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[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Well, if were voting here

-There should be mention of LONG TERM BENIFIT, instead of what we have, short term sightedness.........but more eloquantly put,

I would also like to see this, id like to see the community add input, critizism, agreements, and amendments on such a letter, whether they listen, who knows
[Galaxy S III General] Agoneous:
The letter:

Dear Samsung,

...The ****? Seriously. . . . Respect my authorator...

Sincerely,

Humanity.
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
I see where your going with this...............ahh.continue :D
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
[slow clap]Brilliant.... :rolleyes:[/slow clap]

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[Galaxy S III General] Agoneous:
On a more serious note, however:

It's warm summer evening in ancient Greece. . . .

-- ok you you had to see that one coming.

So,

Dear Samsung,

It's a warm summer evening in ancient Greece, and what is the people's main concern? The sharing of knowledge, progress and evolution - the natural order of things.

Ah screw it, I'll just copy-paste what I wrote on Sammy Facebook page a week ago.

"For humanity's continuing progress we need to be open with one another.

These stones put before us aren't helping - rather, they're detrimental to our ongoing development.

If history has taught us anything it's that for all intents and purposes xenophobia results in the crippling of the natural order of things.

Do what you know in your 'heart' is the right thing to do. Openness is key to efficiency and productivity. Full open source. Hide nothing. Be the truly bigger 'company'. Stand out from the rest of the herd. Be one with the people. Be ethical."

The sad thing is that I only received one (that's "1" for emphasis) like for that post. >_> I strive for the better good. Ethics, morals are our everything. **** proprietary s.h.i.t. Those who don't share have a special page in my little black book.

Edit: And **** censorship. So **** Xda for censoring my cuss words. I love them. They serve a useful function. Let. Them. Be.
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Hmmm... I thought main concern for Greece was budget deficit.
[Galaxy S III General] labbe-:
not for ancient Greece, though :highfive:
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I guess they could solve it easier if they left the Economic and Monetary Union of the European Union (or EMU, for short)
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Lmao. Looks like I just started "Flame the EU/EEC" topic.
[Galaxy S III General] Agoneous:
...Just to be sure, did anyone actually go over the two references I made...?
[Galaxy S III General] Turbotab:
I HAZ NO MONEYZ PLS LEAVE
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
With my advancing years I can't read purple on black, so although I'm sure it was very eloquent, you'll get no likes from me.
[Galaxy S III General] Agoneous:
It's purple on white here. My bad. I'll copy paste using black and huge font:

Dear Samsung,

"For humanity's continuing progress we need to be open with one another.

These stones put before us aren't helping - rather, they're detrimental to our ongoing development.

If history has taught us anything it's that for all intents and purposes xenophobia results in the crippling of the natural order of things.

Do what you know in your 'heart' is the right thing to do. Openness is key to efficiency and productivity. Full open source. Hide nothing. Be the truly bigger 'company'. Stand out from the rest of the herd. Be one with the people. Be ethical."

Sincere regards,

We The People.
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Lol, with my advancing years I have forgotten I'm using the dark theme which explains everyone's apparent questionable colour choices.
[Galaxy S III General] Agoneous:
I can't stop giggling every time I see "Senior Member" under your username with what you said in mind. Boy am I glad to be 22. . . .

Still, for future reference, you could highlight the text by selecting it. Or going all "ctrl+a." Hope that helps.
[Galaxy S III General] gavin-phelan:
Hope they give us the god damn sources im getting pissed off now
[Galaxy S III General] avocco:
Dear Samsung.

Let me first start by saying that I am a member of the XDA Developers community, which consists of over 4 million users worldwide. We live and breath phones here and everything relating to them. We customise, modify and develop software for these devices.

We are not your average users, we are often referred to as the "phone guy". Just like when you want to buy a computer you goto the "computer guy" anyone who often wants a phone comes to us.

We are the ones who tell the average user what phone to buy and what to stay away from, we are your unofficial sales men. In the last year I have directly influenced 11 people into buying a Samsung device and I am only 1 of the 4 million users of XDA.

