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[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
How's that? The Xperia T is the same CPU and same screen size/resolution (4.7" 720p) as the USA S3 variants. Dual Krait easily matches quad Exynos4 in most workloads and beats it in quite a few.

It is, for all practical purposes, a USA S3 - but better built, better designed, better developer support, better stock software even.

It's a given that as a CM maintainer, I'm eventually going to take my new T over to CM10 - but I thought I would have to force myself to stay on stock for more than a week or two. At this point, it's honestly going to be somewhat tough to switch over after the new year. Yeah it may be only ICS - but it's interesting that ICS on the T seems smoother than CM10/10.1 JB on Exynos4. The manufacturer skin is not too intrusive and well integrated. It's just a solid, well-built, well-designed device with better software quality than I've ever seen on any non-Nexus device. Their theming engine is nowhere near as powerful as CM's, but it's better than the total lack of any theming Samsung has, and it always provides clean results.

This is the first time I've ever used a cell phone camera and not been immediately disgusted by the results.

Oh you know that infamous "device is charged, remove charger" mess that's such a ***** to remove on Samsungs? Sony does have it too, and tbh it's one of the biggest flaws in their firmware (it's buggy...) - but unlike Samsung who buried that crap deep in their frameworks, requiring smali hacks to disable, Sony put it in a fully separate APK. Freeze it in TiBu and it's gone, easy peasy. That's the other thing that impresses me - Sony's stock firmware doesn't have crap putting tendrils deep into the framework, they have something that is nice and modular.
[Galaxy S III General] TheCraig:
I somewhat agree with you, Sony has great stock firmware, granted at release their firmware is really unstable (Like the Xperia S, freezes during shutdown, etc) but after a few weeks that was fixed (Keep in mind Sony SUCK with their updates, 4.2 is out yet sony have only just announced 4.1 for February) and The Xperia T's camera and Galaxy S3's camera are on par with each other (imo) but I definitely prefer the dark lighting conditions for the Xperia T, but I vowed never to go back to Sony after what happened with the ICS update for the Xperia play.

And yeah the Small apps thingy has already been ported to all the 2011 devices from the Xperia T, We had to wait for Samsung to give us Multi view.

I'm dreading what will happen to this device when Samsung abandon it (The S2 still gets updates now and that is nearly 2 years old, so by then hopefully I will get a new device.)
[Galaxy S III General] Entropy512:
Well, as I see it:

Stock firmware updates are slower but of higher quality when they come out. No steaming pile of bugridden fugly **** like I9100 ICS was.

If you want the latest and greatest, Sony's developer support for newer devices is the best you're going to get without purchasing a Nexus. Yes, older devices had issues (If I recall correctly, I think their devrel guy apologized to jerpelea for the X10...), but Sony has been doing a good job of learning from their mistakes and listening to community input and with each iteration their devices are getting more and more developer-friendly.
[Galaxy S III General] yoramweil:
Sorry guys. Its amazing how stock android or CM are running smoothly on my brand new Nexus. I really don't look back for my sgs3. My teenage son is now very happy with it and the crapwiz..... So long and good luck! All the storage issues and battery stuff become marginal when seeing the screen and performance of this device!
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Good bye and don't let the door hit you on the way out ^^

(Also, note that the N4 doesn't work with and OTG-cable so conserve thy space)
[Galaxy S III General] gavin-phelan:
Dont need to be nasty. Be nasty at samsuck for there crapwiz. Alot of people are doing the same and jumping ship to the almighty n4
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
Almighty? Lmao.. Wait for few more days ces 2013.. There are going to be much better and powerful devices on stands;)

At the end of the day it all comes to user satisfaction in a personal way, haters find ways to increase their hatredness, lovers find ways to justify their love for their device. This will never end.

《posted from samsung rom》
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Almighty? Hardly.

It's awesome software-wise, but it seriously lacks hardware wise. Sure, it's got the S4 Pro yada yada yada, but at CES 2013 we'll see some real performance monsters that whips the floor with anything we deem powerful today. Also, I heard that the camera isn't as good on the N4. Plus, no sd card slot, non-removable battery and the fact that OTG isn't supported yet isn't what I would call almighty.

