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[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] nappent:
I know when my Asus tf101 was getting ICS, Asus posted about waiting for approval from Google to meet certain standards. That may or may not be factor we need to consider... If it is, just think about all of the phones and tablets out there working on official release and waiting for Google to give the "ok".... It could be a simple bottle neck situation since I'm sure Google is doing this to trying to improve the overall quality of the Android environment.... Again this is assuming Google is doing this for all upgrading devices.

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Ok I did a little digging and Google does have a " compatibility certification" process. So there is another factor in the mix that likely slows things down: http://source.android.com/faqs.html#what-does-compatibility-mean
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Apocalypse487:
Apple Maps is a good example of why a product should not be released too soon.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] captican:
With AT&T and Samsung, it could be forever...I remember being told about updates when I bought my Captivate...one month turned into three which became six which became...long story short I had jb on my captivate while AT&T was updating Froyo to 2.3.7...thank goodness for the developers at XDA!

(On a related note, I do not find jb to be "buggy" but I do enjoy not having AT&T bloatware on my phone)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] DarthDerron:
What if they plan on holding the update so they can give us 4.2 instead? Did anyone think of that?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] HRodMusic:
hahah att would never in their life do that lol
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dayv:
If AT&T releases a 4.2 update for the GS3 it won't be before q4 2013.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Heisenberg420:
How could anyone regret choosing the gs3. Yes the updates are slow but that's on at&t. Sprint has already been updated, and in less than 24 hours it was ported for us. We having AMAZING dev support. Of all the android devices i've owned the gs3 has the best dev support by far. Im currenty running drews stock milestone 7 and its near perfect. And you can be sure than when 4.2 drops we'll have aosp ROMS to choose from within weeks.

Just be grateful that Samsung did an amazing job with touchwiz (not crap like motoblur), and doesn't lock their bootloaders.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] leezrd:
I can't stand blur but sense is worse...I would say captivate had best development and still great development... If only had feel of cappy
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] MikeCriggs:
This is why people should use AOKP...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] leezrd:
I agree that is whyI kept aokp on my cappy for jellybean. Best roms imho
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Deoxlar:
I love how the bootloader is unlocked. It's just nice to flash any rom I want out of the box, I could care less for the stock roms
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] MikeCriggs:
+1

I love my Galaxy Note for that too. Thank you Samsung <3.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] davis9491:
CM10 or AOKP. Both ate good and both are jellybean. Of course, if you like TW and bloat, you won't like these.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Haxornator:
Indeed, one jealous atrix 4G troll here
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] lesonal:
Good thing I have thirty days to return this pos... Going to return it and get a nexus 4.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Naldonnis:
The only thing I'm missing out on is google now. Other than that I'm fine with ics. Phone is a beast. If you want the latest updates then your initial response shouldn't have been let me get a phone that has the worst history of getting timely updates. If it doesn't have the "nexus" in its name, then you should have just kept walking past the phone department. If you like the phone then root it and install a custom jellybean rom onto it. If not bring it back and get the stock powerhouse.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] davis9491:
The gs3 is a superior phone to the nexus phone. Quad core is the o my advantage. With current apps and OS, you won't know the difference between quad core or dual core. Gs3 has 4g LTE. Just load CM10 or AOKP and you have virtually provided yourself a gs3 nexus.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] thatsupnow:
you don't know what your talking about Buddy, go ahead and return this "pos" phone and get a n4 then whine about what it doesn't have
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jaketc:
Oh my, I came from the atrix 4g, and while the developers are super awesome, Motofail really ruined a great device. This s3 is just amazing, even on stock ics. I am only rooted so far, but compared to the gimped ics and jb on the atrix, I guarantee you would be extremely pleased with this beast of a phone. Go get it!

And seriously guys, we waited for a year while Motorola promised ics for atrix, then dropped it a month ago, so having this technology and support is a blessing, believe me.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] themadproducer:
Agreed.

And if you want Google Now (which is not the actual name of it...rather Google Search 2.xxxx featuring Google Now), go here and install this mod to have it on your ICS rom. I even installed it on my Stock Rogers rom even though they say it's only for Deodexed roms. Works Perfect. BTW, TIP...to be able to change default Voice Dialer, use Titanium Backup to convert Google Search 2.xxx from SYSTEM to USER app.

