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[Droid RAZR M General] phositadc:
It will be pretty hilarious if Motorola continues to suck with updates even though it's now owned by Google.

-Sent from my Razr i on AT&T.-
[Droid RAZR M General] jumphour:
I'm gonna have to talk my father into returning his, too. I get 4G reception fine on my Bionic, and his is only on 4G for a couple of minutes after a restart at best. That's just laying on the table, never mind picking it up. He doesn't seem to even care, but he paid for a 4G phone, so I have to convince him that he should be getting 4G if I am! It's a beautiful phone, but......
[Droid RAZR M General] W00fah:
I personally don't have any issues with 4G overall on my RAZR M. My room and whole house overall don't like any cell signal since the place is from the 50's. But when I'm outside its perfect. Maybe its a flub unit. Could try getting a replacement. Wouldn't hurt.
[Droid RAZR M General] mgerbasio:
There are a couple of threads about this in the Motorola forums. I'm really surprised about it as Motorola has more experience with radios than any other manufacturer.

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/5fb46833c0?page=3

As for the updates, I think this is more a Verizon than a Motorola issue. Verizon is even stalling Nexus updates directly from Google. Motorola continues to lose market share but it seems to me they're focusing on Verizon and not the cell phone market. Maybe that will start to change.
[Droid RAZR M General] hokieputter:
I have a large territory and regularly drive 1000+ miles in a week. Drove 1500+ miles last week, which was my first trip with the M. No issues with LTE signal whatsoever. Was actually rather impressed with how much LTE coverage Verizon has. First LTE phone for me. I noticed that going back and forth from LTE to 3G causes a momentary loss of data as the phone is switching between networks. Which makes sense, doesn't take long and is not an issue. But I'm not sure if it would drop your call or not. Never could confirm that was happening while on the phone.

The right hand "death grip" only affects the Wi-Fi signal. At least enough to see a difference in data speeds.
[Droid RAZR M General] jntdroid:
My personal opinion is that software tweaks can help it.

#1 - Most of the issues I've seen seem like the software simply giving up on 4G too quickly, not that the phone can't hold onto it "physically".

#2 - There do seem to be some attenuation issues, but it seems inconsistent depending on location / tower. So while software might not fix this, some tweaks to the algorithms could help.

#3 - The phone, while switching back to 3G at times where I didn't think it should, has never dropped data completely, and the transition between 3G/4G has been seamless and instant.

#4 - The Galaxy Nexus was acting VERY similar to this prior to 4.0.4. While 4.0.4's radios didn't resolve it 100%, it GREATLY improved the phone's ability to hold onto 4G. So software CAN help.

Maybe I'm just being idealistic (I hope not!), but given Moto's track record, I do believe software can improve this situation. Not 100%, but hopefully by a good margin.
[Droid RAZR M General] jimmydafish:
It takes quite a bit more power for a device (your Razr M) to hold on to a poor LTE signal than it does to switch to a stronger 3G signal. So if you want better battery life then you want your phone switching to 3G when it has a very poor LTE signal. I prefer my phone behave this way as 90% of the time I don't need my phone consumer power searching for and holding a signal when I'm not using my phone. Other manufacturers sacrifice battery life by pouring more juice in to the searching and holding of LTE signals.

Compare the battery life of your Razr M to the other devices mentioned and you will see a difference.

Its about perspectives, do you need to have LTE showing when its sitting around or do you want it when you need it?
[Droid RAZR M General] jntdroid:
I think you're exactly right, and mentioned that possibility in a post over on the Moto support forums. And honestly, if that's the case, great.

But for those of us in areas where LTE signals are strong, it shouldn't be switching, and even that is happening occasionally. I can understand if I go into a mall (just as a large "inside" example) and my Inc 4G is fighting the whole time just to keep that 4G/LTE in the notification bar - it's a waste of battery, and honestly the connection will probably struggle even when I do try and use it. So in that scenario, 3G would be better all the way around.

