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[Galaxy S III General] setspeed:
Thank you for your replies regarding on how to "fix" her issues, perhaps I didn't make it clear enough - I was able to sort all of her issues out for her as I am well versed with Android. The point is that many of her issues require digging down into menus that a novice could not know existed, or they are issues caused by thoughtless defaults on the part of the manufacturer.

Many people (iPhone users especially I think) pick up a device and learn how it works by using it, they don't want or have time to read manuals or dig through settings menus trying to guess what might or might not be in there. For instance my colleague couldn't make the mental link between installing a new app and having it appear in two different places (seemingly randomly arranged, because it would just go to the first empty space on her home screen, and her app drawer was not alphabetically organised).

If she couldn't make that mental stretch, how would you then expect her to think "Ah, this behaviour might be adjustable - where would I adjust it? Oh of course, in the Play Store settings, where if I press the Menu button (with no indicator that there is a menu underneath that button on that screen) and de-tick auto-add widgets"

And they aren't even widgets, they're app icons! So even if she had got there by some stroke of luck, she probably wouldn't have understood it anyway, because widgets are something else!

My point is that Android and Samsung have a long way to go in the usability stakes for novices.
[Galaxy S III General] setspeed:
She got the phone because she was impressed with it's physical characteristics, big screen & nice camera. But using it has been far more difficult for her than her old phone, and hence she doesn't feel comfortable with it unfortunately.
[Galaxy S III General] Dan37tz:
Man I gave up long ago trying to convert iPhone users.

I tried to convert 3 at my work, and all 3 times it backfired on me. They could not grasp Android after using iOS for so long and you become the ASSHOLE that ruins their life. iOS is a perfect operating system for most people, you don't really have to think much to use it. It's just so beautifully easy to use and intuitive that you could just pick it up and master it within 10 minutes.

On that note, I could NEVER EVER go back to iOS, ever. When I use an iOS device, it feels like I'm using a phone. When I use my Android device, it feels like I'm using a computer.
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
So basically OP, she doesn't know how to use the phone yet?

Why the hell did she buy a phone thinking she would instantly know how to use it?

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That's exactly how it is!
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
I edited my reply with more thoughts. Basically, I don't see Android going that route of simplifying because that is just not in the Android genetics. All android manufacturers should follow HTC and Samsung and make idiot proof Window phones to supplement their advance android devices. Because let's face it, if they dumb down Android some more most of us are gone once we get bored of Jelly Bean. No one here wants Android 4.2 to be simple like IOS.
[Galaxy S III General] KMino:
Don't understand it either. I jumped on a Mac the other day and was lost in iOS. Problem IMHO Mac holds your hand does it for you, whether you like it or not.

Android, less hand holding and many ways to do the same task. Can see that being confusing. It's like a prisoner being let free, all those new options are so confusing.

Like comparing a new Honda with automatic everything. To a Ferrari or Porsche that surrounds you with options of how you want everything to operate.

As I say in IT, to most plebes RTFM. :D
[Galaxy S III General] onmike:
I don't really agree with that.

iOS is more user friendly. Everyone has a smart phone today as they do a computer. Not everyone uses for the same purpose.

Of the list I think number 4 is legit.
[Galaxy S III General] LiquidNarwhal:
not to sound like a ****, but people who are incapable of learning how to use a smart phone are just not people I want to hang around or be around. It just doesn't require much mental capacity, it requires looking at a settings menu to fix most of the problems you have listed.
[Galaxy S III General] kulisap:
The OP is pointing out why it is difficult for iphone users to digest the s3 and he did not list those as problems on s3.

You may want to reread the OP's intention.
[Galaxy S III General] Silver-Hawk:
Well said friend, I'm starting to like you here! :P

My thoughts exactly. I see ur point in each one the "problems" u pointed out.

Android, imho, still hasn't arrived at a point where, say I may recommend it to my parents. Or for anyone with no extraordinary interest in being on the edge. Sure I absolutely love android, but then I've always been a techie guy. No doubt apple devices are way ahed in simplicity and giving users an overall comfortable feeling.
[Galaxy S III General] monoespacial:
I don't even know where to start. Why do people assume you can only have this experience with an Android phone?