Though, I'd throw this i9300 to hell and get a Nexus 4 if they weren't so expensive here in Sweden. N Nexus 4 costs roughly £432, or €531 or $702 in today's currencies.
[Galaxy S III General] yoramweil:
I really think its about user experience. Even Modded latest crapwiz over clocked doesn't run as smooth as d rock android on the N4. Goodbye and good luck!
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
No version of android runs as smooth on any device as it does on a Nexus device. Carriers adding their **** and Samsung hiring color blind ui designers with an urge to pack as much crap in a UI as possible.

Nexus firmware size ~300mb

Crapwiz (especially for the S3) ~ Over 1 damned gigabyte.
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
It is such a shame nothing happened with exynos4. Being strung along for so long by Samsung grates so bad... I don't know why they weren't honest and up front from the beginning. The work here has been very noble for the most part. And always passionate. This is what makes xda. Entropy is particular has been brilliant. I have so much respect for him. :cool:

I'm still looking forward to the S4 tho, 1080p etc, exynos5? I'm presuming. Maybe some will find some Samsung love again quite quickly? There's always the next best thing around the corner... That's to be expected.

I've had my N4 since the day of release. Been on CM for 3 weeks. Its opened my eyes to what Android really is. And can do... Its a class act. I don't get why some here are cold to it on a number of levels. I honestly haven't given the S3 a second thought. I understand the storage gripes some people have mentioned. But that's where it ends for me. I sent all my S3 stuff to Box when I switched. I now have 40 albums, 10hours of TV on my N4 and I'm not close to being full. I've just have to manage it a little better. The international S3 is a joke if you aren't running touchwiz. It is the still the best non iphone that 99.6% of the population can buy. The camera is great. Motion is cool etc... Running the S3 non stock is just frustrating knowing it isn't how it should be. And that is something I could not live with.

If you have a day with the N4 you will never want to go back to a S3. I assure you of this.
[Galaxy S III General] madmack:
You guys that are so frustrated with TW and want all the goodies that come with the S3 (camera, external storage, mhl.. ) can always try and import a US GSM variant of the S3. They have the same camera, external storage support and are qualcomm based so you do get the latest and greatest Android variants from xda and it does run project butter perfectly well. Sure you only get two cores instead of four, but for my personal day to day tasks, I didn't even notice it. Having project butter supported will give you a better and smoother experience if anything.

Have a look at the AT&T or T-Mobile S3 sections here on the forums for more info. I'm running CM10.1 currently on my S3 and the thing flies. Having switched from an international S3, I can tell you guys that the aosp scene on the i9300 is pathetic at best. Thanks to the lack of sources. qcom > insignal (sammy). The differences in smoothness and UI responsiveness between the two is significant. Hell, even MHL is supported on the AOSP roms.

2 cents
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
Henceforth this thread was started as an initiative to find ways to get the sources from samsung.. But people expect everything super fast and instantly... The current state of the source is mostly broken as per devs but im still optimistic of getting the sources sometime soon. qualcomm sources are there for years and hence the quality of the code, samsung promised to update the source in november publicly and its just been a month after the announcement. hopefully they should keep up their words ,

But in reality people dont have that much patience, they check into this thread, ask about sources and if they see nothing useful inside they take out their frustration before leaving the thread ;)
[Galaxy S III General] acey_zero:
So... The 19th has come and gone, did Samsung release anything?
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
Nothing that isn't broken and/or incompatible or old as hell.
[Galaxy S III General] TheCraig:
If carriers did not put their **** on top of Android then we would have identical phones everywhere, the only difference would be specs and phone design, now that reminds me HEAVILY of the iPhone, who the hell wants the same UI on EVERY ****ing phone?

Touchwiz needs work but compared to sense and some other ui's its pretty nice.
[Galaxy S III General] acey_zero:
Yeah, I know that, but did they release anything at all today or yesterday? I couldn't find anything (not even an updated schedule), but I don't exactly know where to look.
[Galaxy S III General] kaynpayn:
Don't count on it. You'd know by now if they had.

