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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jasonhunterx:
Try Xenon by fire and ice that's is a extremely consistently smooth ROM that's one of the few ROMs that are smooth but I'm with you on this one lag is extremely annoying where on supposed high end phones an dealing with this crap
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] defconoi:
Use trickster mod and adjust the interactive governor settings, faux kernel is most responsive imho
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gbarayah:
Not quite sure what the issue is here... I've run three different ROMs on my Nexus and all have performed very well without any lag:

Bixie's modified Stock

AndroidME w/ Trinity

AOKP w/Franco
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] akira02rex:
Peoples idea of a no lag experience varies. The iPhone has always given a smooth UI that no one besides windows has able to mimic. Androids project butter filled in most of the gaps and made the experience a LOT better but its not 100% lag free - it is tolerable by those of us who came from the pre-JB days.

The stock ROM won't give you a smoother UI but only a more stable bug free experience.

I would suggest you learn about the device in hand and understand that its a year old and compared to an S3 it gets its socks blown off in terms of performance graphically.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
Currently running Jelly Belly 8.4 with Faux kernel. Running super smooth with virtually no lag.

On a side note, I see you seem to be quite negative when it comes to the Galaxy Nexus. First, you complained about the camera, now that it lags a lot with JB. Maybe you need a different phone?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cmoore0965:
Stock has only lagged on me with live wallpapers, when switching screens. Your issue with optional launchers is a common topic, because they're not yet fully optimized for jb. And your s3 is smoother because by comparison, it has a monster gpu. Finally, if you check out other forums, you'll also find common topic that project butters full effect is very difficult to implement in custom roms.

I777 gets it done, gnex just for fun
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
/facepalm

-Brought to you by Marino's Galaxy Nexus-
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zombeezy:
I didn't have any lag at all using ASCENT 4.1.1 AOSP based ROM. V2 built from VanirAOSP. But, I got tired of the extremely long boot up time and wanted to try out something new (which was the extremely fast Codename Android 3.6.6 that used 20% battery in an hour on standby).

I agree though ... not getting the same "Look at what I've done to my phone!" feel from JB I did when going to ICS from stock. Perhaps because I have barely found a use for Google Now yet? I have already have Maps (Nav) when I need it; already have weather widget; already have Google search bar up top of chrome shortcut when needed. Maybe I need to look into it more to see what I am missing so I can better enjoy the buttery-smooth goodness that doesn't seem quite there yet (when also needed good battery life, GPS working as well and various other niggling things as our most-excellent XDA developers get them sorted out for us)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I have been using Android for about 2.5 years now between 6 devices from HTC, Samsung and Motorola. The lag has always been there and has not gone away with newer hardware or newer OS software. Rooting helps, Jellybean is more optimized, but the lag is still there. If you guys think Android is lag free, you are kidding yourself.

Android has a lot of merits over iOS and Windows though, but I could care less about customization features if the phone is always going to run slower than the competition.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] withbloodskies:
Slug and stutter and with 4.1.2 its slug and stutter free.

Lag is what happens on an online game..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmellen:
I get better battery life and faster response time from a $10 calculator over a blackberry or iphone, too, that doesn't mean I want it as my phone or mobile computing device. I have a phone in my pocket that is more powerful than my desktop computer at work. It acts as a wireless access point for my tablet and laptop while on the road. I have 100's of square miles of maps saved to it with points of interest and offline GPS capabilities. I can deal with a little lag (AOKP-5, 4.1.2 based, plus not letting a million applications start up with the phone = no lag anyway).

