yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
See that is the problem. You think you are owed something, that you are entitled to something. You are not. This site wasnt created for developers to work for free and spoon feed users. It was created for developers to collaborate with other developers and LEARN how to do modifications to their device instead of just being "customers" if you will.

Developers (myself included) spend HOURS and HOURS working on roms and things all for FREE. I have NEVER once ask for a single donation or ANY money. As a matter of fact for one of my roms I told people who wanted to donate to donate to a worthy charity instead of donating to me

Like I said in your rant thread, if you do not like what the community has to offer then leave! or learn and figure out how to fix the things that "don't work". Stop expecting all the work to be done for you and be spoon fed.

99% of issues are user error and the fact that you claim to have a phone not work for 2 years tells me it's most likely user error in your case.

Before I knew anything there were things I wanted to do to my phone that were not "offered" by the community. Like themes. I would like something from one theme and something from another. Instead of complaining that this community does not have anything I like I learned how to do it myself.

I'm sorry to say but we do not need people like you in this community. People who feel they are entitled to something. This forum was NOT created for users like you although that's a huge chunk of the XDA population now.

You said in your thread you were running Cyanogen mod and it never worked right... Well you know the code is available for everyone to make and submit fixes for right? But instead of learning anything and contributing to the community all you want to do is take take take and then complain when it's not up to your standards.

Hire me, then you can complain to me all you want..But until then you have no right to whatsoever. You do not pay the salary of these dev's and you're not their boss so stop acting like it.
[Galaxy S III General] AbuYahya:
Every developer likes feedback regarding their project, be that positive or negative issues. This infact, aids in the development of that project. However it needs to be done constructively and not to under-value that project (unless the project is completely off the plot and causing harm).

This constructive feedback is done within the project threads. However when their is so much variety and choice of projects, then it is difficult for a user who wishes to find the right project to support to visit all those project threads. Then a single thread would aid in providing the enduser possible information to decide which projects to support, providing the feedback was constructive within such a thread.

From moderators point of view, there will be less threads to lock if those project supporters/ end-users posted in a single thread, where potential supporters would then look through to decide.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
All you have to do is go and read the OP of each Rom thread, they nearly always list their features, and read the last few pages of the thread will give to an idea of any bugs.

A thread will end up as a fan boy tit for tat, and the moderators have enough of a problem dealing with all the trash out there as it is.

I really don't think it is asking a lot for people to do a bit of reading, but with the lack of maturity a lot of users display when getting into discussions indicates that these threads will end in flame wars.......leading to the conclusion that it isn't the devs and administration that need to get their act together.....but the guests/end users.

So if you want to create a thread then put into words what the spirit of XDA is, what good manners are, and what individual responsibility and mutual aid mean......that would be far more useful as a start point.
[Galaxy S III General] droidis:
So, you say the community exists in order to improve the developers their programming skills rather to make e.g. working ROMs. So why is cyanogen providing us with stable mods and not only experiments as you claim? If this applies you are right. But as a moderator you should know better the FAQ as I am...

And here what is says, you can find it here:

http://xdaforums.com/wiki/FAQ

I think, I've already mentioned how much I recognize the work is being done here. And I recognize that this Web Site is the most well known for phones. I have paid for android apps maybe about 50€ and for my Galaxy at least 500€ and now I want to pay 500€ for the S3. As you understand I would not have a problem donating or paying for the work you do. I think the most of us here think like me.

I didn't say that I don't like the community has to offer. On one hand you say the reason xda exists is to help the collaboration of the developers, making their experiments and on the other hand you put the blame on me.

Good for you. So, I have to start developing in order to be able to make a phone call.

You don't have to be sorry. If you don't allow me to express my opinion and you speak in the name of all xda admins then it is dictatorship and I really don't want to be part of it.

I only want a working phone. How many times I have to say it?

I can hire you, If you can can deliver me a 100% functioning ROM.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
I'm not going to argue with you...

Read these two posts. If you have any further issues you can PM me instead of doing it in a thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
[Galaxy S III General] insomnia:
So whats the best ROM for the i9300 these days ????? So many choices....

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I kid , I kid :) Lighten up people.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
I'm working on a windows 3.1 port... But it's a classified project so if I tell you about it I would have to kill you :P When it's released it's going to be stellar! I will let one awesome feature out... It's going to have an old school rotary dialer. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] blazevxi:
I would say for most of it for the first part of your post, most questions do seem or are subjective or relative to an individual. I don't think anybody can know what you need other than what is for offer. I wouldn't know if you have the money or budget to allow for a Ferrari or if you would prefer a less expensive car. People can provide opinions.

