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[Galaxy S II General] tinchomey:
Don't stop believing!

GOOOO

Journey - Don't Stop Believin'!

Keep going!
[Galaxy S II General] Xerovius:
I don't think that this is going to work, unless it becomes news on larger news sites (less niche) in which then it will have a better chance. Let only the facts be stated how this situation is negatively impacting over 100,000 samsung customers of the exynos powered galaxy s ii alone due to lack of sources and documentation (insert comparisons with other chip vendors here), along with hundreds of thousands of other customers with Exynos powered devices and surely many more to come as community development becomes more and more popular etc etc.
[Galaxy S II General] yahyoh:
trust me guys u r just dreaming :(

sammy crap will not release any thing they want us to run crap wiz rom and stuck without updates :crying:

in ics days we made 100000 sign and they released nothing ×_×

that's it this my last non nexus device :cyclops:

yay cant wait for next nexus with s4 pro and 2 gig of ram and low price + android 4.2 + i'm sure it will be way faster than oem's devices + the stock rom is not bloated as hell

#****ingsamsung
[Galaxy S II General] Scarface1991:
If Samsung will screw us over again as I think it`ll happen, then my next phone will definitely be a Nexus or Qualcomm based, that`s for sure. Of course Samsung is making a s**t load of money right now but I really think they need to listen to their customers more, especially developers and power-users like us. Mostly friends who have no idea about smartphones come to me and ask me, what they should buy and I think that`s very often the case here and if people like me stop recommending Samsung devices then it could hurt Samsung money-wise. I just don`t get it, what would they loose if they release the stuff we ask them to release? Developers would be happy, we would be happy and Samsung would continue to be the Smartphone leader which would be a Win-Win situation.

So what`s the problem?
[Galaxy S II General] androidindian:
+1

If we don't hear or get a negative reaction from Sammy then time to jump to a nexus or Qualcomm device.. Lots of awesome devices soon to choose from
[Galaxy S II General] Scarface1991:
Like eep2378 did on his thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32624976

I added a poll and I`m really interested in your answers.
[Galaxy S II General] xman323:
I'm really disappointed

it's so sad

not everyone of us can change his phone every 2 years or so

If the official JB update is the last update for SGS2 it'd be a petty

as it has powerful HW compared to other flagship phones which are still being announced
[Galaxy S II General] Ibsonic:
The documentation problem of exynos has even reached the biggest dutch tech news.. ^^ i mailed them about this, and gave them information..lets involve media with this en create pressure

http://twk.rs/nkKZ
[Galaxy S II General] Scarface1991:
That`s great!

I already wrote to "The Verge" "Engadget" and "Androidpolice" but until now no response :(
[Galaxy S II General] yahyoh:
me 2 :(
[Galaxy S II General] androidindian:
Same here.. Seems they are not interested.. Hmmm
[Galaxy S II General] shaunnicho:
Posted to osrc twitter and Facebook... Power to the people :D
[Galaxy S II General] Ibsonic:
Btw, steve kondik who is known as the builder of cyanogen who is working at samsung now as a software dev.. cant he help ?

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[Galaxy S II General] TheSniperFan:
If I remember correctly, he works in the US and not in Korea.
[Galaxy S II General] cooladityarai:
Few days ago ROOTZWIKI twitted "its a pr stunt" , in response to crapsung's crapynos . It seems they were right.
[Galaxy S II General] androidindian:
agreed. its been a week we have been tweeting, and its taking them ages. whats the big deal with releasing codes.. its clear they are not interested!
[Galaxy S II General] compuw22c:
Luckily it's time for many of us to vote with our wallets pretty soon again, and I for one don't reward bad behavior. Seriously hoping those rumors of a 5" HTC Nexus are true... liked the One X for its screen but no way would I take it with Sense...
[Galaxy S II General] androidindian:
Some more pressure from Allaboutsamsung, Sammobile and other android blogs on exynos:

https://twitter.com/SamMobiles/status/258179879458189312

https://twitter.com/AllAboutSamsung/status/258178780827373569
[Galaxy S II General] drraptor:
Both the verge and engadget are just Apple fanboys they won't listen.

