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[Android General] dragontology:
And again I disagree with you, and quite strongly at that. I get what you're saying. But I have a major concern:

By not supporting Motorola devices, XDA would be punishing consumers. This would not hurt Motorola in the least. Motorola is a strong brand. What I'm doing -- exposing their lie about ICS performing poorer on the Sunfire than GB -- is aimed at chipping away at their credibility and viability as a quality smartphone manufacturer. I still grant that they make some of the best hardware, but their software support sucks, and dammit, that is important. Your idea would burn people who went with a brand they trusted. No, we need to embrace and support them. Let them see that the best support for an open source OS comes from the community. That is how it is supposed to work anyway. Motorola won't care because XDA members are such a small percentage of their users. We do not even register.

tl;dr: Motorola won't care, but we'd be hurting the consumer who will. And then what? They just go to Windows Phone or, god forbid, iPhone?
[Android General] matriX1218:
Brother, all I know is XDA is well known forum in the world and people use to see all the possibilities from here only before buying any new or old phone. Whatever we are doing to expose Motorola, we won't be able to compel them to release ICS/JB rom or sources.

If you show them that ICS/JB is working grate, still they are not going to do that for us because if they do so, it will be proved that they lied previously. Till date Moto said to us that there are some performance problems with these devices. So suppose if you show them its working, why they will come to public to cut their own nose????

If moto was generous enough, we might already been gifted with unlock bootloader or sources... But they f*** us for their own good... Still if you expect that they will do it for us then I'm totally negative about it...
[Android General] ronj75:
I'm still voting for a big ass occupy movement outside headquarters lol.

get news coverage that way instead of just websites.
[Android General] matriX1218:
This is what I got in response of releasing source.

All I know is that ultimately we will have to suffer if we don't boycott their new phones.

Sent from my Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
[Android General] GPhoenix:
Likewise, I received the same cut and paste response as well...

An occupy movement probably won't change their minds about releasing an unlocked bootloader if they don't already have one already on hand. Moto and Sprint are willing to let us go in hopes for others to replace us. For Moto, they have the new Razr series of phones. Sprint they have their new Japanese business partners to back them up financially until their new LTE networks have hit other major parts of the country to win over customers on their continued "Unlimited Data" promise and plan.

Even Sprint CEO stated himself that due to the cutover to the new LTE network they are and will expect to lose many of their existing Nextel customers which is okay with him/Sprint.

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Yeah, I don't think an XDA boycott of supporting Motorola phones will hurt them much and would just punished those that have already purchased the phones that do currently get support from the XDA community. What XDA could do is have a list of *recommended* phones or manufacturers but I am not sure about a straight up boycott. Which we as the consumers should do ourselves or maybe host an event outside of their HQ peacefully to destroy our existing moto phones or something of that sort to bring some awareness and get some media coverage.

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I've been out of it lately and on vacation but I saw coverage of our Support My Moto campaign from Beta News that was written last week, have we received any continued coverage or follow-ups as of late?

http://betanews.com/2012/10/22/developers-rise-against-motorola/

I wonder why Microsoft or any other handset manufacturers haven't picked up on this bad news from Motorola and step in to make a commercial or something to win over the disgruntle users affected?
[Android General] ronj75:
Personally i think the fact that they are ignoring it like its going to just go away is insulting.

Not showing up to the Android BBQ was a way to just shrug the whole thing off.

They KNOW there losing customers and they dont care.

I went into my sprint store to pay my bill and straight up told them after my contract is up im gone. asked me why and i told them "your company refuses to support my 8month old phone with updates and motorola flat out pissed on me." the lady laughed and said she has been getting constant complaints and customers ETF'ing their accounts to leave them for someone else.

I'm personally glad they lost millions of dollars this last quarter. A company that doesnt care about its customers doesnt deserve customer loyalty.

The door swings both ways MOTO..

im not sure who im going with next but thier "unlimited data" is crap. within a 40 mile diameter area that i travel ive NEVER gotten a 4g connection. on the contrary i dont get signal at my home unless i go down my driveway to the road.

