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[Off-topic] conantroutman:
F**k space, who cares...

It's not gonna be cool and exciting like the movies. If you want to float around with gormless look on your face just go to your local swimming pool..... :rolleyes:

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[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
Party pooper!
[Off-topic] StormMcCloud:
Space > Swimming Pool
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
Well excuuuuuuse me for thinking that it might be an idea to fix all the **** ups we've made down here before we send some douchebag off to Mars to jerk off like a zero gravity chimp in an intergalactic safari park.

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[Off-topic] NatTheCat:
Yove gotta admit, if he's pretty sure that's it.. He's spoken and we should bow
[Off-topic] StormMcCloud:
Ahh but if we get a station set up on Mars we can send all the stupid people there and then it would be easier to fix earth.
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
Outer space swimming pool. Your argument is invalid.
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
How about we send the garbage we have on earth to mars? Then the garbage could work in "camps" aka "if-you-don't-work-we-will-launch-you-into-space", and we - the good people of earth, could use mars as a springboard/refueling base for when we want to explore the rest of our galaxy.

I know, i shouldn't have said that!
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
I'm done with this thread. I'll be in the corner eating glue.

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[Off-topic] StormMcCloud:
mmmmmm tasty tasty glue, too bad you don't have any space glue to eat.
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
I say old chap, there are far more fun ways of ingesting said Evo-stick than eating it! :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
You just lost the game. Possibly forever.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Sent from my Nexus 7

Yes, yes exactly!
[Off-topic] deathnotice01:
Another idea,

Try sniffing the glue in plastic,

You'll be so high

this post is approved by the national potato safety regulation
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Not me, I want us to spread like a cold virus, and the universe is a the vulnerable lining of a sinus!!
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
See, this guy gets it! :D

High five bro.....

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[Off-topic] clay101eve:
Or does THIS guy get it?

The reality is that true space exploration is so far beyond us we will never live to see it... that is unless we find resources like oil or precious metal on Mars or aliens plop down in a grand show on Earth. :mad:

I still like to think that something closer to FireFly will end up being our future. (Assuming no intelligent life is found)

Clay

Team Pirate

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[Off-topic] slaphead20:
I hope there is life out there, watching us and despairing at the stupidity of the human race as we rape and plunder our natural world for the benefit of a tiny minority who claim to act on the majority's behalf. Die capitalism, die!
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
Helium-3. That's what we need, and there's plenty of it on the moon. We know and want it, but it's incredible difficult and expensive to transport it to earth. But there's hope. I bet we'll advance a bit in this field when Planetary Resources Inc starts their asteroid mining.
[Off-topic] SXUsr:
I hope not, and I think the argument of cost is a fallacy given the amount of "free energy" type inventions out there, we just need to get our priorities here on Earth right first.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Yup, generation ships with no FTL capabilities is most likely. We're going to want a decent destination so scanning for planets will need to get higher resolution.

Bwhahahahahaha! You made my day :rofl:
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
You are on a smartphone forum and you want capitalism to die? Oh the irony.
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
I fully appreciate the irony.....but it doesn't alter the facts ;)
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Do you have an alternative, back to the prehistoric ways? Live off the land and barter? Sorry, far to many people and guns out there to work. Plus, was up with all the pessimistic attitudes? What ever happen to having hope for humanity? I for one still got some.
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
Well one thing's for sure, no pessimist will get a seat in my ship!
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
Humanity won't change in time, however nature will restore the balance eventually with mass starvation and disease probably leading the way, it isn't pessimism in my book, but a return to natural ways and it will take millennia to arrive at that state, but arrive it will! Nature is both cruel and kind in the same instance
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
Lol....that is blissfully funny when you see this.....the home my first son was born in!
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
I see it is most of us are all built to survive. Mentally and physically. Admit it, when you say mass starvation and disease, you don't picture yourself or your family as the ones that will die for the greater good of nature. You are the surviver will others perish. Truth is, in such a scenario, you, I and most people you know will die in a horrible, slow death. Since we have this strong survival instinct, and a big brain to figure out how, we will fight with all we got, mass starvation, disease, and all other elements that will bring down our demise.
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
Wether I picture myself as surviving or not is irrelevant, the situation will inevitably arise......and its even more irrelevant from my point of view having an indolent cancer that can't be cured!

Of course the fittest will survive, that is genetic and natural selection at work.

The last couple of thousands years represent the only time in history when mankind has actually diluted and weakened its genetic pool owing to medical science.
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
This thread surprises me again. We started with discussions around space in general, then we visited religion, a communist said something about something and now we're into something strange about mass starvation and diseases. I'm not sure what's next, but i bet it'll be entertaining.
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
Now that's what I call space exploration.

