yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xperia Z General] drsoran2:
@randomesatouser

then please clarify for us. I would like to know about the C550X for example.

So there is the Z with 5" screen and S4 Pro Quad and FHD and Adreno 320. I want to know this: If there would be a phone with the same SoC but with 4.6" screen and 7

20p display would that mean that the battery life would be higher because of less pixels to power and smaller screen size? Also, would the performance theoretically be up to twice as high because of only half the pixels to render?
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
I like how @randomuseresato says "most" , and not 'all' . There's still hope for some of the info! :)
[Xperia Z General] Rubenos:
yawn... I'm leaving this part of the forum. Good luck guys.
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Sony Xperia RX confirmed

On eSato, randomuser explicitly confirmed the Sony Xperia RX , when he said:

" Xperia RX is not 4". RX is 5 inches. = One Sony."

" Why confused?

RX = One Sony = 2H flagship

Ray 3 = 4 -4.3" Iphone 5S rival with 20mp camera and S800 CPU"

Source: http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=204753&start=5640
[Xperia Z General] xperiax10.awesome:
This thread is going Nowhere !! ;)

sent from seXperia Z - Black
[Xperia Z General] mrsanches:
What about that 4.8" screen phone that people were talking about before?

Will it be waterproof? S600/S800?(not that I really care about it, but at least a S4 pro would be fun, plus same design and same camera as the Z)

I really like the ZL, although it's weird back and the missing waterproof keeps me undecided

the Z is great, but it won't be available in my country (like, WTF SONY?) and anyway I think it would be to big for my hands...

In all these years, I keep thinking that Sony make awesome phones, but they're not the same!! Why not combine ZL and Z together and make a perfect phone instead making two?
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
my guess

because of time and competition, they have to unveil both before everyone since they are still the under dog compare to everyone else in the market so they wont get over shadow easily. A early strong impression before everyone else is the best way to go. CES is just the right place to be. As for why not making ZL water proof, its because the phone is much harder to manufacture than Z due to its size. Getting their Water proof Z out to the markets they are stronger at first (EU and Asia) is the best thing they can do, that way the current Z owners still feel like the phones is classy premium phone and has advantage over the rival flagship devices like water proof etc even when the processor is the weakest of them all (which most ppl dont even care if the user experience is smooth). Release the ZL later on the weak markets like NA is all they can do because they know there is no way they can compete with Samsung or Apple no matter what kind of specs or gimmicks they are throwing out. Since the device is harder to manufacture, it also mean they will probably have supply issue if the demand is too high; the current Z is already facing this problem in EU according to the source from neogaf...... They are playing is save and smart, I just hope the Zl does ended up with S600, sony should include a turbo boost function in future update like PC that let the phone runs at the highest speed possible with the trade of of short battery life, but if an option is available its always good.
[Xperia Z General] TracerBullitt:
It seems Sony is quickly catching up, but they have a ways to go as far as slimming down their options and truly creating "One Sony". For example, I believe they have many technologies they try on some devices (touchless scrolling), but not others, or, their "flagships", in particular. Their phones look better but not necessarily "innovative" and Sony comes off a little timid. To me, for now, that's okay. I think they can do better than shoot for number 3, and believe they need to pace themselves. However, I hope they pick up the pace a lil...
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
Upcoming rumored devices

C360X - 4.3 inch 720p, 1 GB RAM, 8 GB Internal, 8 mp Exmor RS, 1900mAh battery, 1.5ghz MSM8960 S4 krait

C550X - Dogo - Gaga - 4.7" 720p, IP58 water resistant, 2GB RAM, APQ8064 Quad Krait, 13 MP Exmor R, 2100mAh, LTE

C680X - Honami - 5" 1080p, 2GB RAM, MSM8974 2.3ghz, 3000mAh, 32 GB Internal, LTE

C670X - ??

Togari - 6.44" 1080p, 2GB RAM, MSM8974 2.3ghz, 3500mAh, 8 mp Exmor RS, 32GB Internal, LTE, Touch pen, 6mm thin, IP57 water resistant

7" Xperia Tablet - 7.X" 1080p, 2GB RAM, APQ8064T, 8 mp Exmor R,

Source: http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=204753
[Xperia Z General] pongnamu:
Hope it never happens from now...

