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[Windows Phone 8 General] DJRedLine:
I voted Lumia 920

If Lumia comes out on my carrier (sales person in Vodafone UK store basically said it wont be coming to them, but Phones4U UK should get it)

If not then HTC 8x
[Windows Phone 8 General] XATAGuy:
OP, you may want to add "not sure yet" to the voting choices.

I don’t know…….. The Ativ has the largest display and appears to have the best specs. The “big 3” all seem to have the same CPU.

I’m partial to HTC devices and I’ve been very happy with my HTC Titan. I may have been spoiled, but I now believe that a 4.7 inch display is probably a minimum perfect size. When we first heard rumors of the new HTC WP8 devices there were to have been three of them, with the “Flagship Device” having a 4.7 inch display. I’m not interested in going smaller, and I assume other Titan users have similar thoughts.

Also, what happened to the hype over WP8 devices having Nokia Maps? Do these new devices even have the new app? There seems to be no mention of it now.

I’m afraid I’m in wait-and-see mode, leaning slightly towards the ATIV for display size.

Where are you HTC? Where’s my big-screen Titan replacement?
[Windows Phone 8 General] thundr51:
For anybody that still isn't decided, WPCentral put together a comparison chart on the different 'Hero' phones. Honestly, after looking at it I may find myself with the Ativ.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
6 months ago .....if the boot loader was unlocked, and the drivers open sourced, the 920 that is awesome hardware, from the screen, to CPU, to graphics, to camera.
[Windows Phone 8 General] tboy2000:
i dont think i can add to the poll when it is live.
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
Nokia or HTC for me. Who ever offers a combo deal of Surface and Phone first will get my money.

⚡sent from my Nexus S ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] ctiger:
None, because none will be available to Sprint. Even more, on Sprint, I'll have to pay the same monthly rate for any WP8 to iPhone 5, so...

unless the HTC one has no LTE
[Windows Phone 8 General] XATAGuy:
I not convinced we’ve seen HTC’s “flagship”.

Probably the most significant single attribute that any manufacturer has used to one-up the iPhone has been display size.

All of the HTC rumors prior to this week’s announcement revolved around the introduction of three new WP8 devices, one of which was to have had a 4.7 inch display.

There are way too many Titan and One X users that are not likely to be cool with a smaller display – not even .2 inches smaller. Thanks to Titan and One X, 4.7 inches is the new minimum.

I really hope to see something bigger and better from HTC soon.

Q: Do the HTC and Samsung devices come with Nokia Maps?

Q: Is the big battery in the ATIV removable?
[Windows Phone 8 General] thebobp:
While I like your reasoning, I can't help but notice that they called it the 8X. The X has been their "top of the line" brand, and while I suppose it's not impossible for them to introduce something like the 8X+, it sounds like they aren't really planning for it.
[Windows Phone 8 General] askpcguy:
Samsung announced a new LPDDR3 which should be in phones next year. More storage less power consumption and faster!
[Windows Phone 8 General] XATAGuy:
Good point. I hadn't put the "X" thing together.

I'm really expecting more from HTC.

Thanks!
[Windows Phone 8 General] george232:
I'll buy the 920 at the day of the release, but I really like to see Nokia pulling out all the stops - 41mp Pure View, 4.8" edge to edge screen, quad-core Krait, 3,300 mAh battery. I'd buy that monster in a heartbeat.
[Windows Phone 8 General] tboy2000:
Quad core is just not needed for this OS. It would be more of a battery drainer if anything. Am so glad they have only put two core CPUs.
[Windows Phone 8 General] voyager_s:
I like the Nokia 920 the most out of all that we have seen so far.

