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[Asus Transformer TF700] cmdrdredd:
What they have in their favor is apps written for Metro will work on Windows 8 Pro tablets, Laptops, & Desktops running Windows 8. They just run in metro. So you can have some pretty wide audiences for some apps. Maybe even future support in the Next Xbox who knows. The one thing against them is anyone running an RT tablet cannot run anything written with x86 in mind. SO you won't be able to plug your external CD drive or HDD in and install a bunch of utilities and such.
[Asus Transformer TF700] seven2099:
um

I dont know who told you can't run x86... when in-fact you can run DosBox for ARM on Windows 8 RT and therefore install emulated windows 95... yeah no glory there but technically you can run all sorts of oldschool win apps.

just saying...

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I dont know who told you can't run x86... when in-fact you can run DosBox for ARM on Windows 8 RT and therefore install emulated windows 95... yeah no glory there but technically you can run all sorts of oldschool win apps.

Also, who told you you wont be able to plug other hardware in? In fact you will see it has much more support out of the box, way beyond Android and iOS.. so yeah, not sure where you got your facts.

just saying...
[Asus Transformer TF700] cmdrdredd:
That is 100% not a viable alternative to Windows 8 Pro. Not by a long shot...legacy applications won't do crap. Everything useful available today runs on XP and onward.

I'm saying you won't plug in your HDD and load all your desktop utilities to Windows RT. It won't happen, can't happen since RT cannot run native x86 code like the Pro version will.

Nice try but...no
[Asus Transformer TF700] Malkaridae:
cmdrdredd is correct, Windows RT only runs on ARM-powered devices, while Windows 8 home pre, pro, etc. only runs on x86 devices.

For references http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT it stated "It will officially only run software available through the Windows Store or included in Windows RT."

Cheers
[Asus Transformer TF700] fordwolden:
This is unfortunately wrong! The teardown of the devices TF201/700 shows the mmc (internal storage) is a Kingston chip, you'll find this if you search the Prime forums, this chip has limitations in it's random write speed. While some tweaks, disabling journaling as one, can help with this. It's not an optimal way to run the file system. Reboots will cause data losses etc.

That fact is that the internal storage is poor, no software fix will remedy this, ever. It might help but, not by very much. I would want nothing more than a fix for this (I own both the TF201 and the TF700) but it will never happen.
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
My tablet's kernel log says it's a Hynix chip.

But otherwise you are correct - there is no way to make the hardware faster, all software "fixes" are workarounds and trade-offs.
[Asus Transformer TF700] MartyHulskemper:
The reference I gave regarding the WebWereld article explicitly states that third-party driver support will be limited, or none, as you cannot install ANY driver as an end-user. You seem to come up with an opinion of your own without any substantiation whatsoever: where do you gather it will have much better support OOTB? As it stands, that's just either your imagination / wishful thinking / gut feeling / hope, but nothing that can be corroborated at this moment in time.

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You are correct -- it, unfortunately, is a Hynix storage controller. And I fully agree with both you and the poster you replied to (forgot the name, kids needed attention in the mean time ;) ).

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The Office 2013 license provided is a VERY limited one -- if you are a decitaed. "hardcore" user, you'll have to upgrade the license anyway (this is mandatory if the installed Office package is to be used for commercial applications -- this means that, technically speaking, you are not allowed to use the installed Office for work-related purposes and either you or your employer will need to fork over more cash to Microsoft to obtain a higher-grade license. Reference: Webwereld article in the "First Post" thread by Osteele).
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
Nothing bad about Hynix per se - they also make extremely fast GDDR5 RAM, but the eMMC in our tablets seems to have been selected for low price and not for adequate performance. Shame on Asus.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
@ _that

This is what I was thinking.

Never had any trouble with Hynix RAM.

As a matter of fact it's in my desktop.

So yes the Hynix name is ok.
[Asus Transformer TF700] zenaxe:
+1. I think it is perfectly reasonable to call ASUS out on this and is of interest to TF700 owners, especially since this data point, coming via an entirely different OS, shows that it is more likely the base hardware design that is at fault and will always limit this generation of products.

