yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
Wireless charging isn't that heavy, and doesn't add much.
[Windows Phone 8 General] morpheus1982:
That is must be the fat camera sensor.

Anyway, if I could get the 920 on my network, I would get it. The moaning about weight is a non-issue for me.
[Windows Phone 8 General] acaseyb:
They are actuators (motorized), not springs. There are also electronics involved as OIS is accomplished through a feedback loop. So I'm sure there is an electronic controller involved that is most likely taking data from the gyroscope sensor as input. This is how the technology has worked for a long time - it is not Nokia's invention. Adding springs would add MORE shake, not less.

And yes, the camera sensor + OIS is the reason for the thickness. I would guess packing in wireless charging had very little affect on thickness after cramming that camera hardware in there.

edit: I think I'm only partially right here. I think I read something about Nokia wrapping the entire camera (including sensor) in springs. I'm not sure how this works as it is a Nokia innovation and I can't find any good articles about it. Hopefully someone will give us a link.
[Windows Phone 8 General] lovenokia:
I think the weight of the 920 adds quality and heft to the phone. I held the lumia 800 and 900 but the lumia 800 felt higher quality than 900 mainly because of the weight to size ratio.

Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
I need to correct you a bit:

Android uses more RAM because their JIT compiler allocates more heap memory (almost three times more) than it is actually needed, to account for bitmap assets(to give you the shiny look), which is why some CM-based android ROMS have this "allow purging of assets" setting under performance. This is crippling, as the applications do not really need that much more heap memory, and stack memory(which is much more needed than heap memory) is therefore, very limited, which leads to the need for large amounts of RAM.

By the look on your response, you are not a developer. Trust me when I say it, Windows Phone is way, way superior to Android as an operating system (mainly cause Microsoft makes OS since forever, whereas Google is stuck in their Java crap).

Also, multitasking does not require additional memory. Windows Phone also keeps things in RAM, which is why you can switch them, but it does not use CPU on stuff that are not in the foreground, except for background processes, which are Windows Phone's implementation of multitasking.

I will probably also wait for quad core CPUs for Windows Phone, but not because the dual cores are bad, but because they will cap the technology for a while, at least as far as CPU performance goes.
[Windows Phone 8 General] undercover:
Nice reply up there. I also have a feeling WP is super in the way it runs. But, it's the things you can do with Android that I like. Let's see what WP8 offers first. We didn't really have any reviews on its full functionality yet.

I also agree that 920 has wasted a lot more space than it should have. Bezels too thick.

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[Windows Phone 8 General] StevieBallz:
The Snapdragon S4 Plus that is used in the Lumia 920, Lumia 820, HTC 8X and Samsung Ativ S debuted on the MWC in February. The first phones to use it arrived in April. In benchmarks it performs similar to the Quadcore SoCs used by Samsung and HTC. There is currently only one phone announced using a singnificantly stronger SoC (the newer quadcore version S4 Pro) which is the LG Optimus G. A second phone that is likely to use this is the new Nexus (because it is based upon the Optimus G).

So in that regard this is still a top of the line SoC. So before you tell people about how bad a chip it is you better check out the facts on it first.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Megneto:
+1 Stevie

More is not better, 'efficient' is much more important when it comes to Mobile SoCs + OS. On the later count, Android is a huge looser. Even my SGS3 on JB stutters at times with its 'quad core SoC'.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
Once again, you are wrong. It is of no surprise, given that you are stuck on your "more is better" mindset.

A closed OS will always be better than an open source OS. Android, even if it is advertised as an open source, is half a closed project. Why? Because google makes the code (and does a poor job at that) then sends it to everyone else. Everyone else then makes the code run somewhat on their engines. Because Google needs to account for so many hardware variations, Android will never, ever use hardware at its full potential.

What is the point in having a quad core CPU, when more than 50% of it is used to do stuff that the user never ever needs? Because this is how the big Android phones work right now. A large percent of your hardware is used just to run the system, I'm sorry to say that, but that hardware is...by all accounts, wasted space, and the time spent making it would be better spent planting trees.

