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[Android General] dragontology:
I cost Motorola another phone sale. My boss asked me about the Electrify and I told her how they don't support them and why that's important. I did stipulate, to be fair, that they are well made phones and good if you like the software it comes with. But she asked about the Galaxy S3 and I was talking about it and the Note 2, so I showed her a video review of the Note 2. I think she'll get one. I definitely want one but the Note 3 will be out by the time I can upgrade.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
That fact they still sell the damned thing is maddening enough. Doesn't help that except for the lack of software updates, I've been through three different phone now and still miss the Photon. The hardware is some of the best out there.

Side note. The U.S. version of the S3 is just the GNex in different clothes (dual core). Only the International version was the one that got the quad core. The Note2 is a fine device, fast and has a ton of potential, had one for a little while before moving to the OptimusG.
[Android General] dragontology:
I don't think US Cellular still sells the Electrify. Their store in Washington NC (my local store) just moved into the now-defunct Blockbuster store (nice because it's twice the size of their previous location, but bad because that store was flooded when Washington flooded in 2005, but their old location wasn't) and they don't have the Electrify in the store anymore. Maybe on the web. They had the Electrify M and maybe the 2. If somebody did have their heart set on a US Cellular Motorola, I would only recommend the M. It has the greatest chance of getting updated (if any of them) and it's part of the recent Razr family, albeit the bastard stepchild of the recent Razr family. It's a 4.1.1 device, but I don't think it has a bootloader unlock or custom ROMs.

I did not know the US S3 was so close to the GNex, but that's not really a bad thing, development wise, is it? Also, US Cellular never got the GNex (or any Nexus), so there's that as well. I want my wife to get an S3 (or S4) but she's happy with Electrify, even the stock launcher, even though she could unlock it. Boggles my mind. She could be an iPhone user since she doesn't like changing anything, but is afraid of being teased by a coworker and a friend, both of whom think the only good iPhone is one that's been shot or run over. So she hates them as well. (Me, I think the iPhone is a nice mid-range phone that just happens to be very small, not configurable, and uses a proprietary charging cable. And not available on my carrier. Not a fan of the lawsuit-happy company that makes it, though.) But she likes the Electrify as is. And that's fine, Motorola makes some of the best hardware, like you say. And my recommendations reflect that.

Why did you give up your Note 2, and how was it going from something that big to something a little smaller? Optimus G is a 5" phone, right? So it's not small.

I don't think I will miss my Electrify when I get my Note 3 (or maybe I'll just get a Note 2 cheap) but I can't think of what to do with it. If Sprint would activate it, I would happily send it to my brother, whose Photon is locked with 2.3.5. But I have a good friend who works with Sprint, and he says they wouldn't do it. I might just keep it as a backup for my wife, or at least parts and a spare battery. Reckon I can send my brother the Otterbox Defender, since that makes it too big for my wife (part of why she isn't interested in the S3, the Electrify already borders on being too large).
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Last time I checked you can buy the Electrify and Photon directly from Moto. Carriers publicly dropped both some time ago. Sprint does however still have it on their internal price list as available for purchase.

The reason I moved to the LGOG was thanks to joker and Th3Bill. Th3Bill is tied up with all his ROM ports and joker and I have pretty much the run of the place, Crwolv and a couple others are on the LG as well. A number of the MoPho crew are running my Imperium Initiative release for the LGOG which is being used to troubleshoot LS's somewhat broken software/kernel.
[Android General] dragontology:
Yeah, funny that, you move to a new phone and the dev crew for it is completely different. I still remember the dev for my last phone. It was just one guy, like Bill, and as luck would have it, he's from (a suburb of) my hometown, so when he gave me his address (I sent him my screen-cracked phone to help him dev, he was working with the Sprint version) I said, I know exactly where you live. (I'm now on the other side of the country.) Would have bought him a beer or something. Guess that goes for you, Joker, and Bill as well if the situation ever presents itself.

