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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
I know that wasn't directed at me but here's some stuff to consider...

Exynos 5 is a newer more powerful SoC and has significantly more memory bandwidth than Exynos 4. The Mali 604 GPU in the N10 is also more powerful and able to take advantage of that extra b/w. But in the end the N10 and Note will perform about the same. Pushing the enormous amount of pixels (twice that of the Note) erodes any performance gains. Also, Anand believes the N10's rather average benchmark scores are caused by 50% of the additional memory b/w available being hard-coded for use by the GPU. Additionally, Mali is well known to be weak at vector graphics (gaming) and the king of shader graphics (everything else). So compared to Teg3 and S4 who do better at vector graphics you'll notice the N10 and Note are weaker at extremely demanding games.

I've seen a couple of N10's. The PPI is impressive; the display itself is not. It's got weaker contrast than the Note and isn't as bright. The one's I saw seemed pretty warm too. I guess that's fine if you like warmer displays but I prefer mine cooler.

Here's a Note next to a TF700. As you can see the Note's display holds it's own and the colors are more vibrant.

Here's a Note next to an N10. You can see both the warmth of the display and the lower brightness levels.

I wish the Note had a FHD display. But from the N10's I've seen I'm not sure how enthused I'd be if it were that particular one. I'd rather have a nice normal 1920x1200 display that drew less power, didn't tax the CPU/GPU as much, and didn’t have as many light bleed and QC issues the new LCD technology Samsung's using in the N10's display has. .

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No need. Someone on the N10 forum posted this. Everyone's hoping that a pogo pin charger will be released which should (theoretically) speed up charging time over USB.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] KingRamo:
Thanks for the graph. I've read several of your comments on the forum and they always seem to be very informative and helpful :good: .
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] KING SKILLZ:
Thanks for these points, particularly the one concerning developer support. I had the original Zoom and GT 10.1 and the roms/developers on these devices were great. I assumed it was the same for the. Note 10.1 considering its a powerful new device and the S pen brings a whole new set of features, but development seems scarce especially for the wifi version. The N10 would be a no brainer for me if it had the SD card slot, with the size of some of these games, and the amount of movies I like to have stored(long commutes) I'm not sure 32gb will be enough. I returned my note 10.1 to bestbuy and repurchased from Costco for their 90 day return policy, hopefully by then maybe something with the combination of both devices will debut.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] GETCASHMONEY:
Having had both, the Note is a much better device. I do miss the screen, but 720p is good enough for now for me. The battery on the Nexus is not good. I would get about 6-7 hours on screen time, where as with the note I get 10-11. I don't know if its because of a lack of optimization, but the nexus is far less smooth while scrolling through menus and programs than my note. Scrolling through home screens goes to the nexus though.

Overall, if you watch movies, nexus is better. If you want a better all around tablet with productivity options, keep the note. The grass is not always greener.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Moricon:
I agree with the above. If I wanted just a media device I would go with the N10. I wanted the ability to do more. I kept the Note.

Note I had both devices. The N10 went back yesterday.

Also this is one of the best threads in have read on this subject. Many very balanced and fair post about both devices.

Thank you.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Blueback22:
I load all my movies onto a USB drive and access through an OTG cable when I need them. I have the 16gb version and have plenty of space on it even with all my apps.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] KING SKILLZ:
Thanks for the idea, but I used up the storage on my 16gb GT10.1. Granted I could have done a better job of managing space by removing movies that I was currently done with, but whose gonna be on top of that all the time, I bought the little SD card converter thingy to play movies on my cards but the slightest movements caused the converter to disconnect. I have the 32gb note with a 64gb card so storage is not an issue, but if I switch to the N10 I'll get the 32gb.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Blueback22:
Go with the 32 and STILL use USB OTG. I dont play them from the card. Instead, I copy over the single movie I want to watch. That way I am using only 1 movies worth of storage at any given point in time.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Reiman76:
That's true, in my case i didnt need the massive resolution offered by the nexus 10 since i love saving movies in my tablet. There'd be no space left if i kept fullHD movies! 720p is fine for my needs.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] neshro:
I'm very confused by what I've read so to put it in one line (i dont care about storage or the spen) why would the note be a better choice and is the battery issue that bad, enough to make u go for a screen that is half the resolution of the one on the nexus 10?

