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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's made by Samsung but to Google's specs. That's why it has no SD card slot but does have the additional ports Samsung doesn't include in their own tablets. It really doesn't look all that earth shattering and the design is pretty much standard Samsung. So it's a pretty basic 10" tablet with a kick-ass display and a powerful processor (which that display needs). So all the "it's plastic" *****es from Samsung's previous tablets will carry over and, depending on the price Google's aiming for, you may see less quality rather than more. I'd guess it'll come in 32GB and 64GB versions. If the 32GB is $399 or less it'll probably do OK against W8 and the iFamily because of the display (that'll wow the mainstream more than the processor). If it's more than that, with no stand out features or apps, it's going to be a tough sell just like all $399+ Android tablets have been. The TF700 is unique because of its keyboard, ports, and extended battery life. The Note's unique because of the S-Pen, multiview, and Samsung's homegrown features. What's unique about the Nexus 10 that's going to change the historical sales performance of high-end Android tablets? Andorid got creamed at the same price point when the iPad didn't have a retina display so there's a lot more to what makes people choose one over the other than just that. It's great though that Google's finally putting some of their own skin in the game and can experience the impact (positive or negative) of what's driving people's buying decisions in the tablet space.

P.S. - If there's a manual out it seems like it's pretty far along. So seeing it on the shelves (or online) before the holiday season seems likely.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] LooieENG:
Ugly as f***

Why not just keep it the same as the N7 but with a 10" screen and maybe 1GB more RAM

Would be perfect IMO
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Different manufacturers with their design elements incorporated into different products.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] LooieENG:
Oh yeah, I understand that

I meant they should have made it the same as the N7 with a bigger screen (and rear camera maybe)

The N7 is perfect, but I don't see the point in having a phone and 7" tablet, would rather have a decent 10" tablet and tbh there aren't any decent 10" Android tablets right now
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
Kind of where I am about it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Asus probably has more to worry about than Samsung when it comes to cannibalization. I read that only 1/3 of Asus tablets are purchased with the keyboard dock. If the Nexus 10 does come in at $399 with an Exynos 5250 processor, 2GB of RAM, 32GB of storage, and a 2560x1600 Samsung-built display with 300PPI there's no reason outside the dock for anyone to pay $499 for the TF700. Same thing goes for the Acer FHD tablet. The G-Tab 2 at $349 with 16GB of memory is also going to be a tough sell. I'd be surprised if Samsung didn't lower it to $299/329 for the holidays. It also means Google just screwed all their manufacturing partners by making FHD a minimum standard and essentially turning any of their partners 10” tablets priced over $399 in to albatrosses. If Google prices the Nexus 10 higher than $399 I (in my opinion) believe sales will be disappointing. The only two tablets that are safe are the Note because of S-Pen and multiview and the TF700 for people that have to have a keyboard. All this discounts any impact the iPad4, iPad Mini, and W8 tablets will have on Android tablet sales which is a whole different conversation.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Let's see if they are going to have any pricing information at the release event on the 29th. If Nexus 10 is not going to be ready for the holiday season, then they better keep the pricing info under wraps to not to cannibalize the already weak Android tablet sales. As you mentioned, a $399 Nexus 10 with a 300PPI screen will simply kill the sales of any Android tablet that doesn't stand out. With the rumors of a $99 Nexus 7, they'll be covering both the low end ($99-$250) and the high end ($399+) Android tablet market. It sure doesn't look like fun to be an Android tablet manufacturer in that picture (except for the companies making the Nexus devices, of course). We'll see....
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's some current 10" Android tablet pricing:

