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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] PlayStation:
This thread is very helpful. Its a pity I had not come across it before as I made intensive research on the Ativ devices. I am torn between the Note 10.1 and the Smart PC. However, I also happen to own the Original Note and I was thinking it might not make much sense having several Android devices with almost similar functionality save for the screen size.

I am also looking to do productive work and hence the MS Office suite is very important to me. I have thus been leaning towards the Ativ device. But.... I have had several issues that can only be resolved by someone who has used both the 10.1 and the Ativ.

1. Does the Ativ allow for split screen?

I am starting studies in a months time where I will be doing lots of reading especially in pdf format and possibly internet and also taking notes. What I have in mind here with the split screen is for example is it possible to open say a pdf document on one side and say OneNote/S Note alongside the pdf so that I can say read the pdf and jot some notes down on the s note? I think this is possible with the advertised Note 10.1 multi screen.... Someone please check this out with the Ativ.

2. This question flows from 1 above.....

Can you split the screen with the Ativ at say 50/50 or its only small column that is available for the second open program. In other words can one resize the split screens depending on the need/user or the nature of the 2 open apps?

3. Is Pen input available for all apps/websites or only for select apps

Here I have in mind the HTC flyer that allows you to annotate/underline/mark variosu programmes including websites with the pen input. I wonder whether the pen works with all open programmes with the Ativ.

4. Any Phone Functions with the 3G version (Fat chance of course)

I know the answer is no but who knows... After all the original Galaxy Tab 10.1 is now capable of making phone calls thanks to xda experts :D

Please favour a brother with answers to these questions to assist with this very sensitive decision between the Note 10.1 and the Ativ Smart PC...... :good:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Spectredroid:
Wow!!

The funny thing is, I am blown away that you have one. I want this, but can't find one anywhere. If you want to sell it, let me know. :p
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Many of us are in the same boat. We either already have the 10.1 and considering the Ativ as a replacement or an additional tablet. I hope that the thread is making it easier to decide between the 2 tablets.

If you use the Modern interface, you can dock two windows, but it does it in a way that one is squeezed into a small column on the left or right. This will be ideal if you are reading a pdf, web page, etc and want your e-mail open on the small window. However, if you switch to desktop mode, you can resize and dock any window you like. It's a full Windows OS, so you are free to have 2 windows side by side (50/50) or arrange 4 of them in each corner etc etc). In this aspect, ATIV is superior to Note 10.1's multiview.

See above.

Pen input is available for any program that supports it. For instance, you can annotate pdf files using Acrobat, and it works fine in Office applications (e.g., Word, OneNote, etc). You can't use it to write on websites unless you capture them as a picture or pdf. Pen enabled applications seem to be similar between Ativ and Note 10.1 (S-Note, Office vs. Polaris, Acrobat, etc).

As of now, there's no cellular radio option in the Ativ.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] inmnbob:
Does the 10.1 have GPS? I I just read that the ATIV doesn't but don't know that is a big deal. I imagine there is some way to determine your location for appropriate apps regardless.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
Just got off the phone with MS support. Eric, the tech, was very helpful. Unfortunately, this one seems to be stuck in the mud. We did find a way to reset the device (and all Windows 8 devices for that matter). Shut down the device. Press and hold the Power key. When the circular dots appear, press the power key again. Repeat. You are then taken to a screen where you can RESET (which we tried) - which resets everything, but keeps all of your files intact, or RESTORE - which wipes everything. The reset has not worked on my Ativ. Looks like I have to do a compete restore. I wish I knew what went wrong over night. It was working PERFECTLY. Sadly, I think I will return this one, and wait for new stock.

Okay, after a full reset, which took 1.5 hours, the device is working great again. I'm still not sure about it, since I don't know what happened in the first place. I will monitor it and see what happens.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] PlayStation:
Thank you for the comprehensive response. The more i read about this the more i am getting attracted to the Ativ. After all one can still run certain android apps from windows using BlueStacks.....

Please do me a favour and check how well bluestacks is working with the Ativ - http://bluestacks.com/app-player/

Thx.....:rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
I just got the Microsoft Wedge mobile keyboard. Unless samsung has a battery in the dock I am not even getting that and just going to plunk for the mouse.

The keyboard is incredible. I normally use a razer blackwidow and while it doesn't compare with the mechanical keys its easily as good as other laptop keyboards (I have a sony and 2 hps) and a LOT better than the apple bluetooth keyboard (which everyone at work seem to use).

The wedge itself is very interesting since it lets you prop up the tablet in either portrait or landscape. I am glad that the bluetooth can pair to different devices at the same time also.