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the poll says it all.
[Galaxy S II General] djluis48:
Sent a form. Hope we succed!
[Galaxy S II General] gigg0:
Looking forward for their source code release - CM10 with their support will be awesome.
[Galaxy S II General] bisoner:
Agree with this 100%. I still love my S2 though. My next phone is going to be a Google phone though.
[Galaxy S II General] Scarface1991:
I`m afraid that that`s true but atleast Androidpolice could support us but they seem to think that this is not good enough for a news.
[Galaxy S II General] 666fff:
C'mon stupid Samsung. I'm getting a nexus next time. Ugh!
[Galaxy S II General] m.ocean:
Submitted through OSRC. Pasted the letter here in case any may find the template useful.
[Galaxy S II General] Mongostylor:
Same here, let's keep bombing them!!!
[Galaxy S II General] Nick Fury:
Does it personally effect every single one of you in a way that stops you from using your phones? NO

And if for some reason it does then please do something more constructive with your time, start a petition and personally hand it into Samsung and then maybe you might see a result.

Just putting a few comments in a thread isnt going to make any difference
[Galaxy S II General] cooladityarai:
Yes it effects ....to a person who needs his fone upgraded even when samsung leaves us,who needs to use full the potential of his fone,who needs contribute to the android community, who needs to have a really dual core EXYNOS powered device. If samsung does not releases the documentataion ,i will never buy any Sammy device and only prefer nexus. We all are tweeting ,mailing or whatever doing only to get our fone working by the virtue of awesome developers. Why sammy does not release documentation if qualcomm ,texas instruments ,st-ericsson can do the same....?
[Galaxy S II General] LarsenB:
@nickfairy (I can copy/paste too! Lets be friends.)

Lol you are putting the same post in all the Exynos' threads. In what way do these threads affect you?? If it doesn't interest you don't post.

Sad little creature.
[Galaxy S II General] Scarface1991:
Yes it does affect me, since I don`t want to use TouchWiz and if the CM development comes to a halt because of the missing Source Code then we will have a serious problem in my opinion.

This scenario right now is the result of "We don`t have anything to lose". Developers tried to ask nicely for this and petitions were created in the past, and they wouldn`t listen, now we try it a last time with social media and if this won`t make them listen, then several very smart people like codeworkx and Entropy512 will leave the Exynos development and because of this power users like me will leave Exynos based devices because there is no future for them when it comes to development.
[Galaxy S II General] androidindian:
Nick fury is posting the same message everywhere. Why does this bother him if he is not interested

The basic fact for having an open source platform is we love open source and it's development and innovation

Now I heard from allaboutsamsung(twitter) that samsung will not be releasing the sources .. Hmmm
[Galaxy S II General] KidCarter93:
So what part of your post is not doing exactly the same?

Fair enough Nick has posted the same thing, but so have you by responding the same thing in this thread, the Note thread and the S3 one.

Also, as you'll see by my response to your private message, I have absolutely no need or desire to report you. I don't need to report people but even if I felt the need to, I'd happily let you know about it.

Oh look, I just posted the same thing as in my PM to you. I guess you're not the only one who can follow someone else's lead.

''Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver''
[Galaxy S II General] mckeowngoo:
Samsung won't make money from releasing source code to scene devs so they won't do it. All they're interested in is revenue and sales.

So what if a few thousand people sign a petition, millions of more people out there who will buy their products who don't care about custom firmware.

Whilst I admire the petition and it's aims I pity the futility of the campaign.

"Forgiveness is devine but never pay full price for late pizza"
[Galaxy S II General] TheSniperFan:
Yeah, but you forget about their image. It's not like Samsung doesn't care at all. They by no means want this to spread, because this would be very bad for their image. Especially as there are companies that do support the development (like Sony).

I, for sure, will neither buy not recommend a non-Nexus Samsung smartphone.
[Galaxy S II General] mckeowngoo:
Rubbish.

How is the fact the Samsung won't release source code for their propriety hardware, source code that they own and have every right not to release for possible competition reasons going to affect their standing with non scene consumers?

Samsung pulled some bull#### PR stunt to try and ingratiate themselves with a few consumers who wanted to #### around with custom software, made some nice noises about helping with development and then renaiged on that statement ; do Samsung then owe you or anyone else anything?