Windows Phone does not need hardware as much as Android does, because the OS uses its hardware at full potential. I am not trying to bring iOS into the mix, cause that system is not as good as apple makes it out to be. My single core lumia 800 can blow SG3 out of the water as far as performance goes, and you know why? because the system is way, way more optimized.

Having said that, we now need to look at why android even has custom ROMS. And that happens because the stock ROMs are:

A) Bad (which is true for 90% of phones)

B) No longer supported (also true for 90% of phones).

If you want your device to get new stuff, then you will need to root it and install a custom ROM on it, cause your manufacturer surely won't provide you with any upgrades.

Windows Phone at least has a guaranteed period of 18 months+OEM support (idk about others, but nokia intents to support the old lumia line for at least 2 years). Does any Android phone has that good support? no.

The fact that Android is open source is the only thing that keeps it alive, unlike Windows Phone, which doesn't need that.
[Windows Phone 8 General] circleofomega:
Nice...especially the planting trees bit..lol.

This is something unfortunately very few understand. Was having the same argument on another forum. And u know who is to b blamed? Samsung. Samsung and Samsung only has single handedly ruined any phone's ability to be optimized with its OS..."Give the damn thing more cores I say..give it more RAM"

Boom!

Sent from my RaZr 4X HD...
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
at what performance specific processes does your single core excel, that blows the s3 out of the water?
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
every single one of them?

The only thing Sg3 can win at is data encryption algorithms, like7zip, RAR and stuff like that (zip doesn't count), but that is purely cause of the number of cores, not system optimization.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Megneto:
My (now sold) Lumia 800 easily crushed SGS3 in most simple test ie app load times, e.g. youtube app loaded in half the time it took on S3. I am certainly planning to get rid of this S3 most probably for 920.
[Windows Phone 8 General] circleofomega:
Forget performance, the very fact that i have to look through a heap of icons for one tiny app is reason enough for me to ditch Android. And yes, performance-wise it crushes s3. In fact WPs are made in a way that Android will take ages to reach there.

Android is excellent for first week..second week it is good. Third, its OK. Fourth, it starts showing cracks...fifth, it stutters...and thus begins your descent in the deep murky netherworld of custom ROMs, patches, tweaks and mods. *shudders*

.

Sent from my RaZr 4X HD...
[Windows Phone 8 General] ohgood:
I thought you might list some cpu intensive tasks, or system intensive tasks.

*edited for more on topic ness to the quote

---------- Post added at 12:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:08 PM ----------

he specifically said performance, but that's fairly vague, so I'm steering towards more specific things. not really interested in a win/sucks comparison of UI elements. too much opinion involved.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Venekor:
It is confirmed 4G is useless in the UK so don't buy the Lumia 920 for it!

Everything Everywhere:

£41 1GB

£46 3GB

£51 5GB

£56 8GB

Boosters start at £3 for 50MB and ramp up through £6 for 500MB, £15 for 2GB, and £20 for 4GB

Birmingham, Bristol, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Leeds, Liverpool, London, Manchester and Sheffield

So you'll pay crazy prices to just hit your data cap even faster and you probably wont have coverage anyways.
[Windows Phone 8 General] undercover:
It will be a flop. If they want people to jump on lte they need to do unlimited. Going back to 3uk once Vodafone contract ends.

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[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
Stop reading when the guy said a lumia 800 can blow out a gs3. Lol, nice real nice. Especially when a lumia 800 couldn't keep up with a 2010 Nexus S on JB. I mean opinions are one thing but c'mon.

Then he sad loading the YouTube app, when windows phone doesn't have an official YouTube app, lol.

This is starting to get worse than iPhone users.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Megneto:
I never said 'official' but one can always find info thanks to search. There is no way around the fact that Android is a resource hog in general (ICS onward things are slightly better), hence such weird issues on good hardware persist.

Speaking of Nexus, unfortunately have no way to compare its 'performance*' as I had it only for a week, and beside when it was not rebooting** every 30 +/- mintues, it was okay at best.

