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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] hitmantb:
The true cost of the note is much higher than 299. You need to add the premium you are paying each month, just compare T-Mobile bring your phone plan vs regular plan.

If 10 year old console port and freemium card games are AAA, then by all means go with the latest and greatest.

Other than Samsung and Apple, no one else is making money, most are losing big, and these two will have a very hard time pushing s4 and iPhone 6 when there is nothing that even needs more than s2 and 4s. People are buying smartphone because feature phones are no longer being offered, most of them don't play high end games.

When I get an app, heck even a game my note 1 can not run, I will upgrade. Problem is, who is going to invest in AAA content when the most popular games are freemium or 99 cents? US is the only country that encourages 2 year upgrades, most other countries, people are nor going to ditch 2011 models because there is no incentive. You see this already affecting HTC and it will soon hit Apple and Samsung. The smartphone hardware is ridiculously overpriced if you look at their margin. As low end get better, high end will get hurt.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 9wire:
There's always a certain percentage of people that have to have the latest and greatest, and get new just to have new.

I'm one of those, and maybe 3 or 4 others on this forum.:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Mad383Max:
My wife just told me today that when i get a new phone she was taking this one. Hmmmmm. ( by the way she just got a Skyrocket a little over a month ago and my 18 year old is ready to go to war over this phone)

from a galaxy far far away....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] johnrippa:
NJ

I'm sorry but there is so much wrong with this post. I seriously believe you lack a fundamental knowledge of these companies business strategies with both the software and hardware companies you refer too.

1. I don't factor in my data and text messaging costs into my budget before hand. They have become a daily necessity of the our time so its not some extra cost I wouldn't have other wise and therefor there's no point in including that into the cost of the phone. A two year contract isn't even the slightest worry for me. I have a grandfathered data plan and att had been good to my family. So my true cost is on fact the $299 upgrade fee.

2. A few companies always make the lions share of the market while competitors struggle. Its this crazy idea where businesses compete for market share in a free market.

3. Everyone will buy the GS4 and iPhone 6 in even greater numbers than they did this generation. No one will EVER say something is fast enough or powerful enough EVER. They will lie to themselves just to justify buying the next cool phone that everyone is getting because, lets face it, they have become status symbols. Your phone now says something about you to people. Its crazy but never forget that people will always have to keep up with the Johnsons.

5. Their margins are average and I don't hate on a business because they know how to turn a profit. Business 101, you don't sell your successful product based off what it costs you to manufacture it. You sell it based on what people will pay. Then factor in the massive R&D costs that need to be defrayed

this is nothing personal but you are just wrong
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 9wire:
Does anybody really NEED a high end sports car? They're impractical, expensive, high maintenance, and inefficient. But they sell lots of them, and at a tidy profit.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] graveghoul:
As it gets closer, that impulsion for a newer device gets stronger and stronger. Good thing is though that you can sell your Note 1 for a reasonably moderate price seeing as how its not even a year old already. Im seeing prices on craigslist from 350-450.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Rob4828:
As long as there are upgrades, people will get high end phone even if they don't really need it. I know I would.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] baudilus:
I think if I can cover the cost of the upgrade by selling my current note (maybe by also selling my old iPhone 3G), that might be enough to make the decision for me.

Assuming I get my hands on it and actually like it enough to go through the trouble.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jghidalgo307:
I'be never been this impatient in my life. A little ashamed. Oh well :rolleyes:

Sent from BigDaddyNote
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] COA4178:
This phone is one crazy expensive machine to buy now crap!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jackxlj:
HD display quad core, meh cheaper then most netbooks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] BoOsT:
Have they said the price to buy outright?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] :
Zero chance. Back to the Nexus or Lumia 920. The only thing I need to do is to either sell it as is with CM10 or restore back to stock. By November 1st I plan to be off the Note and have it sold or traded.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sholsten:
I thought I could get by for another year or so. I always want the newest & greatest. But it still has to be tax refund season.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] erick161:
Only if you factor contract pricing. You can snag a helluva laptop for the same price as an off contract Note 2. I'd imagine it will go for 650ish for the 16gb and up for the 32/64
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Suzook1:
I'm gonna bet not one carrier is going to carry the 32 or 64 sadly
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RowdyFrowdy:
No yet

