yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Alright, looks like that's it.

Good work to anyone that tried to hassle Samsung into releasing the source code.

When it comes down it, people tried the correct/respectful way. Samsung made us believe they were coming to the table... they lied.

Then people tried alternative ways, Samsung again made us believe they listened and were coming to the table, again, they lied.

We can't say we didn't try.

And tbh who needs source code to develop? I'm going back to stock and breaking out titanium backup pro...

I'll be a recognised developer in dayz. .

Xda cnp developers ftw :rolleyes:

Edit... although I have to admit, getting a response (even if it was a lie) the way we did by hassling them was a bit immature...

Samsung and these other big companies would never act like that.

I'm now going outside to invent and patent cutting a blade of grass from (not limited too) left to right in a sweeping motion on a (but not limited too) horizontal plane...
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
It was a valiant effort, but I think it was always going to end this way......I think I will borrow that patent of yours and cut from right to left, so I lay claim to that patent.....if we pool our resources we might even invent scissors! ;):D
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
They had me fooled for awhile... again!!

I really thought they were going to step up and throw us all a bone around the time of the big android bbq.

Fool me once shame on them..

Fool me twice shame on me :mad:

Just wish that when people were asking them on social media for source code, they had of said "look we can't afford or are not willing to release the information you are requesting, sorry but we have legal obligations"

Instead of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcI-rHO0yko&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*maybe Samsung didn't say those EXACT words, but you know what I'm saying :p
[Galaxy S III General] tiktakt0w:
Signed

Told my friends to sign too. All we can do now is to hope and wait for the best.

Finger-crossed.
[Galaxy S III General] Andy:
Keep is respectful & on-topic.

Anymore and this thread will be closed.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Join us at our new Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/FreeExynosSourcesMovement :good:
[Galaxy S III General] gavin-phelan:
So whens the new attack ;)
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
Keep p all this talk to the Facebook page :)

Xda do not permit it
[Galaxy S III General] beginnerteur:
Didn't you post that on the first page of this thread or do I have closed eyes and can't find it?

EDIT: Aaaahh I checked it, you have to click on the facebook icon. Maybe you should bring it more out or write under the fb & twitter icons something like "join here / to"

Sorry for my English!
[Galaxy S III General] arek_pl:
I joined and I hope that at the end of the free samsung exynos
[Galaxy S III General] :
Samsung need to learn from their enemies! ;)

[tweet http://bit.ly/UCrHNT]

You are all free to "attack" whenever you like. Just do it wisely. :cool:
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
They aren't going to "learn" nor will this help. You're just continuing to give the community a bad name and working negatively against those of us who are trying to forge positive relationships with the OEMs. That is my role (one of them) here at XDA as OEM Relations Manager - and I will say this. You are not helping, especially with continuing this rhetoric about "attacking"
[Galaxy S III General] borjaag:
Does it mean something?

Well... the Exynos4 BSP that came with the ODROID U2 is fantastic, and as far as I can tell this is now fully… http://goo.gl/R0we1
[Galaxy S III General] DeadSOL:
:good: jerdog, you are one of the few who actually speaks some sensible stuff! People are just going to give the XDA community a bad name. If someone is not happy with the current state of affairs, pick a new device and move on! :cowboy:
[Galaxy S III General] :
What is your defenition of a positive relationship with an OEM? Meaningless promises and desperate hope?

I don't see any positivity in the "relationship" of developers with Samsung!

Why are you all saying this?! "Pick a new device and move on"?! It's not a solution, it's just running away!

I'm not supposed to buy a new device just after 4 months I bought this one!
[Galaxy S III General] DeadSOL:
Look, mate. We'd ALL love to have the documentation and, in a perfect world, we'd get them! The problem is that you're asking this of Samsung. They aren't some small pushover company who're going to kneel before your attacks/pleads/requests/threats. They're a massive company and with the sales of the Galaxy S3 (over 35 million), they really couldn't care less. In fact, show me a law where they're contractually obliged to give out their source codes. If they don't have to, they won't. Plain and simple.

Also, the decisive power does NOT lie with the people you are trying to contact. Do you actually believe that these people can share the source code for their best selling phone? Nope. That power must lie with the heads in Korea. I really don't think they know about XDA. Even if they were informed, a couple of hundred people (out of 35 million) complaining and shifting to another device would not change their minds.

I'm sorry but those are the facts. I do admire the effort and I wholeheartedly support your movement but think of what jerdog said: You're tarnishing XDA's reputation and scaring away other OEMs.
[Galaxy S III General] drakester09:
Absolutely correct.

The people that handles social media usually has very little or no leverage inside an organization, if upper management does not act or care then you are wasting your time.

