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[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
GSMArena is usually wrong on detailed specs.

The Xperia Z has Dragontrail Glass on the front and back. If you think that's not durable enough, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F92CvRflk18 (= Dragontrail on that phone)

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Are you serious? The APQ8064 (Snapdragon S4 Pro) was released in a phone for the first time in November 2012, that's less than two months ago.

You won't see those new Snapdragons in a phone before the end of 2013 (late Q3 would be the soonest possible), probably even 2014.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Thanks for answering my first question. What about these other two questions? Many thanks:

1) Basically, despite the fact that more screen real estate in "phablet" like the Sony Xperia Z is useful, I am worried it might be "too big" compared to the Sony Xperia V.

2) Sony Xperia V uses slightly different LTE to the Sony Xperia Z. The Sony Xperia V uses LTE 800 / 850 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600, whereas the Sony Xperia Z uses LTE 800 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600. I know that 4G is still emerging on different mobile networks here in the Uk. I am hoping to get it through o2-UK but I'm unsure if/when they support 4G and which "bands" of LTE - whatever that means? Also, how that relates to the bands the Sony Xperia V and the Sony Xperia Z support (whether LTE 4G will work on these phones on o2-UK's 4G?) ?

Many thanks
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
The Xperia Z is a true global LTE phone. In theory it should work on all LTE networks.

I don't know where you got your info, but Sony's site (Developer World) lists these LTE bands:

Xperia V: 1, 3, 5, 7, 20.

Xperia Z: 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20.

So all the same networks are supported, even one more (8). All European networks use either 3, 7 or 20 - so both the Z and the V will work on all LTE networks in Europe (aside Russia).
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
I clicked thanks but I also want to say that I feel clicking thanks was not enough due to how detailed and useful that was! ;) :good:

Also , despite the fact that more screen real estate on a "phablet" like the Sony Xperia Z is useful, I am worried that it might be "too big" compared to the Sony Xperia V. What are your thoughts? Thanks :)
[Xperia Z General] KP_:
Screen Technology

A great amount of helpful info in this thread from a lot of people. I'm really glad i didn't spring for a TX before Christmas.

However, i'm curious of the screen type in these two phones (after the whole TX with different screens issue). Do they both come with OptiContrast screens?

In their hands-on, engadget mentioned a color washout on the ZL when viewed at an angle while not mentioning anything wrong about the Z's screen.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Sony's displays are very good when looked at head-on, very good contrast if you don't set the brightness too high for your environment and a stellar colour reproduction, but viewing angles are still a weak spot for all displays Sony puts in their smartphones.

I don't really see it as a problem since it's a phone and you can always look straight at it, but the display does wash out when viewed from an angle.

The display on the Z and ZL is exactly the same, both OptiContrast.

On the size thing: I'd go and see something similar in a shop before you decide.

Here are the measurements (height x width x depth) for common flagships so you have a way to compare:

Z: 139 x 71 x 7.9 mm (146g)

ZL (Odin): 131.6mm x 69.7mm x 9.8mm (151g)

Xperia V: 129 x 65 x 10.7 mm (120g)

Xperia T: 129.4 x 67.3 x 10.45 mm (139g)

Galaxy S3: 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6 mm (133g)

Note 2: 151.1 x 80.5 x 9.4 mm (183g)

HTC One X: 134.4 x 69.9 x 8.9 mm (130g)

HTC Butterfly: 143 x 70.5 x 9.1 mm (140g)

Nexus 4: 133.9 x 68.7 x 9.1 mm (139g)
[Xperia Z General] KP_:
If indeed they're both opticontrast i won't complain. I was however shocked to see the difference between no-air-gap and opticontrast, which was the main reason for my query.

Now March can't come fast enough. My Arc is aging fast :D
[Xperia Z General] spida_singh:
The Xperia Z will work on Every 4G network in the UK, i have the V, it's a great phone. I think 5 inches is too big for my hands. Regarding specs, id wait, every site specs different things for each phone.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sony-Xperia-Z-vs-Xperia-ZL-Specs-and-Photo-Comparison-319203.shtml

“Xperia Z is designed with shatter-proof, scratch-resistant glass on the front and back,” Sony explains.

