yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Off-topic] Deadly:
Veru good answer mate.. your dads answer atleast should put a lid on this debate i hope as it describes this problem very well..:good:

But my guess is, there is going to be some more debate!:confused:
[Off-topic] veeman:
I think slaphead20 is right. This is more of a philosophical problem than a purely mathematical one. I guess because I took calculus last year and am taking calc again this year, I'm in that mindset.

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[Off-topic] AtoZ0to9:
Ummm... Philosophy ≠ Mathematics
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Ponies=Mathematics
[Off-topic] veeman:
I never said that...

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[Off-topic] Dankest:
Let me ask you this, whens the last time you went to the end of infinity? What did you find there? Infinity is relative to what we understand at this moment. For all we know .999 could end in a different number. We have no way to tell because it doesn't end.

This question is related to philosophy in the fact that the infinite is the unknown because it is impossible to reach(to our current knowledge).

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[Off-topic] AtoZ0to9:
Yea I'm about done with this one...

Something with a documented answer isn't philosophical...
[Off-topic] Dankest:
Let me see this documented answer you speak of. Links or it didn't happen!

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[Off-topic] AtoZ0to9:
Read the whole thread...
[Off-topic] Dankest:
I've been following this thread for a while I've read it. I chose to not go on another's word especially when the source isn't credible. I don't see anyone here that is versed in math so much that they could document .999- its just not feasible. You can make a formula relative to what we understand but is it true? We may never know because we can't see the end

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[Off-topic] AtoZ0to9:
That doesn't make it philosophical... Hypothetical, yes... The formula continues on and on, but because of the constraints of Calculus, they have determined it to be the number 1. Therefore, according to to people in the field, the answer is documented. Now we can keep arguing if you'd like, but I'm not going to sit here and let some one month old member who joined because he ditched his 4s talk down to me. Even if I am wrong. Understand? Now drop it...
[Off-topic] veeman:
Definition of philosophy: "Of or relating to the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence."

This question is kind of philosophical.

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[Off-topic] Dankest:
I'm having a discussion but clearly you have been offended and have resulted to a negative attitude. BTW "people in the field" is just a vague attempt at trying to sound knowledgeable that I'm just going to ignore it. Clearly you have a very narrow view on the world, ty sir and good bye point is proved.

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[Off-topic] AtoZ0to9:
I have zero issues with being wrong... the post up above is why I got defensive... not offended... just think you're a douche, thats all...
[Off-topic] Dankest:
This thread isn't for personal opinions, if you would like to persona ally made a jab at me that is what pm is for. Your actions are leading this thread to being closed, now as for your opinion of me, I could care less. I may be a month old member but clearly you can see who is being more mature here.

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[Off-topic] AtoZ0to9:
PM Sent
[Off-topic] KidCarter93:
I've not been to the end of infinity, but I know of someone who went beyond it.

Buzz Lightyear.

''I used to be an open-minded person, but my brain kept falling out''
[Off-topic] zeppelinrox:
So we should ask Buzz?!
[Off-topic] KidCarter93:
Indeed, but not Buzz Aldrin. Aldrin hasn't been that far :eek:

''I used to be an open-minded person, but my brain kept falling out''
[Off-topic] KidCarter93:
Of course not. Lightyear is more awesome and was obviously the original :rolleyes:

''I used to be an open-minded person, but my brain kept falling out''
[Off-topic] usaff22:
That sig quote is awesome lol
[Off-topic] KidCarter93:
I know yeah xD

People keep complimenting me about it :eek:

I've been approved by Snowflake. Jealous? :p
[Off-topic] DROIDRAZ:
I figured it out. .999999999 != 1

Case solved. Close thread

Sent from my XT912
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Ah, but you forgot the equality system, so this is irrelevant.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Either way, what ever you do, never, ever tell Aldrin that he didn't walk on the moon, it may just be the last thing you say!
[Off-topic] DROIDRAZ:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...
[Off-topic] veeman:
Oh god.....

