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[Asus Transformer TF700] buhohitr:
In order for a quick process of elimination, I recommend you should perform the following:

** Take a full nandroid backup using TWRP.

1. Not to use fsync or data2sd.

2. Reformat your SDcard (use TWRP and wipe everything, specially "Format SDcard", this should fix any internal corruption.

3. Install CROMI from scratch with no fsync, seeder or lagfix, and use stock kernel

See if reboot stills there or not.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Ahh, that makes sense since I did go into recovery in order to try wiping cache, dalvik cache and fixing permissions (some I generally do to start my troubleshooting process) - didn't realize that overwrote the last_kmsg log though! Thanks for clearing that up - I will remember that for future use).

Before I go to more drastic measures, I just removed some of the last few apps that I've installed (I installed about 5 or 6 wifi-detection-related apps) - so far, no more issues, but it's only been 8 hours of mostly non-use, so we'll see.... If that seems to clear up the problem, I'll post which apps I removed. I did not remove them one-by-one though so I couldn't pinpoint the exact culprit (I was in the middle of trying to work remotely using my TF700 with Jump Desktop, which was going great before the reboots). Jump Desktop is a great RDP/VNC app - I must say - worth every penny.

Anyway, I will be sure to report back - thanks for the replies guys - I appreciate it!
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
FYI - my reboots have not come back, so I have to assume that they were directly related to one of the wifi apps that I recently installed (and then un-installed).

If anyone is interested, I can figure out what apps they were that I removed and post a list here...

Thanks.
[Asus Transformer TF700] dmitryu:
I think it indeed might be the case that wifi has something to do with the problems. This aligns well with my experience of longest problem-free run of 2 weeks while I was travelling with limited wifi access. It might be just raw frequency/intensity of wifi usage, or some specific patterns which can be provoked by some application.

I tend to believe in the former, since I havent seen any correlations with actual applications.

While I'm home, days-to-failure distribution looks like exponential law more or less. Which suggests random & independent distribution of the triggering events. Poisson process :)

Btw, current statistics, now with histograms :)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtWC8vr3mCUJdDFiUnByT3Z0NlpCT0JrcVpLRHl2QVE&output=html
[Asus Transformer TF700] rivera151:
Hello. I also want to get to the bottom of this rebooting issue. I'll contribute something:

It is definitely not related to overloaded ram; I experienced a reboot 2 hours ago after spending about two days of consistently closing applications to avoid RAM overload. The machine rebooted with only Chrome open (2 tabs).

Immediately after the reboot, I had a notification from the XDA Developers app, so of course, I removed the app and I'll post here if I get another reboot.
[Asus Transformer TF700] mc_365:
Are you guys using "browser2ram" ?

I had a lot of reboots while browsing regardless of which browser.

After I installed "browser2ram" no more reboots so far for 2 weeks, and I really haven't cold booted to my recollection.
[Asus Transformer TF700] elfaure:
Yes this device is very very sensitive to wifi, bluetooth, glitchy network issues in general. I would have to say poor error trapping in the code is the issue. For example I was watching a movie the other night and decided to turn in. I tether this pad to my phone for internet access. As soon as I turned off my wifi (3g) hotspot on my phone (HTC DINC2), the movie stopped playing and the pad went to the home screen.

Another example is with bluetooth. Unfortunately I can't remember exactly what it was, but something to do with having my BT keyboard connected was causing some app some indigestion. I finally figured out that the problem only was occurring when my BT keyboard disconnected automatically after 10 minutes of non-use and it crashed the app. Oh! Now I remember, it was with My Backup Pro. I would start a backup, but it would never finish. Because I started it with the keyboard connected, and when it disconnected the backup just stopped. No error, no log, just quit. And it left and incomplete backup on my drive with no indication that it was incomplete. This was a hard one to diagnose.

I just discovered a glitch with brower2ram. Has to do with editing and selecting text in a text box, like an online form or a forum post. When I try to select text with the double-blue grab handles and drag the handles to back and forward select more/less of the text, it doesn't work. Sometimes it leaves a floating zoom window just stuck there. After some strategic troubleshooting i was able to disable browser2ram at startup and the problem went away.

