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[Galaxy S III General] SiriusCybernetik:
The difference is that if you don't agree with the OP and followers, you have nothing to win by posting you disagreement (except maybe your self-esteem in having expressed your own opinion).

The people flooding Samsung's social communication channels, on the other hand, have the hope that Samsung may realize what's going on and if not, then at least those people will be able to sleep well, knowing that they have played all their cards, even the one you disagree with.

Enjoy your day...
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I don't disagree with anything, in fact I hope the campaign succeeds.....I was merely pointing out how some of the methodology employed may make Samsung feel......but that should be perfectly obvious if you read what I wrote ;)
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
I don't think people are annoyed at you, more curious as to why you're trying your hardest to stop people from requesting something from Samsung.

You realise Samsung can post that the request is out of the question right?
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
Whether this campaign succeeds or not, my shares in Butterkist have gone through the roof since this thread popped up.... :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I repeat, I'm not trying to stop anything.

My only concern is methodology. I will point out though, that I was one of the first to post regarding methodology, somewhere in the first 5 or 6 pages of this thread, long before anyone higher up also raised concerns, ......just for the benefit of those that question my ability to think independently. ;)

I would certainly like to see this succeed, but to be honest, if it doesn't it won't affect me in the slightest. Phone is just a phone, a useful gadget/toy.....but nevertheless just a phone.

I will buy whatever phone I want in the future, independently of any "pied pipers" actions. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] welshbloke70:
Please don't do this, it's just annoying for everyone that's not a part of your campaign.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Guys please stop arguing about **** and stay on the target!
[Galaxy S III General] Alf55:
+1

another request sent ;)
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Yum yum yum yum :D
[Galaxy S III General] welshbloke70:
They have given you an answer.

It's the same answer that they gave privately to devs.

Screaming louder everytime you get an answer you don't like is not the way to go through life.
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Not quite they told the devs no, they told the mob they'll discuss it and pass on your concerns (=shut the f@#k up)
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
What's in it for them to keep devs out of the blue? It would only up their rep if they provided us with what we need.
[Galaxy S III General] welshbloke70:
From their perspective they are being asked to release sensitive technical information so that people can improve an OS that they don't sanction or support.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
We're not asking for the lot, just for specific bits. I am certain TI and Qcomm don't release just everything, only what could considered crucial.
[Galaxy S III General] welshbloke70:
I appreciate that, but it looks like Samsung still considers it sensitive. People spamming messages asking them to open source everything probably isn't helping either.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Messing with the internals of any product on Earth is not something that a manufacturer wants the end user to do simply because half the time, they do not know what they are doing (certainly not the case with our devs whom from what I have seen know a ton more about coding than most people in that company's engineering teams).

Touching stuff that you don't understand can lead to issues, which then need to be resolved by a service dept. If the issues cannot be solved over phone, email, or in person, then it more than likely will require a RMA to be generated to check the issues in house and a possible replacement unit to be shipped out should the device still be under warranty. All of this costs TONS of money. So much so than very likely a single instance of this can easily amount to wiping out the entire profit on that one single device.

That is why they are holding back...

To address an earlier point on someone who expanded on my numbers and added dollar signs to profits...

I honestly don't know if they can make $500 of profit per unit. I very seriously doubt it considering manufacturing costs and salaries for all depts involved, including service and r&d, which are costs that are built into the final customer price. Having said that, most companies look at growth in percentages and not in absolute numbers, so these numbers, while massive, are likely somewhat meaningless compared to the remaining share that they still keep. After all 8% <<<<<< 92% (based on my previous figures).

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Galaxy S III General] RoadXY:
Overclocking is already possible.

The counter is used to determine if you're running a custom rom.
[Galaxy S III General] Jmldsilva:
Any News From Samsung?
[Galaxy S III General] biffsmash:
Even without the fabled Exynos sources this phone is still faster and more bug free than any TI or Qualcomm phone so can't see what this would achieve.

CM Roms have never really offerered anything more than some extra customisation. Even back in my HTC Desire days, stock ROMS were as good as CM for speed and battery, only difference was that Stock looked nice but had little customisation and CM looked ugly but had some customisation options.

Thanks to google slightly improving the look of Pure android CM isn't quite as ugly, but it's similar to stock for speed and battery life, with limited bugs and slightly more customisation, and Sammy rom looks nicer.

Personally the phone runs great stock or modified and I get similar results whatever Custom or Stock ROMS I use.

On the subject of this, flooding anything or anyone for any reason is stupid and very bad thing to do.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Doubt there will be. They basically told us to shut up in the nicest manner.
[Galaxy S III General] CallMeVentus:
That's because your phone is too overpowered that you feel nothing

Sent from Ursa's claws.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Grow up and contribute something vaguely intelligent if possible :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] w1nter456:
Hi, Samsung spy. :) I know you're trying to make us war to sit behind and enjoy it.
[Galaxy S III General] :
Get lost. We don't need your negativity...
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
stop it or the report button gets hit
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Allow us a fully functional AOSP rom.

