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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Xperia sola is, in my opinion, more like a mid range phone, whereas U is a mid low one. (At least from what I can see). And both have different publics. The XU is more for people who wants a good phone, but not big and not so expensive. I didn't saw Sola here in Brazil yet, but U was released with S, on June.

Xperia neo L is meant for the chinese public, mostly.

V has a somewhat smaller screen, with water proof, and a different design. But both are high end. See the T/TX as the Galaxy Note and the V as the S2.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Still, it's three devices, no more. Also, Sony's 'low end' phones are not really that low end, they're somewhere in 'just about midrange' category.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] sxpu_nishant:
Maybe sony is trying to increase its products under "SONY" and not under "SONY ERICSSON "...?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
No. Under the 'Sony' branding they're going to be releasing way less devices than they did before.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] distante:
Agree

Plus since the had do many devices to update the officials firmware releases had many bugs

||Sent from my StupidPhone
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] nrdl:
Sony thinks they are Apple... New model everybody goes like crazy buying new models.

This is Android, no one cares about new phones, just Good ones.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Do you realize that not everyone has money to buy the high end phones, right? There is a need for low and mid end phones.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
They don't think they are Apple. They tried to get their target audience as wide as possible, but failed, just like HTC did before them. Now they're recovering, and IMO they caught up now.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] doministry:
That is true I think.

And there is no Android manufacturer which could be really successful in delivering best updates

to all of their phones.

Sadly.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
There is a way... It's called AOSP. But I don't think most vendors are ready to kill custom skins yet.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Gambler_3:
The evidence points to the contrary. Already in 2012 "sony" has released more phones than "sony ericsson" did in entire 2011.

We heard the same thing about HTC sticking to one X, S and V but then they released loads of other crap as well.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
How long does designing a phone take, in your opinion?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Only V, T/TX and J are under Sony Branding. The rest are leftovers from SE. Only re branded due the recent bought.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Gambler_3:
The difference between sola and U? 0.2" screen size, memory card slot and some floating touch gimmick THATS IT. The "sola" branding is not needed at all.

The size difference between the T and V is 0.25" whereas between S2 and note is 1". Note also has the S-pen thing going for it.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Gambler_3:
I am aware what you are trying to say but many companies throw away projects in development phase because they are not helping with the strategy. Sony had a big opportunity by not diluting it's brand by having only a few phones but it seems to have done the same thing as it did with sony ericsson. Yes sony should make low end phones but ONLY 1 is enough per year. Like 3 or 4 phones per year is more than enough, this also creates brand identity with a particular model but when you divide your fan-base between a dozen devices then it's difficult for any one device to stand out.

I hope you guys are right about sony only focusing on fewer phones now but I wouldnt bet on it.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Build quality build quality build quality build god damn quality. Also, the difference between the T and the V is really just the screen size, and it's intentional IMO. I feel way more comfortable with a 4.3" phone than with a 4.6" one. Also the V is kind of an experiment for Sony, because they're doing sensor-on-lens and it's quite unstable.

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They wouldn't throw away devices that were *already being produced in bulk* during the merger. That would mean a huge financial loss.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Sola has a different design. U has a secondary camera. I wouldn't buy the sola for it's design.

For V and T, I didn't meant size. I meant their "ideas".

V has a 4.3' screen. T has a 4.55'. V has LTE, T not. V is dust and water resistant, and waterproof. T has 16 Gb internal memory. V has 8 Gb. V has Bluetooth 4.0. T as 3.1. T has a 1.3 Mp front camera. V is VGA only. T has a Qualcomm MSM8260A Snapdragon, while V has a Qualcomm MSM8960 Snapdragon.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
The T has LTE, I think. The TX doesn't. Also the chipsets are, in fact, the same, MSM8960 is just a series name. The primary differences are screen size, memory and camera.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] munjeni:
My conclusion after buying Sony after having for a long time HTC devices... Sony design have a very sharp edges... HTC has a better design and more convenient lies in the hands, but it seems to me that Sony has a better chipset! Just to add one more thing. The only thing I dislike about Sony is that Sony's bootloader does not have a "window" and the recovery partition is not dedicated... everything else is ok! I'm starting to like Sony but the only downside is the design "sharp edges", missing dedicated recovery partition, software developing is not "friendly" like in HTC, small sums of developers...etc, everything other "more system stability, more features" is ~~ok
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Oh, sorry. GSMArena with wrong info, again...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] pepporony:
If Sony think they are Apple, they will do the opposite. One device a year and yes, not everyone can or want to buy a flagship phone.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] darth5zaft:
Really. U business argument is be more like apple (that are loosing market share) rather than just be like Samsung (who actually winning more market share)

What kind of argument is that?

