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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Ok Please check this link

http://www.gizmag.com/windows-8-tablet-showdow/24440/

It clearly says none of the tablet are release till day the first one will be released is Surface and the version to be released is RT and pro version will only release next year

Please read this about windows RT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT

also if you see the pricing of the tabs except for surface they are almost double compared to any other tab even the pro version of surface tab is supposed to cost around a 1000$ but that is speculation as no pricing is out.

I would not say that windows 7 will support a system 10 years old that is not factually and technicall correct 10 years back the standard ram and pc configuration available would not be able to run windows 7 and that is more so case with windows 8 and even the drivers for earlier version will not work with windows 8 as I am using it for couple of months and I know that for sure and it is a fact that Windows 7 for mobiles which is built for ARM processor based devices cannot be upgraded to windows 8 and so was the case with windows 6 based devices. so when it comes to mobile devices microsoft is no different and the same is more disturbing with windows devices is because generally the limitation to upgrade the software is because the hardware is not powerful enough but in windows 7 mobile case nokias flagship lumia models even today are shipping with it.

So even someone who purchases a top of the line phone from nokia today cannot upgrade its OS which comes out this month isnt this a serious flaw in it itself and worst then what apple does.

If you look at it what does windows offer except for a live tile interface the RT will come with office and some more apps but other then that there is nothing exciting about it believe me you will get bored with the tile app pretty soon most of the PC users do not like it and hence its logical most of the tablet users will also not like it.

Even one of its biggest partners Intel has said windows 8 is not ready
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
This maybe the most misinformed thing on this forum yet!

Right now Windows 8 is a lot more stable than any version of android. Is not double the cost (749 with the keyboard for Smart PC, 650 without keyboard for Note 10.1). The atom version isn't going to have any more heat output but will have about the same battery life, the i5 will be a ton faster.

Also: OneNote.

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>< If you don't know something, why pretend you do. None of the w8 tabs are released yet (Oct 26th is d-day) and most of them are full version. Only a few are RT.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Well I am sure of the information I have given but may be you are not aware so my humble suggestion to you would be please go search the net and research before commenting you will know.

I bet by using the word full version you showed that you are the one who does not know what you are talking about there are two version of Windows

Please this review for dummies on different windows 8 versions may be it will help you understand windows 8 better

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-different-versions-of-windows-8.html

Now read this review and if you think even they do not know what they are talking about then search for many other review

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-ativ-tab-1094049/review

Also please review the statement made by Microsoft when they launched surface they have two versions RT based tablets which have been announced and a Pro version which will be launched which I was referring to

I never doubt anyones intellect but if do not agree with someone just put my point without disrespecting him but if some wants does that to me I am not the one who will hold back on him We should remember this is forum where we exchange views on technology so there is nothing to get personal about.

All I can say is after putting these facts to you I am a fool and you are the smart oen
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I think you are very confused about the upcoming Windows 8 tablets.

There will be tablets from the same manufacturers (e.g., Asus, Samsung, Acer, etc) running both Windows 8 RT and full Windows 8. For instance, the Series 5 and Series 8 Samsung tablets are going to be available at the launch of Windows 8 on October 26, and some of them will be little later (e.g., Acer's 510 that runs full Windows as well). In addition to the Clover-trail-based version, they'll also have tablets running the RT version.

If you are exclusively referring to MS Surface running RT (doubt it since you said "all the W8 tabs released are RT version"), then Surface Pro will be released early next year running full Windows 8.

Please rephrase your original comment/concern, so that we can understand what you'd like to discuss regarding this topic.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Thanks you pointed out flaws but by not getting personal

Read these reviews

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-ativ-tab-1094049/review

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57532972-94/samsung-unveils-windows-8-ultrabook-tablet-hybrids/

These more of laptop tablet hybrids rather then tablets and the costing is also high. they are intel based devices more like normal ultrabooks
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I agree!

This is similar to what a "devoted and ignorant" non-Android user would say about Android without putting any time and/or research into it "fragmented OS, very limited app store, unstable, etc. etc., ". Although, they were true at one point, none of those are valid anymore, but the "perception" of the competition doesn't change easily. In this case, it's the perception of Windows. Bloatware, prone to crashes, expensive, etc. etc. Didn't we leave all that behind years ago?

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I'm well aware of the different versions of upcoming Windows 8 tablets. I don't need any further reading. Thanks for the links, though.

The keyboard is "optional", right?

They are definitely tablets with optional keyboard attachments, very similar to Asus Transformer line.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hanexs:
I ordered a surface RT, but its almost certainly going back. I just found out that the metro onenote doesnt support inking?! If this is true, then it won't last a week.

