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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Daemos:
I just got the IQ shield i will be comparing it directly to the JLG. I only got the IQ shield for the screen not the entire device

I like the JLG, but the rainbow effect is a killer, and I've had other issues like bubbles (but no dust!) and some other rainbow effect which looks like moisture trapped under which has been there for weeks! I've already gotten replacements from Scott, which other than the slight improvement in touch, I haven't felt the price premium was justified over some of the ebay protectors I've gotten, as I've never had dust or bubble issues with the ebay ones.

Lets start with first impressions:

The IQ Shield packaging is much more professional than the JLG

They have included a wonderful cloth

They include a squeegee

Lifetime replacement guarantee written on package

Covers the entire screen

They have a protector for the home button

Cost is lower

Only con so far:

Requires addition of your own soap...which they say "Avoid any soaps with additives such as moisturizers, anti-bacterials or grease removers" this means dish soap is out, and the hand soap I have I'm not sure if it contains moisturizers or not, so off to the store to get some!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] SSHGuru:
1) It comes with no solution and it's a wet application - you have to make the solution. Why don't they supply it?

2) Packaging doesn't make a protector. However we have better packaging on the way.

3) Our cloth could be better and will be.

4) If you include a squeegee and a squirt bottle you violate a ZAGG patent and will be sued.

5) Lifetime replacement with conditions - someone wrote this on Amazon - "It has been a week since I installed the IQ Shield on my iPhone 5 and all but one of the bubbles/spots on my screen have disappeared. I presume the last bubble will disappear in time. I'm writing this review a little early in my experience with the IQ Shield because IQ Shield requires the review to be posted within 10 days of my receipt of the shield in order to receive a replacement from IQ Shield. Following the IQ Shield instruction to water down the screen of my new iPhone 5 while trying to keep the water out of the openings was little unnerving. Also, it would have been nice to see if all the bubbles would disappear from the screen before writing a review. Perhaps IQ Shield could allow customers a little more than 10 days to post a review in order to qualify for a replacement screen. "

6) Home button? Really?

7) Cost is lower because quality is lower.

Both iSmooth and IQ use the promise of something free or required so they can get hundreds of reviews. It's against Amazon rules for a reason. Naturally you must do the review before you get anything.

In general if something is cheap - it's cheaply made.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Daemos:
I have just finished applying on the iq shield, application was slightly more difficult than with the JLG, mostly because of the larger size getting everything aligned perfectly.

After squeeging everything, and letting it sit for a few min, I have no bubbles or streaks I can see of, which is +1 compared to the JLG.

I have no condition that I need to post an amazon review...or a review of any kind.

Points 6&7) Putting down another product just to "elevate" yours comes off as unprofessional IMO. If your product is good, let it speak for it self, no need to put down another product to make yours seem better.

As I've stated your screen protector is good, the feel of it is smoother than others, but the rainbow haze, and the other issues I've had which I've used a few of your protectors, makes me feel either there are QC issues or installing issues, and considering yours is the only screen protector I've ever had bubbles or hazing issues with (even leaving a long time to see if they resolve)...I'd like to say it's not an installer issue.

IMO If I could get your screen protector to be slightly larger, and a perfect install with no haze or anything it would be the perfect protector, short of a T.Glas (which won't be made for the note 2 sadly)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
Any comments about iSmooth? I know someone mentioned earlier problems with an edge not sticking down where the screen is curved, but it was replaced with a new version. Sorry Scott, I know this forum has a lot of JLG fans but I just too anxious to do any wet installs. I have tried recently Spigen sp and a few cheap ones from ebay. Spigen is 3H bulletproof, but I didn't like the margin of cutouts, especially because its so thick thus creating a gap between sp and home button. Plus, I thought it was kind of overpriced. ebay brands went on like a butter, but they are thin, leave s-pen marks (although easy to wipe), and the biggest deal breaker for me - rainbow/oily effect under fluorescent light. At my work we have some industrial strength fluorescent lights that are driving my crazy on these screen protectors (although hardly visible with screen on, but still).

MobC sounds like very similar to Spigen, so the next one down the list is underdog iSmooth. I figured 3-pack for under $10 with lifetime warranty and guarantee of no rainbow effect - worth trying out. Just curious about others experience with it on N2?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Daemos:
If you did a dry install I would try it out, I would also be VERY interested if you did a JLG tempered glass :D. Even if you need to sell it as a TPU case/tempered glass combo, I think there would be lots of interest.