I am happy with everything for now, Just got into Overclocking froma stock rom and can't see spending the extra money yet:o
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jackxlj:
Cheap laptop for 600 IMHO.more joy from a full priced note then a 600 dollar laptop
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jghidalgo307:
Just sold my note for 400. Now the waiting game begins. Hopefully I don't have to dish out more than 300 :/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] helix massacre:
All I know is I want it and I'm getting it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jghidalgo307:
As a T-Mobile user I'm a little concerned about the rumors of not supporting LTE. I'm not interested in the speeds but more concerned about how will LTE rollout will affect the hspa+. Will it make it slower or less reliable? Or would it have no effect? Any clarifications will sure put me at ease
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] COA4178:
I hate u Samsung aghhh mad expensive
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] erick161:
It in line with normal pricing. I paid $475 used for mine some time ago
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jghidalgo307:
Sprint just announced their price 299$ Oct 25 on a 2yr contract. Expecting the same price on all carriers
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] baudilus:
I don't know anything about T-Mo but with AT&T the LTE rollout didn't really affect HSPA+ speeds at all - LTE requires a lot more backhaul, so if anything changes, I'd expect the HSPA+ speeds to get faster as well.

Whether or not this device on T-Mo will support LTE, you'd have to ask T-Mo.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] blazeoc:
I plan on it, sold my iPhone 5 in preparation for it. Just not sure if I am going to stick with Verizon, or move to ATT.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] helix massacre:
It depends on yoATTur preference but I find Verizon to be a bit more expensive but that's just me ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] BoOsT:
It crack me up everyone talking about price being high. If u keep the phone for a year and pay $600. That's only $1.65 a day. I blow more than that a day on useless junk Lmao!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jpoirier587:
This
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] scottx .:
Hell I just got this note. I'm happy for a while now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] O_G:
Thread Cleaned​

Please people, we need to calm down, no need to get so excited! Lets keep this to the topic at hand please.​
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Suzook1:
Thank you. Really ridiculous conversations
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Coffinfeeder:
I bought the Note 1 the day it came out at the ATT store for $670 or so after tax. I highly doubt the Note 2 will be any cheaper off contract.

With that being said, I must have the Note 2!

(sadly I doubt I'll get it day one likebthe original.. more like December or January).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LuckyStrike88:
I also got the Note the day it came out and coming from a Motorola i1 is quite a step. To be honest I was frustrated with touchwiz, my phone was super laggy and froze quite often, but when they released CM9 for it, it completely breathed new life into the phone, it was super smooth and what this phone should be from the factory. CM10 is even better, so no I don't plan on paying several hundred dollars for 2 more cores and 1gb of ram.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] helix massacre:
Mine cost 400 with an upgrade lol but only cuz I bought a case and screen
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] theinvisiblehand:
Well I will upgrade for sure. Just sold my Note for 375$. Only two weeks to wait on my old optimus one haha.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Juice71st:
j have a chance to buy a brand new note 1 for $200 is it v worth it I currently have sgs2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
Yes without contract? I will jump on that.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] geovas77:
As a Note II user l can promise that you will not be disappointed by this phone , it's worth every penny! :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Juice71st:
yes it's off contract I guess I will get it before it's too late thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
That phone is worth 400 dollars if sold on eBay or Craigslist.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] melcali:
thats madddd cheap... get it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jacky37:
tempting

I have AT&T note running on T-Mobile. but would very much love to get the T-Mobile galaxy note with the HSPA 42+ speed. I'm running it on liquid Rom with ICS blaze radio. love it dunno if I wanna wait till the price drop and get it on eBay or craigslist.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Tx Redneck:
Note2 benchies and S2 vs Note2 size comparo.

Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] erick161:
So some T-Mobile stores already have the note2 in stock awaiting instruction...where the hell are the ones destined for ATT?!? The wait is killing me!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Suzook1:
Will these be in stores on the 26th or for order.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] twisted metal:
I want to upgrade thinking about selling my note 1 for the note 2. Is it worth the upgrade from the note 1? to some no but I like to be on top of technology so im going to get
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Mad383Max:
? Source?

from a galaxy far far away....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] erick161:
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/22/t-m...ote-2-shipments-for-oct-24th-launch-confirmed
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ekerbuddyeker:
Where the f@@@ is at&t in all this? Radio silence. Most irritating...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] erick161:
Yeah its annoying. Should hear something in a few days.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] hiii_imkris:
Will be available for preorder on the 25th with AT&T, launches the 9th of november.

Source:

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?p...ticleid=35523&mapcode=consumer|mobile-devices
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] graveghoul:
ATT is on Nov 9th. It's on engadget's home page. But preorders are Thursday.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] hitmantb:
I will upgrade as soon as a refurbished model is available with a $150 discount, it IMO is the sweet spot to buy any Android device from ATT.

Wife got a GS3 for $49 refurbished, just as good as new (if not better, since it is hand tested/repaired), and she only had to wait 4 months? 18 months later she can sell for 200+ easily.

