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[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
You should have been at the Android BBQ and sat in on Adam Outler's presentation on exploits. Android has some serious issues that needs to be addressed. He and I talked in great length the day before and after his presentation about this. In order to fix it there are some things that could be done but it would either kill open development or if you want roms and such your only option would be "developer edition" phones like the Nexus line because almost everything we devs do is exploit based.
[Atrix 4G General] :
I was thinking our voices are not being heard in where it matters. How about to start a new thread for each new phone Motorola releases in respective Forum letting the potential users to know about Motorola? Of course in the manner not to break XDA rules and regulations. Please change the following as one would see fit.

Dear Potential User,

You see this thread because as members of XDA community and former Motorola owners we had been let down by Motorola. The same company you are thinking to make a purchase from. We believe efforts such as this what makes a community stronger in the benefit of its members. This is entirely up to you to understand about the provided information before making a purchase decision.

During the ownership of our phones (i.e., Atrix, Atrix 4G, Photon) Motorola not only failed to provide fixes and security updates but also failed to deliver Android OS upgrade in spite of making a promise more than one occasions. We strongly believe nothing has changed in how Motorola see its customers (and never will) since they started Razr line. The only way Motorola would properly support a product is when the sale figures were in millions in each region in the world. We doubt that Motorola is capable of reaching that kind of figures whilst manufactures like Samsung, LG, HTC, and Chinese manufactures are in existence.

We wish you a pleasant experience with your phone regardless it is from Motorola or not. Thank you for your time reading this short post.

Best regards

Former Motorola Phone Owners
[Atrix 4G General] matriX1218:
Agreed... Still needs some more highlighted lines with link to our campaign threads as well as some list of petitions and other information.
[Atrix 4G General] ehrickwilliam:
I think that Motorola is not really caring about it, unfortunately I do not think back ago, even more now with leaks
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
There's a thin line between promotion and spam, and while we might take care to not go against any forum rules, I'm afraid this suggestion still borders with spam.

I don't know what's the official XDA position on this or if they're willing to support the cause officially, but maybe we could ask mods/admins/whoever to open a global forum-wide announcement or something similar instead.
[Atrix 4G General] attrixnor:
and now the atrix will be in the end of life , due to new google nexus 4 price .

personnaly , i'm actually search for an android phone , but with the leak's problems ... i doubt and perhaps go to a nexus.

i will prepfer the atrix size and sd card slot ... but if the possibility to have a full working kernel with ics or jb don"t exisst ...

xda dev ; any news about xoom or Lg kernel port ? is it in construction or not start ?
[Atrix 4G General] :
I did have my concerns about it and that is why I discussed about it first. I'm not saying the idea should be filed now. Thanks for your inputs though.
[Atrix 4G General] DannyBiker:
I was thinking to move away from Android for a while and the ICS cancellation just confirmed that I'm going WP8 : www.dontbuymotorola.com
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
Not enough to make me move from Android. Instead of leaving Android, im thinking in getting a Nexus device on december, and get all the updates. :good:
[Atrix 4G General] joeygee23:
Least I could do...

Its the only thing all these great devs have asked for!
[Atrix 4G General] Android03:
I feel so let down by Motorola. Atrix 4G is an amazing phone and has a lot of potential. Webtop is a wonderful idea and one of the reasons I purchased the phone... they just failed to recognize that.

I am hitting them hard on social networks any time i can. Whenever the post something on Twitter I post stuff like "bla bla bla... I own an Atrix 4G and I'm stuck with GB... boooo" :D

I am just glad we have such wonderful devs in here... THANK YOU!
[Atrix 4G General] Ally_june:
will moto give update to our Atrix 4G now？:confused:

The campaign has last for a time now！
[Atrix 4G General] Maringer:
We just need to send Motorola some succinct messages. How about something like this?

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Dear Motorola,

As you can't be bothered to support your customers for even 18 months, please release the unfinished source code for the Atrix ICS which you gave up on a couple of months back. This would then allow the amateur devs of the Atrix enthusiast community to create a better Jelly bean ROM (in their spare time) than you could ever manage.