- G-Tab 2 16GB - $349

- TF300 32GB - $399

- TF700 32GB - $499

- Xyboard 16GB - $499

- Acer A700 32GB- $449

- Toshiba Excite 16GB - $399

Kaboom!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] KoRoZIV:
I'll trade my note for a FHD device if I could; but only for one with good QC an quality hardware. The pen is a great addition to a tablet, it just does not perform as smooth as i like (some lag and i have to push a little hard for my taste, i'm afraid i'll damage the screen sometimes).
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
If you have to push hard to write then either your device is defective or the s-pen, mine responds smoothly, with high accuracy with only letting it touch the screen, most fhd tablets are laggy like hell because processors they use are sh'tty, may be the nexus 10 will improve things allot in case of speed @fhd screens but who knows it isn't out yet
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
Odd. What app? I have no lag for app use. Navigation is better with finger touch.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] KoRoZIV:
In all apps. No matter what I do the pen is so much less responsive than touch. The best behavior for the pen is in S note. I don't use it very often but at times I like to play with it and scroll trough the screens and for that alone it sucks. Same thing if I try to change some settings in the menus.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
My pen performs flawlessly in all apps. No lag. I don't like SNote so I don't use it. I think you have a bad pen or a bad tablet. JMO
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Sure would be great if we could get an s-pen tablet with that kind of resolution without monster lag.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
It might be the pen itself. Mine got wet and started acting screwy afterward. I replaced the pen and it was fine. BB sells replacment pens. Try a new one and see if it helps. If it doesn't you can always return it. If you're still having problems there's probably an issue with your display.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
http://www.android4fans.com/2012/10...in-glbenchmark-exynos-5-and-2560x1536-screen/ specs confirmed FHD screen 2gb ram 1.7 cortex a15 processor with mail t604
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
So its dual core processor and not the high end quad core onces, thought so
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
Nice, really, but no interest here.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] KoRoZIV:
Thank you all for your input on this matter. I'll try to use the pen more often and really get used to it. At times it works just great, like now (and I have the charger on). But I was unable to execute all the gesture tricks on the home screen, like launching the apps.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
The Exynos 5250 is the fastest most efficient ARM processor currently on the market. It blows Exynos Quad and S4 Pro away. Teg3 doesn't even belong in the same discussion.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/news-events/press-releases/detail?newsId=4001
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
Not normal dual core but cortex a15 dual core which theoretically should be faster than cortex a9 quad core (that we have ) +mail t604 vs mail 400 on our device , but on full hd it may performe similar if not worse than note 10.1 on 720p screen
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
nearly doubling the performance over a current state of the art Cortex-A9-based dual core processor running at 1.5GHz capable of 7,500 DMIPS. this is an extra from the article whos link is posted above.

To be frank I am not an expert on ARM processors so I do not know how are they differentiated but this means it would be around the same as quadcore again my impression pardon me if I am wrong

Are these the processors being used Iphone 5 and Ipad 4
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
The GPU's bandwidth is huge. I'd expect it to be able to handle that resolution and then some. Personally, I have no interest in a bare-bones tablet. I've become addicted to S-Pen, multiview, and the other Samsung stuff. My Note's also a phone and has 3G data which I'm not going to give up for PPI and speed. Now if there's ever a Note 10.1 II with similar specs to the N10 I'm interested.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6148/samsung-announces-a15malit604-based-exynos-5-dual
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
According to this benchmark http://www.antutu.com/view.shtml?id=2718 the Exynos 5 isn't stronger than Exynos 4 quad (in terms of cpu ) but its gpu is more powerful so I expect nexus 10 will perform worse than our note on FHD screen specially it is underclocked to 1.7ghz on nexus 10 vs 2.0 on the given test
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Even I am not going to trade my note for nexus but just understanding things thats all. If I want a bare bone device then I would stick my neck out n say I would rather buy from my most hated brand Ipad 4 rather then nexus 10
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
Not sure if you were replying to me (or someone else), but if it was me then you're welcome.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
That's a beast!

Probably this is going to be the new "standard" for high end tablets. If you thought that "what, you have a 1200x800 screen resolution? haha!" comments were bad from iPad and TF700 owners, just wait for the Nexus 10 owners to arrive.

If it's priced at $399, say goodbye to any other $300+ Android tablets out there (with the exception of Note 10.1 for people who prefer S-Pen over PPI). Heck, even if it's sold at $499, it will be bad news for other Android makers, even though they may not sell as many units if it were $399.

Exciting stuff!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Well at least the TF700 owners will get to see how we felt when they were taunting us. At the end of the day, how much resolution do you really need in a mobile device? I'd love for the Note to have a higher res display but I didn't buy it for the display alone. The only thing you'll see a difference on is text and UI stuff according to people that measure displays for a living. What it will do is get people to think of Android devices as more than iPad knock-offs by beating Apple in the feature they trumpet most - their vaunted "retina display."

When it comes to 1080p on a smartphone, he admits that it might not matter for the most casual users. "For some people, it is possible to tell the difference if we were to sit down and study a [1080p] display and a [720p] display, side-by-side," he said in a phone interview with Ars.

"If you’re really a fanatic and you study images, or you have some professional applications and you’re really into displays, then it may make a visual difference for you."

For most people, though, it won't matter. Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections.

"Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel,"

Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail.

"The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving.

Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display.

"For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference,"

adds Dr. Soneira.

Where a 1080p smartphone display could really make an impact is with computer-generated content—that is, the user interface, buttons, and text.

"Only computer-generated images make full use of the pixel resolution of the display,"

says Dr. Soneira.

"For graphics and text, maybe you want that kind of sharpness."

Like desktop computers, smartphone displays can also utilize sub-pixel rendering, which helps improve the visual sharpness of computer-generated graphics.​

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Completely agree. If the higher resolution will bring more problems in terms of S-Pen usability, lags, etc., then there's no need. It's perfectly fine the way it is right now.

