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[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
I like your detective work on calculating the device as being S4 - with that "A" suffix. If this the case, than this device certainly packs a punch above the our MT4GS.

I also like that it has an AMOLED screen, nice.

Although the samsung is only 1mm less wide & 1mm less thick & slightly taller then the MT4GS, it does come with a 5row QWERTY.)

But then it falls short on the 5mp camera, MT4GS has 8mp.

And it doesn't come with NFC on board, that's a downer, this would have compensated for the lesser camera & made the device future proof.

All in all, its maybe not enough for me to jump ship considering the flourishing development here at XDA for the MT4GS. However, if developments for this new device follow suit I may have to think again when given the chance to hear reviews etc when the device becomes public.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
Ummm... we know all that already lol! Tmobile and Samsung's press release stated it as a S3 while Sammy's spec page stated it as a S4. There where a few posts back that had this already. Besides... thanks to David's inquiry on the subject... we have a S4 processor here like the early rumors had guessed. http://www.tmonews.com/2012/09/t-mobile-confirms-snapdragon-s4-chip-inside-galaxy-s-relay-4g/
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
This is amazing!

So according to this link, the image on the Relays specs show:

(Image is straight off of. Tmobile website http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsung-Galaxy-S-Relay-4G

a) S4 chip

b) MHL!!!

c) NFC!!!

d) super AMOLED screen

e) 5 row QWERTY

f) full Mail Exchange service!

This has become a massive win!

It becomes a QWERTY which finally lives upto the most current technology. I really will be getting one for sure :thumbup:
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
Hehehehe! Things are looking up, right? ;) What is MHL? Just curious...
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
I just updated my post with a link to the Relay on Tmo's website. It will explain MHL and everything else.

Simply put MHL allows to connect via microUSB from droid to a HDMI screen for output.

(Where currently on the MT4GS we were limited to AV out from the headphone jack (Red, White, Yellow).)

MHL is a chip (hardware), as is NFC.

2 heavyweight pieces of tech the MT4GS was missing.

This Relay looks to be the real deal! It's living upto the somewhat Galaxy S3 w/ Qwerty. Think they've just answered the Qwerty users prayers.

Things are looking very good!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
Just wanna know what are the Pros of this device over samsung captivate glide?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
A) Relay has a better processor (1.5 dual core S4 snapdragon vs 1ghz Cortex on captivate.)

B) Relays has 5row QWERTY

C) Relay has higher capacity battery.

Plus points for captivate, its ever so slightly lighter and smaller in form and it has an 8MP camera rather 5MP on relay.

I think RELAY wins for its more powerful processor and QWERTY.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] cybot_x1024:
Anyone else feel the 800X480 resolution is a bit dated?

I know you may say that this resolution is more than sufficient for anything less than 4" but what will be the implication of that from a dev's point of view? Given that flagship devices have adopted the 720p resolution? And the mid range devices are getting 540X960. So what happens to the devices like the Relay 4G that still have their res stuck at what was there 2009???

I know resolution isn't much to go by, but isn't this an indication that this will end up as yet another minority just like the DS?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
Well on the processors side...

Nvidia tegra 2 is a Cortex A9 variant while krait(S4) is a Cortex A8 variant.

I don't think the .5ghz difference would surpass the next gen processor in anyway.

Obviously judging by the ghz s4 wins. But with the technology comparison nvidia wins.\

http://www.technobuffalo.com/comparisons/benchmarked-nvidia-tegra-3-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-s4/

this is Tegra 3 but it doesn't have that much difference with tegra 2

regarding keyboard relay 4g wins indeed.

Camera captivate glide wins by 3mp different.

Also storage captivate glide wins by 8gb internal over 4gb of relay 4g.

