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[Galaxy Note II General] htc6500uk:
The Galaxy Note II (N7100) definitely does NOT handle 4G. The good news is that it does handle HSDPA+ which is in "real world" tests gives 4G a good run for its money without the price premium. EE are expected to charge around £15 a month on top of their existing 3G tariffs per month for their 4G with data caps.

Late last night, Ofcom, EE, Vodafone and O2 agreed a faster rollout of 4G in the UK with EE4G starting in the next few weeks in some cities. Vodafone and O2 will bid for new frequencies early next year and hope to be up and running by Spring 2013. EE will therefore have a lead of around 20 weeks but are expected to insist on a minimum term contract of 12 months.

I am staying with HSDPA on 3 and will see what competition does to prices next year and what real world performance and coverage is like. Others can risk their money being Guinea Pigs!

EE will be offering the 4G version of the Note II (N7105) for customers prepared to pay for an extended contract. It will be available from EE from October 15th.

I have just ordered the N7100!
[Galaxy Note II General] RambJoe:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/47806/samsung-galaxy-note-2-lte-ee-uk-4g

15th October
[Galaxy Note II General] mancuk29:
U can tether on all u can eat data ...
[Galaxy Note II General] htc6500uk:
Whilst this is possible it is specifically NOT permitted under their terms and conditions.

Three only permit tethering on their mobile data packages intended for laptops and myfi devices. If you try to use an "all you can eat" phone sim in a myfi device from Three, it does not work. Despite this, it is possible to tether a phone even though it is not officially allowed.

Needless to say, the data SIM route is more expensive than the "all you can eat" packages intended for unfettered phones.
[Galaxy Note II General] dk206:
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Are you sure about this?

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php

On there the N7100 supports 4G!

Arghhh this is so confusing. I'm currently finished my contract with Orange and just on a roll-on contract with them. And want to use their upgraded EE's 4G and 3G signal.

Are you sure N7100 doesn't have 4G embedded? The GSM website differs..
[Galaxy Note II General] Chivalryyyy:
Can everyone on 3 network just give me am idea of the download speed you get with your phones on HSPDA (or + if you get it) ?

I'm on t mobile ATM but thinking of jumping ship...
[Galaxy Note II General] foxmeister:
Have to agree with this.

Where I live and work these days, I won't see 4G LTE for at least a couple of years, so the lack of LTE in the Note II makes no difference to me.

Coupled with the fact that I'd rather have truly unlimited 3G from Three, as opposed to what is likely to be a tiered data plan on 4G from EE, LTE just isn't a required feature for me at present. Given the current data plans from Orange and TMo, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the data limits for EE's LTE were quite low and expensive - even a 5GB data plan won't last long at LTE speeds if you're really going to use LTE as it is intended.

Also, EE's LTE at 1800MHz isn't going to have great indoor penetration when compared to the LTE at 800MHz that we will see once the spectrum is auctioned off next year, so I'd rather wait for something better.

Ordered my Note II from Three yesterday, as my contract was coming to an end. I fully expect to replace it this time next year, despite the fact I will have to pay full price as I'll only be a year into the contract, so it's not as if I will be 'stuck' for two years anyway! ;)

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note II General] gasketum:
Doesn't this mean it won't support 4G?

http://www.samsung.com/uk/news/localnews/2012/uk-availability-of-samsung-galaxy-note-ii-announced

Specifically:

Network

3G: HSPA+ 21Mbps (HSDPA 21Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps)
[Galaxy Note II General] htc6500uk:
Still no news on how much extra or data limits for using 4G features though!
[Galaxy Note II General] EmptyArea:
The phone shop guys all use gsmarena for their tech knowledge, they wouldn't know what the exact model number is. Not the sales reps. But so long as it's called lte not the miss used `4G` you should be fine. Of cause EE might believe that 99.9% of their customers wouldn't give it a seconds thought if their phone was only hspa+, but that would just be wrong right..?
[Galaxy Note II General] jah:
My local Orange shop told me the model number for the Note 2 will be the same for the 3G and LTE, models'
[Galaxy Note II General] stoney73:
Your local orange shop is telling you porkies.
[Galaxy Note II General] RambJoe:
Well EE are announcing their plans on Tuesday.

Do you all think they will charge more for it?

I've ordered my Note 2 on the £36 Full Monty, if I can get a plan for that same price (with unlimited internet still) I will switch straight away.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
If the new price plans arrive Tuesday & you find you would have been better off waiting for any reason you will still have the right to cancel & take out the new deal.