Performance wise, ive read everywhere that the dual core A15 (on the nexus) is better than the quad on the note for some reasons because of the gpu, cpu i didn't really understand. What do u think?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Blueback22:
If you don't care about storage or s-pen, get the nexus. Techincally the dual core A15/exynos 5 out performs the quad core exynos 4, but I don't notice a difference. They're both fast.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] midas69:
Don't forget the multi-view. That was the big appeal of the Note 10.1 for me. I really don't use the s-pen much.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] sebbo90:
So heres my two cents on the the matter. I own a nexus 10. However after doing a lot of reading about both devices, I was adamant that I wanted to swap for a note 10.1. I love the look of touchwiz and the extra features that it brings in like multi windows and the spen. However I went to the shop to take a look at it first before I committed to swapping my Nexus 10 for one. When I got in the first thing that hit me was how cheap the note 10.1 felt in my hands compared to the nexus 10, which surprisingly feels very premium. The second thing was the screen, before I went in I was convinced that I wouldn't notice the difference in resolution that much, but when I had a play with it, after coming from the nexus 10s screen I was disappointed, everything was not as crisp and I don't think I could go back from such a high dpi. So I think I shall be sticking with my nexus 10. However I will say something, I found the note 10.1 very smooth, a dramatic improvement over the last Samsung tab I owned and couldn't see what some reviewers ahem *the verge* were talking about saying it lags. Maybe when the next note 10.1 comes out I shall get it :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
If the screen is the only criteria then go for a nexus though it is not as great as it is should be
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Blueback22:
Try not to judge the Note too much by the display. It feels cheaper and runs slower than a new one.

That being said, the Nexus feels more premium for sure.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Moricon:
I don't really think it is that cheap feeling. Is it as "solid" ? Not really but i feel it is better balanced. I hated the feel on the N10 in my hand. It felt unbalanced.

Keep in mind I do not watch movies and tv on my tablet very much. Somethings are more important to me than others.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] aimfire72:
I've gone through 3 N10's so far and all have had severe light bleed. The HD screen might be nice, but the tablet is junk. I'm sticking with my Note.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Reiman76:
I think that most people here who are very happy with their Galaxy Note 10.1 (like I am) all bought it for the features found only in that tablet (i.e. the S-Pen and Multiview to name a few). We knew what we wanted from our tablet when we purchased it and consider its limitations as the least of our priorities.

If all i plan to use my tablet for is watching movies, playing games, and browsing the web then i would have bought the Nexus 10 because the massive screen resolution would really benefit me. As it stands, that's not all i wanted to do with my tablet.

The way i look at it is this... the Note 10.1 can basically do everything the Nexus 10 can in terms of media consumption. But there are things that the Note 10.1 can do that the Nexus 10 can't do (or can't do properly) in terms of productivity.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Bagbug:
I skipped a few pages so Im not sure if anyone mentioned the price difference for those who are quick on deals.

I paid $399 for my Note 10.1 32gb @ Staples (in store -$50 (thanksgiving) and a $50 coupon) with no shipping fee of course and I can return it with no hassle until January 6 .

Does the Nexus 10 worth the $100 ($120 for those who order from Google), you tell me.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Since you didn't mention features I'm assuming you're a consumption (vs. productivity) user. The only advantage to the N10 is the higher resolution display. It has poorer battery life, takes longer to charge, uses a funky phone-esque UI, has a less bright and lower contrast display, a higher than usual number of them suffer from light bleed, and there's no SD card slot for storage expansion. It has an HDMI-out and USB port but those are available via accessories for the Note if they're important to you. Performance wise their about the same; the Note's less powerful but the N10's enormous pixel count chews up the advantage. So it's your call; lots of features vs. a higher resolution display.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] graffixnyc:
My Nexus 10 will be here tonight (It was supposed to be here on Tues but UPS screwed up) I'm keeping my Note 10.1 for sure. I already removed every non productive app/game off it as I'm going to use it strictly as a productivity device. My Nexus 10 will be my media consumption device/play device
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Bagbug:
care to elaborate ?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Quick OT flashback. I'm still using my N7100 and N8000 on AT&T's $10 data plan. ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] graffixnyc:
meaning I'm going to use the Nexus 10 for movies, games and more of a media device where my note 10.1 is going to be strictly for work/school

hahaha I still don't know why I got flagged.. :( Anyway I changed to the US LTE version of the gs3 and now that I've experienced LTE, HSPA+ is painfully slow.. I'm using HSPA+ on my Nexus 7 3g version and it's so much slower
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Bagbug:
Good enough...