And graphics chip I don't think any GPU can beat nvidia :)
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] gtmaster303:
You would think that nvidia would have better graphics, given the brand name, but it doesn't... I've done extensive research when purchasing this phone and its specs are at the top for QWERTYs

FACT: The Adreno 220 running in our 4G Slides easily beats the Tegra 2

But to be honest, none of this matters. Daily usable speed peaked ever since single core high clock snapdragon processors came out. Unless you're doing some hardcore number crunching, encoding a dvd, or running photoshop on your phone, it's all irrelevant
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
The S4 stomps the Tegra 2 and even matches the 3 easily. Not sure why you think otherwise but that's fine ;) Also, the Relay has 8 GB storage so not sure what you meant there either. They BOTH have 8GB storage/1GB RAM. The camera MIGHT be better but let's not forget megapixel is just a size and DOES NOT determine camera quality. Lens quality and image processing are main factors in good images. Both phones have 720 HD camcorder. Both have samoled 4" WVGA screens. Basically, same phone besides processor. The S4 is a badass chipset so I'd say it has the edge. Buttom line is... we could debate all week about this lol, both are very similar models in specs. They are both a SLIGHT step up from our DS and MAYBE worth the upgrade to some. I might wait until we see the Note 2 or the 5 alleged Nexuses later this fall/winter. I'm excited for this phone but I kinda wanna see all the cards dealt before deciding. My tech (toy) budget isn't as big as it used to be lol ;)
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
I agree but... the Tegra 2 outclassed every S3 until the Adreno 220 was added in later versions. The Tegra 3 is pretty badass but the S4 has matched it in many benchmarks/tests. The HTC One X+ will have the next big chipset from what I here. Although I do agree with ya about qwertys always getting last years tech generally. A lot of us (even myself ;)) forget that there are various/numerous versions of Tegra and Snapdragon processors...

Sorry about the double post! It usually auto merges them. My bad:o
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
S4 is a Cortex A15 variant which in its "architecture" sh1ts all over the architecture in a Tegra 3's cortex A9. However the captivate is a dual core Tegra 2. The S4's superior architecture and better clock speeds means it will p1ss all over Tegra 2 (other then perhaps Nvidia may still win GPU benchmarks slightly, however the latest Adreno drivers may put Tegra 2's gpu a run for its money.)

Yes 'Obviously judging by the ghz s4 wins.'

But with the technology comparison S4's architecture wins again with cortex A15 construction (Krait cores), which is more energy efficient then the Tegra2 or Tegra3's A9 architecture.

S4 completely rips apart the Tegra 2!

Relay form factor, kb & cpu out weigh the Capivates single upperhand with a greater camera.

Btw the Relay too has 8gb internal, same as captivate.

To illustrate the real world capabilities of a DUAL CORE A15 (similar architecture to the S4) vs a QUAD CORE A9 (similar architecture to the Tegra3) watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neayNcAQIXY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Hence, A15 architecture is superior in real world use cases.

Relay all day long for me personally.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] lbcoder:
AMOLED isn't all its cracked up to be. Better on battery though. I consider it a wash comparing to SLCD which produces much greater image quality, but sucks down the battery.

The number of pixels is nearly meaningless. You can get effectively the same thing from a 4 mp shot and blowing it up to 8 mp. The limitation here is on the lens and sensor quality. If we were talking about a high end DSLR, then sure, 8 mp actually means something.

Yeah, it actually does. Check the "overview" tab on Samsung's page. The stuff about "TecTiles" -- that's NFC. Its also listed explicitly on the tmobile product page under "features".

I'd be inclined to agree on that point. Its a pretty nice step, but not sufficient to jump from a doubleshot. Similarly, doubleshot wasn't enough of a step to jump from vision.

However since I'm coming from vision, this is a big enough step for me to take it.

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I was just about to reply on Krait ~= A15, but you beat me to it.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
Yeah, it does suck battery like a whore on a Saturday night but I love the fact about being able to view the screen in sunlight.

Remember how tmobile/samsung got the processor all mixed up? They are having to fix all the relay's boxes atm lol! Some poor bastard has to put #4 stickers to cover the threes;) http://www.tmonews.com/2012/09/samsung-galaxy-s-relay-4g-retail-box-shows-snapdragon-s3-processor/
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
Yeap, I mentioned the lack of NFC 2 posts before the tmobile/samsung sites had been updated with the latest specs. 2 posts on I clarify the goodies packed in the Relay beyond the MT4GS. At the point I mentioned lack of NFC, there was no literature to say otherwise. Thankfully Tmobile website shows NFC, which is superb!