If you don't need latest and greatest on day one, I honestly believe this is the best bang for the buck. It only takes four months for an Android device to get its price cut in half!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Suzook1:
Wonder why there is a wait from launch to availability
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 9wire:
I went through all of thus waiting for the gnex release. I actually had a gnex in my hands a week before release, they had one in the store, hidden in the back. Friend of mine worked there. I could be wrong, but it seems like development is just recently really rolling on note 1, job is at about 99%, if I get a note I'll have to start over. Also thought I team the exynos is hard to develop? Prolly get one just to have it though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] andrawer:
NOpe.

I'm going back to 2 devices believe it or not.

Downsize to a Galaxy S3 and the new ipad mini.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jghidalgo307:
Its only hard to develope for aosp roms. No way in hell would I want to lose spen functions this time around. Anyone that wouldn't get this device only because of that shouldn't even LOOK at a note2. As for carrying 2 devices? Why? Just why? Lolll
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
+1

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)

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Check this torture test of the Note 2. Not bad!

http://cnettv.cnet.com/torture-testing-galaxy-note-2/9742-1_53-50133651.html
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jacky37:
Sure is tempting to upgrade to the note 2. But now that my note 1 just got updated to the latest Liquid smooth 1020 ROm it's been running so smooth with no reboot that it's kinda hard for me to throw the money on the note 2. Maybe next yr?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sholsten:
I wonder when the Note 3 might be released.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] melcali:
I heard sometime after the Note 2 is officially released in the states... but who knows... could pop up before it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Err0xx:
+2

Sticking with touchwiz on the Note 2 . It's actually quite sexy. Spen does too much to lose it to AOSP/CM. Won't be ROMing my Note 2- same as my Note 10.1; stock and loving it.

Sent from my Galaxy Note SGH-I717 running STOCK ROOTED.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
I haven't been on Touchwiz for a while. Besides writing/drawing, what else do you do with the S-Pen?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] johnrippa:
Any modding or file moving I instinctively pull out the s-pen. I use it often enough that I'm surprised I haven't lost one yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
What do you mean by modding and file moving? Is there something the S-Pen does there in Touchwiz?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] arrom1983:
I just called att they told me I have an upgrade available just got my note 5 months ago should I get note two
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
How do u have an update available when u got note 5 months ago?

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] arrom1983:
That's what said and look at my account online and yea I can upgrade

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Customer service told me and online
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
Is this the same line u upgraded 5 months ago?

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] arrom1983:
Yes
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
Wow lucky u.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] arrom1983:
My note is mint have otterbox case for it might just sell it get note2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Mad383Max:
There is something weird going on. I have 1 line eligible for upgrade but when i called to check the rep told me i had 2 lines available with one being the line i upgrad3d 2 months ago foe a Skyrocket for my wife:confused:

from a galaxy far far away....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] BoOsT:
http://teamuscellular.com/Forum/topic/2694-samsung-galaxy-note-2-cyanogenmod-support-unsure/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kichikun:
Well, I just got my Note and I've been happy with dual-core performance. I don't play games on it, and performance is very snappy as it is, so until I see a need for a quad-core phone I'll keep what I have.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] baudilus:
If the AT&T variant has the logo on the home button like Verizon does, I'll wait until there is a color matched sticker to cover it.

Bad move, Verizon.

I like the idea of waiting for refurbished ones though. I have one line already upgrade eligible, and another in March or April. This way I can preserve my wife's ability to upgrade from her awful iPhone 4. :)

I'm still waiting to see what Jelly Bean brings to this Note though - if the camera has best faces and hdr mode, I can live with that for a while.

For those unaware, hdr mode is why the iPhone 5 seems to have better low light performance than other phones - it has hdr (high dynamic range) mode turned on by default.

November 9 is later than I was expecting, but not too far off. I only now realized that the stock ics camera is better than the "camera ics" app I've been using since gingerbread.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Suzook1:
according to att the pre order is only for grey !! WTF. att does it to us again
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] robyr:
Threadjacking here, but I have always wondered why people think the iDevice camera shots are better. I think they look absolutely oversaturated, just like bad HDR-filters in photoshop/instagram look.

I know the general populace thinks they care about quality, but every time someone tells me the iDevices have better cameras and all this nonsense, it just cements my opinion that the general populace has no idea what they are talking about.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Dr. Evo:
According to the photos I saw on the link Samsung USA provided on their Facebook page, yesterday, the only carrier adding their branding to the home button is Verizon. AT&T has nothing on the front of the phone, other than the standard Samsung branding. On the back of the phone, AT&T has added a very small white AT&T globe logo on the titanium grey model. I think the ceramic white has a black globe. That's it.

It was already announced that titanium grey would be the only model available, initially. The ceramic white is coming a few weeks later.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] baudilus:
I figure Verizon did this because they know that the vast majority of users put cases on the phone that cover the back, and they figure the button is not likely to be covered.

