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[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
People are being informed on the SII Forum that there is a campaign going on:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1736726&page=284

It seems that there are different opinions by admins and developers like codeworkx, since he thinks we can actually achieve something with this:
[Galaxy S III General] itchy67x:
funny isn't it?

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/
[Galaxy S III General] piratemurray:
Cheers thanks for the update. What was their opinion on it after they pointed the thread out? Were they positive about the campaign, negative or indifferent? Or was it only a pointer to the thread?

Thanks again for the quick and succinct reply!
[Galaxy S III General] toker_X1:
Great effort from everyone involved, I even posted a facebook message myself.

I doubt if this will make any difference, the only way for Samsung to take notice if we hit them when it hurts (aka. DONT BUY SAMSUNG).

I am due an upgrade at xmas, currently on shortlist is S3 and Note II but they are Exynos base, if by xmas no sources / documentation is release I will consider switching brand (either Sony or Nexus).

Asking Samsung for source code is like asking Apple for iOS6 source. Never gona happen!
[Galaxy S III General] skatopsixos:
posted on all pages as well.. !!!
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Not really an appropriate way to speak to a person of such status :rolleyes:;)
[Galaxy S III General] :
We made it on the XDA Portal! :victory:
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
https://www.facebook.com/ExynosSourceCode

This is set up if like I have seen, some XDA members do not want this 'on their doorstep'

which I understand.

Regards
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Don't worry... As it turns out, it got pushed to our portal, which means it must be ok with the people who own the site as it was their request to have it up. Thank you for taking the time to do this though...

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Galaxy S III General] :
OP updated! :D
[Galaxy S III General] DeadSOL:
Yes, indeed. All glory to HypnoToad!!!! :eek:
[Galaxy S III General] ManCityFC:
For new people joining this thread, please, please, PLEASE, don't go on to Samsung's social media sites and start demanding things. Here is the original statement that I wrote that seems to have yielded good progress so far:

Despite what some people on here think, it isn't threatening and shouldn't rub Samsung up the wrong way. They don't really need to know the technicalities of what we need, as they have had meetings with dev's who have already told them.

As I said earlier: I wouldn't condone any DDOS attack as we were accused of by a senior member earlier, and what we are doing is far from it. The reason I wrote the original statement was to keep a lid on potential and unintentional insults. If you send one nicely crafted message, that isn't rude, then the message is clear. If you ask people to 'lean' on Samsung by posting on their social media sites, then because of the number of different people we have on here from other countries, then the message they post in their English could actually sound very abrupt, or worse they may unintentionally make it sound aggressive and demanding. That isn't an insult or a criticism. I travel all over Europe with my job and know that this is just the way it can sound and sometimes the author just isn't aware they're doing it, especially if they are trying to write in a non-native tongue. Therefore, you take one statement, people translate it, and you post it up. One clear, non-insulting message that politely asks for something we need. Nobody gets hurt, nobody gets insulted and the message is clear from consumer to supplier.

It might work, it might not. But it is polite and asks, rather than demands. Hopefully Samsung will actually respect that their most loyal fans have actually gone about this in a very dignified, if slightly persistent way.
[Galaxy S III General] bortak:
I remember doing something like this with the Desire, and asking Qualcomm to release the sources for the Adreno 200... Except if I can remember that was a real petition. Would it not be better to do something like that, and spread the word all over Android forums, reddit (r/technology and r/android) etc. and have people SIGN a petition instead of spam their social media sites. If Samsung saw the numbers of people who want the sources released, and vow to not buy anymore of their products if it is not done so, it could be a more effective strategy. There are roughly 125,000 (Source) CyanogenMod users just on Samsung mobile phones (not taking into account the release of the Note II, and Samsung Tablets). If we can speculate that at least 50% of them are actually interested in their phones and are willing to sign a petition, we could surely get about 60,000 signatures.