Wow, did team cyanogenmod run your dog over or something. I have been using CM for 4+ years and it added immensely to the Android experience. Simply stripping the bloat out of ROMs allowed my HTC Magic, and latterly my DHD, to perform well after the manufacturer had abandoned them.

Agreed.
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
So what you're saying is that you don't have a clue what your talking about and is just a superficial [highlight]gentleman[/highlight] that have no clue whatsoever to what your talking about? Yeah good to know now get out and stay out.

Mod Edit: Watch your mouth
[Galaxy S III General] drraptor:
People either you should support this initiative or just read and move on.

If you are happy with stock don't crap this thread. Cheers:)
[Galaxy S III General] :
:rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
People like you need to stfu and stay away from xda, what is your post exactly?

Is it helping anyone?

Is it making any particular point?

Is it a question?

Or wait, is it just a post that has nothing in it but insults and attitude?

Yup, that's the one.

Its because of idiots like you that people are losing interest in this cause, and I don't mean noobs who are here thinking they are gonna bring in a new world order just by posting on a Facebook page, I'm talking about people that actually matter, devs, mods and other valuable senior members of the xda community.

You and your 7 posts can't call anyone a "beeeeeep."

This thread is a magnet for noobs with bad attitudes and high opinions of themselves.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
calm nods

I have ©®™ him ;):D
[Galaxy S III General] mariotme:
little update attached Twitter pic

and google+ comment:

We hear your requests about documentation for the Samsung Exynos processor and the relevant teams are looking into this. At Samsung Mobile, we value your opinions.

From Samsung Mobile﻿
[Galaxy S III General] androidindian:
wow..New update from Samsung exynos

https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/statuses/256759390118506496
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
sounds hopeful,a refreshing surprise (hopefully!)
[Galaxy S III General] Rildiz:
Actually you are somewhat correct there. I was out if line. Just been lurking here for ages and donating when I had extra cash. Just finally got something that made me want to participate. So sorry for being an ass to someone who probably deserved it.

And the newfag comment was in reference to a person who actually have no idea to how much this communities devs have contributed.

But yeah was really unnecessary.
[Galaxy S III General] Gliedfried:
Too late. Deleted
[Galaxy S III General] Jmldsilva:
Very good news, maybe we are getting to a solution... Hoping.
[Galaxy S III General] mihaits:
From Samsung Mobile G+ an hour ago:

We hear your requests about documentation for the Samsung Exynos processor and the relevant teams are looking into this. At Samsung Mobile, we value your opinions.

From Samsung Mobile﻿
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I just wish Samsung could stop being so damn ambiguous on their Twitter.
[Galaxy S III General] thomsch:
Yeah sure you do

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[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I bet Entropy512 could tell us a whole story about how Samsung valued and cared about their opinions a few months/years ago. ^^
[Galaxy S III General] mihaits:
Exactly! Here's my response to them on G+:

+Samsung Mobile I really hope you aren't giving us crap about that but I find it hard to believe because of the way you have been handling this until now. If you aren't just giving us crap to shut us up because the comunity finally spoke and then not doing anything anymore you should really be more specific, say why you'd release/not release the things we need, when and stop using marketing bulls**t ambigous terms like "we'll look into it" or "we're working on it".

I think we shouldn't stop flooding until we get a clear response.
[Galaxy S III General] dboechat:
Sorry but that's a very immature way to make a response.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
huh? what in the world are you talking about?
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
The two greatest lies from them so far:

1. We value your opinions.

2. We are working on a solution.

What they are working on, is a way to shut us up and not giving us any crap of use.
[Galaxy S III General] mihaits:
I totally agree with you. I made that response specificaly hard so they know that we aren't playing and we are tired of their lies even though I'm aware of the fact that many will take it as immature.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Cursing and being disrespectful towards them is actually going to make things worse, you know? whether it is BS or not...
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
They are well aware of what we all think, it's just that they don't want to give us what we want. They instead insist on making their answers look good to the public. Like "we really value your opinions and will find a solution"

Bull****, really. I mean, if they wanted to find a solution, they'd have done it by now.
[Galaxy S III General] androidindian:
my friends, the only solution is " make exynos open source " release the sources..

when they say we are working on a solution, im sure they mean they are doing something else to make us silent..

