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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoipiepeloi:
@ redviper,

Thanks for the info on OneNote, I'm going to try out that custom group you pointed out. Sorry to hear that snap doesn't work on the desktop version. If it's just about multitasking, you could of course just have two windows open next to eachother (or above/below in portrait mode), but that's probably not as smooth as the snap.

@ redviper & tenderidol (and other lucky ones that have this tablet)

On the note 10.1 that I tried out in the store, you could use handwriting instead of the onscreen keyboard for any input field (also useful for taking typed notes with online handwriting recognition), and though I've never had my hands on a windows tablet, the windows tablets apparently also have this (the TIP window). Is it easy to use to handwrite typed notes in OneNote/Word, input fields on the web, email etc? Can you easily switch between keyboard and TIP window?

Bit of a bummer to hear about the pen input hibernate/sleep issues: I'm planning to use the tablet for quick, on the fly notes between periods of work, so I was hoping I could keep in in sleep mode with OneNote open so that when I want to write something down I could just turn the screen on and write. If it requires a reboot every time I want the pen to work, I'd have to go back to pen and paper... :( Does it happen often/every time/only once in a while?

I'm also interested in annotating large PDF files, like Manpacker. Did you have a chance to try it out?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] manpacker:
I figured I can answer this on behalf of tenderidol, who has very generously tested a 898 page (41mb) PDF textbook for me. Scrolling/zooming/annotating in Acrobat pro is smooth. Printing everything to onenote took a long time (obviously), but after that scrolling and annotations are fine.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
Crysis wont run on atom forsure
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] soju59:
I picked up one of these yesterday at a local Staples for $599. I played with it most of yesterday and like it so far. The WiFi seems a little slow even on a 5Ghz network and it does slow down if you do several things at once. For the things I use a tablet for it should be fine though. I also have a 64GB Surface and I like that also (except for not being able to install x86 apps). Now I just have to decide which to keep. I will definitely be keeping my Note 10.1 though.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
The handwriting recognition is out of this world. And I really mean it In some ways its already better than people for my handwriting. Sometimes even I can't read my handwriting but onenote can decipher it with almost 99% accuracy. There are some issues with the style of cursive I use (my native language is urdu so my cursive is .. er.. more cursive), but even then it works almost all the time and is easy to fix!

One thing that I have started doing is to sync my notebooks to my desktop while taking notes and just convert to text from my pc.

The sleep issue happens if your tablet goes into hibernate. I think the problem is that the driver is not being reset after the resume from hibernate. Its unlikely to be a hardware issue because its fixed by a soft restart.

I am a scientist so I usually don't really use large pdfs but it works fine on papers (12-16 pages normally). The reader app also gives me some inking lag like onenote mx. Which seems to be something that I have ****ed up when I removed all the installed programs. But annotating on onenote is easy peasy. Infact easier since I can print from my desktop to the tablet and annotate and have it sync back.

One problem is that I can't find the keyboard dock anywhere. I saw an availability date for november 22nd. I have a travel coming up november 18th and I really wanted to ditch my giant elitebook laptop. Perhaps I can use the bt keyboard/mouse, but I would have really liked to have the dock.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
Just listened to the Windows Phone Launch. Ballmer said there are now 120,000 apps available on the phone side. Can't be too long before some of these top apps show up on the RT and Win8 side. I, too, was looking for the keyboard. CDW stated they will have them in 1 to 2 weeks. We shall see...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
I think the overall public response to these is that the cheaper version such as this one are underpowered and the more powerful units are too expensive for such a small screen. That leaves the ultrabook convertibles which although expensive can be used as a true laptop replacement.

If W8 is to be a success, ultrabook convertibles will be the place IMHO.

I'll wait another 6 months or so for the hardware to get to v2 status then pic up a 13.3" or 15" (prefer 15") ultrabook convertible with pen. Will get an i5 and plan to spend $1200 or so but well worth it for a laptop replacement. At which point my GF would inherit my SGN10.1. She gets all my old tech but she loves it. Her daughter will get the EVO View I just gave her when I bought my SGN10.1.

Am I buying their love with technology? Yes, yes I am :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
Underpowered? I have this, an iPad, plus Android devices in the home. This device is close to trumping them all, in my opinion. Not sure why that consensus exists. I've been using the Ativ all day and have not had one hiccup, or restart. I haven't even touched my iPad3 which was supplied to me for work. I have downloaded Chrome and have been using it since yesterday. I still have almost a GB of ram available while using Chrome - and it's the pc version. There is no RT version yet. I like the Ativ for it's versatility. It's pc AND a tablet.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
Ive seen it mentioned here, something about opening certain programs i believe.......

