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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] nerys71:
my garmin was always in portrait. then again I was using garmin software on the pocket pc.

its one of the REASONS I never went back to a stand alone gps. once I used GPS in portrait I simply could not ever go back to landscape ever again.

GPS manufacturers used landscape for TWO reasons.

initially it was a resolution issue. small low res screens they NEEDED the extra width pixels to place your "data" (speed turn road names etc..)

as resolutions and screen sizes increased there was no longer a technical reason to stick with landscape but they were "dug in" now. its how people expected them to work so they kept making them that way.

try using your phone gps in portrait for a week. if 100 of you try it I will be impressed if more than 10 of you switch back to landscape.

when you have a 5.5 inch display pushing 720x1280 pixels AND I run it at 240dpi. well space for my data is a "non issue"

I could never use the note ii without a decent case. its just too expensive to replace if I drop it and no matter HOW careful you are you "WILL" drop it.

I am a little less freaked now since I have an insurance policy on the phone (not sprints way to expensive)

Here are some screen shots of three mapping programs in both perspectives. and this is a low noise area. the busier the map gets the better portrait is.

Google maps

http://i.imgur.com/VFADB.png

http://i.imgur.com/7xnkq.png

Navigon

http://i.imgur.com/XAf7B.png

http://i.imgur.com/0YulA.png

Waze

http://i.imgur.com/GSEua.png

http://i.imgur.com/lNMAl.png

and once we get more customizable GPS software (probably google) the sky is the limit. you have so much more "usable space" with portrait where UI does not get in the way of mapping as much as on landscape.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] rfs830:
I dont know if this was already said but could you all include a good usb charger for the dock? That way we all know we are getting a good charger that will charge the phone that we have. Im looking for another charger for my S3 and my ibolt dock. With the screen on it charges slow.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] nerys71:
get a NOTE II charger. its fully compatible with the S3 (I have two) AND takes advantage of the greater power (faster charge)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] serpa4:
I can see justification on portrait vs. landscape, but I do love to see what is out there, to the side of my path, more than what is in front of me. Not for navigation, but just because I like to see what there is. I.e. when driving on a highway through town, I love to see left and right cause I will eventually pass everything in front of me, but not to the sides.

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Ha, Navigon. Haven't seen that in quite some time. They really had some nice graphics and 3d views. I really liked my old Navigon stand alone.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ScandaLeX:
It was mentioned in the video that one is not included because people already own or have a lot of them AND not including it keeps cost down.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
Install CarHome Ultra and then install their new "sleepmode" (see www.spinninghead.com for details). The screen is the biggest battery drainer so you are correct that turning this off when not needed will give you better time.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Lord Sekhmet:
nerys71 - Thank you for the well argued discussion of portrait vs landscape. Your comparison pictures convinced me to try it in portrait. One question, since you seem to have used many different navigation apps, which is your favorite? (Free or paid doesn't matter)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] rph10319:
Done...i made pre-order...
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] nerys71:
Personally? all 3.

waze is free and nice when you get stuck in traffic. sure it don't help that much but its nice to know "why" and "how long" and waze helps with that. (people ahead of you post how long it took and what the reason was car on side of road etc..)

Primarily I use google maps simply because its fast accurate and convenient. its missing some things I like though such as posted speed limits which my Garmin Software did (but garmin software is not compatible with android its windows mobile GREAT software)

Navigon I paid for. the reason I wanted navigon was for the offline mapping. what happens if I get no data signal? then google maps stops working :) I tend to travel wide and far including middle of no where and lakes ocean and river type stuff where you don't get a cell phone signal sometimes :)

one issue with navigon is it does a license check on startup. EVERY time you start up. take a guess what happens if your no data needed onboard maps gps program can't get a signal for that .5 seconds when it starts up? thats right. SPLAT crashes.

so root install permissions denied and rip that right out of it with prejiduce and it works as advertised. navigon is pretty good. it appears just as good as google for accuracy (though google finds things navigon can't sometimes) and it has posted speed limits for most roads (not as good as garmin but close)

so all 3 reside on my phone :)

I have tried a few others the S one can't remember the name. its just not as good or clean as navigon and google. not a huge fan of the igo 8 I think it was called. its been a while since I have tried others. I guess its about time to do another gps roundup kind of thing and see if anyone has improved since a few years ago.

btw I had not thought of "seeing to the sides" when using GPS.

