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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MMcCraryNJ:
See, this is the uninformed Verizon bashing that I'm getting a bit tired of myself.

Firstly, a leaked, official Google build of 4.1.1 with a *newer* build number than both the GSM Nexus and the Nexus 7 leaked a few weeks ago for the LTE Nexus. It was pushed to testing devices. So yes, Verizon IS testing the update as we speak, and have been for awhile.

Secondly, with the Nexus, it's not Verizon's role to care or not to care about updating it. They don't make the decisions regarding building the update. Google does. Google sends them the complete update for testing, and when Verizon gives the thumbs up, Google then sends out the OTA themselves. That is Verizon's sole role, to test and make sure whatever update is being sent out works well on their network.

Thirdly, Verizon's approval process for all OTA updates is very stringent and takes them awhile. This is the same with ALL devices, not just the Nexus. Cries of "they just don't care about such and such a phone" are unfounded nonsense that people regurgitate from even more uninformed blogs looking for ad-clicks.

I'm not saying you're not allowed to have your own opinions on the matter, but please try to be a little more informed about them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I know how Verizon update process works. They can withhold an update for whatever reason they want to. They are a closed system, CDMA LTE carrier locked. They can withhold for the mere reason that want you to buy a new phone. They do it all the time. There could be absolutely nothing wrong with Googles build, but they tell people there is so they don't run into legal troubles.

Carriers are shady and not trustworthy. They will do anything to fool you. Its Verizons fault that their phones don't receive updates. It happened to every single android phone i had on verizon. There is a reason why carrier unlocked phones straight from the manufacturer or Google get updates well before carrier devices.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyhook:
I have Verizon and I don't think the extra wait is unreasonable. If it comes out in the next couple months I think that is perfectly fine. It's a little slower than sprint but not by a lot. People just have these instant gratification expectations that aren't based on facts. Truth is nobody knows how Verizon works internally, all of this is guessing and venting.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jubomime:
Its funny cause they do. That's why it isn't a true nexus device.

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They already have your gnex money. They don't want an update to jellybean compromising your willingness to shell out another 300 on iPhone 5.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ryan stewart:
Well seeing as how Verizon stripped Wallet and added their Verizon bloat to it at launch one might guess that Google wasnt doing both of those things, so Id put 100% of the blame on Verizon until they prove otherwise.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] h_10:
actually they would rather you didn't upgrade your phone as they have to subsidize the difference between what you pay and the cost of the phone. specific to iphones, they have to shell out more money than on other phones. this has an even greater negative impact to their bottom line. it's not coincidence that they try to steer customers away from iphones.

they want you to stay with your existing phone for as long as possible before you upgrade. why did you think they extended the time it takes for you to be eligible for upgrades? upgrading costs them money. your staying with the existing phone doesn't.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sarkozy:
Some of the responses in here are laughable. My guess is most have no clue how QC works at a company as large as Verizon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
You may not think it is unreasonable, but to the people that purchased a Nexus device for the sole purpose of it being directly supported by Google should. Sure, everyone says to root it and put Jellybean on it. Thats great guys, but guess what? That other guy with the Droid X847 RAZR BOLT HD can do the same thing. You know damn well that is not why you bought a Nexus. It will be disgusting when a phone that is not a Nexus device (probably SGSIII) gets official Jellybean before the Verizon "Nexus".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Well it's still supported by Google, Verizon slowly testing updates doesn't change that. Anyone who purchased a CDMA Nexus and expected updates as quickly as the GSM version was kidding themselves. The Verizon model will get all the updates the GSM version does and unlike other Verizon phones it will be true aosp minus the Verizon proprietary stuff.

Most people purchased the Nexus because it's root and rom friendly, I am not one of those people. So, I have to wait a little while longer for updates. I knew that back in January when I purchased this phone and I know it now. I hate their updates (and have voiced my disgust) but I love their coverage. Verizon users should decide what they prioritize more.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Verizon coverage is pretty good, but Straight Talk with At&t's network is more than decent. The coverage is almost the same in my area, and I can use carrier unlocked phones and bypass all the carrier BS. Check the coverage out here opensignalmaps.com
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Had AT&T for 7 years prior to Verizon. Where I live, work and play there is no comparison. YMMV.

That doesn't excuse their slow update process but that's why I'm still hanging on to my ICS Nexus. The update will come when it comes.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I guess it does depend on where you are. But one thing I know is after being with Verizon for over 9 years, I am never going back to that BS again. The prices and contract alone are enough to keep me away. I would rather use a tin can and string than pay $90+ for smartphone service.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
I guess it does. Everyone's situation is different.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] norm12:
After 10 years with Sprint I'm thrilled to have verizon. Yes, the updates have been slow, but the new radios and CM10 are fantastic-I bought this with the full intention of rooting it and an satisfied. It is an expensive plan for service, but the coverage here (mass.) doesn't compare.