As noted above, some custom ROM with hacks to work around a real physical hardware issue does not constitute a genuine fix, it only show what level of mitigation for the underlying root cause can be reasonably expected via software. Those hacks will come with some trade off of their own, by nature.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
"Most of these eMMC and other cheap MLC NAND flash controllers are really glorified SD cards, primarily optimized for reading and writing large images as if they were used in a camera. What they're not designed for is to run and be used in a full blown multitasking OS. Some manufacturers seem to do a better job of picking their storage solution, and

the Kingston eMMC in the Nexus 7 is faster than the Hynix e-NAND ASUS has used in previous tablets

. Neither is perfect however. There's a tangible impact on simple multitasking if you're downloading a lot of files or installing apps in the background".​

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
Yes those nand write numbers on the anandtech nexus 7 review for the Infinity are indeed sad.

[Off Topic I know]

@Barry H a question however:

Would the Data2SD flash be a safe bet for improving IO long term?

Been reading the thread in development and I'm not seeing it working reliably.

I just ran a read\write test on my Samsung 32 gig C10 Micro SD using HD Tune Pro (Windows app.)

The card has a very short burst with a consistent max write of 20mb minimum write is 17mb or so.

I tested a few other c10 cards I have for grins and they don't have the staying power as far as writes that my Samsung has.

The Samsung is the one that's been in my tab since it was brand new.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
That's a really interesting question and I'm assuming you're asking it because an external memory solution may be faster than the internal one. With data2SD acting as an intermediary for everything you're running that's a huge load that you'd be placing on it. I don't know if it could handle it. If it could, it would probably introduce some latency. Also, if the OS is pulling data from an external source but still caching it on internal memory you probably wouldn't see a consistent improvement. No harm in trying and you’d be a hero if it worked. ;)

Exynos Quad and S4 both have in-built IO controllers. HTC uses a dedicated IO controller on their Teg3 devices. That's why you don't here much about IO on those devices.

Here's more info on e-MMC and NAND memory than you'd every want to know...

http://www.eetimes.com/design/memory-design/4218886/e-MMC-vs--NAND-with-built-in-ECC?pageNumber=0
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
That Exynos looks pretty good.

I believe cache and all system writes would be handled on the ramdrive partition.

Setup on the external sd...from what I read.

As far as being a hero it wouldn't be me Lol ... that would be 2 guys named tweakerL and fordwolden.

The idea and ports are their idea for Data2SD.

Thanx for the links and thots Barry!

Jim

Sent from a tablet optimized by CleanROM 2.3
[Asus Transformer TF700] racerex:
If you're going to get a WinRT tablet you should get one powered by the Qualcomm quad krait. I believe the Samsung and Dell WinRT tablets will sport the Qualcomm chipset.
[Asus Transformer TF700] cmdrdredd:
As it stands now we don't have enough devices to compare with so it's too early to decide which hardware specs are better. If the specs are better but the screen has bad color then it probably won't be as nice to use to begin with. I think the early models will have these little issues like poor i/o and the like. As time moves on they should get faster and with better build quality.

When it comes down to it though, Windows RT tablets aren't ready for the majority of user situations right now. The sad thing is if they don't sell the app support won't show up, so all of us waiting for apps are hurting the adoption rate for all the devs who might be considering working on some apps for it. A bit of a catch 22, if we buy it we have no apps. If we don't buy it the apps might never come. Gonna be interesting to see how the ARM side takes off. The Pro OS side has nothing to worry about, you can just run Windows 7 software and drivers through Windows 8 Desktop mode.

Who knows, maybe next year I'll have myself a Windows tablet. Depends on how the market plays out.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
The web is buzzing with the impending release of them RT taptops, laptets or whatever new acronym will be...
[Asus Transformer TF700] the_game_master:
I came to this thread for the sole purpose to read criticism of ASUS Transformer Infinity, in part because I have an TF700T and I am disappointed that the same problems I experiened with the Transformer Prime in ICS and the Infinity in ICS are still prevelant on the Infinity in Jelly Bean.

