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[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Quote button, use it!
[Nexus 7 General] reyes1213:
The nexus 7 has a quad processor, gorgeous screen, is not limited to only the Amazon app market like the kindles are, can easily be held in one hand, and you can download the kindle app on it.
[Nexus 7 General] I Am Marino:
This shouldn't even be a comparison.

-Sent from Marino's Nexus 7-
[Nexus 7 General] dr.m0x:
Two words settle this for me: vanilla android.
[Nexus 7 General] phillip1953:
Why would you use it as a mobile media server? Are you going to rock a 32" LCD in your car? :) Build as proper PC and be done with it.

Netflix isn't limited to your one device, so that dog won't hunt. I watch Netflix (same account) on my home theater PC, my desktop, my carpc ( a little mITX Asus based system) and my N7. So that 100 bucks is used on 4 different machines.
[Nexus 7 General] miketoasty:
The big issue is that Android doesn't take full advantage of Quad core processors yet, at least, from what I have heard.
[Nexus 7 General] Award Tour:
The SGX544 is more powerful.
[Nexus 7 General] elitelimfish:
So in regards to the original kindle fire. Rooting and installing CM seemed pretty common so I assume it will be the same with the new one. Hence I think I personally think it's a better deal. Though I guess you will lose out on many of their touted features, but it's gonna be nice to have a 1920px tablet for 300 bucks that will work well. The screen size does it for me. I have an evo 4g lte and the screen is 4.7 inches. The upgrade to a 7" screen is nice but honestly the last 2" just look much better to me. I plan on buying the wifi version when it comes out and rooting it when that becomes available.

Just my two cents on the matter.
[Nexus 7 General] loki154:
No it'll have the amazon app store. Also there is no mention whether the boot loader is locked or open.
[Nexus 7 General] NexusDro:
Is it? It doesn't look like the multicore version of the SGx543MP seen in the iphone 4s.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
anyone know which version of android this is rocking?
[Nexus 7 General] marcucci217:
Gizmodo or engadget claims ICS. Can't remember which said that tho

Edit: http://gizmodo.com/5941092/how-the-kindle-fire-2-stacks-up-to-the-competition

Link with the info above.
[Nexus 7 General] Inspiredwire:
If you got the Nexus 7 you would only need to download the Kindle app.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
The 7” Kindle Fire HD features a stunning HD display with 1280x800 resolution that delivers deep, detailed contrast and rich, natural color.

-amazon press release

So the only thing the 7" HD has going for it over the N7 is 16gb storage and amazon's store.
[Nexus 7 General] chlehqls:
And then the Nexus 10 will be released by the end of this year and everything will be normal again.

If I should speculate exactly when, it'll probably be released along with the new Nexus phone.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Me I wouldn't buy any crappy tablet amazon puts out anyway but the consumer market? They don't care about aosp or android updates or play store access. Sadly i think that nexus just got beat on that note and instead of being the hottest tablet on the market it may revert to the nerds tablet, like the Galaxy Nexus has become the nerds phone in the shadow of the one x and gs3. Sucks big loss for AOSP today
[Nexus 7 General] marcucci217:
Initial reviews aren't favorable in performance comparing it to the nexus 7.

http://gizmodo.com/5941095/kindle-fire-hd-hands-on-pretty-impressivefor-the-price

Only thing this has that I would even consider returning the nexus for would be the HDMI port. Just my $0.02.
[Nexus 7 General] lazaro17:
Definitely glad I bought a Nexus 7. I'll take JB and project butter over a heavily skinned version of ICS any day. I'll especially take updates directly from Google.

Viva Nexus!

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
Is the kindle os still based off gingerbread? That could definitely be why it would seem slower
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
Kindle Fire 7" HD is confirmed as 1280x800, per Amazon's press release.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-takes-high-end-introducing-193300007.html

"The 7” Kindle Fire HD features a stunning HD display with 1280x800 resolution that delivers deep, detailed contrast and rich, natural color. Kindle Fire HD also uses Gorilla Glass to provide superior strength and reliability."
[Nexus 7 General] FallN:
I'll keep my Tegra 3 quad-core, thanks...

