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[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
.....can't for the life of me think which mod made that edit?! :p
[Galaxy S III General] DeadSOL:
AHAHAHA! Who's the moderator who edited that?!!! Hilarious! :laugh:
[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
What? You have a problem with more than one moderator liking cookies?
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
I agree with the mod edit so I still stand by my entire post! :D
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Yes.....yours looked like a burnt vegeburger!
[Galaxy S III General] DeadSOL:
LOL! What he said! ^^ :D
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
That would've been enough to keep us from leaving, but now that we're on the way out, we're not coming back unless Samsung starts living up to the standards set by TI and Qualcomm as far as SoC source and documentation. If we have the option of working with a robust, well-documented platform, why would we waste our time with one that has substandard documentation?

And that is why this whole mess started. We've been polite and have been using "official" channels for more than a year. Nothing happened. Just abuse and disrespect. This tactic change represents the last resort of a community responding to a number of developers saying, "I'm sick of this **** and going elsewhere."

BTW, I responded to Samsung's G+ post... (Actually, a comment on one of their posts) as follows:
[Galaxy S III General] alcaxofacosmica:
there any progress in this matter?
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Oh, I'm finally starting to understand what's this is all about. So you are saying, with GS2 if you decided to void the warranty, unlocked it and done something that wouldn't have happened if you left it stock as per manufacturers specification which resulted in a brick you blame Samsung on not releasing certain documentation which would have prevented it from happening?

Before everyone starts abusing me, I just want to clarify, that's all.

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[Galaxy S III General] jerdog:
Nope - not at all. This happened on unrooted devices running stock too.
[Galaxy S III General] DeadSOL:
Oh, wow. Entropy, that's one hell of a reply! I've always felt that Samsung would do no good but now I'm pretty sure they're not going to release the sources.
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Interesting. So that was a self brick? But how would having certain documentation prevent it from happening?
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I am sure they weren't going to release them anyhow.
[Galaxy S III General] zoot1:
What entropy is trying to convey here is regarding samsung's attitude and commitment towards dev community...

Samsung promised him and other developers that they will fix the bug and release an update..however the affected devices are stillwaiting for that update 3 months down the line...they promise of something and never deliver..

That emmc bug is nothing to do with this mission of getting the documentation regarding exynos chipset..

sent from here, there, somewhere!!
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
That explains a lot, thanks.

While OEM's don't have to be Dev friendly, it is nice when they are, especially if they promised it.
[Galaxy S III General] SiriusCybernetik:
One sentence that summarizes an entire thread. Couldn't have formulated it in a better way.
[Galaxy S III General] avocco:
Instead of re-tweeting the same thing I thought about some interesting methods we could use, what do you guys think?

Forgetfulness: Hey Samsung I looked everywhere and can't seem to find it. I asked the Mrs and she thinks I left it over at yours, Could you please check to see if I left the source for the Exynos over at your place, if you find it please send it to me @ ......

Reverse Psychology : Samsung I have been watching you for a while and decided that you no longer have the right to make any more decisions. You will listen to me now and do everything that I command. You are not allowed to release any sources period! That's right, I FORBID YOU! AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

Urgency: Hey Samsung I need the sources quick, its Urgent!!!!! Just send them over to me now! What? No you don't need to ask anyone just do it now! We've got no time for games! Its a matter of life and death, just send them NOW!

Imposter: Hey guys the boys over at head office said you can release the sources! I've not had a chance to communicate through official channels just yet, thought I'd let you hear it first. BTW Good job guys, feel free to post them when you get time.

Taunting: Hey Samsung, just got word from our boys that Apple has been dissing you, them boys be saying that "Samsung haven't got the balls to release the sources" You gonna let them pansies get away with that? I know you can do it, lets prove them isheep wrong together. Peace and respect.
[Galaxy S III General] RorixRebel:
lol'd
[Galaxy S III General] browy:
Hahaaa avocco. You have the best post in this entire thread.
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
Yeah. Much of it is about broken promises and misleading the community.

When Samsung donated a handful of I9100s to users, it got played up HEAVILY as "Samsung is developer friendly!" - Many people bought Samsung products because of this. However, it turned out to be a PR stunt... Throwing a handful of devices over the wall requires almost no effort, and doesn't really benefit the community that much.

You know, at the very least, they would have used their "trusted developer contacts" within the community to identify bugs in the field that somehow escaped the lab because they only show up when you have thousands of devices in play. See, for example, the common fuel_alerted wakelock bug on Exynos 4210 devices. This issue has been known (and fixed by the community) for over a year, and Samsung still hasn't fixed it in their own firmwares.

