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[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] sicwan:
I'm getting tired of replies like this.

I don't see how it's stealing from AT$T, the phone itself supports it NAIVELY, you already PAY for the data. The fact that AT$T feels the need to charge and arm and a leg for it doesn't mean anything other then they want more of your money for something that costs them nothing. (you're already paying for the data, does it matter if its on your Cell or tethered? not really). Look at it this way, it would be like your ISP charging you for using a router and for having more then 1 device connected to their internet service, just because they feel the need to. Why not? They're only providing you with 1 IP address therefor you can only have 1 device connected.. right? its the same principle.. there's nothing stopping your ISP from enacting the same type of 'contract' AT$T has. It comes down to what's seen as fair and what's not, and how much $ AT$T can rip from it's customers and get away with it.

I bet most of the people who are "whining" about it woudn't if AT$T would allow them to add tethering to their Unlimited Plan, or had an unlimited tethering plan for those who where grandfathered in to, to change to.. If I recall, at one time, it wasn't "required" until AT$T decided to start selling devices that could connect your PC/Laptop to the net over their services. (I could be wrong on this but that's what a former AT$T Tech was telling me)

/end rant

My 1/50th.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Justinfedor:
Seriously people. You get caught doing something you shouldnt and cry about it. Grow up and pay for the consequences. U know u cant tether on the unlimited plan but still do it then cry when you get caught. Stop posting these useless topics. If you don't like the rules with att then leave. You wont be missed!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dippo6:
I tether every sigle day. I use my data for internet at work as our wifi is blocked so inly work related sites work. I have gotten numerous throttling notifications but never a letter like that. Now ive just switched to gs3 and am using clockworkmod usb tether but for 3 years I tethered with iphone.

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I know that I read in the jailbreak community about att doing one of two things 1 being able to remote check to see that you had jailbreak installed which the ability is supported by apple filing for the ability to remote disablw phones that are jailbroken and 2 a lot of people say they jist guess if you use a lot of data send u a notice and see if you jist cave several people said they disputed and att apologized and dropped it
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dLo GSR:
you can feel entitled or as rational as you want, but if you signed a contract, your ass is grass. period.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] tolosa997:
I use tethering all the time.....
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dratsablive:
I have tethered on my Atrix 4g, but on a limited basis. Haven't gotten a notice as of yet.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] G-Man.:
You still signed the damn contract... Read the contract. Then quit whining because you got caught in violation of the contract. Whats fair or not doesnt mean ****. If you dont like the terms of the contract, Then dont sign it, Find a different Carrier, or go pay for a landline.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Threezees:
Legalize tethering!!! Lmao.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] axel4401:
I used the capabilites from the WIFI menu using USB and Wifi hotspot. Am/was on [ROM] AOKP(Jellybean)Task & Ktoonsez
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Kyyser:
simple way to handle this

when you get the infamous text or letter from AT&T just call the number up in a calm tone ask if the phone conversation is being recorded. ( if yes record it yourself) explain that you received a text or letter from them. Inform them that you do not consent to any changes to your contract. Quote 1.3 terms in Bold and Underlined

Then ask to speak to a supervisor. rinse repeat and add a conditional acceptance on to it. I.E. I will accept your proposed changes to our contract with the understanding that AT&T will show proof that the line in question is being used to "tether" and that the account in question will be credited monthly for any anticipated INCREASE THE PRICE OF ANY OF THE SERVICES TO WHICH I SUBSCRIBE, BEYOND THE LIMITS SET FORTH IN YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE SUMMARY and/or overages you man attempt to charge.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] techjunkie702:
To anyone who may not know AT&T put an app to monitor whether or not you're tethering and who is connecting and what IP addresses are connecting to your phone so be careful before you try and get lippy with them they do have proof most of the time
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] annulation:
Please elaborate. What app do you mean and where is it installed, on our phones or on their servers?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] rquinn19:
Don't pay attention to that nonsense.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Kyyser:
"lippy" lol if having some knowledge about something that a rep may not is being lippy then so be it.

What good is "Proof" if you are afraid to sign an "affidavit of fact"? Your so called "proof" is hearsay until then.

