yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Atrix 4G General] againareku:
AT&T has added notation to my account that as soon as my past due bill is paid and the Xperia TL comes out I be given an upgrade exception [waived fee and full discount even though I have a year left on contract]

That is good enough for me, by then the moto update campaign should have SOME results.

also TL doesn't look bad, smaller than the Ion with a bigger screen, a decent 13 megapixel camera, and dedicated walkman mode.

I will still use my atrix, but it should make a nice back up device and maybe I can use it as a dedicated music player [if the codec is good]
[Atrix 4G General] canerpense:
Update My Moto - Turkish

I'm supporting Update My Moto campaing by translating the website into Turkish.

There are tons of pissed Atrix owners in Turkey and we want the ICS or JB update for the phones! Most of us bought the phones nearly a month ago! (Bc of huge price drops)

http://www.updatemymoto.com/
[Atrix 4G General] :
"If we didn't make the hard call here, we would be in trouble going forward," he [Punit Soni] said. -- CNet reports in OP link.

Simply unbelievable, when I read it I held my head between my hands for someone admitting Motorola Mobility had to screw the loyal customers to survive. Read about Motorola Mobility and you would realise they have been doing this since 2010 starting with Motorola Cliq. Whatever Mr Soni said was Mumbo Jumbo and made absolutely no sense from both business and project management prospect because same approach obviously didn't work in 2010. I'm right out going to call you a fool for assuming you can fool thousands of readers.

The only commitment I have to Motorola Mobility now is a life time of telling potential customers about your business practices in the most honest way.
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
#supportmymoto IRC chat to discuss issues and tactics regarding both campaigns

BTW
[Atrix 4G General] lightlord:
It is covered in Time magazine under the Tech section with the title.

" Will the Android Upgrade Mess Ever Get Fixed?" By McCracken
[Atrix 4G General] D-r-e-a-m-e-r:
Here is the direct link to the story mentioned by lightlord

techland.time.com/2012/10/06/will-the-android-upgrade-mess-ever-get-fixed/
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Thanks man :)

I actually like them at the bottom. Any specific reason to get them at the upper right corner?

Thanks! :)

Thanks!

Thanks man! :)

Gonna be there today ;)

And awesome about the XDA TV! But i still think we should get a post at XDA's front page.

I actually did not liked his article :/

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Sorry for the lack of updates, guys. Had some problems this weekend, so i was kinda away from the internet. Anyway... we got featured at Gemcast, a great technology podcast from Brazil: http://www.gemind.com.br/13479/gemcast-049-novos-smartphones-no-brasil-e-a-polemica-da-campus-party/ :)

Gonna update the campaign today, with the translated files you guys have been sending me this weekend. I'm also taking a look at my economic situation, but i think i may be able to pay for some advertisement in some big websites :)
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
Probably for better visibility/accessibility.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
I will see what i can do :)
[Atrix 4G General] Smallville CK:
Lg Optimus Dual got a leak! It's outdated, but it's a leak!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1926700
[Atrix 4G General] Deggy:
This MIGHT be new thread worthy.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Agreed. Smallville, can you take a look around to see if anyone already posted this, and if not, post it, please?
[Atrix 4G General] Smallville CK:
Post it where? As a new thread?
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Yes :)
[Atrix 4G General] Smallville CK:
Will it be really usefull? I don't know what I have to write on first page eheheheh xD

Can you do it? ;)
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
I will see with Loki if it's usefull for us once he logs on IRC, and if it's, i will post with credits to you then :)
[Atrix 4G General] ticiano_arraes:
The optimus dual have the exact same cpu as ours, right? Well, good news probably
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Have Th3Bill already looking into it.
[Atrix 4G General] ticiano_arraes:
This is a 2.6 kernel, it works with ics right?
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
Any kernel can work with ICS if done right and if it has all the required drivers.
[Atrix 4G General] M_K_:
I think it's like this now:

atm we have the 2.6 kernel and the drivers for the 3.x kernel. If this leak has working drivers for the 2.6 kernel we might be able to use them with our phones.