I tend not to look at the GPS while driving. I can only see out of one eye. while my vision is fine my "FOV" or Field of View (how far I can see left and right) is about 35%-40% less than your average person (each eye can see more than 50% of your FOV there is cross over in the middle)

so I tend to use the audio instructions and keep my eye on the road and when I do glance at the GPS for a turn etc.. I want as much data in that quick glance as I can for what is ahead.

while GPS coders have made HUGE improvements in the "timing" of turn cues its still tricky sometimes to "know" what road you need to turn at IRL versus GPS especially with poor road signs marking the streets.

man I remember the old days. I used to get so mad at stand alone GPS and they were. expensive that I used a 10.4" tablet computer strapped to the steering wheel (no airbags in the 88 cherokee) and that lag was aggravating.

Turn left onto hill st and hill street ?? yeah you passed that 3 seconds ago :) hehe
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] reinbeau:
My Note sits nicely in my ProClip mount portrait and isn't in the way at all - I use the vent mount. I will say that I've grown used to the portrait orientation, that isn't really an issue for me, so now that I reconsider, I'm liking portrait in the car (it's on the desktop I want landscape, but that's another thread).

I use Navigon (which is now owned by Garmin, and they've done many improvements to it). Google Maps Navigation works, but it's too dependent on a data signal, which isn't always available, particularly in my area, when we're up in Maine, etc.

So nerys71 has convinced me I don't need landscape in the car....and that I am going to remain happy with my ProClip, even though it won't allow the case. It's too bad this solution took so long, I probably would have gone with this iBOLT if it were ready for prime time a month ago. I do have a vent mount in my truck, perhaps once this is all ready with an adaptor for the ProClip vent mount I'll get one for there.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] techrider6262:
The video shows it in portrait so it's a moot point
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] gingerprince:
So when did the Note II start supporting audio over usb? I thought samsung didn't enable it?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] serpa4:
. they are only good for stopping scuffing/scratching they provide zero impact protection.

Exactly, that is all I want, scuff protection.

I've seen a few Note 2 in the wild and none have had cases yet. I'd "guess" that those I see are more concerned about keeping the phone small than keeping it in perfect shape.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] farfromovin:
Quoting myself... still wanna know more about hacking a sammy feature.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] nerys71:
huh. when I got my note II I did not goto get it till I had a decent case in hand. once the rep opened it I wanted to put the case on immediately. she said she needed to get in it I said as long as your responsible for it till your done that's ok by me :) hehe

did not move from the counter till it was wrapped in some silicone :)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] serpa4:
To each their own I suppose. I bought two cases and decided to go with the one with less protection since it was thinner. I do have insurance and have also dropped my naked phone from my lap to the concrete already. O-well. It is an expensive phone and a case is probably justified. I paid full retail at VZW which as $750 after taxes!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] alterstill:
The price is a deal breaker. 60$ is far too much for a bit of plastic, even if it's good quality one.

W.

Sent from GT-N7100
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] nerys71:
huh. well I guess if you have the money its simply not a factor in the equation for you. I flat out can not afford to replace it so it is a factor to me :)

I never thought about would I wrap it in a case if it was no big deal for me to just buy a new one. I guess I might not.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
Note II with Otterbox Defender in car-dock

Attached are pictures showing the new Otterbox Defender case with the Note II inserted into the xProDock. It works effortless (well it better as it was designed for this size case..). You can naturally switch between horizontal and vertical position and easily adjust the postion. See picture from above how the Dock is "grabbing" the case. It sits really nicely in the Dock although I must say that's a heck of a big phone to carry around...:)

Dec 23: Updated pictures of the Note II Dock
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] nighteyes_wolf:
well crap, I received the iOttie mount lol. I simply hate having to return stuff...so I'll keep my eye on this if mine should fail miserably.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] TwiztedIndian:
I'm waiting for Amazon Prime to be enabled before I pull the trigger.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] farfromovin:
Pre ordered with the amps adapter plate for my existing dash mount. As I now have a seidio active case it was time to kiss the proclip goodbye. I'll miss its simplicity but have high hopes of achieving audio out for some good quality tunes via aux in on my deck.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] androidaddict23:
So when can we expect the arrival of this dock?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
Amazon says they eta Jan 7

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] androidaddict23:
Thanks just scene that you can pre order it for $39.99
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] zen0s:
What about T-Mobile Note 2? Will Car-Mode activate once I plug the cable or do I have to use Carhome application to make the device display in landscape mode?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] barry99705:
I decided to just use what I had. Modified my Defender holster to attach to my Ram mount ball joint.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/112607452244074089536/posts/1Ejh8ahm3Ga
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] farfromovin:
MikaelPe- is this 9' usb cable a charging only cable? Curious as I'm planning which charger I'll be using and don't want to cut that nice cable to short D+ and D-. Also, if we are to charge upwards of 2A on that cable it should be pretty thick, 20AWG if I'm thinking right.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] barry99705:
Wait. I thought charge only cables didn't have any data lines in them? Like this one....
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] D3_:
No, it has audio pass through too, USB and 3.5mm jack on the other end of it, I believe
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] skins07:
How did you remove the clip from the holster without breaking it or the holster?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] farfromovin:
Right, but that doesn't mean it doesn't also have shorted D+ and D- pins...
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] barry99705:
I used a small torx screwdriver (any small screwdriver will work) to pry the spring out, one side has more space than the other. Then the two parts slide apart. After that I used a pair of pliers to push in the clips of the pivot.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Logicfail:
I'm going to pre-order this for my Note II (as soon as I clear up the following question); Does anyone know if it's going to include a charger or not? And if it doesn't, does anyone have any suggestions for a good one to go with it? I intend to leave the Note II screen on for GPS etc, and would like a good amperage charger that's going to keep it charged.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
It won't