I don't believe a word Amazon is saying on its speed. Let the tech blogs start running speed tests, until then, I'm not sipping that Amazon hype Kool Aid.
[Nexus 7 General] rushless:
Neither device has a micro sd, so both are gurlee tablets ;)

Still, if forced to pick, the N7 wins due to no lock down with Amazon store and other usual quirks with the Kindle Android products.
[Nexus 7 General] loki154:
I doubt it's as speedy as they claim. Like the iPad 3 this is pushing a really high resolution. Which isn't bad. What's bad is Amazon's UI implementation, it's a resource hog. I expect lag and lots of it.
[Nexus 7 General] bwolters:
your all nuts

PEOPLE NO IT DOESN'T TRUMP THE NEXUS 7

Speaking from a past Kindle Fire Owner and a Current Nexus 7 owner. The fire just doest stack up for the processing power, it never will.

If you want to equate this to the car manufacturing industry, Amazon is using plastic pieces where it should be using steel pieces.

Here are the specs of what actually counts:

Kindle Fire HD 7"

Processor - Dual core, 1.5GHz, ARM Cortex-A9

Google Nexus 7

Processor - Quad Core, 1.4GHz, Nvidia Tegra 3 (4+1)

Just so you understand it actually has a 5th core thats what the 4+1 means and that 5th core is dedicated to graphics and power management so that your 4 Cores are actually being used for what you want them to be used for your overall enjoyment. Oh yea and no native email client on the Fire, shoot me now.

If you can honestly tell me that when your getting into HD quality viewing that you can see a difference fine but from my over use of the Nexus 7, its not even close for me Nexus 7 kills!
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
Amazon was expected to one-up N7, and from the launch today, it achieved that task. In addition to the various service goodies, it has outflanked the N7 on both the low end, with KF7 HD at $50 less than N7, and at the high end, with KF8.9 HD's larger screen and full HD res. In addition, the 8.9 is competitive against iPad 3 at a substantial $200 less. N7 doesn't compete in this size.

AOS fans will probably want to stick with N7. But I think dev support will be high for the KF HD series, pending unlockable BL. Instead of arguing about who has the bigger penis, we should all be happy that there are more compelling choices in the Android market than just the N7.
[Nexus 7 General] loki154:
I've always thought that the original fires shouldn't be dubbed android tablets. You can use the term loosely but without Google services I hardly think you can call the fires an android tablet. It's an Amazon tablet running amazon services that just happens to fork the basic android OS
[Nexus 7 General] lazaro17:
I hope you guys like ads in your lock screen

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/6/32...fers?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 General] James-NC:
No bluetooth,no jelly bean or google apps...no sale. :(

It is missing the sd card and back camera everyone whines about on the n7.It is missing nfc,bluetooth and jelly bean that the n7 already has. Might as well just get an ipad if a bigger screen is wanted. ;)
[Nexus 7 General] atticusmas:
How bad is it? It's bad enough that when you tap an icon, you wonder if you did it wrong, if maybe you didn't tap firmly enough. The bimodal reading, for instance, hung for nearly 10 seconds as it loaded. X-Ray took about five. None had a visual indicator that something was wrong. We're told that we were using production models, so it's pretty disappointing. It's going to ship like this.

Gizmodo^
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Man, the specs on paper for this thing are drool worthy, but the Amazon ecosystem is easily the biggest bummer of them all.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I don't see how the year old galaxy nexus processor is better than the tegra 3
[Nexus 7 General] graffixnyc:
I think I'm going to pick up a 7 inch 32gb Kindle fire HD. Same price as the 16gb n7 with double the space and I'm sure there will be ways to run full fledged android on it. I love my N7 but damn that fire hd is nice.
[Nexus 7 General] kpjimmy:
THIS!

No bluetooth, no gps, no JB (without XDA's help lol) and no gapps....No dice.

I had the KF before the N7 and the two major things the KF lacked was user friendly gps and bluetooth.

I did like the KF, but the N7 is so much sexier :p
[Nexus 7 General] loki154:
Gotta agree with this ^. Nothing beats having a nexus, I'm sold on it after dealing with the kindle fire and OEM skinned phones.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
One interesting aspect is that the KF 8.9 would trump the iPad mini, assuming the latter also launches at the same $299 price. Both 8.9 and 7 HD models should be strong performers this holiday season, and will give iPads serious competition. The same can't be said for N7 alone.

Re: Laggy UI, etc - These haven't launched yet. Like the KF, there'll be software kinks to work out. I don't expect this to be a deal-killer. It doesn't matter anyway if custom ROMs are doable.

