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[Galaxy S III General] TheCraig:
The Nexus line is good but it does not have the goodies stated by another user above... I do like AOSP, but I don't like the fact that is is pretty bare compared to Samsung's ROM, I don't know what makes me think that but I've gotten to rely on some Touchwiz features.
[Galaxy S III General] spamtrash:
AFAIK, the date of sources disclosure passed away.

One side: OK, Samsung is pissing on its own customers.

Second side: Samsung is still far in front from Apple (do you really think that it would be difficult to block the flashing/rooting possibility? Read why Chainfire thing it would be not, then).

The choice is yours... still
[Galaxy S III General] sodeknetters:
There is more to choose from than OR samsung OR apple!!!
[Galaxy S III General] -A-P-M-:
Yep, Sony becaming very interesting (besides Nexus) and I hope rumours about 'PhoneX' by Google/Motorola are true.

In short future Sony will launch Yuga or Xperia Z. Specs looks great, used materials are premium (no more cheap plastics) and looks like Sony cares much more about developers.
[Galaxy S III General] kylesinho21:
I agree with everything but that is a cheap plastic polycarbonate

Enviado desde mi Tamagotchi usando Tapatalk.
[Galaxy S III General] btemtd:
Looool toodles...
[Galaxy S III General] Troetelbiertje:
#DemandExynos

Some of you may have noticed that Samsung is doing a little give away. samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/blog_Samsungs_DemandExynos_Twitter_Giveaway.html

twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/281098183210315776

Which provides us with the perfect opportunity to hijack that twitter hashtag. #DemandExynos Sources.
[Galaxy S III General] haydar100:
they simply dont give a duck
[Galaxy S III General] Troetelbiertje:
Ah crap, would have loved a nice roasted duck this christmas.
[Galaxy S III General] gavin-phelan:
Face it there not going to release sourcs so should we go back to atracking now please :P
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/24/samsung-galaxy-note-gt-n5100-possibly-caught-testing/

Samsung Galaxy Note GT-N5100 possibly seen testing, may put quad Exynos in a small tablet

Looks like a New exynos 4 samsung device, i wonder how many potential buyers who are looking forward to cm goodnes are aware of lackluster dev support from samsung, feels like we have an obligation to inform those folks :angel:
[Galaxy S III General] Andy:
A few points from me that some have echoed.

Put your e-peens away, no one cares about your petty argument here. This is not the place to do it. Any more arguing and you'll be banned, you know who you are.

Where do you want this thread to go? Closed? Deleted? Because that is the direction its headed. Sign your petition, make a comment.

That's all you as an individual consumer can do. If your not happy with Samsungs business practices, don't buy Samsung. That'd have a bigger impact than signing an almost worthless petition.

95% of XDA does not care if your annoyed. Buy a John's Phone, iPhone a Nokia. I'm sure whatever you buy you'd still complain. Just don't do it here. This is XDA-Developers, not XDA-Complainers or XDA-SupportGroup.
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
Should have closed it.

Thread has been dead for weeks.
[Galaxy S III General] Sensamic:
So...
[Galaxy S III General] drakester09:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=35807489&postcount=2976

Seems very relevant.
[Galaxy S III General] skem:
No more samsung devices from next year onwards, waiting for Motorola nexus or Sony's new flagship smartphone.
[Galaxy S III General] nextavenger:
Same here. I'm done with Samsung too. Will be picking a Sony for sure.
[Galaxy S III General] skivnit:
Good for you guys. Thats why competition is good. Im definatly getting the s4 and note 3.

Swyped from another galaxy
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
Though I hate their stance on not providing sources for whatever reasons I can't resist myself fancying having s4 on my hands, ;) the overall package that samsung will deliver with s4 would be mind blowing for sure. all the competition went ahead with new devices sporting 1080p and a snapdragon quad core, but all of them failed to slap additional useful goodies to differentiate themselves from the rest of the crowd.

I would like to see some tough competition on next gen mobiles, xperia yuga sounds tasty but the design is meh....

Back to this topic, does anybody know the actual reason for abandoning the forum and merging all their sites together which looks so unfriendly?

《posted from samsung rom》
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
The forum isn't abandoned since it's working again, but the origenboard.org just displays a message that they are upgrading their server infrastructure and that it will be online on Jan 2013. Their Exynos 5 dev board website http://www.arndaleboard.org doesn't look that unfriendly to me, so let's hope that we get a similar treatment for the Origenboard too.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Will it help them to improve their brand image? :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/AntonLiv92/status/284688291113074689
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
Oh thank god, the forum is back, for the past few days it got redirected to some Chinese embedded site

《posted from samsung rom》
[Galaxy S III General] :
Samsung need to understand that the devs are not their enemies! ;)

https://twitter.com/AntonLiv92/status/284729663484489728
[Galaxy S III General] stefankorun:
Great feedback.
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
We need a nice video on YouTube that we cab make viral
[Galaxy S III General] :
OP updated...
[Galaxy S III General] avocco:
I thought of one a while back but haven't had time to do it. I was going to re-sub the Hitler viral video that's been doing the rounds on YouTube

Where he's all calm and his advisers are explaining that Samsung are going to start to release the sources, until one of his guys comes in and says it ain't happening and Hitler goes all crazy.