-___-

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[Off-topic] xaccers:
Time to get this thread locked
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Happy Thanksgiving veeman!! :D
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Unfortunately, veeman thinks that .999999999 of a day equals one day. So thanksgiving for him was awhile ago.
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Given that .999999 for infinity cannot be measured, it is one day. Besides , .999999999 is off by only 0.0000000000000......1 of a day, which is immeasurable, or the very least, not perceptible by human standards.

Besides, did you see this post, read that article!!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=34505676
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Nope. It would be 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59.99999999999 seconds. But it never amounts to a full day
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
But, 0.000000000........1 of an hour cannot be perceived by our brains, what difference does it make!?
[Off-topic] Deadly:
Micro living things can't be seen by us.. so you would like to consume deadly viruses?

**Nothing is True... Everything is Permitted**

Muffins.. Yay, i want muffins!
[Off-topic] veeman:
What? That doesn't even relate....... :confused: :confused:
[Off-topic] Deadly:
Well he started it.:mad:

Human standards.. doesn't make any difference..etc etc..

**Nothing is True... Everything is Permitted**

Muffins.. Yay, i want muffins!
[Off-topic] veeman:
I don't even know what's going on now. :confused: :crying:

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Our immune system handles them all the time. You body is covered by millions of microbes as we speak. Your intestines have millions of bacterium, hard at work helping digest that turkey and mashed potatoes. Not seeing your point. My point is .999999..... of a day leaves 0.0000000......1 of a day. Since our brains don't have the ability to perceive a time interval that small, for all practical purposes, 0.999999...... of a day is one day. Then again, on a clock, the hour will appear frozen at 11.59 to us for eternity, so I don't know, what ev, eat moar turkey everybody!!!:D
[Off-topic] Deadly:
That's y always suggest read all posts:p don't skim read the threads :rolleyes:

@loops..TL;DR:eek:

**Nothing is True... Everything is Permitted**

Muffins.. Yay, i want muffins!
[Off-topic] veeman:
It would just skip over because time doesn't actually exist. It's just something that humans created. You can measure time any way you wanted as long as it "progresses".

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[Off-topic] Deadly:
Now that's some sensible talk in this thread after sometime..

:thanks:

**Nothing is True... Everything is Permitted**

Muffins.. Yay, i want muffins!
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
If he believed that .99999999 of a day equaled one day since the beginning of the earth, then its around Christmas time for him.
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Ill just leave this here.

http://www.allaboutscience.org/theory-of-relativity.htm

Scroll down where they speak of time and acceleration.
[Off-topic] zeppelinrox:
ok so... .99999999 + .99999999 = 2... right?

/ducks
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Here is my conclusion. Does .99999999=1? It actually doesn't matter. Your life does not/will not depend on the fact that .999999=1/doesnt equal 1. In fact, you will never have a problem in your life where this fact matters. Nobody has ever/will never need the fact that .999999=1. It doesn't matter. Can zombies have sex? Who knows? Does it matter? Not at all. So be glad we can all live our lives without having to know useless facts like this. It is completely irrelevant to life.
[Off-topic] rovar:
Thanks Cpn. Killjoy.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Not quite.

.9999999999... + .9999999999... Gets infinitely close to 2.

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[Off-topic] zeppelinrox:
And yet the margin of "error" doubles :D
[Off-topic] veeman:
Yep, but it still gets infinitely close to two. Kinda crazy when you think about it.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
This thread is repeating infinitely now.

Anyone bring up zenos paradox yet?

To those who don't understand why .999999...=1, consider this.

To walk 100 miles you must walk halfway at 50. Then halfway to 75 than half way to 87.5 etc.

Notice that if you keep doing this you will never get to 100.

So to those who don't understand how limits work...then you must believe that you never arrive anywhere.
[Off-topic] Snargaflab:
Anyone who thinks .9 repeating isn't equal to 1 is wrong. Look it up. There is mathematical proof, and if you deny that, then there's no hope for you.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Yep. That's how my math teacher explained it to us.

---------- Post added at 11:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:16 PM ----------

There's lots of mathematical proofs for it. However some people just won't believe it. :/
[Off-topic] zeppelinrox:
Its reality vs practicality.