Slow response, browser slow/pause page loading, and it's cross the board, Chrome browser has ran like crap since JB update. The only time I was proud of Google is when they released that .30 ICS update to the Infinity that made Chrome run like it's PC cousin, but Jelly Bean has shown me once again that Chrome is not ready for primetime. It is so annoying to enter in the URL to a website to see the browser just stall to load up the website. It would be different if this was 2001 and I was using the new Netscape 6.0 brower over a dialup connection, I would expect a nasty combination of that would produce horrible results, but this is 2012, I'm on highspeed 26Meg down 20 up connections, and I'm getting terrible performance from a portable computer that's equipped with 4 1.6-7GHz processors, and a full gig of RAM.

The results just don't match the specs when it comes to ASUS Transformers and I'm suspecting the entire Android and ARM hardware community.

I also came to this thread because I too was interested in ASUS Windows 8 tablet, but it's not the Windows RT I care about, I knew right away from the moment Microsoft announced RT that consumers would be served a **** version of the Windows 8 experience.

No my interest is with ASUS Tablet 810 vivo, i.e. the Windows 8 Pro tablet, that's based on Intel's Atom processor.

Something with x86/x64 at it's core, which is tried and trusted in delivering good performance for basic and advanced PC office/recreation/internet use.

In other words, I trust hardware with Intel/AMD.

My experience with the Android Transformers have made me approach anything RT/ ARM ran with caution.

I know some are thinking about the i5 or even i7 when it comes to Windows Pro tablets, but I think that type thinking would be a huge mistake, those CPUs will run a tablet like a laptop drain the battery in 3-4 hours of use.

Intel Atom promises the performance of trusted x86/x64 coupled with power efficiency.

Windows 8 Pro, ASUS Tablet 810 VIVO.

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[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
Previous Atom processors in netbooks were not exactly known for their stellar performance, especially when compared to desktop CPUs and running Windows. But Intel knows that they need to do something and are accelerating development for mobile CPUs. The next generation(s) of Atom (Valleyview) look very promising and could cost ARM a lot of market share in the next years.
[Asus Transformer TF700] cmdrdredd:
Forget Atom, give me Ivy Bridge based i5 with 4GB memory and give me USB and an SD card slot. I'll be on board. Since it runs a full version of Windows 8 I can download chrome and run it at full speed. Since it runs a full version of Windows 8 I can install illustrator and get a little work done when I'm at the local coffee shop. Since it has a real processor I can do actual work and play games that aren't $.99
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
Non topic ramblings

Looks like just about everything from this date forward may go touch screen from reading about what PC makers have planned.

Personally I'd have a hard time with a touch desktop or notebook.

Hell it took me 30 years to get comfortable with a keyboard.

I do enjoy the touch-tab format however because I get tired of swiping\tapping after an hour or so.

The PC is different story I can sit down with a cooler of beer and go forever.

So typically I sh** and git when browsing or writing or e-mailing with a tab.

I would love to try an Intel based touch computer or tab however.

I wonder if they get hot like notebooks do?
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
All this exists today and everyone can buy it, it's called "notebook". We all know that powerful notebooks are heavier, bulkier, louder and hotter than an ARM device, and that they do not run on battery a whole day. To get this power in a passively cooled tablet with similar form factor as the TF700, we will have to wait maybe 2-3 years. But also in 2014, desktops and notebooks will be again much more powerful than tablets. (and I really hope for affordable 4K desktop monitors)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Malkaridae:
I wouldn't say about 2-3 years. I would say next year in 2013 when the haswell processor release. Haswell is said to have 10-watt TDP, thus ultrabooks can be even thinner than today or they can add bigger battery in the ultrabook, due to space they save on fans, heatpipes, and heatsinks.

