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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Big ZD:
Nothing whatsoever (given your comment, I'll just go along with you, as I haven't read it). What i have done is used it, and I have noticed (and a large number of others in various device forums) battery life has improved noticeably with the change from 4.1.1 to 4.1.2. You trust the log, and I'll trust my experiences and the experiences of all the other people using it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gavin-phelan:
Its hard to know if the nexus that been revealed at the end of the month will have this 4.2 or not it's highly unlikely that Google will not do it as every me nexus device always had the newest version of android
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 063_XOBX:
Maybe they're learning from the whole Nexus S update drama and they're going to update the GNex to the latest the week of the new Nexus' release.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
Placebo, at best. I haven't noticed a single thing different in 4.1.2.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] withbloodskies:
Then I tell you to try Mmuzzys stock 4.1.2 ROM. When I say this I'm not joking its the best ROM out there.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Stock is stock.

Tack a name onto it...it is still stock.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I only trust what I can prove, and placebos can't be proven.

I can't say whether you have better battery life or not, but I can tell if its from the OS itself. I didn't see anything in the changelog that would affect battery life. That doesn't mean I didn't miss it....hence I asked you.

Nexus changelogs are blow-by-blow git logs. You know EVERYTHING they did to the OS, not just what the marketing team from a carrier or OEM wants you to know.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...4-1-2-at-the-low-level-developer-commit-logs/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] withbloodskies:
Doesn't mean they don't do improvements with it, I've tried several stock ROMs and none compare to his. I've tried plenty of Custom ROMs and NONE compare to his. When I say I had 0% of stutter and slug I literally mean this. Battery life was a lot better. I normally stutter in the launcher and with Mmuzzys ROM or the 4.1.2 update I haven't had a single stutter.

If anything I can say the only thing that's happened in a 4.1.2 ROM to me is a weird WiFi issue. It temporarily halts my WiFi for about 10 minutes.

All I can say is, weather you believe it or not 4.1.2 works for me and I have no problem with it. I'm stutter and slug free.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
If 'improvements' were made, then its not stock.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] withbloodskies:
I'm not going to argue that. I'm running on 19 hours of no sleep.

Improvements and Performance do not contribute as a custom ROM.

That's like your telling me.. in the incredible forum that a person who made a stock sense 2.1 and put improvements and performance in it makes it a custom ROM. Its stock, you cannot argue that.

Well okay actually I guess it is a form of "custom" but its stock.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I think you are confused.

There are those who base their work off stock roms, and there are those who work from AOSP.

There are custom roms based on stock, but stock alone means its exactly how Google or <insert OEM> meant it to be. Your example would be a custom rom based on a stock rom. Not a stock rom.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Big ZD:
I don't see how X number of people sayin "hey, my battery life has significantly improved" automatically means placebo or that it cannot be proven.

Either way, I'm done discussing it, as it's an argument that I can't win without doing a double blind case study. I just posted initially because I figured it to be an interesting mirage that a large number of users are seeing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I did a blind test in IRC one day. I presented two kernels: Kernel A, and Kernel B. I asked the users to test the kernels and give me feedback on which one was faster, and had better battery life. I probably had about 20 testers.

I gave it a few days and got back with them.

70% of them chose kernel A to be the fastest and best on battery life.

Now for some background.

They were both the same kernel, built within minutes of each other. Neither of them were modified past the source provided by HTC. We all had a good laugh in IRC about it (the testers found it funny too) but it proved a very important point.

Placebo is a powerful tool.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Big ZD:
I guess, but in this case, nobody has said "tell me which one has better battery and performance." People are just noticing it on their own. Studies where users are allowed to make their own assessments without directed by narrowed scope typically have more reliable results.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I'e been watching this thread to see if folks find things I haven't feature wise.

I haven't seen an increase or a decrease. I went in with no expectations.

And so far...there is no change from that aspect.

Its really no different than when we release a new rom, and we get reports of incredible performance or battery life, when the changes we made would have affected neither.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bozzykid:
We don't have the changelog for any of the Google services or apps. Only AOSP. I'm not sure if the drivers changed in 4.1.2 or not but those are proprietary as well.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
This is true, but I am setting aside placebo possibilities and running 4.1.2 proprietaries and Gapps as well.

No change. Its no worse either.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ilmezzelfo:
Airdroid is the way
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MoosDiagramm:
AFAIK, drivers are part of the kernel and the kernel hasn't changed.

Since Google Now relies on the location service of Google Maps, they could have improved standby time with Google Now enabled by optimizing the location service.

...but it doesn't change the fact that the display is responsible for ~75% of the battery drain on normal use. You shouldn't get much better screen-on time without some black magic in the display driver.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] christophicer:
Better patent it or Apple will have invented it...