If I have to rate the best smartphones I've owned, considering the factors of general performance, stability, security, ease of use etc. they will be iphone 4 & Lumia 800.

* performance and android doesn't seem to like each other (though JB seems to be better TBH but there are still times when it start stuttering).

** Stability isn't a forte for android either, as none of the droids I owned (Desire/HD, SGS, Nexus S, Sensation, SGSII, SGSIII) were/are without stability or performance degradation issues.
[Windows Phone 8 General] mcosmin222:
Yeh well, it is better off for windows phone to not have an official youtube application. Ms's one still loads faster, and windows phone can still navigate around youtube faster, official or not.

Let's not forget that almost all google apps on android are considered to be amount the worst official apps.

Upgrade your nexus S to 4.1 and then we will talk.

Besides, I'm not the one who mentioned youtube, but whatever, the point still stands

agreed.
[Windows Phone 8 General] StevieBallz:
Could we return to the actual topice - the new Lumias - instead of discussing old device vs old device for the umph-teenth time?
[Windows Phone 8 General] undercover:
My Nokia 5110 was definitely better than Sagem 920.

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[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
Google apps the worst apps on Android?

You're making stuff up now. Ever heard of the live events, preloading for slow networks, on air hangouts? That's just some of YouTube app.

You're probably the only person who doesn't want a official YouTube app.

My Nexus S is on 4.1. I mean seriously c'mon.

Let's move on though.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Crumpets:
If the hour-long video they had on the hardware support changes in WP8 is anything to go by, it is basically Windows 8 RT, scaled back a bit. Theoretically, WP8 is unlimited in the number of cores and has been optimised to work with what it has, and not necessarily a set number of cores.

But then again, most multi-core computing is handled at the Applications level anyway, and it's pointless to have a 8-core processor in a phone if the developers are only coding for dual- or single-core.

Not to mention the cost/benefit scale...

P.S. Back on the original topic, Just about everything has been said as to why you'd want a Lumia on WP8 than a Droid or an iPhone. Smoother, more personal OS, that is more stable than any Droid to date, and a certain consistency within the Metro styling that is quite a refreshing change from others. Not only that, but WP8 does everything you would expect a smartphone to do, very smoothly, from day one, and keeps doing so until it's retirement at the end of your contract. And beyond. Oh, and the 920 has some pretty slick hardware features noticably absent from other flagship devices.

P.P.S Please only quote what parts of a post you're responding to. It saves having a page full of references to TheJanitorMop's original post for a three-line reply...
[Windows Phone 8 General] circleofomega:
" performance degradation issues."

^THIS.

Sent from my RaZr HD.
[Windows Phone 8 General] vetvito:
Kernel supports 64-200 cores, I think correct me if I'm wrong though. The WP8 OS however is designed around the S4 chip only.
[Windows Phone 8 General] StevieBallz:
Launch devices are only using different variants of the S4 chips. But there are rumors around support for other chipsets (it still amazes me that Nokia went with Qualcomm Chips at all given the two companies difficult reltionship in the past). Some time ago there was an article that support for Samsung's Exynos and ST-Ericsson's NovaThor was coming. Drivers for Windows RT and WP8 are the same according to some interviews so I was really wondering that there has been no talk of Tegra 3 devices given that most Windows RT devices use that SoC (including Microsoft's Surface).

As was stated correctly before it is mainly up to Devs to actually make good use of the cores and parallel programming is more difficult and more error prone using current programming languages. Aside from that some computational problems are quite hard to parallelize at all.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neijek:
I Double checked with HTC ITALY and If I send my phone rooted etc then I will not pass through warranty.. soo I need to restore my DHD back to "stock" with root / radio / eng and all stuff back to original settings (and normal rom again).

From what I gathered my steps would be:

1. flash using the HTC program the original rom from their website

2. use visionary to reroot my phone?