If I was you, just get the Z, im thinking of changing my V for the Z when it arrives, unless HDR video can be ported to the V, don't know if HDR burst etc required Exmor RS, or if it's just software.
[Xperia Z General] SWFlyerUK:
Sorry for my ignorance, but has there been a price set in the UK?

I'd be after this as a replacement for the T, but not hopeful on getting anywhere near what I paid back.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
I am thinking of getting the Sony Xperia V - it will definitely work on every 4G in the UK, right? Also, what are you basing that on, for your point where you said: "If I was you, just get the Z..." ?
[Xperia Z General] spida_singh:
These are the frequencies used for 4G / LTE in the UK

800MHz

900MHz

1800MHz

2.6GHz

800, 1800 and 2600 are the ones being used by UK operators, EE will modify their existing range to include more in due course.

http://www.zdnet.com/uk/4g-in-the-u...oming-and-what-this-means-for-you-7000001819/

"As you would expect for a flagship phone, the Xperia Z will support 4G LTE networks, including the 800, 2,100 and 2,600MHz spectrums used in the UK."

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smartphones/1296934/sony-xperia-z-smartphone-officially-unveiled

The Z will be around £400, i paid £500 for my V. The V doesn't look like it will be released in the UK. The Z has a bigger screen, yet, is only 10mm taller than the V, and only 6mm wider. It's thinner, slightly heavier.

In the hand, it should feel less bulky than an S3, and similar to an Xperia T. The amount of phone your getting for the price, if they stay true to £400 is great :)
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Firstly, I tried to click thanks but the message "Sorry, you are limited to 8 thanks per day" appeared. So thanks! Your answer was also really useful! I spoke to an o2 Customer Service advisor earlier this hour and they assured me that they will definitely sell the Sony Xperia V definitely at some point over the upcoming month. I'm back to being stuck between the Sony Xperia V and Sony Xperia Z. Although, I'm leaning more towards the Z now, due to what you've said. I know you said "Z has a bigger screen, yet, is only 10mm taller than the V" but does that mean it will be between the overall size of the Sony Xperia T and a Samsung Galaxy S3?? (I've seen and held the T and I could just about cope with the size.) (I think I read in a previous post from somebody yesterday that the Sony Xperia Z will be slightly smaller overall than a Samsung Galaxy S3 but with it's thinner bezel still achieve its 5 inch screen which is bigger than the Samsung Galaxy S3's 4.8 inch screen - that's some feat!)
[Xperia Z General] tilal6991:
The V and T will surely be much lower now that the Z is coming.

I feel the Z is an awesome phone especially if it does come in the £400 range. I'm really happy with my T though and I'll probably wait for the next generation of phones - 2014 probably.
[Xperia Z General] spida_singh:
Thats right, it's about how well / efficient they make the chassis / bezel. Getting a 5 inch screen into something which is smaller than the GS3 is really good. It adds to the feeling that your holding a smaller phone, even though it has a bigger screen. I'm comparing the V's 4.3 Inch screen to the Z's 5 inch screen. In the hand, because of how well the Z is made, and how well they have made use of the space, the overall phone size is only different in millimeters when comparing both

I always take what o2 say with a pinch of salt, but that's just me (the V is not even on their coming soon page). Which ever you decide, it will be a good choice. Depends which you want more, how long your willing to wait, and what you want to pay.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
No one has idea if Z supports 2500 and/or 2600 Mhz for LTE?
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks

Claro Brazil	Brazil	2600Mhz Band	7

Sky Brazil	Brazil	2600Mhz Band	38

Z supports band 7 but not band 38. It will work on Claro LTE network and not on Sky.

http://developer.sonymobile.com/products/phones/specification/xperiaz/
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
I was thinking, "Fantastic! They've managed to fit a 5 inch screen onto a phone smaller than the Samsung Galaxy S3 (with it's 4.8 inch screen). Great" But then, double checking the measuresments (quoted), I spotted that the measurements of the Samsung Galaxy S3 are smaller. So how can that be true?? It doesn't make sense?!? :confused: It would suggest that it's obvious why the Sony Xperia V has a 5 inch screen: because it would be bigger than the Samsung Galaxy S3. From what I've heard, the Samsung Galaxy S3 can potentially be difficult to hold (be too big) when making a call. And this was what I was afraid of (I didn't want to be forced away from the Sony Xperia Z back to going for the Sony Xperia V). So is it true, based on the measurements?? :confused: Many thanks for helping ;)
[Xperia Z General] KP_:
@nightwing369,