Sent from my Nexus running CM10 and Franco's latest nightly...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] miketoasty:
I don't know what you are talking about but judge Koh will make sure that is always true.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MarcMaiden:
I see a lot of criticism for this new double swipe for notifications.

here is my theory and thought:

on a 4.5 inch device, yes - this could be awkward or a bit of a stretch

for a 4 inch device - this could be really useful (Hint: Think Nexus 4)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
You sure you didn't mean the opposite? Not having to extend your thumb to reach the settings icon will be nice. The biiger the screen the more useful interactions like this will be.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gavin-phelan:
Its called the nexus 4 because its the fourth nexus phone I think?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] T-Keith:
I don't think so, but that might be nice. I just think it's a 4.x" screen, most likely a 4.7. It makes sense to name based on size but then what do they do for the next generation? Why can't any smartphone maker come up with a consistent naming scheme?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
yeah there is no way they are going to make the screen only 4 inches... what a downgrade that would be
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ferozfero:
all facts.. but the nexus 7 is named after the screen size..its not the 7th nexus.. i doubt itl be named nexus 4 even..google aint that confused are they...also the naming of 4.2 as jellybean itself seems wierd...i mean 2.1 eclair..2,2 froyo..2.3 gingerbred...then y is 4.1 and 4.2 named the same...??
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
You missed some.

2.0 was Eclair.

2.1 was also Eclair.

The first Nexus was named a Nexus One. Why not a Nexus 4, or Nexus Four, or whatever?

The screensize won't be 4 inches, so that doesn't make sense.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
You mean upgrade. I miss the four inch screen of the Captivate.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MoosDiagramm:
I think you're obsessing over the screen size not being precisely 4 inches. In the pragmatic real world, there is nothing wrong with calling it "Nexus 4" as long as the screen is between 4 and 5 inches in size. Calling it "Nexus 4,7629572" because the screen is precisely 4,7629572 inches large doesn't look good in advertisements.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I am not obsessing about anything.

I am saying that Google has never named their phones on size so why start now.

Plus why not call it a Nexus 4.7 if going by screensize? Samsung has done it with the 10.1.

I think you are obsessing over the name being related to the screensize.

You don't name a device based on its screensize and round down (or up for that matter). That is misleading and bad for advertising as well.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
No, downgrade.

If the screen was 4 inches, you would have less screen real estate than the Captivate.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
I wish the nexus one screen was one inch deep down. And the nexus s was s shaped screen.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
So if the next Nexus is named for its screensize, even though its 4.7 inches....

What if the next one is the same size? What will it be named then? Or will they bump it to a Nexus 5 due to screensize?

Will we see a Nexus 6 in two years, with a 6 inch+ screen?

That means by 2015, we should see a Nexus 7. Oh wait....

:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] raze599:
I think they are just following the trend in regards to naming. Right now everybody is concerned with numbers, ie iPhone 5, Galaxy S3, HTC One, so they give the phone a number as a name.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
No I mean downgrade...

huge downgrade at that
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Indeed. When is the last time a woman told anyone they wanted something smaller in their...pocket?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] msavic6:
I've been thinking about that leak that happened before that was determined to be fake. Which said there would be a customization center on the next android build. It would be a smart choice for them to include this. When people hear about android they always mention customization as a feature but the problem is if you tell an iPhone user to customize a android phone they'll change the wallpaper. People don't necessarily know how to customize there phone. Google should try to make it easier for any person, tech savvy or not to be able to customize to there liking.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] yellowfinii:
I could see that being useful on a phone, not so much on a tablet with a bigger screen.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bbiao:
The second pulldown panel is something weird.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
So people with Notes are compensating?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bioan:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...rogress-gallery-and-more-multiple-user-stuff/

L.E Of course LG will be called Nexus4. Here is my point of view.

1 - Nexus One

2 - Nexus S

3 - Galaxy Nexus

4 - Nexus 4
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gavin-phelan:
Exactly to my poibt :thumbup:

Sent from the third galaxy B)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Nexus 4.2? Happy?

