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[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] cybot_x1024:
How about photos taken in low light? I would like to know how it stacks up against the Doubleshot. If its the same or better, the 3 megapixels less can be overlooked.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] pudgybunnyBry:
I will try to have a few lowlight photos snapped with my Relay tonight to post.

You. Will. Obey. XDA Premium - Samsung SGH-T699
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] jjbz:
Edit: SOLD

If anyone is looking to purchase a SGS Relay 4G (SGH-T699), I have one in like new condition for sale. My gf got me a Note 2 so now I have too many devices. I thought I'd try to sell here before resorting to swappa, craigslist, or ebay.

PM me with some offers if you're interested. I'll take some pics of the Relay when I get home tonight.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] crimedave1987:
Dang jjbz lucky dude keep your girl
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] ranteo:
Thinking of changing away from mt4gs.

Am thinking of either the relay or droid 4. Any suggestions?

Has to have removable batteries and non-embedded sim. (thus not considering the photon q)
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] stylez:
Just glad too see another UK user as just ordered one as Quadband. Same reason not many people in UK have one last device XT910 which was same no one knew what it was :D
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] siani_8:
It looks like T-Mobile is giving the Relay away FREE right now with a 2 year contract when purchased online. Also, there are still only 10 reviews for that device. I'd be lying if the thought of picking one up hasn't crossed my mind especially since Relay users have been over here trying to recruit us but I belive that device looks dead in the water and even if my contract was up, which it isn't, I don't think I'd even get it as a free upgrade. I'm gonna hold on hope that something better than that will be released by the time my contract is up.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
Yeah, I don't see that phone getting even the attention the MT4GS has received. I played with one at the T-Mobile store up the street from me. It has some good features, for sure, but it just isn't what I'm looking for. I really want a Nexus simply because of the massive development they have. However, I'm seriously turned off by the lack of storage and removable battery issue. Why can't we get a Nexus-like phone with storage and battery? Is that too much to ask for?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] siani_8:
No hardware keyboard on Nexus though right? I guess if I didn't like the keyboard so much phone shopping would be much easier.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
Even though every smartphone I've ever owned has had a keyboard (original T-Mobile DASH, Moto Cliq, MyTouch 3G Slide, and 4G Slide), I've considered that my next phone will probably be keyboard-less. I'm training myself to use the on-screen keyboard more and more (using the latest beta of Swype is not too bad). Also, I did see where someone was able to access the battery rather easily on the new Nexus 4, so technically it would be possible to replace the battery in it. But, I demand at least 32GB and even then I'd be forced to delete some of my music or videos. I've seen rumors that HTC will make another Nexus with the guts of the Butterfly J. If so, that would be a phenomenal phone.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
Lucky you Fuzi. Sadly I really can't live with a pure touchscreen phone. As most of the time I really need to use text messaging while driving and using onscreen keyboard on a rough road is insane :)
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] ebrandsberg:
Honestly, I would stick with the MT4GS right now. My wife has the Relay, and while it is a fine phone, it doesn't have the mods that the MT has now. It seems like the flood-gates have opened on the MT4GS, lots to choose from. The MT4GS feels like a much more solid phone as well, construction wise.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] stylez:
It's funny as if u was UK based the last options would have been MOTO DEXT, MOTO FLIP as in signature and there has been no high end devices since the WM Touch Pro 2 released with keyboard.

Someone earlier mentioned earlier devices Kaiser/Excalibur again in sig, then after was the Rhodium/Touch Pro.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
When driving I used the built-in Genius system on the MT4GS. Put it in driving mode and get it trained properly and it is a joy to use. Pair it with an in-car system like the Ford Sync that uses Bluetooth and it is amazing. Without handsfree options, I would never talk or text while driving, no matter keyboard or not.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
I don't think the voice to text feature of genius system would work out using my native dialect :o

I already tried it and it crapped out the hell out of me. It was only made for english and I rarely use english as my language other than on the internet and rarely at work.

