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[Asus Transformer TF700] the_game_master:
even Google doesn't want to risk making a defective tablet, hence that huge SAMSUNG logo on back of Nexus 10 and not ASUS.
[Asus Transformer TF700] anaviel:
I have over 12gb of music on my infinity as it stands right now. I travel allot and on the plane I like to watch blu ray movies which the files can range from 8gb to 12 gb. Some of my flights range from 4-8 hours and the on flight movies aren't always what I want to see. So not having a slot for memory expansion is not ideal for me. Needing memory expansion isn't something that is unreasonable from a tablet. Cloud is fine but internet isn't always available and I don't know about other people but when I see companies releasing reports about how many files they have uploaded on the cloud and the type of files they are I get a feeling of "privacy invasion". I just don't feel comfortable placing personal files in someone else's online storage database. Some may feel perfectly fine about it but I don't. Business documents and other files should be left offline to prevent theft. I'm also an author so again I need storage for transcript files. To not adding a memory expansion slot is either laziness or trying to keep the cost down. Maybe this tablet will be a great tablet its just not for me.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
I don't know, my Asus-built Nexus 7 is an absolutely awesome device... No issues whatsoever.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Does the UI on the N7 look like this screen shot from the N10? It basically seems like the tablet's being treated as a giant phone. It looks like a big waste of real estate with the action bar at the bottom the same size but underused and notifications scrunched together at the top in another bar. What's it like to use and are there any advantages or disadvantages?
[Asus Transformer TF700] dmoney94:
That can be fix....

http://www.androidcentral.com/how-alter-dpi-your-nexus-7-bring-familiar-tablet-homescreen-ui
[Asus Transformer TF700] gizak:
I think 1080p or i guess in the infinity's case, 1200p is more then enough resolution for a 10 inch tablet. Screen resolution and ppi appear to be going the route of the megapixel wars cameras had going for a while. After a point, it doesn't really matter.

I'd rather they focused on making colors accurate, screens brighter, rendering smoother, and more battery efficient. More pixels to render, requires more GPU power, thus more battery drain - to compensate, they put in bigger/denser batteries that if combined with a less demanding system, would increase tablet life substantially.

Another note, if the Nexus 10 screen is amoled, i'm sure it will look impressive... but the one thing I love about the infinity is the insanely bright capability of its IPS panel. This is more a personal preference, as I enjoy sitting out back by the pool in the morning catching up on my favorite blogs and forums =)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Vertron:
That's the bad thing about amoled screens. Although they've improved a lot in the last few years, so it might not be as much of an issue anymore. They look great in dark environments though.
[Asus Transformer TF700] rikkoko:
Agreed. I believe the N10 will just serve as a benchmark for other tech companies to use when making their new tablets. I just hope that these 'pixel wars' won't intensify in the future, but rather an increase in the quality of tablet software, ergonomics, screen panels, etc. I can't wait what the future Asus Transformer will be like!
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
The AMOLED display will be a selling point, not a negative. Here's what GSMArena said about it on the 7.7. Obviously for outdoor use nothing compares to the Super IPS feature of Asus' tablets.

And yet, despite all the superlatives it deserves, the design won't be the Galaxy Tab 7.7 key selling point. That role is most certainly reserved for its 7.7" Super AMOLED Plus screen of WXGA resolution (1280 x 800 pixels). There is nothing special about the resolution and some 7" tablets like the Huawei MediPad and the Toshiba Thrive 7 even push the pixel density above 200 ppi. If you did the math already, you'd know the Galaxy Tab 7.7 is close behind at 196 ppi. The Retina display of the new iPad is the standard-setter in tablets at 264 ppi. The Super AMOLED Plus is 7.7 inches of pure brilliance. But if the spectacular image quality of Super AMOLED Plus displays is a must, the Galaxy Tab 7.7 has no alternatives. There's no need really to go at lengths about the image quality of the AMOLED screen. The deep blacks, infinite contrast, color saturation and outdoor visibility are giving LCD screens something to aspire to. The viewing angles of the Galaxy Tab 7.7 are impressive, with almost no loss of color unless the screen is viewed at extreme angles. No other tablet screen can even come close to that.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_7_7-review-742p2.php​

As for battery life, the Exynos is an A15 chip on a 32nm die. It'll do better then Teg3, a A9 chip on a 40nm die even with the extra pixels it's pushing. And the 5250 has a dedicated display port interface to remove the screen refresh burden from the SoC. The N10 won't need a massive battery to get competitve (or better with AMOLED) battery life.