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3devious:
You guys are such size queens! What if it is 4 inches but with higher resolution? I'm so old and decrepit it just want the damn thing to read to me now. Even the N 7 wasn't quite workable. Maybe I'm the size queen...:o
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
What the point of a high resolution on a tiny screen?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Give it a cool nickname like cornea burning display and call it revolutionary just because you can.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] evostevo1:
Hilarious
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
Pretty sure the main issue with the big screens is trying to reach everything with one hand. I like my phones easy to navigate one or two handed. When you're on the move two handed isn't ideal.. I find with the 4.65" screen I have to hold the phone in slightly awkward ways to reach the very tips of the screen when I'm using just one hand. Because of this, I wouldn't want a phone with any bigger of a display. I think 4.5" is a pretty good reference size. Not too small for content, not too big to be awkward one handed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
I disagree. I can do most necessary tasks one handed with little trouble. And gestures can make up for some of the long reaches. Two hands isn't even necessary except when using landscape or you're not on the go. I can see the appeal of these larger screen phones though. Owning a galaxy tab2 @ 7" and honestly it's just too big even when laying on the couch. I am hoping these upcoming 1080p 5" Sharp screens and the accompanying SOC's can get great battery life. The note2 is too big for my line of work and 5" is about the biggest I will go. That is one thing I love about android. Options. Are there even any mid tier phones that release with less than 4" screens now?

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] boostern:
Remove the bezel at the bottom of the phone and even a 4,65" display will become perfect for one hand.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
This isn't something we can argue about, your hands are probably bigger than mine. Everyone has different sized hands, making different sized phones being ideal for different people.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
I wasn't disagreeing with hand size but I think more people see the benefit of more screen real estate even with small hands. In most situations you should be able to use 2 hands if need be. I know I have to but rarely. Medium hands here with long thimbs. But most one handed situations like texting while driving or taking a poop, well, you shouldn't be using your phone with any hands in those. Android OEM's would do themselves a huge favor releasing a lot less phones and perhaps releasing two screen sizes of mid and high end phones. 4" is a good goto screen size that very very few will have complaints about. I think the market is gonna go crazy around 4.5-5" screens in the near future. If for some reason the nexus is a letdown and I don't purchase it, I am looking at Sony phones and.possibly the 5"ERS fixing to come around the corner.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
Well yeah texting and all that is fine, it's when you have to get to the top of the screen is when I have to put in a little effort to get there.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gavin-phelan:
Thats true
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
The value of a high resolution is completely unrelated to the size of the screen. The higher the resolution, the more clarity it is capable of delivering.

Granted, bigger screens require higher resolutions to deliver similar clarity, but that doesn't diminish the value of having a high resolution on a smaller screen.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zeinzu:
I'm sorry but... what?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
He is saying you get better clarity, especially small fonts or characters in different languages with a higher rez. I am adding that personally I think 720p is plenty even for something like the note2, but the tech geek inside of me is looking forward to what 1080p looks like on the upcoming 5" sharp LCD screens. That resolution is overkill but I hope we can set custom resolutions like PC's to minimize GPU current to run that high of a rez.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
that in no way diminishes the point of overkill..

on a 4 inch or less screen, imo 720p or greater is pointless imo

unless you're planning on getting the magnifying glass out
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ebagdirtbike:
Simpsons did it!! Haha
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
I hear ya there. I think the ppi of our Nexus is already pretty damn good, but I'm still excited to see the 440 ppi of the 1080p 5" screen in a store or something =P
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
It's no more pointless than adding more cores, RAM, Megapixels, Gigahertz, etc.

Actually, in my book, the only thing that desperately needs improving is milliamp hours. ;)

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
on a really small screen I think it is...

though I definitely 100% agree with you on the milliamp hours
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Talk about going from one extreme to another...and being wrong.

It isn't pure GHz making today's phones faster...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3devious:
Old folks like me use HDMI out like mad. You could give me a screen just big enough to navigate is fine for me. I guess we ladies like pocketable items that can do big jobs as needed. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
the galaxy nexus screen size is perfect imo..

dropping down to 4 inches would be horrid
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] IT_Blackbelt:
lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Well, doesn't android need a little more raw horsepower because it wasn't built from the ground up like the other guys? The optimizations though are software and kinda reverse engineering.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Yes. Android needs beefier hardware than the native OSes to overcome the performance loss from virtualized apps. While JB is the most optimized so far, its not going to make a Moto Defy run like a champ.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] isinisterx:
I think android just needs to work on its battery life especially when using mobile data. I find the battery sucks compared to the iPhone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MoosDiagramm:
At the end of the day, it still runs native code produced by the just-in-time compiler. The compilation step does induce delay when a component is called for the first time and the JIT compiler has less time for platform specific code optimization, but none of this should account for a night and day difference.

On the last I/O, when they talked about the changes of Project Butter, they indirectly revealed that (up to Jelly Bean) they didn't give a flying f*ck about adhering to vsync timings. With such an attitude, previous Android versions would have lagged heavily even with native assembler code.

The most important factor was that they focused their resources on new key features instead of speed optimizations in the past.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I don't think a night and day difference has ever existed. I think thats the iFans talking smack. However, it does introduce a performance hit.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tuk1maar:
No but our Galaxy Nexus does beat the Galaxy S3 in webbrowsing.

