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[Android General] levander:
HA, " Goodbye, Moto..." is good!

I don't want to jerk your chain too much about how to word everything. If you start listening to people about what to say too much, you're gonna lose the natural feel, it's gonna sound forced, and not be as good. But this is one of your first few videos designed for mass consumption, there are going to be problems. I think the video will be better if you just accept it's not going to be perfect from the get-go due to your lack of experience.

But anyway, couple of ideas to consider.

Don't worry about an "official closing statement". Say that part about you having been loyal sometime during the first or middle part of the video. Then at the end, don't qualify it or anything, just kind of leave it poignant and mysterious? "Goodbye, Moto..."

Another thing to hack on is I saw an article with the new product manager at Motorola. He completely knows they're going to lose loyal customers in making this move, he said it in the interview. This is the way planet corporate works. You cut your loses fast and hard. You walk aroundsaying "I know, I know, it's bad!". But then you start saying "But look at all these plans we have for the future!". What's going on now is just part of Motorola's business plan. It's the risky part, but it's just part of the plan. They're hoping when they implement all these brilliant new plans, that will be there payoff. I don't know exactly what to say about that in the video. Maybe just explain sometime during the video this is part of their plan that stuff will happen like users like you will make mean videos. Then at the end just, "From your old customer base, goodbye, moto... Good luck with the new customer base your hoping to get...". That's not worded great. But that's the idea. It's kind of like saying "good riddance". It's not worth me figuring out how to word it better because you've got to do whatever your most comfortable wording it with.

Last bit of shtick I just thought of. After the ICS phone has booted, and we're waiting for the GB phone to boot, some shtick about, "I wanted this video to be shorter, but this is just how long the GB Motorola says meets their performance standars takes to boot..." Like you're blaming the video being too long on Motorola... LOL

---------- Post added at 08:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:57 AM ----------

Dark, on send thought, skip what I said about your "closing state,emt". I kind of like how you worded it to begin with after thinking about it a little more...
[Android General] dragontology:
Okay. The last few posts, I did not consider, before shooting the video (I didn't see them, sorry). However, I'm about to convert, and then upload, V2. V2 has a modified version of the script (I changed a couple things) and I think it's a little shorter. Whatever worked in V1, I hope works for y'all here. What doesn't, please do tell, and I will consider your suggestions plus the last three posts when I do V3. V2 is almost good enough to go live, but I will post it as unlisted again.

Nine takes. It's 3:43. Here, the lighting is TOO good. You can see the rig I used to prop the camera. Ingenius really. My wife is a semi-professional cake decorator. I used a cake tray, propped up on three cups, on a chair, and I wedged the lens of my (point and shoot Nikon CoolPix) in the center, and propped it up with part of my Otterbox Defender. Lame setup all around... and you can see most of it in the reflections. I will definitely redo this with better (more balanced) lighting. The speech was about as good as it's going to get, but I need to rehearse more, particularly the end. I won't do a voiceover or do it in multiple takes -- I feel it needs to be au natural, haha.

I will update with the video... Will be here when it goes live, within the hour (or two).
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
F5,F5,F5,F5 :p
[Android General] android-DEP:
Just a fairly quick insight I wanted to share with some of the other developers on here itching like Tyrone Biggums to get their hands on some Ice Cream Sandwich. Surely as there are theme specialists, rom cookers and those that get into the source code to do work before compiling everything. ICS source compiling will be quiet the benchmark and stress test on your average system.

In other words, here's what I noticed on an article regarding the ICS being released to AOSP for developers to take over and mix in their modification formulas.

Just a heads up to some of the people who plan on switching over to ICS compiling once it becomes available, make sure the system is high spec that you plan to build on. Gingerbread is fairly moderate on most of today's systems to compile in a very short time and even do it all inside a VM to save the cost it would take on resources for a physical machine.

