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[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] martirio3000:
It is not screen incopability

It is your "fault"

ICS is not for gaming

Nova 2 has problems too like assasins creed like shadowgun and like many MANY MANY MANY MANY other games.

I would surely say that most games are incompatible with ICS.

Just go at GB for gaming
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dano9258:
So I just bought my first Android phone in August and am loving it. Coming from having every Iphone since their launch, I was skeptical but I was sick of seeing larger and faster phones other than the Iphone and Apple refusing to match them. Anyways, I have gotten impatient for the 4.1 Jelly Bean update for our phones, so I installed my first ROM today (CM 10). It actually was quite a breeze and was very satisfied with it. I downloaded the ROM Manager app and it did everything for me in about 10 minutes! I've got a couple of quick questions:

1) If and when I want to go back to the standard Samsung, do I just use the backup I made?

2) If I install a new ROM based off a newer version of the nightlies, do I have to re-arrange and install everything again?

Thanks guys!
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] crash822:
If you made a nandroid backup of the stock rom then yes, you can restore it.

To install a new cm10 update, wipe cache/dalvik cache/system. Then install the rom. There is no need to do a factory wipe unless instructed to.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Heisenberg420:
this should probably be in Q & A but

1) yes the best way to go back to stock is to flash the nandroid backup you made.

2) when updating to a newer version of cm10 you can usually just wipe cache & dalvik and flash the new nightly, unless it specifies you should do a full wipe. however you should do a full wipe every now and then or you might start to see some bugs that other people aren't seeing.

also always full wipe when flashing a different rom.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] djaswal:
Question

Hey,

Do you loose warranty even if you have full nand backup and you restore it before sending the phone back?

Thanks,
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dano9258:
I believe so, once you root they will always know
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] cue_32:
Just restore back to full stock using ODIN and you're good to go.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] crash822:
They have to prove that rooting your phone broke it in order to void your warranty.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Wond3r:
That is not true.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Heisenberg420:
I believe if you root using the no trip method (in android development) then you should be fine. Also I think there are methods to reset the flash counter.

Also if you send in your phone for replacement or hardware repair they don't check if your rooted or not. I replaced my atrix and I sent my old one back rooted (out of ignorance back then) and never had problem.

Although with the addition of the flash counter feature this year from Samsung / at&t, it leads me to believe that they are cracking down more nowadays
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] elementaldragon:
Yea... rooting your phone would not void the warranty. Jailbreaking/Rooting was made legal (as an exemption of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act's anti-circumvention provisions... pretty much the only time Apple was ever basically told to "F*ck off*... which you can read the info about Here and which I don't recall actually being revoked). Even if they did somehow try to claim that rooting the phone voided the warranty, the Magnuson-Moss Act would essentially require them to prove without a reasonable doubt that something relating to root privilege caused the failure... which they'd probably be pretty hard-pressed to do.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] dano9258:
What is the big deal anyways? As long as your careful and make backups you should be fine. If the phone fails and stops working, get another phone because obviously the one you had is a piece of crap! http://xdaforums.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
This is real developement CyanogenMod 10 ROM

Developement named as Black Jelly Bean Project

#include <include/disclaimer.h>
/*
* Your warranty is now void.
*
* I am not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards,
* thermonuclear war, or you getting fired because the alarm app failed. Please
* do some research if you have any concerns about features included in this ROM
* before flashing it! YOU are choosing to make these modifications, and if
* you point the finger at me for messing up your device, I will laugh at you.
*/

NOTE

1. Need full wipe /data /cache /system

2. All bugs writed. Others have not found. If I find I write

3. Dear please do not flood

Download link - Kindly do not mirror my links

Credits

Arcee

chenleicpp

gabwerkz

dhiru1602

ocovarr112

Koila33

Sources

ROM: https://github.com/paul-xxx/android_device_lge_p970

Proprietary binaries: https://github.com/paul-xxx/android_vendor_lge_p970

Kernel: https://github.com/paul-xxx/lge-kernel-sniper
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Changelog

30/10/2012

- Fixed: Bootloop

29/10/2012

- Fixed: Camera

- Fixed: USB

- Fixed: ADB

- Fixed: USB Mass Storage

- Fixed: SD Card

- Fixed: Settings > Data Usage menu

- Fixed: Signal level

- Fixed: 3G/HSPA icon, etc.