Another glitch was BS and MX player both lost the left brightness control? I disabled a few startups related to screen (Backlight Switch, Screen Brightness Control) and the problem went away. I re-enabled the same apps and the problem did not come back until the next boot. I believe it has something to do not only with what startups, but also in WHAT ORDER are they loaded. Lots of little glitches to work thru with this device on the stock ROM, that is a fact. I believe that is the main reason so many non-proficient people go Apple over Android. Its more polished, more tested, and they work these things out at the factory not the street. I see Android like I see Windows. They both use the general population as beta testers for the most part.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
I'm sorry, but most of the "glitches" mentioned in the last post are app-specific issues that Asus and Google have no control of. You can't expect Asus or Google to be able to test every single app and combination of apps, especially once your root your device.

Besides, if you do a Google search for "ipad random reboot", you will see that Apple products experience some of the same issues...
[Asus Transformer TF700] elfaure:
No device is perfect including iPAD. But aren't most glitches app-specific? You don't just boot your OS and look at your homescreen do you? No, you get the apps that suit you and you run them. And only a fraction are made by Google and Asus only makes utilities for their devices, not apps for the open market. So what are you left with? 97 percent of the other apps on the market. So PLEASE don't go defending Android just because you are on a dev site for their OS when what you are saying has no merit. These are main stream top paid apps I listed that I've had issues with: My backup Pro, BS Player (Paid), MX Player Pro, and the infamous Browser2RAM which was developed specifically for the Transformer Prime mind you, which has an identical hardware platform as the Infinity less the CPU, and it still glitches.

I've had so many other glitches unlisted with this device I could scream, ES products as well. If you think Apple products are glitch-equivilent then you are fooling yourself in my opinion. I've had the same iPOD for 6 years and its reset itself once. Their devices are better made, better tested, have better market apps, and if you can give up expansion and customization which I can't, they are much less hassle to use on a daily basis. I don't necessarily believe they have better hardware as this device is quality hardware, fit, and form, but not function. Don't get me wrong, I dislike Apple and prefer Android, but at an added user frustration level I accept because I don't mind troubleshooting the problems and learning about the OS and the device. Its been kinda my new hobby lately but it ain't for most I would think. Android has come a long way since Froyo but its got a long way to go to match Apple reliability. I highly doubt they have users with so many varied cited problems.

---------- Post added at 11:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:16 PM ----------

Rooting my device has dramatically reduced the number of glitches I have, in no way increased them. Rooting has given me the rights by which I can remedy the problems native to the stock OS, mainly free RAM so apps can run clean.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
So how are problems of specific apps hat aren't written by Asus or Google the fault of Asus or Google? Since you just admitted that the glitches are app-specific, then those same issues could just as well be present on Apple devices as well (and they are - there have been studies that suggest apps crash more often on iOS than they do on Android).

My point is that these problem are not necessarily caused by Google or Asus, so you can't always blame the device that these apps run on, like you have done, by calling the TF700 "glitchy" because of these issues.

And I am defending Android simply because the problems that you mention are not due to Android - you are blaming the wrong "person" - it has nothing to do with the fast that I'm on an "dev site for their OS". The OS can't fix bugs in poorly written apps.

---------- Post added at 04:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:34 AM ----------

You can't compare the number of "glitches" with a full-blown tablet with those of an iPod! Of course there are going to be more problems with a tablet - it's much more complex and runs apps written by others! That is a silly argument at best.

Oh, and you forgot one other attribute of an Apple device - they are much more expensive!

I "started" my phone/tablet/device addiction as an Apple fan - in fact I still have an iPad 1. Then I learned when the true value is - Android. It's more powerful, more open and less expensive than the competition.

