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[Off-topic] finalhit:
what?

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i'm not arguing that i can prove things that aren't true.

i'm saying that it is in fact true that .999...=1.

we're back to your recursive logic. You've assumed that i'm wrong, therefor i can't be right, no matter the amount of proof I present, i can't be right.

which of course, is invalid. You're merely restating your thesis, and jumping back to it as your conclusion, completely skiping the proof.
[Off-topic] Archer:
That's exactly what you're doing. You've read something that you believe, personally, to be "proof" and nothing anyone says can turn you from that. Fair play - that's faith in what you believe.

I just know For A Fact that it's wrong. We'll never agree so let's stop trying to make each other do that.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
it proves exactly that. it proves that 1 can be represented as the sum of an infinite series..namely

.9 + .09 + .009 ...
[Off-topic] prototype7:
Lol.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
it's not based on faith. it's based on the fact that i can walk 1 mile. math is not based on faith. Cmon, when you're so backed up to a corner that you're calling math is basically based on faith, i think it's time to concede.

can you please prove that .9999999... + (some small number) = 1?
[Off-topic] prototype7:
You're just repeating what you said before, and I gave a reason why that doesn't work which you didn't even try to disprove. This isn't going anywhere for either side, as I've said before :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] Archer:
Can you explain to me, in your own words (not a hyperlink) why they're the same?
[Off-topic] finalhit:
but you didn't refute it.

everytime you move, you a traversing a certain distance. in my example, the person isn't actually walking 0.9 mile, stopping, and moving .09 mile, stoping, and walking.

they are walking continuously as any person would walk. in fact, don't think about walking if that helps. the person is on a conveyor belt moving continuously. whether or not they're aware of it, in order to "move" 1 mile, they must move .9 mile, then .09 mile, then .009 mile, etc...intentionally or otherwise.

if you dissect a distance according to this perfectly valid partition, you'd think...hey, then moving from point A to B is actually impossible. but you know that's not true. eventually, you'll reach the end of the conveyor belt, and would have travelled 1 mile.

this is true for any distance D. In order to traverse the length of D, you must first traverse D9/10^1, then D9/10^2, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....ad infinitum, and at some point in the future, you will reach your destination.

Therefor, we must conclude that D9/10^1+D9/10^2+D9/10^3...=D

QED.
[Off-topic] 85gallon:
I will concede one thing.

0.9999999... rounded up=1
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Thing is, infinity does not exist, but in math, that's irrelevant. Infinite numbers serve a purpose, particularly in engineering. Whether you can have an infinite amount of apples is neither hear nor there, as far as mathematical proofs whether 0.9999... as it approaches infinity is equal to one. Since I realized this, I have a whole new view on the lonely number one. Further proof, the world is not black and white, and anything and everything you are 100% sure of, is not
[Off-topic] prototype7:
That's simply not true. You can add the .0009 and .00009 and so on as long as you want, but it just won't equal 1. In your example, the person walking would end up shuffling their feet forward in infinitely smaller increments, but since he is only ever going 1/9 of the remaining distance, he will never cross the line no matter how long he moves. Good night for real now, my phone's about to die :p:rolleyes:
[Off-topic] KidCarter93:
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That is all.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
yes, i know you can add .0009 and .00009 as long as you want and you will never reach 1, that's exactly my point. you shouldn't treat an infinite series that way you're treating it, because you will get the wrong answer. that's what you guys are doing. you know .9999... is an infinity series, but you're trying to treat it as though it's not.

you can't do .9999... + 0.0000...1 = 1, you can't do it. you shouldn't do it. it makes no sense to do it.

you're supposed to take the limit of the series as it approaches infinity. that's how you approach the problem, and in this case ,it leads to the conclusion that .999...=1.

you understand the paradox, but deny the necessary conclusion it points to. yes, my point was exactly to demonstrate to you that in this example, the person will never reach his destination. but you know that's not true, the person eventually does. the sum of an .9mi, and .09mi, and .009mi, and .0009mi ... eventually adds up to 1mi.
[Off-topic] KidCarter93:
And to those who have said infinity doesn't exist, you're wrong.