Obviously because you have the option to do that its likely they will just adjust what you paid up front (either way) & the monthly payment to match the new plan, rather than have you send the phone back & send you out another.

I'm going to guess the 4G plans will be as cheap as the current plans BUT the caps will not reflect the potential data useage & that's where they will collect big time.
[Galaxy Note II General] RambJoe:
Yeah I'm in a pretty good position as I will likely receive the phone shortly after Tuesday.
[Galaxy Note II General] lawtq:
Well someone on another forum has their T-mobile note 2 lte and they report the model number as n7105 as we all knew. Even a rep from samsung told me it'd be n7100. So many clueless reps around!
[Galaxy Note II General] jah:
Found a picture of the Note II LTE here

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=22997126
[Galaxy Note II General] Chrissssssss:
Decided I couldn't wait so ordered the Note II with Buymobilephones.net. Had an email 10pm last night to say it will be 10-15 days before they get more stock then had an email this afternoon to say it's been dispatched :D Woo, can't wait!

When are the LTE phones being shipped for T-Mobile?
[Galaxy Note II General] lawtq:
Yesterday!
[Galaxy Note II General] ash_c64:
Got my text for delivery for monday 15:00-18:00 ye....
[Galaxy Note II General] RambJoe:
Yeah got my text saying Monday 09:00 to 12:00

Very shocked as they were out of stock on Friday when I called and they said it could take up to a week.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pyr0x64:
Got a txt earlier too, expecting delivery tomorrow before 12 :)
[Galaxy Note II General] EmptyArea:
Hmm £599 for the sim free version is too high, hopefully I'll get a 32gb LTE version before christmas for under £500 (if not 450!).
[Galaxy Note II General] wrapper:
When did you guys order? And is it titanium or white?
[Galaxy Note II General] stoney73:
By that time you may aswell wait for the s4 lte.
[Galaxy Note II General] RambJoe:
I ordered on Friday, they were out of stock when I ordered, as the first batch was sold out. I went for the Titanium Grey.

The S4 might be newer, but will it have the S Pen with all the Note features?
[Galaxy Note II General] wrapper:
Cool thanks, I haven't had the text but I called and he said they're expecting stock tomorrow.
[Galaxy Note II General] ash_c64:
Thursday then called on friday to confrim, titanium grey, when I called they only had a few left of the titanium grey.
[Galaxy Note II General] EmptyArea:
@stoney It's about what a phone "can do", not about what "it has". The two are so closely causally linked that they're often confused. So far the biggest thing which the Note 2 can't do is compete on the dev scene which is LAME.
[Galaxy Note II General] stoney73:
Whats lame is buying a phone for what it 'might' do if someone, somewhere hacks something, not what it already does.
[Galaxy Note II General] jah:
Post photos of GT-N7105 model number

For those people getting the UK LTE Note 2 on T-Mobile, please someone post a photo showing the model number as rescorded under the battery, please. I can then use this to show CPW that the GT-N7100 they sold me is not really an LTE device ;) Thanks in advance.
[Galaxy Note II General] EmptyArea:
I already know from my other devices how important Dev support is, where as I doubt I'll need a processor with better hardware. Fortunately Samsung may have just redeemed theirselves, let`s hope it`s not too littl nor too late.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pyr0x64:
I placed my initial order on Tuesday 16th for titanium grey.

Got the morning off work, so will post a couple quick pics when it arrives if nobody else posts some first
[Galaxy Note II General] BlackCatFTM:
Upgrade by phone on Friday. Was told the phone will be with me on Tuesday.

The wife has just text me and the Note 2 LTE has just arrived :eek:

No tracking number of anything. Nice start to the week mind!
[Galaxy Note II General] olisun39:
Did you get any offers on the upgrade?
[Galaxy Note II General] BlackCatFTM:
No offers unfortunately. Same price as new customer.

