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[Atrix 4G General] Lugaidster:
I still don't think we should go the BBB route. Rather, we should make a really public campaign that affects their image on prospective buyers. Signature campaigns and complaints doesn't really do much these days. Getting a trending topic is way more influential. Maybe we should organize a day to get everyone to tweet something with a tag. The only way to get a topic trending is having lots of people tweeting it in a short span of time.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
There is nothing wrong with filing BBB complaints in addition to creating a trending topic. I already filed mine and got a response.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
That is the idea of this campaign. Make it big and loud, and get it on big websites too. The BBB option is just for people who want to complaint there :)
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
UPDATE

Hello guys,

It seems the campaign is well received, so i took sometime to work on the hotsite's template. You can take a look at it here: http://i50.tinypic.com/x1k7i8.png

Now we need to decide the name for this campaign, so we can buy the domain (we already have someone to pay for it). We also need a impact message for the hotsite and the Tweet.

Any ideas, please? If we work on this, it may be ready by the end of the week, since the domain will take about 2 days to propagate.
[Atrix 4G General] TravisAntonio:
This war is going to be awesome :)
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
For devs

Hello guys,

I'm thinking about some messages to use on the campaign, but right now i need to know what we really need and want. By what i have been reading, what we need is kernel 3.x, since we got Tegra 2's libs. That is what epinter told me, anyway.

But we need to have something in our minds before starting: what do we really want from Motorola? A 3.x version of the kernel, a leak of what they already did (if they did something), the official version... anyway, what we REALLY need to improve our JB roms and at least have HW and project butter working 100%?

This is a question for the devs, since i just work with servers and don't understand the whole Android dev much.
[Atrix 4G General] KieranD212:
We need at least hardware acceleration drivers. Tegra2 chip is useless without it. I use epinters jelly bean rom, its great but video and games need he acceleration. The specs of the atrix are good, I'd hate to have to go back to a gingerbread ROM now.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
We have the drivers, we just don't have a kernel compatible with them, by what i have been reading.
[Atrix 4G General] goxon:
im with u guys. moto failed me twice. first with 2011 bootloaders and now with atrix ics.
[Atrix 4G General] BigJeff:
Count me in. #Nomoremotomadness
[Atrix 4G General] Alcapone263:
What I personally want from Motorola is to be completely open with us about the Atrix. Why exactly was it dropped, and what sort of development was already done for the device? I want all of that development released to us, so at the very least we can pick up where they dropped off.

that includes any device specific drivers they've already written, as well as ICS/JB kernel source code for our device. That's just my opinion on what we deserve from Motorola though.
[Atrix 4G General] ThePigeonKeeper:
"we can rebuilt it, we have the technology"
[Atrix 4G General] :
Campaign name suggestion...

"Hurricane Atrix"
[Atrix 4G General] Fishmoose:
I think something descriptive and simple would be best. Like, updatemymoto?
[Atrix 4G General] Dachande:
+1

I think this is the best name
[Atrix 4G General] Chimpdaddy:
How about 'FreeTheMotos', as we only need the kernel etc to be able to do the rest ourselves.
[Atrix 4G General] RaZoR No1:
Or OpenMoto or Motobreak? (instead of Jailbreak xD)
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
UPDATE

Hello guys,

I created a quick poll at Google Drive so we can decide the name of the campaign/domain and other things. We already have lots of suggestions, so i think we are ready to decide and start rocking.

You can vote here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dEoxdjZSeWZsZkxvZlNBLVIwWU1zdkE6MQ

I will let the poll up untill tomorrow morning, and then we will have a winner. As soon as we got the winner, i will add the message to the hotsite, put it online and talk with some websites so they can spread our campaign.

