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[Galaxy S III General] cmajetic:
lol jokes should be allowed and this method has more potential then whining :P

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[Galaxy S III General] Puenos:
U just gotta get PSY say that in an interview..

Oppan release Exynos-Sources Style..!
[Galaxy S III General] Steve_max:
IMHO, this isn't the question whose answer we need. We need to provide them with a reasonable answer, that makes sense to the bean counters, to a different question.

"What competitive advantage will Samsung have if they release the source code?"

We, at the XDA community, know what this advantage would be. They get better support from those of us who influence many sales. They turn some customers into fans. They get devices that, in the hands of some users, will last way longer than they would without sources/a good CM. They get even bug fixes "for free", when they take back from the community they've given to.

Now, how is that an advantage in the eyes of someone who knows NOTHING about technology, but knows about money? IMHO, it doesn't. Devices last longer -- so we sell less devices. You get code from the community -- it's from the community, so it's bad quality, we'll have to rewrite it again, and pay someone to keep eyes on that community. Those people say they will convince other people to buy our devices -- we pay our marketing team to do so, and its response is something we can predict. Those people, we can't predict -- it's a big risk. Not only that, but they're asking us to give them something for free; we charge companies that use our chips for the privilege of such information. And maybe there is something in there that would help the competition. It all looks like wasted money.

People are thinking backwards. They think as if Samsung had an obligation to release the source and documentation to their IP. They don't. They have an obligation to have as much profit as possible. What we need is to get across the message that releasing that source+docs will be worth more than doing nothing. Writing countless messages on their Facebook/Twitter pages won't help. Talking to some internal teams might help. Making engineering, marketing and PR teams understand that there is a net increase of profits by releasing the source AND convincing them to pass the message to people who have the power to decide -- that is what we should try.
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
Hmm so first "breakthrough". @Samsungsupport actually answered.

Will prolly do nothing but after a weeks of continual tweeting it felt nice....damn I need a life :D
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Making marketing and PR depts do a sensible thing?!

Easier to send a man to Alpha Centauri.

Browsing from the app
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Sorry, I assume your new to this thread and didn't feel it worth the effort of reading. This, first, response we have already had, almost, verbatim from at least two other PR teams within Samsung. This response roughly equals "we have heard your jabbering now stfu so we can go back to feelgood pr stuff"
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
Not new and seen these answers before. What I meant is that I haven't received anything personal since this started. Ergo I need life if Samsungs standard response actually made me feel 'good'.
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
Yeah but how do we reach those "internal teams" or the people who have "the power to decide"?
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
This is for all of you who claim that petitions don't work...

http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-closed-source-wifi-drivers-for-htc-amaze-4g/

It isn't that it doesn't work... the issue is that they take time.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
That's a finely crafted piece, lots to read between the lines! ;)
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Information gathering, sharing, and a kind soul to sought out and post helpfull information in a centralized way, rather then having to trawl for it i.e original post (not knocking op, appreaciate what you managed to get going)

Saying that, better something then nothing :good: but if we ever do get our way, i suspect it wont be for a long while, and eternal vigilance, and i suspect samsung are betting their hedges on the community losing steam, which their right, most of us will have gone over to some else,

---------- Post added at 10:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:33 PM ----------

Good for them:highfive:
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
I suppose when your sales are in freefall those 500 (yes FIVE HUNDRED) signatories could be vital, or just maybe after 7 months they felt that the competition knew all they where going to and released the drivers as they'd planned to.

Oops my bad 574, signatures!
[Galaxy S III General] labbe-:
yeah.. then compare it to the sgs2 petition with 11000 more signers which was started a month earlier.. im sure samsung will drop the sources now that htc gave drivers for 500 people
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32981274#post32981274

Theres your example right there samsung, now imagine that, after many more months of being ignored, and all im doing is informing someone of something they may or may not be interested in, he may very well go and buy the s3, or not

Hey jsyi84, hope you dont mind me using this as an example,

Ninja bloody grammer edit
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Peer pressure ;)

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[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
You apologize for off-topicness after the way most of this thread has been? Madness :eek:
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Not madness - good manners.

Damn! Another OT post.

My sincere apologies gentlemen and (if present) ladies. :)
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Yes we are present.....Thankyou for considering us. :D
[Galaxy S III General] SiriusCybernetik:
You ? A lady ? Never witnessed this level of sarcasm with the female gender. :p

Respect!
[Galaxy S III General] :
My post on Samsung Korea FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/SamsungTomorrow/posts/10151258751756488

Let's see if they have something to say about this...
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Pardon my ignorance but shouldn't it be in Korean?
[Galaxy S III General] :
I'm sure they all know English very well... :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] C0qRouge:
IT is already in OP: JOIN THE FACEBOOK SITE!!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/ExynosSourceCode
[Galaxy S III General] :
My tweet on Samsung Korea's Twitter:

https://twitter.com/AntonLiv92/status/259204283118022656
[Galaxy S III General] Rchard:
Protest

I am sure all of you know this thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1749214. This is the Korean thread. Can you contact some of these users and ask them to go protest against Samsung :)
[Galaxy S III General] Turbotab:
Nexus the stealth badger of binary bliss.....

If the rumored Samsung Nexus tablet is true, it will most likely pack a Exynos 5250 or 5450 to drive the 4 megapixel display. Won't Samsung have to release their sources / documentation to validate as a Nexus device?

Even though Nvidia isn't known to embrace the open-source community 100%, there don't seem to be any issues with sources / docs for the Nexus 7. Would any developers care to comment?
[Galaxy S III General] :
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32995739#post32995739

Let's hope this helps! :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy S III General] Rchard:
That's great. Its better than nothing but if they really like to adopt after market roms for this phone then probably best idea is to push them

and go in front of the Samsung office with signs about supporting the community.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
I got your pm, just have not had a chance to reply ;)

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[Galaxy S III General] Choda50:
I am not sure if this has been fixed in the past 8 pages, but the original statement says "none-sensitive" at one point near the end. Should be "non-sensitive". :)
[Galaxy S III General] x92:
Hi Anton, my English is not good either. I'm not sure if it's better but below is my suggested changes of the current statement.

The problem doesn't affect S3 only but to all Exynos devices as well.
[Galaxy S III General] k0ekje:
First of all great to see a beginning in this!

I agree with tumult to make a site like freeexynos.com or anything in that direction. On this site a detailed explaination of the problem can be given and what part of the code of the exynos chip is actually needed. Start a petition on this page so Sammy sees it's something serious. And post the message that people need to copy paste. Something like that.

However, we need more people in this. Not only people from the community, but also outside the community. The more people know the better and the louder we can speak. It might be an option to contact devs with a lot of followers on twitter. They can tweet and redirect their follower to the 'freeexynos' site. If Sammy does not reply to the actions already taken, we can bring it to the regular costumers (those who don't know anything about a community and custom ROMS) with a second message. This message should attract their interest in the first 2 lines en should people want to hit the 'like' button on the end. This message should be thoroughly thought. If this message is posted by, let's say, 5 people on facebook and everybody here likes this post you've got a hit on facebook with maybe 100.000+ likes in the first 2 days. Then al your friends see what you liked and they will like it to (if the message is clever). People are more willingly to like something that is already liked by so much people than something that is only liked by a few (hundredth monkey effect) . I mean don't underestimate the power of social media as it can be a big threat.

These are my ideas ;)
[Galaxy S III General] :
Thanks man! I've updated the original post! :D
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
m.engadget.com/2012/10/08/samsung-...e/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

It's a shame only this story gets picked up so easily.

Especially with the developer friendly slant they put on it. :banghead:

Keep posting and keep sharing at the links provided.

And maybe something will happen.
[Galaxy S III General] Aust S5:
Link given to the editor tech radar Australia

Noobs™ click here for help
[Galaxy S III General] k0ekje:
This might just work. Because of this article people are reminded of what devs can do with the source code. They are reminded of custom roms which are better than stock and ofcourse the years of support for a lot of devices. Some reply's already refer to XDA. If such exited people hear that there is source code missing they will definetly support us, without a doubt.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Funny that I tiped them just a few hours back on how Samsung doesn't realese all the required sources and now they publish this... :mad:
[Galaxy S III General] kroat999:
can you write to this site also this guys made the Interview with Codewrkx about Exynos

http://www.androidnext.de/
[Galaxy S III General] blackyz:
I don't think Samsung will provide this. Probably to prevent upcoming competition phones from rival companies
[Galaxy S III General] :
Done. :D
[Galaxy S III General] da.trute:
just wondering if you think its fair spamming the facebook page that the general public use, should you be spamming their support email instead?, cant see how p1ssing samsung off is going to help your case though.
[Galaxy S III General] XOONX:
i posted all facebook , let's go people ;)
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
Is it fair Samsung PR gets what they like printed by every outlet they choose?

And I am the general public btw. I paid just as much for my S3 as anyone else...

http://phandroid.com/2012/10/08/gal...ter/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

Leading people to believe they will have a fully functioning non stock rom on the expensive new phone they are thinking about getting?

I think not.
[Galaxy S III General] b3ndech0:
posted on all pages.... we should do it as long as the big blogs start to write about this... maybe any insiders here? Gizmodo? engadget?
[Galaxy S III General] :
Support emails seen only by Samsung. Their Facebook pages, on the other hand, is seen by the general public and that's what they afraid of - other people seeing that thier customers are not satisfied!
[Galaxy S III General] da.trute:
I was thinking about Samsung but other non XDA Facebook users, you know the majority who genuinely use the page to log faults and get help with customer services, cant be very nice for them to troll through pages of these posts. Really can't see this helping your case. Think this would have the same effect if you switched to emailing the CEO, or their support section, has to be a better way to do this.

Good luck anyway.
[Galaxy S III General] :
We are on androidnext.de (in German):

http://www.androidnext.de/schwerpun...f-bittet-um-hersteller-support-und-quellcode/

Translated with Google Translate:

http://translate.google.co.il/trans...f-bittet-um-hersteller-support-und-quellcode/

:victory:
[Galaxy S III General] stefanACM:
I got answer from "Samsung Support" group:

"Hi Stefan, thank you for reaching out! Unfortunately, we do not have any info on this yet. I will pass this information on for further evaluation. We appreciate your feedback. Thanks!"

LINK
[Galaxy S III General] sargorn:
Arguably that would be better done via support emails directly to Samsung vs posting on a facebook page too.

I can't think of any time I've had problems with products and I've thought, you know what, maybe I'll turn to facebook for the answer!
[Galaxy S III General] Naismith:
Good luck with this mission :good:
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
My understanding of the nexus program is that with a nexus device, you are supposed to be able to enjoy pure Android (aosp) right out of the box. I don't recall open source hardware being a pre-requisite to qualify as a nexus device. I could be wrong though.

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Galaxy S III General] rlorange:
This thread is hilarious! Nice way to offset to reality of the situation... reading this is like watching the US media spout drivel leading up the election...
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Nobody has talked about canning big bird yet though :confused: :Cyclops:

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[Galaxy S III General] :
You are welcome to continue reading this thread, but please keep your nasty comments to yourself! :good:
[Galaxy S III General] rlorange:
This was not directed at the OP I support the cause of this thread and I am not a cynic... it's just good entertainment is all :)
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Thats cool, i think alot of us are enjoying it, but comparing this thread to the farce that is the american media/presidentials, shame on you, for draging this thread down that gutter :silly:

....... only thing is i wish i was kiding, America, where freedom goes to die.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
...."Stealth and subtlety are the means by which giants are felled"

Anon
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
"Life is just a bowl of All Bran.

You wake up every morning and its there"

The Small Faces

Ogden's Nutgone Flake ;)
[Galaxy S III General] :
* OP reorganized. :o
[Galaxy S III General] Agoneous:
How about a petition on Change.org?
[Galaxy S III General] :
You are more than welcome to start one! :highfive:
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Sure, but I assumed the point of going to Korean sites was to bring it to a wider audience, and are not most of the users of that site going to be non-native English speakers? Plus to my mind it's good manners where possible to address someone in their native tongue.
[Galaxy S III General] LarsenB:
I guess English isn't an international language after all then...
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
It isn't in that part of the world AFAIK.

Browsing from the app
[Galaxy S III General] lolhard123:
I like how news sites praise samsung instead of criticising them for posting worthless replies just to calm people down. Oh media you so silly.

Anyway I really hope this works keep up the great work guys! :good:
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Nevermind, it's too early to be making the mods lives hard-er :P
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
What, are you saying that our devs, should'nt, be learning korean in order to help further our cause?

Retorical and completly silly question :D
[Galaxy S III General] labbe-:
exactly 1000!
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
The hardware doesn't need to be open sourced in order to be accepted for the Nexus program. However, the features that are implemented in, let's say the Exynos 4 based tablet, would need to be open sourced without any binary only drivers.

This still doesn't mean that Exynos 4 would be completely open sourced since the tablet might only use some of the platform's features while the unused ones would still be binary only.

That's what pretty much happened with Nexus S. Before it's release, there really wasn't any usable port of Cyanogenmod for Galaxy S since it's Exynos 3 SoC was just as closed as our current Exynos 4 is. When the Nexus S was released this all changed pretty quickly since now they had the sources for stuff that was previously almost impossible to reverse engineer. However, while the phone itself was almost identical to the Galaxy S, it didn't have a support for TV-Out or FM-radio, so those features couldn't be implemented on the Galaxy S port of Cyanogenmod.

So yes, Exynos based tablet/phone would give the devs access to some of the closed down features, but it still might be impossible to make absolutely everything working.
[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
Good to see that the counting system wasn't wasted on you.
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
+1, for food for thought post
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
Well, I think it really would help to have someone who speaks Korean to actually explain the issue and what the devs really need to the Korean user community so that they could also join the cause and ask Samsung to release the information.
[Galaxy S III General] mihaits:
we've already had one for a long time:

http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...t-achieve-full-potential-of-purchased-devices

they got the drivers from htc with ~400 signs. We have over 11.000...
[Galaxy S III General] labbe-:
i know, right :cowboy:
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Oh i completly agree with what you say, but i was refering that we should'nt expect our devs to learn it, if they have no knowledge of it, or a desire too, but one that does, would pretty much be a super dev in my eyes, but yeah 100% agree
[Galaxy S III General] zygame:
I guess Samsung don't want you guys do what's you're doing on Galaxy phones. Fool company!
[Galaxy S III General] b-eock:
The Nexus S and Galaxy S series didn't use the Exynos SoC of any series. They both used the PowerVR SGX540. So they had the source they need. Which is why CM7-10 all have video out. You really need to get your facts straight before tying to sound right.
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
Galaxy S and Nexus S both use SoC called S5PC110, which was earlier called as Hummingbird and later Exynos 3110.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
I was too slow ^^

No they did, they had the hummingbird chip which was later renamed to exynos 3.
[Galaxy S III General] Turbotab:
EDIT far too slow.

The Galaxy S & Nexus did use a Exynos SoC with A8 (Hummingbird) CPU & PowerVR GPU.

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a3110&c=samsung_s5pc111_exynos_3110
[Galaxy S III General] b-eock:
Then I will say sorry and retract my statement. I am sorry. I was just calling it what it was when I used the phone :P no hard feelings?
[Galaxy S III General] Steve_max:
Some people here do have contacts within Samsung, who may point them towards the right people. But before that, the question (IMHO) still needs a clear answer. What competitive advantage would Samsung gain by releasing the sources? And more importantly, what can we say that would make the decision makers understand that advantage? I don't know those answers, sadly.

Spamming the CEO would do absolutely nothing to help. But a single, well-written, convincimg message going through the correct internal paths would. Remember, "having" a good idea that makes some extra millions to your company gets you promoted. Any reasonably smart marketing guy, if he understands the benefits to the company, will want to push it forward (while claiming ownership of the idea, obviously). So all we really need is one smart, ambicious Samsung guy who understands how this could help Samsung directly.
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Touche
[Galaxy S III General] Steve_max:
Too slow, but I'll add that the PowerVR SGX540 is a GPU, while Exynos is a SoC with an ARM CPU. The newer Exynos use Mali GPUs, while the older Hummingbird/Exynos 3110 used this PowerVR GPU.

Mali drivers are a big part of the problem, sure, but there's a whole bunch of other things that were closed on the Hummingbird.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Now we just need to find the person who can write this well written and convincing message... :o
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
It's all to easy to right off a message in English as spam, if someone has taken the time and trouble to get the message translated it shows respect and the fact that people are willing to put effort into the campaign.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Did we just come back full circle to the beginning of this? :p
[Galaxy S III General] Turbotab:
You've hit the nail on the head!

It has been made apparent that any decision will come from senior execs in Korea, so we must understand their business culture. Korea is a strict, hierarchical country that places great emphasis on respect and authority. Which explains why spamming media channels with puerile and occasionally rude messages will only force Samsung to be become more defensive, especially as these senior people are used to being treated with respect and deference, due to their cultural background and status within Samsung. Hurling insults at a construction worker might get you a black-eye, but it is unlikely to overly perturb them, as they often encounter this type of discourse, doing the same to a General, who is used to being top-dog, and you're going to really anger them.

We should acknowledge the effort Samsung has made in improving its products, and lets be honest the pleasure that they have given many of us, no harm in letting them keep face. The crux of the message must centre on the business advantage of closer co-operation with the public development community, as mentioned above. We should not preach technical improvements, even if it is a valid point, as the corporate ego of a technical giant like Samsung which owns its own fabs, builds supertankers and signs 40 Billion dollar deals is likely to become defensive of any perceived slight of its technical prowess.

The key to getting our requests met is to convince them that it will provide a strategic advantage over their competition and enhance their status, ultimately helping them become a prestige brand, like their arch rival Apple, and distancing themselves from the numerous Chinese start-ups.

Our key weapon in all this is too demonstrate the fervent passion that this issue has caused in our community, a passion only one other tech company has aroused in the last decade, Apple. At this stage the 'passion' nuclei are bouncing off each other vigorously, but the critical stage of fusion has not yet occurred, Samsung has the opportunity to either accelerate the process, or stop it dead in its tracks. Ultimately, the loyalty of Apple fans came through solid hardware / software & support, but most importantly they were made to believe they were part of a greater process, a revolution in their viewpoint. At his juncture Samsung, can decide to cement the support of its loyal & vocal core and transform itself into a brand that connects with us emotionally, rather than just technically.

IMO the most effective way of communicating to the top people at Samsung Korea, would be in the form of an open letter in a major Korean newspaper, outlining our views, this of course could be expensive, but I feel effective.