In webbrowser benchmarks my nexus beats every phone except the iPhone 5.

Gaming wise, even the new graphical intense batman game goes smooth on my nexus so there's no need (yet) for more GPU horsepower.

Right now I am comparing my nexus to my i7 Asus laptop on webbrowsing. And I must say that my nexus kicks some serious ass!

iOS 6 surely has massive optimizations, but I really hope that google optimizes Android even further so that our beloved galaxy nexus might even surpass the iPhone 5 :P
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MoosDiagramm:
Galaxy Nexus surpass iPhone 5 in synthetic benchmarks? Not going to happen.

The GNex uses a regular Cortex A9 clocked at 1,2GHz, the iPhone 5 has an improved Cortex A9 clocked at 1,3GHz and improved means more horsepower per clock speed (similar to Krait).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ilmezzelfo:
i hear there is a project for improve battery like project butter, but maybe is only a rumors
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Not even a rumor. A hoax.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] b.huss2:
On topic.....I hope there's a lot more to 4.2 than that. I already got the best notification and quick setting panels with BAMF.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I'm sure there will be.

There is likely to be a lot of under the hood work, just like ICS to JB.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
I'm fully aware.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Not if you are calling things like multiple cores and RAM pointless.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gavin-phelan:
I agree
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
To be fair, 99% of the tasks smartphones are used for the amount of ram and cores we have today is more than sufficient. Our Galaxy Nexus is a perfect case in point. With 2 cores and 1gb of RAM I have a hard time finding any lag on my phone..in anything. Beyond this point any improvement is mere splitting of the hairs.

There is literally only one area where it makes a decent difference..High end games. And I must say, high end 3D games on a touchscreen smart phone is a bittersweet experience, to put it nicely.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Sufficient, and better are two different things. Compare your phone to a quad core beast. They definitely are not in the same realm of performance, even outside of games.

I mean, look at the minimum requirements for Windows 7. They too are sufficient, but certainly not the same as a core i7 and 16GB of ram on an SSD.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
We need an omap a15 clocked at 1.5ghz dual and/or quad binned high enough to oc to 2.0ghz, at least a sgx543/544mp2 (or a sgx 6200/6400) and various dedicated high end special processors like Wolfson, dedicated video processors and such. And 64/128gb msata ssd just for hahas just to make sure we can kill a 3000mah in 2 hours flat. Sufficient.

But in reality, some of these specs with a15 cores, Wolfson, imagination technologies gpu sprinkled around with 2gb of ram, that are battery mizers and 5" 1080p screen with small bezels on left and right, not no bezel at all, and high read/write mmc with 64gb, SD card for hahas, nice full featured with big lens 8+ megapixel camera, with a 3000mah+ removable battery, separate micro USB with usb3 capability, separate micro HDMI, WiFi display, loud capable left right speaker on front of phone top and bottom that can used either upside down or right side up with the right programming and circuitry and antennas in top of the phone, audience noise cancelation all packed in at around 10mm thickness with hard impact plastic and whatever glass is the least prone to breakage to a drop. And stock android with soft Nav buttons. Could buy this phone and not even sweat looking at a replacement for 2 years. But who am I kidding. Corporations don't want that because if they leave a couple major things off this phone and a couple different thongs off that phone every year they get you into the belief that one day X favorite will crest the perfect phone and you won't buy one every one or two years. But then again a phone like that could be sold for not much more than what a 32gb apple costs retail and probably set the highest sales record in sales for any device in its category including apple products and the price would keep coming down as 10 of millions are sold. And a mid tier version could be sold for a couple hundred lower. With a media dock that has USB ports that can be used and charged at same time. Yaaaaaawn what a nice and never gonna happen dream because of spoon fed digital social media addicts. :rolleyes:

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
That's what she said! :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] speedyink:
When I see the S3 rooted and running cm10 or something I'll let you know. But from what I've seen so far, there's not really a noticeable difference in performance outside of games (ie. dicking around in android, web browsing, etc).

When my friend finally gets his ass in gear and comes over to root his S3 I'll get some solid hands on time. If I'm blown away or something I'll eat my words, but right now I find it hard to believe things can be much faster than I already have it on my phone.

Desktop Computers and smart phones are used for very different things... There's actually a good use for all that power. I can't see many people editing large movie projects on their phone, or using cad software, or building code, or anything else that can use as much cpu power as it can to render/build etc. Rather than me spout out all this crap about what I don't think people do on their phones, maybe you could provide an example of a good use for the quad core beasts. Besides games of course. I'm not being a prick, I'm actually intested.