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[Galaxy S III General] -A-P-M-:
Nexus is the only device which Google care about software and software is most important thing. Also since there is only one Nexus phone per year, Google choose manufacturer for hardware which will be able to produce competive device. New LG Nexus looks very high end if you look specs, build quality etc.

I see much more advantages. It is open source, with all drivers available, so developers can build great and stable roms in short time. IMO most unique phone is Nexus, because its the only one with stock Android. Is SGS3 unique ? I don't think so, because there are many SGS3 versions, and also UI (TW) is very similar to other Samsung's phones. Open SMS or contacts app on SGS3 and on some low level Samsung and it will be same. Also it isn't certainly you will be able to choose between aosp and oem roms in future Samsung devices with Exynos, because looks like CM devs won't work on them in future. I checked Note 2 forum and read this post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=32349328&postcount=11
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
Come on everyone, lets rearm and send a new wave of comments. I already did.
[Galaxy S III General] Poshdaz:
There is a real s**tstorm blowing on the Exynos twitter account now. Superb!
[Galaxy S III General] drraptor:
Just keeping going, any activity should be required with our petition
[Galaxy S III General] LarsenB:
Please help #FreeExynos on twitter at

@samsungmobile

@samsungexynos

#exynos

The community is sending a message now! Have your say.
[Galaxy S III General] androidindian:
I've never seen a more irresponsible company than samsung.. Thousands of us been tweeting them since more than a week and no response!
[Galaxy S III General] twiggums:
What is it you're expecting?
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
But there have been several rssponses, they are discussing it! If you where expecting anymore in that timescale you where deluding yourself.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
They discuss jack sh*t. They obly said so because they wanna shut us up.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
.........said the mouse to the elephant.......
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
You know elephants are terrified of termites?

People on XDA - termites

Samsung - elephant

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[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
..........it's all in the head..........;)
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Heh. Not with elephants and termites. Termites can do real damage to elephants.

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[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
This?
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Lol. Sorry, correction. Not termites but ants.

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[Galaxy S III General] RoadXY:
On topic?
[Galaxy S III General] mouki_9:
but really shouldn't be a problem, we all switch back to htc and see if samsung will change their policy? Just saw the htc j butterfly. Looks stunning in black and hope it also gets released outside japan. Sure beats my s3 :P

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/17/htc-j-butterfly-htl21-440ppi/
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
buy HTC?!......excuse me for a couple of minutes.............
[Galaxy S III General] chrisfu:
I'm sure you've seen many, many more companies that are more irresponsible than Samsung. Nestle, Foxconn, Motorola (remember locked bootloader saga?), I could go on...

Let's not completely blow this out of proportion and try to keep ourselves both rational and dignified.
[Galaxy S III General] stefanACM:
What's going on here???

I see only my TWETTS!!! They deleted rest :rolleyes: or they change settings on profile so nobody can't see posts from other people !?!?!?!
[Galaxy S III General] LarsenB:
They are ****ehawks.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Asus?

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[Galaxy S III General] LarsenB:
#FreeExynos
[Galaxy S III General] vittogn:
Asus lock bootloaders. They provide a tool to unlock at the expense of loosing warranty as your serial number will be black listed. I can't comment about their sources disclosure.

In my opinion Asus is worse than Samsung.

I also read that the LG Optimus G bootloader will be locked as well.
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
QC sucks big time with Asus. Poor IO, non existent GPS, screens coming off, screens that crack by itself, lies.. Shall I go on? I'm afraid there are flaws with every manufacturer. Apple seems to be the most reliable in general. And maybe Nokia.

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[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Spelling error? ;):D
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Meant to say Huawei...

/me runs and hides :D

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[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
Check out the upcoming Huawei and ZTE devices, they look awes.........

Sorry, couldnt even type it with a straight face.... :D

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[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
Damn you sneaking that in before my troll post.

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
I bought a Tf 101 within 7 minutes of it going on sale. Trust me, I know well their poor qc practices :p

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[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Every time I post on this thread a clusterf*ck of moderators appear...............honest guys, I didn't do it! :D
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Ninja style :p

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[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Moderators? Where? :p

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[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Did I say moderators?......apologies, I meant troll whisperers :p
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
jerdog around?

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[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
....only a matter of time I'm sure!
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
I went through 8 TFPs. Last one was very good HW wise, but returned it due to not believing that Asus will fix IO issues (browsing was painful). For once I was right.

Bought an ipad 2 and it's been happily ever after since...

Don't give up people, we are fighting our own battle with HTC.

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[Galaxy S III General] :
What about other SoC?

What is the situation with other SoC? Do devs have full documentation for Tegra3 or Qualcomm S4?

