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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
Even on the arm tablets the windows 8 interface will be present. There will be full office 2013, OneNote, and all metro apps. Plus it seems to be really smooth and slick on the reviews.

And this without the biggest thing. In one move the windows ecosystem will be bigger than the Android ecosystem. Apps will not be the super stretched phone apps, and but rather full tablet apps (witness the xda app as on example).

Does this mean I regret buying the note? No not all. But it does mean that once the windows 8 tablets are out I will not be taking it in to work or on trips. It will become more consumption based then productivity.

Lets not pretend that windows will somehow disappear just because you think it will be doa. Even vista sold more than all android tablets combined.

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Without even reading the full article I know the claim about windows requiring beefy hardware is bull****. I I have run windows 8 on a touch smart tx2 with 2 gigs, and on a q6600 with 1 gig and an i7 with 16 gigs. And I am running the note right now. Even on the touch smart win8 was smoother and performed better. I sadly the ntrig drivers don't work and the thing weighs a ton, and but the Clover trail smart pc from Samsung willost likely have a better experience than the note.

Also multitasking. I real split screen for almost every app.

And the finishing blow? OneNote. Nothing compares with OneNote.

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I do not have any idea why people are ignoring the published price of the Samsung tablets. Samsung has already said that the smart pc with Clover trail will be 650 with 64gig storage. We know it won't cost significantly more than top of the line android tablets, and will have free OneNote mx, and have comparable weight and battery life (if I believe samsung) and will use the same spen.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] _Burst_:
oh mitchellvii. Poor, poor, mitchellvii.

Owning both a Win8 tab [Asus Eee Slate] and (obviously) the GNote10, I can say that no matter how hard Samsung or Android try, Windows is the true multi-tasker. No way around it. Also, definitely more capable to do ANY task.

The GNote10 does have it's advantages. Prolly the same reasons I bought one is the same reasons y'all bought one. Battery life, weight, slim, no fan, s-pen, and I guess Android based.

Just because Windows is hands down better doesn't mean the GNote is inadequate.

Don't be mad that the GNote is second best to a Windows tablet, be mad that the GNote will always be second best to an iPad.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] troed:
I have my N10.1 3G for 3 weeks now, it accompanied me to travels and never ever failed..Neither failed my wife' s N10.1 her (she is more the gaming fraction in my family :D)

I worked easily in the plane in plane mode with stylus having four apps open, read some kindle books, diagnosed HR X-Rays preloaded, drawed comments on them for my junior docs, prepared some drafts for lectures, in summary the time was highly productive, more than ever achievable with my Vaio Z 14 supernotebook.

Why ? Its almost impossible to decently work with a notebook on the plane, at least in eco class .......:D

With the N10.1 You can !

With a fair data roaming fee I read my newspapers and PC/Android mags at breakfast and dinner, follow my beloved Ida community, post, answer emails and so forth.

I could do last aactivities also with my SGS III, but I LOVE the big screen and multitasking, I can do everything I did not do with my Note, this was finally too small for me for serious work.

But why am I still curious of the Win8 Surface?

For my lectures worldwide I need a fully functional PowerPoint including the capability to play embedded vids (every third slide is a vid!) and edit every slide as a would do it on my PC. I did not find an Android app capable of THIS. And I need fully functional Word and Excel (not stripped versions)

Second: I need connectibility to standard beamers with the good old VGA-D-sub connector

All this my beloved N10.1 can't give me.

If Surface Win8 provides these features I will buy it and be happy working with it, but my N10.1 will always be Nr. 1 (until Note 10.1 / 2 arrives :D:angel::o)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] iofthestorm:
No one is providing breathless hyperbole, everyone I have seen here is cautiously optimistic at best about Windows 8 tablets. If you think that's fanboyism then perhaps you need to take a good hard look in the mirror. No one here, including aliens@home, has bashed the Note 10.1 in any way. You need to separate praising another OS from praising a specific device, and both of those from bashing our device. I love my Note 10.1 but there are obviously things it can't do, and to deny that is stupid. I do agree with you overall that Windows 8 tablets appear to be stuck on two extremes with Pro and RT and not able to meet the middle ground that the Note 10.1 reaches, but I think with time and competition they will be at least competitive with Android tablets on at least 2 or 3 out of functionality, battery life, and form factor, and value.