I don't think anyone suggested the Z is smaller than the SGS3. It's the ZL that's a bit smaller:

ZL: 131.6 x 69.3 x 9.8 mm (5.18 x 2.73 x 0.39 in)

SGS3: 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6 mm (5.38 x 2.78 x 0.34 in)

Z: 139 x 71 x 7.9 mm (5.47 x 2.80 x 0.31 in)

(shamelessly copied from gsmarena)

As you can see, the Z is a bit taller than the SGS3, but the ZL is smaller (if a bit chubbier :D)

Edit: haven't paid attention and just saw the dimensions were already in your post. Yes, the SGS is a tad large but if you can handle a phone of it's size, the extra 2.4 mm tall Xperia Z shouldn't give you any troubles. Personally i could live with the Z, but the ZL is a more attractive device for me (being a fan of symmetric and small bezels)
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Would've clicked thanks but it wouldn't let me. Okay, I see you're right. So the Sony Xperia Z will be only slightly bigger than the Samsung Galaxy S3. I'm going to go into an o2 store on Thursday and ask to hold the Samsung Galaxy S3 to see whether or not that's too big/too inconvenient. If it's not then I'll get the Sony Xperia Z! :D If it is, then I might get the Sony Xperia V - as spida_singh said, whichever I decide should be a good choice as the specs on the Sony Xperia V are still very good (it's just that Sony have announced the Sony Xperia Z: an even better spec'ed phone). Thanks for all your help guys!
[Xperia Z General] Gregz78:
Size comparison with iPhone5, Note 2, Nexus 4

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feature-hands-sony-xperia-z
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
P.S. I see from GSMarena that it's display has shatter proof and scratch-resistant glass. But does the Sony Xperia Z have this "Dragon-tail" glass I've heard of? Also, I think I read somewhere that it has some sort of shatter-proof foil coating or something - is this correct? Also, with it being an all glass exterior phone like the LG Nexus 4, if it is dropped will it scratch/shatter? (Don't say that's a silly question - surely it would sustain some form of damage) The Sony Xperia ZL apparently has a traditional rubber/plastic back to it (which is like my current Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 mini pro, which has been dropped a few times - it's still going strong). Is the all-glass exterior of the Sony Xperia Z something to be worried about as regards varying degrees of hot and cold potentially cracking it?
[Xperia Z General] bsamardzhiev:
Do you know will CM will support this phone? My point is that this phone is coming with snapdragon and should be no problem?
[Xperia Z General] Gregz78:
Still no sign of what-ever glass (Gorilla or DragonTrail)

On the French sony mobile web site, they talk about anti-shatter film to protect

"Le verre trempé robuste à l’avant et à l’arrière est bien plus solide que le verre classique. Et avec le film anti-bris à l’avant et à l’arrière, le Xperia Z est loin d’être fragile."

"The durable tempered glass on front and back is a lot stronger than conventional glass. And with anti-shatter film on the front and back, Xperia Z is anything but fragile"
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
The shatter-proof sheet is basically a very thick screenprotector Sony puts on all their high-end displays. It's very nearly invisible but it does absorb some shocks. The glass behind it is hardenend so it won't scratch easily.

I think you have nothing to worry about. It'll be just as hard to crack the back of the Z than it will be to crack the front of any current Xperia (and that isn't simple). If it is confirmed and the glass front and really are Dragontrail it'll take ages to crack it :)
[Xperia Z General] funkyblue04:
I want to see real life battery tests. Can it last a full day with heavy usage?

Still unhappy it is not being released with 4.2.

I cannot get a Nexus 4 so considering the Z. Hopefully they continue with decent CM support.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
I just noticed that the Xperia Z will be offered in the USA as its being displayed on their US website. However, unlike the ZL, the Z doesn't support at&t or T-Mobile 3G or LTE frequencies so what's the point? Or is that a typo?
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
They have the exact same modem hardware so they could in theory support the same network types (and I think they do in reality). If Sony is limiting the Z by firmware you might not be able to use it on AT&T's LTE - HSPA will work fine.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
I hope so. But, the frequencies between the Z and ZL are so different that I doubt it's a typo.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
But why would they offer two different phones with different frequencies? The ZL supports all kinds of 3G and LTE frequencies but the Z doesn't. It's very odd that they would do that.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
For whoever was asking about the air gap on the Sony Xperia Z:

"We’ve eliminated a layer of air and brought the display closer to the lens, for added touch sensitivity and a smaller size. This construction, along with a new component layout and skeleton frame allows for a slimness of 7.9 mm."