Sent From X10Mini Running SlimROMs+ R3 Final
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
View attachment 1848946So this is basically what we know so far on Sony's upcoming phones. Thanks go to @randomuser , @stedus , @dacha , @ambivalent and others at eSato.
[Xperia Z General] cklow01:
Please stop copying and pasting rumors from another forum without giving credits to the original posters
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
I gave credit - look at the post and you will see that I did: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39786848&postcount=1023
[Xperia Z General] supercoolman:
resolution too low to see anything :silly:
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
This will show up at a better size : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AreyfktYnDHtdHN0bVFPdUFJd0ZiNzZQcjMwV1I5M0E&usp=sharing
[Xperia Z General] cklow01:
You edited your post after my post and that is a Last Edited time, in case you are not aware of it. Also, you could change the original post but you cant change my quote.
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
^

Calm down guys :) It's fine
[Xperia Z General] saeed74:
Do any body know anything about Xperia X
[Xperia Z General] nightwing369:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AreyfktYnDHtdHN0bVFPdUFJd0ZiNzZQcjMwV1I5M0E&usp=sharing

(I've updated all of the info on what we know)
[Xperia Z General] Trollololol:
hopefully they'll use LED back lit like the xperia s instead of TFT for the Honami, also speakers like htc one or the iphone 5( loud and clear)
[Xperia Z General] geduxaz:
Have got "DOGO"...

PM if any info needed.
[Xperia Z General] Dr.Gonzo105:
Could you post all info about it here like specs, design, pictures of phone, new features etc? Or please just send through pm.?
[Xperia Z General] Nameless One:
Given that TFT and type of back-lighting are two totally unrelated aspects of LCD displays

your post makes less than no sense.
[Xperia Z General] zyo:
almost all lcd panels are tft including ips oled. and nowadays all mobile device screens are led backlit. do you think they can fit traditional ccfl in those inches thin panels?

You really need to learn about what makes good panels rather than chasing buzz words without understanding jack.
[Xperia Z General] BassBlaster:
And since when does any apple product have a loud and clear speaker
[Xperia Z General] Nameless One:
What exactly is this "ips oled" of which you speak? buzzwords chased without understanding?

While IPS is a type of LCD (as is TN), OLED has virtually nothing in common with LCD.

LCD has a back-light (increasingly LED these days) shining through coloured filter picture elements

made of liquid crystal (which are switched via thin film transistors, I doubt that they have used

anything else for switching in over twenty years).

In OLED the picture elements are themselves light emitting diodes (made using organic compounds),

no filters and no back-lighting.

Interestingly, if this article is accurate and true:

http://www.neowin.net/news/guide-to-smartphone-hardware-47-displays

then the Xperia S that Trollololol seems to like so much has a TN panel, albeit one of the better ones.
[Xperia Z General] Gitaroo:
how reliable is this Honami rumor? Sound like the perfect phone to be should be super future proof enough for the next 2-3 years. I was going to get the ZL but tested it at the store and it seems laggy for some reason as oppose to what every owners has described. If its the first ONE Sony phone, I can see Sony going all out in specs, and late release might be key lime pie on day 1.
[Xperia Z General] aliHTCDHD:
Since the iPhone 4
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Honami is coming July in Japan. Will see worldwide release/announcement in mid-September.
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
^

Nope. Not coming to Japan in July.
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Not even announcement?
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
Nope. Nothing before September
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
According to my source announcement will be in August with a late September early October release.

Sent from my Lumia 920
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
^

Sounds right :)
[Xperia Z General] jianlinooi:
both togari and honami announce same time?:D
[Xperia Z General] BassBlaster:
Your joking right?
[Xperia Z General] aliHTCDHD:
Please explain to me briefly what's wrong with them on the 4S they only got even more louder. Compared to my HTC One X they are much more louder and clearer with very little distortion.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Haven't confirmed but would make since. They are both being released around the same time.

Sent from my Lumia 920
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Price point will be similar (or, I'm hoping, same) as the Xperia Z ?