I think the curved screen is why SPG isn't making one for the note 2, but I figure someone can create a tempered glass product that curves the same as the note 2...then tapers off near the edges...maximize case compatibility and resist chipping of the product. The packaging would need to be quite durable but I think it's possible.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] DataWave47:
Yeah that was just me speculating. I thought perhaps it's a dry install that it was possible. The guy doing the installation video that I posted did say that if you "installed it on the wrong side you would get bubbles that wouldn't come out." I have read multiple complaints about that too. So maybe it is possible, maybe its not. I'm not going to be a guinea pig for this one. ;)

Like I said, I followed those instructions and I have zero problems. Absolutely love the SP.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] SSHGuru:
If I offered it I wouldn't use it because I don't like the concept. I know many do however. I don't prefer the extra thickness on the screen and glass on glass just seems excessive.

But I won't do it until they resolve the problems.

I have a few very good suppliers I working with now and I spoke to one last week and he had nothing new to offer other than the two I tried.

I think I'm close to a good dry apply but I have samples coming from two places. I did get a sample last week that was "almost" what I wanted. Stuck great - looked great. But some loss of sensitivity on the edges and wasn't smooth enough.

I keep going back to JLG. The rainbow doesn't bother me in the least - but I know if I can get rid of it I will. With a stiff protector like ours we will never cover the whole glass.

I hope to have another installation video out that is so detailed that it will help everyone install these as correctly as possible.

I know some will disagree but most problems are user installation issues. After seeing as many pictures as I have I can tell a defect from an installation error in a second. Also every time I test a protector I have to pull off the Note II protector and put it back on. I can account for scratches, bubbles and dried spots as user error. Creases, glue clumps, dents are shipping or handling errors (or Amazon).

Scratches are when you press too hard and something other than the cloth hits the screen.

Bubbles should ALL be out within 5 seconds after you put the protector on - It's not hard and the current video shows how to do it but it will be more explicit.

Dried spots are people who assume the bubbles will go away on their own.

I can't wait to get a response to the above :rolleyes:

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I've replaced protectors for people who when taking them out of the surrounding material have them flip over and stick to the other side of the sheet. Those are DOA.

Also those who pick up the protector to try again will just make it worse.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] friend'scatdied:
iSmooth might be a safe bet if they've corrected their edge adhesion issue from some of their first run. It seems greater than 5% of the buyers are affected by this issue, but I've contacted them and they've made good on it by sending me another set of 3 from their second run free-of-charge. If these have fixed the edge adhesion issue that Scott and one or two other posters have mentioned I'd say it's a really good buy. You pretty much get 6 well-cut Japanese PET protectors for only $10. When you throw in the cloth it's a pretty amazing deal.

I'll report back on how the replacement set fares.

I haven't tried the JLG yet but I've had experience with the Vikuiti DQC-160 which is also a dry install "hard" protector. It's a similar story -- a fairly expensive $10-15 single protector; you have one chance to install correctly. Just like any other dry install, if you mess up the installation bad enough you will have to toss it. Dry install hard protectors are slightly more difficult to install than the dry install "soft" PET films (e.g. iSmooth) only because you pretty much need some type of squeegee to get rid of the bubbles. If you do a wet install with them as some mention it's a lot easier. The hard protectors feel very substantial and may be a smidge "smoother" than the PETs (I honestly can't tell the difference though), and due to their thickness and hardness they feel a bit more resilient against scratches and wear. I am not certain how the JLG compares to the DQC-160.

I absolutely do not buy the claims that any protector will improve the strength of the screen. If you drop the Note 2 in the right (wrong) way the screen will shatter. Until there is substantial scientifically controlled (statistically significant) research affirming the claims of screen protectors making phones more resistant to shattering, I will personally consider it a marketing claim. You should not be dropping your Note 2.

My father dropped my HD2 the other day with the Vikuiti installed at just the right incidence (hit a corner) for the screen to shatter after 3 years. If the Note 2 drops in a similar fashion with any protector installed and even with all but a few cases, the screen will probably be gone.

I can't believe people still use wet install films (e.g. Zagg, iQ, Military Shield) on their screens. The feel is horrendous.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] maxram:
I still like my iShield. Wet application. It's a bit rough but I like it as my incredibly smooth fingers (read: baby butt smooth) don't slide across the screen accidentally. Also feels great writing with the spen, like paper. Best part is that it still so clear.