I heard TI OMAP is good with documentation. But haven't seen many devices using TI SoC lately.
[Galaxy S III General] CallMeVentus:
That's because OMAP devices do not have a in-built radio....which will cause manufacturers moar $$ to buy a radio

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[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
nvidia sucks on that front. Qualcomm is somewhat better, and don't count on ti as they are reorganizing their efforts to tackle other markets (read: they are getting out of the mobile market for now, likely based on the success of the upcoming omap 5)

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[Galaxy S III General] androidindian:
Ti has omapzoom and Qualcomm has codeaurora.. Both updated and really good

Ti is working on omap5 and even though they are focusing out of mobile they r going ahead with omap5 and also amazon is buying ti omap so it's not a dead end for them at all..
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
I had the Optimus 3d and it did had a radio. But LG forgot to install it so it had to be instaled manually.

edit: or you meang gsm radio?
[Galaxy S III General] :
So, it's a battle not against just Samsung/Exynos, but the whole SoC-industry in general.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Pretty much...

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[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
You are trolling, right?

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[Galaxy S III General] Arjen:
There are no trolls at SGS3 international forum!

I think...

But on-topic, I hope I am wrong, but Samsung will never give the community the stuff we need.

Not going to sell my phone because they won't, still like the device.
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
And this is exactly why they don't NEED to release it. Not saying because of you personally, but 99% of users will be still happy with device without these extra bits.

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[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
Couldn't agree more. I won't be switching because it doesn't affect me and my usage of the phone.

If I was a developer and needed wanted the documentation released to help me further my work, then it would possibly be a different matter but as that's not the case, it doesn't bother me in the slightest xD
[Galaxy S III General] Nick Fury:
Does it personally effect every single one of you in a way that stops you from using your phones? NO

And if for some reason it does then please do something more constructive with your time, start a petition and personally hand it into Samsung and then maybe you might see a result.

Just putting a few comments in a thread isnt going to make any difference.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
......contain your Fury Nick ;)
[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
What you did there, I see it...

''Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver''
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
^^^ misses nothing ;)

Congrats on RC btw. :thumbup::beer::thumbup:
[Galaxy S III General] mits101:
The lack of sources may not directly effect us now.... :rolleyes:

But in the next 18 months when samsung says they cant update us to Android 6.0 Marshmallow because of certain circumstances, we'll be stuck with whatever build of android we're on. :eek:

Thats when the sources will be of utmost importance so that the devs here at XDA can get working, fluid roms for us to update to. :victory:
[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
Cheers man :beer:

Umm.... Nick Fury isn't an RC :rolleyes:

And it's not as if he's been the only person to post the same across different threads of the same topic.
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
Exactly, now maybe it`s not THAT important but when all major developers will leave the Exynos development because of this issue then we are screwed (They already think about leaving, read Codeworkx`s blog). Samsung won`t update our phone forever. They just gonna drop support like they did for the Galaxy S by saying it`s hardware is too weak for Ice Cream Sandwich. My opinion is that it`s very important that they release those sources or I as a customer will be gone to Qualcomm based devices.
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
Twitter is always this way. You won't see mentions of a given user unless you put an @ in the search term.

e.g. search for @SamsungExynos, you see everything

Search for SamsungExynos and you only see their tweets

fail. It must be...

GANGNAM STYLE!!!!

Tegra3 is worse than Exynos... But this isn't really news to anyone and they've already had their fair share of public shaming.

Qualcomm and TI both have excellent source code repositories, which is why codeworkx ditched Exynos for Qualcomm-based Sonys, and why I'll be doing the same (just waiting to see what the next batch of Nexus devices offers and if the Xperia TL on AT&T has an unlockable bootloader.)

While Sony has a traditionally ****ty track record with developer relations, I must commend them on how they (especially the Mobile division) has been acting lately. This is partly due to the Ericsson influence on that division - the question is, will it continue now that Sony has fully purchased the division and is moving its HQ to Tokyo? Not sure... But remember, Sony also has a new CEO that's engaging in major restructuring of the company. They may be finally realizing that treating your customers like **** is bad for business. (They are, at least, painfully aware that the way they ran their business in the past is... bad for business...)

I guess the short answer is:

Qualcomm has CodeAurora

TI has Omapzoom

Nvidia gets the middle finger and a big personal **** YOU from Linus Torvalds himself

Samsung is striving to achieve the same standards of failure as Nvidia.

As to some of the other posts... That's the main reason I'm ditching. I do not want to be dependent on Samsung for updates to new versions of Android. We know their track record here - look at the Galaxy S1 family. That officially dead-ended at Gingerbread, but thanks to it sharing the same SoC as a Nexus, it has received significantly better ICS and JB AOSP bringups than even the I9300, which has official JB!