They don't care because in their eyes we don't matter. Everyone should get over, move on and go to another phone manufacturer if they feel strongly about the issue.
[Galaxy S II General] dud3me:
Tbh if this gets to bigger news sites etc. it would be bad for their image. Also seeing as companies like Sony do release the required code, might push Samsung to do so as well. And the fact that TI + Snapdragon help the devs doesn't hurt either. Anyway I won't die if they don't release the source code, but I'll make sure my next phone isn't exynos based. Though,If they had no intention of doing something about this issue, they shouldn't have misled us.
[Galaxy S II General] mckeowngoo:
"Welcome to the news and tonight's headlines. The world unites in condemnation of Samsung for not releasing source code for its Exynos chipsets. More deaths in Syria....."

Give me a break. This will have zero affect on Samsung's image with Joe public. So a dev quite rightly calls Samsung out and moves on to develop for a Sony phone! Do Samsung care? Not a jot.

As I said, whilst I admire the campaign I cannot see a successful end result.
[Galaxy S II General] dud3me:
Funny.

Yes, the general public doesn't give a f*ck about source code etc, but it's not impossible that they'd release something for us. Though, personally I find it really unlikely. Still if they had no intention of releasing anything, they should've just kept their mouth shut. But since you seem to know best, I'm probably just wasting my time here.
[Galaxy S II General] mckeowngoo:
Indeed.
[Galaxy S II General] drraptor:
At least HTC has listened check cad portal
[Galaxy S II General] Scarface1991:
What we can do is try and that`s exactly what we are doing, trying a last time before moving on to Qualcomm based devices.

And your opinion is your opinion. There are other people who think differently about this:
[Galaxy S II General] mckeowngoo:
Yes, it is my opinion.

Whilst I respect codeworkx and all his hard work, just because he thinks a 100,000 signatures will make a difference doesn't make it so.

All big multinational companies are motivated by revenue and sales. Altruistic tendencies don't come in to it and if Samsung don't want to release the source code I doubt a 100,000 tech savvy consumers are going to force their hand on a subject that doesn't affect 99.9% of their consumer base.
[Galaxy S II General] m.ocean:
This is a misguided and rudimentary understanding of the business world. Of course all corporations are motivated by revenue. You mistakenly perceive developer support as altruistic when there is a strong revenue case for it. It is fiscally prudent because enthusiasts are the early adopter crowd which to a very large degree dictate the success at mass market.

If you want to learn more about this, I can recommend "Crossing the Chasm" by Geoffrey Moore. Despite what you may think, this is common knowledge to any competent product marketer.
[Galaxy S II General] mckeowngoo:
Ever worked for Samsung or any other electronic manufacturer?

I have and do believe me when I say that it's all about sales, turnover and profit.

You can fool yourself in to thinking Samsung will release the source but at the end of the day they owe the scene devs nothing. TBH I think it was a nice gesture of a free phone to the Cyanogenmod team.
[Galaxy S II General] m.ocean:
In what capacity did you work for Samsung? I haven't been employed by Samsung but I did work closely with them on their investments in the PC gaming space, specifically WCG and enthusiast hardware marketing. 10+ years of experience in product marketing, business development, and sales here.

You keep coming back to this point of them owing scene developers nothing. Nowhere did I say they owe it to anyone. I said it's a profitable decision. I'm sorry but it's pretty apparent that you are out of your depth on this subject.
[Galaxy S II General] mckeowngoo:
I worked for Samsung and watched them shut 3 manufacturing plants when the government subsidies stopped. They then started up production in Eastern Europe to take advantage of access to the EU market place and cheaper wage costs. Yes, they're a company, like many other companies who look to make as much profit as possible and keep costs down to a minimum. Is that wrong? No, and they did nothing wrong other than laying off a management team and production staff.

Samsung has a massive production portfolio, building ships to consumer electronics. They even built jet fighters for their government under license from MacDonald Douglas. They're a good company to work for but I saw the lean and mean operations they ran to squeeze the bottom line, take advantage of local conditions and keep costs down to the bare minimum.

I am no cheerleader for Samsung and I am a realist. I cannot see them releasing the source code for their Exynos chipset.

If this upsets some of you then I'm sorry but there it is. Let us not get in to semi personal insults about "being out of my depth". You know your business and I know mine.

