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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
It works fine. It mimics a mouse if you are navigating around the OS and you can write/draw with it inside specific programs (e.g., S-Pen, OneNote, Photoshop, etc). If you hold the button and tap on something, it acts like a right click. The only annoyance is that if you are in Windows Explorer and seeing a bunch of files is the list view, if you try to scroll with a stylus, it selects multiple files instead of scrolling. If you just flick your finger instead, it scrolls fine.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] fella1:
I just got back from staples checking out the 500T. I spent about an hour playing around with it and came away pretty impressed. Build quality felt fine to me, pretty much felt like a larger version of my Note 10.1. The weight felt fine to me, although I imagine that holding it in one hand for a very long period of time probably wouldn't feel too good. I started up several apps and didn't notice any lag when switching between them. I did notice however that some apps took a little while to load. S-Note did not start up as quick as it does on the Note. Function wise it felt the same though. Palm rejection seemed fine and the hand writing recognition worked pretty good. I downloaded and installed a comic book reader (comic rack) from the desktop IExplorer and the tablet remained responsive during this process. I played a little Plants vs zombies while it downloaded and installed (I agree that it is silly that you can't play the game full screen). The comic reader program started up fine although I didn't have any comics to try out on it. The portrait view seemed like it would be okay for reading them though.

Overall I really liked the tablet. I still think I would rather have the series 7 version though to have that extra performance level. If I do decide to get one (likely) and don't like it due to poor battery life, over warm case or extra weight, then I can just drop back down to the 500T and save some cash and still have a good experience.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
Cheers, i'd thank ya if i had any left, so, thanks +1:good: tenderidol and fella1 , and to the other fellas asking questions mimicing my own ponderings :good:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Just finished watching the movie (1:58:36), the back panel didn't get warm at all. Whenever there was a background process (e.g., Windows update, etc), the picture stuttered a few times. The battery is at 57% now.

I'll transfer the same movie to my Note 10.1 tonight and run it side by side for a comparison.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Duncken:
I just registered to this forum to say thank you for the great review.

In portrait mode, will your left eye and right eye see noticable lightness difference? Slight lightness difference like ipad doesn't matter, but noticable lightness difference like EP121 make me dizzy. The reason why I ask this question is that thumb typing on screen keyboard in portrait mode is the best input method without a USB or BT keyboard, much faster than landscape mode.

Another question, if you open 10 to 20 tabs in IE or FF, does the CPU still work fine with only 2G RAM?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Loaded the same movie to the microSD card and played it from there. As expected (due to dedicated GPU), Note 10.1 plays it smoother than Series 5.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] fvig2001:
So, how is the integration with the sim card? Can you like make calls/text? On your battery tests, did you leave the 3g/wifi on?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Sorry, I haven't had a chance to fulfill your request until now :D

I have some good news for you. OneNote 2010 performs perfectly fine, while streaming a 1080p video via YouTube (+ 3 other tabs open) in Internet Explorer and playing a 3GB MKV movie at the same time via VLC. The audio from the YouTube clip and the sound from the movie keep going without stuttering in the background, and I keep taking notes in OneNote and inking away. I have two notebooks open: one is relatively simple with few screen captures and handwriting, the other one is the "What's new?" document that includes pictures, etc. (4 pages). I can scroll up and down, change pages without any delays and take notes, work on each notebook back and forth with the background programs running.

The more I use it, the more I'm liking this tablet! I don't know whether there were some background processes after first setup that bogged down the processor while I was running the movie editor last night, but since then it's been working very well. I guess trying to render a 720p movie from 4 different clips was a bit too much for the poor Atom processor :D

OneNote is a superb program! As I mentioned before, it's S-Notes on steroids, and it's very capable. For anyone who uses his/her Note 10.1 for note taking, it's definitely a great option. Even though, watching or reading something in portrait mode is awkward on this tablet, it works great for note taking. Just one big long page to write on (the only problem is that when your palm is near the light sensor, it dims the screen; I flipped it upside down to have the sensor on the left side). I took your advice and stacked 2 windows in portrait mode. Works well for going back and forth between them to capture things, etc.

Since Office 2013 was designed with W8 tablets in mind (based on the demos I've seen), I'm sure that OneNote 2013 would be a lot better experience on this tablet.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tissotti:
Ok this is kind of off topic, but you, tenderidol have got me interested about this hybrid. Atom hybrid i was at first least interested.

Most of the Atom Z2760 Windows 8 tablets are marked at 1.8ghz, but ATIV Smart PC seems to running at 1.5Ghz.

Is there really a difference?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
When I launch the task manager, under "Performance" Tab it shows Intel Atom CPU Z2760 @ 1.80 GHz.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tissotti:
That is weird.

http://gadgetexperts.net/computers/samsung-ativ-smartpc-coming-to-att/

http://bgr.com/2012/10/04/att-windows-8-tablet-release-date-asus-samsung/

There's countless of blogs (Samsung official press release) talking about 1.5Ghz clock speed, as are some Finnish retailers on their pre-order pages.

Though i figured it made no sense if everybody else was running it at 1.8Ghz.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I don't want to give the impression that the Series 5 hybrid is perfect; it's not. It's sluggish sometimes (depending on what's happening in the background and what's the main task), and it comes with the quirks of Windows and being a v1 machine with a completely new OS. For instance, out of nowhere, I lost sound few minutes ago. I had to restart it and it's back to normal (the infamous "just restart it" solution). This definitely has potential, especially with OneNote, but I'm going to wait a little longer to see what other tablets will offer in the near future. In the mean time, I'll enjoy my trusty and fast-as-hell Note 10.1 as usual.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Duncken:
Would you please tell us the detailed Windows experience Index of this slate?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
It's 3.2

Processor: 3.4

Memory: 4.5

Graphics: 3.5

Gaming graphics: 3.2

Primary hard disk: 5.8
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] efjay:
Is the tablet prone to tip backyards when in the dock as there is no battery or does it feel balanced? Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Sorry, I don't have the keyboard.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] efjay:
Ok, thanks.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lord69:
I think it's due to lack of HW acceleration support in windows apps like vlc. Note 10.1 player has it so it can play almost anything smoothly and very efficiently.

But I think windows apps still don't support new atoms HW acceleration. I was kinda hoping that samsung was going for it with the S Player but it seems it doesn't even support mkv which is a little odd for samsung!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Another point that I'd like to add is the approval of both tablets by my 6 year old :D

He's been doodling with my Note 10.1 for a while and he loves drawing random things on it. Just to see how he would find his way around, I launched OneNote and gave the Series 5 hybrid to him. Now, I can't take it back! Even though some people don't like the ribbon in Office 2010, he has the Draw tab open and finds everything that he needs to duplicate what he's been doing in S-Note. So, there... a kid-friendly MS Office component (I should contact MS for an ad opportunity) :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] manpacker:
Thanks loads for reviewing this device! Definitely sounds like a great device, especially as I attempt to go paperless. I am already using a tablet-pc but it is very heavy and has < 3 hours battery life.

I am planning to purchase this device for educational purposes only (no demanding games). I need to know if it can handle big PDFs (1000+ page textbooks). Is scrolling and zooming PDFs fast?

I will also be "printing pdfs" to onenote, so I can annotate journal articles and lecture notes. Is scrolling and zooming in onenote on a page with 50+ printouts acceptable? Will inking lag?

Finally, I will be using it as "rough paper", where I doodle all my mathematical derivations and equations. Hope to know if the s-pen lag on long pages of ink (and if the lasso + resizing ink will work smoothly).

From what I gather, battery life is awesome for a full Windows device, and the usb port is a huge plus. I do not want the 7 series given the lower battery life. Thank you so much for your time!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I would be more than happy to test those parameters for you, but you'll have to PM me few of your long pdf files (the papers I have are not that long).

By the way, annotating pdfs work very well with Acrobat Pro X using the "Drawing Markups" panel under "Comment"; you may not have to print them to OneNote for annotation (unless you have other specific plans). On the Note 10.1, the same can be achieved by Acrobat reader (limited annotation tools compared to Pro X) or ezPDF reader.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoipiepeloi:
You apologise for giving me an answer after only one day? Please don't, I think that's pretty fast, since you've had to answer so many questions and had to install Office first. :good:

Thank you for testing OneNote performance. I think I'm going to buy this tablet when it's available in my country (hopefully next week...). Notetaking, pdf reading and browsing are going to be my main usage with it, so as cool as I think the Note 10.1 is, the Smart PC with OneNote is probably better for me.

I have found two big office files (Word and PPT) that could be worth testing, if you have time. I'll send a link by PM. Could you try and see how the tablet handles them, and if smooth inking without lag is still possible in these files?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
One bit of good news for W8 users is that apparently there are a number of fine Start Button emulators available if you prefer that over the Metro business.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] manpacker:
Thanks for the offer! I have PMed you a link to some files. Please do take your time. I'm not in a rush to purchase, since its still not available for me.

