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[Asus Transformer TF700] hit173:
Well since its been leaked and has crazy good specs, who is thinking of trading in their t tf700 for the New nexus?

Here is a link with pics and information

http://briefmobile.com/google-nexus-10-samsung-android-4-2
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Their server is overloaded. Here's the pics. I wonder if they're going to use the pogo pins for a keyboard accessory. For Asus' sake I hope not.
[Asus Transformer TF700] wctaylor79:
Initial thoughts were yes I would.. after thinking about it.. IDK. to many things I unsure of at this time. Waiting for the official announcement and pricing to see. Like the UI. Can we have the tablet UI still? Not a fan of the phone UI on a 10 incher. I don't think there is, but HDMI out? I use that all the time. Also the 700 I think looks better, BUT having a Nexus tablet is a big piece making me lean the other way.. of course IMO. :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] lesonal:
Nope Asus is good with updates I'll keep my tf700
[Asus Transformer TF700] aydc:
Unless google changes its policy of not letting Nexus devices have sdcards or 64GB internal storage, I'll pass. When are those idiots going to realize that these are media consumption devices?
[Asus Transformer TF700] g1xx3r:
As a Prime TF201 owner Ive been waiting to see what this tab was going to bring for a while.Almost pulled the trigger a few times for the TF700t but resisted the urge and let patience be my guide.After getting a Galaxy S3 about a month ago,I was blown away by how much smoother overall it is over my prime..Web browsing,phone browsing,app launching etc runs circles around my Prime.I was hoping to see 2gb of ram on this and they have delivered..Hopefully its priced @ $500 or less...Im in!!!
[Asus Transformer TF700] spillner:
Not gonna jump ship. First if it has the same UI as the N7 that'll just look silly on a N10 IMO. Second, if it doesn't have any ports other than a micro USB then its lost a ton of useful functions when compared to the Infinity.

This really needs to wow me. The only attractive thing about the N7 is its price and OS updates, but for me I need function and the N7 doesn't have it and it looks like the N10 will be the same. I'm willing to spend extra for functions. That being said, if they price this below $400 you are looking at an absolute steal and since most people use tablets for internet browsing/movies/gaming then buying this is a no brainer.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Echo237:
It does not meet my expectation design-wise....specs are amazing 300 ppi would be awesome!!!
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
You are supposed to stream all media from "the cloud" - no need for local storage.

But yes, a device without external storage sucks.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
The orientation issue was fixed in 4.1.2. You can't tell by the lockscreen what the 4.2 UI is going to look like or what features it will add.

"However, Google Nexus 7 owners will be happy to know it also enables landscape orientation to both the homescreen and lockscreen."

http://www.gsmarena.com/google_rele...he_nexus_7_brings_minor_updates-news-4923.php
[Asus Transformer TF700] pierrekid:
Hell no. Since the JB update this tab is perfect, havent had a single issue so far. On top of that i need the dock for school and typing. I see absolutely NO reason to change tabs less then a couple months after getting this amazing infinity!

Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
[Asus Transformer TF700] hit173:
And this is google so everything would come out first for the nexus 10.
[Asus Transformer TF700] spillner:
Its not so much the screen orientation, its the overall look. My GN looks great but its a phone and the soft keys are in a perfect spot. On a 10" display the soft keys will be located in the center which makes reaching them a pain, especially in landscape. The stock tablet UI that almost every Android tablet has used (except for the Kindle Fire) works very well. The controls are always where your thumbs are naturally and I'm not sure why Google has deviated from that design.
[Asus Transformer TF700] timrock:
no option for a memory card=no buy.

might as well get an ipad

But if it does have card slot (has this been confirmed?) and can match the screen resolution of the Inifinity, i might consider it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Assuming the components are equal or better than what Samsung used in the Note here's a list.

