yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thunderbolt General] quickdraw86:
If you obtain your own device, VZW has absolutely no issue switching your device on your plan and letting you keep unlimited, I asked several store reps. And a phone Rep. About that very issue when I was thinking of getting an S3. If you supply/obtain your own equipment (VZW smartphone, not bought through VZW at a subsidized/renewal price) there's no problem. My issue is that I wanted to remove a dumbphone from my plan and it's the primary line. I can't do that and keep unlimited data on my smartphone line, so I'm stuck paying for a dumbphone I don't use to keep unlimited... Grrr
[Thunderbolt General] mobitote:
That makes two of us. They are such trolls!!!!
[Thunderbolt General] socalslim:
Wow!! You'd think that they would work to keep long-time customers happy. There are people there that can bend and/or break their so called "rules". I've actually had them do so before. However, most of the the people you'll speak to have no authority and/or have no idea what they are talking about. That's why when I encounter a problem requiring a call to Verizon, I immediately ask for a manager and refuse to speak to anyone else until I get someone who can actually make decisions. They do exist but are few and far between...

This is all really disappointing. I sincerely hope that one of the other carriers gives me a compelling reason to switch (ie expanded coverage area & better valued plans). If so, I'm jumping ship just as soon as I possibly can.

~Slim
[Thunderbolt General] ATurd2TheEye:
If that is true that would make a lot of people in the Bolt community happy. I am running Liquids ICS, but having all the right coding would make his rom run even better.
[Thunderbolt General] Kitten Mittens:
There should be a "30 minutes or less" type situation with carriers and ETA's on updates so they stop straight up lying, and if they get caught we get some sort of incentive. Seriously how many times have we heard "end of this month for sure" and then another two months go by with no word, and not just with the Thunderbolt. I've learned a long time ago not to trust them with dates anymore since they've lost all credibility in giving accurate ETA's, but this needs to stop, it's just getting annoying.
[Thunderbolt General] zoompastu:
HTC Rezound is an wonderful device!! It has been on ICS OTA since August. You'll love it!
[Thunderbolt General] xs11e:
I thought a lot about getting a Rezound but no kickstand is sort of a deal breaker. I thought it a totally useless feature until I got my T-Bolt but now I use it frequently.

I know there are cases with a kickstand but they're much too bulky....
[Thunderbolt General] wyckedfunk:
I've been sitting on an upgrade since October 2011.. (take that Verizon) still running my thunderbolt.. until I find some thing that really is all I want.. my thunderbolt will suffice.. sure there may be better phones out there now but my opinion is what matters to me..
[Thunderbolt General] ATurd2TheEye:
There are always gonna be phones that come out that are better then the last. It is the nature of the beast. Technology changes so fast now adays that it makes me dizzy. I too have been sitting on my upgrade since last fall. Before that I waited almost 2 years before I used it last to get my Bolt. For being a dinosaur of a 4G phone it is holding up quite nicely. So if ICS does officially come to us, good, if not oh well. It is a good thing we have so many talented people in this community. I applaud you all for your hard work.
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
The rep I talked to today said she didn't know anything about a new update for the thunderbolt. She said that Verizon is trying to only roll out ics for dual core phones and up though. I don't believe that to be true but then again you never know with Verizon. She also said that the phones with the dual core processors tend to have faster data speeds because of the extra processing power. I ask these questions because I like to see what they will say. I don't believe them about 98% of the time.
[Thunderbolt General] heath2805:
True, half the time they don't even know what the hell their talking about. Its pretty sad that most of us on here know more about their devices than they do lol
[Thunderbolt General] METDeath:
There's a good reason for that... We actually care about our phones, they're probably lucky to be making $10-12/hr and have to "know" over a hundred phones. Which probably includes dumb phones that nobody dicks with much, unlike smart phones.
[Thunderbolt General] PhoenixWing94:
I'm rooted and running the Liquidsmooth JMOD, but I just want this to be released so that we can get a little "official" assistance with development...