Personally I don't think I need my tablet to be a full Windows PC and do full multitasking with floating windows and the like, but that's because I've got plenty of beefy systems for real work and my tablet is a great supplement to them. Also I use Linux primarily and Windows only for gaming but that's a separate point. For those that want or need to have one device that does everything, a Windows 8 Pro tablet may be that device. You'll compromise on battery life and weight but gain a lot of extra functionality. And you keep ignoring the possibility of Atom powered Windows 8 Pro tablets that could be competitive on battery life and weight too (not equal to ARM, but at least in the same ballpark) in addition to cost.

Honestly, I think everything that can be speculated about W8 at this point as been said and we should have a moratorium on further discussion here until the first devices are actually out.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
My "other" portable device next to the OG G-Tab in its BT keyboard case. It weighs the same as the Note, runs W7 Ultimate (for now), has all the MS Office apps including Access, packs a 256GB Samsung SSD, has a 1600x768 display, GPS, and a built in VZW card. The Android tablet's a better consumption device and the VAIO's a better productivity device. They both are adequate in reverse. Which I travel with depends on what I'll be doing. If I had to pick one I'd pick the Note because it's more versatile and can "fake" productivity better than the VAIO can "fake" consumption. Who knows? Maybe a W8 tablet will end up being the perfect blend. ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] crazeco:
The reason you are getting such a cross-comparison is because the SGN 10.1 is marketed as an alternative to Windows tablets. People buy the SGN 10.1 to do things that an IPad can't with handwriting functions. People want to know if the 10.1 really fills the gap between the IPad and Windows devices.

I think the general consensus is that for light note taking and sketching it does and for hardcore professionals (like lawyers) it doesn't.

I loved the Note 10.1... but I returned it as I'm in the latter category. I need seemless cloud and app integration.

FWIW, I went ahead and put the IPad 3 screen up against the Note. It really would be difficult for me to accept a lower resolution than the Note 10.1 provides. The new Slate 5 is going to have a worse PPI than the Note. I don't think I'll be purchasing that device.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's actually marketed as a creativity and consumption device.

“Our goal with the Samsung GALAXY Note 10.1 was simple – redefine the tablet experience,” said Tim Baxter, President, Samsung Electronics America. “The S Pen offers both active content creation as well as passive content consumption, while the Multiscreen capability finally enables true multitasking. For the user, the resulting experience is completely new and quite unexpected.”

http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20228

But you raise an interesting question. How will companies like Samsung, Asus, Acer, and Lenovo market and position their W8 tablets, especially RT, when they all offer similarly priced and featured Android tablets? The only one that can/will go balls out and say W8 is better than Android is MS. Maybe that's what they were afraid and what caused them to build the Surface on their own.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] crazeco:
I stand by my statement that the SGN 10.1 is marketed as an alternative to the W8 tablets like the Surface because this is the (earlier) Microsoft press release:

"Surface is designed to seamlessly transition between

consumption and creation

, without compromise."

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2012/jun12/06-18announce.aspx
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] wingzero2085:
Don't you mean that you see the Note 10.1 as an alternative to W8 tablets? Because from what I read, the statements from Samsung don't really say that at all. You're using a statement from Microsoft (who, last I checked does not make nor market the Note 10.1) as the basis for how Samsung is marketing its device.

Uh, forgive me, but that makes no sense. How Samsung attempts to sell its device is how it is marketed, not how people and other companies respond to it. I think the point you're actually making is that the Note 10.1, competitively speaking, is seen as an alternative device to a W8 tablet, but that's not the same thing as saying that's how it's being marketed. Samsung hasn't said flat out that they want it to be an alternative to W8. They're aiming it at students and businesspeople for creative tasks, general multi-tasking, and note-taking. Somehow I think a W8 tablet should be able to do far more than that, productivity-wise.

