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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Promise and potential are very different from practice and reality. And sometimes when they collide it isn’t pretty. Since this entire conversation is theoretical there can never be a decisive conclusion. I really don't have an opinion and won't until I can personally play with a W8 tablet and see how well it does the things I need it to do. Even then, my conclusion will only apply to me and my individual needs.

Think about this. Here's the iPad demographic.

iPad ownership is skewed toward young customers, with 27% of owners between 25 and 34. The average iPad owner is affluent, with a median income of $85,000 a year. Most importantly, they are much more likely to be buying things.​

Don't you think that audience is using MS Office and OneNote professionally to earn the higher median income they do? Apple's sold 100MM iPads with no native access to MS Office. Taking a broader view I don't think it's the "killer app" many of you believe it will be. Especially if it comes at the price of a less refined h/w and s/w experience. There's also a certain cache that comes from owning an iPad. Android tablet owners tend to be classified as rugged individualists and technology enthusiasts. What will W8 tablet owners be? People that need access to MS apps? Pretty low on the "cool" scale, no? There’s more to a product’s success than just functionality.

Just food for thought while we're discussing the potential mass-market (in other words, not us) success of W8 tablets.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] stuartv:
Which we weren't until some folks hijacked the thread and went totally OT from the OP...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
How these threads turn out always make me smile :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] blopez24:
You and me both.

Sent from my LG-P930
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
And between you and me we have more thanks than the total number of posts for everyone who has participated in it.

Here's the deal. OP's motives were questionable from the outset. I have strong feelings about Android vs. iOS but would never think about going to an iOS forum touting the benefits of Android and JB in a one-sided op-ed. That's exactly what OP did with this thread. Any chance of his post being benign or an innocent discussion was shot down when he closed with this. You don’t need to add a disclaimer if your motive is an objective light hearted discussion based on the merits of two competing devices (or OS’s).

Compared to some forums on XDA you guys are exceptionally kind and benevolent. On others this thread would have flamed out and been closed by the mods before it reached two pages. Most of us own Note's and are biased because of the choice we made. It's a fact of life. For someone to come to a forum made up of owners and basically say "your kid is butt ugly and stupid" is just plain rude and that’s what happened here.

So by all means carry on but as Demandarin pointed out and I agree this thread's going no place good.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] stuartv:
I really disagree with you BarryH. He didn't say "your kid is butt ugly and stupid". For one thing, he said OUR kid - because he has a Note, too. And second, he said it's a "decent machine". Which is exactly, perfectly correct.

And (my opinion now) for $500 it's a fantastic machine. But, that's when you take into account the cost.

If you just look at what it is, irrespective of cost, it's a machine for sending and receiving email, browsing the Web, watching movies, listening to music, taking notes, drawing artwork, etc.. And for all those tasks it is decent. But, we certainly have many examples of machines that do many of those tasks much better. For $500, the Note 10.1 is (AFAIK), the best single machine you can get for doing all those things. But, it's NOT the best at doing them. Just the best, at $500.

All the folks who are getting their feathers ruffled at an objective review and comparison against other machines that do similar jobs are really just being kind of silly about it. We all know there is no One Best device for all users. And, more importantly, we all know that there is ALWAYS something better coming.

So, how about we get back to the point of the OP and discuss comparisons and contrasts between the Note 10.1 and others Windows-based Tablets. If you don't have a question on that subject or something to contribute, why post in this thread??
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I agree with stuartv on this. The OP didn't come out and said "Note 10.1 sucks, Windows 8 devices will rule, you noobs!!!!!!". He stated that putting Windows 8 onto his old tablets made them a lot more efficient, and he was excited with the possibility of tablets designed specifically Windows 8 in mind. He wanted to try and see if the features on the paper would hold true before buying one. He DID mention that he'll keep his Note 10.1, since it has better battery life and serves his needs better when he doesn't need to run PC applications.

I sincerely question the motive of someone who takes this as an attack and insult.

