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[LG Optimus 2x] N3mesis:
Guys, in the bitter end its nonsense to compare the O2X and S2 that extremely!

Both have equally good hardware, both are good to write SMS, make calls and use WhatsApp or other usefull apps.

If you want to enjoy games at its best, take the O2X, even with Froyo games work very well, I played GTA III with Gingerbread on my O2X and HDMI out, it looked fine and worked well, while S2 users complained in the first weeks that GTA III is laggin on their devices.

S2 is or might be the better alrounder for everything, even if the O2X can handle everything the S2 can handle.

In the END you choose what you like more, that includes the look, or the "fame" you think the device will give you.. and exactly THAT IS why most people buy iPhones or S2s.. but still life inside a ****hole in the City.. thats exactly what you can see with the people who drive Mercedes or BMW or others in German cities, most of them life in a damn ****hole, but drive a fat car. Its the same with smartphones, but there are exceptions of course. Look back like 6-8 years.. we mostly had different devices.. and all of them were doing their job. Now.. Smartphones, 85% of the functions are useless

In the end you should choose the handset, which is the most practical and economical for you. For me the O2X was the better one. And I compared it to my exgirlfriends device often... (already wrote that stuff somewhere)

Greetings :D
[LG Optimus 2x] galaxyfitankit:
Agreed.....
[LG Optimus 2x] spawndk:
You really beleive post count on XDA Forum has anything todo with what people know or dont know ? So if I just post 1000 stupid posts saying nothing, then Im smart ? You might want to notice that my profile has been here since 2010 and yours since 2012 - not that Im judging you because of that.

I do, but you were the one that started dizzing the SII using argumentation like the 1½ year old video on youtube - thats what I reacted to.

Obviously, but whats your point ? Like I tried to say judging a device is about far more than artificial 3d benchmark numbers or running a game

Who started defending what ? you did, not me.

and since I bought both the O2x and the SII at the day of their release would you mind telling me which piece of **** you are refering to - cause the only one of them having had firmware issues for more than 1½ years now are the O2x - and finally I never called either a pice of **** , you did.

Anyways, all things said, I actually still respect you and your opinions - I dont think youre stupid at all ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] -sandro-:
Don't be ridiculous. Tegra 2 lacks NEON! And have you see the graphic performance of the mali 400 gpu?

If not look here http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
[LG Optimus 2x] galaxyfitankit:
Break up guys s3 is better than both...S 2 and 2x...enjoy atleast we not using Nokia 110....
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
Now we're arguing like adults! Much better!

I'm glad you finally got my point. All I wanted to share with my original post was that I test-drived an S2, completely unbiased, and I didn't feel like my O2X was a clear underdog, and I was happy about it. Because if I had felt "My God this S2 is in a completely different league" than I would be sad I didn't spend the extra 100 bucks for it.

Regarding the S3, I'm not sure I'll be wanting a 4.8" display... But I loved S2's 4.3" display (I'm just talking about size here).
[LG Optimus 2x] rusherreloaded:
Linke everyone telled u before :p the sgs2 is the better phone but compared to tje prince the LGO2x is the Bettler choice. And im sure if(!) An official ICS update will come the developers here can do their work an wie will have a great, amooth and Fall functional Rom...

And be sure, i had many Android devices before, and LG has the best devs here :p
[LG Optimus 2x] darenb4:
Just would like to say I have the o2x my girlfriend has the s2 I prefer my o2x.. it does get frustrating from time to time but honestly having the o2x has taught me so much about android .. having to root and flash custom ROMs kernels etc I probably wouldn't know as much if I got the s2 as you don't really need to customize it.. suppose everything else aside lg has Inspired a lot of brilliant devs to work on the o2x and make it the phone it should have been out of the box (s2 devs do excellent work to)

So point .. depending if you want to use android as a phone platform just to have a smart phone that works s2 is better but if you want a reason to learn how to fix things how to build / compile ROMs do some coding change your ROM every hour just because you can lg o2x is great Fun other that that you can't compare to completely different phones with so many hardware differences.. hope you all see what I'm getting at :)
[LG Optimus 2x] buluba89:
I believe that 2x is very good for its price. In my opinion is better than the s2. The only downfalls hardware wise are

1) ram size

2)no neon instructions.

