yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chinchillachubby:
So it's been two days now and i've been using my replacement bone stock

Got to say it's fu*king driving me crazy I can't be on stock its just not in me...lol

But I'm still going to try and hold off till 3.1.0 comes out.

I know I know I should just flash 3.0

But I'm going to try and hold out

I'm sure it will be worth the suffering...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] 954wrecker:
What's the benefit of waiting I'm still not understanding that part?

Sent from my HTC One XL
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chinchillachubby:
I guess I'm just trying to do one fresh install instead of multiple flashes

Call it OCD but in my head I think once you flash a couple of things bits and pieces get left behind on the phone like mixed matched roms, mods, kernels.

I know I can always run back to clean up most if not all the little things left behind.

Like I said call my crazy but that's just me....lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] slippers67:
When you flash a new rom it wipes the entire /system partition, and ideally you would wipe /data as well. Most roms also include a new kernel during installation, so that means everything is cleared out, nothing is left behind, except what resides on your sdcard.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] farhaat2007:
I know that you can get the AOKP multitasking tweak in this rom, but is it fixed where it shows more than 8 thumbnail?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] 954wrecker:
Ok I get it now. I understand how powerful an ocd is

Sent from my HTC One XL
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] pwnx:
Anyone getting suspend_backoff in kernel wakelocks? I think that might be what's running my battery down. I turned off the title option in Chrome developer but I don't think that's it because it keeps going.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] maddie01:
Seems like I do see many folks on hboot 1.14 having issues then going back and flashing the boot.img solves it for them. I think mentioning that the Rom is hboot 1.14 friendly is great but optional to flash boot.img as well, just in case...

Sent from my HTC One XL using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] grayfoxmg1:
****Warning This Rom is 1.14hboot friendly, it's even friendlier if you flash the boot.img separately****
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] maddie01:
Ha...LMAO, just what I needed after a frikin killer day putting up with work...thanks grayfoxmg!:D

Sent from my HTC One XL using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kbmapper:
What about future updates to your one clean install? I say flash that puppy and get it over with!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] maddie01:
Kbmapper has a good point, plus who is to say that future updates won't be OTA anyway...your choice..you need to feel comfortable doing what you think is right

Sent from my HTC One XL using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tritran18518:
Hi, does anyone experience with wifi can't re-connect ( says "error") after wake up the phone from standby mode ( assume you set "turn off wifi when screen is off") when you flash other custom kernel( beatmode or elementalx) ?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chinchillachubby:
You and the rest of my xda fam

Could never be a support group

Well FU%K IT HERE I COME 3.0

thanks guys ....LOL
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] 954wrecker:
5 minutes later 3.1 is going to drop
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ImagioX1:
As a full Rom and not an ota.

Sent from my Venom1XL using Xparent Red Tapatalk2
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chinchillachubby:
Yeah that's my luck

But hopefully it does can't wait for it
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chrisc60:
3.1.1?

So is 3.1.1 about to be out in the wild? I did notice that cheezynuts' signature says that he is using venum 3.1.1.....- Chris
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] area51avenger:
Cheese is a beta tester. So he has 3.1. The rest of us mere mortals have to wait. And 3.1 will not be Ota
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ronnie498:
Good things come to who wait
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chrisc60:
NO OTA
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] CheesyNutz:
LoL :)

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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Turge:
I can see you're flashing 3.0.0, and yes, 3.1.0 will be a full rom because of the amount of changes that were implemented, and no, it's not being released today because if everything's not perfect, it'll cause more work for me to respond to posts about issues with this and that and I'll feel pressured to send out updates and Turge is gonna get upset. LOL

Anyways, any updates AFTER ViperXL 3.1.0 will be available as OTA, and will also be available as a full ROM for the noobs and for those with OCD, but I can assure you that:

ViperXL 3.1.0 + 3.x.x OTA update = ViperXL 3.x.x full ROM. There are no differences.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chinchillachubby:
That's great full roms are always good

Btw I like how you did that there speaking in third person....nice touch LOL
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ImagioX1:
Yeah take your time and get it right. 3.0 didn't have any tweaks but it was right. No bugs, long battery life, pretty much perfect.