The photons hardware handles whatever apps i throw at it but without updates for security and performance reasons its just not as good as it should be. The entire sudden bootloader lockdown was a blatant middle finger that i'm not going to ignore.

If i lived near moto's headquarters and punit soni i'd seriousely march in there and throw this phone at their glass doors hoping to shatter it lol.

And i would LOVE to sign a class action lawsuit against them and sprint for breach of contract over the cancelled updates.

yes im angry. i've tried twice with motorola on devices and both times treated like im not worth their time.

screw me once shame on me.. f*^% me twice im gonna shank you lol.
[Android General] Lrs121:
Motorola still has some of the best cell hardware so its not their fault you can't get a connection in your house that's sprints. Otherwise I'm in agreement Motorola has gotten away with too much **** and not taken a major hit for it but unfortunately they've covered their bases to damn well. any kinda law suit would more than likely fall flat on its face.before it could takeoff. So the most anyone can do is keep signing petitions, raising complaints to the fetch, not purchasing their hardware,and recommendeding to others to follow suit.

Sent from my CM10 MX2
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
I am in contact with HTC and am awaiting a response to see if they will match Motorola's $100 trade in program. This is not a perfect solution as it may not cover all markets worldwide but I am still active on this campaign.
[Android General] Lrs121:
Glad to hear that. Its too bad I'm never gonna touch HTC again either. I've had too many network issues with them ... oh well Samsung it is.

Sent from my CM10 MX2
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
I don't have a contact point for sammy. if you or anybody else does then let me know. This applies to any of the other manufactures as well.
[Android General] ronj75:
I know the signal issue is sprint. I was just including that info as to another reason why im leaving sprint after my contract is up.

Moto is claiming the bootloader lock is because of sprint which just adds another nail in the coffin for them with my contract.

I'm wondering if the whole situation could be construed as a violation of terms of service and let me get out of a ETF with sprint to move to verizon or somewhere else??

BTW that samsung galaxy note 2 looks SOOOO SEXXYY!! lol

The asus padfone2 is interesting as an option. I got the photon and *atrix* lapdock hoping to use them together with webtop 3 when ics got released but the whole cancelling trashed that idea and locking my bootloader means no cm10.

now i have a lapdock that im constantly having "unsupported device" issues with even after spending 25$ on cables *didnt want to mod the lapdock but seriousely concidering it now*.
[Android General] Lrs121:
I only have non important contacts in Motorola who.can't do anything unfortunately. And some significant contacts at my carrier.

Sent from my CM10 MX2
[Android General] DoubleYouPee:
Any reply Lokifish? I'm curious since the droid 3 is in fact in the program
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
No word yet from HTC. I'll hit them up again in a couple days.

Why I may go back to flip phones once I finish with this
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Motorola $100 Credit Program that the carriers know nothing about.

"To receive $100 back, you'll need to purchase your new smartphone first. Then mail us your used phone and valid proof-of-purchase (copy of receipt and UPC code), and we'll send you a $100 Motorola Visa Prepaid Card* within 6-8 weeks."

Not a single non-Verizon carrier I have spoken to even knows this exists. I've spoken to other carriers over the phone and visited store locations. Seeing that they do not know about it, they are not telling their customers about it either. Instead customers are getting minimal trade-in value on their phones via the carriers. Nice way to troll your customers yet again Moto.
[Android General] matriX1218:
I'm non US customer but I've contact at Samsung & HTC...

I'll try to hit them too...

Sent from my Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
For those that don't follow me on G+ and completely off subject

Stupidity of the day.

Apple going after Samsung over JB.

