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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ambetdelarosa:
its not working!

its not working on Sony's Album app neither on hardware accelerated Quickpic! It works on MX Video HW accelerated though. please click the link i have posted and help me make Sony fix it!

one more thing, a screenshot with BE ON or OFF wont show any difference when the actual screenshots were transferd over a computer. mBE only works with the SX or ACS's screens when viewing photos and videos. BUT IT DOESN'T WORK ON ICS.

the difference is CLEAR and APPARENT with it ON. CHECK MX VIDEO or anyone who had a 2011 Xperia phone with ICS.

ANYONE WITH EYES WILL NOTICE THE HUGE DIFFERENCE IN COLOR SATURATION AND NOISE REDUCTION! even those people who are not into technology and don't even care about BRAVIA or SUPERAMOLED saw the difference. (my office mates)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
This is what i've been telling them! But no one get it! I compare a screenshot with a hw accelerated video through MX player and see the different! Since pics are not BE rendering but video does! I meant I compare a still image with a paused video!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
be only works with sony's apps ie. album and movies. be has got nothing to do with mx player, the change you are noticing is due to the difference in software and hardware decoder.

you can find more info about be here

http://developer.sonymobile.com/2012/06/21/mobile-bravia-engine-explained-video/

btw when you take a screenshot it saves whatever is being displayed on the screen (that simple) regardless of the workings of be.

whether be is working on your phone or not you can check it by comparing screenshots.

be on:-

be off:-
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jvsykes:
You're 100% right..

I had already reported this issue we have on ics .look what they have respond

''''Thank you for contacting the Sony Xperia support centre.

We can confirm that the Bravia engine is hardware technology built into the display on your Sony Xperia S and not part of the software or the camera.

If you feel there are issues with your handset then please provide further information with regards to this issue.

We apologise for any inconvenience caused.''''

Well, It Doesn't make any sense!!!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
U still don't get what I mean! I don't means comparing screenshot! I compare and image with a video at a point of time where a picture in a video is the same as the image! And there's a difference between them! And if I turn off BE. There's no different between the video and pic! U get it by now?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
Dude just do me a favor and follow this if you don't mind:-

1.) Turn BE on.

2.) Open Sony's Album app and select any pic.

3.) Take a screenshot

4.) Turn BE off.

5.) Open same pic in Sony's Album app again.

6.) Take screenshot again.

7.) Post both screenshots here.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
God! They are the same? U wanna see? These won't show that be is working or not!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
yea i wouldn't mind seeing them.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
View attachment 1365456BE On!

View attachment 1365457BE off!

If u don't mind! Do it in a GB rom with a working BE! I bet the result is the same to ICS if u compare the screenshots!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
you opened the pic in sony's album app? if you did then be is definitely not working for you. too bad.

i just showed you my screenshots with be on and off, on ics, and difference can be seen easily, so saying that this isn't the right method to check whether be is working on not is incorrect.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
Let me ask u a logical question! As u know that BE emulate a normal picture into a more vivid and good looking pic! U agreed with that right!

Kk!! How abt viewing a screenshot of BE On in a BE-Off state? Still the look of BE on? - ACTUALLY IT WILL LOOK LIKE BE off like the one u capture with BE-Off!

How abt viewing a screenshot of a BE off in a BE-ON state? Still look like BE off? Why didn't it turn to BE-ON? - it'll look like BE on even the screenshot of BE-off since it emulate pics on screen to BE-On!

YOU GET WHAT I MEAN?

BE WISE!

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If it's working in ur phone! Do me a favor! Turn my Not working BE-on or off to a working one and share it to me I wanna see how it'll look!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
I totally get what you mean bro, but you are very wrong here. Screenshot taken with be on when seen with be off will look like as it was looking with be on.

When you take a screenshot it saves whatever is being displayed on the screen if be is working it will save its effect too. It's like what you see is what you get.

and best way to compare both screenshots is to compare them on computer monitor.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
But how Can I see ur Be working effect on my phone screen! But not mine? Huh? Explain!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Sirence:
?

Be is not supposed to work with ms Player.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] cracksquirrel:
Absolutely correct, But unfortunately BE is broken on my rom.

All BE does when turned on is temporarily edit a pic or vid when you view it, When you click off the pic it reverts back to its unedited state, But by screenshotting it it saves the BE edited version of the pic so even with BE turned off the picture you screenshotted with it turned on would still look like BE was turned on.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
be on

be off

look at them with be off on your phone or on a desktop/laptop computer.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
It doesn't save the effect! If BE is working properly , every pics will turn to be more vivid when it's on, and back to original when it's off, doesn't matter which state u screen capture it! Every screenshot save what it should look with BE-OFF!