Personally entering the 32GB RAM DDR3 world recently after only having a 4GB machine, I always wondered why anyone would ever need so much RAM. But for 16GB RAM to be recommended to build ICS, I'm now wondering what these numbers will be when Key Lime Pie 4.2 get's released to AOSP.
[Android General] dragontology:
Holy crap. I had no idea it took so much power to build a mobile OS. Not to demean what Android is, it's quite the technological marvel. But what you (or rather he) is saying is that I could simply not build ICS on my machine (AMD Phenom II X2 555, 4GB DDR3 RAM). That is insane. Not that I doubt it. I just can't wrap my mind over why -- don't explain it, it wouldn't benefit me to know. I will take your (his) word.

Holy ****, I made Loki spam F5. I am not usually one to use profanity, but I think the expletive is appropriate. Achievement Unlocked, haha.

Looks like the video is live. I like the way it turned out, but the stuttering and stammering is hard to listen to. And I know I need to work on the lighting. And I am obviously better at articulating my points via text, than on video. Now I just need to learn to shorten the speech some.
[Android General] Rusty!:
It will build fine, might take a couple of hours though.

I've built ICS on an AMD Athlon II 240 tons of times.

My Phenom II x4 955 BE with 4GB DDR 3 takes about 45mins to compile (CCACHE enabled).
[Android General] levander:
Okay, this video really sucks. I'm glad you're trying it, and no doubt you're doing no worse than anybody else new at this. But that video really sucked.

At the beginning now, you're reading straight off a script and we're looking at two boxes.

Maybe it's my fault cause you were listening to me too much when I used the word script. I just meant by script a general idea of what you wanted to mention. Like maybe a list of very terse bullet points just to remind you what you want to say.

When you read a script, you need to be a good actor because you are now putting on a performance. You can't act for ****. Maybe what made the first video better was it was so unscripted and off-the-cuff? That's why I kept saying it's got to be what you're comfortable with. When the video was just a guy with a good (and mild) personality talking about stuff he knows, that was compelling. Now that it's a guy who can't act putting on a performance, it's embarrassing. The tone of your voice, it doesn't even sound like you want to read the script. It sounds like you're bored yourself by having to read it

The point of this video I thought was that Motorola did some nonsense press release about ICS not performing well enough on the old phones, and that's why they didn't release ICS on them. That needs to be in the first 30 seconds, then you turn off the lights, "now I'm giving my wife's phone a head start". Tell me why the hell I'm watching this video before you go on about a bunch of stuff. .

I'm sorry if I was too harsh, I have a tendency to be that way unfortunately. That was why I was so impressed with the 1st video. I never like this amateur stuff.

You may need to wait till this weekend to do another take? Give the scripted feel some time to leave your brain so when you do another take it's more fresh? If you do it a bunch of times in a row, there's no way you're going to maintain a casual feel to it.

Last thoughts. Don't waste too much time before starting the boot test, do turn off the lights when you do the boot test (the dark visual with just the lights from the phone was appealing to me), drop the sob story about how long you've been a customer - nobody cares, don't make the video your manifesto on how you've been treated, just point out how ridulous that press release was that said ICS was too slow on these phones and leave it at that. Although, talking about the features of ICS and pointing them out on the phone while waiting for the GB phone to boot, I liked that. Mentioned already how I liked you'd be talking about ICS, interrupt yourself to point out something about the progress of the test, the go back to whatever the hell you we're talking about before.
[Android General] chronicfathead:
An undisclosed company has made a complaint against the original post by epinter, and forced XDA to look into it. It was something to do with sharing some software within the rom I believe. They have now removed the thread, so I presume there was a credible threat to XDA, unless they have moved it till they can figure out what the response will be.

I think we need to find out more about where this threat came from, as if it came from Motorola, then this is like pouring petrol on the already burning fire.

It could be from AT&T, as the rom booted with an AT&T logo.

It could be from A.N Other company, whose technology was being used in the test rom, but should never have been released.

Whoever it was, the genie is already out of the bottle, and many hundreds if not thousands will have downloaded the original leaked files, and could make them available via torrent or other sharing site. Do they not realise that you cannot stop something w=once it has been released!