Working Camera, perhaps?
[Thunderbolt General] HTCVzw:
Hmm... I didn't believe the hype. So I called Verizon. Verizon Rep stated that all software updates for Android are from Google. She said that Google would be rolling out the updated. *cough* So upon hearing this BS I called HTC. HTC did confirm that ICS for my beloved Thunderbolt is in the final testing stage. :fingers-crossed: Can't wait for our awesome development team to rip this thing wide open and unleash the power of the BOLT!
[Thunderbolt General] xs11e:
Define "better". My T-Bolt running Virus' Infected ROM 8-2 does everything I want a phone to do and does it fast and well with battery life that's sufficient for me (which is why I'm not running an ICS ROM!) so what could be better than a phone that does it's job perfectly?
[Thunderbolt General] zero26800:
Final testing stage takes how long?

....thats what i would like to know. For all we know the final testing stage might have begun when HTC thought they would have it out.
[Thunderbolt General] ATurd2TheEye:
"Better, in the sense of being newer and have better specs like dual-core. " I agree with you totally though. I still love my Bolt and it does everything that I need it to do. Most of us by nature always want the latest and the greatest. That is why we as a society will stand in line for hours just for a chance to get that new phone or game or whatever the pick of the week is.
[Thunderbolt General] xs11e:
I know but I've decided to stick with the 'bolt until I see what the devs can do with the proper kernel and that means if I do spring for a new phone it'll be some time after the official ICS release.

Patience is supposed to be a virtue....
[Thunderbolt General] mobitote:
Patience in this case is a vice. This f*#kers screwed us right from get go. Somebody needs to light a fire up their butts and get them to get it together.
[Thunderbolt General] recDNA:
What bothers me most is VZW won't even bother to address the issue. All I want from them is an official explanation of the status of the update that HTC agrees with.
[Thunderbolt General] droidjunkie:
No matter what you ask, who you ask, when you ask, or how you ask VZW will always say that the manufacturer or google is responsible for getting the update to you. I used to have a (still do actually) Xperia Play, they released a 2.3.4 Update for it that completely broke syncing (background data) abilities and everyone and their momma was calling Verizon and complaining about it. We all got the speal of do a factory reset, make sure you have data turned on, make sure background data is on, etc. etc. When asked to talk to a technician or software person They gave the answer of "we do not do anything to the operating system that is on your phone, please contact the manufacturer as they make and push out updates. When I called Sony Ericson I was told they no longer made software for the cdma Play and that it was all Verizon. So in short, do not expect them to give an update about the update as they will just tell you they have nothing to do with it.
[Thunderbolt General] xs11e:
Nobody screwed anybody, you're not entitled to any updates, sorry.

Although with your attitude I'm sure you *think* you are.

How sad....
[Thunderbolt General] natypes:
Verizon called me about this too. Also said I could come in and pick up an HTC J Butterfly for free and keep my unlimited. Yeah, I know, awesome huh? Lol
[Thunderbolt General] donnyp1:
I moved on to the nexus, a refurd for $250 on a 32 gig phone. I miss sense, but dev work is awesome.
[Thunderbolt General] mobitote:
You bet I am entitled to an update up until I get of vzw contract. It is a 2-way street. They sh** on me, I sh** on them! Its all in the contract (not in exact terms). Deceptive biz practices are unacceptable. I wouldn't have a problem if they told me upfront we are going to lie to you and f u in anyway possible; atleast then I'd be aware of what kind of contract I am getting in to.
[Thunderbolt General] heath2805:
How are you getting that free with unlimited? Doesnt that get released in Dec?
[Thunderbolt General] dkindig:
Ummmm... You didn't catch the sarcasm in that post? :confused:
[Thunderbolt General] METDeath:
I did, since that was a Japanese only phone.
[Thunderbolt General] *BAM*:
Just another 'update'. Fresh as of today...
[Thunderbolt General] quickdraw86:
HTC's response is fresh, But still looks rotten to me...
[Thunderbolt General] droidjunkie:
I, to, am not happy with HTC but seriously? The person running the HTC Facebook page knows nothing abouyb
[Thunderbolt General] JaymzTA:
Why is everyone giving HTC crap? It's obviously Verizon's fault that we don't have this ICS update. It left HTC's hands a while ago. Verizon is the hold up...
[Thunderbolt General] BoulderGeek:
That's what I have been assuming.