What do you guys think?
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
sorry... i don't believe in a "status" and i don't believe in having to speak differently to someone just because he's got some sort of "status" and in fact... noone in the android community should in my opinion. I got a warning from a fellow mod for posting that though so ya, there we go...

There's obviously limits in the android community... who would have thought?!

For me, he's someone living in the US... who MIGHT not have even TOUCHED a i9300 device... hence, doesnt care so much about its development. He DID confess he never gets to read this section of the forums. Anyway... i'm just guessing.

I'm a marketing guy. The power of social media is great... great indeed as everybody can see for themselves. In fact... i think that's how obama got elected... but im repeating myself :P I do NOT understand how someone can care about some social media ToS being violated (argument that was brought up). Everyone knows xda isn't just about developers... it's about users and consumers aswell. In fact, those are at the majority. And Samsung knows that. XDA is the main platform consumers use to discuss and gather information. Again, Samsung knows that!

Noone's reputation is being hurt at all. The less those of developers.

Samsung might be contacting anyone to try and save THEIR reputation... to try and stop this specific campain...yes, to shut us up!

If you have been contacted, you're being used,

abused,

like a puppet.

Again!

All i'm saying is that i smell someone's fear seeing money going down a drain... and it's not that of the community. Again: It's just a thought. This is just me trying to find an explanation for some people's behaviour on here.

I apologi(z)e if i've hurt someone's feelings.
[Galaxy S III General] egzthunder1:
Ok..

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
A petition would just be adding "official" to the campaign. That's a 1% change increase. But ya... why not. I'm just saying, it's not a standalone solution and social media campaigns are the best to raise attention.. and attention is the main chance enabler for action.

Again: Noone said it's supposed to be pretty.
[Galaxy S III General] ManCityFC:
Quite right mate. I'm of the same opinion as you, I'm in marketing and a few people on here don't understand the power of social media, and miss the point of what we are doing completely. The original statement I wrote and the original idea I had was to make one statement that sounded perhaps a little pushy, but polite at the same time. Then ask it be sent it to all the sites, by all the people that feel they are legitimately affected by the lack of sources and documentation - directly or indirectly. That is the best way to ensure success in my opinion. The most important way to make sure this works is to get the point across, but get it across politely but sternly. Don't shout, don't abuse and certainly don't DEMAND!

What is more ridiculous is sending messages to Samsung requesting specific technical items, and expecting an answer any time soon. Why if one or two people ask for it behind the scenes, would they automatically send it - well quickly anyway? They will shove it on the back-burner and maybe eventually get around to it. As one of the major GS3 dev's said, he's had conference calls with them and feels they were just a fob-off now.

Let's hope this doesn't run out of steam now all the precious types with mates at Samsung have poured cold water over the whole thing, and tried to rubbish the idea, by bullying people and basically being completely disrespectful, because they have no idea of the power of marketing and social media. I'm going to back away from this thread completely now - because I'm just going to get myself banned arguing with these non-commercially-savvy-bullying types (which has been a real eye-opener, and resulted in one other guy being banned already). My statement has been pulled for being to aggressive, despite the fact that numerous dev's re-tweeted it for me, from what I can gather from Anton anyway, and they were threatening to close the thread. So Anton can run with this from now on - he seems to have it covered. Good luck all.
[Galaxy S III General] eitama:
After reading Entropy512's reply these are the thought that are passing though my head :

I have been using Samsung phones since the Galaxy S, (S2, Note, SIII).

I have got friends and family buying Samsung phones like hot pancakes. Around 10 phones if I am not forgetting anyone...

When I found out about the eMMC brick bug - I was an owner of the Galaxy Note - I was amazed. But now, I am just disappointed.

There is no attempt to either resolve the issue by software, or resolve the issue by hardware - There is barely any output from Samsung regarding this issue.

Iv'e been buying Samsung phones because they look good, perform pretty well, suite my needs - BUT, as Samsung hit Nokia with awesome phones, someone will hit Samsung in the same way. Someone will make the technological jump and produce a phone that will be better then all Samsung phones.

