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[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
UPDATE:

"Update My Moto" has closed their campaign. Their site now redirects to supportmymoto.com. Even though I felt the leak was not enough, as it only covered a very limited number of devices, I stated that I would support their decision.

With supportmymoto.com (yours truly) attending the Big Android BBQ, please bump the various threads and spread the word.

Yet another reason to spread the word!

FBI warns users of mobile malware

Google is stated as saying the following;

"Google is aware of this and new features on its latest Android mobile OS -- Jelly Bean 4.1 -- aim to beef up the system's security over past OS iterations. With Jelly Bean's design, Google hopes to defend against hacks that install viruses, along with other malware."

Again, the call goes out to supporters to spread the word and I hope to see some of you at the Big Android BBQ!
[Android General] jrevans:
Forwarded

Done. You should have received a forwarded copy of my Motorola response at your gmail address. If not, check your spam folder....
[Android General] matriX1218:
I've bombarded all Punit Soni's post on G+... Seems like he is really fed up...

As of now the only thing I can say is that Motorola don't care about us and They'll never... The only way to hit their sales is no support for their new products... I know you people will say I'm wrong or you all have individual logic but I'm totally against Motorola's new phone support...

If we withdraw support for new phones, it'll the most effective news in the world of mobile because everybody knows XDA...

Guys, please don't put me wrong but "We have to take some hard decisions so that all products get updates smoothly" :p

Sent from Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
[Android General] Alaq:
I'm a writer for xda-blog. Atricle here.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Thank you! I'll add to our coverage list!
[Android General] VipeRsan:
Ok few weeks more (Future plans coming soon) and maybe we can get some answers:
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
My reply to his post;

+Punit Soni Being on the opposite side of the table, I agree there is a "right way" and understand both the customer's anger and your frustrations well. I knew when I started the campaign that it would be a process that may take some time as many things are broken at Moto and fixing. It cannot be done overnight. I also understand the need for "personal space" and that has been my reason for repeated requests that your personal posts be considered "off limits". If there is anything I can do from my side to make this less of a brawl and more a cooperation, feel free to contact me. I hope your next 30 days goes better than your first 30.﻿

In case of TL;DR;

I've been there. I was a "fixer" in a corporate environment and fully understand the nightmare he has inherited. I do not envy him at all. I also do not see him as the enemy but a man with a very tough job on "the other side of the table".
[Android General] dragontology:
You're doing it right. Better you than me. I've avoided Mr Soni's G+ page because my snarkiness would not go over well with even an American. If the assumption based on his name is correct, that English isn't his first language, I might come across as offensive, which wouldn't be my intention. I'm an ass, but a well-meaning one.

Anyway, the topic was raised (over on Reddit) that 99% of users don't care about the bootloader being locked. My reply (meant to be well-meaning, a little snarky though):

In short, it's easy for outsiders to marginalize us as wanting to do something that 99% of cell phone (and even of smartphone, given the iPhone's popularity) users don't care about. But it's not about running a custom ROM (although that is a nice benefit). It's about staying abreast of security updates. First and foremost that should be our first goal. We don't want JB because it's fun (though that's cool too) we want it because it's got the latest fixes. We may not all agree, but I think that goal should be on point. It can't be refuted. We paid $100-$300 (more?) for these phones up front and have paid hundreds, maybe over $1000 for them. My wife and I pay US Cellular about $200 a month (more minutes than we need, unlimited SMS/MMS, 5GB data each) and we've had them for 8 months now. We paid $150 each, so we've each paid $950 for ours. By August, when we qualify for new-customer pricing, we'll have paid $1950 for each of them. That is insane. So yes, the entitlement of security updates is justified.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Joke of the Day!

How do you install the Google Calender App on an 8 month old Tegra2 Moto?

You hit it with a hammer and by a 2 year old HTC Incredible S!