When you ask anyone at AT&T about how they know if someone is "tethering" the canned reply is "the system flagged it". Now whatever the means may be i.e. hidden root app, webpage access, deep packet sniffing, all of these or something no one has thought of. AT&T will run into a problem if they share or are forced to share how their "system flags" tethering the concern is legality and/or uncovering how to circumvent it.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Justinfedor:
U have an unlimited data plan. Not a tethering plan. When u abuse the service att has all rights to change your plan or terminate service with etfs. No where in the def of unlim data does it state its a tethering plan. Sorry but you broke the contract not att. Stop crying and trying to find ways around it. This thread should be closed. Its useless.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Kyyser:
Don't be upset because you don't have/failed to retain/failed to attain with iPhone 2g trick/never had unlimited data until throttling for $30.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] coreground2010:
Captain sourices

While thinking about if the tethering opened another PDP context... i googled and found this:

proceranetworks.com/pdf/solutions/mobile/SB0003%20Rev%20A%2007-12%20A4.pdf

It talks about a tethering detection solution...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] coreground2010:
A better document is: sandvine.com/downloads/documents/Tethered Device Detection.pdf

specifically mentions ATT sending notices and has more details.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Justinfedor:
Idc about unlim data. I dont use data. Im strictly on wifi. What I care about are you idiots running your mouths acting like you know everything. You did something wrong so be a man and deal with the consequences. Easy as that
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] lgkahn:
Hey smart ass.. many like me never approved it or signed such a contract. When i did like 10 years ago there was no mention of tethering or anything like it in the contract.. anyway I gave not gotten the letter.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dLo GSR:
i'm fairly certain there are provisions in the original contract you signed that stipulate AT&T may change the terms and conditions at their will. EDIT: yep, there it is, on the top of thread page 9.

don't think you can out-lawyer their contracts team, unless you are, you know, a lawyer.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] djkinetic:
I made a post about this before....I basically posted word for word what the ATT Wireless Agreement states in regards to Tethering and what they can do, its pretty lengthy but if you are at all literate, it clearly states that ATT can punish you (Consumer) for tethering without a proper tethering plan however they see fit so long as its within the stipulations put forth in the contract. The fact that you might not like the consequences is irrelevant, the fact that you feel that you're paying enough already for data is irrelevant, the fact that your ISP doesnt charge you for using a router is irrelevant. None of these factor into what YOU AGREED upon and SIGNED physically or verbally with ATT Wireless.

ATT is providing you with a service for yes a fee, they are allowing you to use their resources for yes a fee, also they are doing so because they are legally obligated to due to the contract that ATT has with you the consumer. They do however still own those resources, so those of you saying its my data I pay for it, wrong its ATT's data & network, they're only allowing you to use it provided you pay your monthly fees and abide by the stipulations put forth in the wireless agreement you signed. Once you break any of those stipulations ATT has the right (which you agreed to) to dole out sanctions they see fit.

Bottomline is any of you that tether without a tethering option expect that you are gonna get caught, if you do, plz dont come here and create anymore threads about an already beaten horse, you signed the contract, live up to its terms even though you might not like it ATT is. No one put a gun to your head to sign or agree to it, you did so voluntarily, if you dont like it well maybe you should have read it before you said I agree or put your William Tell on the dotted line. Lastly ATT does in the agreement say they may make changes or append terms and conditions of the contract, and yes you did agree to this as well, is any of this fair or fair market practice you might not think so, but you did agree to it for 2 years so if you don't like it either file a huge civil suit with your courts or pay the ETF. If you do file suit good luck I hear that these companies have some pretty expensive lawyers on retainer LOL

For Those Who Actually Want to Read the Wireless Agreement: http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/articles-resources/wireless-terms.jsp
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] rob_rector:
What I don't get on the non Unlimted plan why shouldn't you be allowed to tether up to your data limit without paying them extra ....
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] djkinetic:
If you're out of contract the solution is simple leave the carrier for another carrier of your choice. If you are still in contract then someone did agree to it, and you can guarantee somewhere at ATT they have a verbal or written record of it. Regardless whoever agreed to the contract is held accountable to the terms and conditions of the wireless agreement.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] rob_rector:
I would be willing to bet that over that 10 year period AT&T has sent out either letters, or e-mails with updated terms and conditions. I never read any of those I get, but this is their way of getting you so to speak
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Woody:
Let's make sure that we keep this under control and not get so fired up that a tethering plan makes you so mad that you start name calling, get infracted, then banned.

Sure would suck to go through all of that just because of a contract dispute, eh?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] djkinetic:
Cant speak for anyone else but I never name called someone unless you count the literate comment a jab at some people :p
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Woody:
Don't sweat it. We should all be good now. Just things were getting heated for no real reason and someone reported it. That's all.

