yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
So, if I'm reading this right...I have to remove the last three lines of the whole script and replace it with that...which I would be replacing:

show_progress(0.2, 10);
unmount("/system");
unmount("/data");

And those other two parts...do I also add them after that? I'm sorry if I don't understand, but you didn't really specify...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mdiaz33685:
no.... remove these lines...

assert(package_extract_file("boot.img", "/tmp/boot.img"),

write_raw_image("/tmp/boot.img", "/dev/block/mmcblk0p7"),

delete("/tmp/boot.img"));

replace it with...

package_extract_file("boot.img", "/dev/block/mmcblk0p7");
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
Okay. Thank you very much! :)

So...what was up with the other two you mentioned?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dsixda:
Thanks! I didn't realize this was different, it was working before. Anyways I have changed it anyway in the kitchen. Please download version 0.223 for the fix and more updates.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
So...

Good news is, it was able to flash. Plus I have the Android 4.2.2 camera with photosphere (on 4.1.1! Sweet!).

Bad news is, it still has boot sounds, and still doesn't have the note2 camera. Multi-view doesn't work either. :/

I wonder also how you can make the launcher have 4x5 and 5x5, stuff like that... Synergy, GalaxyMod, and Jedi Invasion all have that feature...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dsixda:
Can't help you with all those other mods, but on my Rogers I747 it's /system/media/audio/ui/PowerOn.ogg, which should have been renamed by the kitchen if you used option 4.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
Aw, okay. I wonder how the heck they figured it out? <XD

Really? Okay. The boot sound that plays is the AT&T sound...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dsixda:
Oh I see... sorry, I don't know about that then. You can Google to find the boot sound locations... that's how I found all of them for the kitchen scripts.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dsixda:
Also, when adding CSC, did you choose to *not* install the carrier apps?? Those folders may contain the AT&T boot sound. I haven't checked.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
Okay, I'll do that. Thanks.

Uh...I don't remember. If not, I'll just start from scratch. Thanks for the tip.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mdiaz33685:
The boot sound,

Goto system/media/audio/ui I rename poweron.ogg to poweron.ogg.ori or just delete it...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
Okay, so...are you saying I shouldn't add the CSC when I generate the working folder? Somehow both times I accidentally pressed enter twice when it was taking forever and not giving feedback after asking for sudo password input (of course, I didn't remember that for the second time I went through it, oops).

Okie dokie. Thank you sir.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dsixda:
That's what I mentioned above in post #55. The kitchen already does that with option 4.

I would add the CSC but not the apps/bloat that come with it.

If you follow the instructions in post 1 of the S3 kitchen thread then it shouldn't be hard. Like I said there, if you don't know what to do, then select the default option. The kitchen has enough documentation as you go along, don't ignore everything in the screens and rush through it.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mdiaz33685:
I was on my tablet, didn't notice u already answer the sound problem... I always rename it manually... since I always change my bootanimation to take off the att logo...

Just letting u know, worked perfect without any problems... thanks for the fix.... :good:
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
Honestly, I don't think it asks whether you want to have the bloatware or not. :/

All right. I don't usually rush through it anyway. I read everything before I move on.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
You know what? I went and set it up just now, exactly as it says in your instructions. I went and only clicked the skip on "gcc: C compiler upgrade helper" (and it automatically selected all the other gcc stuff too). Of course, I followed the rest of the instructions exactly too. It still brings up the same message when I try to enter kitchen via cygwin! I can't understand why nothing works!! *sigh*...

I'm not stupid. I know how to follow instructions well. It still isn't working for me, and I don't know why, because it should.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dsixda:
"C compiler upgrade helper"? That's weird. You need the gcc "compiler" (under Devel) and then click on Skip until it shows a version number. Then you can install it.

That's fine if a selected package starts selecting other packages automatically.. they are dependencies so they also need to be installed.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
Okay, maybe I am stupid, and I just give myself too much credit. ...but even so, the only "compiler" listed seems to be gcc-core. (see attachment) After all, you said it's just "gcc", not gcc-something-else. That is what I clicked. "GCC". And it really only requires you to click once before you see the version number; another click and it just goes back to skip. (and back and forth with multiple)

Hmm okay. Something weird happened though...