Bluetooth is available. It's mentioned in the HD's feature list. GPS isn't mentioned, but I'm fairly confident it's there, as else many things won't work (eg mapping, location-based services). We'll get more details on the units soon enough.

Nexus fans should be happy with the competition, even if they don't care for KFs. It's evident that Google will need to step up its game, and we should see better Nexus toys some time next year.
[Nexus 7 General] 3vo kid:
Damn pretty nice set of specs for that fire hd. But I gotta say I still like my n7 better. The Android experience on the nexus is amazing and that alone is enough for me. Memory is Deff a bummer and 16gb on my n7 isn't at all enough but hell that's why I have otg :D

Sent from my Rooted, LazyPanda, White "Destroy Mode" Evo
[Nexus 7 General] pokey9000:
The HD Fires have Bluetooth. I don't care about NFC and GPS in a tablet. JB though... depends on if Amazon was as generous with their bootloader as they were in the past. I might switch out my N7 for the 8.9" if the screen and build quality really are better than on the original Fire.
[Nexus 7 General] kenyee:
No BT or GPS? Missed that.

Most people (average joe schmoe...not Android customizers like us) won't care though...what makes me excited is the coming of the HD screens...1920x1200 on a 9" screen will be the new large screen standard so it's damned impressive.

I still might pick one up for development...their app store should do better w/ the new Kindle HD's...
[Nexus 7 General] ÜBER™:
I might have to get it... getting 32GB for the price I'm paying for a 16GB n7. Not too mention I have been through 3 tablets due to poor asus quality control. If I can't find a solid N7 this will be my tablet. And cm10 on the KF sounds amazing.

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The galaxy nexus has the 4460 not the 4470. And dual core vs quad core... the dual core will win depending on what is being preformed. Core to core... the dual cores win. Prime example... Intel Duals vs AMD quads.

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[Nexus 7 General] motrinHD:
i wish you could do the same with amazon prime videos!
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
Updated w/ product links, specs and pricing on various storage options.
[Nexus 7 General] Stresa:
I don't get the superior content angle. The N7 has access to all of the content that the Kindle does, but the Kindle does not come with the play store out of the box.

What am I missing?
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
It all evens out when we are playing with Key Lime Pie the day of release, and Kindle owners need to wait months for a decent port.

Even without it, I'm happy with the Nexus over the HD.
[Nexus 7 General] Metallice:
The Kindle Fire HD 7 inch has the 4460 NOT the 4470 found in the 8.9 inch.

And the Tegra 3 crushes the 4460, but its closer to the 4470.

And supposedly the HD 7 is really laggy.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
HD7? An htc windows phone 7 phone?

:P
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
Cores don't matter when you are comparing a heavily skinned version of ICS vs completely stock Jelly Bean. There is no contest who wins that speed test.

The 8.9 is impressive, but the reliance on the dev community to make it compatible with future versions of Android is a gamble. When the next version comes out who's to say all the drivers are compatible? Might require some hacking to get hardware to work, might lose some performance.

Then the next amazing version comes out, requires even MORE rubber bands and glue to make it run on the kindle. Now rather than smoothness you are just happy to get all the hardware functional.

Of course you have this problem with EVERY third party oem, so the comparison to the new Kindles against say a Samsung 8.9 incher are warranted. But the Nexus will have official support through most likely the next 2 versions of Android. You get the kindle and you need devs immediately, because your support ended at ICS.
[Nexus 7 General] quidnunc:
Does the larger one actually weigh 20 ounces? Not that I would ever be getting one anyway considering Amazon hardware and services are non-existent outside the US but for comparisons sake. The bezel on the 7 inch model also looks like it would make it harder to palm the device.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>Does the larger one actually weigh 20 ounces?

Go to any of the product pages, and scroll to the bottom to see the comparative specs. 8.9" HD = 20oz, 7" HD = 13.9oz.

>The bezel on the 7 inch model also looks like it would make it harder to palm the device.

Yes, width is 5.4". Not palmable if you have small hands.

Here's a question for all: Did Amazon just kill off the entire Android market? Do you see any other vendor coming out with a 9" or 10" tablet with FullHD for $300?

Let's expand it further. Would $600-700 Win8 hybrids sell against the $300 KF 8.9"?
[Nexus 7 General] shinzz:
Hmm, content.. as in media. Yes, you can download Amazon Kindle in our android devices.. however, it comes with a catch.. NO Amazon Prime videos & no access to Amazon Kindle library to borrow books for free.

