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[Galaxy Note II General] E90 Commie:
I would say that Paranoid Android is absolutely perfect for the Note. S-Pen can be handled through different applications like GNote, Memo etc. The ability to run applications in tablet mode is such an enhancement of the device that I don´t see any single feature with the Note II that somehow "compensates".

I can agree that pure CM10 isn´t the most interesting thing on the Note II since it has the phone UI but Paranoid Android is a completely different matter.

Since PA relies on CM, it is very important to get it for the N7100 in order to get going.

Windowed applications is very nice but also a feature I guess will be implemented in either AOSP or CM in the future. Don´t forget Overskreen and FloatNote etc.
[Galaxy Note II General] jbounours:
I thought at first porting CM10 would be easy in it's current state due to shared hardware with S3. I would understand if they dropped future exynos but this is an existing thing already with minor differences.

I would donate too if we can see a new maintainer taking on the device. Would be a shame not having CM on the device. It brings so much stuff for what it is and also other devs bringing their extra tweaks on top of it. A wonderful ecosystem I wanna to see and follow on xda and my device =(
[Galaxy Note II General] ipguy:
Let's be honest here for just one moment, the Samsung S apps and the stylus are gimmicks that will be used once when the note is purchased then abandoned. I've owned the original note and now the note 2 and I never once pickup up the stylus for anything

What's more valuable is a fast, smooth and reliable OS

Just my opinion of course.
[Galaxy Note II General] erick161:
To you, but to many others (the majority of people) what Samsung is doing with features is why they are making the purchase. Honestly its mainly because of the new features as to why I'm going to upgade. I'll still have my OG note running PA CM10, which I love.
[Galaxy Note II General] ipguy:
Let agree to disagree then!
[Galaxy Note II General] Entropy512:
There's a difference between challenging, and utterly freaking impossible.

Challenging: Going through source and fixing bugs or adding new features. For example, for months I've wanted to try and rework the Exynos suspend/resume code to be more power efficient. (It locks cpufreq at 800 MHz and disables cpuidle for the entire suspend/resume cycle, which eats power. Also SOME interrupt service handler eats huge amounts of CPU on resume (the root cause of the classic Gingerbread "Android OS" bugs), and I'd like to figure out which one and see if it can be optimized.

Utterly freaking impossible: On a routine basis, figuring out what Samsung broke in their blobs and why it doesn't work the way it should. Trying to take totally broken nonfunctional source code and get it to work properly with zero documentation. See hwcomposer - unless a miracle happens, we will be continually stuck fighting blobs that Samsung gave us. Their blobs have some sort of significant magic not present in any reference source. The reference source creates a broken piece of **** that's almost indistinguishable from not having any hwc at all.

I've spent 10-20 hours or more per week of my spare time over the past three weeks fighting hwcomposer and making absolutely zero progress. I'm tired of flailing against a brick wall and getting nothing other than bloody knuckles.

No, porting CM10 won't be easy due to shared hardware with the S3. Have you noticed no Exynos device has M builds? Have you noticed that Exynos devices are almost always one of the last "flagship-class" devices to receive nightlies?

CM9 should never have been marked stable on Exynos devices - too many bugs remain and we lowered our standards for "stable" too much.

CM10 on Exynos is incredibly far from reaching M builds let alone a stable release and I don't think we have the manpower, motivation, or energy to take it to to the finish line, let alone the documentation needed to do so.

And what about CM11? The whole mess will just start all over again, if any maintainers are left on Exynos by then. Again, we'll be flailing against undocumented crap that didn't even quite work right with the Android version it was designed for, while those working on platforms that have proper documentation and reference source (OMAP and Qualcomm) will start moving ahead immediately. See JB on Qcoms - They took only a month or two to get ahead of where Exynos4 devices are NOW, 4-5 months after JB went live, and over half of the work those guys were doing was forward-merging CM customizations from CM9.
[Galaxy Note II General] ithehappy:
Then I wonder why did you buy Note at first place! IMO it's that S-Pen which makes this Note series special than other flagships like S series, and in Note II it has just gotten better.

And about your 2nd paragraph, say whatever, but kindly exclude the word 'reliable' from that list.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Galaxy Note II General] ipguy:
I purchased the note for the screen size mainly.