I am interested to see the JB update...but my ICS runs like a frikken dream. I fixed or tailored a few minor things, integrated all my favorite 3rd party apps...some cosmetic tweaks and mods...and I have never in my life had something so reliable, great battery, fast, multitasking etc etc. I know for a FACT based on my experience, that when/if I update to JB....it will be a give and take...a roll of the dice to see what improves and what becomes broken. Been there....done that. Thank JesusAlaBuhda for CWM.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] blade30p:
Jelly bean brings nothing but pure improvement- I'm still on stock jb & don't plan on changing anytime soon ;)

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Doomboss:
I just hope the update will be coming soon. Or maybe just go straight to 4.2 :p:p:p:p:p
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Intub8:
http://www.popherald.com/20121107_samsung_galaxy_s3_att_jelly_bean_android_update_rumor-20586

Hope this turns out to be true.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] elementaldragon:
Wow... seems like quite a few people have migrated to the S3 from the Atrix 4G. Was seriously annoying that Moto dropped the development of ICS for the phone. Wouldn't have been as bad if they'd just said from the get-go that they had no plan of releasing ICS..... but having it in development for nearly a year and then just ditching it.... not even releasing crap so developers could get it working fully without any serious issues.... pissed me off.

And even i looked at the Nexus 4.... but honestly.... no LTE, no removable battery, no removable storage media.... OH, but you do get a shiny looking back cover :rolleyes:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] rickwood:
Yeah, I came from the Atrix 4G also. Loved that phone, but feel that Moto really screwed us by leading us on for an entire year. I'll never buy Moto again. Loving the S3 now. I think Samsung is getting the right idea - - less models and better support with updates. At least I hope this is the case! Looking forward to Jellybean.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] ikjadoon:
Re-direct your wonderful discussion to my brand-new compilation thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1984126
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Anthonicia:
So, yeah, a blessing and a curse. Just spent $7 on wild blood and kinda regret it, lol. Cool game, just not really worth it. Also not optimized for tegra devices. Only uses one core...

At least they are "compatible" now. No having to edit build.prop and break google wallet anymore.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Majin101:
Omg finally ! Nice, thanks for the heads up. Finally can play my tablet games on ny phone
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] om4:
Yet none of the apps I bought a few months ago are compatible..... Oh well
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] om4:
They added more titles today, oddly they don't all show up under their gameloft titles banner, you have to search for gameloft to pull more games
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Anthonicia:
I really hate gameloft customer service and how badly the games run and are poorly optimized. What device are they programming for? The ruskie 1953?

Geez man, makes me so mad they have decent games but the company is so horrible.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] om4:
I heard they prototype all games on Sun Solaris and then port to android :D
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Anthonicia:
I heard they shoot meth in their eyeballs and are holding punky Brewster for ransom. Screw them with the biggest wingdong font available in 1992 sun Solaris 1.0.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tankjay:
Guys, as the 29th is approaching -- what are you thoughts on this upcoming battle. With the speculated display, processor/ram specs Nexus 10 (if it's real) looks to be as good if not better then Note 10.1 (minus S pen) --- I am tempted to return my Note 10.1 and wait for Nexus 10. It's Google/Samsung collaboration so updates will be straight from Google without wait and hopefully TouchWiz, multi-view, pop up video player etc features from Sammy - seems like a "Killer Device"

Thoughts..
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
This was being discussed in the Note vs. TF700 thread. Here are my thoughts.

In addition, here's an article from today talking about Google's Nexus push.

More Nexus devices don’t necessarily mean more sales and more control over Android for Google.

It’s not clear how a larger Nexus tablet would succeed where other Android tablets have failed, unless you believe mainstream consumers pay close attention to pixel density or other minute tech specs. Google Play has a smaller movie and music selection than Amazon Instant Video (as Laptop Mag noted in a recent comparison) and doesn’t have as many proper tablet apps as Apple’s iPad. In lieu of sheer quantity, Google will need to show some amazing content of its own or knock it out the park on pricing with its tablets.

As for smartphones, the big question is whether Google will cater to wireless carriers, whose subsidies are what allow phones to sell for under $200 in the United States. (They’re also the reason you agree to a two-year contract when you buy a new phone.) Verizon and Sprint did subsidize the Galaxy Nexus, but the arrangement wasn’t ideal as customers still had to wait months for software upgrades. If Google goes it alone and sells unlocked phones without subsidies, it’ll still need a retail partner to provide hands-on time, along with some serious marketing to explain why an unlocked Nexus phone is worth getting.

All of which is to say that next week’s press event will be a lot of fun to watch. And even if you’re not obsessed with the tech industry’s twists and turns, at least there’ll be some cool hardware.

http://techland.time.com/2012/10/23/googles-big-nexus-event-whats-at-stake/​
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tankjay:
Nice write up, thanks for sharing..