Apple also "wants to add 17 devices that could use a stylus even though the products don’t ship with a stylus"

:confused:
[Android General] Lrs121:
there's a reason why apples all about $$$ and that's it

Sent from my CM10 MX2
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Changed OP to cover all phones under the $100 TradeUp Program. Please spread the word and ask other manufacturers to offer a "we got you back" program by matching Moto's $100.
[Android General] dragontology:
Motorola has been updating their Verizon phones to Jelly Bean, and their supporters are now claiming on Facebook that we (or maybe just me) are wrong in that Motorola doesn't update their devices. Social marketing seems to be an important part of Motorola's marketing strategy, and they do interact with users up there. If you have a Facebook page, I recommend "Liking" Motorola on Facebook and responding to their posts, when appropriate. Also link supportmymoto.com, so it's harder for people to say "You're full of it, look, they're updating the Verizon phones, so they'll probably get to you sooner or later." If we get just a few people to say "Wow that's messed up... you know what... Galaxy S3 looks pretty good... Sorry Moto I think I'll get one of those instead, I want a device that will be supported", they will notice. Whether it will matter or not... well it probably won't, but not for lack of trying.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
What's even better is that you can STILL (11/9/12) buy a brand new Electrify ($599.99) and Photon ($349.99) directly from Motorola. Sound like a deal to me.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Yet another non-moto Tegra2 phone gets ICS. This time it's the Samsung Captivate Glide.
[Android General] dragontology:
Why is the Electrify more? That's weird.

And I called it. Some idiot on Ars Technica (forum, not the articles) is spouting off about the RAZR M update and thinking it applies to all Motorola phones, saying we spoke too soon b***hing about our phones not getting an upgrade. Facepalm.
[Android General] Lrs121:
I just realized something. Not only do we have to buy a new phone to be eligible for Motorolas $100 program some of us also have to buy out our contract. And some of us on smaller carriers aren't even eligible cause they 1) don't carry a phone instock for the the buy back or 2) only has phones that are all on the list for moto dropping support for.

Sent from my CM10 MX2
[Android General] dragontology:
Well, yes... Even if Motorola did cheat us and it's all their fault (I'm not convinced it isn't, haha) the fact still remains that if you are on contract, you can't change phones until your contract term is up. That's how it's always been. Now, if your carrier allows it *and* the people at your carrier's store are all cool as hell, they *might* swap your phone straight out, but it would be a long shot. I considered that... that is pretty much something US Cellular would do (they might be the coolest carrier... definitely not the cheapest though) but I thought about it... the only fair trades for both parties would be Motorola Electrify 2 (huge downgrade), HTC Hero S (Evo Design 4G in Sprint-land, a slight downgrade), or Samsung Galaxy S2 (also a slight downgrade). And you know it wouldn't be a new one, it'd have to be refurbished. So I thought about it and realized I already have the best phone in its class, even though it's not getting the upgrade. CM7 or CM10, one has a working camera/camcorder, and the other one is a little bit prettier. I like what I can do with my phone, though. I wouldn't trade it for any of those. Asking for Galaxy S3 or Note 2 (what I really want) would be just plain unreasonable.
[Android General] Lrs121:
I might be able to pull some strings with my carrier but it would be a long shot ill just stick with what I got for another half a year and move on to Sammy land when its up unless I or someone can get a kexec going for my phone

Sent from my CM10 MX2
[Android General] dragontology:
So I'm reading this Google Groups thread about 4.2 releasing and the trend of abandoning devices is even happening in the Nexus line. They're happily talking about GPU and 3G radios not being open and using proprietary drivers, and dropping support for devices. Now those devices are older than Sunfire/Atrix, but still, the Nexus line is supposed to get the updates, and the argument has been made, and has yet to be refuted, that the dropped devices can run 4.2 competently and Google's motivation is strictly commercial here.

I've also made the argument that the Nexus is not the "open" platform Android fans say it is. I get a lot of **** for it, and much of it is deserved, but somebody has to. If you live in America but you don't live in a huge city, AT&T and T-Mobile are probably your worst choices, but your only choices if you want a Nexus. US Cellular seems to be the best for coverage since it can roam freely on Verizon and Sprint, but I believe one of those can roam on US Cellular as well (not sure what all they can roam on). So a US Cellular world phone can pretty much go anywhere any phone can go, unless there are areas covered by T-Mobile or AT&T that no CDMA carrier covers. But US Cellular is probably the most expensive, and may not be available in your area.

