yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Asus Transformer TF700] keyhell:
I've finally managed to install the 2.3 version.

Honestly, it's not that smooth as some people told but it's anyway a little bit better than recent stock.
[Asus Transformer TF700] pietpodlood:
Okay I'm not sure, haven't tried CM10, might when it goes official. Just look at the OP and if your device has everything mentioned you should try it, but as always, make a backup first.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
If your not seeing MAJOR gains over stock I would try re-installing again. The I/O though put has increased exponentially.

Make sure you full wipe and and dont use that horrid TIB or similar.
[Asus Transformer TF700] guthrien:
It's far better than stock to me. I just burnt the battery out on mine, it's the most I've ever enjoyed the tablet, though I never thought the TF700 was as bad as you would believe from reading XDA. It seemed like the perception got even worse once the last mediocre Samsung tablet was out, I have no idea why. Now, this is as snappy as my Nexus 7 with all the goodies and fantastic screen.

To me the difference before was simply that you would have these moments of inexplicable lag, especially when using multitasking or when you engaged the Google Play store in any way. A lot of Android devices suffer from it that aren't on JB, but it was occasionally frustrating on such a big screen with good internals. Today, I had none of that. I was running all sorts of stuff, it was clean and slick like my S3, it was completely noticeable to me.

I guess for some people it would be subjective, but I wouldn't hesitate to unlock your device for this. I was going to just sit on JB for awhile I'm really glad I got shoved forward.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
Your experience mirrors many others. I think the last guy had a bad install or something?
[Asus Transformer TF700] hit173:
I am now a true believer holy **** lol. I took the plunge and unlocked and flashed clean rom 2.3 and look what i have now in standard and performance. And this is with force gpu on witch makes scores lower.
[Asus Transformer TF700] MisterEz:
I am desperate to get this ROM on my tablet - the Infinity is the first Android tablet that I've owned, & I've been distinctly underwhelmed with it since day one... seems like this ROM will give me the tablet I thought I was buying!

But, as a complete beginner at all this, I'm really apprehensive about doing this for the first time - I've read through this whole thread and been baffled with some of the jargon, so I'm hoping to spend my day getting everything sorted in my head so I can flash the ROM when I get home tonight.

I'm starting out from a completely stock Infinity - running the latest ASUS JB version, and with the tablet un-rooted and locked.

Can I check I'm on the right path - I unlock the tablet with the tool from the ASUS site, then follow the steps from Scott's 'How To' guide (using TWRP 2.3.1.0) from section 2 onwards...?

What about rooting the tablet? Do I need to do this first...?

(I did mention that I'm new to all this, right? :p)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
Man this sounds so much like me yesterday lol

As a beginner myself I was terrified to ask any questions.

There are some super folks on here that won't hesitate to help get you Rommedup...

I could post my experience if you'd like...I actually unlocked and downgraded to ICS

to regain root.

Sent from a tablet optimized by CleanROM 2.3
[Asus Transformer TF700] jodvova:
After you unlocked the tablet, just follow Scott's guide from section 2 onwards, i.e. flash CWM or TWRP and then CleanROM 2.3. That's all.

No need to flash root stuff to get CleanROM working.
[Asus Transformer TF700] MisterEz:
Thanks, both - I'm sure I'll have loads of questions when I get around to actually flashing later...

So if my tablet isn't rooted to begin with, I don't need to root first? I just unlock and then work through the process on the other thread?

Thats OK - you said you downgraded first to root... is that a necessary step, or something you just did anyway?

Would appreciate if you could post up how things went from you... that'd be cool!

Cheers for your help!
[Asus Transformer TF700] okantomi:
No, Scott found out that TWRP was fixed and all his scripts read fine.
[Asus Transformer TF700] huy_lonewolf:
I believe most of us (or people like me at least) are more concerned about I/O performance and Quadrant is a not a very good tool to measure it. Anandtech uses Androbench to measure NAND performance of the Nexus 7 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6), so can someone try Androbench? It is always good to compare raw performance.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
@MisterEz

Yes I did step back to ICS .30...

Probably the long way round because I had so much trouble figuring out how to flash a .blob.