Source: http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/products/phones/xperia-z/features/#tabs
[Xperia Z General] Funk2641:
The Z supports ATT's 3G, just only on the 850 band. Still weird though.
[Xperia Z General] babymatteo:
I actually find the 850 band being better for indoors than the 1900mhz.
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
I am deeply disappointed with all this. Really.

The preorder price in Poland is 2800 pln - almost 700Euro.

That's f... sick, all of their previous handsets were on 500Euro price range.

Z has no camera button, has idiotic glass back which is much more breakable, and

it looks like a copy ofthe iPhone (the back).

Has totally annoying flaps for all holes incl. headphones.

And ZL which is basically a dream phone by Sony, will be released in "selected" markets.

It's another time I feel that there is always some kind of idiot there, sitting in the directors board.

Why are they so dumb??!!
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
How do you know which area uses what frequency? It's a hit and miss deal with only the 850 Mhz
[Xperia Z General] Knight77:
Any idea about the price in Europe? I mean euro, not pounds....

Inviato dal mio Nexus 7 con Tapatalk 2
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Anyone have any idea on the price in £ GBP please?
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
700 Euro or more. Sick!

In Poland in official store 700 Euro, preorder.

Regular price is a bit higher.
[Xperia Z General] Galaxen:
Swedish site has posted a recommended price of 750€/613£ (6500SEK) :eek: Water & dustproof costs a bit it seems!!
[Xperia Z General] Funk2641:
Beats me, but there are maps available. Also....I think the modem is the same as well, so flashing the ZL's modem could work on the Z.

You'd need a ZL first, though
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
:eek: well the price is sick. does V cost more than T?
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
I just pre-ordered mine in Belgium. €629. The Xperia S and T were €499 at release, I think it's quite reasonable. The Xperia Z is a flagship on a whole new level and at this moment simply the best phone available with specs no other phone even comes close to.

If this were Apple they'd be charging €750+. Heck, Samsung still asks €629/€599 for the S3 16GB, which at this point is vastly inferior to the Xperia Z.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Both phones use Dragontail glass.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ ion
[Xperia Z General] smardu:
I'm curious about the problems...like T peeling off

Anyway 5" is too much for me.
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
Does anyone know where on the ZL is the location of the IR blaster? I've been looking through press photos and I haven't found it.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Yet pocket now is stating its still 2400mAh for the Z. Just like before with the ion and XS different info from different places. I'm just going by what I saw from Sony documentation. Sucks they lowered it. Would have been ince to have the 2400mAh.

I don't know which one I prefer more. I live the look of the front and back glass on the Z but there is something about the ZL that pulls me towards it. Love the fact it has the IR remote. I actually really liked the ZL in white.

I don't care about the covered ports that much on the Z because I have a bluetooth headset and don't really need to plug the phone in till I charge it at night.

I know both are coming to the US and was thinking maybe there will be slight radio changes for the Z in the US to make it more compatible.

EDIT: just like I thought: http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/01/0...r-confirms-lte-c6603-and-hspa-c6602-versions/

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ ion

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Would make sense for it to be at the very top.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ ion
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
full review of Xperia Z.

Its not that big compared to SG3. Its just the corners actually @1:34

and the dude says SG3 has a better screen :l he compares it near the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSaPrWOzB7A
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Well that is a very bad review too. My guess is the test images were quite low resolution, which forces the Xperia Z to do some upscaling. In addition to that you're really not supposed to compare a Z on full brightess with an S3, it's a completely different display type. If you're overblowing the brightness on the Z you're basically totally ruining the contrast and thus the perceived sharpness. These tests need to be done at a metered identical brightness level to be accurate.
[Xperia Z General] Gregz78:
If the GS3 screen is as saturated as the Note II is, i frankly prefer the Sony.