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] TwiztedIndian:
The OP said quite explicitly that it does not include a charger which was to help keep the cost down since most people already have a good charger.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] rfs830:
well it was hard to find a good charger for this phone so I went and got this

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001U04MYE/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00

it will do 5v out of the usb port and it fits just fine in my console. I can then hook up both power and aux out from my console using this car dock. not bad at all.

I have a s3 dock that I was using until I got the note 2 so I have been using the s3 as a media for now. works out well
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ScandaLeX:
To the best of my knowledge the GPS will stay on but the screen won't.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] dotelpenguin:
First off, I'm glad to see another product out there on the market for the NOTE II. I am a radio operator (HAM) and do a ton of driving in my vehicle, both for work and for fun. I have a few devices mounted in my truck the are essential to my day to day function. My phone is a key part of how I get around and gather information. I need access to maps, email, messages, phone, tracking information and music/audio-books at any time. The android OS with it's flexibility has allowed my to get everything I need hands-free, or with a brief glance at the screen. My last phone was the HTC Evo 4g, with Seidio case and mount. I upgraded to the NOTE II, and for about a month was going nuts with having it sit in my cup holder. It was not working for me.

I ended up purchasing the ProClips Charging dock for my NOTE II. It's almost perfect. I have 3 issues with it.

1. No case support. My phone must remain as naked as a new born baby in order to use this mount. This makes me a bit sad, I would love to be able to get a Otter or Defender or similar case to protect my phone. But I would have to sacrifice the ease of the dock. Unfortunately due to the time I spend in a vehicle the dock is more important and wins out.

2. No Car Mode. This is a minor issue I have solved with Tasker and car dock mode app. I have a TASKER profile that detect the blue-tooth built into my Truck, and runs a script to enable car mode, along with pairing my Audio, and launching GPS applications. Minor issue, causes a 20-30 second delay after I start my car before it realized its docked. Again I can live with this. It's not a deal breaker, but since you are developing it from ground up I REALLY want this.

3. Price. ProClips are expensive. Granted it's very well made, and I find no issues with the product, OUCH. $80 + for their solutions.

I have two vehicles, If you can build a dock that matches my needs, YOUR dock will end up in my primary and the Proclips in secondary. This is what I want to see from you.

1. Slip in Dock. No USB cables to connect, no Clamps to clamp. I want a 1 second dock and un-dock process.

2. Support for cases. I know from an engineering standpoint, a universal dock for all cases is not practical. Follow Seidio example, they support 2-3 cases in their docks, buy slip in sleeves. I'm perfectly fine with a limited number of cases (even one) as long as the case is well made, and reasonably priced. Mold around one of the top cases out there Otter perhaps.

3. Portrait mode. Although this is NOT a deal breaker, I really prefer this, it makes slipping the phone in much easier. A simple pivot on the mount can make this the choice of the user.

4. Standard Mounting attachments. I do not want a dock that come permanently attached to a suction cup. Their is the 4 hole industry standard for mounts. USE it. This gives the user an infinite number of mounting options for their vehicle. They can use LidoMounts, or ProClips and any of the other 20 companies out there that manufacture specialized mounting hardware.

5. Car dock mode. Make it automatically enable car dock mode.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
Docks already been made

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] mwlhrh:
MikaelPe or IBolt rep.

what is the diameter of the ball on the mount?

Will the grip from the dock on a Note 2 with otterbox defender case allow use on a motorcycle with with a ram mount?

thanks
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
17mm...Garmin standard

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ntron1:
1) No

2) Yes

3) Yes

4) Yes

5) Yes
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] mwlhrh:
thank you, finalhit...

any chance of a production run with a one inch (25.4mm) ball so as to make it easy to integrate with ram mount equipment?

thanks again
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] nerys71:
actually number 1 is a YES. there is no "requirement" that he use the usb cable at all.

if you do not use the cable you CAN one handed slip the phone into this dock from what I see (once you adjust it the first time) its a positive hold not a positive release dock. slide the half of the phone into the slide portion push insert release.

