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[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
Bull****. If this were the case, then TI wouldn't have omapzoom. Qualcomm wouldn't have CAF.

But they do. This is despite the fact that Qualcomm is one of the only manufacturers that customizes the actual ARM core itself.

Qualcomm DOES have "secret sauce" that they don't release - there are a bunch of Krait-specific optimized libraries that unlock extra performance (and CM gets dinged in Quadrant due to lacking these), however at least Qualcomm releases everything needed to get a highly functional device without piles of integration bugs. Same with TI.

There's nothing that "special" about Samsung's CPUs. TI and Qualcomm have their equivalents of every single component, at this point they are equal to Samsung in capabilities, and TI/Qualcomm actually release fully functional up-to-date reference source with a complete git commit history for these components.

The audio mess is more Yamaha than Exynos unfortunately... Wolfson-based devices (such as I9300/N80xx) don't have the huge pile of audio bugs Yamaha-based devices do in CM. I will never buy another device with Yamaha audio either, but at least Samsung (and seemingly every other manufacturer) has moved away from that disaster.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I don't know if this has been answered before, but is there a logical explanation as to why Samsung haven't yet given us anything of use? What purpose is there to hold on to it for themselves? I mean, many people here say that doing what we do in this thread will have no use, but doesn't this give Samsung bad PR or something like that?

Are all of the current articles being posted plain bullcrap?

Entropy512: You seem very experienced in this, so let me ask you this: Do you, at all, think this has the slightest chance of actually working?
[Galaxy S III General] E:V:A:
Samsung started locking their shaijt up even more after Apple went bananas and started their thermonuclear suing war against SEC. Apple and SEC have completely opposite (and incompatible) business ideologies.

We should blame Apple for their BS patent war!

We should blame SEC for becoming greedy and loosing market perspective by trying to play Apple games in an far-away arena.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
No, we shouldn't. We should blame the United States patent laws. They allow companies like Apple to behave like this. I mean, give fuel and matches to an arsonist and what's he gonna do? He's gonna use them to his advantage, just like Apple is using the patent laws to their advantage. Simple, albeit very dirty business strategy.
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
I created a thread inside one of the biggest German Android Community-Forum, so we get even more people on our side who help us:

http://www.android-hilfe.de/samsung...ingen-den-exynos-source-code-freizugeben.html
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
It could be that the Exynos SoC contains some parts/technology that has been licensed by Samsung from other companies and under their contract they cannot give the full source code or documentation to everyone. Usually this is the reason why companies release binary only drivers since there's no reason for them to give away their trade secrets for free.

If this is the case, there's no way that you pressure Samsung to release the full documentantion for their hardware by bombarding their official channels with silly tweets, giving demands like "if they won't do this within two months, I will..." or posting the exactly same thing on every Android website.

P.S.

And it's not like you guys have even right to demand stuff from Samsung that was never advertised to you. When you bought the device, Samsung didn't say in the box that the device will have an amazing support for CM and will be completely open source. Nope, they only promised that it would work with their own firmwares. They also released the source code for GPL'd stuff from their kernels since the license forces them to do so, but they have no legal obligation to do anything else.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
The more the merrier!
[Galaxy S III General] edwardtobia:
Yes Samsung don't HAVE to give us the code but at least we can try. If we don't try then we have no chance, end of.

Any decent company should listen to consumer requests and cooperate if possible.
[Galaxy S III General] tanjiajun_34:
Yes. We all don't have to buy Samsung product as well. Lets all boycott their product! See if Samsung does anything or not...? Will they be willing to risk it?
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
Yes, that's pretty much the only way to make your voice heard.
[Galaxy S III General] -A-P-M-:
I will do that for sure. Samsung doesn't care about customers, now even SGS3 Mini with specs comparable to SGS1 got JellyBean, and we don't have. That means no more Samsung for me.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
?????? ........Qué?

Got JB here ;) ......x2!
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
And another thread created on a Forum with a big community:

http://androidforums.com/samsung-ga...1098-push-samsung-release-exynos-sources.html
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Wow, so this went from a pseudo passive request for sources to a full blown boycott laced with what can only be described as black mail (ie do x or else we will y).

What is next in the agenda? I know... Why don't you guys try to capture some high exec's daughter and hold her captive until docs are released?

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Galaxy S III General] Codekrypt:
Don't give them any ideas lol.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I'm going to throw my dummy at the CEO and cry and stamp my feet and call him a horrible horrible man......any one else in?