I choose (for now) to keep the Note 10.1 for gaming/surfing/ and emailing, as strange as it looks and I got this"" for movies/tv shows/streaming and even gaming (with an air remote): http://www.in4dealz.com/deals/MK808...ernal-Camera---Skype-Live-Chat--Black-600513/

Paid $50 for the device and around 15$ for an Air remote like this one:

Im still waiting for the Nexus 10 but unless its amazing (which I doubt), Ill giving it for xmas.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tuffballa:
what is that? is it a tablet or a device to connect to ur TV?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
According to gsmarena, note 10.1 front speakers are allot louder and better than nexus 10
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] graffixnyc:
I'll let you know when I get home. My nexus 10 is waiting for me. Being a musician sound is very important to me. The sound on the note definitely impressed me more than any other tablet I have owned and I've owned more than a few. Lol
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] midas69:
Wow, the answer is so simple. The Nexus is a 10, the Note is a 10.1. That means it's 1% better :victory:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] carlitos66:
than you will be very disappointed, because I have both devices side by side and the sound from Note is way way louder than Nexus, which I don't get at all, because Nexus has 2 speakers on each side, Note has 1 speaker on each side - if you understand what I mean :) Also loudness is very important to me because I am flying 12 x times a year from US to Europe and watch lot's of movies on plane and need really loud audio output device even with Sennheiser noise cancelling headphones. My old Samsung 10.1 tablet was perfect for this, it replaced Asus Transformer which was a disaster. I didn't test Note or Nexus inside the plane yet ( I have Nexus since Monday), but home test was pretty convincing, Note is way way louder and clearer sound.

System sounds on Nexus are also very quiet, feedback's from keyboard etc.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
They look pretty much the same (the Note's the second pic) and both have one speaker on each side. Maybe it's s/w?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
The blue casing of the note's speackers is some what bigger , may be they underpowered or used a smaller speakers in nexus to save power, the screen is eating almost all the power from the battery
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Or money. ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
Right for sure :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Bagbug:
this the remote (optionnal) that goes with this:

It has a USB/ MicroSD and HDMI ports. You can use mouse/keyboard (USB ) and it is hooked on your TV via the HDMI port.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tuffballa:
anyone looking for a good comparison between n10 and note 10.1 this one is great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU26u3sY3A4

still waitin on king's video review..but this guy does a good job!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] doesntmatterx:
Where did you get that remote?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Jonphinguyen7:
"The pen is mightier than the pixel"

-JonPhiNguyen7

The S-Pen is what makes a world of difference between these 2 tablets. It alows for greater productivity and accuracy. The Nexus wins on having Stock Android. Even myself have flashed CM10 on my Note because touchwiz sucks so much ass.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jonstrong:
Good consideration for many of us, and one of the strong points for the TF700T -- I can stuff a LOT of memory into this, especially when the keyboard / dock is attached and I can have two external memory cards plugged in. Cloud storage is nice, but it's not always available, it's never as fast to access as local memory, and when I'm not on Wi-Fi it burns a chunk of my data plan.

This is one of the big considerations for me to look at first when the Nexus 10 is announced...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vertron:
True. It depends how much media you keep on your device at one time. 32gb is the minimum I'd accept.

Also don't forget that it's possible to use usb sticks to transfer data from/to the tablet too. I wonder if external hard drives work too?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] makanimike:
@banderos and Jonstrong:

With the term "epitome of wastefulness" I was implying that this mindset is harmful to the use of resources and the environment. And you really manifested this worldview by speaking of nothing but effects to you as a consumer and the other party as a seller. :)

When I get a gadget it is with considerable consideration . Once I make a decision I stand by it. Budget is considered, but also things like "Damn, can I really justify the use of cassiterite (or other resources) for this new toy?" This is a really big issue for me when I think about upgrading my phone -bigger than the price tag.

You know...the whole concept of 'reduce, reuse, recycle'

And when I mentioned looking for refurbished goods, I didn't mean spotting one, but specifically looking for them: cheaper for me, and I am picking up other consumers slack (keyword reuse)

If Apple does not agree with the return policy of some vendors, then I must assume that the economics of this business model, while working out purely from a monetary point of view, likely does not if you include externalities. Or in other words: the amount of goods returned by shoppers is not (physically) picked up by other shoppers buying refurbished items.

I really love gadgets. But I try to make decisions as best aware of the ramifications on environment and people in other parts of the world as I can. (And the poor Chinese factory workers are people who have it relatively cosy considering others in the supply chain).

And I guess that was enough hypocrisy and spiritual hedonism from me for a week :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] makanimike:
Apologies for coming across as condemning. I thought the way I brought this topic up was very gentle.