Here's what I've gotta have:

- Multiview

- Pop up play

- S-Pen/S-Note (may be)

- AllShare Play and Cast

- Mini apps

- Enhanced audio and video codec support

- IR port (may be)

- Browser h/w acceleration

Main point for me is if the Nexus 10 doesn't move forward towards multitasking, it's almost a no-go for me..
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
For me, no pen = no sale.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] nonione:
Haven't used the spen a lot, I'm also a fan of vanilla Android so I guess I'll be getting the nexus 10 , gotta see it first tho
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] TonyBigs:
Been using a pen since the Motion Computing M1400 (now LE1700 w/SXGA+). No reason to stop now. Love the Note 10.1. Give us Super AMOLED+! Keep on writing!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] drraptor:
It is just like comparing nexus with note 2
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] KingRamo:
Well its a nexus device so it will run stock android and so most likely won't have touchwiz and if it doesn't have touchwiz doubt it will have any of the great features that come with it from samsung. I personally think it will just be a big Nexus 7 with a GREAT screen, so still a good device but I think it won't have any of the productivity pros as the Note 10.1.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] makanimike:
I see it like most others here: no spending, not interesting.

And there is no way the nexus will have an spen.

The spen in combination with the Multiscreen functionality are amazing. It regularly makes me think about how much fun university would have been had I had it in those days.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] midas69:
Well I've owned my Note for exactly 24 hours now. I was the one that brought up the subject in the other thread. I figured I'd buy the Note now and if the Google announcement blew me away I could just return it. Still not 100% sure what I'll do.

But I think those that say it will be pure vanilla Android are correct. So unless Google slipped multitasking into 4.2 without anyone getting a sniff of it, I doubt you'll see anything special.

The big draw sounds like it's going to be the display. That's compelling, no doubt. But i'm not sure it makes much difference to us old guys with poor eyesight.

The big draw of the Note for me was the 2Gb of RAM. It's possible the Nexus 10 will come that way, but doubtful. But if it does and they bring in a 32GB model for under $400 I still might switch*. But I didn't think that would be the case so I picked up the Note now.

*Release date is also important to me for other reasons that probably aren't a consideration for others.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tankjay:
I am on a dicey situation - my 30 day's end on 28th and this conference is on 29th - should I return it and see what comes out of the conference and if it's not compiling re-buy the Note or just keep the Note and let it release and see how it actually feels before parting way with Note

Tough call.. will be doing some research in the next few days
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
There were a ton of leaks before the SGS3 and Note II were released on the Samsung side with pics and OS screen shots. On the Google side there were leaks for the N7 and Nexus 4 also with pics and OS screen shots. The fact that there's only been one editorial leak for the "Manta/N10" that's been repeated everywhere leaves me to believe it might be announced on the 29th but the release isn't around the corner. No harm in returning your Note and re-buying it after the announcement just in case.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jedah:
+1 for me. Without the pen, I would've

considered

an iPad and a pressure sensitive bluetooth stylus. But, most likely would not buy a tablet at all.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] makanimike:
This mentality of returning stuff for no real reason other than one feels like it, is the epitome of wastefulness for me. I find it so odd. I could never do that.

It makes me more aware of the fact I need to keep my eyes open more for refurbished products whenever I pass through the US.

Oh well... :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
Budget? For me at least, that is a VERY compelling reason right now, and reasons dont always mean as much to one person as it does to others, vice versa, but yeah, there should be some sort of time frame, a reasonable one.............in cases like a defective unit, with promised support and fixes that may or may not come, that has you waiting months, i dont think a measly 32 days is aceptable standard,* the lower the number the less likely of a return, theres only one party there that stands most to benefit................ but i digress
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jonstrong:
In the case of Best Buy, the retailer provides this very option as enticement and reward for bringing your business to them. You can be certain that the cost of processing such returns in fully included in their overall business model. Knowing that the store allows you to "try out" a piece of expensive gear before "committing" to it most likely has been determined to increase sales. In short, Best Buy wouldn't have created this program in the first place, and then expanded it in subsequent years (e.g, "Silver Premier") if it didn't make business sense. They're not doing it to be "nice guys". They're doing it to secure larger market share and benefit their bottom line.

With that very policy in mind, I find myself more willing to plunk down my money sooner in the shopping cycle, knowing that there is far less risk of being disappointed and "stuck" with something I don't like. I've gone from being indifferent to Best Buy, to viewing them as a preferred retailer, especially as they are quite willing to engage in price matching as well. The "mentality" (as your describe it) is that my anxiety about purchases of not-yet-proven technology is relieved, and Best Buy gets my business sooner and more frequently.

So...both parties to this retail arrangement (consumer and retailer), benefit, and both agree to conduct business on this basis.

Why, then, should the consumer feel guilty about exercising his/her option to return a piece of merchandise that disappoints - for whatever reason, even if it were something as trivial as the color clashing with the curtains in my office? It's not a matter of taking advantage of the arrangement - merely exercising one of the options that the retailer offers as terms of the sale. In the end, I will be a far more loyal Best Buy customer because they value my satisfaction. They benefit - and I do too.

BTW: Out of all the years I've purchased products from Best Buy, I've spent many thousands of dollars there (business and personal), and only returned two products.