P.S if anyone knows how to sub that would be perfect I could write the dialogue for it. Just not got a computer to work with at the moment.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Hope they will understand it soon... :fingers-crossed:

https://twitter.com/AntonLiv92/status/285012268712853504
[Galaxy S III General] Amritttt:
Please someone make that video thanks
[Galaxy S III General] :
Lets start a new trend on Twitter: #ReleaseExynosSources

Tweet @SamsungExynos & @SamsungMobile telling them why they should release Exynos sources... ;)
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Advice given here seems the best bet to me

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=36026538
[Galaxy S III General] :
What kind of violation is he talking about? :rolleyes:

If we beat hard enough he might come to life... :laugh:
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
He's refering to this part, not to the GPL violation (which there are none):
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
It's more likely that the dead horse will come back to life than Samsung giving us proper sources.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
We people have done some great work , look over here :)
[Galaxy S III General] sharingan92:
Sounds promissing
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
That length of reply really wasn't necessary as you added nothing new. I'm happy i tickled a nerve tho.

If people spam me i close the account - it's easy. As for your day job - i don't care. I haven't imposed mine on you.

I support people letting Samsung know how they feel, using channels they have created themselves. But whether it's to an end is of course up for debate. But i don't think that's the point.

I personally don't see why you are getting so precious. This will of course run out of steam... and if you see yourself as the catalyst, well done. All i see is someone dampening people expressing their views.

And that i don't agree with.
[Galaxy S III General] da.trute:
I think that if you had spammed a technical forum or support section people like myself wouldn't have batted an eyelid, its the fact you chose a public media source which is using predominantly by the general public for information and technical requests on some occasions. Cheesing off not only samsung and users of samsung mobiles - for me only shooting yourselves in the foot. If Anything does come of this I will be very surprised as it will open the floodgate for subsequent attacks, you must have known that....

No new posts on facebook UK for two hours, lets keep it that way chaps.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Meh...

You are an individual. For you it is easy. But when you have as many subscribers as Samsung does, you simply cannot do that. The only reason I mentioned my job was to counter your point about spamming not hurting anyone. It does and that is the end of it. You would have to close your account if you started getting spam (you just said so yourself).... whether you admit it or not, it does hurt you. Even if it takes you 15 seconds to open another one, those are 15 seconds that you just wasted doing something you did not have to do.

These channels are open for marketing and feedback purposes. They are not meant to be used as a spam receptacle.

The issue I have with this is that we are indeed making in roads with mfgs. Moves like these only hurt all the progress that people before you have made. It makes xda look bad as we are "hosting" this kind of activities. That is why I get like this.
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
Lol. There you go again.
[Galaxy S III General] anup123456:
With all due Respect,

We all tried the proper way and were trying since last year like you were.

It didn't suceed so had to forcefully do this.

I understand your concern as it is not in the spirit of XDA to post such stuffs but we had no choice.

Had we been still signing petitions it would have taken them some more time to even reply or respond.

Anyways they replied hope they will provide the devs what they need :)
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
"had no choice" - sorry - you always have a choice. You simply are choosing the wrong one.

You do realize that the "SamsungExynos" account is still controlled by Social Media types, ala Marketing Weenies? They aren't the decision-makers. They are only following protocol, which is "Respond and say we hear you - and then go about your coffee drinking and donut eating while you update your Facebook status and reshare lolcats."
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Maybe you should consider his role in XDA before you offer such opinions.

I think you will find he is trying to maintain good working relationships with Samsung, whilst at the same time trying to steer people to approach the whole matter in a mature manner that causes no friction.

At the moment the greater bulk of this thread resembles a festival of self importance, with testosterone and ego as the headlining acts. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] da.trute:
"forcefully" / "had no choice" - why on earth does anyone on here think that Samsung owes them anything?, stop buying their phones if you think they aren't playing fair.

Plus you simply have no right at all to inconvenience the general public who use facebook just to meet your own ends, its selfish and childish and as others have said not in spirit of XDA.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Your point being?
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
oh.. would be sad if thats true :(
[Galaxy S III General] anup123456:
Hi,

I bought a samsung phone with such high specs and expected a proper "stable and fast" Rom from Samsung which is what i guess the general public would expect. If they themselves cant provide true android experience or are failing to provide it,atleast they shouldn't restrict

or discriminate amongst their SOC's support with Devs working to provide a "GOOD STABLE and FAST" Rom.

