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[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Sony Xperia Z (Yuga) to be announced in China on 15 January? Priced similar to Xperia T?

Chinese media is reporting that Sony Mobile will be holding a press conference in the country on 15 January 2013 to announce the launch of new smartphones. None of this is surprising as we expect first official news on new Xperia handsets to appear at the CES tradeshow in Las Vegas, which starts on 8 January 2013.

The Sony C660X (codename Yuga), to be known as the Xperia Z, is expected to be announced. We may also see its sibling handset, the Sony C650X (codename Odin) announced too. Rumours from these same media reports suggest Odin will come to the market as the Xperia X.

The Chinese version of the Sony Xperia Z, codenamed Yuga, will have model number L36h. We understand that the new Xperia model number structure does not extend to China, where they will continue to use the L, M, S codes seen in previous years to represent large, medium and small handsets. Internationally, the Xperia Z (Yuga) is expected to sport model numbers C6602 and C6603.

In terms of price point, the reports suggest that the Xperia Z will hit the market with a similar price as the Sony Xperia TX (LT29i). The Xperia TX is currently on sale for 4,298 Yuan in China (£427, €520, $689).

The Sony C650X ‘Odin’, rumoured to be known as the Xperia X, will have model number L35h in China. It is the sibling phone to the Xperia Z, with similar specifications but different design. International model numbers for Odin include C6502, C6503, C6506.

Specs for both phones include a 5-inch 1080p display, 13MP Exmor RS camera, 2GB RAM, APQ8064 Snapdragon chipset with 1.5GHz quad-core processor and Adreno 320 graphics. The Yuga will be the premium model and feature a water/dust resistant chassis.

Via ePrice.

Thanks Aaron and Dacha!
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
Only a few days until CES when all (hopefully) gets revealed! I'm excited.
[Xperia Z General] Arteni:
So excited between CES !

But I won't have this devices. :-/

This Snapdragon S4 Pro is in all device at 2013, it is not original, I will buy my device at 2014/2015. :)

I espear they'll be ARMv8 chips.

Sony Xperia T - Stock ROM - 4.1.2 Stock Leaked Launcher - Rooted soon.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
That makes no sense :P The Snapdragon S4 Pro will probably be the best CPU of 2013. The only thing that might be able to beat it (and by a very, very small margin if it does) is the Exynos 5.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Sony C650X ‘Odin’ design information

Sony C650X Odin design features

– Odin is thicker and heavier than Yuga (Xperia Z).

– The back of the handset will have a textured (or even striped pattern) similar to the Sony Xperia E dual.

– A small cover on the back of the handset will allow you to hot swap the microSD memory card and SIM card.

– The front-facing camera will be placed at the bottom-right of the handset.

Can anyone confirm any of the details ?
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
I find the location of the front facing camera very odd.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Indeed, it is very odd. In about a week we will know more.
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
Why would they put the front facing camera at the bottom... Unless the camera is pointed upward the phone will be higher than our eye level...makes no sense.

I call bullcrap on that.
[Xperia Z General] jianlinooi:
dun forget tegra 4...both exynos 5 and tegra 4 surely own s4 pro..bcuz of true cortex a15..and msm8974 coming q2 2013...which is improvement over s4 pro..
[Xperia Z General] Till-Kruspe:
YUGA.

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[Xperia Z General] Arteni:
Or intel chips...

Sony Xperia T - Stock ROM - Firmware 7.0.1.195 - 4.1.2 Stock Leaked Launcher - Rooted soon.
[Xperia Z General] :
Nokia N9 had it!
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
Tegra 4 will beat is quite handily, however it would be a brave manufacturer that stuffs T4 into a phone as it would need a huge battery and some serious cooling. Also, if ST-E (well Ericsson now) ever get around to releasing the A9600 then that will also beat S4 Pro. Not only that but whatever Apple come up with for iPad and iPhone in 2013 will beat it.

From 2014 onwards Qualcomm are in trouble, they have no way of combating true A15 based chips and they are well behind ImgTec, Mali and GeForce on the GPU side. The Adreno 320 is pitiful in comparison to the latest ImgTec and Mali based GPUs and the next Tegra GPU is going to be an absolute beast with fully programmable shaders.