Sent from my Venom1XL using Xparent Red Tapatalk2
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Red5:
Any news or findings out about LTE and signal icons reporting true signal?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Turge:
Try changing your /system/customize/buildflag to 152 and your signal icons should reflect what the Koreans want you to see.. ;)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Red5:
But I'm an American... With a phone that was probably built in china... :eek:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] evilbobvu:
F5 F 5.....:p
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] carl1961:
use speedtest.net to check your speed, I get between 3 to 10 Mbps
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Turge:
You'll still be an American if you change it. :p This will show you the stock signal icons for this base...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Turge:
Actually, we're talking about whether the bars in the signal icons are being reported correctly with the signal.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] grayfoxmg1:
well Rodgers got an official OTA, so can someone find out what it says as far as signal reporting goes. I would rather my phone reflect what Canadians want me to see than Koreans.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] eldedo:
Yes stock kernel, also was texting just now froze up and rebooted.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] superchilpil:
Thanks! Flashing now
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] EvilSpants:
I my be in the minority here, but is there a way to change the signal icons besides reflashing the initial release?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] crazydai:
Update 1.1

Where's the link for update 1.1, i didn't see it :confused:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Shaddy-Z.:
This was discussed a page back, you have to flash 1.0 then you'll get the ota updates pushed to your phone.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] zounduser:
Badass!!

RATTLED FROM MY TEAM VENOM POWERED AT&T ONE X USING ICS TAPATALK 2
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mrnifty:
Thank you. I'm like a kid and it's Christmas Morning.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ptesmoke:
WiFi is slightly different red...:p
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] FSB:
Everything is working and updating perfectly ViperXL 1.1.1

Thanks for a great ROM
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jayv81:
Ok I finally got updated. Broke out old iPhone and old pc. Used internet pass through and updated without a hitch. Thanks to everyone that helped me.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] JakeOcn:
Is there anyway to get recent app button to have stock behavior (to show recent apps)? Have been looking through settings but I don't see an option
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] FSB:
Have a look in Venom Tweaks app

Under Button, Recent Apps button
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kotton666:
Just hold it down
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] :
It possibel to remap the app switcher key back to its old behavior in venom tweaks.

tweaks->button tab->Recent apps button: recent apps
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mlaws90:
I just wanted to say I love this ROM so much. I don't see myself switching anytime soon, if ever! When I saw it in the International One X development forum I wanted it, and I saw in the OP's sig that it was coming to the AT&T One X (soon). And it is here and the best ROM I have used on any device.

Thanks again Jan and Turge!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] yungskeeme:
I'm coming from cm10 and this Rom seems like it has a lot of lag. Anyone else experiencing that?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] EvilSpants:
I posted this a bit earlier, but is there a way to change the signal icons back to something else, outside of reflashing the initial release? If there isn't, is it possible to add in some kind of AROMA installer that will allow for his?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dodava:
Is anyone else having issues getting their hands free to launch the voice dialer?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Artood2s:
You can look in the tweaks app under status bar theme support. Or you can mod the SystemUI.apk like this :D:

Sent from my HTC One XL
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] EvilSpants:
I can see that those options in the status bar, but for some reason can't change from stock AT&T to something else, all I have listed is "Internal."

Edit: After messing around in the settings I found the setting to change the High speed data icons, but whenever I pick one the selection does not change the Stock AT&T icons. :confused:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Red5:
That would be bacon strips for signal icons lol.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Red5:
Hmm, is this what you're doing to 3.1.0?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] grayfoxmg1:
mmmmm....bacon
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] CheesyNutz:
Bacon yes please
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] christx:
What does this change exactly? Any pros/cons? Going from 139 to 152?

loving 3.0 turge, can't wait for more.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] slippers67:
152 will show the same signal bars to signal strength ratio as AT&T.

i.e. 4 bars when you have -93 dBm, 3 bars when you have -94 dBm.

As compared to (in my opinion) the incorrect values that match up with HSPA signal strength, which shows too few bars for the corresponding LTE signal.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] maddie01:
Ahhhh bacon...part of the 3 "B"s..in the south...can't get enough beer, bacon or butter...

Sent from my HTC One XL using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] azturbomini:
True dat!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Red5:
So 152 is what the Koreans use, but its also what AT$T uses?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] elijahpr:
Still couldn't get 3.0 to work, but that's ok. I'm content with 2.4 ( I think that's the version I'm on now?). I haven't stopped messing around with it all day! Love how smooth everything is, and how much you can customize everything. Very nice work. I've noticed a few bugs, but nothing major at all. :good:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ethantarheels123:
Even when you wipe in twrp you have to also wipe in aroma installer, or else it will boot loop.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] slippers67:
152 uses the stock-ish icons, so it shows LTE, H, 3G, and E, and the icons are hidden while on wifi. It's not quite the same as stock 3.17, because that doesn't show LTE when on LTE...it shows 4G. But no big deal really.

3 is AT&T, and uses the funky AT&T icons, which normally aren't hidden while on wifi.