You can prove things that don't work such as WiFi not working or a crashing launcher. I can't tell you how your needs would be met beyond what can be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

If you want to complain, I'm sure with constructive criticism, it benefits. You share your views, the developer can use them to improve or change what they are offering.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
I think I'm going to add these two links to my signature.....

This is something that alot of people are not aware of about XDA and I agree with those two posts because without those ideals, everyone can act like entitled brats demanding more free stuff as if they contributed anything to the development in any way, shape, or form.

EDIT: ok.. I can add only one... I ran out of space on my signature........ >.<
[Galaxy S III General] DeadSOL:
Wow. Just... wow! Those were amazing reads!!!! :highfive:
[Galaxy S III General] JohnnyEpic:
Will this work on DOS?

Sent from the Mars Rover.
[Galaxy S III General] AbuYahya:
@Slaphead @moderators

Following one from my last post then let me thank you for your response, I find that more appreciative than being ignored and I do understand what your concerns are, however, I still disagree with your comments.

If in principle we agree on the concept of a user supporting a development project and a means to seek potential projects, which I have been doing that since the days of WM2003SE when microsoft threatened to close XDA-developers down over the first leaked WM2005 device. Then let us discuss the pragmatic implementation of this and the means that you have suggested.

'The all in 1 thread' as linked below has 60 JB & 45 ICS active ROM threads. So going through these 100+ threads for ROMs, then their will be additional threads for Mods and Kernels would indeed be an ardous and tedious time intensive task. In addition many newish users would very easily get bamboozled and confused. Many developers also make the regular claims but in reality do not actualish them esp the claims of extending battery life.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1674286

The first part is true if no specific guidelines are set, however, if guidance is set as has occured in other xda forums, like the link below, then this 'tit for tat' does not occur. This method, infact, aids the mods with less trash threads asking the currently forbidden topic of "what is your best ROM etc"

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=24511165

People will still be doing reading just not a 100+ threads. I agree that there is lack of maturity and some users do need to get their act together but should this then impact eveyone else by forbidding such a structured topic.

It is the manner that such a thread is delivered and not the concept of such a thread that should be banned absolutely. The presence of such threads on XDA demonstrates that the Mods have some leeway in allowing this from the Admins.

I don't think this is for me to do, rather it is for the admins and mods if they see a benefit in it. Personally IMO the very users that you would want to read it would absolutely avoid it.

I realise that we are trying to move the conversation onto something more lighthearted but I feel this issue needs closure!
[Galaxy S III General] JJEgan:
Ok PM a mod lets get this thread closed .

1to 10 that the next post will be whats the best rom post .

SGS2 had in my view a well laid out Guide and Faqs that would aid the new user and give them a better grounding in the basics .However that would require someone to put in the work even though much would be cut and paste . But who wants to as the existing FAQS and Guides are not read by new users anyway .

Its the repetition of the same question day after day . How do i root >> where is stock rom >> when do i get an update >>what is best rom >> simply shows that either new users cannot see the basics or they simply do not want to bother but want it all on a plate .

jje
[Galaxy S III General] votum:
What ytou describe has been happenining even before I was a member just surfing the forums. This and Modaco were the only real places to find out about hacking phones, and XDA overtook modaco.

I agree with the many people who say the Best Rom threads are their own worst enemy. I have never, ever seen a best rom thread that wasn't fully of "you fool thats agaist the rules" posts. Why not give it a shot, lets have an XDA sanctioned best Rom thread.

Louis CK has a good bit on one of his shows that relates to this. He says, White people are not better, but being white is clearly better.

Roms are all free, and created by the good will of devs here, no Rom is better than another in that respect, but no one can doubt that some roms clearly run better than others.

My point, as a truly senior member, not just some guy who trolled for a few days (lol) is that a best rom thread has never been given a chance. Give one a chance before you condemn the idea, it would be a lot easier to clean up one thread than a whole forum right?

PS competition breeds innovation, I would bet money that if a certain Rom got recognized then the other devs would start doing real crazy stuff, completely new frameworks, adding new features, etc.

If you guys are really that worried about fanboys, start having a ROM of the month competition, limit 1 award per year.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I agree totally(almost!) :p..........and it was stated that when someone puts together the OP for such a thread and submits it for approval then it may well be allowed to go ahead.