I also ordered an AM pen for the Ativ. I normally use the spen holder kit from samsung but the lack of the eraser is bothering me now. Before (with the note 10.1) my writing was limited to longer meetings. But now I am using the pen a lot more and not having easy erase hurts. If only onenote desktop also had the circular menus or a floating toolbar :(

edit: I thought about it and I think the biggest thing I want the erase for is to fix mistakes so that the ink->text conversion is correct. Onenote's handwriting recognition has blown my mind and honestly there is no way I can live without it anymore!

Still our lab director was in my office to chat and was quite impressed by the ativ, though he certainly hated the width. I told him to try the Elitepad 900 (which I might try also in jan).

---------- Post added at 02:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:25 AM ----------

Not well at all, as in it won't launch successfully. But I tried it out on my desktop and it doesn't launch here either.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Yes not has GPS it has both AGPS and AGNOS or whatever it is called
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Just FYI there are a number of very good Start Button apps out there that seem to work quite well with W8 if you miss the Start Button. Just Google it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vladdie:
Thanks for the review.

Thanks tenderidol for this great summary of the Ativ Smart PC, just what I was looking for. I have already placed a preorder, though in the UK it is a lot more expensive for some reason (things usually are) at £663 (inc keyboard) that is a lot more than I have seen some of you in the US pay for it ($600!!! I feel robbed).

I have a question, do you have any games that you could test? I plan to play old or not demanding games, mostly point and click adventure games, indie games, things like Worms and games from GOG, do you have anything like that you could test, if not do you think they would run okay? I saw someone mentioned FFXI which ran, albiet poorly, it ran so I'm guessing the kinds of games I want to play on it when I'm travelling will run OK. I have no plans to play modern, demanding games on it as I built a i7 PC for that.

Again thank you for this thread, perfect find for me!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] gaetanolip:
Hi,

Does it have nfc and SD card slot?

About video HD playback, it should be cabable to play movies HD 1080p at 40 mbit 4.1 high profile (because already the previous gpu, the power gsx 540 could). But to do that you have enable hardware acceleration for gpu ( gsx 545 renamed intel GMA3600 ) ; here is a video about enabling hardware accelaration for a netbook with the same gpu http://www.eeepc.it/video-guida-filmati-1080p-eee-pc-cedar-trail/

Anyone can try to follow the tutorialand then to play http://www.auby.no/files/video_tests/h264_1080p_hp_4.1_40mbps_birds.mkv ( download first the file otherwise you ll stream it)? Ensure that DVXA is enabled, otherwise you ll have choppy video....

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vladdie:
I have another question if I may, what resolution does it go up to when you plug it into a TV. Can it go up to 1920x1080 on the TV like the Surface RT can or is it stuck at 1366x720 on it too?

Thanks again.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I disabled hibernation and happy to report that there's no significant loss of battery power overnight, and the stylus is ready to use after an "instant on" in the morning.

At the moment, my only concern with the Ativ is the size (the width in particular). For 20% of the time that I use it for content generation, it's great; for the remaining 80% of the time that I'm using it for content consumption, it's little too wide. I'm hoping that there will be a slim case available from Samsung, soon, and unfortunately, that will add little bit more to the overall dimensions. Note 10.1 is perfect in this regard. Decisions, decisions!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] liquidgraphite:
Good to hear that connected standby works as advertised. Good job, Intel.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
600 is without the keyboard. Its $750 with keyboard from Amazon.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Spectredroid:
Like I said, if you want to sell it let me know. I would buy it today. :thumbup:

Sent from my unlocked S3. Hello Verizon! How's the weather on Uranus?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] NoTrix:
I really enjoy the size of the device, though typing on the virtual keyboard can be challenging. I hope the keyboard dock is in stock soon. I bought a genuine leather slip case built for a MacBook Pro on AMZ for $36 in anticipation of getting the dock. The slip case is for the 11.6 inch MacBook Pro.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] squeeze:
11" MBA slip cases and envelopes work great. I can literally place my 'Tiv on top and the dimensions line up perfectly.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] noxxle:
Anyone willing to test a couple legacy games and report back? How about civilization 3 and fallout 2. Please run FRAPS in the background to get a good idea of the frame rate.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vladdie:
I would really appreciate this as I too plan to play some old games on it and would love to see how they run.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] inmnbob:
I decided to cancel one I had on order. The post above which discussed content development vs delivery made a great point. I may have to think about my decision again. I Clearly would go with the ATIVA if I buy a Windows tablet. The question is do I really need it when the android platform of my 10.1 and s3 really do provide all the content delivery I need.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Seems like Samsung is trying to bring some of the features from Note 10.1 to Ativ. Samsung's Software Update received an "update" today and inside there was an app called "Mini S Note". As you would guess, this is the clone of the floating S Note on the Note 10.1. Once launched, it shows up on top of all windows and stays that way until closed (you can't resize, maximize or minimize it). The notes that you create/save through Mini S Note goes into a separate folder under S-Note ("Mini S Note"). Although, the performance of the floating or the full S Note is the same on the Note 10.1., there's a noticeable lag in Mini S Note app on the Ativ. I can finish writing a word, lift the stylus and watch the program catch up with the writing. The main S Note app works fine in the Ativ, though.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] anonxlg:
it's been over a week and there still hasnt been any reviews from any tech sites so far