Sony need to find a new source for their chips or they face being left behind in 2014 onwards. My hope is that they will leverage their partnership with Toshiba and produce their own SoC and buy the necessary modem IP from Ericsson (who want to get out of the game completely) to compete on a parity basis with Samsung and Apple. With the latest (and hopefully permanent) weakening of the Yen, Sony will be in a very strong position to invest profits and strengthen their mobile position. Relying on cast offs from Qualcomm who will always favour HTC will see Sony trailing Apple and Samsung for the foreseeable future.
[Xperia Z General] Arteni:
Yes, Tegra 4 will be amazing but I don't know if Sony will put it in their phone

Sony Xperia T - Stock ROM - Firmware 7.0.3.195 - 4.1.2 Stock Leaked Launcher - Rooted soon.
[Xperia Z General] thorstenn:
Good post, fully agree. STE would seem like the best bet but the only real asset there now is their modem side (Thor 7400). They are always way behind schedule when it comes to making the SOCs, u8500 was like 3 years delayed or something. If Ericsson withdrew their modem from STE and collaborated with Sony instead that would be awesome. Maybe they could call their new partnership "Sony Ericsson" ;)
[Xperia Z General] Pandemic:
Xperia Z is coming begin 2013, with 5 inch screen, 2gb ram, quadcore and more just google it and you will find, its the flagship of Sony :)

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[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
That's not really news Pandemic :P Everyone has known that for months now.
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Curious to see it.

Just bought T few weeks ago though..
[Xperia Z General] Pandemic:
Ok:) sorry, i going to buy xperia t maybe :)

So then i leave my neo v and p and sell them.

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[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Firts press shot XZ
[Xperia Z General] superlimau:
Omg... Is that a LG? I expect better design to be honest....
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
double speakers what? i think top is to hear from calling and bottom one is loud speaker
[Xperia Z General] lee480:
Mic...
[Xperia Z General] lee480:
:D

Xperia Odin
[Xperia Z General] Dr.Gonzo105:
That looks bad :o
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
The front facing camera is actually at the bottom...

BTW Odin's official name is Xperia ZL.
[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
Which one is better, Odin or Yuga ? Looks like Odin (ZL) got less surface on bottom and on top (more edge to edge design), but front facing camera is on very strange position IMO.
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
Specs wise they are pretty much the same. It's the physical hardware that differentiates them. I believe the ZL will be made of different material vs the glass of the Z.

Oh and Z is waterproof i believe. ZL is not supposed to be.
[Xperia Z General] Amritttt:
Really liked the odin but ff camera is at bottom come on let's see what htc, Motorola x and Samsung comes up with though there won't be sgs 4 but lets see whats new in ces 2013.
[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
Thanx.. But what is a point to launch two flagships with same specs, but a little different design? This will only split developers...

Here is side by side photo:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/01/sony-xperia-z-and-zl-press-shots/

If specs are same, I think ZL will be more interesting because it is smaller.. I hope it will also have premum materials (some rumours suggested dragontrail glass on back).
[Xperia Z General] cartmenicus:
But they are the exact same device in each way accpet deswing.. so what works on one should either work on the other without a hasssle or soem simple porting but only if just the desing is differnt i dont kow though :/
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
No glass on back for Odin :( . Confirmed it today. Not sure the material though but probably like the T or ion.

It will be interesting to see which one does better. Its really a toss up. I'm torn as to which one I want.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ TL
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
The rumors are that Odin will have a textured back like Xperia E dual. I sure hope it is metal since I prefer Odin over Yuga because of the smaller footprint and the LED strip on the bottom.
[Xperia Z General] Knight77:
I know I asked before but now that we're close to the official announcement, do we know which one will be released in which market?

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[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Z internationally, ZL on LTE-networks (educated guess, not a fact).
[Xperia Z General] Knight77:
Yeah OK but for what I know both of them use the same internal hw so both are LTE compatible. Anyway about your theory, you mean that in countries with LTE we're gonna see only ZL? I hope that is the one for Italy.

BTW was true the rumor saying that ZL will be thicker and heavier?

