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[Motorola Atrix HD] RedHazy:
Amazing Mod!

First off, amazing mod how and why it wasn't originally stock astounds me.

I bought from MALL ACCESSORY ONLINE on eBay, great purchase took 8 business days from them Somewhere, USA to me in GTA, Toronto.

I've heard about this hump people speak of... virtually invisible and the added weight is a plus seems more solid!

I've getting rid of my heavily modded G Nexus because of this greatness and LTE of course!

(It is for sale! with Palm Touchstone Charging Mod and more! PM if your interested?)

I wouldn't mind taking a look at the RAZR HD either maybe it's a mod waiting to happen ;)

I will post battery specs soon... FINALLY killed the battery took about 9 hours from 31% with heavy youtube and gaming use!

I will advise cutting the top lip! I, after reading this entire thread took the back black plastic piece off (8 screws)

Maybe not a good idea but seemed straight forward. After placing everything together (I put the battery tape from EB20 on the EB40, aswell

which may be why there's no gaps or openings anywhere on the housing). Speaker didn't work and my power button was extremely stiff. So I

tried the procedure all over again, this time cutting with scissors (bad idea) and exact-o knife (not the best, either). I managed to get somewhat

straight then sanded down the coarse edge with a sanding block (great idea!). Everything works golden now! I will add pics and show her off

soon!

I'm almost positive a fall may be the downside as the back is quite tight.. I can only imagine horror if my kevlar backed goddess were to "blast open" upon hitting pavement or like-wise! :S
[Motorola Atrix HD] smogtdi:
they are the one selling used batteries but advertised them as new.

they are the one who sold me the battery that swollen inside my phone.

http://feedback.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAP...hich=neutral&interval=30&_trkparms=neutral_30

http://feedback.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAP...ch=negative&interval=30&_trkparms=negative_30
[Motorola Atrix HD] souljaboy:
its listed as refurb now
[Motorola Atrix HD] smogtdi:
they were not honest so now they are branded as a shady reseller. If they sold used batteries as they were new, what keep them to sell copies as genuine Motorola branded batteries ?

they changed the listing because they were caught.
[Motorola Atrix HD] RedHazy:
Swollen?

What do you mean by swollen, I read earlier in this thread about your tragedy but, truly paid little attention because it seemed like an isolated incident.

Battery was far from new! But, I have a hard time with Amazon up here in the Great White. eBay is my main provider of just about most items, hell I'd buy groceries if they were delivered fresh and quickly!

I could easily see where the battery tape had been removed, and where the instrument was used to pry the battery out of a RAZR MAXX, I can only assume. Looked relatively decent for $45 dollars. It works, I think... I'm charging for the first time as I type this. How long did your battery last, Smogtdi?

2nd Cheapest on eBay for me, is $45 US + $38 Shipping... if, I sense any fishiness with my current battery I'll jump on the Buyer Protection Plan through Paypal and go for a new one!

Any where else to buy an EB40 that ships to Canada and is cheaper? Thanks

Total irrevelent side-question for Smogtdi:

1st. How well does the Lapdock work for our majestic Atrix HD's, does the mousepad and everything else work?

2nd. Is it gimmicky, or do you actual feel like it was a purchase well made?

3rd. Where the hell do you purchase one, for these magical prices I see everyone paying but, can't seem to find (eBay's are moderately high :S)?

A second thanks, my good sir.
[Motorola Atrix HD] smogtdi:
sent you a PM
[Motorola Atrix HD] fromanbr:
I'm having issues to calibrate the battery.. The phone always turns off at 40% .. Then I turn it on again and works for a couple hours and then turns off again and again...

Any suggestion to fix? I've run the "battery calibration" app a couple times already :(
[Motorola Atrix HD] RedHazy:
Suggestions!

Hope this helps,

1st. I personally took out my battery a few hours ago when I viewed that it wasn't charging past 88%, waited some time basically just wiggled the contacts for the battery so it wasn't connected, then back together and re-calibrate, back on the charger now. We'll see if it's a success?

2nd. I'm trying to locate hot to enter the recovery menu or even fastboot to enter recovery and delete the battery stats. Might be linked to this is why we are having difficulties.:eek:

UPDATE: Tried 3 different chargers, Finally Hit 100%! All wall chargers!
[Motorola Atrix HD] ATGAdmin:
Maybe you received a "refurbished" battery as well?