Isn't a reliable OS important?
[Galaxy Note II General] ithehappy:
To me a reliable OS is all that matters. But you didn't get the point what I've tried to say.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Galaxy Note II General] Entropy512:
That's the primary reason I got my Note. Even if it didn't have a stylus I would've bought it for the screen.

Also, there are now plenty of pen apps that use the standard Android stylus APIs, so the Samsung-specific stuff is irrelevant at this point. For example, PS Touch works just fine on the Note 10.1 in AOSP. So does Quill, Papyrus, Memo Beta, LectureNotes, and a number of other apps.

The only thing beyond that which is missing are stylus gestures, and that's primarily an issue of manpower. I would've forward ported and cleaned up masiullah's pen gestures patches a month or two ago if there weren't a pile of other massively broken things unrelated to stylus.
[Galaxy Note II General] -viperboy-:
Interesting post to read. I had no idea how tough it was, thanks for the info on it.

I think CM is cool and all, but as someone said, there are plenty of software things going on in the GN2 that you would loose by switching to CM.
[Galaxy Note II General] ipguy:
I got your point, but if you can to repeat it please do.
[Galaxy Note II General] ipguy:
In your opinion how do we fix this issue with Samsung and exynos? Are they open to discussing the problem?

So if I wanted a nice big 5 inch screen with awesome CM support, which phone would you recommend I purchased?

Which would you buy and from which manufacturer?

Now or into the future?
[Galaxy Note II General] ipguy:
God man this is so depressing, I feel like a made a bad purchasing discussion.. Though I love my note 2, it's just a simply awesome phone, aside from the Samsung mess of an OS.

I'm now lost and dismayed

Edit, can we get your feedback re http://androidcommunity.com/android...unner-new-google-now-and-play-store-20121005/
[Galaxy Note II General] ceo.mtcl:
Man you write pretty big posts! It was worth reading it though.

Well, the take away for me here is that I was all set for buying this phone and now I'm all confused. Probably I'll wait for the next nexus to drop. Only time will tell.

☞ sent from GS3 or Nexus
[Galaxy Note II General] gaurav2009:
OK I have a suggestion,maybe we make a petition to Samsung where all the exynos holders sign and we should see what Samsung should do,this idea somehow worked on galaxy s.so what you all say?
[Galaxy Note II General] raduque:
I'm with erick. I'm always typing notes on my GS2. It'll be so nice to be able to just pull out the stylus, jot down a quick note and then put it away. Plus hover mode, if you can get dev support on board, will be awesome for gaming.
[Galaxy Note II General] adampa1006:
To entropy, thanks for letting us know whats been going on. Developers have been so good I can't imagine how we can repay them. I've at least donated to a few for some beer money lol. For instance even on a washed up pass over device like my Droid Bionic (damn RAZR came out so soon after it) , there is still active development. For instance I'm using a CM10 JB ROM now! I'm sure if I can get over clocking, custom kernels, and using OS versions 2 ahead in my phone that if will happen for the much more prominent N2
[Galaxy Note II General] foxmeister:
Indeed.

Long, informative, posts = Good.

However,

Short, less informative, posts quoting long, informative, posts in their entirety = Bad!

;)

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note II General] DubelBoom:
Same here! Almost bought the note 2, but now I'm waiting for the new nexus (or nexuses)

F**k you Samsung!
[Galaxy Note II General] Tuffcheez:
Hmm, think I'll hold back from buying too. I'll give it a few months to see what develops.
[Galaxy Note II General] ianbbaa:
Samsung is putting more and more features into their phones, some of those features are uselles for some, they grab CM builds. But when people they use Samsung+CM, later reveal that this function is available in their phone, but it does not work as CM team doesnt care about MHL,DirectShare, Btooth issues etc....then people start complain.

Maybe that is the main point why samsung ignores the support to CM. I used CM on some devices and even CM/PA (stable build) was the first rom into Note1, was very happy and stock Spen apps could easily replace - untill i wanted to use more and more features of Note - allshare, wifi direct, proper bugless Btooth connection in my car, and once - when i was at my customer, taking memos with Spen+3rd party app - i got FC and lost all memos, i just went back to stock and never ever got any FC with Spen app, even 3rd party, btooth in my car works better as it should do, etc etc...

