, I read about this issue with the Canadian version of this device, which also has no s-pen built in and the digitizer doesn't respond to other wacom stylus'

Apparently! This is due to the driver not being installed, if you install the Wacom Digitizer driver, then all should work as intended, the device should without a doubt have the exact same digitizer, they just have a different backplate!

I don't know how to install the Digitizer driver, but look around for it :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Passe28:
Galaxy Note 1, 2 and 10.1 s-pens all work on my WiFi ativ smart pc, is there such a big difference between the devices?

Gesendet von meinem GT-N8010 mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] javy_tech:
Ok I am in the hunt for the wacom drivers now.

--Found some drivers but no dice...ssys it cannot find any recgonized hardware and couldnt find anything in the device manager that stands out.

I cant imagine that the device is that different from the wifi only model. Anyway you can check out the driver name and verison for the pen in the device manager?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] andyrue:
So there's not even a slot for the pen in the back of the AT&T model? Why can there never be a perfect device? Something always has to be missing....
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoipiepeloi:
Inking in OneNote on Samsung ATIV SmartPC

For anyone who's interested, I tried some heavy inking in OneNote on the ATIV SmartPC. Writing is perfectly fine on a page full of ink, but lassoing is very laggy if you want to select large chunks of text. Small bits, such as single words, are fine with lassoing. The large-chunk lassoing is pretty sad though, if you want a really good notetaking experience...:(

http://youtu.be/1QvunOlDJCs

BTW this is OneNote 2010.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] godofwar424:
Have you tried that same page and the same test using a more powerful processor?

Would be nice to see a real comparison because this could be partly due to software.

I have heard of heavy inked pages slowing even i5's down
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoipiepeloi:
I got that suggestion from someone else as well, who said that lassoing is slow on core processors as well do it's probably software. This is my first tablet do I can't test it on other tablets. Would be nice to know, though, I have 10 says to decide whether to keep this one, go for the pro version later or keep my wallet happy and go for the note 10.1...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] godofwar424:
Yeah, well I have slowdowns on my old Core 2 Quad 6600 with One note sometimes, I think it just is demanding software at times.

Could you please install cut the rope and fruit ninja and some other games from the windows store and test them please.

I read somewhere that the device can't play fruit ninja smoothly which I find hard to believe as the SGX545 at 200mhz is much more powerful then the SGX540 in my Nexus, let alone the fact that in the Atom SOC its clocked to 533mhz almost 2.5 times more!

It should be more powerful then any other single core mobile gpu out atm so it should blast through games like fruit ninja!

Ps. Could you send me that page of heavy inked notes so I can test lassoing on my Quad core desktop. Just to see what it's like.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Spectredroid:
I would like to know this too please. Pretty please. Thanks. :thumbup:

Sent from my unlocked S3. Hello Verizon! How's the weather on Uranus?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] godofwar424:
Have a look at the last few posts on this thread as well, they seem to say that lassoing is horrible on OneNote but perfect in Windows Journal, so it is indeed a software issue.

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/sam...smart-pc-500t-staples-review-purposes-29.html
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
This thread have turned out to be an ativ PC discussion thread and have nothing to do with note 10.1,
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] godofwar424:
It was always going to end up this way, and it still is an alternative for potential Note 10.1 users, so its a good source of information for them to compare fully the pros and cons of each.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jjdevega:
I agree this does nothing to add to the Note 10.1 community.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
I see no comparison here , all what i see is people talking about windows related problems and some questions about where to get one
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] inmnbob:
I enjoy this topic even though I don't own a device yet because it is helping me understand the issues with Win8. I also have invested in the Samsung ecosystem so this helps in that way too.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] godofwar424:
Problems with this device are cons, and people saying if there is a fix for it then helps potential buyers, ofc it allows comparisons.

This is a very scarcely announced device, no official reviews anywhere online and this is a helpful thread. If XDA had a forum for this device then I would probably agree it should be moved there, but as it stands, its not bothering anybody by being here.

You do not have to read through it or subscribe to it if its not of any use to you. Its helping others out so what's the problem?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoipiepeloi:
Unfortunately I hardly have enough time to properly test it for notetaking and productivity (my primary use of a tablet, I'm not planning on playing games on it) so trying out multiple games just isn't an option for me.

But to help out at least a little bit I downloaded Cut the rope (Fruit Ninja isn't free) for you and played 6 levels. It worked perfectly fine, didn't stutter or lag at all.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] eagleeyetom:
This thread has turned into Ativ discussion panel.