If a guy with 4 member titles tells me I'm being silly and tarnishing the community, well, I should stop doing so... ;)
[Galaxy S III General] wednesday13:
I hope samsung loses again to apple. F*kk them
[Galaxy S III General] :
I never said they're "contractually obliged" to give out their source codes, but who the **** said that if they don't have to, they won't?! NO! It's not plain and simple!

And did you all forgot this?

https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/261482746101235712

We achived it with our first "attack/plead/request/threat"! Then we found out they lied again... But at least we know that it works!
[Galaxy S III General] offgrey:
I don't know if I just bought in to Samsung's excuses or not, but it makes sense that they can't just release ALL the sources for Exynos right now, even if they wanted to.. Not all of the chips and components are Samsung made. There is still proprietary tech on the board. They might be a huuuuuuge company with a lot of connections but if their current suppliers suddenly blacklist them for releasing information that they haven't agreed to releasing, then Samsung will not only have problems in their supply chain but also in the courts.

This is, of course, assuming that Samsung means to release the code and is just waiting for the go signal from the suppliers. But who knows.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
My previous phone was an xperia x10.

It was completely locked down and devs at XDA went against Sony's wishes and bypassed the bootloader.

EVERYONE hassled Sony constantly.

Look at Sony now... OEM of the year.

That was back before most general threads existed. I think the x10 general chat thread was one of the first. The first post after the op was 'you can't do this... the mods will close this down'. You just about needed a log cat to laugh.

'Giving XDA a bad name?' last time I checked, the devs here rip the guts out of the OEM's products against their will.

So you're working with the OEM's. You can thank everyone that owned an x10 for Sony's openness now. Especially the free xperia team.

The only reason Sony are taking the path they are taking is because the community forced their hand.

IMO Samsung felt the pressure a few months ago... unfortunately they blew smoke up our arses and didn't have to release their 'unbroken' 'usable' source code.

If they don't have too, they won't. Simple as that.

I'm glad Sony realised how much they benefited from word of mouth and keeping the XDA community happy.

I have a feeling Samsung think they are too big to worry about a small percentage of people. Time will tell.

If we aren't allowed to demand the sources from Samsung I'd bet there aren't many software updates left for the S3 unfortunately. Or no CM11.2.

This is just my opinion. Since we have been told to basically forget about this cause, I will no longer share my opinions here.

I've read that a lot of people are for some reason getting annoyed by forcing a big company to allow a small percentage of their customers to get the latest firmware in 2 years without having to buy a new product.

If this is the wish of those in charge, I'll respect it.

I hope you have something up your sleeve. Goodluck

*edit... maybe I'm wrong and Samsung are helping out as much as they can.

It's hard to get the true facts. Again, good luck
[Galaxy S III General] Kouya1600:
I also hope that Samsung releases the source code. If then for ALL devices. Thus one can mistake the Samsung screwed up the fixed itself. I refer to the ROM-DEVS.

Otherwise, Samsung will also lose me as a customer

from German
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Chortle chortle. :thumbup::D
[Galaxy S III General] Tenacious:
Well I think that Samsung will release source code because exynose has gone international with note II and I'm sore same will be with sgs4 and all future Samsung phones, just give them time.

Maybe I'm to optimistic, but will see because I can't afford new phone for at list another year so I'm not going anywhere.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
What are you talking about? Exynos has always been international. Samsung USA has never had exynos in their devices, only qualcomm.
[Galaxy S III General] Tenacious:
Not any more exynose has crossed the pound there are no more Qualcomm note II in us only exynos, this was logical after Samsung released exynos sgs3 with lte chip.

PS

Know your enemy.lol
[Galaxy S III General] :
I wonder what their definition of "by the end" is... :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/AntonLiv92/status/285630900430049280
[Galaxy S III General] rocky12345678900:
my advice is to move this discussion completely to facebook...coz on xda we cant talk about spamming and so on...but without bad press we will get nothing samsung will forget about the case (dont let them do it) move this thread to fb / twitter
[Galaxy S III General] Lirkaren:
Well, it depends on what calendar they use. In Egypt it's year 6254 and I am sure there is a country somewhere where Samsung has a few thousand years left before they release the sources.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
OK so whoever it was mentioned Sony, the reason they became so dev friendly was because their sales were going down the toilet and they saw a lot of negativity written about aforementioned issues that people were having. Whole they had positive sales predictions they didn't care about complaining devs and enthusiasts, but once reality hit they knew they needed to get their foot in the door, any door, and that just happened to be in the enthusiast community. That's why they helped and released sources, blobs etc. BECAUSE IT SUITED THEM.

