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[HTC One S] gibarian:
I appreciate your willingness to help us out, I really do, but I will have to ask you to stand down if you haven't experienced the home screen issue yet. I want ONLY people who really have this problem to post about it, or at least through this action/thread.

Why? Well, because if others do so, it undermines credibility. I want honest statements on these review websites, from people who have seen this bug first hand.

That's my official point of view on the matter. Of course, I cannot stop you from helping us anyway :D
[HTC One S] gibarian:
I have now left comments on most videos about this phone I could come across: reviews, but also problem reports etc.

I might have forgotten some: you are welcome to help me out :)

Remember: TOGETHER, WE ARE LEGION!
[HTC One S] Roundtableprez:
I'm sorry but is this really a real issue? My whole family (not including baby brother) has the oneS were all rooted and on different ROMs(my sister just prefers stock though) and none of us have had this problem... not even once. I truly believe it is not fair for people to write bad reviews on phones because of one issue a select few are having... and ones has 4g why are you using edge? Leave a one star rating? How about you get a new phone and leave this beauty to us?
[HTC One S] Sneakyghost:
I have two devices and one is ok.

I think there's people though who got a return from service with a new phone 4 times and the issue is still there. Look over at the Vodafone UK forums.

Since the facts show that it is spread over all production batches and all software variants and also even happens on the 850/1900mhz band, although far less frequent, we came to believe that this issue can theoretically affect every unit.

Those who do not suffer it are considered lucky ones for now.

I am aware that this is all looking very grim but I'm sure it really isn't. Just HTC's response is dark and grim.

It's mainly about putting more pressure on HTC since they have fobbed us of since basically April now.

I am very very sorry if this concerns you as happy user. Basically the idea for such a campaign already came up at around the end of July when I and zoesdad where discussing options but we opted to hold off such actions and also discourage others from doing so out of fairness reasons.

We have now reached a span of six month nearly consisting of nothing but empty promises and denial. It is just enough now.

Also keep in mind that we will change the reviews and take back everything we can as soon as HTC commits to the issue in the shape of a real fix.

Thank you for your understanding.

[EDIT]

Gibarian,

I have now begun to post some reviews (managed to cover cnet) but my lunchbreak is short...

I would like to edit your german template, impressive german you got there (where do you come from mate?), but i would like to take out a few minor glitches, makes it sound a little smoother then. Do you mind?

Here's the edit. Take it or leave it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pJUpTGLz8PNJkwqwRg1IhardJys172wwyv3sMp5Zvh4/edit
[HTC One S] gibarian:
I couldn't agree more on SneakyGhost's reply on your post. I share this 100%

I'm really happy for you, I just wish all of us would have the same things to report, trust me.

I haven't enjoyed spending half my day and my whole night all the way to 5am writing this thread, the reviews, the posts, the sheets and forms, the advices, the research and all the posting. I would have loved to just sit back in my garden and toy with my phone (which is a beauty, no argument there!) Unfortunately I can't, because of this issue. I had it no later than today when using the GPS, which would just disappear and the screen would go crazy. No way to rely on it...

As SneakyGhost pointed out, we unfortunate ones feel neglected and are disappointed by HTC's lack of action. Thus the action.

Remember this:

- We plan to adjust our reviews as soon as the bug has been mended

- We clearly point out that the bad review is due to this bug

- We urge people to remain civil

You might want to read what I replied to maek_it_happen a few posts higher, and who was offering to help even if he did not have the issue (thanks again): we do not encourage this, because we want our claim to be justified and forwarded only by people who suffer from this issue. I believe that is fair, no?

And about using 4G instead of EDGE: Man, don't you think I would do so if I could? I don't choose to connect to the slowest network available. Maybe I do so because there's nothing else around... Btw, the technical sheet of our phone clearly states that is compatible to EDGE. So...

Enjoy your phone, and please wish for all of us here to be able to do the same pretty soon ;)
[HTC One S] gibarian:
Thanks SneakyGhost. You work on sundays? Oh man, sorry to hear that...

Check out my profile: I'm from Luxembourg. Puts me on the crossroads between France, Germany and Belgium. And my wife is swedish, so English is the way to go at home ;)

I will insert your template: I'm sure it's better than mine ;)

I'll PM you to grant you admin rights to all the documents: it will make things easier.

CU!
[HTC One S] gibarian:
Nice. Cheers! Hopefully others will follow your lead ;)
[HTC One S] Roundtableprez:
You got promises from HTC? Truth full though they support their phones better then most my sidekick never received an update from Samsung. My droid didn't from Motorola. Holy**** my HTC oneS did though. Give it some time you can't expect to fix an edge data problem when everyone uses 3g/4g right away lol. Anyways I'll go back to my thread as to not clutter your guys thread we can argue about the ethics there if you like.
[HTC One S] Sneakyghost:
:D

Trust me, no real harm done, this is a mere try to threaten a giant. It will probably just show that we are serious but never bring down the sales figures. That is a dream. But a dream worth the while. And mate, it might help us at the end of the day.

HTC promises fixes since two month at least, has released 3 updates (one of them just being a voda) of which each manipulated the issue in a slightly different way and looking at it in sequence gives the impression of HTC actually testing a fix on us. Which is so not right. We are not getting paid as beta testers.

There is one user on a German forum claiming he got an ETA for the final fix, named the 8th of October. I think thats just bullsh from either him or the agent he spoke to. Anyhow: if there is such a thing as an ETA, its just so unfair to not let us know and let us fry in our pains here.

I think many of us would willingly test stuff out and help to get this resolved asap but its just like we are treated like idiots since month. It just makes me feel so stupid and i ask myself why do i do all this data collection, analyzing, thinking about solutions, chatting with people to try desperate measures ( Tecardo already nearly bricked his unit trying to figure out a fix on his own)...

Its just such an EFFIN pain!

It needs to go away.

My phone resorted to locked buttons variant of the issue all freakin day today! kept unlocking it so i could - maybe - use it for a few seconds until the buttons locked up again...

And honestly, i am short of giving up, selling it on ebay and buying a HOX instead on Ebay Local markets every day. Every Day i keep thinking about this but i wont for two reasons: i have some honor left and i wont sell THIS POS to anyone in that state. The other reason: there is no other phone i would feel comfortable with so much. The HOX gets close but honestly, its made from plastic and its not nearly as nice. The phone is too big too.
[HTC One S] Fredfly:
This whole campaign sounds like a bad idea. Using threats to get your way is not the proper way to get people to listen. All the and reviews will do is discouraged people from buying the one s and if this happens HTC will offer less support. Why spoil the dozen if one egg is bad
[HTC One S] Sneakyghost:
why keep a dozen bad eggs if only one is good?

And: we think we don't threaten. We rather believe we haven been overly fair to a company that is not fair to us. We have all kept very very quiet. Most have not rated the phone or reviewed it yet because most expect this to not hit the majority and most did not take action to not spoil the dozen. We have quietly dealt with HTC support. But now it becomes apparent more and more that HTC support just does nothing, zip, nada. It is a real joke. Not a funny one though. So what this is, is that we are no longer wanting to be quiet. We want everyone else to know that there is problems with these phones. Potential ones. It is not just all candy.

and believe me, the matter has been discussed between us up and down the argument ladder since beginning of august. I said that already. It will NOT permanently damage sales. Naming it a bad idea means you believe in it having more effect than we do.

Trust me, it will NOT have such a major impact. We will never manage to rate it down on all relevant sites. All that will happen is a little too much salt in the pie.

It will draw attention to the problem. Not more. And once HTC acts correctly, the reviews will be all praise and hallelujah.

No whining. We had enough mercy. This should have been sorted at least 3 month ago. The issue became apparent in April. Now we have september. Which is closing in on october. So that makes it getting close to 2 quarters of a year. I and many others reckon one quarter to fix a very serious issue that hits hundreds of people more than adequate.

We don't even have near the resources HTC has but in the same 5 and a half month we got very near the source of the problem. The only thing that keeps a few people from finally fixing it is the goddamn Security HTC put on the phones.

So, ironically, we can't even fix it ourselves even though we probably could because HTC doesn't allow us too.

How would you feel in that situation? I think we act very rational, very well discussed and very controlled.

This will NOT damage anyone.

Please have trust.
[HTC One S] gibarian:
Let me make a wild guess here: I am willing to bet that you don't have this issue. Am I right? So you don't have the bad egg. Now imagine you did...

Because if you did, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say this, especially after having written to HTC for support and gotten an automatic reply, or none at all, or having returned your phone and waited just to end up with the same result etc etc.

Again: if your phone works perfectly, congratulations! I wish I was in your shoes. But I'm not, and neither are many others. So, after having tried every other way, we end up here. If you have a better suggestion, I will gladly take it. Maybe exchange your phone for mine, how about that? :)

Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything here. Those who want to take part in the action probably have good reason to, because spending time creating user accounts and posting on websites is not that fun. Trust me, I know :) Yet if people do it, it means that they have a pretty strong motivation to do so, and no other choice.

Bottom line: I am looking forward to enjoying my One S fully, like you probably do, when this issue is fixed. But I will do what it takes to get there!

If you cannot understand this, fair enough. I really hope you won't have to share my experience.

Live long and prosper! :)
[HTC One S] Fredfly:
I see your guys point and believe me I feel for you. I'm just afraid the one s development will suffer more then what will be accomplished with HTC.
[HTC One S] gibarian:
A fair point, which I can only share. I pleases me not, believe it. Yet, well... I just hope we're gonna get results real fast, and I will really enjoy editing my reviews then... with my beautiful HTC One S! :)
[HTC One S] Roundtableprez:
Truthfully this isn't in the right section and your endorsing people to troll on websites about the oneS truthfully I think this should be closed.

Not to mention all the bad publicity for xda that should follow from this. If you get one bad egg out of the dozen you throw the bad egg away and move on about your day obviously it affects less people then youd think since you only have like 5 supporters. Seems the issue is less common then you'd think huh.

At the end of the day your discouraging people from buying a great phone and that is wrong. If you didn't like your oneS when you first got it, you should have returned it that week...
[HTC One S] gibarian:
Well, if no one supports this initiative, I guess there is nothing to worry about then, right? And if people do, then there must be a reason, so... Wait and see...

We discourage them from buying it because we have a serious issue which has not been fixed yet. Do you have this issue on your phone? I bet not... If you did, and you had tried everything to fix it to no avail, all the "reasonable" ways, what would be left for you to do? Sell it to somebody else while "forgetting" to mention the issue so you can get money for it?

The issue often takes time to get noticed. Weeks, months... depending on network coverage and other (yet unknown) factors... So the "give it back" technique doesn't always apply. Btw, most people having this issue still like the phone, it's just that they want the issue fixed...

Ok then...
[HTC One S] opiswahn:
Dude, i think you got some missunderstanding of the problem with this phone. It is not the fact that we LIKE to use GSM or EDGE so much, it's because we HAVE to, 'couse there are many areas where there is just no G4 net. And this are the areas where some of the phones freak out. And if you happen to live or work in those areas, and nearly 3/4 of the day you are stuck in GSM/Edge, you'd be pretty pissed.

If you don't have those problems, good for you! If you'd had them and had to deal with HTC promissing things they don't keep, sending in your phone several times just to find out nothing has changed, you'd be really pissed.

This campain is not to just rant on the phone in general, just to make the problem heard. If you buy this phone for good money based on good reviews just to notice the HomeScreenm-Problem at home... That's not fair either.

Reviews are to show the good AND the bad, and if a phone has a bad side, it has to be put on the table, anything other just isn't truthfull. The reviews should contain the information that the problem isn't a very common one, but it has to be there. And then it's up to the customers and HTC to decide how to deal with it.
[HTC One S] djsubtronic:
This is f**king retarded. Want to bring the rating down to the minimum of an otherwise great phone, while SPAMMING, just because a small portion of users have this issue?

LOL.

REMEMBER: TOGETHER WE ARE MORONS.

We had far greater issues with the MAO failures and that was addressed by HTC without the need for such an idiotic 'movement'. This on the other hand is likely a software issue so keep your dicks in your pants and wait until the JB release is out.
[HTC One S] opiswahn:
Dude, why the swearing and insultig? Are you unable to deal with things that concern you in a normal, civilized way? In that case, STFU!

Anyhow, the MAO issue was addressed by HTC very quickly and without any problems, while our problem resides since several month without HTC officially moving any muscle. This is just a way to make HTC respond to our concern, even(or because) we are little in number. Just because the issue isn't as widespread as the MAO doesn't make it better for those affected. We, like anyone else, payed big buck for this phone, and it has an issue HTC isn't accepting officialy, well, just because it's cheaper for them just to sit it out. This seems to be a common move of companies these days, 'couse the stupid user buys everything they advertise. Well, aside those issues it is a great phone, and THAT is the reason i haven't returned it yet for money.

In my believe, companies are bond to deliver a failure-free produkt for a premium price, and if it has an issue, which can of course happen, they should fix it, and not sit it out until everyone shuts up just to maximise the profit.

And stop the insulting, damn, what happend to the discussion culture nowadays??
[HTC One S] gibarian:
Exactly! Let's keep it civil people. You are welcome to share your opinions, even if you disagree: That is your right, and we listen to your objections. We just hope you do the same and have some understanding. Obviously, it would be easier to feel for us if you went through the same thing...

Be happy, enjoy your phone and just wish for us to be able to do the same very soon and all this will go away.

Thank you!
[HTC One S] djsubtronic:
Discussion culture went out the window when you guys presumed it was civil to go around spamming websites to drop the rating of a good phone. The very foundation of this thread is pretty uncivilised, why should anyone respond in a civil manner?

Reducing the rating isn't even going to help your cause. I went through three different HTC One S phones until I got one without MAO issues. One of them did have the home button issue, but I experienced it about two or three times in three weeks.