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[Xperia Z General] tito jeebs:
I don't know if I should wait for this phone or get the nexus 4. This phone has gotten my attention
[Xperia Z General] Pandemic:
Peeps that wanted tge bexus 4 is only avour the quadcore, but remember its LG, so its crap

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[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
I posted the dimensions a few pages back.

Both should be available in the US. In the few couple months.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ TL
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Well I'm not sure. Software-wise it'd be a lot easier for Sony to just have both on LTE.

It sure is possible the Z is just a little bit more expensive... The Z is waterproof and has this premium materials thing going on (glass front and back). The ZL does have an IR transmitter so I'm a bit confused too.
[Xperia Z General] tito jeebs:
I'm not a fan of LG either but you can't beat the price. The Xperia Z looks fantastic but im not sure if it's worth signing a contract over. But who knows i'll just have to wait to see what Sony has to offer
[Xperia Z General] Coolkid8689:
Can you shed some light over the battery part...??? Do you've any idea about the batteries of Yuga & Odin... Once, you had said that they would get 2400 & 2370mAh respectively... So is there any improvement in battery department after that or they'll stay the same...???
[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
I don't understand why they can't offer everything for a flagship. ZL looks great, with less bazzel, but doesn't have premium materials like dragontrail glass on a back. Other choice is Z, which got more premium materials, but is bigger, because it has more bazzel arround a screen. IMO ZL with rumoured specs and premium materials would be great and very desired. Z got just too much bazzel arround a screen.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
That was the last listed battery specs I saw from internal Sony 2013 launch documents. Its possible they could have changed but I haven't heard anything.
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
So Z without a camera button should be like V (dust and water and hit-proof)

and ZL like T?

Here is Yuga but with camera button:

http://mobile-review.com/review/sony-yuga-c6603.shtml
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
The V still hasn't been released yet! :( From a practical point of view though, the V is still more practical than the Yuga or Odin as their screens are MASSIVE. At least with the V it's not as difficult to fit in your pocket. Still if the V doesn't release I'll be forced to go with the Yuga or Odin and the Yuga has a higher model number (C660X) - maybe its specs are therefore better (we'll still need to wait for CES2013 for the Official specs confirmation though).
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Yea the qestion is when Yuga and Odin will be released..

Anyway from mobilereview shots Yuga also has camera button which is a must.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Just done a quick comparison: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=5204&idPhone2=5203

The LTE (4G) and the optional 32GB in-built storage of the Sony Xperia ZL are beginning to sway my choice from the Xperia V in favour of the ZL. Maybe I could live with a 5" screen...? :confused: Anyway, it would be a 'Phablet', right? Maybe I'd have increased productivity on it? Not a tablet but bigger than the usual smartphone - the best of both worlds?
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Hard to believe Z will not have HSPA+. T has it...

As well as NFC.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
You're right. No HSPA+ , no NFC , no 32GB option, no LTE (4G) . The ZL is just better.
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Well let's just hope than both will ba available globally.

It may also just mean both will be positioned differently, it would make sense.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
The only problem now though is that a 5" screen phone might be too big to hold one-handed when making a call, and also to fit in your pocket as well: http://www.androidcentral.com/5-inch-devices-great-half-way-tablets-or-phone-only-giant-could-love What do you think??
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
What? HSPA is pretty much a standard for cellular data, arguably so is LTE, so why wouldn't Sony put it in their phones? Spectre said both phones should have LTE. Undoubtedly they should also be compatible with HSPA as well since only a handful of countries support LTE and HSPA is, like I said, a standard nowadays.