When it comes to media content in Google Playstore.. it is flat (and when was the last time you actually purchased music, books, or movies) compared to Amazon. As for apps in Google Playstore... the Amazon appstore has done well to cover majority of the "big" app from Google Playstore. The only negative is the lack of access to GAPPS ... such as GMAIL & etc. So, if you can leave without GAPPS & don't really care about "Android" experience... which most avg. consumers don't... Kindle Fire is the superior product over Nexus 7.

Oh, and once.. or if CM10 gets ported to Kindle Fire line.. it's all even games on "android" experience as well on superior h/w for cheaper price.

Windows is going after completely different market though (along with full OS those Win8 hybrids provide.. for example, Samsung Series 5 tablet will be priced at $650 for full OS & S-Pen included). Yes, I think it will exist well with KF HD (not Windows RT though.. unless Surface RT gets released for rumored $200 price... of which, they might be forced to with KF 8.9 & impending iPad mini launch).

As for other Android tablets... I think they are really going to suffer.
[Nexus 7 General] OneDeep:
Does the $499 one even have a rear camera????
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
Device is probably meant to be used mostly with wifi, with lte supplement. I think it would probably be worth the $50/year, but on the other hand, perhaps not the +$200 upfront. I also don't see any mention of a sim card; if this is exclusive to the amazon network, I would find it questionable.

Agreed that the bezel seems a bit fat. Also 395 vs 340 grams for the 7'' (not sure how much that affects convenient usability). The ugly bezel alone makes me more inclined to consider the 9'', where it looks more natural.

In terms of internal hardware (besides the processor, which I don't know too much about) I would say that either of the Fire HD's are more advanced than the Nexus 7. Of particular note is the much saner storage space (16/32gb for $200/$250 on the 7''). Neither seem to offer sd slots.

It all comes down to whether the bootloader can be unlocked.
[Nexus 7 General] ÜBER™:
Awe ****... :( welp looks like im going to be searching the state of Texas for a good Tablet :S or try the play store... i HATE dealing with online things though.. cant just exchange it takes days.. and takes days to arrive. Its pretty annoying to be anxious over something then find out that its the same old song and dance...
[Nexus 7 General] O.a.T.:
I'm seriously considering the 7" HD primarily as a mobile Prime media server with it's HDMI out capability. I already pay Netflix ~$100/year just for streaming movies, while the included discounted shipping, a free book a month, free audio books, etc. in Prime for ~$80/yr seem like a much better deal. And of course there is the new movie deal that Amazon just signed too, significantly expanding their movies/tv coverage. So the lack of a JB, Key Lime, etc. may not be that big a deal for me and others like me.
[Nexus 7 General] alan77ss:
Who cares about specs - just look at the lag on this video. No thank you. I'll stick with the nexus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXFCkLi-yqU
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
There's no reason (short of idiotic DRM) that cm10 or another jellybean won't be portable to the kindle fire.
[Nexus 7 General] atoy74:
Another thing to consider is all the Kindles shown today are ad supported.

It seems they conveniently omitted that from the presentation.

http://news.yahoo.com/amazon-failed-mention-kindle-fire-tablets-ad-supported-212043040.html
[Nexus 7 General] tedr44:
7" Kindle Fire HD

1280 x 800

1.2ghz dual core, not quadcore

dual band wifi 2g/5g

no gps

no sd card

battery charger extra $9.99

usb charge time 13 hours

Proprietary OS, not full Android
[Nexus 7 General] freecity:
Now that the Fire HD is announced, what's next for the Nexus 7?

I'm wondering what Google will do with the N7 pricing and configuration in response to the release of the Fire HD. I'd expect them to discontinue the 8gb version, drop the price of the 16gb version to $199 and add a 32gb version for $249. Hopefully Asus will also deal with the quality control problems.
[Nexus 7 General] alan77ss:
True, but look how long it takes for the likes of cyanogen to release a stable build. don't get me wrong, they do a great job, i'm not knocking them - but i don't think i'd want to deal with 6 months of nightlys before there's a finished version.
[Nexus 7 General] qhinton:
The only thing that can hold a candle to the 7 is the screen on the 8.9 that resolution is going to awesome then HDMI out. If the 7 had HDMI it would be perfect. I like HDMI for streaming movies from home network to TV in an easy way as I go from room to room. or traveling as most hotels have flat screens.

