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[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
It literally does. Especially in the context where a specific flaw is being discussed.

If you tell someone who is concerned about separation that your device is flawless, because minor lift isn't really a flaw, I can only ask why you would mislead a perfect stranger for no personal gain. If that kind of senseless dishonesty is permitted here I have nothing more to say.

I just realized you're from Bulgaria. Flawless and perfect mean the same thing, but I wasn't trying to shine a spotlight on your English or anything. It sounded so much like something a native speaker might say that I started to argue with you, so your English is quite good.

Screen lift doesn't mean what you think it does. It has nothing to do with light bleed for one thing, at least not definitively.

The separation happens at the very edge of the device where the glass joins the frame, well outside of where the light bleed is.
[Nexus 7 General] drpepe:
If 6 months down the line the 'screen lift' devices fall apart or stop working, then I would say that it's definitely a fault.

If the mm or so of lift doesn't worsen over time, it is a minor imperfection.

The seriousness of the flaw/imperfection can really only be assessed over time. Does anyone have information on the short/medium term prognosis for 'screen lift' devices?
[Nexus 7 General] jersonf:
Actually it was the second photo in your post with the lowest angle out of all the photos to which I was referring to, it doesn't show up in posts if quoted.

If I mention 86°-88° or 0.4mm-0.7mm off the top of my head, you shouldn't take it seriously, because I didn't.

This screen lift...Not an issue, washed out screen and many dead pixels....Yes, but this...No.

In my opinion of course.

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[Nexus 7 General] Switchbitch:
pxlitup is doing an excellent job of weeding out the people who think their device is 'flawless', yet have screen lift to some degree, no matter how minor. This is my point exactly, and I would disagree that the title of the thread is exaggerated. Every Nexus suffers from the same design flaw which means the screen lift has happened, or is waiting to happen because of the stresses inside this poorly built device.

At a 10% fault rate, getting 5 faulty units in a row would be a 1 in 100,000 chance. 7 faulty in a row would be 1 in 10,000,000. At a respectable failure rate of say 2%, 5 faulty units in a row is a 1 in 312,500,000 and 7 faulty in a row, 781,250,000,000. This has nothing to do with how many people have faulty units or whether they have returned them or reported them here. This is about the probability of getting several faulty units in a row if they don't have a very high failure rate as some people are suggesting. It's phenomenally unlikely to get several faults in a row unless the faults are very very common. To suggest that the failure rate is in some way linked to the person buying the product because of how critical they are is missing the point. ANY screen lift is a manifestation of the design flaw which again, I believe to exist in every unit.

It also seems there are a growing number of posters who are changing their argument from 'there's no flaw in mine' to 'a tiny bit of screen lift isn't a flaw'. Yes, it is a flaw and your insignificant screen lift supports my theory that none are flawless. Why is your screen lifting? Why is the adhesive failing? Because of stresses the adhesive can't contain. Why do these stresses exist? Because of a flaw in the design.
[Nexus 7 General] armorized:
2 things that piss me off about my N7 and im sure others agree. Screen flicker and battery life vs charge. I was impatient and bought mine brand new in the box from a reseller off of amazon and i just hate to have to send it in to get a replacement... Device manufacturers moving away from sd cards and replaceable batteries are gonna force people elsehwere if they keep doing it. I have no screen lift or pixel problems but the flicker makes me want to put my fist through some walls.

Just wait, someone who got one and has epilepsy is going to sue because theyre having seizures from it. Mark my words.

Edit: also, switch, where have you seen the number of produced units to get those odds? ;p
[Nexus 7 General] drpepe:
Yes I agree the discussion has refocussed on the definition of 'flawless'. Rightly, imo.

You may be correct that many devices have 'screen lift' as you define it, but are you really saying that no matter how minor the 'screen lift' is, you still consider that you are seeing a flaw and are likely to rma the device? What about manufacturing tolerances?

What is the end-point for devices with minor 'screen lift'? Do they fall apart, stop working?

