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[Galaxy S III General] avocco:
Failed?

How did you come to that conclusion? Its been sold out everywhere due to huge demand. Definitely not a fail in my books.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
It was me

I wonder if I can get my status changed from senior member to nobody member? I kinda like it. In fact I'm not even here. :ninja:

And start reading before you post rumours about people threatening to hold their breath and turn blue.

Again, it was ONE member who simply suggested we make a date and if nothing happens by that date, we ask Samsung if they forgot about us.

That way we're not kicking ourselves for waiting until after Christmas (when we lose the only advantage we have) and are left asking why we didn't do anything.

Again, I never threatened to buy a Nexus on that date, or tell people to not buy Samsung.. This is how rumours start.

Just read next time.

Edit... This is what I think happened.

Samsung guy 1* damn, there's too many asking for sources on social media. Let's give it to them.

Samsung guy 2* wait, let's try one more thing. If we can make it to Christmas we'll be ok. After that sales will die down anyway. We'll tell them they will get the source code AFTER Christmas.

Samsung guy 1* **** off. They won't fall for that. And even if they do, they'll make a date a week or two before Christmas and once they realise we're lying, they'll regroup, and flank us.

Samsung guy 2* no, one of them will convince the rest that's a bad idea and to give us time and just wait..

Samsung guy 1 and 2* MWA HAHA HAHA HAHA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVY1-v97Mic&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
Yes sold out in minutes and deliveries delayed for 8 (now 7) weeks. I guess they didn't expected a high end device selling for 300$ to sell that quick.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
was it you that was throwing a tantrum? well, the point still stands. you making demands that they have not even seen, acknowledged, and agreed upon makes you look and sound like a kid.

sorry that you don't understand how rumors can be made up. all it takes is for someone to skim over your comment then days later mix of it up with thinking it's some sort of important or official date and then reply with aforementioned mixed up recollection.

and this effect is seen by Theshawty getting confused with the ranmdom dec 12 date.

need I explain more?
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
I edited my post.. 'Samsung guy 2' was right

And no, I never threw a tantrum. To be honest, I've gave up awhile ago.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
so I heard you're from bizzarro world. How's the weather there?

again, read my point about making up dates that no one important knows and acknowledges.

go ahead and spam them, but regardless of when your imaginary due date, you would still have to wait.

just because it will turn into 2013 doesn't mean the exynos 4 chip suddenly stops working. in fact, with the exynos 5 coming out, it would not hurt them to release what they would deem as last gen and not a big secret to hide from competition.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Weather's good. I can put up a picture if you want.

I've never heard it called bizzarro world, but now that you mention it.

It'd explain why I'm on a site all about hacking my phone and getting the most out of it, and have you telling me "leave samsung alone, what did they ever do to you. They don't deserve this. LEAVE SAMSUNG ALONE.

****ing bizarre alright.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
did I say leave them alone? I said that they should be given time to follow up on their promises and if that date is past then have at ye.

I'm not the one who created a scenario of samsung guy 1 & 2 plotting to be evil nor did I made due date demand on a thread that samsung probably doesn't even care to read in some vain hope that your demand will somehow be magically seen by some exec who will suddenly make it happen in fear of your majesty.

bizzarro it is.

EDIT: do you go and harass someone 2 weeks before the date they told you something was going to be done because you put a sticky note on your fridge that they're gonna be done by the new due date mandated by you that they don't even know existed? that's what you're coming off as right now.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Have you at all taken into consideration their past behavior? If you did, you'd have understood why most of us act like this. They've lied to us before and who's to say they won't do it again?
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
It has been very well documented here on this thread about their failure to follow through with their promises. I understand the frustration but it also makes no sense to harass them before the date they promise (as awfully vague as it is) especially when some random person made up a date.

the point was that making up a date that no one (that can influence the decision) knows and acknowledges then harassing them when that imaginary date has passed is silly and juvenile. If they failed on this promise and they really did not make good on their promise this time, then by all means, have your way with them.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Yes, you want everyone to leave them alone.

Have to agree to disagree.

You think that samsung will release the sources at the end of 2012. I think they won't.

And yes, if I bought a bike and realised if had a restricted engine, I'd ask the guy I bought it off what's the go.

If he said bring it back in 2 months and I'll sort it out, and I thought he was lying, I'd ask him if he's still going to fix my bike. Nothing wrong with that right?
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Or if you bought a new bike (say Ducati) and it turns out the engine's locked down, and you know it can do so much more but because it's locked down, you can't trim it, and there's no instructions anywhere to help you understand the engine's design because it's new and Ducati withholds that knowledge to themselves.

In time, it would make them a ****ty company, right?

[DISCLAIMER: I mean no specific company and I merely used Ducati as an example.]
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
This date has nothing to do with samsung. It's not a threat.

