yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 7 General] demandarin:
True..the more the merrier. Choice is good. For me, my choice is sticking with N7. Dev. Scene might pickup for for new Amazon, bit I seriously doubt it reach the level N7 is at right now. You have to commend Amazon though for coming pretty hard with this one. The 8.9 HD form factor sounds the most interesting to me. Could be a good reason to say I don't have an 8.9 in. Tablet in my collection yet..lol. ill keep reading reviews. If it turns out good, ill likely buy my gf one. So I can check it out myself also ;) what will matter most is how well and fluid this runs out the box. So far, I'm hearing N7 still performs better(despite some saying N7 specs trumped).

HARDWARE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS ITS SOFTWARE ;)
[Nexus 7 General] tjpallares:
Yeah I doubt the dev scene won't even come close to the nexus 7 lol. But to me, I always root all my devices. And a $300, 8.9" 1920x1200 tablet with at least one jelly bean rom is good enough for me lol. So I'm hoping that it will have an unlocked boot loader, and if not, I'm sure someone will find a way lol.
[Nexus 7 General] drpfenderson:
Ugh. That's awful. Who cares if CM10, etc, can be ported to it when even the stock experience is that bad? N7 is smooth out of the box, and even smoother with a ROM. Why would I buy broken crap for full price just because I know I can spend more time and energy to fix what should work properly out of the box?
[Nexus 7 General] leomax999:
Kobo Arc looks ok.

any gotchas?
[Nexus 7 General] Cor-master:
I have to wonder why everyone assumes the built quality for the kindles will be better? Everyone was praising the nexus for its build quality too before it was released. And that being said the nexus is still pretty solid, the people with issues are still the minority IMO
[Nexus 7 General] Mwinggg:
wondering if the new kindle fires will have the same qc issue like nexus 7? both are assembled by quanta computer corp (odm)
[Nexus 7 General] surprise123:
Ipad mini will arrive soon,may at 200-299usd
[Nexus 7 General] ncvikingx97:
Just read that thy don't have NFC, gyroscope, GPS, and some other small censors the nexus 7 has.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
I would be shocked if Apple hits that price point. Low priced just isn't their style, and they would be competing with their own iPods at that price.

Don't be surprised to see the mini at $350. And of course it runs iOS.... so there's that.
[Nexus 7 General] walscobry:
pogo pins worth anything? and double the fun?

Not seen the N7 pogo pins mentioned in this VS thread. The new Fires do not look very dockable. *** Round 667 --> FIGHT! ***

That said my N7 8GB was effectively $165 after play credit and wallet credit. If you count that free movie then shave a couple more dollars off, start counting the freebies like song of the day, etc and soon it will be effectively FREE!

I will most likely get a Fire HD 7 to go along with it. Prime is a value, free steaming and free shipping. Same deal with the freebies, Free App of the day and mp3 credits are not at all rare.

Here is an idea I am thinking of trying: Amazon and Coinstar have a pour $20 in coins to get amazon gift card and get $5 mp3 credit free. Convert $200 to change. Pour $20 ten times. Get $50 mp3 credit. Fire HD 7 now effectively $150?

About $315 for 2 of the most current kick butt tablets. In my book thats WIN.

The Fire HD for the night stand and deck at home. Just like having an amazon cash register in your home!

The Nexus 7 for the great outdoors: GPS, NFC, GAPPS. It seems like the better interface to the brick and mortal world.

Heck, if the MS Surface comes in at $199 (and it had better at least be close IMO) I'll get one of those to boot.
[Nexus 7 General] slybunda:
i dont think that you understand that both devices use arm cortex A9 cpu cores. the FK runs at 200mhz faster than the nexus7, howerver the nexus 7 has 4 of those cortex A9 cores, so i can see which tablet will last longer and provide the better experience as time goes by.
[Nexus 7 General] Lakilaulea:
Nexus wins for me, hands down. The Fire doesn't have GPS, NFC, or Google Play but has that huge a** bezel. It's heavily skinned, you can't even put your own wallpaper on it, and it's ad supported. No thanks. The Fire would be great if all you wanted it for was to read books, watch movies, or shop Amazon. If you wanna do ANYTHING else, you should probably get the N7.
[Nexus 7 General] Bigjim1488:
I'll be picking up one of those babies. I think amazon finally pulled through on the fire HD. Specs are great, price point is right and as long as their quality control is better then what I've seen with the N7 then I'll be a happy camper.
[Nexus 7 General] espionage724:
That, is pretty horrible :/
[Nexus 7 General] CrazyPeter:
Of course not, that why you would have to be a total moron to buy one. Everything is locked to go through Amazon.
[Nexus 7 General] nhoccontw:
Nexus 7 better

I thinks about hardware it is same between Nexus 7 and KF 2 .

