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[Nook HD, HD+ General] roustabout:
I have a total of two useful things to mention at this point -- one, you can skip the out of box experience the same way as you could the nook color (volume up + tap lower left + tap lower right to get to 'factory mode,' then volume up + tap lower right - almost at the margin of the screen - to bring up the skip oobe tile) and two, if you put one of these onto wifi, even after you've skipped OOBE, your device will get a forced OTA update from software 2.0.0 to software 2.0.2.

I'm not happy about that last, as my laptop isn't doing well at getting ADB running and seeing this device but I'd skipped OBE in hopes of pulling a factory recovery off of it before the update.

Flipboard installs and cries about too much real estate.

Something I like a lot is the full 360 degree rotation of the home screen.

something very interesting is that connecting to an XP box (as a VM) and not permitting the drivers to install brings up a mass storage component with a Mac OS dmg file - I thought that was very interesting to see.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] skipped:
Sideloading is possible in Nook HD+, confirmed by user roustabout in the BookClubs forum from Barnes and Noble.

It has to be done via ADB.

This is great news I think.

Source: http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...Answers-Thread-Unofficial/td-p/1401698/page/3

Message Number 45
[Nook HD, HD+ General] someone0:
IDK about him but I still having problem trying to install the driver.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] roustabout:
The driver is a bit of a chore. The element of it that I missed was the bit where you have to edit the adb_usb.ini file to match what's in the guide. As soon as I did that, I had connectivity. (as i'd installed the driver itself following the guide fairly carefully, after uninstalling the other Android drivers on my computer.)

I'm able to install most things via adb install appname.apk with a few exceptions.

For those who are interested, this is the partitioning of the device:

shell@android:/dev/block/platform/omap/omap_hsmmc.1/by-name $ ls -l

ls -l

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2012-11-03 17:31 boot -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p4

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2012-11-03 17:31 bootdata -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p6

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2012-11-03 17:31 bootloader -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p2

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2012-11-03 17:31 cache -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p9

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2012-11-03 17:31 factory -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p7

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2012-11-03 17:31 recovery -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p3

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2012-11-03 17:31 rom -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p5

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2012-11-03 17:31 system -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p8

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2012-11-03 17:31 userdata -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p10

lrwxrwxrwx root root 2012-11-03 17:31 xloader -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p1

The ICS root script that makes use of the ADB recovery commands appears not to work on this unit - not to say there won't be a rooting tool down the road but there's a tool which at first looked very widely applicable and appears not to be.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] The Old One:
Does anyone have a link to the easy sideloader program? I don't remember what it was called but if I recall it ran on windows and was just a gui that did adb install of the app you chose in it.

Sent from Droid 4 Running Codename Android
[Nook HD, HD+ General] AyeBeAPirate:
I'm posting this from Chrome on my HD+, so yes, I can confirm you can sideload using ADB. I hadn't done that before so it took a little learning but worked easily enough.

From the app menu, hold volume up then press on "Apps" for two seconds, that opens the app drawer.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] roustabout:
I'm confused about what you're describing here -- is this a workaround for not having a launcher installed?

I just installed Zeam and called it good. anycut let me link to the Home activity for those times when I want the standard software load.

I did some benching on the HD+, and I'd say BN blew the 2d graphics drivers pretty badly. My phone does better than this in 2d. Yes granted it's pushing about 1/4 of the pixels (960 x 540 as opposed to 1900 x 1200) but it's a two year old phone now and the HD+ does better on the 3d benchmarks than the phone does, which suggests a crap 2d implementation.

I hope they fix that, because as delivered I am running into lag fairly predictably and I've compared it to store units (unmodded) and those, too, are easy to lag.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] fattire:
So if you've all got HDs and HD+s... has anyone found the kernel/bootloader/other GPL'd source yet? Usually they're halfway down the Terms and Conditions page on BN's site. But I haven't found it yet for the new devices...
[Nook HD, HD+ General] The Old One:
They are not required to realise the source right away. Check back in 2 weeks

Sent from Droid 4 Running Codename Android
[Nook HD, HD+ General] roustabout:
Remember, the device isn't officially in release just yet - if you look at the support page at http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/NOOK-Support/379003184 the HD and HD+ aren't yet listed.