I realise that this might prove a little embarrassing for your company, but don't worry, we couldn't possibly think less of you so no real harm would be done.

Regards,

Maringer

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[Atrix 4G General] Maringer:
I think you perhaps missed the sarcasm.
[Atrix 4G General] Android03:
I will post this on my twitter account later today... some of you could do the same ;)
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
I am in contact with HTC and am awaiting a response to see if they will match Motorola's $100 trade in program. This is not a perfect solution as it may not cover all markets worldwide but I am still active on this campaign.
[Atrix 4G General] :
"The art of smishing (SMS-Phishing) has been practiced for some time, but a discovery by the wizards at NC State University has uncovered a new vulnerability that could bring the aforesaid act back into the spotlight. Xuxian Jiang's research team recently identified the hole and confirmed that it impacts Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean." - Engadget, http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/android-smishing-vulnerability-google-fix-patch-coming/

Requesting updates based on scientific facts but Motorola reasoning to deny updates was just based on corporate greed. I don't know how many times I have to prove Atrix on Gingerbread has many security issues that needs to be patched plus the fixes for MotoBlur apps and services.
[Atrix 4G General] tribesman:
Change.org campaign

when i start to search about atrix and ics or jb update i found this information about not getting official update. and i started to think about why motorola xoom can get update but atrix cant, while continuing searching found a website about campaign organizer and somebody already created a campaign about motorola i dont know is it effective or not but as i saw that has already 1700+ person signed that campaign maybe its effective way to make motorola start to thinking about updates... here is link http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-update-my-phone

i will wrote about this in my country too so i thought we can make a huge step cause this phone is still on sale in Turkey and they even dont make an update its funny way to make a company looks like jerk
[Atrix 4G General] ToonShadow:
We can also try and get both pages on the XDA Portal/home page and hope that other people from other devices will lend us support.
[Atrix 4G General] Shrew:
The campaign has been featured on TalkAndroid!

http://www.talkandroid.com/135052-update-my-moto-campaign-android-4-0-tegra-2-ice-cream-sandwich/
[Atrix 4G General] stevendeb25:
Shared Facebook/ twitter good luck guys hope this works out for the whole atrix/photon community
[Atrix 4G General] daveee143:
I think The new management Done this thing, couse all we know that before the update motorola transition came... just thinking :o

Hope they DO what they promise!
[Atrix 4G General] Rhadamg:
One more!

http://androidspin.com/2012/10/05/update-my-moto/
[Atrix 4G General] trashbytes:
One more over here in Germany:

http://an-droid-tv.de/verargerte-motorola-kunden-starten-online-petition-fur-quellcode-freigabe/
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
Im glad to see that this is hitting the news! :D
[Atrix 4G General] Rhadamg:
Common guys! Let's make them hear us! We need to notify and ask the Android and Tecnology websites for support!

Send a email to a website or blog that you use to visit asking them to make some news about us! ;)
[Atrix 4G General] acaseyb:
This is a great idea!

But one thing: It would be great if you could also ask for an sbf file for those of us with the newer locked down bootloaders.

It would be incredibly frustrating to me if the devs got all the files they needed to put together a stable ics and I couldn't use it.
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
This movement is really starting to get noticed! If we can grow this thing a little more, there is a good chance main stream media will pick it up. Moto can't ignore us if that happens.

I hope everyone is taking the time to not only share, but sign the petitions and submit BBB and FTC complaints.

If you have cookies enabled on your browser, you can sign all three petitions in about 2 minutes. BBB and FTC complaints will take a little longer.

Petition Signatures:

supportmymoto 136

bootloader unlock 12,469

Software update 351

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have the software update than the unlocked bootloader! :)
[Atrix 4G General] ovitz:
One more from Poland:

http://geekon.com.pl/walka-o-atrixa-jeszcze-nie-zostala-zakonczona/
[Atrix 4G General] daveee143:
Hope they see those news...
[Atrix 4G General] Maxicud:
Shared on Facebook, from Argentina!