So, what's going to be the marketing term for Nexus 10's screen? Retina+? Fovea? :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
Nexus 10 tablet leaks out in live images

http://briefmobile.com/google-nexus-10-samsung-android-4-2
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Is that an aluminum back cover that has "Samsung" embedded on it? No way!!! ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jonstrong:
...would actually be pretty cool to have this as a matching piece to go with my Galaxy Nexus...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
From the pics in the user manual I thought what's actually metal would have been plastic with metal trim not the other way around. So it beats the iPad in display resolution and matches it in materials. This is getting interesting.

I bet they use the pogo pins for all sorts of interesting accessories. If one of them is a keyboard Asus may as well pack it up.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] KoRoZIV:
You and everyone else who went off-topic trying to help :) Thanks again.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
That king of soft aluminum isn't good , look at this picture

http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=newsimg/12/10/nexus-10-images/gsmarena_002.jpg&idNews=5004 it already have got allot of scratches
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
Took the words right out of my mouth, am i tempted, sure, but i got a tab im extremely happy with,

Casually check out the best and worst of the competition........if i do upgrade, its gotta be something that blows me away, and at the rate decent tabs are released, i should have a couple of months at least, and itll be difficult to leave the pen behind so ideally, its gotta have one
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] dmarco:
I'm thinking the exact same thing here. I'm really hesitant about giving up my Spen though:( Oh, I don't know what to do here. Plus rumor has it that the Nexus 10 WON'T have expandable memory card slot option. I'm totally lost
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] GodSlayer:
This tablet is going to be amazing. BUT! It is a nexus. It's created to showcase new technologies, the new android, the fast next gen processors, but it's not at all close to the Note 10.1 - a device that is designed for everyday usage. On the Note 10.1 you can actually feel "at home". This is a device that can (if you wish to) be your entire multimedia center, your real out-of-home-computer. But on the nexus, it would be nothing like that. The nexus 10 would be extremely fast - but what for? Such a powerful device to run the original Android 4 launcher? Even my Moto Defy can do that. The nexus is the future - but it's only the "chassis". It would take time until a real tablet can be created with such hardware and technology, but until then, the nexus 10 is nothing more than a concept car. A one with a working engine, but still, not the complete package.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Why is it not complete? You make it sound like it's a beta release. If that many people are happy with Nexus 7, what would be the difference using a Nexus 10? Of course, it's a bigger device, but same UI, same apps, same usage pattern (e.g., multimedia, web, e-mail, etc. etc). Just because it has a high res screen in a 10.1" size and a really fast CPU/GPU doesn't make it a "concept" car. You can't drive the concept cars, you'll be able to do everything that you can do with a Nexus 7 (and some more) on Nexus 10.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
Just a small note , the nexus 10 processor isn't more powerful than note'S processor (benchmarks show that ) , it only beats it at gpu power(and it needs that bec of the FHD screen ) , anyway I think that there is not any game right now or in a one year cant run on our tab @30+ fps
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jonstrong:
You beat me to it... I don't understand the "concept car" comment. It won't have the launcher that allows windowed apps to run side-by-side...but that's no deal breaker for me. I suspect that there will be versions of Apex and Nova that build on the 4.2 features soon enough, and I would likely wind up with Apex at that point anyway.

I would love to see them offer a dock / keyboard option like the one for the TF700T (Infinity) with the add-on battery, and an external memory card would be nice.... but aside from those considerations, I'm having trouble seeing what's "missing"...?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Allow me. ;)

- Multiview

- Pop up play

- S-Pen/S-Note

- AllShare Play and Cast

- Enhanced camera features (smile/face/blink detection, buddy shot)

- Mini apps

- Enhanced audio and video codec support

- IR port

- Dialer but HSPA data could be offered

- Browser h/w acceleration

To some, those things get in the way and they should get the N10. For a lot of folks (I'm one) those things matter.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
As we discussed, people who are really into S-Pen will have a hard time picking up another tablet without it.