It will be interesting. If I get another tablet it will be the IPad mini for the polished apps. I could care less about Amazon.

Nexus 7

Gnex

WiFi Xoom

Logitech Revue
[Nexus 7 General] Metallice:
These comparisons would be a lot more interesting if the Fire HD 7 had the 4470 instead of the 4460... that would make it a worthy competitor. The 4460 just won't be able to handle that skinned ICS.

The 8.9 inch is much more impressive.
[Nexus 7 General] MRsf27:
what about this?

http://www.kobo.com/koboarc/

it isn't out yet, but it will be coming out, what do you guys think of this in comparison to the nexus 7?
[Nexus 7 General] vcbacon@hotmail.com:
Me, too.

This is one place where the N7 really disappoints.
[Nexus 7 General] drpfenderson:
Why versus? They're 2 different things. One is a 7" tablet. One is a 9" tablet. It's also silly to compare the Nexus to any 10" tablet...they're just not the same thing. If we were comparing it to, say, a 6.5" or a 7.5" I would understand.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
Re: Amazon's 4G 250MB plan - It's not very compelling. Assume: 1-yr use cycle; LTE version costs $50 more than wifi version. Then, actual cost of 250MB plan is $200/yr. This is comparable to AT&T's current pricing of $15/month ($180/yr) for its 250MB plan.

In other words, Amazon shifted the service cost into the device's upfront cost. Note that this is the opposite of the usual practice, which is to shift the cost of the device into the service (aka subsidizing).

The cost is cheaper if the device is used for longer periods. For 2-yr use, actual plan cost is $250, or $125/yr. For 3-yr, cost is $300, or $100/yr. Normally however you will be upgrading to a new device after one or two years of use.

Re: Which SoC/GPU is faster etc - It doesn't matter. What matters is (hardcore) gaming support. For now, Nvidia still gets more love from game devs, with many 3D games supporting only Tegra. But assuming that KFs will sell well, and that Amazon will throw spiffs at devs to support its devices, then we can expect to see OMAP4 being supported just as well.
[Nexus 7 General] lazaro17:
I'm sure a prime video app is coming eventually. Been a prime customer for 2 years now and even though the video is the only thing I don't use due to the lack of decent content (last I checked) I would agree an app would be nice. Wasn't an iPad app recently released?

I primarily use Netflix + xfinity player.

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 General] ppp38:
Quad Core

Jelly Bean

Google EcoSystem + Amazon

Its the N7 quite easily. These kindles will kill the Nook but the N7 will largely remain unscathed.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I knew a new kindle was coming, but I didn't care. I wasn't impressed with the fire and knew I wouldn't be impressed this time. They sound like a better deal than the nexus but you gotta read in between the lines. They are using dated ti socs, and have no gps or bluetooth. And I get sick of hearing they run android. They don't. They run kindle os, an os based off android. So they sacrificed different things to achieve the same goal basically.

Overall for 200 with the kindle hd 7 inch the only thing it really has over the nexus is storage. That being said it will probably sell better because of the kindle brand name. But the nexus 7 is a hit and by no means are you getting a better deal from amazon
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
That's because what they call nightlies is more or less as stable as other ROMs' stable releases. In either case, CM isn't the only jellybean ROM that can be ported. As long as it has popularity (which is correlated with dev interest) the software shouldn't be an issue. And with these prices and amazon's well-placed advertising, we're probably going to see a surge in popularity.
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I bought 2 htc devices thinking they'd be a safe bet because I had cm on my captivate, and I was wrong. My Vivid's virtually impossible to get a non stock based rom on, and my flyer didn't have enough developer interest to get a fully working cm9 build. I'll never buy another android device again on the idea that it'll "probably" get cm. In fact I was so bitter about my flyer not getting updated past honeycomb I vowed never to buy an android device that didn't have the nexus brand name on it ever again. So my choice was easy.

As for the kindle its heavily subsidized on Amazon content so you can bet that hacking them will be quite the chore. I wouldn't bank on cm.
[Nexus 7 General] Logan_M:
Is the screen actually better than the Nexus 7? They are both 1280 x 800.
[Nexus 7 General] BrianDigital:
Well to speed things up you could work on it
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I never get the superior content. You can get the kindle app and amazon mp3 app on any android device, and the only thing it has is prime video... So get netflix! I tried prime for a month and honestly netflix is better anyway