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[Samsung Galaxy Gio GT-S5660] iok1:
Well, dalvik cache wipe is unnecessary if you wipe data.

Sent from my.... Actually, who needs to know anyway?
[Samsung Galaxy Gio GT-S5660] kostas beatbox:
u cant brick ur phone easily! u must be soooo noob to hard brick ur device :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Heisenberg:
There's a lot of discussion about the differences between the Sense Camera and the AOSP camera going on. It's quite often the deciding factor on whether to go with a Sense ROM or an AOSP.

This thread is basically a side by side comparison of how each camera can perform in different conditions. So people have a rough guide to go by. I've taken a few images of identical scenes using each camera, and will display them together in the following posts.

I am by no means a photographer, or an expert on the science behind digital imagery. I just noticed the amount of talk going on about this subject, and thought maybe some evidence would be nice. I hope it serves some kind of purpose.

The images were taken using the highest quality conditions on each camera. And using the auto (aosp) or smart scene (sense) settings.

One thing to note is that the outdoor shots were taken a day apart. The Sense shots were taken on a rather cloudy overcast day, and the AOSP shots were taken in mostly sunny conditions. Even though the Sense shots were taken in darker conditions, they are visibly much brighter.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dustinhayes93:
Wow that supprised me... I would expect sense to be allot better. It does better in low lighting. But on regular lighting stuff it looks prettier than sense O.o
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
Here's a comparison . . . but this one is double blind.

I spend nearly all my time on Sense ROMs, but I happened to be trying out the new BrickBeatz ROM yesterday. As the topic of the AOSP camera vs. Sense was being discussed on another thread yesterday, I decided to do my own test shots.

I've attached one AOSP pic, and one Sense. I've cropped the Sense shot, so you can't tell them apart by aspect ratio too easily (only cropped it by eye on the phone, you can probably figure it out by this if you really wanted, so no cheating!) and also renamed the files, so you can't tell that way either.

Shots were taken in artificial light (compact flourescent) in my kitchen. So the lighting conditions are the same for both shots. Of course, its just a shot taken under one set of conditions. Having a toddler running around limits my time to do more. But natural vs. artificial light, low vs. good light, and a bunch of other variables make it hard to say one is really "better" than the other, unless there is really a huge difference (which I personally don't believe to be the case). Add to this, the fact that there are a plethora of possible settings (and they are not remotely parallel between the 2 camera types) making direct comparison extremely difficult.

So there is just one comparison. Try to guess which is which.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] phatalbert1000:
I'm guessing aosp top, sense bottom.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
I'll PM you the answer. Let some more folks take a swag at it, before I post the answer here.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Silellak:
I actually just jumped from CM10 to Venom, since CM10 Nightlies are having build issues (no fault of our dev, all upstream stuff) and I'd been curious about Venom for awhile.

I'm trying to get some good comparison pictures, but it is surprisingly difficult - CM10's camera is not bad by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe I can take more later today in better setups, but none of what I've taken so far is worth posting...except the panorama shot I took, where the Sense camera is the clear winner.

Overall, the biggest difference is definitely in the software...Sense ROMs still have a ridiculously fast camera speed, with or without burst mode, and I'm not sure any AOSP camera can ever truly match that without access to the ImageSense chip that I believe handles some of this picture processing for the phone.

Hopefully more comparisons forthcoming as I find existing pictures to duplicate!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Root-Maniac:
Top Is aosp, bottom is sense.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Silellak:
One other thing - the quality of still pictures taken while recording video is notably better on Sense ROMs. Again, I think this is an ImageSense feature...it's designed to handle the workload. AOSP ROMs essentially take a 1080p free-frame, but Sense ROMs take a picture at the standard resolution - though it's still definitely lower-quality than a picture without video would be.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] WarRaven:
I agree.

WR

Sent from my HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Heisenberg:
I'm gonna be honest, I cannot actually tell a difference in quality between those two shots. Redpoint, would you mind PMing me the answer?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
Done.

I'll wait a bit more, and see if more people want to guess. Then I'll post the answer here.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Silellak:
My guess is that B is Sense, only because it's sharper. But that could easily just be a focus thing.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Heisenberg:
I'd love to see some more comparison shots contributed if anyone can be bothered. I won't be taking any for the moment, had a few issues changing between ROMs (backups not working, Sense and AOSP, grr.. fresh installs causing headaches.. my fiance becoming increasingly frustrated at me having my head in my phone too much haha).
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] yobbei:
to me the main difference is when you are on a aosp or aokp rom you cannot set the camera resolution to 6mp widescreen and take advantage of the whole screen as the viewfinder,

it has to do with the call to getsupportedpicturesizes not returning 6m widescreen in the list...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
Okay, so here's the answer:

If viewed on the XDA phone app, the top of is Sense, bottom is AOSP.