Enviado desde mi MB860 usando Tapatalk 2
[Atrix 4G General] e07015:
BBB Response

Here is the non answer I got from the BBB. Call Customer Advocate Anne below and express your concerns.

On October 05, 2012, the business provided the following information:

Contact Name and Title: Anne Arroyo

Contact Phone: 847-523-3351

Contact Email: cao@motorola.com

Motorola Mobility continues to review how each device can deliver the very best experience possible, and at times, this can mean making tough choices - especially as it relates to Android software upgrades. Today, we need to let you know about some tough choices related to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich upgrades. Specifically, ATRIX 4G, Photon 4G and Electrify will not receive the ICS upgrade, but continue to be supported with maintenance releases to ensure optimum performance for the consumer.

We are committed to being more transparent than ever on our software upgrade strategy - even when we're delivering news consumers may not want to hear. We are doing everything possible to continually improve our communication with you and make sure you are a satisfied customer. That's why we recently announced our $100 rebate program for owners of these and other devices launched in 2011 and beyond that won't get Android 4.1 Jelly Bean. This program starts in the U.S. this fall, and we are working to expand it to select regions around the world. Please watch for updates at motorola.com/tradeup.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
That is the same response myself and many others got.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
If everyone agree with it, i don't see why not :)

Thanks for reporting! Added to the websites list :)

Loved the idea! Could you or someone else makes this video, please? Sadly my mother language isn't english, so if i write all wrong... you can't imagine how bad i talk lol

That would be great. Can you guys click on Newsworthy Thread? on the main topic, please?

+1! ;)

True, BBB and FTC complaints are important too! That is the main focus of supportmymoto.com, iirc.

This is looking good guys! Let's keep it up and running! Thanks for everyone who shared and talked with webites owners too!
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Could you share it with us? :)

Awesome! Could you share the link, please?
[Atrix 4G General] Random Canadian:
I'm curious how MSI stocks are still on the rise after over a dozen websites post negative articles about Motorola and thousands if not tens of thousands of complaints are posted on social media sites.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Because they are doing what business owners usually do: giving a **** to the customers.
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Here ya go!
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Really cool video! :)
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
the developers list is starting to get pretty big as well with even more heavy hitters getting on board overnight. i think that if we get anything on the petition the tegra2 owners will be set.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
To be honest, i already think we are winning here. With you getting Motorola where it hurts (they pocket), and me getting them where they don't want to (public and social networks), i think they will release something soon or later.

Gonna try to contact them soon, just letting the campaign get a bit more viral.
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
I think we all need to have some patience. These campaigns are only a few days old. Motorola might not have even noticed yet (but they will). If I remember correctly, it took HTC users 3-4 weeks of pounding the social networks to get a positive response. We all just need to keep at it daily.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Agree. That is why i'm taking my time on the contact... once we go viral, i will try to talk with them. Right now, with 2 days up, we got about 2k daily visits according to Google Analytics. While it's great, it is still not enough.

We need to get on the 10k daily.
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
Big point there. We don't gain nothing if we start this, get on news and everything else, but after 8 days, people gets discouraged. We need to keep the people interesting on this or this will fail. :)
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
True. Could you guys click on the Newsworthy Thread? button on the first topic, please? That way we can get at XDA's front page, and it give us a big boost.

I also want to ask everyone to send e-mails to big websites, to see if they cover our campaign. Websites like Gizmodo, The Next Web, Android Police and so on.
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
Sure thing. I will be sending emails about this.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Thanks! :)
[Atrix 4G General] Rhadamg:
Guys, I'm thinking here.. What IF we could translate both sites "supportmymoto.com" and "updatemymoto.com" to our native languages? I mean, to go viral on the social networks, we need to envolve more and more people... To achieve this, we need to spread the word with our friends, family, neighbors... And perhaps many of them don't know English.