It's a date that people here could have requested an update on what's going on.

If heaps of people ask at once there's more chance of a response then if a few people asked every now and then. But it was just an idea... The date has passed. Time to move on.

Hindsight.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
obviously you're not reading everything I'm saying. if you read the 2nd half of the first line, I specifically said "if that date is past, then have at ye".

If you think that means to leave them alone, then you're crazy.

and again, this falls into "i think, you think". it doesn't matter what you and I think. It matters on what they do or don't do. If they don't make good, then it's all fair game to go after them again.

If you bought the bike, and it has an issue, and you agreed to him saying that you should come back in 2 months, then you agreed upon coming back in 2 months. You making up a new demand 1 month later does not change the fact that you said OK to the original agreement.

This is the same thing. Samsung did not say send us your phone and we'll fix it for you by the end of the year. They're saying, we'll release the proper documentation by the end of the year. It is not 2013 yet, hence they still have time. Considering that this is something they're not legally required to provide, you have zero (and I really mean zero, nada, zilch) rights to demand what is theirs. If they don't make good on their promise, then go ahead and spam the hell out of them. but in the end, you still need to give them the time that they promised.

I'll say this again, since it seems to be a comprehension issue: Your imaginary date does not somehow supersede the official announcement. Get over it. If they fail on this promise like the other ones, then (again for the 3rd or 4th time) go ahead and spam them all you want.

EDIT: what you're trying to do is like the facebook privacy "wall post" hoax that people think they can somehow overrule the official ToS that you agreed upon when you use facebook. read this to get a deeper understanding of what you're trying to do: http://www.snopes.com/computer/facebook/privacy.asp
[Galaxy S III General] kaynpayn:
It may have been said at some point but i really didn't find it even if i'm sure i read most of this thread (and other related threads).

Just what has samsung to lose in releasing said sources?

The way i see it, if they released them, more quality work would come out. Better roms would be available and who knows what else. That would lead to samsung selling even more phones (which is actually their business imo, not developing software), increasing profits in said phones and maybe even take a bigger blow on apple. I honestly see nothing good for them in "forcing" people to use their stuff by doing this (regardless of how good their work is). What do they gain that's so precious that outweights having a poor reputation with their clients among everything else?

Am i thinking wrong? Are they afraid the competition would steal their work and develop something similiar or..?

Can anyone clarify this for me please?
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
part of it could be that they're afraid that their flagship chip's (at the time it was released) documentation would allow their competition to somehow up the game on their parts which would cause samsung to somehow lose customers to "better" chips (assuming that their competitor can somehow implement a unique way to increase performance of their chips that might potentially perform better than the current chip).

My opinion is that they're paranoid of giving competition a helping hand indirectly by providing developers who want to make full use of the phone the stuff that's needed.

I imagine it's also part of the "I came up with this and I don't want anyone to know how to make it work" mentality as well...
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
is this some kind of Jedi mind trick?

i get the feeling you want me to leave samsung alone, but you're writting "If you think that means to leave them alone, then you're crazy"

About this agreement to give samsung until the end of 2012, what agreement is this?

Samsung have told me this, but I never agreed to it. Did you agree to it?

Getting back to the scenario about the bike. If the guy I bought the bike off told me he'll fix it in 2 months, and I found out that this was told to a few other people over the last 2 years, and he lied every time. I'd have to be a complete moron not to go back after a month and put the pressure on.

anyway, no point argueing about it. I hope you're right and they just need a couple more weeks
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
Well, part of it could be that the Exynos 4 SoC has some licensed technology/patents from 3rd party companies that haven't given permission to release the full source code to everyone. Unless those companies are giving Samsung their permission to release stuff, Samsung cannot do anything about it.

However, they could do something similar what Sony did for CM and that is to release CM compatible binary blobs for those drivers that they cannot release in source code form.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
@lje

it's no mind trick. it's a thing commonly known as reading comprehension.

if you don't read the whole statement and selectively process only what you want to read then it's not my fault that you think it's some sort of trick. re read the post again.

as to your terrible analogy, you have a derivative of what is known as buyer's remorse. but in this case you're getting remorse after you said ok to the guy.

all in all, I hope Samsung will pull their heads out their asses and really follow through, but it's the old waiting game. not much you can do.
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
First of all I think most of you are missing a important point here.

We have all right in the world to demand whatever we want.

And in the same way Samsung has every right too refuse those demands.

But now they have promised a few things making their coming refusal , not saying they won't keep their promise I just don't believe it will be any different from what they already released, less valid.

And using a motor as a simile is rather stupid. There exist a but load of books documenting every single millimeter of most and everyone who is any good with their hands can manage remove any limiter put in place.

Edit autocorrect does not like my beer goggles.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
I agree it's a lame analogy, but being able to remove the limiter is not the point. The point is that the guy agreed to remove it for me in 2 months.