Sent by Logo the turtle
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] alarson83:
That assumes they actually subsidize it as much as they claim to.

$600 for a galaxy nexus from verizon, $300 elsewhere. What a load of bull. They aren't subsidizing, theyre just saying they won't rape you on the phone price if you re-up with them... when really they shouldn't be raping you to begin with.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
This, this, this, this, this and.....this.

I have no idea why people spread the same FUD over and over again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oldblue910:
At least we haven't seen the classic "The Verizon Gnex is no longer supported!!" crap thus far! :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] strumcat:
Lovin' my GSM gnex with its particular set of advantages, and hoping Verizon users are doing the same. I wouldn't mind having 32GB and 20 mbps download rate, but glad I have timely updates, carrier freedom, and a bit more battery. Different strokes for different folks. As for the email in the OP, just typical blarney you get from any big corporation. Still, waiting can be frustrating, and I hope the updates don't take too much longer for VZW users.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
I'm so ready for my contract to be done with them so I can leave them behind.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
The absolute only reason to ever be on Verizon is if you have no other option. Their prices are ridiculous, their phone selection is horrible, and it is CDMA. I really hope the Verizon SGSIII gets jellybean first...because what will the excuses be then?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TiltedAz:
You're not even close. You get what you pay for. As you already know, there's plenty of crappy provider options if you want to save money.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I'm paying about 40 dollars per month less than when I was on Verizon, I have a good phone, I have a good carrier with great coverage, I am not bound by contract and I get updates immediately

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MMcCraryNJ:
Basically what this boils down to is people's level of impatience. That's all. No more or no less.

People want things yesterday. In fact I saw a cute thread in the Nexus 7 forums complaining that Google has already "given up on" and "ceased supporting" the Nexus 7 because they haven't yet released a huge bug fixer update.

That device isn't even a full 2 months old yet. It's crazy.

And then people make up these out-of-nowhere theories to try and support their claims. "Verizon would rather push and update their bloatware-laden RAZR phones instead" "Verizon doesn't care about the Nexus" "They are purposefully dragging their heels because they like to make us wait"

Honestly, you guys really need to understand how ridiculous some of you sound.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] markcyst:
And you're saying cdma is inferior? Please, tell me why.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] luckylui:
CDMA is dying out. LTE is GSM. GSM will always be on top. Its a World System. CDMA is US Only.

#Galaxy Nexus HSPA+
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] northendtrooper:
cash aInfeak

One of many reasons why I don't trust Verizon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] luckylui:
Any big developing co like Google . Will always start with building GSM first, why? Because it easier to build. The framework in GSM is easy compared to CDMA. The framework w CDMA has to work with 2 radios CDMA for 3G and LTE for 4G. GSM only has one. Thus, that was the reason why.. Google stopped dev work for awhile with CDMA.. too much bs for a dying breed.

#Galaxy Nexus HSPA+

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I replaced 5 Gnex with Vzw.. I have only one GSM Gnex and its in perfect condition that I have it bubble wrapped. Lol

#Galaxy Nexus HSPA+
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tgyberg:
Oh yea, vzw is all over updated the razr. It only took them 9 months to get the ICS OTA out.. Doesn't sound very quick to me!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] luckylui:
Tell me VZW isn't raping you guys. I pay 125.00 w T-Mobile for 2 lines. Both lines Unlimited EVERYTHING. When w Vzw I was at almost 200!? And that share everything... bahaha what a joke.

#Galaxy Nexus HSPA+
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Some of us don't care which service costs less, some of us have requirements to do real life stuff and Verizon fits that need best, for us. You clearly have a GSM Nexus, we are VERY happy for you.

Every few weeks the GSM vs CDMA superiority war pops back up. Give.....it...a....rest.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MMcCraryNJ:
I was with T-Mobile since 2002 when they became T-Mobile after the VoiceStream buyout. I lived in the Northeast at the time.

Outside of slower internet compared to everyone else, I had no complaints with the service.

Then I moved to the Atlanta area last summer. And my service did a complete 180. My download speeds never went above 1 mbps. I would constantly drop, or never even receive calls. Texts and MMS messages would have a hard time sending. I would get a voicemail and not get the notification for several days, or not get one at all. Keep in mind I'm in a MAJOR metropolitan area.

At first I thought it was the phone. I went back up north for a week to visit friends and my service returned to normal. Came back home and same ****ty service. And I know I'm not alone. T-Mobile USA has been bleeding customers for the last several years due to poor service and even poorer customer service. Their plan to get purchased by ATT was supposed to be their way out. DT in Germany (T-Mobile's parent company) does NOT want to do business in the US any longer.