all this pressure led them to here, lets put more pressure so they release!
[Galaxy S III General] Jmldsilva:
i think it´s time that we should have someone to speak with them (Samsung) for all of us, representing the comunity.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
We had someone speak to Samsung a few years ago and we basically got a big fat no slammed in our faces. Ask Entropy512.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Not quite... If I read Entropy's case correctly, he was promised a fix for the brick bug, which never came to be. Shortly after the publishing of the first articles on the brick bug, Samsung released kernel sources for the affected devices (that had the official builds out). They did not tell him "no" but they never delivered the fix they were supposed to...
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Well if that's what your expecting, your going to be disappointed. Sorry.
[Galaxy S III General] sodeknetters:
and so will the mass, in the end. Word of mouth still is way more influential than any marketing campaign. Even myself, I only got me a samsung phone because of it. (Colleagues etc)

Now I walk around and tell everybody who wants to hear it that samsung is a big disappointment in what I find important in android and that it makes my phone less than it could be.

In the end this WILL hurt samsung more than the release of proper docs....
[Galaxy S III General] sean.geary:
Was just about to say the same thing. I work for a HUGE CE company and im not going to do more than I need to do to fulfil the needs of a few. That's life and that's business guys. We are 3% or the total sales - if that, GSIV will be out come June 2012, need I say more. Good luck guys, I wish you well.
[Galaxy S III General] lensfuuma:
done :D
[Galaxy S III General] ManCityFC:
If you're not part of the solution, you must be part of the problem.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
You almost sound like a fellow anarchist! :thumbup::D
[Galaxy S III General] :
Please help us make this statement sound more professional! :o
[Galaxy S III General] ManCityFC:
Up the revolution!

---------- Post added at 08:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:36 AM ----------

It needs a devs help now mate. It needs some weight behind it.

But everybody should keep posting it throughout the day. They will start deleting them this morning.
[Galaxy S III General] GalaxyGusta:
I already told everybody who asked me not NEVER buy Samsung I did not explained why because they will never understand but they trust me

Btw Does HTC release this kind of source code and documentation?
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
How about presenting a pleasant request from a bunch of hobbyists, asking whether it would be possible to have an explanation as to why they won't release the documentation.... .just so that this enthusiastic, but never the less small community could at least have some understanding as to why the decision has been made.

Much better to look upon a mouse smiling sweetly up at you, than to have have it chewing at your ankles.

Humility can often be a much more subtle key than arrogance. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] imranb_001:
Sorry for being noob. Can somebody tell me what is the advantage of getting this. What will the dev do with it.
[Galaxy S III General] XDA mark:
Both done. The devs had contact with them. There was a petition signed by over 10k people (for the S2 I believe). Samsung does nothing.

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The Devs will be able to improve CyanogenMod/AOSP/AOKP ROMs a lot.
[Galaxy S III General] :
They'll be able to make much better and smoother ROMs. :victory:
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
Just posted the short message to https://twitter.com/samsung_dev

Regards
[Galaxy S III General] :
Samsung Mobile Deutschland just replied to my post:

https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileDeutschland/posts/355034294583055
[Galaxy S III General] :
Hope this works :)
[Galaxy S III General] beaver2233:
I think everyone here does :P its worth a try if anything.
[Galaxy S III General] atulalvenkar:
From my understanding, HTC uses Qualcomm chips, and Qualcomm has open source repositories.

Samsung uses Qualcomm/TI and their own Exynos phones.The problem here is chipset manufacturer

not device manufacturer exactly.But for Exynos platform, Samsung is both chipset as well as device

manufacturer.

---------- Post added at 02:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:30 PM ----------

Nice.Instead of full source ask for the specific ones which Entropy512 mentioned in his post.

libfimg, libfimc, libhdmi and libhwcomposer.

The post is here - http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=32510049&postcount=9455
[Galaxy S III General] :
Please attach azrienoch's video to your statements (thanks to Sid):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTRKL5E9Iak

:D
[Galaxy S III General] theGreatSkua:
That vid doesn't add any weight to the argument.

He's just plain annoying. I wouldn't piss on that guy if he was on fire... Ergo, if i were Samsung, I wouldn't want to keep that guy happy. In fact I'd go out of my way not too. He puts a face to the argument - and it's very ugly.
[Galaxy S III General] GalaxyGusta:
Come on people do that!! Maybe samsung will give a **** about us
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I mixed things up, I believe. I think I read that someone asked Samsung for source codes for certain bits of the Exynos chip and got a big fat no as a response. Samsung is obviously bull****ting us yet again, although this time they try to make it sound like they are working on it.

If nothing happens soon, Samsung will lose a few potential buyers as I will stop recommending Samsung devices.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Anyone getting dizzy watching this circus go round and round.....and round and round.....and round and round?
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
So another reply from samsung! Its all looking good, maybe we need to change our stance! "Thanks for the update, hopefully you can support us just like we are supporting you(Samsung) in buying your devices. Again thanks for the update" kinda thing? Lol
[Galaxy S III General] atulalvenkar:
What happens when Samsung stops updates for SII after JB or for SIII after 5.0? You will be stuck on it and not everyone can afford to buy an expensive phone every 2 years just to get the latest OS.CM helps you there. I9100G with TI processor got a fully working JB within couple of week of JB being released to AOSP, look at Exynos phones like I9100/N7000 no official JB in sight.

