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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
Well, there's at least 3-4 functional differences between a generic mount and our approach:

1. With a pass through charging like we do and other manufactures (like Motorola) you can plug in the charging cable into the back of the dock once and then hide it / tuck it away so it's barely visible. Every time you plug in your phone and unplug it there's no loose cable falling to the ground. With a steel enforced cable arm the microUSB also stays in place so it's literally a 1-2 second action to gently insert it.

2. the car-mode will be activated (assuming Samsung plays nice) and the car-panel will start. Drive with an application like CarHome Ultra for a day and you will see what we mean. Your phone turns into a terrific driving assistant with correct speedometer and your favorite apps within fingertip reach.

3. the aux-out can be run through the same cable as the ONE charging cable you are tucking away. No need to have a charging cable AND an aux-out cable hanging from your mount, both hanging over the dashboard (again, assuming Samsung will keep this feature "turned on" in the kernel).

4. The Dock can be used in horizontal or vertical position, whatever you prefer.

And of course, our Dock will not vibrate when driving as it is very solid at all speeds. It also features over molded rubber components, has a great small compact design and it will look very stylish in your car even when no phone is in the holder. The cost of manufacturing is a lot higher then the "$19.95" so yes, this is a premium offering and it's up to each user to decide if it's worth the price:)

More details later, but the above is the quick reply... MP
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
1 - Mine is tucked away anyway, as my charging unit is behind the dashboard and emerges just behind the car dock

2 - I have used car mode before, didn't like it that much - It's a simple enough mod to do if I wanted anyway (and if it even worked on the Note II)

3 - Isn't that what Bluetooth audio is for?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
The cable we have developed that charges the Samsung phone and passes through the aux-out sound (=sound from applications, NOT the phone call itself) will be made available as a separate item once we receive Samsung confirmation that they will support this feature going forward. They have supported the car-mode and aux-out for the past couple of years but since Jellybean started to update it was all of a sudden "turned off" in all versions except the Firmware for Sprint (S 3).
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
Good comments. On the Bluetooth side it's challenging since there's so many variables. A high percentage of cars from the past five years have Bluetooth but only a small percentage of these supports streaming audio. The Bluetooth stack in most cars only includes the hands-free profile and NOT the A2DP profile (Advanced audio streaming). Even on my personal 2012 Honda Odyssey EXL there is no support for A2DP (incredible!). There are two options left then to get the audio from apps (including my Pandora stations) to play through the car-stereo and that is either through an aux-cable or using an FM transmitter solution (not workable where I live in NY). The "aux-out" feature is therefore important for a lot of people, especially as our solution goes through the microUSB and eliminates the need for a 2nd separate aux-out cable, which could also create potential interference with your Bluetooth connection...
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
But you can get bluetooth modules that support A2DP and give you aux out so cheaply these days - it just means everyone else is paying for something they don't need!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
So you're saying you don't like the product and won't be buying it.

Cool.

They already explained why they took the route they did. If they accommodate what you want, it world be the thick cased people who would be complaining.

Besides, a half decent bt2aux is 20 bucks and a decent one (with aptx) is 40 or more.

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] TwiztedIndian:
The horse is pretty much dead man :-/

Whats done is done, and they are receiving production models which means there is no point in trying to convince them your way is better anymore, albeit I agree I would have rather had an integrated USB port which could have still done the pass through AUX, the fact remains that its not going to happen. The thick case rollers won out on this one...
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Travyevo:
I love my iBolt for my S3. One made the same way for the Note would be awesome. I am concerned, however, about the lack of audio pass thru. The car mode thing sucks too, but at least you can work around that.

How likely is Samsung to fix that? The other issue is that then we have to wait for carriers to send that fix along. Verizon still doesn't have Jelly Bean on the S3 yet. :(
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] TwiztedIndian:
Unless I'm mistaken he said that would work as soon as Samsung enables it in the Kernel...
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
I think there's already a custom kernel with it enabled. Perseus I believe.

So if nothing else we have that option.

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
I know. I just find it crazy that they could have done something noone else was doing and chose not to. Back to the official Samsung dock (which supports cases) and modding it to have fixed USB then...
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] drexappeal:
Lol...because they want to make money from the majority, not the minority. P&L becomes smaller if they went your route.