We love your devices and the hardware engineering behind them. But we are individuals, and we love our phones to reflect that. Each of us will customise our phones in the way it suits us best. Whether it's speed or more functions we will customise.

Originally Samsung devices were far easier to develop for compared to the competition. It is because of this that we recommended your devices and it was because of this that we bought them for ourselves.

This is no longer the case, Sony who was at one point one of the worst to develop for is now among the best. One our senior devs who will influence a great many of us, has left Samsung for Sony.

What we require are sources to develop for your devices, nothing more and nothing less. We want the most from the hardware that you have so beautifully engineered.

I who would never buy from Sony due to there poor developer support am now considering this very option. Please help us in helping you and keeping Samsung at the top.

Kind regards

( I was bored so had plenty of time. It may not be perfect but a start... Well I hope anyway )
[Galaxy S III General] :
Very well written. I found a typo if this will be used officially. You are missing 'of' between 'one' and 'our' in the 6th paragraph. Thanks much. Oh, might also be good to put a comma after devs in that same sentence.
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Well done, top of the class :D
[Galaxy S III General] Agoneous:
ROFL!
[Galaxy S III General] zoot1:
On Samsung's Facebook Page my 2 cents

My 2 cents
[Galaxy S III General] :
Great letter! :D

I posted it on Samsung Korea Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/SamsungTomorrow/posts/10151259419041488
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
If any devs want to chime in with a sentence or two or a soundbite, or perhaps an endorsement of this petition that we can quote, if your wiling, would give the petition a boost no doubt, having dev support, in a quotable sense

Edit, perhaps we can ask nicely xda (and other site) devs for for their indorsement of this petition, only if their willing, i certainly do not want to pressure our great devs ..........it gives us something active to do, and at least we can see something getting done, as opposed to samsungs wait and see

Maybe, someone can give us an "eloquent" ...........recruit the devs post

:D
[Galaxy S III General] Davanzze:
Start a petition on facebook?
[Galaxy S III General] :
OP updated - this is now the OSRC inquiry letter. :D
[Galaxy S III General] bortak:
OMG LIKE DIS IF U WANT SAMSNG TO RELESE DRYVERS FOR EXANOS. IF U DONT DEN U R GAY AND WILL BURN IN HELllll!!!! ♥♥♥♥♥
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I can actually imagine someone posting this. :silly:
[Galaxy S III General] bortak:
SRSLY GUYZ I WANTZ CM10 ON MY s33333333333333333!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3

That's why you can't have a Facebook petition.... :)
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
You can't have a Facebook anything :p

Facebook stuff doesn't make for seriousness.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Do you have other ideas to contact Samsung? :confused:
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I'm not saying Facebook doesn't work, it's just that they might not take it seriously if some people write immaturely and make immature petitions like the above posted described. Maybe emailing would work? I don't know. I have no emails of use.

Maybe we would see results by continuing to flood Facebook, Twitter and/or other social medias since directly contacting them doesn't seem to bear any fruit. Maybe calling them would help, if like tens of thousands bombed their phone lines. :p
[Galaxy S III General] Agoneous:
I just had an epiphany! This is what we tell Samsung.

"Dear Sammy,

By not supporting the community you're no better than Apple."

'Nuff said.
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
Don't we have a way already? To contact Samsung that is? Steve Kondik? Ofc I understand that Steve is currently working for Samsung and he in no way should sacrifice or tarnish his rep within the company but he if anyone should at least know more than us? Because I reckon the people codeworkx talked to already knows the gist of our cause.