I'll probably try the samsun ativ as well... see how that atom holds up.

I wouldnt write off the note 10.1 just yet. Has a lot of positives, price, battery power etc. Sure its not a laptop, but you have your laptop for that.

Theres some chance Ill be repurchasing a note 10.1 for christmas. My wife has told me that I'm not allowed to by and return any more tablets in 2013, so I have to decide! :P
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I'm not writing off the Note 10.1. There's a good chance that I'll end up with having both unless that little Atom processor lacks so much in power.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
So tomorrow my CRT monitor can be called a tablet because it has a touch screen and windows 8 and the fact it weighs 5kgs or so does not matter

just joking no offence made
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
What Windows 8 RT can't do ...

Good article here:

http://gizmodo.com/5952934/what-windows-rt-cant-do
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] fmf.post:
I Agree

It seems to do the same as the Note, but so much more.

I think I would also move into windows and sell the note.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Agree with you Barry to you made the point I was trying to so beautifully like you said lets wait before we conclude.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hoss_n2:
Samsung ativ smart PC pro price revealed to start @ 1200$ for i3 model wt# you can buy 2 galaxy notes at this price, so if you add 3g+i5 +GPS it will end to be a 15 mm thickness 1800$tablet :eek:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hairdewx:
I want one that can run both Visual Studio and Steam.. Maybe I'll just get an ASUS Taichi :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Barry,

Thanks for the comments.

I believe Windows 8 will find a niche as full-sized convertible touch ultrabooks w/ pen input as a laptop replacement. These 11.6 inch screens simply are not workable at the higher resolutions.

Tablets are and always will be accessories. Due to their lack of screen real estate, they will NEVER replace 15 inch laptops which are the staple of the enterprise user. Corporations will not redesign their legacy forms to fit a tiny HD screen. They just won't. A tablet as accessory is just fine as long as you price it like an accessory. But when you price it like a laptop replacement, you are dead.

When Samsung or someone else puts out a full 15 inch tru HD or super HD convertible touch ultrabook with pen input I will be the first in line to drop $1200 bucks on it. These 11.6 inch and less W8 tablets are a non-starter.

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One other thought. Android is an open system. If Android developers feel they are losing marketshare to far more expensive W8 devices simply because of Office, they merely have to develop better Office Apps. The rumor is that MS Office will be coming to Android shortly anyway. The barrier to entry is not great.

My guess is the best thing about W8 tablets when we look back 2 years from now will be that they forced Android to be even better.

** Man I would LOVE a 15 inch tablet with keyboard and pen input. That would rock and be well worth the investment.

** Think about it. Is an 11.6 inch tablet any more portable than a 15 inch convertible ultrabook? They are both too big to fit in a pocket or purse. Both will have to be carried in the hand or in a briefcase/backpack. So what is the advantage of the tiny screen? None, zero, nada. It is a gimmick.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
i agree there are certain things a tablet can never do compared to a laptop atleast in the near future Tablet can be an addon to laptop which can replace a laptop for sometime but not forever
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
It was interesting to read the last paragraph (pasted below) of the article you mentioned in your post, since I saw this one yesterday and thought "bold statements; let's re-visit it a year from now and see how it plays out in the long run".
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
Transformer Book is supposed to come in a 11, 13 and 14 inch version.

Not too many people don't use their laptop day in and day out without connecting to an external monitor.

I have no idea what world you live in but to think that Windows 8 will be a niche is just insane. Windows and niche don't go together.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
I never said I wasn't insane :)

From an enterprise standpoint Windows 8 is already a huge fail before it even releases. I have been an IT Headhunter for 25 years. IT Management will be sticking with Windows 7. To them W8 is a joke.

W8 will make Vista look like a great idea.

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Will Transformer book have pen input? For me 14 is still a bit smallish.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] yumms:
I'm looking forward to Win8 tabs too, I had the NG 10.1 and did return it. Android on tablets isn't that great...I just got bored. There are barely any tablet apps, Win 8 srote already has 3000+ apps, all tablet apps. I think thats more than whats on Android.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I was surprised when I read that (i.e., more "tablet-specific" apps in Windows Store vs. Google Play). Apple apparently has more than 225,000 apps that are made specifically for iPad. We have a long way to go... When I look at my account, I have more Google TV apps than tablet-specific apps. At least Google is finally encouraging developers to make tablet-specific apps.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tonyz3:
I think the app store argument is overrated. Most of the Apple store is full of fluff. 500 versions of fart noices etc. Same thing for android. 200000 I don't believe those numbers. I would rather have 4000 quality apps.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] yumms:
But with Android tablets, apps lack both quantity or quality.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Yes we all would agree that one of sore points of Android is they lack apps for tablet, I read somewhere in this post that android developers should make good office apps so that it can replace our desktop MS office. its not that apps are bad if you take the same office apps on a tablet you will have the same experience which you will have with any of the office apps available on android. Because of the three missing things keyboard mouse and a larger screen. We all forget one thing which a laptop has and a tablet does not have till date it is the amount of space. Which brings me to the same point again even windows 8 tablets wont be able to replace windows 8 laptop or desktop.