I don't know all the info about where this came from, but I think we need to stand behind epinter on this one, so he knows he is not alone.:good:
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
UPDATE

the ICS Atrix leak has been removed as well as the thread and numerous posts. We need official conformation on what exactly happened.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
The word about the removal of the ICS leak needs to be spread as soon as we have information on the who, what, when and why.
[Android General] matriX1218:
Sorry guys,

But I do believe it's motorola only...

The more we support their products the more they will get benefited..

I totally against supporting their new product line up....

Sent from Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
[Android General] dragontology:
Ouch. Well, I asked for harsh. But after reading your post a few times, I see where you're coming from. I had to use the script to minimize the stuttering (well, not really stuttering, but getting ahead of myself and skipping words, then having to come back to them) and get what I wanted to say down straight.

You're right, the personal anecdotes have got to go. That doesn't matter, you're right about that. I'm not trying to sell the cause any more than I'm trying to review the ICS ROM. I just need to show that the phone boots faster and is more immediately usable, and ultimately blow a big hole in one claim by Motorola.

I wasn't sure about the two boxes. You said logo, that was the best I could come up with. I never liked it.

No, you weren't too harsh, you were brutally honest, which is often how I am online. I needed that.

Not sure if I want to drop the script entirely, but maybe I can just practice with one, but not read off it like it's a TelePrompter.

I'll work on the new script later. I thought this script would target two minutes, but was twice that. So I need to get it down by about half, or more.

Ideally, and this is what I should be timing, and basing the script around, is...

1. Power phones on.

2. Explain Motorola's lie.

3. ICS boots.

4. More stuff, with "still waiting" sprinkled throughout.

5. Oh look who decided to join the party. Hello Moto.

Or something like that.
[Android General] upndwn4par:
Explanation for leak thread removal.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=32670419&postcount=50
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
I had the same info but was asked not to go into it yet. Thank you for linking the post.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
The official reason as to why the tread and leak were pulled has been added to the first post.

I have tried my best to not make "this is fact" statements but express my opinion on the matter and state them as such. I ask that folks not make "moto pulled the leak" or "Google killed the leak" type comments on G+ and elsewhere.

It doesn't matter who requested what really. The fact is the thread has been removed and that a number of devices are still not getting an update and that's where I think efforts should be focused.
[Android General] ppero196:
Trolling Motorola again https://mobile.twitter.com/markmagnus/status/256422770219565057
[Android General] dragontology:
Their smart response: check kernel version lol

Their snarky response: then there's no problem with us, is there?

;)
[Android General] infeu:
motorola still takes no action on that! Are they ostrich?
[Android General] AGiLiT:
A well thought-out and worded (at least IMHO) analysis of what would be the appropriate actions for Motorola, Google, and the carriers to take in response to the mess we find ourselves in was posted on the Motorola forums yesterday. If you agree, I'm guessing the OP wouldn't mind the arguments being copied and posted elsewhere.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Thanks for the link. There are many ways to approach this issue but it needs to be done in phases.

UPDATE:Another public reaching out to Punit Soni and Moto on his G+

Again I am publicly reaching out to Motorola to see if we cannot come to some sort of resolution. We both know that the bad press and customer backlash is going to cost millions in 4th quarter losses.

Should "Support My Moto" have to continue into holiday sales season the impact will be even greater. I am not trying to ruin Motorola but stand up for those that have been left out in the cold with a device that can clearly run newer versions of Android and show marked improvement in performance.

Please contact me via supportmymoto.com or G+.﻿
[Android General] levander:
Ah, thanks!

Definitely, that was the whole problem with the 2nd video, overthinking. In that terribly long post above, that's why I went back with the addition that started with, "look, your first video was fine" - it was just to summarize all this we're talking about.

If you want to mention some of these "possible caveats", that's fine. But don't get too bogged down. Geeks all over the world could hate Motorola and they'd still make a killing. It's the regular everyday guy that just walks into a phone shop and actually is so clueless he asks the salesman what phone to get. We want that guy going, "yeah, but didn't Motorola say some bull**** about why they couldn't upgrade their phones to ICS"? That may be pushing what's possible with the clueless, but you get the idea.

