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[Nexus 5X General] gagdude:
Alright, let me put this out again. I said it is more of a developers device. But that doesn't prevent people from buying it, and that is why the Nexus 7 is available in big stores.

It also isn't ONLY for developers. With the Nexus 7 came a larger marketing campaign.

Here's the bomb though: if you think that the Nexus devices are not developers devices, yet you still complain about storage (thus the storage appeals to consumers like you), then why would Google release it with "such low memory?" Because they don't want to appeal to you and it is a developers device. In your eyes, I've turned your argument to my side.

In normal consumer's eyes, the Nexus is just a phone. And the battle is Galaxy S3 vs. Apple iPhone 5. No Optimus G, no Nexus. Maybe a little Galaxy Note 2 in there.

The Nexus 7 may have been popular, but look at the Kindle Fire. Most sold tablet, second to the iPad? It was marketed under Amazon with incredible focus on media, and people buy it.

Since Google does not do that (yet), they are not ready to bring the Nexus devices full circle to normal consumers.
[Nexus 5X General] Droidyou:
Quite common!
[Nexus 5X General] @rbiter:
I think a lot of people miss one very important selling point of nexus. It is like buying a dell, HP, Asus or whatever manufacturer with windows whatever on it. You're very likely to get a bunch of 1st, 2nd and 3rd party crap on there. Not only does it lower performance it lowers price and always lowers the user experience. Buying a nexus is like buying a retail/OEM version of windows and installing it on computer without a gimped bios. Sager notebooks come to mind. You get an accessible non locked down bios and in the higher end sagers they even give you access to special features if the hardware you purchase/provide support said features. The way Google is treating nexus, it leaves the door open to consider iPhone. IPhone give you more options with storage. The removable battery was a feature that set the two apart, and for all the negative reasons people give for SD cards, you don't use an SD card even if the option is available. Those negative reasons you attach to yourself are non existent if you choose to not to use it. Justifying it just limits the people who do on fact need it or want it. Security is not as big a priority as people make it out to be and I am pretty sure a nexus isn't on very many business' security option list. And yeah if Google doesn't announce a 32/64gb option down the road but releases one really instead of pulling out the pitchforks everybody should not purchase one and instead write a personal email telling Google why their nexus business is a big fail. We would more likely get a phone that we want. I could overlook the non removable battery and SD card if we get a better battery and cheap option to replace on our own, which is likely here but the low storage option just kills it for many users. THere are much better analogies I could use here but I am gonna say you don't buy a 1080p monitor to use a VCR or even a non upscaling DVD player. And nexus 7 users probably aren't as upset as they could/should be because I don't think very many people expected the nexus 7 to do as well out of the gate. And even though tegra3 isn't a powerhouse lime s4, it is still capable of using extra storage to put some media/high def media to use. Google is being too conservative after the nexus 7 success. It now has a little recognition and much of the competition is offering 32gb out of the gate. Google should expect a lot more success instead of dipping their toes in the water. Android has the biggest market share in the world and it seems like Google is still seeing if the water is warm or cold. :banghead:

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[Nexus 5X General] zymo:
They are limiting storage, because Google isn't a hardware company (yet), but a software one which makes money every time you use their services/contents like Google search, Google Music, Youtube....The more time you spend online the more money Google earns. If you have all your media on your device like movies, music, documents, photos...you wouldn't use online services that much and that is a deal breaker for Google.
[Nexus 5X General] c0ldz3r0:
You are not alone. Same happens to me.

But man, who saves porn on SD card? Today, we use stream! ;)
[Nexus 5X General] ctfrommn:
No, Google is trying to steer the ship to non removeable storage, BUT because Android is open source (as in you can buy whatever phone you want, and still own an Android) and this isnt Apple's tyrannical single device with a couple of very expensive options, they dont/cant control what manufacturers build. I would guess the Nexus program will continue to define Googles direction with Android and not the rest of the industry telling Google how they need to build a phone. My prediction is in the next couple years nearly all android devices will be transitioning to lower storage devices. Amazon was a great example by the way, as they sold a ton of Kindle Fire's with very little storage, knowing they are a cloud based company and that was the intent of the device. I love that Android is open and we can have so many device choices. It opens a channel for interesting debate, but I doubt Google is going to miraculously change the devices it puts out to resemble a model they are fighting so hard to change. My $.02 anyway.
[Nexus 5X General] gagdude:
Why does everyone assume this????