But Nexus 7 have camera, Newest OS 4.1 Jelly Bean and KF have big apps store.

As an customer , i like Nexus 7 , it have alot of Cook rom.:D
[Nexus 7 General] barrmulio:
i'm not sure that's just it - despite hashcode's phenomenal work, the kernel still doesn't have all elements working - also since the amazon rom was build on gingerbread, most of their native apps couldn't be ported to ICS/JB - this only happened because the device was fully unlocked and so easy to dev on...we have no idea about these new tablets yet

nonetheless, they were the first tablet to get a mostly usable jellybean rom, before the N7 was out
[Nexus 7 General] adamhlj:
Lol, man , I wish I had your job to be able to afford all these fancy gadgets! XD
[Nexus 7 General] zenaxe:
Agreed. It'll be at least $150 more per unit and still outsell everything else in that class combined at about 5 to 1. LOL.
[Nexus 7 General] Bigjim1488:
I took a little stroll over to the kindle fire Dev section. They have CM10 over there. Looks like not everything is locked.
[Nexus 7 General] shinzz:
If you think that is bad, you should check some of Transformer Prime (with Tegra 3 T30) videos on youtube..

You will find some that is just abysmal even compared to that video.

That video is based on early build.. at least.. let see how it performs once it gets released next week to the public.
[Nexus 7 General] Mark930:
so are the adds on the fire going to be like the other kindles with special offers? If so that might be a good deal i actually bout a kindle with special offers because I was buying a laptop and there was a 25% off deal though the kindle. I ended up saving about $300 bucks off my Mac which paid off the kindle instantly. So there are some really good deals at times
[Nexus 7 General] alan77ss:
Too true, i have the OG transformer - and it's probably worse than the prime. I don't see how it's an 'early' build though, this is the launch model - what gets released next week is gonna be pretty much the same.

Thank god for the nexus 7 tho, i was getting pretty fed up with my apple fanboy mate laughing at my laggy android devices. the 7 has shut him up.
[Nexus 7 General] player911:
The Kindle recovers some of the lost hardware costs via filling the device with ads. It would be in their best interest to lock it down. Given this is their second time at the rodeo, they might be more successful then the last time.

Devices like the Nook and Fire are just horrible IMO. The custom builds are horrible and lacking. You start getting into semi-GPU support, wake up issues, sleep of death, flaky driver support. They are great FUN to have and tinker if you have one laying around but not to purchase with the intention of making it into a tablet. These fail the "Mom Test": You can't flash a custom rom on any of these (Nook/Fire) and pass it off to your mom.

The Nexus 7 is gold out of the box.

Tegra 3 vs OMAP: In my experience, OMAP has been more compatible with games and apps. The Galaxy Nexus uses an OMAP so perhaps they can learn some tricks from it. Tegra 3 has a plus because it gets lots of game dev support and exclusives. The Tegra 3 also has better battery saving options I believe. My Nexus 7 will still be at 100% at 6pm from off a charge at 9am (9hrs). That is pretty impressive standby time. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 will be dead after 7 hours regardless if you use it or not while running a custom CM9 rom. Goes to show the difference between official rom support and hacked roms.

There are some pretty big changes between CM9 and CM10 under the hood. Project Butter really speeds things up a lot. Going back to ICS would be a pain. And we all KNOW that game where they say, "Oh it'll have a JB update in a few weeks"... which means between 6months and never.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
It WAS, they just got through it. Considering all of Amazon's profit comes from locking you in, you can bet your house that they have upped the security this time around.

I have said this before, but with the Kindle your official support ended an entire OS ago (ICS). There will be no Jelly Bean, it will be up to the dev community to support you from day one. There is no guarantee drivers will be compatible with future android versions, and no guarantee you will ever get STABLE releases.

You want a media consumption device, get the Kindle. If you want an android tablet, get the Nexus. You will be disappointed when Nexus owners get to play with new android versions on day 1, while you wait months to possibly maybe get a functional release. But if all you care about is watching movies and reading books, go for it.
[Nexus 7 General] Tremec:
HD misleading?