Before, I was using Cygwin version 2.697, and it activated the others upon clicking of the one. I then downloaded the Cygwin version 2.774 you linked to on your kitchen thread; went through to that menu again and clicked the same thing, but it didn't activate any others. Very strange...you'd think "[if] they are dependencies", then they would also install, right?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dsixda:
Interesting, I uninstalled gcc ("C compiler upgrade helper") from my Cygwin setup.exe, and then re-installed it. Now I am having the same problem as you. :mad:

I'll investigate (Googling), but in the meantime it is way past my bedtime.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dsixda:
Ok, here's the solution for gcc on newer installs of Cygwin:

1) Install "gcc4" from the Devel section. gcc now appears, but then when it compiles something in the kitchen it complains it is missing a library cygmpfr-4.dll.

2) So then you need "libmpfr4" from the Libs section. Now the gcc compiler works. What a train wreck, seems like the Cygwin team messed something up.

Found the solution by Googling:

User complained about missing gcc:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2010-03/msg00905.html

User complained about libmpfr-4.dll issue:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2011-11/msg00012.html
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] DigitalUnderground:
Nvm
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
Thank you for finding the solution. Somehow I never saw that. :D

I did all that you said to install it.

...but it still gives me the same stupid message!!! *breaks monitor*

OTL

But to note...for some strange reason, after I installed Cygwin, it gave me a message that some gcc4-c++ or something like that was unable to install. Not sure why.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dsixda:
Did you at least Google the error message? Again, I didn't write Cygwin and I'm just like anyone else searching for a solution. This is outside my scope.

Did you try adding the regular "gcc" as well?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] xxScoobxx:
How long does it take for Cygwin to install on Windows? Mines been at 13% for 20 mins now, Its that normal?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
Okay. I'm sorry for making assumptions, thinking you may know more about it than I. (well...you do know more, but just saying...)

But I finally got it to WORK!! I guess it must have been that I was supposed to delete the cygwin1.dll in WINDOWS (as well as everything else related to a previous cygwin installation) before installing it. I didn't even need to install the regular gcc. :D

Ran the kitchen and succeeded. Thank you for all your help! You are awesome!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] mdiaz33685:
when I had a problem, months ago making my 1st rom, it took me 2 months before I got the kitchen to work..

the way I did it when it finally worked, was I formatted my pc and installed java sdk the Cygwin.. then it worked...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
Yay for /data/apps...not?

Okay so I know it's been a while and I'm just now deciding to state my newest problem I've been having with Kitchen...

So, to be fair...I have the latest version and it works great! But there's a small thing I would like to talk to you about.

When I cook up a ROM and create the /data directory and all that jazz...I figure, well, you can probably put all the good apps you want to install with your ROM in that /data/app, right? That I have found is VERY wrong. Every app I put in there doesn't get flashed with the ROM, though it is still bundled with it, which doesn't make sense...and it's a pain having to install every mod/rom/etc. afterwards too...

What am I doing wrong? I thought that was what the /data creation in Kitchen was meant for that, but I guess not? What in the world? Am I gonna have to somehow package my ROM and apks in AROMA and install it that way? (I know...to you that probably doesn't seem like a big deal, but I'm lazy.)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Rokonacdc:
Can you just package them as system apps in /system/app instead of /data/app instead? It seems that's what most devs do.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Silverexp:
I’ve been using dsixda’s kitchen for a long time, but haven’t used on a daily basis for a while. If you’re attempting to place apk files in \\data\app folder, make sure there is no required lib for those apk and no spaces in the file name, YouTube 4.5.17.apk would change to YouTube4.5.17.apk. There are some apk files that have to stay in \\system\app and some you can move out.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascyndaeon:
You know, I'm pretty sure that I /can/ (and I have before, obviously), but I think that the last time I tried doing that, the apps ended up not working or something...it's strange. I think I remember though that Xposed and Adobe Flash didn't install or something when I /did/ do that, and TrevE Mod was also messed up, but others such as Root Browser and Fast Notepad did install...it was very confusing.