I took a run at making a boot SD card using prebuilt binaries I found here:

http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/Android:_Working_with_pre-built_binaries

and got as far as a USB stick that prevented my computer from booting properly when I restarted to get into linux to get a real look at the partitions, but the HD+ was not affected when I (tried) imaging that USB stick onto a card. The problem I'm running into is that on my laptop, the card isn't visible to linux. I've never successfully done cross-compiling so I'm unlikely to get too far with a build from source. (But I may - what I was trying to compile last time wasn't a kernel but gpt fdisk, which was looking for libraries I didn't have access to or knowledge of, and I at least got far enough to get errors on compile.)
[Nook HD, HD+ General] Zen Monkey:
I work for Barnes & Noble and I've had some hands-on time with the new HD+

Overall, I like it. It's a little laggy when sliding between screens while running the Moby **** live wallpaper they ship it with. But the screen looks pretty damn good and it's really light weight! I was surprised by the lightness of it. It doesn't feel at all heavier than the tablet or the color.

The B&N OS is MUCH better than the old one. But, I still don't like it enough to buy it if there isn't a way to run pure JB or ICS.

Apparently there were some people who came into the store while I wasn't working and they booted up JB or ICS through the SD slot. I'm not sure which one though as I wasn't working and everyone else there doesn't know much about Android. They just said that "They turned it into an Android tablet by putting in an SD card!"

We still haven't received shipments of the regular HD, which is the one I was interested in, yet. I'll post again when I get some hands-on time with it.

But- I have to say I'm impressed with them. If there's a way to root it or SD-boot JB then I'm game on buying one. (After I check out the Nexus 7 32 or if the Nexus 10 comes out)
[Nook HD, HD+ General] someone0:
Since we don't have the Nook HD/HD+ forum yet, if anyone having problem skipping OOBE, I make a WP page for it.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] someone0:
The website doesn't have the new Nook ToS pages up yet, and going through Settings>Device Information>Legal Information>Terms and Conditions show a message that said "Terms and Conditions are not available".
[Nook HD, HD+ General] GMPOWER:
The Nook HD/HD+ "Terms and Conditions" page did go live today, LINK, and the direct link to the source code, LINK.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] The Old One:
Code went up a lot faster than I expected. I'm looking at it now and will tell if I find anything but I'm not a real coder so I will miss things.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] fattire:
I'm on my phone now but will take a look tonight too.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] fattire:
More info

Looks like the codenames are:

"hummingbird" (Nook HD)

"ovation" (Nook HD+)

Remember that Nook tablet is "acclaim" and Nook Color is "encore". I don't remember the touch and other ones...

The u-boot (bootloader) source is now here on github.

Both hummingbird and ovation build without any problem. They do not have the signatures on them, which aparently are needed.

I don't have time to look carefully right now, but anyone interested can take a close look at this file and compare with changes we made to CyanoBoot for nook tablet.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] dbh369:
Just got mine (HD+) in the mail. Pretty nice, but boring which I have Jelly Belly on my GNex... Sorry I'm not a dev so can't help much, but let me know if you need a tester...
[Nook HD, HD+ General] fattire:
can you use adb and show the results of these commands:

$ mount

$ df

$ cat /proc/partitions

This would be... helpful.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] dong1225:
Hello fattire! I've found this thread and as another HD+ owner, I was wondering if I can help too. Hopefully I'm doing this right: http://pastebin.com/SXHtvd03

Much thanks for your work as always.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] jackofalltrades:
does anyone have the adb drivers for the nook hd+?
[Nook HD, HD+ General] dong1225:
You can get them from Barnes and Noble developer program site: https://nookdeveloper.barnesandnoble.com

If you've signed up for the program and logged into the account, this link should be available: https://nookdeveloper.zendesk.com/entries/22084221-windows-drivers-for-nook

Or just use my mirror (if it's still up for whoever reads this that is): http://cl.ly/KklO

Here's B&N's own instructions to install it on Windows: https://nookdeveloper.zendesk.com/e...loper-start-up-guide#_Install_Android_Drivers

I had problem installing it on my Windows 8 partition so I just did the adb process in OS X without problem.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] roustabout:
I'll second the 'these are kinda annoying, as ADB USB drivers go' sentiment.