If it save what it should look with Be-On than one could just recapture with BE-On for several layer and the effect is more more n more.... BE effect! But that's not happening since screenshot save it original pics!

If Screenshot BE-on look like what it should look in our phone that, that image could just transfer to other devices and our device simply becomes a BE- converter! Then everyphone would be albe to see BE!

What advertisement show is an edited image to show what it should look in mobile!

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BE work in Hardware acceleration! U can see the different by paused the video and swiching between Hardware and software mode!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Sirence:
All I can say is:

Be is working fine for me.

I don't know if you just got the idea wrong or there is something wrong with your software but I flashed the .50 firmware that was released a few days ago and it workes fine (see pics).

Maybe you could try to update?

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
I'm on .50!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
Are you retarded or something? I showed you two pair of screenshots in both difference is easily visible yet you are saying screenshots don't save be's change. Then how come there is a difference in screenshots posted above?

If you read about BE you'll know it doesn't just crank up saturation and contrast, it scans your image and apply effects according to the need, if a picture is already saturated and vivid be wont make any change.

btw BE only works with sony's apps there is no way in hell it can work with mx player or any other third party player. the difference you are seeing is due to different decoder.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
Have u clear data while flashing the new. 50? Or u didn't since GB?

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Sorry i was in a bad mood! Maybe u're right! I'll do a futher investigate! Anw how do u make ur BE to work? What did u do? Any mod? Or a fresh flash? Keep data from GB build or what?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
I didn't do anything my phone is on stock ics (6.1.A.2.45) which i got via pc companion.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] cracksquirrel:
Was it working before the .50 update ? I'm on .45 and it definitely isn't working for me

BE on

BE off
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Also isn't working for me. Anyone with it working, mind uploading the be_album file, located on /system/etc for us?

"I got my values. So you can keep yours, OK?"
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] lee480:
Why not you use the reference images where BE worked and try to compare again.

http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1365546&d=1349014333
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
I tested with the same exact picture someone on 1 or 2 pages ago tested (with him, worked, with me, not).
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] heart_of_life:
It's definitely not working with me. I remember when I first got the device with stock GB it was obviously working. When I used to talk a screenshot of home screen and view in in gallery with BE on there used to be great difference in saturation and noise reduction.

But now on ICS it's definitely not working.

And what's pathetic is that Sony says it's a built-in hardware!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
LET ME TRY AGAIN!

BE ON

BE OFF
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Sirence:
It was working all the time, from gb to first ics, then 45 and now 50.

But I think I read somewhere that some countries specific firmwares have it working and some don't? I could be wrong though...

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Here's mine.

http://db.tt/txE7dbDR

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Thanks. Gonna try later (no time right now).
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] technaudio:
For the last time.

Here are 6 screenshots, of the same photo, taken with MBE ON. Each one is a screenshot of the previous enhanced image.

Original

MBE on

Anyone else wanna tell me it doesn't work?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jvsykes:
..

Okay it dose work for you,but it doesn't for many people out there including me

So you cannot say the BE is working unless it works for EVERYONE...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Daniel_GB:
exactly....

i checked my friend's xperia P after ICS update & it is fine.

we dont need super eyes to see that if its working or not.

im sure that bravia engine is not working on my xperia s...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ambetdelarosa:
BE..

guys, i appreciate all your comments.. but please, the purpose of this thread is for us to work together and force sony to issue a fix. if BE is working on some of you, that's great! but believe us, it is not working with ours.

as ive said, i am very meticulous about image quality. at the moment i am getting confused about MX Video, i could just be my mistake because i remember that it does the same thing with my previous GSII.

because GSII's screen sucks from all corners, i chose to have it under SW because somehow i am getting a bit more realistic colors.

BE is not working with my phone so as with others. ive had Neo, Ray, and Arc and I know at one glimpse if its there or not. Please post a comment on the link i have posted to help...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
To all the people who don't have be working properly on their phone. Do a repair via pc companion, and check it in complete stock state, if it's still not working then take your phone to Sony service center and get it replaced.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ambetdelarosa:
ITS NOT WORKING! BOTH XS and ACRO S

seeing the comments on above with screenshots. i tried it with mine.

here are the results.

3:36:40 BE ON

3:37:10 BE OFF

my lil bro have the XS and mine is the new ACRO S. out of the box its not working!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] jatt101:
Works for me

First picture is with me off. Second one has it off. Big difference and I'm on the 50 firmware
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ambetdelarosa:
please?