(Out of 44 phones released by major manufacturers in 2011 that have been upgraded to ICS or better, only two are Moto's. This isn't even including the Nexus line. HTC, LG, Samsung and even ZTE, of all people, seem to be able to upgrade their Tegra2 phone to ICS. WTF Moto!)
[Android General] GPhoenix:
I am only hoping that Soni makes a personal connection with Lokifish to give us some positive news in the coming weeks. It is a far fetch but that is all I think we can hold our hopes up to. Have fun at the BBQ Loki rocking the Support My Moto T-Shirt! =)
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
I have been informed by a fairly reliable source that Motorola has also lost their cellphone contracts with a number of branches of the U.S. Military. Verification will be very difficult on this but my projected losses of 60 million dollars for Motorola may be more real than first anticipated.
[Android General] matriX1218:
Hip hip hurray... Seems :D

Sent from Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
[Android General] dragontology:
Also, Moto posted a $527 (?) million loss this quarter. Had nothing to do with us I'm sure, but it made me smile a little. Actually more than likely hurts our chances of getting ICS or an unlock but it still feels like Karma at work.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
my wife was just put on watch duty about 10mins ago so no BBQ for her. :(

now i have an extra ticket. anybody between oklahoma city and hurst,tx (or can meet me there) that wants to go, contact me. no shwag just entry, fair price-$10. If your a dev, free!
[Android General] GenesisFactor:
Congrats on the bbq. You earned your spot there! I'm all caught up now on what's been happening. You're awesome Lokifish! I knew about it from the 4th, but i didn't know you start building your own army lol!
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
ICING ON THE CAKE (having a really bad day so far)

From Th3Bill;

well, I guess that we're kinda SOL for the Photon to use the libs from Atrix without source.

Got that little nugget of info from Joker (jokersax)

(I was going to play nice at the BBQ put gloves are off at this point. I will be civil, but for those going, do not expect to see more than that in any dealings I may have with Moto)
[Android General] dragontology:
I just started spamming Motorola with the Electrify: Stock vs. JB video. Well not spamming them per se, just posting it on their status messages on Facebook. I wonder how much of it they'll put up with before they bar me from commenting (LifeHacker did this and I never knew why, so I know Pages can do it). Oh well, I'll get the information out (and be civil about it -- I'm an ass, but I'm using my real name and trying to be professional about it) to as many people as possible before they do. And if they want the information censored, at least we know they know they're lying about ICS/JB performance, and that's something.
[Android General] ronj75:
who from moto is spose to be at the bbq anyway??

I'd faint if soni was lol
[Android General] dragontology:
Loki, if it's not too late, here's a version of the video specially formatted for Android. x264 video, bitrate 1000, twice encoded, 192k aac audio, mp4 container, 800x480. I encode videos for my phone using these settings and they all play flawlessly in any app I use (I prefer MX Player, but the stock video player should be good enough). That way you don't have to use YouTube and tie up your data connection, or download it and use a version converted through a few formats. Quality on this is probably a little better too.
[Android General] mtnlion:
If would please add the Atrix2 mb865 to your list of affected devices. We're getting the shaft on jellybean.

https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
[Android General] matriX1218:
Another device abandoned... Welcome to the betrayed family... :mad:

Sent from Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
[Android General] alteredlikeness:
I see that my buddy mtlion beat me here with the updated news from moto (which I actually learned from jim)... so, my original post and offer still stands - how can we help?
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
To the Atrix2 owners wanting yet another major software version update,

Keep in mind that one major software version update is the standard for most Android devices. Atrix2 owners have already received that update and are on ICS. Neither the Electrify or Photon have even gotten that at this point. Such updates also generaly take place within the standard two year contract period of carriers in the US. In the case of the Photon, it was discontinued by the carrer only six months after release. I am trying not to make this an "If your phone can run it you should get it" campaign as if that was the case, Hero owners should be screaming for ICS from HTC.