The ativ s also looks good. I like the HTC designs but I'm not so sure about HTC devices anymore. They seem to always suffer from some sort of build quality issue.
[Windows Phone 8 General] AbleAmazing:
I think I'm going with the 920 sometime in early November. I just feel as if it's a safer bet to choose the OEM that's exclusively developing for WP8 as opposed to HTC who's primarily focused on Android. Plus, I'm more impressed with Nokia's hardware.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
oh really? editing a 42mp image , compressing it, or capturing 1080p won't benefit from a quad?

if 256 k was really enough....
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
why would you be editing a 42mp image on a phone esp one that does not even have a 42mp camera?
[Windows Phone 8 General] thebobp:
Quad-core is not a battery drainer. If anything, it has the capability to conserve battery. See, the extra cores don't always have to be on, but when running an optimized app, the instructions can be parallelized at lower frequencies.
[Windows Phone 8 General] tboy2000:
The only drawback to the lumia is if you buy some of their accessories eg the wireless chargers, speakers etc - if you want to upgrade your handset then not only will you have to sell your phone but also the accessories too! Of course you don't have to buy the accessories, but why not if they make your lide easier :)
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
^not really, the wireless charging has standards that should work on new phones.
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
Also nfc headphones should work on other phones. You could argue that the colors are designed to match but then you know that when you buy. I personally wouldn't match anyway if I get the headphones or speakers I would go red with a yellow phone. Not sure I will bother though as I already have bose headphones and I love them (though extra bass would be good I love beats (I know that's a red flag to a bull here but its personal taste) but they only with htc :( that said the nokia's are monster who originally did the beats so).
[Windows Phone 8 General] tboy2000:
i think then its best just to get the accessories in black. Black goes with anything :)
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dr.8820:
Looks like Samsung for me, not because I want it, but because as a Tmo customer, this is good as it's gonna get.

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[Windows Phone 8 General] leventccc:
Probably Samsung for me.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AsedG9trZ9updFlhelVHQ0ZYWGl4VlczTVlQanptU0E&output=html
[Windows Phone 8 General] stead:
totally agree with HTC, years ago I would of sworn by them, last well built HTC i had was the orbit, every single person I know with a modern HTC device either has issues with the screen or speakers.

So far if money is no object and I could afford any of them it would be the 920, however in real world land it will probably be none of them.

The biggest thing for me is the battery now, I just miss having a phone that lasts upto a week with little usage, if the 920 drains the battery within a day with normal usage I'm just gonna sit it out until the next revision of phones comes out, I don't need a phone, my current one works fine...but the camera on the 920 does look nice :(

I'd love a wp 7.8 device with a modern single core cpu that sips at the power with a big 2000ma battery, I will happily live without the extras if it lasts!
[Windows Phone 8 General] Talderon:
Lumia 920 for me. I have looked at all of the devices up close and played with several of them, but the Nokia phones are just solid.

I agree with the statements about the HTC phones. They have really tumbled down hill. My last HTC was an Inspire 4G and it was nothing but trouble. Now I have a Samsung and LOVE them, but when it comes to the WP8 offerings, I just can't pass up what Nokia is packing into their 920 device!

Luckily, I am getting mine for free, but I am just chomping at the bit to get it NOW... LOL!
[Windows Phone 8 General] leventccc:
A question for lumia 920 voters.

What do you think about the weight and thickness of 920? Did you guys think it will never be a problem or something like that? I want to hear your opinion.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Talderon:
I have a Samsung Galaxy Note (179g) and when I picked up the 920 (185g) it seemed really... Solid... The weight didn't even cross my mind, but knowing how heavy it is, it'll hurt if I bean someone over the head with it when pitched like a fastball. :D

I had doubts that I would be able to get used to such a smaller screen, but after playing with it for 15 minutes or so, I don't have that reservation anymore.
[Windows Phone 8 General] leventccc:
As a one x user I really love the slimness and the lightness of one x. Thinking about buying 55 g heavier and 3mm thicker device just hurts my brain :) I really love the features of lumia but ativ sounds better on the spec side.

(2300mAh > 2000 mah, 16gb+sdxc > 32gb 8.6 < 10.7 135 < 185)
[Windows Phone 8 General] Talderon:
To each their own really. I don't go that far into my decision on phones because if it does what I need it do to and I enjoy it, then I'll get it. Weight for me has never really been an issue because I won't break when carrying a phone that is a few grams heavier than another.

My wife on the other hand, she would care about the weight, but I don't see it as a big issue. :)
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
We are talking grams here it is hardly going to tie me down when im out and about. My wallet is bigger and i have no beef carrying that around, plus i get to leave my mp3 player and camera at home. Plus phones are going bigger now and its more the span of the thing that worries me than the thickness or weight and with that in mind the only other choice (ativ s) is the same just slimmer.

