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[RAZR i General] freak4dell:
Good to know. I don't have anything specific that I want tested at this time, but I'll let you know.

I'll just keep an eye on how things progress for this and the M over the next couple of months. If the I can provide roughly the same level of usability as far as app compatibility goes, I'll be interested in getting one. Getting an unlocked I will probably be a lot easier than attempting to make the Verizon M work on T-Mobile. Development support is a concern, too...I'm not sure how much work would be required to port ROMs for the Intel hardware vs. the standard Qualcomm stuff. I'm happy that these phones are getting a good amount of interest, though. That's more than I can say of most other phones that have appealed to me in the past. I have different tastes, apparently, but it looks like the world is finally catching up to me. :p
[RAZR i General] konstask:
Can you please try installing Google Chrome? And tell us? I will buy this or one S and want to know.
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
Google said they are updating Chrome by the launch date to be compatible with x86 android devices.
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Chrome doesn't install (says package invalid) but they did say at the launch it will be made to work properly.

I did think it would work though, just not be optimised. So that's the first thing that doesn't work I have tried.
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
Check your PM's when you get the chance ;)
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Thanks for that, didn't get any notification (using Tapatalk with them turned off).

Also, I use Dolphin browser and that works fine.
[RAZR i General] martynas:
Does somebody know if M will be available in Europe. Or it will be just I? May be M will be available just in small countries like Scandinavia?
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Depends on what the operators want. Much of Scandinavia has LTE, so perhaps the M will be sold if it supports the right frequencies?

You will be able to be able to buy it SIM free otherwise.
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Just got this press release;
[RAZR i General] android88:
Nice! I also saw that.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
jonmorris or anybody else with a Razr i:

Could you tell us how well the wifi and GPS on the device work? Maybe using apps like wifi analyser and GPS Status, compare the Razr i to a phone with a known reliable SoC like a Snapdragon S3 or S4.

Given how new and untested the Intel Medfield SoC is, I'd like to hear some info on how well the various components of it work (i.e., wifi, GPS, etc.) -- not just the speed of the processor.

Thanks.
[RAZR i General] android88:
I have a T-Mobile Galaxy S2. It has the Snapdragon S3 8060 CPU which is the newest S3 CPU. I can test it out.

Edit: Here are screenies
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
I have found the GPS fixing is a little slower than a Qualcomm S3 device (but not much). There's no Glonass support that I can see.

The phone does have dual band WiFi and I get excellent reception at home. I will do a comparison later though, although my Xperia S only does 2.4GHz (I should have an Xperia T soon that has both).

I'll try and check some other devices too. Just bear in mind, the RAZR i isn't claiming to be the fastest device on sale. It's about the whole package, which I think it gets just right.

Low light photos are also quite grainy, but have less colour noise than my Xperia S. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

Edit: back home now, and on the way - I tried out the GPS and it got a fix on 3 seconds! This was on a train, which - as you can see - was doing 95mph! So, actually I take back what I said - it seems to work exceptionally well and perhaps I was just unlucky before.

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I'll do a Wi-Fi comparison another time, as I need to boot up a number of phones. However, I'm getting around -60dBm to -50dBm from where I am sitting using Wi-Fi Analyzer, and my iMac which is connected to the same router in the bedroom (about 10 metres away, but through two walls which is a bathroom) has 46% on the 'Network Strength' app - not sure what that translates to, but it's presumably around -70dBM or worse . Both are connected using 5GHz. As you might expect, it's slightly higher with 2.4GHz - but slower on the network.

When I put the phone flat on the desk, it drops to -65dBm but is still good enough.

Meanwhile, here's a screen grab of the Wi-Fi service on the London Underground. Check the UPLOAD speed!

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[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
Glad to see Wifi signal is better! It seems you forgot to check your PM's again so I made you a Mac version ;)

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15093625/MacPuller.zip
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Jonmorris,

Are the gps screenshots of two different phones or are both the razr i? I'm particularly interested in comparison because although those look good by themselves, if a phone with a Qualcomm soc was seeing twice as many satellites, all of a sudden the Intel isn't looking so hot...

