[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Hey,

I think that out of all the people in this thread (myself included), you are the only one who actually has a right to say anything at all. I do respect your opinion and your PoV on the issue simply because you, unlike people in here, went straight up to them, docs in hand, with real facts, issues, problems, etc, and spent countless hours of your own time trying to fix a product for a company that you don't even work for. All that they did to correct this was 0, zip, nada and in fact they spread the misery a bit by releasing the same bug in an otherwise safe device (i9100). Trust me, I have an e4gt and my jaw dropped when I ran CF's tool to see if my device was one of the affected ones and saw a big whooping "yes" (had been flashing in and out of ICS like a maniac before that, so the fact that I am not tethering from a brick right now is nothing short of a miracle).

The way I see things right now is that there are two schools of thought being presented based on your side:

1. What you are angry about is the fact that Samsung NEVER actually moved a finger to release the required fix or offered to fix bricked devices, even though they led you on to think that they were going to help you in the end. Completely understandable and in fact I am right there with you.

2. What the people are asking for in this thread is for a different purpose altogether. This is not to fix critical bugs in their stock software. This is to be able to run AOSP software as bug free as possible on their devices. You see? there is a conceptual and fundamental difference between what you tried to get (point #1) and what these people are trying to get. Granted, the code could easily be used by devs here to fix bugs in their code as well, make battery life better, etc (I am not keen on pure stock TW roms, believe me). No question about that, but the problem is, and I think someone said this before, Samsung at no point promised that people could make their devices better by their own hand. We all do this as a hobby and because we know that there is more to our phones than what we see when we take it out of the box.

Also, and just to get the record straight, and I have said this at least 4 times in this thread, I am NOT against what you guys are trying to get here, in fact, I sincerely hope that you guys get something out of it. What I AM against is the method used to do it. Petitions and talking face to face obviously has had no tangible results to get the things that got requested (sadly). I just think that what truly made us look bad, even more so than the bombardment, was the fact that there are statements in this thread that read sort of like this (not quoting anyone in particular, just paraphrasing a few posts in this 50 page thread):

I wish I knew what you guys are asking for, but I am supporting the move anyways

I am not technical nor do I know what is needed...

Regardless of what this could be used for, I want it so that I can run x on my phone

I am not myself a developer, but I am surrounded by people on a daily bases who are developers and know heaps more than I do about coding and Android/Linux in general than I do. People who are very well recognized by the mobile scene. I pride myself in trying to learn something before attempting to open my mouth, and well... sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But at least I always try to make an effort to understand something before diving into things. Otherwise, I'd rather not speak/do anything because I know that everything I do/say as an individual have ramifications and can come back and kick me in the back. I also look like a babbling charlatan and thus I lose the little credibility I may have. This is true for all walks of life, both people and corporations alike. By the community raising an uneducated complain (meaning not having a clue as of what they want) has the same effect. XDA (not individual users) looks like it is run by a bunch of people who either have no clue as to what they are talking about, or are simply a bunch of people following someone's lead and acting as a mob on behalf of that person.

Last thing I will say (promise I will stop now :p), you people do this to Samsung now claiming that you guys will go to other mfg's. Do you honestly think that other mfgs are not taking notice of what is happening as well? No manufacturer of anything would want to have customers who are likely to attack them. The logic is simple: if hassle + man hours > profit, then not worth it. You said about 130,000 CM SGS3 devices for Sammy, right? According to http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...3-sales-to-surpass-30-million-this-year/]this, the CM activations on SGS3 represent a whopping total of a 0.4% of their sold devices. Take it a step further because I can already sense people claiming that they are evangelists, etc etc... I will give you an extra factor of 20 (accounting for word of mouth sales of 20 devices per evangelist). So, instead of 130,000, we are now making this number 2,600,000 devices due to word of mouth and sales to power users... your total is now only 8.6% of the SGS3 total sales. for the year...

In any case, I sincerely hope that Samsung does reconsider their position and do release what you guys need.

I will do whatever I can from my end to help the cause, but not by harassing them.

Good luck to all :)