I guess that's what I get for using a phone which was really not meant to be used outside T-Mobile networks haha!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
True, I hadn't thought about non-English speakers in that regard. I wonder how the new Google Now system performs for non-English? On my partner's HTC tablet, I had him try the dictation, which uses the Google system. It recognized his Mandarin words with a great deal of accuracy.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
I know how to speak french and spanish other than my native language and only spanish works great on google now. I don't know but it's either because of the hard to pronounce words of french which is causing that issue or is just really because of my accent. Can't try it with my native language as it's not supported.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] siani_8:
That's really ashame because the Genius button is probably the most underrated feature on our phone. It works really well for me and I use it to text while driving also and that way, I'm not in danger of killing anyone while trying to type while driving. When the MT4GS first came out, most of the users on here saw the 50 MB it was taking up and kind of freaked out about it and wanted it off the phone and then there were the other users that were used to having google search in that spot and wanted that button back. Personally, I think it's one the features that really puts the "smart" in smartphone.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] onebornoflight:
::angry:: a month after I pay for the Relay... grrrrr...

Anyway. Ok so I don't know if the recruiting reference was made to me or not but here's the skinny. This was my first home on XDA, right here. So I'm still posting here unless a mod tells me otherwise. When I bought my Doubleshot I came from a G1... and I might not have bought the device I did given the seeming lack of development for the device AT THE TIME. I had nobody to tell me what was going to be a suitable upgrade from my G1 for what I WANTED. I got lucky - and I'm not trying to be a recruiter for the Relay. Yes, I asked for help thanking and requesting a forum for the Relay because I perceive this as a whole community... helping each other. I don't see it as team DS and team Relay... so when I share information based off the comparison as someone who has owned BOTH devices, and as someone whose Doubleshot saw a LOT of flashing different roms... I am offering my input and experience to anyone who might be tired of HTC and their crappy customer support with regards to updates or anyone who finds themselves in the same boat I was. If I can help one person the way I didn't have help smartphone shopping when I bought my DS... then my posts have merit. Fuzi took something I said the wrong way in another post which I figure has factored into it. Personally... I feel the Relay is a superior device. If I want a camera, I use my camera. My phone is communication and an mp3 player... and my way to download stuff with no pc. If anyone wants a full synopsis of this phone versus the DS after my first month (almost) hit me up and I will fully compare/contrast. I wanted what y'all want though - a high end phone with a physical keyboard... the S3 with a KB as some thought this would be.

Now. Do I have any recourse less than a month off purchasing the phone since it is going free this weekend? I'm guessing there is no way to get the difference back, right?

Oh and please... don't kill a device as "dead in the water" when it is fresh off release, going on sale before Christmas, and development for the phone is starting off right. Where was the Doubleshot a month after release? 2 months?

How about some support one underdog to another lol?

::goes off grumbling jealously about paranoid android JB::
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] siani_8:
Yeah don't take that the wrong way as I wasn't picking on anyone and I noticed at least a few Relay owners recommending the phone. In answer to you question about where the MT4GS was this far after release in comparison, there was over a 100 reviews (combined black and beige version) on the T-Mobile site when I bought mine a month after release. Also, I went shopping last night and my friend manages a T-Mobile store and I went to hang out with him and bs about XBox a little. While I was there he let me play with the Relay and I came away thinking that I did like the keyboard and that the notification light seems like one of those multi-colored ones that I missed from my G1 days...but that's it. The phone felt pretty cheaply made in my hands when comparing it to the slide. He also told me that he sold one Relay in the store since release and that since they were selling it for the same price as the Galaxy SII, people were opting for that even though technically the Relay is a better phone. I told him they were giving it away free online with a contract now. If I wanted to get it through him it would have been $99 but I could actually do it even though my contract isn't up yet. Anyway, I meant no ill will towards you and I hope you enjoy your purchase. I was just making an opinion based on things I saw from my own past experience and maybe now that the phone is free with contract, it could very well get some more users but it won't likely be my qwerty successor.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
I'm not miffed about your posts, I like hearing how other people like their phones. It's all good. We all have different likes and needs in a phone, and obviously the Relay fits what you want. It doesn't suit my needs, though.