I wouldn't mind changing my S3 for a N4, but they aren't for sale in portugal just yet and i don't really like the idea of ordering from outside. If i have an issue that i need to send it to warranty i'm not even sure where to send it. Surely google won't accept or even have a repair center on a country they don't sell the phone in. So i'll stick with the S3 until something happens.

I'd understand samsung not wanting to release said sources (even if i think they'd benifit from that) but i just can't tolerate being lied to. It'd be fine if they had never said anything (i'd still be gutted for they poor customer relationships but they'd be on their right to do so) but if they did promiss i expect them to comply. Still holding my breath.

But to be honest that N4 is starting to look very appealing, especially it's price. I'd even recover some money if i changed my S3 for an N4...
[Galaxy S III General] Sincci:
So, if you fail to meet your deadline, you are a liar? Would it be fair if everyone else told you that even if you had some explanation why your project isn't done on the "promised day"?
[Galaxy S III General] Stevemeister:
Seriously dude, come on.... Didn't you read the comments from Andrew/Daniel/Guillaume and the G+ story's by Andrew. There is no progress at all, why would you even think they will improve over time. Stop defending Samsung, read the stories from people like Andrew who are really involved and use that crap. I really don't get why Samsung does this, first they promise to provide sources and then they deliver (broken for mobile devices) ICS sources to calm the storm. I really hope they do better after providing those ICS sources and provide JB source before Key Lime Pie hit AOSP but I doubt it.
[Galaxy S III General] drakester09:
Doubt so, the people in CM and Teamhacksung got a much better and wider view of the situation and they have said it's a lost cause.

The astounding progress in CM 10.1 is all thanks to Teamhacksungs incredible skill at dealing with broken crap.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
it's not failing to meet deadlines but the claim that they'll provide the necessary stuff then just toss on broken stuff that doesn't work and pretty much playing it off as they upheld their end of the bargain. that's what makes them a bunch of liars.
[Galaxy S III General] prabhjots:
Did they not release the source because its so buggy and full of holes that they would be ridiculed in the developer community? The recently discovered exynos kernel root bug is living testimony. If this is really the case, I think they're doing everyone a big favour by not releasing the code yet.
[Galaxy S III General] f0xy:
Hello Ryan,

First of all, this is not an official answer.

It can be wrong.

As I know, there is no plan for JB for Exynos4x12 by Samsung.

Samsung tends to focus on their last processor.

So, by now, JB released only on Exynos5250. :(

We (Insignal) have plan for porting JB (or JB-mr1) on Exynos4x12.

But, sadly, we are not funded for this work.

So, I can't promiss it will done soon.

Regards,

This is an email I just received from someone that may be in the know!
[Galaxy S III General] Collixsion:
Greetings! Is there a way to add to this petition the GS3's camera Firmware sources for developing propouses? For the .ihex firmware files that seems to be "encypted " or something like that. Imagine to be able to record a normal video at 60fps!

Thanks in advance
[Galaxy S III General] SlimJ87D:
Smells like BS since we already have JB.
[Galaxy S III General] bala_gamer:
Lol, nothing to defend here, samsung owe me nothing. I'm still optimistic even after reading every possible posts from all the devs from day one this started.

《posted from cm10.1》
[Galaxy S III General] nazfalas:
He is talking about sources, of course.
[Galaxy S III General] -A-P-M-:
I would consider Xpera T, but since new flagships are not far away, I will rather wait for them. A few days ago I have seen Sony "Yuga" preview and it looks great - nice design, premium materials (dragontrail glass, which is very hard and durable) and great hardware: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_c660x_xperia_yuga_reviewed_liked-news-5225.php

Since Sony android phones are very good for develop, do you know if they will have CM support? If yes, then very likely I will get it when it will be available.. What Im suprised is that Sony still didn't update Xperia T to JB. If I will get Sony Yuga, it depends only if it will have CM support - then I know there will be fast updates, since it very good to develop.