I will also advertise it at Google AdWords and Facebook Ads, using some credits i got left. So, vote and let's rock!
[Atrix 4G General] novi81:
Excellent!!! After you finish we need too spread the word as louder as we can.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
Is everyone helping spread the word on the twitters? https://twitter.com/i/#!/search/realtime/#motofail
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
I don't think the "motofail" hashtag will help us. We can't offend the company if we want this to work.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
I don't think it's offensive. It's simply the truth. Getting the word out there to non moto users will help us.
[Atrix 4G General] novi81:
Guys maybe we should remind them about Don't be evil moto.

This situation is result of pure corporate greed and lack of care toward customer base.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
It isn't really offensive, but did we got any answer from Moto with this hash? I'm REALLY doing my best on this campaign, i really want this to work. Even more now, since the devs are working together.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
Like I said before, I'm all for this campaign. :highfive: I gave my input on the quick poll. In the meantime, I think we need to be spreading the word as much as possible.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
True. It don't hurt to spread :)

So far, updatemymoto.com is winning btw.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
Good, updatemymoto.com seems perfect, straight to the point, without being too negative.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
And works for Photon owners too :)

On a side note, is anyone good with image editors? It would be good to have a image to share at Pinterest for this campaign. So far i only found this one: http://1.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/00-atrix-4g-ics.png
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
Have you seen this? http://martian-imperium.com/Moto abandonment.html
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
First time i see it. Will try to get in touch with him, so we can join forces :)
[Atrix 4G General] Random Canadian:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Motofail/487173897968298?fref=ts

Casey Newton said:

"Are you mad at Motorola for deciding not to upgrade its phones to Ice Cream Sandwich? I'm a reporter at CNET working on a story about the reaction. If you're willing to share your story, please send me an e-mail at casey.newton@cbsinteractive.com. Thanks!"
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
UPDATE

Hello guys,

I thought about leaving the poll open until tomorrow, but it seems "updatemymoto.com" is the clear winner so far. Since i liked it too, and lots of other people did, i guess we can call this campaign Update My Moto! :)

I also updated the hotsite: http://i48.tinypic.com/51eb95.png

Any suggestion on the message or the one i wrote is good enough? What do you guys think?
[Atrix 4G General] Rhadamg:
Just a trial...

About the image: is just a compilation of images found on web with a few photoshop 'end'.

The logo at nose, as Motorola thinking about us as clows.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Awesome! Keep them coming guys! :)

Here is mine:
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Observations and suggestions;

EDIT: the suggest name post went up while i was writing this

icanhas... is cute however something more direct is needed. moto-tegra2-ics-jb will grab the attention of folks that have no clue about this. Think of it this way. If you are searching the internet would you be more likely to visit icanhasdrivers or moto-tegra2-ics-jb ?

You have to keep in mind its EIGHT devices not getting ICS or JB.

Shotgun approach has a very low success rate as it scatters need resources across multiple sites/forums. Again a directed thread title is ideal. For example there was 5 or 6 threads in the Photon forum talking about this subject. So instead a one thread with hundreds of comments there were a ton of smaller threads with fewer comments.

I suggest a multistep process to sign a petition.

Step 1. Send complaint to BBB using a template

Step 2. FTC complaint using a template

Step 3. Sign Petition

Step 4. "I support this" type post on FB, G+, forums and news articles about the change with links to the page/website so others can go through steps 1-4

Step 5. Change you sig to "I support this" type sig with a link to site where others can do the same

I'd suggest that a "I support this" template be used. If everybody is saying the same thing via all these outlets it's a little harder dismiss. Right now we look like an angry disorganized mod.

One thread on each of the forum sites for every device affected. for example if forum X has subforums for every device affected, then each subforum gets a thread. Have that thread direct folks to the website so again they can follow the suggested steps above.

This will require folks to step up to make it happen. Can't have one or two folks doing the bulk of the work. Somebody handles the website while somebody handles xda while somebody else handles AC and so on. This will also need a project/campaign manager.

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Like the idea but needs a petition, file complaint with bbb, file complaint with FTC. Like I said in my previous post we are talking about eight devices affected.