Happy flashing everyone.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zmore:
And in conclusion: Go ahead and tether for "free" if data-is-data feels right to you (especially if you're tier capped VS unlimited), but don't cry if you get caught doing something contractually wrong. :)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] G-Man.:
I think this thread needs to be closed... its useless...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] diablo009:
Too many tethered users over a tower, esp with LTE speeds, could jam the speeds for non tethered users... So its normal they don't want people to do this.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zoso28:
I realize this thread has become pretty useless, but figured I'd put up my experience in case anyone cares. I have tethered off & on for years on my unlim plan, but only with tablets & never had a problem. Various roms, various methods, apps, etc. Last month I moved, and tethered my desktop before internet was on, and I got the notice within a week.

So my guess is the same as most, that it's either the user agent string or the ttl hops, b/c those are the only two things different about my desktop. I also want to point out, that I used a lot more data on my tablet then I did in the couple days that I used my desktop to check email, so I'm pretty sure it's unrelated to usage.

Sent from my SGS3 using Apple's I.P.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] annulation:
I don't think this thread is useless, except for the posts stating that it is. I have learned a lot from people's tethering experiences in this thread.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] christcb:
Question

I first admit I did not read the entire thread but I skimmed several pages and the front and end of it ... so if someone has already answered this I apologize,

Has any ever actually had their data plan changed?

From my experience when I have tethered by using a custom ROM's built in "wi-fi-hotspot" I have received the warning, but when using other tethering apps such as Wi-Fi tether or barnacle I have not had any problem. A friend of mine tethers 3 nights a week playing world of Warcraft all night on his laptop and has never been warned. so I really have no idea how they are determining who is doing it.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] bigb252:
My buddy has. He tethered on his iphone, and they went ahead and moved him to a 10gb family data plan.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] javadahutch:
I tethered all the time on 3gb plan and was only ever hit with $10 /FBI overage charges....don't do that anymore though but it happened 5 months this year
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Triune:
Which is crazy in itself because you can tether with the 5GB plan.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Justinfedor:
Yes u can tether with the 5gb plan but not the unlim plan. Its called unlimited data not unlimited data with tethering
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] trini_flicks:
i think they packet-sniff now
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] tichs:
read this article http://www.squidoo.com/android-phone-tethering, you can actually tether in reverse saving minutes
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] doncorleone39:
Isn't there a way to tether without your carrier finding out? I remember there is PDA net on iphone that can prevent carriers from finding out
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] annulation:
Try reading some of the thread in which you're posting. AFAIK, the only way to be completely hidden, regardless of what phone your using, is to use VPN, and even that won't hide traffic volume.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zexco:
Don't be a jackass, tethering uses a completely different APN on the network and that's how they can tell you're tethering.

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You're provisioned for a few apns on the network...

For example, one is inet.carrier.com and that would be the tethering APN that you are provisioned for.

Another would be PDA.carrier.com which is the browser connectivity APN

Maybe if someone can make a tethering app that just uses the regular APN the phone uses normally they won't be able to catch tethering? Just a thought..
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] charlie460:
It will use the default phone APN, not the special "tethering" APN, unless you're using a stock setup + stock tethering.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] annulation:
What Woodrube said ...especially if you don't know what you're talking about.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] goodtimes50:
My understanding is that this is how PDA-NET works, although I seem to remember reading that some people have gotten the notice even when using PDA-NET...
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] MasterDecker:
I had this issue once before with them.

I was out on vacation in an area with ONLY gprs / edge network availability. Using JUST MY PHONE, to snail browse the internet, and found a game I wanted for my phone. It was a rather large file, and I had A LOT of connectivity issues. In total over a 3 day period I ended up downloading almost 50MB of files because of the disconnects and all.

When I got home I saw the texts and the snail mail letter they sent me. I called them and complained, and informed them of what I was doing, both the initial rep AND the supervisor maintained that I was tethering. Another Supervisor up and I explained the whole thing to her, Even she claimed that the data use was above what a phone would normally download, and claimed it as tethering.

I went in and got a copy of my log file and ended up emailing that to them. All in all my wife ended up with a nice new iPhone 4S, and we had our bill paid for 3 months.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] waiters:
I recently had to setup a vpn to connect to my office and have been tethering without problem so far, just been doing it a couple weeks though..

But when you are vpn, it forces all data(even non vpn traffic) through the vpn.. All Internet traffic.

So I doubt I'll get the letter since on my pc my external ip is in fact my router at the office..

And vpn traffic is encrypted so they shouldn't know what is happening.