After I got the tab rooted I installed GOO manager from the play store.

Used goo to install TWRP2 it was so easy.

Once TWRP is your custom recovery it's a matter of booting to twrp with volume down and the on button then up on the volume. After that if clr2.3 is on your external sdcard then select install choose options on the install let it run, set up the tablet and start smiling.

Sent from a tablet optimized by CleanROM 2.3
[Asus Transformer TF700] MisterEz:
Brilliant. Thanks mate... you make it sound so easy!
[Asus Transformer TF700] woodsonmh:
I install default launcher because its the only way I've figured out how to install Asus wallpaper. I install nova from roM toolbox backup. You could use any app backup you wanted. Nova settings that are backed by nova stays on disk. I've never had a Problem restoring nova. I also checked nova on install and then restored from nova disk backup.

Woody
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
I don't really use benchmark tools - the best benchmark (in my opinion) is user experience! I don't need a tool to tell me if something is running better/faster or not - I base my comments strictly off of what happens while actually using the device.

That is where CleanROM shines - everything just works and works perfectly! There is *zero* lag anywhere. Even when I have 10 or 15 apps downloading in the background, there is still no lag!

If you need to run a benchmark to see if something is running faster than before, then the difference isn't really noticeable, right?

Just saying...
[Asus Transformer TF700] Thats OK:
K heres Androbench scores.

Sent from a tablet optimized by CleanROM 2.3
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
No, I agree 100%! The ultimate benchmark is user experience!

But... I do think benchmarks help quantify that. I am not saying they are end all... but the help and they also help me when I am tuning the ROM to see what I need to work on.

People should see benchmarks as a tool rather than the ultimate end all answer.

Flash it and be amazed! :victory:

So is this good or bad? Excuse my stupidity but I never used that app before?
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
Has anyone with this tab used the Asus TF300T?
[Asus Transformer TF700] xdeslitx:
so you ended up not restarting the whole restore process?

because i ended up rebooting each time and starting over and it would hang at different spots.

i just went back to stock rom for now
[Asus Transformer TF700] Nebucatnetzer:
This is how I did it.

1. Restore all user apps.

2. Titanium hangs so I went into settings/apps/activ and selected TB

3. Force stop it.

4. Open TB and select the batch called "restore missing apps" now it restores it didn't before.

5. Reboot to be sure everything is back.

6. have fun
[Asus Transformer TF700] Mykew:
+1
[Asus Transformer TF700] Davest010:
I know that this may not be the place for this, but I followed these instructions and now I'm stuck at the Asus screen after installing the Asus update. When I try to boot to recovery, I get a red exclamation point. Thoughts?
[Asus Transformer TF700] phunky123:
Got one for the wife.
[Asus Transformer TF700] THunDA:
I had the same issue.. after restarting twice it restored all my apps. Other then that the rom is great !!

Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
[Asus Transformer TF700] quocamole:
Running your ROM on the nexus 7, tf300t and tf700t. I swear I'm not following you! Selling the tf300t soon... Maybe even the tf700t. What's up?
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
It will stit there for a LONG time... You should not have rebooted it... Ummm... Let me ask you this... I know its not the thread either but i will try to help...

Do the boot to bootloader, I want to say its vol - and power. Then select wipe data and then try to reboot.

Cool.....

Hahahahahaha Thats funny....

But you two check thi sout... Especially you quocamole, Do you know think that my TF300 CR 2.5 ROM is much faster than this ROM? Does this hardware not seem extreemly laggy to you? I swear my TF300 would blow this away in UI.

Oh and id you want to cut me a deal on the 300 for "Dev purposes" that would be cool. Liek dirt cheap so I can continue that series? Just throwin it out there!
[Asus Transformer TF700] lafester:
I've heard a few people comment that the tf300 is indeed faster then the tf700.

Hopefully we can get the new kernel tweaked out enough to compensate.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
No man, I think Asus screwed up on this.

The panel is too high a res for the graphics card. I have am worried its going to always be laggy.

My 300 would run rings around this. Im starting to be concered. I made some notable headway last night on optimzations but until I can get time off and look at kerne source, not much I can do.