Dagnabbit, people are gonna KNOW you have the Verizon model.

Terrible - I wonder how many people want the phone but would switch to avoid that logo. Putting a sticker on it is not ideal.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] erick161:
To the masses...they won't care about the branding. To me, carrier branding doesn't matter. But the home button placement does look über tacky.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] slaydog:
About time!

Never mind...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
http://m.samsung.com/us/article/the...884026&MKM_MID=1261833&CID=eml-mb-cp-1012-226
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Scythe024:
Pre ordered yesterday after going to T-Mobile and playing with one
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
on the link I posted above, it said, buy now for T mobile.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Scythe024:
Sorry I went into T-Mobile just to play with it and look at the titanium grey to see if I wanted to wait for the white one or not. I pre-ordered it from AT&T
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Devin.Morris.007:
I just got my note not too long ago, picked one up from someone who didn't like it because of the size. I don't have an upgrade until December of 2013. Which, by then the Note 3 or 4 will be out LOL. In the meantime, I'm sure the devs will get ahold of the rom and start porting over all the features they can from the Note 2 that they can to the Note 1...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] PaulF8080:
I hear some developers are threatening to steer away from Exynos based phones because of lack of documentation from Samsung. Does that affect the note 2?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] txtigah:
Absolutely. Played with one at TMob yesterday. It flies like my note 10.1, although I have tweaked my present Note to work nicely, the quad core, speedier camera with more options, no noticeable lag, the multi tasking and overall better usefulness of the SPen...Made me go to ATT website to preorder this morning. Will sell my Note on EBay..as hard as it will be to part with. Been a great phablet! Very excited to see what developers will be able to do with the Note 2, although it doesn't seem like it will need much tweaking. The thing flies!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ChronoReverse:
I want to upgrade now.

My primary issues with the Note 1 (lag and battery life) have both been fixed in the Note 2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Mad383Max:
Ordered mine this afternoon. Now the waiting game.....

from a galaxy far far away....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Suzook1:
I just wish the white was available now on Att. But I guess it will be on Nov 9?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
what lag are you talking about? Plus I get 17 hrs with 3 hrs screen time.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Scythe024:
go to t-mobile and check out the titanium grey in person, it might surprise you. I was thinking of waiting for the white as well, but once I saw the TG in person i decided to just order it. The white is nice at first, but it ends up looking dull the more you have it. everyone seems to have black and white phones, so its kind of nice for a change.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Dr. Evo:
Think about that really hard. Why would it be available on the 9th?? The 9th is the first day ANYONE on AT&T will be able to have an AT&T branded Note 2 in their hands. Why would they not have them available for pre-order, now, but somehow it will be available on the 9th?? Google is your friend. I've read many stories that has specifically mentioned AT&T has stated that only titanium grey will be available on launch. The ceramic white will not be available until la few weeks later, but no specific date has been mentioned.

I'm kind of surprised at how people seem to really want the white one. To me, the white Note 2 looks kind of dull and goofy. The titanium grey looks so much better, sophisticated, and more quality-like. This is coming from someone who owns the original Note in ceramic white, which makes me feel the opposite. I love the white much better than the black on the original Note. I feel the opposite for the Note 2.

At any rate, I'm upgrading. I will be able to get the Note 2 for free based on a credit I have. It will be enough to cover the complete cost of the phone. Even without the credit, I was either going to pay for the phone full price or sell my Note 1 and pay the difference. The Note 2 is the first phone that has ever made me consider doing this. I can't wait until the 9th!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Afishl1:
What's the going rate for note 1's right now? Is this the best time to sell and get a note 2 or will the difference be less later?

Essentially what I'm asking is which value will fall faster, I assume the note 1 has already dropped the majority of what it's going to drop, at least for a while now, no?

Sent from the Jelly Way Galaxy
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] wish777:
Dr evo is correct...I just ordered my note 2 and they only had the titanium grey/black version..(which I perfer).They didn't have the white version in stock...but I hate white anyways as it shows to many scratches,but that's my opinion. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Scythe024:
ive seen them on craigslist for 350-400, so if u sell it, your pretty much just paying the upgrade price
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] esincho:
Just pre-ordered mine from the at&t site. I went the the store to do it and they couldn't find the product number for the phone. Smh, wasted trip
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DeRock13:
I'm there with you. I love the original Note in white, not the Note 2. I'm going to see if Best Buy will price match AT&T's off-contract price though so I can use this Buyback on my current Note and pay the same as subsidized without extending my second line. If they won't, I'll order international and use my buyback credit toward a new computer.

I honestly don't get great LTE service where I'm at anyway, so I could live without it.

Sent from the White Monolith