Had my intention been condemnation I would have been more explicit. Pussyfooting around is not really my thing.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tankjay:
Happy Ending good:

So, after some 1-2 hours of searching I still don't have anything solid and chances of keeping the Note is at 60%. Just spoke with our partners @ Google - he's in different dept. but hope he can find something out if not, I asked him to get me into this conference - doubt if that's possible but if he can that would be fun. In the meantime, dilemma continues.. :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tabing:
Gnote 10.1 exceeds my expectations. Gnote is better than any android tablet because of 2gb ram, exynos processor, flash player not official but working fine. These specs maybe will not make me sell Gnote for nexus 10. Also to be competitive companies should release their product before time.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
There are no leaks on hardware specs of note 10.1 so it means its not in production yet so I feel it will go on sale sometime later not immediately now this is my believe and I do not know how true it will be but if you see previous history Samsung has made sure there is clear difference between Samsung produced nexus and samsung flagship devices in terms of hardware. All said and done I have already bought note 10.1 and hence no matter what nexus 10 has to offer I will have stick with note but I have no regrets sticking with it as I am very happy with it.

If i had not bought it then may be I would have waited a while but even then I would have gone in for note because in markets like India nexus either never comes or is delayed we still do not have nexus 7 officially that means for google India still is not the market they are keen on which is completely opposite to what samsung does.

Secondly I do not know how good the service network is for Nexus
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Magnesus:
If Nexus 10 has a Wacom pen and similar specs as Note 10.1 I might switch - I don't care about Samsung additions that much (although I like them and would miss some) but the pen is uberimportant to me. I've recently written many, many pages in LectureNotes during lectures and it was amazing like Apple people say. ;)

I think if Google intends to release 10 inch tablet it might have added some familiar to us features like multitasking to Android 4.2 - they have to do sth like that if they want to compete with Microsoft. Also - stylus might be requirement soon too thanks to Microsoft and their pen-equipped tablets. :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Again this is my view two things missing on Nexus 10 for sure would be Spen and Multiscreen feature (unless thats a part of 4.2) two reasons for that a nexus device come with bare os no customization and b by including these two Samsung would be killing its own flagship tablet.

As Nexus is still a google tablet built by Samsung.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] shaitoni:
"For me, no pen = no sale."

+1
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
http://androidos.in/2012/10/alleged...ppears-online-ahead-of-official-announcement/

As per this leak no SPen
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] midas69:
Just saw that myself. Looks odd to me, a hard bound manual? But if it's real it shows...

Front and rear cameras

HDMI

Micro USB
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tankjay:
Thanks samir_a

Very interesting (in a good way) if this is real.. :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
To be frank how gen this is because as we have seen even with devices like Ipad we know what is going to come out because the hardware is always leaked well before the release so is the case with Nexus 3g and 32Gb and LG Nexus 4 we all know what their hardware specs are but this is not the case with Nexus 10 so most probably its not still under production yet.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
Why two ports one for micro USB and the other for charging, very strange :), but I liked the led notifications and the separated HDMI port
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Hest88:
Hm. If it *does* have a micro SD slot it might be back in the running. I'm really loving my S-Pen, though, so not sure I can give it up.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Well it does not have micro SD slot and as a standard with previous nexus tablets I do not think it will have
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jonstrong:
A proprietary port leaves the door open for non-USB power levels (e.g., 18v, 2a) - would charge much faster - without risk of screwing up a real USB power by plugging in an overpowered charger. Also looking at the "charging port" - it appears to have several contacts, suggesting to me that it will be able to do more than just charge the device. Reminiscent of the bottom port on the ASUS TF700T which can be used with the charger...or to connect with the dock / keyboard. Maybe there's a accessory like this in the Nexus 10's future?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Have a close look at the dimensions of the manual and you will find that it is not the size of a 10 inch tablet they do not seem proper to me look to long for and that is something that makes me think how geniune is this because generally there are no manuals and whatever are there are either smaller or the same size as the tablet
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
I think it is for the dock that all the nexus devices have, so it is for charging and docking

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May be they will put it in landscape orientation in the box, or it is just a demo for the real quick user guide
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
even then its looks to thin and to long
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Everytime I look at a tablet with no pen I think why bother? I already have a phone.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] midas69:
Just so many leaks about the new phone and 32GB Nexus 7 showing up at retailers, but not much really showing up about a 10" tablet. Leads me to believe they may announce it, but it's not ready for sale right away. If that's the case, I have no choice but to stay with the Note 10.1.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
It has LED. Nice!