Sent from my H D'licious Maxxx!
[Motorola Atrix HD] souljaboy:
The key is to buy it with USPS First Class, its only $10-15 compared to the $40 shipping.

Its their under-advertised shipping service without a tracking number.

I'm also interested in this, didnt find it cheaper anywhere than on ebay.
[Motorola Atrix HD] fromanbr:
Probably i got a refurbished battery.. But i live in Brazil and there is no way to return :( maybe $50 thrown on the garbage
[Motorola Atrix HD] Mazster43:
Hello, first post. I purchased the battery from cellphone-repair-shop on Ebay. I cut the lip on my mod. No problems, everything went smooth. The battery would last 36 hours with heavy use in the day. Dropped to 6 hours a couple days ago. I pulled the battery. It split on top and expanded a bit. No warranty as I didn't use it in a RAZR Maxx. Just a heads up. Unfortunately I got a bad battery. Loved this mod.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Youngunn2008:
Another used battery from them. Stay away from these guys....
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
How long did you have it in phone before it did this?
[Motorola Atrix HD] souljaboy:
its another seller, and its sold as new.

if all these are bad, where do you get the "good" ones?
[Motorola Atrix HD] SirHoover2010:
Having good luck with mine so far from Amazon
[Motorola Atrix HD] Youngunn2008:
Oh I get confused sometimes. Heehee
[Motorola Atrix HD] baberswallet:
Anyone thinking there is more to these expanding batteries then just the fact that they are used?

I bought many used batteries for prior phones, and none of them reacted in this manner.
[Motorola Atrix HD] ranova:
This worries me. Maybe its a matter of time before all the eb40s will expand like this in the ahd?

How come there are 0 complaints from Razr users who have bought these batteries to do the Maxx conversion mod?
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
That is what has me thinking there may be more to the expanding batteries then just being "bad" batteries.

So far there have been two complaints, both complaints bought batteries from two different sources.

As someone mentioned above, there have been 0 complaints about these sellers from the Maxx conversion kit threads.

The Maxx is eb20 to eb40 so the AHD should have no problems accepting this battery.

I too think there is something more to these batteries expanding then just being a bad battery.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Mazster43:
I put the battery in about a month ago. It was good until maybe a week ago.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Dark9781:
+1 on that.

Sent from my Atrix HD MAXX on JB
[Motorola Atrix HD] Dark9781:
Just a thought. Maybe the battery expansion has something to do with the heat of the battery and how much room is in the Atrix to expand. For those that had bad batteries; did you guys cut the plastic piece out to do the mod? Also, did any of you force the battery into the phone? In addition, the opener of this thread has not reported any issues and smogtdi is one of the ones that has had the battery in the longest. Unless others start having issues it may just be two isolated instances.

Sent from my Atrix HD MAXX on JB
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
Both claimed to have cut the piece off, and the OP of this thread is one of the 2 people who had the problem.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Dark9781:
Oops. Missed that post somehow. But still. Unless more start reporting issues we can't conclude that all the eb40s will do this.

Sent from my Atrix HD MAXX on JB
[Motorola Atrix HD] Neroga:
I've had mine for weeks, now, with absolutely no problems. Popped my phone open to check it out and the battery is still completely intact.

Sent from my Jellybeaned Motorola Atrix HD MAXX
[Motorola Atrix HD] SirHoover2010:
I can say that if my phone has this problem I will sell it and get a nexus 4
[Motorola Atrix HD] ranova:
back to sgs3, for me. I need LTE
[Motorola Atrix HD] texaspro:
Done. I'm still baffled by Moto.

Love my new Atrix HD MAXX
[Motorola Atrix HD] Neroga:
Heating could possibly be a problem. Metal tends to expand under high temperatures. If you're underclocked at 1.2GHz then your phone most likely won't rise above 86°F. Tested this myself after a few hours of extensive gaming on the device. It's quite sluggish on ICS but you most likely won't recognize a difference on jellybean. Still just a fast as 1.5GHz for me but the phone never gets hot. As I stated in my previous post, I've had the battery in for weeks and my device is always underclocked. Took the phone apart to see if there were any changes to the battery and it looks just like it did when I put it in. Hopefully when safestrap is finished I'll be able to cook up a nice optimized underclocked kernel. 1.5GHz isn't even needed with how fast this phone is.