I manipulate some of my DSLR pictures in JPG (for the web) when i'm in public transportation and i was so deceived by the Note 2 screen. Resulting photos were finally washed out on the net (without the saturation of the smartphone's screen).... I sold it for that
[Xperia Z General] Kussie:
Usually when waterproofing a device, it's not a really a good idea to expose the circuitry to water, they don't mix well :P
[Xperia Z General] evo9mrjr:
If the flaps bother u then take them off ;)
[Xperia Z General] HYPER-X10:
If you have a bluetooth headset (I highly recommend wireless headset pro ) and consider the fact that the Z has pogo pins for charging on a dock, it's likely that you would hardly ever need to open any of the flaps.

I'm wondering if a dock might be bundled with the Z?
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Nope, but the DK26 looks nice and will probably be pretty cheap:

http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/charging-dock-dk26/

And don't forget Sony's MTP-over-WiFi to basically use USB without a cable :)
[Xperia Z General] anishs:
The white papers confirm that the Xperia Z sans USA LTE bands has 2330 mAh battery. The ZL will probably have the higher capacity battery like indicated already.

Your still gonna have some tradeoffs, looks like T-Mobile will get the Xperia Z (Sony Style will probably release an unlocked version too right?) and if AT&T decided then they will get the Xperia ZL (Since they require all new phones to have LTE).

So if you get the Z would you be willing to live without LTE (AT&T on HSPA only) I know for a fact I need LTE now its just been too long. Maybe its the smaller bezel that attracts you? :p the IR Blaster is definitely a cool addition.

I'll have to see these phones in person to decide the colour and model for sure to be honest.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Wait a minute. I thought both the Z and the ZL had LTE 4G?!? :S I'm also sure I read on the previous page/in a previous post here earlier today that the Z is coming to the UK for definite and will work on the UK's LTE 4G bands, right??
[Xperia Z General] anishs:
Sorry I confused you, there are two versions of the Xperia Z HSPA+ NA Version & The LTE Europe/Asia Version. Then there is the ZL which works on North American LTE and HSPA (except AWS HSPA I think).

So in total there are "three new phones" the C6602, C6603 and the C6650? Hopefully the ZL's white papers will provide all the final information.
[Xperia Z General] Kussie:
From what i have understood the Z should work on most (If not all) LTE networks. However the ZL is designed mostly for the specific LTE networks in the US.

I know when it comes to Australia the ZL LTE won't work down here, but the LTE on the Z will.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
For most. Brazil isn't included, and that's why we will get ZL (or ZQ as it will be called here). I'm dissapointed, because that goes away from the promise that Z was meant to be the first world wide LTE phone. Unless 2,5 Ghz is included in Z.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
It's still up in the air whether an unlocked Z will be sold in the US or not or be a carrier exclusive. AT&T isn't picking up either device.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ ion
[Xperia Z General] RCJ89:
Note 2 has very washed out camera on indoors with lighting be it on the bus or train or in your house as long as there is light in the back ground the images get washed out one of the reasons why I sold the s3 tbh. Note 2 is quite a boring phone tbh I only got it because of the battery life and quite frankly battery life on xperia T and loudspeaker, audio volume and earpeice volume were too low for my liking and that slow auto focus at times drove me nuts here is hoping the z has none of these issues and it will so be my next phone. Note 2 will then become gaming device.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
The Sony Mobile U.S. website has them both up as coming soon. What's going on? :confused:
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
They are both coming soon. Z though "might" be later than ZL depending on carrier negotiations.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ ion
[Xperia Z General] -DM-:
so from what I understand there is no LTE for C6603 on ATT since it doesn't have the 4 and 17 bands that ATT uses, but HSPA+ on ATT for C6602 since all the required frequencies are there...so still 4g speeds for the latest

This gonna be a pain to find the right phone ;)

let see what the rumors for the 2nd half of the year bring...so far sounds pretty interesting and hopefully an all in one phone
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Yep looks like for AT&T people its either water resistant HSPA+ only Z or the LTE enabled ZL.....tough decision. Even without LTE for AT&T the Z is still an attractive phone. Sony's second half device is going to be one to watch for definitely. Can't wait to hear more about it.
[Xperia Z General] -DM-:
I never understood their logic with those small differences from handset to handset, they always make it more difficult for you to purchase one...here in the US, barely no carriers pick them up (I do like to buy them unlocked anyway) then you have to hunt one down online and make sure that frequencies more or less match...it's really not marketing friendly

But they do make stunning looking phones...the Z is a great example but looks like it's gonna be a pain to get again