The GSM Arena stats aren't official; we can't rely on them yet.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Despite that, I still don't see any reason to doubt the GSMarena specs, although it will all be clear when Sony Officially state the specs at the CES 2013 show. What about my question in: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=36175787&postcount=243 ?
[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
Looks like this year's flagships will have 5" screen. Those phones are getting too big IMO and unfortunately they doesnt offer top hardware in smaller packages (with smaller screen). Screen size should be max 4.7" - 4.8" IMO.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Do you think the specs of the Xperia V are still good in comparison to those of the Odin and the Yuga then?
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
The Xperia V has very respectable specs in my opinion. Nothing bad about the phone really. And the screen size is small enough to be held easily and to fit in a pocket. The original Xperia arc has a similar screen size and it feels great to hold and pocket.
[Xperia Z General] :
According to a couple of friends at Sony Mobile they will push Yuga as the flagship to begin with. Odin is harder to produce because of the size. Yuga set to be on sale mid feb with Odin a little later in march....
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
As long as they dont do what they did with the ion and push it into Q2.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
GSMArena's specs are wrong all the time. The Yuga and Odin should have the exact same modem chip. And even if they don't I am 100% sure both have HSPA+ support.
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
That's what I think.
[Xperia Z General] :
Seen this?

(Coming from http://sonyxp.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=45846
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Didn't see this. But it looks it has camera button.
[Xperia Z General] cihanleanne:
absolute diamond i hope whitemagic technology too
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
I think it was already confirmed that it won't have whitemagic
[Xperia Z General] Norair:
both Xperia Z and ZL will have camera buttons

Price:

493Euro

654Dollar

Avaibility:

mid February the Xperia Z

April Xperia ZL
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
What source? Also you didn't put the cost in £ GBP
[Xperia Z General] Norair:
the realase date is not 100% right but the rest is 99%

402,862£

intern source
[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
Do you have info if it has plastic or glass on a back ?

I found rumour that Xperia Z got 139 x 71 x 7.9mm dimensions. If those dimensions are true, than Xperia ZL should have similar dimensions to SGS3, which is OK.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Converting the price from one region to another does not provide the actual world wide sales price. Taxes, import fees and other costs fluctuate a lot from country to country.

I am assuming that you used the 19990 Thai Baht price to do your conversion.

---------- Post added at 12:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:30 PM ----------

Z: 139x71x8.1mm

ZL: 131.6x69.7x9.8mm

Those dimensions were posted by Spectre51 a few weeks ago.
[Xperia Z General] Norair:
the latest info i have is that the Z has 137/138 x 71 x 7,6mm

the ZL will have dual sim and is not the international version
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Xperia Z will be available in the following colors: Black, Purple and White

Xperia ZL will be available in the following colors: Black and White
[Xperia Z General] cihanleanne:
that is a shame had enough with these old cheap tn screens at least ips would be good what i dont get japan display has announced that in production of 5 inch fhd whitemagic with pixel eye and ips neo why the hell sony isnt using it
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Sony is using the ips neo OptiContrast screen without whitemagic.
[Xperia Z General] cihanleanne:
thats ok than cos we sony funs all had enough with tn i think especially wieving angle
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
And yellow spots on the screen like I have on my XS and a few people on the V, T and TL.
[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
Im not very familiar with Sony's phones yet, but most negative comments I heard about their displays. Is this true that their displays aren't as good as others (Samsung and HTC) ? Xperia Z will have same or better screen than previous Sony's phones ?
[Xperia Z General] thejosetree:
The problem is that they are using this technology only for models in Japan or Asia.
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
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[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Ehm, I'm pretty sure my Xperia T also has an OptiContrast panel?

Personally I think Sony's displays are fine. While Samsung has strong points on contrast wtih their AMOLED the lose a lot on colour reproduction, PenTile and burn-in. HTC's high-end displays (like the One X) are really good, there's nothing bad to say about those. But Sony's aren't that bad either. They have some viewing angle issues but as long as you look head-on (and you almost always do) everything looks great on them!
[Xperia Z General] Norair:
anyone has news about that phone?

http://sonyviet.vn/2012/12/xperia-z...ng-gap-3-lan-gorilla-glass-pin-chua-xac-dinh/

just translate it with google

it looks like that the Display Glas which will be on Xperia Z is 3 times stronger that Gorilla Glas
[Xperia Z General] Maximus999:
It doesn't. The display on the T is very poor actually, the TX has an OptiContrast panel on select devices and the V has it for all devices. The Ion did as well.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
I just compared my T and my S directly (for the first time) and they're pretty similar. Colours on the S are better, but it's a first-edition S with the warmer colour display but risk of yellow spots.