My Mom has an iPad. Actually, she has two. She only knows how to install games. Her screen is a mess. She doesn't know how to use Skype on it. She doesn't know how to add contacts, etc. She doesn't know how to open other tabs in Safari. I could go on.

Her boyfriend uses an iPhone. He knows how to add contacts. He doesn't know how to use maps, how to toggle wifi (he knows, he just can't remember every time). He uses the camera but doesn't know how to transfer them to his macbook Air or send them by mail, so he uses a point and shoot instead.

So, it's understandable that someone who knows nothing about technology to not be able to correctly use an Android device, but they can't use an iPhone "correctly" either. The difference being that the iPhone will "look good" even when the user is an idiot, while an Android phone might look messy, just like a Windows desktop will.

Sorry, but this has nothing to do with a specific OS, it's a post about how dumb some people are with technology in general.
[Galaxy S III General] Nikhil'Da Devil:
Your point being "getting more dumb" in my opinion if we would have wanted all those things cooked and served in front of us we would have brought an ifartphone but everybody has his own quirks no offence intended

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+1 agreed
[Galaxy S III General] barondebxl:
I'm sorry for quoting the whole post:p, from what I understand she has had the phone for a week or maybe less. She should be patient and learn cause those are totally two different OS. Many former iphone users (like myself) make an easy transition to android, but you can't be frustrated because your apps are not listed in alphabetic order ( which by the way it can be in an easy way). But at the end of the day, some people just wanna have something that works and they don't want to worry about anything. I think she should keep using an iphone for now.

I agree with you a little, Google can definitely do some simplifying here and there, but the beauty of android is that it can do so many things and there's so many options of what you want to do. If I hadn't become an android user, honestly I probably would never know what a kernel is, whats a GPU, a cortex A9, all that good stuff but I'm going of topic lol.

Tell her to read through this thread, maybe shell find a few interesting points.
[Galaxy S III General] Baldilocks:
THIS is one reason why manufacturers should include thorough, well written, PRINTED User Manuals with their cell phones.

On another note, I find that reception, at least on my International version, to be on par if not better than any iPhone I ever had.
[Galaxy S III General] nodstuff:
Your stupidity both amazes and enrages me.

That is twice your comprehension of the English language has let you down.

I get that it may not be your first language and that you thought it made a certain point, but I have news for you, thought made a fool out of you.

Please refrain from answering a post until after reading it thoroughly and on the condition that you understand it completely.

Try not to make yourself look a fool three times in a row.

"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
[Galaxy S III General] Nikhil'Da Devil:
Got the point(your opinion) mate but not interested in it

And for the sake of it I corrected the one wrong point I made in first post
[Galaxy S III General] awsy44:
I had an iphone 4 and converted to S3 , but most of my friends who own iphones tell me if they should replace it with an android, or specifically an S3 or a Note 2, I told them to stick with iphones because as soon as they touch my phone they feel like everything is a mission to do on androids, it is true, androids is not for the average user, its more complicated specially if you want to make the most out of it.

iphones just work out of the box until the day you get rid of them , everything works the same way when you bought it, and for most people its the way they want a phone to work.

Never try to convert iphone users to androids, unless they actually know what they want and not only because its a bandwagon of people who are just trying to be rebels.
[Galaxy S III General] tntgdh:
I don't mean to offend but your friend seems to be a little slow. Most of the complains are of things that can be changed if you pay a little attention to the pop ups that show up all the time. Even my girl got most of the things pretty quickly.

I learned as she did just by reading what was described for me on those pop ups.

I understand that most of iphone users don't like to think much about those things and that's the reason why they love apple.
[Galaxy S III General] lukesky:
I am glad that dumb people don't know how to use an Android. I would hate it if Google had to dumb down the OS for those "technologically-challenged" individuals. iOS and Android are catering for totally different markets, let's keep it that way.
[Galaxy S III General] Kangburra:
Yes, I agree, if the S3 is too complicated it's just as well there is an iphone.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
The op really just proves what we have suspected all along.