To maximize power efficiencies at the system level, the Exynos 5250 has an embedded DisplayPort (eDP) interface that is compliant with panel self-refresh technology (PSR) applied to the timing controller (T-CON). The embedded PSR technology enables static images to be refreshed directly from the frame buffer memory incorporated in the T-CON, resolving the need for regular display refresh instructions to be made by the application processor in cases such as reading static web pages or e-books.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/news-events/press-releases/detail?newsId=4001
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Here's the kind of performance difference to expect between Exynos/Teg3 and AMOLED/LCD. The battery on the SGS3 is 2100aAh and the 4X 2150aAh. As a consumption device the N10 will kick-ass battery life wise because AMOLED performs so well on dark colors.
[Asus Transformer TF700] cmdrdredd:
What if my service is out and I want to listen to my music on my device? Does Google think I can't get a hurricane and knock out my internet?

---------- Post added at 06:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:48 PM ----------

I have 20GB of music and 15GB of video on my Infinity and the MicroSD card. That single 32GB woud not work for me when I want to watch those videos or listen to the music I have. You expect me to plug in an external HDD? Sure...I always carry one of those on the plane.

The other thing...plastic. I rather liked the brushed aluminum on my TF700. With cleanRom now, it runs like a brand new device anyway.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Then again, maybe not! Looks like the N10 actually has an IPS screen after all...

http://androidandme.com/2012/10/tab...ideo&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

Way too much speculation going on in this thread!
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
That's half the fun. ;) Even after the reveal it'll still need to be in peoples hands to understand how well it does or doesn't do what it's supposed to. Without AMOLED the earlier mention of battery life concerns is completely valid. That's a whole lot of pixels to push out to an LCD display. AMOLED most likely would have meant a higher price point too. So $399 for 16GB as rumored (as valid as the earlier AMOLED leak) could be true with a PLS (Samsung doesn't do IPS) display.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
16 gig ain't gonna cut it.

I'm pretty spartan appwise with me Infinity and I sit at 20gig used on internal.

Then again I have a lot of flac music stored.

I really thought that a minimum 32 gig was the new standard for tabs in the 400-600 dollar range.

16 to me is just kind of measly.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Google lives in their own little world where the cloud's available 24/7 for free via a T1 line. The N4 "standard" version is 8GB of storage and 16GB is the max. Don't forget, they were shocked when the public bought N7's with 16GB in larger quantities than they projected and they ran out. For the N10 there will at least be a 32GB option and Samsung offers 64GB in some of their own tablets so that may be an option too. If they price the 16GB at $399 and 32GB at $499 the cheaper price will get people's attention faster. If they price it the same price as the iPad ($499 16GB/$599 32GB) they'll probably sell far fewer. $399+ Android tablets didn't fly off the shelves when the iPad didn't have a retina display. The N4 doesn't have removable storage either even though the Optimus G on AT&T does. Oh well, that's Google.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diogenes5:
Some thoughts.

http://briefmobile.com/google-nexus-10-samsung-android-4-2

1) Display is PLS, not amoled. Too bad. Even if it had been, Amoled, I would've had to wait for reviews. The galaxy S3 still has a terrible pentile screen IMO that makes text blurry. The Galaxy Note 2 seems to have fixed these issues. Pentile is always a red flag.

2) 16gb is the introductory model. Maybe there will be a 32gb version. That will be the only legitimate base version. 16gb only is a joke.

3) Way less connectivity than the TF700. It looks like microusb and thats it on the device. It will have better bluetooth and wifi though which is a big plus.

4) Lack of micro sd or larger storage is a joke. I can see how you can justify lack of storage space on a phone but on a 10" tablet? 10" FHD are designed for media consumption and that means large gb+ video files. It's why the 16gb Ipad3 was no longer really legitimately the base model.