---------- Post added at 11:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:42 AM ----------

We are talking grams here it is hardly going to tie me down when im out and about. My wallet is bigger and i have no beef carrying that around, plus i get to leave my mp3 player and camera at home. Plus phones are going bigger now and its more the span of the thing that worries me than the thickness or weight and with that in mind the only other choice (ativ s) is the same just slimmer.
[Windows Phone 8 General] StevieBallz:
I never really got the obsession with "thin phones". I never minded having a thick phone with my Nokia N95 back in the day because it had good speakers and a great camera for which it needed that kind of bulk. On the thickness: it's actually thinner than most devices were 2 years back and I don't remember too many complaints that those were so fat as to cause issues.

It might be a cosmetic issue mainly and I really like the look of those phones so in the end: no, I don't think those will be issues for me.
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
I'm still trying to figure out the obsession with a phones weight. I have literally never heard anyone complain about the weight of a phone. This is like some real diva stuff.
[Windows Phone 8 General] AlmightyCushion:
I agree. A relatively heavy phone is noticeable at first but after a few days you don't even notice it. I went from the borderline anorexic ZTE Blade to the grossly obese Xperia Play but after a few days I didn't notice the weight at all.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Greywolf_Ghost:
As I always buy my phones outright, I am never locked into a long term deal.

So I will jump to who ever will have the Lumia 920.....and for the first time ever I may lock down.

Or if things just don't look good plan wise, I will buy and network unlock the phone and go where I can.

This will be my first Nokia since my 3210.
[Windows Phone 8 General] askpcguy:
The weight of phones is the same as comparing camera mega pixels. Sure it stands for something but only to a certain point and consider a large portion of the public won't even care about all that stuff.

If a phone has features you are interested in, who really says 'oh that won't work because the phone is 10 grams heavier than I wanted. Now the TSA will give me a headache over it (only joking about the TSA).'
[Windows Phone 8 General] stead:
just checked the first phone I had, it weighed 135g apparently, an old phillips savvy! I figured that must of been heavier and bulkier, maybe the lumia 920 will feel too heavy, 26mm thick, those were the days!
[Windows Phone 8 General] Greywolf_Ghost:
I myself don't mind a phone with some weight. I like to feel that it is in my pocket.

I truly can not get over that people make a fuss that a phone is overweight.

Are we as a people getting so weak that some extra grams ( not pounds ), is causing us pain????

Is the future for real starting to look more like Wall-E ????

Sorry to sound mean, but for real....try this test..... Hold your hand to your ear for 5 min's, and if after your arm feels heavy and tired...it's not your phone.

I often wonder how my Father lived through the aweful time of first gen cell phones...........small car batteries attached to a cell
[Windows Phone 8 General] stead:
I do like a bit of weight, but whats bad is I look at that picture and all I can think is how long would by phone last with a small car battery attached to it, I would love my phone to be a few mm thicker for longetivity. I would however be annoyed if the deepness of the phone was greater than the width...as long as it can fit in my pockets its not to big :)
[Windows Phone 8 General] Vanquished:
I'm thinking the Lumia 920...

I love my Lumia 900 so I'm excited. Of course, My Lumia is only 6 months old so who knows what might come out between now and my contract renewal date...
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dadstar:
Sucks that the Lumia 920 has to be just for AT&T, otherwise I may have chosen it.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
You guys should move away from America.

Down here in my country, every phone is available to all operators ^^
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
Im not from America so please forgive me if this is ignorant but im quite interested t ok now why in the USA there is such a debate about the carrier. Surely at&t cant be that bad or they would of gone out of business. If you want a 920 why cant you just go with at&t? I see this a lot online people going its not on my carrier but surely if your getting a new phone your getting a new contract and so free to go with whoever has the handset you want.?
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dr.8820:
1) Price

2) Coverage

I'm a little disappointed at the WP platform for this...the L900 strictly on one carrier was a disaster, so Microsoft and Nokia does the same thing all over again...you can't possibly expect the platform to succeed when you put your flagship phone on only one US carrier, but the other carriers get mid-level devices.