Now let's look at Samsung, huge growth in sales numbers year on year, this year being off the charts, well it all looks good for them in their accounts so a few noisy users out of hundreds of millions just don't matter. They have done a fair bit already for the community, I mean they don't lock bootloaders, they are pretty damn fast with updates and they don't f*ck around with kernels and sources a la nvidia and HTC. (Using 2.3 kernel in ICS)

So, they want to keep their trade secrets a secret, well damn, that's disappointing. Oh well, that's their prerogative.

Now, take jerdogs advice and stop this childish carry on and be respectful in the way you do things. You are pissing off the community so god only knows how much you are pissing off the media graduates that are behind the Samsung social media outlets, oh and they have no power to do anything you ask.

Leave this to people like jerdog, entropy512 and codeworkx, they have a lot more tact and maturity.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Damn, nods, you have so many awesome opinions that my 8 thanks a day simply isn't enough! :p

Here's a few thumb up's for you instead: :good: :good: :good: :good:
[Galaxy S III General] Andy:
On that note,

Thread Closed.
[Galaxy S III General] da.trute:
This is a perfectly good phone as it is, millions of people are perfectly happy with it, and have never even heard of XDA, XDA is about getting more out of you phone on occasion fixing the odd bug pre ROM update, what samsung already provided in hardware specs and ROM software is more than adequate in my opinion, to demand more... well that just makes you sound like a spoilt brat.
[Galaxy S III General] piratemurray:
I appreciate you have a different point of view but I believe that Twitter/ Google+/ Facebook / etc are not just sounding boards for companies but places of conversation. Part of that conversation may involve highlighting the plight that ROM developers face with Exynos chips directly to the manufacturer.

I do agree with you that there should be alternative avenues we should explore such as setting up an independent website away from XDA, but I suspect XDA was chosen for immediate convenience.

Not cool dude.... not cool at all. There's no need to speak like that.
[Galaxy S III General] kcrudup:
:rolleyes:

No, you're not.

They sell GS3s by the millions. They don't need us, nor care about us more than peripherallly.
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
See my most recent post. Samsung's social media accounts won't get you anywhere because they're so locked down and insulated from those who can make decisions. XDA is NOT the choice for this sort of thing - and that's coming from XDA management and those responsible for the site.
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
It has truly saddened me to see this thread. If only this issue been handled properly with a little forethought and greater understanding of the topic then it would be a truly noble and worthwhile cause. Unfortunately this is a farce and from Samsungs point of view is only going to look like a bunch of petulant kids making demands.

You appear to be confusing Android with business. Samsung is a company whose sole purpose is to make money, not further the development of an open source OS. I genuinely hope you are sincere about "having lost your spirit to buy another Samsung device", I'd hate to bump into you in the S4 forum further down the road.

I appreciate the idea behind this thread however this line from the OP "Our "plan" is to flood Samsung's Facebook pages......" completely negates your post (not through any fault of your own mind you). If that's not bombarding their media sources then I don't know what is. A concerted effort on behalf of the development community to request information is one thing, spamming an OEMs facebook page(s) is something else entirely.

If this were an end users forum then there'd be less of an issue. This however, is XDA Developers and this thread reflects badly on the developers present on the site.

Your sources?? If they were yours why would you need to ask for them...

I'm pretty sure they belong to Samsung and it's up to them to decide what to do with them.

Nope, no sense of entitlement around here.... :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] kcrudup:
WYS. Too bad it's apparently fallen on deaf ears.
[Galaxy S III General] pulser_g2:
There's nothing wrong with requesting change... All of the major accomplishments of the 20th century were achieved through asking for change. The difference between women winning the right to vote, the abolition of slavery, and the introduction of racial equality, and this PR barrage, is that one group of campaigns were carried out in a mature, reasoned and intellectual manner. The other is being carried out by what frankly appears like a group of bungling 12 year olds (or those with a proficiency of the English language putting them into the same perceived pre-teen age-group).

There's nothing wrong with trying to ask Samsung to release sources. You do it in a constructive manner...

Having a million-and-one goons send a poorly worded and unclear message to Samsung thousands of times won't help. In fact, whoever operates the social media channel you are using will be given express permission to ignore these messages. Or they will be told "send something to placate them and let's get on with business".

If you genuinely and truly want to see change here, you NEED to go about it through the correct routes. Spamming front-line customer service staff won't help. Most of the PR people there won't have a clue what hwcomposer or Exynos even is. The only way to get something like this beyond the front line customer support, and up to those who can assist you, is to act in a mature, adult fashion. Make a reasoned and clear argument here. Request comment and feedback from those who UNDERSTAND the technical issues and are prominent and respected in their field. I'd suggest anyone less than an Elite Rec Dev is not suitably qualified to offer an insight into that. ERDs have contacts through their work, and know who to talk to about things.

They don't spam, they hold meetings and discussions with the people at a higher level, and try to make progress. Actions like those in this thread undermine the genuine and sincere attempts made by REAL developers to make progress and perhaps gain more documentation or source code. Campaigns like this appear farcical to companies. Frankly this is no different.

