yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Jamison904:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

lol, shouldn't. Hopefully when I do get the S4 I will be able to keep one of my S3's. I have too many hours into this project to just walk away. Plus I learned from when I moved from the S2 to the S3 that if I can afford to keep one I will. The S2 section is a huge mess and I have wanted to knock the dust off the Original Infamous ROM and update it but without the device I can't or better yet won't. I won't release anything I haven't tested personally.

Sent from my dark hole called an office.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Cool, pretty sure my wife would kill me if I went and dropped 1k on two new phone, especially with our first due in two months. And I'm in your boat, I get one she does too. Lol. :)

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] gmoney11:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Bump. Didn't know if anyone had any other ideas to get the tethering unblocked? Preesh.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] mobeast17:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Are you using the kernel that came with the ROM?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] devils6889:
I was just wondering if there were plans in the future for the option to not have long press menu to kill? I much prefer long menu to search and was wondering if this will be incorporated at any time.

Thanks for all your hard work!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Shizzx:
i Do my best to hold on to all my old phones. it just feels good to look back and see where you came from.

but that S4 is reserved and and somewhat paid for. (best friend works for Tmo and her Bf too, i threatened to shave them bald if i don't get mine day one...they know not to test me)

can't wait to see what you can cook up on the S4
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] deerkiller:
i have a question oh wise one of vast knowledge and power of android Rom creation ....( sounded good didn't it ? ) ...If i happened to install a rom from the sprint or verizon section ( and it not stating multi carrier ) what would happen ? most likely no signal ? ....on super bowl Sunday i Fu*k up big time installing a international Rom by mistake....( my brand new S3)...and yes i experienced my first hard brick with jaw dropping disappointment ...thank god i was still within 14 days of my new sign up or it would have been really ugly ....so what would most likely happen Oh grate one ....:)....I am thinking no signal but possibility a modem flash could fix it ...just guessing .

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use Opera browser and you will not have a problem .
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Jamison904:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Unblocked? No. But there are a few things you need to do to keep from being blocked. Chrome will get you blocked every time no matter what ROM or what mod you try. You need to find a browser that's user client is Linux based or you can modify the one you are using. Chromium works great for me. There are a few threads in the general section on this or Google how to do it. It isn't hard but these things we dont really speak of. (They are always watching....) :cool:

Sure do. I am looking into adding it as an option in the ROM Control. I actually already have the needed extra code built in for the "back to kill" option. Just never got around to switching it.

Lmao, must be nice. My friends over at T-Mobile are all push overs and won't hook me up. That and "they" are more excited about the stupid iPhone. Worst thing T-Mobile could do is release that darn thing. There goes all our bandwidth.

Sent from my dark hole called an office.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] eggydrums:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

I honestly don't know why devs leave after they get another phone, I mean, they know the ups and downs of a phone, you don't need the phone to make ROMs, but that's my two cents... if T-Mobile doesn't charge me anything other than the down payments and stuff I'll probably get the s4
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Jamison904:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

yeah please dont do that. Yes the ROMs can be ported between the carriers but just downloading and installing a ROM built for them can and most likely will brick your phone. Mixing Kernels are the quickest way to brick a phone. That and I haven't checked but the blocks for the partitions could be different and will brick the phone. Just stick with T-Mobile or At&t or the already ported ROMs.

Yes and no. Yes a " ROM chief" can continue without the device because all their updates are changing the theme here and there, adding an apk or removing some, taking apks from other devices and adding to their "ROM." Then bullsh!tting their change log to make you think it is some huge update.