I NEED YOU ALL GUYS WITH NON WORKING Bravia Engine post a comment on the link on Sony's forum. PLEASE
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ashqmallik:
How would u possibly understand the differences of BE on/off with. screenshots?? BE isn't any filter for images or videos!! Or an enhancement for da cam!! It's simply an enhancement for ur phone screen a.k.a viewing!! U won't b able to judge BE like dat. Though if u really u do wana test it out thn with BE on/off, just open up a pic in ur phone n zoom in to the max..it's all about pixels mixing..a bit better sharpness!! :eek:

Sent from my LT26i
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Looks like what you said doesn't apply, as I can see much difference on the screenshots posted.

"A scattered dream is like a far off memory

A far off memory is like a scattered dream"
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ashqmallik:
He clearly used some enhancements on them!!! :eek: .. screenshots are da xact image which came forth on ur screen, its NOT THE WHAT OR HOW U SEE ON SCREEN! try this, put a finger on ur screen and take a sreenshot!! Does ur finger appear on the screenshot??? :eek: :p.. Joking but more

logical arguement

would be of the matter when users started having yellowish tint on their screen..did taking screenshots really revealed that flaw??? :eek: NO IT DIDNT coz BE DOESN WORK ON

IMAGES

BUT ON THE

SCREEN
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
No. The Bravia Engine is a software gimmick. The yellow tint you mentioned is a problem with the glue on the glass of the phone.

I'm going to try the be_album from someone who has it working on my phone, which isn't working now, to see if changes anything.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] richteralan:
The amount of people failed to understand what MBE does is astonishing.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ashqmallik:
If it was the case, if it was SUPPOSE to work as a

software = enhacement

then photos would have came out differently after printing or when u copied it out on ur pc! DOES IT?? it doesn not, if it does not, then it means that it works over screen not off it!! and thats how its actually suppose to work! THUS! it fullfills it's destiny :p

OFFICIAL SONY STATEMENT:

RENDERING!!! not POST PROCESSING!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Please, put this video in 0:16 and listen carefully.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLWSBD77N_o

While you do that, I'm going to test the be_album I just replaced.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gazhead:
dude what pills u take - i wannna try:eek:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ashqmallik:
I SEE YOUR BET AND RAISE IT BY THE ARTICLE :p

http://developer.sonymobile.com/2012/06/21/mobile-bravia-engine-explained-video/
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Simply replacing the be_album didn't worked...

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It does not change the file itself, but it's a software layer...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ashqmallik:
..which is applied to the decoding step of the image/video itself for real-time VIEWING experience to improve in a way that is optimised to fit the human eye.

:eek:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
OK. You still want us to believe that everyone who posted the screenshots that proved that it's working or not are fake?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ashqmallik:
See for yourself, whats the majority of people who's BE worked with screenshot???
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] technaudio:
Right.

It is obvious that MBE is working in some peoples phones. mine included.

It

CANNOT

be a problem with the firmware, as many people are using the same firmware.

If it is not (or you think it's not) working in your phone, then it

MUST

be a problem with

YOUR

phone.

Sony cannot magically fix this.

Take your phone back to the shop.

My work here is done. Thankyou to everyone that agrees with me.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] heart_of_life:
Guys we should get furious at Sony not each other :D .. So BE works for some and doesnt for others. These never ending problems are really makin me questioning my decision of choosing this device.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
I'm slowly thinking that, in fact, this is the problem. I had a yellow tint ( never fixed because Sony Brazil released the phone after the problem was fixed, and they are ****ty about it) and now this...

"A scattered dream is like a far off memory

A far off memory is like a scattered dream"
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
SONY NEED TO DO STH ABT THIS! !! As far as I know it ain't working here in album!

Here is my experiment procedure:

1. Play a video in MX player with BE-OFF on software rendering, and paused in a bright scenes ( since screenshot is not available in Hardware rendering)

2. Turn on BE and check the video again in "Hardware rendering" in MX player (since software rendering won't be affected by BE) or Film! Compare the screenshot with the still image!

Another way is to switch back and forth on hardware rendering to software rendering! Since hardware rendering mode will be affected by BE. You could really see the different!

Result:

The scene in paused film is more vivid than the screenshot that captured previously!

Experiment 2:

1. Repeat Step 1 experiment 1.

2. Repeat Step 2 but with BE off!

RESULT:

The scene in the film is exactly the same as the screenshot!

Conclusion:

BE only works in Video since turning BE-on would create a vivid and color adjustment on the film but it doesn't effect the screenshot that just captured recently!

Once turn off BE=> the film look the same as the screenshot! Which means neither state of BE off nor on would take effect on album app!

Correct me if, I'm wrong or anything's fail in the procedure!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Tested! Yeah. It works with Hardware rendering...

"I got my values. So you can keep yours, OK?"
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
So many idiots...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ashqmallik:
Overall, it shouldn be a big deal coz this device works flawlessly when it comes to performance n tweaks :good:. If mine was flawed (assuming small ones) ill still stick with it coz its that better..actually, mine ended up with the white tint :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
If be isn't working for you it's a problem with your device. Go to Sony service center and get it fixed rather than trying desperately to prove the people who have be is working wrong.