So I'm beginning to wonder if Android itself isn't the problem. I mean, the software itself isn't to blame, but the whole ecosystem around it is toxic. If US Cellular can get the Lumia 920, I will be highly tempted to simply leave Android behind. I've spent a bit of money on custom apps, but I don't think there's much I can't do on Windows Phone 8. WP8 is locked down, but people who have WP7 love it (is WP8 out yet?) and my computer and my wife's game console are both Microsoft-ran (Windows 7 and Xbox 360). Three of a kind is an attractive combo. Like an iPhone and an iMac. Android doesn't really have any gadgets to "pair" with, you get no benefit from also running Linux (except maybe you learn more about *nix file systems and command line stuff). I dunno. I have a year to think about it, and a year for Motorola, Google, Samsung, and all the others to change quite a bit. Who knows how things will look when it's time to upgrade?
[Android General] GPhoenix:
That is no beuno! But then with hundreds growing on to thousands of Android devices from phones, tablets, and tv boxes to hack and provide updates for eventually one of our devices will be left in the dust. But I am surprised that a Nexus branded device would fall off the officially supported ASOP wagon already with the Nexus One and S?
[Android General] Sleepy!:
Totally agree.

The whole contract game is a bit idiotic, IMO.

Samsung won't release Exynos sources.

HTC locked up their latest update .zips.

Motorola- they just don't care. You buy a frikkin Moto, you make a mistake.

Qualcomm and Nvidia are closed source too, AFAIK.

It seems the whole ecosystem is slowly transitioning from Open Handset Alliance to CLOSED Handset Alliance.

WinMo never looked more appealing, especially the Lumia 920.
[Android General] matriX1218:
No update on our campaign!!!

Till date no response. :banghead:

Sent from my Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
[Android General] GPhoenix:
Here is an update...we finally breached the 15,000 signatures needed for one of our petitions! To be specific we got 15,197 as of now. Not sure what that will mean (honesty not much) since we already know Moto will not honor anything unless we have a lawyer represent us. I'll try and contact the author of the petition to see what are the next steps after the Thanksgiving holiday.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone who celebrates it. Let's be thankful that we have nice shiny devices to be grateful for regardless if we are not on ICS/JB and have a springboard such as XDA and other avenues to voice our opinions and gripes to these large corps about our displeasures. ;D
[Android General] dragontology:
Good article from a cool blog, relevant to our interests.
[Android General] matriX1218:
Another Motofail...

Another #Motofail

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/motorola-mobility-officially-shuts-down-its-indian-website/307440-11.html
[Android General] matriX1218:
Punit Soni has confirmed once again on G+ that there is no change in update schedule...

Sent from my Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
[Android General] ronj75:
I highly doubt hes going to change anything. hes hoping we all just get bored and go away.

What we have to do is somehow turn up the heat on them.

Give them more bad publicity over the matter. Maybe even take legal action.

Better Business Bureau is total bs. i haven't gotten a response since i complained and rejected their copy paste explanation.

Honestly i think their bootloader lock-down slowed my phone. I've been noticing it lagging a bit here and there since then and i haven't installed anything new since then.

Going to do a full backup and manufacturer reset and see if that helps.

Agree'd that just slamming on Google+ isn't the right path but something has to be done to bring more media into this.

I wonder if getting it mentioned on TWIT or something like that would help?
[Android General] Lrs121:
No it wont really change much. The only real way to get some real pressure put on them would be to get a major news corporation to publish an article on it and cite our out rage to it. On a side note I finally got a reply to my moto eis. It took them almost two months to send a copy paste response rejecting it. And all I asked for was a release on the open source only software and possibly an unlocked bootloader WITH permission from my carrier.
[Android General] bitbang3r:
Forget news articles about angry consumers. Corporations like Motorola will yawn with amusement.