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I'm somewhat disappointed in the outcome of MikaelPe's report. I was hoping to have a dock that would be dock and go, but even with the cable being "hidden," it's no different than my routing a microUSB to be hidden behind the dash pieces. I haven't completely closed the door to purchasing one, but it's less likely that I will, especially with how great the battery life is on this phone! Using my International Note 2 as a dedicated media player has also been phenomenal off charge and lasts me around 5-6 days on airplane mode, using it as my dedicated music player.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
So they added to a saturated market place instead?

Yup, exactly my point. Not a single dock out there has fixed micro-usb (and how hard can it be to engineer an adjustment system to determine how far the micro-usb sticks out to accommodate any case?) - and there are loads of people begging for one (even by the looks of this thread alone). If only I was an engineer and had funding to start a manufacturing company!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
if only...but till then, continue beating a dead horse?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] serpa4:
Yes, till someone or manufacture offers a fixed USB dock, I'll beat the horse.

I think that iBolt has done great listening to customers. However, since it doesn't offer anything my walmart dock does for $20 I'll have to pass.

My USB sits on my dash behind the mount, the same as iBolt. I don't think many people have their USB charge cable just laying around, could be wrong. I keep mine tidy.

No dock mode (yet, dependent on Samsung). (again, assuming Samsung will keep this feature "turned on" in the kernel).

No audio out via usb, you still have to use a head phone jack. You have to be crazy that VZW will ever offer an update to the phone.

What does the iBolt offer that the ProClip powered mount for the Note 2 offer?

Fixed USB: ProClip

Fits cases: iBolt

Both work landscape and portrait (I've used the ProClip with thier window suction mount)

Both hold the phone securely (I've used the ProClip with thier window suction mount)

Audio out: Neither. We don't know Samsung will do anything.

Dock Mode: Neither. We don't know Samsung will do anything.

If the updates from Samsung need approval by service providers before release, we are talking 6month or more, if ever. Especially on VZW.

I"m just frustrated about this dock. I had returned my ProClip hoping the iBolt would be the perfect dock. iBolt makes a good product, it just isn't for everyone I guess.

I wish you the best in sales, honestly, but you are already competing in a crowed market with no real advantage.:(

Since I'm a Junior Member, I'll stop complaining.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] reinbeau:
The ProClip mount has a fixed usb connection. But you can't use a case. You can't have it both ways.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ranmakei:
When you say wireless does that mean from the car aux power plug to the dock or from the dock to the phone. I'm getting ready to setup a touchstone mod on my note 2 so that I can have wireless charging at home and the office. If the dock had something built in for not only wireless power from the car but also the phone that would be awesome because then you could have a complete wireless solution. Bluetooth for audio and phone and coil for wireless power. No cables needed!!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
Car-mode enabled on Note II

A bit good news on the car-mode for Note II. After some additional testing we've concluded that the AT&T and Verizon version supports car-mode nicely but it's "deeply" hidden in the firmware. This means a replacement home screen for driving, type the popular application CarHome Ultra can be used. This makes the whole driving experience much nicer as "Bluetooth on/off", "sound out through speakers" etc can be automatically set plus the much improved user interface. We have not tested the International software versions yet but we will shortly.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] androidaddict23:
I owned the Ibolt car dock for the Samsung galaxy s3 and love it if it is the same for the note2 in buying
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
Care to share with the rest of the class?

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
Come on Ibolt, it's a phone mount...not the next iphone. Stop taking your sweet time.

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
You could with the method I described. As I said, shame I don't have the funding to manufacture them!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
You mean using the same mechanism as the note 2 dock?

That doesn't have sides to it and only works in portrait. Thick cases would need to be accommodated in both sides and the bottom in order to keep the usb tip centered.

So you'll basically get a clamp type dock with a usb tip at the bottom. And you would need to dock first before securing your device so can't really use it to help you dock your device. Not to mention the amount of moving parts on the device would make it more expensive, bulkier, and fragile.

So you've basically invented a universal dock with an inconvenient fix usb dock

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] D3_:
No, it means the (much fewer number of) people who have bluetooth A2DP support in their cars are paying for something they don't need, while the majority of users without bluetooth A2DP support are paying for something they do need.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] drexappeal:
I understand the point Chris is trying to make...thing is, I do agree that people majority of the users are paying for something, but I think, to a certain extent, it's out of ignorance.

I bought a $9 A2DP 3.5mm adapter from ebay, thinking it was going to sound horrible, but it's been absolutely amazing. I just connect my aux 3.5mm connector to it (after pairing with my Note 2) and it plays perfectly. It even has a built in battery, for those that don't want to have it connected to an additional charging wire the entire time. Question is, how many people really know about these types of things and actually know how to set it up for their own needs? I would be willing to bet that the majority of the general population have no clue these things exist and those same people, if you asked them if they know what A2DP is, they'd say, "Huh?"
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
No - I don't know what dock you are thinking of.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
where you said this

this one.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
Oh you meant the samsung mount, not the dock.

