yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Quite agree there, which is why I put the "if" in the sentence, we all want the best outcome.....done in the right way,, let's hope and pray for a positive outcome now that the good and great have wrestled control of the situation :thumbup::)
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
The whole first few posts are demands. And as to being better-worded, this has already been done by those who know what they are asking for, know who to ask, and know how to ask it, and know what to do with it when they get it. We've said this countless times - what more do you need? This is not the way to do it.
[Galaxy S III General] da.trute:
An aggressive request (spamming) is nothing more than a demand.
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
So to compare here, do you believe what we are asking for is a detail on how to build the actual chip?

Because the way I see it, we are requesting the source to be able to make the chip perform at the best possible level we can within our custom ROM'S.

anyhow...who am I to argue, I'm not a developer :D I just like the possible outcome of this I.E project butter etc...as an end user.

I will leave this here, but if OP was to take it to another site I would follow and support fully.

Regards
[Galaxy S III General] pulser_g2:
This is the issue though...

There's confusion among those involved about what they are ACTUALLY asking for... That's the issue - if you want "butter" (which Entropy said doesn't appear to be properly implemented even by Samsung, IIRC), you need to get vsync, hwcomposer, and kernel all working together... So now you're looking for hwcomposer...

There's then the libraries for drivers for camera/fimc etc, which appear to often end up chained into dependency chains...

If the people asking the questions know what they're asking for (the dev who talk to Samsung do), then they'll either get what they need, or they won't... It's unfortunately as simple as that... Maybe public support will help? But maturity is the key here, maturity and factual accuracy...
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
Thank you for the support or even acceptance of the thread.

I believe OP/people's intentions is to do this in the utmost respectful way.

What I disagree with is people putting a dampener on the whole thing with the likes of "Do you not think the important people have spoke to the bosses/people in charge to release this code?"

My reply to this would be, is a battle(in the most polite way obviously! ;) ) not better in larger numbers!

Regards
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
If Samsung really cared about developers, they'd have given them what they need a long time ago.
[Galaxy S III General] NemesisRE:
Comment on Twitter, Facebook, Google+ and Samsung Open Source... Hope it helps
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
I actually agree with you.

Listen, we are not trying to tell you not to ask Samsung for this stuff. We (well developers) need it to work on their projects. However, we are trying to tell you all that if you are going to do it, do it right. The way it is being done right now (nothing to do with verbiage on the requests themselves) is borderline wrong and against most ToS on FB, Twitter, etc.

I personally want the same outcome as you all do, which is to have the sources etc, but we will not get anything accomplished by clogging their lines of communication with this. As others have stated, PR people have the duty to check and provide feedback whenever something comes through ANY official channel. If the requests become spam, they WILL get the green light from the upper management tiers to simply discard said requests. That is not what you guys want. You want to be heard and that is fine.

Just do things right...
[Galaxy S III General] anup123456:
I am out of thanks for the day :D

Agree with you.

Hope something positive comes out.

I love this community <3 <3 <3
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Trust me when I say this. If we didn't agree with the "true" purpose of this thread, I would have personally closed it down on my first post about 6-7 pages ago.

Want to keep the pressure up and show them strength in numbers? As I said, go with a petition (easier to count names/signatures than deleted FB/Twitter/G+ comments anyways :p). Make it big enough! I am sure that every Samsung owner would gladly sign it (I have an e4gt and I would sign it) as I know it is info that is required by devs. However, as I stated before and what pulser_g2 just confirmed a few posts up, what you are looking for and what you are asking for are two different things....

I hope I can get this point across you :)
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
As do I :)
[Galaxy S III General] Galactus:
I wonder where this thread can actually go now. Those who know what is needed have already asked for things which Samsung have said no to. Users (including myself) have wrongfully spammed Samsung's facebook to death asking for libs and code etc. If elite devs have been shut out, how on earth are we supposed to convince Samsung to change their mind? I can only think of "those in the know" getting in contact with Samsung again but what else will they be able to say that hasn't been said/done already.........they could add in that a few thousand more are upset about it. All Samsung will see is 20 million units, minus 10'000 angry users.......meh.