But anyway Steve, anyone asked for a bone? I think that should be possible. And then again he has probably already tried as well and feeding one of us with a tunnel into Samsung might be a stupid idea no matter how well versed the person might be.
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Personalised, kindly spoken emails from xda users may help, how much, who knows, but it would have to be to someone who has influence and an open mind in samsung, problem is, who is that? A question worth asking when writing anything to samsung, who can i contact? Keep asking as a side note, and dont stop at a generic answer, i dont mean spam, ask the question on fb, and if you end up writing something twitter, ask again, .............hopefully, samsung are in fact "getting things done", if not ..........
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Bump first post for those who've not seen the changes, and a big thankyou to AntonLiv92, for starting this thread and the continued effort to keep the wheels spinnig, whatever may or may not come of it................THIS TIME.............im sure some at samsung wont forget the effort, perhaps opening some minds up for the next time, but i hope, THIS one, is the time, but if not, we rest, we sleep, we GROW :good::good::good:
[Galaxy S III General] Agoneous:
He works for Samsung USA so it's not guaranteed to work since the HQ is in SK. He'd have to have some serious connections to get that to work. But it's worth a try. Who wants to try giving Mr Kondik a poke? Somehow I don't deem myself worthy of his time.
[Galaxy S III General] bortak:
YES! GREAT IDEA! Show how mature and serious about this we are by sending Samsung Memes! :laugh:
[Galaxy S III General] XpLoDWilD:
Samsung is aware, now they don't care and it will take time until we EVENTUALLY get something.

Flooding them on Facebook/Twitter/Email/whatever won't help, you'll get the classic "I'm reporting that to our teams and we'll discuss it!"

Yeah, discuss.
[Galaxy S III General] :
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Who will be at the ARM TechCon 2012 to remind them about the open source community? :D
[Galaxy S III General] Nick14:
Agreed , as if had any chance of releasing it they would already as im guessing they aren't coding these phones without proper documentation
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
Well so now I have started d#ckriding this situation as well. Since www.Swedroid.se one of swedens more popular android sites) Didn't find this information newsworthy I have at least created forum threads in the SGS2 and SGS3 part of the site.

And I beseech you others to do the same, create forum topics on your local/state/countries/schools more popular android sites to help spread the word.

For those interested and knows Swedish(google translate perhaps?)

Edit missed it.

Yes but I mean come on, the worst thing that can happen is that we get a negative response. But as I get it, forgive my positive racism here, companies in the USA are more aware about the inner workings of PR and that this SK firm would not have gotten where they are without the freelancing Devs and the giant PR machine that is SamsungUsa.
[Galaxy S III General] Amritttt:
I guess ill have to talk to Mr Samsung :)
[Galaxy S III General] CodeOMG:
I think this is quite pointless... Samsung has ready proven that they don't listen to the community... Samsung didn't tell us anything anymore in the past few days.

Switch to Sony/HTC/ZTE/Huawei if you want a 95% supported phone ;)

The only thing what's irritating me about Samsung is, they won't even give so documentation. I get it why they won't release source code. But they can release at least documentation in my opinion.

CodeOMG
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Ok I will say this just one time.... Chill

These things take time. If these docs are internal, releasing them will not happen overnight, or in a fortnight for that matter. My guess is that they are going to have to convince upper management at the mothership to get anything at all. May or may not work. You already made your voices heard (not my cup of tea but whatever, I am not starting that again), give them time and if you are going to keep the pressure up, do it respectfully... But most importantly don't lose hope :)

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Galaxy S III General] Kaiserbenn:
https://twitter.com/SamsungSupport/status/259349563985502208

They just don't care... just hope for Samsung official jb version to have the last stable cm we will ever get. My last Samsung phone ever that is for sure. #adiossamsung
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
I'd love to know where your all going?

HTC refuse to update devices capable of running latest OS whilst updating lesser, albeit newer, devices.

LG apparently as problematic releasing sources as Samsung if not worse.

Sony, don't really know where to even begin suffice to say they are a bunch of b"£$%&ds who might support the devs whilst it suits them but remember this is the company who used CD's to install root kits on your machines and tried to destroy the KID! who found the private key to the PS3.

Huawei, on the verge of being turned over by the feds as a peddling chinese state spy machinery.