Meanwhile, other manufacturers ARE setting clear standards and putting serious effort into cooperating with the community.
[Galaxy S III General] wtfshouldidonow:
This might not be of much help, but I think it is worth the shot. Back then in my One X days, I was scanning the general thread here in the S3 section because I was already planning to get one. In one thread, I saw this guy who claimed that he was able to acquire the email address of the very head/CEO of Samsung. He said he got it through some contacts that were deep in the company. He did this because the unit (I9300) he got was a faulty one and he was pretty enraged by that and also because the Samsung Customer Service wouldn't acknowledge him. He emailed the head/CEO of Samsung and explained his situation, and in a few days, a replacement unit was immediately delievered to him and the head/CEO's secretary called him and apologized.

If any of you guys know that person who I was talking about, please do tell him to try and mail the head/CEO again, but with all the exact details, reasons, etc. in a professional manner :D
[Galaxy S III General] TheCraig:
http://www.ceoemail.com/ Got some emails for Samsung UK.
[Galaxy S III General] funkyblue04:
This debacle with Samsung has turned me off buying anything more from then. (Unless it's a Nexus).

So what is the most up to date and fully supported device with GSM min 32gb or SD Slot running CM10?

(in case the next Nexus does not have 32gb GSM again.)
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
......"and so it came to pass that the Good Shepherd did lead his flock to pastures anew......"

"The less you know, the more you understand"
[Galaxy S III General] browy:
Still trying hard to start a flame aren't you? :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
[In before mod edit] cookies are delicious [/in before mod edit] :D
[Galaxy S III General] jayharper08:
Blanket warning here. You guys have a lot of us mods watching this thread also. Not too wise to have flamewars in here. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Sorry for the off-topic... but I got screwed over last night.

My wife and I dropped the boys off at the brother in laws and I took her out for a nice dinner.

I was walking down the street and a restaurant caught my eye.. 'Big Pete's Pasta'

I ****ing love pasta and it had a sign saying all you can eat pasta.

I took the wife in and when I asked for pasta they said "NO".

I was ****ing furious.

We had spent an hour in this restaurant having a few drinks and then I get told no pasta. (But I can have the hot water it's boiled in if I want)

To make it worse, when I tried to leave the restaurant, a bloke out the front asked why I was leaving and that we probably shouldn't.

I told him I was only here to eat pasta so I'm going to head down to the pasta bar in town.

This guy, than started to get mad at me (as well as at the others that was there for the pasta) for leaving the restaurant...

He told me he asked for pasta months ago and not to make the chef mad by leaving.

He said if I complained I'd undo his work and he might have to wait longer for his pasta.

Anyway, I laughed a bit and took off into town. Had a great meal so it turned out alright.

On a different note, my S3 is on eBay if anyone wants one. :p
[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
''Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver''
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
You want it? Great condition
[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
Not interested in having an S3. I'm happy enough with my S2 :D

''Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver''
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Yeah the S2 is a great phone.

My misses just put hers on eBay as well. I was hoping she would keep it because I like playing around with it.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
©®™ :confused:

I have reported myself and apologized to JayHarper for making religious quotes, I now realise that religion is not permitted on XDA and would therefore like to apologise to anyone I have offended.

Regards,

Your ever humble slappy
[Galaxy S III General] ThunderWolf78:
I understand precisely and can relate to my job, setra buses are perfect, good documentation and electrical schematics while volvo buses are a piece of crap, documentation doesn't match and electrical schematics are a joke...

Tapatalked from my GT-I9300 running high on CM10.
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Out of interest which buses you got more of?
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
We've had two admins here as well. Come join the party! :D

Now where did I put the blu.. uhm, the very interestingly-looking cigarette? *whistles innocently*
[Galaxy S III General] ThunderWolf78:
Setra, even though the dealer and main spare parts supplier is 270km away they manage to help fixing problems out of the ordinary even over the phone(strange electrical problems) while volvo that is locally represented where I work can't even tell which end of the bus is the front without being run over by it... I don't like volvo very much. ;)

Tapatalked from my GT-I9300 running high on CM10.
[Galaxy S III General] borjaag:
We can't give up :good:
[Galaxy S III General] piratemurray:
It's Sunday, and late. We'll give up until Monday :p
[Galaxy S III General] Sensamic:
Doesn't look good.

It shouldn't take more than a few days for these guys to go in a reunion and say yes. They don't want to do it and are probably thinking of ways to avoid it by giving us something else.
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Well its simple, give the devs what they need, or spend more money on advertisement for your next product samsung

I, like im sure others, bought your product thinking you had an open and sharing relationship with the dev community only to now find out that, that was all bs, which is a shame, because ill give you this, you make great hardware...........but with this apparent lackluster attempt to support the dev community, ill be speaking with my wallet when next i buy an android product, 1 less early adopter, 1 less positive review, 1 less participant, 1 less recomendation, 1 less recomendation from THAT recomended?