Oh snap! I don't have a witty tapatalk signature!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] burrzoo:
JLG has a perfect feel

Believe me, the Just Like Glass does not feel horrendous whatsoever. JLG feels smooth and totally responsive using fingers or S-Pen. JLG of course uses a wet install process... Unlike Zagg, which is totally rubber feeling with orange peel look.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] friend'scatdied:
I'm talking about wet installs as a blanket term for films that can only be applied wet, like the ones by those companies. I'm not sure what the material is called but I'm talking about the silly "same material used to protect helicopter blades" protectors.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Daemos:
I've used Zagg and that's horrible but the IQ shield stuff I'm using right now is REALLY close to JLG for feel, but I'm not 100% sure on the durability for long term use vs a hard protector.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] bond32:
I have found a big advantage to the wet install protectors is simply with the install method. I have tried a few dry application protectors with this phone and generally to get the best results with the dry you are forced to peel back the protector from top to bottom. On wet applications I found the best way to install them is to wet them then start from the middle: curve the protector and ensure it lines up from the middle so you can align the button and the top speaker grill first then it looks much better.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] erieboyz:
What does everyone think about the Ringbo screen protectors? I have the ultimate clear + and I love the clarity and haven't experienced any peeling.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] crzycrkr:
Dry installs are literally fool-proof. Easiest things in the world to install perfectly the first time with no bubbles and easy to get out any debris that gets caught underneath in some people's apparently dusty houses. For the people that have issues lining it up, a piece of tape works wonders

Sent from my SGNII
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] bond32:
That's not entirely accurate. Sometimes dust still gets under the dry protector. Sometimes when I've tried to get debris out from under it via tape it makes things worse... Or more debris gets under. More importantly my point of lining up pertains to protectors like the tech Armor which is cut extremely close to the edges. I'm pretty picky so if it doesn't line up perfect ill notice.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] crzycrkr:
Maybe it's an issue with the brand you are using. I've been using SGP for years on phones and tablets and always have a perfect install, and I'm ridiculously picky.Never had an issue getting dust or on the rare occasion I've ever gotten any under it. Always install at my dining room table too. Never needed to use a steamy bathroom like some suggest.

Sent from my SGNII
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] dippedattache:
i'm not using a screen protector I like how the screen feels lol plus it's so hard to get a scratch on it ...my s2 never had a scratch nor screen protector
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] bond32:
Yeah, when I had sgp on my S3 I got those pretty close to perfect. The one I was really referring to was the tech Armor. It's cut so close around the home button and front camera its almost impossible to get it exact.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] SSHGuru:
I try dry ones all the time.

They are very hard to line up and I find they attract lint much quicker than the wet.

With the wet you can take your time to move it into the perfect position.

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The JLG is 20% smoother than the glass.

It's Impact Resistant meaning if you drop it on the protected part of the glass it will help.

Of course it won't help if you drop it on a corner or somewhere other than the protector itself.

I have a video under video's and review on our website that demonstrates it on an iPhone and another video on YouTube where I do the demonstration with JLG protecting one side of the glass and nothing protecting the other - with a glass puncher.

We don't sell our protector based on impact resistance we focus on the Glass Feel and the Clarity. Also I don't think anyone is going to drop their Note II on purpose for any test.

The technology is proven and patent protected.

Scott
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] crzycrkr:
Gotcha. Tapping one side really helps if you're having trouble getting it perfect. I've just not had a problem getting then perfect. Not quite sure what type of environment some of the people here are trying to put them on in, but I've never had any issue with lint or dust.

Sent from my SGNII
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] crzycrkr:
Well that explains it, lol

Sent from my SGNII
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Breezer23:
I've used every Screen Protector under the sun and these mobC protectors from Amazon are THE best I've ever used. Hands down. No contest.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] farfromovin:
Glad I decided to get a jlg (or any sp) on this note2 because after about 2 weeks I have dozens of micro scratches. Actually, I just got about 6 scratches in it all clustered up that are deep enough to feel in the protector. Kinda curious what caused that in the pocket. Im much less cautious knowing my screen is covered, that's for sure!

Sent from my GIANT internet thingy.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] friend'scatdied:
Where?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] vectron:
Makes sense regarding lint, but still when you applying a dry sp and if you get a speck of dust/lint - you can easily lift it up with a scotch tape, use the same tape to remove the speck, and re-apply it. Wouldn't it be a lot messy with a wet application? I'm also curious, and sorry if it has been answered before, how come you don't include 2 sp in your pack?

Maybe I will warm up to a wet sp install one of these days, but still a rainbow effect is a deal breaker for me. It's absolutely driving me nuts with my current sp. Btw, I have a 6-pack from ebay fro $1.99 (very popular one from some NJ seller). Dirt cheap, and very thin, but I had it for a week and every edge is still intact, feels smooth, clear and no color distortion under regular light, but very annoying rainbow effect under fluorescent lights. Not as visible when you turn screen on, only under extreme angle.

Scott, I do appreciate your comments and reviews, and sure you have a lot of experience and insight knowledge on this matter. But I still have to take everything with a grain of salt since you are selling your own product and can't have 100% unbiased opinion. I can only judge things by trying and comparing them myself (although won't be able to do that with JLG since I'm doing only dry SPs). I'm done with all ebay cheapo SPs. Will post about my iSmooth experience (looking forward to it!) once I receive it, hopefully later this week. Actually, I have been doing a lot of posts and reviews at AndroidForums, now finally getting around posting on XDA forum :)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] meaien:
Scott why not try Hori Application method they make screen protector installation a breeze if only they make cellphone accessories i will buy them
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] SSHGuru:
Can someone ban this guy?