Also, blasting Nicky Minaj (corrrect my spelling and you're banned, IDGAF) into space never to be seen again would please me greatly.
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
we are now all doomed with the brony thread being unleashed on the unsuspecting masses of aliens out there....a revenge attack must be imminent, .....time to roll one and contemplate the end!
[Off-topic] clay101eve:
Ahh, Nicki Minaj. Send her to space and the aliens will think they're under attack!

Clay

Team Pirate

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[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
You just had to say it didn't you? Since i'm bored, i present; Nicki Minaj In 8-bit Space :p
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Soylent green anyone?
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
a truly great film, but I think they renamed it McDonald's!
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
That is truly one of the most awesome things I've ever seen. :D

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[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
Hahah, thanks!
[Off-topic] clay101eve:
Just sayin... my response was to correct your spelling!

Don't make me walk the plank...

Oh, and Eve-Online - watch any of the official trailers. Would be an amazing thing to be that advanced...

Clay

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[Off-topic] xaccers:
Nah, McDonalds do salads.

My point was that should it ever get to the stage where wiping out all human life from Africa for instance would be required in order to provide agricultural land for another nation was the only way for that nation to feed it's people, then that is what would happen.

Humans will find solutions, and capitalism is the label that will be given to it.

Look at more fuel efficient and environmentally friendly cars, their development has been down to capitalism. Forcing green tech on people is good for the economy. Remember the scrapage scheme? I believe several countries ran similar schemes, some more horrific though where engines had to be murdered by running them without oil and filled with silica until they seized up.

All in the name of environmentalism to get people to replace their older cars with new fuel efficient/environmentally friendly cars.

Lets completely forget that the majority of pollution from a car's life is actually produced during it's manufacture so keeping cars on the road for as long as possible and therefore producing fewer new ones is more environmentally friendly, but not very good for the economy (the real reason for scrapping the old cars).

I drive two cars that are over 14 years old, they run on vegetable oil (waste isn't available in this area so not as carbon neutral as it could be) which modern diesels can't do. Most spare parts are from other scrapped cars rather than new. With running costs so low, it leaves more of my income to spend on other things.

Should there be some upcoming cataclysmic event, any solution that is going to save some of the people rather than all of them is going to have to be kept under tight wraps, that takes money. Selfless logic would suggest that telling everyone that only some can survive but the more who get involved in the solution will mean more people can survive would result in everyone able to lending their support simply to keep the human race going, but humans don't function like that, only those who are deemed worthy either through skills or funds would be able to take advantage of such a solution. After "the event" capitalism would quickly re-instate itself as the norm because people will always be in need of services or products that they themselves cannot provide.

Unless you're on anti-depressants, track down and watch a copy of Threads. You may have seen it first time round depending on your age.

It's probably the most realistic portrayal of WW3 in Sheffield back in the 80s (Auntie Beeb got into trouble with PC Plod when they set off a massive petrol bomb to create a mushroom cloud without asking permission first).

To say it is bleak is a understatement (hence my non-flippant comment about anti-depressants!) especially 15+ years after the war.

The bleak choice is work the fields for the land owners/gang masters resulting in cataracts, radiation poisoning and early death, or otherwise be shot as a looter/starve to death.
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
your first paragraph is already happening with vast tracts of land in Africa being bought by developing countries in order to feed their vast populations leaving the African nations with an ever increasing food problem.

Threads was a great film, truly chilling and it may yet come to that as nations come to blows over ever decreasing resources wether it be food, fuel or mineral resources.....and that process is well under way already as well.

Still mankind marches blindly onwards and the sad truth is that depopulation is one of the primary solutions.
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
I gave you a pass. Thank the bourbon.....

:silly:

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[Off-topic] xaccers:
Most of Africa's issues are down to tribalism, superstition, over population and eviction/slaughter (for political gain) of those who actually knew how to farm the land.

Depopulation of the world is the only solution when you have more demand than the resources ultimately available.

It's a heck of a lot easier to complete too, either through war, famine or pestilence if we're sticking with the traditions.

OK there's also moving to another planet, but that's not exactly easy.
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Sounds good, who wants to die first to fix overpopulation, raise your hand.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
I know of several people who would dearly like to die, but due to the reasons why, they are unable to raise their hands :(
[Off-topic] MissionImprobable:
Hate to poop in my own thread but everyone always seems ready to go at Africa for some reason when it comes to certain issues. In this case, it would be much more beneficial to wipe out China or America if we wanted vast tracks of resource rich land. While Africa may also be overpopulated, both the U.S. and China contribute a much larger amount of pollution to the environment and the removal of the population of either would be a boon.