Anyway, I wish you all well in your endeavour.
[Galaxy S II General] Kaiserbenn:
Yeah!!

https://twitter.com/SamsungSupport/status/259349563985502208

OK, they don't give a ****... just buy an iPhone 5 and die.
[Galaxy S II General] Rildiz:
Hope is all we have, hope is what abandons man last, hope is something we cannot lose. And that's why people doesn't take kindly when someone tries to trample it. As I see it booth of present two different but likely valid points but I rather hope for the best and work in whatever capacity I can to make this true.
[Galaxy S II General] m.ocean:
You still have not stated what capacity you worked for them in. Just that you worked for them. That might mean you were a factory worker, a retail sales person, or any other position that doesn't uniquely qualify you to make the statements you are making.

Your tenuous grasp of basic business concepts is why I questioned your posts; you seem to think that a company can either be profitable or it can support a public interest but that the two are mutually exclusive. Even in this reply you state that you have first hand knowledge of how 'lean and mean' Samsung is because they outsourced some manufacturing jobs. Let me tell you with certainty: Samsung invests heavily in their marketing efforts. I know this because I have worked with them on it in the past and seen them invest tens of millions of dollars into their sponsorship of World Cyber Games events since 2001. By your logic Samsung is 'too lean & mean' to spend money on marketing efforts like this. You still don't seem to understand that investments like these, and meeting the demands of enthusiast markets as cultivated here on XDA is very much in the fiscal interest of the company.

It's really convenient for you to back down from your previous statements and go on the defensive because I point out the fallacy in your posts. I'm sorry if you took it as a personal insult, but maybe you shouldn't go around discouraging people from organizing by making up false statements that you have no basis of proof for.
[Galaxy S II General] mckeowngoo:
LOL.

Televised computer gaming leagues are massive ratings winners in South Korea. I would be surprised if Samsung didn't sponsor this type of event. And when I mean sponsor I mean advertise their brand and not give a charitable donation.

And if your logic were true then Samsung would have released the source code by now, the dev scene would be given access to the latest handsets and free fluffers for all!

Has this happened? Oh no, that's why there is a campaign on to "force" Samsung to release their code.

Now please, I'm not attacking you or this campaign, I'm just posting my view of things. Let's hope Samsung do back down and gain kudos by releasing the code.

As I said, I wish you all well with the campaign.
[Galaxy S II General] Incabulos:
There are a lot of errs in your logic, and it seems as if you have seen them too, but your pride is holding you back.

There is no need for that kind of pride here. Let it go, or leave the "room".
[Galaxy S II General] etherspin:
we can argue that it makes little financial sense to release the source code but in time enough good will gestures and reliability does improve the standing of a company. Samsung's popularity is off the charts now they are known for making some of the fastest phones with the nicest screens and cameras around but could really take it up a notch by shaking off the bad name they have for plasticky build quality and being apples prime KIRF . continuing to release upgrades for handsets that can handle it and continuing to engage the open source community will make these guys seem more legit, its in their best interest
[Galaxy S II General] jcasares:
Releasing source code most probably has other implications, monetary, legal, technical. A big company usually moves slow so such a decision will take time.

I don't see why sharing the code will be necessarily negative for their profits or why they shouldn't care about the community. It's a good market decision to care about the community and it's more evident in recent years. Community conscious companies are better viewed for a start.
[Galaxy S II General] jgcaap:
How about yamaha source code?
[Galaxy S II General] Codrea:
guys, if samsung doesn't release exynos source code is that mean even the official jelly bean with project butter is released, the developer ROM can't make jelly bean ROM with project butter..

is that mean if sammy doesn't release the source code, custom ROM will always get a bug on it?
[Galaxy S II General] elmig:
The later, the worse for Samsung. Eventually we've all moved on to another phone, not-samsung for sure, and we will have our 4.2 and 5. Such a huge success as SGS2 gives Samsung extra responsibility and time is running out.