I hope you realise that this bad image is not something that can be easilly fixed after the fact, releasing the code will restore SOME of it, but we should never have had to ask so many times, and the longer you take the worse itll get, if ive not seen any meaningfull progress (confirmed by our devs) during the lifetime of my note 10.1, ill be moving on
[Galaxy S III General] mihaits:
We can't let them down

We can't run around

And desert the devs.

We can't make them cry

We can't say goodbye

We can't tell a lie and hurt them :good:
[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
Why are anyone of you actually expecting this to be solved some time soon. It won't be. That's not to say that Samsung won't release the documentation. I'm simply saying that they won't until it affects them.

Samsung are following the route laid out by Motorola and if you don't know about that, check out azrienoch's video about it on the portal.

The more people complain and demand things, the more Motorola didn't listen.

Just how the more people demand and claim things from Samsung, the more they'll hold it off - just to prove a point.

''Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver''
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
I have the same feeling as you do, mostly because it hurts less when my hopes fall from a more manageble height, all i can say, is if they take that position, itll bite them in the ass eventually, problem with that, as you say, its then, when they'll actually give us what we want, leaving current users up the creak
[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
Thing is, even if a few users leave Samsung because of all this, it won't make a blind bit of difference to them. Samsung will still have millions and millions of sales so why would they care if they lose a few customers?

''Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver''
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
Sigh, why do you guys have to be so impatient. The device has been out for like, 4½ months or so, and SGS2 for 17 months, and all of a sudden you make it seem like you are unable to wait for more than a 1 week? Besides, you don't know how Samsung's management is organized, so you can't just say that "it shouldn't more than a few days" unless you work directly at their HQ. It's also unrealistic to expect them to make such a decision during a god damn weekend.

Yeah, kinda feels like that if we would get the sources eventually, some people in here are still going to just spit on Samsung's face and tell them that they can keep their crappy source because they didn't release it immediately after people started spamming their twitter/facebook/g+ accounts.
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
What people fail to realise that as android gets more and more mature OEMs will care less and less about Dev community and we will see less and less support. We see it happening now. Don't get fooled with the whole open source stuff. Android itself is, but not OEM parts of the code. Android is by far not a niche OS anymore, as you are probably aware its the most used OS on the smartphones. We are tiny part of users. Previously OEMs needed devs to look for bugs and to bring new features, now their own devs are experienced enough to make new stuff.

And if anyone believes that Google supports Dev community is naive. Google is far beyond that geeky company it used to be, it's full grown corporation for whom money is first and foremost importance. Google provides most of its services for free. Why? Because WE are their product. They sell US, our habits, our needs and our choices.

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[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
It'll matter when a competitor starts releasing hardware thats on par with samsung, especially if its recieving high USER praise

it'll matter IF samsung makes a complete mess of things when one of their future products pulls a "your not holding it right" moment, less user support, and no doubt, this current fiasco will be mentioned to that future userbase, im sure they'll lose one or two from that

It'll matter, when most of their customers will have an half assed idea of the capabilities on their product, certainly not enough of them will have xda knowledge of new features and the numerous possibilities, while a dev friendly competitors product might have cool, usefull, productive projects being released on a xda rather then big company schedule

Itll matter, when that friend of mine expresses interest in a product, and me directing them to the best hardware available that isnt samsung,

Theres numerous ways, some big some small, and most of them involve just staying away, biding time, it doesnt matter really, because i'd have already washed my hands of them...........and moved on

im a new samsung owner, so im not quite there yet, ive not clocked the required time yet to be that annoyed with my note, it is a grudgingly good product, but ill have no hesitation to drop samsung if they continue this way
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
Business is about money, not about proving a point. That'd be childish.
[Galaxy S III General] banderos101:
Oh yeah, i completly agree, our wallets do have a big part in business
[Galaxy S III General] KidCarter93:
It may matter but it won't make a huge difference to Samsung. It's all about loyalty and the majority of it won't be lost.

For example - aside from my SGS2, I have a Sony Xperia S. The xperia was meant to be the best phone out (at that time) and no phone was going to rival it. Rubbish. I got it, not because of the aforementioned reasons but because I really like Sony's older devices and not had problems with them, and right away I realised it was a rubbish phone. It had problem after problem and even though those problems were major things, I've still got the phone because after a couple of updates, it's bearable to use. I got the S2 since then and won't be changing phone for ages because it's still one of the best phones out. Yet I still get excited when I see new Xperia devices coming out. That's purely down to loyalty and that's how a hell of a lot of people base their decisions.

Fair enough it may make a bit of a difference, but it won't be enough to worry Samsung because they know they can make another great device and it'll get millions of sales just like the phones before it.