But if I'm at home, 150 yards from a tower, where LTE is extremely strong (even when I had the Thunderbolt upon it's initial release), I shouldn't pick up my phone and see 3G, and have to toggle AP mode just to get 4G back. That's happened to me a handful of times. It immediately grabs 4G with full bars and -70's on the dbm side, but doesn't seem to want to grab it back on its own.

If that's some sort of feature built into the software (i.e. inactivity > drop to 3G) then that's awesome. But the flipside isn't working quite right - where it should be switching back to 4G again.

edit: I have an Inc 4G alongside my M for comparison purposes... didn't know if I had mentioned that before in this thread or not! And for what it's worth, the battery life on both phones is extremely similar - not a noticeable difference anyway. And the Inc 4G has a 1700mah.
[Droid RAZR M General] afunyun:
Well I'm coming from a thunderbork so I'm definitely not a stranger to network issues. Confirming, it (the M) has no issues holding onto 3G, right? I don't even have 4G in my area yet so I am just praying this won't be another thunderbrick (which can't even switch from wifi to data without needing a toggle)
[Droid RAZR M General] jntdroid:
I've had no issues with data dropping, even when it switches, which has been nice. But I have great coverage, both 4g and 3g, in my area.
[Droid RAZR M General] mk1151:
I agree with the others who brought up the issue of battery conservation... but also remember, the RAZR M is one of the (physically) smallest LTE phones on the market. Antenna placement was tight, and it is very different from the Bionic, Photon Q, and RAZR. They cannot be compared to one another. If you look at the FCC records for the M vs the Bionic, HD, OG RAZR, etc you'll see the difference.

While I agree as well that LTE "stickiness" can be improved, I also believe it is a matter of strong signal coverage. I live in a Verizon LTE mecca, and I also have an AT&T LTE phone. In areas where I have LTE on one device, I have it on both. In areas where my AT&T device has NO signal, I drop down to 3G on the RAZR M.

All in all I am quite satisfied but as can be said with anything, there is room for improvement.

Honestly, before people go on a bender returning their phones, first, get a new SIM card. Second, turn off Smart Actions. Third, call Verizon and make sure there is in fact LTE coverage for your specific address (the coverage map means nothing). Fourth, you can ask Verizon for a signal study where a tech will come to your area and test the actual signal strength.

I can absolutely attest to the fact that when you are in a proper LTE zone, the RAZR M latches, and stays connected (even with one bar) quite well.
[Droid RAZR M General] jntdroid:
until you pick the phone up and hold it in your hand? :p

It is good most of the time (I'm also in a LTE mecca), but it's inconsistent when compared to other LTE devices, even my Gnex on the latest radios. I love the phone, but it's annoying when it acts that way.

And yes, I've done your suggestions, and then some (less the tech... but I live within 200 yards of a tower and have/had multiple devices to test against over a long enough period of time).

The S4 chipset was supposed to handle LTE/CDMA better and more efficiently, and so far the Incredible 4G is the only device I'm seeing actually live up to that.
[Droid RAZR M General] scottjb:
Why do you suggest turning off Smart Actions for 4G drops?
[Droid RAZR M General] mk1151:
Smart actions can effect how your phone uses radio power, and what processes run in the background. While I don't have any issues with Smart Actions running in the default setup, I've heard others indicate that it has impacted signal strength. It's really more of a troubleshooting step than a prescribed fix.
[Droid RAZR M General] mgerbasio:
I'm in NYC Metro and the 4G signal is good but I do notice my phone on 3G. I decided to use an app to see if I'd get a noticeable improvement in battery life if I keep 4G off. Just used my phone normally for a couple of days but the battery life was the same.
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] Mr.Wellington:
Ok...I want to update to ICS but idk what's wrong wit my Odin. I downloaded everything I needed when I first got the phone and I got it from....http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1591601