-Sent from my TMOUS HTC One S.-

-Stock/rooted 2.21 + 1.06s baseband-

-Hboot 1.06-

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Also I notice in the first pic it says "Orange tmobile"in the left of the notification bar but it doesn't say that in any of the other pics. Is it possible to disable that banner? Or does it just randomly appear?

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For that matter, I'd also love to know how the Intel soc does for hspa signal strength compared to other socs.
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Same phone. Only one I had with me at the time!

The network always shows (in one photo, I had no signal as I'd just come out of a tunnel).

I will do some comparisons with other devices later, but as I said before I don't think it has GLONASS support so will see less satellites almost all the time!
[RAZR i General] adabra:
Hello,

can someone please confirm if the phone is equipped with a notification LED? As I read somewhere Razr M does have it.

Thanks a lot.
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Yes it does.. very top left.
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Right, here are some GPS comparisons - along with Wi-Fi Analyser showing the signal on the same router (2.4GHz to make it fair, given not all of the devices are dual-band - just the Motorola's)

The devices are (as laid out in the third photo):

Motorola RAZR MAXX

Sony Xperia S

Motorola ATRIX (non-4G)

Sony Ericsson Xperia arc

Motorola RAZR i

Apple iPhone 5 (yeah, yeah, just to show off!)

Regrettably, I can't find any GPS app for the iPhone that shows any detailed data. Maybe Apple doesn't allow it?!

Also, I am not sure what went wrong with the Xperia arc.. It seemed to lose loads of satellites while I was messing around, and this handset also supports GLONASS satellites so should have been far closer to the Xperia S.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Amazing work. Thanks dude! Looks like your M has the strongest WiFi of all of them, and the gps seems to be on par with all but the Sony, which probably has glonass.

If you happen to have a chance, I'd love to see a comparison of hspa signal strength (in dBm - not just signal bars) too. Even if just with one or two other phones.

-Sent from my TMOUS HTC One S.-

-Stock/rooted 2.21 + 1.06s baseband-

-Hboot 1.06-
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
That will be quite time consuming as not all the phones have SIM cards. I'll see what I can do later on today or over the weekend, as for a fair test they need to be on the same network.

Motorola hasn't released detailed specs on the phone, but it appears to me that the Razr i doesn't support DC-HSPA+.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Well please don't waste too much time on it. If you could just compare it to one other phone with a known reliable soc, that would be awesome. And assuming the signals are in the same neighborhood, that would be good enough for me to assume the RAZR I has a fine mobile radio.

For that matter, if you just want to give your general impressions of signal strength instead of comparing to another phone, that would be good enough!
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
For now, here's what I have at home.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
and in terms of coverage, speeds, etc., you think it's about the same as other phones you've used?

Also, anybody know if Good for Enterprise works on the Razr i?
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Coverage has always been terrible for me at home. Since Orange, T-Mobile and Three effectively merged, I expected an improvement - as I'm maybe 0.5Km away from EE's head office - which has a cell site on its roof. Sadly, it's generally pretty poor now as I believe they've decommissioned another site that was nearby - resulting in me getting almost no signal in half of the house.

What's more, my Three account which used to enjoy speeds of 8Mbps now regularly falls to stupidly low speeds like 0.01Mbps - at the same time my Orange SIM does. Clearly something has gone wrong with the network merging. But that's not this phone, as I had the same SIM in my Xperia S before.

But out and about I've got no complaints about the signal, or the time to reconnect after going in and out of tunnels and data can be fast. Earlier speed tests include;

The good/okay:

110ms, 3.43Mbps/1.35Mbps [Down/Up]

100ms, 5.90Mbps/1.74Mbps

The bad:

104ms, 0.14Mbps/1.39Mbps

128ms, 0.03Mbps/0.66Mbps

I am no expert on chipsets, but have always been a fan of Qualcomm devices, but I do think Intel has done a very good job here. No real complaints at all, and most importantly - the battery life seems far more reassuring for daily use. Not yet had any situations like my Xperia S failing to go into deep sleep and dying overnight. That's not the chipset clearly - rather the firmware, but the end user doesn't care about detail - they want a phone that works.