Yea the samsung universal mount supports cases...but as I said, the order of operation is to connect to the usb port then clamp it.

This means you can't just slide the phone and it would automatically dock to the usb tip.

You would still have to target the tip to connect to the usb port...basically a similar experience to the ibolt dock.

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
Yes, but it's hardly the biggest engineering problem in the world to make a mount that is adjustable to these things and still fixed most of the time.

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Yeh, but you said it didn't have sides and only works in portrait, which doesn't match the description of the one I was talking about
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
Absolutely. I'm sure that's possible. A dock that's micro adjustable in all sides with a usb tip that can be adjusted in all dimensions (remember, cases will push the usb port up from the back too) and can be locked into place.

Question: how much do too think this will cost and how sturdy?

Keeping in mind the non-adjustable version of proclip is usd80.

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
Yes, but that's a proclip, and they kind of rip you off for what you get. No doubt it's high quality and all that, but they are way too expensive.

Sturdiness isn't a problem - there is a fairly intricate mechanism in the Samsung dock and it's very sturdy.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
But you can't go it the samsung way.the samsung way means you dock, then clamp. You'll be making the same adjustments as you would with a semi lose usb cable while docking because you can't rely on the sides to guide you.

Also, remember this part of the mount will be micro adjustable in all dimensions, it's not attached to the sides because those are adjustable as well...and it will be receiving the majority of the force everytime you dock. So it's a nearly free floating part of the dock and frequently gets applied a decent amount of force.

You won't be supporting it with you other hand since you want a one handed operation.

So how much will it cost and how sturdy well it be? If you can answer these questions, maybe you can do a kickstarter project.

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
No, the idea is that you make all the adjustments (including usb position, sides etc) once, and from then on it would slide in and out one-handed.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
Exactly my point.

The samsung way is not that way. So you can't just say it'll be like the samsung dock with a fixed usb tip.

And the dock side would still have to be adjustable, lockable, and sturdy, (while being nearly free floating)

So how much, how sturdy, and just how, in general?

If you can make a feasible design of this, you just need to make two versions: for phones with the port in the bottom, and one's with it on the side.

In the end, by the time you've made all the business compromises, I bet you'll end up with a clamp type design with a lose usb cable. Just like all the dock manufactures has ever done ever
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
I disagree. There is no reason something like that couldn't be done - just because things are movable, doesn't mean they can't be made to be sturdy.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
I didn't say it can't be done. I'm asking you how you would go about doing it that is feasible and cost effective.

"Why don't they cure cancer already. All they need it's a pill that you take and you're cured."

That's basically what you're doing. You skipped all the important part.

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] svavrek:
So, no 3.5mm cable would need be run? Audio thru the micro-USB would be nice.

There seems to be a lot of cheeze-dickery about this mount... Easily put, you paid 300-800 dollars for a phone, why half ass the mount? I'd pay 40-50+ dollars for good quality solid mount for an automotive application... DIY stuff works, surely it isnt as nice, but quit bustin' balls over it. If you cant afford a 50 dollar mount, why the hell do you have a Note 2?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] serpa4:
Not cheeze, money is not an object. I did buy the proclip and window mount for about $80. It didn't work. The ibolt, for any price, is no different than other non powered docks on the market. Dock apps are free. Audio out via usb, does not exist or does the dock mod "yet" with the iBolt. If ti offered a fixed USB mount, I'd be on it.

I'm not sure about the car dock mode iBolt is after:

A bit good news on the car-mode for Note II. After some additional testing we've concluded that the AT&T and Verizon version supports car-mode nicely but it's "deeply" hidden in the firmware. This means a replacement home screen for driving, type the popular application CarHome Ultra can be used.

I already use CarHome just fine. I have been with my generic non power mount since I bought the Note 2. This is nothing new.

Are they talking about something different?

What I want is landscape on my phone when docked without pushing a button. I.e. home screens swipe left and right as well as the app drawer, swipe left and right, not up and down when viewing landscape. I have a free app that swaps the screen to landscape (home and app drawer) flawlessly! I just have to push a button to activate it and it stays that way till deactivated.