IPS display with 1280 x 800 resolution (7-inch) 216 ppi

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HDMI output

- Bluetooth connectivity

- Touch sensor on top of display is laminated with Advanced True Wide polarizing filter, reducing glare by 25-percent

- TI OMAP4470 SoC, Imagination SGX544 graphics engine

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Two speakers on each end

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The first tablet to feature Dolby Digital Plus

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Dual band Wi-Fi (MIMO) supporting both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands

- Front-facing HD camera supported by Skype

These screen specs are inline with the nexus 7 specs, The underlined items are pluses to the KF ? The big minus is the OS though, the one item that affects the whole device and how enjoyable it is to use.

The 8.9 KF on the other hand looks to be full hd 1920x1200 254 ppi , 8.9" wont fit in any of my shirt pockets like the 7" does - so it would be left at home just like my 10" tablet.

My preference would be the N7 as I don't like being limited on what I can do on an item I own, I paid for it with my money, if you want to control what I can do on it give it to me for free! I made that mistake early on but no more closed devices for me.

I am sure eventually there will be a nice stable Rom for the KF but by the time that is out and stable the N7 will be wore out from good use and I will be on to the next tablet that is 2x better than the N7 or KF. I think there is a good market for the KF as it will be a good product for those that really use a reader but need a little extra for checking email, watching movies and basic surfing.

Just my 2c

I had a 10" tablet for 2 years and never once used the hdmi port, so that is no issue, speakers- nah I use headphones, Dolby well maybe a definite plus, MIMO not sure there are enough supporting access points for that to be a deciding factor either.
[Nexus 7 General] SeaFractor:
:rolleyes:

I got off a TI OMAP3 based device to move to the Nexus 7 because of Texas Instruments poor AOSP efforts for their OMAP3 chipsets. Granted it's working, but all the features for the video are not 100% and that's even with the 2.6.x kernels let alone getting fully up to speed on 3.x kernels.

Don't get me wrong, the AOSP based project dev's are really working hard and accomplishing incredible feats, but they are hampered by less than stellar support from TI for the OMAP3.

It looks like the support for TI OMAP4 is pretty good at this time, but watching how fast the OMAP3 was dumped in terms of new Android OS dev/support, I'd be concerned about the same for what ever is next after Jelly Bean.
[Nexus 7 General] mustbepbs:
/thread

Couldn't have said it better myself.
[Nexus 7 General] AznDud333:
knowing apple their stuff would probably break a day after warranty period is over, that's generally how apple makes people keep buying their stuff
[Nexus 7 General] spookykidmt:
So there will be a nexus 10?
[Nexus 7 General] tlawiv:
4470

I wonder didnt see say anywhere the 4470 clocked 1.5 or 1.8 natively
[Nexus 7 General] Ravynmagi:
Amazon's spec sheet says it's 1.5GHz.
[Nexus 7 General] leedonel:
Unfortunately, as you're all aware. As soon as you buy some tech of any description it is then 'trumped' within weeks. I personally love the nexus 7. Go to a store and play test :)
[Nexus 7 General] Ravynmagi:
And B&N is rumored to have a new Nook Tablet coming soon that will have a "revolutionary" 254 DPI screen and possibly running Windows (they say Windows 8, but I assume they mean RT).
[Nexus 7 General] Metallice:
Except the Fire HD 7 uses the vastly outdated 4460 at 1.2Ghz NOT the 4470 at 1.5Ghz.

Why do people keep getting this wrong?
[Nexus 7 General] drpfenderson:
It only gets worse: Amazon confirms there's no way to opt out of Kindle Fire ads

No thanks.
[Nexus 7 General] ncvikingx97:
That probably means a locked bootloader
[Nexus 7 General] pokey9000:
So how do you know the new Fires aren't locked down?
[Nexus 7 General] espionage724:
The Nexus 7 and Galaxy Tab 7 probably use different batteries. But even if the same batteries were placed in both devices, I wouldn't be too surprised if the Nexus 7 still came out on top.
[Nexus 7 General] demandarin:
Here it is from a developers point of view ;) out the box, Nexus 7 is gold. As a standalone unit(stock) and as running custom software. The KF HD is too much of a risk for us xda users. If you want just media Co sumption, get it then. But anything more will lead to disappoint if you have hopes to turning it into a "normal" android tablet.