Edit: I heard a petition was done in the past and it failed? How many signatures did it actually get. And how many do you think is needed to make Samsung take proper notice. I'd think somewhere near the region of 100'000 which to be honest is highly unlikely.
[Galaxy S III General] GalaxyGusta:
finally somthing is happening about this! im glad were doing it ! we need more of you people im going to alert some more forums in my country

holy **** look at the samsungexynos twitter

"

We're taking your feedback about full document. very seriously and are working to resolve the situation. We really do value your opinions!

"
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
Well, the "right" channels have gotten us nowhere.

Months ago, Samsung claimed they were working on an eMMC brick fix.

They even met with me, in what I thought at the time was the sign of a step forward finally being made. I originally had thought the meeting went well, even though some of the results had been disappointing, I had thought that it was at least the start of some communications and opening channels to prevent such a cluster**** from ever happening again.

At the meeting we discussed a number of ways to improve communications between developers and Samsung, including opening up a private forum her so that some Samsung contacts could talk with pre-vetted members of the XDA community. Samsung management shot that down.

We talked about deploying fixes in the future to prevent owners of affected devices from further damage.

That meeting was in late July. It's mid-October and not a single affected device has received the fix, devices are STILL receiving updates with unsafe kernels - http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=32579727&postcount=820

I'm beginning to think that the meeting was a PR sham to try and quiet us down.
[Galaxy S III General] anup123456:
Big guys covering it now :P

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-hears-exynos-community-documentation-concerns
[Galaxy S III General] tanjiajun_34:
"The EXYNOS MOVEMENT by @xdadevelopers worked! @SamsungExynos working on providing us with full documents of their Exynos Chip. =D"

- @Faryaab

:) :)
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Has Faryaab been smoking something?

"Holy ****! Samsung have open sourced Exynos. No ****ing lie! YAY!!! =D"

Or is it true?
[Galaxy S III General] Eeelgen:
Jumping to conclusion. Got my hopes up for a millisecond or so :(
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Can't say it got my hopes up. I mean, as of a while ago, I always take his tweets with a grain of salt, a big grain.
[Galaxy S III General] Gliedfried:
Gesendet von meinem GT-I9300 mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III General] Mr Woolf:
Wow. I must admit to being highly sceptical about any success with this campaign.

A big thank you and well done to all those involved.
[Galaxy S III General] itchy67x:
This post means nothing is PR ****..
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
That really means nothing of use. It basically means that they'll see what they can do.
[Galaxy S III General] atulalvenkar:
We aren't rioting, we aren't burning stuff. It's an online peacefull protest to let Samsung know the problem we face and basically it's a show of strength. So it's either release some source to help us or we are jumping ship the next time we buy a device.

If TI/Qualcomm can release sources for these specific libs then why not Samsung ?
[Galaxy S III General] SuX.Dickinson:
totally agree with ManCityFC
[Galaxy S III General] bbeanss:
I've just posted on the Samsung Mobile, UK & US pages, lets keep this going people!

Beans
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
Yet another case of Faryaab tweeting what amounts to total bull****, sadly...

Just like his claims of fully working HWC.
[Galaxy S III General] anup123456:
Thanks.

I was like WTF.

and then saw the original post by @SamsungExynos =)
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Truth.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I think you partly miss the point being made.

XDA is a private forum and over the years certain senior members/developers/admins etc have taken considerable trouble to cultivate good working relationships with various manufacturers.

Unsanctioned actions like this have the potential to seriously harm those relationships.

If there had been sensible communications with those in power in first place, before the creation of the thread, then a cohesive and approved strategy could have been agreed upon.