Lol @ guy who says screenshots don't save be's enhancement. We have shown you quite a few times already that it does.

Whine @ Sony service centers not here.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Daniel_GB:
its not a hardware problem,its a software problem!!

its working on GB without any problem, its obvious that Sony has messed up with ICS build...

Fast capture bug, BE bug & ....these bugs weren't on GB so there is a problem with ICS software update, not the device itself!

if you dont have any problem, it doesn't mean that there is no problem!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Dpk1:
Totally agree!

Guys, please calm down! Everyone here must at least agree that mobile BE is NOT working for many but then working for some!

I don't have BE issue on any GB rom but then i have this issue on all ICS roms till date, and i know this coz i've downgraded many times to GB and checked it. For me, BE doesn't work for photos on ICS but it does work well for videos! So, it is clearly a software issue and not a hardware fault for which nobody is to be blamed but SONY!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
Give me download link of an ics firmware, we'll both install same file, and then check whether be is working for both us or not. If it works for me and not for you then definitely something is wrong with your device.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Dpk1:
Or maybe Sony f****d up the software so bad that it works for you and not for me! And whatever the cause be, its Sony who is to be blamed not I nor you! I'm pretty sure that we both have the same Xperia S, so why is it working fine for me only on GB roms and not on ICS?

Also, no offence dude, but i don't understand your obligation to defend sony in this issue. I understand BE is working fine for you, so you can be happy about it, you may as well praise sony to your liking! But as this topic says we (who have the issue) must raise our voice to Sony, you too should co-operate instead!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
Are u on locked or unlocked bootloader? Have u ever unlocked bootloader?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] technaudio:
How can it be software? 2 identical phones, running identical software, 1 works, 1 does not. IT CAN ONLY BE HARDWARE!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Piyush Rawal:
Neither am i defending Sony nor am i denying the fact that be is not working for many people here, all i am doing is suggesting, rather than creating just another thread on sony forums, take your phone to service center and ask them why bravia engine isn't working on your device. Get the damn thing replaced!

Locked. Nope never unlocked.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
It could be the point! I've asked two people that claim to have a BE working! All are in locked bootloader state and never unlock! It might be losing DRM key could damage BE in ICS but not in GB build!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] cracksquirrel:
It's software, now I don't know how it's working for some people and not others with exactly the same firmware and agree that that being the case would point to a hardware problem, But like some other people have said, On GB it worked for me aswell but now on ICS it doesn't, Has to be software.

Nothing to do with DRM, I had my bootloader unlocked on GB and BE was still working, DRM is for something else anyway.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
U didn't read it! In GB every BE work fine either in lock or unlocked bootloader! But in ICS they might chnage there security to only let BE to work with DRM key! But it's just my idea since two people that claim they have Working BE has never unlock their bootloader=> having DRM key!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] cracksquirrel:
Could be the case but I doubt it, DRM is a copyright protection thing, Meant to stop piracy and stuff, Doesn't make sense that losing DRM keys would stop BE from working.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
Who know? Since it's not working with my unlocked bootloader device and yours while, while it works with the 2 locked bootloader devices and haven't lost DRM key!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] technaudio:
Whether it worked in GB is, I think, irrelevant.

The OP of this topic has said on the Sony forum that it doesn't work in ANY ICS Rom, which, as myself and several others have proved wrong. What we need to find out is a common factor in all those that it doesn't work on, as we're running the same firmware and the same handset, neither of these is a common factor. May I suggest a new topic with a poll,

title : Does Bravia Engine work in your ICS?

With a choice of :

1. Yes, my phone is 100% stock, and I have never unlocked bootloader, never rooted, never used flashtool.

2. No, my phone is 100% stock, and I have never unlocked bootloader, never rooted, never used flashtool.

3. No, and I have never unlocked bootloader

4. Yes, and I have never unlocked bl

5. No, and I have unlocked bl

6. Yes, and I have unlocked bl

7. No, and I have root

8. Yes, and I have root

Etc etc

THEN you may find a common factor in those who it doesn't work for.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Dpk1:
How about a new Acro S having the same Bravia Engine Issue out of the box, no BL unlock or rooting etc ? See the link below (please go through the second page too):

http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/52579?start=0&tstart=0

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Please take note of this that mobile BE doesn't work for PHOTOS but it does work for VIDEOS for those who have this issue on ICS! So, the BE issue we all are talking here about is specifically wrt PHOTOS only. That means that BE is only partly buggy...that being said I wonder how can it be a hardware fault or an issue related to DRM keys?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] monivan:
We're talking abt picture here! Since video works with BE in every build!