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[Windows Phone 8 General] ROCOAFZ:
With WP7, all you have to do is hold the windows key and say start flashlight.

No search for app needed... and it turns it on for you ;)
[Windows Phone 8 General] redviper666:
Only for the 820. The 920 has wireless charging integrated.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Zzero:
I have a Sensation XL, I bought it like 4 months ago and next week I will sell it and wait for the 920, I think is pretty amazing, Nokia is back :)) I just hope that WP8 will be as good as the hardware.

Sorry for my english :)
[Windows Phone 8 General] Megneto:
@Zzero

From my own experience of using all major platforms (i.e. Symbian BB, iOS, Android, and WP), I feel WP is the most efficient OS and like iOS provides the best user experience with its natural flow of information, great performance and stability, unlike android which lacks in every one of these aspects.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ianeb:
I am a happy GS3 user, but, I will be taking a look at this phone when it's out. The more I read about the phone and WP8 the more I like the sound of the whole experience. I had a Lumia 800 when it came out and whilst I enjoyed using it, the app store was very sparse, the 4" screen too small for me and there were a few bugs etc but things have moved on since then! WP7 was generally a very nice OS, slick, stable and functional.

I can only imagine that almost a year on and with WP8 Nokia and Microsofts partnership has gotten better which is great for the user :victory::victory:

I also like the idea of having Windows 8 across my laptop, phone and tab (very interested in surface)

Thanks for the insightful thread guys, it's always nice to read unbiased comments on other OS's and devices. I for one am no fanboy and will move to another device or OS as and when I feel it offers a better experience for me. Plus I just love technology and gadgets :D
[Windows Phone 8 General] steve adams:
My thoughts too. The same flow on my tablet, phone, desktop and notebook. I'm down for that. What is the app selection like for windows?
[Windows Phone 8 General] ianeb:
Wasn't great when I had the lumia but we are talking almost a year ago!

A current user of wp can give a more up to date answer
[Windows Phone 8 General] circleofomega:
Just like me bro...but I was an Android fanboy but I realized its like in the Matrix? How deep the rabbit hole goes? The more u tinker, the more it can be tweak..And it just goes and on....and not like the OS flies after that...worse sometimes...

Anyways..I'm looking forward to WP for only AND only its security...if anyone is interested I can share some articles...

Sent from my DROID RaZr.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ianeb:
Im interested for sure :good:
[Windows Phone 8 General] circleofomega:
This one changed my viewpoint about Android and iOS completely.. (and finally helped me in deciding I need to go for WP)

http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-dodges-black-hat-2012-certificate-vulnerability

It is not only very educative and informative but also unbiased and sincere...

This one here is also a nice write up:

http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-beefing-security-windows-phone-8

A couple of more around, but need to hunt for it..
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
full phone backups makes the first link a non permentant issue. both ios and android can image the entire phone to sdcard, and/or restore from that image again in4-5 minutes. exchange.... .mmm... not my favorite.

the second link, I don't get the reasoning behind wp's encryption of the phone, but not your private, personal images and videos on the card? also, no documents allowed on the card? odd.... I thought sd's were for storage?

encrypting the entire sdcard and phone on android is trivial. ios..... oh, still no SD....shame
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
Aren't there ways to get mall-ware on android and iOS? especially on rooted android, if users are not careful?

I'd rather worry about them than using weird middle man attacks. And shouldn't the superuser ask the user if the wipe command should be allowed or not? What kind of android were they testing on?
[Windows Phone 8 General] Adam.h.ogle:
Wiping an android has nothing to do with root. It is a priv given to apps tht register as device admins, such as the mail app. A friend of mine did a proof of concept a while back to accomplish the same thing with man-in-the-middle attacks...fun times.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
anyone can install mall ware, yes. that's social engineering, and will work on all platforms. all of them.

I wondered about super user asking also. either way, root looks like a benefit again, allowing full phone backups and restorres.

interestingly enough, it also looks like another reason to not use exchange.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
Hehe.

I sometimes forget not all android phones are rooted:)
[Windows Phone 8 General] Megneto:
Do you expect an 'average' user to root their device? I am sure barely few %age of users does that. Average user just want the damn thing to work as it should be right out of the box.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
No, which is kinda why it is stupid to have to root your device in order to have better protection for it...
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
working out of the box, yes.

exploits for exchange users, well, yes. sorry, I have zero exchange experience. hopefully this will continue. ;)

requires root for "more" protection, no. having root is a bonus, but should be considered a neccesity.

the ability to image the entire file system, and restore it to yours or a new device is a huge plus to me. when hardware breaks, restoring is only 5 minutes away when a new device is found.

I believe wp8 is supposed to have full backups?
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
Exchange is great I don't get all the hate, it has no more holes in reality then any other email server and the only reason the holes are so well known is because its such a wide used product. Its by far the best to administer, what can beat exchange and ad for admins?

To answer the question yes Windows phone 8 has full backups and also encryption with secure wipe etc. It will be the most secure mobile os when it comes to market. This was a big miss in 7 esp as I have managed to break both my HD7 and Lumia's in there life.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
backup to SD, or just pc-required backups?
[Windows Phone 8 General] lrhage:
To Skydrive too.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
so its not possible to image the phone to sdcard?

will the PC have to use zune ( or metro/8 ) to make the backups?
[Windows Phone 8 General] leventccc:
I don't really care about the camera and I think lumia 920 is good because as a one x user 4.7 inch is just a little bigger than the perfect. 4.5 is that perfect screen size and battery of 8x is only 1800mAh and I don't love the home button that comes with ativ s. And I think using phone with gloves and wirelles charging is cool.
[Windows Phone 8 General] tboy2000:
Agree. I love the look of the phoen except for that darn home button design which sticks out like a sore thumb and obvious. :(
[Windows Phone 8 General] undercover:
Another possible WP8 user checking in.

Reasons i am looking into it, or nokia lumia 920 to be precise.

Pros.

Amazing, amazing, amazing camera. Anyone with kids will understand why this can be so important.

Bored of android. Yeah, flashing is fun and all... But android gets clunky after a while. And flasing gets boring. And it takes too much free time ( ORD anyone?).

Lumia has top notch hardware. Not groundbreaking in any way, but probably one of the best combos possible at the time.

Cons.

If one chooses WP he better loves it. Or he is going to be stuck with it for the length of the contract. Or with not so top of the range Android phone if he decides to sell lumia as resale value is likely to go down very quickly for such not so established os. Reason i am saying that, is that you cannot change anything, ANYTHING on it. Even iOS is better looking from that point of view. Where android is absolutely the safest bet possible. Don't like something? More than likely someone else didn't like that and has built a custom rom with fixes/changes implemented.

So, as much as i would like it a go, i will read and read and read before i decide ( and probably drive myself nuts in the process). So, lumia 920 ( HTC WP8 devices are horrendous/ugly IMHO) is one phone i will keep very, very close eye on for a while.

Thanks formsharing your thoughts guys, definitely picked up a few noteworthy points.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
IMO the customization is really not as bad as most people make it out to be.

you can customize the look for your home screen, you have nice themes integrated in the OS, the live tiles are making up for A LOT of the lacking customization problems. The homescreen is static on your android, and consummation does take a lot of time to get right. Live tiles are awesome for that matter.

Anyway, the butter-smooth OS usually makes up for that.

You have a few automatically updated UI elements. The lock screen can also change each day with bing images if you opt to.
[Windows Phone 8 General] undercover:
I am not talking about home screen customisation. I am talking about missing features. Btw, does it have hotspot?
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
yes. It does.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dadstar:
I agree, the camera is good, but have you seen the low light pictures the 920 takes? They are awful. This is the feature I am not sure about with the 920, and it is the main reason why I'm not sure whether to get the 8X or the 920.
[Windows Phone 8 General] The Janitor Mop:
Wait, what? The 920 is supposed to have excellent low light camera capabilities. I've seen actual 920 photos in low light situations (the Central Park test), and they were better than all the competitors images.

If you think the 920 camera is bad, why would you think the 8X low light performance would be any better?
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dadstar:
It's not that the lowlight camera is bad. It's actually the opposite: it is too good. Nokia overdid it: the pictures look flushed, as if color has been taken from them as opposed to the One X and SGS3; the pictures end up not looking like they were taken at night; and it looks like there is a bright floodlight right behind the camera, making the picture look really bad, IMO. I have heard that the 8X has the One X's camera technology. That is more than sufficient for my purposes. It would be nice to have good lowlight camera when needed, but the One X is good enough at that. Granted, not as awesome as Nokia's, but I have my reasons.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Greywolf_Ghost:
I am switching to Nokia after a good 10 year run with HTC. They make good phones, but there is just so much the Lumia does I want.

Firstly City Lens. May end up not being what I always use, but info from pointing the camera down the street.

Second Nokia Transport. Good for bus times and all, and getting better each day.

Third Nokia Drive In side by side to HTC Locations Nokia beat my Radar 4G. To be fair it was a Nokia 900 so I can't say for sure the 920 will do the same to the 8X, but it did give me the impression Nokia has there stuff down!!

( Also Locations now wants money from me so it's unused)

Does Nokia have a fee also?

Last I think Nokia phones look better. I was just left feeling uneasy after seeing what HTC did with the 8X and 8S. This is just my opinion, my taste.

If you like the new HTC's it's all good, but I was less then impressed. And that is the only thing I can knock on HTC about, as I know the phones will be good, but for me Nokia is just slightly better.
[Windows Phone 8 General] The Janitor Mop:
Learn a little bit about photography and you'll understand that the likely way Nokia achieved those low light images was by having the shutter stay open for much longer than most phones and by bumping ISO up. Primarily the shutter. Most phones can't leave the shutter open that long, because people's hands are way too shaky and such a shutter speed would produce a blurry image as a consequence. Nokia took advantage of their mechanical stabilization; because shakiness isn't a problem, they decided to let the shutter stay open for much longer than most phones in low light scenarios.

Basically, if you don't like how artificially lit the 920s night photos look (and that's a legitimate opinion), you can easily play with manual settings to get low light photos that look just like what any other phones low light photos look like.

And here's where I argue that the 920 is a better low light shooter: it can take these slow shutter speed shots that capture more light in the frame OR it can take your traditional low light phone shots which hardly capture enough light to see anything. It can fulfill your tastes, whatever they are. Further, I would even say you could play with settings enough to reach a sweet spot, where you're getting more light courtesy of a slower shutter speed, but things don't look too artificially lit.
[Windows Phone 8 General] 66stang351:
Will require Zune for Win 7 or older PC and a new Win Phone app for Win 8 PC.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
bummer. no sdcard , and still no real backup scenario.

OK, ill wait for wp9 or whenever backups become a priority.
[Windows Phone 8 General] katamari201:
I keep on hearing about springs and such for the stabilization. It's mechanical I assume. Won't it wear out over time? And how can you turn it on and off if it's mechanical and jiggly? Haha I'm thinking of a slinkie.
[Windows Phone 8 General] undercover:
Well.... Yes and no. More mechanical components = more chance of something breaking. However, I do believe in Nokia. They must have tested it well. Also, OS is not something that Nokia invented, it's been out for years now. Newer ones are electronic (VR, IS, and whatever names other companies use), they do some stupid number of adjustments per second using tiny motors and even they serve a very long time. Mechanical has a lot less components involved, so i guess it's safe to say that it'll be on for a lifetime of the phone (which in my opinion is 3-5 years).

Also, as far as i understand they will implement some sort of digital enhancement. As someone mentioned above, photos look OVER manipulated. Don't know if this is correct, but if it is, and you CAN turn it off it's a bonus. I'd rather sacrifice few f stops than have massively digitally enhanced image.

Source: me brains and a few years of self learning about photography. http://progressionist.deviantart.com/gallery/
[Windows Phone 8 General] dgjlee:
The 920 is too heavy and chunky.

Weight and thickness	comparison: iPhone 5 - 3.95 ounces, 0.3 inches / Lumia 920 - 6.5 ounces, 0.42 inches
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
This is true the 920 is a fat mother of a phone. That said there are alternatives if that's your gripe like the 820 or if that's to low end the Ativ S (still big face but really skinny). The HTC 8x hits the middle ground still big but a bit slimmer and a bit lower spec.

Also Though it seems diff in the USA here in the UK the iPhone adds up to more than double the price in its lifetime. I know this shouldn't be an issue when going at it spec to spec for best smartphone it is still worth a mention.
[Windows Phone 8 General] dgjlee:
It's a shame about the pocket ripping weight else the 920 is the winner by far. It seems the Ativ-s is not getting much love round here and I cant work out why?
[Windows Phone 8 General] Yakkaimono:
I personally don't see the weight even remotely as a deal breaker to such a well rounded phone. My Lumia 800 with the case that it came with weighs 157g and I'm used to it. Never thought of it as heavy. It's 28g less than the 920 and considering the large jump from 3.7" to 4.5" I will gladly accept the weight. I currently play around with an One X occasionally and it feels a bit too light for me for it's size. :confused:

But I'm sure putting the 920 in ones pocket won't drop the pants or rip the pockets. :D Compared to that weight, my wallet and keys are much heavier. I think it all comes down to if you really want to get used to the dimensions or not.

I personally just don't like how little Samsung is actually trying to do with WP8. It feels like there is no commitment at all. They just took the US version of the S3, changed the design and put WP8 on it. Nothing special hardware wise, design wise or software wise. Of course the GS3 hardware is very good but I personally felt like they could have done more. Maybe that's why they are getting less attention.
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
Are people really complaining about a phones weight?
[Windows Phone 8 General] Yakkaimono:
There will be always stuff that people will complain about. The 920 doesn't leave much room for complaining other than the missing sd card slot (which most people have seem to get over by now after seeing the 8X doing worse in this regard) and weight.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dadstar:
How is the 8X a lower spec phone? It's the exact same thing as the 920, only lighter, less storage, and a non-Nokia camera.
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
Also the screen is lower resolution less fast refresh and less bright and does not have pure black, no wireless charging, the camera is not pure view as you said less on board storage, no ultra sensitive screen, smaller battery. I think that makes it lower spec. If you want more examples of why its not the same let me know and I will carry on.

The 8X is a disaster for HTC, if they put sd card it would of sold like hot cakes but without it there is nothing that sells this phone, at least with sd they could of sold it on the bases of music but now they messed that up.
[Windows Phone 8 General] dgjlee:
I just cannot fathom the decision making process to leave SD card use out of the 8X but put it in the 8s. Crazy. HTC are losing the plot.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dadstar:
That means the One X is a low spec phone, according to you.
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
I never said it was low spec, I said it was lower! and I may be wrong but the one x has 32gb storage and yes I would say the lumia 920 is higher spec then the one x. I also stand by what I said it is a disaster that they missed out on the storage as the only real thing it had going for it was the dual amp that is now rendered useless. Past that the 8x is on par at best with the 820 and even that has sd and the ability to make it wireless charging.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dadstar:
It comes down to the performance for me, honestly.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Megneto:
@dgjlee

Probably due to perception that most high end phones from samsung feel 'cheap and plasticky'. Something which I can testify to as well (courtesy SGS + SGS III, SGS II feel bit better IMHO).

But from what I know, ATIV S is going to follow in steps of Omnia line of phones (I still have fond memories of Omnia i900 I used for many many years).
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
The one x has a horrid lag thanks to the overlay htc bolts to its phones. Once that's removed its quite nice but if the processing speed is all you worry about as I said the 820 has the same mem and S2 processor as wel,l and is over £100 cheaper than the 920 and will be cheaper than the 8x. Does this mean though you think the 820 is the same spec as the 920?
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dadstar:
I never said anything about the 820 at all in any of my posts. And I never said the processor was all I worried about. I said it will come down to performance. The processors and cpu frequency is the same on the big three, so i can't compare. I'm saying that I cannot judge these phones based on what's written on paper. People with LG Android devices will know what I mean when I say that.
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
You are correct YOU didn't mention the 820 I did. You said that higher quality screens bigger battery's better cameras ultra sensitive touch are not rated as higher spec. That it goes purely down to speed and responsiveness. I was pointing out if that's the case then the 820 would also be one of the top tire not just the 3. And if that is the only thing that matters then the 820 will also be the cheapest of the bunch.

Android has diff performance on same hardware because the oems gets a framework and they then build over the top of that and if they are good or bad at this it will effect performance. Windows Phone lets oems add software but they do not touch the os MS even pushes updates bypassing the oems. You will get a tiny bit of diff maybe as there are other factors but overall if its the same hardware you should get almost the same response. Thus if you don't care for the other bits involved you should just go down to carrier and price making the 820 the logical choice hence why I said about it.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Dadstar:
I said that when comparing the 8X and the 920 for me it will come down to the hands-on experience (aka performance) before I make a decision. I never said that that is all I look for in a phone. Trust me. I know what I am looking for.
[Windows Phone 8 General] lumpaywk:
That is a very good way to choose after all its not a one glove fits all. The Lumia 920 is a large lady to say the least and unless you need/want the extra features then its probably not a great choice as after a while it will feel really heavy and bulky. The thing I am saying is, you said the Lumia 920 is the same spec as the 8X when the 8X is more on a level with the 820. I am not saying the 920 is a better phone for you or for anyone else I would never umbrella everyone hence why I am getting my wife the Ativ S etc. What I am saying is that the 920 is the highest spec Windows 8 phone shown so far by a long way and you saying its the same as the 8X is just plain wrong.

Also it does look like the Lumia is not only a fat lady but an expensive one as well :( though I am expecting this as I will be going with ee for that 4g goodness.
[Windows Phone 8 General] morpheus1982:
Exactly. While I have no choice but to get the 8X (or Ativ), and with no complaints. A 190g Lumia 920 is only 10grams heavier than my current HD7, which I do not consider to be heavy.

Go grow some muscle peeps LOL. :)
[Windows Phone 8 General] Pickx:
Of course weight is important!

Two years ago I bought an htc Desire Z. It has a qwerty keyboard which was very important to me but it is also quite heavy at around 180 grams (as heavy as the lumia). Most phones were around 130 grams at the time.

But non-qwerty phones should not be nearly this heavy especially now when phones are getting even lighter. I mean 185 grams for Lumia when the GS3 is 133 grams? That's a 40% weight increase for... inductive charging? That's bull****. Not even talking about the iPhone 5 (112 grams...)
[Windows Phone 8 General] morpheus1982:
Pureview camera sensor, and inductive charging may be enough to add another 50grams. How heavy was/is the Lumia 900?
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
25 cents. that's the difference in weight between the lumia and the iPhone.

time to roid up homie.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Pickx:
Again, I'm typing this from a 180 gram-Desire Z which I have been using since launch, and before that I've been using a pretty ancient smartphone that's even heavier. I can handle heavy. My point is, phones without physical keyboards should not be this heavy nor this thick in Q4 2012, and Nokia completely dropped the ball here.

50 grams (70 for the iPhone 5) is a very noticeable difference, and there's no reason to cover Nokia's mistake. I very much want this phone to succeed, for the record, but this criticism is very much deserved.
[Windows Phone 8 General] undercover:
Agree. Too heavy for what it is.

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[Windows Phone 8 General] morpheus1982:
It will remain to be seen when other manufacturers throw in QI wireless charging. Will all the current skinny phones spawn fat wireless charging equivalents?

Assuming that is the reason for the girth...
[Windows Phone 8 General] StevieBallz:
Most likely the Camera + OIS play a bigger role in that regard.
[Windows Phone 8 General] undercover:
Camera can add more thickness, but not that much weight even with OS. It's spring loaded AFAIK, not electronic. Most likely induction charging. Maybe heavier screen panel too.

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