- Fixed: Baseband extraction (Thanks Arcee)

- Fixed: Noise when unlocking phone

- Fixed: USB Tether

- Fixed: Wlan Terher

- Fixed: Volumes in call speaker and loud speaker

- Fixed: G-Recovery

- Fixed: Auto brigthess levels

- Fixed: Headphones detection

- Updated: CyanogenMod sources

- Updated: Kernel to 3.0.8

- Updated: Vibration Implementation

- Updated: Audio Libs

- Updated: PVR Libs

- Updated: Camera Libs

- Updated: GPS Libs

- Updated: RIL Libs

- Updated: Wlan MAC

- Updated: Charger

- Updated: Charger images

- Updated: Ramdisk (Now init.black.rc separated from init.rc)

- Removed: Patches for using with 2.6.y kernel's

- Removed: MTP Mode

- Added: Lags from 3.0.8 kernel

- And other updates I forget :D

24/09/2012

- Increased: Audio Volume

- Added: USB Audio support

- Added: Bluetooth tether

- Updated: Audio libs from V20c

- Updated: Kernel to 2.6.35.9

- Updated: framework overlay

- Updated: Camera

- Updated: ramdisk

- Updated: RIL from FOP v6a

- Fixed: Auto Brigthness

- Fixed: Mobile Data

- Fixed: WiFi

- Fixed: Call audio routing

- Fixed: Headphones Connector

- Fixed: Google Apps crashing

- Fixed: Battery Drain

- Fixed option: Setting > Wi-Fi > Advanced > Wi-Fi region code

16/09/2012

- Removed: Generic gralloc (no need)

- Removed: omap3 hwcomposer (no work)

- Removed: USB Audio support (Missing in kernel)

- Updated: framework to HDPI artwork

- Updated: Camera (Correct picture sizes)

- Updated: SGX DDK to 1.10

- Updated: CM10 sources

- Added: Torch

- Added: SD Cards support

- Added: g-recovery

- Added: prb

- Added: asound lib

- Added: ALSA Files

- Added: Layout for open camera on g key and take photo

- Added: OMX

- Fixed: ALSA Port

- Fixed: Audio

- Fixed: Bluetooth

- Fixed: RIL

- Fixed: Force Closes

- Fixed: GSM/HSPA signal

- Fixed: A2DP audio

- Fixed: SD Card

- Fixed: Mass Storage

- Fixed: Video playing

- Fixed: MP3 Playing

12/09/2012

- Fixed: ramdisk (now rom boot)

- Fixed: EGL

08/09/2012

- Added: Readme

06/09/2012

- First version
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Screenshots:

Whats done

- Project Butter or Project Buthurt

- Accelerometr

- Gyroscope

- G-Recovery

- Offline Charger

- 3.0.8 Kernel

- Ligths Sensor

- Key lights

- Face Unlock

- Vibration

- Camera

- Gralloc

- OpenGL

- Buttons

- Root

- Touch

- Audio

- Bluetooth

- RIL (GSM/3G)

- Wifi

- BT Tether

- Wifi Tether

- USB Tether

- USB Mass Storage Mode

- SD Card

- Mobile data

- Google Now

- Auto Brigthness
[LG Optimus Black] SoulExertz:
Thanks Paul. ALSA files that you require cab be taken from GSL CM10 Sources
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
ok. i try from SL
[LG Optimus Black] gabwerkz:
@Paul

Try: https://github.com/tezet/android_device_motorola_milestone2
[LG Optimus Black] Duarte777:
Thanks BPaul ;)