How is it I never tried your ROM? I've seen your sticky here (well, in the MoPho forums), and I thought I looked at all the ROMs (well, those that are still around). I don't have much use for Gingerbread since the CM7 ROM I have backed up has serious WiFi issues that are also present in my wife's (completely unmodified) Electrify. Basically, it drops WiFi even when "never sleep" is chosen in the advanced options. And I mean it drops it a lot, even when you're using it. I'll have Data disabled and WiFi enabled, and it will just quit working. Same with my wife's, so she doesn't mess with WiFi. We have 5GB of data a month, so it's not a big deal, but WiFi is faster. And I actually don't mind Blur. Some of it (like the social stuff) is a bit much, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a better music app. Sure, PlayerPro and Poweramp are prettier, but do they display lyrics? No. Podcast support? Not there. DLNA streaming? Non existent. Blur Music is ugly but it's loaded, and the album cover flow is pretty nice. The Blur gallery is pretty good, too. And I wish the big launchers like Nova, Apex, and Holo would implement the... I dunno what it's called. Blur and Sense both do it. Where you have three presets, where you can have different wallpaper, different layout, etc. I believe that's part of the launcher anyway. But I will definitely check out your ROM. I know you (probably) don't maintain it anymore, but I have two GB ROMs Nandroid'd (stock and cybik's CM7), and I just offload them onto my PC when I'm using Jelly Bean. So many things don't work in JB though. So I want a GB ROM I can count on.
[Android General] dragontology:
disregard...
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
If I can get a copy of the original message, start looking for lawyers.
[Android General] matriX1218:
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/2/15/2799829/motorola-ics-upgrade-schedule

sent from my DROID BIONIC via Reliance Wireless
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
That's no good as the official page has a "we can change our minds whenever we want" type clause which gets moto off the hook. It was one of the first things I noticed when I broke the story. What's needed is something from Sprint stating an ICS update without such a clause as going after moto is pointless.
[Android General] dragontology:
Holy thread necro, and all that... Guys... I just got a voicemail today supposedly from Motorola. They said it was about my BBB complaint. They said they were still not going to upgrade the Photon/Electrify, but in addition to the $100 trade-up plan (no good for me, I sold my Electrify privately for $100 and got an S3 three months ago) they would offer me one of two devices. The message isn't clear; they used a Middle Eastern or Asian sounding person, but it sounds like the first device is a Bluetooth speaker? And the second is a Bluetooth earpiece.

Now I don't know, as the message is unclear, if I still have to trade in my Electrify, like they're offering me $100 plus either accessory... or if they're just going to give me one or the other as a peace offering. I'm almost certain it's the former. Funny thing is, like I said before, I already got a Bluetooth, and I got it from Motorola, and it's a damn good one. I'll take a second one, though. Either I can sell it on eBay unopened and make a couple bucks... or... my wife kinda wants a Note 2, but she's afraid of looking like an idiot holding it up to her head. If we get a Bluetooth earpiece for free, she may not have that problem.

Anyway, I'm just wondering if any of you lot got the message. I'm pretty sure they're closed now (it's quarter after 8pm on Friday) but I will call them on Monday. They gave me a phone number, and a case number.

/edit: They tried to reach me via email as well. Here's the text of the email with the case number redacted:

Both items were on their site, but I couldn't make their site work -- I don't know if Reddit posted something interesting and they're being hammered with orangered, or if they're fixing stuff, but the CSS won't load. So it's an Amazon link for the car kit and a C|Net review for the headset.

Funny thing is, I don't need either, but I don't want "neither" either... haha. They're not going to upgrade their phones, it's better business for them to just have most people buy the next version in a new phone, and offer $30-40 gifts (read: overstock) to the loudest ones. Classy as ever.