A lot of people ask me at Facebook what is going on with Motorola after the things that i've shared out there (again, a lot of them don't speak english as a native language).

So... what you guys think? I offer myself to translate both sites into Portuguese-BR.:)
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
I'm from Brazil myself, i guess it's possible :)
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
Sent an email to Android Central. Thats my favorite Android News blog. Lets hope they cover this. :D
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Thanks!
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
Great idea! You can count on me for spanish translation.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Great! Just send me the translated files guys, and i will find a way to do this :)

Send it to: julianfernandes [at] ubuntu [dot] com :)
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
With the coverage and saturation both campaigns are getting. I would like to suggest and expansion of the devices targeted by Update My Moto. Expanding it to cover the DROID X2, MB870, XT882, MT870 would pull in worldwide support. I'm already seeing Support My Moto petition signers from Asia, Europe and elsewhere.

There are a couple sides to this. This is going to be an effort that may stretch in to months (expanding targeted devices may minimize this). If those that are sharing are also filing complaints and signing the petition it carries more weight.

Even if it spreads to the corners to the earth and is then forgotten a couple weeks later by many, if the complaints were filed and petition signed. That cannot be ignored! The other thing to look at is the longer Motorola takes to work with the device owners the more money they loose as more folks simply switch to a Samsung, iPhones or other devices. There are also many that simply can't afford to pay $500+ to switch to a new phone (have to keep in mind a subsidized phone is more a U.S. thing).

EDIT:

Chinese (Mandarin) , Russian and Spanish should cover the bulk of Moto owners world wide.
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
Check this out!

http://m.cnet.com/news/android-users-outraged-over-motorolas-broken-promise/57526994
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
I will see about that. The idea was to start focused on a couple devices, two at first, and maybe later add more of them. We will see how this goes :)

Include me on that. I got my Atrix last month and still paid $400 for it... and i got a sweet deal. Normal Atrix goes for $700~800 here at Brazil.

Yeah, Casey just sent me an e-mail about it. Awesome, right? :D
[Atrix 4G General] Rhadamg:
Awesome! I'm curious about how this decision (ICS abandonment) will affect their value in stock exchange in the next months
[Atrix 4G General] Chimpdaddy:
Europeans are still officially on 2.3.4, more reason to be pizzed than anyone!!:crying: Talking of which i`ll email UK website `techradar`, they`ve ran similar stories before.

Great article!
[Atrix 4G General] Random Canadian:
It hasnt yet at all.

And with all this negative publicity if we dont see at least a small dip soon I cant see them giving a ****.

Option B is to keep up a 6 month or more campaign to drive sales of new phones down and hope for results.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Well, Update My Moto's website will be up until they give us what we are asking.
[Atrix 4G General] goxon:
if u need translation to serbian, croatian and similar languages, i can help
[Atrix 4G General] Random Canadian:
Thats the spirit. Im also battling Asus over a transformer prime screen that cracked on its own in front of my wifes eyes and they wont honor their warranty.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
If you can do it, it would be very helpful :)

E-mail it to julianfernandes [at] ubuntu [dot] com, please.

Like i said to some guys at Reddit, sitting and doing nothing won't help :)
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
UPDATE

Campaign's page updated with a Brazilian Portuguese version :)

ACCESS THE WEBSITE

If you can translate the campaign to another language, please send the translated text to julianfernandes [at] ubuntu [dot] com :)
[Atrix 4G General] BigJeff:
Our Tegra 2 is the AP20H board right? Well other than MOTO specific drivers like finger print reader/webtop shouldn't this help in making a full port with everything working like full acceleration and the like? http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9103_galaxy_r-3967.php It has the same board and has official ICS. Sorry if this is a repost, just trying to help the cause.
[Atrix 4G General] daveee143:
ME and my brother write to one of motorola customer service, and still waiting for their answer regarding this issue..
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Th3Bill is already pulling from the Samsung source. (chatting with him right now). Webtop isn't that big of an issue, it's a gutted early version of Ubuntu for Android. There's also ways to have a webtop like setup in the osh partition but it's not ready for us devs to release yet as I wouldn't even class it as an alpha. The fingerprint reader, I have a couple ideas but who really uses it anyways?
[Atrix 4G General] rrr:
Added to the cmapaign