In any case, the display on the Z and ZL should be pretty amazing.
[Xperia Z General] :
I believe that's exactly the same glass as in Xperia Active...
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
It is. Dragontrail glass. It's very strong from what I've seen.
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Xperia's T display is great and more real than S.

Compared both - having both - with many photos.
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
NO! camera button, unfortunately :(

http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/01/04/more-xperia-z-c660x-yuga-pictures-surface/

But it has a flash for the people didn't see it on the pictures in above link:

http://mobile-review.com/review/image/sony/sony-yuga-c6603/pic/11.jpg
[Xperia Z General] Jiyeon:
Camera button

And no flash

Maybe we should wait
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
THat's speaker, and if you read my post CAREFULLY you see a link to another images...

again, no shutter:

http://static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Yuga-images.jpg
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Those images on Xperiablog are renders from a promotional video.

Nevermind. I'm not sure about the camera button anymore. Might be a speaker hole on that side.

I am 100% sure about the LED-flash though.
[Xperia Z General] Jiyeon:
If it's true, so **** you, Sony

how about flash, I have looked really carefully
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
No you havent....

So to make it clear for you:
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Nevermind. I'm not sure about the camera button anymore. Might be a speaker hole on that side.

I am 100% sure about the LED-flash though.
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
I believe @Ambroos.

On Mobile-Review you also clearly see the camera button.
[Xperia Z General] Jiyeon:
Thank you for your confirmation, it makes me fell much better now
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Stop believing me, I'm not sure anymore either. The thing you see on the side in the mobile-review 'preview' could very well be a speaker hole.

That tiny hole on the back is most likely for the rear microphone and not a speaker. That microphone hole is probably a little bigger because of the waterproofing.
[Xperia Z General] Jiyeon:
So fu*k you

I though you know someone working in Sony 'cause the way you talk is damn sure
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Well. For me lack of camera button - no go...

If Sony will be that stupid to abandon it...

---------- Post added at 06:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:59 PM ----------

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1923889&page=26

On this page we see a big image.

Looks like a shutter rather than a speaker...
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
I do know people at Sony but never asked them about the camera button/LED. I know a lot of other things you don't know yet but I can't reveal any of that information :P
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
I hope for the button, really.
[Xperia Z General] Jiyeon:
srr guy, I am just kidding don't be upset about me, I'm just too eager
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
No camera button, that's on the larger Odin. Shame really.
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
How do you know?

BTW, Odin is rather smaller because of smaller bezel.

Maybe Yuga is like V and Odin like T.

I take Odin than, looks great.
[Xperia Z General] Norair:
Xperia Z Poweroff/on Button

on the official site of sony mobile DE , sony teases a pic which is really close to the leaked pictures of the Xperia Z

and comments with : "Der Countdown läuft ..." which means: "Conutdown has started"
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Polish does similar...
[Xperia Z General] -A-P-M-:
Here are more photos: http://www.gsmarena.com/xperia_z_leaks_again_shows_off_its_slick_design-news-5290.php

Looks really great and premium :cool: I don't know whay flash isn't seen on those photos, but on mobile-review it was clearly seen, so Im sure it will have it.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
I think that those pics are from an early promotional video and the design has changed. The final product will be slightly different from the pics.
[Xperia Z General] Mwinggg:
flash should be included in a high end phone
[Xperia Z General] brangalm:
Pleaseeeeeeee if this thing has a removable battery I'm already sold.

Doubt it though :(
[Xperia Z General] zymo:
Looking at the pictures I think it's highly unlikely. It looks to be sealed like in the Xperia T.
[Xperia Z General] oache:
in just three days we will unveil something extraordinary to the world and we can't wait to show you what it can do. Stay tuned for more...

The Sony Team email receveid SAT 3:34 PM ...wath is comming ? the apocalyps
[Xperia Z General] cihanleanne:
can not wait see next beuty
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
Officially nothing exists yet, unofficially it has flash under the camera, no shutter button, nice power management addition and a beautiful display :) Build quality is great, thin, on the bottom right side is the speaker and really looks nice and feels nice on your hand. Did I say it generally looks pretty good?
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
So Odin has camera button?
[Xperia Z General] gbil:
I am talking about yuga, don't know about odin.
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Ok, pity... No Camera button - no go...