If I want I could use Amazon Cloud Player/Grooveshark, Dropbox, etc. instead of Google services and I would actually be helping Google's competitors. They are not forcing you to the cloud.
[Nexus 5X General] @rbiter:
Lol. Weak sauce. Because I am not going to use all of Google services anyways. Besides maps and gmail, and I guess android itself there aren't many things I use Google exclusively for. I for one still use PAPER dictionaries, books and the occasional reference book form the library. Google doesn't offer anything beeter than the other guys when it comes to video especially. And I prefer buying DVD/blue rays when the movie is worth owning or the price of owning is not more that twice the cost of renting or less. Google can't replace all the book apps I have or the PDF/word versions. Limited storage isn't gonna make the gamers happy especially when the hardware is strong enough to put out epic worthy games now equivalent to console quality/size. Need a lot more cache for different things like maps, browsing and the OS even. Google, and more importantly, the cloud, and even more important, the internet is not the end all be all for my life. I still like to do math by hand occasionally. I make sure to remember all the important phone numbers in my life and then some. I can't use optical media with a phone. Streaming X media is very viable but even phones that come with internet connections basically are still more usable in many ways than a chrome book. When Google puts FREE WiFi every 10 square feet in rural areas then we might shut the hell up and hell even get a chrome book or two as a thank you to Google.

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[Nexus 5X General] spiderhamster846:
Not alone there, im also checking this thread and googling "news lg nexus" everyday. Probably won't be any new bits of information until monday imho.
[Nexus 5X General] @rbiter:
the kindle fire wasn't a media powerhouse. books maybe, but i think amazon's main purpose with the kindle was another EASY avenue to build up revenue for amazon. thus it didn't/doesn't need a lot. and amazon cloud and other related websites/clouds had it's 5th major outage this year. another reason i don't want to depend on cloud. you're depending on a lot more things than an internet connection for storage/access. with at least onboard memory, and you still have the cloud option on top of it.
[Nexus 5X General] funkyblue04:
It is a high specced phone though so why crippled it with low storage?

Galaxy Nexus is sold on plan so hardly just a developer device.

I note the new iPad mini comes with 64gb. Apple understands the cloud and local storage.
[Nexus 5X General] gagdude:
Funny, because I don't hear of iCloud talked about much. In fact I hear it sucks
[Nexus 5X General] iucidium:
16GB for $329

Apple are retards when it comes to cloud services. Look at siri - patchy as hell. Yeah they know local storage well - hence the wallet rape...

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 5X General] @rbiter:
You think the WiFi versions prices are bad better stock up on ky jelly for the cellular versions. Forget the ky. Apple users love being bent over and not sharing. Especially sharing with the 3rd worlds that are up and coming and could use some cheap technology. I love how the USA government wants to buy our schools these overpriced pieces of crap when you can turn around and buy a bunch of raspberry pi's, some nice monitors and they will actually learn how to use and get around a computer in the process. You buy apple, you teach kids how to repeat the words they read, they learn how to tap a screen and you overpay for this while possibly hurting their vision in the long run with the squinting at small screens and you perpetuate the exploited labor over in china so our kids can not get smarter but cooler.

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[Nexus 5X General] Drzfr3shboialex:
I'm thinking 16gb 400, 32gb 450 and 64gb 500. OK I doubt the last one, but hey ill get a 64gb :D
[Nexus 5X General] funkyblue04:
People forget itis not about specs. Apple sells an experience. It just works. Android can be complicated. There is a lack of tablet apps. Google does not develop Play like Apple does the App Store/iTunes. Why is Google Music not like iTunes all over the world selling tracks and promoting itself?
[Nexus 5X General] Tsoflyyup:
Is it safe to say google wont be dealing with cmda networks and carriers like Verizon for the nexus 4? Are they only gonna support GSM? If so this succcccks!
[Nexus 5X General] funkyblue04:
Hope not. CDMA is old. Only really Verizon use it. It is what causes so many fragmentation problems. Nexus 4 should me LTE/UTMS
[Nexus 5X General] gagdude:
Not just Verizon. I find it ridiculous that most carriers in the US still use CDMA (the only 2 GSM are AT&T and T-Mobile, with a few MVNOs). Verizon, Sprint, MetroPCS (which is merging with TMO), U.S. Cellular, Cricket, Clear (not really phones but still) and a ton of MVNOs like Boost, Virgin, etc.
[Nexus 5X General] raze599:
Anybody here buying the Nexus 4 immediately? I might wait a few weeks for the proper reviews to come in.
[Nexus 5X General] -Zeppelin-:
I'm buying immediately as long as it's at least 16gb...

sent from my mobile device
[Nexus 5X General] surge27:
If priced 400 or less most likely for me
[Nexus 5X General] Tsoflyyup:
I just dont see verizon letting customers buy an unlocked phone and activating on their network....no leaks confirm any hope for us cdma users..... i hope something is announced for ppl with verizon n sprint otherwise ill be forced to get the note 2 or htc dlx :mad:
[Nexus 5X General] kiy0shix24:
I'll be grabbing it out the gate and using it on at&t.
[Nexus 5X General] mibikin:
I have to wait until January for my, getting it for my birthday.
[Nexus 5X General] jworkcoo:
Just posted via @evleaks on twitter 10 mins ago.....Is this the official (final) version??? If so, looks good!!!!
[Nexus 5X General] kiy0shix24:
very nice! I was kinda hoping it would have the nexus "X" but other than that it meets my expectations.
[Nexus 5X General] DroidRC1:
That photo is a fake! Look at the notification bar (its an AOKP ROM) plus the nexus on the back was photo shopped
[Nexus 5X General] mbonus:
thanks for the pic upload.

The on screen buttons really affect the screen real estate vs. the Optimus G w/capacitive buttons, no?
[Nexus 5X General] kiy0shix24:
Yup, I didn't see it at first glance but some of the tech blogs are saying it's shopped.
[Nexus 5X General] tysj:
ev-leaks just posted another render that appears to be more final:

Source: http://twitter.com/evleaks/status/261119047423377410/photo/1
[Nexus 5X General] 3473:
Decent design, not great, though I do like the back

Either way, it's what's on the inside that counts. This running clean android will be a beast
[Nexus 5X General] saber.srod:
The two picture have the clock in different places
[Nexus 5X General] iucidium:
Just imagine if the Nexus 4 we see now is a complete and utter fake. Not one video.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 5X General] Drzfr3shboialex:
Nice
[Nexus 5X General] CopernicoXDA:
I'll definitely pick this up when it hits stores.
[Nexus 5X General] ctfrommn:
When you say "stores" I assume you mean when it goes on sale in the Play Store. I will be shocked if this ever sees the light of day in a brick and mortar store or is ever carrier branded. I think Google learned their lesson with Verizon this year.
[Nexus 5X General] iucidium:
This'll be in the uk

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 5X General] ctfrommn:
My apologies....I didnt see where you were from. How does that work there? Do you have access in store to the GSM GN?
[Nexus 5X General] :
i personally think it's sexy, was kind of hoping for a colorless "nexus" on the back like the N7... but it's good, still
[Nexus 5X General] iucidium:
I think so - but brick-and-mortar stores like carp one warehouse will stock these bad boys too (that's where I got my Nexus S from)

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 5X General] @rbiter:
32gb or it stays on the shelf.

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[Nexus 5X General] ctfrommn:
Tell us how you really feel about cell phone storage ;)
[Nexus 5X General] footboydog:
I have come across the Nexus 4 user agent:

Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 4.2; Nexus 4 Build/JOP19B) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.166 Mobile Safari/535.19

Confirms it's name and Android version but unfortunately not manufacturer
[Nexus 5X General] raze599:
No Google does not sell the Galaxy Nexus here via the Play Store, but most likely they will sell the Nexus 4 directly. If they do, thats where I'll be getting mine. If not, I'll be looking to online vendors like Amazon as the stores can get very expensive compared to online prices.
[Nexus 5X General] spiderhamster846:
Am I the only one looking forward to the wireless charging. Good feature to have to bash those iphone fanboys :P
[Nexus 5X General] :
What are your guesses on the pricing on the play store of course

399?

449 ?

Looks very interesting

We will have to wait and see
[Nexus 5X General] jtc276:
But if the phone doesn't come with LTE, what other than that will we have on them (that iOS fans see, of course; they obviously don't pay attention to vastly superior hardware and software and only seem to focus on the trivial features that Apple feeds them)? Even though there's no LTE in my area, I'm still going to be angry if it's not LTE compatible. I'll be traveling to an area that assuredly has LTE in about a month and not being able to take advantage of that on my brand new Nexus when I could on my six month old One X would suck. I hope that all of the specs we've received so far are correct but there's an addition of a 32gb variant and LTE support.

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I have $500 saved, so as long as it's equal or less than that I'll be happy. I'm hoping the prices are as follows:

$399 - 16gb

$450 - 32gb

But it will probably be more around:

$399 - 8gb

$450 - 16gb

$500 - 32gb (maybe; what I will buy if it's available)
[Nexus 5X General] 0.0:
I'm thinking no 8gb model. I say it starts at 16gb for $349. Idk...it just makes some sense to stay at the $349 price point as it is now. $399 does sound possible too

Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 4G
[Nexus 5X General] benrees21:
Think I might get a Lumia 920. Don't like this LG Nexus at all.

Because I'm a Nexus b!tch and I like to run the latest source and binaries!!
[Nexus 5X General] jtc276:
That would be ideal, but probably unlikely. They've packed some massive specs into this device that more than likely won't allow them to place it at the $350 price point that the GNex is. I'm guessing the GNex will come down another $50 (or maybe even $100. It seriously can't cost much at all to manufacture that phone at this point) and the Nexus 4 will be around $400 at launch. Then sometime around Google I/O they'll cut the prices like they did this year. This would be a great recurring business strategy; always have two Nexus phones at the same time. One, an older, but still completely capable model, and then the newest model.

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Is anyone aware of the DAC in the Optimus G? It will almost assuredly be the one in the Nexus 4. I'd love to have some good/great sound quality from a Nexus device...maybe even a Wolfson?
[Nexus 5X General] raze599:
Thats the best guess right now. Hope its less though.
[Nexus 5X General] SyXbiT:
I think the pricing depends entirely on whether Google decides to keep the Galaxy Nexus at a cheaper price. If they do that, the Nexus 4 could be a little more expensive. If they discontinue the GNexus, then they'll want a cheaper starting price for the Nexus 4.
[Nexus 5X General] wurzelsepp3:
How can you expect that they sell this phone for 349$ when lower specd android phones like the Galaxy S3 are still sold for 500$+.

The Nexus 7 is cheap because people don't buy expensive Android tablets, highpriced Android phones on the other hand have proved to be sucessful, so there is no reason for LG/Google to sell is at such a low price.
[Nexus 5X General] spiderhamster846:
Google made the Nexus 7 so cheap and actually lost some money for every tablet sold because they wanted to get a strong foothold in the 7 inch tablet market. I forgot the article that said this. But anyways based on this, I'm going to say that google won't be so generous with the nexus considering their would be no reason for them to have it that low.

I have a feeling $399 is going to be the lowest price point because that would go along with current galaxy nexus pricing. I doubt it could be 349.99 because looking at the sheer specs of this phone, its a pricey little fella. Snapdragon S4, HD IPS display, Glass Backing etc etc. If it launches at like 500 I wouldnt be surprised. As long as this thing is cheaper than the S3 ill buy it for sure. Its a damn bargain :D.

As for the memory, well..... at this point it looks like 8gb will be the starting point unfortunately but this could change on release day. But I can guarantee 16gb will definetly be an option. Honestly guys, whether this is a "developer" device or one for the masses, frankly google doesnt want it to be a flashy cutting edge device given Nexus devices past. So if the memory isnt going to cut it for you, I'd say adapt with cloud storage or just get a flagship phone like the S3 or One X. Those phones will also get updates for a while just at a slower pace.

For any other quibbles like removable back covers and such or curved displays. I think this design / mockup is final (the one leaked by evleaks). Pretty sure its too late for them to change their mind
[Nexus 5X General] benrees21:
http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-a...-nexus-4-leaks-in-official-press-shot-1106898

Looks **** apart from the Nexus on the back.