Second post hyping a site he claims sells Samsung stuff but instead sells cheap stuff (it says cheap).

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Can you link me to the method?

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I ordered another iSmooth to see if it would be better - and I like the cloth.

As far as being biased only when people post wrong information. I'm the first to bash my own products defects. We have a rainbow effect (only when off with florescent lighting) and if you don't like that you will hate ours. We need to improve our packaging, cloth, and a few other things. I need a better installation video so less mistakes are made. I would like to include two protectors and am negotiating to do so without having to raise the price substantially. Our squirt bottle is too small and made for hobbits - its hard to see where the squirt comes from - I've sprayed myself numerous times.

Since I'm neurotic I'm working very hard to improve everything I can.

If anyone wants to suggest that I try a screen protector please let me know- I'm always looking to offer improvements.

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Watch the video's.

The report we've had done is confidential and would disclose trade secrets.

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Do you keep your keys in your pocket?

The keys won't hurt it but the key-ring will. Keys are made of brass and cant scratch glass. However the key ring is steel.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] friend'scatdied:
That's exactly what I mean. Unless the video was conducted by a completely neutral third party it doesn't bear much weight. Have you seen Gorilla glass demonstration videos?

I just don't buy this selling point.

The other would be 20% smoother than the underlying glass but this can't be disproven since AFAIK JLG is only made for the Note 2 presently, so I guess it's OK.

Different devices have varying levels of smoothness (actually in this case roughness) on the screen surface. Would be curious to see how the JLG compares to the Nexus 4's screen, for example.

None of these things would prevent the JLG from potentially being the best protector for the Note 2, but the skeptic in me finds some of the selling points dubious..
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Daemos:
Scott,

I've ordered a 3M branded Vikuiti ADQC27 protector for the note 2. I will let you know how it compares, it's made in Germany, there is a korean version as well (which can only be found in Korea) but it's not very common that I know of outside of Europe.

It's a dry application, very hard, covers basically the entire screen, and is as smooth as glass. I have not used one on the note 2, and was not even made aware of this screen protector until my friend showed it to me, and he has one on his phone (SGS3), and it is pretty much invisible, very smooth (IMO JLG smooth), crystal clear, and bonds to minor curves. If this is the case perhaps you can be a distributor of the 3M films in north america. If it is the same on the note 2, it will be IMO the best one for the note 2. And I've been through quite a few.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] kms108:
Just purchased this full transparent tempered glass screen protector, fits will with my new aluminum case, cost me about USD 17.5.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] lovekeiiy:
It's always warranted to things with caution. I think most us understand your point, and feel the same to some degree. In following this thread since I ordered my GN2, which is going on two months, and given the situation, I would say Scott does a pretty good about being objective. From his posts, it's obvious he knows that his product is not going to fit the needs and wants of everyone.

Personally, I think it's a good product. I'm not going to attempt to say the statistics about smoothness or break resistance are completely accurate. I will say the protector does feel very smooth and works will with SPEN.

I think most of this stuff are people's expectations. I never assumed the product will prevent the glass from breaking. But I did expect it to be smooth, and protector my phone's glass from scratches. It appears to be doing the job as I have not seen any scratches with the few drops, in and out of various pockets (no keys).

I will say one thing, I enjoy seeing the quality of customer service he and his company deliver. As one who has and does work in customer service, it's not an easy job to accomplish.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] friend'scatdied:
I had the ADQC27 on my N7000 and the DQC160 on my HTC HD2 and as good as the 27 was, the 160 was sluggtly better. The DQC160 isn't anti-reflective and better preserved the image of the underlying screen.

I agree that the Vikuiti line of screen protectors (with the exception of the entry-level CV8) are superlative and they could use a US distributor.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] laztpn0i:
That actually looks really nice. Does it affect the sensativity at all especially with the s-pen? And how smooth is it compared to the bare glass? Can you also provide the link?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] dougm1970:
that looks nice....i'd like a link too.

i got tempered glass....advertised as bulletproof glass...on ebay.....but the sensitivity was awful, i had to take it off...i am so confused about screen protectors.

i want something that isnt just scratch proof...but shatter proof......my biggest fear is dropping the screen and shattering it....so its why i'm looking at tempered glass (i dont want to use a wallet cover...i like the open face on the phone) but if all tempered glass makes the sensitivity as bad as the one i tried then i dont know what to do.

i will say the tempered glass i tried only had adhesive around the edges and none on the main part of the screen at all...so maybe other ones, like pictured above, have adhesive all over the protector which may mean the sensitivity issue wouldnt be there like the one i got.