You also have to keep in mind that I am exhausted. Simply getting the info on phones released in 2011 was over 60 pages of specs on one site that then had to be cross checked with other sites to verify the data. That was just to start getting the data on how many received a major software version update vs those that didn't.
[Android General] dragontology:
Agreed. With respect to the Atrix 2 crowd, if you can get ICS and a bootloader unlock, you can surely run Jelly Bean. Worst case scenario, you're stuck on stock ICS, you root and use Titanium to clear up the bloat, and you install a good launcher (Apex, Holo, Nova, take your pick), and get Google Now from XDA (it works in ICS with a little hackery) and you basically have JB, minus a couple features, and your camera and camcorder work. We have to choose between ICS or JB, and our camera and camcorder. Sometimes the camera will work, but it's a once in a blue moon kinda thing. We (or at least I) just want some basic functionality from Moto. If they leak the files needed to get CM9/10 working right, I'll be (mostly) satisfied. But I'd like to see a bootloader unlock so my brother (has a Photon) can get in on the CM9/CM10 action.
[Android General] snowplow:
I would like to point out that there is no bootloader unlock for the atrix 2. As alteredlikeness said, it is bl unlock and source code which we really want.

As far as jellybean, no way there's gonna be an update for the atrix 2. And honestly, I doubt anyone would really even care if it weren't for that stupid promise moto made. As was stated, JB really isn't all that hugely different from ICS. Its just that everyone is pretty annoyed with moto for pulling this "JB or $100 for ALL 2011 phones" public relations stunt, and then failing to deliver realistically on those promises.

Also as per what alteredlikeness said: if included the atrix 2 community would more than gladly help out with the campaign, providing any necessary info or whatever else we can to help these great efforts :)

And for the Photon 4g, we all feel your guys' pain :o
[Android General] matriX1218:
This is what for China afraid of...

http://chinausfocus.com/u-s-news/google-gets-china-ok-for-motorola-deal/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303360504577414280414923956.html

http://www.chinahearsay.com/china-approves-google-motorola-deal-with-conditions/

Search for more about China-Motorola deal..

The day Google acquired Motorola, they know the os will be no longer free.. Through a rebate programs, Google indirectly making us to pay for latest os..

Atrix2 is abandoned too means they are really in mood of fight..

Sent from Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
[Android General] giveen:
I would love to see the Droid X added to this list, to at least get the ICS update.

ICS Release date: October 19 2011

Droid X: July 15 2010

Its cutting it close (4 days) but it is 18 months. At least unlock the bootloader, most of us would be happy with that.
[Android General] Zelectrick:
Motorola Defy mini (Xt 320)

Please don't forget the Motorola Defy mini ! (xt320) :o
[Android General] nidhish91:
Dont forget Defy and Defy+ we have a BIG share of users too on XDA and all around.
[Android General] sad_but_cool1:
DROID Bionic and DROID 4 and DROID RAZR/MAXX and ELECTRIFY 2 got ICS,and will get JB, but ATRIX2 will not get JB !

why ? they are almost the same platform and hardware ! , maybe cause ATRIX2 is for AT&T and the others for verizon/uscellular ?
[Android General] ChaosBlades:
I don't really see the point in this stuff. If you want an unlocked bootloader buy a phone with one. I had a X and a bionic and hated them both because of lack of updates and how locked they are. I now have a galaxy nexus and I am loving life. Only real way to get Motorola attention is to hit them in the pocket by not buying there phones and I sure as he'll learned my lesson. I now know nexus devices are the only phones for me. Am I just missing the point of all of this or what? What I am saying is going to be even more true once Google releases multiple nexus phones in the coming months. You should have nothing to complain about there are unlocked phones out there, why didn't you buy one?
[Android General] SirHoover2010:
Atrix HD may not even get updated till 2013. This is crap, we are all dying this year, I won't get to play on JB :( hahaha
[Android General] ronj75:
we HAD an unlocked bootloader.. motorola locked it days before the ics release deadline.

I only updated my photon because i was excited thinking ics got released early then it locked the bootloader and f'd us all.

Totally unprofessional and uncalled for.
[Android General] dragontology:
Cell signal. It's kind of important, you know? Why buy a cell phone if you're not gonna get signal with it? Might as well buy an iPod Touch or that Galaxy Player that Samsung makes?