Bottom line is, you get what you pay for. No cell network is perfect, however if you pay attention, you'll see that Verizon adds or expands LTE coverage in about 10-15 different markets every few weeks. T-Mobile hasn't even BEGUN building out their LTE network. They figured they would just be bought out anyway, so why do it? Now they're rushing to remain competitive, and failing.

I pay about 30 dollars more/month than you do for 2-lines with the exact same service, minus the unlimited data but my data cap has never been an issue. I have LTE speeds and I never drop or miss calls/texts/voicemails, my service doesn't randomly slow down to a crawl, and most places in the US I would travel to has amazing service as well.

To each their own, but don't think you're somehow better than everyone else because you went with an inferior carrier to save a few bucks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] imnuts:
CDMA is used a lot of places besides the US, just that no where major that you hear about it.

Also, I think it's funny that any time you complain to VZW about updates, the response is always that the OEM/Google is responsible. You can even tell the explicitly that you know they have the software, but it is always someone else's fault. I'm sure people wouldn't care as much about their CS line if they just owned up and said "We have an update in testing and it will be released when the test cycle is complete". Instead, it's always "Oh, Samsung never sent us the update, so complain to them" or something similar.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] norm12:
Verizon coverage is far superior in my neck of the woods (mass). From my friends and coworkers on tmo and att I have no doubt im with the right carrier. They drop calls, I don't. They wait and watch pages load--I have 4g wherever I am and inside of buildings. Yeah, it costs more and updates aren't that fast, but I make more than enough money and I will always root/rom if I want a new feature that verizon can't get to me fast enough. On top of that, their customer service has been amazing, especially compared to the nightmare that is sprint cs

Sent by Logo the turtle
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
Carrier superiority is subjective on where you live.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] norm12:
I agree wholeheartedly. Anything but verizon makes no sense for me. I get that some people love their cheap gsm pay as you go plan and that's great. It doesn't work for me where I live.

Sent by Logo the turtle
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
And that is what I meant. If you have absolutely no choice, then it is a no brainer. But if you are in an area where T-mobile, AT&T and Verizon all work great, I just don't feel like Verizon is the best choice. I pay $90 a month for 2 lines. 700 minutes each (I never go over 100), unlimited texts and 2GB of data. I am on Wi-fi all of the time. I have NO cell reception at all at work, and that has nothing to do with the carrier. So it just makes no sense for me to pay $100 more to get 10 mbs more for my drive to work.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
That's awesome. Last month I used 15GB of data with tethering and was never throttled. I'm not saying Verizon is superior overall but it is for my needs. Even if Tmobile gave great reception in my area, which it doesn't, it still isn't up to the task for my needs. At&t is the only carrier that comes close for a power user like myself.

Bottom line, we're all different. People should stop waving cheaper options in our faces. We know they exist.

Verizon users: stop moaning about updates, they'll come when they come. Otherwise be prepared for the GSM/you should root your phone onslaught.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Pierceye:
We were with Sprint for 6 years. Their coverage down in Florida was adequate, but up here in the mountains of VA their network was a joke. When Verizon opened up their Share Everything plans, it just didn't make sense to keep putting up with the dropped calls and data speeds that Never reached above 1 Mbs. What use is unlimited data if you can barely get email? We're paying $10 more a month but have 4G and reliable service.

That being said, I am pretty disappointed with Big Red and the update schedule for the Nexus. I'm wondering why they would choose to sell a Nexus device but fail so dramatically to support it with timely updates. With any other device, fine, it's their network and they do have a right to ensure that things are going to be as error free as possible. But the Nexus is THE device. There's no OEM crap on it, there's no Skin. Nada. This is what all current Android development is being done on. I understand that there are some differences between the GSM and CDMA versions, but a 2 months and counting difference? I call BS on this one. There is an ulterior motive at work. I can't believe that Verizon is employing engineers incompetent enough to take that long to test an update and approve it.

My own speculation is pretty simple. The price point on the Nexus has been dropping pretty steadily, at least for subsidized devices, meaning a lower and lower profit margin. With newer devices coming out and having a better margin, it makes sense to lure customers towards them with a newer OS. Why would someone want to spend 2-300 dollars on a phone with only minimal improvements in hardware when they could have the Nexus for 50-100 bucks? Because the newer phone will also be packing the newest OS.

I don't think Google would benefit much from being a harda$$ with every Android phone on every carrier, but I do think that they should be taking better care of the Nexus name. Mostly by demanding that any carrier selling a Nexus is also assuming responsibility for providing updates (or carrier approval) in a timely fashion, or showing demonstrable evidence why they are not. Allowing a carrier to muddy the Nexus name for the sake of a couple of extra bucks on their bottom line seems like bad business practice on Google's part to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mbrown3460:
:good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Its not funny that Verizon holds up the updates.

So yeah, I am blaming them and so should you.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
So that explains why AOSP manages to release both at the same time.

Oh wait...

If it can be managed for AOSP, then its not a lack of skill or difficulty building for CDMA.