Nevertheless it feels to me snap pier than s2, until bsod of cource :-p
[LG Optimus 2x] N3mesis:
Don't trust statistics you didnt faked yourself But Mali is the new? So not a competitor to the Tegra 2 rather to the Tegra 3?
[LG Optimus 2x] temasek:
Comparisons of both devices must be base on same android release or else it's not a fair comparison.

S2 currently has ics. O2x doesn't even have a fully working ics yet though we have cm9/cm10 but both are unofficial and lacks proper drivers.

End of day I still like my O2x (though I've an S3)
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
Everyone talks very highly of Samsung's support and of their software, so I wanted to compare a stock S2 with a custom O2X... I think it's not completely illogical to do so... Because one of the selling pitch for the samsung's over the LG's is their better software... what's the point if it's worse than an LG with custom software?... That's why I wanted to compare, that's all!
[LG Optimus 2x] deadlighthk:
But... O2x's camera is not comparable to S2 :rolleyes:
[LG Optimus 2x] skylinegt77:
my opinion, most of you guys dont know how to use your o2x's atherwise you would get to the same conclusion that my friend (who has an s2) got to, first of all, the s2 may be the smoothest of the 2, but when it comes to gaming it cant even get close to o2x and i saw it with my own eyes... theres not many roms completely optimized for the o2x, id say only stock based roms are, cm7 is very cool, but then again id say som1 effed up while porting it for the o2x since it doesnt provide the phone even with the least ammount of smoothness... wanna know why the battery drains faster? your answer is in the attached image
[LG Optimus 2x] msedek:
Lol put cm10 (already available) or cm9.1 (stable) on the S2 and compare it to o2x running (put any rom here) s2 will rape badly the o2x

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Samsung its about to release jb with touchwiz ux (s3 touchwiz) for s2 and note 1.. And lg haven't released ics yet lol... Again even nexus S with poor specs its running jb

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[LG Optimus 2x] eraldo:
Dos the mali 400 render color in 16 bit and the tegra 2s geforce ulp gpu render in 24bit? again another thing to consider.
[LG Optimus 2x] kaspar737:
Really, Mali renders in 16 bit? Lets say I have put San Andreas into 16 bit mode and it looked horrible.
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
I can't understand some people... like I have said many times, one of the strong points people usually talk about regarding Samsung is the superior software and support comparing to LG. This is one of the reasons for it to be more expensive. So I wanted to compare this stock software against my custom O2X. Is that so hard to understand?

Of course if both devices are flashed with custom optimized ROM's for performance you will be benchmarking just the hardware, and that wasn't the point of my thread, the point of my thread was that a phone with superior hardware and samsung's software in it is not all that greater than a custom O2X!!
[LG Optimus 2x] frikou:
I actually like Samsung phones, I think they are really good and Samsung gives good support.

Nonetheless, Samsung phones allways tend to be more expensive, and that's understandable.

Even if Samsung gives good support to their devices, their firmwares are absolutely ugly and annoying to use, Touchwiz looks like Froyo or GB, what's the point for that in ICS or JB?

I personally believe that when official ICS comes to O2X, GS2 will still be a better phone, but the O2X will have a more beautiful and useful custom UI than the GS2.

I have no doubt that GS2 is slightly better than the O2X, but only in some aspects, for gamming, for example, I think the O2X is better.
[LG Optimus 2x] franklin202:
I totally agree with you. I had GS2 and now I'm on GNote. My wife has the O2x. It's been nearly unusable with stock firmware. Installing ParanoidAndroid really made it work the way it should. But it's still crippled due to the missing LG blobs for ICS. The original GS2 never had that problems. Way better support by Samsung. Forget LG. Hope they learned for future phones.
[LG Optimus 2x] Algotis:
The 2x is definitely better in flashing. While the 2x is almost 100% unbrickable, the gs2 is very risky. Also the 2x has better roms.
[LG Optimus 2x] rajdoll:
O2x feels solid, expensive, S2 plasticky, cheap when help in hands. Though S2 had advantages of early JB taste but O2x has fast cought up and some of the latest work really making O2x worth owning now specially given the price differences they had.
[LG Optimus 2x] spawndk:
Im guessing you never actually held an S2 in your hands, or tried it becayse thats just nonsense. The S2 has a metal frame, the only plastic on it are the back cover which are better plastic quality than the backcover on the O2x and it feels extremely solid when holding it.