However, I did flash the kernel I built from the 300 on to this and it DID make a notable improvment but still not a HUGE improvement...

Also, it could be just Asus Code. Look how long they had issues with this I/O problem. Maybe they will get the source figured out and and we can really start to zing with this thing...

But as it stands, I am starting to have buyers remorse.

I went and used a $200 N7 again today and it walked by this $500 flagship like it was standing still :(
[Asus Transformer TF700] Davest010:
I really appreciate you trying to help! I can't even get that far. When I reboot, hold power and volume down, then hit volume up to get to recovery, it gives me the dead android with the red exclamation point.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Just curious - what are you finding to be so "laggy"? I have Nexus 7 as well, but I don't see a big difference in performance... I think the TF700 is actually running really well with Jelly Bean, especially considering it's high resolution.

Ever since I installed Browser2RAM and enabled the "Enable CPU Upload Path" option under Settings->Debug in the stock browser, it's be an absolute delight to use (the stock browser) - it's extremely fast.

I also don't get any ANR's in JB at all - everything is running really well. Just curious where you are seeing the performance issues.

I'm running stock ROM (actually, I'm running your Odexed stock, rooted ROM - thank you!)...

Thanks for all of your hard work on the TF700 - you are doing an excellent job! :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] quocamole:
Imo, the 300 is smoother than the 700 and the nexus 7 is the smoothest. Speedwise, not a huge difference between the three. The nexus 7 overall feels the fastest though. The HD screen on the 700 is hard to let go.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Davest010:
Also...I let it sit for a couple hours before I rebooted it. It was already looping.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
Dont go to recovery. Once you hold Vol Down and Power you shoudl be presented with 4 options. Select the option that lets you wipe data. Do NOT boot into recovery. It wont help.

No man, You need to get someone with a TF300 running my ROM and its not even the same. Here is an example, root! When a program asks for root you grant it the transistion from root to regual app are not NEARLY as smooth.

Its most notable transistions and I/O through put.

After doing some research, this device is actually the SLOWEST of the 4 Asus devices.

Take alook here: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...hmark-11-modern-devices-compared-in-13-tests/

I can find your more links that show the short coming of the 700 but I should have done that before I purchased it :(

I hope that Asus can remedy the poor I/O.

Also, FPS is not nearly as good. If this didint have the processor it had this device would not score over 8K on Antutu. Thats I am sure. They should have made it with 2 Gigs of Memory and half that shoudl have been allocated to vRAM. It barely gets over 45 FPS at full res. That is poor.

Agreed. I couldnt deal the N7 Phablet mode. I want a real tablet.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Slammin:
Really, I am in serious tinker-mode right now and am currently running 2.17 Paranoid ROM (as of a couple of hours ago) as I reply to this, but I do have two daily-driver backups of CleanRom; odex and deodex, marked as daily drivers for a very good reason. They are awesome!

If you have time, try the 2.17 PA ROM to see just one example of how the default browser CAN work. And also, realize that with browser2ram, chances are that you can cook the required settings for optimal experience into any ROM you create.

;

jtrosky, thanks for that find with the about:debug setting. That really made things fly on stock JB!

Really, I think this tablet has so much untapped potential. My fear is that we may never know what could have been with this hardware.

I'm just screwing around, trying my best to see what I can, and am really impressed and amazed at how this little tablet is replacing my monster laptop.
[Asus Transformer TF700] golfinggino:
I had a tf300 and sold it I have a tf700 and a nexus 7 yes the nexus 7 is faster but not by much the nexus 7 is running the faux kernel and paranoid android the tf700 is running cm10 the screen on the infinity more then makes up for any speed difference. I also had a galaxy note 10.1 which I returned yesterday the screen is really bad I guess you need to decide which is more important speed or screen quality

I think wejust need to give it some time for some good kernels I almost sold my galaxy tab 7.7 when it was on hc because it was really slow not that it is on jb it is much better not as fast as the nexus 7 but the screen is way better then the nexus i guess I prefer screen quality to straight out speed
[Asus Transformer TF700] TheAnarchist1:
I turn off the lousy transition animations which I am not even a fan of even when they work right in Jellybean on the TF700, and honestly, the device works fine for me. I have used a 201, 300, and an N7, and honestly I am not quite sure what people are lamenting so much about this device and speed. I am on this rom right now, and after letting it settle...it even moves quicker! Aside from funky animations it runs like a champ for me! I feel positively no buyers remorse with the 700. I am sorry that I am not able to hop on the depression train with the rest of you guys.