A real developer modifies their ROMs. Adding mods and tweaks that require modifying the frameworks and smali deep inside the apks that control the whole ROM. These modifications can be simple or extremely difficult and even the easiest mods can break with one charter being left out or even an extra space where there shouldn't be one. Without having the device you have no idea if it truly works, thus putting your name on the line releasing it. :D

Sent from my dark hole called an office.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] eggydrums:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Words with wisdom right there lol your ROM is rocking btw
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] masterkamon842:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Been using this rom for a couple days now. I gotta say, this is the closest to a perfect touchwiz experience you can get! Everything is zippy, battery is excellent, no force closes anywhere, dsp manager works with Pandora and other music apps, I just love it and not changing it anytime soon. Once you get tw keyboard fixed I'll surely drop you a small donation, but anyhow thanks op for an excellent rom :D
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] empeefizzle:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

+1.. I have been a flashaholic lately.. Trying out most of the TW Roms.. And I have to say this Rom is King! Awesome battery life with no tweaks needed.. Super smooth without compromising battery life. I can finally say that i found "the one" that I will be sticking to for a while.. Thanks Jamison! Great work! Can't wait for 5.0! :thumbup:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] eggydrums:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Seems we have lots of people shifting to this ROM... :D
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Been running the .6 beta for a day now, actually starting to like the stock browser and my gmail better, no problems what-so-ever. Big ups to the man, thank you Jamison...

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII

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Also I know on 5.0 you're going super stock, any chance we could get a flashable zip for the current boot animation? If it's even possible.

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

4.7.6, battery life. Just put it on the charger, it's sleepy time...

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] deerkiller:
Rodger that sir!!!!....No more hard brick for me ...man its sucks , not as bad as riding the lighting from a taser , but its a sick feeling when you push the power button and NOTHING happens....and on the other reply , that sounds like some heavy **** ,1 little mistake in your coding and bam! it don't work , Then you have to go back and figure out where you messed up at ...some people just don't appreciate the effort you put into this for us ....a thankless job for sure.....but i do and many more of us here do , and to all of you over the years. I am cranked for 5.0 release ... .:good:

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The battery life kicks ass on this ROM ......it last my whole shift 12hrs without charging ...love it :good:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

I tagged the ktoonsez kernel thread just so I can pop in every now and then and laugh at them trying to get better life than me... :cool:

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII

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Thought I wjp going to sleep... pregnant wife... :-\

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[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] rpgdev:
Is there a way to delete the "Infamous bookmarks"? I tried and it tells me that they cannot be deleted.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] rpgdev:
I have a widget that displays the bookmarks and it's full of promotional bookmarks I never added, and sure that's good and all as long as I can delete them. Frankly, it is a petty way to promote the project (not the addition of the bookmarks but the fact that you can't delete them) and you're too big to do to that kind of thing: this is beneath you. Maybe this is a bug, if so I'm using the latest build as of this writing.

Are we supposed to have an android smartphone and not be able to delete a simple bookmark? Does that kind of thing even reflects the ideals of this community?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] fasteddie5:
Go to settings>applications>all>scroll down to internet and clear data. Then you will be able to delete those bookmarks. :good:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Jamison904:
I removed the BS filler stock Samsung crap. I personally do not need a link to the BBC or Wikipedia or even Amazon. I will make a note to make them editable (no one ever complained about them so I never even checked if they could be deleted.) No biggie. Also they are no way promoting the ROM. I add them as quick access to the ROM thread, our themes, the download links from GOO and my other server. There was wasted space so I made use of it.

Think you are way over thinking this my friend. :cool:

Here try this zip.Let me know if it makes them editable or if you can delete them.

Forgot, once installed you can't change it. You can wipe and reinstall the ROM but flash this right after before booting the first time. ( already fixed for the next update...)
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jookdakang23:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Jamison let me know when you're ready to work ^__^
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] rpgdev:
Yeah, I think this definitely goes under the bug category. fasteddie5's suggestion worked tho, either way thanks for uploading the bookmarks.zip file!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] cashmonkey:
V6 SuperCharger Settings

Can someone tell me what they used for theri V6 SuperCharger settings? I did 1000HP and Bulletproof but I find it to be lagging sometimes and freezes other times.i Switched to 786HP to see if any difference.

thanks
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Wow! This guy spends most of his free time making one of the best roms on this site, for free, minus the donations some of us send him, time not spent with his wife and child, and you want to complain about bookmarks, I thought it was nice to be able to go and find all the access I need to get goodies for this amazing rom. You come in and complain about bookmarks... lmao. I'm sorry, but this irks the **** out of me. Go read the rules beginning of the op. If the damn bookmarks bother you so much, why don't you make your own rom so I can come on your thread and flame you...