Sent from my Jellybeaned Motorola Atrix HD MAXX
[Motorola Atrix HD] Dark9781:
I'm always monitoring the heat of my battery and try not to let it go above 100F. I have setcpu setup to underclock my phone whenever my phone reaches 100F. Still runs great on JB and it is true that you don't notice the difference. Opened my phone up and no issues with the battery either. Mine has been in since the end of last month.

Sent from my Atrix HD MAXX on JB
[Motorola Atrix HD] ranova:
seems that the AHD runs hotter even with the stock eb20 battery:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1787573

I did notice this when coming from the sgs3. With all that in mind, heat will expand things, and if suspended to a lengthy amount of heat, it make over-expand or explode the batteries.

Would have to run stress tests on the AHD to see if thats the cause. Anyone up for the challenge?
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
You have instructions on how one can run a stress test?
[Motorola Atrix HD] ranova:
just run one of the benchmark apps on loop (antutu, quadrant, etc) until the battery dies. Do this for 24 hours.

theres apps to max cpu also
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
What app to max out cpu
[Motorola Atrix HD] SirHoover2010:
Did some research on li-po batteries. They can rupture if they get extremely hot while charging. So only use the charger that came with the phone for a safety precaution
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
Do phones typically go through a 24 hour stress test? What I mean is I dont think running a 24 hour stress test is good on any phone
[Motorola Atrix HD] souljaboy:
No, but its not his phone :D
[Motorola Atrix HD] ranova:
haha, well 24 hours is probably overkill, but would be a good indicator to see if it can withstand the heat and expansion
[Motorola Atrix HD] Maschil:
anyone tried buying a cracked screen droid razr maxx? and taking the battery from that..... atleast it would be somewhat oem?
[Motorola Atrix HD] deeje00:
It's an oem battery we're buying.

Sent from my ATRIX HD MAXX
[Motorola Atrix HD] Maschil:
yah i know... but someone were reporting issues.....lol plus it may be the cheaper route.
[Motorola Atrix HD] deeje00:
I doubt anyone is selling a razr MAXX for 40 bucks.

Sent from my ATRIX HD MAXX
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
So, till now, there are no reliable sellers for original oem new EB40s?

I'm wondering if it may actually be wiser to wait for Motorola to release the Atrix HD Maxx instead.
[Motorola Atrix HD] ranova:
cellphone repair shop is selling OEM, new eb40s, at least on amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Batt...1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353338580&sr=8-1&keywords=eb40

I don't think its an issue of "used" vs "new" for the case of the expanding batteries. It seems like the AHD is not dissipating enough heat, therefore causing the expansion. Even the stock eb20 gets pretty hot, compared to other phones. Time will tell
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
Oh okay. I thought it was swelling mainly because the battery was used and improperly pried out during the original removal (esp. with the nicks noted on battery purchased from them).
[Motorola Atrix HD] smogtdi:
as new as it was specified on ebay.....

you need to specify a reliable source for that assumption
[Motorola Atrix HD] ranova:
yes, its an assumption, but there's a thread just about the heat of the atrix hd, using the eb20 and we all know heat expands things. I have a SGS3, also, and it barely goes over 75F, while the Atrix HD can get to 95-105F when updating a bunch of apps.

I believe its a better assumption than blaming the purchases of these batteries and they are used or fake, unless it was clearly used and/or damaged. People buy used/fake batteries and such on eBay and Amazon all the time; I don't think the #1 complaint is that they expand or explode..

A lot of people have bought the razr to razr maxx conversion kit (which includes an eb40 battery, new back, tools, etc), from the same seller, and there have not been any reports of explosions or over-expanded batteries over in their 24 page thread. Why is that?
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
So the solution is to Atrix HD -> EB40 -> Underclock to 1.2 GHz -> JB?

I can't find any other phone that offer ATT & T-Mo interoperability and also pack an exceptional battery life. Are there any?
[Motorola Atrix HD] fromanbr:
I bought from cellphone repair shop (Amazon) too and I got a bad battery too. Same characteristics of Mazster43 battery. Bad seller for sure (and it was sold as new)
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
Your battery expanded?
[Motorola Atrix HD] Youngunn2008:
So under that logic wouldn't the stock battery expand?? Size of battery shouldn't matter.
[Motorola Atrix HD] gabo_e30:
Yeah it would expand but the eb40 has less free space to do so causing to much strain on the battery internal structure and having it break open....