Flooding the market with multiple price point is the reason nokia and se win the features phone market, and sammy wins the tv market and they are winning the smartphone race doing the same thing.

If u want to buy an android phone without selling ur soul to the carriers or if u see no value in spending to much for a phone. Your only choices before are samsung. Sony 2011 devices has weak internal and expensive.

HTC and moto are out of the middle/low end market.and they are even worst than sony for upgrade. Remember the razr? When was it were upgraded to ics? And believe it or not. Most people dont even cared for upgrade. If it were, the nexus should be a roaring success!.

I really like the 2012 sony devices. For the same amount of money u could get a better phone from Sony than samsung offerings.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Galaxen:
All in all that makes what.. about 11 phones released/announced in 2012 so far? (and then T and some others aren't included) At least what I can see being released in Sweden. Being Sonys own or SE design... It's still a bit too many, and we're still in september.

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[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
No more devices for this year.

"I got my values. So you can keep yours, OK?"
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Theonlyzii:
True LOL :p
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Rapier07:
People here ask for more and more Roms. Then what's the problem in having a wide variety of choices in buying a phone? Talking about Sola and U, I would never have bought a Sony if they didnt release the U because i still dislike Sola. And i'm just a single individual in just one corner of the globe. There would be 1000 others who would think the same. Its good to have a wide portfolio of handsets. A distinguished Sony for every user.

Tapatalked !!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
A wide portfolio != flooding the market. Basically, there are four distinct categories: Tier 1 flagship devices (iPhone 5, HTC One X, Samsung GSIII, Xperia T) - maximum everything, incl. price; Tier 2 - higher midrange (iPhone 4S, HTC One S, Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Xperia V) - not uber cool, but still delivers enough for most users, noticeably cheaper then Tier 1; Tier 3 - lower range (iPhone analogies and here, HTC One V, Xperia J) - average power, average screens, average everything, but way cheaper. There is also a separate category for 'advanced user' devices like the Nexus series and Developer Editions from other vendors. So, once you have a Tier 1 - 3 device, you don't really need more.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] insomniashades:
Sola branding is not needed at all u said??

Did you ever heard "user experience"?

You know something right now i can play angry bird without touching my screen.

Sent from my "SOLA"
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Still not a reason. Designing a device around one feature == bad.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] justkiddinghere:
I agree with op

Not because sony released many devices but because 80% of them having a same look many guys dont like

These are powerful but lookwise :P
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] codeworkx:
Samsung is probably more worse, so stop crying please. ;)

They've more phones released and already proved that they cannot handle it. Every version upgrade they're releasing makes the device more worse, breaks something. If they update it at all. Sometimes you'll end up getting a value pack, mostly you'll get nothing.

They don't provide any sources or docs for their own platform (exynos) so community devs have a pretty hard life. In short they'll release the i9305 aka s3 lte with outdated ics.

They only care about getting your money as fast as possible. After this they'll trade you like crap.

Thats how the world works nowadays.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Woo. Would be nice to see you in the Sony camp when (if) the Xperia Nexus drops :)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] codeworkx:
You'll see me next week trashing a S3 for a Xperia T. ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Naaah maaaan. V for the win. It has sensor on freaking lens :P

Also, Nexii. Though if the Xperia Nexus exists, it's probably ~= T so I guess we'll be able to share some stuff :)

P.S. There's a serious lack of people who can do stuff (I hate the d-word) here. Welcome to our humble place :)

Edit: Dammit. Now I'm doubting my own decisions. 4.6" + navbar should be OK... Must... resist... have... no... money... need... Nexus...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
your edit made me laugh really, just because im feeling the same :D

on-topic:

since when the NXT Line is some SE leftover? I hardly doubt that.. the Xperia S with it's snappy s3 and adreno 220 blows away the sensation with the same chipset.

the NXT line is a really attractive piece of technology.. NO other company does design their phones that well thought.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
You gonna keep your XS, right?

Enviado de meu Xperia S usando o Tapatalk 2
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
I'm a full time unemployed university student. Make your guess :P

It's not a 'leftover' as in 'leftover crap', it was just left over from what SE was developing before acquisition. Still a great product.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Oh... :(

Another dev that has XS going away...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
I'm not really sure yet. There are two things I can possibly switch to: a new Nexus and PadFone 2. Since we never got the original PadFone, I think my only option is a Nexus. But there's still no solid info on what's that going to be.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
Yeah. PadFone 2 looks nice, from rumours. I wish I had enough money to buy the full set (Phone + Tablet + Dock)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Gambler_3:
Ya right the galaxy S3 is going to get jelly bean soon, when is the xperia T going to get it?

The galaxy S2 is also getting it whereas nobody even knows if the xperia arc will get it.