This is jokes!!

Can't wait to leave HTC for Samsung. Had enough with HTC.

Thanks for these updates.

I live in UK, and will have to wait till these are available via ebay.com.. hope I can grab one sometime soon after next weeks launch.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] edilber:
I do not think that is the successor

it was really bad from htc stop getting this device and give it even more stupid not support android Androd 4.

that samsung is not up to mt4gs

Thanks to all who support this great phone even
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] lbcoder:
WTF are you smoking, dude?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Coug76:
Dude is from out of town. I think he is either using a translate program or working from half way through an english class. He is peeved that HTC isn't supporting our device and that the Samsung is not that big a deal.

Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
BTW, for a NFC-like payment option, check out the LevelUP app. Once you register, you can then use your phone to pay at many restaurants/stores around town. There are a lot of places near me that accept it. Also, right now they're giving you $10 credit for just registering. I noticed that credit is at least $10 but for some places they give you even more. One of my fav restaurants gave me $15 credit instead of just the $10.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] strapped365:
So I just seen something on the news for Galaxy S-4...with a 5 inch screen lol. If screens keept getting bigger were gonna need backpacks for batteries.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] gtmaster303:
I think we're going to start seeing bigger screens in smaller packages. Edge to edge displays are going to be the new feature to look for, going forward. The Droid Razr M looks amazing, but it's a fairly small package. It's essentially the same specs as the OG Droid Razr, but a MUCH smaller package.

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4974&idPhone2=4101

Lol Just wait next year for the iPhone 5S to have the same screen. It will be a 4.2 inch screen edge to edge, the biggest innovation since sliced bread :silly:
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
Get you one of those man purses... a murse. LOL
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] strapped365:
Got me a real nice crown royal murse :D. Maybe it will come in handy when I jump ship LOL
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] WeekendsR2Short:
If we could get HTC to supply the battery for it we could cook breakfast on the back too! :laugh:
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
Yeah, I heard that too. It's gonna end up as the same size as the Note lol! About the edge to edge screens... they better make some super strong bezel cause one drop and that screen is gonna crack;) Also... I heard the Relay is coming out this week. Anyone making the switch early or you gonna wait until the Note 2 or 5 Nexuseseseses in the next coming months?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
Tmo news says 19th (tomorrow.)

I have to rely on it coming up on ebay, as I'm in the UK.

But will grab one as soon as I find available.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
Thanks for confirming! I thought it was the 19th but wasn't sure.... Hey, doesn't tmobile uk have some really nice qwertys? I have an old friend in the uk who uses tmobile and they have all kinds of phones there. Tmobile usa is really tiny with few phones. Just curious so you could use 3G with the correct frequencies. I guess there aren't many world qwertys with glide and desire z being the last I can remember. They don't really make too many cell carrier specific phones outside of the us, I'd imagine...
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
For me I'll pass :( really loved the device but I can't live with a phone that does not have an FM Radio.

All my phones starting from the nokia non touchscreen/non colored one have a funky flashlight and an FM Radio :D I can't live without them anymore. Mobile data on our country is expensive so can't go with the streaming radios in playstore,
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
I'm not sure if it has FM radio or not. I just checked around and there is no meantion of one. That doesn't mean that it doesn't have one though. I guess we'll know tomorrow for sure...
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
Cool.

Nah dude, in the UK we have sh1t selection of qwerty devices.

Desire Z is still kinda the only viable option for a ANDROID user. My previous 2 devices had to come from the US.

Stats prove that the US users have a big love for qwerty devices, whereas in Europe they have there eyes on slate phones. Hence you guys get the best options. As long as the US option is GSM I have no issues running your devices here in Europe.