Proud to be an S3 owner, capable of independent thought.

I have an I.Q.

They have an i.Q.
[Galaxy S III General] zas311:
I bricked my Note and sent it to a service center. So I borrowed an iphone.

First, I could not go back to the previous screen. When I use my Note, I did it by pressing the back button. On iphone, there was no back button! So I had to press the center button and started from the home screen again.

Then, I tried to listen my favorite music but could not transfer them to the iphone from my PC. What the... So I had to give up.

I wanted to read some text files in my PC on the iphone but again, i could not transfer them to it. I had to use email as an attachment sent to me from PC.

The list can go on.

My point is that once you are accustomed to it, it is harder to change than learning from the start. So when I got my Note back, it was just like i came home. I enjoy everything my Note offers. Note is my home, iphone is a street bench.

Sent from my GT-N7000
[Galaxy S III General] anup123456:
Android is not for kids or the ones who know nothing except switching off and on their phone.
[Galaxy S III General] a67543210:
This shows how Apple has rendered people's brain stupid, by offering a system with little or no configuration. Well, if you want your android to be simple, just use it out of the box, as it is. Don't bother touching anything you don't know, and it will be the equivalent of the iPhone simplicity. But how not to touch, when you see new things your mind had been numb for so long?
[Galaxy S III General] sohebq:
one of my friend had these questions too, he was a loyal iphone user but on my request he wanted to try android. He bought it and i just told him the basics and asked him to explore it by yourself to keep the interest going, he was so amazed that the things he couldn,t do on iphone are easily done on samsung. Now he knows everything from rooting to installing custom roma, so he is the proud samsung user now. PERhaps its ur fault for not educating her

sent from: designed for humans :)
[Galaxy S III General] jason11:
IOS and android have several years gap. Like 20 years old car and latest new car. If you give a grandma who used and 20 years old car couldn't drive the new 2012 model car in a minute. I hope In the future, IOS user's will learn to catch up with current generation.
[Galaxy S III General] askpcguy:
First, you do not have to quote the first post. If you do please edit it down to what you are replying to.

People these days do not want to spend time learning all they can about technology. Go into every menu, every setting screen. Yes even look over user guides.

Once committed to memory, using technology becomes easy.
[Galaxy S III General] Alarmmy:
Brainwash is what Apple did to their users. Iphone is a disease which makes your brain stop functioning properly. If you dont practise your brain regularly, it will react slowly to the change of environment. Eventually, you will get Alzheimer's disease. That is what iphone users end up.
[Galaxy S III General] eggman89:
Thn why get a smart phone?

Just for apps? You can just leave the S3 as it is and get apps.

No one forces you to go to menu.
[Galaxy S III General] Baldilocks:
Sounds like it is you who is brainwashed -- or just ignorant.
[Galaxy S III General] jason11:
This video will explain how iPhone users were brainwashed and become dump, some of them even hold their iPhone in other hand and say "it is different".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4
[Galaxy S III General] devadatta:
Android

This situation reminds of the movie Demolition Man.

The whole society is turned into a very obedient one.

Everything just works.

But this makes everything artificial and robotic.

LIFELESS..

Same is happening to iPhone people.

There extreme user friendliness is turning users into bots.

And the OP states the very obvious example.:)
[Galaxy S III General] rdy2go:
It's mainly the question of intelligent defaults. Relatively few use settings. :)
[Galaxy S III General] eggman89:
To be honest, even I had the same issue.It took me few hous to figure it out. Yes it was annoying.

This is just different behavior. And it's very intuitive to change it back to alphabetical order.

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I agree. But it's more intuitive than changing the equalizer for Music app in iOS. You have to go out of the app and go to settings. :P

She doesn't have to. With the normal usage pattern of an iOS user, all these bloatware will cause no lag.

Moreover, isn't it better that there are more ways to uninstall an app.

Moreover you can't uninstall an app from Playstore if you don't have an internet connection.

I don't agree.

It's not iOS. It's a basic feature of android.

Too bad iOS user can't enjoy it.

Can't understand it? Don't use it.

Wanna use it? Learn how Android works.

And it pretty simple to use an widget.

It's not anyone but her fault that she didn't see the indicator of Widget tab.

Subjective, placebo , and in my experience untrue.

But again it depends on the location.

Really don't understand the complaint. It's pretty easy to select any one of them.

Just a tap away.

maybe iOS spoiled her since there is hardly any configuration you can do in the Camera app except for HDR on/off.

No one but her fault.

Don't understand it? Don't use it. Press the skip button.

Except for few unintuitive issues, most of them seems to be an issue because she was excepting an iOS out of android.

It's not. Take few minutes to understand how it works and it's pretty simple.
[Galaxy S III General] josefmawas:
Let her install this application:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwyLDEsImtyLmNvLnNhbXN1bmcuZ2FsYXh5czMiXQ..

I think this really could help her
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Give kids credit...

My 9 year old can pick up things VERY easily.

I understand what the op is saying, and it's a pity some people have trouble understanding things or trying to learn new things.

But 'dumbing' down smartphones is not the way to go.

Most of those things mentioned in the op are really basic things.

For example, my oldest boy (9) never touches my phone.

I just gave him my phone (after washing his sticky little fingers) and told him to check out the apps in the app draw. He clicked on the icon that said 'apps' and scrolled across until he got to the widgets. I said "they're widgets"

He clicked on the clock widget and struggled to read out aloud 'touch & hold to pick up a widget' (I had to tell him what the '&' meant)

Then he long pressed on the clock widget and tried to drop it on my weather widget. He realised straight away he couldn't place it there and said "wait up". He went back, got the clock widget again, dragged it across 2 pages and dropped it on the screen.

Nuff said....

*edit.... btw I congratulated him and told him that there are adults that can't do that. He felt pretty good and said 'you can set alarms with that dad"
[Galaxy S III General] knuckle03:
Never ever convert iphone users to android...because
[Galaxy S III General] chwads2k8:
no offence but sounds lot like when i gave my s3 to my 5 year old niece lol. most of them probs are simple to solve. am sure the user had iphones for years tell her use the s3 for a month theyl gt used to it.
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
Superb :thumbup::D:thumbup:
[Galaxy S III General] aydc:
You don't need too many reasons for that. This image says it all. Samsung's phones look like plastic toys while iPhone looks like a proper expensive premium smartphone.
[Galaxy S III General] Kangburra:
And looks are everything for an Apple user.
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
Speaking of the iPhone 5, it apparently does not run A15 cores which would have been its only redeeming quality. Now it is just a deformed girly looking 4s that would perfectly match with girly cigarettes like More. Great job Apple.

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Apparently not because the GS3 is much better looking than a deformed 4s.
[Galaxy S III General] chiragkrishna:
is this guy serious??? o-0
[Galaxy S III General] slaphead20:
......and making the back of your phone out of glass is? :confused:..............;)
[Galaxy S III General] Arsaw:
This is not the phone or manufacturer fault. But I also cannot blame your girlfriend because there are millions of users who behaving just like your girlfriend - ignorant and negative mindset. These are the very same people who also cannot use the search function properly.
[Galaxy S III General] DeadSOL:
First, let me talk about the OP. I think some people should just stick to their iPhones. We, as Android users, don't need to convert the entire world. SOME people just can't use complicated stuff so let them use the iPhone. If, on the other hand, they try to say that the iPhone is better... Well, I'd hit them on the face with a sledgehammer but that's just me. :P

Now, for the guy who said that Samsung phones are plastic looking; Er, piss off? What are you even doing here?
[Galaxy S III General] gee2012:
So to sum it up: you need at least need half a brain to operate a Android device, and no working braincells required to use an iPhone :D
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
Differs DeadSOL;31617973]First, let me talk about the OP. disjointedme people should just stick to their iPhones. We, as Android users, don't need to convert the entire world. SOME people just can't use complicated stuff so let them use the iPhone. If, on the other hand, they try to say that the iPhone is better... Well, I'd hit them on the face with a sledgehammer but that's just me. :P

Now, for the guy who said that Samsung phones are plastic looking; Er, piss off? What are you even doing here?[/QUOTE]

Apparently he thinks that he needs to champion the iPhone in enemy territory. Little does he know that the iPhone 5 is just about the worse design ever.