Sony supports it's lower end devices much better but samsung is second best after nexus when it comes to flagship phones.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
s2 and s3 are getting jellybean. ok that makes 2 devices, now lets see: xperia t,j,v,tx,,s,u,p,sola uuuhm that makes 8.. so your post just proves that your a bad samsung fanboy yet again.

samsung is best after nexus phones? jesus mate.. since when is a ti omap dualcore(found in the galaxy nexus) better than an Exynos 4412, a snapdragon s4(even s3) or tegra 3?

Again, Samsung fanboy.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Gambler_3:
I meant software updates jeez.

And yes samsung concentrates more on their flagship phones but atleast they dont release expensive phones will old versions.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
did you see this by the way?

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php

i dont know why but the xperias blow away any other smartphone in terms of benchmark performance as you can see. you know why? because sony concentrates on optimizing it's software and not on releasing the newest version as fast as possible.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] darth5zaft:
Soon is a harsh words.

They also promised the original note an early 2012 ICS update. So when actually did the note get it? Even S2 are updated around the time arc get updated. Isn't samsung got an early access due to working on the nexus?

Heck, My cousin are still waiting for her ICS on the tab 7.7. It was released months ago and yet no sign of it from kies
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] codeworkx:
The s2 will get jb?

I'm not sure about it.

Didn't see a single line of code yet. Not even a firmware leak. Normally we had leaks weeks/months before. But nothing this time for the s2. Just a mass of leaks for the s3 which isn't ready yet.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Gambler_3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii_to_taste_jelly_bean_in_november_s_iii_in_october-news-4793.php
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Rapier07:
As i said, it depends on an individuals perspective. What you said is just your opinion. There are million others with a different view. Being a global company Sony needs to keep that in mind.

Tapatalked !!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Felimenta97:
You can't separate the world in two. You have to follow something. If I had to guess, this year it's a combo of Sony leftovers and a test, to see which devices will sell the most. They will pick up, let's say, the 5 devices that sold the most and release phones ob the next year with the similar ideas.

I agree with K900. The tier 1 should have all the best specs, including water proof. Tier 2, with part of the features, and so on. Imagine the NXT series, but the XS having aluminium body, White Magic screen, the colored light bar, and so on

"I got my values. So you can keep yours, OK?"
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Rapier07:
Every person is not capable of buying the tier 1 or tier 2 phones. Nothing wrong in providing a part of the top end features in a low end phone. If what you said was right, the sales of Sola and U would have been zero. But both phones are selling equally. That says enough about peoples preferences.

Tapatalked !!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
The T is getting jellybean in October, the Arc is weaker than the S2 so you're comparing different stuff. The XS, which is in the same category as the S2 is indeed getting jellybean.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SEFanX10i:
When do we S owners get JB ? :confused:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
Late October / November, maybe later, not earlier
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] pixy132:
At least there are plans about it, I guess that's a good thing.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] halfmanhalfmachine:
How do you know they have been selling equally? In my opinion releasing the the U and Sola makes no sense. They are both priced about the same and there is not much difference in the specs (apart from the microSD), so why bother spending R&D and marketing on releasing both? The end result is confusion about which mediocre device to purchase and two phones with limited developer resources from Sony.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] louis.b:
Apple and Samsung are doing it right. They use their 2011 flagship as their 2012 mid range phones. By keeping their portfolios clean and simple, they can increase brand awareness for both their last year and current models. HTC and Sony, on the other hand, flood the market with phones that look similar and have similar specs and expect customers to be aware of the differences to choose for themselves. This is a wrong strategy in terms of customer support because these 2 will have to dilute their resources to support for a plethora of devices. At least HTC is doing a better job supporting their current flagship device aka HTC One X, which has received a lot of improvement software wise (their hardware issues are still abundant though). Sony released phones with outdated softwares (GB w the XP S and ICS w the T, J, V), and then take ages to update their phones and the updates are so full of bugs. I still think it's funny that some Sony fan boys say it takes Sony that long because they want to optimize their softwares. I laugh to your face. And just for fun purposes, let's see through SOny's 2012 phones that have similar specs: Xperia S, Xperia Acro S, Xperia Ion, Xperia SL, Xperia T, Xperia J, Xperia V, Xperia TX. But hey, I could be wrong and you could be right. Maybe one of those Xperias will be the best selling phone of all time.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Rapier07:
Looking at the number of people here on XDA. People here come from all around the globe and there are a lot of Sola and U users here.

Tapatalked !!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] xperiax10.awesome:
Right now there are 3 categories: Apple, Samsung n others !!!

Sony is still in others..

from xperia PLAY
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] AwesomeTurtle:
Sick logic, man.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] nemer12:
Hsony is others others..

