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[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
In theory: The source should mostly work on phones, with the exception of things that are clearly different. e.g. a working libcamera would surely require tweaks to work with the M5MO. (I've done similar work to get Nexus/Aries libcamera to work on Infuse.)

Thing is - the source is seriously broken, in ways that I'm fairly certain probably fail on OrigenBoard. The items that are failing on our phones are NOT phone-unique items. They're just plain broken.

If you look at, for example, the Qualcomm CodeAurora stuff - that's also technically "only for dev boards" - but handset manufacturers don't usually stray too far from the CAF reference, so what is in the ref sources works on phones with not much work.

Samsung's handsets, on the other hand, have behavior in their blobs that is VASTLY different from their sources.
[Galaxy S III General] sodeknetters:
Great explanation there. For now it's still wait and see... fingers crossed.. et cetera...

Frustrating!
[Galaxy S III General] beginnerteur:
now in 4 days?
[Galaxy S III General] btemtd:
Why don't people ask Samsung if they are still going by what they said because did they even specify an exact date. I find hard to believe they would trap themselves like this by giving out an exact date of which they will release the code. Why don't people ask on the same section they stated this and see if they are still doing it. I read somewhere it's going to be end of 2012 this could mean up til the end of December
[Galaxy S III General] Flynny75:
Well.. What did they say to you when you asked?
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I bet it's the same broken stuff as ics was/is.
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
All of the JB stuff appears to be for Exynos5 only.

As in - Exynos5 is getting sources due to the Nexus10. Exynos4 users = still ****ed.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
As I suspected.
[Galaxy S III General] l0calh0rst:
Bad news and I was hoping for full disclosure after that big Samsung announcement :(
[Galaxy S III General] acey_zero:
There is no reason to assume that is all they are going to release, is there? I mean I am skeptical about the quality of what they are going to release as well, but they said specifically they were going to release the source for Exynos 4 and I thought all they said about a date was before the end of 2012. This is from Twitter:

Oct 25:

SamsungExynos ‏@SamsungExynos

Developers: Expect full availability of integrated source code for #Exynos 4 family of processors on OrigenBoard by the end of 2012!

Nov 1:

SamsungExynos ‏@SamsungExynos

Learn more about the #Origen dev board. Source code for the #Exynos 4 Family it runs on available by end of 2012 http://bit.ly/VY6Gj1
[Galaxy S III General] aPollO2k:
that this means the exynos in s3 or another older exynos? and are this the sources developers need or other stuff? i'm a little bit confused
[Galaxy S III General] btemtd:
Really only 5250 ? All of that new stuff just for the new chip absolutley nothing at all for exy 4! That's a lot of sources jus for exy 5
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Entropy is a developer so I'll bow to his knowledge, of course when you identify something for exynos 4 give us a shout.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Where it says 12th of November? I only saw the tweet that said "end of the year"... :confused:
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
Yeah that's the thing. Seen that date a few times ITT but last tweet never said a date. So before doing something I rather know if they actually said a date.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
They would do something the twelfth, but it sure isn't about releasing any source.

They will eventually release sources, yes, but it'll be broken.
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
At the announcement that was also streamed on xda, they said things would start happening on the 12th. Regarding 'new' things on insignal. I listened to this with my own ears.

They later said (and confirmed on Twitter) most things would be released 'by the end of the year'.

The impression they gave was from the 12th things should/will start happening quite quickly.

But we'll see eh..? Here's hoping.
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
The relevant word would appear to be "start"
[Galaxy S III General] dawinner:
After Audio and Camera what else is left??

Just want to know out of curosity as i am not a developer what else is samsung hiding, as it confirmed audio and camera sources will be released so now whats left??
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I don't know Samsung's definition of "the end of the year", but I'd like to say November is very well "the end of the year" in a very vague meaning. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Painuchiha:
Great, the same you can write about December - especially about the last week of december. ;)

i think on the 12th november they will eithert start to release a source for the exynos 4 chip or it will be somehow related to the exynos 5. Maybe nothing will happen. I give Samsung time till 1. January. If they won't release anything, i will be sad but will still use the s3 till s4 or s5. I've paid 600€, i can't buy every new month a new phone. And the Nexus 4 isn't really an inprovement for me - especially the kind of aspect that the cam is still not so good as the s3 one and the missing cardslot.
[Galaxy S III General] blueice228:
I agree nexus 4 is not really an upgrade from s3. I hope android 4.2 source will come out for s3 soon.