3. One click Radio S-OFF tool to reverse that setting

But I'm kind of getting lost on the actual "steps" or sequence, and I'm worried I might brick my phone, could some one give me an updated guide, or just steps to do so I can do this correctly?

I'm sending it in because the home/menu buttons are broken (they lost all their touch sensibility, even under safe mode so its hw and not software).. ><

(i'm running s-off eng-off + Android Revolution HD 6.3.3 right now)

Thank you for your time.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thekjp95:
Running the right RUU might do it.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neijek:
ah cool so if i just re-install the current ruu for my device it will reset the eng-off s-off stuff and i can mail it like that? i though i would of had to run some tools to re-set those first.

Thanks thekjp. I'll wait for confirmation then do it :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GLADS:
After you solve this issue then do let me know .

Thanks

Sent from my HTC Desire HD
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vercus:
Just got my dhd from the warranty center yesterday.

I've had a eng s-off, root and unofficial rom (last - blackout ics).

Root and s-off have been obtained with a AAHK tool - so were obtaind and s-on + stock rom.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thekjp95:
I have read some other posts who tried to run a ruu but apparently they still had unlocked bootloaders. Run an 1.72 ruu and use jkolo tool
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Muikkuman:
Run the advanced ace hack kit. You'll get both stock rom and S-ON.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GLADS:
Are you sure... Did you try?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vercus:
I've tried it.

I've sent my phone to the warranty center twice - using AAHK to get stock rom and s-on before it - no problem, the phone was repaired.

All u have to do is to read the instructions first, the process of getting stock & s-on is quite simple - u need to choose a ruu, then choose a CID (if u are going to get s-on) and also confirm u want to get s-on later. That's it.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Muikkuman:
Yes I have done it.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] petrose:
Hi people.

I was using rom manager for a long time now to backup restore my roms on DHD.

A few days before i try to backup my new rom Blackout ICS Incredible v3.0.0 and my phone freeze.

I went to recovery mode and fix it.

Is there any other app to backup my phone?

Also i notice rom manager update in store.Did they fix this issue ?

Cheers
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sashank:
Use 4ext recovery. It's much better than CWM. It doesn't support as many phones as CWM, but the DHD is one of the few it does. Also any backups you've made with CWM are fully compatible with 4ext. You can get the donation 4ext Recovery Control app from Play Store which has a ton of other features apart from backing up and restoring. Alternatively, if you don't want to pay for the app, you can do everything directly in recovery too. The app is just a frontend to make it easier. Hardly anyone uses CWM + ROM Manager for the DHD anymore because this is better.

Instructions -

1) Go to www.4ext.net

2) Download 4ext Recovery Updater from there (free).

3) Run app and flash 4ext Touch Recovery from it. That's all. You can also just get the paid 4ext Recovery Control app from Play Store (worth it bigtime) and flash recovery from there instead of going to the website and doing all that I said above.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GLADS:
I Use 4EXT Recovery Updater And 4EXT Recovery Control. Its Really Good And User-friendly.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hans moleman:
+1 for 4ext.

I never use rom manager - I've heard of too many problems
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xxkid123:
I use 4ext and I really like it. You may also try TWRP, which is also a touch recovery. However, it's a flashable zip so it may be easier for you to install compared the 4ext recovery updater package (probably not much, I'm just used to flashing a lot of ROMs).
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sashank:
I don't think TWRP is available for DHD, is it?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bananagranola:
TWRP is available for DHD. I used it for awhile on my Inspire 4G, and it also works for DHD. However, I have had problems installing inspiremod for my Inspire 4G with it. It has Goomanager, which is nice. I use 4ext now though.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sashank:
Oh cool. I wasn't aware of that. I never saw a thread for it in the development forum. How do you install it? Through GooManager?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bananagranola:
Yes, through Goomanager.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pitastrudl:
dude, 4ext is the best and there is alot of support around recent roms and earlier also. go for it
[HTC One S] Flipnfr3ak:
Has anyone tried getting the dev of insertcoin baadnewz I believe to make insertcoin for the HOS? When I had a sensation I used that Rom as my daily
[HTC One S] craig1965:
Baddnwz has a HOX so I doubt we will see him here I to used his roms on Sensation they used to rock shame though
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] silentbeatz:
Hi guys, I bought the sixaxis app and got my ps3 controller to sync, but when i tried to use it for a game, there wasn't an option for using a controller. Am I doing something wrong?? My n7 is rooted and have tried the game on dead trigger. Strafe, fire and reload works during the game but I can't get the sixaxis to work. DO i have to remap something and how do i do that? thanks in advanced
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] ÜBER™:
Go into preference and under gamepad settings check enable game pad. Also turn the analog poll all the way down makes things more responsive. ;)