I offered to keep an eye on it.....so now we need someone to create the OP.........any volunteers? Hint hint. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] zoot1:
Slappy you have written everything I wanted to say...

I do agree on one point though that some ROMs are better than others (as someone has posted above) but I disagree with the point that they should be compared...

XDA-Developers.com is not a Automobile Fair, where people come in compare the qualities/performance/components of different cars and buy the one which suits their needs...

this is a place where people compare notes on "How to make the Best Car suited to their needs"...Putting out that car to be used by others is just out of good nature and some appreciation for their hard work.

This is the point most of the people fail to understand!!

"Best ROM threads" will make this a place which I don't think any developer would want it to become. Developers need appreciation both positive and negative but in context of their own work not in comparison to someone else's work because this is the ROM which has suited their needs and may not suit anyone else's needs.

New members on this Subforums are not matured enough to make objective comparisons and do it in a way not to hurt the dev's feelings.

The most number of comments which you will get are:

"ROM A totally rocks, I will give it 10/10 but ROM sucks 3/10..the animations are laggy, to many FCs, bad battery life" but most of these things might be their own doing nothing related to the ROM B.

People don't know/understand what is related to what feature and would just come on to give their comments..this disheartens anyone who has put in a weekend worth of efforts in creating something.

Most important of all, Developing is a "Journey" without an end result because there is nothing which cannot be made better.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
There is another consideration as well.....most of the people that start moaning have not done a clean install, so they get bugs.....they then go on to criticise and throw a Rom into disrepute just because of their failure to install properly etc............disheartening for a dev. This is.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Most things are because of user error, plain and simple. ^^
[Galaxy S III General] AbuYahya:
@slappy

I appreciate you comments and can understand the angle you and others are coming from (except the person who wanted this thread locked ???)

I think most of use are agreed in the principle of the issue. I feel the way it should be dealt with is by setting a thread up titled something like

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"Your Favourite ROM/Phone Setup"

User1 :

ROM: Tom's Rom v2.4b DLIH base

KERNEL: ****'s Kernel 0.98.3 test

-Oc CPU 1600. GPU 633

-Lulzactiveq governor

-Deadline I/O scheduler

Mod: Harry's Oom's Config 3.1

MODEM: BLG8

Functionality: 2/5 - slimed down rom

Batterylife: 3/5 - 4 - 5 hrs Screen time

Smooth: 4/5 -Generally Smooth occasional gitter on heavy loading

Comment:

Good for multitasking (Games,Battery)

(AnTuTu Bench Gizillion points)

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Civilised, No flaming, base comparator should be stock base if available which would be 3/5.

The Feedback is not about a single Rom but the whole setup which no doubt influences it.

Its subjective -but that's what user reviews are its limitations are realised by (most) readers.
[Galaxy S III General] rorreo:
I shouldn't of done that I wasn't thinking should of finished reading the rules and guidelines before I tried to make a poll, it creates or can create tension amongst fellow devs
[Galaxy S III General] jayharper08:
I am against the "Best Rom Threads". Always have been. The problems have all been stated in here already.

Roms, kernels, etc. all run differently on a phone. What you have installed, how much memory you have, what "script" you're currently running (if you believe in that :p) are all factors which will affect how fast it is on your phone, how battery life will be, etc. There are just too many varying factors to say "OMG Dis ROm iz dA BeStssss!!!!1111!!!!"

The fanboy-ism I have seen in my day is a little troubling sometimes. You will get a couple members that took offense when the Dev got a little aggressive because they asked a "simple" question (which if they would have read the OP, would have known). Now, 1 month later JohnnyMember is trolling said dev's thread and bashing his rom every chance he gets, which will undoubtedly spill over into the "best rom" thread. It never turns out well.

No matter how many we close or how many stickies we have, we will still get about 5 of these threads a day. Users will not want to READ and will just want a fast answer and start their own thread, because well, their thread will be different of course. They won't take the time to inform themselves and try them out. I think this thread by Graffix is the best possible solution for right now. Will put the word out that we are not allowing it as they never turn out well, and there is no "right" answer for these questions being asked.

Sorry for the massive post. :laugh:

/End Rant

TL;DR: My opinion is this is the best course of action right now. :cool:
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
@jayharper08

Laughing at your rant.....struck me that this thread is now where people that hate best Rom threads come to let off a bit of steam! Ironically also the number of best Rom threads seems to be trailing off considerably!