As it was, people assumed that they can launch action under the banner of XDA developers community, without any approval whatsoever.

I just hope lessons are learnt, not only in how to do things right, but also in the wider sense of people understanding what this forum is about - and what exactly their place is within it.

I know my place, I'm a guest, a noob, a thankful user of some great work.

That is all :)
[Galaxy S III General] Gnubaver:
Im confused, did it work or not?
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
No it did not. It amounted to the PR department saying "Oh yeah - great - we'll get back to you on that" and that's it. These things don't work, and do more harm for the community at-large than good.
[Galaxy S III General] itchy67x:
Most probably not with samsung :p... no realy than some mod should close this threat say sry to samsung and we all will be happy about the great relationship with samsung.
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
Well that's pretty disappointing to hear. However I stand by my opinion that whether or not the right channels are any more successful they are still the more dignified and appropriate approach.

If anything it only goes to show just how much of a challenge something like this really is.

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
We actually do/did/had/have a good relationship with Samsung - as good as one can have in this sort of environment. But it can always be better, though infantile, whiney efforts like this do nothing to help that.
[Galaxy S III General] itchy67x:
I think it's a whiney effort to not let people try a different way when the good relationship isn't working.
[Galaxy S III General] w1nter456:
Hi, we almost there. We almost reach the end of journey. Please don't let go yet. Now, they are teasing us. We have tried bit by bit and it's works. We can do a d*** thing! This is human power. Please don't waste it. I'm posted all Facebook to help it also. =)
[Galaxy S III General] ManCityFC:
But sorry mate, by persisting with this, you are now sounding infantile and whiney, too. First rule of forums, If you don't like it, don't read it, move on. Don't start arguments. We are under absolutely no illusions about your opinions now. Now please, pretty please, with sugar on top, leave it.

If you want to close the thread, then close it. You and I know we have dev's that agree with this, and some dev's that don't. We know your opinion now. Please leave it.
[Galaxy S III General] XDA mark:
Well, I'm happy about one thing. Aparently we did at least do something big enough to get noticed by Androidcentral. :D

Giving it a 1-5% chance of succes, but still fun to see what happens. I have read all the posts and agree and disagree with a lot of things, so no point in getting involved. I agree that this approach isn't the best, but I am actually suprised by the respones by Samsung. Still, there is a 95%+ chance their next reply will be "Unfortunately, we can't hell you guys with anything. The 9300 JB source code is avaidable though!" ><

Edit:

http://pocketnow.com/2012/10/09/samsung-exynos-docs/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Pocket now also :o
[Galaxy S III General] w1nter456:
Hi, even though it is bit by bit, we can still do a thing and this is human power. Please don't think about negative first, try before we give up. Believe us, we can do it.
[Galaxy S III General] pulser_g2:
Uhm... You're the one causing the infantile arguments here...

The only person sounding infantile here is yourself actually, with your "pretty please with sugar on top". I'm willing to suggest you have not talked to our manufacturer contacts... Have you?

I can inform you that jerdog HAS spoken to them, and continues to do so on a regular basis, expanding towards new ones constantly...

The first rule of forums is that you should talk from experience and not hearsay... Since he has regular contact with our manufacturer contacts, and you (from what I gather from what amounts to hot air) have not. Thus, I suggest your whiny approach and way of talking to our senior staff is not acceptable. Why should they come here, and put in countless hours for free, for someone like you to then talk to them like this?

Nobody wants to close this thread, asking him to close the thread is you attempting to call his bluff, and get an outcome you can then react to, and gather support against...

Not going to work unfortunately, I (and others) were not born yesterday, please don't try and rile people into acting against you, just to get support for whatever argument you're trying to make - it is silly, spoils it for everyone else, and may perhaps be immature in several ways... Calling jerdog immature... hypocritical perhaps?
[Galaxy S III General] ManCityFC:
Mate, I can promise you that I'm not missing any point at all and understand 100% what you are saying. But we are at loggerheads here.