Sent from Dead Pan alley.
[Galaxy S III General] Codekrypt:
Go for it. We are all with you lol.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
@ slaphead20

You are the funniest person in our whole sub forum :D:thumbup::thumbup:

《swagged from aokp》
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
Hate to break it to you but Google bought Motorola... expect some good things :)

...hopefully
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
A lot of people copy and paste the letters wrote on the first site of this and other threads and there is nothing wrong with it but can`t Samsung just turn on their spam filter and block the letters that they get over and over again that have just been copied and pasted?
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
true, saying i wont buy samsung anymore is not going to help the cause. atleast it will take out the frustration for a few. wanna know why? out of few million (20 million afaik) s3 devices sold the official installs of cm10 in s3 is 32,585 as per cyanogenmod statistics. Even if you double the current stats u will barely cross the 50,000 mark.

If we 50,000 members stop purchasing samsung mobiles there will be newbies who will fall for the jaw dropping stuff in s4 and buy it which will simply fill the void left by us ;)... so ranting ,demanding, spamming is not going to help. We need a professional way of handling the issue. THere are already thousands of users here who still dont understand whats this all about and might be spamming samsung social accounts which is not good.

We should find a way to convince them not force them ;)
[Galaxy S III General] tanjiajun_34:
You don't like a product. You don't buy it? It is very normal. If a restaurant serves you food like ****, you gonna visit it again? You going to introduce you friends as well? You not going to warn your friends that it tastes bad?
[Galaxy S III General] Toss3:
We already got a response, so at least they took notice. That's already a result which would not have been achieved without the flooding of their social media channels with requests. How do you suggest that we solve this professionally, when every attempt thus far has failed?
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Oh I know that, but the branch will still remain under the name of Moto (branding), just under El Goog management.

But yes, I agree there is always hoping for a brighter future :)
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
I have to agree with this too .. few methods are unprofessional yet it works(though we havent seen the final result of the reply). at the end of the day we need the result regardless of the methods used. But are we sure that samsung will proceed further with all our posts and comments in their social media sites? we have mentioned a few technical words afaik. Even if they forward our posts do the top management will they get enough details on what this is all about?

though i dont have any specific idea of a profesional way some senior dev from xda can send a mail to the concerned person with the following points

* Why these sources are needed?

* How it helps aosp community?

* How it helps/affects samsung and their sales?

* What are the pros and cons ?

A decent article on these details can be posted all over. Just my 2 cents of thoughts and idea ;)

We have to make them understand the scenario , simply asking them "pls give us the following things and help aosp community" wont help :)
[Galaxy S III General] atulalvenkar:
Hey bala hope you remember me from the disastrous Indian SGS2 thread.

It's not just about 32k odd members from SGS3, include 100, 000 people using CM9/10 for SGS2 and about 30k odd for Note. We are a sizeable market for Samsung.Also being a bit knowlegeable in the phone segment a lot of people value our opinions. So Samsung won't just loose us, it will loose folks who recommend their products to a wider market.I have convinced atleast 6 people in last 4 months to buy a Samsung. If they piss me off they won't get any recommendation from me.

About professional way of handling, all our hacksung devs have tried it for SGS2 last year, it didn't help.It' now time to show Samsung a "show of strength".I agree there are some people who don't know what's being asked and they start asking for everything to be opensourced.But the last I heard Samsung has contacted codeworkx again to know what it is that the devs want so we are fine there.
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
How about we all **** in a box and send it to head office or stage an occupy protest.... :rolleyes:

***Facetious post, do not take seriously***

It's sad that this actually need to be said but I get the impression we're only one step away from such lunacy.

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
There is a subtle difference between preventing your friends who were thinking about trying that restaurant and actively campaigning against said place because you had a bad experience.

One of them is being considerate to your friends, the other is called boycott...

hell, the only reason I brought this up is because someone literally just stated "lets boycott Samsung" (not the first time I have seen it in this thread either)
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Although you have to admit, if Samsung got 100,000 sh*t parcels it would definitely get their attention! :D
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I seriously think some people should relocate themselves if their only purpose is to kill the good mood we're having.. :rolleyes:

Just saying.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
i too have suggested more than 10 to 20 members, but most of them dont know anything about aosp and stuffs, so not recommending a phone of this quality for users who dont even know about aosp is a bad idea. They dont owe us, the same stands for us too we too dont owe them, if they dont support the open source community the way devlopers want then its time for us aosp lovers to switch flagship.

Hope it wont go that far.. im optimistic about the contact made with cody! Eagerly waiting to see how it proceeds.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
You see? This is a more sensible approach. Albeit the other devs have already told them, in person what they needed and why. At least, this is what Entropy has been saying up until now.
[Galaxy S III General] browy:
But Samsung's reputation will be damaged and that something they do not want. 50'000 people ditching Samsung is good enough for this issue to be addressed by the media and Samsung will loose even more customers as consequence. So this might force them to think twice about they way they're treating their customers now.