There are CM fanboys that care maybe for Benchmark numbers, but stability and to use all functions of what the device is designed for - prefer more and more people.

I like CM, but i want to have all features that NOTE offers me, but a lot CM devs have ignoring posts into wifi direct, allshare, MHL (not only for SAMSUNG devices - my previous SonyE got never working HDMI output on CM build even i like to hook the phone into monitor through HDMI) - even CM build was super smooth and stable, better than stock.

And then, first Jelly Bean went out, ok guys, here you have latest build, and we stop CM9 (although HDMI, and other stuff does not work...) and we start again CM10..and again the same carousel, early build, mem leak all over, hardware half functioning - people complain that sony, samsung are crappy deivces...again next build of android will come, Cm stops the development of CM10 - 90% functional - and here you go, CM11 early builds....

I like CM, but Note1 is the first device where i use stock rom, and i must give true, that Note with stock rom is superdevice - and it is not with CM rom.

CM team made great work, i dont want that this sounds like rude, but is Samsung maybe not happy that you (CM) cut some of the features?

I know, it is hard to tell, to claim you that HDMI and other stuff does not work, but you got sources, drivers, stock rom just to make all thing working - Samsung, Sony may see it like you degrade their device.
[Galaxy Note II General] x.Orville.x:
damm i just want to buy the note 2 but reading this will hold me off to the next nexus
[Galaxy Note II General] -viperboy-:
Lol, that last part is humorous. Samsung doesn't give a crap what people are doing with custom ROMs. If they did, trust me, they would issue a cease and desist.
[Galaxy Note II General] Ariozo:
I use "roms" on most my devices, but on just Note i really like it "stock" or a rom that is build from stock base but with some tweaks. Just so you get all things you buy the note for. :)

Skickat från min GT-N7100 via Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Note II General] avetny:
listen not you it will be another one
[Galaxy Note II General] na7q:
i agree, the screen size and a valuable, fast, smooth and reliable OS is best. whether it's CM or PA. they would both be GREAT on the Note II. most definitely better than stock. while stock has many features for the stylus and other random things. it's not for every user. like myself, i think they would be fun for a while but i prefer CM, PA or some other variant of CM.
[Galaxy Note II General] ianbbaa:
I dont think so when it comes to such a device like NOTE/NOTE2 - these are Samsungs "unique" features that CM will (dont want to) match.

I believe that samsung wants that people USE their products - maybe apple closed school? So not to support CM, is like "close" the source so people do not use custom roms (or at least use stock based). iPhonners use it like it is, and they are happy, samsung, maybe, wants that users discover features that are stock, that work, NFC, burst shot, etc etc....How many posts are there that flagship S3 is crap because this and that doesnt work on CM rom, note1/2, etc etc...

example - tablet NOTE 10,1 - who tF would like to have CM on that device??? 99% people buy it because it has its features in it. So why to loose time with support of such device? One head free for another device maybe to help out on HDMI working!

Samsung has also its own bad steps - ICS release for NOTE (no deepsleep, etc etc...) but at least they react if not in a day, then in week, month...and people still complain about bad support. (on the other side CM base is happy what they have, even daily restarts because of memory leaks, no FM, broken camera, etc etc...

CM do not care much into any extra feature. So i quess, CM should go its way to focus only on devices where they can WORK complete, with FM radio, Wifi tether, btooth etc etc....uncomplete builds do not make a good reputation for CM for the future when they want to make a "serious" product.

How i see it - Note 2 should be definitelly left out of the CM (when samsung do not care, you dont as well) - time will show if CM is a valuable product on other devices (not only nexus), so people easily switch to devices that can run CM. If this will cause huge cut on samsungs sales, then their bad....

cut the base for CM devices and try to make a final complete official rom for particular device - who the hell needs nightlies...

peace :)

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I dont like stock look of the NOTE - first day a hold NOTE, i went to PA - i like PA, used PA CM9 based almost half year, i could also live with this and that bug....but once i tried stock ICS just to see....made some dpi changes, use nova as i used on CM, and i realized that stock ICS is stable and RELIABLE.
[Galaxy Note II General] f3w1n:
Totaly agreed

- f3w1n -
[Galaxy Note II General] Entropy512:
they're rumors... plain and simple. Not going to bother with rumors.