[HOWTO][TAR][BLAZE 4G] THE ODIN THREAD :: Return to stock, fix soft brick :: 4/9/12...now when I use to return to stock it worked perfectly. Now when I need it the most its not. When I click on PDA and go to the folder with the TAR file is located...its not there. Well..its there...just Odin doesn't pick up on it I guess. Anybody know what's going on?
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] jparnell8839:
Try this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32313738

Sent from my CM9 Blaze 4G
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] itsLYNDZ:
Kies asked for a code for a previous pc for me so that way didn't work. Can someone start a thread fore how to odin to stock ICS
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] jparnell8839:
It's been done several times. There's my thread on the link above and k0nanes

Sent from my CM9 Blaze 4G
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] Mr.Wellington:
I just downloaded the TAR and I read some of the comments and it kinda sounded like it kinda messed them up...now I'm scared lol
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] itsLYNDZ:
How can i get rid of the custom Binary thing? I also testing my charge with Skyrocket app and it says slow charge. Its taking forever to charge with ICS. Im thinking I need to Odin to stock again, but dont really know how. Plus I dont want to wait another hour and a half to update ICS thru Kies again. Can i just flash the ICS version thru Odin with the blaze pit? Im hoping that would fix the awful battery life im getting too.
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] Sleeps17:
I'm running rooted stock ICS just like you, and have custom binary as well. I think having custom is normal. Before upgrading to ICS, it was Samsung Official, though.
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] dwitherell:
It likely comes from the custom recovery.bin - i.e. CWM recovery. It'll go away if you flash/Odin a stock variant.
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] jparnell8839:
that's the only way I've been able to get rid of the custom binary thing. but I havent tried flashing stock ICS tar in odin. and yes you can, theres a link to the stock ICS tar somewhere
[Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G] itsLYNDZ:
I'm seeing that people are having problems flashing the ICS tar in odin so I'm weary of doing anything until there's a guide. And kies asked for a code so that wouldn't work
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] N33L:
Hey guys m new to xda

Nd wana bcm a membr in diz

Cn u jus gimme some of good tips

Pll!!!!:thumbup:

How shld i start???
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] alkesh95:
We have lots of noob friendly guides....read them....

Or go to general section> stickies> you will find one of it helpfull

Globally recognised and certified NOOB
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] N33L:
Lol

M nt a noob dude!!!

Jus wantd get mre knwlodge abt diz app!!!
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] alkesh95:
Yes you are check your previous thread....

And fyi everyone here is noob in some field

Globally recognised and certified NOOB
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] anasdcool71:
Yup. Everyone's a noob. Even i am. You'll find things here which you might not have even dreamt to see.
[Galaxy Y GT-S5360 and Duos 6102 Q&A, Help & Troubl] alkesh95:
For example

U getting banned for opening useless threads

Globally recognised and certified NOOB
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] davec26:
Just rooted the xperia u with the new ICS using flashtool :laugh:
​

Its time to play

For the sake of (some member here) its as simple as opening flashtool choose root tool from the menu then let it do its job and of course use restore trick when it prompts you ....you will need to also update busybox or it some apps wont see its rooted ...

Yes the pic is low res sorry but im using my phone so apology but the pic was just to show its rotatable

done

ADMIN PLEASE DELETE MOVED TO ANOTHER SECTION ...ALSO TO ADD I CANT BELIEVE HOW RUDE AND WELL IDIOTIC PEOPLE ARE HERE SOMETIMES TAKE TAKE TAKE FROM DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP AND GIVE HASSLE AND NONE HELPFULL REPLYS ...XDA USED TO BE SUCH AN AMAZING PLACE YEARS AGO ...WHAT HAPPENED ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] felipevsw:
This is development section... You can not post things like this here...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] air001:
Thanks for nothing!

There isn't any description, just a low res, ugly picture.