Sent from the Maverick @ Cedar Point using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
Isn't the 920 pentaband?

If so, Nokia isn't the one to blame. Blame the platform and the lack of interest.
[Windows Phone 8 General] dragonide:
I will buy a WP8 when a 5" or more screen device when it will be released.

Changing my wonderfull Titan for an ATIV-S looks like wasting money/time to me.
[Windows Phone 8 General] XATAGuy:
Tough call.

While I completely agree with you, fellow carrier of the Titan, on the virtues of display size, the Ativ would give us: 4G LTE, SD support, a faster processor, NFC, a 2300 mAh replaceable battery, and at 4.8”, we wouldn’t have to compromise on display size. It’s a step up without even mentioning all of the coolness that comes with the upgrade of the OS to WP8; which I believe comes with Nokia Map programs. (Disclaimer: I have never actually laid hands on Nokia Maps. I’m basing my opinion strictly on hearsay on this one – but I’ve read nothing but praise for this program.)

I say this, but like you, I’m probably going to hold off a day or two. I’ve been on an HTC Titan with a 4.7” display since they came out around a year ago. There are a couple of things I am certain of:

1.) I don’t know what the perfect size display is. I’m not sure I’ve found it yet.

2.) I will NOT be going smaller than 4.7”.

Obviously this is a very personal choice. Display size may not be as important to others, but just like cars, that’s why they make more than one model. Also like a car, one with power windows or cruise control, I think moving to a smaller display would be a tough compromise. I’m certainly going to check out the Lumina when it comes to the AT&T store, but my bottom line is that I absolutely cannot believe that HTC isn’t planning a high-end WP8 device with a 4.7” or larger display.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dadstar:
My whole family is on Verizon. And I'm the son of the family. Therefore, I cannot be stubborn and selfish like that. Besides, the 8X is gorgeous and perfect for me. And yes, pricing is often high with AT&T, and their coverage isn't available everywhere. On Verizon, I get coverage almost everywhere I go.
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
k i take it you have to pay for cross network calls? the 8x is really nice if it wasn't for the lack of mem i would snap it up but that's a pref thing if you don't need it you wont miss it. I also think the Ativ S is unfairly getting looked over, not only is it the thinnest with the biggest screen its also go a much bigger battery and sd card. I'm getting the wife and Ativ S its sized almost the exact same as the s3.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
One of the biggest things that makes the ativ S overlooked is the appearance.

Many people, myself included, look at the appearance and size of the phone. Although there have been some ppl saying here that big and thin is good, the large majority actually disagrees, but we are kind enough to respect your thoughts so we don't go against it.

Besides, "best specs" is also a matter of perspective. Is your phone REALLY going to use that 1 GB of RAM? For a resource hog like android, sure, 1GB is never enough, but on Windows Phone, 1GB is overkill.

I also find the CPU overkill. But that is a non-issue here, since many other phones seem to have that same CPU (apart from the 8S).

The storage part: really now, are you actually going to use all that storage?

let's see...

16/32 GB of internal storage. Well the actual number would be 14/30GB considering the OS takes some space as well.

on top for that you have another 32 GB of SD card.

And 7+ GB in skydrive. I have 25Gb in skydrive, for free

What on earth are you going to store in all that? And that is a fare question.

Music? 1GB of music is A LOT of music. How about 16 GB of music?

APP? seriously, in 1 GB, you should have more than 200 apps.

Documents? I wanna know what kind of documents you plan on carrying so that 16 GB is not enough...Half the wikipedia database?

Most of the specs on ATIV S are overkill. You will never use them to their full extent. And this is why it gets overlooked. The other phones also look prettier. the ATIV S pushes me into depression every time i look at it.
[Windows Phone 8 General] StevieBallz:
On the issue of memory:

My Titan currently has ~ 4 GB of free space. What I have installed is not really anything out of the ordinary. Navigon is the main culprit of taking up memory because the Europe-Edition needs several Gigabytes. Then there is offline storage of Spotify tracks and some Offline-Videos in SuperTube. It continues with some XBox Live Games. Those regularly take up several 100 mb of Storage. Most of those I own I don't have currently installed - if I did I guess there would be no room left for taking pictures or recording video.