I haven't checked my device to the Nth degree, because there is no obvious problem, no obvious creak, no dead spots. In other words, the device looks right and functions right and there is no indication that this will change.
[Nexus 7 General] wideasleep1:
Oy! 11 tapatalk pages of mealy-mouth mumbo jumbo. Perfect and flawless does not exist..an unattainable ideal. One either accepts this concept (about whatever topic/widget/person/etc.) and deals, or they reject it/them. Time for a decision, I'd say...
[Nexus 7 General] arunksingh:
Mine has no screen lift, no creaks, no dead spots, no wifi or audio problem. So will say that it is flawless.
[Nexus 7 General] jersonf:
And it took you the next day to come up with 781,250,000,000?

How many Nexus 7 units do you think has shipped or sold? Now apply your statistic.

I'm joking of course, but you also need to include the percentage of same people constantly returning the same item into any statistic.

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[Nexus 7 General] tkolev:
I can make the difference between screen lift and light bleed. I was just pointing out that the two of the most common "flaws" mentioned here are imperfections and not flaws. Flaw is when the production is outside the tolerances. Perfection is when it is closer to the desired value than any instrument can measure (highly improbable). If your screen is higher than the aluminum frame, it's a flaw. Mine is below the frame, so I can say that both mine N7s are 'flawless'.
[Nexus 7 General] Switchbitch:
781,250,000,000 isn't anything to do with how many have been sold, its the odds against getting 7 defective units in a row given a 2% defect rate. Even if 50% were faulty, getting 7 faulty in a row is a 1 in 128 chance.

In my own experience, the fault rate is 100%. The only evidence I have contrary to this is the accounts of posters on XDA who claim their unit is faultless, many of whom back pedal at some point by saying they have a minor fault that doesn't bother them.
[Nexus 7 General] jersonf:
Did anybody concerned about screen lift even try the screws under the back cover?

Or did people send it back multiple times even though they knew this? I would like to know that statistic.

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[Nexus 7 General] samxool:
If you want a perfect product. Get an Apple product.

Why would you get a Nexus 7 over an iPad?

Its like choosing a stupid crappy Smart car over a Ferrari!

but Fandroids will be Fandroids!
[Nexus 7 General] bczzz:
Sheep should learn to stay in line. Apple is just very good at burying their problems. I guess I'm one of the very few who have a flawless N7.
[Nexus 7 General] tkolev:
You're kidding right? One of the two developer's iPads at the office has screen burn and it's WiFi disconnects randomly. Of the three Android tablets (Tab 10.1, Xoom and a Nexus 7) none has any issues as well as my own Nexus 7 and A500. My wife's iphone randomly restarts whereas my HOX runs like a swiss clock. Apple's perfection is a myth for those that still believe in Santa.
[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
Once again, those devices are flawless.

I attached them because they're the only user submitted evidence that flush screens exist.

I agree. My second unit wasn't bad, considering the prevalence of this flaw and how much worse it can be. The point is that I didn't have the chance to consider keeping it because users on xda were saying that they didn't have this problem, when most of them actually did.

The worst thing about lying is that you take away someone's ability to make decisions using real information.

That is exactly how I have been defining screen lift, and that was the standard I used to evaluate my devices. It doesn't count unless the glass is high enough to eclipse the silver frame when viewed from the right side. If any of the three Nexus 7s I received were as good as yours, I would be counting my blessings.

You must have skimmed my post and thought, like jersonf, that the two photos of solid screens at the end were examples of separation. I was making the point that flawless devices really do exist, "see attachments."

Once again, here is the evidence that not every Nexus 7 has this flaw.

I've attached a few examples of units with screens that are lifting above the frame for comparison, which should put and end to this confusion.
[Nexus 7 General] Troute:
A world of Budhists would declare jihad on you if they could find a perfect way to do it.
[Nexus 7 General] jersonf:
Edit: I apologise to myself for replying.

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[Nexus 7 General] dparrothead1:
A lot of time and energy has been spent on a totally "no win" subject. No one is going to change anyone's mind.

Bob Dylan said it best...."You're right from your side as I'm right from mine". So peace out, Brothers......I'm going back over to the Infuse Forums where members actually try to help one another with problems rather than squabble and call each other names over BS....either real or imagined.