I guess SGS4 would be very interesting if it gets Exynos 5250 (same as Nexus 10 has). But unfortunately it will most probably get Exynos 5450, so there will be probably SGS2 / SGS3 story again.
[Galaxy S III General] LarsenB:
I fear for the battery in this.
[Galaxy S III General] VR2012:
Why do people talk about everything except the topic? I don't care if Sony or LG makes better phones, thats BS for us stuck with the Galaxy S3 anyway.

My question is, why didn't anyone really asked the correct questions to Samsung when they actually MET them couple of months ago? Yeah we can tweet and blog, but someone should have stood up, and really talked to the people responsible for this.

I don't even think Samsung cares about a whining bunch of nerds like us crying on the internet. I think a good talk eye to eye with the responsible people would have been MUCH better.
[Galaxy S III General] kylesinho21:
They are a hypocrites

:banghead:

http://www.sammobile.com/2012/12/20...gin-to-roll-out-for-a-ton-of-samsung-devices/

Enviado desde mi Tamagotchi usando Tapatalk.
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
@vr2012

I guess OT because this thread is dead.

The right people at Samsung knew what was wanted more than 4 months ago.

And where were you before when we needed you?! This could have ended with a much happier ending... :D
[Galaxy S III General] VR2012:
@Wolfboy: Yeah, I know they always knew what we wanted :(. I just think that the discussion was too quiet, if I can say so, the questions were not asked in a way that they should have been asked. Samsung knew, we knew, noone else understands or knows...

Haha, I wasn't aware of the meeting, unfortunately, and I wouldn't attend if the meeting was not in Sweden I think (money could sometimes be a problem too ;) )
[Galaxy S III General] -A-P-M-:
Thats why I (and many others) are looking for alternatives and Sony is one of them. If Samsung would release all sources, I would 99% buy SGS4. Because they didn't release what is needed, I will look for alternatives. If Samsung sells less phones than expected (in future), that would be the best lesson for them.
[Galaxy S III General] gazdajezda:
Same here. **** them! Part of me somehow believe that Samsung will deliver us a proper code or at least something helpfull to our devs on 19/12, but my hope is gone now.
[Galaxy S III General] qazibasit:
The reason behind samsung not releasing the exynos sources is its complexity..... I dont think the architechture is stable enough to be messed with. Issues with exynos devices are reported daily. So until samsung is not comfortable with their design they just cant release the sources.
[Galaxy S III General] gilcn:
Or, perhaps they know how bad and dirty their source is and they are ashamed to show it to the world.
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
From now on, I won't ever care on having top-notch hardware in my phone. I will never betray the Nexus line again, and my next phone will undoubtedly be a Nexus device. I will also try to recommend Nexus devices to people and disregard Samsung as much as I can. I will even make up lies if I have to.
[Galaxy S III General] TheCraig:
I Respect your opinion but the only Nexus that has ever appealed to me was the Nexus S, now there are in my opinion much better alternatives, but in its time the Nexus S was the Galaxy S3 of its time.

I had owned a Nexus S for 2 months before I exchanged it for an Xperia Play, and I kind of regret doing that, Nexus S being a 2010 phone and the Xperia Play being a 2011 phone, In my mind I knew I liked the Nexus S better.
[Galaxy S III General] sudisk:
There is a basic flaw in the Nexus line of devices: they represent entirely Google's orientation on how to better merchandize a software that they do not sell.

1. low storage.

2. no extensibility.

Customers will need more often to use and subscribe to cloud services to store and access their data, which means buying more bandwidth for the data transfert. The first will be beneficial to google as they do sell such services and are the almost mandatory step to almost all similar ones. The second will be good for carriers who would then favor google devices as good for their business

3. lack of "goodies"

Unlike what many manufacturers (Samsung being in a good position) provide in their Roms, Nexus devices carry a naked version of android, with GApps and nothing else. While many people here do prefer AOSP because they know how and where to get the tools they need, most users just don't know what they can do with their phones and start by using the apps already on the phone before looking for something else, because they are just there.

4. the Apple syndrom

What are many people's griefs against Apple? Certainly not that they build bad devices, you can't make a hit out of a really bad one. It's not even the fact that their system is closed source: 97% desktop users are running Windows and it is closed source. The major grief against Apple is the full control over hardware and software.