Pretty much, I'm going to try and continue supporting the Exynos4 devices I own for CM10, although once I get new devices it'll be much harder to justify the time expenditure. I will NOT, under any circumstances, try to do a CM11 bringup on these devices. I'm just sick and tired of trying to do early bringups on undocumented devices.
[Galaxy S III General] Arjen:
I don't feel offended ;)

Even though the other roms are not perfect they suite my needs.
[Galaxy S III General] SiriusCybernetik:
What kind of world are we living in, where mods are trolling and nasty megacorps are withholding sources and documentation?

:confused: :D
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
How about admins trolling? We've had two. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
We just need Mike Channing to pop in and do this -_- and we have a full house ;)
[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
Mike Channon would be good aswell.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Lol...my bad:D
[Galaxy S III General] androidindian:
Just heard allaboutsamsung tweeting that samsung won't be releasing sources after all.. Not cool
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
For when all else fails
[Galaxy S III General] Flynny75:
'I'm not samsung so i cannot release anything ;)'

' i think they received the message. they will use marketshare in the developer community without releasing sources'

I think this person knows nothing.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
This

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[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Hey egz, been meaning to ask you, what does your title actually mean? Does "Member Advocate Admin - Spirit of XDA" bring the same powers as one with a "normal" admin status?
[Galaxy S III General] stefanACM:
Sry Entropy but I try to expand comments about some of their latest twitts and I don't see comments from other people. 1 day before I have opened that TAB and refreshing every few hours and I see every new twitts, but now I CAN'T
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Pretty much. A few other admins have specific access to tools not needed by others, but yeah. Full blown admin :)

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[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
I can haz authoritaah?
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Don't be fooled by his modesty, he has dark, untold powers that people dare not speak of :eek::eek::eek:
[Galaxy S III General] mihaits:
http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...t-achieve-full-potential-of-purchased-devices
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Mmmmm, dark powers......
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
You got it! ;)
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Middle aged ninja edit :

Samung : ladies and getlemen, the chewbaca defense

"Thats si.lly, dont be ign.orant"
[Galaxy S III General] LarsenB:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb1VkSJvCDI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

This video makes me sad/laugh. At 1.00ish the guy says 'this rom is also available on the i9300 - its pretty much identical.' Ignorance is bliss eh?

Anyone that has had CM10 more than a day on the i9300 can see a clear difference on a less powerful device. Also, I had a play on Note 2 today -awesome stock rom and unbelievable smoothness. Just so frustrating Exynos+CM10 will never ever get there.

Saying goodbye to my i9300 soon. Hurry up Nexii.
[Galaxy S III General] btemtd:
I am getting unbeleivable smoothnes on my i9305, Just imagne they release the sources WOW I dont know how much better this can get really
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
That story is indeed quite cool, brosephine.
[Galaxy S III General] synace:
Tweeted, liked facebook.com/ExynosSourceCode & Inquired via OSRC.

Fingers crossed. I want the Galaxy Note 2, and don't wanna have to buy any of the upcoming S4 based or Tegra 3 based phones because they don't have removable batteries. We'll see what happens.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
Guys , lets take this issue directly to this board and lets see if our voice reaches samsung.

http://developer.samsung.com/forum/android/general-board

I would suggest some a person who is well aware of the actual scenario to start a thread there.. and let the other members share their thoughts later there
[Galaxy S III General] cmajetic:
chainfire should tell them what to do :P

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[Galaxy S III General] E:V:A:
I don't think that's a very good idea, as many developers here would not like sign up for yet another (mostly useless forum) and to play around on the SEC turf with the looming fear of corporate repercussions for things they do or have done in the past. (Unlocking bootloaders, rooting, publishing links to NDA documents etc etc.)
[Galaxy S III General] port76:
We are loosing top developers and need to take action it's so sad as its ment to be such a open thing (android) I luv my phone but I fear we will loose good developers :(
[Galaxy S III General] :
Does anyone have new ideas how to make more pressure on samsung?
[Galaxy S III General] skyjedi:
support

While continuing to tweet @SamsungExynos, I had the idea to rattle another cage within the Samsung company @SamsungSupport. Think about it, @SamsungExynos is probably a small team or maybe just one guy dedicated to marketing, most of the @replies might just be ignored. @SamsungSupport has to be a huge division where I bet all the tweets are logged and applied to some metric on how well the division is working. Sure, they probably have no idea what sources and documentation are but that might have the issue go up the chain. Just a thought

https://twitter.com/SamsungSupport
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
bumping/quoting this statement so that people listen and take note!
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
If someone can get me a phone number of the big cheeses I don't mind calling them ;D
[Galaxy S III General] :
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile/posts/433269063388402

Sounds familiar? :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
bumping again till everyone has read and comprehended ;)
[Galaxy S III General] LarsenB:
Ok we get it.
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
Reading? Comprehension?? This is XDA you fool.... :rolleyes:

MOAR SAUCE NAO!