If they were really the same, there would be no such thing as .999999

But practically, they are.

So its just a matter of choosing reality or practicalty.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
What? Because .999999=1, then .999999 must not exist?

So if a=b...then b must not exist?

.999999... and 1 are merely representations of the same value.

Seriously guys....truthiness for the lose.
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Read this. It ain't some chunk of truthiness, its the whole banana buddy!"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999#section_2

Edit: Posted this before your edit, looks like we both agree.
[Off-topic] zeppelinrox:
a IS b is different from a=b

So you dont even know what I said
[Off-topic] finalhit:
you don't even know what you said.

http://www.mathwords.com/e/equation_rules.htm

let me rephrase this in your terms, your argument is:

if A is B, then B must not exist.

Realize that everything is itself. and if everything is itself, by your logic, itself must not exist..therefore nothing exists.

___

besides, the question was is .99999... = 1?

so this whole issue about a IS b and a=b being the same/different is irrelevant (and also wrong...but let's not get into that)

(a IS b) === (a=b)

if you're talking about "is a" and "has a", then sure, but (a is b) === (a=b)
[Off-topic] coincoin4ever:
0.99999.... = 1 is true

But 0.99999 = 1 is false.

You can prove that simply with series sorry

Edit: oh man sry didn't see the previous 20 pages I m not used to the app yet xd

I like the teacher example it is a very good illustration.

Arguing on the fact that (a IS b) is different from (a=b).... +1 finalhit

Don't write 0.9999 without dots it so not the same meaning. The dots imply the fact that there is a infinite notion. It is merely a bad representation.

We usually avoid that in maths...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
I first started this thread using collection from StatusBarMod14 Toggles With Quick Setting ... After people start requesting, I took this project on my own (with some help from Neectron & p3001ee), I started to understand the SystemUI and the layout for Status Bar.

So below are couple versions I modded - if you want something else let me know if I have time, I'll put them together for you.

NOTE: There are 15 options on the Toggle Menu - Picture below didn't show all of them !!!

(Shutdown, Reboot, Airline, Bluetooth, Brightness, GPS, Flashlight, Lockscreen, Data, Network, Orientation, Sync, Sound, Wifi, Screen Timeout)

*** RUN "QuickPanelSettings" in the "all apps menu" to control the layout ***

BugsFixed 12/11/12

Notification icon @ Expandable Bar is off center

At boot - "USB storage removed" & "ABCD....XYZ" message appear.

** Credit **

:

* Lidroid for his awesome smali script
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] fcb13:
For the lockscreen the music controlls arent fixed. Can you convert these two mods? One is AOSP statusbar and the other is a lockscreen music fix for the AOSP lockscreen. You cannot copy over the files from the S to the ION as the ability to access your external sd

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1724602

EDIT: Or possibly convert this one since it has both mods into one zip and aswell as a changed background for the settings.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1864109
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
Aosp status bar is listed above. The lock screen is related to framework-res.apk. which haven't work for the ION. I have to clarify, I known bit about coding but not anywhere close to be Mod/Dev. As I mentioned only collected that worked for our device.

Sent from my LT28at - ICS - Rooted and now deodex !
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] fcb13:
Yes I know the AOSP statusbar is there but I prefer the other one as it is more true to AOSP style. With the lockscreen you can PM the dev and asked what he changed in framework-res, and apply that to the ION
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] 0000alex0000:
thanx but is there a way to get it WITHOUT battery showing percentage?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
I edited so won't show the battery percentage !
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ganeshbiyer:
Status Bar Toggles with Quick Setting and Brightness Bar - Stock Battery %

Could you post one with ICS Battery with %?

And also the inactive icons are hardly visible.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
Will do ...
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ganeshbiyer:
Status Bar Toggles with Quick Setting and Brightness Bar - Stock Battery %

When I used the above mod on LT28i ICS, I lost the connectivity settings under Settings/Xperia/Connectivity/Usb Connection Mode. So, PC could not mount the drive and i could not access the internal and external sd cards.

Please use the files from my Deodex Zip for LT28i ICS , for mods for LT28i ICS.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
Updated in the OP - I don't think the file itself, but the system has a little glitch. I ran into it once, reboot solved it. I tested it out as you can see in the image (can't atttached anymore so have to be outside link for the image).
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] nammyczc:
circle mod works great, thanks for your hard work!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ganeshbiyer:
I like AOSP mod the most. Only thing missing is the Brightness bar.:D
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] powerdud:
Is there a way to use any of these and still keep the lte icon?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] jeriku:
You'll need a deodexed ATT fw and mod, or the gx systemui to get the Lte symbol back. Unless someone incorporates the LTE symbol in these mods.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] Auggy99:
+1

Sent from my Xperia GX
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] twent4:
would ROM Toolbox's icon changer work for this too?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] jeriku:
Maybe, but I personally wouldn't use that app. If you want the LTE symbol back just grab the GX systemui from that thread. It works great and you'll get stock toggles.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] powerdud:
The GX bar is my temporary solution but it is missing a couple of options that i usually use aka: brightness and gps toggles.

I am trying to learn how to mod one with all 15 toggles and add lte to it.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
I'm working on getting LTE signal bar with toggles. Having trouble recompiling. My mod files had error - I'm still learning so no ETA :D
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] AsakuraVN:
Anyone knows if there is a way to mod extended power-menu & phone call interface?

Its possible right?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] jeriku:
Are you starting with the 105 systemui pure trying to add to the existing mods?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ganeshbiyer:
Extended Power Menu requires modding of framework-res.apk.

At this moment, it is not easy to decompile and compile it. Lots of errors and if it compiles some how, the size is so less and it gives boot loops.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
Yeah - I decompiled systemui of the .105 AT&T. I was fine no error decompiling - after modding, compile gave bunch of errors @ public.xml. Could be that I don't know what I'm doing. I'm still new & learning.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] AsakuraVN:
How about the lockscreen? I really need to find a holo lockscreen that can be customized with 3 slots for shortcuts but I cant find it anywhere, most of them are just 2 default icons
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] jeriku:
You could also try the systemui from the GX dump. It has stock LTE symbol, but it also has stock notification toggles. Don't know if that makes it easier or harder.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
Well it wouldn't make any difference. Because it was me not knowing code (linux) ...lol ... Getting there though, a little less errors now - progressing I guess.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ganeshbiyer:
Why would you need Linux for modding?:confused:

I find windows gives much less error.

One big problem when we add new icons to res/drawable-xxxx, we need to add the reference in public.xml file.

For this we need to find the next available ref.no. Can't always go to end of drawable section and get the next ref.no.

One way is to copy the public.xml to another place and open it in Excel and sort on type + Id.

This way it is easier to find the next reference no.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
That's what I meant by linux coding - the number id in public.xml for "drawable". I did some research and found out those ID was overlapped, I manually guess what number next in order and search through out the file to make sure no repetitive (how do you paste to excel and sort on Type + ID ? - maybe I need a Excel course ...lol).

Anyway I was able to get on with this project while on vacation last couple days - without internet/phone signal suck big time:rolleyes: ... I am now ran into a little trouble with the array.xml - <reference-array name=...> wouldn't allow it to compile. I did changed to <array name=...> and alllowed to compile - but it doesn't ran correctly. Did extended research but couldn't find the answer yet, found a guy on XDA has similar problem PM him and awaiting for answer ... so stuck at the moment :confused:.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ganeshbiyer:
No Need to cut and paste. Just open .xml in excel.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
Cool - didn't realize you can open the file in excel :laugh:
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] icbless:
Hello. does this and soft key work together?

should be working right? as one mod the framework while the other mod systemUI.

because i have some problems here.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ganeshbiyer:
May be some resource strings have changed between lt28i .19 and the version you are using. Hence a different message, though there will be no problem with the shutdown function.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] icbless:
So which version should I use? And I am using .19. It works fine when I did not flash the soft key.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] ganeshbiyer:
I think I used the first LT28h ics firmware. need to make one for other Lt28's too.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
Haven't try with the soft key tweak - all the status bar tweaks worked fine withv lt28i 6.1.E.2.29. I'm using it right now stock battery 1% with brightness bar.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] to20:
You couldn't make option with a badge and big figures of percent near a battery badge, the code for an insert in the layout\status_bar.xml file is lower