Of course it exists otherwise it wouldn't be called anything. After all, try naming something that doesn't exist - you can't do it.

Once you give something a name, it exists according to your mentality (at this point, whether it exists in real life or not is irrelevant).
[Off-topic] 85gallon:
Then tell me where the universe ends.
[Off-topic] prototype7:
I know I said I'd leave, but I just realized, your math is wayyyy off anyways. 1/9 is .1 repeating, not .9. 9/10 is the fraction you're looking for.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
umm, check who you're quoting.
[Off-topic] prototype7:
That's what I'm not understanding about your logic. You cannot approach infinity. The concept of infinity is that it is neverending. The series of .9+.09+.009 will never get to 1 because it will keep going forever and it just doesn't have an end. Going 9/10 of the remaining distance will not get you to the end, when you reach 1 mile, you've gone the entire remaining distance. 1, not .9999...

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I quoted myself just because I was thinking about that post. I said 1/9 because you did a page back. I can quote that too, one sec.

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[Off-topic] finalhit:
that's why we say the limit of the sum of the terms as it approches inifnity = blah. you don't actually add up the terms. you take the limit as it approches infinity. you do not add up the terms, you can't add up the terms.

zenos paradox is an artifact of our counting system. we came up with a counting system to count apples and oranges, not infinite series. and thus calculus. perhaps in some different planet where everyone had 9 fingers, and people ate time, perhaps they won't have to deal with anomalies such as .9999...=1, but alas, here we are.

taking the limit of a sum a series is just another mathematical operation, like addition and subtraction. it's not a magical faith-based belief that some lazy scientists came up with because they can't deal with infinity.

so what this thread is really about is the validity of taking Limits of an infinite series. Yes, it's valid. Very much so, and has been proven to be so.

Check out the history of zero.

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/about/zero.jsp

i'm sure there's a stone tablet somewhere with people ask "what the **** is this zero, and why can't I divide by it?"

_____

ooops, i mean 9/10 (as per the other time i mentioned it)
[Off-topic] 85gallon:
I was once saved by zero!
[Off-topic] Deadly:
Guys.. I have a doubt..

Why do we call "1" a "whole" number? And not a "0.99999999...." as a whole no.

A number which has a "." In it.. what do we call it? It has a fractional part right?

.9999999999999......

It has a "." In it and infinite numbers ahead.. but still its a fractional part..

1 on other hand.. is a whole no. Without fractional part.. so to conclude.. a no with fraction part can't be a whole number!!

Case closed.. thank you your honour..

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[Off-topic] Dankest:
And the holy war which had stopped but a moment ago, is once again set ablaze..

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[Off-topic] coincoin4ever:
0.99999 is a float number whereas 0.99999.... is not.

The thing is that 0.9999... is a bad representation so that is why there are so much misunderstandings.

If you can't believe it then take maths courses it is the basis...

You can't argue the fact that

This is a good representation of 0.99999999....

And infinity does exist. If you don't agree show me by counting the largest number possible before answering this thread... so many trollers here (I hope).

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[Off-topic] finalhit:
*le sigh*

3/3 has a "fractional part"

1 is a whole number

3/3 = 1

don't confuse equality with difference in representations.

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[Off-topic] veeman:
Limits. Limits. Limits!

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I posted that video a while back but everyone was like "TL;DW".

Hopefully they'll watch it this time.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
I had math that proved it wrong a while back in this thread. Go look at it.

Here was the post: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=31591909
[Off-topic] finalhit:
You know, Nobel prize gives away a million dollars to extraordinary achievements in math right.

You should publish you proof as to why limits are invalid and surely you'll win it.

Or you're wrong and everyone will laugh at you.