Concentrate your efforts on contacting HTC directly. Especially people in high ranking positions. The guys on the HTC Desire S forum did this when the official ICS update kept getting delayed, and they got their point across. And like I already said, since this is likely a software issue, there's a high chance the JB update will fix it.
[HTC One S] Sneakyghost:
I am in good contact with HTC. I have had some statements telling me either indirectly or even directly that HTC doesn't care because they think its not enough phones that are affected.

Every promise and every friendly word from them is a SWEET SUGAR CANDY BLUNT LIE INTO OUR FACES.

if we now resort to SCREAMING i could do so as well.

It doesn't make anyone look any smarter though and i assume that you, djsubtronic, probably had been drunk last night while typing that. I cannot explain it any other. You had been pretty reasonable before on the other thread.

And since we all are entitled to have hour opinions you are very welcome to have yours too and express it but you really don't need to scream, mate.

All we do is getting people who are actually having an affected phone to speak up.

We do NOT want anyone else (with good samples or no samples at all) to join in.

We have a right to express our frustrations and because it is so many and because it is near certain that it is even more which have not been seen yet it will eventually correct the picture that is now dominated by false positives mainly.

Have you ever heard about professional review-writers that push products on various platforms? Have you heard about the war between the mobile phone producers that is partly fought with this method? Do you really think the positive reviews on the big platforms are all from customers?

There is a good deal of purposely placed good reviews all over the net that do trigger other sheep like morons (the true believers, right) to chime in and praise and sing hallelujah before they even had the phone for a day.

This is, although it might have sounded different to you, djsubtronic, not about destroying anything. In Fact, it won't because it's not enough people for that to happen (just a dream, right). It is solely meant to correct the very wrong picture that fools people into buying something that is really flawed. And i repeat: it is not just those 430 people on the sheet. Wherever you go reading about the issues of the HOS, you find hints that there is sh1tloads of people having no idea whats happening to them. Those who left positive reviews are amongst them too mate. Because they usually cant tell one issue from the other.

You ever heard the Term "Raise Awareness"?

Everyone else thinking we are morons:

Please stop before posting and re-think! This has absolutely nothing to do with being idiots. We try to reach out and get those that are affected to please speak up now. We have been very, very quiet for 6 month. That is really enough.
[HTC One S] markeemark:
Sneaky keep up the good work mate, you're doing a great job.

As for the suggestion to take it to a higher level at HTC, I have been promised an urgent callback from their escalation team for over a week now, and I've been communicating with them patiently to no avail for two months. They just don't care. I have the MAO and homescreen problems.
[HTC One S] gibarian:
What can I say but "Yes!"
[HTC One S] Sneakyghost:
I've had the escalation team call back 3 month ago. It happened right after i dumped a negative rating on their support who did nothing for me and hardly spoke my language.

The "Escalation Team" is nothing more than a sedating pill for those opening their mouth, combined with a few questions designed to find out how to shut up those before they can speak up next time.
[HTC One S] LibertyMonger:
This is a really stupid plan. All they will do is drop support for this phone and stick everyone with a dead phone with no updates. If no one buys it why update it. Right before the supposed release of jellybean too what a shame. I know what it is like to own an unsupported phone after being promised upgrades.
[HTC One S] Sneakyghost:
They won't. Trust me. And if they do, feel free to blame it on us. That's just fear. Two people running two threads on xda won't make HTC change their course. That's just absurd. Sorry.

They might wake up though.

Feel the Viper! :D
[HTC One S] gibarian:
Let me get this straight: you want us to stop because you're afraid they might not bring an update to your (I assume) perfectly functioning phone if we keep on going, so we should just keep quiet and live with our bugged devices so you can get your update. Right?

Thanks for your support man, really... Bravo!

ps: Furthermore, Sneaky is right, they won't change their schedule because our action. Hopefully they'll implement a fix in the update though (if software can fix it).

I am amazed by people's empathy...
[HTC One S] gibarian:
I've been checking on the websites I left posts and made a quite interesting (if not surprising) discovery, lol!

On every sales (not review) website I checked except for Amazon, my review did not get published... I could only find 4 or 5 star reviews as far as I could tell, with titles like "Great", "Fantastic", "Best ever" etc etc... My guess: content didn't pass censorship or reviews under X stars simply won't go public.

Review websites would publish instantly though.

I guess this tells a lot about how much you can rely on reviews on sales websites (except Amazon, thumbs up!) :)

Now, some websites would say that there can be a 72-hour delay before publishing the reviews. We'll see, there's still some (not much) time left.

A nice survey opportunity :)
[HTC One S] Sneakyghost:
now that's interesting.

Let's wait until the timeframe passes.

Unfortunately i haven't gotten around doing more reviews and ratings yet. Have updated my OP though people. Check it out. Numbers are rapidly climbing. We had more than a hundred reports coming in the past 2 weeks, which is a lot more than before.