Pay close attention to the guide, it's quite good.

If you hurry, you'll probably spend a lot more time figuring out what step you skipped than if you take your time. (this was my experience, anyhow.)
[Nook HD, HD+ General] dbh369:
Will give it a shot, but I'm running XP, not clear the drivers will work, seems they only support W7 or Vista.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] krylon360:
I'll probably be picking up a HD next week. =)
[Nook HD, HD+ General] krylon360:
could you do a sysdump?
[Nook HD, HD+ General] someone0:
BTW there is one thing I notice when I coldboot the nook while the cable is hooked to the pc. The device manager for a brief moment show another device "OMAP4470" then disappear. I don't know what it does or how to retain that mode. I have tried different key combination. I guess it's something similar to odin or nvflash?

One important big note: ONCE ENABLE ADB, YOU HAVE TO REBOOT FOR ADB TO TAKE EFFECT. Now after factory reset I can have ADB w/o going through skip OOBE or register.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] les02jen17:
I started this thread hoping to get you guys opinions... and now it's looking like everyone seems to be interested in developing it! :D I'm really torn now. I was hoping to wait for the 3G version of the Nexus 7... but I like the Nook HD's design and the fact that it has a micro SD slot too... aww! :confused:
[Nook HD, HD+ General] someone0:
We can't remount nor we have root access, so a sysdump won't be complete?

---------- Post added at 10:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:10 AM ----------

I gave you my opinion on post count #95
[Nook HD, HD+ General] krylon360:
you dont need to remount, nor need root.

adb pull /system

;)
[Nook HD, HD+ General] dbh369:
another thread getting started on this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1968489&page=4
[Nook HD, HD+ General] fattire:
Ugh multiple forums aren't needed/helpful. But anyway, there are ideas being looked at. Could go nowhere.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] dong1225:
Yeah, I've posted on New Device Forum request thread, but no separate forum for HD/HD+ yet. I think we should consolidate all discussion to this one for the time being.

Here's my result: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2494821/system.zip (should finish upload soon)

MD5 = a82583bd409365d6b5a973bdd33d5992

SHA1= 408e069af5120015662da3aa57bc9ae9cab32f16

Folder is 504.4MB unzipped on OS X

I've been installing some stuff over adb but that shouldn't have affected anything on /system right? (I'm not exactly experienced on Android :silly:)
[Nook HD, HD+ General] someone0:
does it matter if you do system pull on linux or pc, meaning does it preserve the attribution? Also would system pull from factory rest be any diff from user registered, meaning used?
[Nook HD, HD+ General] gr8wing:
I don't have much in the way of android skills, but I do like to play with this stuff. I just picked up a HD+ and so far so good. I have sideloaded most of my apps and also sideloaded go launcher so when you hit the nook button, you get a choice between nook or go. You can sideload play, but it will not open up. Youtube, netflix, slingplayer, MXplayer all work. Have not had a chance to play with bluetooth yet. A couple of nice things.... You have access to all of the internal memory, it is not chopped up into different places. The SD card is easier to access and you don't have to remove the tab from the cover to access it.

I would be nice if someone would finally get a Nook HD forum running so we don't have info spread out all over the place. Other than that, if I figure other stuff out, I'll throw a post out there.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] someone0:
Aside from the obvious checksum different(from mine), when I did the system pull from my Windows 7 notebook, mine only come out to 480 MB (503,572,713 bytes) or 482 MB (505,929,728 bytes) on disk, obviously it's the cluster size dependency. Mine show 1030 files and 66 folders in total. Sorry I haven't have time to setup a linux box/VM to check this out. The only working linux box I have is my server which I'm not gonna mess w/ this stuff. I'm just not sure why the 24.4MB in size difference? BTW, mine is pull after factory reset and w/o any registration or skip OOBE. Sorry but I have no dropbox or any file sharing account. If there is a place I can up the 230MB zip file then i would upload mine.

Addendum 1:

I should say there are some interesting file-names here.

/system/app/FmService.apk - is that FM radio?

/system/bin/exfatck - support for exfat?

/system/bin/ip6tables - IPv6?