Google is becoming just like Apple on this matter, first with the Nexus line, and second with Motorola of course.

5. the Open Source concept

Nexus phones are not much more open source than the competition. Of course the OS is open source, but what about the drivers, the hardware interfaces, they are just as closed source as any other device, because of course of the "software patents" and other legal restrictions making them unnecessarily restricted.

Besides all that, I really believe that Samsung has really build something new with the Note series, the multi-window interface (at least the split window on the phones) and that they attempt to escape the Google ecosystem while building their own (which may succeed or not).

So as a developer, even more or less retired, I regret that Samsung takes so long to release the Exynos Android kernel sources, but that really wouldn't make me, as a user, make me buy a Nexus device.
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
I not sure why you decided to post this lazy review/ article/ critique here... And whether your words will carry any weight. The audience in this thread are educated and have their eyes wide open. But for the normal 99% of users - your words *may* have been relevant.

Blurry and downright wrong factoids litter your post though... N4 Storage? Free 50gb Box for life. The Nexus line lack features? Photosphere. Google Now etc. (95% of people upgrading at the end of a contract wouldn't have these). Any Nexus is a showcase for 'the best of Google' after all. Nexus 4 and 10 not documented(?) and nearly as limited as iOS/ apple?! Eh?!

As with any product it's up to the consumer to do adequate research find what's best for them. For most, at this very moment, its iOS, S3 or Note2. That's what the till receipts prove. Out the box - you can't go wrong really.

But as I said at the start, that's certainly hasn't got ANYTHING to do with the reasons people have populated this thread, so passionately, for so long. And having just reread all this, I'm not sure your post warranted my length of reply. Oh well... Time for bed.
[Galaxy S III General] sudisk:
Thank you very much for this comment.

These were personnal thoughts and worries about what android may turn out to be now that Google has an increasingly popular line of devices. As for being uneducated, I did actually pick and make mine numerous comments that I have seen over the past year that I have been wandering on these forums.

Just a couple of remarks that show that you actually agree with me on a few points:

- N4 50GB Box storage : this is exactly what I said about the increased need for wireless bandwidth, and the fact that people are not owning their data anymore, they are suggested into putting them in the cloud, where control over their accessibility is more difficult.

- Google Now, as I mentionned earlier, is a tool that scans your digital usage and surrenders even more privacy to Google. It is not however a unique feature of the phone, like the stylus of the Note.

As for how this thread is concerned, you may or may not like the water effect of the SGS3/Note2 lockscreen, but maybe some devs would like to be able to implement it on an AOSP based system if they had proper hardware support. That's why I support this petition and that I may not choose a Samsung device when I decide to change. But I definitely won't go to a Nexus device for the very personnal reasons that I already explained before.
[Galaxy S III General] wolfboy1984:
Oh dear. So you have fundamental issues with what Google/Android 'has become'. You have to opt in to Google Now. It isn't compulsory. I'm presuming you don't search whilst signed in to any accounts by that logic either? But that's your choice. What I don't get I'd that you support this thread because you want a ripple lockscreen on AOSP?! Why would you want a AOSP rom if you disagree/ dislike the Nexus experience. If you like and want to use the stylus on the Note2 then you really need the Samsung apps that compliment it so well.

Completely contradictory and odd statements. I can't figure you out.

If anything - EVERYTHING you've said in your posts suggests you *should* oppose to this threads aim. You should be supporting a 'closed source Samsung' and encouraging Samsung to move away from Google's current direction of integration, search intuition and non-removable storage. You should probably be supporting they leave the handset alliance altogether. Because this is the way Android is being pushed. Whether you endorse it or not.
[Galaxy S III General] sudisk:
Certainly not. One can be pleased with some eye candy while being in favour of open source software. It reminds me of people who told me earlier that nobody should use Compiz Fusion because it's not pure Debian?

I took the lockscreen precisely as a simple example of what would be more easily done with working open drivers.

But as I believe that we are not talking of the same thing, I will stop about this digression that is not very relevant.

Sent from my Mint box because I don't like what Ubuntu has become (without having to switch hardware though).