- A more modern and efficient CPU with 2/3 more memory bandwidth

- A GPU that's equal to the PowerVX used in the iPad

- 5GHz Wi-Fi with channel bonding that doubles throughput on routers that support it

- BT 4.0 with aptX

- USB 3.0

- A Samsung (vs. HannStar) sourced display with greater resolution

- Samsung RAM, NAND, and Exynos 5 has a dedicated IO controller

- Updates directly from Google as they're released

- Warranty support from Samsung

- A bootloader that's unlockable without voiding your warranty

- Huge dev support

I agree with you about not changing out a device you're happy with but going forward people that don't need the keyboard, expandable storage, or the extra battery life would be silly not to get a N10 at the same price or most likely less than the TF700. The price is rumored to be $399 for 32GB. If I didn't need/want the S-Pen and 3G my Note would be on CL.

Here’s a link detailing the Exynos 5250 and Mali T604

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6148/samsung-announces-a15malit604-based-exynos-5-dual
[Asus Transformer TF700] allan1313:
Besides the screen this tablet is not a TF700T killer. I am happy with my infinty and JB. The only thing that would make me even think about it at this point is that it is a Nexus not tied to a carrier, so the updates will come fast.

But my infinity with CleanRom is running killer right now.
[Asus Transformer TF700] spillner:
I too am running CleanRom and it has made my Infinity a beast. No need to buy an N10, I'm real happy with my Infinity.
[Asus Transformer TF700] wolfman87:
There should be an array of storage size options starting at 16GB. IDK if they will hit 64, but I'm sure at least 32. They're all about streaming. Also it has microUSB, so you can always use a small external HD for things that take up so much space.

MiniHDMI out :)

MiniHDMI

Yea, I agree - I don't think that google is (in the short term) going to really make streaming content from them THAT attractive. It's too ambitious to bottom out storage options at this point. Maybe in a few years when things are better connected within their own ecosystem.

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If the price is <=$400 I'd actually highly consider selling my Infinity + keyboard + extended warranty (including drops). I don't find myself using the keyboard as much as I had thought.

I do think that the specs are a LOT better, and since it's a Nexus device I'm not worried about Samsung not sending out updates.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Here's the ports. There's no expandable storage.
[Asus Transformer TF700] spillner:
I see now that it has miniHDMI out which is good. I'd have to play with it before making any sort of decision. I still prefer the Infinity though, it just has more options.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Actually, probably the biggest reason that Samsung outsells Asus is because Samsung does a *lot* of television advertising - Asus does *NONE* (at least I've *never* seen a television ad for any of the Transformers). Never quite understood that. 95%+ of the people that actually see my Transformer in action absolutely love it - and have also never heard of it before! They are blown away when I pop the screen off of my "very small laptop"! :)

My only conclusion is that Asus is either satisfied with the amount of sales they have or are simply unable to handle even more sales. I'd be willing to bet that Asus could double their Transformer sales if they aggressively advertised the Transformer devices...
[Asus Transformer TF700] mike216:
Very true. Look how good Motorola did from there DROID series. It's complete crap and people went for the marketing
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
Actually I'm thinking Asus is more well known for their pain in the ass motherboards.

I remember my first P5T or P6T or something like that.

Like an idiot I bought one of their first AMD boards...what friggin' nightmare that thing was!

Me main PC is built on the Sabertooth 990X board...semi stable so far.

Aliens must have took over my brain because I thought I swore off Asus mom-boards eons ago.

Now I have the "flagship tablet" and one of their hotter AMD mobos + some other Asus peripherals...

Maybe dementia is setting in...

...here take my money :eek:
[Asus Transformer TF700] newellj79:
I've been keeping up on all the nexus 10 forums because I think I'm making the switch. My two cents..... I'm am so happy the they did not go with aluminum which seems to be the trend. I've had 3 primes and 2 infinities and now hate the aluminum. Yes, it looks good for about a week. Aluminum is a very soft metal that scratches and dents extremely easy. I think the "rubbery" back on the nexus 10 is going to be awesome!
[Asus Transformer TF700] skipped:
I took this table from cnet:
[Asus Transformer TF700] HoushaSen:
More from Samsung?

http://www.ameinfo.com/samsung-release-android-windows-8-tablet-317365

Whether what it really means uncertain as Samsung already had announced Ativ Smart Pro, Ativ Smart PC, Nexus 10 BUT it is possible that they could even release more options. I don't understand business model, but assuming Nexus devices are essentially google's device i.e. Samsung is not making true revenue off of the device? If so, Samsung can still release Android tablet device that have several missing features on Nexus 10 i.e. S pen support, MicroSD etc.