One can only laugh and carry on regardless, hoping the message will get across to, at least,a few people :D
[Galaxy S III General] marius_rg:
it would have been useful though to have a thread with a comparison for the majority of kernels at least, to see which does each one and have it in one place.....rather than digging through the entire forum to search for them.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
reading and researching is part of "the journey".......(see forum rules)
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Take deep breaths slappy........do not explode :p ;)
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
calm personified!

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Yeah, you look peaceful ;) like a bear abruptly awoken from his slumber ;)
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
I tried the banging of the head... You only end up with a major headache and people still will post best rom threads.. which then in turn makes the headache worse. :D

I think I'm going to take the Jay and Silent bob approach... get a list and start individually visiting each and every person who posts a best rom thread and tell them the best rom is my foot in their ass.. hahaha
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I saw you banging your head earlier on...........but look on the bright side, we aren't getting nearly as many now, so somethings working! ;)
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
You can also try doing a chuck norris-esque round house kick from hell.
[Galaxy S III General] BitzlSchnitzl:
i guess noobs like to ask these things because they want to find out quickly.

how about a thread stating each ROMs popularity?

views, threads or downleads should be the counter.

Most popular does not equal best, but its a start for looking into roms...
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
if you actually check out the rom threads, you can see how many views and posts + ratings on the thread.

In terms of downloads, that's something that's a little harder to track since some devs offer direct download AND torrent download so the number becomes more..... nebulous.

EDIT: For example: Omega v28 has 27,975 replies and 4,275,862 views as of this edit. It is rated 5 stars (although the number of votes are unknown). Lastly it also provides pictures of what it looks like as well as proper changelog of for each version change.
[Galaxy S III General] graffixnyc:
Okay I have my response for the next best rom thread created.. For once I think I want someone to post one.. Hahahha

Maybe I shouldn't have said that. :p
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
DON'T DO IT! YOU MIGHT BREAK SOME MINDS!!!

or get lots of lulz.......:laugh:
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I'm.....seriously....tempted! :D
[Galaxy S III General] mossy1963:
anyone daft enough to start the same thread will be too daft to read this thread and heed your warning...same old case of preaching to the converted I'm afraid.....but your post is intriguing...certainly worth setting a trap for someone to do it and see what you have in mind though :)
[Galaxy S III General] JJEgan:
Eased off the best rom posts this week . Its lets post the same question all over the place and lets ask the same basic questions and not bother reading the Sticky's FAQS and Guides .

Its really beyond hope unless someone comes in and starts the double tap method of dealing with naughty people .

jje
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
We will triumph! We have stoicism on our side! Have a break, have a Kit Kat, and back to the afray brethren! ;)
[Galaxy S III General] mikep99:
Happy days with this result :)

I've been active on these forums for some time now and have been frustrated myself with some of the posts.

Is there any way that this thread can always be showed as unread?

Rather than bumping it daily...

Just an idea, might give more visibility to newcomers....
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
It's a sticky ;)
[Galaxy S III General] mikep99:
I understand that Slappy :)

The more visibility the better I say!!

Whats next on the to-do list?

I'm seeing lots of 'my phone doesn't boot'. A simple wipe will sort it most of the time..

Is it worth having a sticky for this?

Its in most of the Rom threads but.....

Oh, and another....

Can I flash x over y?? With/without wipe...

People not putting in a few minutes of reading is really dragging the forums down...

I wish they're was an easy fix to sort this..

Keeps the mods busy though :) ( light hearted comment)...

Edit http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32971966
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
well it's a hard balancing act between welcoming new people and gently steering them in the right direction, and keeping the lid on the worst of it. The only solution really is to keep on plodding away at it, trying to maintain dignity and civility, and lead the way setting the best example one can.

.....and then go to the general thread and let off steam, have a laugh and kick back....:D
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
can I suggest this sticky to also be present in the Q&A forum as well? It seems that the best rom threads have started to populate there as well...
[Galaxy S III General] blazevxi:
People are starting to be clever with their best rom threads now. It's like a game of cat and mouse
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
sad but true.

People tend to "read" but ignore the rules because they were too lazy to search properly.
[Galaxy S III General] brettule:
Isn't this the point of a poll/survey? This would at least show the most popular ROMs which gives a pretty good starting point for those of us looking to try out some stable, quality ROMS..
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
you can see how popular it is from how many views/post that you see for each rom. it's not that hard... there is also a thread that breaks down what kind of roms are available as well as if it's tw, aosp, cm based aokp based etc.