/system/bin/make_ext4fs - ext4 file system?

/system/framework/fmradioif.jar
[Nook HD, HD+ General] dong1225:
Nook HD+ does seem to support ExFAT, and in fact seems to format the SD card to ExFAT format when you chose to "Erase SD card" from the system options. I was somewhat surprised to find that but given that B&N touts support of SDXC cards and that they'd need to support saving 1080p movies larger than 4GB, it was probably necessary.

*Edit: Seems like I was wrong. Specs page only states support up to 32GB/Micro SDHC cards. So it seems like it's there entirely for larger file support.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] verygreen:
Nook HD+, now rooted: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=33878543#post33878543

And bootloader security broken:

[YOUTUBE]rZrSuZxtcV0[/YOUTUBE]
[Nook HD, HD+ General] fattire:
Neato.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] dong1225:
Wow! Bootloader already unlocked! Things are happening at a speed of light here! I'm really happy that I made a day 1 purchase now!
[Nook HD, HD+ General] mateorod:
Hmm. This might be the least excited I have seen you about anything Nook related.

It doesn't look almost unlocked, glancing at the script it seems like they literally did forget to lock the bootloader. Can that possibly be what happened? We can push unsigned objects obviously, so...it's done.

If so, these first-gen tablets are going to be a hot item. I can't imagine that won't get rectified.

I actually feel quite bad for our "unknown friend" who left that debugging code, if that is indeed what happened. This is probably the worst morning of his/her professional life. Shouldn't be trying to lock us out in the first place, but still, bad morning for whomever that was.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] verygreen:
I suspect the "gotta leave a big hole as a competitive advantage" is an option too.

Anyway, no matter 1st gen or not, there is no taking this back unless they plan to do a wide recall and replace all already sold units to replace all the keys.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] mateorod:
I have been wondering about that as well. That report from the Barnes &Noble employee where a coworker supposedly booted into Android with an sdcard. I was dismissing it as a misunderstanding, but this sure backs that up.

That would be interesting, to say the least.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] verygreen:
What is the report you are referring to?

In order to boot an Android from sd card, there needs to be at least somewhat complete port to boot into unless it was meant they booted their own thing from unexpected media or something
[Nook HD, HD+ General] someone0:
So, only custom rom is left unchecked. But I should give a fair warning though. While we may have root now, it's not perfect in the current state. Not until we have custom rom, even if it's based on the nook rom. Why is that? Because the way Nook is designed to automatically update itself once activated (or via skip OOBE). Once it connected to the net, it will look for the next update and the next update could break root.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] verygreen:
All fair points of course.

(what is skip OOBE everybody refers to? I see no way around reactivating every time. I get the wipe which annoys me to no end)

Anyway, the root was kind of a necessary goal in order to do bootloader unlock, the bootloader unlock was the end goal anyway (to enable a proper port). I am glad B&N left in enough features to make root happen easily.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] e.mote:
@verygreen

Did you get your HD+ from a store? B&N site still shows Nov 15 ETA. Thanks for the early work BTW--and of course thanks to B&N for its BL-lock omission, intentional or otherwise.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] krylon360:
just call the store.

Ive got a HD on reserve there and just called today.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] verygreen:
Yes. Stores do seem to have stock since yesterday, so if you have one nearby and it's not out of stock, you can buy one now.

My store was out of 16G nook HDs and HD+ (I got lat 16G HD+), but 8G and 32G were still available.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] smatticus:
there IS a microphone. has been one since the nook tablet came out last year
[Nook HD, HD+ General] mateorod:
Here is the report I mentioned, in this very thread. I dismissed it as impossible (at least impossible w/o someone here knowing) but the ease with which the bootloader unlocked has me wondering. I would think the Barnes&Noble workers, no matter how Android-phobic, would know the difference between the HD and older tablets.

Skipping the OOBE saved my Nook sometime back, I believe that is what resurrected that trick. People seem to be saying it is working for the HD+. It is a real life-saver in the proper situations.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] e.mote:
@krylon360

Hope to see you and perhaps fattire carry your present CM10 work over to the HD+. And verygreen and anyone else, too, of course. Too soon to request for its own forums?