<TextView android:layout_gravity="left|center" android:id="@id/battery_text" android:paddingLeft="4.0dip" android:layout_width="wrap_content" android:layout_height="wrap_content" android:text="@string/status_bar_settings_settings_button" android:singleLine="true" style="@style/StatusBarNotificationText" />

between lines

<include android:id="@id/signal_cluster" android:layout_width="wrap_content" android:layout_height="wrap_content" layout="@layout/signal_cluster_view" />

and

<ImageView android:id="@id/battery" android:paddingLeft="4.0dip" android:layout_width="wrap_content" android:layout_height="wrap_content" />
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
I'll give it a shot when time permited. Thanks.

PS: Did add the 'quote' but no percent words, just settings appear (pic below). I did checked LT30p SystemUI, haven't find the source yet. I'll do more research.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] buncit8:
is there "reboot option" in this status bar toggle?

update : after installed, yes there is reboot menu, thanks all..
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] bolochan:
Thanks for this. You can install this without cwm or a complete deodex. Just move the systemui apk and odex file away from the system app folder, copy in the new apk file and change the permissions. Install quicksettings, reboot and you're good to go.

Had anyone found a straits toggles with nfc?
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
AOSP Music Fix

Update - I'm still working to get the 4G icon back in the status with the toggle menu & brightness bar. I was working/learning by myself, the codding was beyond me and got stuck for a while. Luckly I am now getting help from another member - Hopefully I can get this iron out soon.

In the mean time - I did figure out how to fix the MUSIC Player with the AOSP Lockscreen. All you have to do is change the image size for 8 icons located in framework-res.apk /res/drawable-xhdpi - I had attached the icon here - Download, so you can edit the framework-res.apk yourself using Winrar or 7zip. You could also download the flashable version in the OP for LT28i_6.1.E.2.29 or here.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] NoobTW:
Works well on 28h_6.1.E.0.233, but not on 6.1.E.1.20
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
It should work, I used with.20 fw before. Which one did you try?

I'm thinking to re-do this thread (OP), when I get more time.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] NoobTW:
Statusbar toggle with circle battery percent

It works but the Stausbar message become wrong string,

Such as checking card become USB storage removed
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] finoqq84:
Request for the first time

Hi, i am currently using

Update Per Request Status Bar Toggles with Quick Setting and Brightness Bar - Stock Battery %

And i am really happy with it, but can i request to have the battery percentage BESIDE the batt icon (Jelly bean style) ?

And the rest remains the same. Thanks!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] un1:
Hi, is it possible to install one of the mods without deodexing?

I feel uncomfortable with it because it potentially makes my system slower...

I am esp. interested in the battery mod.

I have the 6.1.E.1.20 on LT28h. Rooted and CWM installed.

Thanks!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
That would be a NO - sorry it will not work without deodex. For the ION, deodex would not slow down your phone or way small that wouldn't be noticeable. I think that is the case for all the new devices.

In case you dont want deodex the whole system. You could try manually in /system/app re-name by adding .bak to SystemUI.apk and SystemUI.odex. Then copy both files quickpanelsettings.apk and SystemUI.apk. - set permission rw-r--r--

Try that see if it works. Otherwise reverse the steps to get back to original stage. Good luck!
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
Working on it - Still pulling my hair try to get that 4G on status bar. Either way will have update in couple days.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] NoobTW:
I tried this one on 6.1.E.1.20

Status Bar Toggles with Quick Setting - Circle Battery %

but I got some wrong statusbar message like this..(only statusbar, no usb)

It worked well on 6.1.E.0.233.
[Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion] accts:
After 2 months I finally learned how to put the 4G/4G LTE icons next to the signal bar. However it seem to only work with LT28at Framework. I have update others as well. I think I am confident enough now to take on request. Whenever I have time...I'll try my best to customize the way you wanted on your Status Bar.

OP updated !!!

Enjoy !!!