Just my two cents, though...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
To add to your post, PR's crafted months in advance. The words Samsung chose were with clear knowledge of the imminent announcement of the Ativ(s). It'll be interesting to see how competing Android and Windows tablets are marketed and positioned by the different OEM's. Kind of like a single dealership selling Honda's and Toyota's in the same showroom.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] crazeco:
Microsoft's PR came first. Samsung responded by mirroring Microsoft's PR.

Microsoft on June 18, 2012: "Surface is designed to seamlessly transition between

consumption and creation

, without compromise."

Samsung on August 15, 2012: “Our goal with the Samsung GALAXY Note 10.1 was simple – redefine the tablet experience,” said Tim Baxter, President, Samsung Electronics America. “

The S Pen offers both active content creation as well as passive content consumption

..."

I'm happy to have a debate with you regarding which device will better achieve "consumption" and "creation" - but I'm not going to debate facts. It's a fact that Samsung is marketing this device to the same type of consumer that Microsoft is marketing a pen supported Surface tablet. That's why threads like this exist in the Samsung Note 10.1 forum, because the SGN 10.1 is an alternative to the forthcoming Windows 8 tablet.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] troed:
My personal config will be:

Win8 Surface Pro to run full "Office" and special medical apps not available for android (CAT-Scan-Viewer etc.) + connect to beamers for lectures (since it has Miniport-Display plug)

+

Beloved SGN 10.1 on the go and during lectures remote control Win8 surface Pro :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Makes 1,6 kg to carry around ..........................
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Funny... I have the same plan for very similar reasons.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
Honestly I don't see why you would want something other than the Surface Pro in that situation. Its going to have similar battery life, better pen support and will not weight a lot more. Not to mention higher res screen.

Personally I'll be getting the Ativ Smart PC (the atom one with the low res screen) to replace the note. I have a student I can gift the note 10.1 to if he does a good job with an upcoming conference. SmartPC will probably be my go to laptop/tablet hybrid device.

I would sell a right leg for a kindle paperwhite with an active digitizer and direct export to OneNote.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] iofthestorm:
E-Ink+active digitizer would be the ideal paper notebook replacement but I don't think E-Ink refresh rates will ever be fast enough to not make the experience really jarring. Although I think with newer readers they don't wipe the screen each time which could work well for inking. Maybe in 3-5 years?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Did you guys see the specs? She's not exactly svelte, especially the Pro version which weighs almost two pounds by itself.

Note 10.1 = 8.9 mm and 600g (1.3 pounds)

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Samsung's got a micro-site up that details all the specs for their multiple ATIV (W8) devices. The ATIV Tab is shockingly similar to the Android Tab 2 (including the lack of a pen).

http://www.samsung.com/global/ativ/index.html
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] troed:
300 Gramm make THE difference between feeling comfortable with a Tab in Your hands or not ........

That's why Surface Pro can't replace 10.1, it's THAT bit too heavy to be comfortable for continuous use on the go.

Ativ: once it comes to design always keep in mind: if there is a casing that can contain multiple hardware config s a company will always choose this for multiple types/ versions of devices: keeps production costs lower and for this consumer pricing and creates "identity" (somehow)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mdalacu:
UBUNTU is the way to go

If we will be able to dual boot to Ubuntu 12.04 ARM (native, not VNC) then we will be able to compete with Win8 x86 ecosystem (we are already above RT one) in terms of productivity apps and features. We can also hope for a MyPaint arm port (it works on Nokia N900).