At that moment, I will be making the switch. I have no feelings towards Samsung anymore. Why should I have feeling towards Samsung - If Samsung has no feeling whatsoever, towards me - the customer...?

The S3 is also just 70% of what I expected - sure, it's fast, it's beautiful, it has a great camera but it is not without flaws. Flaws that have not been rectified even a bit.

No LTE.

Low memory for user-apps.

Fragile display.

Low resolution Panorama pics.

S-Voice is a joke.

Smart Stay is not a performer.

The first 2 were addressed by throwing a new device at our faces - I9305. Imagine what iPhone users would say if the iPhone 5.1 came out 2 months after the iPhone 5....?

The 3rd and 4th were never addressed. And so, I am just hoping some company, maybe HTC, maybe even some chinese phone maker will produce an S3 killer, and help me make the switch.
[Galaxy S III General] cba1986:
I posted in Samsung Belgium, Mobile, deutsch on Facebook, Google + and Twitter.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
This thread has descended into a litany of abuse being slung between fellow xda-ians.

I would love for the missing libs etc. to be in the hands of our great developers here, but to see how the people in charge of this 'movement' are behaving and how they are getting so caught up in their own legends makes me cringe.

This thread needs a new spokesman and people need to stop getting so damned defensive when somebody criticises what they are doing, I posted the op on a Sammy fb page, but when I read posts from pulser and jerdog and conan, it makes me think, "well yeah, they've got a point" not "f*ck these guys" these guys, who I might add, have been around a lot longer than most here and have done more and been involved in more for the community.

This 'movement' WILL lose steam if it continues on the way it is going at the moment and will just lead to resentment and animosity between xda members. (Junior, senior, mod or dev, whoever)

There needs to be a concerted effort from xda, something we all agree on.
[Galaxy S III General] k0ekje:
The thing I don't understand is that there are a few here firmly discussing that this isn't the right way to do it. In my opinion it is working and it is working pretty good. It is on the portal of XDA and I quote from the article:

"To stay apprised with the latest news regarding the lacking Exynos documentation, be sure to visit the petition thread"

If it would be that bad I don't think this would have been posted. We got Sammy's attention on Twitter and on Facebook. Isn't that the first part of what we want? This already happend in only two days!
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
I started a similar thread on the SII forums, so more people get informed about the campaign and the idea behind it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
[Galaxy S III General] :
Behold... the customer force!! Oops. Did it work? I don't think so. We just got their attention, but the maximum they can do is give some **** answer telling that they can't release it because it's close and they don't have the source and blahblahblah. They love to mess with people... I've been living this since the SII was confirmed to get ICS.

Carriers are also barriers. It's also their fault that firmwares aren't just one, causing that ****ing mess. Why not release the damn sources and let us also compile our own stock firmwares? Release one firmware, and by OTA, release minor patches, instead of making thousends of ROMs for each country. CyanogenMod being able to work on more stuff, fixing bugs. CyanogenMod on Nexus is awesome, and it's much better than stock. On i9300, stock is faster, less bugged, and for me, CM isn't a alternative. Even on i9100 CM was always better, a no-back alternative. Why? I remember codeworkx saying: more features, more hacking.
[Galaxy S III General] Scarface1991:
If Samsung really decides to release Source code for the SIII Exynos processor, will this source code (or parts of it) also be applicable to the SII Exynos processor? Or are they completely different and one has nothing to do with the other except the name?
[Galaxy S III General] :
Well, espen ported SIII stuff to SII to fix memory leak, but I still guess that 90% of SIII source code isn't compatible with SII. The other 10% may be very hard to port.
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
The differences, if you have source, are fairly small. Problem is there is no way to hack some of the 4412 binaries to work properly on 4210.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
So......

Has anyone heard back from Samsung yet?

Or are they trying to sort out the eMMC brickbug before they get back to us?