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Yea, after that last response, it seems like that one was just trolling
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Did you read the post at all? Or did you just deem it unworthy of your time? How about you read it before you declare it incorrect.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Your post proved that it does equal 1.

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[Off-topic] Ichigo:
I did?
[Off-topic] veeman:
Yeah, read your post again. Lol.

You posted that it doesn't equal one and then went ahead and proved that it does. xD

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[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Was it that second proof I quoted when I said "Also read this"?

I know the first quote proofed it didn't.
[Off-topic] veeman:
.9, .99999, and .99999999999 are all finite numbers. Of course they don't equal one. We're talking about an infinite geometric series.

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[Off-topic] finalhit:
Is this the post about dr math?

Because that proved .99...=1

I was confused why you posted that.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Yeah, but didn't it say no matter how many 9's you added, it'll never equal one. The error would get less each time though. So even with an infinite number of nine, it never equals one.
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
Prove it. Count to nine infinitely.

Staaaaaaaaarting now.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Man, I don't even know what I was thinking when I posted that stuff. I think I googled .99999=1 and copied the most advanced proofs, regardless what it actually proofed.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Done!
[Off-topic] veeman:
It says if you stop the expansion at any finite point, it will not equal one.

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[Off-topic] finalhit:
Oh it is. Yup.

Saying that .9=1has an error in it. Saying .99=1 has a smaller error and so forth.

Saying .9...=1 has an infinitely small error in it...so small it doesnt exist.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
So then how is any of this relevant. What on earth will ever contain an infinite number of 9's like this? At some point, it must stop. Nothing on earth continues infinitely.

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That's the thing. The error is so small, that it ALMOST doesn't exist. So we can say it equals one as nothing on earth is effected by an error that small. But there is still an error. Irrelevant to us, yes, but still there.
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
Human stupidity. If somebody can harness it as an energy source we'll be golden.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
Real numbers do.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
I'm not stupid. :(

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But then where does the fact that .99999... does or doesn't equal ever matter?
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
If you don't think human stupidity is infinite you are.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Oh, human stupidity is infinite. I thought you were talking about my post being stupid.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
Nope not almost.it does not exist. Not at all.

Please watch the video.

Real numbers are continuous. For .9...To not equal one...there must be a number that falls in between them. There isn't one.

There is a .1 error when someone says .9=1. What is the error wheb someone says .9...=1?
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
I know but the error continues to get smaller infinitely. Humans cannot comprehend infinity.
[Off-topic] veeman:
Oh you troll. :D :rolleyes:

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Which is why we were talking about limits...

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[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
I can. Looks like this but sideways.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
Yes we can.

You don't comprehend infinity.

Just give me one number between .9... and 1 and ill concede theres a difference between them.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
Hahahahaha
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
You think too highly of yourself.
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
I'd like to give you a finalhit with one of these
[Off-topic] Dankest:
Lol, but in reality infinity is only relative to time. If we could somehow find the end of the universe we would probably find there is nothing. It just ends. Such as .9999-repeating. Although there is no proof and there never will be this is my opinion of the matter. Philosophy+math=:what:

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[Off-topic] finalhit:
No I don't. I just understand calculus. You think so highly of yourself you think you've disproved limits.
[Off-topic] sniper:
1/3=.3333333333

2/3=.6666666666

1/3+2/3 = 1

1/3+2/3=.3333333333+.6666666666=1

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[Off-topic] a.cid:
Oh god, you're starting it again...

These guys just looked like they settled down...and my popcorn's over too :(:(
[Off-topic] sniper:
Haha, I have my morning (afternoon) cereal and am ready to watch the show :sly::)

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[Off-topic] a.cid:
Y u no understand, its 1.30am here!

As the minute hand approaches 31 mins, it comes infinitely close to 31 but it never actually reaches 31, but then some weird explanation happens and suddenly it jumps over to 31, coz if it doesn't, time would have been presumed to be stopped, but since this presumption is wrong as time waits for none lile we had studied in kindergarden or something, hence proving wrong that its 1.30am here...

:rolleyes:
[Off-topic] prepaidguy9081:
Even past the edge of the universe the multi verse continues hence so would infinity no? Or is time static in the multiverse? Wouldent that mean that all entities within the multiverse are finite and permenent?
[Off-topic] finalhit:
Nope
[Off-topic] Dankest:
Depends on what you believe to be part of the universe. A lot of people believe anti and dark matter are a part of the universe however if this were true the galaxy would be getting smaller,not expanding, but slowly contracting. According to scientists anti and dark matter make up roughly 2/3 of the universe so the galaxies(stars) could be a finite number depending on what you deem plausible and implausible in reference to the universe's expansion or contraction. I believe in dark and anti matter, I believe gravity would have a large part in the universe becoming smaller, so small that it will eventually create another big bang. Creating new universes.

I believe dark and anti matter slows time but does not make it static, it might seem static to us because it is so slow, this can be seen with black holes, the closer you get to the eye the slower time gets.

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[Off-topic] prepaidguy9081:
Why
[Off-topic] finalhit:
Because
[Off-topic] prepaidguy9081:
Gravity warps light

As you approach the speed of light time slows down. However time is relative to the speed you are traviling.

This has been proven by leaving one Higley accurate clock on the ground and having an identical clock in a very fast plane and flying around the planet. This lead to a descrepency although it be very small.

The reason time slows as you approce the event horizon of a black hole is the speed you are traviling increases. Gravity and or thrust can achieve this result. Tho the energy for both is astronomical. But the gravity itself dose not have a direct relation to my knowledge only a secondary relation.

But back to the point

If I contine to measure things in halfway from the point of origin to the endpoint. Then I never arive. Hence I keep traviling for infinity right. If I measure the trip from the orgian to the endpoint in real numbers like 10 steps and take ten steps I arive. So if .99999 repeating = 1 then both of those sequences would have the same result. However rationaly thinking I can take infinitly smaller steps and never arive (provided my feet were small enuff to pull this off)

Though I have heard weirder things like hisenburgs uncertainty principle.

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So you dont know why then? Prove me wrong. I love hearing opposing viewpoints. It helps one gain a fuller understanding
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Look thru his posts for this thread. He has repeatedly made some solid arguments that 0.9999...as it and only if, as it reaches infinity, is equal to 1. Whether infinity exists is a non issue when it comes to mathematical proofs. What's so hard to believe about that. 1/3 is 0.33333...till infinity, yet, there is denying the fact that 1/3 is equal to 0.33333...till infinity. A quick Google search will provide the proofs.

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.9999.html
[Off-topic] Dankest:
If acceleration is equivalent to gravitation, it follows that the predictions of special relativity must also be valid for very strong gravitational fields.

The curvature of spacetime by matter not only stretches or shrinks distances, depending on their direction with respect to the gravitational field, but also appears to slow down the flow of time.

This is called gravitational time dilation. such gravitational time dilation is tiny and hardly observable, but it can become significant when spacetime is curved by a massive object, such as a black hole.

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[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
Uhh guys...
[Off-topic] prepaidguy9081:
How that happen
[Off-topic] Dankest:
Take this calculator!

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[Off-topic] veeman:
I'm gone for a couple hours and suddenly everyone's talking about time and gravitational force. Dafuq?

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[Off-topic] slapshot30:
Prove YOUR case. Keep counting .999 repeating and let me know when you reach 1.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
IKR? I come back and see all this crap.
[Off-topic] finalhit:
Done. What now?
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Open your mind and read this

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.9999.html

This was posted earlier and it makes you think. 1/3=0.33333....till infinity. 2/3= 0.66666....till infinity. Add them, go ahead, what's that equal? That's right, 0.99999....till infinity, or 1
[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
Damn I just finished

I didn't get 1 WHAT NOW OP!