It wouldn't hurt to ask them at the T-Mobile store or 611 about getting a refund for the price difference. The worst they can say is "no", or they may surprise you and do it.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] siani_8:
For those who are looking to get the Relay as their next QWERTY phone (Keyboard and Processor sure are nice), it looks like today is the last day to take advantage of the "FREE with 2 yr Contract" deal when purchased online through T-Mo. Don't let this good deal slip away if this is the phone for you!!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Coug76:
I think the Relay is covered on their 2 day sale that starts tomorrow and includes basically all Samsung smart phones except the Note 2 and the 32gb Galaxy S3. Free after rebate.

If I can swing it the wife is getting the GS3 and I am getting the Note 2.

EDIT: This is confirmed on the TMo website.

Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] lito99:
Funny seeing your list I actually have had the SAME phones! Except for the Dash, I had the Sidekick Lx. I can't as much as I try I can't have a keyboardless phone. Its just so much better to me! Different strokes for different folks.

On another note, I saw something mentioned about needing 32gb of memory on a phone. On black Friday Best Buy will have a Sandisk Ultra III Class 10 32gb microSD for $17.99. For anyone looking :)
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] CDaccord:
There's also a radio advertisement out for this sale. Heard it on my way home and I stopped by here to see if anyone else had picked up on it since I last checked the topic earlier.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
samsung stratosphere II is up now. And *sigh!* offcontract is worth $539.00 better wait for it to lower down.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
It seems okay (similiar to Relay in specs in every way unless I missed something) but it seems to be a Verizon carrier model in th US and currently incompatible with us Tmobile US/At&t users on the MT4GS. I've already ordered the Samsung Note 2 from Wirefly and am currently waiting patiently for its arrival lol! I tried waiting on a nice successor for my Doubleshot but figure the only qwerty devices for months are out already and all have been disappointing replacements for our current great device. Too bad HTC couldn't make a One series QWERTY or Samsung could have given the Relay the Galaxy line treatment like the name implies (like the better/colorful housing and 8mp camera). I hope giant Note 2 makes the slate model transition easier ;) I'm sure I'd jump back on a qwerty if a high end model ever returned to the cellular world. I kinda feel like I'm cheating on HTC after all these years but I'm like a neglected spose at this point. Time to slut it up with some strange lol! I'm sure I'll be around here once in a while cause I am keeping my DS for backup and often switch 'em out from time to time (for half a year or so) plus my wife still uses a DS of her own and will keep it updated on newer CM9/10 for her. I can tell y'all about my transition if requested lol! I'm sure it might be helpful for some or good for a cheap laugh at least;) I'm expect the Note 2 by the 27th...
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
Compatibility with network radios isn't really a problem here in our country as all our network carriers here support CDMA,GSM,LTE,Wimax and HSPA+.

Mind if I ask but what's the 3g frequency of tmobile anyway? Here's stratosphere's frequency radios.

2G Network	CDMA 800 / 1900

GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900

3G Network	CDMA2000 1xEV-DO

HSDPA 2100

4G Network	LTE 700 MHz Class 13

I am also waiting for a qwerty successor specially on HTC that's why I am still holding on. Can't really live with a keyboardless phone so if nothing comes up I'm better of going to blackberry or comeback to a low end phone at the moment ti'll I see a new one.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
T-Mobile US uses the 1900/1700/2100 MHz frequencies for their HSPA+ 3G service. Until recently they were only doing the 1700/2100 but they are in the process of refarming the 1900 MHz frequency from 2G "EDGE" to the 3G HSPA+ so they can attract all those iPhones (and other phones) from AT&T. Beginning 1Q 2013, T-Mobile will be implementing LTE-Advanced on Band 4 (AWS 1700/2100 MHz). Great news for those buying one of the new Nexus 4 phones (hidden tweak enables the Band 4 LTE radio).