Now many people have written down Android already I wonder how can they do that when there not even a single W8 tab out there and if you compare an ultrabook with touch with an android tab is that a far comparision.

I use both windows 8 and android tablet and I know they are for completely different uses and hence both cannot be compared
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] GalaxyBill:
Well, ditto to most everything written above... but is that a 12" that I'm seeing on these utube vids?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
It matters, when i decide to look for specific apps, and there being only one or two listings.........i.e. video apps, picture, apps, file explorer, so on so on

Now if micro's stock apps do a good job of things and pratically plays everything you throw at it, then congrats micro's jumped to the point where the note is right now, if it doesnt, its either gotta be very good and fast at updating , or have a selection of third party apps to fix or compensate whatever it is you want to do......
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
The note doesn't have a good office suite and doesn't have a good note taking app with handwriting recognition. Honestly at this point just Office and Onenote MX already surpass the Note in everything that I paid 650 for. Instead now I paid 730 for the ativ smart pc, with the spen, onenote and office.

Not to mention real multitasking, better app switching and a billion app(lications).

I love my note. I show it off at every meeting I attend. But when I get the ativ I will be relegating it to bedside browsing instead of work.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Well only time will prove how good ATIV is and then we shall see as of now all of what you are saying about Ativ and W8 is just speculation and what we are saying about note is the truth.

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but its good to see a die microsoft fan out there something which is rare to find
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
I have been using Windows 8 since december of last year. I have been using a windows convertible since 2007. I have used the note 10.1 since the day it released in the US.

I know what is good about the note and what isn't. And the office suite and s-note are not good. Lecturenotes is the best note taking app on the 10.1 and it is absolutely **** compared to onenote. Even today I transfer my handwritten notes to onenote as pdfs because its easier to catalogue and its easier to search.

Its easy enough to be clueless and think that anyone criticizing android is a die (hard) microsoft fan.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] wolfindersteppe:
Does ATIV SmartPC Keyboard Dock have battery?

In German speaking area the computer magazin c't with very good reputation has published in the latest edition the overview of coming Windows 8 tablets.

It is interessting that c't reports of ATIV SmartPC having a keyboard dock with battery!? Usually is that magazine very well informed; I am just curios that I could nowhere find that information before. It is too nice to be true; very few upcoming tablets have my dream combination of

3G / UMTS option in addition to WiFi

Pen support

and keyboard dock with extra battery extending the running time

.

The only downsize is the weight, with 750 gram tablets only it is really heavy but whole life is compromise.

Another curiosity for me is why nobody is offering the Windows 8 tablets with iCore processors AND KEYBOARD DOCK WITH EXTRA BATTERY? On that way I assume such devices could provide around 10 hours running time in total against the mediocre 5 hours as reported for now..
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
Forget ATIV we will see when it takes on note but I think the next challenger for note10.1 is going to nexus 10 which again is being built by Samsung lets see how Samsung can make sure that it does not eat into note 10.1 I think it will for certain not have samsungs flagship os intergration and stylus
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Windows 8 will be huge DUD with enterprise users.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/us-microsoft-windows8-business-idUSBRE89L03N20121022

** So will enterprises be spending big bucks for Windows 8 high end tablets when all of their legacy office apps are designed to work on Windows 7?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] banderos101:
I'd have to agree, not only common sense finance expenditure, but the headache of introducing somthing new, especially if you have a good sized number of employees.......its not a natural step like with previous windows versions, its an awkward one, and for those reasons aswell as others, people need to stop predicting microsofts future, too many variables
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tonyz3:
I agree but I also think the current app totals for both android and ios is very fluffed up. But yes win8 will need quality app s to succeed.

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This sounds like what you're looking for.

http://liliputing.com/2012/10/meet-...72-windows-8-tablet-with-an-amd-z-60-cpu.html
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
More bad news for enterprise adoption of Windows 8 from Gartner:

80% of Enterprises will NEVER adopt Windows 8

http://www.dailytech.com/Gartner+80...s+Will+Never+Adopt+Windows+8/article27998.htm

Windows 8 - welcome to the new Vista.