Could have dug my heals in a bit more, but was quite desperate to get this phone as soon as possible after being screwed over by phones4u 3 weeks ago when trying to get a Note 2. Just relieved the saga is over now.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pyr0x64:
Model number is N7105
[Galaxy Note II General] olisun39:
Seems the EE pricing has been leaked and they are not consumer friendly.

http://www.stuff.tv/news/phone/rumour-mill/ee-4g-pricing-leaks-ahead-of-official-announcement

Use google's cache...
[Galaxy Note II General] ash_c64:
Hi where did you get the screen protector from? it seems it covers most of the screen.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pyr0x64:
thats just the standard packaging screen protector which has logo and writing over it

[edit] fixed
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
All a PR stunt i imagine, leak the prices a bit high today, then tomorrow announce slightly lower prices to make it look even better. :D
[Galaxy Note II General] RambJoe:
Wow, got mine today and it has no S-Pen. What a joke.
[Galaxy Note II General] jah:
Mine arrived as well. The glass seems better than the one on my 3G Note 2 from CPW.
[Galaxy Note II General] RambJoe:
T-mobile said my S-Pen will take up to 10 days to arrive... unbelievable. Been waiting since August for this phone, and when I get it, I am probably the only person out of millions to not get an S-Pen.
[Galaxy Note II General] weasley:
Bloody tmobile charged me £5.40 for delivery. Luckily i checked my dispatch note. Disputed with CS where they willing to refund the charge.
[Galaxy Note II General] mrvanx:
Well after what could be described as A TOTAL F**!ING FARSE in the tmobile store today I finally got the Note II.

See the attached photos for comparison against the Desire Z I have.

Just got to wait on my screen protector, case and micro SIM card (Which cheeky in-store staff in York were going to charge £10 for!!!!).

Have to say generally that tmobile have been particularly aweful, the wait times on the 150 phone line are rediculous!!! This may be the last time I renew my contract with them if it carries this trend on.
[Galaxy Note II General] exparanoia:
What LTE bands is that phone running btw?
[Galaxy Note II General] mrvanx:
Not sure, leaving the handset in the box until the screen protector etc... arrives.

Anyone else!?!?
[Galaxy Note II General] lawtq:
God thats willpower! Love my tmobile LTE note 2 getting 18meg 3g download speeds :laugh:
[Galaxy Note II General] stoney73:
If you phone t-mobile CS they will credit the £10.21 to your account beforehand. I have two lines, and got CS to credit my account for £20.42 to compensate for the shop charging for micro-sims, then I just took my existing normal sized sims to a mate with a sim cutting tool(because the t-mobile shops in Nottingham were unable to issue new micro-sims due to an equipment failure) and all is well.
[Galaxy Note II General] RambJoe:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/22/ee-details-uk-4g-pricing/

What a joke, 500MB data limit for £36 a month.

We should all just send our 4G phones back to T-mobile to show how pathetic this is.
[Galaxy Note II General] automoveis:
Why not sub-forum for N7105?
[Galaxy Note II General] pjfriend:
This just made me certain that I made the right choice by leaving T-Mobile and not waiting for an LTE phone. Any data restrictions on a 4G contract seem bonkers.
[Galaxy Note II General] jah:
Just managed 20mb ;) download on speed test in Farmborough
[Galaxy Note II General] Chivalryyyy:
Is there any reason why the note 2 is reaching 18/20 Mb download speeds on 3g , and my galaxy s2 usually only tops out at around 1.5 mb, I'm also on t mobile....

Is the phone actually so much faster due to some hardware or is it just Leicester that's a crappy area?
[Galaxy Note II General] supahoops:
Has anyone bought the N7105 sim free from a uk store?
[Galaxy Note II General] lawtq:
I have no idea why its reaching these speeds but its great. My 18mb is on 3uk
[Galaxy Note II General] Surreytoon:
Hey lawtq

How have you gone about getting a N7105 on 3uk? I want to do the same and trying to work out the most cost effective way.

Thanks
[Galaxy Note II General] pjfriend:
As far as I'm aware T-Mobile only use HSPA while Three max out at HSPA+ which theoretically has double the data rate.
[Galaxy Note II General] Lennyuk:
Early signs seem to be that LTE on EE and H+ on Three will give roughly the same speeds.

WE won't see what LTE can really do (because it is capable of so much more) until all the networks have their own crack at it (another 2 years time most likely).

but on the pricing and data caps at EE.... LOL!
[Galaxy Note II General] Burko:
Looking at this logically I assume you could do the following....

Take out a T-Mobile contract today with a Galaxy Note 2 on a £36 18 month contract. Pay around £100-£150 for the phone.

On the 30th, move to EE's £36 per month sim only contract, which gives you free calls, texts and 5gb internet.