Does anybody can see anything in the picture?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] davec26:
Um why is that ???? its to go were ??? in what section:confused:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] davec26:
save the picture and zoom in of course :silly:

im uploading from my phone but hey at lease i bothered !!!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] felipevsw:
Read the forum rules before posting and you'll know it.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] davec26:
Why thanks for being so helpful ;) sigh:p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ydaud:
What is this? At least give us steps or details description.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] felipevsw:
Can't you be helpful to yourself?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] xperiavish:
Flashtool says error cleaning rootit files,mounting system r/w,fte error..any guesses..??
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ydaud:
bin4ry method should work better
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] dioggo92:
With this method http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1886460 phone gets all weird, the screen goes black and unusable... I flash this ftf http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1918920 and after the second reboot I installed the root..

Am I doing something wrong? COLOR="Silver"]

---------- Post added at 07:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:39 PM ----------

[/COLOR]I checked the debug mode, and all goes fine, only after it reboot that its get weird.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] 'cooleagle':
If only anyone could use the report button to notify us. :rolleyes:

Thread closed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Neo3D:
Why doesn't Google just add the best features of all these ROMs into native Android?

It's so stupid that people have to root their phones in order to get these features. I understand that maybe Google doesn't want Android to seem overly complex, but have a Customization area all in a submenu that you can unlock buy sliding Customizations to ON.

Things like this (in order of necessary > bloat):

Global volume rocker as cursor movement keys (hope this baby is patented so Apple doesn't steal it!)

% battery icon

Brightness slider toggle + AOKP toggles!!!!

Screenshot on Power Menu

Volume panel

Custom targets on lockscreen ring

Custom notification LED colors >> this would really make the hardware unique from Apple and it's really handy, esp when you're in meetings / theaters / church / or any quiet time; the different color assignments are really useful! Even vibrate is now disruptive in meetings.

Weather on lockscreen

Show notification count

Custom colors for Nav Bar

I don't think that's so much that it would overwhelm the average user. Whenever a family member or friend sees our phones, they want me to root theirs and make it the same.

Maybe someone at Google can get this message and we can see this in 4.2? They could release it as a "Android Power Toys" add-on type marketing the way Microsoft did with Windows?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] T-Keith:
I'm sure there are a number of reasons. First many of these things can be done with third party apps. Google mainly keeps to things that have to be built into the os, or related to Google services.

They have incorporated some features like additional lock screen targets, some toggles on tablets, resizable widgets, ect. It sounds like themes may be coming in 4.2 too.

Another thing I've noticed is while these features are great, they do slow things down a bit, so they may not be beneficial to everyone.

I'm fine with getting these features from other sources of they can put out things like project butter and Google now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Remoteconcern:
A lot of what you listed up there I would term bloat, lots of unnecessary options for features I don't want.

Toggles are the exception, I'd love to see a really nice AOSP toggle implementation. I think most normal users would like that too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordanishere:
Copywrite violations.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jjhiza:
I think an easy explanation may be, because the Nexus line is currently only two devices (including the N7). Nexus owners comprise a very small segment of the Android population, and Google develops the device with root users, ROM devs, and themers in mind...meaning, they know we're going to change our devices ourselves (which is part of the fun), so they may not find all of those changes necessary for the Nexus line.

As it pertains to Android in general, I think manufacturer skins (Touchwiz, Sense, Blur) would be the primary deterrent. Google would spend all that time, developing features, that manufacturers would either alter or delete entirely, meaning Google had wasted time and man-hours on developing those additions.

However, word on the street is that LG is getting the Nexus next, but that all manufacturers will also have the ability to make a Nexus device, provided they follow Google's guidelines. This means Nexus devices in the hands of more end users, and possibly, an increased impetus for Google to incorporate some of the features you mentioned. I think we'll see 4.2 and 5.0 implementing some massive changes to the system, in regards to customization and personalization. :)