I am pissed at VZW. Unfortunately, where I live, they have the best coverage and I do have nine months left on contract.

My guess is that when my contract is up, I will go back to TMobile with whatever the Nexus 4 has morphed into. I just have to hold out and be strong when VZW offer to upgrade me for another 2-year commitment (while losing Unlimited data).

However, toward the goal of ICS on TB, I wiped with 4EXT and installed the BAMF leak, yesterday. Seems to be going pretty well. Battery burns a little faster. But, all systems seem to be working well, no forced closes or reboot, in 24 hours. Skype video calling working with both cameras.
[Thunderbolt General] dbornack:
Try NuSense? Anything developed is better than the leak. You can strip it down a bit if its too heavy as well.
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
I see many people getting upset with the update not coming out. I ask anyone this if this update comes out how long afterwards will you even keep your bolt? With the prices of the rezound and gnex coming down. I see people leaving even if we get this update.
[Thunderbolt General] xs11e:
Why? Neither VZW or HTC owes anyone an update, for me the phone works perfectly with GB and now works perfectly with ICS (NuSense ROM) except for shorter battery life.

Until I'm unhappy with it.

Again, why? Because the new phones are newer, shinier, prettier?
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
Actually, they do, since they promised an update to ICS. But based on what you think of promises, I promise to send you $500 after you send me your phone.;)
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
Never heard the old saying promises were made to be broken? I hope you don't keep politicians to their promises or you're going to be one disappointed person lol.
[Thunderbolt General] geoff5093:
Didn't the TB come with 2.2? So they at least gave us one major OS upgrade, along with several fixes.
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
That's a non sequitur. ICS is the promise.
[Thunderbolt General] BoulderGeek:
HTC + VZW = Complete TBolt Failure

And I thought that Samsung sucked when it came to Android OS support. Wow, words fail to convey the disappointment and irritation at Verizon and HTC for abandoning the Thunderbolt community, all while making sure to milk the customer for every one of the 730 days we are locked into their shoddy service.

Verizon should be allowing all Thunderbolt owners to do an immediate, no-penalty upgrade to the Samsung Galaxy S III or equivalent. Terrible battery, terrible lack of stability, forcing the user base to root and custom ROM the phone (thereby losing warranty) just to make it functional as it should have come from the factory. Scumbags.

NOTE: This was an anti-Verizon rant, not in any way aimed at our wonderful development community, without whom we wouldn't have anything workable. I'm forever appreciative to the devs who have improved and stabilized my Thunderbolt, Kindle Fire, Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and other departed toys. Those devs know that I have expressed my thanks with contributions.
[Thunderbolt General] xs11e:
HTC kept their promise, ICS was developed for the Thunderbolt and sent to Verizon, Verizon, AFAIK, made no promise of ICS.

Stop the whining, it'll come or it won't, it doesn't really matter does it? I'm running Android 4.04, if you're not that's your own decision.
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
then people who had the Droid charge, lg revolution and the list goes on and on. You say terrible battery life? I bet if you put the same battery in the bolt in to the s3 I bet you would get the same poor battery life. Sure the bolt has its shirt comings. Hell all phones does. I remember when Sammy couldn't decide if the charge was even going to get gingerbread. This phone runs fine stock unrooted. One thing it seems all phones makers learned from the first Gen of 4g phones is the standard sized batteries don't cut it for these devices that 4g is just power hungry. So some good has come from the bolt.

You say we should get a free upgrade to an s3 due to all the issues this phone has? Now did you not have a 14 day grace period that if you did not like the phone you can return it for a different phone? So if you and everyone else couldn't figure out the issues of the bolt in 14 days then that's on you and not Verizon or HTC. You should of noticed the poor battery life with in the first few hours of use. I always laugh at people like you that points out every little problem with a bolt and then say I should get a free upgrade to a top of the line phone like the s3. Why not just come out and say you want a new phone and don't want to pay for it. A phone that's on the same level as the bolt would be the rezound and not the s3.
[Thunderbolt General] oreogato:
Rezound battery + liquid ics mr3 have been keeping me happy. No use waiting when open development gets you 95% of the way there
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
One must wonder why you're in this thread, if you have no interest in an official ICS release. It must be to troll, because you're deliberately misrepresenting things.
[Thunderbolt General] binkies:
To be fair htc didn't specify the year of that October so they are still in line! I do agree with some people though that I would have been happy if they let me upgrade to a rezound for free, but in all honesty I really can't complain about my bolt. Romming it makes it a beautiful functional thing. Does it have its issues, yeah, but to be fair what doesn't? My bolt has survived a swim as well as being dropped and it is no worse for the wear. To me that is a pretty good phone, and yes the battery is horrendous but modding makes it doable. Be even better once I put a rezound battery in. Al in all for the first 4g lte phone and having a considerable amount of time alone on the lte network I really can't complain at all