Side image: http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-...-branding-google-now-google-maps-card-125536/

This looks better: http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/371/5817/original.jpg

I'm thinking that Google might of trolled us. These are substantial leaks coming from somewhere, what if it is all a clever troll by Google? And the device they actually show is completely different? Maybe just wishful thinking. :D

Because I'm a Nexus b!tch and I like to run the latest source and binaries!!
[Nexus 5X General] @rbiter:
lol at the cheapskates in here. very optimistic for a cheap phone which might imply cheap quality at all these low prices that are being speculated for launch. the tablet and phone market are very different. the tablet market has a clear dominator and everybody and their mama are trying to dethrone apple with different strategies. android on mobile phones otoh, isn't dominating like the ipad so it has to compete on a spec to spec, feature to feature and price for value/performance scale. this phone will probably launch at least @ $500 even with a lowly 8gb. to undercut your allies and friendly competition @$400 and/or below with a high spec'ed phone at launch like that will make eyebrows raise much like what happened with google buying motorola. everybody hoping for a price like the current price of the gnex is just setting yourself up for a wet pillow. google can't launch that low as it will only be beneficial to lg now and google in the long run. microsoft and apple would probably take the opportunity to call google out on that, not to dissuade us the consumers, but to make the OEM's go wait a second. even if microsoft is doing it with the surface, the oem's can't manufacture an apple product, blackberry is still trying to keep it's name afloat, nokia already sank and apple will fail eventually if they continue to be proprietary as hardcore as they are. even though nexus isn't a mainstream phone google would be shooting itself in the foot to make some cheapskates happy.

Oh and what about the gnex stock that will collect dust because I am sure gnex manufacturing stopped quite awhile back and the gnex's are waiting in a warehouse to be bought. I highly doubt the gnex price is going to go much lower except when it's time to make some room. Take a loss on old and new inventory? Lol.
[Nexus 5X General] SIGUEL:
Looks a lot like the Nexus S, me like it :)

SKYNET

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My guess:

16GB $399

32GB $450

And the Gnex goes to $299

SKYNET
[Nexus 5X General] Drzfr3shboialex:
64gb $500(coughs)
[Nexus 5X General] @rbiter:
16gb $500 (reality check cough). :D

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[Nexus 5X General] spiderhamster846:
COUGHCOUGHCOUGHCOUGH ugh ahem...sry i accidently breathed in the nexus 4s awesomeness
[Nexus 5X General] gagdude:
It depends. Apple's strategy is lower price of old model, new model is price of original old model. Very smart. They also happen to release newer hardware, but their price stays the same.

The Nexus line could follow that as well, and since mobile computing just keeps getting cheaper and cheaper, I don't see them releasing it at that price. And not everyone has $500 to blow, so that "cheapskates" comment was really uncalled for
[Nexus 5X General] @rbiter:
$500 to blow? Then what are the cheapskates doing buying close to high end phones? Is america getting ghetto fabulous quicker than I thought it was? There is no way this phone releases under $500. A nexus never has and if people don't remember the last one was launched in the UK first at about $649 USD. I think it came to the play store about 3-4 months later at a lower price. And am I the only also that has noticed many manufacturers in many other markets have been releasing in other territories first, even when USA designed. Why? Low dollar. And one you won't hear much of officially in the USA but can find in other countries is the USA is a bunch of whiners, especially when highly desirable items aren't released in the USA first. Huh. But of course o won't complain if y'all right and you can rub it in all you want. Probably won't be getting one without a 32gv version. My protest may be futile but with all these damn androids to choose there are many of us that can't find one with out too much compromise. I've been researching the competitors seriously. I really like Google but the apple bull**** they're pulling needs to go or I go.

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[Nexus 5X General] gagdude:
OK thanks for saying the US is a bunch of whiners, that was REALLY uncalled for. I didn't insult you, why do you insult an entire country?

The cheapskates comment was uncalled for because as I said before, we never said anything about you, why would you insult all of the people hoping for a price below $500?

A Nexus has never released under $500? This is crap. Try Nexus 7, Nexus Q
[Nexus 5X General] @rbiter:
Nexus phone. I am just gonna walk away and laugh.

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