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I'm the same way. I've been a loyal HTC owner since my very first smartphone back in 2009. But HTC has burned me twice now, on this MT4GS and the HTC Flyer tablet. I'm tired of being abandoned and getting that condescending response, "no update because we feel that outdated OS is the best user experience". I think even if HTC were to come out with a kickass qwerty, I would be leery of buying it because they've shown no loyalty to me so why should I show any to them, now?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] MT4GS:
And that's your own fault only, any "loyalty to a brand" (or product, name, etc) is just sick.

It is exactly what all corporations want us - the consumers - to be brainwashed for with their commercials and advertising.

Always DO your research before you buy anything that cost you more than hour of your time or what you put into your mouth.

Who cares does Product A carry logo of "htc" and similarily featured Product B has a logo of "Samsung" on it's case? If they are based on the same technology and chipsets, most likely the parts inside come from the very same factories from China, Taiwan, Singapore or Korea.

Best example: just because there is Apple's logo on the iPhone, do you really think ANY part inside is made by Apple? It is all Samsung and few other manufacturers, everything was manufactured basically somewhere in Asia, exactly the same as any other smartphone on the market. (and I don't understand why some people say Apple is an American company, because it isn't anymore - same as HP or Dell, the CEOs are Americans, the HQ is located still in USA, but THAT'S ALL, everything else is located and made abroad, LOL)
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] gtmaster303:
Couldn't agree more. I don't have any brand loyalty at all. If you provide me with great hardware at the time of purchase, I could give 2 ****s less whether the company will provide an update and they are not obligated to either. All these guys are in the smartphone SELLING business. The only phones that get updates are the ones that have a strong consumer base and lots of sales (i.e. the customers the company can't afford to brush off). We are outcasts as far as HTC is concerned. A disposable consumer base. And that's exactly what the 4G Slide was as a product. The whole entire mytouch line has never seen many updates. Am I surprised we didn't get one? Not at all.

You should do your homework when purchasing any device. And if you don't know that all mytouch devices are marketed for about a year, and won't see any appreciable update, you shouldn't be buying from this line (think about any of the phones that came before this one - MyTouch 3G, 3G Slide, 4G)

Oh sure, I'll tell everyone this is the last HTC phone I buy and that they suck as a company. But if they release a kickass qwerty next week that has everything I want, will I stop myself from buying it? Probably not. Even without an update.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] demkantor:
There are my go-to brands that when I'm about to buy something, car, computer, phone, food, etc. That I go to first being they have treated me right in the past and my preceived value of their products tells me they are the way to go. 9 out of 10 times I still shop the competitors and look for a better value (not always monatary)

But I do have brand DISloyalty, that is to say places I will never shop or products I will never buy, usually due to ethical reasons or sometimes an obscure wrong they have done to me or someone I know.

Let's say appl came out with the best phone ever, of course in this hypothetical they would have to jump ships and use the android platform :D , and it had an sd slot, removable battery, next years cpu/gpu/ram/ etc, five row qwerty, and was promised to get at least 3 major os updates... all for 200$....

Id say **** off! Could not give that company a dime even if they tried to change they're ways... to much past... and its sad to say how many companies I boycott! Maybe I'm just an asshole!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
Dude, please stop attributing things to others (me) that you invent in your own mind. You could have saved a half-page rant if you'd just not commented on something you know nothing about -- my reasons for buying my HTC products. I bought them because, at that time, I considered them to be of superior quality. I do research and buy what I find to be the best available for the money I want to spend. That was HTC, then. However, when I am then burned by a company, it does not matter to me what their quality may be, I will go out of my way to not purchase their stuff again. Your unnecessary lecture on global manufacturing was both banal and pointless. :p

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I previously owned a MyTouch 3G Slide. Last year T-Mobile and HTC updated ALL of the MyTouch phones, including the hoary old original MyTouch that was ANCIENT and had already been superseded by 3 newer models, up to the then latest OS, Froyo 2.1. In fact, when the updates started rolling out, it was the oldest that got the update first. So, yes, I did do my research. Your comment was just as pointless as the other guy's.