Motorola, locked bootloaders and the resultant kerfuflle

Well guess I'll see you all over on the Asus forums in 18 months time when my contract is up
[Galaxy S III General] funkyblue04:
It is frustrating. No one wants to make a high specced device, with decent community support. This thread put me off buying a SGS3. Will not be buying Samsung again.
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Nokia? :D

I am seriously considering it. HTC user atm, Samsung does look better, they seem to be always a notch ahead of HTC so considering GN2 alongside Lumia.

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[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
About this. Thinking ordering the padfone 2. But as the first version never landed here on CM I don't know what to do. But are they open at all?

Sorry for OT.
[Galaxy S III General] Kaiserbenn:
I really do consider the iPhone 5... unless Google considers releasing a decent nexus... and not a phone which won't hurt its android partners...
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
To be fair to the lg nexus, it may be made by a scumbag OEM, but the specs are top of the line.

Quad krait @1.5ghz

2gb ram

2100mah battery (gnex is 1750)

4.7" screen @1280x768

Storage is a little sh*t @ 8 or 16gb but I'm willing to bet on a 32gb one soon.

Plus first for software updates.

If these were the specs for the US variant of the S3 we'd all be pissed so let's give the lg nexus a break.
[Galaxy S III General] qwerty12:
Huawei gave me the usual boilerplate "our sources can be found on ..." when I asked for the code of the U8800pro's Wi-Fi driver. I'm sure the Wi-Fi driver is GPLed (modinfo still says it's GPL-licensed and although Broadcom can release it under another license for Huawei, Huawei offer the source for the other Wi-Fi drivers used in their other phones), but nobody else cares on the U8800pro section, so I can't bothered to argue. If you're wanting support, I'd stay away from them (not to mention that kernel sources are released a long while after they release an update for the U8800pro).

In a thread where people want sources, considering Windows Phone is...interesting. Just sayin'.
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
This is something Samsung really should be afraid of...
[Galaxy S III General] Kaiserbenn:
Let's see the design... s3 is way too big for me, if they decrease the borders of the phone it could make something interesting and if they use quality stuff for the case like alu or carbon fiber or something even more innovative... fed up with ****y plastic phone. [/dream]
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Look at it from different perspective. If all phones get equally locked down, what's the point of using Android then? Yes,atm its ahead of others with certain features but In a few years all 3 OSes will have very similar features, just implementation will differ.

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[Galaxy S III General] Turbotab:
A Ferrari is similar to Skoda, but it is not the same. Android is still the OS that is evolving the fastest, in part because it had to. Most Android don't even know the meaning of root, let alone want to leave their OEM security blanket, however in its current states the Galaxy S3 is still more hackable than any iPhone or WP7 / 8.
[Galaxy S III General] :
But the question is, are they even going to try to convince the upper management? :confused:
[Galaxy S III General] cocotutch:
Did my bit. Wrote to them on Twitter and made _careful_ sure to mention that I jumped ship from the iPhone to the Galaxy SIII i9300. Can't hurt to really motivate them I guess….
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Regarding the LG Nexus. I'm sure LG will find a way to f*ck it up, just like they f*cked the O2X up.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Has anyone thought of try and make contact with the right people at Samsung via LinkedIn?
[Galaxy S III General] Toss3:
Don't you think we are spamming enough channels as it is? Youtube, facebook and twitter are all getting hammered daily. Getting in the way of Samsung communicating with their customers and vice versa. Think we ought to take a week off to give them time to discuss the matter. The new nexus is coming on the 29th so we should give them until then at least.

I'm buying it no matter what, as I really want a phone that will be supported for more than two years, and I want the latest updates as soon as they become available. CM10 used to bring this to the average consumer, but sadly, it's not on par with the stock experience anymore.

Really hoping for a nexus version of the butterfly(worst name ever?).