Fingers crossed Motorola doesn't do any updates that mess it all up. :)
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
One last request. Could you download good for enterprise from the play store and see if it loads? This is one app I'm concerned might be incompatible with Intel processor.

-Sent from my TMOUS HTC One S.-

-Stock/rooted 2.21 + 1.06s baseband-

-Hboot 1.06-
[RAZR i General] Simplestas:
Email? Its hardly a native app, it will work. I'm more interested if PowerAMP works well, it's all ARM optimized.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
My concern is that good is really tight and picky on securityand control so good might not allow it to work on Intel

-Sent from my TMOUS HTC One S.-

-Stock/rooted 2.21 + 1.06s baseband-

-Hboot 1.06-
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Here's some more good and bad data speeds...
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
Ah so it DOES have HSPA+. Good for uploading system pulls ;)
[RAZR i General] Simplestas:
You're excellent reviewer! Can you test video playback? SD/HD DivX/H.264 in mkv/mp4/avi containers? Also could you upload system dump? :o
[RAZR i General] cryingfreeman22:
Have it hardware camera button? Bluetooth is really only 2.1? What battery life?

Odoslané z GT-P7300 cez Tapatalk 2
[RAZR i General] dew.man:
Do we know yet if the bootloader on the i is unlockable with the moto unlock site (https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a)?
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Motorola said at the launch event that the bootloader can be unlocked 'where allowed', meaning networks may lock the bootloader on their versions. This is SIM-free so should be fine.

Yes, it has a hardware camera button (with instant start up even when locked/standby- which works every time [hint hint Sony!]). Not sure what version of Bluetooth - and I can't easily try loads of video clips.

I'm at my parents today so no access to a computer and have been way too busy doing other things to get the system dump of the phone. I'm in the process of writing reviews of other devices, as well as coping with a cold and a 7 month old baby that also has a cold!

Also, I knew the phone had HSPA+ (it shows that at the top, as either 3G, 3G+, H, H+). The phone help also shows DC and 4G icons, but is obviously the help text for the RAZR M because it can't show 4G seeing as it isn't LTE. What I don't know is if it supports DC-HSPA+ or not, as I don't know if Orange/T-Mobile uses it (but I can say that it hasn't shown at any time on the phone).

I'll try and put my Three SIM in one day, as their network should have it pretty much nationwide now. However, my thought is that it does NOT support this, which is a shame - but then again, hardly any phones do support this.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Thanks for all the info. Do you know if the Light Flow app works on the phone? That's another one that I could imagine possibly being incompatible with the Intel chip.
[RAZR i General] android88:
Should I change the name of the thread to"Motorola RAZR i Discussion Thread"?
[RAZR i General] dew.man:
Had the Razr M on VZW for a couple weeks but had to switch back to AT&T and was sad to give the phone back as it was the best phone (for my purposes) that I've had in years.

Oh happy days as I've now got a new Razr I coming from clove next week!

A little nervous about data speeds without LTE as well as potential incompatibilities of the new (to Android) Intel chipset, but am very excited to get back to this most excellent phone. And now, unlike the M variant I had prior, with an unlockable bootloader that will allow me, to at the very least, obtain ROOT :fingers-crossed:
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
I'm in the same situation. Started a Verizon account for an M last week, but considering whether I should just stick with att and get an i. Any idea when your i is supposed to arrive from clove? Would love to hear comparison... especially concerning battery life.
[RAZR i General] dew.man:
clove is promising 3 day shipping on monday so i should be able to provide feedback next weekend.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Did you do the dhl shipping to the united states? Was total cost about $485? That's what I'm seeing on their website but I'm curious if there are any taxes or international fees that aren't showing up, since Negri and expansys are charging closer to $550.
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
Negrielectronics.com and Expansys-usa.com are both selling to the US and have 1-day shipping options. Negri claims it should be shipping Monday, and Expansys-UK has also said they have stock and shipping Monday.
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Just downloaded it and it installs and runs but doesn't do anything with the notification LED (even though the app says Motorola devices usually work well).
[RAZR i General] freak4dell:
You know, that's a very good point, and something I had forgotten. Even if there's never any custom ROMs for the RAZR i, at least there will be root, and I could live with that.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Did you just do the "all enabled leds test" from the tools menu or did you actually test with real notifications? The all enabled leds test usually doesn't work even on devices that light flow works with. Did you enable light flow in settings > accessibility? Did you try rebooting... sometimes it doesn't work till you reboot.