If viewed on a computer browser, Photo_A (first photo) is Sense, Photo_B (second) is AOSP.

Surprising eh? Photo_B (bottom pic) is distinctly sharper, and its the AOSP camera. Of the 4 people that posted their guess, all of them got it wrong and assumed the sharper one is Sense. Personally, I would have thought they would be indiscernible, or Sense to be slightly better. So I'm as surprised as anyone.

Of course its just one photo in one specific light condition. There are a huge number of possible light conditions and setting possible. So of course, we can't make an overall judgement based on 2 pics. But its interesting, nonetheless.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Silellak:
Interesting! What were the focus settings for each? I assume they were both automatically focusing on what was in front of them? Or did you have the AOSP camera set to focus on the center every time you take a picture? Did you try tapping-to-focus on Sense? Did you try setting Sense to 8 MP instead of cropping it to match AOSP?

Not nitpicking - just honestly curious what settings you used :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
Auto focus in both cases. Didn't tap focus on Sense. Just a quick and dirty test, since I happened to be switching ROMs. Completely anecdotal and nonscientific. I was literally doing this while my 2-year old daughter was running around playing in the kitchen, and I was supposed to be watching her! lol

But I was careful to get as good a shot as possible in both cases, using default settings. One might point out that maybe my hand moved just a bit more when taking the Sense shot. But as far as I'm concerned, how easy it is to get a clear photo is part of what makes a camera "good".

Should be 8MP regardless of the aspect ratio, shouldn't it? But I used the "Large" (highest) resolution, anyhow. I didn't think of changing the aspect ratio when I took the shot, so that's why I had the idea of cropping it later. In any case, I don't see how it would make a difference. The difference here seems clearly a matter of focus and sharpness, not resolution.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] benbailey84:
Apparently aosp cam makes stuff disappear.

Sent from my Nocturnal'd HOX...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Silellak:
Good points, and thanks for the clarification. I'm hoping to post some of my own comparison pics soon.

Either way, it's good to know the AOSP camera is at least competitive, and isn't, for example, the Galaxy Nexus.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Silellak:
I have a few comparison pics...unfortunately they aren't perfect, I got the same time of day, but cloud cover is a bit different. I think it's interesting to see there's not really that much difference between AOSP and Sense, though - at least not as much as we've been lead to believe.

http://silellak.com/forums/6_AOSPCamera.jpg

http://silellak.com/forums/6_SenseCamera.jpg

http://silellak.com/forums/7_AOSPCamera.jpg

http://silellak.com/forums/7_SenseCamera.jpg

http://silellak.com/forums/8_AOSPCamera.jpg

http://silellak.com/forums/8_Sense Camera.jpg
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
Keep in mind, that photos taken outdoors in daylight (even on cloudy day) is not much of a test of camera quality. Even a cheap point and shoot camera for under $100 can take pretty good pics outdoors in daylight. Even if there is a big difference in cameras, you are much less likely to see it under daylight conditions.

To really stress the camera, I'd suggest taking test shots indoors, with only artificial light. There really is a huge difference in the amount of light between outdoors in daylight (even cloudy), versus indoors with typical household lighting. Plus, as long as the location and angle of the shot is the same, you can be confidant you are getting the same light conditions for the 2 test shots.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kennethpenn:
Excellent job, guys! It's nice to see some comparison shots.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ptesmoke:
awesome comparison! thanks!

can I has a piece of candy? :D
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Silellak:
Sure. I have so much left from Halloween still, it's kind of ridiculous. I blame Costco.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] :
I think in some features Sense is better than the AOSP camera, and vice versa.

However I am happy with either camera! 8MP is a great quality, and i dont notice much of a difference personally when I use one or the other
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] deepsouth06:
I believe when cropping photos you do loose resolution in the photo, may not have been much on this photo but you will loose resolution depending on how much you crop. When cropping photos you are basically taking away data from the file. (detail, resolution, sharpness)

So no the 8mp you started out with is not 8mp anymore. The more you crop from a photo the more resolution, data, and detail you are loosing to a photo. There are tools to help with the loos of data and quality when cropping.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] redpoint73:
If you are just cropping a photo to go from a wide format to a more standard one, but keeping the pixel size you are viewing on the screen the same, I don't see how there is any loss of detail or sharpness.

Obviously, if you crop in both length and width to "zoom" in on a portion of the picture, you are just blowing up the pixels, and it will appear as lower resolution (which will in fact appear as less sharpness). But that isn't what I've done here.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CADude:
I think Google's Oct 29th event tagline "the playground is open" secretly means...

That we are going to see several Nexus devices on October 29th.

Think about it. There used to be only one big kid on the block, aka the Galaxy Nexus, but now, every manufacturer can come and play.