but i am NO expert so don't get to excited, but I think this is how it is :p
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
That could be. Because thats an outdated leak, it might have some experimental drivers or something, because that its from before nVidia posted the drivers on their Development Zone.
[Atrix 4G General] esmeraldino76:
At the bottom is fine too. :)
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
Whatever happened with all those translations? It's been many days and I see none of them... :dunno:
[Atrix 4G General] anupash:
It might be useful because of the kernel version. Fingers crossed for a dev to have a deeper look at it. Nonetheless some hope at last.
[Atrix 4G General] HeroUser96:
totally agree. it would be really frustrating if there would never be a Chance for me to unlock the bootloader.
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
Petition signature update:

Support My Moto 552

Bootloader unlock 12,793

Software update 755

We need more. Got to spread the word.

What does everyone think about having a Twitter campaign this weekend to trend Update My Moto and Support My Moto?

I think we can do it.
[Atrix 4G General] eddhard:
What about signing petitions under sudonim as well?
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
I had some clients those last days, so i'm kinda away. I will see if i can work on it today. Lot's of people have been sending me the translations :)
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
I posted this over in my thread but the same can be done for Update My Moto as well

Task of the day: Go to Google and search support my moto with no quotations.

Enjoy!!!
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
Epinter says he has an ICS leak.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1928569
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
Yep. Let's se what comes out of that. I have high hopes. :)
[Atrix 4G General] ticiano_arraes:
Now I'm so excited!
[Atrix 4G General] eddhard:
I've just seen azrienochs latest xda TV. Not what I was expecting but he's not wrong. Check it out.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
That just made my day. I wonder if we should go all "we win" and update the campaign's website with this info?
[Atrix 4G General] :
I have just watch it too. Nothing about Motorola that I didn't known before but I was a bit confused about some of the points he was making. Boycotting is good but not talking about it? Many people have said weren't going to buy another phone from Motorola but then he said it was only words of promise, suggesting it is kind of useless. In internet age that would have far more negative impact to Motorola than just stop buying without telling about it to anyone. Then he mentioned about Gandhi boycotting the British in which in real world he had to campaign to let everyone to know and asking everyone to spread the words, what basically most of us has been doing with Motorola.

Everything else was said was very true about Motorola.
[Atrix 4G General] rthomas10:
patiently waiting

I already have my sg3 but I still have my atrix. Now that there is a possibility of ICS for Atrix I'm thrilled. Thanks for the find whoever found it. I'm not allowed to post in the other thread. Anxiously awaiting a stable build.

Thanks to all involved and if there is anything a simple user can do let me know.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
UPDATE

Hello guys,

Since we got a ICS leak, and o strongly believe Update My Moto and Support My Moto have something to do with it, i have to ask you all something: do we keep going, or stop the campaign here? My idea is to update the Update My Moto page with a "We got a leak" kind of message, and then after some seconds, redirect it to Support My Moto.

Here is why: our goal with this campaign was to get Motorola's attention and a leak. With the CNET article, it's clear we got Motorola's attention, and as you all know, we have a leak now. But Support My Moto have a more legal goal... while Moto did release the leak we asked, they still did not updated the Atrix 4G and many other phones. They still gives a **** about they customers, they still only cares about they faces in public.

So what do you guys think? We go on the "We got a leak" way and redirect the campaign's page to Support My Moto's one?
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Just to make things clear I fully back your guys decision either way

There's a big difference between saying and doing and that's what he was referring to. I know many people that swore off everything Samsung that purchased the GSII or GSIII when it came out. There are a number of folks that have sworn of Moto but will jump on the Moto for Moto credit when it rolls out.

As far as boycotting, spreading the word is part of that process but it has two sides to it. There are folks that will get Motorola stuck in their head and when the go to look at phones Motorola will be on their mind as an option whether they want it there or not. It's what campaigns for and against anything a crapshoot. Now I can say that those outside the US are more likely to not purchase Moto than those in the US provided they have the same selection of phones.
[Atrix 4G General] TheOnePom:
I'm all for the redirect. Just because there has been a leak it doesn't mean that Motorola should get off the hook for locked bootloaders and pulling the plug on update schedules, publicly available schedules that swayed some people towards a Motorola product.
[Atrix 4G General] Diamonback:
I support redirect too! We got to keep it going i suppose
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
+1 for redirect.
[Atrix 4G General] goxon:
me too
[Atrix 4G General] jhonnyx:
+1 for redirect, if we achieved just a leak, the main goal is not too far away, lets keep rowing!
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
It's time for Motorola to learn that it costs a company more to get a new customer than to retain your loyal base.