PS: I love the number compensation game. Look, my thanks/post # is bigger than yours.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
This is something interesting from the Verge. It's a pretty good "State of the Union." But like all good epic battles the conclusion's far from certain. Especially when the respective players all have billions of dollars of cash in the bank.

"Google's strategy worked brilliantly on phones, but the window for success on tablets is closing rapidly. After all, most Android OEMs are also Microsoft OEMs, and Windows 8 and Windows RT have enormous potential to succeed as proper competitors to the iPad. And the value proposition for OEMs is strong: why spend money on building Android up into a laptop replacement when Microsoft is already spending billions developing Windows? Why try to create an independent ecosystem to compete with giants like Apple, Amazon, and Google when you can just tap into the enormous base of Windows customers? Why continue to dance around the sorry state of Android tablet apps when an explosion of Windows don't-call-it-Metro apps is looming on the horizon? And, perhaps most cynically, why continue taking the risk on Android tablets when every major Android OEM is paying patent licensing fees to Microsoft anyway?

What the Fire has taught us before and will teach us again this week is that the biggest threat to Android tablets isn't necessarily the iPad — it's that the companies which make the devices aren't totally invested in ensuring the Android platform succeeds. The difference now is that Android OEMs finally have a viable alternative in Windows, and Google needs to either commit itself to true tablet success or watch from the sidelines as Microsoft mounts the first serious challenge to the iPad."

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/4/32...google-amazon-kindle-fire-microsoft-windows-8
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] iofthestorm:
Seriously dude, you need to cool down a little. Every time someone praises W8 on this board you freak out at them and apparently drive people away. I love my N8013, don't get me wrong, but there still is not a replacement for One note on Android *yet*. Onenote is an amazing piece of software. All the OP said was that he thinks W8 could do well on tablets, and you bashed him so hard he left. Have you ever used a Windows tablet? The handwriting recognition is miles ahead of what's possible on Android, it's just a much more mature platform in that regard. Regarding pricing, you certainly won't see a Core i5 wielding tablet for $500 but you can get you'll see Atom powered tablets competing with the Note 10.1. To me they're mostly useless but they could still provide a great experience for a lot of people.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] crazeco:
I find this thread and discussion very helpful. It helps us understand the tablet ecosystem and why the Note is or is not the right device for our needs.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] aprilealp:
re windows

Hello there.

You seen so knowlegeable about the tablets. I am intrested in playing poker on line for real money. My laptop does this beautifully. I would like to get a tablet to do this. I tried downloading the site on an Apple Ipad without sucess. It does not support the flash player it said. With that in mind, I was hoping that you would know if a tablet such as the Samsung Galaxy would support the site I am intrested in playing with. I am not sure if the tablet needs Windows to do this? The site name is Bovada.lv . Any ideas from you would be helpful. Thanks in advance.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hanexs:
I just pre-ordered a note! Its released in Canada on Sept 26, so hopefully Ill have it around then.

I have been religiously looking at reviews including the jelly bean leak video, and eagerly waiting to get my hands on this. I have wanted a pen based tablet for a long time. I actually bought the thinkpad tablet last year, but returned it because it was mostly a let down.

Still I agree with the original poster. I feel that this tablet has come out at a weird time with just a month or two before windows 8. And looking at androids offerings, it may not be able to stack up to the pen based environment on Windows. Seriously onenote is a game changer, its one of the best programs Microsoft has ever made in my opinion. Android has nothing like this to offer (although i hear lecturenotes is getting better, and was happy to see snote was updated in the jellybean leak)

Still the Windows RT tablets dont have styluses (yet), and the atom tablets may not be fast enough, or last long enough. And the i5's are just in a totally different category. Still a Note for 499, or a Atom tablet for 649 sound in the same price range to me

My plan is to use the note 10.1 for a couple weeks, read the reviews for the atom tablets, and if they are good return it and try that out (heres looking at you samsung series 5 hybrid). Either way by Christmas I'll have made my choice :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
I'm awaiting the Microsoft Surface tablet. No other win8 tablet caught my Interest more than that one. I love that cover keyboard it has. If it releases for the rumored $199, ill be getting one also.