So, we all should make a bounty for this.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Thanks for the link. It's nice to see the whole family together :)

ATIV Smart PC (a.k.a. Series 5 hybrid in the US) is what I'm waiting to test out. It's right in the middle between ATIV Tab, Note 10.1 and ATIV Smart PC Pro, Surface Pro. If the performance is not lacking, the specs look nice on the paper. We'll wait and see...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
I haven't followed the Atom product-line but I'd watch out for video playback issues at high-resolutions. That was always an Achilles Heal for previous versions.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] macwilson:
These convertables that are coming are just really nice. I looked at the Asus one at Best Buy and it was very nice, but alas no pen.

But i'm just going to wait and see. The Note is not going to be bested. There's just nothing lacking really.

I will however, buy another tablet that runs Windows proper. Samsung convertables looks like it will get my money. I'll probably swing for the pro as it looks killer. Then again, it has a fan, and these can get hot, etc.

Truth be told, i'll probably try a few, test them, and either return them or sell them on Ebay.

I had the Samsung series 7 slate. It was very nice if you could overlook the fact that it was falling apart (literally). For those who own, or tried one, you probably know what I mean. They also tended to make horrible creaking sounds as the seals around the screen broke down.

I've got a feeling some people lost jobs over that design blunder. A fine tablet but with such a terrible flaw one can only wonder why they continue to this day, sell them. But I imagine Samsung has learned from this and has improved the new version. The Slate 7 would have been perfect with an improved chassis design.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] balabala123:
I will get NOTE 10.1 soon ， windows surface also in my list
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
The last paragraph sums it up. RT will be hobbled because it's "sort of Windows" and that'll probably disappoint quite a few people. Especially with apps being limited at launch (TouchPad anyone?) Pro's a laptop in a tablet's body which is fine except the majority of desktop apps aren't touch optimized. Add to that having to deal with drivers, patches, viruses and the like and you have a fairly unfriendly user experience compared to other tablet options. Sure there are some unique strengths but they're accompanied by some unique weaknesses. A bunch of big players are investing in W8 tablets so they're likely to succeed. But it's going to take time and I predict V1 is going to underwhelm some folks.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] troed:
The other point is that yes, it is taking a laptop and squeezing into a flat panel form factor. But for a lot of people, that's EXACTLY what they want. They want compact, portable - AND powerful. This is where ARM tablets tend to fall down.

EXACTLY WHAT I NEED, and why I'm going to get it when it endures 10hrs on a charge .......,.,,,,
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
We all agreed MS Office is going to be a big advantage for W8 tablets. MS released some info today on what Office RT won't be able to do. Some of it (to me) is pretty substantial.

Macros, add-ins, and features that rely on ActiveX controls or 3rd party code such as the PowerPoint Slide Library ActiveX control and Flash Video Playback

Certain legacy features such as playing older media formats in PowerPoint (upgrade to modern formats and they will play) and editing equations written in Equation Editor 3.0, which was used in older versions of Office (viewing works fine)

Certain email sending features, since Windows RT does not support Outlook or other desktop mail applications (opening a mail app, such as the mail app that comes with Windows RT devices, and inserting your Office content works fine)

Creating a Data Model in Excel 2013 RT (PivotTables, QueryTables, Pivot Charts work fine)

Recording narrations in PowerPoint 2013 RT

Searching embedded audio/video files, recording audio/video notes, and importing from an attached scanner with OneNote 2013 RT (inserting audio/video notes or scanned images from another program works fine)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Lol, Barry great minds think alike. I was about to paste in the same info.

Many people mistakenly believe that for $650 (without a keyboard) they are going to be getting a fully functional MS Office touch tablet with pen. No.

Looks to me like the Office they will get is little better than the office emulators we enjoy here on Android already. You want full blown Office? You gotta go pro and pay ultrabook prices for an 11.6 inch screen.

I seriously cannot see business professionals going there. I can't see corporations rewriting their legacy apps to fit such a tiny screen when they get NO benefit from touch or pen input. Add to that that Corporations HATE Windows 8 and you have all the ingredients for major fail.