Gralloc is included your sources ? Or i still need compile gralloc ?
[LG Optimus Black] SoulExertz:
U still need to. I'm compiling from VM :)
[LG Optimus Black] redy2006:
Known Bugs: No Boot, nice :good: ;) :laugh:
[LG Optimus Black] Mexickano:
Bug: No boot.

lol, you made my day, thanks for your hard work, I hope this came true
[LG Optimus Black] omr911:
No boot :laugh: LOL

Lets compile !
[LG Optimus Black] SoulExertz:
Well, I'm still gonna build. At least its CM10
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
i compile and add in to rom

thanks i try here last :)
[LG Optimus Black] chenleicpp:
no boot

no boot means we need new egl libs
[LG Optimus Black] peppe.desire:
please, make this phone fly...
[LG Optimus Black] gabwerkz:
You have your logs Paul?

logcat: http://pastebin.com/9y1n3R75

dmesg: http://pastebin.com/DksgRh6K

Chen what's the current DDK version of our current PVR driver? I see 1.10 on other JB.
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
I know! These libraries do not give phone boot!

Thanks. Need try SGX from Galaxy SL
[LG Optimus Black] gabwerkz:
I see 1.10 from Quarx2k as module https://github.com/tezet/android_device_motorola_milestone2/commit/5e5fa65d9ca4e84f3993f5cb21b609e2b816349a
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
But. Galaxy SL no use this modules in rom
[LG Optimus Black] gabwerkz:
So 1.8 only from latona? I'll try them now.
[LG Optimus Black] naeem86:
is it official cm10?:S
[LG Optimus Black] VyktorJonas:
yes, not official Jelly Bean, but official CM10 :laugh:
[LG Optimus Black] naeem86:
guys..lets not post official cm10 on bpaul thread!:P
[LG Optimus Black] VyktorJonas:
you're right :silly: sorry bpaul, I saw the post and went crazy :angel:
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
OfftoperZZ:laugh::laugh:
[LG Optimus Black] androidjel:
IT is smooth :) but no a little network problem and no FM radio

---------- Post added at 06:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:04 PM ----------

and gps dont work
[LG Optimus Black] :
Release a Slim Bean!!!
[LG Optimus Black] Hellmanor:
BPaul - when are you goin to upload your bugless rom? :D
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Moving to 3.0.8 kernel :D
[LG Optimus Black] Mini Franki:
The AOKP version is more stable than cm10?
[LG Optimus Black] RomWiz:
Yeah

Sent from my Jelly Bean phone.
[LG Optimus Black] blatecktonik:
Brother and I'll be honest, I tried the official JellyBean and really missing much, I think you can do more, I hope you continue with the project and now that it has the 3.0 kernel better. I hope an update of this ROM.

Greetings from Mexico Paul
[LG Optimus Black] naeem86:
+1 for that. xD
[LG Optimus Black] VyktorJonas:
+2 I think we're kinda disappointed about it
[LG Optimus Black] Mini Franki:
Because cm10 have a lot SOD, FC and reboot

But camera seem to be ok on the cm10
[LG Optimus Black] redy2006:
of course bro.. it still under development, and still much to be fixed.. so it does can do more, step by step.. ;)
[LG Optimus Black] androidjel:
Idont have root acces on the officiel
[LG Optimus Black] di3cbl:
Report stuff here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1898833
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Auto btigthness fixed :)
[LG Optimus Black] lowert:
when dou you update it?it will be with the 3.0.0 kernel?
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
see changelog :D
[LG Optimus Black] meddistar:
Is camra fully working ?