Then when tegra4 drops, ill likely get a tablets with it in it also..lol. technology always getting better & better. I have a feeling the note 10.1 will last a long time. Its specs are good enough to future proof it, in a sense. 2gb of Ram and Quad core processor among other great features.

I await win8 arrival. Competition will be good and only force Android tabs to be even more feature packed and specs beefed up even higher.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
Considering that almost every Android tablet maker (e.g., Asus, Samsung, Toshiba, Acer, etc.) will have a new Windows 8 tablet in few months, it'll be interesting to see how they'll position each device.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] TonyBigs:
I one a Galaxy Note 10.1 and a Motion Computing LE1700 (w/SXGA+ View Anywhere) Windows tablet. It can run any Windows version from XP Tablet to Windows 7 (haven't tried Windows 8 yet). My opinions:

LE1700:

The WACOM pen has superior ergonomics -- weight, feel, storage. Can tether (as in physically tie) the pen to the tablet.

Screen resolution is superior (and is IPS).

The Windows 7 TIP (Tablet Input Panel) is superior.

Two full-sized USB 2.0 ports.

DVI and VGA ports.

3G capable (whether or not the 3G card is installed by the user)

User definable hard buttons.

Data transfer via IR.

User serviceable (HDD/SSD, 3G, RAM, Wifi).

Cardbus slot for adding additional functionality.

GN 10.1:

Much lighter in weight.

Runs cooler.

Boots to desktop much faster.

Battery life is longer.

Has touchscreen function.

Has cameras.

Remote control IR function.

Has an easier time with HD video.

Newer version of Bluetooth.

Has GPS built in.

Samsung could learn much from the Windows TIP: great editing functions for hand or typewritten text before committing any of the text. However, Samsung probably would not want to deal with lawsuits from Apple and Microsoft simultaneously.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lerun:
Onward

This is something I can agree with. It's the applications and almost only the applications that matter.

Why? Because this is what everybody uses in the end, and what gives value to their daily lives.

Now, I also have the Slate and the Note. Also used to have the HTC Flyer before this. I like Android, and it has come a long way since Gingerbread.

But for me it's the applications that will hold me to a platform. OneNote has for me been the best when it comes to using keyboard/touch/pen.

MS Word still lags behind in this aspect, and penning in a word document still annoys me even in Office 2013; but oh how OneNote is good :D

Why? Just because you can use touch and pen in a logical manner together. Like when I'm writing and running out of room I can just switch seamlessly to touch and either scroll down or right to make more room. In most other applications it's either-or. Trying to scroll in pen mode will just produce lines with you'r finger (this happens still in Word). Also OneNote has a one click "make room" function that inserts blank space in between handwritten text if the need arises (and it does often). The button on the pen can be used to lasso text and move it as I see fit.

From a storage perspective I can choose where my notebooks reside and split them as I choose. Either it's on DropBox, encrypted with BoxCryptor or just plain stored locally.

When SNote can do this I will be a happy camper, but until then I will still return to my Slate and OneNote to do the heavy note lifting :p

If Win8 will be a success or not is something that only the future can tell, making speculations is only that speculations.

In my personal opinion "Metro" is not it. I will take the optimization done to Win32 ecosystem any day, just because its a better optimized Win7 ;)

Windows is touch friendly, one only have to up the icon/window/text size to 125 - 150 % and all is good.

Why must it always be a discussion about mine OS is so much better than yours? :(

Have a good one!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
Simple fact is that Windows 8 is better than Android. This isn't a thing up for debate. Windows 8 is a real OS, with BlueStack it can even run Android apps. The UI is smoother, the interactions are more pleasing and the ecosystem in general more complete. Not to mention you can use a mouse/keyboard if you want. The one questionable factor is the battery life, but if it can last a whole day it will be more than sufficient (the Note 10.1 lasts me about 2-3 days with my usage pattern).