Agree here also. Basically like I said b4, the Hardware is only as good as the software. With nexus 7, it has killer software support out the box being Google nexus device. So its first in line in updates. Then you have the sick developement scene here which is huge. With kindle fire, you have a VERY heavily skinned OS made to basically remove any traces of it being an Android device. Which view have shown it runs very Laggy already despite being so called "superior" in hardware specs. Xda developement not guareenteed either. This is a perfect example of how a lesser spec Nexus 7 will trump KF HD. The software will be KF downfall, as far as XDA users are concerned. Now if kindle fire HD would've used a more traditional android OS, then Nexus 7 might have something to worry about. Bit for now, Nexus 7 reigns supreme!

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THST thing will have ads running across the screen everywhere..lmfao. no way out of it. No thanks. It'll probably play ads every 30 seconds..lol it will likely be the biggest battery drainer since most of those ads are flash based. Meaning its syncing online all the time to Co stantly push new ads.

I wonder if its rooted, would ad away get rid of all the ads? Even if it does, it'll likely still leave empty boxes in it's place. I'd bet they have the ad system integrated very deeply I to the OS. Which means harder task for devs. To get rid of them. That's if the bootloader is u locked. Which its starting to sound like it isn't.
[Nexus 7 General] CocoaGoddess:
Well, speaking as someone who would buy these devices based on the "Mom" test (I am a Mom, I'm interested in Android development, but I'm not a developer and I heavily depend on this community to customize my devices), there is no way I would give up my Nexus 7 for this device. No way.

The Nookcolor was my very first tablet, and I bought it and used it before development really got going on it. It was a nice experience at the time, but being locked down on a tablet, unable to access apps and books and magazines that you've purchased on different platforms is the PITS. Knowing that whatever books and apps you're investing in will most likely be locked to a device is the PITS.

And this is from someone who liberates all of her books from DRM, so realistically I can take my books anywhere I want. But epub just does not do well AMZ conversion, and vice versa.

A skinned phone device is completely different than what Amazon and BN are doing with their tablets, and I could never recommend them. I have family members who've bought the original Fire, and find them frustrating because it is simply not as open and user friendly as their "regular" Android phones. In fact, I bought my niece a Fire back in June for her graduation gift, and she returned it and got the N7 instead, complaining about frequent reboots and jumping through hoops just to read epub books that I loaned her on her Fire.

The N7 is just so much more user friendly. It just works, perfectly, right out of the box, with no rooting or hacking necessary. Google Now is awesome and way more intuitive than I realized. I look forward to having Google support and the latest OS without dealing with carrier shenanigans. I have nearly all of my phone apps on the device, and most importantly, all of my books, textbooks, and magazines are compatible.

I am a Prime member as well, and still not enticed by this device.

Just an opinion from a woman who could be considered a "regular" tablet consumer.
[Nexus 7 General] demandarin:
Appreciate the insight.(ran out of thanks) ;)
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
One important feature the Amazon UI apparently will have is multi-user accounts, which even JB doesn't yet have. It's kinda fundamental for a "family" device. A tablet isn't just a "personal" device any more.
[Nexus 7 General] tlawiv:
ty

ty for clearing that up yesterday i wasnt up yet. I was going off the cnet live coverage. I hope it can get custom kernel to overclock it bet fly at 1.8
[Nexus 7 General] loveact:
well, at least my nexus 7 has multiple account option :D
[Nexus 7 General] SeaFractor:
Google recently received a patent for Multi-user face unlock, one they wanted in 2011 before ICS launch. I suspect that there may be others pending and this is more of the cause for delay than lack of framework. I speculate that with the patents resolved, you'll see a quick update that unlocks this feature.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=9&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=(20120904.PD.%20AND%20Google.ASNM.)&OS=ISD/20120904%20AND%20AN/Google&RS=(ISD/20120904%20AND%20AN/Google

It's very wise to have a legal protection in place for this type of function. Also, as this is a feature Apple wants to have, it ensures Google won't be infringing and may in fact be able to use it as fodder for counter infringement if/when released on the iPad.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>It's very wise to have a legal protection in place for this type of function. Also, as this is a feature Apple wants to have, it ensures Google won't be infringing

Please get off the "Apple owns the world" kick. Multiuser have been around practically forever. You don't need to have a patent to have multiuser.

JB already has hooks for MU. Some folks were trying it out before Goog peeps warned against using them, as the function isn't ready and can lead to "bad things(TM)." So, yes, I expect MU to be in the next Android release. That would dovetail with the launch of a larger Nexus device.

That won't happen until next year, however, in time for a rematch with KF3.

>You want a media consumption device, get the Kindle. If you want an android tablet, get the Nexus.