Waiting for an extensive os comparison vid, want to see it pushed to its limits, see if its just certain programs or an overall thing, if that makes sense

I take it you dont experience anything like this?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
I've mentioned lag when opening some programs, which others have mentioned. I also understand that this device doesn't have the horsepower of an Ivy Bridge processor or 8gb of ram, so it won't run resource intensive programs simultaneously. But, I have a laptop for those applications. This device lets me carry most of my work with me without the bulk, plus have about 8 hours of battery reserve. Will it replace my laptop? Not really. But, for less than the price of my iPad 3, I get a tablet and pc in one. Plus, my iPad has been very 'laggy' since IOS 6 update.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] inmnbob:
What version of Office comes with this unit? How much of the spen integration is there into the office appsmommom

Does Outlook connect like a phone or laptop because I am not sure that I have the permissions to install laptop version if it requires more than a phone would.

Do we lose anythin because it is not Win RT from a consumer app pespective?

Bob
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
The initial lag that I observed was during using movie maker. There were 4 separate 720p movie clips and I was trying to merge them into 1 big movie. Obviously, this is a demanding task for an Atom processor without a dedicated GPU. Other than that, it's been working just fine here.

The above assessment of this being both a "tablet" and a "PC" is very accurate. If you never leave the metro UI, you don't know that you are running a full PC, and if you use it mainly in the desktop mode, it'll feel like a little touch-based computer.

So far, my only concern is the loss of pen input after coming out of hibernation. It's not something you'd like to have on a tablet where "instant on and off" with full functionality is the key. Windows 8 shuts down and boots up rather quickly, but that should never be a "solution".
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
laggy' since IOS 6 update.

Understandable :D

In comparison to the note, would you say its as CONSISTANT in performance, or do you find that depending on what your doing , or how many programs open, do you have inconsistant performance i.e. note taking app, usually takes 1-2sec to open up consistantly on the note, do you have varitions in opening times with this tab, i.e. 1-2 seconds normally, and other times maybe longer

Sorry if thats a moronic question, :eek:

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Well hopefully, for your sake, its just a simple patch...............its weird thinking about a typical windows updates on a tablet, when being so used to android......i dont know, maybe its just me
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Jorj_X_McKie:
Great thread
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Nfinity:
So, Ativ owners, if confronted with the option to keep only one of the two (Note 10.1 or Ativ) with the limited time spent using the Ativ so far, which would you choose? It may sound like a silly question, but taking the Ativ with such little time spent playing within would speak volumes of the Ativ's potential (based on your opinions, of course).

Thanks TC and commenters for the comments on this thread. I love my Note, but would love a tablet with Windows OS and built in USB, and have up til the 5th to return this if I decide to switch.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Lol, Samsung better pop out that JB update unless they want to start losing customers to W8.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] omnia38:
I have until the 14th and was wondering the same thing. The only problem is that none of the store near me have them, and I don't want to use my card to order it online since the wife might see it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoipiepeloi:
Can you avoid the hibernation mode by changing the energy saving settings? I'd be happy with just sleep mode as long as the pen input works as soon as I turn on the screen (would be interesting what that does to battery life)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] liquidgraphite:
When you say "hibernation," do you actually mean hibernation as in everything in RAM gets saved to non-volatile memory (your SSD or HDD) and then actually shuts down. Then when you turn the device back on, it takes a several takes while it loads everything back onto RAM, and when it's done all your open programs are back, just how you left it?

Or, do you mean standby or sleep? Because when you say "instant on and off" it makes it sound like you're just going in and out of standby rather than actually going into hibernation.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
I really like the tablet, but would like the software to be a bit more optimized. I find myself going from Metro to Desktop more than I should have to. For example, there is no real video OR music player on Metro. You have to go to the desktop and load a good player. This should have been addressed out of the box. I bet the folks with RT are having a grand time with that one. For someone looking for complete simplicity like IOS, this will be a source of complete frustration. Also, and this may sound petty to some, but the keyboard settings have options for auto capitalization at the beginning of sentences, and periods after two taps of the spacebar. Neither works even though I have them checked, and it DRAMATICALLY slows down typing if you are used to those things being there. It doesn't even auto capitalize an i if used in the body of a sentence! It's like the MS guys never picked up an Android or IOS tablet. Rant finished...