I would say that is "close enough" to a one second slip in dock. while its a clamp its not a clamp you have to clamp as he stated. it does the clamping for you.

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I believe you CAN instruct the phone to NOT turn off the screen when plugged in. would have to verify that.

FOUND IT. goto DEVELOPER OPTIONS. the second option is "Stay Awake" check that and it will not turn off the screen on its own if its plugged into a charger.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ricebucket:
Any chance of these being available in Australia?

Sorry if this has been covered. Didn't see it quickly going through the whole thread.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] GNex_vik:
It is not available on Amazon Canada!! :(

How can I pre-order it here in Canada?

Thank you.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] firewater88:
To iBolt guys in this forum- I too was planning on purchasing the dock with the amps adapter plate, is it possible to get both of those items on Amazon Prime once the dock is released?

I plan on mounting it to a Panavice custom bracket for my vehicle.

Thanks!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] farfromovin:
Probably, but I don't have prime anymore :(
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
They said they'll enable prime for the dock before it ships

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] pschatz12:
I tried to cancel my pre order by emailing the I bolt guys from amazon and go no response... This was weeks ago!!! Any help from ibolt in this thread?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] finalhit:
You can cancel your preorder from your "my orders" page at amazon. I dont think ibolt ca do it for you.

Also, you can change the shopping method without cancelling.

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[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Travyevo:
Apparently they are shipping on or around 1/14/12
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] ntron1:
Interesting. Did you get a revised ship date on your order? Amazon USA still says January 7th.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Sistum Id:
You don't know how to cancel a pre-ordered item from Amazon.com? I'm surprised you were capable of even placing the order in the first place. Makes me wonder who you even e-mailed for support. :silly:
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] pschatz12:
I canceled it on Amazon and it said it send the email to ibolt and I got the confirmation email also... But still shows the same thing in my orders on amazon and I have not received an email from ibolt about the or an email from amazon saying my order was canceled... I'm not an idiot moron
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] nerys71:
MEOOOOOWWW Hissss Hissss Pfft Pffft Hisss Meoow.

BAD KITTIES. bucket of water splashes on each of you.

Now play nice. or I get the water hose!!
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
We do answer our phones every day at iBOLT (yes, for real...) and we also try to reply to every email. I am on the technical product dev side but I have asked my Colleagues (who work out of a different office) to engage from today in this thread to answer any delivery and order related issues. However, it would be great if the thread can focused on product related discussions and not "administrative" stuff. We have the www.facebook.com/iboltproducts for that as well as the info@ibolt.co email and the phone 1-435-674-3512 (8 am to 5 pm MT time).
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Travyevo:
Message from iBolt on Amazon.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] pschatz12:
They just handled the cancelation today so thank you very much
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] farfromovin:
I got a great technical product dev question for you then. Where are we at on getting audio out of the usb AND have you confirmed (tested) that your cable will charge as quick as the stock Sammy cable?
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] scar45:
+1...as I'd really like to purchase this mount in Canada/on Amazon.ca. Please don't forget about us Canucks up in the Great White North! Many carriers up here have the Note 2, and there are NO vehicle docks of this quality available (I wasted 3 hours going from store to store to store today :()
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
Ok, thanks for the input. We will set up an offering for Canadians by next week. Being a Swede myself I have a strong affinity for Canadians, although you took all our good hockey players... but somehow they all playing in Sweden this winter... Strange world:)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
Good input. We will make a test video and compare using a quality OEM charger versus our 9 ft cable. When driving around myself it has not been an issue, it is charging fine even when running GPS, Pandora and the screen. However, technically there is always a slight voltage drop in a 9ft cable but according to our Engineers it is not significant.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] scar45:
LOL amazing reply! :D Well, we do need to thank you for Mats Sundin at the least!

Thanks for responding quickly too Mikael, I look forward to seeing the Canadian listing.

Cheers, EH! ;)
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] MikaelPe:
Updated driving video posted

All, here's a new video that just posted. This is showing how the default Samsung Dock application interacts with our car-dock. Since Samsung have dropped support for the dedicated car-mode we are switching and using the "SmartDock mode" (as they call it now). Essentially the same but the default screen works differently. Feel free to post questions or comments and I'll try to answer...
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Zenin:
the same as what other people have said, it should just slot in to a connector and then be able to rotate. also the dock needs to be less bulky and lightweight. A separate piece that allows it to be stuck on vents would be sweet.

and lastly your user interface needs some cleaning up to look more minimalistic :)

good work guys.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] Joe333x:
An option to mount on vents would be great.
[Galaxy Note II Accessories] drexappeal:
iBolt creates their docks with the same ball joint as garmin mounts, so u can buy a cheap vent mount with garmin connector from amazon.