You really can't go any higher than 38k in India. If you want the phones to sell, that is.
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
^

Significantly higher than Z. Similar to Iphone.
[Xperia Z General] sfkaudi:
iphone 5 16gb Price 4464.- in dk and with 32gb 5690,- and 64gb 6428,- :o

xperia z 4175,-/5247,-
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Well then, I'm hoping the next nexus is the honami :(
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
^

It isn't :)

No nexus from Sony at least for next 3 years
[Xperia Z General] mzr7:
That's stupid tbh a nexus is like free marketing in North America. Look what it did for LG as a brand . Sony needs to do one to be taken really seriously in that market.
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
Well then, HTC? Or who?:confused:
[Xperia Z General] randomuseresato:
^

LG
[Xperia Z General] warfareonly:
No, you're talking about the rumored nexus 4 32gb variant right? I like LG, but I had kind of set my heart on a waterproof/resistant nexus :sigh:

Ah, well. There's always next year....
[Xperia Z General] cs098:
Guys heard of the xperia A?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/08/sony-xperia-a-passes-through-the-fcc/
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
Yugas bezel really isn't that large. If you compare it to the DNA, it's overall a bit smaller even though it has the same size screen. Odin takes it a step further and is noticably smaller than even the Galaxy S3, despite the difference in screen size. I'm hoping Sony goes for a bezel similar to Odins for the 6" phablet.
[Xperia Z General] babylonbwoy:
oops. sorry for error
[Xperia Z General] Knight77:
Sorry, just to be sure...which one should be the one for the European market?
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Not sure entirely yet but possibly the yuga.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ P
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
Any idea on if the phones have LTE?
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Both should be if I remember correctly.

Sent from my Sony Xperia S
[Xperia Z General] anishs:
I'm really excited about these devices, my previous devices such as blackberries, nexus s, galaxy nexus were all mediocre when it came to battery life... For ex. on the Nexus devices I would get about (13 hours - 2-3 hours screen on time). Do you think these phones will have better battery life? I really don't want to get the Nexus 4 it looks really uninspired and "blah" although the device sounds very powerful...

I really like the Xperia T design but the processor/RAM held me back.. I really want the Odin to be honest but if the battery life is still mediocre I think I'll be a little disappointed.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
The S4 and 1gb ram held you back?
[Xperia Z General] anishs:
Yeah I mean the hardware of the Xperia T was identical (processor and what not) to the HTC One S that came out Q2, so I wasn't gonna pay $500 - $600 for the Xperia T in Q4.

Plus the bezel was kinda big. Not to mention before the Xperia T even became available in Canada Yuga/Odin got rumoured then leaked so I decided to wait for them because I actually like the design and hardware (similar to the Nexus 4).

So I get the hardware of Nexus 4 but Sony's design.

Anyways my original question was do you think the battery life is gonna be good? Like more than 13 hours (2-3 hours screen time)?
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
No clue. Don't know how much of a drain those 1080p screens are gonna be especially at 5".

Sent from my Sony Xperia S
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
The one we'll get in the UK will be IP57, metal and glass, not a steel band like the iPhone, but described as 'panels'. 13Mp, quad Krait.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
The full HD display will cause a major performance and battery life hit. They're compensating with bigger batteries but don't expect the Yuga and Odin to feel faster or last longer than the T/TX/V.

Full HD is over double the amount of pixels and that requires over double the amount of work to render.

The HTC Droid DNA / J Butterfly has the same issue.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
According to the GSM-Arena battery test the HTC Droid DNA beats the Xperia T by a lot. 49 HRS vs. 36 HRS on the T.

Other tests were also done and the full HD screen did not drain the battery any faster than a lower resolution screen.

HTC Droid DNA battery tests out, prove that the Full HD screen isn't a power hog
[Xperia Z General] anishs:
Thanks for this!
[Xperia Z General] Hunt3r.j2:
Basically the price of the full HD screen will probably be slightly lower brightness or contrast.

Sent from my PM23300 using Board Express
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Not rely. Based on screen tests the iPhone 5 has the brightest display followed by the HTC One x. The HTC Droid DNA is in 3rd place.
[Xperia Z General] vivftp:
This was posted over on NeoGAF by the user zomgbbqftw. He seems to have insider knowledge on Sonys business and this has already been posted over at esato. I was wondering if anyone here could add to or confirm any of this.
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
^ HOLY those specs are too good to be true. seriously, sony is coming back to go against sammy and apple.