I know marketing departments, and I know that they will not want this on their customer facing social media sites. It is a sales objection and that isn't useful. They will lean on technical to make the negativity stop (although obviously that doesn't mean technical will give us what we want). If they delete the posts, then they face the possibility of inflaming the situation. Samsung are a very savvy company. They don't want negative press and they certainly don't want their most loyal customers posting negative comments. They will address this one way or another if you persist. At the very least they will get a message out. An explanation as to why they won't help the dev's could at least make people feel less let-down by them.

Like I say, I understand your point, but I am not missing it, I'm ignoring it if anything.

It's all well and good having a great relationship with Samsung, but familiarity breeds contempt sometimes. They may think that dev's can be fobbed-off, but ultimately it is the users that are going to get annoyed if dev's start to walk away from their device.

One final point, to address something that infuriated me earlier. I wouldn't condone any DDOS attack as we were accused of by a senior member earlier, and what we are doing is far from it. The reason I wrote the original statement was to keep a lid on potential and unintentional insults. If you send one nicely crafted message, that isn't rude, then the message is clear. If you ask people to 'lean' on Samsung by posting on their social media sites, then because of the number of different people we have on here from other countries, then the message they post in their English could actually sound very abrupt, or worse they may unintentionally make it sound aggressive and demanding. That isn't an insult or a criticism. I travel all over Europe with my job and know that this is just the way it can sound and sometimes the author just isn't aware they're doing it, especially if they are trying to write in a non-native tongue. Therefore, you take one statement, people translate it, and you post it up. One clear, non-insulting message that politely asks for something we need. Nobody gets hurt, nobody gets insulted and the message is clear from consumer to supplier.

It might work, it might not. But it is polite and asks, rather than demands. Hopefully Samsung will actually respect that their most loyal fans have actually gone about this in a very dignified, if slightly persistent way.
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
It's funny how they're acting in their tweets like they didnt hear those concerns before... like it's something totally new for them. They did know, they just bother to say something about it now.

At least they're better than LG. Those just silenced completely when it came to the LG 3D and blocked, totally ignored all the spam on their facebook pages. Nothing happened. So ya, Samsung could have behaved worse.

EDIT: Could you guys actually stop the argument? We're all on the same side here, arent we??? And what's with the forums big suits on here. Why be against this campaign? It's user driven/powered. It's none of your business if people violate some social media's ToS! They just wanna be heard. And the best way they can do that is by something like this. So how about losing that Titanic Captain mentality and suck it up. At least they got a response and androidcentral covering the story. Now that there's attention, let's move on to the next step.
[Galaxy S III General] ManCityFC:
I'm not falling for it mate. Poke me and prod me, but I'm not falling for it. I rest my case. We can let others draw their own conclusions on who's being a child now. Debate over.
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
They didn't hear those concerns because those are social media/PR people who have no say or pull in anything - especially at a company like Samsung. All they do is fire things up to their manager, and so on. It probably is new to them because we choose to go the correct route and communicate with those who actually can make decisions, not those who sit in front of their computers and tweet and read Facebook and reshare pics of bears.

And just because we ask the correct people doesn't mean they have to immediately give us their intellectual property - no way.
[Galaxy S III General] :
I have some stuff to say

1. If money is the reason why Samsung doesn't release sources, then GIVE UP...

2. Remember, if they release, it's only because people and devs are crying a lot, they don't have to release,

3. If they release, it would be an incredible step for the SGSIII. I mean: extended support by CM (let me say, if they don't release sources, and also don't release next Android update, CM11 might not even boot and have anything or everything broke); Fly out of the batteryxperformance graph, allowing devs to improve performance and battery both to 100% (100%, 1%, 1000%, 10%, whatever) more power.

4. If you want a boring device which have no bugs at all, and it's noob free, with awesome improvements due to opensource, buy a Nexus.