googling ativ series 5 review gives this thread as first result still

that's kinda sad, i'm still waiting for some indepth reviews on *any* of the atom based w8 tablets

sigh
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
As it was mentioned somewhere else, I think Samsung had only a handful of units available for the Windows 8 launch. Neither Series 5 nor Series 7 are available anywhere, and when they were, the retailers had a very limited stock. My guess is that we'll see a "proper" launch with tech site reviews, increased availability, etc. later. This was just a "teaser" :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Nebell:
Well, there is an online store here in Sweden with 100+ available units for sale.

I want the Pro version, but that one isn't available until at least 26th of November :/

I went through 17 pages, and there has barely been any talk about games.

Yes I know this tablet is using a gpu from 2010 and the main focus is writing and surfing, but I'm a gamer at heart and I can't surf for few hours every day while on train.

Can someone install older games (Fallout 2, Heroes of Might & Magic 3, Minecraft, etc) and report the results?

Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] VTEChump:
Link to site? Do they ship to USA?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] ggoldfingerd:
The specs seem to be incomplete on some websites. Samsung's for example is missing the rear camera and lists gigabit plan (not sure why this is even listed as there is no RJ45 jack. I cannot find if NFC comes standard. The user manual lists it as optional.

I wish Samsung was as specific as Asus. Look at the Asus Vivo Tab page. It is very detailed and lists everything such as all of the sensors that is onboard.

The reason why I'm so carious about the specs is that I'm split between 500T and the Asus Vivo Tab. Both share many of the same features. They also have a few unique features and are priced within $50.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
My version of the Ativ supposedly doesn't have NFC.. except it does. The biggest concern I have over the Ativ is that the keyboard dock isn't supposed to have an additional battery. But battery life is good enough that I don't worry about it honestly.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] dude6595:
Yeah link please....I'm tired of looking for one of these!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] AdventureCat:
Hi Tenderidol!

Regarding pen input, I'm intending to use the device for Paint Tool SAI but had bad experiences with the digitizers on older generation Wacom-penabled windows tablet PCs, mostly due to the fact that the lines I draw when zoomed out end up jagged and unusable when zoomed in. Out of the many drawing programs you tested out on the samsung series 5, have you noticed this problem (if SAI was ever on the list)?

Thanks!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I've used the pen with Samsung's built-in S-Note application and with Microsoft OneNote. In both of those programs, it works great. No jagged drawing, broken lines, etc. regardless of the zoom level. I haven't tried it with SAI, but I don't foresee any problems with it, since the digitizer works great with other programs.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Nebell:
How does Atom deal with web browsing? Is it smooth? What about YouTube videos? Can you run them full screen without any lag/problems?

The reason I hate web browsing with my HTC One X is because it is so damn hard to watch videos on Youtube.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] bobbytkc:
Hey guys, I bought the Samsung Ativ, and have been using it for 2 days. There hasn't been much coverage of the device, so I thought I would make a quick look video for those of you who are interested. If you have any questions on the device in general, please feel free to ask and leave a comment on the video, but please don't ask me to perform any benchmarks and such, I am just not very interested in those kinds of things.

Apparently, I can't post links, but you can just do a search. The title is "Samsung Ativ Smart PC 500T1C Quick Look"
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Nebell:
Meh, seriously, there's 18 pages here and 16 on tabletpcreview about the damn pen.

There's a lot of videos showing what it looks like.

What's the point of another" here's a micro hdmi connector, here a power button, here's the pen", etc.

So many of you have it but no one is able to tell how well it performs when it comes to light gaming.

I want to know how future proof it is. And that means knowing how well that cpu and gpu perform and what are its limits. I don't want to sell after a year just because it's not able to run 2013 programs.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
I don't know what light gaming is for you but for real games its not a good solution. The processing capability isn't there. If you want to play ipad like games I guess it should be fine(ish). But you can't play SC2 or Skyrim on this. Not that I have ever played a real game on any laptop, none of them are fast enough imo.

Also its not future proof at all. In Q2 2013 Haswell will be available in a TDP that can work for fanless tablets (or very close to it). In Q4 Valleyview will be available, and that will blow clovertrail out of the water at an even lower thermal envelope. If you want to play games and don't want to be outdated in a year, wait for Surface Pro or transformer book.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vladdie:
Do you think this Clover Trail tablet could run the new Broken Sword game for instance? I would hope it could because it is also coming out on Android and iOS. I think light gaming means more stuff like that and games from 6 + years ago, obviously no one is buying this to play Skyrim or CPU intensive games like SC2.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Nebell:
Yes, I was thinking games that came out before 2005, nothing complicated just something that can keep me busy while I'm on the train, etc.