Time for this thread to be put to bed.
[Nexus 7 General] jersonf:
Edited... I apologise to myself for replying, let it die pls.

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[Nexus 7 General] wideasleep1:
LOL! That made my point, and my day. Cheers!
[Nexus 7 General] agtitan:
I did not have screen lift relations with that tablet, Nexus7...

Well that depends upon what the definition of "is" is...
[Nexus 7 General] Metallice:
Thanks to this thread I'm now convinced my Nexus 7 has equal and perfectly uniform screen lift on both sides that does not give with any pressure. It's worthless!
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Ipads blow. So customizable you can change your wallpaper and... Oh wait that's it.

Really to each his own but why troll? I know I for one stay away from Apple message boards because I won't see eye to eye with the people on it so there is no point going there
[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
Calm down. I didn't mean to take anything you said out of context.

Here is what you said in your original reply to me.

You used the plural of "screen shots" to mean that I posted more than one photo of a unit that I would "send back multiple times," although only one of the photos in my original post had screen lift. Then you described the photographic evidence of lift that I used in my support call as being taken at 87°.

In your next post you clarified that 87° was in reference to a photo at the end of my post. This photo:

"If that's the evidence of fault, to call up a call centre, to take photos at an 87° angle, to RMA multiple times of that?"

I was right to correct you by saying that those 87° photos were not examples of lift. They are flawless devices.
[Nexus 7 General] hbkmog:
My N7 has some slight screen lift on the left hand side. The replacement has been delivered already so I will check it out if that one has the same issue. To be honest, the screen lift is so slight that I didn't even notice it until I read on the forum, which I think is the same situation for many people who claim they have "flawless" tablet. The screen doesn't have to rise above the metal frame to be considered screen lift, as long as you can't see all the frame looking from right hand side, then it's a lift.

Different people have different tolerance of defect. If you are happy with what you have, regardless of how other people see it as flawed or not, then it's good.
[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
Actually, that test works using line of sight. The only way the glass can obscure your view from the right side is if it's higher.

Exactly, but acknowledging that your device has a flaw should not interfere with your satisfaction.

The usefulness of this thread is not to convince everyone that this minor flaw is intolerable. It's about taking the bad with the good, understanding that some amount of separation is to be expected. So if you get a device with minor lift but no other issues, you'll know that you're likely to do worse in an exchange. It's the best small form tablet on the market and far and away the best value for a tablet ever, with or without the separation.

Good luck with your replacement.
[Nexus 7 General] hbkmog:
Yeah line of sight, that's what I meant. I believe many people don't know that to check their screen, thus think their screen if flawless.

To be honest, I don't really care about my screen lift because it's very minor but since I'm still in the 15 days return period, so might as well. If the replacement comes the same, I'd just keep mine right now to get another replacement. It's really not a hassle for me, lol.
[Nexus 7 General] myke66:
In reference to the screen lift not being a problem, functionally I havent seen it present any issues, however constantly pressing down the left side to stay in place and having it creep up every few minutes is an annoyance at best.

I solved my issue in 3min with superglue, but until then it honestly was bugging the crap out of me for the sheer fact that I knew it wasnt supposed to be doing that.

On topic, I do believe that most devices will present with this issue and that some just dont notice or not know how to notice. Basically if you can push down on the left side of the screen and it goes down, you have screen lift. My fiance after a week or so now of using it still hasnt noticed hers, so in her mind she has a flawless one. (and I can see obvious screen lift)
[Nexus 7 General] nlaplante:
Just to say that my Nexus 7 seems flawless. No screen and/or back cover issues, no dead pixels. It works perfectly. I ordered it from Canada on the Play Store. I don't know which revision it is.
[Nexus 7 General] drpepe:
What do you think is the medium- or long-term result of screen lift in those devices that have it?
[Nexus 7 General] shook187:
pxlitup......Why are you on all screen lift thread? Why don't you move on and get a iPad,Tab 7.0 or a Kindle HD? You don't even own a Nexus 7 but you constantly keep talking about screen lift. Almost all your 200+ post are about screen lift. Ironically you joined XDA the day the N7 got released.
[Nexus 7 General] Thegreatheed:
I'm pretty sure the OP is correct. There is probably not a flawless Nexus 7 out there. But if that is the case, I would contend there is also not a flawless iPad or iPhone out there either.