I'm fine with either, as I will be in SPACE =p
[Off-topic] xaccers:
China has nukes.

Many African nations are already unstable with poor hygiene/medical resources so wouldn't take much to push them over the edge. Heck, recent history has shown that one group is quite happy to wipe out another group just because they are told they are different.

China has nukes.

China has the resources to wipe out most of it's own population thus reducing it's reliance on those resources.

South America would be another alternative. There's always France too...

China has nukes.
[Off-topic] clay101eve:
I wonder if China has nukes. Anyone know?

Clay

Team Pirate

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[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
I actually laughed out loud.

But to be totally serious for one second; i bet xaccers is really good at RISK.

Aaaand:
[Off-topic] MissionImprobable:
I wasn't referring to ease of population reduction, I was speaking to the value of population reduction, and the world as a whole would benefit more if we wiped out say, the U.S. and our top hat, or China, rather than Africa.
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
Most effective? China or India.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
But that would be wiping out a load of academics, engineers and industry which would have a negative impact on the globe.

Space exploration, cleaner energy, new technological advances are more likely to come from the USA or China than Botswana for instance.

Plus, the US has nukes.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Actually taking out some "Western" nations would probably be more effective (especially the USA) as they tend to use up a lot more resources per person than people in China, India, or any other nation.

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[Off-topic] slaphead20:
Couldn't agree more, what use is your stupid technology when there are no natural resources left to utilise it.

Some people are destined to walk blind for their entire lives!

We are running out of fuel, minerals to make electronics....heck, if people can't figure it out then you can only pity them! :)

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I also can only laugh at the "we have nukes so we are king of the castle" attitude.......shameful!
[Off-topic] xaccers:
We aren't running out of fuel, we are just going to run out of certain types of fuel.

The minerals we use are mostly chosen due to cost not function, so when one method runs out it becomes more cost effective to change to another method.

Take the lithium in our batteries, there is already alternate technologies not reliant on lithium, when it becomes more financially rewarding to use them we will.

Look at Diesel engines, originally designed to run on plant oils, but it was more financially rewarding to use a waste product of the fracking industry.

Now they're looking into oils produced by algae to run engines on using the carbon CYCLE. Gasified woodchip can replace the fuel in many power stations.

Renewables such as tidal, thermal and wind will be more economically viable. Nuclear too.

We won't actually run out of oil, it will just become too expensive to drill for and the petrochemical industry will move on to other products.

OK so in 500,000,000 years the sun will go pop, but by then even with generation ships we could have populated other solar systems or developed similar technology to Dyson spheres.
[Off-topic] slaphead20:
you really don't understand much beyond one or two generations do you? We are consuming resources at a phenomenal rate, and I don't reckon you need to look more than a century down the line to reach a real mess.

How are you going to get into space when there are no resources and money left to finance it? The only way money is genuinely created is by harvesting natural resources, you can't go on printing money for the hell of it, any economist will tell you that.!

As for the rest, you watch too much science fiction,;)

You do understand that half the world is broke, and the rest are rapidly following suit, including America, Europe, China....the list goes on......any way,I shall leave you to ponder from your warm security blanket of self delusion, as for me, well the writings on the wall, and thankfully I'm wise enough and literate enough to read it ;)
[Off-topic] xaccers:
You may want to believe that the world is broke but it isn't, there's plenty of cash out there, and the great thing about cash is its value is arbitrary. Look back 80 years when things were much worse, heck look back to when Labour last screwed up the British economy and we had to go cap in hand to the IMF, then see the growth during the 80s, proper growth not sudo growth based on credit.

All that happens is economies readjust.

Remember when we knew there was oil in the North Sea but it wasn't financially worthwhile to drill for it, and then the price of oil went up enough to make it viable. That is how it works. We've been "50 years away from running out of oil" for all of my life, how can that be so? Well it is simple, the statement is made on current oil fields, and ignores that as oil prices go up drilling in more expensive areas opening up new fields becomes more viable. It will get to the stage where drilling is no longer worthwhile and then we will be to all intents and purposes out of oil, but long before then alternatives such as synthetics created from bacteria will replace it along with low friction materials.