Didn't work for galaxy S, didn't work for galaxy S2.

Bunch of bull**** here.

Wifi direct is supported in CM9/10 - when it doesn't work, guess what - it's because Samsung keeps breaking their ****ing drivers and firmware blobs with undocumented changes.

MHL would be supported in CM9/10 if Samsung didn't break everything. Their HDMI/FIMC blobs aren't even remotely compatible with the Insignal reference source. You know what happens if you try to use the Insignal HDMI support with Samsung's blobs? THE WHOLE GRAPHICS SUBSYSTEM CRASHES.

We don't have sources, we don't have drivers - we have a bunch of hacked-up blobs with broken undocumented interfaces.

Also, CM9 was 100% functional on many devices before CM10 started. Same thing will be the case for CM11. Samsung Exynos devices always lag behind because they are so difficult to support.

CM lacking features on Samsung devices isn't by our choice - it is Samsung's fault. They always break interfaces so that their blobs don't work properly with AOSP, resulting in features that SHOULD work being totally broken.

DLNA (allshare) works fine on CM9/10 with third-party FREE apps. Skifta blows Allshare out of the water. Allshare completely fails to play EVERY video file on my file server, even ones that should work fine (MP4 container with AVC video/AAC audio) - Skifta + MX plays nearly everything.
[Galaxy Note II General] ianbbaa:
Ok, i know that there are phones 100% working, but no of my sonys had hdmi working, feature because i bought it, evo 3d - when i do not count 3d functionality, there was no usable build that time i had it.... Some older devices was fine and i was happy user. Now on note1, cm9 is good, usable and i believe you what you wrote. So i believe you are good coder so is everybody involved in CM project, but maybe focus on quality and not quantity - when there is no support from samm, just cut them out and put your power somewhere else....or have some more free time, life is short - wont be longer with samsungs support to you. :)

I really miss the option to move cursor forw/back when typing by volume buttons on stock. One of the daily feature i liked on cm...
[Galaxy Note II General] Entropy512:
That's pretty much it. For MHL, we've occasionally taken a stab at it. We rapidly reached the "I want to throw this phone at the wall" stage.

hmm I could've sworn someone implemented that in CM... I know I saw a patch for it on gerrit.

Might be in ICS but not JB? May need to be configured?

Yup it's there on CM10... Settings->Language and Input->Volume Key Cursor Control
[Galaxy Note II General] ipguy:
Samsung has released the Linux kernel source code, and other open-source bits, for the recently-launched international version of its Galaxy Note 2 handset (model number GT-N7100). These files won't be of any use to regular Note 2 owners, but they may help out custom ROM developers looking to dev...

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-releases-galaxy-note-2-open-source-bits
[Galaxy Note II General] ipguy:
Head over and leave a constructive comment, please be respectful and professional

www.sammobile.com/2012/10/08/samsung-released-source-code-note-ii-n-7100/#comment-9108
[Galaxy Note II General] Entropy512:
Kernel source is the one thing we already have, while it is an important component, it is not what developers are looking for.

We're looking for Samsung to do more than the bare minimum here. Kernel source is the bare minumum Samsung is required to provide... Hell they don't even properly do that any more. Note 10.1 was never provided with working source that matched shipped kernels for the device.
[Galaxy Note II General] Entropy512:
Pointless... Sammobile is NOT SAMSUNG. In fact, Samsung wishes Sammobile didn't exist.
[Galaxy Note II General] hirent:
I believe I have learned more from your (few) posts in this thread than from months of prior reading.

Very insightful, thanks!

Currently I have a Motorola Photon, which has been yanked from the list of ICS devices by Moto. Being really pi$$ed off at Moto, a lot of Photon & Atrix owners are swearing off buying their devices in the near future.

The Note II is on the radar of so many frustrated Moto owners (and on mine). However, your posts have provided valuable insight into the problems/mess due to Samsung.