I like this attitude, you're angry! Just be careful not to get too bogged down. Pick a couple that even if your Mom wouldn't understand, maybe your wife would?

If you go a little into what the clueless don't understand here or there, that's fine, just stutter and stammer your way out of it. But if you go on too long what they don't understand, they stop listening.
[Android General] ppero196:
Guys you should add MB526 aka Defy+.

Its less than year old and no ICS.

Not a single update to day
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Right now we're focusing on dual-core Tegra2 phones. The T2 phones are obviously capable of it so if we can't get Moto to work with us on these then the chances of a single core getting ICS from them is pretty much 0.

I will still consider it as a possiblity though.
[Android General] ppero196:
Understood

Although custom ROMs work great.....lag free
[Android General] dragontology:
While I agree with Loki's position, I think you have a great case as well.

It's a common misconception, probably perpetuated by Microsoft Windows (if I had to guess) that newer operating system versions necessarily require stronger hardware. In my experience, ICS/JB are leaner and meaner than Moto's stock Gingerblur builds. Of course AOSP GB is lighter than AOSP ICS, but reasonably powerful devices can still run it. I would say 800MHz/512MB RAM can run ICS, maybe even on an ARMv6, though that would be pushing it. I would not be surprised to see ICS/JB running on an OG Droid (600MHz/256MB RAM, IIRC) but I wouldn't expect it to run well, or have all its features. I'm sure some will take issue with that, but again, I wouldn't expect it to run well. About as good as my Samsung Acclaim (800MHz ARMv6, 160MB RAM) ran Froyo. Which is not well at all. But with LauncherPlus Pro, and some alternate, lightweight apps, I got by. (ICS/JB would definitely not run on the Acclaim... BTW you Sprint people know that POS as the "Moment". As in "I hit a key on the keyboard, just give it a moment and say a prayer and it might show up." Am I right?)
[Android General] sad_but_cool1:
Good job!

What about ATRIX2 MB865/ME866?

Boot loader is locked,recently updated to ICS,motorola ignored the plan/promise to update to JB.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
One step at a time. You need to keep in mind that the 1000000+ Tegra2 phones worldwide don't even have ICS, much less JB.
[Android General] infeu:
does motorola make any official respond to this?:confused:
[Android General] chronicfathead:
Does anyone have a list of Motorola Android phones released in 2001 and 2012?

I understand they have made engineers redundant, and that seems to be part of the reason they are cutting our updates, but I'm sure we have seen more phones in 2012 than we had in 2011. Who is going to look after the 2012 updates if they can't manage them for the 2011 phones?:eek:
[Android General] ppero196:
For list of Motorola phones look here:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices#section_1

Find Motorola section
[Android General] dragontology:
v3 is live (or will be shortly)

v3 of my video is incoming. It's the shortest one yet (2:12) and focuses just on booting up. Also I left the Otterbox Defender on, and Jelly Bean 4.1.2. Why? Why not? It's also got a bunch of games on it. Angry Birds: Space, Temple Run: Brave, Fruit Ninja, and ShadowGun. It's just as "bloated" as the MotoBlur phone. And hey, it still boots in half the time and looks great doing so.

I'm going to delete v1, but keep, and make public (as in not unlisted) v2. v2 goes off topic, but it covers information that we all know, but somebody unfamiliar with the issues won't know. My wife says v2 is the best and she thinks it would be most effective, and she's got a perspective I'm betting a lot of y'all lack -- she doesn't care about the difference between versions, or any of the tech stuff. I have been overthinking it, and reading too much into every piece of criticism I get. Both v1 and v2 were good for different reasons. v3 is just a better v1, and hey, it shows a fully loaded Jelly Bean setup. So it should be a little more effective.