-Sent from my Razr M.-

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I noticed that too, but they are both charging near $550, which seems to be over 10% more than clove and handtec are charging, even including shipping.
[RAZR i General] Richy101:
Does the Razr m/i have a full size or micro sim? Doesn't seem to say in the specs. Being in the UK I was looking at the i and thinking of trying one. Had 2 HTC One phones and both have had rubbish mobile signal reception.
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
MicroSIM
[RAZR i General] Richy101:
Thanks.

Sorry, forgot about the Thanks button :banghead:
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
I enabled in settings but only tried the tests. As they didn't do anything I assumed it didn't work!

Will try again later (I deleted it soon after!)
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Great. I really hope it works! And yeah those tests throw a lot of people off. They assume the app isn't working but it's really only the test that doesn't work.

-Sent from my Razr M.-
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
Yes it does work. Haven't tried every colour/alert though. Orange for charging seemed more light green than orange, but it did trigger different colours.

App seems a little too over complicated for me though!
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Awesome news. App takes a bit to get it configured the way I like, but the thing I love about it is I know whether I have an email, a text, a voicemail, a gtalk, etc., just by looking at the led. I also love that I can set the led to stop blinking as soon as I turn the screen on... I don't actually have to open the notification to get it to stop, unlike stock Motorola settings.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Ok so I ordered a Razr i from clove. Will use it on my AT&T account for a few days and compare it to the M on Verizon.

Anybody root the i yet? I'd love to get rid of the carrier banner in the notification bar.

-Sent from my Razr M.-
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
Still need a system pull to work with... and it probably won't happen without the bootloader unlock.
[RAZR i General] dew.man:
Here is root for the Razr M (must be unlocked).

Don't know if this'll work on the i, but will find out later on this week ;)
[RAZR i General] freak4dell:
What was the official release date? Didn't Motorola say it would launch with an unlockable bootloader? That would lead me to believe that they should be adding that to the unlock tool pretty soon, but then again, I suppose there's nothing to stop them from waiting 5 years.
[RAZR i General] dew.man:
The developer edition of the m shipped a couple weeks ago, and the i started shipping today.

Both are unlockable via the Moto online tool...
[RAZR i General] freak4dell:
I don't see it listed here yet: https://motorola-global-portal.cust...sion/L3RpbWUvMTM0OTEyOTUwNC9zaWQva1c1OW1GN2w=
[RAZR i General] dew.man:
Not 100% positive, but it's the same tool/keygen for all Moto devices.

If you go directly to https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a/ you can paste in your device code (obtained by issuing a fastboot command), and it generates the unlock code/key.

Personally, I believe that even the regular M is unlockable if you had the code as the site validates your device id before generating the key, but I think it's all the same once you get past the "gatekeeper".
[RAZR i General] freak4dell:
Interesting. I'm guessing they will add it to the list soon, either way, and since people are slowly starting to get the I in their hands, we'll probably find out whether it works or not in the next couple of weeks.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Yeah I fully expect the SIM free, unbranded Razr i to be unlockable.

By the way, check out this Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nklBu8tjz3s

Supposedly it's a Razr i. But notice the notification bar. It has a 1% battery mod, and although it appears to be connected to a cellular carrier, there is no carrier banner in the left of the notification bar.

Pretty sure you have to be rooted to get the 1% battery mod.

Edit: Also I just noticed that the wifi icon and data transfer arrows are different than stock. So it's either not a Razr i, or it's rooted and modded. I'm guessing probably the former.