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@ julian_fern

If you ad the BBB, FTC and petition I'll host. I'm already search submitted and would even go so far as change the first page. I can edit some of the meta and resubmit today with number of engines.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Actually, we will add BBB. Just trying to find a way to fit it on the template.
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Also, check the upper left corner of my actual website. the layout can be changed but it covers a ton of social networks.

We also have this

Casey Newton said:

"Are you mad at Motorola for deciding not to upgrade its phones to Ice Cream Sandwich? I'm a reporter at CNET working on a story about the reaction. If you're willing to share your story, please send me an e-mail at casey.newton@cbsinteractive.com. Thanks!"

Also check InsanePostman's post in the Photon forum

Once we get this nailed down we need folks start hitting the ton of threads related to this on xda and direct them here.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Yeah, like AddThis. But it ruins the whole "call to action" idea hehe
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
I agree with everything you said, except for the website name. I did not suggest "icanhas" to be cute or trendy (I hate meme). People are trained to look at "icanhas" sites. This is especially true if you are trying to attract people from outside the modding community. Your average Atrix/Photon/whatever owner has no idea what moto, tegra, ics, or jb means. But you put "icanhas" in front of anything, it will get their attention. Not saying it is the best choice, but will attract your average Joe.

And I like that you added all that info to your website. I will do the same. Not that I have anything there, or anyone visits, but it does show up in Google search results.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
Here is a tidbit from Nvidia. It sounds like the blame is solely Motorola. https://twitter.com/NVIDIATegra/status/252831336992239616
[Atrix 4G General] Rhadamg:
I've tweaked a bit. Slightly bigger text and 'better' nose:

Who might want to enhance my idea, the PSD is attached below
[Atrix 4G General] dedebekri:
I just posted on the Photon forum and invited them to join forces with us and give support to our devs for building our own ICS/JB rom.
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Think of web presence. I already pull a few thousand hit a month and am established in the dev community. I have posted word of the moto abandonment on a ton of different news site, forums and social media outlets. Take a look at my Youtube page, I haven't even started to exploit that yet. I change three images and the word gets out to almost twenty forums world wide.

If the multiple sites redirect to one page official page/site then having it futher covered by the press is increased.

I can't tell you how I know so don't ask but there is already a somewhat working ICS and JB leak for the Photon. It's not that moto couldn't do it they simply abandon it. I made sure Casey Newton has been made aware this.

Petitioning Motorola Mobility Inc

This petition will be delivered to:

Motorola Mobility Inc

Motorola Mobility Inc: Unlock all smartphone bootloaders.
[Atrix 4G General] dedebekri:
Very nice to see your support and your good news!

Edit: This battle may last shorter than I expected. Also I have signed your petition too.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
UPDATE

Hello guys,

The hotsite is done, and you can see it here: http://i48.tinypic.com/9ir402.png

I have PMed TheOnePom to buy the domain, so i'm just waiting him to PM me back with the details. I'm not home at the moment, so i will only be able to upload this to my server tomorrow, anyway.

There is only one thing left to do: make a message for Twitter. So far i have come up with this:

But as you can see, it's too big. Can someone help me to make a new and smaller message? The hashtags should be there, the Motorola mention too, and if possible, the call to action for the RT.
[Atrix 4G General] djluis48:
I wouldn't use the word "promised" because technically speaking, they never promised anything.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
In 2012 @Motorola promised #ICS for our @Android #Atrix #Photon. Now they canceled it. #UpdateMyMoto! http://www.updatemymoto.com/ // RT please?
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
They actually did, in lots of chats people had with the costumer support.

Without commas, it looks kinda weird :/

Maybe we should loose the "RT please?"... but damm, it works.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
Is that with twitter auto-shortening the link?
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
The "5 chars" thing was a mistake haha

It just looks kinda weird without commas. Maybe it's because at Brazil, we have to use them a lot.

Maybe this?
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
I can buy updatemymoto.com right now and have a site up today. If I do this we need to agree that updatemymoto.com will be the main site. I will need folks to help me to hit the couple hundred news sites that reported on the update as well as forums. I will also need folks to actually forward the email responses and send me PDF screencaps of these chat sessions with moto.