Seems fairly decent value to me, as long as you can get that deal on 18 months, not sure I want to be tied in for 2 years.
[Galaxy Note II General] pjfriend:
I'm happy to be corrected but the £36 plan is for 500 meg. Seems atrocious value.
[Galaxy Note II General] olisun39:
Just read this

" If you run out of data, you won’t be able to use the internet and you’ll need to buy a data add-on to use the internet until you next bill date. You’ll be charged the full cost of the data add-on no matter when you buy it and when your bill date occurs. Any unused data will not be rolled over and you’ll lose it. "​
[Galaxy Note II General] Lennyuk:
I don't think T-mobile will let you leave to EE that easily for free, if your not too far into an existing contract they are not just going to write off the costs of the phone and network that you signed up to (2 year contract), even if you are moving to a new 2 year deal within the same group of companies.

You won't be able to get the LTE variant of the Note2 on t-mobile, you would have to get that sim-free or on an EE contract
[Galaxy Note II General] Burko:
I was reading this, it seems to suggest that if you have already signed up with T-Mobile with a 4g ready phone, you can move to one of these tariffs...?

ALREADY GOT A 4G READY PHONE?

OUR SIM ONLY PLANS GIVE YOU 4GEE TO GO WITH IT. All 4GEE SIM ONLY PLANS COME WITH UNLIMITED CALLS AND TEXTS.

500MB £21

1GB £26

3GB £31

5GB £36

You’ll need a 4G ready phone that’s compatible with our 4G network. By compatible, we mean it’s a 4G phone that you’ve bought either directly from Orange or T-Mobile. Or on those networks through an indirect retailer. The exception is an iPhone 5. Any iPhone 5 bought from Apple, Carphone Warehouse or Phones4U in the UK can also get 4GEE
[Galaxy Note II General] Lennyuk:
£36 a month, contract + phone tariff is 500mb

I believe there is a £36 sim only (you need your own LTE phone) tariff that has more data, but I have not seen it confirmed by EE themselves yet.
[Galaxy Note II General] nasedo73:
Unlimited in T-Mobile is still a joke, with their Fair Use Policy, where you have 1GB allowance + 1GB for night owls (between midnight and 10 am). What is a purpose having extra-speed-device with so ridiculous download limit?

I had a chance to check new-extra-prices in EE... and it seems for me like another joke. Internet limits? No, thanks.

For me, currently Three is only one option. Unlimited internet, tethering without any problems. H+ (where available) speed. What else could be expected?
[Galaxy Note II General] Burko:
There is so much wrong with what you have said here that I dont know where to start.

EE have said you can move for free when they launch if you are on a t-mobile contract and have a 4g ready phone, as 4g ready phones only came out in the last few weeks, people cant physically be very far into their contracts.

T-Mobile sell the LTE Note 2 on their website

You've already paid the initial outlay for the phone, so essentially all you're doing is moving contract.

All of this is on their website....
[Galaxy Note II General] pjfriend:
Cheers. I took it that you'd carry on the EE contract from T-Mobile or Orange for as long as you had left with them. i.e. been signed up for a month with T-Mobile you have 23 months left on a non sim-only plan. Seemed too good to be true otherwise.
[Galaxy Note II General] ChrisFilter:
Hi all.. I've been reading the thread with interest as I was planning on buying out of my O2 contract and getting the Note II LTE with EE. If what I'm reading is correct, the standard Note II with HDSPA+ is nearly as good a user experience. Is this the case? And is it just Three who offer HDSPA+, or do O2 offer it as well?

Thanks in advance,
[Galaxy Note II General] zero.fx:
Hey, if I am correct. I remember you from the Dell Streak forum.
[Galaxy Note II General] Lennyuk:
O2 should offer H+, at least I had it on giffgaff.....

Orange offer H+, Three offer H+

I think all the networks should offer it these days.
[Galaxy Note II General] ChrisFilter:
Cool, thanks Lenny. I might just stick with O2 and get the non-LTE version then. Looks like it'll save me some cash, and I can switch to 4G when it's more available.
[Galaxy Note II General] pjfriend:
This is from a WIKI entry:

United Kingdom

3 is currently rolling out HSPA+ 21.1Mbit/s, aiming to have 80% of its network upgraded by the end of 2011.[10]

Orange UK have released a HSPA+ compatible dongle the Huawei 367 and they are now offering HSPA+

O2 UK have rolled out HSPA+ (also known as 3G900) in the major cities, e.g. London, Birmingham, Manchester and are still releasing for other areas.

Vodafone UK have rolled out HSPA+ on their network

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HSPA%2B_networks

Sorry, not me. Been on XDA a while but not had a Streak.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
EE tariffs released today, i will not be taking out a 4G contract :)
[Galaxy Note II General] Surreytoon:
Does the N7100 (NON LTE) support HSPA+ though, or only the N7105 LTE?
[Galaxy Note II General] pjfriend:
The 7100 has it. Mine's flashing it off now.
[Galaxy Note II General] pjfriend:
Lots of possible reasons but contention ratio (how many other people using the same data pipe at the same time as you) is most likely if you're in a good signal area.