5) This will be the galaxy nexus of tablets. That is to say, google will release a better version with better features a short-time later, like they did with the Galaxy S3 phone a few months after they helped make the google galaxy nexus phone. I expect that tablet to have full connectivity (HDMI, micro sd), S-pen and a quad core exnyos. I think most of us enthusiasts will know this and wait for that version instead to compare.

By the time the Galaxy Note 10.1 HD comes out, the infinity would likely have been out for almost a year already.

I am frustrated with the infinity because it took 2 months before a good stable OS was out for it. But now it basically does exactly what I need it to do. The battery life is still really mediocre though.

If I ever upgrade this tablet, it will be to the HD version of the Samsung Galaxy Note which will probably have the specs I listed in 5. I will only upgrade when it has confirmed 10-hour battery life, runs fast and stable, has an s-pen, and all source code released. If it doesn't, then I will upgrade to the next tablet that has this feature set (you hear me asus?). I would be willing to give up on the s-pen though for a transformer's deck.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
Its always interesting reading these type of threads. I think I will get Nexus 10. The power, best/highest resolution, and priority on getting updates first make this a winner already. Nexus7 turned out to be a huge success for Google/Asus. Looks like Google/Samsung has a beast here. Android has killed apples biggest arguments for its newsy Ipad now. They are no longer king in display resolution or gpu power. Apple CPU wasn't impressive to begin with.

Can't wait to see tegra4 battle exynos5.

P.s. I want a MS Surface also ;) reviews on YouTube have been great so far.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Vertron:
Agree I also like the look of the Surface and Windows 8 looks better than I expected. However it's a first gen device and all the apps I would want to use on it don't exist yet.

The Nexus 10 will be my first tablet as Android does everything I want and will only get better thanks to instant updates from Google.
[Asus Transformer TF700] skipped:
It looks like the Nexus 10 will be extremely thin.. There are some pictures in BriefMobile comparing the Acer a100 and the nexus 10 thickness..

source: http://briefmobile.com/googles-nexus-10-caught-on-video

It is more than a half thin.. (a100 thickness is about 13mm)

Also, something curious is that the dock is very similar to the one in the Microsoft Surface, maybe we will have similar keyboard accessories.

This is Microsoft Surface port:

I am also guessing if the Nexus 10 will have optically bonded display..
[Asus Transformer TF700] Divine_Madcat:
Realistically, I don't think this tablet is aimed at users on this particular forum.. ;)

However, as an HP Touchpad owner, i must say that this is exactly the drool worth tablet i have been waiting for. Yes, the 16GB (possibility) is a bummer.. but compared to the old specs i am using, the rest more than makes up for it. AS it is, in performance, this tablet should crush everything out there (including the TF700.. perhaps not crush, but soundly beat it), and with a solid update base, i think you will see people flocking to it..
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
It has Micro HDMI also. It's interesting they used a pogo pin connector. That could provide some additional connectivity options. If the 32GB (the minimum for a tablet really) is $499+ the N10 won't be flying off the shelves.
[Asus Transformer TF700] wctaylor79:
brief mobile posted supposed GLbenchmark and sun spider for nexus if anyone wants to check out..

http://briefmobile.com/nexus-10-receives-the-glbenchmark-and-sunspider-treatment
[Asus Transformer TF700] bradslinux:
Nice heads up....It's just a matter of time after the Nexus 10 is released that the yardsticks come out to see who's is bigger. er....faster HA!

Still no buyers remorse here on my my decision to purchase the TF700/Dock. A rockin package with CleanRom running like butter. The storage options alone make the Asus the winner in my book....then there is the battery, USB host... etc. What's not to like?

Asus created a feature set that will be tough as a comparison against other tablets. Is it perfect? No....I suspect that the Nexus 10 won't be either.