So I decided to close it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I don't have any comics. If you point me to a source to download them, I can check it out for you.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] fella1:
There should be an app called xcomics in the windows app store. The app should be free and you should be able to download a free sample comic.. at least you can on android. If its not there you could go to the comixology website and view comics from there. Thanks!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] sinplomo:
What about battery duration? Pen accuracy? Handwriting is better than in SGN10.1?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Was not aware this device would not have a discrete GPU. To me that spells big trouble.

$100 more than the SGN10.1 and no discrete GPU? I have never been a big fan of the W8 "tablet" concept (yeah, shocking right?) because of the form factor; however, if the reviews overall are as meh as tender's, this device may be in big trouble. As I mentioned, the reviewers HATED the SGN10.1, but users LOVED it so the device was saved to fight on. If reviewers hate the early W8 devices and users are meh this is trouble. Just ok isn't just ok.

Check the Amazon reviews in a few weeks. If they aren't at least 4 stars and better overall these devices will flop.

I think the convertible ultrabooks will be a success however as they can actually be a laptop upgrade and not just an overpriced accessory. Anything with W8 below a 13.3" screen will fail IMHO.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
The battery life is actually quite good (especially for a Windows machine). I've been using it all day and finished the day at 72%.

The pen accuracy is the same as Note 10.1 as far as I can tell. S-Notes seems a bit more sluggish compared to Note 10.1, especially when there are multiple pages with pictures, videos, etc embedded.

One thing that bothered me is the screen brightness. When it dims after a certain amount of time, it's too "sudden". There's no gradual dimming, it goes down to a certain value directly. In addition, when you open the control panel to adjust the brightness, holding down the slider and moving from one end to another makes the screen flicker. If you just touch different parts of the slider, the brightness adjusts accordingly, but if you slide, get ready for a strobe lights effects.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I have to revisit the issue of 1080p MKV playback. The first set of clips that I created were from the "extras" on the Bluray disc to save some space (the main movie was huge), and they may not have been at full resolution. This time I converted the main movie using MakeMKV (ended up around 20GB) and transferred it to the tablet via USB. Even though VLC player opens the file, after few frames the video playback stops (audio continues without any interruptions). Cyberlink Power DVD opens the file and plays it, but there is no audio. In addition, if you move the slider to a different location in the movie, it starts stuttering and plays part of it in slow motion. Note that the exact same file plays perfectly fine on my desktop computer using Cyberlink Power DVD and VLC player.

I'm a total newbie when it comes to MKV movies. Let me know if I needed to compress this further from 20GB down to something else, especially since the tablet is not able to handle it in its current form.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] yumms:
Which screen size do you prefer, 11.6 or 10.1?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lord69:
First let me say that I really appreciate you taking the time to check this out.

For this problem I think that the bitrate is too high for the processor to handle. But can't be sure untill I see some of the specs.

Can you use an app like mediainfo to tell us more about the bitrate and codec of your file?!!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lord69:
And I should say that a 10 gb 1080p mkv file would be more relevant for a tablet like this to play.

And as a question how well did powerdvd play it?was it stuttering?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
Is anyone else not impressed with the all day use and 72% battery still left?

Is this constant use, or ocassional use, if constant, what was being used, if thats cool?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] thestinkinggenius:
10GB, more like 2 or 3GB
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
So, should I convert it to MP4 with a target size of 2-3 GB, then?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lord69:
I said 10 GB because I wanted to see the limitations of this SOC.

Of course I doubt that anyone would watch a 10 gb file on this tablet but as I said I want to see if its capable of playing it.

And please stick to mkv if possible since it's more demanding than mp4....
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Alright. Compressing it down to 3GB (still in MKV). Stay tuned...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I downloaded some Photoshop and Illustrator files and have been playing with them for a while. Some of them are big files with many layers. The Atom processor is keeping up with the tasks well, so far. With the included stylus, the experience (and the performance) is very similar to using Photoshop Touch on Note 10.1. Of course, you get all the goodies of using full Photoshop on this one.

Let me know if there's anything "particular" you'd like me to test in Photoshop or Illustrator that might be demanding for the processor. If you have a specific file, you can PM me a link to download and play with it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] orion9282:
OMG thank you!

Thanks so much for sharing your experiences. Super jealous that you have an ATIV PC as they're all sold out by me.