---------- Post added at 04:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:46 PM ----------

The battery life on the ICS roms for me was just plain ugh when I tried it last. Has it got any better lately? That is the one good thing that will come from source though is better speed and significantly better battery life. The ability to get an actual working kernel will be lovely
[Thunderbolt General] oreogato:
Compared to the sense leak liquid's ics has much better battery life. I usually get around 15 hrs with about 2 hrs screen on time with the rezound battery. The sense leak kernel was locked at 1Ghz, liquid's you can over or underclock, I've kept mine at 1 Ghz max 245 MHz min with no problems and decent battery life with the smartass governor
[Thunderbolt General] binkies:
I may have to give it a try then at some point. Does it allow for scalable volting yet? That will give the biggest boost in battery life I think
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Liquids build does allow for undervolting. For sense I would try using nusense. Santod has made some adjustments to help the kernel sleep better. The battery life for nusense is much better than the leak.
[Thunderbolt General] oreogato:
I don't believe liquid's ics build allows you to scale the voltage.

disconnecktie are you sure you're not thinking of adjusting the clock speed? If it does how are you able to do so? He lists undervolting under the feature list as part of the native performance utility but I didn't see any option to adjust it. I assumed it may have been undervolted by default
[Thunderbolt General] disconnecktie:
Use incredicontrol. It works perfectly. What he was referring to was the built in performance settings don't have that part implemented.
[Thunderbolt General] xs11e:
I misrepresented nothing, just trying to show you that your statements are wrong. You're NOT entitiled to an update, you were NOT promised an update, live with it. If you DON'T have ICS that's entirely your decision, stop whining about it, OK?

Like everyone else, I'm very interested in the official ICS release because the devs need the kernel to make their ROMs better but I sure won't run the official release and load my phone with VZW's bloatware.

BTW, when it comes, you're going to be SO unhappy because it'll look very much like Gingerbread since it won't have Sense 4.x but at least, when it does come, you can start whining about not having JellyBean.... <G>
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
Your words not mine. Nothing like an internet tough guy. A 14 year old kid in his parents basement jerking off to beastiality porn. As you seem to get off from watching people sucking donkey ****. Your like all the other jagoffs

Happy with a phone and then nit pick the phone when something new and better comes out. All the bolts I have owned never an issue but one and that was my SD card slot lock thing wouldn't work and only was held in by the battery. Other than the power button becoming recessed over time hardware wise the bolts been pretty solid. Some people has the touch screen to go out on half the screen but that's not that common. Even the software HTC has fixed a lot of issues with it. As far as Verizon goes never an issue and when they replaced my bolt I didn't have to get upset with them and threaten them. They was always the one that offered to replace my phone. Maybe because I don't demand them to send me a gnex or a s3 as a replacement.

So if you want to feel so big by such foul words more power to you. I had a good laugh thank you and I await your reply. Such an idiot lol
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
LOL. You are a troll.
[Thunderbolt General] xs11e:
and you, apparently, don't know what a troll is, do you?

So, you're a liar AND an ignoramous, wanna try for more?

I just bet you do... but I don't discuss things with ignorant 12 year olds so, have fun, liar, I'm out.
[Thunderbolt General] BoulderGeek:
Between mike.s and Dork Jedi, this place has become 4chan.

Freakin' kiddies. :eek:
[Thunderbolt General] binkies:
I think they just like one another and this is their way of showing it ;)

All jokes aside though I may try to go back to an ics build since the battery seems to be less awful. I will miss having a bottom quickbar that is scrollable though so I guess i need to find something that allows for that too
[Thunderbolt General] BoulderGeek:
I just installed the 11/06 version of Twisted's ICS ROM, and it seems to be working pretty well.