ALL products have flaws, however minor. You look close enough, you will find flaws in everything. The extent that people are crying about miniscule, barely noticable flaws in this forum is annoying. I come here to learn about cool ROMs and apps and neat settings, and this forum is flooded by whiny idiots. It is literally driving me away from an otherwise enjoyable and informative website. Go away please! :(
[Nexus 7 General] Visa Declined:
Some of the folks here with severe screen problems have reason to complain(I'm not one of them), and no one is forcing you to read this thread.
[Nexus 7 General] hbkmog:
Just a quick follow up that I just got my replacement unit. Guess what? Even worse screen lift issue than my original one. They are both C70 batch btw.

Now sending it back for the 2nd replacement. Let the wait game begin.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
There isn't a flawless mobile device period. I've never made it 2 years yet on the same phone for instance without swapping for warranty or insurance at some point. That's after 10 years of using a phone too
[Nexus 7 General] TECK:
Hi Phil,

I guess I'm also into same boat, looking for "perfection". I used to own a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and sold it to get the Nexus 7. Between me and you, the Samsung quality is amazing, compared to Asus. Their tablet manufacturing techniques are simply impeccable, not one single defect when it comes to hardware details. As I said several times, I would've gladly pay more for a Samsung tablet backed with pure Google experience. I don't want to use anymore custom ROM's or other similar Android non-vanilla variations, so that's the main reason I switched to Google Nexus and Nexus 7. Too bad Google did not wanted to have Samsung build their tablet, we would've had a perfect phone matched with a perfect tablet.

I got my replacement tablet today. Is a C8O and has the usual minor lift as well some bezel spacing:

I was able to fix everything easy, using the warping technique. The screen is impeccable, no more flushed colors. Yet, it does not change the fact that you will never see these flaws on a Samsung tablet.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Yeah Samsung tabs are nice, the biggest problem seems to be the design with the bezel going around the glass instead of housing the glass. Course guess my flyer was designed the same way, and quite frankly it as high of quality as you could get, as it should be for a $599 tablet. In fact it was actually a bit heavy from all the aluminum
[Nexus 7 General] irishrally:
It's hard to take someone seriously that makes such definitive assertions based on speculation or a skewed analysis of limited data. How do you know that one of the 25 N7 production lines or component lines didn't have some small issue for a few days that resulted in a small percentage of units with screen lift. No screen lift here by any definition after a month of use.
[Nexus 7 General] tweake628:
I have a c70 and knock on wood I am happy with mine
[Nexus 7 General] matus201:
My nexus: When laid on table, there is the multitouch two finger crossing issue - this issue disappears whenever you hold the tablet (it is grounded?) so it's no problem.

No screen lifting.

When full memory, the IO gets very slow random and sequential writes - however, I yet have to notice a slowdown in day-to-day usage. So if I delete the benchmark app, I don't see a problem anymore :)

I just wanted to throw a bit of positive on this tablet. :)
[Nexus 7 General] Switchbitch:
I disagree. I have had many flawless devices in the past.

Because-

1) It's not a production line glitch, it's a design flaw.

2) The odds of anyone getting several of these faulty units off the same line is absurdly low (read: not going to happen).

3) C5, C6, C7 and C8 units show the defect. That's 4 months of faulty units coming off the line and nothing done about it. Good job, Asus.

Plus if Asus knew one of their production lines was spewing out faulty crap, they should recall all those units and replace them.
[Nexus 7 General] TylerDurden1999:
I am getting a C80 unit.

Hopefully is all good.
[Nexus 7 General] jersonf:
It's too much.

I edited and withdrew my last reply :

#117 Yesterday, 05:46 PM (Last edited by jersonf; Yesterday at 05:58 PM.