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Exactly!!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] gtmaster303:
The key word in my post was appreciable

For the 3G Slide unless Froyo really blew your mind that much, the jump from 2.1 to 2.2 is not a big feat. I had the 3G Slide and CM7 ran on it like a champ. They already had fully working 2.2 (and 2.3 i think) roms by the time the update was releasing anyway. Was it a surprise? Yes. Did it matter? Not in the least. Releasing an outdated OTA update to a phone that's already been stable modded to the fullest hardly deserves a raised eyebrow.

As for the Mytouch 3G, I could be wrong, but I think it was the same story.

Look, you can sit there and pick holes in my opinion if you'd like, but you're missing the point.

You shouldn't be buying any android device (sans nexus and some flagships - even they can be left out at times) expecting to be coddled around until the next big update. Don't feel betrayed if you do get burned, because face it, at the end of the day they want you to buy another device. And if they gave you an update, you wouldn't be buying a device any time soon anyway. So a lost sale, is a lost sale, is a lost sale... all the same to them
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
Please stop trying to tell me what I should and shouldn't do. That is not your call to make and only makes you out to be a fool. You could be wrong on many, many counts. I don't give a rat's ass about what you have and haven't updated. I bought a product based on quality and my past experience with the brand. My opinion is the only one that counts, not yours, not the other guy's. Mine. So, just stop already. As to the third-party ROMS for the 3G Slide, they sucked ass, I tried them. Flaky wifi and bluetooth don't make for a "stable modded" experience. The jump from 2.1 to 2.2 was certainly a big deal as it was a completely new underpinning for Android and opened up "move to SD", an important function for RAM-starved early phones.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] MT4GS:
I apologize in advance for what follows ( (which may look like flame: it is not!), but ARE YOU DUMB or something?

The moment YOU have voluntarily posted your comments or opinions on the web, the same moment they have become object of public scrutiny and subject to comments and replies, obviously (!), so what are you - a kid using forums for the first time in your life or what? Can't take a different opinion? ROTFL

Don't tell me again to "stop" :laugh: golly gee, kid, if you don't want me (or anyone else) to comment on your posts then simply DON'T POST ANYTHING, it's as simple as that, lol lol lol :laugh:

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I pride in fact that my house is a pure "Apple-free" zone, and always has been - not just because I dislike Apple (that too) but for many reasons.

Yet if Apple would have come out with a best smartphone meeting all of my requirements...? I would buy it next day without hesitation.

I don't think you're an asshole, but I do think your skewed "hatrence" towards Apple is somewhat a type of "fanboism" (just reversed 180 degree, an "antifanboy").

I have no brand loyalty nor disloyalty, I just do (buy) what's best FOR ME, I couldn't care less what "brand logo" is on a product.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] demkantor:
thats great, and your are 100% entitled to your decision.

i will say that the majority of the time that my antifanboism comes into play, im very happy with my choice. for one thing i believe sticking to ones convictions and not turning away from ones morals for temporary gain is, in the long run, a game winner.

yes its a game of sorts as most things tend to be (if you want to get philosophical all aspects of life can be called a game... but whatever)

i feel in order to win this is a must (for me not you - no flaming) i loose as soon as i have lost my moral compass. and to scrap the win/loose analogy and just simply say a man without convictions is a man without opinions or thought of his own.

than again, as nietzsche said

"convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies"

anyhow, enough back and forth flaming you fellers, this isnt a **** comparing contest and if it were i doubt anyone would care who won.

everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions and i'm greatfull there is disagreement as opposed to a world of fan boy yes men