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII

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Left it where it was set by the dev, no problems at all.

Although, I didn't even know you could change the settings, or where to do it. Lol

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] rpgdev:
Is there a way to modify the shortcuts that appear on the lock screen?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Jamison904:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Sure is buddy. Go to lock screen settings and where you toggle shortcuts on and off, click the description and it will take you to another screen.

Sent from my dark hole called an office.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

You so nice Jamison... :P

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII

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Maybe you should apologize to the dev for being such an ass... just saying.

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] rpgdev:
Yeah, I'm sorry for that. My comment was out of line. You rock Jamison904!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] myowin:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

I know you said sorry. But as a reminder please do not (I repeat do not) insult the dev who dedicated to serve the community with his talent free of charge. Do not rock the boat in this community by saying like 'you are too big to this kind of thing or is that ideal of community' things like that just because you find something you are not happy with. We are strong supporters of this community and by looking at your history in xda, you have been here for a while. You should know better. Please read the op and help him help you. Thank you.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Sorry for stepping in where maybe I shouldn't have, but just recently we were talking about what a great thread we have, and in the two months I've been here, with my galaxy, I feel like by far this is the best thread and group of people on this site, and just like off the net, I'll put my two cents in where I feel it's needed. "So don't you be coming in here talking trash bout my devs" :Mr. T voice:

And sorry for calling you out @RPG

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] chadcspencer:
Notification sounds muted?

Hi all,

I can't figure out what I did (I'm sure I did something) but my sounds are all working but ALL my notifications sounds are muted? See screen grab.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DsturbD:
Group hug everyone!!

OK break it up, that's enough
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Jamison904:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Well more teasers for 5.0 then? New different lock screens! :cool:

Sent from my dark hole called an office.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jwmacdon1231:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

STOOOOOOOOOOP TEASING!!!!!!! LOL
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Philly Jim:
Yooooooooo .........That Rocks Jamison .............:good::good::good:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] cromo8:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Lol I feel like were getting close to a holiday where we get gifts! Jamison is thinking of us. But wait does easter count for gifts?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jwmacdon1231:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Who knows. Maybe we'll wake up to 5.0 stuffed in our easter basket.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Ummmm! Hope you joking, and if not sorry for poking fun at you, but your notifications sounds are turned off, take you finger, place it on the slider for notification sound, and slide finger all the way to the right.

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII

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+1

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[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] lmarranzino:
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 for the Lock Screens.....

Also Hope those notifications work now....:D

PS. Glad to see the Thread back to a Norm (what ever that may be);)

Easter Basket ROM would be very coooollllllllllll ....Yet it will be X-Mas whenever it comes for sure....:cool:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] rpgdev:
I know I'm kind of infamous :D on this thread now but I have yet another question, can you guys please tell me how to change the boot animation? I've been trying to get the stock international one following this thread (both methods listed):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1835143

without much luck.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

I haven't the slightest idea on that.

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Jamison904:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Go to my download section and grab stockboot.zip. flash it then the one from this thread you linked. That should do it

Sent from my dark hole called an office.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] arieshane:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Why?

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This is the "why" I meant. Sorry, couldn't figure out how to delete post via mobile.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Kgirl:
Well, all I can say is, you guys are all crazy! That is my 2 cents whether you like it or not :p xoxo
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] chadcspencer:
TE=ZDeuce2;39728500]Ummmm! Hope you joking, and if not sorry for poking fun at you, but your notifications sounds are turned off, take you finger, place it on the slider for notification sound, and slide finger all the way to the right.