Maybe new games like Minecraft, Project Zomboid, those that look like old games.

Surfing the net gets boring after a while, and I'm not very good at drawing.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
As I mentioned in one of the earlier posts, it streams 1080p youtube videos perfectly fine full screen. No lag or problems. I kept the browser open with about 10 tabs open and there were no issues. Web browsing is smooth as well. The only time I've seen a slight lag was with a page with tons of flash based banner ads.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Nebell:
Cheers. Can you do me one last favor? :)

Look at this website and tell me if you see any lag while scrolling http://www.aftonbladet.se/ (it kills my HTC One X).

Thanks!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] darksoldier360:
Ativ NFC Hack

Hi All. I too purchased one of these tablets on launch day, and, like most was frustrated by the lack of information available on the device. In an effort to find out more about what is or isnt in the device i took mine appart. In so doing I discovered that the device is missing the NFC antenna, but has the chip. All thats needed is an antenna. I took pictures and posted directions on the hack at my blog. I can't post links yet, so search google for thecloudbulderblog ativ and you'll find it.

Any further questions, don't hesitate to ask. I've had a transformer prime, nexus 7, kindle fire, kindle fire hd, and an ipad and this is the most functional tablet ive ever owned. In large part due to the insane battery life (for an intel tablet) and the pen (for rdp and desktop apps).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deth667:
I was wondering is it posible to change System partition size without a hd toolkit

mybe from magldr or runing some kinde of .zip ?

if u want to know why i think my cable is broken and it will take some time to by a new one
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] doriean:
Ok so heres the good news. After hours of trying to figure this out, I can confirm that the sixaxis ps3 controller does work

with the kindle fire hd.

So here's what you'll need..

Must have root...Theres no other way.

Apps... Sixaxis Compatibility Checker - This will let you know if your device is compatible. - Free in the play store.

Sixaxis Controller $1.99 in the playstore. - But remember google is your friend.

You will also need one program for your computer

Sixaxis pair tool. - This Is used to change the master numbers on your ps3 controller.

So Far Games That i know work are all emulators and roms and the following big hits.

Gta 3

Shadowgun

Modern Combat 3

If you have any questions feel free to ask...
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] spliter200:
how did you configure it for modern combat 3???

can you show steps
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] cyberhornet:
Steps and pc driver link?

I tried to get it to work yesterday but I couldn't get the pair tool to recognize the contoller via usb. It kept giving me a driver error. Can you provide me with a link to a Windows 7 controller driver and maybe some steps on how you got it to work?
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] ItsHumf:
Going to try this out, looks pretty simple but I can already see myself having troubles. Thanks for the tutorial mate!
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] shadow_lonely:
Can you Upload Modern Combat 3 for Kindle Fire HD? Thanks!
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] HippoLOL:
Thanks for this tutorial. :)
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] esema1o:
nice work man now i can play my n64
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] Warren87:
great share!thank you.
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] esema1o:
this work with my t989 phone 2 thanks bro :):eek:
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] willieboya:
Is this using otg or by?

Edit I meant is this using otg cable or bluetooth
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] prokennexusa:
Follow Up - Feedback

doriean,

Very nice tutorial, thank you for being a part of the XDA Community! Since you do development work on your

Kindle get it backup! We just launched a new Backup and Recovery package here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2096888
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] Katalystik:
I can confirm this does work, if you are using KFHD 7" theres no need for the compatibility tool, it does work. However I've noticed that it only works with games configured to work with a gamepad. Touch emulation does not work it seems so games like MC4 don't work.
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] prokennexusa:
Sixaxis Touch Emulation - Information Kindle Fire HD 7"

Katalystik,

My opinion only.

I believe that all controllers should be tested using the Compatibility Checker due to known issues around certain

applications and controllers. Sixaxis designed the compatibility checker for a good reason - it solves many headaches

since it intelligently displays what applications are going to conflict with the controller being tested. Touch Emulation

is a known issue, our Team is working with Sixaxis to solve the problem. If you would like to monitor or join the

thread here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2077341 - we will post the solution to the XDA

Community once we have an answer.:good:
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] Katalystik:
In retrospect, I agree, this is true.

As for the thread, I've seen it, was waiting for a solution or a reply from dancing pixels at least. :)
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] prokennexusa:
How to Add an External Controller - Bluetooth

willieboya,

The interface is Bluetooth.
[7" Kindle Fire HD General] willieboya:
damn lol. I have a kindle fire second gen so this wis no use to me :(
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