I have every right to ask him how it's going after 1 month especially if he's known to speak out of his ass.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
asking is one thing, but harassing is another.. which seems like what's going to happen if samsung fails to deliver.

regardless, it's a wait and see situation.
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
Or even better, wait and spam.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Did you wave your hand from one side of the screen to the other as you wrote that? :confused:
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
only in your imagination.
[Galaxy S III General] Amritttt:
Devs could you please tell me that if Samsung release the Exynod source code today then what will happen what difference will it make to our phones. I hope so Samsung releases the source code asap for our devs here thank you
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
development of aosp based roms will be much easier and faster. we can see project butter in full action on aosp with the source. CM10.1 uses open source hwc and the rom is much smoother and faster than cm10. Though open source hwc is used the devs have used many workarounds and hacks to make it complete. With full working source we dont need these hacks.

One more advantage is that s3 will have much better support from development community in the upcoming years with proper source.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
stock roms will also benefit from this as well considering samsung's weak implementation of project butter.
[Galaxy S III General] exynoss:
Samsung said to release exynos source code on 14th dec . So what happened yesterday ?? Samsung released it or not ?
[Galaxy S III General] Prawesome:
Yep :thumbup: I get to add a good meme to my collection everyday now
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
How about this joke?

A guy walks into a bar and the bartender says: "Hey, what can I get for you?"
[Galaxy S III General] kylesinho21:
What about a collect to suborn someone of samsung to give us the sources?:banghead:

Enviado desde mi Tamagotchi usando Tapatalk.
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
http://www.xda-developers.com/holiday-guide-2012/oem-of-the-year/

Nice article, I am not sure when was it posted but it is nice to read if you have missed it.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
With all this saga surrounding samsung still came second best haha, what will be the case if we had some decent sources there? I can imagine that;)

《posted from cm10.1》
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
Well, we got JB with multiwindow and a lot of latest features/updates and also a phone that is still on the top of the smartphone market even 7 months after release. Kudos to that.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
On the top? Hardly.

With the i9305 (2GB ram) and the Nexus 4, and more phones on their way, our S3 is already down.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
may be its already down for few power users.. but not for the general public ;) its still going strong.

Its a really a shame to see the vote count in this thread :( out of millions of devices sold the poll in this thread has barely 1000 votes counting both sides. I think that tells the story + the 2nd best in the best oem contest is not just a fluke afaik.Im wondering how much this will get better with working sources. :angel:

1st stable release on december 19th or around. Dunno how good the code is going to be, but if something good happens even at sr2 or sr3 i would be much delighted :D
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Do you have any link verifying this statement? Or is it like every other so far, i.e. taken out of thin air?
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
page 5

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?0aswj0lxp1j30a3
[Galaxy S III General] sargorn:
It's from the Project Plan over on insignal.

ICS 4.0 SR1 19-Dec-12 origen_quad-ics-sr1 exynos-ics

ICS 4.0 SR2 9-Jan13 origen_quad-ics-sr2 exynos-ics

ICS 4.0 SR3 23-Jan13 origen_quad-ics-sr3 exynos-ics

PDF: http://forum.insignal.co.kr/download/file.php?id=112

(I believe you need to register to view it).
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
can you remove that link? some people here have a tendency to spam ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
ICS? How will that help JB development?
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
Nexus 4 is worse in the camera, audio, screen size (usable not counting the onscreen keys) and storage departments. Not everyone wants to ja#k off on pure specs. The note 2 is better but not suitable for everyone. So we are back at the s3.
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
If the devs are good enough, it doesn't matter if the source is for ICS, they can port it to JB. Of course it will take more time and needs some extra work, but it really shouldn't be something that is completely unacceptable to the devs.
[Galaxy S III General] rockambole:
so what?

http://www.gsmarena.com/security_issue_discovered_on_exynosbased_devices-news-5215.php
[Galaxy S III General] IIIIkoolaidIIII:
There is already an app available from Chainfire to check for the exploit and patch it ;)

Link for application:

http://project-voodoo.org/articles/...use-vulnerability-no-root-required-reversible
[Galaxy S III General] IIIIkoolaidIIII:
Sorry, should have posted in that comment here you go:

http://project-voodoo.org/articles/...use-vulnerability-no-root-required-reversible
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Right now, I'd gladly swap my S3 for an N4. F*uck the S3 specs. The N4 has pure 'n sexy vanilla android.

Unless I'm mistaken, I think I read somewhere that Samsung changes literally everything between firmware versions which makes it even harder to actually extract useful stuff from say the ICS source to use with JB.
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Makes no odds, we are trying to get software optimised to hardware, once we have hardware working in ICS it can be ported to JB as the base is googles source not Samsung bastardized version.
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
If their network is as secure as their kernels we might just take the sources ourselves.
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
I already got a full season of The Newsroom that way. No sources though.
[Galaxy S III General] sathkartha:
I have had an N4 for a couple of weeks now and beg to differ. I have taken scores of snaps in varying light conditions ,listened to lots of music. No way inferior to S3 which is my first love. As for screen and storage,comparison is a no-brainer.
[Galaxy S III General] Chillz88:
Sorry.. But many people more than you in the n4 forum has said camera quality sucks as compared to a samsung s3 or the one x.
[Galaxy S III General] sathkartha:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2000602
[Galaxy S III General] Chillz88:
Lmao.. Do you know there is a.: post your picgures thread ' in every forum.. I have heard lots of complaints including my friends about camera quality.. And he has a one x though..

Camera- it sucks compared to an s3 and one x

Screen - s3 and one x wins.. And if u talk about that natural colour love bs.. Compare it with a one x screen it has natural colours. It smokes it.. I love amoled screens though..

Audio- its good but not as good compared to a wolfsun chip..

Battery - no brainer.. Lol

No removable battery

No external storage

Infact no otg yet.. No way

If you are like me and you use your phone really for music.. Or if u are a gamer.. 16 gb with no otg is pretty ****ed up

The only thing i find good about it is the s4 chip and its google.. And pretty good for the low price.. No reason to buy it over an s3 if u brag about sources and that its google or something or that you cant live without the newest phone..
[Galaxy S III General] sathkartha:
I see you know everything about everything. My observations are merely my experience owning both the instruments inspite of my preference for S3. That link was just to get you to see the quality of the images.

By the way, I am into music seriously and have loaded around 5000 songs in a suitable format to play through Poweramp. And still have over 6 GB free. And not to forget some 175 apps!

I must confess I am not a gamer of substance.

In any case, we are way off topic!

Cheers and best wishes. :D
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/281098183210315776

They say we #DemandExynos. We might as well #DemandExynos sources and maybe win something.
[Galaxy S III General] BradleyR2010:
I was thinking the same
[Galaxy S III General] Chillz88:
Thats my point. I dont have to convert my music or any hassles.. Have almost 10 gb of songs.. Even sometimes some movies which i keep changing in case i travel.. Oops i forgot you dont have a choice for that much memory... And i can take even photos and shoot vids without worrying about 13 gb of usable memory.. Just saying its possible.. Dont need to have experience just commom sense.. Cheers to you too.. Sorry for the ot.. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Crunozaur:
The deadline for sharing the exyonos sources has already passed? Or still few more days of hope left
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
I don't think there was any hard deadline... they just put a vague "by the end of the year" response.. so i guess, in 2013, we'll just have to note that they're liars and resume spamming them.

seems fair considering they've failed to make it right.
[Galaxy S III General] fakpuppet:
So why not actually #DemandExynosSources then hehe

Leaked from my GT-I9300 due to a critical Exynos kernel security hole
[Galaxy S III General] Stevemeister:
There is....19 december should be the release date for the ICS sources (first stable version). I see insignal forum is down because of server upgrades so we will have to wait. Hopefully they finish ICS sources soon (jan. 2013) and quickly move on to JB sources.
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
Which is a spectacular failure. They're "finishing" sources for a release that is TWO MAJOR ANDROID REVISIONS BEHIND. This is *three months after JB was released for handsets containing the same chipset*.

In addition to that, if you look at the evolution of their camera/graphics subsystem (which the whole exynos_abuse mess has shed even more light on), Samsung has gone through at least 3-4 architectures for camera/graphics memory allocation. The Insignal version is so outdated that it NEVER shipped in any handset or tablet I am aware of.

Development boards and their associated reference source don't have to deal with carrier approvals/authorizations, don't have to deal with wireless certifications, and it's assumed that they will always be changing and you'll need to do SOME testing and integration efforts.

However, what we've gotten is one major Android revision behind handsets, three months after said handset received an upgrade, with an architecture that makes it completely incompatible with phones/tablets and barely any documentation. (The CPU datasheet they provided is mostly useless, it contains effectively zero documentation on FIMC/FIMG/etc.)
[Galaxy S III General] tanjiajun_34:
Thinking if I should just give up on Samsung....
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
This is my last Crapsung device for sure. I won't recommend them anymore. Not that they care the least, they still get loads of seriously unearned money.
[Galaxy S III General] nazfalas:
Thanks for shedding some light again, Entropy.

I'm thinking about giving up on Samsung now...maybe even go back to HTC :D They seem to be going almost the right way again (except for the locked bootloader mess). The One X is the only real alternative to the S3 IMO...16GB Nexus is just not enough for me.

Sony doesn't have anything on par ATM...else I'd be going with them...
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
it's tempting to sell the sgs3 for a htc phone... maybe if they have the J butterfly that could be unlocked