I'd love it like the droid x, automatic so don't "have" to turn it on or off.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ScandaLeX:
Maybe I'm not understanding something. There is no such thing as 1 dock fits all so I'm not getting the constant back and forth bickering of discontent regarding what iBolt is bringing to market.

Those moaning are talking about how they'd do it but unless I missed something; it's just talk. Put your money where your mouth is if you're so unhappy with the product.

Some of us actually want this dock and appreciate the fact they're working on getting it to us. I'm starting to think these most recent post are meant to discourage potential buyers.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ChrisEmerson:
No, not at all. It's nothing like that.

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No, but not a single Note II dock out there has a fixed USB for example - we had hoped they would bring out something different rather than a derivative of everything else that is out there.

I have. I have another dock, but had hoped this one would have a fixed USB. A lot of people are disappointed and are going to express their disappointment - nothing wrong with that.

How exactly does this discourage potential buyers? You buy the dock you want for your needs - noone is stopping you. I'm not campaigning to stop this being sold, just having a discussion on the details we've been given by the company - you are welcome to ignore & not read these posts if you don't want to!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] drexappeal:
I'm still waiting for the supposed "update pics."....LOL. I think it would have been better off they had just not given any updates and their next post were the actual "pics and vids" of what is to come. By giving the little tidbit updates, I think it might have detracted potential buys. For me, only reason I'm still considering it is because I was careless and broke one of the custom docks I had configured.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
Ditto. Getting a bit impatient now

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Travyevo:
Mike!

I need a car mount pretty soon. Is this coming out in the next couple of weeks? If not, I may need to move on.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Bruh-Man:
My request is that the iBolt dock for the Galaxy Note 2 be able to fit the Seidio Active Case in it. Many People have this case, and it worked fine with my HTC EVO 4G LTE ibolt dock. Please make sure it fits the same case for the Note 2.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Travyevo:
My S3 worked with the the active case so I'm sure the note will too
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Bruh-Man:
That would be a deal breaker for me!

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Nada to the Flexi neck dock. Nada to the cup holder dock. Needs to be dash or windshield before I'd buy one.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ScandaLeX:
Not only will I continue to follow this as I've been doing from the beginning I will continue to reply based on what I'm reading. If you have a problem with that feel free to ignore my posts.

You don't get to say what you want then come at someone else for doing the same. These last posts have all been about tearing the dock apart because it's not like you want it. After a while when do you stop beating a dead horse.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
So eta January?

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
2-3 weeks... Production running...
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Phlip00ws6:
Looks like you guys have got it right, as long as the arm functions correctly.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Sistum Id:
Looks good. Just placed a pre order on Amazon right now.

How exactly does the arm work? It's spring loaded, so where is the button to decompress it?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Travyevo:
Pre ordered. Cant wait :)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
Any chance you can enable prime on the preorder?

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] rph10319:
I'm glad you finally post some pictures, but I saw some problems. One: cradle not provide direct lateral support for the phone, the phone remaining to be sustained only by pressure exerted by that two lower leg support and clamp, which means you can accidentally drop the phone on the sides when handling. Two: in which way you can depress the clamp?...i mean which is the working principle? (to press the clamp it's easy to understand, but to depress? releasing assume to press again or simple pull up the clamp?). Three: that steel enforced arm: 1. without the phone, will stay still and right or will swing when the car will move without the phone in the cradle - that will be annoying? 2. USB plug has edges thin enough to allow insertion along the case edges?...because if is to thick you must remove case before put the USB plug in the phone to charge, that mean you can't use your phone with the case on it because of that. Four: I can't make order or pre-order because I am from Romania (Europe) and Amazon don't send your car dock here. I think a good suggestion from me will be that you must use e-bay to (they send items in Romania, Europe).
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] williamsjscott:
Nice, going to pre order Friday!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
Here's the answers to your questions:

1. Once we have posted the video you will see that there is enough pressure from the latch to prevent the phone from ever falling out. Part of the "secret sauce" is also the fact that the rubber material inside the latch is soft enough to "grab" the phone. Hold off on additional questions on this issue and we'll do our best to post a video by the end of today (Sunday 16th).

2. The steel enforced microUSB cable with the arm will not drop or "swing" when there is no phone inserted.

3. The size of the microUSB plug is thin enough to fit all cases we've tried. I will measure it and post images of the exact inches/mm size so users can check before buying the product. Our goal is to have a product where you never need to remove a case before inserting.

4. If you live in Romania you can order it later today as we are just putting it on for pre-order on the European eBay and Amazon platforms.