BTW - For some reason Windows Media Player doesn't want to include any folders from the SD card or USB drive when playing back music. It will only play one file at a time and won't add any of the music to the player.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] ggoldfingerd:
How well does Windows 8 sync Google Account work with the tablet? I know the Metro email program is pretty basic. Does your calendar and contacts sync OK?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
Yes, the calendar and contacts sync well. The mail app is the same as the one in RT. Basic, but pretty good. There are no notification sounds (reminders) that I can find anywhere. The only notification you get is the update of the live tile.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] inertiaholic:
Tenderidol, i have been following your thread and thanks for doing so much testing for us and for defending the need to put a win8 tablet review vs Note 10.1 because you are right -- many of us 10.1 users are looking at the Ativ too!

I would appreciate it if you could help me test something out. I am one of those freaks who use the camera of tablets for photography but mostly because i take pictures of newspaper articles to read and to file. This is one strong point of Note 10.1

When i tried the Ativ's camera, it cannot seem to autofocus plus there is no way/option to activate the flash. Could you try to take some macro photos and let us know the results? Are articles sharp and can the flash be activated/deactivated?

thank you!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] thetruth1983:
Thanks for all the updates guys. I still have not been able to find one but I am close to a Microsoft Store and I'm hoping that they get it soon. I wanted to ask a couple questions. First, is it awkward to hold it in tablet mode? I have a Samsung Series 7 slate and it's kind of big to hold. It's mostly because it has a 11.6 inch screen. I know the ATIV has the same screen size but weighs less. I wanted to know if you find it as comfortable as holding the galaxy note or a iPad.

Also, do you know if it's possible to sync s-note to the note 10.1 or note phone? I recently bought a Galaxy Note 2 and I love to sync my notes from S-memo to the ATIV and vice versa. Thanks in advance and have a good day!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] inertiaholic:
to me, the size of the ativ is somewhat unwieldy compared to note 10.1 (probably because ativ is pretty long/wide) but definitely much better than the samsung and asus slate to me.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] thetruth1983:
Thanks for the reply. I will probably hold out on buying one until I can actually use one in person. The Surface has a 10.6 inch screen and it didn't feel too bad in tablet mode. I may just hold out to see how much the Surface pro goes for.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lord69:
Is there anyway to download a big file? Like some GBs.....

I mean these downloads take a lot of time and I want to know whether you can set the screen on or not?(without going into the sleep mode of course!)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
You can adjust it in power management settings (set it in performance mode) it is windows and you can do whatever you want :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
I downloaded the Office ISO and had no issues. Even if the screen turns off it should be fine.

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Sadly calendar and people hub are the worst things about windows 8. MS really needs to get its ass in gear and fix the people hub and for the love of god fix calendar and mail.

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As far as I can figure, you can't sync between s-note on note and ativ. Which sucks. But so does s-note so I am not too worried about it.

The tablet is a little tricky to hold. It has a very wide form factor and a large screen. For me the height (the smaller dimension) is the same as the note. The width on the other hand is significantly larger. In some ways its awesome. Typing on the screen is easy peasy. In some ways it sucks. You have to take your hand off to press a button on the middle of the screen.

I think I have finally found a good use case for my note 10.1, and that is to read in bed. For productivity I have mostly moved on to Onenote.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lord69:
Do you mean that it continues downloading even after going to sleep mode?!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Yes, I actually mean "hibernation" in the sense that if you don't touch your tablet overnight and hit the power button next morning, the screen shows the Samsung logo (as if it's starting up) and after about 3-5 seconds you are presented with the log in screen. If you left any programs open the night before, they'll be there open waiting for you. Unfortunately, every time this happens, the stylus is NOT recognized (touch works fine), and your only option is to restart it.

The instant on and off I was referring to was when the screen is off (or if you hit the power button) and few minutes later you come back and turn it on. Those situations are not stand by either.

Not having instant access to the stylus after coming back from hibernation is going to be problematic for people who just want to pick it up and write something quickly, Of course, we can disable hibernation, but that will reduce the battery life significantly. The other option would be to turn off the tablet every night and turn it back on (instead of letting it hibernate through the night), but that's just not practical for a tablet.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I don't that's the sleep mode. If you think about how a Windows computer works while downloading something, this is no different. It will be on for the entire duration, but the screen will be off after whatever time you set it up. It will go to stand by -and hibernation- after finishing up downloading the file.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I used the camera briefly, and if I remember correctly, I had to press the object on the screen that I wanted to focus on. I don't have the tablet with me at the moment, but tonight I'll take some macro shots and test the flash.