I dont think google intend to put any sd card slot in any of their branded future devices. We'll need to depend on third parties like samsung, sony or htc....

Now that the lawsuit of htc and apple is settled, hopefully they can focus in bringing more competition to the table. They have gone downhill ever since the start of the lawsuit two years ago.
[Galaxy S III General] borjaag:
¿Today? :confused:
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
Either today or tomorrow... since they announced it at the android bbq.. i'm assuming american time.. so probably tomorrow we'll start seeing stuff.
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
I think what they said was November '12 - as in sometime in November 2012. Not November 12th, 2012.

I think that right now, what we see in the exynos4 repo is all we're ever going to see... In short, Samsung claims they care about developers, but their actions always speak otherwise.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
Or... what Entropy said...

either way... they still have "some" time left. It's disheartening to see a big company like this being incapable of holding on to their words.
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
How can you support your claim when they have yet to fail. Even by the most optimistic timetable.
[Galaxy S III General] jimmkind:
http://www.origenboard.org/wiki/ind..._Origen_Quad_Open_Source_Development_Schedule

been following this thread for quite some time. is this usefull in any way?
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
because they've done it before. in case of the emmc chip.

also the stuff that they have released have so far been broken stuff according to what has been read.

It's becoming a track record. What else is there to say? It'll be nice if they actually follow through, but I certainly am not too optimistic about them. I hope they prove me wrong but that's about it.
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
But this promise to update the sources etc, is new. It seems harsh to condemn them, in this thread, for breaking promises on this occasion when they haven't as yet.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
you're also taking my words out of context.

That's the whole thing. Essentially what I mean here is that: They still got time to prove it but if they failed, it would be disheartening.

I can go on an write a whole essay on it, but that's just creating walls of text that can be shortened down to a sentence.
[Galaxy S III General] ballsofsteel:
So now the day has passed for most of us in the world, and there has not been a single reply to the thread for the last seven hours. Have we all lost hope?
[Galaxy S III General] cmajetic:
i am sure entropy is right and they meant November '12 (means 2012 and not 12th). If everyone copies the text in the end it is 12 of November instead of November '12

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[Galaxy S III General] acey_zero:
Wow, that certainly looks to me like a detailed development schedule for each component of the source, showing a final completion date of 12/21/2012! But I know nothing... I will let the devs comment.
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
Seriously if they won't release anything useful then a lot of people will be very pissed including myself. Then the hating and bashing will begin on their social media channels.

Btw. I really recommend that you guys read the story written by entropy512 on Google+. It's very detailed and shows how Samsung screwed everybody over.

Just follow Andrew Dodd and read the whole story. It's long but is definitely worth to read it.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Have you searched for Andrew Dodd?

:confused:

Seems the name 'Dodd' is as popular as 'Smith'

*nvm, found him
[Galaxy S III General] Nick14:
Dude he's one the top when you search in google....

https://plus.google.com/101093310520661581786
[Galaxy S III General] wmc90:
@LJE Why didn't you just link it? :P

https://plus.google.com/101093310520661581786/posts/SUZYDEFj8Cs
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Because nick14 linked it just as I found it
[Galaxy S III General] nazfalas:
Like one of the links before this shows a road map till late december:

http://www.origenboard.org/wiki/index.php/Resources

Those are the sources we need, right?
[Galaxy S III General] tanjiajun_34:
http://www.origenboard.org/wiki/index.php/Resources#Software_Release_Plan_.26_Status

So it is on 21 Dec all source will be completely out?
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Maybe, yes, but it will be broken and useless.
[Galaxy S III General] brunodmjr:
If Desmond stop the solar flare from happening, you know. 21/12/12 and ****....
[Galaxy S III General] SiriusCybernetik:
Wait and see... patience you must show!
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
Nope. Read that list/status page carefully, and think carefully.