Anyway, I have no audience. I'm not "a thing" on YouTube. I'm just the guy with two MB853s. I've got two videos, and I'm both licensing them using YouTube's Creative Commons license. That gives y'all full permission (and you have my blessing besides) to do what you want with the videos. You can copy them, you can change the audio (I believe you can actually do this on YouTube), you can annotate the video, whatever. Or you can share it from my channel as-is, if you like. I don't care. About view count, or the like/dislike ratio, I mean. I'm not a YouTuber. It's just a tool to get the proof up there.

I hope these videos help #SupportMyMoto and #MotoFail.

//edit: I just timed them, using VLC... Gingerbread takes 1:54 to boot up. Good god! I had no idea it was that terrible! My JB phone boots up in 35 seconds. My record is 28, but that was with CM9. Dunno why it takes longer. That's power button to lock screen. To compare, a friend has an iPhone 4 and he says his boot time is 26 seconds, but he also waited for, I dunno, I think he said iOS does some things post-boot (I guess like how ours does the SD card check, maybe he waited for his 3G or WiFi to connect or something. Anyway, of course an iPod phone is gonna boot up fast, it's not running a Linux distro, haha! But I'm happy I'm close to an iPhone's boot time!
[Android General] XxReApErxX:
Thank you very much for your effort! Maybe a link of the Support my Moto campaigne in the description or as an annotation in the video?

Enviado desde mi MB855 usando Tapatalk 2
[Android General] dragontology:
Yes, sorry, I will get right on that.

I posted my videos to MotoFail and Android Police via Facebook. MotoFail reposted me, so if any of you follow them, and saw it, you now know my real name. Well you've found me. Congratulations. Was it worth it? Because despite your violent behavior, the only thing you've managed to break so far, is my heart. Maybe you could settle for that, and we'll just call it a day. Haha.

//edit: Also changed the titles. "Take 2" dropped from the longer one. It's the only one to feature ICS. Take 3 changed to vs. Jelly Bean... because Jelly Bean.
[Android General] jrevans:
My form letter reponse from Moto

So similar to the response that they sent me on 10/8/2012. Just a few minor differences:

And, I just got the "How did we do" survey from Motorola....

Gee, I'm so glad that I took part in the "soak" test to get my bootloader secretly locked. :p
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Please foward those to me. Having a copy of the email will be needed should the validity of the source come under question.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
More fuel fo the fire.

Electrify Stock Gingerbread vs Jelly Bean!

Webtop3.0 is the most expensive launcher ever!
[Android General] dragontology:
I'm glad you could use my video, Loki.

I never understood webtop. Isn't that when you plug your phone into one of those lapdock things? I've connected my phone (and my wife's) to the TV, but all it does is mirror the display (badly on CM9/CM10, I guess due to lack of libs).
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
The vid is short enough and to the point to not lose folks which is great. It may be the one I take with me to the Big Android BBQ, along with a comfy chair for Moto.

The original Webtop was Ubuntu that had been stripped down and locked to make it a 700MB firefox install. Unlocked, Webtop can be made into a light Desktop OS. When optimized, the unlocked Webtop performance about the same as a single core 1.2GHz Atom Netbook or better. Seeing Webtop3.0 is not much more than a modded launcher, a dev (NOT ME) should be able to port it. It's still a pretty nasty bait and switch if you ask me as webtop3.0 can be done on pretty much any phone with mirroring.
[Android General] dragontology:
Glad to hear you're making it to the BBQ after all.

So to use Webtop at all, I need the lapdock, correct? Or just the HD dock? Because I'm thinking I can use that ~700MB for EMMC space if I go to the trouble to re-partition the internal memory.

Some folks on Ars Technica (not editors/staff writers) think we didn't get the update because Google was upset our phones could boot into Debian, but offered no solid explanation. I figured they were talking about Webtop, but ultimately, missing the point.
[Android General] GPhoenix:
Sorry fellas been away and tied up lately. Great vid Dark!

@Loki - Sweet! Represent all of us aliens from here! =D Wush I could be there but ain't going to be back in the States until Nov. Good luck!