I got 2.718271728
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
The all knowing Ti-84?
[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
Thanks!

Yes

It knows more than TRM CTM and teejay combined

Although it is no match for archer or mtm
[Off-topic] slapshot30:
There is no "till infinity". Infinity is not some concrete number. You can not "reach" infinity. Many of you who think .999 repeating = 1 have a misunderstanding of what infinity is.
[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
Infinity is 1/0
[Off-topic] veeman:
Do you know what limits and infinite geometric series are?

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[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Did you click the link though?

Plus what about 1/3 + 2/3= 0.333333......+ 0.666666......?
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Hey guys. Pears equal apples. I have proof!
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
That's saying 3=4, which is false. Math is math, whether we believe it or not. Please read link

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.9999.html

I like this one to

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/55748.html
[Off-topic] shahrukhraza:
.999999999...... Is .99999999999999999999999999999999999999.......

1 is 1

.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999.......... Is NOT 1.

Simple enlighten

Enough?
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Read carefully

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/55748.html
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Actually its true. An apple is a fruit, a pear is a fruit. A fruit=a fruit, thus Apple=Pear

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[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
Its limit is 1, they are not equal. Graph Y=1/X and tell me when Y=0. Infinitely close to 0 so that it can be treated as such? Yes. Equal? No.

Similar concept.

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[Off-topic] Ichigo:
*Thanks*

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[Off-topic] -DarkKnight-:
'87 Camry = car

BMW = car

Camry = BMW ? NO
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
Actually its BMW=Object, '87 Camry=Object, object=object, Camry=BMW

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[Off-topic] zeppelinrox:
Kinda like this part?

1. It gets infinitely closer to 1 without ever actually "being 1".

Makes sense - a value, or the representation of a value, can't REALLY be 2 values.

2. Why bother assigning a value to .9999... that isn't .9999... ?
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Decimal notation is short for summation. So 0.9999.....= to 9/10+9/100+9/1000+9/10000+..... the only sensible value that can be assigned to it is 1. Like 0.3333......= 3/10+3/100+3/1000+3/10000....assigned value is 1/3. No one denied they one. 0.33333.....+0.66666.....= 0.99999..... which is equal to 1/3+2/3= 1. Simple as that.
[Off-topic] shahrukhraza:
TL;DR...
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
I'm well aware of the math involved. Re-read some of the better thought out counter points. Limit and equal aren't the same. Just close enough to treat the same.

Spamming the same link doesn't change anything.

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[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
Point taken, but what about 1/3= 0.333333..... is it this not true? Is 1/3 + 2/3 not equal 1?
[Off-topic] zeppelinrox:
From one of your links...

So... NO... 1/3 is not REALLY equal to .333... since it just keep getting closer to 1/3 without ever reaching 1/3...

hmm... that sounds kinda famigliar
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
Bill Clinton - "It depends on what your definition of is, is."

That, really, is the only point of disagreement here.

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[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
You didn't finish
[Off-topic] zeppelinrox:
And why is there a need for "arbitrariness"?

It's getting closer without ever being... which is my point
[Off-topic] LoopDoGG79:
I'm tired of trying. Everybody, believe what makes you happy. Just do this, anybody that is still going to high school or college, ask your math teacher. I'm rather curious what he/she might say.

Edit : Can't help my self!!

http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-friendly-chat-about-whether-0-999-1/

If not TL DR, it explains it quite clearly. Apparently it all depends how you look at the numbers.
[Off-topic] Deadly:
He said it doesn't reaches 1 :rolleyes:

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[Off-topic] finalhit:
And a troll is a troll...of course of course.

If you cant win an argument, you can always troll it right?

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Nope the point of disagreement here is whether or not we have future Nobel prize winners in our midst.

Seriously though to the geniuses who think they have invalidated limits. Please write the Nobel prize committee and claim your million dollars.