But it's not going to hurt us either. Tell me how long have we been begging for their support, did they ever provide us anything we asked? It's time for another method. Worth a try isn't it.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
ya, i remember some posts made by entropy here. :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:

How about a good article on how bad its going to affect samsung and their reputation in a long term perspective ?

lol, hence i said the end the result matters but not the way used to achieve it ;) We dont know whether its going to work or not, lets try ;)
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
:D
[Galaxy S III General] tanjiajun_34:
Oh sorry I guess I misused the word "boycott".

I just meant people will like keep themselves away from Samsung. Not by us starting a campaign to hate Samsung but based on bad experiences with it. But of course Samsung won't like the decrease of people buying their phones.
[Galaxy S III General] SiriusCybernetik:
You are absolutely right, but:

- the 'passive' request is mainly there to show Samsung how many people out there would like to see a little effort from Samsung that goes beyond his obligations.

- the 'blackmail' part you are referring to is implicit, it doesn't even need to be worded. What would you expect a dissatisfied customer to do next time he considers buying or recommending a product of this company?

This being said, I wish all of you good luck with this campaign. But stay realistic, the chances of Samsung actually giving away what you request are slightly greater than zero.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I am not talking about you or noddie ^^

I mean certain people of, uhm, higher rank.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I know ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
Well, believe it or not, I think Samsung is just totally out of touch with reality. I don't think anyone in management was aware of just how good of a reference CodeAurora and Omapzoom are, and what Sony has been doing to attract developers. We've tried to tell them in the past, but the fact that the firewall is a minefield of **** that will cause responses to just get dropped has pretty much blocked proper discussion. I kind of ranted at their contact that Samsung's ridiculous firewall policies WERE a part of the problem.

That's the problem... What is happening here is the result of all other avenues failing. This is the "we have reached our limits of patience and have nothing to lose" point.

What does Samsung have to lose? Anyone who considered AOSP support or firmware quality/openness in their buying decisions, or received recommendations from those who did. There are a minimum of 130,000 confirmed installs of Cyanogenmod on Exynos4 devices. An increasing number of users are becoming aware of why their devices is CONSTANTLY behind others in terms of updates. Those users are power users who likely are sought out by their friends for recommendations.

atinm and I both pointed out to our contact that they should take a close look at HTC - While we have no way of proving causation, there is a clear correlation in time between their fall from grace with the developer community due to bootloader locking and their market share crashing.

What do we have to lose? Nothing. If Samsung doesn't play ball, we just go buy Nexus devices or Sonys. I do feel somewhat sorry for those who may have difficulty purchasing a new device... But it's not that hard to eBay their device and buy a GNex. I've put in too many hours of my own free time and lost too much sleep to continue on unless something significant changes. Fighting Exynos has drained my passion for development. The XDA guys wanted me to talk at the BABBQ about a recent project or future one that gets me excited... My talk is going to suck because I really haven't done anything innovative or exciting for months. Just fixing/working around stupid bugs I shouldn't have to deal with, and countless hours reverse engineering crap I'd have clean source code for if I were working with OMAP or Qualcomm.

This is what happens when a manufacturer neglects a community to the point where members of that community start breaking.
[Galaxy S III General] Mr Woolf:
Perhaps it would be better to create another thread for all the negative 'discussion' and flaming so as not to clutter this thread with personal bun fights.

I commend the efforts of those trying to make a positive change. I struggle to see the agenda of some posters here (some of which I've only seen locking threads in other forums).
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
OK its like this. For me at least. In 2007 I switched to Apple because let's be honest their phone was, at the time, awesome and one of the "coolest" but not that functional. That changed into an Nokia a year later because I just couldn't stomach Apples tightwad ways. Now android on the other hand where an open community had been formed and was still rather small but growing. They preached openness and freedom. The manufactures even promised to back this up and helped the devs. Nothing was really sealed. They shared their knowledge. And this part really talked to my Linux soul. So I picked up my first android phone. And this is the only reason I keep on doing that. But now a company that promised to share with the dev community has failed doing so for over a year. A company that wouldn't have gained the traction it has if it wasn't for this community have turned their backs on everything I believed Android stood for. So yes calling boycott is totally OK. The only difference between Samsung and Apple has disappeared so I for one don't give a crap about Samsung anymore. And this wont change until they give what was promised. Sold my s3 and using my s2 until the next nexus device launches.
[Galaxy S III General] Nebulaeus:
Nerds are like hornets

This is amazing to witness. I really hope they realize that by witholding this documentation they are holding their customers in contempt!
[Galaxy S III General] itchy67x:
The question is have we act like riots to get what we want and help samsung on a bad way (maybey to sell more devices)

or should we polite and thankfull for the **** what they gave us...
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
http://www.pocketdroid.net/xda-members-mission-sources-samsung-exynos-chipsets/#more-36904

Another news story

The limelight is all good!
[Galaxy S III General] withfullforce:
What do you think about, to start the letter as the following...
[Galaxy S III General] drraptor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Kondik

Kondik is a Samsung employee, can't he do something ?
[Galaxy S III General] :
You think he didn't tried?
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
Well, manufacturers who have nothing to worry about are going to be happy. You know, the ones who have been held up as an example of "doing the right thing".