I'm on Three and don't have a great signal at home. I only get about the same as you, dependant on where I am in the house.
[Galaxy Note II General] mrvanx:
And heres the link (which would have been nice :))

http://ee.co.uk/plans#section-phones

I honestly think they arent too bad for a release tarrif (home broadband first prices anyone??). They will drop in price naturally once 4G matures.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
I found it difficult to avoid the tariff price story its even on the BBC news app, i honestly thought a link would be overkill :D

As for the tariffs, i use 500mb a day sometimes & that's on slow old 3G ....

Forget EE's quoted monthly tariff prices, the evil is in the "add ons".
[Galaxy Note II General] mrvanx:
Well ive turned it on atlast (still waiting on my micro SIM though).

Has anyone applied the OTA update yet????
[Galaxy Note II General] EmptyArea:
Am i the only one that thinks EE`s lte is inline (if not below) expectations? Dont get me wrong youd need 3gig minimum otherwise youve no business getting lte.
[Galaxy Note II General] Pat.:
I predict some horror stories when it comes to the data use.
[Galaxy Note II General] EmergencyMedic:
He he, EE have already managed to get onto Watchdog - data caps being the main topic - on the basic (£36 pm) plan you could use your entire data allowance in 15mins - I'm going to stick with 3 one plan, yeah it's a bit slower but it's TRULEY unlimited and includes tethering. TBH I've never had problems with 3G in a good reception area - can easily stream iplayer etc - enough for me. For movies, firstly you'd need a very expensive data plan, and secondly - use the SD - not much use if anything else as we can put apps on it!
[Galaxy Note II General] htc6500uk:
I think we're likely to see a lot more on Watchdog about EE 4G. Already I have read a number of posts elsewhere that the Orange and T-mobile data speeds seem to have slowed. The suspicion seems to be that bandwidth previously available for 3G has been taken away to be allocated to EE 4G.
[Galaxy Note II General] EmptyArea:
That's not a suspicion.
[Galaxy Note II General] FloatingFatMan:
My speeds are -definitely- down on what they used to be, but I'd put that down to cell issues. If they've hogged BW for their 4G turd, I'm not going to be amused.
[Galaxy Note II General] EmptyArea:
I thought that they got permission from ofcom to use some of their existing 3g band for 4g...

Hence the whole fiasco.
[Galaxy Note II General] FloatingFatMan:
Using frequency bands they already own shouldn't affect bandwidth on the bands in use for 3G.
[Galaxy Note II General] pjfriend:
They were supposed to reuse redundant bandwidth from the merge. EE spokesman on 5 Live just flat denied an issue.
[Galaxy Note II General] olisun39:
Or 3G is being throttled to force people to take up 4G
[Galaxy Note II General] EmptyArea:
Wouldn't the 3g hardware be moved from it's optimum position to make way for 4g stuff.

Bandwidth of OTA signals doesn't have to be affected but signal strength and wired bandwidth could still be.
[Galaxy Note II General] opentoideas:
they have to get some hardware out to customers first. been waiting almost a week for the LTE handset from T-Mobile with no news as to when they might get more from Samsung.

I dont even want the LTE as the 4G options are no where near where I would be willing to pay but since they only offer the LTE handset and the upgrade deal was good I decided to stay.

If they dont get them by the time my contract ends in a couple of weeks I see no reason to keep waiting and if the already poor data speeds drop on 3G thats just another nail in the coffin.
[Galaxy Note II General] podface:
Will a 4g enabled note 2 or iphone 5 from hong kong work on EE 4g network
[Galaxy Note II General] EmergencyMedic:
Probably not - you'll need to check the frequencies

The Time I Enjoy Wasting Is Not Time Wasted
[Galaxy Note II General] podface:
Is the frequncy for EE 1800mhz or are there others

---------- Post added at 10:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:41 PM ----------

it says the note 2 4g is

Network standard: LTE (1800/2600MHz) + UMTS (850/900/1900/2100MHz) + GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz)

so im guessing it will work?

also i looked on here http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/ and im pretty sure that means the iphone 4g will work in the uk
[Galaxy Note II General] olisun39:
Yes it will work if 1800mhz is part of the specs but remember almost all the Telco companies are eyeing the 800mhz frequency and you may lose on it if you plan to switch providers.