Buying a Nexus, for me, means switching to a carrier that does not provide cell service where I live. I can use WiFi at home, but I wouldn't be able to make or receive calls. Maybe I could hack something together with Google Voice (VOIP?) but I shouldn't have to.

The Nexus does not offer the freedom you think it does. Like the iPhone, it's artificially limited to certain carriers. Once, and only once, it's available to all, your point will be valid. And it's a good point, don't get me wrong, but until the Nexus is actually available, it's not an option. It may be a valid choice for some of you, it just isn't for me. If I were to buy a new Android phone today, this is what I would have to choose from.
[Android General] Y_Yan_C:
Please include XT910 for Hong Kong! (Motorola sacked everyone in Hong Kong, we are one of the ground zero points for Motorola)
[Android General] giveen:
When I bought my Droid X, I wasn't aware it had a locked bootloader, some of us cannot afford to go drop $500 on a new phone. You know, feeding my kids and paying my mortgage is a bit more important.
[Android General] olegfusion:
Reading updates here. This is fking hilarious, moto!
[Android General] dragontology:
Did anybody notice Motorola seems to have finalized the trade-in plan? For what it's worth, you don't have to switch to Verizon to qualify. It's still a raw deal, but at least changing carriers isn't necessary.

Sprint users can upgrade to the Photon Q, and US Cellular users can upgrade to the Electrify 2 (Atrix 2). Electrify 2 is $150, same price Electrify was. Well, it's $250 with a $100 mail-in rebate.

I heard -- and I forget where, so I apologize for posting heresay -- but I heard on Black Friday, Sprint is going to have the Galaxy S3 for $50 with contract. Because of US Cellular's "One and done" contract plan, my contract ended a couple months ago. So I can leave without paying an ETF. What I don't think I can do however, is leave and have my wife remain on the account without me there (it's in my name). She doesn't mind Gingerbread. (I really wish I could just be happy with things the way they are, instead of shooting for the next big thing.)

Also, I'm hearing from a lot of Motorola apologists in forums... must... contain... rage. Haha. I just gotta tell myself, they're where we were a month ago. They're afraid if they speak out against Big M, they'll lose their upgrade or lessen their chances. So they'll defend Motorola's actions and decisions until they wind up in the same boat as us (or not, if they're lucky).
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Big Andriod BBQ recap;

Many at Moto are not happy with the abandonment of updates. (will not give source so don't ask)

Moto never showed for their "Developers" presentation (Punit Soni Oct 20, 2012 via G+ "I thought we were coming.. let me check")

Moto's $100 credit program goes live the day the Big Android BBQ starts. (absolutely no surprise there)

Instead of Moto there was an last minute open discussion about kanging to fill the slot. Enjoyed it BTW

Sony appears to be seriously focusing on the dev community even if they have a very small presence in the U.S. (more on my experience with them later)

Spent a bit of time with Adam Outler, azrienoch (a bunch of known folks from xda actually), RootzWiki, Sony, folks from CM. OK, a lot of folks. I had no idea how many people know of my work here and elsewhere, that was totally unexpected.

Did not get to spend as much time as I would have liked with Samsung but did get some time with HTC

Vulnerabilities, Exploits and Closed Source Session. If you are a dev you should have been there. Per usual Adam was a wealth of info and this time didn't break many folks brain like last years presentation did. (you had to be there for that one to understand)

agraben was funny as usual when discussing open source and compliance with

LOTS OF SCHWAG!!!