I'm not going to continue an Apple vs. Android discussion, but some of your points just had to be addressed....
[Asus Transformer TF700] elfaure:
I appreciate your feedback but I'm not going to pull teeth with you over this as we obviously disagree as to why these glitches occur on the device. Although they are app-specific as I admit they are also OS interactive and this is where the glitches occur and the root of the problem lies - IO and data exchange between the app and the OS (and the hardware platform). Both need to work and INTERACT correctly for glitch-free operation. So you could also view them as OS or firmware-specific. For example if you have a glitch that goes away when you upgrade (or downgrade) your firmware, how can you call this an exclusive app-related glitch when it was resolved by changing the OS that fixed the problem? Or what if the glitch was resolved by a change in the apps code, then would this be considered exclusively app-specific? Maybe on the cover, but if that same unchanged app were to run glitch-free on a different firmware then I would say NO. Glitches are multifaceted and involve both the app and the OS in general, and both are culprits in resolving the problem.

In closing, I forgot to note that my iPOD is my only apple device. I agree there's no comparison in complexity between an M4A player and a phone or tablet.

I completely agree that low RAM is the root cause of most glitches on this device.

Setting "Force GPU rendering" in Settings>Developer Options has solved my random rebooting problem (for the time being).
[Asus Transformer TF700] new_convert:
I have it too!

I have random boots once a day. It is odd that it doesnt happen more but I may go a couple of days without them. I am currently on CleanRom 3.4.4. Odex.

I used to be on CM10.1 but did not stay long enough with it to see if it happens with CM10.1 too.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Have you ever run the stock firmware long enough to see if the reboots happened while 100% stock? At this point, just trying to narrow down the possible causes of random reboots. I guess I'm asking if you always had random reboot issues or was the tablet reboot-free at any point... Random reboots could be caused by a hardware or a software problem.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
You should not be getting any random reboots on CROMI. I don't. I'm guessing it is software related first. Worth doing a clean install with no apps installed just to test it out?
[Asus Transformer TF700] mc_365:
I'm not a developer, but just by deduction and general experience with other hardware (PC, phones android and winmoble, gaming consoles, mp3 players, PDAs), I've never had such a disappointment. I've been building PC's since 1992, I've compiled Xbox Media Center to run on the original xbox in 2003, I took a few courses in college (90's) in C++, compiled rockbox and flashed to ipods, run custom firmwares on my routers, run custom software on my nas, run a hacked apple TV and a bunch of other hobby tech stuff. But this tablet I refuse to unlock simply because I feel it is effectively defective, I mean the out of box experience is just lousy, random reboots, browser not responding, lockups, sluggishness etc, I feel like the tablet may just giveout or break. Jelly Bean fixed some of those things but I would never recommend this tablet to anyone. Just being Honest.

Saying it's app specific is to me nonsense since many people here have the same problems running pure stock, and most here run apps that are well developed and tested and recommended by others in these forums which I consider the most knowledgeable collection of geeks on the web.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
Well I'm talking about CROMI but yes it applies to stock as well I suppose. Android tablets don't run windows os. They can reboot when software apps don't play nice. Having said that I have never had mine reboot or lockup once. Never.
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
...which always indicates a bug in the OS.

Wow. I have about one random reboot or lockup per week.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
Wow. Maybe I just don't tax mine enough..... I've had plenty of bootloops via dodgy flashes though :laugh:
[Asus Transformer TF700] MartyHulskemper:
I sometimes have them, but the issue has always been resolved by wiping data/factory-resetting, so I'd wager it is triggered by some specific app. I subsequently return to a sort-of-standard setup, and that's fine until I install some other app that screws it up again. Rinse, repeat. ;)

I've noticed the last time I encountered fairly frequent spontaneous reboots, they seem to have been triggered by me having edited the keyboard layout (lock key edited to DEL key, reboot when pressed <?!> ).

TL;DR: in my specific case, it's probably user- or app-related.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Just to be clear - I would completely agree that random reboots (specifically) are a result of the OS not handling poorly writen apps very well, so they would usually boil down to a problem with the OS.