Also...stop spreading rubbish that Google stopped development for CDMA. Absolutely ridiculous and false.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
I answered your thread in General
[General Questions and Answers] CR4ZY TACO:
Sorry i'm kind of new to this but anyways, i was downloading the chainfire 3D app with my galaxy nexus running official JB but i got stuck once i installed the drivers. I can't get passed the google logo . i know somewhere it has said that if i install another ROM it will solve the issue , but my computer won't even detect my GN I will only hear the little "da dun" sound when I plug it in. Is there anything I can do to fix this or am I just stuck like this? thank you
[General Questions and Answers] h_azza91:
Can help you fix your GNex

Do you still have the phone? I can help you flash it and install android 4.0.1 or 4.1.1
[General Questions and Answers] suprakarma:
Do you have a nandroid backup? , Do you have a ROM downloaded to your sd card? And if you have a custom recovery already installed, vol up+vol down+power combo will reboot on fastboot mode, then you can either use the toolkit or boot to recovery
[General Questions and Answers] jrs007:
Galaxy Nexus ToolKit is the solution

research it here on xda

:good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DwanEllington:
Just had this exchange. Thought it was funny.

Please wait for a Samsung Agent to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Stewart'. There will be a brief survey at the end of our chat to share feedback on my performance today.

Your Issue ID for this chat is LTK56401640305X

Stewart: Hi, thank you for contacting Samsung Technical Support. How may I help you today?

Visitor: When will sghi717 get jelly bean?

Stewart: I understand that you want to know the release of Jelly bean update on your Note. Is that correct?

Visitor: Yes

Stewart: Thank you.

Stewart: As of now there are no releasing updates for the update of Jelly bean on the model you are referring.

Stewart: Once there is any update , you will receive the notification on your phone.

Visitor: Guh....

Visitor: Well poop.

Stewart: Thank you.

Stewart: Is there anything else that I can assist you with?

Visitor: What about your phone? Does it have the update?

Stewart: No, I am sorry I do not have a Smart phone.

Visitor: Why not? If you did, what would it be?

Stewart: I am sorry, if there is any update I would have updated it .

Visitor: What phones by Samsung in the us have the update?

Stewart: Nexus(Gt-i9020) and SPH-L700 has the Jelly bean update.

Visitor: What is the L700?

Stewart: It is a Galaxy Nexus from Sprint.

Visitor: Ahh

Stewart: Do you have any questions for me?

Visitor: Nothing for At&t are they the red headed step child?

Stewart: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.

Visitor: OK

Stewart: I would have surely provide you the information if we had . We in chat support provide only troubleshooting steps for phone issues.

Visitor: You know, o.e time I tried to update my phone via Kies and it bricked it. I had to root it to fix it.

Visitor: *one

Stewart: I am sorry to say you this, the warranty will be void if you root the device.

Visitor: That program sucks! Why do

Stewart: I am providing you the information that we have.

Visitor: Samsung tech support people not just use Odin?

Visitor: Its a much lit

Stewart: I apologize for the inconvenience.

Visitor: lighter program

Visitor: None of this sync business

Visitor: Does your phone have the update?

Stewart: No, it is a feature phone.

Visitor: That sucks. Android is the way of the future.

Visitor: Maybe I can send you my old one.

Visitor: You can see what you're missing.

Visitor: Wait. I figured it out. You sue an iPhone!

Visitor: *use

Visitor: That device is inferior!

Visitor: I broke an iPhone once.

Stewart: I am sorry to hear that.

Visitor: On purpose!

Visitor: I hate those hipster devices!

Stewart: I understand your concern.

Visitor: Wanna be techies!

Visitor: What a bunch of vegan, tree hugging, fixed gear bike riding losers!

Stewart: Please let me know if there are any technical query regarding your Note.

Visitor: Well technically so was Steve jobs. I heard he used a Samsung device. And Samsung made iPhone cameras.

Visitor: So when does my update come out?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] khaytsus:
Trolling Level One Tech: Level Nub
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kabuk1:
Sooo, were you Stewart or were you the guy who surely had better things to do than troll someone who's just doing their job? lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] egomezmorales:
Delete
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DwanEllington:
Why would this guy be a failure. It got me out of the humdrum that my day usually is for a half an hour. I don't mind when people give me a hard time in tech support. As long as its actually funny. People usually get mad at me because of things I can't fix with their phones. Or are you saying that I'm a waste? All I did was my job. I thought that guy was pretty funny. Huh..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kimtyson:
I want the last 2 minutes of my life back. What a waste.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rangercaptain:
Someone needs a hobby besides jerking around tech support.

No wonder they tell you its twenty minutes until the next rep is available to help you with your TECH issue!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sarcosis:
I second that. Making tech support answer questions like these makes the legitimate people who have real questions wait. Griping to them isn't going to change anything.