Will let you guys know if I ever get a notice
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Justinfedor:
I think the person who started this thread should continue to tether and get thrown on a tiered plan, pay money to get a lawyer, lose and then repost how stupid it was to do what he shouldnt be doing. That's just my opinion.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] MasterDecker:
Even more wasted money. Now then I can see your point and to an extent can kind of agree to it. Now with MODERATE tethering, which I have done to my TF101 and TF Infinity, it is a non issue. But then again it brings up the "ethics" of a grandfathered in Unlimited data plan. Unlimited data is just that unlimited, and should not be forced into an unwanted plan. The data is the same going in going out, it is just data. Which device the data terminates at is and should be of no concern to the company. Their customer is using what they paid for, an unlimited data plan.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] altitude909:
Then you should get unlimited data at the speed of the plan you originally got it with (3g)
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] smartnphone:
But they choose to grandfather those who wanted to keep and upgraded to a "4G" phone with data plan.

The fact of the matter is that they offered unlimited data. It doesn't include tethering but why does that matter? Unlimited data is unlimited data. Don't market it as unlimited data. When you give someone something and take it away, he/she doesn't like it. They offered unlimited data and then the CEO says that "unlimited" is just a word.

I average about 1 gb a month with my Data Unlimited for 4G LTE w/Visual Voice Mail plan. There was one month I hit 2.1 gb. If I had known I wouldn't be using this much I would've got the 2gb $25 plan. The problem is that if I ever went over 2 gb again I'd have to pay a ridiculous amount for 0.1 gb because I went over 2 gb. I like the security of not worrying about overages.

It sucks that the "abusers" ruin it for us but maybe the carrier's"unlimited" data should've never been offered in the first place because they never planned to honor it. I'd be okay with a tiered plan if AT&T let us keep rollover data like they do with minutes.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] nakedninja42:
AT&T could not anticipate the explosion of popularity of the iPhone. In order to get the iPhone, you had to sign a contract for unlimited data and that was the only choice. Because of that, they did not have the infrastructure in place to handle the load of data and voice, so customers complained of drop calls all the time (problem still exists). This is well documented. So customers (like myself) had unlimited data plan*, so I browsed the Web as if it was '90s and I got DSL.

Well... I have unlimited data... I have a new laptop... I learn to jailbreak... Now I can tether... That mentality lead to even higher data consumption and AT&T had to do something to keep customers on their network. So you have millions of customers with iPhones and everyone has unlimited data... What does a company do to fix their mistake...In came the idea of tiered plans with tethering so they can eventually crack down on customers to force them to stop tethering due to their policy enforced with a contract.

So that in combination with smartnphone comment is why I'm pissed that I'm not allowed to tether today. I don't care that its a policy so get over it dude attitude, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

*note: I only owned an iPhone for a week, I broke it and gave the screen to TheRaffMan then got HTC Purecrap, so either way I was stuck getting unlimited.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] altitude909:
for one thing, there was no tethering when the unlimited plans were availble.

the assumption that 'i had this plan so why cant i keep it forever' is a little absurd, this market is continously changing and what was true when u signed that 2 year contract years ago is not the case now. the terms of use have a "terms subject to change" clause and they could easily ax the whole grandfather thing if they wanted to
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] nakedninja42:
No plans, but people were able to tether. That's my point... I've been tethering for 10 years, then they decide to make it a plan so they could make more money and stop people from overuse of unlimited data.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] nakedninja42:
Double post
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] smartnphone:
Maybe they should've and made it more clear what unlimited meant to them. I wouldn't have renewed a 2 year contract with AT&T if I had known.

9 more months left on my contract.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] stevencpoynter:
Wow what a bunch of pricks. Glad I left them long ago.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zexco:
you... read, thanks
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] TRusselo:
A recent FCC ruling makes it ILLEGAL for ATT (any carrier) to charge you extra for tethering.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...ns-fcc-tethering-settlement-means-to-you-faq/

Period. Tell them if they shut you off or restrict your plan you can file a complaint with the FCC, and subsequently take them to court over the issue when the FCC fines them for breaking a rule that they have already ruled upon against Verizon.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] waiters:
I think that's only applies to the 700mhz spectrum. Mentions nothing about att etc in that article either.

There were many rules put in place regarding it being an "open" spectrum before anybody could bid.. And whoever won.. Vzw in this case, had to honor the agreement.

Search Wikipedia for "700mhz auction"
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] krips2003:
I think that should apply to all the carriers. If that's not the case then by that logic Verizon didn't do anything illegal. Since the case was brought against Verizon, fcc ruled against Verizon. The same will apply to any other carriers.