#blamesamsung
[Galaxy S II General] azulgranas:
I didn't know much about the source codes of exynos. But if other chip manufactuers like Qualcomm, Nvidia.. released their source codes then Samsung should do the same thing. We must be angry about this problem to urge samsung release their source codes as soon as possible.
[Galaxy S II General] spelaben:
They might bring up the topic on their developer session which is streamed live right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=LyYXh1V8ov8
[Galaxy S II General] Scarface1991:
Check this out: :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/21...nos-will-go-open-source/#.UIRNmGlUJEg.twitter
[Galaxy S II General] Manitax:
VICTORY!! :D

Sent from my SGS2
[Galaxy S II General] EmptyArea:
Don't scream Victory yet.
[Galaxy S II General] dud3me:
Yeah just saw a few tweets about this, though will this include our s2's as well as s 3's processor sources?
[Galaxy S II General] iamnotkurtcobain:
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/21...nos-will-go-open-source/#.UIRNmGlUJEg.twitter

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[Galaxy S II General] Scarface1991:
I surely hope so.
[Galaxy S II General] Kaiserbenn:
Haha my s2 will still be alive in 2 years! Thanks!!!
[Galaxy S II General] marcinsu:
WIN!

Open source :) and what the hell

Weeeeeeeee!

:cyclops::cyclops::cyclops::cyclops:
[Galaxy S II General] iamnotkurtcobain:
Please DON'T STOP posting tweets on samsungexynos!! We want the RIGHT sources. Sources that are useful!!

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[Galaxy S II General] Testraindrop:
IF they pull it through then I maybe will still be their customer when I buy my new phone, unlike SONY, Motorola & HTC, they at least didn't drop support for their 2011 phones, and finally are going to support devs :good:
[Galaxy S II General] Kaiserbenn:
I was this close to buy an iPhone 5! Ha ha this is so cool!! Thanks to CM, S2 will never die. Butterfly here we are!
[Galaxy S II General] rudolf895:
WIN :P

[YOUTUBE]LyYXh1V8ov8[/YOUTUBE]

Youtube Video Link
[Galaxy S II General] Scarface1991:
Hmmm maybe it was a little early to celebrate::(
[Galaxy S II General] thelossa:
How is that an improvement from Samsung?
[Galaxy S II General] Kaiserbenn:
If I had bought an iPhone, I would keep it as is. Just do standard stuff without crapware... but also without killer feature. It just works.The iphone is way better than the s2 with its Sammy touchwiz crappy stock ROM. With cm inside it is not the case, it really put the s2 at the top.

I even prefer an s2 with cm than a S3 with Sammy ROM... I'll always be thanksfull to cm team to free my s2 from this BS.

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Mother****ers! :( finally I'll bite into the forbidden fruit pretty soon ha ha ha ha ha

If it is confirmed thy are releasing already available sources, I'll never buy a Samsung stuff... and all the people I give advice to also....
[Galaxy S II General] elmig:
Before next Nexus would give a chance of next phone being Samsung.

Not gonna wait till the 31th of February ;)
[Galaxy S II General] Codrea:
does samsung release source code that developers want? or old source code that already know?
[Galaxy S II General] NOMIOMI:
samsung is a real motherf***er if they will not release the code me and 15 friends will nerver buy any samsung stuff we all 15 friends have s2 s3 and samsung glaxy nexus

here if the samsung will not release the code its for sure 15 customer will b leave the samsung

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samsung is a real motherf***er if they will not release the code me and 15 friends will nerver buy any samsung stuff we all 15 friends have s2 s3 and samsung glaxy nexus

here if the samsung will not release the code 15 customer will leave the samsung
[Galaxy S II General] Codrea:
Very sad but we are decieved by samsung, this source code isnot the onedeveloper needs :crying:

So, it's just back tonil again..

Next time, I'll make sure to buy nexus phone or tablet and never buy phone using samsul procesor f*ck samsung
[Galaxy S II General] jontr:
sent.
[Galaxy S II General] yahyoh:
calm down guys maybe we have a little hope :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S II General] _Zealot:
we will see ;)
[Galaxy S II General] Adam Hui:
Yeah... a lil hope for a significant changes of exynos full docs from origen for phone w/ Yamaha & ril...:o
[Galaxy S II General] bkjugg:
Do not say "victory" until we got sources.
[Galaxy S II General] TheSniperFan:
This guys!

The developers don't just need sources, they need specific ones. Besides that, there'd have to be one that is actually motivated to work on this device, since this will be a lot of work depending on how much will habe to be fixed and there are other devices already.
[Galaxy S II General] drraptor:
Keep poking Samsung, until they actually release what we need.