Also: when a returned product is resold - it is done as an "open box" item, with a commensurate discount. You don't have to suspect that every item you buy in the US may have been touched by another consumer before you get it. Those who knowingly buy "open box" items often delight in the great bargain that they've found....and once again, this is built into Best Buy's business model. In short - all parties benefit.

Here's Best Buy's own description of the "Silver Premier" benefit that relates to this:

MORE Time. We want you to ensure you love every purchase. So contact the Helpline for help with setup. Or, get a recommendation on an exchange that better fits your needs. Best of all, you have plenty of time to decide with a 60-day return, exchange and price-match policy on Best Buy and BestBuy.com purchases.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a win-win situation for all parties.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tankjay:
Yes, I know - that is why I will be researching as much as I can (hard for me to part ways with my Note for even a day without a HUGE reason ;))
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tankjay:
I fully agree with this jonstrong's post- I once asked Costco that why don't you guys sell iPad and they said "wel,l because Apple doesn't like our return policies" - so if the company has issues with it they might as well keep it from Stores with basic (or more then basic in Costco's case) "return policies"
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jonstrong:
Yup - Costco is another great example of shopper protection -- and they have one of the most loyal customer groups in the entire industry as a result. Costco customers know that they are never at risk for "getting stuck" with a disappointing purchase.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Hest88:
I seriously thought about it. I'm still well within my 30-day return window. However, I realized that the one reason I dismissed the Nexus 7 isn't likely to change: the lack of expandable memory.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Agree even screen reviews are not that greats so I think my note still is a better device
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] ap27:
I considered the N10, but I find I really need the S-Pen, microSD slot and at least 32GB of storage from my tablet.

Since the N10 is Samsung, with their own display and processor, I'm confident that by the time we hit Mobile World Congress in Feb, we'll see a new 2560x1600 Note 10.1 with (hopefully) an Exynos 5 quad, microSD and all the JB S-Pen goodies.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Iron Doktor:
The specs of the Nexus made me very interested, as I was just about to buy a tablet. But the simple fact that it is lacking a SD slot is what put me off completely (same reason I wouldn't buy a Nexus phone).

So as of a few days ago I'm a very happy owner of a Note 10.1. It's brilliant, and nicely combines with my GNote phone.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jaydubbbbs:
I kind of look at it as Toy vs. Tool. I think the nexus 10 would make a fantastic gaming/video viewing/ reader tablet. But i need to be able to accurately draw on pdfs. It's the reason I could justify a tablet. I like the idea of the nexus devices however, non removable batteries and no memory expansion are non starters for me. I like to hold onto devices, and it seems the battery is first to go with mobile devices. I will stick with Sammy due to those reasons.

Also, count me in as a touch wiz fan. Maybe cause it was my first android experience so I'm comfortable, and it's multitasking abilities inn the Note albeit limited are quite useful for me.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
The reviews of the display are all over the place. Here's what the Verge (who hated the Note) said about the N10's display...

At one point I sat for almost an hour, eyes flicking back and forth, trying to decide whether the latest-gen iPad or the Nexus 10 has a better screen. It's a huge, huge compliment to Google and Samsung that I couldn't decide, and called it a draw. (I think the iPad renders text slightly better and the Nexus 10's images popped a bit more, but I'm seriously nitpicking.) The Nexus 10's screen is absolutely phenomenal — its ridiculous 2560 x 1600 resolution (that's 300ppi, if you're counting) makes text look insanely sharp, its colors are really accurate, and its viewing angles are so good that I can actually lay the tablet down on my chest while I lie in bed and still comfortably watch a movie.​

And the Note...

The front of the Note is of course dominated by its 10.1-inch display, which is... okay. It has solid viewing angles and brighter colors than the Nexus 7 display, but at 1280 x 800, it’s nowhere close to matching the resolution or clarity of the new iPad’s Retina Display or even other similarly-priced Android tablets, which are starting to feature 1080p displays. I also think it looks a bit too contrasty and harsh, but I am extremely picky.​

Personally, I like the Note's display from a brightness, contrast, and color accuracy perspective and so did most of the reviewers who said it was a massive step up from the G-Tab 2. The only downside obviously is a rather outdated PPI.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] dmarco:
Exactly what I was thinking ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
And don't forget, once the SGN10.1 gets JB with Note II goodies, it is going to be a remarkable tool.

For me, no pen, no sale.

And yeah, I wish the whole pen thing didn't limit screen res but I'll take it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] relldroid:
Doubt it, I read somewhere that the technology involved in producing the panel of our note which supports the S-pen cannot function with a resolution any higher than what it already is. I'm not sure tho. But seeing a GTab 3 of that resolution is more than likely.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Yes its a new technology and it will improve as time passes by like the case is with Note and Note 2 but yes I also believe the higher resolution is a challenge Spen but over time that should change but none the less the screen is not bad yes its not as good as Ipad retina but not as bad as a micromax also