The customization offered is like icing on the cake. The primary aim is to run latest Google OS as soon as it's released and not wait for Sammy.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Customization offered? By whom? Certainly not Samsung...
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
I cannot quite tell you, my head is spinnnnnnnnnninng ttoo fts..

thud!
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
I believe AdamOutler has tried that before.
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
Theshawty's and few others attitude in this thread is not helping the cause at all.

I'm going to repeat myself by saying that you have absolutely no right to act disrespectfully towards them, curse at them and call them liars, especially when you are trying to get stuff for free that they don't have to give to us. You also don't have any right to ask them to act immediately just because you want stuff right now. Samsung doesn't owe us anything (other than the JB update that they have promised) and they don't have to support unofficial 3rd party firmwares that are voiding the device's warrenty and might permanently damage it.

This whole thing should have been discussed first in here before starting the whole spamming operation and select a spokes person that would present our case to Samsung and ask the information that we exactly need, that way you could have made it look more professional. Instead, now you have xda newbies spamming Samsung with demands, profanity, calls for boycot, without even understanding of what exactly you are asking. When we get some response from Samsung, you just tell them to go **** themselves because they didn't release the whole source code immediately.

This is not the way you should handle things, since in the real world you'll need to act very polite in orded to get what you want. You'll need to understand that in some asian cultures, the way you present the case is extremely important. You'll need to be very humble and careful what you are asking and how you are asking it. If you act disrespectfully towards them, you'll never get anything. No company is going to give in just because a bunch of people are angry at them on their facebook pages. We also don't even know if they can legally give us the information that we are asking. There could be some licensing issues, contracts with other companies prohibiting the release of the full documentation etc. This is not the sort of information that probably their PR or lower management even knows and they might need to consult their lawyer first. These things might take a lot of time, so demanding them to act right now seems a bit unreasonable to me.

If you don't want to support Samsung anymore because they aren't open enough with some of their models, you can always buy your next handset from someone else and be done with Samsung for rest of your life. You can also not recommend them to your friends, but don't think for a second that stuff like this is going to affect Samsung (or any other non-open manufacturer) in a long run since most people don't root or flash roms like CM on their devices.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Don't tell me what I can and cannot do.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
You spin me right round baby right round....
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Meat....waitforit.....spin! *thud*
[Galaxy S III General] atulalvenkar:
By CM of course. What I meant is primarily because of CM we get to use latest OS release and the customization offered by it is icing on cake.
[Galaxy S III General] zykic:
Can't believe one of the highest rank is the one with most flooded-off topic nonsense comments here. xD

Ban me if you wish, but that won't stop what people are looking toward you.
[Galaxy S III General] Codekrypt:
This guy works for Samsung lol.
[Galaxy S III General] mariotme:
^^ lol
[Galaxy S III General] welshbloke70:
Why not? That's exactly what you're trying to do to Samsung isn't it?

This thread needs locking, it's a circus and it makes XDA look like it's full of whiney, self entitled children.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Act disrespectfully? Why, yes. They are like little kids with toys, i.e. theirs only and no one else's. Sharing is caring.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
@samsungexynos twitter account had made some reply and said that this issue is their top priority and they are working on it.

But if you guys note the reply to that tweet some dumb ass (dont want to name ) has replied as if he is demanding or ordering something from samsung. This is pure s*hi*t, we will get nothing if they get pissed off................
[Galaxy S III General] aydc:
+1000000

That sort of attitude is just childish. You can't ask Microsoft to release Windows code. You can't ask Apple to release iOS code. What makes these people think Samsung owes them some code, especially when Samsung never promised it at all? This attitude is based on an unbelievably wrong and juvenile logic and won't be takes seriously by Samsung at all. As you said, all you can do is ask politely. If they say no, just buy another device. That's all.
[Galaxy S III General] Codekrypt:
I don't think they will get pissed off. They are used to it lol.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Please tell me you're joking...

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Galaxy S III General] SirCanealot:
Are you crazy? Do you understand how business work?

Does Samsung want my money? If they do and I am unhappy then in have every right thing to complain. Why do I not have the right to do this?

And we're going to call them liars if they have lied to us in the past, which they have....

Seriously...

Edit: if they're releasing an android phone, don't they have to release the source code? Isn't that Google policy?
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
They are releasing the source code that is under GPL license. The drivers however are not and they don't have to release the source for that, just binary drivers.