I have already decided to not jump to Nexus 10 given incomplete superiority. But next Samsung Tablet can be the one I am looking for, or perhaps Windows Surface Pro if Haswell chip is used. So just be aware these potentials before jumping on to Nexus 10 especially if you don't get 1 month return policy.
[Asus Transformer TF700] psych2l:
Samsung is making money off the device, it's just that samsung would rather you buy one of their galaxy tabs and get you hooked on their specific android skin and additions such as S-Pen functionality. This is so your next tablet purchase will likely be another samsung, because there is no guarantee the next Nexus 10 will be made by them.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
True. Remember, Google's the one selling Nexus devices and they pay for all the advertising, promotion, and distribution costs which manufacturers normally pay for themselves. I'd also guess they pay whoever builds a Nexus for them "X" per unit and they commit to "X" quantity which takes some of the sales and production risk away. So Asus and Samsung make less on the tablets they build for Google but they spend less making them because a lot of overhead is removed. In establishing pricing (and margin) there's also a big difference between Google and Asus/Samsung. Like Amazon, Google's going to make additional revenue on the back end from content sales. So they can give up almost all their upfront profit on the sale of the device based on what they project to receive from content over the device's life.

Here's an interesting Q&A with the business development guy at Google talking about the Nexus program.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/android-nexus-strategy/
[Asus Transformer TF700] thebrian101:
I've always been wanting to go back to the android platform. I guess news my chance to snag the nexus 10.
[Asus Transformer TF700] mike216:
Engadget summed it up
[Asus Transformer TF700] HoushaSen:
Another review,

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...ometimes-its-possible-to-have-too-many-pixels

The contrast ratio on Nexus 10 is 740, Infinity is 1241 with IPS+ on. Though I am not sure if I complete agree as contrast ratio (resolution) is not as clear comparison as the spatial resolution i.e. pixel densities. Just another review pointing, Nexus 10 is great device but not complete superior.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
You realize that's not a "review;" it's a review of other reviewers "reviews."

"The hands-on reviews of the Nexus 10 are in..."

"While it’s too early to be conclusive, the first set of reviewer benchmarks..."​

And why the writer of the article would pick one very specific test (offscreen triangle textures) to highlight is curious.

This is a more interesting comparison, don't you think? And the iPad3's on both comparisons showing the same score so you can assume the test is representative.
[Asus Transformer TF700] HoushaSen:
I believe FPS is more of a measure for CPU/GPU processiong power. Resolutions (contrast and spatial) are more of screen itself though you do need CPU/GPU to support it. This to me translates to FPS = dynamic images i.e. gaming vs. static images = resolutions.

It is no doubt CPU/GPU overall combo power is superior on Nexus 10 (despite CPU score being inferior), but that does not directly equates to better resolution. So the review/reviewer's review? I posted above simply pointed potential of contrast resolution comparison.

Now having said this, I am not certain how much the difference in contrast resolution affects real life experience. I just wanted to basically throw in another potential fact/number that nexus 10 may not be completely superior to the infinity.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diogenes5:
S4 and the new Exnyos phones have better GPU's than the tegra. Even phones from last year have better GPU's. So if you want to game, infinity is not necessarily the best even though most developers develop for the lowest spec phone and the infinity is far from that. However, I don't care so much about GPU performance as I don't game much if at all. I care mainly about application performance which is CPU-bound.

I find contrast makes a huge difference. I prefer my infinity to my gf's ipad3 when doing most activities even though the ipad3 has better color gamut. For reading it's everything. Most heavy movie-watchers prefer higher contrast I believe and I agree with them.
[Asus Transformer TF700] yumms:
Some very bizzar posts in this thread, people actually believing reviewers. Did you know not learn a thing from the Prime fiasco?
[Asus Transformer TF700] htcplussony:
Why talk about the ipad 3 when its a discontinued product when the ipad 4 is already here and Anandtech even bench its gpu too. But they took out Transformer results on its graphs though.

yumms, those reviewers really bombed on the Prime.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Funny you should mention that. This same "which should I get" debate is going on in the Note forum. There are three sites I trust from an analysis and benchmarking perspective: AnandTech, GSMArena, and Swedroid. They all use very thorough standardized tests and have engineers on their staff. After reading some of Anand's commentary I'm less enthused about the N10's performance and it plays to what you said about CPU vs. GPU. Here's something I posted in the Note forum that applies to the TF700 also, especially CleanRom users...