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[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
Joke.

/ConstructiveRepliesOnly
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
No need for that at all.:rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
See what I mean?? :D:banghead::rolleyes:

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[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
He should reply

"Thankyou for yor quick response and i appreciate the effort you are making, is there any chance you can expand on what measures you are making in order to make samsung aware of this situation and if there is anything the open source comunity can do to help, you only need but ask, thankyou, the open source comunity"

Might be worth engaging them on providing more info on their stance on opening their products to the open source community

Thing i dont like, if a companies not open in this way, then clearly say so, as far as im aware theres no officail statement from samsung that says they wont release product sources to the open community.

If they are, fair enough, but they should make it clear. We've got symbols for blutooth, wifi etc etc, like the ones you sometimes see on the product packaging, samsung can avoid future headaches, all companies really, by creating a standardized symbol for a closed system, we the customers can know beforehand your stance on open source.

At some point people are gonna accuse companies releasing new products into the market of intentionally not making this clear in order to maximize profit
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Calm nods, don't get in trouble on my behalf ;):D
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
If you could give more thanks to a post, I would have given all my 8 thanks to you nod.

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[Galaxy S III General] Steve_max:
Actually, if there's a snowball's chance in hell for something like this to happen, it would be the exact opposite. "Open-source friendly" stickers (or "Free Software ready", depending on your stance on Stallmanism), not "Closed system" stickers. You add to a packaging the GOOD stuff about your product, never the bad stuff unless mandated by law.

It's a very long shot, but maybe the CM team could talk some manufacturers into getting "Android Open Source Project compatible" stickers on the most open devices. If this gained any traction, we'd have some sort of market pressure on the more closed manufacturers to open up ("Hey, the Sony phone has one sticker that the Samsung doesn't! And the Sony comes in bright pink!! I'm sold!!!!").

Nah, just daydreaming. No freaking way this will ever happen.
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
That was my response to that on facebook:
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
@Steve_max

Might not ever happen, but all the same that is one hell of a good idea :thumbup::D:thumbup:
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
Cmon folks let's keep the personal insults out of it mmmmkay?

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[Galaxy S III General] :
I've read most of this thread but I don't see an answer for this question: "What disadvantage would it be to Samsung to release these documents?" Would they lose money by giving these documents? It seems like they are going to lose money by not releasing them.
[Galaxy S III General] aydc:
Their competitors are going to learn everything there is to know about the Exynos system by studying the code. What for? Just to please a few thousand CM users compared to tens of millions of people who are happy with Touchwiz? Yeah! They are gonna do it...
[Galaxy S III General] :
So why has Qualcomm acted differently? They seem to be doing fine.
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
Yeah Qualcomm even has the biggest market share when it comes to mobile processors and they will do even better if the biggest part of the Samsung Community decides to move from Exynos to Qualcomm.

What disadvantages will Samsung have if they release the Source Code? Well I don`t see any. They would make us happy, they would make the developers happy and they would get the respect from the community and power users like us would still buy and recommend Samsung Smartphones. Seems to me like a win-win situation.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Hello Samsung...

https://twitter.com/AntonLiv92/status/258991794841325568
[Galaxy S III General] Rchard:
Protest

I wonder if its possible but, another alternative to draw attention in the media is to track Korean users who

use CM10 or who are interested in non crapwiz roms within Korea and request them if possible to go in front of Samsung branch

and demonstrate about this issue.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Great idea but how we do it?
[Galaxy S III General] Rchard:
Very good question but, I am afraid its not easy as it sounds. However, it would have been very good because koreans are into tech stuff

and am sure a push will lead them to do it that is if we manage to track some there. From one person leads to another.
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
1 maybe patents

2 maybe drm compliance

3 maybe samsung ceo on a power trip

4 insert own reason

Who knows, but samsung, either way consumers lose
[Galaxy S III General] :
Inserting my own reason...

I just had a thought. Does Samsung collect user information on their stock rom which they can monetize? That would be a reason they want people to use touchwiz.
[Galaxy S III General] TheCraig:
I believe there is a monitoring service within touchwiz to combat Triangle Away:

Read here: http://www.chainfire.eu/articles/118/Triangle_Away_vs_Samsung/
[Galaxy S III General] cmajetic:
maybe teamhacksung should do what their name says and just hack the Samsung developers servers and get the informations they need.

when you can hack the fbi this should be easy like lightning a cigarette with your head in the fire

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[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
No worries I'll write a GUI in visual basic and give to teamhacksung so the leet hacking can start. :sly:
[Galaxy S III General] TheCraig:
Even though their name may suggest that, it does not mean that is what they do.