Brad
[Asus Transformer TF700] maxrdlf95:
Yes I dont know why they are like apple if this tablet would have MicroSD and a different design I would get it.. but skiping that it so danm fast

And that resolution OMG but I think do we really need that resolution on a tablet it's not enough with 1920x1200 xD

:silly:
[Asus Transformer TF700] 1stx2:
Definitely getting the n10.
[Asus Transformer TF700] thunderger:
If this tablet is true - I still don't believe! - and it will be sold for only a few bugs more than the chromebook, because of the high res display, very small package, etc., it will replace my TF700T, because it will be more dev friendly and don't have the need of proprietary accesoires like the TF700T, e.g. this crap connector without full USB functionality...
[Asus Transformer TF700] zenaxe:
Uh, no. Tf700 is pretty much a beast already. Why take a huge loss selling something that is still one of the best products on the market used and picking up another piece of tech brand new just because it has marginally better specs? That is a nice unit but hardly a world beater... it lacks expandability and storage for starters.

Need a brand new tablet? Definitely would consider it but everyone here already owns a pretty bad a** device and furthermore it is basically BRAND NEW, because this thing just came out like four months ago for Pete's sake, so even the guys here who preordered and got it on day one have not owned this $500 device for more than half a year.

Some of you serial upgraders need to get a grip, IMHO. I love android... but my fellow droid fans who flip phones and tablets every time something new comes out are playing a losing game.
[Asus Transformer TF700] htcplussony:
Well I'm wrong. They are selling it at Nexus prices.

I would sell my Asus tablet(Prime) except its no longer worth anything.

While the 10 lighter than the 3/4gen ipad, I think I'm probably moving to the ipad mini as due to the better display to weight ratio.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
Im totally getting the N10. It has a expandable storage, hdmi out, awesome display, waaay better support dev wise, dont need to void your warranty, faster, bigger better.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
It doesn't and that's going to be an issue. I get Google's obsession with the cloud but when you build a device with the best display on the planet and then limit it to 32GB of storage, of which proably 25-27GB will be available to the user, that kind of limits its use offline. Some of my 1080P MKV rips are 10+GB a piece. I can compress them but then what's the point of having such a high-res display? They should have at least offered a 64GB option for $599. It's expensive that way but at least people would have the option.
[Asus Transformer TF700] legendary1022:
I'm still thinking about the 32gb option. However the problem is we don't know what accessories if any are available foe this device. I love my keyboard dock and increases the functionality of the Infinity quite a bit. I need more information before jumping the shark however so my wallet is still in my pocket. The lack of expandable memory really does suck and has me questioning the Nexus 10 for my needs.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
my bad it doesn't but it does have the micro USB wich is a plus for me I know some of you guys aren't going to want to hook up an external hard drive but I will if I need to because I won't have that much memory consumption on my device all the time. it won't be for all but it definitely for me if you can deal with the lack of memory even though 32 gigabyte is quite a bit I'm buying the N10.
[Asus Transformer TF700] buhohitr:
I'm keeping my tf700 with dock and buy the N10. I want both for now and after using both for a while, I may ditch one if I don't like too much or maybe keep both. That's my plan. You want best of both world you just have to pay up! :))
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
You're going to make zenaxe's head explode. ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diogenes5:
Cool device. I was wondering why the hell the note 10.1 didn't have a fhd display. Apparently google bought them all. At any rate its a nice entry into the market that will help expand the available applications.

Not getting rid of my infinity just yet though. Knowing samsung an s-pen version with removable storage is just a few months away. When it does I'll buy that. Fhd without any storage space is a joke.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
yea for sure! Lol. That a spendy couple of devices. But on that note, I'm not a serial upgrader, im just not happy with the quality of this device or asus support. Where with the nexus10, it will be samsung and google, how can you beat that??? Amazing support from the community, pretty much instantaneous firmware upgrades and just an overall quality device. And 2 gigs of ram! C'mon!! Why did they not do this with the tf700?!
[Asus Transformer TF700] buhohitr:
Wait a min, Nexus 10 is only dual core?? what??
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
It's not a display issue, it's the SoC. Exynos Quad doesn't support FHD. There could also be a cost issue with an active digitizer being that fine.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
So....
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
The core count is less important than the design and architecture. It has 2/3 more memory bandwidth than Teg3. It's an A15 chip on a 32nm die.