I am more convinced than ever Windows 8 will bomb. Especially the Surface. I mean how can you even type in bed with that floppy keyboard? How can you hold it on your lap and type? It is an ultraportable device which requires a hard surface to work.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
A tablet will ALWAYS be an accessory. It will NEVER be the big show because its screen is just to small. Microsoft is trying to convince us that all we need is their tablet. They are wrong.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
The answer is actually YES.

What you are referring to is for Office RT that is designed for Windows RT on Arm-based Windows 8 tablets. The Atom based models (e.g., $650 Samsung Series 5 hybrid), as well as the more expensive i5 models, will be running a non-RT version of Windows 8 and Office.

Nice try, though.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
But I guess that's kind of the point. While iPad's were flying off the shelves at $499 Android tablets sat gathering dust at the same price point. As soon as $199 decent quality non-Apple tablets (KF and N7) appeared they picked up momentum. So where does W8 fit in?

- $300-400 10” RT tablets that compete with Android more than iOS and have far fewer apps available (at least initially)?

- $600+ Pro tablets that are really ultra-books with touch screens instead of keyboards?

I've learned in marketing when you try to be all things to all people you end up standing for nothing. If MS' target are the hordes of people buying iPads I can't see either RT or Pro making a dent. If executed well I could see RT stealing some Android market share but $399+ Android tablets are 15% of 20% of the tablet market. So I don't know if taking 1/3 of a pretty weak number will be enough to declare RT a success. If Apple in fact launches an iPad Mini for $199-249 I think $300 RT tablets are doomed and Android will be in trouble too; at least for the mass (non-XDA) market. I think without a doubt Pro will be successful in the enterprise market. But if it's just moving people from ultra-books and laptops to a different form fact it's really just a cannibalization exercise. I still say if MS Office and Windows apps were so critical to people iPad's wouldn't be so popular. If all the non-enterprise market cares about is consumption I'm curious to see how W8 (both forms) will stack up both in usability and availability of content. If they don’t ace that than MS is screwed; look what happened to the TouchPad which all-in-all was a very well executed device. It'll be fascinating to see how the market responds to W8.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
To me, the sweet spot is the Atom-based models -as long as they don't have significant performance issues- with their price point, size, weight and battery life. Having a pen on top of that with the Samsung Series 5 Hybrid makes it even better. Will they ever get close to iPad popularity -or even Android for that matter? Absolutely not. I don't think MS and/or Samsung or any other OEM is hoping/planning to sell as many X86 units as a Kindle Fire, Google Nexus 7 or any $500 Android tablets. Windows RT tablets will be in that segment.

The limitations you highlighted in Office RT may not be important to anyone with a Windows RT tablet. Heck, even without those features, Office RT will be a lot better than the office "apps" we are using with Android and iOS. Some can see it as "limited Office" while others can see it as "10x better than QuickOffice".
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
The question yet to be answered is "how many of you are there?" ;)

Agreed. But the question yet to be answered is "how many of them are there?" You get no points in the mass market for solving problems they dont't know they have.

And I expected Office RT to be some what watered down. The lack of Outlook support was probably the biggest shocker for me. When the holiday sales are tallied if RT isn't at least 1/3 of what all non-Apple tablet sales are then I'd say MS is going to have a tough road to hoe because the two following quarters are a down hill road in terms of volume.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
None of that list is anything significant except the lack of outlook (replaced by the mail app in RT though).

The biggest issue to me is the lack of support for Outlook and the inability to record audio/video notes in Onenote. Those two suck but otherwise it looks pretty awesome.

Wayx1000 better than any other non-Windows 8 tablet on the market.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's not for you or me to decide. The test will be how many MS sells when they initially go on sale and how the sales curve fares in the months following. If it's a hot start driven by early adopters followed by a steep decline it'll look a lot like the HP TP and BB PB. And those stories didn't end happily. Technology enthusiasts (us) are estimated to be 5% of the market. So while were a hoot to hang with we don't determine the success or failure of a product. It came out in litigation that the GN, an enthusiasts phone, sold just 512K units. Without question a cult device on XDA, pretty much a yawn to the masses.