I'm on my lunch break. Once I knock off work I'll check out those links on fb and g+ and post that request so they stay on the ropes.

I don't think many people realise how much influence social media has.

Well done to those trying to get an answer
[Galaxy S III General] anup123456:
Your Asking Senior Mods/Admins to leave and ignore a thread =))

The stuff which is going on wouldn't have been possible if XDA didn't allow us posting in this thread and have had closed it right away

if they didn't know our purpose.

You should calm down grab a beer and be a little polite towards the mod/admins.
[Galaxy S III General] browy:
People, aren't we on the same side here?

By the way, may I ask, when was the last time any of this ever worked? When was the last time Samsung actually heard or voices? They never did, never do and if we don't push a little harder, they probably never will. I'm done begging and asking nicely. Unless they provide a proper support for third party development in the near future, S3 is gonna be the last Samsung device I've ever bought.
[Galaxy S III General] Toss3:
Exactly and I do hope that if we do get the sources that the people whom were against this campaign do not use them, because not complaining would have gotten us nothing. Protesting is not illegal and this is just a way for anyone, anywhere to stand up and have their say.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
No one has been against the campaign, but people have, quite correctly, questioned the methods used.......and that is quite within the rights of the powers that be. Especially taking into consideration that the campaign is sheltering under the XDA banner.
[Galaxy S III General] conantroutman:
Ever get the feeling your banging your head against a brick wall? :p

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Hell yes! Head.....hurts......a.....lot!

Losing....will....to....live................but... ...

Cancer didn't beat me, and neither will they! :thumbup::D:thumbup:
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
yall should actually read the whole forum thread. You're repeating arguments already brought up and answered.
[Galaxy S III General] Arjen:
Finally some serious talk in this thread :D

When do some start to learn...
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
believe me when I say I have......and seeing as I made several of those initial statements I have no qualms in repeating myself for the benefit of those that can't be bothered to read ;)
[Galaxy S III General] drraptor:
Sent a request for Galaxy S2.
[Galaxy S III General] Toss3:
But why? I see people protesting all the time, so this should be nothing new - we are just voicing our concerns. I see nothing wrong here, and why would it hurt for XDA to get the attention of a huge corporation such as samsung? It's time they realised how important the dev-work here is for the community of galaxy-users, and how important word-of-mouth is for the success of a product.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
simple answer.....address this question to the powers that be! :p;)
[Galaxy S III General] kelvinyap9:
Created an inquiry in the OSRC :)

Using public shame against Samsung seems to be the only way for them to give us what we want to be able to unlock the full potential of the SGS3 (their flagship phone!) working flawlessly on custom ROMs without the issue of being limited by non/half-working code.

Samsung's own software isn't exactly all that. They need to allow awesome devs in this community to show them how it's done!

Who are we kidding? S Voice was an absolutely poor product, and shouldn't even have been included with the SGS3 release just because it works so half-arsed.

My thoughts.
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
u've just got no actual response to that question yourself. that's what it is. Again: No reputation is being damaged. The less of the devs. This is a movement organized ON xda, though, lead by users and consumers. Samsung knows that... and if they tell you differently, then they're lieing and using and abusing you... once again. And you don't even notice it. They'll do anything to shut people up.
[Galaxy S III General] :
It's working! :laugh:
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Lol lol lol.......Samsung tell me anything?!!! ..........why would they do that?! I'm just a gardener!

I think the powers that be hold the answers, my only point is that people need to respect the opinions of those in charge here, and work with them, not override them ;)
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
I didnt mean they talk to you. But to those you call "in charge". And you're just defending them unnecessarily. Again, read the whole forum thread. You obviously missed a lot.
[Galaxy S III General] kickassdave:
This is actually really awesome work from everyone. Getting them merely to acknowledge is always the first step. Now we need actual action from them. No use doing this if all we get is an initial response. Good luck :)
[Galaxy S III General] ghostofcain:
I hope I'm wrong but the responses we have received read to me like fairly standard "we have seen your messages now be a good boy and f#&k off and stop bothering us" answer you'd expect. PR spokespeople are employed to do just that I'm not going to celebrate until the devs have what they need.
[Galaxy S III General] C0qRouge:
I'm think the same way! Because of that I opened up a thread to discuss to create a facebook-site on topic.