I have high hopes for Nook HDs. If custom-ROM support is doable, both models would be compelling alternatives to the Nexus devices.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] krylon360:
FAKE. most likely someone booted the NookColor by SD.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] madsquabbles:
quite a few best buy's have them too. if they're anything like the BB i went to you may want to do an online PU and wait for the email. i tried picking one up in store and they couldn't find the two they had. online order and it's ready for pick up 10 minutes later.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] verygreen:
Well, this is plausible, but to pull it off you need to be some sort of insider or had some early on access. At the very minimum you will need a signed bootloader (yes, you still must have signed bootloader even to boot off sdcard), then a good enoug kernel and an android build to boot off this.

So unless it was some sort of a B&N developer team member, it's not highly probable I think.

aha, thanks a lot! That saves me tons of time now!
[Nook HD, HD+ General] someone0:
Skip OOBE mode is basically a test mode. Think of it as a kiosk mode where you can get in and use it as tablet but w/o logging into your account. This also mean you can't utilize the BN store. With that said it's not a matter of switching profile but rather you have to factory reset every time you want to switch this mode on or off. Check out the link on my post #95. I also show a way to actually enable ADB w/o logging at all. This mean the device never get on to any wifi and thus no worry about getting automatic upgrade. But it kinda turn the tablet useless as you can't do anything but ADB. But if all you want, for the time being, just wanna hack your nook w/o having to worry about getting automatic upgrade everytime you turn on the nook, then this may be it.

Regard to the availability of the nook HD+, I too originally pre-ordered onlinen waited until Nov 1st until like 8pm local time to find out they haven't ship it. So I call a few local BN store to get a hold of one, cancel the online pre-order and pick it up like an hour later. BN very screw up the preorder system.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] Tigrisan:
I preordered mine and it shipped the morning of the 1st. I have no idea why they shipped it UPS till it got local and then switched to the post office. Our post office here sucks so it took two extra days. Anyway, it's here, I've had it for the past three or four days and right now, the jury is still out. Blazing fast internet, way faster than my Nook Tablet, and the display is awesome, but I'm not happy with being locked into the BN proprietary thing. So, Happy Day to find there's a root in progress. I'm hoping booting from the SD card will come soon on root's heels because that's what I've had on my NT since the SD Boot was released and I've not had a problem at all. Thanks to everyone who is working hard to make this a reality. With root, it might just be the perfect tablet.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] madsquabbles:
i just picked mine up from BB. started up the set up process and got a message of a critical update was needed. immediately turned off my router and did the oobe skip and keeping wifi off for now. i really haven't used it at all after that.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] verygreen:
critical update is to 2.0.2

It is widely believed that 2.0.2 has the same flaws as 2.0.0 (but I did not update yet)
[Nook HD, HD+ General] someone0:
It might have fix the hole as mine is on 2.0.2. It's the price you pay for not having information flow freely. I tried your method like 15 mins this morning. Didn't have much time and it doesn't seem to work. I could have done something wrong but I won't know for sure until I give it another try tonight. I followed the prececure and after the txt file uploaded as sh file, rebooted I believe running su still result in getting $ prompt instead of #

The update was out the same day as the release of the nook, Nov 1.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] madsquabbles:
thanks for the info. i didn't check os versions til after i did the oobe bypass.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] meteorrock:
Can anyone confirm whether that update for the nook HD is just an android update or an update to defeat modders by uploading some sort of a bootloader patch? Would like to know for myself and others. :p

If its an update to defeat modders on the bootloader others should be made aware of that.

btw HI <verygreen> long time no see lol. Or maybe that was the whole idea ? hehee.
[Nook HD, HD+ General] verygreen:
2.0.2 update predates my findings (current update being distributed). I cannot get the zip file so no idea what's inside.

on the other hand the bootloader is permanently broken, there's no taking it back as it's signed with valid keys, unless B&N would like to do a full recall right now while there are relatively few of those devices out and change the keys.

My schedule is actually pretty erratic. Sometimes I have enough free time, sometimes there are stretches full of business for months on end.

In fact I am departing to a conference in a few hours and won't be able to do anything on the nook front (or anything-android) till Friday or so.

Kind of a pity as that takes away half of my 14-days return period on the nook.