I, for one, considered only one W8 tablet from Samsung (ATIV PC / Series 5), because it has a stylus. If we want to talk about a "not complete" package, I can tell you that Series 5 Samsung Tab is definitely one, after playing with it for about an hour!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
It is the one if you can afford to buy it with 1800$ for core i5 configuration
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jonstrong:
Fair enough... Would be nice if features like those could be offered as apps rather than integrated parts of the launcher and framework. For my own interests, an unlocked device that's "friendly" to ROM and kernel developers is more appealing. I also like the idea of the S-Pen, but I'm not sure if it would really make a difference to me long term.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
Add for that smart stay, smart rotate , enhanced music player with 7.1 channel audio and ofcourse micro sd support :D and the usless grip sensor
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Those features matter to us and add a lot more functionality to our tablets. "Android purists" hate them and that's perfectly fine. Nexus 10 would be an awesome tablet for them. As mentioned before, Asus might lose some prospective customers, since they don't have that many "extras" (except for the keyboard) to justify their tablets over Nexus 10 with better hardware.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vertron:
Some of them can actually. Dice Player has a pop up play feature too. Not the good ones like multi view though.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
Don't jump to conclusions. Even editor of that article you linked said they don't know if the benchmarks are real or not.

Even so, it will be close to our quad core or exceed it on CPU power at least. We all know the gpu will blow our Note 10.1 away. Plus that one benched was only running at 1.5ghz. Likely alowerbinned version of exynos5. So it wasn't even a full capacity version of true. Remember another article showed one clocked at 1.7ghz. Either way, it will easily push the new high Res screen. New gpu is a beast.

I wanted a Microsoft surface but now seeing this has me thinking..lol. I got too many tablets already. My nexus 7 showed me how good nexus devices can be out the box. Note 10.1 also great out the box. But this new Nexus 10 will be a BEAST. It will have first shot at all new android updates. It will have killer Developement here as I'm sure it will be popular. I'm getting one once it releases..lmfao

Now if Nvidia comes out and releases Wayne/Tegra4, my head might explode from all the choices.

Remember this new Nexus 10 is going to be built by Samsung and Google, so its quality will likely exceed out note 10.1. Damn, all this new tech isgetting exciting. I was catching interest in new Samsung $249 chromebook but forget that now..lol. its small change compared to what's upcoming. 2013 will be one helluva year for us tablet owners.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vertron:
+1 to the above.

I'll hate to be stuck on an old version of Android when Google releases a major upgrade like ICS. It won't happen to the Nexus 10.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jonstrong:
That's a big factor... I enjoy it now with the Galaxy Nexus... upgrades available quickly, numerous customized ROMs and kernels available built on top of the official releases. The device stays "current" far longer into its life.

Also re: flashing - Nexus designed with this in mind. It's incredibly easy to unlock / root / flash a Nexus, and hard to brick it to the point where it can't be recovered. In contrast - I've got a very nice piece of hardware in the TF700T...but between NVFlash (too late for me with that option), an unlock tool that sometimes works once the device has JB installed, and numerous stories of people with bricked devices, the contrast between a non-Nexus device and a Nexus device has been pretty dramatic for me. I'm really appreciating the idea of a device made with the dev community in mind...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Depending on how it's priced the N10 could drive Asus, Acer, Motorola, Lenovo, Sony and Toshiba out of the 10" Android tablet business. We know it won't be more than the iPad ($499) and most likely it will be priced less to sell. Samsung's got S-Pen and Asus has keyboards but if everyone just builds an identical tablet at the same price with low margins because of Google's pricing aggresiveness why stay in the market at all?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
I hope it doesn't come down to that. I doubt those other companies will give up so easily. Especially Asus, as they're the next biggest in line after Samsung. We need these other companies to keep producing tablets. To give people choices as competition only makes the manufacturers better. Android is more than large enough for everyone. Seeing how Android tablets just recently now own 41% or so of the tablet market(saw an article on it. Plus doesn't matter if Amazon represents a large number of that also.), Android is finally making some major strides on Apple. We just had our biggest piece of the tablet market yet. Apple is losing its grip. Yes its still has the largest share. But now its not such a huge lead. Android is right on Apple heels now. I see Android succeeding in the long haul. Just like in the smartphone market.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
They are. Here's Toshiba's. ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
Had the same idea, app versions of the samsung only features, usable on any android device, i

@barry, good list

i'd personally add the samsungs version of screenshot , aswell:good:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tankjay:
Looks ugly but boy the specs are great..
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
Android tablets .....lol. I think companies will keep producing both formats. Market is big enough for Android, IOS, win8, and some...its good for companies to have options. Dabbling in a little of everything vs. Putting all eggs in one basket.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
Didn't feel like we helped much, but glad you think so since that was the intention. :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] donec:
I used to use my HTC Flyer all the time because it had a great pen. I tried many different tablets trying to find one to replace it because my eyes need a bigger screen and none worked out mostly because no pen then came the GNote10. So I know where you are coming from.

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Something seems off to me in that Toshiba's image. Either that person has very small hands or that is one giant tablet and the glow from the screen looks kind of out of place to me.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
My View hasn't been used since I got the Note, even though I had the ThinkPad Tablet at the same time as the View. The TPT was fraught with issues and the View was just easier to use sometimes because of it.