In the 80s Maggie moved us away from coal fired power stations, as a girl of working class origins and an interest in science, she spoke in '86 about the threat of global warming and climate change. Due to such policies we had a head start on nuclear, and cleaner gas and oil power stations meaning we would have needed to spend less to meet EU agreed limits had subsequent governments picked up the baton properly.
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
Dear World Governments,

Please spend our money to deal with the problems we have on Earth instead of outer space, where obviously, life wasn't strong/intelligent enough to carry on.

Sincerely,

Me
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
PS: Scientists, if we don't have jetpacks and hoverboards by 2015 you're all fired.
[Off-topic] StormMcCloud:
Dear people saying the space program is just a waste of money,

We really hope you enjoy the things we helped create like:

Artificial limbs

Baby formula

Cell-phone cameras

Computer mouse

Cordless tools

Ear thermometer

Firefighter gear

Freeze-dried food

Golf clubs

Long-distance communication

Invisible braces

MRI and CAT scans

Memory foam

Safer highways

Solar panels

Shoe insoles

Ski boots

Adjustable smoke detector

Water filters

UV-blocking sunglasses

Yours truly,

NASA
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
People can't manage to stop running into each other on the ground, why the hell would we give any one of them a license to do it in the air?

Not going to happen.

Yeah, I've seen the hoverboard meme, and it's awesome, but no no no. People are too dumb for all that.

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This isn't my first day on the internet, Storm. I read that list years ago, and yes, I agree, NASA has a method to their madness.

I just don't understand what business we have on Mars in 2012. Someone enlighten me without getting political.
[Off-topic] StormMcCloud:
Basically we are exploring Mars to see if it will be sutable for human life once the earth becomes too overcrowded. At the current rate that the human population is expanding the earth won't be able to sustain everyone. We will have to find alternitives.
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
Politics aside there are really only two frontiers left to "conquer" Space or the bottom of the ocean. Human nature gives us the desire to understand the world around us so if we stopped trying to explore the unknown what would be the point? Imagine if in the 1950s we decided we knew enough. We wouldn't have cell phones, personal computers, the Internet, wifi, and about a zillion other things that we would have never figured out if we weren't determined to push the limits of what we knew. There's no "direct" relationship but the same people who grew up wondering what existed beyond what we understood are the people who dream up what becomes our future.
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
Here's an alternative.

Wyoming.

Have you ever flown over this country and looked out the window? Sure, it would take massive amounts of money to inhabit our desert regions, but I don't buy into the population problem. There's so much empty space in the US, let alone other inhabitable areas of the globe. Infastructure is a *****, but Mars isn't the answer. This, like anything else I post, is my opinion, and I respect yours.
[Off-topic] StormMcCloud:
And when that runs out? The usable amout of space here on earth is finite.
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
That is dozens of generations away.

Yeah, I believe we have that much space.
[Off-topic] StormMcCloud:
This is true it will be dozens of generations away from now. However the research we do now will help to lay the groundwork for those future generations to possibly be able to terraform another planet thus making it habitable for their future generations.

Now I do agree that at this current time we do need to reduce the amount of government spending towards the space program and that is something that is actually being done currently. The space program is moving away from government programs to the private sector for that very reason.
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
I'm really hoping you guys understand that I'm not trying to push any buttons here. I am just as curious as anyone about our future. There's so much I don't know about what we are doing as people to make this world a better place to live...not just while we're alive, but future generations.

Storm and XOB, I respect you guys and your insight. Hopefully things wont be awkward after this. I'm sure about most things in my life, but this thread sparked a bit of curiosity in me.
[Off-topic] StormMcCloud:
Nope I hate you now. Sorry but that is just how it is.

lol j/k you should know by now that basically nothing phases me. Plus I really really enjoy a good debate.
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
I'm a master debater.:p
[Off-topic] clay101eve:
fixed... (oh, btw, you suck at spelling)

Clay

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[Off-topic] xaccers:
The issue of overcrowding isn't about there being no room for someone to build a house, it is about not having the resources available to sustain people as slaphead was saying.

As food resources get close to being outstripped by demand, the price will go up and converting currently un-farmable land will become worthwhile. Or population control will be brought in, wich is more likely as if you can't afford decent food your mortality rate falls. Unless processed algae food pills and artificially produced meat are made available, vegetarianism will be banned due to the environmental harm it causes compared with meat production. It is easier to make land suitable for grazing than it is for crops. Apparently fewer animals are killed per kg of protein too compared with crop production.
[Off-topic] StormMcCloud:
Exactly. Well said sir.
[Off-topic] veeman:
I like my idea of sexy aliens. :D
[Off-topic] tobiascuypers:
I second that idea! If sexy aliens took over Earth. I would be so sad. I mean, we'd still die, but in a sexy way