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII

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+1

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII[/QUOTE]

Brilliant, thank you so much for the revelatory advice;) but that wouldn't work, that why I asked a question. I thought perhaps I had missed a place to tick on or off in the settings menu. Turns out I was able to resolve the problem by wiping the system cashe and Dalvik in recovery. This cleared it up. Thanks for the laugh anyway
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] rpgdev:
That did work. Thanks!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] CoogiMane1996:
Apologies if this had been answered but what's the difference between this and the lite version?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] seshaz:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Probably the same difference between coke and diet coke
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] cromo8:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

+1 LOL

One is a stripped down version of the ROM with a lot of bloat ware removed including touchwiz.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] myowin:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Well. Loving it so far.. and that is how a phone should be either sleep or awake.. thank you Jamison.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Brilliant, thank you so much for the revelatory advice;) but that wouldn't work, that why I asked a question. I thought perhaps I had missed a place to tick on or off in the settings menu. Turns out I was able to resolve the problem by wiping the system cashe and Dalvik in recovery. This cleared it up. Thanks for the laugh anyway[/QUOTE]

You didn't explain that you had tried that, sorry, never had that problem, did you get it fixed? Try reboot?

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII

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You didn't explain that you had tried that, sorry, never had that problem, did you get it fixed? Try reboot?

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII[/QUOTE]

Also, check your blocking mode.

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] rpgdev:
Is there a way to get usb mass storage back? Even if it's using adb? MTP is not being reliable for me on ubuntu.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ZDeuce2:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

I haven't the slightest idea on that chief...

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII

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Not posting pics today, but damn the battery life is killing it today, 16 hours, 2 screen on, 49 percent left, not charging it tonight, post pics tomorrow

Sent from my Infamous powered Galaxy SIII
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Jamison904:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

I got one for you guys. Check out the kernel info.

Sent from my dark hole called an office.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] empeefizzle:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

Such a tease Jamison!! Can't wait!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Orical:
Re: [ROM][JB 4.1.1][UVDLJA] Infamous S3 v4.7.5 - March 22, 2013

So does this mean an Easter gift is in store for us parents tomorrow? Would be nice hint hint.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] hakoreh:
I have Google Wallet installed and I'm having a problem actually using it. My NFC works fine. I've used it for other tasks but when I try to pay with Wallet by entering my pin and then holding it against the Pay pass device but it doesn't do anything and I end up looking like an idiot. Any ideas any suggestions?

Thanks
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ddurandSGS3:
did you follow the directions in the guide of the development section?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tonu42:
Likely the machine didn't work right or this guys didn't hold it properly or long enough. In my Otterbox Defender I physically placed my phone on the the terminal it surprisingly it took a while to trigger. Likely cause I didnt align it properly.

I have spent over 75$ using wallet.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ddurandSGS3:
been using it (thanks for the help, btw) too. sometimes the pads are there but not on or available. ive had that happen a fwe times.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tonu42:
Yes ditto. All walgreens, ASFAIK are disabled. Bestbuy is sometimes enabled, and 7-eleven sometimes the scanner is not tilted at the right angle for us to use it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] hakoreh:
I've looked around but can't seem to find a video on how to exactly place it. Stupid question maybe but would help?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ddurandSGS3:
the back of the phone needs to almost touch or touch the NFC plate for the phone.

itll beep nearly immediately.

do you have NFC tags or have you used your NFC before?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] hakoreh:
yes I have them and use them daily. I guess as a last resort before uninstalling is I'll take my case off and try it that way. Thing is that my NFC tags work with my case so never figured it might be that.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ddurandSGS3:
you could be using it on inactive machines too. as long as you followed the steps in tonus guide it probably works.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] hakoreh:
So I removed the case and still no go. So I guess I will remove it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tonu42:
Its the scanner...... also, sometimes the cashier has to push credit for it to work. Such as shell or 7-eleven. Had to do this today.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] hakoreh:
Tried several different places.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] theucane:
Anybody else get an unsupported device message across the top of the app?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ddurandSGS3:
yup. itll still work though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] hakoreh:
It seems that every time I tried using it I got an authorization on my credit card for $1 but never actually went through