I LUV SONY!.

lol i switched 4 xperia phones in one year (arcs s > S > TX > TL), i guess it will be more than that for next year
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
The batteries, yay!
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
By "current naming scheme, does he mean the letter naming convention? I personally like it better than the number convention; Xperia # doesn't sound as good as Xperia X imo.
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
Looks like this will be on sale in February. I've been told I'll be given one then, but not anything else, just it'll be the most expensive Sony phone yet.
[Xperia Z General] lokenok:
BUMP..
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Sony’s 2013 flagship will have a glass-back, is this a deal-breaker for you?

Isn't it dragontrail glass?
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Yes, it is.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
So then it should be indestructible. Why are people worried?
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Sony ‘Yuga’ (SO-02E) passes through FCC; reveals 2,330mAh battery

Hopefully the global variant will have a larger battery.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Good point but there is no way to make everybody happy.

Some people will always find something to complain about.

---------- Post added at 11:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:47 AM ----------

What is the slot next to the camera? Below the camera is the LED flash.
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Speaker possibly.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ TL
[Xperia Z General] Monipeev:
I thing that slot is for sound..... ;)
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
Odd placement for a speaker don't you think?

---------- Post added at 02:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:10 PM ----------

Over at the arc forums, someone posted this link with some drastically different specs for yuga.

http://www.androidauthority.com/son...b-ram-128gb-storage-unveiled-ces-2013-139845/

It sounds too out of whack. But it would be amazing.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
First, they did an huge confusing. Read the "source" (explained right after) wrong. That was meant to be the Q4 Flagship.

Although that is a fake rumour.

By randomuser:
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
Whoa. Well that's that.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
The latest rumors are suggesting that the 2013 Xperia devices will run vanilla android with Sony launcher and other Sony apps.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Well what do you think the current ones run? It's not far off. Sony hardly does any theming of the OS itself (unlike Samsung and HTC).
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Vanilla android is only used on nexus devices. Sony uses a custom UI.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
I think the idea that Sony will use a Vanilla is the framework, mostly.

They will indeed apply their theme over stock framework. What I've been wondering is how they will keep the Vanilla framework and keep features that rely on Sony framework, such as camera and Small Apps.
[Xperia Z General] mzr7:
I think that might be the case I remember k900 posting about it in the old Xperia S. Update thread now it's part of Xperia p u and sola.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
I'm pretty sure the Sony apps can be quite easily changed to pull their resources from another pre-installed sort of framework or just have the resources embedded in the apps themselves.

This could be nice. It would also mean that there would be a bit less work required to update the phones to newer Android versions. But don't let it fool you, they'd still have to ensure that their custom apps and themes are compatible - the only thing they could do is release the platform update through the special flash tool they just made before they release the regular update through the usual channels.

This would actually be really nice for everyone. Fast basic Android updates for people who prefer that through Sony's Flash Tool (EMMA). Faster access to kernel sources for the FXP team. Slightly faster regular updates for regular users (retaining the Sony look and feel).

One thing that might work out less well for Sony is that it'd make their apps easier to port to other phones. If they were to rely less on Sony's own framework it'd be easier. Another potential issue is apps duplication. Do they also leave the standard AOSP apps (People, Messaging, Gallery, ...) in?
[Xperia Z General] XperiaMicro:
Too much rumors out there... Must wait til Sony officially announced it. Looking forward for 2013 flagship :D
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Sony C5303 ‘HuaShan’ caught in benchmark; outs 1.7GHz clock speed
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Sony Yuga (C660X): A couple more photos unveiled

Added pics to OP too.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
The same mistake Sony did with Xperia Arc and Xperia S (don't remember others): camera too close to the edge. Except for that, really gorgeous.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
It's either that or a smaller battery/bump on the back. It's a bit annoying at first but you really get used to it anyway.