And if you want to compare apples to "Apples"... I'm pretty sure nobody gets lag in their app drawers, which is pretty much the only thing an iPhone runs anyway. A multi-screen app drawer.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Yes I know how versatile Android is. I have been using it for quite some time now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Has a lot of merits over the competition but runs slower... hmmmm... which is it? More versatility or slower versatility or less versatility? Contradicting reasoning to just bark up a tree. Google is basically reverse engineering a desktop to run on a mobile and slowly but surely it has improved. On all fronts. A little lag here and there has not stopped me from using its more versatile functions. And i rarely have any. IOS lags here and there occasionally but a devoted iphone fan will deny it and a jailbroke ios fan will think you're crazy for even hinting that their phone lags.

...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanishere:
Regardless of the graphic user interface, CPU capacity, and device, lag will always exist. When upgrading from an old device to a new device, lag is not immediately apparent, however after getting used to anything, lag becomes perceptible.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Fire n mage:
I dunno man, my ps2 had some occasional lag online.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DocJ8403:
ROFLMAO - Your signature image made me piss myself.. Just epic. Epic.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
I remember reading a G+ post by an Android engineer(I think she was) explaining how Android will never be 100%...fluid because of how it's built.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsomaniax:
May I ask which app/utility do you use to limit applications from starting up with the phone?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Somairotevoli:
Autostarts works well

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Xparent ICS Blue Tapatalk 2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tmellen:
Autostart Manager in ROM Toolbox Pro by Jrummy.

You can disable apps from hooking into the OS on startup, for example -- I use Amazon MP3 to buy MP3s occasionally. I don't want it running on my phone at all times. Same with Skype, or Pandora. I want Pandora running when I click on it, not before. You can kill parts (broadcast receivers) of an app (auto updates services, phone call hooks, notifications, etc), or you can kill the services that start up for for each app.

GREAT CARE MUST BE GIVEN however... I'm sure you can break not only an app this way, but the inter-connectivity between apps in the OS this way!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Here are a couple:

https://plus.google.com/107535656394558570725/posts/FSsMzCMsxqF?authuser

https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/XAZ4CeVP6DC?authuser

Take from Alan Nudi's post:

Android UI will never be completely smooth because of the design constraints I discussed at the beginning:

- UI rendering occurs on the main thread of an app

- UI rendering has normal priority

Even with a Galaxy Nexus, or the quad-core EeePad Transformer Prime, there is no way to guarantee a smooth frame rate if these two design constraints remain true. It’s telling that it takes the power of a Galaxy Nexus to approach the smoothness of a three year old iPhone. So why did the Android team design the rendering framework like this?

Work on Android started before the release of the iPhone, and at the time Android was designed to be a competitor to the Blackberry. The original Android prototype wasn’t a touch screen device. Android’s rendering trade-offs make sense for a keyboard and trackball device. When the iPhone came out, the Android team rushed to release a competitor product, but unfortunately it was too late to rewrite the UI framework.

This is the same reason why Windows Mobile 6.5, Blackberry OS, and Symbian have terrible touch screen performance. Like Android, they were not designed to prioritise UI rendering. Since the iPhone’s release, RIM, Microsoft, and Nokia have abandoned their mobile OS’s and started from scratch. Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I had also s2 (international i9100 with exynos). I don't know which variant you meant, but I cannot confirm it. Cm10 with no butter on S2 was not even close to cm10 running on Nexus in terms of smoothness. Especially scrolling between homescreens was really choppy.

I'm satisfied with my Nexus in general. Although I find this stuttering in application drawer (last screen in app tab / first screen in widget tab and swipe left or right) quite irritating. I hope it's just a bug that can be fixed soon. (I've noticed that only in stock launcher, trebuchet is just perfect)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
Very interesting (and disappointing) stuff.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsomaniax:
I have annoying lag in CM10 based roms such as ParanoidAndroid. It's always smooth in the beginning but as I install more apps, it just slows down considerably.

I just wiped my entire phone last night and started over running Rasbean Jelly 10.16 Build(AOSP Based) with Trinity A67 1344/307 and it's as smooth as it can get. I have about 130 apps installed and it's still fast as ****. Google now/ google search takes about 1 sec. to start versus it can take up to 5-6 seconds before on CM based roms. All apps are responsive and starts super fast.