Anyone else get an email like this?
[Android General] hoslayer13:
I received one as well. I followed up on the BBB site to decline their offer but still insisted that they release the update, or just do a refund of some sort. Who knows how that will go though. I just don't want them to assume that because I didn't respond that my problem was resolved.
[Android General] atmosphere1991:
we hope MOTO show US the sbk and fi

we have a Strong Will to MOTO show US the sbk and fix our hard brick
[Android General] findthedr:
Google has sold Motorola Mobility to Lenovo. Lets petition the new people in charge for some support!
[Android General] dragontology:
I'm on my second phone after my Motorola. I think it's funny when these kids new to smartphones show their inexperience by saying Motorola is best in updates. Sure they did right by the X and the Verizon phones, but the Photon and Electrify debacle was really not that long ago.I like the X (wife has one, she really likes Motorola) but I can't forget how they did us. Samsung is also on my **** list for making cheap phones, but that's on me for owning a second one. I thought a couple years would make a difference. It did not. So that's why I can't just go back to Motorola after a couple years. It would be on me if they screwed me a second time. I have an HTC One M8 now and it's great. HTC promises timely updates for at least two years, and the hardware quality is at least Motorola level, possibly more. Camera aside it's premium through and through.

I turned down the gift from Motorola. Just never redeemed it. Tempted to see if they'll still honor it, for the speakers.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
just got Michael Phelps of motosunfire.com onboard. He has even placed it on his site.
[Android General] GPhoenix:
I just confirmed that the HREF for the link/button "Source Code Petition" is not working as well since it is pointing back to http://supportmymoto.com/#

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Copied from the Photon 4G section http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=32380913&postcount=7

AWESOME andr0idfreak!! Make sure you post their response or coverage here. ;D :good:

By the way, everyone if it is any constellations if you Google search "Motorola forum" then all the negative coverage of the fact Motorola is dropping ICS/JB updates for our devices are high on the results page. :cool: Only if we can get the same results to come up higher for a search with "Motorola" by itself.

Also, check this out the latest financial results from Google indicates that Motorola Mobility will be faced with additional layoffs unfortunately. You can go there to read up and post your analysis as to how their future may be affected by losing more potential customers due to their decision to drop ICS/JB for our devices. Let's see how that will resonate outside of the Tech circles when they think of Motorola Mobility and Google ownership. It is unfortunate for the employees who are being let go though. =/

Washington Post - Google broadening Motorola job cuts

Chicago Tribune - Google plans more job cuts at Motorola

Times of India - Google warns of job cuts at Motorola

NDTV - Motorola job cuts in Q3 to cost Google $340 mn; more cuts likely
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
We've been mentioned on the Motofail FB page;

Lokifish Marz has started a My Moto campaign on hsi website. The is an abundance of resources there located in one central location that can be useful to put pressure on Motorola while spreading the word of their Actions. Check it out, file the complaints, TELL YOUR STORY.

http://supportmymoto.com/
[Android General] NishantM:
Here's a screenshot of the mail sent to them along with their reply. They are one of the popular tech news website in India.

I'll post an update here once the news is live. The website is http://tech2.in.com
[Android General] upndwn4par:
This article needs to be included:

http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/02/15/update-motorola-ice-cream-sandwich-news/

Screenshot in case the page is taken down:

Link
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
I just hit the comments! Thanks!
[Android General] LinkSlayer64:
Has anyone contacted "the consumerist"?
[Android General] XxReApErxX:
Androidcentral AT&T Atrix forum

Good point, let's do that too, "Submit Thread as News Tip".
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Thanks guys for the work you are putting in on this.

BTW. Check the site. I now have a link to the Official supportmymoto petition. I should also have the site cleaned up and possible this eve and add irc chat for better coordination of our efforts.

I'm looking for those that speak Chinese and Russian to get the word out to those forums. PM me if you can help out.
[Android General] upndwn4par:
Count me in!

(sorry, forgot to do that earlier)
[Android General] bitbang3r:
It's probably a lost cause to lobby for ICS/JB, but this would be an EXCELLENT opportunity to DEMAND (repeat: DEMAND) that Motorola unlock the Photon's bootloader once and for all. It's really ****ty for them to say, "sorry, we lied, we aren't going to release ICS/JB for the Photon after all", but it's downright immoral for them to go out of their way and bend over backwards to actively *jail* Photon owners in GB by locking the bootloader.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Not a lost cause in California. Check the statutes and precedents. You also have to think "Did Moto really not have anything done on ICS before dropping it?"
[Android General] bitbang3r:
All the more reason to push for an unlocked bootloader... and any ICS/JB-related source & binaries they might have and can release (carefully crafting the demand to let them off the hook from releasing source from upstream vendors like Qualcomm and NVidia that they don't have the right to release, but making it clear that lack of permission from Sprint is NOT a valid excuse, and any files (like binary drivers) they WOULD have the right to release MUST be released.