Also Rule #2 - If devs aren't happy, then NOBODY is happy...
[Atrix 4G General] jmgamer12:
Revolting positively

Stick it to the man.....who is owned by Google.
[Atrix 4G General] esmeraldino76:
I think it may be a little too soon to celebrate or back off.

And as far as I know, other phones didn't get any leak yet and their users are helping us.

I vote to mantain the sites as they are and also to do some efforts on the weekend to try some trend topics.

Let's see how far the leak can get us to.
[Atrix 4G General] TheOnePom:
Good point, I don't know why but I assumed the Atrix leak would / could help the other phones too. I guess I didn't really give it enough thought.

I'd say leave it as is then until we know there are good leaks for the others too.
[Atrix 4G General] againareku:
I still think this campaign needs to get even stronger

Proof is this rom works for the most part

they couldn't finish it? Just a few minutes of tweaking and I am getting better stability

In the end I feel it is all greed, they know the Atrix, an almost two year old phone that is $100-$180 on the secondary market makes their flagship phones look absolutely horrible

and with ICS, it is unbeatable.

they owe us this rom finished, without all the logging/testing stuff and the full app suite and motorola features
[Atrix 4G General] jisse44:
+1
[Atrix 4G General] Grimcreaper:
I am going to be writing a very well thought out complaint with the BBB in the morning. I purchased the phone entirely based on the fact it was promised to get ICS. This is false advertising as is the CEO saying all phones from 2011+ would get ICS or the 100$ credit and then bluntly tell us "Oh sorry, only Verizon gets that now. We lied." I payed full retail price for this phone and as a customer who made the purchase based on information publicly available through there website, I feel horribly, and intentionally, misinformed.

I will also be calling CS every day to complain. I dont care if it takes months, I will be heard.
[Atrix 4G General] :
Thank you. I guess I'm still not use to the human behaviour where they say one thing and do another because I don't. I totally agree with his point which is "Just Do It" basically.
[Atrix 4G General] esmeraldino76:
I'm not a developer, but I think it's possible too. But until we have that confirmed with the leak we have, I think we should mantain the campaign.

Update: Already hearing about porting to Photon. Let's hope it works.
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Coming from Mars ALL humans confuse me but war doesn't and business is a form of war.

As far as the leak being ported or a daily it will be tough. The leak better serves the AOSP/AOKP/CM/CNA guys as there's much needed drivers. There's a lot of hidden gems in the leak. It looks like somebody just zipped their project folder and passed it along.
[Atrix 4G General] againareku:
I still think Moto needs to follow through on this

they fix the reboots and add the icons back in for some of the moto features and the rom is finished.
[Atrix 4G General] ToyMaXin3:
good job and idea!!

i signed this!!!

:D
[Atrix 4G General] culdbbi:
got 4.0.4

Downloaded and installed ics update on att yesterday. Anyone else do a manual check for software update.
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
leak or OTA? Wait! What phone?
[Atrix 4G General] Atr1x:
Better not be another troll.
[Atrix 4G General] Fishmoose:
Atrix 2 probably. I checked his previous posts.
[Atrix 4G General] muhski:
I still dont get it what Moto is doing...

Cant be that hard to make it run on the Atrix. And there is no argument about "only if it makes the phone better bla bla bla..."

I also have a Xperia Go. Similar hardware, but bullsh*t display. But why can Sony develope ICS for this device, but Moto fails for a much better (but older) device...

Sad sad sad... I'm glad this forum exists and keep my Atrix up2date! I love the MiUI! Best Rom I ever had =) (even though its off-topic here, hehe)
[Atrix 4G General] DannyBiker:
Another way to rant, by going after Google, the real responsible of the debacle as well as these terrible update models :

www.dontbuymotorola.com​
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
I think that there might be someone opposing to the development of ICS on the Atrix. Look what happened to epinter's thread about the leak. Something seems reaally fishy here.