I'd love to see Samsung do this, but it won't come about through immature spamming and flooding. It comes about through reasoned and informed discussion direct with those who can make the changes.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I hope the people with the loudest voices here now have the good sense to wake up, realise that they are talking to several senior, and highly respected members of XDA, and then furthermore shut up, start listening to what is being said by those people, and pay some bloody attention.

I have only the utmost respect for the patience of administrators and moderators involved here now, and a total loss of respect for the people arguing with them.

Sent from an exasperated mind.
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
I believe the email will reach them - but the response won't come back.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
I just picture the e-mail falling down the precipice a la Willie E Coyote :p
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
That's right - forgot about the flow there =)
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
How about this:

You guys who know what we need and know how to correctly word it help us with writing a text instead of mentioning a billion times that what we write is wrong?
[Galaxy S III General] mikef:
This has been done already multiple times by the "guys who know what we need" to the people in charge and the answer has been "No". This has been mentioned in the thread several times already. Correctly worded requests repeated thousands of times to the wrong people is not going to help.
[Galaxy S III General] luizffgarcia:
And you think they sell millions because of what?! Take a look on how many Galaxy S1 they sold and compare it to S2 and S3, their reputation is growing and the average user don't know the difference between a megabyte and a megapixel

I myself have converted about 10 iSheeps to Android and i know another 10 Android users who have done it as well.

So feel free to think what you wish, but many including me will disagree with you...

They may not care about us, but they are making a mistake that can cause some damage to them in the future, just like Apple's new crappy iphones with purple haze cameras are doing to Apple...
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
I really do not see an issue in what we are doing...

We are requesting this source code information for a piece of kit we have purchased off Samsung...

The device we have purchased is/should be ours to do as we please within the law.

Would you buy a car without a manual?

Sorry if I'm missing the whole point.
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
I'm afraid you are.

If your device came without a manual then you go back to the retailer and get one. If you'd like detailed information on a companys intellectual property then you need to ask very nicely and be prepared to show that you are able to actually make good use of it.
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
The amount of people who own these devices and give even the slightest hoot about a subject like this is miniscule.
[Galaxy S III General] da.trute:
XDA is a great site but also knows it's place, it should not make demands and receive no demands in turn from manufactures, there is a symbiosis at work here that some of us here care enough about not to damage.
[Galaxy S III General] RoadXY:
Rootzwiki seams to have picked up some of it:

http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...d-r1173?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[Galaxy S III General] :
Exactly!
[Galaxy S III General] kroat999:
samsung korea has Kontakted Codeworkx
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Are you saying that developers wouldn't make good use of the source codes?
[Galaxy S III General] luizffgarcia:
They don't need to, that's exactly my point!

We, advanced users and developers are the ones convincing them that Android phones are better than iPhones because of X and Y.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Of course you don't. Else, you wouldn't be doing it :p

You can do whatever you want with your device as long as it is allowed by the law... again, no one is arguing this.

No, but a manual and a detailed diagram on how to make a car yourself are two different things.
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
No, I'm sure they would.

What I'm saying is that spamming a companys social media outlets with a poorly thought out demand for "sources" is never going to get you anywhere.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I hope when all this is said and done, that people here that are guests of this forum, as indeed I am, wake up and realize that they have no right whatsoever to use the XDA name to launch campaigns that have no official sanction from the administrators.

As has already been said.....a bit of forethought would have worked wonders here.

My last and final wish is that if this thread gets locked down, it be left to conantroutman to do it, with his usual flair for the sublimely funny! :D
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
Once again, no you're not.

The squillions of £'s/$'s in advertising is what convinces them to buy one, that and the fact that a lot of people can't afford an iPhone on contract and "settle" for what the saleperson assures them is the second best phone available and is substantially more affordable to a lot of people.
[Galaxy S III General] anup123456:
I see some good news there ;)
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
As much as it confuses me to say this..... I don't actually want to close this thread. Something has been set in motion here and who knows, maybe, just maybe something good might come from it.

Despite its failings this thread actually contains a decent amount of people intent on steering it in the right direction and for that they should be applauded. I and indeed all of the moderators posting here genuinely hope that the desired result is achieved so it's pretty likely that this thread will be left open until we here a definitive yes or no from Samsung themselves. :)
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
How is this relative to anything? Just noting that Samsung released the kernel source for the Note 2 like they've released for all the devices, but left out some essential pieces, like they do for all. Samsung's source releases always leave out something - but in no way does this post have anything to do with this discussion here.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Who said it was a demand? We don't demand it, we are asking for it by appealing to Samsung in the form of a poorly-worded letter (as you mention it)

Can you help us, then, by making it better-worded?