Anyway I annotate pdfs on onenote mainly because there is much more space around to doodle on. Margins are puny for some journals. Thanks for the suggestion anyway!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tonyz3:
Here is a quick ramble. I grabbed a surface tablet for my wife who squished her nexus 7 screen cracked. The build quality is amazing. I know there are certain trade offs with that build quality but none that affect me. Needless to say she has not been able to pull it from my hands. I really wish Samsung quality was this amazing. I really like the os and don't miss the start button at all. I am really amazed at all the whining about it being gone. But a story for another thread. Right Sami. I have the Samsung 700 pro on order but it been pushed off for a few weeks. I went to check this out at staples to see if I would like it in stead. But on the way I stopped to play with the yoga tablet. I love that thing especially the 13 inch screen. It didn't seem that heavy either. I wish the yoga came with a pen. Also looking on their site for an upgraded options the shipping with the i7 is 4 weeks. So what to do. Ramble on.

Great song too.

If there was a firm price and release date for the surface pro I could probably wait but I am impatient.

Sorry for of topic. Sort of.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
I want to get a Surface also. I've been watching a ton of video reviews on it. Its a great device. Here is the kicker, people complaining about win8RT lacking apps is full of b.s. just watched a video where they showed the Microsoft app store for RT. Its filled will all the same big name apps like IOS and Android. Plus learned that Surface/Win8RT launched with over 7000 apps available for it now. That's a ton of apps. Sure its not more than Android or IOS but it will get there. People forgetting there are far more windows developers in the world than IOS and Android combined. It will be far easier for windows developers to upgrade their legacy apps to RT vs. Them port it to Android or IOS.

My biggest worry for Win RT was possible lack of apps. I've seen now that it has more than enough with more coming. Plus me seeing all the big name popular apps there also made me feel good about it.

I can post a link to that YouTube video if people want to see proof of how win8RT app store is loaded with all the major apps found on Android or IOS.

AS FOR OP TOPIC, the top of the line version of that Samsung tablet looks good. But very expensive. It costs $1200..
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
I was one of the lucky few to pick up this stellar device from Staples yesterday. I originally had the keyboard bundle for preorder on Amazon. THANKS SO MUCH TO THE OP for all the tips and tricks! I can safely say that the build quality on this device is top notch. It is typical Samsung quality with a twist. No flex at all on my device. I went with the Sammy over the Surface simply to have a HYBRID device capable of running Windows 8 and RT apps, but didn't want the bigger, bulkier Ivy Bridge devices. For the price I paid ($599), it's a great deal. My wife won't let me have it back! I love the live tiles, and though there is a bit of lag when loading apps, I feel this platform is here to stay. I'm sure all the lag and niggles will be worked out with future updates. I also don't miss the start menu. I will buy the keyboard dock when it becomes available.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Thanks for the quick report on the Surface. I'm going to check it out on my way to work on Monday at a MS store.

As for the build quality of the Series 5... For someone who's owned Sammy products in the past will be right at home. However, for a fist time Samsung mobile product buyer, it may feel different with the polycarbonate backplate and small creaking sounds.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Is your stylus rather difficult to remove from its slot as well? I have to get my fingernail in that tiny little groove and pull hard to remove it. Compared to how the stylus comes out on the Note 10.1, this is inferior. I don't think there's a magnetic component in the housing; just a plastic mold to house the pen. For instance, you need to remove the S-Pen on Note 10.1 to be able to use the stylus from Series 5, but you can do the opposite on Series 5 without taking the stylus out. The OS is not aware of whether the stylus is docked or not, so to speak. If I end up sticking with this platform, I'll be purchasing "real" styli for home desk, work desk and computer bag.

By the way, in case you haven't run the "SW update" program provided by Samsung, that adds a little Start Menu app to the desktop if needed/desired. I installed it but haven't needed it so far. The nice thing though, it can stay on top of other windows and you can have quick access to it while in another application without going to the desktop or Metro UI first.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
I also picked it up on Friday morning (some of my thoughts are summarized in a thread on the Verge forums). One really amazing thing is that I haven't plugged it in all weekend since Friday morning (sorry it was actually afternoon around 4pm when I unplugged it) and I still have 21% battery remaining.

I did wipe all the samsung crap that comes preinstalled though and most of the time I have spent browsing, a few apps and office 2013. I put word, powerpoint and onenote on the tablet and although onenote mx is disappointing onenote with the pen is incredible!

My poor note 10.1 is just sitting in my bag looking forlorn.

Tender: Do you know if the staples version has nfc? I can find the driver in device manager but no sticker on the back. I don't have any other nfc devices to test it with (atleast not until the lumia 920 pops up :)).
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] ggoldfingerd:
Thanks for your input. I'm glad some here is able to compare the two systems. I'm sort of on the ropes between the two. I want to upgrade my Xoom to either of the two tablets the two tablets being discussed here. The whole point of my upgrade is to be more productive at work. I feel that MS Office will always be better than Androids (when released), but I'm note sure how much I'll use it without a keyboard or mouse. Might as well just use my laptop at that point. My plans are heavy use with the s-pen. Another issue is that if I have windows, I'm going to want the pro version for legacy apps, but I'm not going to spend $1200 for it.