Don't know why this occurs but it seems that some galaxy nexus' like ours just dont like the CM10 Builds..

So if anyone is having lag problems, I'd recommend the rasbean jelly + trinity combo before looking for a new phone..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zAlbee:
This guy makes the same type of observations I have about UI priority, but I disagree that it's an unchangeable design constraint. Remember that the person making that post was only an intern and did not work on any framework code. Rendering in main thread is actually fine as long as you have separate worker threads do the heavy processing; this is a common design in desktop programs. But what it means is that you rely on individual apps to do the right thing, which is not always going to happen. (Notice there is a developer option in Settings "flash screen when apps do long operations on main thread.") Assuming that apps are threaded properly, Android can always adjust priorities.

BTW, even though I have noticed the same thing about iOS not processing when you scroll, I have yet to see confirmation in terms of source code showing a dramatically different thread design. I.e. is there proof that iOS automatically provides a separate rendering thread, even to apps that do all processing on their main thread?

Sent from my Transformer TF101
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RezaFaliq:
wow i didnt realised that a phone lags for lessay 1 2 sec it will be like the end of the world or u will lose millions of moolah just because a phone lags for a bit

wow
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsomaniax:
We now live in a world where everything is instantaneous. Anything less is unacceptable.

Demand for excellence is necessary for constant improvement all the while we may lose a virtue called "patience" in the process..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zerocool79346:
This thread is full of first world problems.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I just bought an iphone 4s and I gotta say performance is night and day. iOS is lacking a lot of the freedom though and maps is bad. Google Now is also definitely better than Siri. In comparison to Nexus...

4S

- Better and more apps

- Faster and better performer

- Really nice screen (although really small)

- Build quality miles ahead

- Way better camera

- Better wifi and data reception

- Better speakers

Nexus GSM

- Better productivity and utility apps (file explorers etc.)

- Way better interface

- Bigger screen

- Way better maps, navigation and google services

- Google Now is better than Siri

- Better notification system

- Can share with multiple apps rather than a handful
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
Neither of them is really better in my book. There's things both of them are better at. Siri uses Wolfram Alpha, Yahoo Sports, Rotten Tomatoes, etc. Google Now uses just Google. Because of that the two both have things they can and can't do.

Ask Siri "who is number ___ on [team]" and it'll tell you. Google's won't. Ask Google's "show me pictures of ___" and it'll pull up Google Images. Siri won't.

The first to adequately cover the other's functionality (and expand into new ones) will be better. Right now it's pretty much a toss up.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Yea I guess your right. I also haven't given Siri enough time since I just started using it. Both are pretty innovative I guess.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gabster21:
Isn't this whole forum?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] retskrad:
People say why I ***** about lag in Jelly Bean, but I paid 500$ on this device. I expect it to be lag free.

There are so many little things around Jelly Bean that makes me wonder if Google has hired quality control people. The stock musicplayer is so buggy and the animations shutters like there's no tomorrow. How come iPod in iOS isnt like this?

Also they release Chrome for Android that is so buggy (see where this is going?) That its embarresing by todays standards.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Get an iPhone. Problem solved. Right?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jsomaniax:
Bottom line:

IOS way more polished.

Jellybean way more powerful features.

As for both powerful and polish? one can only dream..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
That's not a particularly good attitude to have.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
That's hilarious coming from you ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
I don't see how.

I've simply given up on waiting for fixes to Android that I no longer feel are coming. In the two years I've used Android Google hasn't made a substantive improvement in most areas of concern.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Sounds like you need an iPhone too. After all, Android never improves.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Simer03:
Its already been said that Android will probably never be 100% smooth because it was not meant for touch screen, until the iPhone came out, Google had to quickly change it but could never fully optimize the change quick enough...one of the Google employees said that, I remember reading

Edit: found it.... http://www.redmondpie.com/heres-why-androids-ui-will-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-or-windows-phone-7/

Sent from my Nexus Prime
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
I don't think that's entirely fair to say.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zerocool79346:
What he's saying is that it's time for you to move on from Android.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] akira02rex:
What are areas of concern for you? - I'm just curious.