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The bizarre thing about Windows 8 is that it is an "upgrade" yet it is actually less intuitive and harder to use.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] samir_a:
So if you are using Windows 8 since December can you give the advantage W8 has over W7 and the W8 over Android. Now when you talk of office and how good MS office is and from my ammaturish knowledge I understand thats not an OS an application installed on the OS which will be there for Android early next year to.

What we are talking of is apple to apple comparision which I would love to get from an expert like you.

BTW I am using W8 for almost a quarter now it still cant get drivers for my AMD Gpu
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] marcxs:
I read the specs of the different ATIV:

-Ativ Pad has NO pen, dual core 1.5 GHz ARM run only RT.

-Ativ Smart has a pen, version dual core 1.8 GHz/boost? Atom, but only 2G RAM, how good does W8 work with low ram?

-Ativ Smart pro has pen, core I5 / I3, (4G RAM), W8, but has a fan and slits for the exhaust !

The Note 10.1 has a quad core at 1.5GHz, 2G RAM and pen input. I would never give it away.:angel:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] yumms:
Note has a ARM processor, ARM is vastly inferior to whats in Ativ Smart PC, which is Intel's Clover Trail processor.

Win 7 ran with no issues with 2gb ram, I assume Win 8 will too.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's a review of Asus' RT "Transformer." I think RT's going to have a tough time going up against Android and iOS. I also think the general populus is going to be totally confused as to what they're getting between ARM, Atom, and Intel-based W8 devices.

But for a device with a quad-core Tegra 3 chipset and 2 gigs of RAM, everything still feels a bit unpolished. Even compared to an iPad 2, apps take a bit longer to load and pages take a bit longer to render. Little things, like getting a text entry field and the on screen keyboard to play nicely together, or the package camera app, feel wonky and unconsidered sometimes. And of course, there aren't many apps yet, which can limit what you do aside from browsing the web, sending some emails, Skyping, Facebooking and watching Netflix.

For now, the Vivo Tab RT is only worth it for the person who is heavily invested in the Microsoft product ecosystem. This is a fine first generation Windows RT product and the promise is there. But the stripped down OS still has some refinement to undergo before its ready for primetime, and absolutely needs apps to really be worth a ****. This won't replace any computer—and honestly, nothing with a 10.1-inch screen should be expected to anyways—but until there are more options for media consumption, the vast majority of us will be better served by another platform.

http://gizmodo.com/5954243/asus-viv...ws-8-tablet-is-here-but-what-do-we-do-with-it​
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] marcxs:
Not really, I read a test of the Motorola Razr I (using Atom Z2480, single core 2GHz Hyper.) against the Iphone 5, dual core ARM 1GHz, sometimes the Razr was 25% faster and sometimes the Iphone 5 was 50% faster, in general the Razr was even with the Nexus running a dual A9 at 1.2 GHz.

But it had an impressive long lasting Accu.

The Clover trail Z2760 is mostly a dual Z2480.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] yumms:
"The Clover trail Z2760 is mostly a dual Z2740."

Thats not true at all.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] marcxs:
Sorry I mean the Z2480 which is in the Razr.

I found a comparaison of Z2460 and Z2760, most difference is the graphic chip, and that each core has it's own cache.

An other test between Clover Trail and A9 Dual both at 1.8 GHz, Intel is 5% faster than ARM on SPECint, 40% faster on SPECint_rate.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] fella1:
I'm really interested in reading reviews and hands on reports of samsung ativ pro model. Its expensive but having acess to full windows with the spen and a keyboard and higher resolution has me intrigued. Im not worried about app support on the metro app side because that will come in time and i find that i actually use very few apps on my note.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Darn, and I had such high hopes! :D

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I'm telling you folks. The W8 niche (if there is one) will be with convertible 13 to 15 ultrabooks with pen input. It will be the complete device and it will be expensive as hell. The only problem is that such a device will really be for the enterprise user but if 80% of enterprises never adopt W8, where does that leave it?

Nevertheless I would buy one as laptop replacement that happens to also be a tablet.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Anxiously waiting for a review of a W8 tablet with the Atom (Clover Trail) processor, especially the Samsung Series 5. So far, the reviews were either on RT or the i3/i5 versions. With 20 different upcoming models featuring this processor, one would think that at least one of them would have made it to the hands of the "experts". At least there are few that will be released on 10/26.