Been a Samsung user and supporter since the first Galaxy S, but no more. Nexus all the way.
[Galaxy S III General] qwerty12:
Because I don't want to buy again the applications that I already bought for Android :p

WP and Android are too different IMHO to say that they'll be equally locked down. They have different philosophies, with Android having being open-source and WP being subject to the anal-retentiveness of Microsoft. Google provide the gapps that actually make the phone useful, but someone with masochistic tendencies could use Android without them. Want to install an app from outside the official store for your platform? Android: you enable the unknown sources option and accept the terms. WP: people are looking for vulnerabilities that they can use to unlock the phone (or I think you can pay MS for a developers licence) just to be able to do that. If one Android manufacturer is locking their bootloader, choosing not to open-source libraries that drive important parts of their phones, then fine - I'll look for another manufacturer. With WP, it's MS that are doing the locking, so if I switch manufacturer there's nothing that I really gain. It's MS that were forcing WP phone manufacturers to use the same single-core Qualcomm and then saying WP7 phones are not powerful enough so no WP8 for you! I respect that now MS are mandating WP phones get at least 18 months of updates*, whilst all Google can do is make a statement no manufacturer is listening to by providing many big updates for their Nexus phones (if only I actually liked the Nexus series of phones...). With Android, you may not get something as good as the stock ROM (with Samsung Exynos phones, it's the libraries), but at least it's possible for unofficial ROMs to appear and work somewhat.

* I wrote a story in another post on why I want a Sony Android phone next, but Sony's refusal to update their 2011 flagships is making think twice...
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Nexus, in a word
[Galaxy S III General] Turbotab:
Even though I think 6 months will pass without any result, and by then the Galaxy S4 will be causing us all to drool, there is always hope.

http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-closed-source-wifi-drivers-for-htc-amaze-4g/
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
I don't think that petition had any bearing on the release, we had over 11,000 sig on the petition to release ICS kernel for DHD and they refused so I doubt the 574 signatures there had any effect. I agree on the s4 think though soon the S3 will be just another poorly supported phone, and that's just the way the manufacturers like it.
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
yeah, Nexus sounds great with limited storage and non removable battery.

So, tendencies are leaving us with these choices.

1. Open OS with fast updates but someone capped HW. Sounds great,but world is not ready to move to the cloud yet. Nexus

2. Locked down phones with open OS, missing drivers/documentation etc and top hw, but questionable future updates. Questionable customer service. Android OEMs.

3. Locked OS with great hw and brilliant connectivity to your home equipment if you are windows user + office, which is important to a lot of people. Fast OS with hardly any fcs and rock solid stability even after using it for long time. MS OEMs.

3. Locked OS with the biggest choice of apps out there atm, more fcs than Android, superb hardware and excellent customer service.

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[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Have any of these petitions ever targeted android themselves or google, seems to me a sucessful petition on that would bare greater fruit for a wider bunch of users and no doubt more centralised support

Do they have any say on restrictions, or more importantly, can they rectify them, can they refuse a manufaturer acess to their os, or at least only provide their official endorsment on android products who meet the criteria............i guess the nexus line kinda fills that space, but then i think to myself, why are we being limited by a few products a year, the one thing i like is the diversity in android products, the choice to pickk and choose which nexus line of product best suits my needs i.e. i like this years nexus phone, but im loking for a tablet...........or, this years nexus tablet is nice, but i wanted a particular feature, oh wait this other nexus tablet has that feature and is just as good as twhe first tablet............we have a choice in semi closed systems, but we have limited choice in nexus lines, something maybe google/android can do something about, in a top down auhorative fashion (i.e. google dictates this very specific power asked by users to enforce, but not expand that specific power used to open a system, in order to close the sytem later in life, WILLY NILLY, they would have to go through a whole new process, and accept that people may petition on re-closing),

Forgive the rambling thoughts of a wondering mind, im only recently reading/watching politics for the first time in my life, which surprises the hell out of me (the interest in politics part), but there you
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Rumours were about 5 nexus devices. But so far it looks like just rumours...

You can't ask someone to make more products. Don't think it'll work. Another matter is asking for a particular feature/driver.

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