Here's more detail...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6148/samsung-announces-a15malit604-based-exynos-5-dual
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
Totally agree.. The ram matters too. My phone is faster than my tf700.
[Asus Transformer TF700] zenaxe:
No worries.... my head is safe... my comments were friendly advice for others. ;)

Serial upgraders are the guys who's wallets are at risk. Six months from now, y'all will probably be preordering yet another device to go with your N10's. ;) I used to think Apple users were "sheep" for standing in line for a new phone year after year but they are starting to look like models of self control compared to some of the XDA android junkies.

You are right on target with your comments wrt Google and their gimping stuff to promote their cloud agenda, BTW. That is another big issue I have with the N10 and the next Nexus phone (I AM actively shopping for a new phone). Storage capacity is a critical thing for me personally and the TF700 with microSD + SD in the dock is a huge plus.

By the time I am seriously looking for another tab, I'll know whether Win8 is going to be a viable player in that market space for example.
[Asus Transformer TF700] htcplussony:
There's not much on the A15 core out there but you can read anandtech iphone 5 review to get an idea of the improvements one can do to make a core a generation ahead of the A9.
[Asus Transformer TF700] g1xx3r:
Agreed,my GS3 puts my Prime to shame..:good:
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
I think y'all stuck with your tf700's cause you voided your warranty are jelous ;) i kid i kid....
[Asus Transformer TF700] Maeltne:
I see the released specs (and cost) here: https://play.google.com/store/devic...dium=text&utm_campaign=sem_bk&utm_content=n10

My important points:

Good CPU/GPU: check

GPU appropriate for screen size: check (tf700 I hate you)

2g ram: check

Has USB: check

Has SD: nope?!

Has HDMI: check

Has keyboard: ????

Thus far the keyboard and SD card is going to make me wait until there is such things; or for the next ASUS.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
You can plug a keyboard into it, and there are lots of options for extra storage. It's just a matter of if you're willing to use the resources.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Divine_Madcat:
Do we know if it will support USB host/OTG?
[Asus Transformer TF700] Maeltne:
What keyboards? What do they use to communicate with the tablet?
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
Are you kidding??? Plug any usb keyboard
[Asus Transformer TF700] dknotty:
Am I right that the US pricing is $399 for the 32gb version?

That is very very compelling pricing.

Its quite easy to get additional space with one of these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=17GZXF5B29T1S80VP0ZF

Not the prettiest solution but it does work.

That having been said, not sure if I'll get the N10 or the TF700 & Dock. I'll wait for reviews and then decide.
[Asus Transformer TF700] legendary1022:
Any Bluetooth keyboard and mouse will work just fine with the Nexus 10 and any other android device for that matter.

And I'm sure OTG USB support will be in because that has been supported with android for quite some time as well.
[Asus Transformer TF700] RussellEstridge25:
No the 32gb is 499.00. But nice done on the expanded memory
[Asus Transformer TF700] Vertron:
Good idea. It would be great if you get a tiny micro usb version that's quite flat. It would solve the no sd card slot problem and make the 16gb version a viable option.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Jimmah555:
I returned my TF700T this morning. I was on day 28 of 30 for Best Buy's return policy. I had the dock as well. I noticed that near where the MicroSD card inserted into the tablet, it would squeak pretty loudly any time I pinched near it, or even pressed on the glass anywhere near it. This, along with performance disappointment, ultimately led me to return it this morning. I'm not even sure I'll replace it. I may use the money to buy some new hiking gear and get outdoors instead of sitting around with a tablet. It was an interesting piece of hardware, but they didn't put enough R&D into making it the best it could be. Enjoy your tablets guys and gals :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] flyfishing:
Killer RAM, 300 dpi screen, Google/Samsung combo. Seriously debating it. Might wait until the holiday season and see if the market for used TF700s is slightly better. As anyone who was waiting for the Nexus but had the TF700 is dumping it now. Tablet sales should be higher near Christmas. Still have my box and a pristine looking tablet.
[Asus Transformer TF700] dknotty:
Also just had a thought, the device is NFC... what about transferring files from an NFC phone to the tablet?

A phone like the S3 which is NFC as well.