I don't agree with your point of view. Microsoft did this exact same thing recently. Windows Phone 8 won't run on any Windows Phone 7 or 7.5 handset. They are planning on a small update for them, but nothing big. So i will stay with Android.
[Atrix 4G General] jisse44:
Most stupid Website I've seen since a long time :silly::p:eek:
[Atrix 4G General] DannyBiker:
2 things :

- In 10 days, WP7 will be 2 years old and we know that WP7 phones will get a final update to match the WP8 experience. So that's more than a 2 years support. Name one Android phone that had that much official support.

- We know that Google pulled the plug from the update and even though we know that Motorola is a terrible manufacturer when it comes to updates, it's Google that said no, that screwed us. So saying "I won't buy Motorola" is not enough.

I'm not talking about the quality of WP7 & Android here but the terrible job Google has done through the years with the updates. The 18 months guaranteed support was a lie, we know that now. Things have to change and Google doesn't care if we don't buy Motorola but go with Samsung or HTC or Sony : they are making money anyway. And they really think we should buy a new device every 6 months. Heck, Android 4.2 is about to be released and most manufacturers are still updating to ICS...if that's not failure, what is it ?

I'm just being opportunist and try to hurt Google (in a very minimal way of course) by promoting an upcoming and promising opponent. I just don't like to be treated like **** as a costumer.

Once Windows Phone 8 is released, I'll add Blackberry and Apple.
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
Tell that to the users who bought a Nokia Lumia 900, which was released on May this year, and its already using a discontinued OS.

Kind of agree with you, but i still like Android, and don't feel comfortable using WP, iOS or BBOS. I like the BB Playbook though.

Failure is to develop an OS, and then just say "Hey guys, we just figured that the core of this OS is not good at all, so we just decided that we will remake the whole thing. Oh, and almost forgot to tell you guys that if you are using a phone running the old OS, it will not run the new. See the bright side, you can always buy a new phone :D. Kthxbai".

That's my .02 cents on WP8.
[Atrix 4G General] Lugaidster:
As opposed to not even getting one minor update with Android while promising it? I'd rather have an upfront answer. At least Microsoft at no point in time was dishonest about it. They said no WP8 on old devices, period. If you bought a new phone in May, you'd do it knowing that no WP8 would come. Still, all the old phones would get to at least 7.8. No WP8, but no fragmented mess. Either WP8 or WP7.8 after a few months.

Not saying anything about the quality of the OS, but Microsoft is providing more support than google ever has, that at least is a fact. No opinion there. That doesn't mean that I'm going to buy a WP8 device or try to get people to leave Android, but you have to admit that versioning is a real pain with Android.

Cheers
[Atrix 4G General] DannyBiker:
You make it sounds like this. The same happens with Android but Google just uses other reasons...
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
Did this campaign die? There are no updates to the site, the languages submitted are still not added, the redirect to supportmymoto.com has not been set up... :confused:

So either the campaign is over, or there is some serious lack of commitment here... :(
[Atrix 4G General] AnotherBill:
The big difference between Android and Windows or iOS, if you'll forgive my over simplifying is not that MS or Apple offers better support but rather they force hardware manufacturers to develop the hardware platform for their OS while Android allows the hardware manufacturer to create proprietary hardware systems for every release that requires very specific modifications to the OS in order to run properly. This was Motorola's biggest failure. Too many different platforms.

This is about the clearest definition of fragmentation I can give and is the root of Google's grief with device makers. For evidence of their wish to eliminate this just look at the Nexus devices. Pure google.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
The campaign isn't dead, i'm just super duper mega busy on the last few days. Lots of clients and i'm getting ready for a big open source event where i'm gonna give a speech in a few days.

I will see if i can add the redirect tomorrow and get back on tracks, but i can't promise anything.
[Atrix 4G General] DannyBiker:
Exactly my point and the point of my page. Beyond the OS themselves (which you might like or not), Microsoft is providing better support. Sure there's far less fragmentation. But Google could still adress the issue, try to find a real solution (not that 18 months crap that was never a reality) with manufacturers.