Also need links to any articles or press releases regarding promises of unlocked bootloaders and updates prior to September 2012.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Yes, updatemymoto.com will be the main site. But i prefer the hotsite to be on my server, since i have the VPS ready for this, with Nginx and Ubuntu Server setup and optimized by me, with micro cache on SSD disks.
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
So professional hosting is out of the question then. Do what you have to do I'll just ad a link to it once you have it up. I have a couple hundred more sites to cross reference so I'll catch you folks later.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Hosting is kinda of my work, so i always have servers ready.
[Atrix 4G General] TheOnePom:
Domain purchased, PM sent.
[Atrix 4G General] upndwn4par:
Unlocked bootloader links:

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/1...ice-site-bootloader-freedom-has-come-at-last/

http://lifehacker.com/5935837/motor...news&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

http://www.androidcentral.com/motor...ill-be-unlocked-android-23-gingerbread-update

ICS Update Links:

http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/02/15/update-motorola-ice-cream-sandwich-news/

http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-android-40-ice-cream-sandwich-schedule-updated

http://www.androidcentral.com/att-provides-ics-list-nothing-surprise-us

http://omgdroid.com/motorola-delays-ics-update/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/ice-cream-sandwich-att_n_1375412.html

http://www.phonedog.com/2012/03/22/...-get-ice-cream-sandwich-in-the-coming-months/
[Atrix 4G General] dedebekri:
Please do not abandon us. It is not that important who hosts the website I think.

By the way, may I ask if the leak you mentioned will be delivered to the community somehow? Also do you have any information about an Atrix leak?
[Atrix 4G General] Fishmoose:
I don't really like the "promised" either. Personally, I'd rather go with "said".

And "ourselfs" is actually spelt "ourselves".

Other than that, I think it looks great! Good job. :)
[Atrix 4G General] dedebekri:
" announced" also may sound better than "promised"
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
PM answered :)

Fixed my "engrish" :P

Thanks for the heads up!

Will see what i can do :)

How about:

or
[Atrix 4G General] Fishmoose:
I posted this in the Official ICS thread, but I'm posting it here to make sure that you all see it since it's related:

Hey guys, look at what's going on over at Punit Soni's Google+ (JB credit thread)
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Sounds great! With this campaign plus the fact it seems we got him at our side, i'm sure we will get something. Now that the devs joined forces, it's just a matter of time :)
[Atrix 4G General] Random Canadian:
He's not on our side, he is hoping that this little hicup doesnt effect stocks too much so he still gets his big bonus.

He is VP of product management sent from Google. If he was on our side we would still be getting/already have gotten an update. Dont fool yourself.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
If we get anything useful from him, he is already at my side.
[Atrix 4G General] Fishmoose:
Even if he isn't on our side (I'm not saying that he is or isn't), I think he'd rather just release some libs than deal with all the hate spam.

It should be win-win if they do, since they get off the hook without doing much work, and we get our ICS.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
It would make me happy, but remember this: us custom ROM flashers are a small minority. There are a LOT of people that got screwed that don't flash custom ROMs, and have no interest in them. All they care about is getting the official updates.
[Atrix 4G General] Random Canadian:
Any Release at this point is purely to protect profits/save face. Im not saying that getting anything short of a full OTA is bad but lets be realistic about the motivating factors here.

starve a dog blah blah. Throw it a bone blah. Starving dog is happy(er) but still starving. blah blah

Lazy dog/bone reference.

To stay somewhat on topic here Moto has not released any new adds on facebook or G+ in almost 24 hrs, last week it was at least twice a day, they could be in a dry spell or maybe they are keeping quiet for a while because every posts comments were 90% pissed off customers telling everyone not to buy said product. Time will tell.
[Atrix 4G General] Fishmoose:
True, but then again, those who care about Android updates at all are also a minority. I think most who really feel that they need ICS will learn how to flash custom.