Cheers
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
The i5-based W8 tablets are nothing more than ultrabooks with touch screens and removable keyboards and are priced higher than the ultrabooks themselves. You're totally right; form factor, performance, battery life, and functionality are all intertwined and the only W8 devices that achieve the same balance as Android tablets and the iPad are the RT versions. And to get that balance you lose access to native Windows apps and have to rely on re-written Modern apps which, so far, are pretty scarce. There's no "perfect" solution yet. But it’s kind of cool to see all the effort that’s being put in to it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] the_game_master:
Man ASUS has their great Transforming tablets burred on their website. Those Android/ARM tablets were like test tablets compared to the Windows/x86-x64 tablets are the real deal.

http://www.asus.com/vivo/en/vivoTab.htm

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[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
Yup,

I see one can buy a notebook with Win8 for under 300 smacks.

That price alone might just might make RT8 tablets unattractive.

From a tablet running CleanROM 2.3
[Asus Transformer TF700] the_game_master:
I don't see why, you won't have a touch screen, you won't have a quadruple battery life, and you won't have a sleek looking slim device. Any old hog laptop can run Windows 8, but only a few can make good use of the OS.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
Agreed.

I'm talking price tag however.

I wanted to have a slab style device for a long time.

The pricetags on the better tablets were too high for me in the beginning.

Price vs value is still an issue in the tab market IMO.

People who like gadgets and can afford a new tab every 6 months are the main market I'm thinking.

Notebook junkies hold on to their laptops for a lot longer.

Doesn't it seem like this is what is happening?

From a tablet running CleanROM 2.3
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
This tab looks good to me for the money.

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Iconia-W510-1666-10-1-Inch-Tablet/dp/B009P7JIZ2

Since Microsoft has delayed the orders on the Surface.

I'll probably get mad at Acer again if I order\pre-order it...(bad experience with the A700)

Maybe the W510 will be a good alternative to the RT tabs.

I really don't care about a keyboard too much having a large belly...:p

What y'all think?
[Asus Transformer TF700] The-Captain:
Thread Closed, doesn't have to do with the TF700....
[HTC Sensation] Blackzter:
Can anyone share some good equalizers?
[HTC Sensation] serio22:
dsp manager is the best imo

Enviado desde mi HTC Sensation 4G
[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
Volume+ has been very good for me.
[HTC Sensation] thinkdeep:
Playerpro with DSP the best.
[Verizon Droid Charge] chefthomas99:
What are you guys doing to improve Ram usage/management?
[Verizon Droid Charge] JihadSquad:
Not touching it and accepting that this phone is gimped and that Samsung is bad at programming.
[Verizon Droid Charge] chefthomas99:
Sounds like what I'm gonna have to do...
[Verizon Droid Charge] JihadSquad:
Short of AOSP or a non touchwiz-based ROM, there is nothing we can do but tinker with minfree values. Android's RAM management is excellent, and the biggest problem we have is Samsung's bloated stock apps and modifications. There is a reason they are putting 2gb of memory on their phones while others are content with 1gb.
[Verizon Droid Charge] stueycaster:
Running Tweaked 3 helps. When my phone was stock I was lucky to have 40 or 50 MB of ram free. With Tweaked I usually have 60 to 80. If it gets too low reboot your phone. After a reboot it usually has close to 100 MB free. It's just like a computer. The longer it's on the more ram it uses.
[Verizon Droid Charge] sasquatch080:
I've developed a habit of going straight to task manager and clear ram before using apps and stuff. Usually I start at 80-95ish mb.
[Verizon Droid Charge] CalPolyRock:
When I was on the custom kernels I had nothing but problems with ram. I came to rely on Gemini task killer widget. Now that I'm on tweaked 3 with stock kernel, all of that has gone away and I rarely need to use it.

I'm not sure where the post is on xda but someone asked a similar question and I went on a rant on all the things I had tried in the past
[Verizon Droid Charge] dbaps:
The hardest lesson of all

This was the biggest "lesson learned" for me that's applicable to any phone I buy from now until I die.

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Basically you have a choice. You either except the bloatware from Samsung and Verizon and not install additional apps.

OR

You root the phone and get rid of the bloatware.

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However with the OTA updates the phone has got a lot snappier. I still stick with what I said above. From now on whenever I buy a phone I will check the run time memory and how much of it is being used out of the box. Samsung and Verizon should be ashamed of themselves.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] third son:
I apologize for this question but could someone please tell me or point me in the direction of explaining how does a build get leaked or cracked? I have tried to do an internet search and have come up empty. Thanks!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] milky1112:
Simply put.. Someone with ties inside a company (Samsung, Motorola, Apple, ETC) sends a file or something to someone (However encrypted) Then it's considered Leaked. (Most companies will sign a non disclosure agreement to prevent employees from speaking out about things they are working on. If they get caught, they are terminated as well as other possible things.... I know this because i am under a few said agreements from prior jobs, even still to this day) Once someone gets the encrypted files, they run crack programs (that use specific formulas, algorithims etc) to find the proper code. Once it's cracked, then people have the information that they weren't supposed to. Sometimes, companies will "leak" things on purpose to build Hype.. (IMO)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] third son:
Thanks, that was a great explanation!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daniel4653:
Samsung accidentally urinates
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Mattix724:
Speaking of non disclosure statements... I have a few of those with AT&T.

But yeah, like you said. Employees are on a contract and every time something gets leaked someone could possibly lose their job for a failure to comply. If enough leaks happen, they start encrypting things. Just like Samsung has started doing. Once encrypted, leaks can still happen. They just require cracking with brute force attacks on the key.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheeze6661:
I can't seem to find a Rom that im just 100% happy with. I've tried various GB and ICS roms but still am not happy. I like to play the Asphalt racing series and every rom I've tried on still lags. My Xperia Play 4G I've had unbranded bootloader unlocked and have tried cyanogenmod 7 and 9, I've tried the official ICS, nxt, true ancestor, and various other roms. I don't understand swap file or swap partition usage. Im also a user of supercharger v6 script which im not sure if it actually works. Please advise me.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UndisputedGuy:
Gin2JB or Xperia NXT (i think that's the name). Try overclocking as well. If you don't like V6, you could unsupercharge and try RAM manager from google play store.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkharbinger81:
I am currently using darkforest 3.0.5 on my play with a locked bootloader asphalt 7 dont lag for me

Sent from my R800x using darkforest Rom with locked bootloader
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chery2k:
Im diggin the stock 2.3.3 rom. What can you hate about it? Everything works. Sony made sure to get most of our PLAYS functionality were forced to stick with stock to have everything working. =/
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arbiterandrea:
The best rom is jin2jellybean with doomkernel governator smartassV2 I/O sio 364mhz - 1305mhz

Inviato dal mio Xperia Play

NXT2JB

Doomkernel 1.4
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheeze6661:
I believe chery2k is right. Thank you all for your answers.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheeze6661:
I've been using the official ICS Rom forever now but I've been missing game play when I get bored. So I'm heading back stock out of the box firmware with some tweaks and bloat removal of course.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheeze6661:
Well i'm back in stock ville. Lol! But hell now my games are working flawlessly. Removed all Sony crap I didn't use, added supercharger script. Did some other miscellaneous tweaking and now my at&t Xperia Play 4G is back rocking.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kgtau:
what ICS Official do you use ? is this what you mean ?

i plan to flash this ROM to my Xperia Play , and i plan to unlock the bootloader of my device

what you mean missing the game play ? is the game play getting more laggy on that ROM ?
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheeze6661:
Yes thats the ics Rom im talking about. I call it official because Sony has been helping that developer finish it. But asphalt 6 and 7 lag on it but very playabe. GTA 3 is unplayable.(same with all ics roms) nova 3 lags. Gingerbread is just what our xperia plays are meant to run. PsXperia games converted for GB are also unsupported. Meaning only ps1 games can play on ics are the small list of officials from the store. :( so if you want a gaming phone stay with a GB stock or custom rom. Im using 2.3.3 stock with lupus kernel o.c. to 1500ghz and supercharged