We tried asking nicely. I think it's time to make them loose clients because of it. It's the only way they'll react...
[Atrix 4G General] Lugaidster:
Sorry, I was merely stating a fact. I have, nor want, any association with Windows Phone. It's a stupid attempt at a mobile OS. It has all the cons of iOS and none of the pros and it shares none of the benefits of Android. I have no interest in supporting Microsoft's business tactics. If I was in the mood of making a statement about Android's current state of fragmentation I'd rather not buy anything than supporting other companies that don't share my values.

Cheers
[Atrix 4G General] thehope:
Anyone got a response from motorola after the first cookie cutter response?
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
More fuel fo the fire.

Electrify Stock Gingerbread vs Jelly Bean!

Webtop3.0 is the most expensive launcher ever!
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
http://www.updatemymoto.com/

This website is offline

Well that's just great. This campaign is slowly going down the drain... :(

Guess Loki was right, it should have been hosted on his server.

EDIT: Maybe it's just me, but I have a distinct feeling of very low dedication from the original campaign author (Julian). The campaign is falling apart right before our eyes, he says he's super busy and has no time for it, and yet he has plenty of time to play with all kinds of ROMs and whatnot. Very sad and disappointing. There is really no point to a campaign when the required updates take weeks to implement (we need translations to be able to spread it further, people have sent in translations but nothing has been done yet) and even the original author has abandoned it. (I'm sorry, but when this has such a low priority for him, it's as good as if he's abandoned it.)
[Atrix 4G General] TheOnePom:
If Julian doesn't have the time to keep this up to date then I can change the NS servers to point elsewhere but I don't have the time to put much effort in to the campaign unfortunately (new baby due any day), otherwise I would host it myself.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
I had problems with my data center. Fixed.

We got what the campaign was here for: a leak that helps both the Atrix and the Photon. We decided to redirect the campaign to Loki's one, to continue it. The idea was pretty simple: we won this battle, but the war isn't over. Loki's campaign continue the war, but the battle we was fighting, is over and we won.

I'm sorry if i can't be up all the time, but as i said, i'm very busy. I'm giving one speech and one keynote at a big open source event at Brazil (Latinoware), so i'm getting prepared. I also have clients and other projects to take care of, so as soon as we won this battle, i focused on that, since well... i have mouths to feed, you know.

Anyway, the data center problem is fixed and the campaign is redirecting to Loki's one, like we agreed. I'm sorry if it felt like i wasn't dedicated enough, but sadly, i put all my time and effort to get the media's attention, got it and when we won, i decided to take care of my personal life too.

As for the roms i have been testing, i'm starting to learn how to dev so i can help a bit more the community, that is why i'm testing those leak roms.
[Atrix 4G General] Manoboy:
There is some official response from Motorola about the ICS for Atrix?
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
Well, last one is that we are not getting the update.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
No. But we did got a leak, and that was what we was asking for, so...
[Atrix 4G General] affiatic:
I sent them another email requesting unlock. I know it wont help but i have been having an issue with scrolling on browser while charging so i threw the bootloader requrst on too. These ics and jellybean builds are getting pretty stable from what i have read. My problem remains locked bootloader on my replacement atrix. I try to be hopeful that this will get resolved but have also been looking at different phones
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Like I said before, I will continue the Support My Moto campaign. This is now no longer a "Where's my update" issue but a larger security concern. As per the recent cnet article regarding the FBI's security warning, it stated that "Google is aware of this and new features on its latest Android mobile OS -- Jelly Bean 4.1 -- aim to beef up the system's security over past OS iterations." This now puts folks, not eligible for a subsidized phone, in a position where they will need to pay over $500 to get a new phone with JB or leave Android all together simply because Motorola refused to update our devices.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Yup. That is why updatemymoto.com is redirecting to supportmymoto.com now. Like i told you on IRC, our goal was reached, but yours isn't... our battle is over, but the war isn't :)
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Sorry for me not making our conversation known. My mistake.