Keep us posted with anything. I wonder if any of you US cats can get into a TMobile shop to get a hands on feel of the Relay and possibly report back with your findings. This would be super
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
not gonna bite this one

Sorry to hear that... it's pretty much dead here on decent qwertys this year and varies GREATLY on your particular cell carrier here in the US. Tmobile usa has had nothing but lower end qwertys since our DS and this Relay seemed interesting. I've been reading through various reviews all seem to say these similar things: display is nice and crisp for its size, very speedy with games/multitasking, build quality is solid but extremely boring/plain, camera/camcorder is poor, battery life average along with call quality and speaker. So... to me, it seems this is not work the money. Way overpriced for midrange device imo. I'm gonna wait on something better like the Note 2, Nexus, or HOPEFULLY HTC will redeem themselves by the year's end. I was leaning on getting this but most signs point to don't waste my cash :( Plus, this seems to be a tmousa only device which means development with be similar to our DS or worse... So, to sum it all up, crappy housing/camera, one step up processor/ram, average or less everything else isn't gonna do it for me. Too bad cause I was really excited to have a samoled screen :(
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
Whoever gets this device specially dillalade please tell me if it has a built in FM radio or not. Yeah I must say the design is just too plain but knowing that it's S4 I can't help but wanting it. But the camera is a big down for me... Anyways I am planning on getting this if it has a FM Radio only as a secondary phone. I still want the doubleshot more.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
I did read more after our last reply about the fm radio and it isn't mentioned anywhere:( I'd bet with 90% accuracy that it doesn't have one. I'm sorry guy. I was leaning towards this thing myself but not after all the average/sub par reviews. The camera being crappy (I kept telling myself MP doesn't mean everything. Maybe it has a better lens/image processor/etc), poor build (like typical plasticy pre galaxy s iii samsung quality), and overall mentioning of midrange/average on everything makes me turned off to it. Sadly though, sh!t like this will finish off the qwerty forever for developers. It will become a kiddy/grandma phone like most are these day. HTC pretty much killed them off while Samsung just put the coffin. I hope I'm wrong but it's not looking good this year for qwertys, period:(
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
I agree, the Relay to look at looks F-Ugly!

Also that the typical plastic type sammy housing also is duff.

Shame about the negative reviews on camera.

When I get to see some hands on youtube vids with the device, I will be able to make a clearcut decision.

But, iffff anyone US side, happens to be passing Tmobile store and could give the Relay some hands on time, I would appreciate your feedback.

Cheers guys
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] strapped365:
I actually have a tmobile store about 2 minutes from my house and I got a few minutes to kill so egh why not, ill make a trip up for you. Anything your looking for?

*edit*

Ok so they have no display models, and none for sell, all they have is a dummy phone so they told me to come back next week
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
Big respect for checking instore so quickly!

Whenever you get the chance, your hands on feedback to the general hardware, couple of photo/video tests. And mainly the tactile feedback from the h/w kb button presses/layout is what I'm after. As well as the durability of the slide mechanism.

All in comparisons to the MT4Gs. Thanks again

For now I just seen this review video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Zg34OZMgU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

At 3min20 this guy gives me a good feeling about the h/w kb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD3M7ugRoZo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Someones uploaded a 720p video sample taken on the Relay (by the looks of, it fulfils my camera needs.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm8VhdItRFQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
Again check if an FM Radio exists for me ;) don't really care about looks just as long as I find it feature complete.

Seeing the specs I still prefer having my mt4gs as my primary device though... Will be using relay 4g as backup.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] strapped365:
the TMO store is only like 1 mile from my house so it didn't take long at all...ill keep checking with them and may record me playing with the thing for you guys

Will do guys as soon as T-Mobile gets on their gonna let me play with lol.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
Looking at the video you quoted looks like no FM Radio so no go for me :p

The guy navigated the app drawer and I don't see any FM Radio next to evernote app. Can't see anything either on the music player tabs.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
That's a shame dude.

For me personally FM Radio would be considered a 'nice to have' rather then a 'must have' feature..... but nonetheless its a rich feature to have on a device, I agree.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Kaczman:
no relay forum?

Any idea why theres no relay forum on XDA?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] onebornoflight:
I got some hands on time with one the day it came out - here are my thoughts:

Definitely feels a lot like the DS with regards to how it fits in my hands. I like this a lot actually. I didn't find it unattractive at all and the Screen is gorgeous. Loads internet pages quickly, much moreso than my doubleshot in the same town. Overall if the price ends up right over christmas I'll probably get the phone, unless a more worthy QWERTY comes out and I'm not liking the odds.

Touchwiz - meh. First thing to go for me if I bought one.

Camera - not as good as my DS even without stock DS camera app.

It didn't feel overwhelmingly cheap or light either though the plastic kinda LOOKS that way.

There... those were just my immediate things I noticed lol... one of my buddies works for TMo though and he's getting one next week so I'll get to have some fun with it before long.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] crimedave1987:
im REALLY sad that htc desided to stop making qwerty phones im about to send a sad note to them :) (htc prob wont care)
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] cybot_x1024:
Its a bit too soon for that I should think. Though I'm sure it will be added when the phone is available.

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Yeah, quite sad. It sucks that the MT4GS might be the last of their phones I ever own. I hope they come to their senses soon and go back to making them.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sinistersai4d4d:
Might have to switch to the Droid 4. It's a nice phone, but I really didn't want to go to Motorola/Verizon if I don't have to. Maybe we should all just accept the fact that we're in the minority and they don't really care about keyboard enthusiasts?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] lito99:
Seems like we really are a minority, the worlds overrun with slates x( I might just buy another slide if mine breaks down, even if off craigslist, I love my fone
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] crimedave1987:
hmmmm well i think for as an idea we all as a ream should send them cards at once and see if they at least have a bit of care for htc customers
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Coug76:
They don't.

HTC don't care. HTC does what it wants.

I think my next device will be a Samsung (ugh).

Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] lito99:
OH noo, say it aint SO! :eek:
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Fuzi0719:
I've had 4 HTC phones, been pretty loyal to HTC. But, unless they produce a new Nexus, this is my last HTC. I'm tired of them abandoning their stuff (I also have a Flyer tablet they've abandoned). From now on I buy nothing but Nexus.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Coug76:
It's definitely the last Carrier branded phone I get. The combo of carrier branded and US only release has made development extremely challenging (and a great credit to our talented devs). When I had the Glacier there were devices on other carriers (HTC Panache).

Having said all that I still love the DS...

Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] onebornoflight:
I will probably be getting the relay soon myself. Already sent an angry goodbye to htc through their "contact us" text entry and got 403 forbidden. That said it all. Lol.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
You are forbidden to rant hahaha!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sino8r:
Speaking of the Nexus... anyone heard anything else about the 5 for 5 years from 5 companies coming for the holidays? Or was that a load of crap? I was hoping for a qwerty Nexus from Moto maybe. There was that sketch from many months ago. Just wish we knew a bit more cause atm ... I'm leaning towards the Note 2. Man that thing looks badass but I'd look if we had something along the lines of the moto photon. Just somehing a tad bit more modern than the Relay.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] gtmaster303:
Lol, someone is already selling Relay digitizer assemblies on eBay for $200

Don't drop your phone anytime soon guys :P
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] WeekendsR2Short:
From My Cold, Dead Hands.....
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] psygnosi:
Got my Relay and sold my Captivate Glide. Difference is like night and day. Snapdragon S4 is fast! If you love the Glide's keyboard you will definately love the Relay's keyboard also. Battery life is better too. Fyi.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Riyal:
Could you take some camera shots? Would like to have a sample night, day & macro shots :)
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Ohgami_Ichiro:
Almost all the Samsung phones Digitizers go for that. They are an LCD/Digitizer combo assembly. So if one of the 2 die you have to replace both. Most of the industry is moving that way.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] pudgybunnyBry:
I snapped a few photos of my cat with my Relay. They are basically the same shot, but messing with the settings.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pmyxnlmaf4vv7lf/VTrPGjTg5G
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] gtmaster303:
Lol that's one lazy looking cat