Edit: Sorry, maybe this got a bit off-topic. Let's focus on the campaign. :)
[Atrix 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
A couple thousand of those folks used my Live ROM conversion to deblur/debloat their locked phones.
[Atrix 4G General] Rhadamg:
A small version with web site.

So, what you guys think? Too much polluted? Any clues?
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Loved it! (:

Can you make a bigger version? I will add it to the official thread, that will go live tomorrow, with the website.
[Atrix 4G General] Fishmoose:
I think it was a good idea to include the URL in the picture.
[Atrix 4G General] gandalf_grey91:
Google has bought Motorola with an agenda to fulfill. They don't care. Just don't buy any more Motorola products, ever, they will get the message.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
I don't pretend to buy another phone for the next two or three years, so i want to get the most i can out of it.
[Atrix 4G General] Lugaidster:
People should just go +1 his reply of "In principle it makes sense... I will find out more and respond. Give me a few days..."

That way he can also keep track of how many people just want that. That's as good a campaign as any and gives visibility as well.

Cheers

PS: Also +1 the guy that posted the question.
[Atrix 4G General] blackhand1001:
Just get a galaxy nexus. Jellybean runs so much better on it. The screen is much better as well.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
Do you have a link?
[Atrix 4G General] Rhadamg:
Here we go

And the PSD attached as well.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Awesome! Tomorrow is the day, guys :)
[Atrix 4G General] Lugaidster:
I'm assuming I can post the link. So here it is.

https://plus.google.com/111499908439497508351/posts/PkEkFJaSTB1

It's near the end of the comments (Be careful, it's a rather long list). It'd be great if people just don't answer. A +1 would be good enough, that way it's easy to access it. A few dozen +1 and it should get their attention.

Cheers
[Atrix 4G General] ravilov:
That's Moto's problem, we are not required to deal with it.

Also remember that a significant part of those people probably don't even know the phone can be upgraded at all.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
I know. That's my point exactly. It is Motorola's problem.
[Atrix 4G General] DroidRunner:
Saw a link on Reddit for this thread. Getting noticed more and more.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Cool :)

Just to update you: campaign is ready and the official thread and website will go live tomorrow, once i get home.
[Atrix 4G General] Random Canadian:
So uh this unified front thing is gone off the rails already.
[Atrix 4G General] rmkilc:
Yeah, I saw that too. I don't understand that person. He wants to help, only if he is in charge, but yet he don't want ICS/JB for the Atrix and Photon?
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
All i said to the guy was i wanted it on my servers, because i worked on them for this use. Would be kinda sad for me to work for 2 days on the server, get it ready for Digg effect, and then just have it on another guy's server.

Not to mention we had someone to buy the domain already. I never said we would not accept his help, he just got like that cause i said i wanted it on my server... cause i paid it to use on this campaign.
[Atrix 4G General] Rhadamg:
I'm talking with some brazilian websites about Android Devices, asking for their help and support on this quest. I suggest all of you to do the same. Ask them to read this thread and explain how much is important to write about this war. :good:
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
My idea is to do it tomorrow, once the official thread and website are up :)

I will have it for sure at Ubuntu-BR-SC (our Ubuntu blog) and BR-Linux, the biggest Linux portal at Brazil.

Thanks for sharing it with others!
[Atrix 4G General] Rhadamg:
Yeah, I know. I'm explaining about when the site will be on too. It's just to let them know about the fact and start to write some draft.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
That's is a great idea! Could you talk with the guys from "Mestre Android"? Tell Diego the campaign was Julian Fernandes's idea, and i'm sure he will write about it, since i did some works for him for free :)
[Atrix 4G General] ticiano_arraes:
You guys are doing an awesome work so far. Keep pushing.
[Atrix 4G General] julian_fern:
Thanks :)
[Atrix 4G General] mrplowdan:
Taken from Punit Soni's G+

Go +1 Paschalis Mpeis's post