Note how there is nothing about graphics there beyond "Android booting to lock screen".

No mention of hwaccel video (to clarify - we have this now, but not when combined with their HWC, and if they broke it, they'd still be able to claim green). No mention of ICS hwcomposer.

ICS hwcomposer could easily remain the steaming broken pile of **** that it currently is, and they could still color everything on that list green except for possibly camera. Oh, and camera will only be http://www.origenboard.org/wiki/downloads/hardware/origen_quad/Origen_4-Camera_5M_A.pdf - Now, support for this could in theory be modified to work with the cameras in our phones, assuming that Samsung Mobile hasn't completely jacked up the JPEG subsystem, which I suspect they have. Getting opensource libcamera working might just need a new pair of eyes on it to fix the capture stuff - BUT it's pointless to even start on it when HWC is busted (because HWC is tied into everything...)

That's the problem - LSI has given Mobile all sorts of "secret sauce" not present in their reference sources.
[Galaxy S III General] :
:crying:

Should we start spamming again?
[Galaxy S III General] Arkanius:
All the wait for nothing basically.
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
That`s a coincidence, on 21. Dec will be the end of the world and who is going to need those sources anyway? :D
[Galaxy S III General] Arkanius:
@Entropy:

Do we win absolutely nothing with the fact that Nexus 10 is Exynos5? No hope at all since Exynos4 is A9 and Exynos5 is A15 based? Too fundamentally different? It's just that JBQ said that Nexus 10 is the best device for AOSP work since it's the most open.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Did you actually expect Sammy to come through?
[Galaxy S III General] GabrielSousa:
we have news

Open Source Dev Schedule for the #Exynos 4 Quad lays out code release plans: http://bit.ly/QE53o9

https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos
[Galaxy S III General] :
Have you read the previous posts..? :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] btemtd:
@Anton...i was just thinking since you have twitter and are in samsungs line of sight why dont you paste what entropy is saying to them so they know that what they are doing is useless. Somehow i think they dont even know what the devs want. some one technically minded needs to sit down with one of the guys incharge of development at samsung and explain exactly what the devs need if it was done before it may have been to the wrong person which is the reason all this is happening. I dont see any point as to why they would not release there sources cause if by releasing their sources are going to better the device so who in the right mind wouldnt release them. Maybe they think they are actually giving the devs what they need.
[Galaxy S III General] :
You really think that they don't know what the devs need? :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] haydar100:
Keep dreaming
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
Samsung was told more than one time what the devs need, they even contacted members of the CM Team:
[Galaxy S III General] Hrc4u:
Yeah....Samsung is hoping for the end of the world thing!..so they get away with having to release code :D

GT-i9300 CM10
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
Copy and tweet one of Entropy's posts?!

Twitter is for messages of 140 characters or less. Not 14000...
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
I'm crying from laughter...... then just crying. This rings to true to actually be funny....
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Yeah right. As if they dont know exactly what they are releasing.
[Galaxy S III General] fredphoesh:
I agree it would be great if Samsung decide to support the dev community and release the Exynos sources

but

saying I would not buy another Samsung device if they do not is a bit like a child threatening his mother with "if you don't do what I want, I will go into the garden and eat worms".

IE you would be the only one suffering ;)

mark.
[Galaxy S III General] nazfalas:
How does that even make sense? When I stop buying Samsung devices (that includes SSDs, SDs, etc.) it doesn't really hurt me. Samsung on the other hand is missing out on profits.
[Galaxy S III General] GabrielSousa:
ops sorry !!
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
If someone wants stock android on decent hardware, why would they 'suffer' from moving on from Samsung?

They would 'suffer' more by staying with Samsung.
[Galaxy S III General] fredphoesh:
I use the sgs3 because it is the best phone on the market imo. Being "right" about what Samsung should do and boycotting them would mean not buying what I believe is the best phone... Seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face to me!