Compared to Note 10.1, it's not that easy to type using the onscreen keyboard. Since it's quite a bit wider (you can check the pictures in the first post), your thumbs can't reach certain letters, and you have to move your hands a lot. I've been using SwiftKey on my Note 10.1 in split mode, and I can type quite fast with it. However, typing on the ATIV is a bit challenging.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] pilot123:
I upgraded this tab to use windows media center. After connecting my htpc via home group I can access all my recordings (non drm) in WMC. I streamed all my mkv files to VLC and win media player after a quick installation of shark007 codecs. VLC works great with playing as long as hardware acceleration is turned off. The Atom processor seems to keep up and minor hiccups like the previous poster stated. Just waiting for a fix to bridge networks and I can get my ceton turner up and running.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
You know I fixed the hibernation issue somehow. I am not sure how exactly. I updated the drivers from Samsung. Use powercfg -h off, then powercfg -h on and then one more time powercfg -h off. And now the tablet doesn't hibernate, only does connected standby.

In theory connected standby should all you to download even in sleep mode, since network does work (I get a bunch of DNS resolves from the tablet during sleep). But yeah I meant you can turn the screen off and it will just go on downloading.

edit:

Actually I think hibernate might be worse for the battery due to the cost of hibernating. Connected standby is super low power and if its only for a day or so it won't make a difference. If its for longer I guess it might be an issue.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] fvig2001:
How is the device when it comes to using 3g/4g? Does is drain the battery badly? I am kind of bummed out that there is no GPS and compass on the device though. I kind of wanted to turn the ativ smart pc into a replacement/backup cellphone.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
There is no 3g/4g either, unless you use a usb dongle. Wifi doesn't seem to cut hard on the battery, but most of the time I use it like an offline device with notes, graphics, ppt and word.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] ZaelFaroe:
Interested in the tablet, and curious about the gaming ability of the tablet. The Galaxy Note 10.1 can run GTA III for Android, can anybody who happens to own the ATIV Smart PC and a few windows games (older and newer) see how bad or surprisingly well they run?

Thanks.

P.S. Also has anybody tried running linux from a live usb drive to see how the "linux won't run on clover trail" pans out?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] liquidgraphite:
Well the Atom SoC actually supports connected standby, so it actually is supposed to use very little power in standby yet still receive updates (like stay connected to the internet and receive new e-mails, push notifications, etc.) just like an ARM powered device. So in theory, you should be getting similar standby times to ARM tablets without the use of hibernation. Have you actually tried turning off hibernation and seeing how the battery is overnight?

By the way, for anyone who doesn't know, Intel's next generation Core processors (Haswell, and actually I think it's more of an SoC) will support connected standby too.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
So far the reviews on Amazon have been strong. The reviews for the full ultrabook convertibles have been glowing. I'll wait 6 month or so then grab one of those as a laptop replacement.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
I

Some one on verge asked me to run the FFXI benchmark. It ran but I was too sleepy to watch it finish. It didn't run very well though. I wouldn't count on this for gaming at all.

Hasan
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
Something has happened to my Ativ this morning. For some reason it has been locked up as if it's updating, but I've left it alone for an hour, plus rebooted twice. Still locked and sluggish. Touch doesn't register at all. I can get to the start menu after a while, but cannot get to the task manager our any other processes. I may have to start from scratch. Not pretty. Typing this from my Galaxy Nexus.

12:55 - On the phone with Microsof (after speaking with Samsung support). They are efforting for a solution. Seems to me like the processor has "crapped out". May have just gotten a bad one. It was working perfectly until this morning!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] trentgillham:
Where do you buy one?

I've called Samsung, they said it was available, then I call an online retailer and they won't have it till mid-november? What's up with the launch? And why isn't anyone talking about it? I only found one article about this after searching for a while.

I preordered on Amazon and it just out of stock since the 26th, I havent got any news and calling them didn't help.

http://techoutcast.net/2012/10/31/windows-oems-botched-the-tablet-launch
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] VTEChump:
This is really frustrating. No Staples around me have stock. I talked to a Staples manager yesterday and he said they received one display model and were told they wouldn't get any more until mid November. He claims it is a Samsung manufacturing issue.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] trentgillham:
Why not announce a delay? There is barely a piece of news about this.