The Problem with this here is, that only Samsung sees how many people want to change something. No one else. This way here you can't get bad press.

With a facebooksite you would get bad press for samsung. And it would be a much easier way to do it as to write these messages as mentioned in OP....
[Galaxy S III General] Warren.D:
News article. Samsung has responded to the campaign

http://www.talkandroid.com/135667-s...oidForums (Android News, Rumours, and Updates)
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I haven't missed anything, there was a split opinion amongst those people, people were rude to them,I pointed that out. Simple.that is all.

You are arguing with the ghost of an ever changing situation!

Off to enjoy the sunshine now......so if you want you may continue to pick an argument with my ghost too!

Trying to fight with humility is akin to swiping at thin air!

Pooooooft.. .gone! ;)
[Galaxy S III General] itchy67x:
maybe you got too much sunshine...

use a hat next time :cowboy:
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
I always use a hat, as advised by my oncologist after having radiotherapy and chemotherapy ;)

Good day to you as well good sir ;)
[Galaxy S III General] JustMy2cent:
As a Samsung S III (and Htc) user i really support that cause as long as it stays friendly and doesnt get out of hand. :good::)

Thanks a lot.
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
it always has been friendly and it never got out of hand. Some coloured names in here + there black named sheep have just seen too many bums from inside in my opinion. (sorry for gettin that picture into your head now :P ) So they're trying to create problems where there arent any.
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
exactly
[Galaxy S III General] Jmldsilva:
To Samsung in Portuguese:

Gostaria de solicitar que forneçam o Codigo fonte dos chips Exynos para a Comunidade que desenvolve as Roms AOSP de forma a que não excluam o Galaxy SIII e outros desse mesmo desenvolvimento.. Tenham atenção que a comunidade que utiliza as AOSP ROM é considerável.
[Galaxy S III General] Arjen:
I think you see to much conspiracies in everything mate, chill....
[Galaxy S III General] DrGomez:
If you find any more articles on websites about this, please post them here for us to see.

Thank you! :)
[Galaxy S III General] Gliedfried:
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/10/samsung-listens-to-developer-concerns-over-missing-exynos-docs/

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9300 mit Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
This thread, and this mission, have become a joke.

Nobodies getting caught up in their egos thinking they can change the world and pushing away the only people that have the knowledge to use what we are trying to get, and the only people who have actually had direct contact with Samsung.

There are three people in particular who have gotten so caught up in this that they have gotten very big for their boots.

I want the libs and codecs as much as anyone, but not with muppets like this in charge.

I'd rather have nothing than to support this clusterf*ck of egos and bad attitudes and people not having a clue about how the world and business work.

In the words of Eric Cartman: "screw you guys, I'm going home."
[Galaxy S III General] w1nter456:
Wow, Samsung just works, nobody wants to protest already? Samsung just said they working to improve but in other words was just trying to make us quiet. They didn't state that will provide full sources. After bit of success, codeworkx got respond from Samsung and discuss with them. But that is not the end. Codeworkx also state that please continue to flood their fb/twitter until they finally release full sources. Guys, if you want to wait and sit. This thread is meaningless anymore.
[Galaxy S III General] :
OP updated.
[Galaxy S III General] Barracuda77777:
I am not sure if any of you owned the LG O3D, I did, first they were late in delivering gingerbread and when they did, it had a bug of the Ghost calls, we ran a similar campaign had articles in tech sites without avail. I got rid of the phone and got the note. I believe they have fixed it now 6 month after the problem appeared.

let's hope Samsung reacts differently to LG regarding bad publicity as LG did not care and deleted the posts from their Facebook pages.

good luck.