The S2 simply blows the O2x out of the water in every single aspect and the stock Jelly Bean on the S2 is so good that no rom on the O2x will ever come near it, because of the simple fact that the O2x from the start has been crippled by to litle ram memory. No rom can ever make up for that and its the main reason why the O2x feels so much worse compared to the S2. The S2 with its 1gb ram means that everything can be loaded to and from ram, you never get lag like you do on the O2x because the O2x constantly have to replace the loaded apps from the rom.

The O2x hasnt caught up on anything, never will. Those defending the O2x here simply dont know

I have owned 3 O2x since the day it was released, still has one, and an S2 for more than a year - its just 2 different worlds

For more than a year I have been running stock ICS on my S2, better than any custom rom for O2x ever made, and I got official Stock Jelly bean before my O2x got ICS

You dont need custom roms on the S2 - it just works perfect and smooth as silk - never any lag, never runs out of memory, never need to reboot, it just runs for months and months, better battery time, bigger screen, better camera etc. etc.

Sorry guys, I dont mean to dissapoint anyone but if you havent owned an S2 and used it for a longer period of time you simply have no idea how much better it is. Custom rom or not.
[LG Optimus 2x] kt-Froggy:
Aww... You honestly believe that the frame is metal, don't you? :) I don't blame you -- at first, I thought so, too. Sorry to disappoint you, but it is nothing more than a plastic with a metallic finish. If you don't believe me, scratch it to scrape off the finish -- it will look ugly, but at least you will have no doubt anymore... :D As for the quality of the plastic, I guess it's a matter of taste. To me, O2X material and build quality is waaaay better compared to the S2. And yes, I do have both phones, so please don't tell me I didn't hold S2 in my hands...

As for the rest, I have to agree that S2 is definitely a better phone, all things considered. After using my S2 for over a month, I am certainly not going back to the O2X, just because of an overall better experience. Better specs, very stable, very fast and smooth, stock JB is usable as is. To be fair, it has its own problems -- nothing is perfect, but there are workarounds. I am now using a custom JB ROM (stock-based), simply because it has a lot more customizations compared to a plain stock, without flashing separate mods after mods.

The only thing that I really miss on my S2 is the display quality of the O2X. sAMOLED+ is nice and all, but it's most definitely no competition to an IPS LCD. To my eyes, O2X screen is sooo much better in any way (except the physical size). S2 specs with an IPS LCD would make a perfect combo!

Another thing worth mentioning is the flashing. We all know that O2X is virtually unbrickable, which has truly been a blessing. S2 has a much higher chance of a brick during flashing, especially certain phones with a buggy EMMC chip (I have that one, unfortunately). Besides, somehow it's a very common problem with S2 to lose the EFS folder (which includes your IMEI) when flashing. So, you just have to be very careful with flashing -- this phone is much less forgiving than the O2X...
[LG Optimus 2x] Jishnu Sur™:
Lol my friend who has a S2 says dude your ICS is way better than mine..
[LG Optimus 2x] kt-Froggy:
ICS - may be, I wouldn't know... I never used ICS on S2, upgraded it to JB leak immediately when I bought it. And JB on S2 is great, definitely better than ICS on O2X...

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Actually, I stand corrected... :) Even though the bezel is plastic for sure (no metal parts outside), the inner frame of the S2 is in fact made of metal which looks like magnesium alloy. Don't know about the guts of the O2X...
[LG Optimus 2x] spawndk:
LOL, your friend is so wrong

In the whole year I had stock ICS on my S2, I never had any kind of lag or issues at all, worked perfectly all the time no matter how much multitasking I did.

Now after so long waiting I finally got ICS on my O2x, and it still lags constantly - and offcource it does, upgrading to ICS wont change the fact that it only has 512mb ram, from where you even lose 128 to videoram leaving only 396 mb for Android - and thats simply just not enough. Its not because the LG ICS is bad, it isnt, I actually find it pretty good, but it just cant beat the laws of nature - Its just like running windows with not enough ram.