Or only picture? Is it clean ?
[LG Optimus Black] Mexickano:
@BPaul Will your Unofficial use Beats Audio?
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Forget beats. is no work
[LG Optimus Black] Mexickano:
Now i will ask you something weird, but, do you recommend me your Unofficial CM10 or ICS Korean Version?, :p
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
V20g:laugh:
[LG Optimus Black] Mexickano:
LoL, I see you're advancing with big steps, I'm just waiting for your next release and I will install it.
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Rom updated

Changelog

24/09/2012

- Increased: Audio Volume

- Added: USB Audio support

- Added: Bluetooth tether

- Updated: Audio libs to V20c

- Updated: Kernel to 2.6.35.9

- Updated: framework overlay

- Updated: Camera

- Updated: ramdisk

- Updated: RIL to FOP v6a

- Fixed: Auto Brigthness

- Fixed: Mobile Data

- Fixed: WiFi

- Fixed: Call audio routing

- Fixed: Headphones Connector

- Fixed: Google Apps crashing

- Fixed: Battery Drain

- Fixed option: Setting > Wi-Fi > Advanced > Wi-Fi region code
[LG Optimus Black] meddistar:
Camera works like in offical cm10 ?
[LG Optimus Black] TheGripper:
Old kernel ?
[LG Optimus Black] Maneth:
BPaul, have you merge this (awesome :silly:) ROM with CM sources ? I've seen this in your changelog, but it isn't anymore.

Anyways, continue your work, I find it a very good thing ! :)

PS : And about 3.0 kernel ? :)
[LG Optimus Black] agritux:
for daily use writing.

waiting for rewievs
[LG Optimus Black] RomWiz:
Yeah.

But not video recording

Sent from my Jelly Bean phone.
[LG Optimus Black] sexation:
That isnt the new kernel isnt it?

Enviado desde mi LG-P970 usando Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus Black] meddistar:
You tried it ?
[LG Optimus Black] RomWiz:
Yes.

Sent from my Jelly Bean phone.
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Old kernel much stable :D
[LG Optimus Black] Duarte777:
Thanks Paul for your work, will try now the RC1 ;)
[LG Optimus Black] lowert:
camera is perfect?no gamma?

however,is it stable enough for daily use?what about lag?
[LG Optimus Black] sexation:
HW acceleration works?
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Damn! People! Read first page.
[LG Optimus Black] Duarte777:
Rom is super fast :D

No sod´s until now or other problems, but camera works a little worst than official CM1O.
[LG Optimus Black] lowert:
compared to korean ics?cause im on korean ics and if this rom is better,good enough i change to this,i love the voice search:D
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Last i upload sources. Try build AOKP or ParanoidAndroid ;)
[LG Optimus Black] agritux:
so installing :)
[LG Optimus Black] eversavage:
I'm d/l the ROM. What kernal and modem is everyone using? I'm coming from a GB ROM el 29
[LG Optimus Black] Duarte777:
Faster than korean ICS.
[LG Optimus Black] agritux:
just installed. seems pretty nice and more more more stable than official nigtly.

i prefer to use this one.

thanks.

if anyone says "gsm not work" please select automaticaly select network settings. dont ask for it.
[LG Optimus Black] racik198:
Mr. Nooby what means camer works a "little worser"?
[LG Optimus Black] meddistar:
Can't take normal pics

But Rom is better than official cm10
[LG Optimus Black] agritux:
bpaul why your zip didnt named blackcm10 like this :) dont forget your project name please :) because, a lot of zip file in my sd card :D
[LG Optimus Black] florin250:
guys I did full wipe and I have this bugs : it doesn't conect with the mobile network until i go to settings and make it manually , no signal grid at all , camera have a grenney image , rest works fine , Thx for the great rom
[LG Optimus Black] agritux:
accepted

for now
[LG Optimus Black] androidjel:
Why not kernel 3. 0. 8?
[LG Optimus Black] florin250:
means that has a greney image and galery FC:rolleyes:
[LG Optimus Black] agritux:
for him, this kernel is more stable and he wanted it. please read.

bpaul phone signal icon at statusbar dont show true signal.

i cannot connect wifi.

it finds trys to connect but no

i saw, the mac address bug same with cm7

it cant find mac adress

writes 00:00:00:00:00
[LG Optimus Black] bluehunter9:
He said because old kernel is more stable
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
This is taken directly from the output folder.