Better battery than the BAMF Sense 3.5 ICS leak. I did have to disable/re-enable mobile data once to kick the radios into passing traffic.

We'll see how long i can hold on to it.
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
You better look in the mirror to see who's turning this place in to 4chan.
[Thunderbolt General] arrghushakaboorga:
The 11/07 Twisted ICS ROM is working well for me too. Unfortunately, the front facing camera is upside down on mine. Anyone else having this problem? (Don't have 10 posts yet so I can't post it there)
[Thunderbolt General] BoulderGeek:
A brilliant, Pee Wee Herman-esque retort of "I know you are, but what am i?"

Brilliant. The level of discourse here certainly has reached some stellar heights.

Well said, Shakespeare. You can hardly see your lobotomy scar. Well, between that and the Down's Syndrome....

Back to things of value to Tbolt development:

Regarding the front facing camera on the 11/7 build, mine, too, is inverted.
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
That the best you got? Or did your mommy type it for you. Its people like you that gives xda a bad name. You need to come up with better material than that. If that was suppose to be insulting and make you look good. All I can say is epic fail retard.
[Thunderbolt General] John.E.Boi:
The drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm!

Sent from the Great Beyond.
[Thunderbolt General] pakkman:
its upside down for everyone
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
Don't feed the troll. Granted, his troll-fu is weak, but he's persistent.
[Thunderbolt General] BoulderGeek:
I'm surprised you and Dork Jedi have any time to post, Mike, given all the time you spend circlejerking and licking each other's genitalia.
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
Trolls seem to be attracted to this thread.
[Thunderbolt General] santod040:
LAME!!!

I'm personally tired of reading the trash talk in these threads. :mad:

What is the point?

Move along kiddies!

There was no update by October's end, period.

That was the thread topic and the time has come and gone.

Hopefully my request to close this pointless thread full of nonsense will be granted sooner then later...
[Thunderbolt General] imseanross:
Can all immature people just shut up and stick to the topic?

Thank you.
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
So why don't you follow your own advice?
[Thunderbolt General] weasel1:
I'm glad I went ahead and rooted because i was waiting for this update but never came. I'm due for a new contract but after rooting, it;s like a new phone with roms.
[Thunderbolt General] jizzyburnizzy:
agreed. ive been waiting since august for the ICS update. i had rooted my phone before but never tried out any roms, sure glad i did, dont think the OTA update will come at all anymore
[Thunderbolt General] underwaterjr:
Yeah it's like ground hog day...same day over and over still no ics goodness :(
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
Ask yourself is there really anything special about ics or are you more caught up in the hype of ics? Most if not all phones running ics are atleast dual core processors. The hardware has way better specs than the bolt does. I have ran the sense ics rom and the aosp ics rom and can tell no difference in performance than to their gb counterparts. Battery life is basically the same. I feel many people will be displeased with ics because they expect it to make their bolt in to a powerhouse brand new phone.

We seen the battery life of the gnex dismal and all newer ics phones has gotten larger batteries afterwards. Ask yourself does ics really offer anything better to the bolt or do you just think it will.?
[Thunderbolt General] Ionace7:
I installed the leaked mecha rom as soon as it was available and I thought it made a huge difference, so from experience I can say that for me it wasn't just the hype but ICS really was better. Granted a big improvement was Sense 3.6 vs what was available before.
[Thunderbolt General] Dark Jedi:
That leaked ics sense 3.6 was filled with lag and was almost unusable. Battery life was terrible as the phone wouldn't go in to sleep mode. 3.6 sense is basically a carbon copy of 3.5 sense. . I ran soab 3.5 and I couldn't tell a difference in 3.6. So really 3.6 is a hybrid. What is needed is sense 4.0.

Now santod nusense rom he tweaked it about as good as you can get it for not having the source codes.
[Thunderbolt General] quickdraw86:
Yeah, bamf leak is horrible. Nusense, on the other hand, works great and has much improved battery life and stability.
[Thunderbolt General] YZ:
Seems like it's hard to stay on-topic...

Thread closed,

YZ.