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] JuEv0splash:
You can also use touch profiles and those are VERY handy. I've used em on simple games like Reckless Racing as well as more complex touch layouts like Dark Knight Rises.

I'll also say that sixaxis is one of my favorite root apps. I primarily used it for emulators but figuring out those touch profiles made it even better :D
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] silentbeatz:
solitary glyzeon

thanks guys! didn't see the preference tab at first. I saw some of the .map files that other people posted for games. Which folder would i put the map file in?
[Nexus 7 Themes and Apps] gamerwiz360:
sdcard//data/.com.dancingpixels/profiles
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] diqsa:
I've tried looking for the definition of "SOD" but couldn't find it. what does it mean? (sorry if it's a noob question)

also, i've been running unofficial JB roms from Cyanogen and AOKP, but both of them randomly freeze up and restart my phone. and when they try to restart, they dont do anything after the initial samsung logo pops up. any possible explanations for that? i figured it couldn't be a bad download when it happens with two different roms...but i could be wrong. should i flash different kernels? and any way i could expand my battery life on ROMs? my battery sucks on most ICS/JB roms...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] angellsl:
Sod is sleep of death.

Did you try darkside cache wipe? That could fix boot loops
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] diqsa:
what is sleep of death?

i did, but im talking about the ROM actually working and in the middle of an application or something, it'll freeze up and try to restart. and i have to take the battery out and put it back in for it to completely boot up again.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] poramola:
AFAIK what you describe is sod. Freeze and have to take out the battery to reboot. RR=random reboots, where it reboots ant not freeze
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] sylikc:
Actually, SOD is the behavior in which the phone goes into "sleep" mode... typically screen off, and then won't wake up with power button.

From what i've read... SOD happens when you do really aggressive clocking to save battery life. There seems to be two states of CPU, when the screen is on, and off. Depending on how / what state / governor is used... you could get SOD. I forgot all the various threads I've read this on... but search for it and you should find a ton.

The behavior you're having is more of an RR than a SOD. Granted you're freezing up. The better question is... are you following all of the ROM OP's instructions? Have you been RESTORING apps from backup? Bottom line is... DON'T.

DON'T install zip's/mod's that aren't included and validated by the OP. This includes kernels. The JB CyanogenMod and AOKP threads I believe say don't flash any other kernels yet.

DON'T restore from backup. At least don't do it until you know you're stable with just the ROM itself.

That'd be a start...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] krazeecracker:
No need for battery pull. Just hold down power button till you feel phone vibrate. Between 10-20 seconds.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] diqsa:
ahh i see. well that's annoying lol. ironically, the battery life is still not that great on my ROMs haha. but yeah i did follow up instructions from the OP. now when you say restoring apps...does that include things like messaging? i don't restore things like facebook/group me/flipboard or anything like that. usually just messaging and call storage data that i restore via Titanium Backup. does that count? and no i also havent tried to install any mods or kernels of my own. i usually just use the ones that the ROM comes with.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Laazyboy:
Thing is, I've been running the latest builds of CM10 with little to no SOD or RR issues and I've been restoring data from backups of the previously nightlys builds using TWRP. Granted, each phone is different... But each phone is different lol. Precautionary advice is good I suppose, but to me it would create a hassle if I had to start with fresh data on my apps whenever I updated. Of course, I don't report bugs, but I'm sure a lot of users don't regardless.