M neither a DEV nor a Technical person.

I bought my phone so that it runs properly with my apps.

IT doesn't now on the official Jelly bean(Debloated + Tweaked) of Poland firmware where as the CM10 version is just fab.

SO i would support the one whose helping us.

In case samsung would have provided us(which i don't think they will ever) a BETTER JELLY BEAN experience we wouldn't have complained.

It takes them 6 months to 1 year to provide an update for a device.

And it's so easy for people to say "Don't buy samsung phones again if you hate them." What should i do with my current one ?

Just because they cant provide some lib files i should sell my phone at a price way cheaper than what i bought ?

I don't hate their phones ! If i would have then i would be on Sony/HTC and not Samsung.

And i didn't knew before buying that their exynos support is such pathetic for devs who provide good roms.

Leave it not worth discussion.

m OFF !
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Uhmm... my reply is long because it is wrapped around your post....
[Galaxy S III General] jaju123:
Okay I think people here are slightly confused and using circular logic to create ridiculous arguments against this method of trying to get our sources. All most of us have done is post our feedback as to the way in which Samsung has withheld parts of their source and blobs etc affects our happiness as customers. This was done by a large number of people, sure, who are still members of the 'general public', however. This is nothing other than consumers voicing their concerns to Samsung in a peaceful non aggressive manner, and if Samsung complies it will help them sell more phones in the future as customers would be more happy.

Its also not a sense of entitlement if you expect what you should have had in the first place. Just because many companies are guilty doesn't make it okay.
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
You're not running official Jelly Bean on your device - you're running something that has been touched by someone else, removing things that were intended to be there by Samsung. In fact, you have removed things that were what you bought. Also, you're running something that isn't intended for your specific phone as you're not in Poland and not on a Polish CSC. They also didn't sell you a "true android experience". They sold you a Samsung implementation of Android. If you want a true android experience, buy a Nexus device. Period. Case Closed. CM isn't even a true android experience.

This is a perfect example of the change in userbase at XDA. Gone are the days of patience from the non-developers who understand that things take time and a lot of blood, sweat and tears. Now we're faced with users who demand something that wasn't promised by the manufacturer; demand that developers give them what they want, when they want it, and for free.

/me is disgusted.
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
We've been slowly reverse engineering things bit by bit, but it's unproductive and exhausting. It's also incredibly frustrating when we see the standards in openness set by CAF and omapzoom.

Yup...

Those components are Apache-licensed, which lets Samsung withhold the source for them. Samsung is the only manufacturer other than Nvidia to actually excercise this right. We all know what the community thinks of Nvidia...

Form response. They've been "discussing" this for over a year, as xplodwild said.
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
Samsung has such a tight wrap on their communication that they absolutely will not let Engineers, etc. do this sort of thing. You can't send an email to a Samsung Engineer if it has "Sony", "HTC", etc. in the message itself - it just never gets there. Their emails are monitored so heavily it's ridiculous.

Only PR types are allowed to communicate outside the walls of Samsung - and even then their communication has to be vetted by Executives.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Am I the only one who didn't lose hope?
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I bet. You're too optimistic for your own good :p

You will take the hardest fall when even you lose hope.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
unless the message is passed in a more professional way and handled better we are going to get nothing. Atleast there should be a few around here who knows how to get in touch with a top level management of samsung and handle things pretty decently. either we havent found the right person yet or those people are reluctant to get in touch with samsung (again).

afaik samsung has released all things that gets covered under gpl. so a few tweets and poking fun at them wont lead us anywhere other than getting ignored.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Teamhacksung has been in touch with their contact at Samsung who's is pretty high up but even that has yielded nothing. What makes everyone think a twitter/facebook/g+ spam attack will succeed?
[Galaxy S III General] gazdajezda:
I still have a hope also, but i believe that chances to get source are actually like /dev/null...
[Galaxy S III General] Elad92:
First, sorry for my ignorance.

But doesn't they must release the sources because Android/Linux are open source projects?
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
The only thing they are bound to release are the kernel sources, else they'd violate the gpl. They are in no way forced to release source codes and documentation for their SoC.
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
I personally do believe that we will get sources for Origenboard at some point, but that may not be what Teamhacksung is looking for since it's not exactly the same hardware. However, I do not think that Samsung will manage to hit their target of end of this year with the documentation since their own origenboard website says that it will be online at some point in January 2013. For Samsung or origenboard users this isn't most likely a problem, but it seems to be a huge deal for this forum's users (who are not even devs themselves).