I don't see how the OS could really get much better than it is now. Quite honestly in my opinion, android and iOS, are going to go downhill now that Windows 8 RT/x86 tablets are coming to market. Who wants a tablet that's limited to running one application at a time on the screen when you can get a full fledged OS that nearly EVERYONE in the ENTIRE WORLD is already familiar with and has compatibility with existing enterprise/home applications? For enterprise, this is HUGE... trying managing an iOS or android device in your organization and you'll know what I mean. Microsoft was late to this game, but they're definitely going to take over the enterprise realm and possibly put a huge dent in iOS and Android's share for consumers.

And btw, can you say... x86 Windows 8 tablet = full Linux tablet if you so shall desire to wipe Windows or dual boot it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Simer03:
Lol...doubt it

Sent from my Nexus Prime
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] akira02rex:
You are misinformed
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Atomix86:
I assume you have proof?

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] frigidazzi:
It's there any way too force certain apps to stay in memory and not get purged? This would solve that problem for some people. I have the option checked in nova launcher, but it still gets purged at times. Same with handcent.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zAlbee:
Once again, Andrew Munn was only an intern and admitted that he never saw or looked at any Android framework source code (and neither iOS source code), so his post is not much more accurate than an engineer's speculation. Diane Hackborn's post is the one that is revealing the true challenges that Google engineers work on, and she never says something so ridiculous as "Android will never be smooth". To talk in absolutes like that is just silly. By the way, have I told you how a brand new iPhone 5 that I held in my hands also stuttered once in a while?

Sent from my Transformer TF101
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
I think that I'm perfectly capable of deciding when that is or isn't.

I appreciate the concern though.

If you asked me a year or two ago what Google needs to do to improve Android I'd have answered remove the lag, improve the update situation, fix the ugly UI, improve the third party apps, and refine things overall. Battery life needs some help too.

To their credit they did a pretty good job with one of those, the UI. Holo is pretty nice. Unfortunately adoption of it by third party apps is painfully slow largely because of the slow rollout of 4.x.

I'd love to be proven wrong by the way. I would be rather glad to see Google fix these things. I'm just not counting on it.

When Windows 8 was little more than concept videos I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.

However after using it I'm not quite as enthusiastic about it. The dichotomy of Windows 7 and Metro didn't work for me.

That said I hope it (and Windows Phone 8) does well. The market could use their presence.

Is that possible? I thought I read something indicating otherwise... I can't stand Linux so I don't really know much about the situation.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] akira02rex:
OK here's a typical scenario:

You're a systems admin and you're faced with users wanting iPads and I phones blah blah.. your company has many in house applications that run on windows and you use primarily windows environment and windows servers already. What do you do? Rewrite all of your applications for an iPad? Or... buy windows 8 tablets... this is a real no brainer guys.

This is where Microsoft shines. IOS and androids enterprise realm is nonexistent pretty much. Microsoft dominates this area.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MrAndroid12:
Can't really say that for phones but stay away from android tablets
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LocutusEstBorg:
It's actually just certain apps which are really ****ty on the latest generation of tablets/phones. The Nexus 4/10 are a big leap ahead of other phones in terms of non-microstuttering and touch response.

Chrome destroys the entire experience with its laggy substandard performance. It's slower than Safari on an iPhone 2G.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Well I am back to Android myself after switching to an iPhone for about 3 months. I got to wrapped up in the lag issue with Android and took its great features for granted. iOS is no doubt faster, my 4s can even keep up with the nexus 7 and HTC One X+ I am using now. But in the end I couldn't stand iOS. Its is way too limited for me, and apple controls way too much of the ecosystem.