This is where it will make the least amount of difference to them. Think about how many people own mobile devices worldwide. It's a phenomenal amount. Now look at the users on XDA. 4.6 million. That number is nothing in comparison. OEMs don't make devices for us XDAers. They also don't target there phones at us. They make and target devices at the general public. The average person in the street won't know anything about rooting, flashing, development or anything that we know about, so they won't know about the Exynos documentation problem and even if they found out, they wouldn't care because it means nothing to them. This is exactly why Samsung doesn't need to worry.

Recommendations from friends is probably their biggest worry, but again it's not enough. After all, most of my friends and family either have iPhone's or Blackberry's. Both of which are terrible phones and noone could ever get me to own one of them. So even though this is the best argument, it still comes down to the loyalty mindset.

''Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver''

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Correct, but Samsung already has money and plenty of it. If they cared about each individual sale they made, they'd have released the documentation already. This now isn't about money.

''Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver''
[Galaxy S III General] twiggums:
Ever worked with a multi-billion dollar company? It takes ALOT to get the wheels moving. IF they did decide to look into releasing the source it'd likely need review by heads of multiple depts as well as legal. Nobody just shoots out an email and says "oh sure go ahead".

I wouldn't expect anything in under a month. Probably a few months at minimum. They could do it faster if it was a critical issue, but this falls way down on their list I'm sure. Heck they haven't even addressed the emmc brick bug and that kills devices. :(
[Galaxy S III General] Sensamic:
They will release the documentation in a few months, when all the SGS3 developers have already gone to other phones :D:D:D
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
still if they release it, the devs will be back home :p
[Galaxy S III General] w1nter456:
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[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
No. They will release exynos4 documentation by the time exynos6 is out.
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
A big company will also not stop being greedy and stop finding ways to make more money just because "they already have enough". If they see it as an oportunity to make more money, they will do it. They will consider the pros and cons of their actions in terms of business and then decide to do what's best for business and future relations.

I'm not saying that they will release something, i'm just saying a good company would consider doing it if they see a financial advantage, even if it's not a big one. But then, they can't really predict that in this case.
[Galaxy S III General] k0ekje:
Something relevant is now also in the Dutch news :D

Here is the link:

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/84925/makers-cyanogenmod-willen-support-samsung-toestellen-stoppen.html

It says that developers from cyanogenmod don't want to develop for samsung smartphones in the future because of the whole documentation issue.
[Galaxy S III General] respider:
even if we dont get any sources this thread has been very useful IMHO.

samsung started a very bad word-of-mouth marketing among heavy users. I hope other companies think twice before releasing too closed stuff.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Well, not a damn word in days..
[Galaxy S III General] yahyoh:
thats my reply from s2 thread
[Galaxy S III General] browy:
Thank you for posting this.

Developers are ditching Samsung because of the lack of support. That's something I want to hear. That's something that need to be acknowledged and addressed by the media, not some Samsung-is-listening-to-their-customers-and-working-to-resolve-the-situation crap which is nothing but another advertisement for Samsung.
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
Not really an update but...

Samsung just followed codeworkx on Twitter recently

Maybe they will exchange some DM's? ...Or more importantly the important documentation needed?

Haha yes!
[Galaxy S III General] MarcelMAH:
I posted on their Facebook and in the OSRC (no reply yet, don't know if I should expect one...?)

Because of this I'm looking at switching to another ROM based on stock because my beloved CyanogenMod just doesn't work like it should... if I knew this when I bought the SG3 I probably would have bought something else!
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
But they don't care! , if they did they'd have released the relevant sources / docs when the devs first went to them cap in hand. In fact they may even look on this as a mixed blessing, reducing the number of tech support calls from misfunctioning devices flashed by noobs.

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Tbh me too but I was glad to escape HTC and their mishandled updates / non updates.

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Says it all really follow the dev after he announces he's off to Sony devices. The horse and stable anyone
[Galaxy S III General] undercover:
Looks like Samsung is winning. People are getting tired and not posting as much. :rolleyes:

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[Galaxy S III General] MarcelMAH:
My previous Android was a HTC Desire on which I flashed CyanogenMod 6 as soon as I could, so no problems with updates there :)
[Galaxy S III General] Zatta:
Another Dutch site, www.androidworld.nl copy-pasted the article on Tweakers.net. Although I tipped them last friday
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
Mine was a HTC dhd, flashed with cm (7?) when I got it. But cm 9 was never official as HTC refused to release ICS sources, to better the user experience, or some such crap!
[Galaxy S III General] cmajetic:
I don't get it, why people here are praising cm. Yes it is faster (for now) but why? Because you loose all the Samsung firmware functions and apps.

sorry but for me it is like playing Tetris on my ps3.

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