Yet there still there is a reply to my post, please pay attention to the times.

#122 Yesterday, 06:42 PM (Last edited by pxlitup; Yesterday at 08:00 PM.

Whilst ignoring:

My post #100 "If I mention 86°-88° or 0.4mm-0.7mm off the top of my head, you shouldn't take it seriously, because I didn't."

STOP!

:eek:
[Nexus 7 General] myke66:
Honestly? I doubt there is one. Its not like it will keep lifting up until it pops off, it just raises when it heats up, and you can always press it back down. I glued mine for piece of mind, not because I was worried about the screen lift damaging anything.

Also, like I've referenced before, I'm almost using my Fiance as a "control" in all of this screen lift stuff. Hers has it as "bad" as anyone else, but still hasnt noticed. Even when I point it out to her, she just shrugs it off, and it has never interfered with her using the tablet. She uses it daily and never a complaint.
[Nexus 7 General] spacenbeyond:
Man google should have stuck with samsung.. Not ASUS. All their products look good but have some defect or the other not just the nexus 7 devices.

There were so many other good companies but it had to be ASUS.

Anyways i love my nexus 7 though!!:D No defects that i can see of but im sure there is one which will eventually bite me in the ass someday.
[Nexus 7 General] hbkmog:
No screen lift at all? Have you checked with line of sight from the right hand side?
[Nexus 7 General] tkolev:
Lower price

More devices sold

More people using Google services

More targeted ads

PROFIT!!!
[Nexus 7 General] GroundControl2MT:
I got mine the first week of September, I didn't notice until a few days ago that the screen ghosts pretty bad, I've herd people debate back a forth on this a lot. My question is, is the ghosting normal or should I get a replacement? I'll update with my SN when I got my nexus on me
[Nexus 7 General] adamantell:
I have no problems at all working perfect!

Sent From Nexus 7 XDA Premium HD App
[Nexus 7 General] nicholetech:
No screen lift, no ill fitting back cover on any side. No real issues except for:

Input touch gets laggy when battery is low.

BAD apps cause issues.

Websites using flash. Is not a 7 issue.

Luck, bad luck just seems to run well with some folks.

Sent from Nexxie 7. Own your devices don't let them own you.

Unlock, root, and hack...
[Nexus 7 General] TECK:
I don't understand why all my 3 C8O tablets had the screen lift, while I see many people posting they don't have it. I can either have the worst bad luck or others do not notice the screen lift. However, there are tablets out there that do NOT have a screen lift... all my tablets had this nasty lift:

As you can see, the most visible part is where the central tab is pressing down the cover, forcing down the bezel. This is simply a manufacturer design issue and frankly I don't see how is possible not to have it on all tablets. Yet some people proved me wrong by showing me their perfectly aligned bezel.
[Nexus 7 General] shook187:
I have the exact same lift as you and quite frankly, who gives a sh! t. Its always the same people posting and crying about screen lift. Just enjoy your N7 for now and like most of us tech junkies, we'll move on in a few months to the next big thing.

We have about a million threads about screen separation, but about 3 threads about a screen actually breaking from it.
[Nexus 7 General] Switchbitch:
I have noticed that once the tab on the back cover breaks, or the flimsy plastic slot it fits into fails, a lot of the stress pushing the screen up disappears and the screen will sit correctly, but the back cover will not. My current Nexus arrived with the screen only lifting marginally, but the back cover sitting askew with a gap because the plastic tab was broken out of the box. I would throw into the mix the likelihood that many people without screen lift have a broken tab/slot they don't notice. I know you had a Nexus with this problem too because I noticed it in a photo you posted. I've seen this problem on 3 of my units, and only because I looked for it. The other 2 probably had it too. The plastic tab breaks extremely easily and if you have taken off your back cover, you've almost certainly broken it.

And your sentiments are mine exactly, how can everyone not have this design issue when the design is the same on every unit? The answer of course is that they do, which is the point of this thread. I wish everyone understood this logic.
[Nexus 7 General] Switchbitch:
If a single user's screen broke because of the design flaw, every one of us has cause to be alarmed.