On gsmarena when they show up the sales for top 5-6 company by sales sony doesn t appear:(...and sony is in the others market share that its not so much..
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] halfmanhalfmachine:
I get your point, but it is still just speculation. I know that the forum was recently split, but the Xperia U Dev forum only has Threads: 20 Posts: 992, can't really say that is a lot of users, especially when you compare it to other phones. You also have the Xperia Tipo, Miro and Go which are similar enough to the Sola and U. Why have 5 newish phones in the same class, why not just combine the unique attributes of each one into one killer low-end phone?
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Rapier07:
Hmmm.. that's a valid point. But then it is Sony the giant and we a bunch of users. They know better .

Tapatalked !!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] K900:
No they don't. They *thought* they knew better.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] ashqmallik:
I dont want SONY to end up like Apple, who doesnt give customer any choices rather BUMS their profit to $600-700 on per piece. So, they can take the profit of 3-4 sets on just one sell. Instead, SONY gives you choices and flexibility. Less profit margin to offer more choices to customers. I'll say that they care about us and iLike it :cool:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SEFanX10i:
Don't go by forum threads and posts, Xperia U is the 4th highest selling smartphone globally. :cool:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] violentgoomba:
Source?

I own a Sola and I'm thankful that Sony considered making a phone that caters specifically to my needs--

Dual core, bang for the buck, good ppi, expandable storage, and I don't really care about front camera. In my opinion, Sony studies the market and creates phones based on different consumer needs. I like the fact that the Sola is labeled as low end around here and yet performs a loooot better than phones in the same price range. Games actually run great on this device. It's an LG O2X equivalent except for the smaller screen size and annoying floating touch.

So don't despair, it's just good business to make sure all consumer bases are covered. Sony is actually being smart about updates. Creating phones with similar architecture will speed up the update process and unify their development efforts.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Rapier07:
That we'll see in the long run :)

Tapatalked !!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] halfmanhalfmachine:
I know, but I was replying to a post saying that the device was very popular on XDA. Not sure that I would believe that the U is the 4th highest, source?

Doesn't really sound like they do study the market, why must a consumer decide between a front-facing camera on the U or the expandable storage on the Sola? Why can't I have both? As a consumer I would consider the Samsung GALAXY Ace 2 which is a similar price and has both features. Not sure if your theory about unification of development efforts hold that well--based on the P, U and Sola ICS rollout delays.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] darth5zaft:
Here its more expensive than u/sola, even last year galaxy w is selling higher than U/sola with significantly weak hardware

u might as well add a little more and get the SXP. (which has better hardware than galaxy s plus but selling at a higher price)

U could also get the SXS for the price of Galaxy S2 or the gnex (both are older phone with weaker hardware, and does not come with $170 worth of gifts)

And factors in sony loves for giving free gifts and update while sammy just give a charger, a cheppo headset and won't even promised u an update.so really u can't claim sammy give the best bang for the bucks.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] violentgoomba:
To have both you have to be prepared to pay more. The feature set grows as you up the price point. The price points correspond to the value of the included feature. It's really up to the consumer to decide, sometimes one needs to evaluate and prioritize based on need vs want.

Oh, and the ICS update/rollout is an entirely different matter, and completely separate from building the software. For all we know the updates are ready and Sony is just keeping them so people would buy their newer toys.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] XperianPro:
I dont understand any update policy that samsung,sony and others have.

Why they dont update all devices to newer version without much waiting.

Dont they realize that they will get much higher selling rate than this.they would been miles away from all other and if they add bootloader unlock like htc,now i need to buy new phone if i want unlocked bootloader.

Someone needs to tell them.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] realfelix:
Really, seeing the T we should have waited for September. The S is just like the Arc or arc s, a nice feature rich phone with outdated soft & hardware. I must admit I feel a bit misled, comparing a Snapdragon S4 vs our S3(which is in HTC's Sensation which is from 2011) is like you compare a BMW to a Ferrari.

But, oh well, that's how technology works nowadays I suppose. But then again Sony gets it's ass out of the blaze by optimizing their firmware to a maximum where we can still enjoy a comparatively fast smartphone.

The NXT series, with those processors should have been landing in 2011 and the new Arc series should have been launched beginning or middle of the year with more powerful hardware(like S4 pro or something like that, see LG Optimus G.). It's a shame that Sony could not catch up that fast and I don't understand their reasons not to use a quadcore in those newer models as almost every normal person compares phones in terms of specifications and will definitely choose a quadcore (e.g. S3) over a dualcore Xperia.

Just my 2 cents. :D
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] megamarini:
Also samsung last year had realease a lot of phone and now? is the leader in Android selling... Let Sony try his marketing. don't remember that his return to make smartphones without ericcson only one year ago??
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] sxpu_nishant:
Sony atleast is focussing on ics update for "ALL" of its smartphone!

Tell me any low end 2011 samsung smartphone that have recieved an official ics update!