In all honesty, I don't think Sprint cares in the least, and is probably too preoccupied with T-Mobile/MetroPCS right now to even notice, but it's safe to bet their lawyers would fire off a boilerplate demand that code not explicitly validated by Sprint be excluded.

In reality, they'd just be covering their own butts, so if something went wrong, they could say, "Hey, our lawyer demanded that (unapproved driver/app/source) not be released, so we did our jobs and we're blameless". The thing to remember about lawsuits is that both parties submit motions they fully expect (if not intend) to lose and have no plans to fight or defend, but do anyway just so they can say they did.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
That's the reason the goals and petition is worded the way it is. Ok, we can't give you X or Y but how about Z. I gave them room to work with the device owners. It won't make everybody happy but allows Moto to retain some customers and makes some customers happy. Honestly I think any of the requested things from them will go real far in their favor as a business.
[Android General] hoslayer13:
I have. Just got a reply today. I'm going to send them more info about supportmymoto.com and updatemymoto.com and see if they might run a story about it. Here's an update:

I followed up with:

supportmymoto.com
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
I'm going to email Laura and see if she could be our direct contact for this.
[Android General] spiral777:
Thank you

Thank you

http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1374534&d=1349331433

Count me in

randomquotenopr info

Sent from my mopho MB855
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Thank you! Please be sure to file the complaints, sign the petitions and share by any way possible. We really could use new submissions at this point.

Hey folks!!! QBKing77 is now on that supporters list! He should have a vid up tomorrow afternoon!
[Android General] Alaq:
Count me in bro! Even though I don't have one anymore the Atrix deserves an update.
[Android General] upndwn4par:
I really hope that hit counter is accurate!
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
<img src="http://www.freehitcountercode.com/counter.php?b=ffffff&r=000000&f=000000&unique=1&start=2229" border="0" height="30" width="120"></a>

the 2229 was from the webstats report from this AM (02:47 local)

EDIT:

if it helps, we are the second highest reddit share for Android.
[Android General] samcripp:
Count me in!!!!
[Android General] spleef:
count me in as well bud, is some major bs, what they are pulling on everyone, send me email or pm if ya need anything from me, ill do what I can...i purchased the q but returned it really didn't like it but thats another story....and now with this stunt they are pulling ill never purchase any motorola again...which is sad because they make a decent product most of the time..
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
I'm out of thanks for the day so THANKS!!!! I'll ad you guys to the list tonight or tomorrow AM as I need to rebuild/reformat the website tonight while i have the time.
[Android General] android-DEP:
Count me in! I wasn't aware of Motorola's decision to do this, I knew they pushed back releasing ICS updates for the Atrix & Defy at the last minute. It's irresponsible though to not release ICS entirely as

promised

to the public, kind of takes away a bit from the open source idea attributed to Android by it's developers.

Oh and just a quick quote from your site

Let's not forget about the fact that the f&#$@ng phone is named ATRIX

4G

but does not actually use 4G network at all. That being part of the name was a huge selling point to get people's attention to notice the phone in the first place and partly why I glanced at it prior to purchase. Disappointed to find out that it's the farthest thing from 4G, I'm still wondering how it's legal to get away with such false advertising on a product.
[Android General] upndwn4par:
Thanks!!!

I'm out of thanks for today but I'll hit you tomorrow!
[Android General] matriX1218:
Count me in....
[Android General] spiral777:
:)

Thank you for using the Better Business Bureau's Online Complaint System.

Your complaint has been assigned case # 94420461.

Correspondence regarding this complaint will be emailed to : popeye12487@aol.com

Please print a copy of this for your records.