My new opinion on IPhone and ios....

- no file explorer. I couldn't clear junk cache files from the device. Apps were always taking up more storage than needed. I also couldn't drag or drop files on the device. When trying to add music, you better hope that you have a compatible working version of iTunes on your computer.

- tied to iTunes and a computer for app, music and device management. Come one apple, I have an old iMac. My version iTunes was incompatible with my iPhone. If I didn't find a workaround, then I wouldn't be able to manage my device or add music. Thanks for trying to get me to buy a new computer apple.

-widgets on Android allow me to have more dynamic calendars, task lists, etc for work. All icons on a desktop is not functional. Grow up apple.

- email and task list apps seriously suck on iOS. IOS has more apps but is lacking in many areas.

-maps, navigation, email, Google now, Bluetooth, voice recognition, talk to text all work better on Android. I though iOS had the most advanced voice recognition. It doesn't. In Android ICS and above it recognizes my voice for search and text from farther away, gets all my words correct, and analyzes faster than ios.

-ios/iphone does have its pros though: good performance, great camera (gimped software though), great games, air play for wireless streaming to TV is flawless, and it is def more secure in terms of malware. I will sacrifice these things for Android atm because Android is getting better at fixing these issues, while iOS is doing nothing to change their flaws. I wouldn't recommend low-mid tier android devices to anyone though.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ÜBER™:
The iphone lags too. And its OS puts priority on the UI which is why you cant scroll a webpage until its fully loaded even then its a snap scroll not a full fling. All os's lag you just don't see it as much onn certain ones. So stop with the iphone and windows mobile don't lag crap... it lags. And sometimes just as bad.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
paranoidandroid here with trinity a63...

not experiencing any lag.

You want lag you should have tried my htc hero or xperia x10
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CrazyRussianXDA:
I'm running Codename Android ROM 6.5.0 with Faux's kernel - no lag, and I mean "virtually no lag". No lag. Period.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dannejanne:
Every system lags occasionally. Even iPhones and WP phones. Just not as much. Though you can get mega lags at times with the other systems as well.

As mentioned on iPhone as soon as you touch the screen every kind of data load just stops and the phone priorities the animations. It starts loading again once you lift the finger from the screen. So it sort of cheats. Anywho I failry often see stuttering on iPhones as well when changing homescreens. And that OS is just so boring with that glossy look it has had for years now. How come people don't get tired of it? I have no idea.

I was a WP owner for a while (Lumia 800) and WP is probably the most fluent system to date. It is smoother than iPhone. And it does not stop data load when touching the screen. Not sure what they have done to get it so smooth.

The difference is, project butter has made an awesome impact on "finger smoothness". That is, when you swipe with the finger on screen Android is now even a tad smoother than WP is. It just follows the finger accurately without stuttering at all. It's then you fling away a list it can stutter and "lag". That's what WP does a lot better. It has no lag while flinging away a big scrolling list but it's not quite as accurate to follow the finger at every time.

If you really want great smoothness overall then you just might prefer iOS of WP. Just be aware of that that smoothness comes with a big price. You really can not do much with the phone at all in terms of customization as both systems are so locked down. That's why they are able to be so smooth.

That Android is as open as it is and as smooth as it has become with Jelly Bean I find pretty impressive actually. A big step up from ICS. For me, ICS is a little bit like Windows Vista. They should had skipped it and head for Jelly Bean right away.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DarkBanHammer:
Install the latest Franco kernel to butter that project butter into iPhone smoothness that is up there with windows phone 7 :) or it might be windows 7 smooth. no lag at all here :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] akira02rex:
But you see, for the average use they don't a damn about that - all they care and see is that the UI looks smooth. The only people who appreciate android are nerds - face it its true. There's no denying what apple has done with the iPhone is good or else it wouldn't have sold like it has. They made the user experience pleasant and smooth but its just boring now...