Android tablets such as Fire and Note 10.1 are specialized enough to keep a decent marketshare. But really android on the phone is awesome. Android on the tablet not so much. Too many strange quirks, too few good ways to take notes, and no viable alternative to Office.

On Oct 1 I'll be travelling with my laptop and the Note 10.1, but when I travel on Nov 16th I'll only be taking my Windows 8 tablet. Honestly there is just no competition.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hanexs:
Theres a chance you might be right. I myself will make sure my note is within its return window when the first windows tablets could come out.

You could also be wrong however. Its not just about battery, its also about performance and usability. Will the atom tablets be FAST enough for on the go work, or will they be to slow to really do what I want. Also Windows in general has a lot to learn about how simple some tasks are to do on a tablet. I sometimes with my Win 7 box has some of the ease of use features I enjoy in android.

But on the whole, I think your close to right, I need Office and a robust note taking app like onenot. I sometimes look at the quality of program in the app store and wonder where are the people committing more effort into quality programs. Which is a shame, I love android, love playing around in it, love its simplicity, just wish it had a few more productivity apps. Gimme a good onenote, powerpoint and excel ripoff and I'd be perfect. Maybe flash too, lol.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] DJsCrIBbLe:
When is the series 5 supposed to be released ?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
October 24th.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] usernox:
If you pick share via email instead of gallery or creative cloud, you can export to psd and choose between a variety of applications (not only email), such as gmail, dropbox...

Of course, I do miss other stuff in PS Touch; useful PS plugins such as a color wheel, the ability to tile textures, abr brushes...

Next to the Note, I have an HP 2730p with Windows 7 and a Wacom Intuos 3 A4 tablet attached to a workstation and a 24" monitor. Since I have a desk job, I'm not to keen on sitting behind a desk again in the evenings. The Note is perfect because of its battery life and weight; I am drawing in the sofa :-p

The 2730p was too heavy for this and I couldn't get the pen calibration right in the corners. For finishing up a drawing I still prefer a larger screen so as long as I get the psd to my PC I'm quite happy.

Autodesk Sketchbook Pro is a bit more tweakable concerning pressure sensitivity; you can set a minimum line width and opacity as well as a maximum (cf. regular Photoshop). The 2730p stylus and its eraser are usable on the note as well, eraser only working in ps touch though

I wonder whether these apps will get more mature on the Android platform (it is still evolving a lot), or whether developers will turn to Windows 8 (adaptations will be needed as well + what about windows' evolution towards more closed vs relatively open (e.g. Gabe Newell's opinion); perhaps some tweaks that allow me to run a desktop PS version in a usable manner on the 2730p won't be possible in the future).

Anyways, I guess the market is big enough, and everyone will be able to choose a tablet according to his needs and preferences.

But I got the Note from my job, otherwise I would have awaited the arrival of Windows tablets before making a hard decision (since all platforms are still evolving quite fast)...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jedah:
Has anyone tried Photoshop on Win8? If so, how was the experience? Was Photoshop even compatible? If so, which version were you using?

Enjoying my Note for drawing, but I am still curious what full desktop Photoshop would be like on a tablet. I'm wondering whether even if I was to return my Note and get a Win8 tablet for art, would my experience necessarily be better?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
It's hard to speculate before the Windows 8 tablets are released, but most likely the Atom-based models (e.g., Samsung Series 5 Hybrid) will struggle with running full Photoshop. However, the i5-based models should be OK if you don't mind the extra weight and price difference.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Some pricing on new w8 tablets out. Expensive.

http://www.zdnet.com/asus-windows-8-tablet-pricing-comes-in-high-demand-likely-low-7000004378/
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] b1ackplague:
www.wpcentral.com/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-2-be-priced-799-keyboard

A real world example of the pricing for windows 8 tablets, $800
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
That's really not that bad including the detachable keyboard and a full copy of Office 2013. An Asus Infinity with keyboard is over $600. W8 is going to be a Goldilocks thing for a lot of people:

1) Is RT too little?