I like that do not bother about the renaming.
[LG Optimus Black] florin250:
after taking a picture camera FC :rolleyes:

720p movies are playng in very low frame rates !
[LG Optimus Black] VyktorJonas:
rom looks great, 300mb of free memory :laugh: but media scan isn't working, my music player and gallery doesn't show anything, what do I do?
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Wipes. Everething works
[LG Optimus Black] VyktorJonas:
you mean cache? dalvik?

please don't say data, please don't say data
[LG Optimus Black] naeem86:
I second that..media scanning is working. I do get gallery and music. Only Downfall is battery tends to drain quite fast compared to stock GB rom. But besides that ROM is really smooth and fast. Much better than official cm10.
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
All

/cache /data and /system!

PS: Use ES Explorer for backup apps! ;) And Titanium
[LG Optimus Black] VyktorJonas:
ps.: front key lights aren't "blinking" while booting, just the first (menu) and last (search)
[LG Optimus Black] lowert:
it is known,and i think its good looking
[LG Optimus Black] VyktorJonas:
ah, ok, thanks, and what about the home key, it's not working here, I press but doesn't do anything -forget, already working-
[LG Optimus Black] ferreinf:
Pretty nice build, camera is not working for me, lags a bit even with holo launcher hd tuned for speed...

Waiting for next build... :)

Btw bpaul attention with some of the apps that comes with your latest... ;)

Thank you for your hard work

Sent by my One X running ViperX
[LG Optimus Black] lowert:
bpaul i have a strange effect when i wake up the device its like in the tv when it hasnt got signal(ants)
[LG Optimus Black] VyktorJonas:
true, my OB is doing this effect too
[LG Optimus Black] florin250:
+ 1:rolleyes:
[LG Optimus Black] Mexickano:
You recommend install Official CM10 and later install your RC1?
[LG Optimus Black] xcroove:
Is it recommendable to install Official CM10 and later install your RC1?
[LG Optimus Black] VyktorJonas:
I did the wipes, flashed this rom, wipes, flashed another rom, wipes, flashed again this rom, and my media scan still doesn't work, isn't there a way to fix it?
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
In opensource package i find camera sources :)

KU5900(Optimus Black)_Android_ICS_KU5900v30I
[LG Optimus Black] Mexickano:
So, will you updating camera soon? This a big and good new.

About that effect after waking your device, it's common, indeed it comes since GB 2.3.7
[LG Optimus Black] Mini Franki:
You can put your work in the AOKP version because now the official cm10 is released? A combined work will be more benefit :D
[LG Optimus Black] theaks30:
Thank you again Bpaul...will try it this afternoon

The previous one was fluid

I can only imagine this one xD
[LG Optimus Black] dmytro:
GPS doesn't work.
[LG Optimus Black] lowert:
Please paul check the strange effect at wake up.With chen's cm10 i nehver had like this.
[LG Optimus Black] agritux:
miui's wake up effect :)

but i dont think so this rom for daily usage for now.

but it is better than others and very good starting :)

thanks bpaul.

i think if you use 3.0.8 kernel, it will be better.
[LG Optimus Black] lowert:
how can i change it to stock?
[LG Optimus Black] eighty-four:
Media scan problem appears to be common CM10 bug.

Deleted media library data and used FX File Explorer's media rescanner. It did some job and added my music, but scanning will never finish.
[LG Optimus Black] Edvin73:
Nicely done B.After this we can surely expect in the next release at least a fully working camera and a new kernel?You made big steps forward in quite a short time.Thank you.
[LG Optimus Black] hanci:
change kernel

this rom is fast...but still camera bug......

is it possible to change only kernel( with 3.0.8....)
[LG Optimus Black] JAROPDA:
GPS not work

I running this rom and GPS not work.

thanks
[LG Optimus Black] theaks30:
i think Bpaul Modded the kernel he is using as well
[LG Optimus Black] VyktorJonas:
someone please help me, my music player and gallery aren't showing anything it doesn't matter which CM10 rom I use :(

*yeah, I tried doing the wipes, but nothing works
[LG Optimus Black] Antonnzr:
So far all good except 2 issues:

1. Static at wakeup blinds me everytime I wake the phone.

2. The launcher sometimes starts lagging as hell but everything else ( ex. pulling down notification bar ) works fine.

Good work so far, keep it up.
[LG Optimus Black] florin250:
what about the camera ?
[LG Optimus Black] linzer_:
camera is in the BUGLIST!