It's time for MOTO to understand they cannot throw ... at customers

and keep business as usual

PS

Does this have to do with it?

http://www.leaderpost.com/business/...s+outside+take+390M+charge/7343352/story.html

Is Google saving money by killing Motorola Mobility???
[Atrix 4G General] M_K_:
just send you an email with translation to dutch
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
Repeat posts in xda is a big no no, and this thread is not about development.

This is probably not the best place to discuss real or perceived advances ICS/JB development. Moto may be watching.
[Atrix 4G General] GPhoenix:
We will need to start visiting and making our presence felt in the financial industry for it to start resonating. Another thing I want Moto to realize is these devices are not just objects but carry a lot of emotional ties since they are a part of our lives that feels inseparable as sad as it is, there is a lot of emotional investment involved not just from a monetary perspective.

In addition, they need to realize and see that they are not just risking losing an existing customer base that can just easily be replaced by buying new ones with cheap tactics and trade-in programs. Internationally they are no leader in popularity nor sales so they have a lot to gain if they can win over consumers like in China and India. If we can make an impact in extending our campaign to those areas to cause a disruption in their marketing and reputation, although it might not cause a boycott at least it will hurt their pocket books and may sway shareholders to force a hand.
[Atrix 4G General] Vazay:
Shared and translated to Russian
[Atrix 4G General] lale777:
Spanish translation

Hi, i send you the translation in spanish
[Atrix 4G General] :
Suggestion: Now that Motorola officially announced not supporting Webtop anymore I thought it would a good idea to let Motorola engineers to know we would be happy with the removal of Webtop from ICS and also agree that the ICS installation will require repartitioning therefore data loss is inevitable. The last point is very important from Motorola's point of view and could have been a deciding factor.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Awesome, thanks! :)

Will be up tonight, since I'm taking the day off today.

Thanks Vazay!

Hmm... did not got it, man. Could you send it again?

Epinter told me sometime ago we had the libs and everything, but needed a 3.x kernel to make all of this to work. Is that is? Also, there are a LOT of people who uses the fingerprint reader, myself included hehe :)

I think that is an important point to talk about when we talk with them... but we are letting the campaigns get bigger before we go talk with them.
[Atrix 4G General] lale777:
hello, I resend again

Like it attached to this message
[Atrix 4G General] daveee143:
Guys did you read it? This issue was featured in cnet. I think we need a little push.

Go! We can do it :)
[Atrix 4G General] esmeraldino76:
Julian,

I know nothing about web programming but is it possible to put those little flags in the upper right corner of the page to switch to each language people are making available to you?

Also, I`m another user of the fingerprinter reader and would like to keep this feature.
[Atrix 4G General] nerfman100:
If they were, wouldn't you think they would pay attention to us? :laugh:
[Atrix 4G General] trashbytes:
Translated to german. Email is sent.
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
I think they are. Lokifish's Moto account was disabled.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=32448337&postcount=98
[Atrix 4G General] thepastisboy:
Translated to french. Email sent
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
I'll let this speak for itself
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
When Moto made the announcement last month, they indirectly said it would not be for AT&T customers. The $100 credit only applies to the Droid Razr M, HD, and Maxx HD - which are only available on Verizon.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57506849-94/motorola-promises-jelly-bean-less-android-buyers-$100-credit/
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
I read that when it came out. If it is to be a Verizon only program than simply say so and change the information on the website. This goes back to companies being so completely disconnected with the consumers that they think that nobody will notice these things.
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
Totally agree. Corporate scumbaggery at it's finest.

Edit:

I just did a Google search for "motorola ics update", and the first result is the CNet article from yesterday!