At this point, an Android tablet is a media consumption device. There's very little difference.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abo we2am:
Please help me guys, I tried to flash bootloader 0,72 he flashed just one time (because it needs to flash two times) and stopped and keep freezing in loading page, I tried to flash another bootloader and another rom, it just freezes,,, please help me.
[Galaxy S II General] SaschaHa:
Dear community,

I think, pictures say more than thousands of words:

It is (ICS/JB 4.0.3 - 4.1.1):

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It was / It has to be (GB up to 2.3.6):

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And now some information:

These issues occur only in apps with special effects (maybe OpenGL ES 2.0), for example live wallpapers like this (Inferno Galaxy) or games like Reckless Racing 2 or enything else. Pictures, videos and anything else doen't have this issue.

The subpixels seems to be like a "raster" and - to my mind - it looks like a PenTile-Matrix. The red subpixels are the worst ones.

I have this issues in every ICS/JB-based rom and in all Samsung-based ICS-kernels (Siyah, Speedmod, Chainfire etc.)

So here my theory: It could be an issue (maybe in display- or GPU-driver) which was ported from the Galaxy S3 to our S2. The S3 has a PenTile-Matrix and the S2 has full RGB-pixels, so there must be differences in the drivers.

But in fact, I didn't found anything about this issue. So: Is there anyone else with such issues?

Best regards,

Sascha
[Galaxy S II General] celderic:
I notice this on wanamlite 12.4. And have also seen it on samsung 4.03 builds too.

Using Latest siyah
[Galaxy S II General] SaschaHa:
Any help to eliminate this issue?
[HTC Incredible S] klaberte:
I use Ice Cold Sandwich on my Inc S. I am looking for a Phone app that displays my contact's photo *smaller*. The resolution of the contact photos are so low that they look pretty bad when blown up to cover half the screen. A much smaller photo would be much nicer.

I think this would be some skinning of the core phone app, but not being a dev, I'm not sure. Any suggestions?
[HTC Incredible S] SandySemenov:
If you don't change Roms everyday why not to give new and hq pics to yours contacts?

If you don't want do it manually use some apps like HD Contacts. You'll have to put pics on your sdcard and let the program do the rest ;)

Oh I forgot that pics should have the same names as your contacts.

I.e you have a contact named Dad, so the pic for it should be Dad.jpg :)

Good luck!

Best wishes,

Sandy Semenov
[HTC EVO 3D] bradxnght:
ROM Will be out sometime in the next couple days! sorry for the delay just want everything working right!​

This is my first rom and its nothing super fancy yet so please dont be to hard on me. But i do hope it turns into something bigger!​

The direction im taking this in is a stable raw performance rom, with maybe some minor theming, but i am hoping to have some themes made up at some point soon!​

The Rom:​

Sprint 2.89.651.2 base​

Un-named - 1.0.0 Kernel [Thanks to MikeC84]​

Deodexed​

Leedroid Tweaks 4.3.1 Final [thanks to Joelz9614 for letting me use it]​

Dual Core Script​

Alot of build.prop performance/ril tweaks!​

GPU Tweaks​

EXT 4 Tweaks​

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Whats to Come:​

More and more Performance tweaks​

Camera Mods​

Beats ( hopefully next update )​

Bravia + Xloud ( next update )​

addon themes​

who knows.....​

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Changelog:​

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Bugs:​

None as of now!​

Download Links:​

Superwipe [ FLASH BEFORE INSTALL WIPES EVERYTHING ]

http://d-h.st/T4d​

Download will be up latter tonight!​

If there is something you would like added let me know, no promises tho​

Hope you guys enjoy the ROM!​
[HTC EVO 3D] VictoriousShooter:
Welcome to 3D land.
[HTC EVO 3D] beneath-a-burning-turtle:
Welcome! If you ever need help, feel free to drop me a pm, I'll be glad to help :)

I'll try this if I have the chance later on
[HTC EVO 3D] bradxnght:
thanks bro appreciate it!
[HTC EVO 3D] metaphysical_calamity:
Welcome!

•°•°•IMAGIKA•°•°•
[HTC EVO 3D] bradxnght:
Just an update on the rom and download link.

Im testing this build making sure its all good and i will start uploading the ROM. so should be up soon!
[HTC EVO 3D] fourstar89:
Welcome to the word of the 3vo quick question do I need to be on the newest boot for this to work or will 1.40 work?
[HTC EVO 3D] bradxnght:
i def would suggest being on the new firmware. are you s-off?
[HTC EVO 3D] fourstar89:
Yeah s-off here
[HTC EVO 3D] bradxnght:
everything should work fine then :D