Thanks, I'll keep this in mind... although this does not apply to any of the apps I currently have in there, because they don't have spaces and don't seem to require any libs (such as, say, WifiTether_TrevE_Mod_11_22_2012.apk and XposedInstaller_2.1.3.apk & XposedAppSettings-0.2.1.apk)...
[Android General] lui1969:
Hello everyone, sorry for my English, I use google translator

I have a dual sim N8000 these are the features of the mobile phone

Model Number e1808_v75_jbl1_5640

Android Version 4.0.4

Version Baseband MAUI.11AMD.W11.50.SP.V14,2012/07/27

Version Kernel 3.0.13

Build E108_V75_JBL1_5640_20120730

you can not have the permissions to root this phone, I tried this guide

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1695210

but nothing happens, root permissions are not, I tried superuser 2.3 but nothing happens the same thing, I can not get root permissions

Can you help me please

thanks to all
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] arcatarc:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32867696#post32867696

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[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Sigray:
Tried, it works. Thanks.

Is it better than the JB adreno drivers?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Ninoh-FOX:
I installed this and work fine :D
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] [W]ar[H]ead:
Its beter than drivers released a few weeks ago?

Wysyłane z mojego WT19i (Live with Walkman) za pomocą Tapatalk 2
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] GaboWinter:
Thread closed, on the OP you could find the thread in use, please go to that one for all the related discussion about the drivers.

Regards

Gabo
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] arcatarc:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32867696#post32867696

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[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Elessar76:
Are better than Jb libs that you posted las time?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] varunrocks17:
gpu performance is good in jb drivers but cpu performance is gud in these drivers
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] varunrocks17:
overall jb drivers r better than above given drivers.....more fluid
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] darkerm:
After flashing this my camera stop working also some games fc :confused:

I had JB andero libs installed and I flashed this one over it.

I am running stock ics .587 with night elf 1.5 kernel

Sent From Xperia Neo
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] varunrocks17:
bro believe me jb drivers r best for our lovly neo/v
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] darkerm:
Yes, I just tested and I find out that jb Andero libs drivers are the best :)

Now I'll just restore my old backup so I'll get back jb libs :)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] b00tbu9:
any Links to JB drivers..?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Pandemic:
Open your eyes dude, here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1896615
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] b00tbu9:
sorry I was searching in Neo Dev section its was in General My bad :eek:
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Pandemic:
No prob ;)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] ProfMozz:
Question: Does it work in Neo V as well?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] arcatarc:
Yes of course,use the xperia S version:thumbup:

Inviato da me!
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] varunrocks17:
ofcourse bro, tested by me..:)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] arcatarc:
8 June 2013 updated (Xperia Sx GPU Driver added)

8 June 2013 updated (Xperia Sx GPU Driver added)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] dontbelive:
My neo is now much smoother and more free ram also thank youu :)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] GaboWinter:
Thread closed, on the OP you could find the thread in use, please go to that one for all the related discussion about the drivers.

Regards

Gabo
[ZTE Grand X V970] venkateshprasannaj:
Dear All

I want to root my ZTE V970 phone can any body please help me

Regards

Prasanna J
[ZTE Grand X V970] wslimk:
i will try to serch for you.
[ZTE Grand X V970] venkateshprasannaj:
Thank you
[ZTE Grand X V970] wslimk:
http://bbs.malshenzu.com/read-htm-tid-90028.html

i got it but the link is in chinese, you can have a try
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Ghostfreak NB:
ICS drivers!

But there are JELLY BEAN drivers right?

How are both different from each other bro?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] arcatarc:
...because they are from sony,so they are optimized for sony devices..
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Ghostfreak NB:
So how's the performance

And optimised for games???