Mark.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Are you using stock TW, a stocked based Rom or aosp/CM9/10?

What's happened to these forums?

Why are people creating accounts in a forum that develops (not just modifies) roms, but not wanting the source code needed to develop roms?

If you're happy with a stock based Rom, install titanium backup pro and freeze unwanted system apps. This isn't 'real' development.

If you're using CM10 on your S3, there's no way you'd claim your S3 as being the best phone on the market.

I should not have bought my S3 within days of release. I assumed within months I'd have CM10 running with **** all bugs.

It's my own fault.

In a month or 2, if it turns out Samsung have lied, I'll be moving back to Sony.

I'm happy with that. I'll get the latest xperia or see what specs the next nexus phone has.

This is my own opinion and it's my own fault for assuming I'd have CM10 on an exynos chip.

I have no problem waiting to see what's available in 6 months. I have a few backup phones.

Again, this is my own opinion, don't go hatin on me if you like TW or stock based roms.
[Galaxy S III General] gradesm:
funny u should mention moving to sony. just received a free xperia ion from buying a sony tv and I've been contemplating letting my s3 go.

but for me, I'm waiting to see how motorola will do under the big G's direction, considering the next nexus won't be anytime soon.
[Galaxy S III General] SiriusCybernetik:
'Best', in the context of such a complex multi-purpose device is a matter of priorities and basic requirements. You can not simply compare raw specs and draw a conclusion.

There are nonfunctional criteria like price, usability, esthetics, size, etc. I, for instance prefer fluid UI experience (e.g. fully functional CM), battery life and cell signal strength over raw processing power, audio quality, camera ... while for other people it may be the opposite.

There are even reports of people buying iPhones because they believe it is the best phone ever. They may even be right from their own perspective.

So your choice is not necessarily the same as someone else's choice and yet, both of you may be happy with what you have.

Cheers

Edit: my point is that the choice of my next phone will depend largely on the availability perspective of aosp-based roms. If it turns out to be not the most highly spec'ed (samsung?) phone I may still be satisfied if my future choice.

Anyway, it will not be anytime soon, so a lot of things can change in the meantime. Maybe even Samsung changing it's attitude towards dev community.

Amen
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Development doesnt begin and end with AOSP, yes sources would be most welcome and would help all developers. Development should be about improving the user experience and for some people that may even include tweaks, and stripping , bloat from stock roms. Fair enough if that doesnt float your boat, then stick with AOSP but you shouldn't write off developers who begin with the stock rom.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
I'm not writing them off at all... I'm using android revolution HD right now.

What I don't get is people not wanting Samsung to release sources that are needed by developers to improve the S3.

I come from an X10. We had a locked bootloader and problems from day one.

EVERYONE hassled Sony to unlock it to help the devs develop custom roms.

Sony never did, but we ended up with a bypass and the devs went to work.

There was NOT ONE person that posted that "Sony shouldn't have to release anything they don't want to".

Everyone was pushing for more/better roms.

The next year Sony unlocked all devices.

I can't understand why anyone here would not want the sources needed by the CM team.

People keep posting here trying to discourage those pushing for the code that's needed. I don't understand why :confused:

I never discredited anyone stripping down stock and sharing it. I'm happy to try it.

It's the people that post on this thread that don't want Samsung to release the source code that I have a problem with.
[Galaxy S III General] btemtd:
Where did you read that people dont want samsung to release the code? No one said that they dont want them to release it, doesnt mean if some ppl are happy without aosp they dont want samsung to release the source. Some ppl are just happy with there devices as they are now and stating that they will not sell it or buy another phone. Again that does not mean the dont want samsung to release the code.

Anyways...