For them, they get customers with no risk, and without doing anything beyond what they are doing.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
True, but wasn't this the case with Samsung and why they got tons of HTC customers? Now look at what is happening... Company had a bit of a change of mind, much like HTC did and they are facing a PR storm. Sony changed in a similar manner as well but in the opposite direction or do you not remember Sony about a year and a half ago? Changes in management easily can change these things and they have to see this as a potential risk, in case they change again ;)

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Galaxy S III General] drraptor:
I mean any official word from him ?
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Just say the device is worth $500

If everyone that wants CM on their device follows the CM developers, that's 130, 000 people leaving Samsung.

130,000 x 500 = $65,000,000

I've personally sold 5 devices for Samsung purely because of my opinion.

3 of these people are looking into how to install CM on their phone but haven't yet done it.

If everyone of those 130,000 people only persuaded 5 people. (Easily done)

That's 650,000 devices sold because of people here.

650,000 x $500 = $325,000,000

Last time I checked businesses were all about profits, not loses of $325,000,000.

I have a work mate giving up apple products. He bought into the whole eco system.

He asked me last week about android and what's the deal with it.

Between now and the remainder of the year he won't be the only one to do this.

Is "hassle + man hours" really worth this much loss to a company?

Wonder if Sony knows there's a potential $325,000,000 coming their way within a few years because of how they're starting to work with developers.
[Galaxy S III General] Galactus:
I see people posting up websites about this news happening on websites. I'm still waiting to see it appear on Engadget, Pocket Now, Techradar and The Verge.
[Galaxy S III General] beaver2233:
its already on pocket now ;)
[Galaxy S III General] drraptor:
Verge and engadget are Apple fan, they will take their time
[Galaxy S III General] CallMeVentus:
Why would Samsung care for the $65,000,000 if they still have the rest of the buyers ?

Okay , presume they currently sold 30,000,000 devices and each of them costs $500 .

For our case:

30,000,000 - 130,000 = 29,870,000

They can still earn:

29,870,000 x $500 = $14,935,000,000

Okay , even if it was 650,000:

30,000,000 - 650,000 = 29,350,000

They can still earn:

29,350,000 x $500 = $14,675,000,000

They have a choice whether to stay closed source or not .

Sent from Ursa's claws.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
That's crap.

No company wants to lose money and $65,000,000 to $325,000,000 is a HUGE loss for any company, no matter what they're worth.

A lot of people want CM roms on their phone. I wouldn't think twice about following a good dev over to Sony if it means CM10/11/12.

My previous phone was an x10. I'm used to flashtool.

Hopefully Samsung realise the money good developers are worth to their company.

Either way, there's a lot of options. Why should I lose sleep if Samsung loses money :D
[Galaxy S III General] nerotix:
I hope everyone still does there 'daily portion of flooding' their social media else it's all been for nothing since nothing has been accomplished yet!

Regards
[Galaxy S III General] elsdon:
Haha promise me you guys will never go into business. Nobody looks at a market and is like, oh I don't mind losing x% of the people in the market that I can get.

First off, the actual quoted numbers you guys are using is off.. I think codeworkx mentioned something like 400k CM activations over the numerous Exynos4 devices..

Secondly, it's a simple equation.. If the Potential loss of revenue > Cost to fix the problem, then fix the problem, if not, then don't. In our case, it's a no brainer as I don't think it'll cost them much.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
you can pretty much guarantee Samsung's number crunchers have assessed potential damage scenarios already......and I doubt the results are favourable with regards to this campaign.

I would like to add this also.....

Over the last few days people have got annoyed with people spamming this thread with opposing opinions etc.

.....or should I say...very very annoyed, that their thread, intended for raising support, has been used for other purposes.

Has it occurred to anyone that this is exactly what you are doing to Samsung? Does it make you want to listen to our opinions?......no.....it just annoys the cr*p out of you.

Welcome to the mirror.
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
So Samsung have held out on the sources why? If it where such a no brainer why are they even discussing it.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Cool story bro
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Many thanks for the complement ;):D