The only times my O2x doesnt lag is when I dont do anything on it at all ;) Whenever an app gets installed/updated from the playstore the entire phone stalls to a complete halt while doing so, on the S2 I hardly noticed it. Whenever I open something that hasnt been opened instantly before, even a simple thing as the appdrawer, the phone lags while loading and refreshing the icons, on the S2 everything just opens directly from ram. No refreshing, no lag.

On my S2 i constantly had 5-600mb apps loaded in ram and still had almost 400mb left for swapping and the automatic memorymanagement in Android had no problems making sure whichever app I use the most was allways loaded to ram, something it just cant on the LG - its really simple why the S2 runs so much better.

Im not rying to dizz the O2x, Its not that I dont like the O2x, I really do, I like the design, the screen, the LG apps etc, else I wouldent have bought 3 of them, and once something on it has been loaded it runs smoothly enough, the problem is that whenever you open something it has to close down almost everything else in the background because of the ram issue, and then it lags again when you try and open something else. Honestly I allways hoped the best for the O2x, and if just LG hadnt been cheap and loaded 1gb of ram on the damn thing it would have been awesome.

LG learned the lesson, I also have a Nexus 4 (and an Asus Padfone 2) both having 2gb ram, just like LG's new Optimus G, and they all run beautifully
[LG Optimus 2x] Ferrum Master:
Subjective guys. S2 is better, but not that, our O2X is still not bad and admit that. Just a matter of taste. I know that things that belong to others always look prettier :D.

But judging from now. Both of these phones are almost dead. There are other devices too...
[LG Optimus 2x] coolacrille:
Sure, subjective. :rolleyes: The limited ram amount on P990 is and has always been a problem. With JB roms it's very clear. S2 handles it no problem, on the P990 it pushes ones patience to the boiling point.

There will always be other devices. No need to bring that up on XDA.
[LG Optimus 2x] Ferrum Master:
Say that to people who use 384MB Ram X10, and it works fine and I still have my Raechell, they just booted CM10.1 alpha from point blank.

So it is subjective...
[LG Optimus 2x] kt-Froggy:
I never said O2X was bad... :) And I do like some things about O2X more that S2. But the overall experience on S2 is definitely better, subjective or not. And as for being dead, well... S2 is (objectively) in much better shape - it has more life left in it than O2X (the patient is rather alive than dead, as the old joke goes... :))
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
I have no idea why you dug up this old thread, but regarding RAM, give me a couple of minutes and I'll attach a nice screenshot so you can see how much RAM I have available in my JB ROM and I think you will be amazed.

EDIT: There you go. Still think RAM is a limitation on this phone? Cuz I don't...
[LG Optimus 2x] spawndk:
There you go what ? you dont get it Lars

Its not about how much free ram you have (free ram is wasted ram, allthough to litle free ram will also have a negative impact)

- its about how many apps can be preloaded to the fast ram ready for action.

So you have 248mb of apps loaded to ram, and 127mb free

The S2 has 600mb of apps loaded to ram, and still 350mb free

Now what does that mean ?

This means that the amount of apps loaded to RAM ready for instant lagfree action are much much higher on the S2, and the amount of free ram it can use when the system or some app temporarily needs more ram are equally much higher

The LG can only hold 248mb apps preloaded in RAM - thats not alot compared to the S2 and the concequence is that very often (much more often than the S2) you try to open an app which isnt preloaded to ram, or when the system or an app requests more ram, the LG has to first shut down some of the preloaded apps to free up ram and/or then load the new app (or the app that was shut down to temporarily free up ram) from the much slower rom memory - this causes LAG.

Its pretty obvious from these numbers why in practical use the S2 feels so much smoother, and basically never lags (compared to how often the LG lags) - if you cant see that you just dont understand how memory management is handled in Android (or any other multitasking OS for that matter) and what the purpose of RAM is. Why do you think new models now have 1-2gb ram ? simple, to make them work smooth, all the time, not just when doing a single task.

This is also a reason why comparing benchmark numbers is mostly useless - because these benchmark apps are loaded to ram before running and only show some theoretical hardware performance of the rest of the hardware - they cant show how overall use of the phone feels, they cant show how the phone gets bugged down everytime it runs out of ram.