I'm interested in the photoshop performance and I'll probably PM you with some files when I get a chance, but I do have a specific question.

When drawing or sketching, my hand seems to trigger touch responses: I.e. there's no palm rejection. Windows 7 allowed you to turn off "finger input" in control panel, but I know Windows 8 took that out. I've read elsewhere that you can turn touch off but keep the stylus screen on through: control panel > device manager > human interface devices > and then test by turning on and off the HID devices. Could you see if this is possible? Basically, I'd want to turn the tablet into a "stylus only" input device... And have no touch capabilities.

I know this might sound ridiculous because widows 8 is awesome with touch, but I basically want a portable wacom cintiq.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
Assuming you have one, do usb dvd/cd drives work? Have you tested any other external usb devices, if so, can you say which ones work and which ones dont, if thats ok, thanks

Edit

Do you need external power to use for instance usb harddrives?again, assuming you have one
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Success! The compressed file (3 GB) plays perfectly with VLC player (Power DVD is not able to keep the audio and video in sync, but VLC is fine). I tried playing the movie both from internal storage, as well as from my slow 32GB USB stick, and the results were the same. I purposefully picked Bourne Identity and watched the chase scenes to see if there was any stuttering, but worked without any problems. Just in case, Codec: H.264, frame rate: 23.976 FPS, Avg. bit rate 3374 kpbs.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
So far, I've connected a scanner, a printer, several USB sticks and hard drives as external devices (sorry, I don't have an external DVD player). The powered 3.5" external HDDs worked fine. More over, the 2.5" external HDDs worked without the need of an external power supply (I transfered files to and from the drives and didn't have any problems).

I connected to my wireless printer and printed out few files without any trouble. I don't have any other external devices to test. Actually, I have a USB fingerprint reader, but I don't see the need to test that one, and I'm sure that it'll work, since this is just a full Windows OS.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
Thanks man, really appreciate it, thats pretty impresive, i like the fact that the usb port is on the tab itself :good:

Sorry dont mean to be a pain again, im sure others want to inject questions here also, but your 75% battery comment, was that constant use? Does the tab get very warm?and, whats the weight feel like? Sorry for superficial questions
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lord69:
That's wonderful news!

Thanks

Now I think I'll buy this!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Yesterday's use was occasional, but today has been pretty consistent. Over the last 4 hours, it's been on for 2 hours, installing Office 2010, running Photoshop for about 15 minutes, playing the Bourne movie for about 30 minutes and some web surfing. It was connected to the charger overnight, now it reads 84%. The back panel doesn't get warm. Let me play the movie again from beginning to end and see if that makes it warmer.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Der Zeitgeist:
Hey tenderidol,

I just registered at this forum to say thank you for these first actual impressions on the Ativ Smart PC! I spent the last few days searching for a review and these seem to be the first user experiences on this tablet! That makes it much easier making my decision on buying this thing too! :good:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] pardonmyfreedom:
Thanks for the review! Your mostly positive experience motivated me to check the 500T out at Staples. I've been dead-set on the ThinkPad Tablet 2 but the silence from Lenovo on release dates and the higher price has me somewhat worried.

I guess I really wasn't ready to feel that much flex on a tablet. Coming from a first-gen iPad, EVO View, and then a N7, the flex just seems too much to me. Without even trying, the first thing I did when I picked it up was push on the back a bit and there was quite a bit of flex, creaking, etc. I was not impressed with build quality at all. I've never had a Samsung tablet so maybe it's something you get used to. Doesn't feel like it's going to fall apart but you can tell it's made of polycarbonate the second you pick it up.

Thanks again for the review and look forward to more!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
That's pretty much it... I've had many Samsung phones and tablets, just like many members in this forum, and we consider that a "feature" :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tissotti:
Never been fan of the Samsung plastics, but remember that there's plenty of other Atom hybrids and tablets out there. Myself quite interested about the all aluminium HP Envy X2.

Thanks a lot for the impressions when it comes to atom. You have made me certain atom will be enough for my use.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
Thats pretty good stamina, with my note i can get easilly 1h per 10%, and usually with pocket change, how much depends on what i use..........so more or less on par with the note battery wise

pardonmyfreedom, lol, i dont think any one has a right to pardon your freedom, its yours......but since your asking, i pardon your freedom, and support it :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tissotti:
tenderidol is the pen to any use? Does it actually work?

I have seen some videos where example somebody tried to use the pen on ThinkPad Tablet 2 and it simply was not usable. Lag all around.