That's what i think he's trying to say
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
EB20 has more room then the EB40
[Motorola Atrix HD] Youngunn2008:
Perhaps if it expands into a sharp lip. I could see that.
[Motorola Atrix HD] SirHoover2010:
I still believe that 3rd party chargers may be to blame. I was charging my phone at work (eb20 still) on a 3rd part charger and by the time I took it off it was VERY hot. Also lithium polymer batteries can expand and explode if extremely hot while charging
[Motorola Atrix HD] Youngunn2008:
I use the Motorola fast charge car charger and an HTC USB ac adapter with rocket fish USB cord personally
[Motorola Atrix HD] gabo_e30:
Not only a sharp lip.... if u blow enough air into a balloon it will explode in without the need of a "sharp lip". And since u have the phone on one side it tries to expand to the side of less resistance, say the back cover u took off to install the new battery.

I agree i think an OEM charger should be the only one that should be used.

Maybe the jelly bean update fixes it. Cuz my previous ATRIX used to get really hot but an update fixed it....
[Motorola Atrix HD] smogtdi:
I don't think so, removed the plastic tab and the back cover is flexible. And the EB40 is at the exact same position as the EB20 but the eb40 have less stress on it with the plastic tab removed.

and I always use the OEM charger.... and the battery expanded.

I still blame it on the ebay/amazon battery reseller.

and 120F is not even close to the battery/phone temperature limits. Your car interior gets a lot hotter in summer.

Test plans for system stress tests put them near or over 175F to test them for long term reliability.
[Motorola Atrix HD] baberswallet:
Another guy bought from different seller and had a problem, everyone is over simplifying the problem because its the easy thing to do.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
You do realize it is quite possible that both could be fake batteries sourced from the same supplier in China right?
[Motorola Atrix HD] baberswallet:
And it all goes back to no one on the Razr Maxx Conversion thread complained about a single problem yet 2 people within 1 month on the AHD thread had problems.
[Motorola Atrix HD] ranova:
exactly, the batteries came from the same source.

I really want to keep the AHD, but Im only keeping it if it has an eb40 in it; otherwise im going back to the sgs3.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
It is only two people who have had this issue so far right? The rest have had zero problems?
[Motorola Atrix HD] SirHoover2010:
I could also be they are real batteries that were just mistreated and had internal damage to them making them more vulnerable to blow. Then after long high usage days with high heat the weak damaged battery gave out.
[Motorola Atrix HD] AzraelsVoice:
Just putting my two cents in here. I sell phones and chargers for a living, and always get the argument "Why should I buy a charger from you when I can get one for $5 at the gas station?" A lot of people don't realize that different phones require a different rate of charge, and also charging needs to stop once the battery reaches 100%. Most non-OEM are built cheap and don't take those into consideration.

OEM chargers have regulators built in that not only control the rate of charge, but also act as a cut off once the batteries are done charging. So therefore, if you combine a non-OEM charger with a cheap Chinese battery, you could end up with a mess on your hands. I've purchased batteries on Amazon from Cellular Repair Shop before, and just save yourself that headache. Terrible seller.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
Is there a place you would suggest to buy better quality batteries? I'm quite eager to try out the Atrix HD + Maxx battery combination for the interoperability between AT&T and T-Mobile. I feel it is a better option than event the Nexus 4 since:

1. Battery life is important for most people.

2. It'll work on both carriers' 4G with t mobile launching it next year in the same bands.

3. Motorola's instant gps lock!
[Motorola Atrix HD] baberswallet:
So then where is everyone buying the "good" ones?
[Motorola Atrix HD] AzraelsVoice:
I still haven't bought one yet, but, as with anything, it's best to remember that you get what you pay for. Ebay's feedback is getting less and less reliable because all you see is "A++ fast shipping" and nothing about the product itself. Perhaps contacting Motorola directly for a replacement Maxx battery?
[Motorola Atrix HD] cajunaggie87:
I just ordered an Atrix HD and was planning on doing this battery upgrade, but with the comments made in the past few days, I'm kinda thinking I won't take the chance.

For those who have had problems with the battery, does the phone get damaged as well?
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
I think I have found the ultimate solution for everyone's battery craving. :) And I present this to you: http://www.power-skin.com/battery-cases/motorola/atrix-hd

The stock 1780 mAh + 1500 mAh = 3280 mAh. You get the same charge at about the same weight at about $10 more, BUT without the hassles of opening the case and risking leakage in the questionable chinese batteries!
[Motorola Atrix HD] Mazster43:
I use two Motorola chargers. One that came with the phone and the other that came with the bed side dock. I also was using a Seidio active case. I out the case on two weeks after the battery mod. I did cut the plastic lip. I never even tried to push the battery under the plastic lip. The eb40 split almost in the middle, it didn't get cut on the lip. I never noticed any excessive heat with either
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
I second this question. Does the leaking / expanding / damaged battery affect the phone itself in any way or is it as simple as just plopping in another battery (or the original battery) and getting on with life?
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
I been Maxx'n out for a few weeks now and no issues yet.