I think we will see at least 4 different devices that day from Sony, Samsung, LG, and maybe one or two more.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tameracingdriver:
I hope its not just LG. I don't think I'd buy an LG handset. Even Samsung are not known for their quality control, but LG are even worse.

Personally, I'd hope for a Sony and HTC Nexus. A Sony Nexus with the looks of the current Xperia range, or HTCs with the looks of the One X would be great :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SocialReject:
This...

Especially the One X look without capacitive buttons. Oh god
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Smokeey:
They've been using that tagline for quite a while now. It refers to the Nexus platform being OPEN. Not multiple Nexus devices.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CGfreak102:
If there are multiple devices I want one with cdma and lte to work on Verizon, wold threw the play store. Ahh I love dreaming
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SupaDupaFly24:
Exactly..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
This announcement doesn't mean much to me, I'm leaving Verzion in a year and a half when my contract goes, no upgrade prices for me, not paying an ETF, so I'm just watching by.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Morphling27:
CDMA - nasty. Kill that technology with fire and kill it fast.

All future Nexus phones should be strictly GSM (LTE is part of this family, so that's fine) but CDMA is terrible. VZW and Sprint gumming up the release of 4.1 is in stark contrast to the whole point of the Nexus line. Google has clearly been in bed with VZW a while now and owning Motorola has furthered that.

Google should focus on Tmobile and such, especially given they launched Android here in the USA. I really really wish they would advertise the Nexus devices more. I get it's a developer phone and to showcase their latest and greatest software, but Google's an advertising company! Spend some cash, sell unlocked phones, push the idea of prepaid being exactly the same as postpaid in almost all respects and get rid of this carrier 2 year contract crap. I know they thought the Nexus One would do this, but the lack of customer support and advertising made sure that wouldn't happen.

I think this would tie in very nicely with opening the playground to multiple phone makers. Shows the advantages of choice, shows unlocked is how it should be, shows you picking a plan seperate from the phone is how it should be, etc.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
You and me both.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
CDMA is not a bad technology, read up on it sometime. That said, it was the carriers that screwed things up, not CDMA itself.

I think carrier loyalty is utterly retarded.

Tmo launched Android, who cares? Should other carrier customers suffer because of a device being Tmo specific? Tmo BARELY works out here once you hit the outskirts of town. That isn't the customer's fault. Therefore, other carriers are preferable.

What needs to happen is that the phones get sold unsubsidized (and without the BS markup) for all carriers, not just some.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] miketoasty:
This, if I remember correctly they started using this when the new "Play Store" came out.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CMNein:
Kyocera or GTFO.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] albundy2010:
I disagree with the nexus phones should subsidized by all carriers.

They should be sold completely unlocked and full price from Google directly. Screw the carriers. Avoid their 2 year contracts like the plague. Carriers should have nothing to do with these phones at all as far as I am concerned.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Thats not what I said.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] asb123:
I've never had an LG smartphone, but from what i've heard, the build quality is usually excellent. The software is LG's big problem, but as a Nexus, that problem doesn't exist.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
Just because Apple puts clever messages in their invitations doesn't mean Google does too.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] albundy2010:
Yeah my bad. It was approaching my nap time and I misread that obviously.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
All good :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CGfreak102:
Yes, i would prefer GSM over CDMA also. But i also like to have service that works where ever i am, and that is why i am on verizon, for how much time, well my contract is up 10/13. Hopefully by then other carriers will have a LTE network just as good. I know once VoLTE goes live i can see verizon moving away from CDMA but im stuck with it till then.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Thats going to be quite a while because of all the feature phone users stuck on CDMA.

3 years at least. I bet twice that long.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] malibu_23:
just gimme 4.2+ on my g-nex...enhance that SW so my HW will thrive and ultimately my UX is great

but for the event i predict a presentation on 4.2

announcement of the gnex successor likely the LG. Doubt itll be multiple g-nex that idea has always been dumb to me. more fragmentaion. diff chipsets, ugh. too messy. be simple like apple.

the 10.1 nexus tab

and 32gb nexus 7.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] unlvmike:
Who even started this rumor about 5 nexus phones being released? Google said 5 NEXUS devices not phones...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Definitely agree with most of this. Especially selling unsubsidized phones. The bonus here would be I bet apple would a lot more customers putting their phones on a scale and seeing what they really get for their gold.

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Lol.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] malibu_23:
The recent hoax's and leaks just made it fester and get worse. now people are convinced its true.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] albundy2010:
Google never said a word. The WSJ said something. It it wasn't them it was somebody else in the media
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] FallN:
OMG 100% AGREE! CDMA needs to die. Everyone needs to get their collective asses on GSM already. We're one of the only countries in the world that uses CDMA. Jesus!