The O2x is crippled by a poor design choise from LG - really sad because everything else about the O2x is really good, and it had the potential to be a much better phone - so yes RAM is a hughe limitation in this phone, and the single biggest reason for poor overall performance, its not about CPU performance (which is fine), not about individual graphics performance (which is fine), its about the difference between starting apps that are preloaded to ram vs apps that need to load from the rom, and the effect this has on overall general performance when using the phone, switching between different apps or tasks, multitasking etc.

Doesnt matter what you do in the OS, doesnt matter how much you increase cpu speed or graphics performance - if you dont have the needed physical ram you will experience LAG

The problem even just gets worse the more you use the features of the phone, things like widgets, live wallpapers, different launchers etc are loaded to ram and leave less space for other apps to be preloaded - causing more lag.

So your screenshot really doesnt show that ram is not a limitation, but actually verifies that it is.
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
Of course I get it.

I also get that all that you said is true and very pretty on paper.

But at the end of the day, user experience is still great on my O2X, a well tuned O2X kicks a stock S2 any day of the week, and even though a well-tuned S2 might very well be smoother/more responsive than an O2X, there's still a significant price difference.

What I mean to say is that before we had JB on our phones a lot of people were saying that 512 MB of RAM would probably make LG drop the plans of JB for our phone because it wouldn't be enough... well guess what, it's not only enough, it's actually an amount of RAM that allows you to have some apps preloaded in RAM, like you said, without rendering the phone unusable.

I'm not a really heavy user, I browse facebook, I check my e-mails, I use gTalk, sometimes browse the web, check my bank account... very honestly, I don't think having another half a gig of RAM would make much difference to me. The most difference would probably be the 4.3" screen of an S2, which would allow me to browse the web a bit nicer, and see photos a bit better, that's it...

Just an opinion anyways!
[LG Optimus 2x] kt-Froggy:
That may very well be true, but totally depends on an individual usage pattern and a user's expectations and tolerance... In other words, this is indeed totally subjective.

Very questionable, to say the least... Again, this is purely subjective, unless demonstrated by some sort of formalized tests. But who would bother doing that? :) And benchmark scores are utterly useless, even though some people may think otherwise...

True, but at the moment in the second-hand market, even though the average price differs quite a bit, there are plenty of chances to get an S2 for the price below that of a typical O2X... $125-$150 for a nice S2 sounds pretty good, doesn't it? That's what I regularly see on my local CL, and that's what I paid for my S2 two months ago...
[LG Optimus 2x] nocio:
Soo, you wanna say that you have a lot of money? :thumbup:
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
You're right, benchmark scores are useless. I've had multiple S2's in my hand and test drove them (all stock) and none of them felt as smooth as my O2X doing all sorts of things, simply browsing through the UI/homescreen/settings, browsing the web, opening/closing apps.

I'm obviously not saying the O2X is better than the S2, it depends, like you said and well, on how you use it, how big you like your screen, etc etc... but still, at the time I bought mine, the S2 was significantly more expensive (new), and I still think I made a good choice, as I'm able to have a great experience with JB on my O2X!
[LG Optimus 2x] kt-Froggy:
Amen to that! :) Because, honestly, this is all that matters.
[LG Optimus 2x] coolacrille:
I'm really sorry to say this, but you seem to be a LG fanboy.

EVERY argument about the limited memory is true. If you actually believe what you are saying, I would be worried. Borderline religous actually.

I absolutely love my O2X for the screen and excellent battery life with CM7. But how on Earth they decided to cut back on memory is a mystery to me. Stupid decision which they probably regretted deeply. If you don't think it has had an impact on the device I have to say you are an idiot. Sorry, but that is my honest opininon.
[LG Optimus 2x] apsheheer:
S2 have otg support,and 2x don't.that's a big drawback
[LG Optimus 2x] spawndk:
No, I only wanted to illustrate that I have first hand experience with many Android devices (and iOS devices for that matter), also had several other devices before the O2x, and therefore do have something to compare with. Its not about money at all, testing mobile devices is just part of my job, and some of them I get for free. How much money I have is irrelevant cause that makes no difference if Im right or wrong. ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] maharu567:
Very true.