Gesendet von meinem LG-P970 mit Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus Black] JAROPDA:
One bit lag......

Enviado desde mi LG-P970 usando Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus Black] Grakel:
I changed to nova launcer and the lag is gone.

So far so good. Im using this as daily rom :D
[LG Optimus Black] Duarte777:
Wich are the best ? Nightly 4 official or this RC1 ?
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Is no effect. Is bug:laugh:
[LG Optimus Black] florin250:
Hi BPaul , any news about the camera , Thx :D:fingers-crossed:
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
just wait :)
[LG Optimus Black] rrgrrg:
can someone please confirm these point on this rom

- hardware acceleration works "asphalt 7 , gangstar miami are playable "

- no FC's from phone app or the store app
[LG Optimus Black] adelx:
@koila33

in my opinion this RC1 seems more stable (i'm using as my daily rom) than nightly4...

*no FC/SOD in 24h of use/test...
[LG Optimus Black] d1rekt0r:
Well , i dont know , i never got to test rom fully , but i really hope paul fixes camera fully and moves to kernel 3 , and by the way , what is avarge free ram on rc 1 ?
[LG Optimus Black] fongnd:
wakelock

Paul,

Can you look into it....

Phone.apk doesn;t go into deep sleep
[LG Optimus Black] Grakel:
I was about to say the same. This is draining my battery like hell.

I tried the most common build.prop lines for entering deep sleep mode and it didnt work. Still it does not get into deep sleep.

Could this be a kernel problem?

Ill take a look tomorrow morning, gonna check with better battery stats if there is any wakelock or something that may be causing the bug. I rode somewhere that GB kernels often get stuck at min freq so they never get into deepsleep, and since there are many things that may cause this, Ill be trying the fixes I find one by one.
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
I was very surprised when I saw that the A7 works.
[LG Optimus Black] adelx:
i notice that too... phone is awake all the time
[LG Optimus Black] :
Anybody who can take a picture (or some) with the rear camera? Want to see if it is worth downloading it yet.
[LG Optimus Black] Grakel:
Camera is still all grey, you cant take normal photos, just panoramic ones.

Paul can you take a look to the rilj wakelock issues? Rebooting with airplane mode enabled, and then disabling it doesnt work (common workaround for cm9 ril wakelocks).

I think it is linked to the fact that I wont get signal right after booting, I always have to turn on and off airplane mode in order to begin getting my carrier signal.
[LG Optimus Black] :
Thanks, will have to wait for a release where it works then.
[LG Optimus Black] dcop7:
What doesn't work from the build of 24th?
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
Try replace:

/bin/rild

/lib/lge-ril

/lib/libini

/lib/libril.so

/lib/libreference-ril.so

From other CM.

I use FOP ril. Only FOP ril works in my country/
[LG Optimus Black] misaon00:
Review

BUGS:

-GSM signal icon (no display signal)¨

-Face unlock crash

-Camera

THanx for fix :) BPaul, nice work, dont stop!!! :)
[LG Optimus Black] aasimkhan30:
Bpaul fan of your work in xperia x8 and optimis black

this rom is good and smooth but lack battery life pls look this matter
[LG Optimus Black] adelx:
Tried to replace from two sources:

-when i replace files from FOP 6a ... phone restarts in recovery (don't work at all)

-replaced from aokp ... no network
[LG Optimus Black] BPaul:
i use FOP v6a libs :D
[LG Optimus Black] adelx:
ahhh... ok