I would assume some of you here have some contacts to samsung other then Twitter? If so and samsung are releasing the wrong stuff after they susposedly said they would release what the devs want, has someone told them this is not what the devs need and asked why they are releasing that ****. Btw i am talking about the stuff they released in the last couple weeks and the cm team said was useless.... If so what was samsungs responses? Does anyone have the contact details like an email to the people at samsung that said they were going to release source? I am very curiuos to hear what these fools have to say after what i am prepared to write to them.
[Galaxy S III General] port76:
I thought the 12/11/2012 was sup supposed to be the day when they start releasing??????? anyone:D
[Galaxy S III General] hsrars-d:
Please, lets just wait until the end of 2012 to see what happens.
[Galaxy S III General] IroniX2:
+1 they promised something publicly, give them some more time to do so.

Going to spam their fb feeds and twitter right now is really not going to achieve anything.

Let's wait and see what they deliver.
[Galaxy S III General] sathkartha:
Turns out you thought wrong eh? :D
[Galaxy S III General] arunjako:
*SPOILER ALERT*

Desmond saves the world and dies:(

Sorry for OT btw:D
[Galaxy S III General] Stevemeister:
Oh no you didnt, why you .....

;)
[Galaxy S III General] arunjako:
Most people wouldve finished ac3 by now:p except the poor pc guys
[Galaxy S III General] brunodmjr:
No prob, didn't finished it yet but already got spoiled at 9gag :D
[Galaxy S III General] Hybridesque:
Yeah, still waiting for it to come out.
[Galaxy S III General] jtourettes:
I, too, will be joining the defectors to Sony should Samsung not remain true to their word.
[Galaxy S III General] nazfalas:
I entered the Android world with a Motorola Milestone (the European/Brazilian Droid), because I wanted to experience Android modding, but as I was a noob I walked right into a trap that was called "locked bootloader" and custom ROM support took forever.

At that moment I swore to myself to never again buy a Motorola smartphone.

Logically my next smartphone choice was the Google Nexus One as it was intended for Android development. I was really happy with for about 2 years until it hit a brick wall (that has crumbled a little until now) with the release of ICS, due to missing drivers, low internal memory, etc.

I then went on to buy an HTC One X that never completely satisfied me, because of non-removable battery, no SD-Slot and at that time slow development of Jelly Bean. Also: repacking kernels and flashing them separately in fastboot was a pain in the a$$ (if you don't know anything about this: be glad)

Also HTC's new way of unlocking bootloaders through htc-dev alienated me so much that at this point I would never consider buying HTC again as long as this practice is continued.

Then came a point where I - after I had held the GS3 in my hands numerous times and thought that it felt cheap - held the GS3 in my hand once more and was so pleased that I immediately wanted to make the switch. I sold my HOX and got the GS3 as I had heard from many people that Samsung was way better with update and source support - apparently that was not related to the international version, so I couldn't have been more wrong.

I'm still very satisfied with my phone, but I want a flawless and stable CM10. Camera bugs are really getting on my nerves.

Buying another Nexus is out of the question for me as they got rid of the SD-slot while only offering very low storage capacity.

So where am I left if Samsung doesn't release what they have promised?

I have time until Christmas to decide - always a nice time to get yourself a nice present while giving so many presents to others.

Sony is probably the best bet, isn't it?
[Galaxy S III General] sukulankur:
EXACT problem....my devices were different, but similar problems in general. I really had high hopes for Samsung. Fact is, I NEED a microSD slot, and somehow, most of the new generations are totally screwing me on that. MicroSD was also one of the main reason I got S3. Frankly I think that flashing is a much more inferior experience without a microSD. All the Music/videos/ backups go there...so they are not touch under any circumstances.

What I have learnt from my S3-Experience: Whatever happens, next time I buy a smartphone it will be either qualcomm or nvidia processors. They seem to be giving a pretty awesoome support.
[Galaxy S III General] acey_zero:
Yeah, similar situation here, though I am actually already on an older Sony device at the moment. I sure am tempted by the Note II, but I would much rather support Sony as they are the only manufacturer actively catering to the development community. Check out the Xperia V, it is only dual core (same CPU as US GS3), but it has removable battery and micro-SD, plus a 13 MP camera and it is waterproof which is definitely a nice touch.
[Galaxy S III General] Flynny75:
Except nVidia are just as bad as Samsung.