When I was talking about "apps are to blame" - I was referring to some of the specific application bugs the one poster mentioned. He was referring to "glitches" in Browser2RAM, ES apps, BS player, MX player, etc and the whole time blaming Android (or ever worse, the TF700) for those bugs. You simply can't blame the OS for app-specific bugs, period.

Just wanted to clear that up! :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] dmitryu:
Yeah, unfortunately people tend to mix application-level issues (some app not responding/force closing etc.) and kernel/driver level things (complete freeze of the device or reboot). For the latter the manufacturer/supplier of the device+OS should be sued (assuming it's stock unmodified of course), unfortunately I guess this never happens in this world.

Yesterday I had a rare event -- "sleep of death", i.e., not able to turn the power on.

Here is the ending of proc/last_kmsg I saw after that -- judging by "released KEY_POWER" event the unit was conscious at the time of my trying to wake it, it did not wake up for some reason though. Any comments/idea on this piece of log (or should I assume any interesting part at end had been lost)?

[12856.508933] late_resume: call handlers

[12856.509063] elan-ktf3k 1-0010: [elan] elan_ktf3k_ts_resume: enter

[12856.509760] elan-ktf3k 1-0010: [elan] dump repsponse: 58

[12856.513876] gpio_keys: Released KEY_POWER

[12856.524022] kxtf9: ON +

[12856.552297] asuspec: [asuspec_work_function] 0x2 0x81 0x50 0xff

[12856.552396] asuspec: [asuspec_smi] ASUSPEC_SMI_HANDSHAKING

[12856.574052] kxtf9: ON -

[12856.693823] cpu_up(1)+

[12856.722187] Disp: diff_msec= 1638237

[12856.722245] Check cardhu_panel_enable

[12856.722297] Check panel is panasonic

[12856.745956] CPU1: Booted secondary processor

[12856.746926] tegra_cpu_init : emc_clk->min_rate to 204M

[12856.747291] cpu_up(1)-

[12856.753299] Switched to NOHz mode on CPU #1

[12856.756324] pad_get_psp val->intval=Not charging ret=c0

[12856.763824] Check power on/off for bridge IC

[12856.766265] [DHD] Wi-Fi late-resume+

[12856.770634] pad_get_psp voltage_now =8002

[12856.773679] [DHD] Wi-Fi late-resume-

[12856.775358] pad_get_capacity val->intval=85 ret=84

[12856.780078] pad_get_psp batttery temperature=240

[12856.789176] pad_get_capacity val->intval=85 ret=84

[12856.793895] cpu_up(2)+

2050 Corrected bytes, 0 unrecoverable blocks

Current statistics: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtWC8vr3mCUJdDFiUnByT3Z0NlpCT0JrcVpLRHl2QVE&output=html
[Asus Transformer TF700] elfaure:
Like I said, and I hate saying it, but Apple iPad is FAR more stable than this device. There is NO EXCUSE for an out-of-the-box experience like this user had. Absolutely unacceptable. There should be a class action law suit filed regarding issues like this! Yeah, 2 data points certainly does not constitute a normal distribution and has no statistical significance, but there are countless reports like this one that imply this device is somehow DEFECTIVE.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ljg600:
Funny. Reading this chain of messages (and I appreciate the honest, factual and detailed responses)- one would think the TF700 experience is inherently defective by design. However, I can confidently say it is not. However, I can say the following:

(1) The Android OS, Android applications and hardware are far from bullet proof. A specific implementation of for example, an application, OS version and even piece of hardware can result in spontaneous reboots at the app or even OS level. And despite Android's sometimes vaunted memory management- certain apps can linger as active or in the background well after they are needed.

(2) Despite the above, I have found the TF700 to be a stable, innovative and well implemented device. It offers satisfactory, but less than overwhelming performance. It is not a device I would load down with apps. It has also forced me to be discriminating in which built-in apps I disable and which apps I add. For example, Facebook is a poorly designed app and a resource hog- I avoid it. However, Boat Browser is very effective at managing memory- and set to clear cache on exit and cache to the SD Card-offers relatively lag free performance. It has been helpful to disable any of the unneeded built in apps- since they do drag down performance. An occasional cold reboot can be helpful. Eliminating as a many apps as possible with advertisements- can also make a difference. For any android device- CPU hogging screen savers are not the greatest idea.