All joking aside though. I personally believe that a LOT of the user experience with Jellybean on this device is determined by the quality of launcher/shell replacement that you are using and how you personalize your Android. Apex functions lousy on this device. Nova is better, but I have the ultimate experience using TSF shell. The notifications are smooth, the launcher is feature-filled and the animations that come along with it are fantastic. Yes the price is a tad steep, but the quality of the work is of a level rarely seen in Android development and updates are frequent. If you have the cash to spend, I suggest you guys try that, or some other alternative launcher, allow the build to settle, and then post your opinions on the experience. Android to a large extent is what you make it. Build tweaks and whatnot can only do so much. :o

I personally get sick of hearing the endless droning on about theoretical scores and comparisons to other devices and remorse and sadness and imperfections. Just take the time to really attempt to enjoy your devices and stop complaining about them. If you can get them to work fine for you, then nothing else matters.

And a final note! Thanks for giving this amazing build to us by the way! I love it! :good:
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
Thanks for your input.

Sadly I highly disagree with you. This device performs SUB PAR. I'm going to go get the 300 at Walmart tonight (they say they have it in stock, I hpe they do) and compare them side by side with stock and with CleanROM.

Untill then I realized I ****ed up asking this question in my own thread and will be locking it down until I decide which device to keep.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
SOme people report this but the majority of people dont. Not sure on this. Others have had answer. I thought it was language related but I was wrong.

Hey guys, what was the final verdict on this?
[Asus Transformer TF700] woodsonmh:
My io have always been over 6000. Full load of apps like over 100 and nova launcher.

Woody
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
Oh well then... :confused:
[Asus Transformer TF700] huy_lonewolf:
I do agree 100% with you guys, but the main reason why Anandtech used Androbench to benchmark I/O is to have a feel as well as to see the reason why the tablet is so laggy. The main culprit behind the lags/stuttering is because of the abysmal random write speed of the tf700, quoted below is the analysis of Anandtech:

"Sequential read/write speed isn't bad, but it's the random write speed that's really a problem. We're talking about write speeds of a couple hundred KB/s. Remember what I said earlier about how multitasking can take an otherwise sequential IO stream and make it look fairly random? I suspect the low random write performance is one reason we're seeing significant slowdowns with background IO. Not all NAND controllers do well with concurrent reads and writes, which could be another contributing factor to poor performance."

The benchmark result posted earlier is pretty much the same as my locked, stock Infinity. The good thing about Androbench, I guess, is that it measures raw performance.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Actually, this helps illustrates my point - even though the benchmark numbers are the same, the actual performance is *not*. That is why you just can't trust benchmarks - they are not a true representation of actual user experience. There are also multiple ways of "tricking" benchmark apps to make them "do what you want them to".

While I can completely understand the use of benchmark tools for development reasons, I just don't see the benefit for the end user.

If anyone reading this is 'on the fence' and trying to decide whether or not to try CleanROM, I'd *highly* recommend that you go by actual performance (all of the glowing user reports, for example) instead of relying on benchmark scores to determine if a particular ROM runs better than another ROM.

Trust me (and all of the users of this ROM) - CleanROM makes the TF700 run like it always should have when Asus delivered it! :)

Anyway, I guess we're starting to get off-topic a little (sorry Scott!) - just wanted to make sure everyone understood that benchmarks are not a true indication of actual performance - I'd hate to see someone not try this ROM simple because the Androbench random I/O benchmarks are not any better than they are with stock Asus ROM! :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
You are correct but you are missing one critical factor...

RAW speeds will never change, nothing can be done to speed it up. The memory is what it is... Maybe the kernel can bring it up some but thats another story... It think everyone can agree on that!

Now to my point... The Dalvik VM doesnt write raw data to hardware it uses the android caches. Understanding how Android works is integral to interperting benchmarks.