-Sent from my Razr M.-
[RAZR i General] freak4dell:
It better be...Motorola promised that at the announcement.
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
My RAZR i has 1% battery increments without being rooted. Hadn't noticed that before now!!
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
Yes all Moto phones that shipped with the Circle Widget have 1% increments.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Not in the notification bar. Mine doesn't at least. See attached screenshot of my Razr M.

If there is a way to get in the notification bar, let me know.

-Sent from my Razr M.-
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
SystemUI.apk edit, services,jar should already support it was what I meant. Nothing could be done on the DROID RAZR without modifying services.jar to report in 1% increments, while the RAZR M for example already reports them. Sorry for misunderstanding
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
I don't understand. I'm using a Razr m but I don't get 1% increments in the notification bar. Is it possible to get it without root or not?

I think you are saying the Razr m supports it natively but it is just not enabled, but that I would need root to enable.

-Sent from my Razr M.-
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
Yes that's what I am saying. But it should be very easy with root
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Any idea if it's also easy to remove the carrier banner in the notification bar with root?

I got a shipping notification for my Razr i from Clove today. Looks like it's flying straight to my city from the UK so I guess it will get here tomorrow or Thursday. I'll post my thoughts, especially comparing it to Razr M, as soon as I can.

-Sent from my Razr M.-
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
Mine will be here tomorrow by 3pm Cali time. It should be as easy as editing the decompile SystemUI.apk and re-compiling it.
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Are you a dev or do you just know a lot about this stuff?

-Sent from my Razr M.-
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
I consider myself a Dev I guess ;) . I worked on the DROID RAZR and created a few custom roms / restore&root utilities over there. You can find my Dev Team dedicated to the RAZR i over at our site http://www.batakang.com

(We use DroidRzr.com since I am an admin there and we have a RAZR i section on it)
[RAZR i General] freak4dell:
Well, for anybody that was on the fence because of the Intel processor, the M was announced for Australia today, and should be released in November. The bootloader will be unlockable on that, too. It looks like only the Verizon devices will end up having locked bootloaders with no way to unlock them.

The only thing I can't figure out about the Australian one is what it's full spectrum set is. It looks like Telestra doesn't really use any of the common US bands, so if the radio Motorola put in there only supports Telesta bands, it may be of limited use outside of Australia. If I find out that the Australian M will support the 3G bands required for the US, then it's going to be a very hard decision between importing that or importing the RAZR i.
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
There should also be a Retail RAZR M I believe that would support bootloader unlock. I haven't confirmed it but there usually is..
[RAZR i General] freak4dell:
Oh really? I'll have to keep an eye out for that. I didn't think Motorola released retail versions of the Verizon devices in the US that are not tied to Verizon, but I haven't been following Motorola very closely, so I could have just missed it.
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
These are not the DROID RAZR Ms, but RAZR M's. XT905 versus XT907.
[RAZR i General] freak4dell:
Yeah, I figured. Any idea who might sell them if they do end up being available?
[RAZR i General] mattlgroff:
No ETAs or anything on those sorry. Intel really is gonna be fun to work with ;)
[RAZR i General] phositadc:
Cool. Good stuff.

Just out of curiosity, why are you do excited about an Intel processor? Just for something new and different or is there more to it than that?

-Sent from my Razr M.-

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When my "i" arrives tomorrow I'll try to post a good comparison to the M. Do you know if the non-Verizon M will still have a cdma radio? I would imagine it would be exactly the same as the Verizon one.

My issue with the M is two fold. First, I have delayed Google notifications while on WiFi. Takes 3+ minutes for gmail to arrive, and gtalk messages take up to 20 to arrive. Second, I'm not thrilled about the 4g signal attenuation issues.

If the "i" doesn't have the delayed notifications on WiFi and I otherwise like it as much as I like the M, then I'll definitely keep it and return the M.

-Sent from my Razr M.-
[RAZR i General] jonmorris:
My RAZR i gives a notification at the exact same time my Apple Mail receives a new email and I get a notification. Sometimes even before.

Never seen a delay and I'm always on WiFi at home.