(3) The TF700 is a fairly early concept hybrid device - part tablet, part netbook. Like any device it has tradeoffs- but appears better than for example, a Microsoft Surface RT and much more versatile than the faster Nexus 10 when used with or without the keyboard- but especially with the Asus keyboard.

Sorry, but I no way buy into the notion of defective by design. However, the Android ecosystem- like any OS platform has it's issues. Remember Vista? And then of course there is Windows 8 :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
I must ask - if you are so disappointed with this device, then why do you still use it? If I bought a device that was so bad that I had to think about "class action lawsuits", I certainly wouldn't keep the device!

Truth is, all devices have shortcomings. The shortcomings of the TF700 are very manageable, especially considering the advantages of the device.

But again, I have to ask, why haven't you returned or sold your TF700 yet if it is really so awful?
[Asus Transformer TF700] dmitryu:
If a specific OS version or piece of hardware can result in spontaneous reboots -- then this sounds to me exactly like definition of "inherently defective" device indeed, either by design of manufacturing.

Again, I do not have much experience with 4.* androids, but my 2.7 phone did not do "spontaneous reboots", ever...

What's more interesting though is apparently there are quite a few people out there who have not experienced this issue with TF700 as well. And even I had a period of glitch-free life for 2 weeks, which clearly falls out from the rest of statistics.

That is what really weird from my point of view :)

My current TF700 statistics: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtWC8vr3mCUJdDFiUnByT3Z0NlpCT0JrcVpLRHl2QVE&output=html
[Asus Transformer TF700] echardcore:
well I know if I post this it's going to happen but I like pain

Haven't rebooted in 11 days since I updated OTA Official. I have been gaming, email, youtube, mostly browsing and posting, etc. Tonight I felt it get slightly warm but not hot while browsing a Yuku forum. The browser got slightly delayed for a few seconds and I thought it was going to reboot but it didn't. Overall it has been running very smoothly. I have even streamed my cable TV with my ancient Sony's version of Slingbox box and it worked flawlessly.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Glad that things seem to be going better for you. I had a similar experience recently - having owned the TF700 since release, I've never had a single random reboot or sleep of death. Then a week or so ago, I installed about 5 wifi utility apps. All of the sudden I had 3 or 4 random reboots (within hours). Uninstalled those wifi utility apps and I haven't had an issue again.

It seems that there are some apps (or combination of apps) that seem to produce these reboots... Android shouldn't allow this happen - it seems it should be a little more tolerable to these apps...

By the way, I also use 1Tap Quick Bar (mainly for access to "floating" apps from anywhere), so I don't think that alone is to blame - but then again, it could be conspiring with some other app/config in certain instances - who knows!

I'd be interested to hear how things go for you - please keep us updated.
[Asus Transformer TF700] echardcore:
Yes will do. I failed to mention that I use Facebook and Twitter a lot. I remember reading that users agree that the Facebook app is garbage.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Majesty00:
Hello,

I've been the owner of a TF700T for a while now and I've suffered from random reboots ever since (I'm rooted, but on stock ROM). Most of my reboots happens when the tablet is either on it's dock and being charged or simply being charged (without the dock). I've tried to wipe my tablet, didn't do much.

Reading these posts gave me an idea. What if it was the WiFi? I've been disabling my WiFi (before putting the TF700T to charge) for some days now and I haven't rebooted ever since.

I really doubt what I'm about to say, but hey, who knows! Maybe some configuration on my WiFi makes it reboot (WRT160n running DD-WRT? MAC address filtering?) Or is my tablet's WiFi defective and needs to be RMAd to Asus?

Just my 2 cents (and inputs are welcome!!)
[Asus Transformer TF700] echardcore:
A few people in this thread believe the same. I myself also have a Linksys (WRT542) running DD-WRT with MAC filtering for security. If I have another reboot, I might look into my troubleshooting options with the router.