The same LTE signal bars/signal strength is used for both (unlike if you choose the "stock" icons in aroma).
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Turge:
No, I think he's trying to say they're using the same mapping as the Koreans
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] barondebxl:
I've noticed something ( and by no mean is this an issue, more like an observation), when I charge my phone, it deep sleeps (when i dont use it) until around 80% then it stays at 384 MHz( whether I use it or not) until done charging.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] elijahpr:
It's not that it's boot-looping, it's that TWRP says "failed" every time I try.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] anarchychris:
Wow, that's interesting. I assume you have re download and confirmed the md5 is correct. This may be clutching at straws but maybe you have an unfolding issue with your internal storage. You could back everything up by copying your files to your computer, format and then copy everything back. Good luck

Thanks

Chris
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] cr1960:
Have you tried a factory reset prior to installing the rom? I've had similar problems in the past and the factory reset has helped....
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gypsyshaw:
If it is your sd card storage as mentioned here. Then XsMagical has a guide for fixing corrupt sd storage. I have had this issue a few times. The guide works well.

edit: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1942519

It hasn't caused any issues for me flashing roms, but worth a shot if you're sure the download is good and md5 checks out as well.

I had the failed issue once. Downloaded the Rom 5 or 6 times, every download was bad. Ended up using my phones internet to download as it was more stable, it flashed first go. (Just make sure you got the data limit to handle it ;) or use another connection.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] elijahpr:
Yeah, I followed both of those steps. If it was my storage, why would I be able to flash other ROMs? I wiped everything before I tried to flash 3.0 again, so I'm honestly not sure.

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Thanks, I'll check it out. I'm one of the lucky and the few with unlimited data on AT&T, so I'll see if downloading it onto my phone helps.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jon8105:
Where is it failing? During the md5 check?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Red5:
Alright, I changed from 136 to 152. Im curious to see how much it changes. Thanks guys.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] WinterApocalypse:
Just have to chime in, but you copied the ZIP to your phone while you were in recovery, correct? I had the same "FAILED" issue because I copied it while in Recovery.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Dennse:
I had the same problem on my wife's HOX. I tried several times, when I copied the files outside TWRP everything was fine. I removed the dots from filename too.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] elijahpr:
Well hey, I downloaded everything directly onto my phone using the Internet browser, and it's now installing! Thanks for everyones help with trying to get 3.0 working for me! Much appreciated.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tafoya92:
Lost Menu Option

After Flashing The Jelly Bean ROM, I Lost The Bottom Part Of The Screen That Allowed Me To Pop Up The Menu. Its Now Just Full Screen. Tried Cleaning Cache And Dalvik. Any Suggestions?:confused:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] anarchychris:
Are you referring to your nav bar? What version of the ROM have you installed? What was your install process? Please provide further detail.

Try changing the skin in personalisation. You can also try fixing permissions in recovery.

Thanks

Chris
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tafoya92:
Yeah That Menu. I Dont Have Access To The Menu Popup On Apps. Im Running Viper XL 3.0. I Completely Wiped The Previous ROM Then Installed This One Then Recoverd My Apps And Settings From Titanium Backup. What Permissions?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] wisconsindesi:
Are you referring to this menu?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tafoya92:
Yeah That Menu. Lost It 100%. Cant Pull It Up In Apps.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ImagioX1:
Try pressing and holding the recent apps button. There are settings that can make it bring up the menu.

Sent from my Venom1XL using Xparent Red Tapatalk2
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] wisconsindesi:
Go to Display, gestures and buttons in Settings, select Recent apps button and select accordingly.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tafoya92:
That Worked! Thanks!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ken bentley:
Did you try installing without restoring settings from titanium.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] eoraptor:
So I have a question... my 3.0 keeps losing contact with the SIM card. it happens more often when I'm in a graphics intensive app like a game or youtube, but even if it's just sitting there next to me, it will suddenly make my alert sound and tell me that it's "unable to locate SIM." It causes any net-connected app to pause or just force quit (even over wifi) and generaly is ticking me off. Any thoughts anyone?

HTC 1 X (evita AT&T)

Venom XL 3.0.0

baseband 0.20os.32.09.10_2_10.113.32.28L
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] maxpower2078:
I am trying to install the xLoud mod (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1711843) manually by extracting the files to their corresponding folders but am having trouble copying to the /system/app folder using root explorer with r/w set.

I have even copied the file to the root directory, changed the permissions and then moved it but still it won't show up. The copy appears to happen but then the file is never there after I refresh.