Also, I think this is the best-looking phone I've ever seen. This is a perfect Sony-style design.
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
Oh, I get it.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
One of Eldar comments"warm as a stove". He has to bash every Sony phone.
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
There's supposed to be a more in depth first look at the phone tomorrow according to Eldar. I wonder how much he'll reveal.
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
It's nice for those cold (Swedish) winters, you know.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
I think that's what they had in mind. :p
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
March is going to be a fun month. ;)
[Xperia Z General] anishs:
Ah man... March? Not February? haha. At least its early next year!
[Xperia Z General] Spectre51:
Well possibly Feb but at least by March. End of / Beginning of.
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Feb in UK and Hong Kong, USA and some other countries in March?
[Xperia Z General] Ambroos:
Usually the US is a few weeks later, so we can only hope for February over here.

This is going to make a perfect birthday present for myself :D (end of feb)
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Lets hope so. The sooner the better.

By the way Odin/Yuga are supposed to have a steel frame.
[Xperia Z General] anishs:
Thanks for the info! First impressions of the Yuga Protoype were posted!! check it out on mobile review

Wow apparently Yuga supports SDXC (Up to 128GB MicroSD cards) which can kind of explain the 128GB storage rumor. They also mention that the internal storage on the prototype is MTP access only but the MicroSD can be seen as USB Mass Storage.

it also supports USB Mass Host, and all sorts of LTE frequencies because of the Qualcomm MDM9615 modem.

The photo burst feature also looks crazy, the reviewer is complaining about overheating but hopefully thats all just early prototype issues. Hes also saying that the device might launch with 4.2 instead of 4.1 :|

At this point I'm sincerely a fan, many people don't like the silver power button (including the guy that did this review) I however absolutely love it!

Honestly this is amazing if Sony can launch this in Feb/march, I'll definitely buy it asap.

Go read the whole review its worth it!! Someone should ask the OP to put it up on the first post!
[Xperia Z General] Felimenta97:
I will read it tomorrow. But from the images, it looks beyond amazing (software wise). I want all of that on the JB update for 2012 devices.
[Xperia Z General] batman_112:
Seriously, what the hell is that silver button? It is in such an awkward place!!
[Xperia Z General] dachao:
Power button!
[Xperia Z General] anishs:
The phone is pretty large and thats the power button. I think it makes sense for it to be there because so many people complain about the HTC phones being so large and having their power buttons on the top makes no sense (especially when you try to use them with one hand).

Plus the phone is completely black, its just a total black slab which I find extremely nice.

This creates a problem though, you see when I had a Nexus S my friends usually struggled to find the power button which was expected to be at the top by most people. It was hilarious they would flip the phone over look all around it to find the power button.

So this huge silver button kind of makes sense in my opinion because it immediately draws attention and lets normal people know where the power button is to turn on that hug (apparently beautiful) screen.

TL;DR I think its a design decision that also makes some practical sense. I love it other people don't seem to like it as much.
[Xperia Z General] LitoNi:
if you guys do follow the sony vaio z series, i think its taken from there

http://toptenplus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Sony-Vaio-Z-Series.jpg

it looks okay, but not in my perspective. Could be better if its black.

and the Yuga has 16gb of internal storage. Micro SD Card slot too

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/sony/sony-yuga-c6603/scr/benchmark/screens/087.jpg
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
2GB RAM too?

February launch is what I'm expecting in one UK, been told I'll be getting one then :D
[Xperia Z General] nielneal:
holy ****...this is gonna be rocking.........itz huge.......thank you sony lots of love and respect....jus hope for the battery last the day and can work out with the combination of normal and heavy use it wud sufficed everyone (as the reviewer told abt overheating issue jus hope that issue is gone when the phone is officially launched) ..........m buying this fastest and unique machine as soon as it is arrived in mah country( hope they launch it by feb end or march start........
[Xperia Z General] DdcCabuslay:
I'm really excited now. The new UI looks great and the new features look awesome as well. Sony's been doing their homework.
[Xperia Z General] Knight77:
So guys any idea about the price (euro)?
[Xperia Z General] sidneylopsides:
More than any previous Xperia. I've been told it's the most expensive one they've made.
[Xperia Z General] Knight77:
Yeah I read that, so in your opinion how much?

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