I may or may not root and/or install custom ROMs, but to not have the option due to lack of support from the manufacturer does give me pause. It appears too much like the 'walled garden'.

The problem is, Samsung has kept growing and has had increasing sales despite their lack of support for outside development. As long as they keep selling more and more devices, they have no incentive to comply with or listen to anyone at all.

I hope HTC, LG, Sony etc. flood the market with 5" devices, thus giving buyers other options.

We'd vote with our wallets!
[Galaxy Note II General] ipguy:
Can we please post our requests on Samsung's Google + page... every little bit helps

https://plus.google.com/u/1/+SamsungMobile/posts
[Galaxy Note II General] sahilarora2003:
Done. :D
[Galaxy Note II General] DJsCrIBbLe:
Isnt the uk note2 s4 and us exynos. ..
[Galaxy Note II General] barondebxl:
Plus 10000 billion. Nothing against CM developers at all, in fact I have the utmost respect for their work but I never really been a fan. And like you said removing all the awesome touchwiz features of this phone is like stripping superman's powers away from him.

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I dont think its fair to say that, they are not obligated to do anything. I understand where u coming from if u a CM fan but its their choice.
[Galaxy Note II General] stoney73:
Please use google before you post again. Both variants are exynos based.
[Galaxy Note II General] gmaellex01:
Seriously, though, this seems like a legit problem. One should be able to preserve touchwiz/note2 features while creating custom roms. The Note II is a beautiful piece of hardware but if developers can't code for it then that's a serious problem. My og htc Incredible would be worthless if it wasn't for developers. I still really want a Note II but this issue has me really worried.
[Galaxy Note II General] barondebxl:
There are other things other than cyanogen mod. Things like roms, kernels, mods ect......
[Galaxy Note II General] -viperboy-:
Don't expect anything, especially if Entropy has already reached out to Samsung contacts and gotten nowhere, but I just contacted the OSS division (open source part of samsung) and hope to hear back from them soon. Worth a shot and is a better direction to go than a social media attack.
[Galaxy Note II General] cybot_x1024:
Before reading this thread I couldn't see anything wrong with the Note II. Everything about it seems perfect. Now i have a clear idea of the ugly side of owning this device.

In my opinion this problem came up because Samsung has no direct competition on the same segment that this device is in. With HTC going out of its way to piss off its fans samsung has nothing to fear and just be lazy. There is no pressure from the competition so they could simply ignore everything else.

Im now not sure I want to spend so much on this device, given how much AOSP support it will have.
[Galaxy Note II General] gabster21:
I don't get the fascination with having CM running on your phone, some people go as far as saying it would be a "deal-breaker" if they couldn't run CM when it doesn't have nearly the amount of features that Touchwiz has. Don't like the look and feel of it? Just install Nova/Apex and get the best of both worlds!

Things like multi-window, SD card slot, 11h screen times, gorgeous display, stylus support and many others have convinced me to go for the Galaxy Note 2 over the next Nexus whose only advantage is the priveledge to yell "first!" when a new version of Android is out.
[Galaxy Note II General] ipguy:
I agree with most of what you said expect for the part about touchwiz, multi window, and stylus... all of which are gimmicks.

Its a well known fact that a phone running CM brings out the best in the hardware, with features one actually uses, features that are not features for the sake of adding another check box in your settings panel
[Galaxy Note II General] erick161:
I don't understand how you say they are gimmicks? How do you know those arent daily used features for some? Multi window is hardly a gimmick. I've actually used cornerstone on my HP TP and it allowed me to run 3 apps simultaneously. It was awesome and I used it frequently. I was thinking how awesome it would be if that was to be implemented on our note...and bam, Samsung announced it on the Note2.

So really, its not commonly known CM has features most use. Most of the time its a decent trade off for most devices, like my atrix. 4G. What made that awesome was the fingerprint scanner. Eventually that was included in CM. The issue with the Note 2 is there are so many features or "gimmicks" that CM will never add. Its not just one or two, its a plethora. They are what makes the note 2 simply...the most featured packed, innovative version of any android handset to date IMO.

Now if you are simply buying the note 2 for screen real estate and hardware, more power to you. Many of us are buying the Note 2 for exactly what it is.