I am running stock 3.0.0
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] s1l3nt:
that's because of wp with the htc kernel. Try flashing elemental kernel first because it has system rw
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] maxpower2078:
Thanks, trying it out
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] DESERT.TECH:
Lol OK little off topic but close...I wanna downgrade hboot to before 1.14 before v3.1 is released. I tried using jet but I can't get Ubuntu to work as I'm not so literate, I was running it via USB and decided to stop before I perma brick my phone. Is there a way to just install older ruu thus downgrading hboot , I've obviously been researching first and I get many diff musts that have to be done about editing files . If any1 has any info they have time to share that be awrsome, if not I'll just live with it as viperxl is good that I almost don't mind being on this jacked up 1.14 hboot ...:what:

Thx ...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ImagioX1:
You cannot install a ruu that older than the version your're running. In other words if your're running version 2.20 you cannot downgrade to 1.85. You can only ruu 2.20 or a newer version.

Edit: I hope I made myself clear.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] cbprod:
Hi im new to the venom rom, and i wanted to try something that was jellybean and so far im loving it, cant wait for the tweaks. my question is i cant get links to open up in the youtube app, in fb or in twitter if i click on a youtube link it always goes into chrome. i cleared the data for chrome, fb, and all apps. but it does not give me an option to open up in youtube. only in the browser and a app i downloaded callled tubemate. any ideas?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] ethantarheels123:
any way to still join beta testing team? just wondering..
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Megadoug13:
That's your problem right there.... Don't restore your settings. That's the whole point of factory reset. Go re do the Rom. But DON'T load your backed up settings
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jrlatta:
My wife's phone keeps doing the same thing,she is running joker 1.0
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tyessen:
So to get this straight: there still aren't any tweaks for the 3.0.0 JB version? I'm a little reluctant to go back to venom after having some lag issues never present in any other Rom I have tried...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Luisit0:
they're being worked on still and testers are doing their thing with the dev to make it happen soon :D as for lag, i can only agree partially with u as no matter what setup i have/use my pulldown (notifications/quick settings) always lags a tiny bit when opening it, but else nothing lags at all for me and im using the ics version btw
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] monkboy24:
Gotta love it:cool:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] tyessen:
I use the notifications a lot... That's what threw me off last time I installed this (ics version)...
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] CheesyNutz:
lag whats this lag you speak of ??
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] DESERT.TECH:
Lol viper ROMs seem to fly for me with 6800 quad benchmark. V3 was a gift to us before the final release not intended to be tweaked. If you are that impatient try and make a custom ROM with latest leak and one up viper.....VIPER ROMS RULE THE WORLD......
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Turge:
Sorry, did I miss a deadline? Well, no matter for you, it's a laggy rom anyways.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] currydude:
This ROM is so laggy! ETA of lag fix? Quadrant scores aren't even over 9000 :L

On a serious note, just curious, has s2w/s2s been implemented in the 3.1 (still in testing) yet? Or is it a surprise? :P
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] barondebxl:
Viper is amazing, but like Chainfire said, quadrant isn't a reliable benchmark.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] monkboy24:
It is for me!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] thejosh86:
Pretty sure s2w/s2s is a kernel function which probably won't be available till source is available - otherwise it'd probably already be in elemental.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] superchilpil:
Sweep to wake is implemented in the kernel so until we have source we won't have it

Slithered from my HTC One Xl running Viper XL
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] grayfoxmg1:
you are correct sir!

S2W is a kernel driven function, and is probably the thing I miss most from ICS.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Luisit0:
well u gotta turn off some of the features, like for example i turned off the horizontal quick settings and the other one that i forgot what was called, i only left the vertical quick settings and i removed the ones i didnt use, and it doesnt lag much, sometimes it doesnt lag at all! it only lags when i have apps running or loading in the background that take up alot of ram, but honestly any lag from the notif. pulldown is so minimal i barely notice it most of the time
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] monkboy24:
This Rom rocks!!!! If you don't like it you can go build your own Rom! #NO TROLLS ALLOWED!!!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Luisit0:
dammit!! ur almost to 8000!! those r some sick scores bro all ive gotten max is around 76XX
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] currydude:
Ok cool thanks. I knew it was implemented in the previous ics elementalx kernel but found it strange that it was also in Venom Tweaks, so though there was also a rom implementation of s2w. Thanks for the info though.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] chinchillachubby:
WOW !!!!!

I've been here for 2 years and I got like 150 posts

Been a tester for several devs and helped out as I could

Maybe I should just post complaints to up my posts ????

Cause in two months this guy got me beat .....LOL

Is there a complaints department???? Lol
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] grayfoxmg1:
I see stats like this and I can't help but think, WTF is wrong with HTC for not making the stock software fully utilize all of the hardware's potential.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] NJGSII:
Yeah you missed the deadline, that's it I'm done with this..............Just kidding, 3.0.0 has been nothing but great for me.

Release the next version whenever you believe that it's ready and not a moment sooner.