As other drivers of JB were good for games

And any difference in Benchmarks?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] tanmoyroy:
JB adreno driver is better....

V3 gives even more benchmark than V1...

will test this one and report...till then pls wait

this driver gives 4020 in antutu where as with the same settings adreno JB V3 gives 4140 in antutu..

settings was Rom:jellysandwich 6.1/cpu max @1.4GHz, min @ 245MHz ...govornor ondemand and I/O scheduler:sio

with "performance" govornor results are not much different..4090...which is actually less
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Suranjan16049:
can u gv me d link for v3?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Ghostfreak NB:
It's already in Neo V dev section pls check it bro !

Nvm here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1896615

Increase Graphics Performance (New adreno drivers)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] vishal_android freak:
thanks for the link bro.. I guess you should update the op with direct link.. for now it goes to some other link and then we need to go to main thread for download.. ;)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] thatsupnow:
Hey guys this is just kind of a heads up letting you know that dsixda's android kitchen works for our i747m! I was the first to confirm it for our model. I found the thread over in the t-mobile android section
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] aweosomeabhijeet:
Hey all,

Many of us are experiencing slow gallery issue in our Fire XT.

We can do it easily.

Required things:

1. Rooted Fire XT

Steps:

1. Go to g.apps and download LCD Density[root[.

2. Set the density to 140.

3. Delect "Always pply on boot"

4. The gallery is 10x faster.

try it and don't forget the thanks button

The resolution is also much comfortable screen seems to be bigger. :laugh: :D :good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] aweosomeabhijeet:
You can switch back your original density then gallery will b faster
[LG Optimus Black] panda_linger:
Hi guys....

I would like to REQUEST a Xperia Theme that WORKS with Zeus 7.03?

can someone please advice me on this?

thanks
[LG Optimus Black] theaks30:
try these

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1674368

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1397093
[LG Optimus Black] panda_linger:
THanks for your speedy reply...
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] Droid_beginner_student:
well,i know general things about dualboot..

but,i have some questions

1.After install 2nd Rom,can we change it? for example,i've creed in 2nd Rom,and i want to change with repencis,how?

2.how to move (or get) our data from 2nd Rom?

3.if we install another 2nd Rom,we need to wipe data,or not?

thanks if any advance devs want to answer :highfive:
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] savie:
Yes with install it to 2ndRom..

Just use 2ndRom go to /data then copy paste all or create zip/tar file..

Wipe data via cwm will remove ur 1stRom..
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] Droid_beginner_student:
thanks savie :D

i may use your kernel for dualboot :highfive:

and,may be sometimes i'll ask again

*Edit*

hey savie,i wanna ask your opinion.

it's better to use 2nd rom for daily use and 1st rom for test,or vice versa?
[Asus Transformer TF700] Linuxguy1:
I cannot believe the state of JB. Its beta software at best, IMHO.

Example, when typing in a gmail body, if you backspace, the cursor loses its position in the text. And there are issues with inserting new paragraphs and such. These are elementary programming bugs. How long did they test JB before they pushed it to the servers ?

Someone needs to push out an upgrade for JB ASAP. I suspect that ASUS pushed JB out prematurely to capture better Christmas sales. If they don't issue an update its going to backfire on them.

Is there an Android repository somewhere that has global updates, not just ASUS updates ?
[Asus Transformer TF700] Linuxguy1:
I'm new to the whole Android scene. I'm an experienced Linux user.

Why is Android not rooted from the get go ?

Why does hardware come locked down ?

I think Android would be a lot better OS if Google et al opened things up and made it easier for developers to contribute to it, especially prior to the major releases.

Companies want to sell devices. Why do they need to lock the OS to the device ? They already have the OS locked to the device by only supplying proprietary drivers to the OS of their liking. I understand that you might get users harming the hardware by doing illegal things, turning up the cell radio transmitter power, anyone ? But short of that, how is a smart phone different from a PC or laptop where you can easily do what you want with the OS ?