To get exynos sources you would need to pull some Ethan Hunt here, break into Samsung facilities and steal it from a 7 locks safe box.

Or, you know, you can just wait for a miracle... Good luck
[Galaxy S III General] Stevemeister:
Well thats good news! We need more news sites like The Verge, Phonedog, Technobuffalo and Phonearena that would mean massiv exposure.
[Galaxy S III General] bartela:
Ye it's funny to hear their answers, but keep bombarding Sammy and hope for sources
[Galaxy S III General] stefanACM:
I think we did it!

https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/255733883449004032
[Galaxy S III General] Stevemeister:
Shouldnt we invite Galaxy SII (i9100), Galaxy Note (N7000), Galaxy Note II (N710x) and Galaxy Note 10.1 (N80xx) users to the party to?

They will benefit from better sources and documentation too.
[Galaxy S III General] CaraMuuu:
I don´t get it. We are customers. Twitter and facebook pages are there for the companies to communicate with customers. We can kindly ask for something and they can kindly reject. For me is as simple as that, we lose nothing, they lose as much as they want.

It´s funny for me to read that if Samsung reveals this information everybody could be able to make their own Exynos... really? As someone said before, if TI/Qualcomm can release sources for these specific libs then why not Samsung? Again we are not forcing to do anything, we don't have the power for that, we know this and they know it too. We're are just trying to get something, with no hope and with no risk, we have too much free time maybe, and nothing to lose.

Then, we were told that this is not professional... are we professionals at all? I mean, I'm a user, I don't need to be professional. Are they professional in their marketing campaigns? Nope (I know, it's completely unrelated, I just had to say it).

In conclusion, if we keep this under control, shouldn't do any bad to anyone. Developers already used the "proper" ways to request this with no success. A video was published here by the staff, and probably only a few geeks saw it (no offense, we all are geeks), probably half of them considered it interesting or funny. In the meantime CyanogenMod dropped support for i9300, and that didn't cause any response by Samsung (normal, their sales are not affected by this)... so the fact that some angry users want to make a little noise (peacefully) is just a natural consequence. Sadly, we live in these times in which a youtube viral video can have more impact than a petition signed by thousands of people... let's just peacefully try for a couple of days. It's not a great plan, but is better than nothing.

Sorry about my English
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
you obviously don't understand how the internet works and how obama got elected :P

.... just sayin ;)
[Galaxy S III General] ThilinaC:
No fb for me,so posted on google +
[Galaxy S III General] TecQuality:
Hopefully, however i've just tweeted them. :thumbup:

Sent from my GT-I9300 using latest Nightly
[Galaxy S III General] ManCityFC:
This is the most disgusting, insulting, demeaning, bullying and downright pathetic post I have ever had the displeasure to read on XDA. You ought to be utterly ashamed of yourself. You have broken umpteen of the rules with this. Disgraceful. How you can even utter the word 'immature' in the same breath as this drivel is amazingly ironic.

You disagree with it, fine, tell us why or walk away (latter preferably), but keep your insults to yourself.
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
This is great, I am looking forward to what might happen. My previous device was Optimus 3D and we didn't get any official response from LG whatsoever about a much bigger issue than this - the phone was not receiving calls (ghost calls) and also we didn't get the promised ICS in q3 this year. So I am happy with even a **** you response from Samsung, at least we got noticed.
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
Hahahaha..... :D

Oh, you were serious?? 0_o

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[Galaxy S III General] :
OP updated! :D

Hope it's more legit now... ;)
[Galaxy S III General] piratemurray:
Senior mods (especially those with the "special relationship" with Samsung) has anyone from Samsung actually contacted you asking you to stop the requests for Exynos documentation and certain libraries from this thread?

Just interested to know where your assumption that this campaign damages your working relationship comes from?
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Yes. That is actually how I found this thread. Samsung staff actually pointed me to this yesterday as I don't frequent this area of the site...

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!