Based on specs and early info I assumed the N10 would blow the Note away. As more details have come out I'm not so sure.

The Display

It's got tons of pixels but Anand's preliminary testing of it shows it not to be very bright nor to have contrast as good as existing tablets. Something to check-out in person and to consider based on how it's going to be used.

The CPU/GPU

The N10 does pretty poorly compared to the Note on CPU benchmarks. One of Anand's theories is that a portion of memory bandwidth is hard partitioned to serve the needs of the high resolution display. He also thinks the 5250 in the N10 is throttled to conserve battery life because it performs better in the new Samsung Chrome Book. The GPU is significanlty better than the Note's. So if someone's a big gamer the better GPU wins out over the CPU. Video playback doesn't really strain the GPU in any of the newer high-end devices (except maybe the TF700 because its FHD display is at Teg3's max threshold). For everyday tasks the Note may be a faster and more fluid device once loaded up with all the crap we install on our tablets because its CPU seems to perform better than the N10's. I think the performance of the N10 will be improved greatly once the devs tweak 4.2 for the h/w. But I think for the devs to get the performance gains their looking for battery life is going to suck miserably. And benchmarks are comparing an ICS Note to a JB N10. I'd expect the performance differences to be even more pronounced once the Note's on JB.

SunSpider (Lower is Better)

1194 - Note 10.1

1384 - N10

2101 - TF700 (ICS)

BrowserMark (Higher is Better)

162657 - Note 10.1

139551 - N10

118375 - TF700 (ICS)​

Overall Experience

The Note's more complete with a lot of Samsung value-add features integrated in to the OS. That's either a good thing or a bad thing depending on your point of view. Multiview, S-Pen, and the wicked fast browser are things I wouldn't personally want to give up or have to resort to hacks to get back.

Happy deciding. ;)​
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diogenes5:
I posted in the Clean Rom thread my benchmarks. Without data2sd, I get about 900 in sunspider and about 160k in Browsermark. With data2sd it's a little faster. This is competitive with the note 10.1.

I think the N10 is definitely hampered by lack of optimization right now IMO. Once developers get their hands on it, it should be able to fly. The Infinity had a lot of the same issues because of its high-res screen but cleanrom cleaned it up so to speak.

I'm just disappointed in the screen. I had read that Samsung's PLS screen only had 500:1 contrast. I was wishing it wasn't true. I think 2560x1600 is complete overkill for 10 inches.

1) There is no media content at that resolution.

2) Samsung's PLS LCD technology does not seem that mature. Average color gamut and way below average contrast.

3) Huge battery drain as we already know from the infinity. More pixels = more power usage.

They wanted to engage the ipad in an arms race but a focus only on pixels is really stupid. It's like DPI on mice. It's such a totally stupid metric once you reach a certain level.

Performance you can change with better roms. Bad screens you can't :/
[Asus Transformer TF700] mike216:
I care about GPU performance. I heard many touting the 12 core GPU found in tegra 3 devices,this should make it a gaming beast!

I think the hardware is great but the code is holding performance back? What do I know I'm just an android enthusiasts/machine mechanic
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
Just to put that in perspective: NVidia's current desktop GPU (GK104) has 1536 cores, and most desktop monitors have fewer pixels than the TF700.
[Asus Transformer TF700] newellj79:
Ha... nice!
[Asus Transformer TF700] Varekai:
I have till the seventeenth to return mine to amazon, it reset when I returned it originally for the loose screen. Starting 2 weeks ago this ones screen started to become loose, and it's spread to about half of the left side of the tablet. I really like the look of the nexus 10, the more oval shape, and I love the front facing speakers. I also think it will be mroe durable being made of plastic. My infinity's aluminum casing bent near the charging port when I missed plugging it in at night, and it's not like I rammed it in there. I really don't care about the resolution on the nexus, and the memory is disappointing, however the colors and brightness aren't getting that good of a review. So I think I will wait until wednesday, by then more reviews will be out, and make my decision. And hey, if I really dislike the nexus, then I can return it and stick with the Infinity. Really on the fence. My fiance got it for me for my birthday, and she likes the nexus better as well.
[Asus Transformer TF700] dmoney94:
???????