Personally, I would like to see the launcher improved. There's no reason why Google couldn't spend a little more time, and create a customizable launcher, like Nova or Apex. That would be a massive improvement IMHO, and one that every user could benefit from. The current launcher is nice, but I know very few rooted users who actually prefer Launcher2 to either of the aforementioned launchers.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Deleted member 4177996:
I wonder if they are not included for the sake of simplifying the OS for the average user. It's a lot easier to get someone to just add a widget to add functionality than to explain to them how to enable weather on the lock screen or how to pick which pull-down toggles they want. A lot of those options are redundant because you can access them with widgets on the launcher.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jjhiza:
That makes sense, but honestly, how many Nexus owners do you know that fit into the "average user" category? I know 35 people who own a Nexus device, and only 3 of them aren't rooted. In general Android terms, you're probably 100% correct though...most "average users" would not know what to do with some of those changes, and many would consider them bloat. Geez, Google's even removed Maps from Gapps, because people thought it was bloatware, so they are sensitive to that issue.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Neo3D:
I agree, what prompted this post was the AOKP toggles, that's what people like the most when they see mine and my gf's phones.

Also, I agree that it's bloat. But, that's why they can release it in the Play Store as a "Power Toys for Android" add-on. It makes it easy for average users to get access to these features and they don't have to root and they don't have to play the milestone game waiting for a stable daily driver.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Neo3D:
The launcher is a great idea too. I forgot to mention that. However, Nova launcher is easy for the average user to install. You don't even need to be rooted. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jjhiza:
Very true, but most normal Android users simply run the out-of-the-box setup from day one, until the day they upgrade. If Google took the time to build a slightly better launcher, those of us who want extra customization (grid size, icon editing, etc) can have it, while those who run stock from day one, won't even notice the changes, because they'll never use them. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Neo3D:
Looks like Google might be one step ahead of us.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...oject-roadrunner-updated-google-play-and-now/

"Customization Center"?

That would be sweet if it were true and included some of these awesome ideas that custom ROM devs have come up with.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyco2008:
That's generally how it works, Google borrows from developers and OEMs' UIs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mach3.2:
What copyright? If i remembered correctly all custom ROMs are open sourced, which means copyright doesn't apply.

Do correct me if i'm wrong.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
This is it right here. Let the devs do the muscle and brain work and Google cherry picks what they think should be the next evolution of android.

The great thing about open source is that sharing is what it is all about. If you don't like sharing, then there are two other clubs to join. Both of which could be more awesome if they didn't take the mine all mine approach.

...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CaspaTheGhost:
Yep, all about the cherry picks.

Perfect example is SMS quick reply, I'd say that's a dead cert as the immediate reaction to JB notifications was fantastic but let me do even mooaaar!!!

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MikeyMike01:
They can't just slap every option in the world in. You'd have a bloated mess. (That's part of why skins are so bad... feature overload).

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
Most of those things can be do e from an app, maybe Google let's the door open to the free market and get devs to earn money making these addons.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
Besides, if Google took all the best features from our ROMs, nothing would hardly ever need updating in future versions.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Well I think its important to note that even if Google wanted to implement some of these features commonly found on custom ROMs that it'd take more than just one version of Android to bring them in.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Dri94:
Ahhh jjhiza. Havent seen one of your essays since the droid3 days aha
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dinjek:
I think that notification toggles are very useful and google do wrong, when don`t put them in stock firmware.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jjhiza:
Hahaha! I have a reputation to maintain here! :p

It's good to see you over here man!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mark manning:
I will say this. A lot of what you see in android started off here with devs. The swiping to clear a notification came from cm. Screen shots came from cm. There has been a few others as well. However to address your points directly the notification toggles started out in touch wiz and sense and not by aokp. I don't think Google wanted to step on OEMs' toes just yet. Same goes with weather, that started with apple sadly, so knowing them it is patented.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

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Also the more you add the harder it is going to be to update phones to use the new APIs.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rhed:
Did Google get to patent the Notification bar? :confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jeffreyjicha:
It's open source, so I don't think they can legally patent it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chrono_Tata:
Being open-sourced has nothing to do with patents. They could patent an invention and choose not to enforce it, especially not in the case where people are using their open-sourced software, but choose to enforce it if someone tries to use it in a competitor's product. They have already tried to patent gesture unlock, for example.