I think JB would be a better product if it was more open and everyday people contributed to its development. Imagine how much better it would be if it followed the Fedora development process whereby a few rcs were released prior to putting it into "stable".

And we could spend our time logging and fixing bugs instead of fooling around with figuring out to unlock, root and flash devices. It would be a win-win for everyone. What Google is doing now is akin to if Fedora (Ubuntu) closed their development process.

I think that Google is afraid that Android is going to get forked in some direction it doesn't like. However, if they keep going the way they are, its almost certain that will be the case anyway.

/rant

I find the wireless router industry fascinating. What does Cisco have to lose by allowing users to flash whatever they want on their hardware ? They have the best of both worlds right now... sell routers locked down for the average person and yet everyone knows how to flash them to build super routers. I think this is the direct the open handset people need to go.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Adi_Pat:
[ROM][IMM76][SOURCE-BUILT]★ ★ Android Open Source Project ICS 4.0.4 ★ ★[RELEASE★2]

Presenting,

☛ Android Open Source Project aka AOSP ICS 4.0.4 on i9003.

☛ This is pure ICS which I have built from Google's Source code. (As seen in Nexus Devices)

☛ This is not a daily driver yet, and it is just an initial release for Beta testers to test and give me feedback, logs about bugs and other stuff.

☛ I will work on this now and try to make it as stable and smooth as possible for daily use!

☛ I also plan to add many more features to this in near future!

What Works:

Calls (Send/Receive)

SMS

Mobile Data

Camera

Bluetooth

Wifi

Make Calls/Send/Receive SMS

Sound

Touchscreen (Fully working)

Vibration

Video Recording(Partially)

Bugs/What doesn't work:

HW Composer (Same as CM9) {Would probably need 3.0 Kernel or dsscomp + ION}

Video Playback(untested)

USB Mass Storage

Addition Features:

My Own Kernel with:

ClockWorkMod Recovery 6

ZRAM Enabled

TUN/CIFS built in

XZ Compressed Kernel (++speed)

Optimized CRC32 Algorithms

Optimized ARM RWSEM Algorithms

ZCACHE Enabled.

Lots of crap Samsung Code cleaned up.

Fixed loads of warnings..... (Still lots to go)

If you wish to try it out, head to the Downloads Section below!

PS: For newbies, this is not CM9. It is built completely from a new Source.

I know I cannot work on this alone! So if you wish to help me , feel free to do so!

Credits:

sakindia123 (For the inspiration :P :) )

dhiru1602 (For his valuable inputs and device tree as well as helping me out initally)

HetalK (For his motivation and support for testing)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Adi_Pat:
Change Logs

How to flash:

1) Reboot to recovery

2) Factory reset/Wipe cache/ Dalvik Cache (Not needed but recommended)

3) Install ROM Zip from sdcard

4) Install gapps

5) Reboot

6) First boot takes time

7) Enjoy Vanilla Android!

Note: First boot takes long, after boot up.

Switch to Android Keyboard

Go to Display>Settings>Disable Pulse Notifications

How to report bugs-

If you face any particular problem,

Recreate it and fetch me a logcat and dmesg log if possible. It will help in fixing up the bug.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Adi_Pat:
Downloads

DOWNLOAD AOSP ICS RELEASE 2

-------------------------- OLD VERSIONS NOT RECCOMENDED! ------------------------------------------------

DOWNLOAD AOSP ICS RELEASE 1

Flash the zip via ClockworkMod Recovery.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mathew1234:
Do I flash this with Odin?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Adi_Pat:
Nope,Flash it via Clockworkmod recovery.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mathew1234:
Oh man..:( would have flashed it if I could receive calls
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Adi_Pat:
I will fix it soon!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] LoLaTiOn:
good job !!!

\framework\out\com\android\internal\telephony

Very hard to fix

good luck

Can I help you if you want ?

I'm not a pro, but it's the thought that counted
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Adi_Pat:
Sure!

Sync AOSP ICS Source.

fork my clone my aosp-galaxysl repo and even clone the vendor blobs..!

And then build !

We can work together on this.