Do you guys really think Google is going to make a Tablet at the end of 2012 and the Asus Tf700 will be better than it?

Wouldn't Google have just get Asus TF700 and re-brand it and call it Nexus 10.

Someone explain this to me....

PS:

Reason why i return my TF700

1-Bluetooth

2-Game Flickering

3-Google play store most games are not compatible with the TF700

4-Lack of Official Accessories from Asus
[Asus Transformer TF700] Strga:
http://www.engadget.com/comments/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/?icid=eng__comments

See the end of the article.

For me, the only adventage of n10 is the possibility of avoiding the i/o issues.

Also the two speakers, but you won't have the sd card expansion.

If you can return your device, ok, later you can decide. But sell the TF700 to get a n10 is not worth.
[Asus Transformer TF700] TechXero:
Ok, I love this thread ....

I currently own the HTC One X ... With S-Off ... Running Ice Cold Jelly AOKP ROM ... And with that it's a beast on its own ... The only thing making my experience with it a nightmare is battery life ... Seems on JB based ROMs there is a huge drain issue .. Besides that it's great ! That said I was considering the Infinity Tab .... But after reading some of the comments about it stating that it's slow am seriously confused ... One minute it's a beast the other it's a disappointing experience !!!!

I live in the Middle East, Lebanon to be exact and the Infinity tab does not exist here so I have to order it from New Egg through a 3rd party service which brings the 32gb model to $620 and 64gb one to $730 ... As for the Nexus 10, well $650 ... What I hate about my One X is the lack of SDcard slot, and it seems N10 too lacks that very essential thing .. Plus the Infinity has an 8mbp cam whereas the N10 5mbp ... That's how I weigh devices I want to buy .... And am not the kind that has enough $$$ to buy all the accessories to get what I want !

So here's how I see it ... Infinity = better cam, more storage, great resolution and AMAZING Screen Tech ... Transformer has the same tech as the daddy of them all, the iPad , both sport a RGBW screen tech, W for white, meaning it'll let out more light from the lamp , without draining the battery by lighting up R and G and B to the fullest to be able to do so, which by comparison is what the N10 does coz it has essentially an RGB screen , meaning in order to be bright it's burning battery up AND pictures are saturated to over the limit just to push screen brightness ...

So to sum it all up, most of the N10 adopters are only getting it because it's the new kid on the block, not really looking at what's under the hood ... Hence why I will be sticking on buying the Infinity just coz it's a very well balanced device ...

For more read this :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=33647273

Oh and this will be my very first tablet never had one or handled one before ;)

Am I wrong ?
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Yeah, I think that about sums it up! Plus, the Infinity has an *awesome* keyboard dock to boot...

Only problem is the Quality Control of the Infinity - with you living so far away, it could be a real hassle if you need to exchange it. Otherwise, I would agree that the Infinity is a better solution....
[Asus Transformer TF700] TechXero:
Don't care bout quality control we never had that on anything to boot so am used to it! Just in case it's faulty would sell it n get something else! Infinity is by far better than overkill with lack of options N10 ;)

Plus it's an ASUS for God sake! Nough said ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] newellj79:
Having owned 3 tf200's and 2 tf700's, "it's a ASUS" to me means crap quality.
[Asus Transformer TF700] TechXero:
Might just have been your luck coz from what I have read n I did read for hours ASUS pads have had nothing but good reviews! Plus I own 2 ASUS PCs and a laptop 3 to 4 years old n still going strong! Also ASUS GPUs n Motherboards are top rated...
[Asus Transformer TF700] mike216:
+1 I think some are just stupid and have no idea what there talking about. My tablet has insane build quality. It's not at all flexible and is made from amazing materials. It's blazing fast with PA running on it. Yes it has some hiccups but will be ironed out here soon. Some folks are just dumb fan boy's who don't know there ass from a hole in the ground.