Filed on : October 4 2012

Filed by :

Bryan Bailey

2848 188th St

Lansing IL 60438

Filed against :

Motorola, Inc.

Complaint Description:

motorola promised a software update for my phone, motorola photon 4g MB855, which they later retracted

Your Desired Resolution:

update the software, or release whatever builds they had so we can finish it ourselves

This case will be reviewed by a complaint specialist at the Better Business Bureau, and then forwarded to the business for their response. It is our policy to allow the business 30 working days to respond to your complaint. You will be notified when the business has responded.

---------- Post added at 04:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:27 AM ----------

Thank you for using the Better Business Bureau's Online Complaint System.

Your complaint has been assigned case # 94420461.

Correspondence regarding this complaint will be emailed to : popeye12487@aol.com

Please print a copy of this for your records.

Filed on : October 4 2012

Filed by :

Bryan Bailey

2848 188th St

Lansing IL 60438

Filed against :

Motorola, Inc.

Complaint Description:

motorola promised a software update for my phone, motorola photon 4g MB855, which they later retracted

Your Desired Resolution:

update the software, or release whatever builds they had so we can finish it ourselves

This case will be reviewed by a complaint specialist at the Better Business Bureau, and then forwarded to the business for their response. It is our policy to allow the business 30 working days to respond to your complaint. You will be notified when the business has responded.
[Android General] shabbypenguin:
do i gutta do everything? :P

anyways yelled at some contacts should have news articles about em within 24 hours. :)

https://twitter.com/Shabbypenguin/status/254080560182464512
[Android General] tiger013:
count me in.

article up soon
[Android General] k0nane:
I have nothing significant to contribute as I'm not a Moto guy, but I do want to say, I support your efforts. Good luck, ladies and gentlemen.
[Android General] XxReApErxX:
HTCManía: Atrix forum
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
Question. Are the folks also submitting the campaign to new outlets? I only see a couple news/portal submissions.
[Android General] stevendeb25:
Good luck guys. I have shared

Hope this pay off for you all.
[Android General] GPhoenix:
Heck yeah of course, funny you asked that, check out the Consumerist facebook page https://www.facebook.com/theconsumerist/posts/286993881413685 with a post that leads with...

Hopefully this will get a response from their editors or writers to do a story on the backlash and also get their readers to support our cause as well. We need more people to add comments to the post to get their attention though so they can work on a story if possible.

Tech Bloom is also covering the story..http://www.technobloom.com/motorola...ot-get-the-ice-cream-sandwich-update/2217575/

-GP

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Awesome and thorough write-up Dark!! We're all looking forward to a follow up by Casey to see where this will lead us. By the way, have you signed the petition here yet? http://chn.ge/PaVpIX

I sure hope the Consumerist picks up on our story and runs with it as well. There's a post on FB requesting their assistance as well.

-GP
[Android General] epinter:
Count me in
[Android General] upndwn4par:
I got busy with other things last night but will get on this today.

For the benefit of myself and others, what exactly do you mean by submitting to news outlets? Contacting writers? Posting comments on threads of related news stories?

Edit:

Android Spin

http://androidspin.com/2012/10/05/update-my-moto/
[Android General] tiger013:
http://bit.ly/OGN9AF

Update My Motorola
[Android General] upndwn4par:
Posted mission info at the following:

Android Central (right below christianttt :cyclops:)

http://www.androidcentral.com/atrix...e-cream-sandwich-says-motorola#comment-478372

MobileBloom (awaiting moderation)

http://www.mobilebloom.com/ice-crea...oton-4g/2222758/comment-page-1/#comment-13712

GSM Arena (awaiting moderation)

http://www.gsmarena.com/postcomment.php3?idNews=4878

GottaBeMobile

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/0...g-wont-get-ice-cream-sandwich/#comment-207046
[Android General] Notorious544d:
Count me in! :good:

2nd chance for Motorola to do something if they are worried about their awful reputation.
[Android General] Lokifish Marz:
UPDATE:

So I crashed out pretty hard and haven't updated the site yet. I'm working on it right now then need to update the thread. Sorry guys for falling behind.