Taller but not wider

Squished 16:9 aspect ratio instead of a perfectly fine 4:3 aspect ratio

Different size speakers

Two toned look that makes the phone look disjointed

Terrible design.
[Galaxy S III General] Baldilocks:
Design is subjective.

Ease of use is subjective.

Let's move on.
[Galaxy S III General] nbdc:
Entirely the wrong attitude.

The OP is right, Android does need better default settings and it needs refinement and better guidance for new users.

Of course we want everyone to be able to use Android, this doesn't mean it needs to lose the advanced customisation/options, a router has a basic set of options and then to get to the QoS etc you press the advanced button and viola, a million new ways to customise your internet connection.

Besides, we shouldn't want people to buy Apple products, they are the enemy of free enterprise and technological advancement, so the less people buying their products the better.

Also Samsung phones do look plastic, the outside is just plastic and glass so of course they do.
[Galaxy S III General] leftheodo:
I'm sorry but after reading the OP I believe that your friend deserves an iPhone
[Galaxy S III General] Baldilocks:
I bet a lot of you would look 'stupid' if you had to use MS-DOS for 5 minutes. Do we really need to belittle people just because they have no previous knowledge of something?

These threads are getting old.
[Galaxy S III General] harise100:
This thread is another advertising attempt by Apple or it's diciples to get their "iOS UI is soooo simple" plugged.

It's matter of fact that Android takes a little learning curve. But hey, if you think learning a few new things is too much for you, then you shouldn't use computers and smartphones at all.

Stupidity is not a virtue!!!
[Galaxy S III General] ahardie:
I think it is inevitable that if you design a phone to be more customisable then it is going to need more of a learning curve. Surely anyway there is room in the marketplace for both ios and android and competition benefits us all. I have the s3 and it's perfect for me. It's the best toy I have ever owned. I love playing around with it and learning new things from forums such as this. I also like iphones and that is what I bought as a present for my wife who isn't geeky like me. Someone mentioned soccer mom's being an ideal iphone user and I think they are correct. They have neither the time or the inclination to spend hours learning and playing with phone settings. In reality they have more important things to do and they want something that works pretty well out of the box. I hope none of this offends iphone users or soccer mom's. It certainly isn't meant to :)
[Galaxy S III General] wideasleep1:
It truly is conditioning of one's expectations: iOS is largely static, and one simply adjusts, rather quickly, to simple operations. Intuitive, but conditioning. It would never occur to a conditioned iPhone user that there could be a better way, and even if they did, iOS doesn't allow for such customisation. That is a different approach than Android, which is far more variable as a result of being an open platform. Android users are conditioned in a different way..we have the expectation that we CAN resolve and improve our experience, and tailor it to fit not only our functional desires, but aesthetics as well. Choice among different platforms is a great thing...and Android is supplanting iOS without needing to rush towards (over)simplifying or copying iOS...indeed I believe iOS/Apple is now playing catch-up. The OP's girlfriend and her phone will ultimately be based on her conditioning, expectations, and desire/ability to learn, and iOS may just be a better fit for her, rather than it being 'Android's fault'. :)
[Galaxy S III General] gboydroid:
S3 is a ANDROID device. iphone is iOS

totally different. :D

S3 --> you can do what you want on your phone. All the problems you've mention in the OP is manageable through settings and 3rd party apps. (the exciting part).

Iphone ---> all are default. Definitely for default minds, in short for NOOBS. hahahaha