Hence you will see a an improved performance between stock and CleanROM.

See above. Android bench is doing low level tests that the Dalvik Virtual Machine will never do. Hence CleanROM is faster than stock due to the massive amount of time I spent tweaking it, lol
[Asus Transformer TF700] fordwolden:
Your ROM is not just faster, it is lightyears ahead of stock. Like stated above, Androbench tests the quality of your (hardware) storage, so when Scott finds a fix for that I will donate a kidney. The benchmark is relevant to performance though, it's because the Random writes are so bad that we are so desperately dependant of good hearted people like Scott to actuallymake the device work as it is supposed to.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jarvik:
GPS is working great
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
I dont think I can do that man... Although I appreciate the offer of a kidney! Never know when you can use one!
[Asus Transformer TF700] spinaldex:
Do we need to do a clean wipe before each iteration, or can we just drop the zip file for the 2.3 on the SD and then incrementally go up without wiping? What are the caveats with not wiping it clean each time? I have a bajillion apps with customizations and it really sucks to have to spent 4-6 hours each time tweaking everything the way I like it again.

Alternately, do people recommend using something like Titanium Backup to restore all apps and data after upgrades to save time? I've owned it for awhile, but I never figured out how to save the backups somewhere where it will actually allow me to restore from it. Everytime I wipe my tablet it wipes the backups too.

Thanks for any advice you have!
[Asus Transformer TF700] keyhell:
Thanks for comment. I'll try.

BTW, what is TIB?
[Asus Transformer TF700] Firebrazer:
Over the past couple of days it has become increasingly hard to resist unlocking my tablet and flashing this ROM. So... now I'm flashing it atm. I originally wanted to keep my warranty, but to hell with that. I've been abusing my SGSII for years now, and no problems whatsoever. I honestly thought I'd last longer than this :p

Oh well! Booting now :D
[Asus Transformer TF700] sfaiart:
Oh, so i am not alone with this issue, hope it will be fixed soon.
[Asus Transformer TF700] chugger93:
Ur really gonna enjoy this tablet now with this Rom. Its completely different

---------- Post added at 09:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:05 AM ----------

I'm downloading a huge game right now...but can still browse the Webb, YouTube, etc with almost no lag. Its a beautiful thing
[Asus Transformer TF700] Scott:
Yes, yes it is!
[Asus Transformer TF700] gyrene2083:
Scott I did the following from our thread #1350, also @seeser I never flashed the Mystic Rom, but thank you for the input.

First off it was like you said Scott it was still in balanced mode, I didn't know when you reboot that it goes back to balanced mode. So here are my results.

Does this look about right now? BTW this is with auto everything off.
[Asus Transformer TF700] buhohitr:
Here is stock .18 JB score with Androbench:

STOCK VS CLEANROM

#micro =benchmark

SEQ RD=22.52------------------------21.49

SEQ WR=7.42-------------------------6.09

RND RD=1331.05--------------------1629.98

RND WR=40.51-----------------------47.66

#SQLite benchmark

Insert=17.32----------------------------21.93

Update=22.19--------------------------24.33

Delete=22.06---------------------------23.84

#Macro benchmark

Browser=392.75----------------------476.25

Market=1052.25----------------------838.25

Camera=1764.5----------------------1170.25

Camcorder=1898.0------------------2081.5

Not much of a different between Stock and Cleanrom, but user experience where it counts.
[Asus Transformer TF700] chugger93:
Scott; what are the clock speeds in each mode just for reference? 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6? Just curious
[Asus Transformer TF700] adelancker:
I too noticed that lag, but didn't even notice it only lags with the launcher open until I read that comment.

It indeed appears to be only then.

That's odd :)

Anyway, I am sure once Scott will be aware of this *very* unimportant issue, he'll fix it.

He must be the most dedicated and friendly developer ever! Just look at how fast he replies to all questions on his thread! I am even surprised he still has time to sleep :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Rickymax:
Does anyone has whatsapp in the tablet? I feel it soooo laggy with low consumption mode. I use it in phones with 700mhz like max and 0 lag.

The words appears in the screen between 3 seconds later than typing

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