Sony gave Cybik a SmartWatch

I got the Nexus Q from RootzWiki

*something goes here, but not this

Won an HTC Desire S from HTCDev

For the requests to add all those devices, I need to evaluate many things with regards to the campaign, my dev projects (which is what keeps me sane) as well as assisting others. I'm not saying "YES" or "NO" at this point.
[Android General] dragontology:
I bet. Their company is getting legit Apple-level hate over the updates policy. Are any of them willing or even able to do anything about it, though? I've worked for companies whose policies I didn't like or agree with before (I'm sure many of us have) but sometimes making a paycheck and paying bills is more important than voicing your opinion. I'm sure some of the contractors and technicians working on the Death Star didn't always agree with the Empire, but nobody likes getting force choked by Vader, who has been known to take an interest in lack of faith... But in all seriousness, companies are the same way. They want team players, not people who will question their decisions.
[Android General] DoubleYouPee:
Can anyone tell me why the droid 3 isn't in the original post? It's newer than most of the phones in the list and still has a locked bootloader and not even ICS
[Android General] F_T_B:
Lokifish Marz, I spotted this thread a few days ago but only got around to writing something about it today.

I hope you guys can really make an impact, because (sadly) Motorola needs to get in touch with its users and fans and actually do something instead of following the same trend over and over.

'Support My Moto' rises against Motorola
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
The most likely expansion is all devices eligible for the $100 trade in. This will involve working with other manufacturers to see if they would match the $100 for those that want to switch. I know that the $100 trade in isn't all that great but if the other manufacturers are willing to do it, it will at least give folks a choice. "No updates, no unlock, no source, no problem, because other manufacturers will pay me to leave you." If this were to happen, the impact to Moto would be even greater. It doesn't solve the immediate issue but will be a big push for Moto, and the rest of the industry, to think twice before pulling crap like this in the future. This would also allow me to continue development, which is key to my sanity, as I get woken up in the middle of the night with ideas (yes, I actually dream about working on projects).

Taking on devices not covered by the Moto trade in program will not happen. I have to draw the line somewhere. If I were to take on those other devices I would need to take on all manufacturers in order to be far as I would get flooded with "what about us" requests. This would most like require a full time staff, lawyers and a ton of other things.
[Android General] DoubleYouPee:
The Droid 3 is eligible for the $100 trade in?

http://motorola.cebuyback.com/
[Android General] ronj75:
punit soni WAS spose to be there?

i find it funny that moto didnt show up.

maybe next step is a full on occupy moto movement and have as many ppl as we can standing outside motorola headquarters with signs demanding support.
[Android General] DannyBiker:
Please don't forget to mention international users! We are even more forgotten (no 100 $ plan for us) and we couldn't care less about US carriers. We are important too...after all, we are way more than US costumers.
[Android General] murphylas:
Contact Congress

I complained to the FCC regarding a problem with Motorola and my phone. They referred me to the FTC which is totally ridiculous. It was obvious the personnel at the FCC had no intention of dealing with Motorola.

I would recommend contacting Congress (it is an election year) asking them look into the whole matter of software support for these devices. Clearly regulation is needed if manufacturers and carriers are not going to do the right thing.

The FCC is totally worthless and totally corrupt.
[Android General] bad bone:
Signed
[Android General] Yenorin:
And the Defy Mini released on 2012 ?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1658568

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/root-motorola-defy-mini/
[Android General] ppero196:
You guys might be into something with your campaigns

http://m.twice.com/articletype/news/motorola-mobility-q3-losses-surge/103654

$527 million is the number of loss.

14% more than before

Trolls, trolls everywhere
[Android General] scanuto:
you're gonna have a bad time
[Android General] dragontology:
;)

/edit: Microsoft SmartGlass (remote control Xbox 360) released. Android 4.x only. No good reason (it's even more bloated/slow than the official Xbox social companion app) but another reason to need to upgrade. Apps are coming out with 4.x compatibility "just because".
[Android General] sambahb:
I agree, this is definitely needed. I would not require a new version of Android, but the unlooking of the bootloader and root rights, so that it would be possible to deal with memory problems.
[Android General] infeu:
so what now?:confused:
[Android General] matriX1218:
Boycotting their new phones is the best option. I still insist on no XDA support for new phones at least. Less possibilities means less sales. People use to see all the possibilities before buying new phones. This will definitely affect moto sales.. But it's totally depends upon forum... Everyone knows moto lied not only once but continuously...

Sent from my Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance