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[Motorola Photon 4G] lamborg:
I was wondering how much difference would the ICS make that would actually be visible or can be experienced.

Thanks for your opinion.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dragontology:
What are you comparing the Evo LTE and GS3 to?

Blur (Motorola's fork of Android), Sense (HTC's), and TouchWiz (Samsung's) all look more like stock Android in their ICS iterations than they did in their GB's.

The important thing about getting ICS is that we get the drivers once the source is released. That makes all the ROMs better.

To casual users, no, ICS doesn't add much, but that's a pretty weak statement even then. ICS and especially JB add a ton. I wouldn't even consider going back to GB.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ronnienyc:
Mr. Reality, I have used custom roms on all three of these phones, so I would not call myself a casual user. Still, with custom roms you get tweaks here and there (and plenty of stability issues!) but still the overall experience is very very similar. It's not as if over clocking by 20% is going to transform the phone! It's not. Believe me, with all 3 of these phones sitting here in front of me, it looks like very little progress has been made in terms of hardware or software in the past couple years. Sure the menus are in different places, et cetera, but when it comes down to actually using the phones the differences are trivial. This speaks to the high quality of the Photon, and the stagnation of high end Android phone design and the Android OS.

For example, the Evo has a fabulous screen, but beyond that the processor speed is barely faster in actual use. So it feels about the same, sometimes mildly faster. And this is with a tweaked up BlazerROM on the Evo.
[Motorola Photon 4G] peetr_:
My words. ICS is better, but not so much, it would be worth buying new phone or blame Motorola.

But I think it changes now, with Cortex A-15 phones and batteries with large capacity.
[Motorola Photon 4G] kurtcocaine:
sigh.. another tegra 2 phone gets ICS and no updates yet from moto..

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/07/att-upgrades-samsung-captivate-glide-to-android-4-0/
[Motorola Photon 4G] mstevens:
It's only confirmed when it's on my phone.
[Motorola Photon 4G] hirent:
Yeah, I saw that and got excited about ICS for Tegra 2.

Then went and re-read the 3-week old thread on Atrix forums and got deflated (again).

Screw Moto!

I'm done with them (in a few months with my upgrade).

ICS source code was released in November of last year (2011). Heck, JB has been out for 2 months now. By the time Moto upgrades the Photon/Atrix to ICS, even JB will be old.

For a company to take nearly a year to upgrade a device is unacceptable.

Maybe Sprint & Moto got together and decided to delay the upgrades in order to promote & sell the Photon Q.

From a business perspective, I can understand trying to maximize sales, but not if it is going to cost you current customers.

As much as I don't like Apple policies, I can appreciate what their customers like about the products.

In any case, the Note 2 is rumored to be offered to all 4 carriers. If it does come to Sprint, then bye-bye Moto!
[Motorola Photon 4G] XxCE0xX:
This
[Motorola Photon 4G] jbb2388:
Bingo! +1
[Motorola Photon 4G] dsims7_2000:
This Too!
[Motorola Photon 4G] kdog350:
-_-

I hate you guys :P
[Motorola Photon 4G] XxCE0xX:
Not this though
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] shook187:
Ok today I decided to take T-mobile for a 14 day ride, thanks to it's new truly unlimited plan and test out the service at my home and at work.

I sign up for something called a value plan where I put down $149.99 for the GS3 and im being charged in installments of $20 for the remainder balance of the phone, which was $549.99. I'm fine with that cause my total bill will be at or around the same I paid over at sprint.

Now this is where I get confused. If I go to the other carriers I would normally just pay the 149 dollars and pick a plan and I'll be committed for the 2 years.

Why is it that Tmobile goes about it this way? My other option was to pay something like $300 for the phone and sign up for a more expensive plan.

The way they lay out their plans are confusing. Did I go about it the best way? Am I getting the better deal?

I figure buy now ask questions later. After all I have 14 days to figure it all out.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] davidbudd1:
The value plan is for those customers that already own a phone outright or those that are willing to pay full retail for the phone. They are nice enough to allow you to make payments on the phone instead of having to pay nearly 700 outright. They reward you for this by offering their plans at a cheaper price. If you want to take advantage of the cheaper phone because of the subsidy then you can not get the value plan and you pay a higher monthly fee for service. I hope you are understanding this.

For me I always buy my phone outright so I use the value plan. Can't beat $70 a month for unlimited everything.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] joshnichols189:
Well said. Also, if you happen upon some extra cash while on the value plan, you can pay for your phone in full and knock off the extra $20 every month like I did.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] shook187:
Once i sell my Sprint GS3, I'll pay off the phone.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] babymatteo:
Best way of doing it. And welcome to the Tmobile family!

How's the service in your area btw? Were you getting LTE with Sprint?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jgalan14:
I love this plan I only pay 78$ @ month once the 20$payments are done I'll be paying 58$ at month, 5$ less with truly unlimited,
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] aznmode:
I came from sprint too and have had tmo for 2 months. Depending on where you get the phone but value plans are usually the better plan not only because your monthly is cheaper compared to classic plans ($20 more a month) but value plans have the benefit of having additional options such as when you add data to your plan. For example the unlimited plan is $20 for value members but I believe its $30 for classic members. So as long as youre sure you got the value plan then you've made the right choice...on that part anyway.

Here's where you couldve saved more. If you bought your phone from Costco, the phone retails for $389 so you pay for that out right and stay with value plans. Classic plans you pay $20 more a month ($84.99/month) but you get the phone cheaper. Kinda weird though but it seems you got it the other way around.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] shook187:
Service (data speeds) so far been great at home. Getting 14 up and 2 down. The next test is at work tonight. Its only been a few hours and im happy so far. I intend to test drive T-Mobil the full 14 days before making my decision to keep it or not.

As far as sprint goes, I really couldn't complain about the voice service. 3G data on the other hand that's another issue. Being from the Boston market we are on Sprints initial LTE roll out. My phone actually picked up LTE for a few minutes while on the highway, but who knows when the actual roll out will take place. Im impatient so here I am.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jgalan14:
Yeah voice on sprint is actually really good, Tmobile seems to have more dead spots for data then sprint but their service is much faster on data, I have downloaded roms and big apps not problems with Tmobile, watching netflix and YouTube hd is great, on sprint I wasn't able to do that after the end of last year
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Bigjim1488:
Costco lets you buy phones outright?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] psykhotic:
It depends on how long you keep your phones. With other carriers they assume you'll upgrade every x years so they build that subsidy into your price. The crappy part is that the subsidy never goes away. With the value plan you get a no interest loan or get to bring your own phone and get a killer price. The only downside is if you're a new customer and after a few months want to cancel you have to pay the ETF plus the balance you owe on your phone. It's a good way to make cancelling super expensive.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] aznmode:
Good question. I think initially you cant get walk out of Costco with the phone unless you sign up for a 2 yr plan even if you buy the phone for the retail $389. BUT....when I called after buying the phone and asked if I decided to cancel my plan would I have to return the phone. They said its up to me but I dont have to return it if I didnt want to.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] vw65bus:
This is the way I do my plan. Unlimited internet comes out cheaper. We can you find unlimited for $20 love t-mobile
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Bigjim1488:
Hmm I should try this!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] joshnichols189:
If you buy a phone on contract you just have to pay your ETF. You don't return the phone, you bought it. There is no way Costco is selling the phone for $389 retail. That's a contract price.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] wellsey1126:
I just left sprint and bought the galaxy s3. My problem is i only had sprint for 2 months but to barely get 25kb on 3g im not waiting and paying 160 a month for possible lte. So now ill have them annoy me about the etf. Just gotta find someone to buy my sprint galaxy. Tmobile is awesome so far
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jgalan14:
I sold my evo lte to pay etf, the phone was amazing I wish it was available on tmobile, I like my gs3 but the evo lte was really good as well
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] aznmode:
I called about it while I was still under 14 days so there wouldn't have been an etf. I'm only going by What they told me. They never mentioned I had to pay extra for the phone if I dont return it.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Bigjim1488:
Don't think they will let you walk away with a phone for 199 or what not.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] aznmode:
I bought it for $389. Again whether they misinformed me or not im just simply stating What information they gave me.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Bigjim1488:
Ah yea it probably goes by whose working and what not.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] OreoBoyVa:
I only pay 65 a month with my job discount and 20 dollar installment fee soon to be 45
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] AxAtAx:
Watch out for that trial crap, especially with those tmo idiots. I will NEVER EVER recommend tmo to anyone.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Bigjim1488:
That doesn't really help without an explanation.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] legend-ris:
My Router always "see" my Desire as "ANDROID_XXXXXXXXXXXX".

Is there a way to change that to sometnihng more familiar...coz, those days is to many android device around :cool:

I look everywhere and only 2. place have ability to change device name: Bluetoth and Portable Hotspot:confused:

Am I wrong and that can not be changed or ??

TIA
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stankyou:
I'm NOT sure about this but you may wanna take a look at this.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13220531&postcount=1

On CM7 device hostname can be changed from settings>applications>development

I'm not sure if this is the one that the router sees when your device is connected though. might check this later myself.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] legend-ris:
Thank You...shall try it :)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stankyou:
Looks like the hostname is the one my router sees. I didn't know that before. Lol

via xda app
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] piko72:
Hey guys, so i'm running stock rogers ics with hot r5 kernel , my problem is 3 to 5 times a day i'm losing data signal to correct this i put the gnote in airplane mode for 5 sec and disable it ,after back to normal and then it start back so do i have a solution for this, thanks:(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] piko72:
Oh cool! Thanks for the answers:confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] gregsarg:
It's not uncommon here at XDA, for a thread to go unanswered for several hours ....even days.

The reasons are many, but the best reason is simply this. Unless users have a useful and informed response, they likely won't respond at all. It does no good to guess, and simply waste time and bandwidth.

I'm no exception, but since I'm here, lets dig in a little bit.

Did your connection issue start immediately after flashing the r5 kernel ? Or did you flash the kernel in an attempt to correct the problem ?

If you started having issues after the new kernel, then it's time to investigate another one....

And if you flashed r5 to fix the problem and it didn't help ....then it's time to dig deeper.

So if you would .....please tell us a bit about the sequence of events that lead up to the issue, and I will do my best to help you solve the problem.

It's 12:05 am here ....and I'm gonna crash for the night ...but I'll jump back on in about 8 hours to help if that's okay ...g
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] piko72:
Thanks gregsarg, ok so i think a flash the kernel r3 to r5(new one) so this must be the problem cuz before with r3 everything was working good, so do i flash back to r3 to correcdt the prolem,thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] gregsarg:
Yes .....I would do that ....

And then test your performance ...

If it's satisfactory....we're good ....if not we have some other options .....g
[HTC One V] jaytxvo:
Hey all,

My girlfriend lives in Russia and she been having a ton of issues with her phone.

I guided her thru the phone unlocking bootloader and installing a recovery but she refused to continue my lesson over the phone on helping her install a new rom. So we just left it were it was and this was months ago.

I don't think she has super user access and all I really know is she has CWM installed. She has a system update, but when she tries to install it just goes to CWM. I am not sure what is wrong with her phone, but even after a factory reset, it is slow and things get buggy all the time and lately is been getting worse so I wanted to continue this process of installing a new ROM.

My question is how do I make sure she has bootloader really unlocked, s-off and if its rooted.

I want to continue helping her install a rom but without her being here, I am scared to proceed further without asking the community some questions.
[HTC One V] sohamssd:
Go to bootloader then see the top. If it says unlocked, well it is. But if you have cwm, 99% the bootloader IS unlocked. (Unless you didn't relock it again). To see if she is rooted, go to the app drswr and search for anything like superuser or superSU. Hope this helped:)
[HTC One V] jaytxvo:
She does have super user or superSU in the app drawer, but when she tries to use an app that requires root. It is not allowed nor does it ask permission in superSU.

Thanks!
[HTC One V] ckpv5:
If she has CWM recovery installed, ask her to install the SuperSU from here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1538053

Flash the CWM-SuperSU-v0.96.zip in recovery.

A system update will not proceed with a CWM installed. The OTA update works on a clean Stock ROM only.
[HTC One V] hlavicka82:
There is a new CWM recovery version 6. According to the changelog it should support official OTA update of stock ROM
[HTC One V] jaytxvo:
So she has CWM installed and I wanted to install a new rom, but when I press VOL down + power key it just boots into CWM.

How can I get into fastboot or does this mean I do not have bootloader unlocked?
[HTC One V] ThePresence:
It means I don't have to flash stock kernel when ota update comes???
[Motorola Droid X2] morphius2036:
Well Google buying Moto may have been a good thing, today Dennis Woodside announced that we will be upgrading all Motorola Devices we can to Jelly Bean and those that can't we will give you a $100 credit towards a new device.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/motorola-jelly-bean-upgrades/
[Motorola Droid X2] jsgraphicart:
Motorola is actually doing something for their customers? I'm shocked. Depending on what kind of phones they announce, this may be cool. A lot of people will probably not want to stick with Motorola though.

EDIT: The Droid Razr M actually doesnt look that bad.
[Motorola Droid X2] Insane PPC:
i want to see this happen, but i'm sure there is a way to screw over x2 users...maybe if they did though the wife would get the razr m

we'll see though
[Motorola Droid X2] Omega360:
I just saw this and almost cheered during class lol.

I'm excited now, can't wait to see what will come in the next couple weeks/months.
[Motorola Droid X2] Drunkula:
It's for phones released in 2011 and later only. When was X2 released?
[Motorola Droid X2] twitish:
Droid X2 was released May of 2011.

It would be amazing if we got Jelly Bean. That could open a lot of doors for us. (CM10 and all JB Roms due to an updated Kernel).

The $100 is kind of a lame incentive if we don't get the JB update. Who's really going to get another Moto phone? Show of hands please? :P
[Motorola Droid X2] morphius2036:
Where did you see the year it just states "All of its new and existing". I didn't see the keynote speech unless it was Apple style and was blog only on the day of event.
[Motorola Droid X2] jsgraphicart:
Well they already said that the Droid X2 was to remain on Gingerbread. So if we get anything, it will be the 100 bucks towards a new phone.
[Motorola Droid X2] king..kranium:
I doubt we will get anything....

Sent from my MB870 using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
[Motorola Droid X2] antp121:
i will raise hell for you guys to get the $100. they said it so its now in stone. since we arent getting ICS let alone JB, we MUST get it or im going back to BBB complaints. sure im not using this phone as my daily, but, hell, you guys deserve it :) and ill switch back for $100 lmao

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Broskis! that didnt take long! heres the link to register. https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/ci/documents/detail/2/motorola-jelly-bean-rebate_en-US just enter you info, pick the droid x2 and you golden. Congratz
[Motorola Droid X2] Drunkula:
I saw/heard it on the presentation, live. Hadn't seen it in print yet.
[Motorola Droid X2] tallyforeman:
I wonder what the "select smart phones" are.....
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
Probably the two newest announced phones....
[Motorola Droid X2] snowman77:
Wow . That's amazing
[Motorola Droid X2] Deleted member 4177996:
I wonder if moto is tracking me. I got three "random" reboots while trying to fill this out on my phone (cm9). Hahaha.

It will be interesting to see if this only applied to phones bought from the carrier. I have 0 interest in buying a carrier subsidized phone again.
[Motorola Droid X2] scotty1825:
I'll take the jelly bean, they can keep the money if it means another moto phone.

Sent using my Droid x2 running cm7 dx2 rc1
[Motorola Droid X2] antp121:
Your not getting jellybean or ics :P moto hates the dx2.
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
A 100.00 credit is what u will get the x2 was lucky to get official 2.3.5...if you have unlimited 3g and want to keep it you can't upgrade to a 4g phone so the 100.00 credit is useless. If you wanna loose the unlimited 3g then its a 100.00 credit and a switch to a laughable shared data plan...so either way your screwed...vzw and moto likely planned it out together

from my motorola boycotting Samsung Moment
[Motorola Droid X2] DigitalMD:
Let's see the details. I don't trust them at all. WE will see if it makes any impact. Motorola is still cow-towing to Verizon on locked boot loaders and installing root detectors. So I'm betting its nothing but a PR gimick.

Oh ,gee thanks MOTO> I got a X2 in OCt.. 2011 and you dropped support for it 6 months later, so now I can buy another Moto from Verizon for $650 and you will give me $100 . Big woop. you screwed me once, never again..........
[Motorola Droid X2] zeb carter:
Just my $0.02 US - I think if Google were to publicly acknowledge the work done by the various rom devs here at XDA and elsewhere, and especially, the cyanogen Mod Team, in advancing the capabilites of the Android OS, it would put a big crinkle in Verizon/Sprint/AT&T's propaganda about not wanting to unlock bootloaders and the bloatware the carriers put on the phones.

As another poster upthread put it, why put it on the phones if nobody is gonna use it and not contribute to the carrier's coffers? Give us a OEM interface but leave the crapware off and unlock the bootloaders if you want to sell more phones!

One thing Steve Jobs hated about Android is the ability to customize the OS. I say we stick it to Apple and continue to customize our phones to OUR liking!
[Motorola Droid X2] DigitalMD:
Don't hold your breath on any of that . Looks like the plan for Moto and Verizon is to lock everything and charge a whopping full price with no warranty if you want to root your phone., the other announcement today was the availability of the Motorola DROID RAZR HD and DROID RAZR M developer editions.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...ID-RAZR-M-developer-editions-incoming_id34132

Quote from article...

""developer edition Motorola DROID RAZR M does not qualify for carrier subsidy, which is why it is priced at $550. Besides, it will not be covered by warranty for obvious reasons.:""

Gee thanks Motorola, go lock some more bootloaders. ........

Obvious reasons ????? NO warranty >???? Have one of your hardware engineers explain to me exactly how my loading developer's software can break your lousy hardware.
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
90% or more of the buyers of phones use it stock...we are the small minority of cellphone users. There will always be bloat from carriers on non nexus phones. Hopefully non nexus google expierence phones will make a comeback so atleast sense, blur and tw aren't the only option stock users and less crap for devs to unclusterscrew for deving.

from my motorola boycotting Samsung Moment
[Motorola Droid X2] JStiner:
So what i learned is a used x2 is worth 100$
[Motorola Droid X2] tallyforeman:
"Warning: Not for the faint at heart. Warranties will be voided.*"
[Motorola Droid X2] CarlosBattousai:
I'd love Jellybean,but I really feel that's it's too little too late when it comes to Motorola.....

Motorola promises have never failed in failing. I just don't see myself sticking around with their new soft key only thing (Which I myself hate due to random menu button placement) and there new fixed battery trend.

Motorola's incompetence also plays a huge roll for me remember there crack TEAM of developers that said ICS "Wasn't possible" ? Funny I seem to remember a lone great developer launching ICS before they could even determine if it was possible. Mind you Dk gave us ICS while having to deal with a locked bootloader in his way and college.

It'd be nice to get 100 bucks for my DX2,but these new phones are not to my liking at all ~__~ I still have about 6 months before my upgrade let's see if they follow though on this promise and do a few other things for us like unlocking the bootloader.

My bet is that the only 2011 phone that get's Jellybean is the Droid Bionic :p
[Motorola Droid X2] coolpoete:
If this credit is true for us then I think it will be better than nothing, which is what I was expecting. Plus, considering the price point it means you could get the Droid razr m at no cost as it will sell for 100. The fact that they are willing to sell developer edition phones is also good. It may not be exactly what we want but it is still some kind of step in the right direction.
[Motorola Droid X2] :
I wouldn't be surprised to find out they trained the new factory employees with assembling the developer models just so they would don't have to provide warranty coverage for random hardware failure.
[Motorola Droid X2] 754boy:
I don't think I'm buying Moto again. The only and I mean ONLY reason I have this phone now is because at the time Cspire had a lousy selection of phone and it was the best droid they offered. Now that the GSIII is coming in December, I'm tempted to just sell this one and upgrade to it.
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
A few have sold more then that on ebbay lately..not much more...again though are we sure x2 qualifies...thought they said this years phone not 2011

from my motorola boycotting Samsung Moment

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Do u have unlimited data?

from my motorola boycotting Samsung Moment