yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tarbyonline:
Which is pretty much what Nokia seemed to do (a long with putting all their eggs in the Symbian basket) and look what happened to them.

At the end of the day it all comes down to marketing. Like the new iPhone. Is not the moist technologically advanced handset out there but you can bet apple will shout about its merits louder than Sony will about their range. At the end of the day, prior to the iPod how many non-IT people had even heard of apple -the iPod itself is an example of clever marketing. As an MP3 player the original iPod wasn't fantastic -the sound quality was patchy, you had no custom equaliser, etc, etc. But people avoided more established audio brands including Sony in favor of the iPod as apple got the timing right and built a product many people found desirable. Its like jeans. What's the difference at the end of the day between 2 pairs of denim jeans made in the same factory. Probably not a lot. But put a brand name on one pair and you can bet it will sell a lot quicker due to the marketing undertaken by that brand.

If Sony want to make a major impact on the phone market then IMHO they need to do 3 things

1. Design desirable handsets with features people want and can't get from competitors such as apple like SD expansion, and equal or better everyone Elses build quality. Aluminium will always feel better quality than thin plastic yet apple make huge margins even though their production is outsourced.

2. Invest in marketing with a view to the payback coming in the long term (IMHO they missed a trick with the Xperia 2012 devices by not marketing the sound quality -many people use the MP3 function on their phones whilst commuting for example so why not trade on the Walkman brand more for example). Create a strategy and allow the mobile division to innovate without interference from other parts of the company - strong leadership is needed for this

3. Create a level of exclusivity by releasing a limited number of handsets a year, say an entry level, mid-range, and a flagship device with each having its own best in class feature and the higher models incorporating at least as good features as the models below in addition to their headline feature which appeals to their particular target market. If apple released as many phones as Sony have since the split from Ericsson there's no way they could create the hype and buzz around each new release. Samsung are a special case as their strategy seems more focused on flooding the market with devices but even so their build quality isn't the best which could haunt them.

RE the patents issue it seems to come down to who has the most luck on the day. It seems to me that apples big fear is someone else coming up with the next big thing as once apple are no longer seem by the general public as leading edge they have nothing to fall back on as essentially their only asset is the apple brand. Is not like they can supply components to other companies like Samsung, Motorola, and Sony can and regroup.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SharpnShiny:
I agree with a lot of what others think here too.

Another thing is, look at how many partners Apple has in making the iPhone including:

CPU: Samsung, though rumoured Apple is trying to develop it's own chip

Screens: Samsung, Sharp

Camera: Sony

Can Apple really afford to fight with everyone? (I mean more than just money terms).

p.s. I have no doubt that Apple would be intimidated by the Sony+Ericsson patent portfolio. If having a huge patent portoflio wasn't useful, then why would all these tech. companies be spending billions on buying patents? I finished my thesis on the patent wars in college a few months ago, I wish I could have gotten more of this in! :victory:

I just found this, one of Steve Jobs' best friends thinks the Apple vs. Samsung verdict will be overturned and he says he doesn't agree with Apple recent behaviour anyway:

http://www.talkandroid.com/131823-a...idForums+(Android+News,+Rumours,+and+Updates)

Steve Wozniak
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Luhccas-X10:
It's not about Sony itself.

The big boy here is Ericsson,wich have almost the entire range of intellectual patents for essential GSM communication and data. (2g,3g,4g...)

And Sony acquired it :cool:

Apple is not so dumb to do this.

They know the smell of "danger".
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SEFanX10i:
@draugaz

Mister, Sony is among the top 5 patent holders GLOBALLY. There is no way Apple can even dream of suing Sony.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tarbyonline:
IIRC apple already design their CPU/SOC and Samsung manufacture it under contract - apple can't make its own chip as it has no fabrication facility. At the end of the day much of the design is based on the ARM original chips - only so much can be changed (including the GPU, on chip radio, etc). AFAIK the new iPhone has a Sony display as well ( though. I await to be corrected). Even Samsung use Sony camera sensors in some of their products. The whole lot gets shipped to a manufacturer ( probably foxconn) who put apple software on and stick it on a pretty box.

Apart from their brand and OS, apples products are based on everyone else's technology and manufacturing which means they don't have to spend money on building fabrication facilities, etc they just cherrypick the technology they want
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Its not Sony itself? Get your facts straight before you comment.

Go google some Sony.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SharpnShiny:
Apple's A5 processor now manufactured in Texas

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/12/16/apples-a5-processor-now-manufactured-in-texas/

Made in America: Apple's supply chain increasing US production

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...es_supply_chain_increasing_us_production.html

Samsung made the A5 (iphone 4) chip for Apple in Texas, US it seems, and many, many smaller parts like wi-fi are being made by US companies now like Texas Instruments it seems. It's interesting that Apple has moved so much production home.

I don't know where the information about Sony making the iPhone 5 screens comes from, so far I've read there is three manufacturers, and the primary company is Sharp, of Japan.

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...ipping-underway-after-initial-hiccups-1097120

One comment I'll make separate to all of this is, I'm very surprised at how little help Motorola's patents have been to Google. Motorola have an old heritage in the roots of telephony like Ericssson and have the patents to go with it. Microsoft and Apple have tried to prove that that's misuse of key patents in court. I know someone asked this earlier - FRAND patents, patents which are key to an industry which are protected from monopoly, they must be licensed at a Fair, Reasonable And Non-Discriminitory fashion.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57492514-37/apple-scores-courtroom-wins-in-motorola-frand-case/

http://www.androidauthority.com/goo...pt-frand-patent-license-apple-germany-110821/

For anyone interested in the Samsung/Apple case, Steve Jobs' old time friend Steve Woziank says he thinks Apple doesn't have a case with claims of rounded corners and bezels etc. He also says he believes that ruling will be overturned...

http://www.talkandroid.com/131823-a...ak-thinks-apple-v-samsung-will-be-overturned/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57512463-71/woz-i-hate-the-apple-samsung-patent-fight/
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Luhccas-X10:
Go google some Ericsson and watch my facts.

http://www.ericsson.com/thecompany/company_facts/patents
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Its about Sony kid not about Ericsson. ;)

Think before comment. I said nothing about Ericsson. ;)
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Mr.Krypton:
Source
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
^

List of top United States patent recipients
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Luhccas-X10:
Think and read again you.

I said "it's not about Sony itself

The big boy here is Ericsson"

And then:

- And Sony acquired it

:good:
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] draugaz:
And yet, as we see, Apple is not afraid to sue Samsung even as they collect mobile patents like champions. Many of them in future technologies such as LTE. Apple knows all of this. Or Motorola (i.e. google) which has many thousands of mobile patents and many thousands pending applications.

While Sony has a huge pile of patents it is also a huge and very diversified corporation working on many things. The 64K question is, how many of them are applicable and how many of them would actually stick in the american court.

Here is an interesting illustration about the mobile patent pools:

Samsung is far right, even farther as Sony. Apple is far left and has like 10 times less mobile patents as Samsung. But they sued anyway.

And by the way, going WinPho is no protection from apple lawsuits. Apple wanted money even for Samsung WP phones.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] lokenok:
^I cant even see Apple on that map.. wow! Nokia and Samsung , Sony and Ericsson together they are team unstoppable! and the villian is, APPLE!
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] draugaz:
Apple if just left from the Panasonic.

But frankly it does not matter much. Ericsson could have piles and piles of wireless patents, but if Apple buys their chips from Qualcomm under a proper agreement, then they are covered by cross licensing agreement between Ericsson and Qualcomm.

Sony could have heaps of very powerful image sensor patents, but if they actually manufacture Iphone cameras, then they can't sue on them.

And so on.

So, the real question is, what agreements Apple has with its technology suppliers, what is left uncovered and how many "other" relevant patents does Sony have (like noise filtering via several micros, voice quality enhancments and stuff would be very interesting), or which would matter for iOS or iWhatever user interface design.

Then those piles and patents could look dramatically different.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Stop requoting my words.

Sure its also Sony. Sony is much bigger then you think smartboy.

I think Apple aimed theyre weapon to the lawyer. Thats how they win, with a eyeblink...

Verstuurd van mijn Xperia S met Tapatalk
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] darth5zaft:
Didn't sony,apple and microsoft join in acquiring some patent from a bankrupt company. Then they cross licences with each other?

Personally, I guess the Ericsson part is about the same as motorola (which Google acquired so sony is protected also). Most apple patern are about user experience but sony too has been making consumer electronic for a long time so probably tons of patern on Ui.

Even if that not enough. Sony too make bunch of music and movies that are sold in iTunes.

I'm sure sony is confidence enough as they still has a universal search and rubberband effect on the tablet s while the Xperias are still rocking swipe to unlock.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] tarbyonline:
At the end of the day when all is said and done even if the Samsung verdict is overturned,people will still associate Samsung with copying as the original verdict will stay in their mind. Its an interesting point about the cross licencing agreements which may or may not be in place. I think it is also important to remember that as many of the Ericsson (and Motorola, Nokia, etc) patents are probably related to how the various networks work and the technology behind them then it could be argued that they are standards essential. Likewise many of these parents may relate to the way analogue networks work and so do not apply to digital mobile telephony.

Personally I feel that the patent system has become outdated but with technology moving so fast and the potential gains being so high there will always be people willing to find ways to abuse/exploit it to their advantage. Most people would agree the rounded corners thing is ludicrous but in legalese it probably makes perfect sense.

Only 1 group of people will ultimately benefit from all this patent nonsense - lawyers, as each lawsuit is then appealed and counter sued, etc, etc. Its like kids in a playground trying to get each other in trouble.

---------- Post added at 08:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:24 PM ----------

Just had a thought there. Re: swipe to unlock, is this not exactly the same motion / gesture as the locking slide (hold function) on the Sony minidisc (I still have mine actually) players and so an obvious evolution of that concept.

In fact I can't think of any non-touchscreen portable audio I own that doesn't have such feature, including my headphone amp, ipods (shock, horror I own some of ’Satans devices’ lol), all 3 Sony MP3 players, compact/portable CD players of various brands , Sony discman, and even a portable cassette player. Surely this is where the idea for slide to lock came from - how do were incorporate this feature into a device with no physical buttons.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] gnashville:
Samsung

Funny thing about the whole Samsung vs. Apple...

People are looking at the Samsung lineup and saying

"If they're so similar, why am I paying so much more for my iPhone?" :confused:

Can't have it both ways Apple...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Luhccas-X10:
Why don't you stop the quote orgy first?

I know the importance and size of Sony,i worked for it two years, mr ihavethereason... And you?

Well...

Simply read what I said and try to understand the point here,not so smart kid.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
And now he is a bad ass...

Why dont you understand little kid? Quote i mean things what i say kid.

Working doesnt mean know all.

I know enough people who works for companys but doesnt know **** about them.

Nope, you need to watch your words.

Verstuurd van mijn Xperia S met Tapatalk
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] louis.b:
They just look the same. Samsung's build quality and design is so pathetic I dont even know where to begin. Their technologies are not impressive to me either. The SAMOLED screen is terrible. The UI is fugly. I just cant never imagine myself own anything made by Samsung, especially not when the Samsheep are on the loose trashing everything not made by Samsung.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] frothe3:
They don't need WM8, because Android is free. I believe, and I might be mistaken, that phone companies pay a fee for WM, just like they do for PC Windows software.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] darth5zaft:
They pay more fee to micro**** to use android than wp8
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Luhccas-X10:
Blah,blah,blah,"i have the supreme reason!",blah,blah,blah...

And,am I the kid?

Nervous because i've quoted you?

Report me...
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Crumpets:
There's an easy way around this, and it's to not use design elements from other companies, except under valid licenses. Who then, can sue anyone?

Sent from my LT26i using the xda app-developers app developed by xda-developers app development team. App.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] draugaz:
This is not as easy as it could seem.

First, there is no way to know what is patented and what isn't. And in which countries. In general you could assume, that everything is patented.

Second, there is a number of UI design elements which users simply expect to find or they simply get confused. Like "pinch to zoom" or "use finger to unlock". It is the same kind of expectation like round steering wheel in cars, throttle under the right foot and brakes under the left. Yes, you can build a car with hexagon steering wheel and throttle under your left elbow, but you will hardly sell any.
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] Efe64:
Woot
[Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go] SharpnShiny:
I would normally agree with you, but I think we are long past that point. You can patent almost anything now. Google made a statement a few days ago, responding to the Samsung vs. Apple case in California, saying that they originally didn't intend to follow the same patent line as other companies, thinking that you couldn't patent curved corners and bezels, but now that you can, they realise that they have to patent. Search a tiny bit of that on Google and you'll find it, I think it was one of the big guys in Google who said it.

For anyone really interested in this stuff, I recommed checking out Ericsson's history. The founders explained their reactions to patents over the years in business and their reasons for their tactics, it's a great history lesson. ;)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Z33type:
Since this new talk of the Iphone 5 I want to annoy my apple fan base friends with this boot animation. I know there are people that have done this on their other devices just don't know how to do it for the HTC VIVID.

Would anyone tell me how to load this boot animation to our phones?

Here is the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_sHKtW6jwU
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Danny 0311:
I wouldn't help you if i knew how. It's childish!!:p
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Mjones307:
Use root explorer go to system,customize then resources.This is where you put bootanimation zip,you have to rename it ATT_bootanimation.zip. remove old zip or rename first

wcx experia-ance rom
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] mg2195:
Here.. look for the flash able pee on apple zip http://www.mediafire.com/?8kikwfbibbdea

Link from this thread here on the themes and app section for the vivid...http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1561379
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] homeslice976:
I could probably make that for you. If I find some time in the next day or two (actually if I don't find time today it won't be til next week). In the meantime like suggested above, you can use my peeing on apple animation. If you want to try it yourself, here's my step-by-step

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19VWwv7gdSWTxW4eA_x6btP6Zv8dP_gs6lg8_cjoKhDY/edit
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] sfetaz:
I apologize if this is the wrong section for this but I thought this would be good info for the developers. If your on a jellybean ROM or a ICS ROM with Google now,you probably find it annoying the voice dialer is used for Bluetooth with no way to choose a different voice app. I have found a way. I have only tried this on paranoidandroid 2.1 which is CM10 so I don't know if this will work on any other ROMs, not tested yet on a touchwiz or ICS ROM.

ALWAYS HAVE A NADROID BACKUP MADE IN CASE SOMETHING GOES WRONG.

Its super easy. I did a full wipe and flash first although I don't think its necessary. I updated your Google search app to the latest version thru the market first. I then went into titanium backup and converted Google search to a user app. That's it! Now when I press the Bluetooth button, I can choose my preferred voice app Eva, I can choose Google search which is voice dialer, or I can choose Bluetooth launch, which can be used to launch Google voice search.

Remember I just discovered this like 90 minutes ago and only tried it on one CM10 ROM, so it may not work on others.

Also for those on paranoid android, there is a separate app called voice dialer installed, which appears to be the ICS voice dialer. I uninstalled this first. After doing that bluetooth button would use Google now voice dialer, untilbi converted Google search to a user app.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] sudermatt:
is anyone else tried this work confirm that this works.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] drewski_1:
worked on my Razr Maxx. thanks sfetaz!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Morkai Almandragon:
this should be stickied somewhere!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] SotYPL:
Nice, I it also allowed me to chose S Voice for home double click on Beans 10. Thanks!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] johnnilsson:
I can't make it a user app in tit any suggestions.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] drewski_1:
do you have TiBU Pro (paid key)? converting to User App is one of the Pro features.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] johnnilsson:
Yes it starts and then says it cannot complete. Maybe its my synergy ROM but if beans works I figured syn would too.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] sfetaz:
Are you trying to convert the app named google search or the app named voice search? Voice search I got that error. Google search worked.

Just noticed that if I set one of the apps to be default for bluetooth button, i lose the default on a reboot and get the choice menu again. Wondering if anyone else gets that.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] droidstyle:
op, add [mod] to the thread title! btw nice work
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] BlueCross:
The **** did I just read?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jjmiii:
I had two Google search apps installed. The first couldn't be made into a user app. The second could and I was able to make s voice my default for double tap.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Dovigoldberger:
Are u on a jellybean ROM or ICS?

Is there anyone with an ICS ROM that this worked for him?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] drewski_1:
Worked on my Razr Maxx on an ICS Rom with the Google Now mod
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jjmiii:
Worked on beans ice 10. Updated to 12 and it didn't work.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] sciencedada:
Worked for me on Gnex CNA 3.5.0 (JellyBean)

I am so glad you posted this method because I was getting frustrated having spent $100 on a Plantronics Voyager Pro BT headset.

Prior to this, it didn't have any of the functionality or accuracy that I had on a cheapie non-android prepaid cell!

It was not straightforward/clear how to switch to a user app in Titanium Backup Pro, so here are quick instructions:

Open TiBackup and select Backup/Restore

Select Google Search

On the popup screen, scroll to the right to select "Special Features" for Google Search

Select "Convert to system app" near the bottom of the options

I also went into System -> Apps then selected "All" to find "Voice Dialer" and Disabled it.

I don't know if this is a necessary step, but I did not want to uninstall voice dialer because I thought that perhaps it might be needed by other apps.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] vicw:
The approach sounds promising, in that the change would lower the priority of Google Search, but running stock 4.1.1, rooted, on my GN, I didn't see any option in TB to make Google Search a User app. I will go back and try again later, but perhaps this method won't work with my setup.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NCguy:
Under stock, rooted, 4.1.2 convert to system app does not show up as a TB option for Google search. Yes, I'm using the pro version and it shows up as an option for other system files but not for Google search.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] picaroxda:
YES!! It worked for me... but I've to say that the app I've converted in user app is not "Google voice search" but "Voice commands" (in my Italian Phone is Compositore Vocale) that in my phone (SGS2 + cm10 NB 10/29/2012) was the one starting when the Bluetooth headset button is pressed. Finally I can use again my Cyberon Voice Commander in CM10 on SGS2 (i9100) !!!:victory:

thanks a lot sfetaz...:good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] drewski_1:
Did you swipe to go from "Backup properties" to "Special features"?

Also, you want the opposite "Convert to user app"
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NCguy:
Actually I meant to say user app, sorry. And yes I did the swipe. It must have something to do with Android versions. Seems to be a moot point now, at least for me, because since the play store update to google search the ability to set a third party app as the default voice dialer has now been restored.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Stam2000:
Hmmm mine didn't give me that option

Forgot to add I'm on Synergy Jellybean r90

Sent from my Synergized Verizon GS3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NCguy:
I'm on stock, rooted 4.1.2.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NCguy:
If your on Synergy you are probably using voice dialer as opposed to google search. That's what cm10 and aokp did. When 4.1.2 came out google also sent out an update for google search. That's what brought back the defaults once agaun.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Coderedpl:
Does anybody know if this by any chance will make the Google now commands stream via phone speaker rather than the bluetooth media source?

I have a bluetooth connection established to my car but I don't have the bluetooth media streaming selected on the car, because I listen to SiriusXM. I noticed when I used Google now it streamed to through bluetooth rather than phone speaker.