If you *really* want to beat the crap out of Motorola & make 'em bleed, get them lampooned on SNL, the Daily Show, or (wet dream) Southpark... where it'll take on a life of its own & live forever on reruns, disc, and PPV :)

Imagine: Kenny tries to crack the bootloader on his Photon, a Scientology guy appears on the screen warning him to stop because it's forbidden by Motorola, then the bootloader's countermeasures kick in & the phone electrocutes him. Five seconds later, a bus with "Sick German Fetish Tours" stops, someone gets off, grabs the phone, and the screen cracks from the horrors its new owner tries to watch online :D
[Android General] dragontology:
Calling it right now. I have the best caption on a Motorola picture on Facebook.

The image: Imgur link

My caption: This poor guy can't catch a break. First Motorola leaves him out in the cold because he wasn't on Verizon, so his Photon didn't get the ICS upgrade. So he switched to Verizon, now he has to go out in the rain to get signal down the street. That's harsh, Moto. Harsh.
[Android General] GPhoenix:
Haha funny Dark!
[Android General] dragontology:
It gets better. "Like" Motorola on Facebook to see their new campaign against Samsung. They are saying that, with both phones on Verizon's 4G network, the Razr Maxx HD downloads 49% faster than the GS3. I casually pointed out that the GS*2* has JB, which was the Samsung equivalent to the Electrify and Photon 4G.

I don't "Like" Motorola on Facebook just to troll them... I "Liked" them because I'm actually a fan of the company in general, though, obviously not their decision to not support our phones. I won't be buying another one because updates are important to me (and switching to Verizon is not an option) (and the Note 2 is bad ass, and I'm almost certain its successor will have 1080p... Note 3 running Paranoid... *drool*) but I still like the hardware build quality. And they made my first cell phone (v120). And they're just a legendary old tech company, and they're American. That's one thing people overlook. Samsung and HTC are Asian, and Apple is American, so does that make the iPhone the American smartphone? No, it does not. It might be the American luxury electronic device, but the American smartphone is a Motorola. (They're all built overseas, I just mean where the company is from.)
[Android General] sad_but_cool1:
Motorola almost have no market share in middle east in smart phones,it just sold some xoom's tablets .I think I'm the only stupid guy who use Motorola Android phone (ATRIX 2) here,this will be the last moto handset.

I tried to sell it but no one knows about it ! Few ppl just knows about RAZR and RAZR maxx,but no ATRIX nor photon.. etc.
[Android General] viniciusconfig:
Brazil needs help!

We of Brazil, we are hostages of the cell with little internal memory. the whole world knows that taxes here are absurd. then bought a Motorola XT305 MotoSmart ME, practically equal to XT390. It has 800mhz, 448mb memory, and 126mb of memory available to the User. It has compatibility with several games being the Motorola Defy Mini has less processing, and runs all free games.

And here in the forum, I can't find

MotoSmart ME

topics.

We of Brazil, we need help.
[Android General] Sleepy!:
Did you make this account just to complain on this thread?:eek::eek::eek:

Moto is deaf.

It doesn't listen.

Go get Sony.

Or maybe Samsung.
[Android General] viniciusconfig:
yeah. I followed the tutorial posted here, that using ADB.

I could only locate the device and boot it.

Because of that I decided to post here.

Google translator
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Light at the end of the tunnel?
[Android General] Lrs121:
Not necessarily, some devices have a person or two doing bug fixes for many devices when people let them know there's serious issues with the phone. They still have to do a batch test before they release the bug fixes to the public
[Android General] atsuisofu:
Any word back from them?
[Android General] TTLayland:
Why does Moto have the Atrix HD dev edition on the bootloader unlock site?

Isnt it already unlocked?

Let me unlock my damn AHD already. I dont care about the warranty.
[Android General] Lrs121:
From what I understand is that the dev edition has something different then the stock ones you get though the carrier that allow unlocking. Even though they have a site up for unlocking it doesn't mean they want your phone to be able to be unlocked just that they want developers to have a chance to develop apps for phones they don't really care about android os developers. If they didn't care about that they'd make all their phones unlock able except for the phones on Verizon unfortunately.