Now, since this seems to be completely unacceptable for some of you, I'd suggest stop waiting and even trying to spam Samsung into releasing the sources right away. Instead, you should just move on and sell your device and buy some Sony device or Nexus 4 to get your AOSP fix. The thing is, you really can't push a company like Samsung by spamming their communication channels with childish "hitler gets angry" videos and expect them to release the full documentation and sources right away, it just doesn't work like that in the real world. If they decide to release the sources, they will do it when it's most convenient for them, not the other way around.

It's also quite amazing how you guys expect those sources to change everything when even the CM devs have themselves said that they have moved on and that they don't want to have anything to do with Samsung anymore, no matter what the outcome is.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
@sinnci

Cm 10 devs are great but their departure(if they do so) doesn't mean the end of the path. Proper sources will provide opportunities for more new devs to establish themselves and also its so selfish to say "buy another device and move on", not every one is capable of getting a new high end DROID every 10 months, don't forget that galaxy s forum is still alive with many members, it's just because of the proper source.

It's not about getting the aosp fix its about the community support even after an oem abandons its support for a mobile (that's how I take it).

they have promised to make some stuffs open source in the dev conference few months back, so getting in touch with them in a proper way will make them responsible for a proper reply. Let it be next week or next month or even after few months, as long as they provide proper working sources it will be helpful for the whole community

《posted from samsung rom》
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
While you are right in that with proper sources you are more likely to attract new devs (and which I absolutely hope that they would), it still might take some time before those new devs figure out everything that needs to be done etc. For me, this is not a problem, but for some people it seems to be since they want to get everything NOW. This is also the point why I suggested to buy a new device if you cannot wait anymore.

I absolutely agree that we should get in touch them as professionally as possible (and with someone who doesn't hold a grudge against Samsung) and ask them very politely about the situation with the sources. IMO this would result in much better results than just tweeting them about being liars for not hitting their targeted deadline.
[Galaxy S III General] Andy:
I wonder why they call it spam? It will get you no where & giving this advice on XDA is not how we, XDA, operate.

How will that affect Samsung now? They have your money, mostly you (the user) will be out of pocket & have achieved nothing.

That's how companies operate, unless they are legally obliged to do it, they will do what will best benefit them.

Now I'm not upto date on what Samsung has or hasn't released, but if its GNU GPLv2 Licensed and they have not released full source, then report it. Otherwise, there isn't much you can do other than wait/hope.

Any more talk from anyone of launching a "spam" attack on anyone or anything will get you removed from XDA.
[Galaxy S III General] rocky12345678900:
...

I kew that my thread will be closed (it was only a type of provocation) Yeah spamming samsung is stupid, surely childish, maybe its not the way xda works...but i've got a felling that samsung wont public any files...if they would like they would already done it...so we've got nothing to loose...maybe spaming wont help...but who knows? in my opinion more people should be informed about this situation. How many people do we have on exynos devices forums? How many people have written the petition to samsung (the one on the first site of this thread)? Think about it.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Who should be informed of what? Should the world be informed of Samsung's unwillingness to publish sources for their SoC? Don't get me wrong, I want them to publish them, but there's no law that says they have to publish sources and documentation for their own SoC, and telling the world of it won't make the slightest difference because the Average John simply doesn't care.

Let's say one is technologically daft and reads on the news that Samsung is unwilling to publish sources for exynos 4 devices. Now, how does this person react? All he/she knows is what brand of phone he or she has, but not much more. Maybe, just maybe, that it runs either Android or iOS (chances are they just define it as an iPhone or as an Android).
[Galaxy S III General] avocco:
Ignoring the issue of sources for a while. What are the chances of us getting Samsung to release a pure android version of the S3 or the next upcoming flagship phone?

They could release a normal edition and a developer edition which is running pure AOSP android. For Example Galaxy S3 R Edition or something similar.

I believe that if the demand is high enough then they will at least have to consider the possibility. What do you guys think?
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
This, I like. I mean, that would be awesome if they did. So that those who wish to have touchwiz can buy the normal phone and those who like the stock look and like to tinker with their devices can buy the developer version.
[Galaxy S III General] hsrars-d:
Yeah, we had the same with motorola and their locked bootloaders and signed kernel partitions; we had big petitions and stuff but they never done anything, so I currently have 2 OEMs at my black list, motorola and samsung. Next phone will definitely be Nexus, except if its made by motorola.
[Galaxy S III General] rocky12345678900:
...

i dont want to inform all the world only users of xda and similar sites...i know that avarange john doesnt care...but its not the problem...all of my friends signed the petition (some of them dont even have a smartphone) everybody who cares should do the same...make your family and friends sign it...they dont have to know what are they signing to sign it.
[Galaxy S III General] exynoss:
Exynos is here.... What u want guys tell me and why