I really do like android. I wrote and app to control some hardware at work on my Xoom. I do have a phone version, so I don't really need a Android tablet. I do think I can do all of my work through notes and pdf's, so either device will be great. The goal is to get rid of paper notes. I do love Google apps, so that is a big plus for Android. I will definitely be keeping my Galaxy S3.

I would like to hear a comparison about the s-pen usage between the two tablets. It does not need to be program specific. Please include any issues such as squiggly lines or palm rejection quirks.

I'm still favoring the Note 10.1. I'm tempted to pick one up at Best Buy and try it out. I have 60 days for either an exchange or price match. I'm hoping that Best Buy will carry the ATIV series. As of now, it isn't even on their website.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Thanks for your feedback on the Office 2013. That pen/finger integration works great on OneNote 2010 and I forgot to mention it in my original post. Being able to move around and control the page and objects with your finger (without using scroll bars or tapping on a button) and seamlessly write/ink with the pen makes the experience really rewarding. When I go back to S-Note on the Ativ or the Note 10.1, I end up drawing longitudinal lines on the screen with my finger while trying to scroll down and remember that I'm not in OneNote, followed by undo, and use scroll bar on the right. The same feature works in Word and PowerPoint, too, when you are inking (i.e., scroll down, zoom, pan, etc with your finger, and write with the pen without pressing anything else).

Just to report my second glitch (the first was losing audio yesterday), the screen was unresponsive to stylus (touch worked fine) after waking up from sleep. Of course -this being a Windows machine- a restart solved it :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
I have had the same issue with the pen. It only really happens when it resumes from hibernate though, hopefully a driver fix will remove this issue.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
No problem with extracting the S Pen, though I haven't used it much. This is my first device with that technology, so I'm looking forward to using it more. Typing this on my iPad. My wife still won't give the Ativ back!:rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Duncken:
Same problem with my Asus EP121, still not solved 18 months later
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Great to hear! :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
That was funny..lol. hopefully it'll be resolved sooner than later ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] inmnbob:
Does the a pen from the note work on the Windows slate. It would be nice to be able to use the investment iin my note spens on this tablet too
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tonyz3:
Yes I was wondering the same thing. Do you happen to have one of the larger pens that a lot of us bought from eBay for our note 10.1. To see if it works on the ativ.

EDIT: here is another thread I came across for the Ativ

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/sam...iv-smart-pc-500t-staples-review-purposes.html
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Duncken:
Sorry for the bad news. Some members of tabletpcreview think it a hardware defect and returned their EP121 for warranty.

Actually, try put it to sleep and wake it, usually it's much more quicker to get the touch control back than restarting in most cases.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
Unboxing video for those who are interested

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Must admit, so far ive been impressed after reading this thread, and watching some vids.......hoping someone does this tablet vs note 10.1 comparison

I like the fact its got a spen, a bonus, thats gonna be difficult to give up, with future purchases

Reasons for still being on the fence

-performance issues.....although that may be fixed by software

-weight.......im still waiting for light as a feather strong as bull tablet, so the slight increase, is a step in the wrong direction

Its definetly got me thinking thats for sure, will keep looking at reviews, deffinatly the next generation

My Pros

-pen

-PORTS

-multitask screens

-good variety of external driver support .......so far, time will tell how varied

Wondering, if anyone knows, can you play xp generation games on this thing, i.e. games released on xp...........hell, ill just say it....can it run crysis........never played it, but if it can run that, im pretty sure itll run other games i have in mind
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] ggoldfingerd:
I forgot to ask another question. How is the pressure sensitivity vs the Note 10.1?

I'm now on the verge of getting this over the Note 10.1. I didn't realize that this came with Windows 8. I thought that it was RT based on the price. I hope Best Buy carries this soon. I have $200 in gift cards to use. I guess I will put the Bond 50 Bluray on hold for now....
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
Having a problem with my device sleeping and waking. Doesn't seem to want to come out of sleep. Had to reboot it to get it back. Wonder if anyone else is having this problem? Not a big concern at this point, though. I believe this may have something to do with the power management driver in Clover Trail not being optimized and due to be updated soon.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] dude6595:
Anyone find one of these bad boys online and I stock?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
I use the note pen http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ET-S110EBEGSTA

It works perfectly. The note 10.1 default pen also works.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Looking at the TabletPC Review site, apparently some units had Office 2013 RTM on them. Interestingly, the one I have has Office 2010.