I have to say, for the money, AHD Maxx is an amazing device. AHD without Maxx is **** though. The idea of not having to charge my phone at all the entire day and have enough juice to last me the 2nd day has been foreign to me for years.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
Where was your battery purchased?
[Motorola Atrix HD] smogtdi:
I just went back to the original battery and recharge the phone every night like I was doing with my previous iphone 3gs ....

BUT as soon as I get the opportunity, I will get another eb40 battery from another reseller.
[Motorola Atrix HD] gabo_e30:
Now imagine 3300mAh + 1500mAh = 4800mAh

Now thats some serious battery life...:cool: :eek:

Not sure if that case will fit with maxx battrry installed
[Motorola Atrix HD] Mazster43:
The eb40 expanded and split open. the was no damage to the phone I put my original battery back in and have had no issues.
[Motorola Atrix HD] cajunaggie87:
Did you do any trimming to the inside of the phone when you installed the eb40? If so, did this affect how well the original battery fit?
[Motorola Atrix HD] smogtdi:
mine is cut and it didn't affect anything when I went back to the eb20 battery
[Motorola Atrix HD] Mazster43:
I only cut plastic lip. I didn't trim the cover. The eb20 fits about the same as the tape holds everything in place
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
In case anyone was wondering, here is what my cut looks like.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
Has anyone using this mod done a test of how long the battery lasts if you don't let the CPU sleep? That is, if you run an app that keeps a partial wakelock on the CPU, like most VOIP apps.
[Motorola Atrix HD] souljaboy:
Was looking forward to do this mod myself, but after about a week with the phone... standard battery life is amazing!!!

Got me past a day with 65% remaining one day, and 50% left a seperate day, had 2:50 screen on time... and I was fiddling with it and playing mp3 when screen was off non stop.

My last two phones, numerous htc HD2's and an atrix 2, could of only dreamed of this, they were 0% before I got home if I didnt take it easy on them, and even on a standard day came home with around 10%.

I dont use smartactions, but I dont use LTE either and have brightness on lowest most of the time.
[Motorola Atrix HD] shanghei:
Not sure what you are doing differently, maybe wifi on or something but reg battery for me was pure poop. I would be at 50% by the afternoon. Now I can hit solid 2 days of hardcore use.

PS I use LTE, ALOT.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
Is anyone using a VOIP here?
[Motorola Atrix HD] souljaboy:
yea i have wifi on sleep set to "only when plugged" and i have it and data disabled when i dont use them. also my day is about 8-9 hours long, after that im home and the phone is generally untouched.

i get 8% drain over a 12hour overnight standby
[Motorola Atrix HD] ranova:
ah thats why your battery is good; you disable data. Data and the display are the main things that kill the battery.

wifi will use a lot less battery than mobile data; so changing it to "never" sleep is better than only when plguged if you have your data on.

with the eb40, you can keep LTE on, use the screen for 6+ hours, stream music for 3+ and it will last a good two days; its just that good. I cant imagine going back to a "regular" phone with a regular battery.
[Motorola Atrix HD] Blue Bell:
Can anyone with the EB40 test any app that keeps the CPU on all the time with a wakelock (CSipSimple or Bria for example - CSipSimple needs to have the partial wakelock option checked in the settings) and post your results please?

TIA
[Motorola Atrix HD] baberswallet:
Why own an AHD or even a smartphone.
[Motorola Atrix HD] souljaboy:
What do you mean? I just like to keep wifi and data off when im sitting in class/walking/on bus when not using the phone.

But when I use it its to the fullest you can believe me :)

Also, anyone did the mod with an incipio case?
[Motorola Atrix HD] Neroga:
You can also just turn off background sync while the screen is off as an alternative. Keeps your data enabled but doesn't wake your phone up to sync every time a new email / update for an app comes out. Still gets excellent battery life.

Sent from my Jellybeaned Atrix HD MAXX
[Motorola Atrix HD] souljaboy:
Thanks ill try that