While 16 GB of memory are most certainly enough for most people there are many for which it is just too little space or very likely to be too little Space for the duration of the coming 2 years. So too me it is a decision of at least 32 GB or having SD support - although we currently don't know in what way the SD will be usable. It seems Apps only can read them which would mean that most of what takes up space on my phone could actually not even reside there.

Also for my usage scenario the 25 GB of SkyDrive storage don't really help me. I use them for pictures regularly but there is some stuff I want around even if I have no reception or a bad one.
[Windows Phone 8 General] apollooff320:
Well the ATIV is also made by Samsung so it's made of plastic.some of us want quality phones not a phone that feels like a toy and looks like the SG3.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
Yeh.

Forgot to mention that >.>
[Windows Phone 8 General] DarkVasyaK:
The only REAL thing that prevents me from buying Nokia Lumia 920 is the weight. 185 grams. That's way too much and that's why I will go with Samsung Ativ S...
[Windows Phone 8 General] DavidinCT:
I, Like others, want a Luima 920 on Verizon Wireless. The 8X with the So-so camera and only 16gb with no expandablity is totaly out and the Samsung looks like a S3, it has some nice features but, does look like just another Android device.

I guess I wait, unless I buy one on the used market, It will be waiting on the 920 or see what HTC has coming in a high end model (Zenith ??), they need to compete with the Lumia 920 and the 8X is not it (When the 900 came out, the Titan 2 came out, a far better phone by the numbers)
[Windows Phone 8 General] devize:
Seriously? That's the only reason? As if you'd really notice much difference, we're talking grams here, not kilograms. I find the whole thing on weight ridiculous, OEMs have brainwashed people in to believing that a few grams weighs a tonne.

Go use the l920 for an hour or so and you won't even know the difference.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
unless you don't have enough muscle mass to lift the phone.

in which case a phone would be the last of my worries.
[Windows Phone 8 General] DarkVasyaK:
Yes, seriously. My previous phone was Samsung Galaxy S which weights 118 grams. I really enjoyed its weight, it was fun, I wanted to use this phone because it was very light. Now I have Galaxy Nexus which is 135 grams, I bought a bigger battery and now it is almost 150 grams. This weight is just ok for me.

When I had Samsung Galaxy S, I tried to carry for some time iPhone 4, which was really heavy for its small size, and HTC Desire HD (164 grams!) and I didn't want to use it at all, because of weight. It just blocks the desire to use the device. That's why I am sure that 185 grams is ridiculous. On pair with Microsoft Surface RT I think Ativ S will be more suitable for me...
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
I only drink bottled water because water out of glass cups is just too damn heavy for me.

/s
[Windows Phone 8 General] DarkVasyaK:
Do you hold the glass of water for more than 3 hours during the day?
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
Yes depends on my urinating cycle, lol.
[Windows Phone 8 General] apollooff320:
weight matters to me because heavy phones pull my pants down.
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
Get pants that fit maybe? Jk

On a serious note, you guys would've seriously been complaining 5 years ago.
[Windows Phone 8 General] DarkVasyaK:
Well, 5 years ago phones were much smaller and lighter because they were not smartphones :good: (I don't mean Pocket PC here or whatever)

My Windows Mobile phone was quite light
[Windows Phone 8 General] nado_x:
I'm coming from the Android camp, on my thirds device (SGS II)

I'll most likely be getting the Lumia 920 after trying out the 900 which is almost identical size/weight-wise. Does anyone know or have any sources as to how well the camera shoots photos besides all the low-light tests? I'm wondering how fast it takes photos and how the general image quality is in normal daylight.
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
^ 920 is the best phone camera right now, besides the 808.

Name a wm device that was light compared to today's phones? I'll wait.

This is such a non issue.
[Windows Phone 8 General] sahilk:
After seeing that 920 is only with AT&T here in the US, im sure a lot of decisions have changed. retake the poll
[Windows Phone 8 General] DarkVasyaK:
Sony Ericsson Xperia X1. It weights 158 grams and has a sliding keyboard! If not considering that it is 3" comparing with 4.5".

Anyway, we need to wait for some reviews.

I would better remove the wireless charger but make the phone 15-20 grams lighter.