2) Is Pro on Atom enough?

3) Is the price/value of a i5 Pro too much?

At close to $1K an i5 Pro is going to be a turn off for a lot of people. I think RT at $399 is going to be a hard-sell for people just looking for consumption. Pro on Atom seems to be the sweet spot but it's all going to hinge on what kind of performance/battery life Intel's been able to wring out of it. Previous Atom chips haven't been particularly well received.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] b1ackplague:
It wouldnt be bad but thats for an atom cpu not an i3 or i5.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] stuartv:
Even with an Atom CPU, if you compare it to a 32gig Transformer with a keyboard, it still doesn't seem too bad, to me, when you consider all the things you can do with it just based on it being Windows, instead of Android. Just being able to print without having to use some janky external app or go through the Cloud is pretty nice, right there. Hooking up devices via USB. Etc...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
This is exactly the price I was expecting. A naked Samsung Series 5 hybrid with S-Pen and 64GB storage is rumored to be $650 with an additional $100 for the dock. $800 for a package gives you a full Office suite for $50.

If you think this is expensive, buy a 32GB Transformer, add a keyboard dock and add a full version of Office 2013. It'll be very similar. Besides, the Lenovo in the article has LTE connectivity, not just WiFi.

As I said before, the sweet spot for the Windows 8 tablets is the Atom-based models if they perform well. We have little more than a month to see how they perform.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] CharlesmcAndrew:
I think that you are not taking care of the limitations that metro applications have for developers . Tf I am not wrong the only way to do that applications is using JavaScript + HTML 5. If that is right it means that no really prosfesionall apps can be made for metro.

Another aspect of the same issue is that big companies cant port in an easy (or even uneasy) way their stellar applications to the metro environment. A similar thing has happened with WP that beyond being a closed (and because of that horrible) OS. is hated by most developers.

On the other hand in Android you can use full featured programming languages (java, C # if you use momo, C++etc). Not only that, eclipse has improved a lot and it is just now when a new generation (a really big one) of android programmers are being trained . That people will not want to waste the time that they are investing in their formation to jump into an environment that looks so ugly as win 8 seems to bee.

And still there is another important point. Many top applications are being made nowadays with the QT environment.The reason is that QT offers the possibility to write one code, including the graphic presentation, in a single OS and later you simply import the same project into the QT version of another OS and compile it straightforwardly for the new OS. Until now there were versions of QT for windows linux and Mac but a version for android is next to arrive (I think there is a beta already). That means that for some top companies it will be easier to port their applications to android than to metro.

Still there are some issues with the OS that pose serious limitations to some kind of apps. Android, for example, has not an interface to develope drivers with low latency that are required for pro music applications. IOS and windows have them and that is the reason why Android is not popular among musicians and they are forced to use the IPAD (even if they hate it in some cases). Hopefully, if hardware manufacturers pay attention to it, Jelly Bean has a new structure of audio drivers that allowsa much better latency.

On the other hand IOS apps have serious limitations in aspects related to comunication among them. That forbides the plugin format that gives a lot of power to many win apps.

Still another drawback of android is that apps have a life cycle that makes some sense in a phone but is somewhat stupid in a tablet. That possibly means that some aspects of the workflow of win apps ported to Android needs to bee redesigned.

But, in the mean, I think that for developers in the near future Android (phones and tablets) look a lot more attractive that metro or IOS.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hanexs:
Well... Ive had my Note for a week now. ANd originally I was certain I'd probably return it and wait for a windows device. But the more I use it I think its a keeper.

I can edit all my docs with pen or by typing with polaris docs. And the way it just opens and saves with one click from drop box is pretty mazing, it just works well.

I really miss onenote, and I s-note is just a pile.... but so what. I have ez-pdf and polaris docs.

If this thing charged over USB itd be a no brainer.