Standardize to GSM like pretty much the rest of the world for God's sake and ours! :rolleyes:

As for the next Nexus phone, the more the merrier! I'm tired of plasticy Samsung phones. Hope someone else like Sony or HTC or even LG throws in some glass (on the back) and/or metal for a change! :D

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LOLOL! :D

:thumbup::thumbup:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] malibu_23:
So cdma need to die because were the only ones using it? Logical

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] InfDaMarvel:
It just so happens the USA, Canada, and Mexico use CDMA. Which is like idk, nearly all of the western portion of the world.

I'm expecting no sort of surprises on the 29th, hope I'm wrong though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
CDMA is used many places. I personally don't like it because the phones are locked to specific networks and one usually gets the carrier version of a phone, i.e. the HTC One X is probably better than sprint evo 4g and verizon inc 4g. Also verizons goal was to rip me off as much as possible while providing only half working phones....a lot of verizons phones are absolute junk when compared to carrier unlocked gsm phones.

sent from my tab 2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] subxero123:
How does Canada use CDMA?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
Japan uses CDMA too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Enhanced:
Canada uses CDMA now? News to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Morphling27:
Canada is on the GSM train now...

Also, I mean... since iDen is used in South America a lot, we can conjecture like, most of the western world uses the oh so great iDen tech?! (Not saying it was a bad tech, but clearly it has lived past its time)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
So do parts of India and China.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
CDMA isn't bad, but between it's disadvantages lime poor and locked down phone selection yes it needs to die. Edge needs to die and T-Mobile and atnt need to get off their asses and transition their networks so that is the base. And better yet atnt needs to invest heavily in their network. Their hspa could be ten times better and their lte and lte rollout is pitiful compared to Verizon. Not to mention the bands they have aren't all that great. Verizon and their blown out CDMA coverage makes it a better alternative for some at the moment. Atnt needs to invest some of that out of this world profit on their network. If Verizon makes a move to volte and gets power consumption down to a good usable phone, that lte that falls under gsm might cause atnt to bleed customers at the aorta and then some. And I don't think another iPhone exclusive would save them.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Yeah its a catch-22 for me. Great network and crappy phones, or crappy network and great phones.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I hear you man. I was on Verizon for ten years, it is definitely the best in my area. Straight Talk Att isn't bad though, I miss my old unlimited plan at times, but then remember the crap Verizon put me through with phones and the money I am saving now. I recommend it to anyone who doesn't stream music, can get att coverage and wants to use unlocked phones.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] InfDaMarvel:
All I did was search Google. "Canada CDMA" or "CDMA worldwide".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
Verizon made a statement saying they were looking to kill their 3G network by 2021 and having VoLTE by the end of next year.

-Brought to you by Marino's Galaxy Nexus-
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I believe Canadians over random Google searches with no clear timeframe. Noting that two (or was it three?) people in Canada said its GSM now...I'd say CDMA is dead in Canada.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] arzbhatia:
I hope there would be multiple devices! I hate the LG.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Because CDMA really is dead there. All the carriers have either built out their own networks or signed roaming agreements, killing their CDMA networks and going all GSM (and now LTE).

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Not holding my breath for multiple devices.

Don't like LG? Don't buy the Nexus. But then don't complain when the next phone you buy doesn't have the support and updates that a Nexus has :D .
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tibbz96:
https://plus.google.com/113238550815846424978/posts

Multiple devices basically confirmed by Google themselves.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
People are so easily tricked these days. Just because it looks official doesn't mean it is.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bozzykid:
That is not a Google verified account. Just some kid who created a Galaxy Nexus page. I can create a Nexus 4 page and give out a bunch of details if you want to. That won't make it true though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spencer88:
You'd make an awesome detective.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] usandthem1973:
Actually GSM is far more used in Mexico than CDMA. Only the two smallest carriers use it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MountainDrew:
There is still some CDMA left in Canada. Bell and Telus both have legacy CDMA networks, but they're migrating everything over to their new HSPA+ and LTE networks. The only CDMA left after that will be Public Mobile, which is a very small operator in a couple of urban markets, and they market themselves as a very low cost no frills carrier.

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Tagline: Unofficial Fan Page

Not confirmed at all.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] InfDaMarvel:
Being phased out. OK true.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
From the latest reveals in retail (Staples, Sam's Club) I would confidently say Google will announce a 32GB Nexus 7. Anything else is bonus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] albundy2010:
They would not waste peoples time with a event for a 32 GB nexus 7.

Hello everybody in attendance and viewers around the world on YouTube. We are launching a 32 gb version of the nexus 7. Other than more storage its the same as the previous model. Thank you for coming. Have a nice day.

You need something new to have a event. New devices. New os. New features in key apps/services like they did with maps/earth.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
A 32GB Nexus 7 is going to be a footnote on this event...