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[HTC Salsa] vigoos:
Ok HTC has replied once more and once more will I mail them for lies....

" Dear Vignesh Iyer,

Thank you for contacting HTC.

This is in continuation of our previous correspondence.

In regards to your queries, we would like to inform you that after thorough testing done by the technicians, ICS has only been released with the devices that can support the upgraded software. As mentioned in the previous mail, there's a difference between the devices which are made for the ICS and the devices which can get ICS. HTC Desire C was made for ICS and HTC Salsa cannot get ICS.

We would also like to inform you that out of the total internal memory displayed for your device, some memory is allotted for the operating system and the inbuilt applications. The rest of the space left is for the users.

Also, we would like to inform you that since you have rooted the device, it is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty.

If you have any further questions or comments, please feel free to email us or call us at our contact center 1800-266-3566, Mon to Sun – 9:00 am to 8:00 pm.

Thank you once again for your continued patronage.

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Sincerely,

Viplove

HTC"

---------- Post added at 03:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:03 PM ----------

Now this Is what I sent them

Okay,

Firstly, why do you release your phones so soon? Salsa that I bought just a year back becomes outdated for you? This is simply outrageous. Let me tell you that supposing I buy some small phone like a Desire C or something equivalent this, this kind of support means that by April 2013 it will become obsolete according to this new ridiculous standard of technology. I never thus will buy an HTC in future.

And your unlocking bootloader is just a joke. No kernel, no good ROM, not even a little tech support. Sounds like a drab joke to me. I alone don't say this but all your users say so.

Thank you for lying behind the phone cover. Even a small asterisk would have worked but it looks like you lie quite well. There is no such system memory in my other Evo 3D. You lose loyal customers because of this fact. This was nothing but a big, fat, white lie.

Do you take me to be a kid? Giving a footer saying unlocking a bootloader is dangerous. Let other users do it on their own to void their warranty and cover up such a cruel and intentional mistake of yours.

You did not reply to my issue stating minimum required memory on gingerbread.

Awaiting a proper reply,

Vignesh Iyer

Sent from HTC Salsa running unofficial CyanogenMod 7.
[HTC Salsa] vigoos:
I got so many ideas for an app... need someone to just code them.... you will be a millionaire. Mind it.Just don't give them in such places-

https://www.htcdev.com/myapp

They ran away from support.. God knows what they will do with my app ideas.
[HTC Salsa] karanparikh:
If you have an idea you can monetize it quite quickly today, you just need help programming and your friends could surely help you out. Google has now enabled Indian developers to sell paid apps - http://android-developers.blogspot.in/2012/10/google-play-seller-support-in-india.html

As far as Salsa goes, just make sure its compatible :silly:

On topic- I don't think HTC cares one penny about Salsa, their style of communication with you suggests nonetheless. :crying:. They just care about their flagship series like the One series and Desire series. Everything else for them is a roadkill.
[HTC Salsa] vigoos:
Thanks, it would be nice if you can suggest me someone to learn programming in Pune so that things can get easy for me,:rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 01:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:53 PM ----------

Yes. But we can't wander without resources. If every developer comes to know about this attitude of theirs, HTC will fall in line. They are targeting college population in India with desire and one series . Unfortunately there aren't many developers in this age group. Still our focus must be on spreading the word.
[HTC Salsa] vigoos:
One more mail from HTC, one more lie from them... sic.. what to do?

Dear Vignesh Iyer,

Thank you for contacting HTC.

This is in continuation of our previous correspondence.

In regards to your queries, we would like to inform you that HTC Explorer, HTC Wildfire S and HTC Chacha along with many other devices are running on Gingerbread (Android 2.3.x) and none of them have 1GB internal memory. That means that 1 GB internal memory is not a requirement for Android Gingerbread to run on devices.

In regards to your other concerns, we would like to inform you that not all consumers are tech savvy and tend to get uncomfortable to deviate from the software already provided in the device. To those who like to experiment and want more in a device, we have a website (www.htcdev.com), you can log in to this website and use the ROM's as needed. All the steps and procedures to the needful are mentioned on the website, however, support is not provided for unlocking the device.

HTC Desire C was manufactured with keeping Android 4.0 (ICS) kept in mind and at the time of development of HTC Salsa, Android 2.3 was the latest OS in the market and that is what was used in the device.

The technical team of HTC has found that ICS is not compatible with certain devices and that is the reason it has not been released for said devices. Where it was found compatible, the update has been released. HTC Salsa is not one of the devices and as such will not be getting the update.

Also, we would like to inform you that although on the HTC website it displays that “ Storage (1) : Internal phone storage:512 MB, RAM:512 MB”

If you scroll down and check what the (1) stands for, you'll be able to see that “The actual available internal phone storage may differ depending on the software configuration of your phone.”

If you have any further questions or comments, please feel free to email us or call us at our contact center 1800-266-3566, Mon to Sun – 9:00 am to 8:00 pm.

Thank you once again for your continued patronage.

Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.

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Sincerely,

Viplove

HTC

Sent from my HTC Salsa C510e using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
[HTC Salsa] Go.Bin:
I think they really not answering why there's no future updates for us, they keep telling us what we already know.. Geez

Or they already have protocols to answer about ics complaints :sly:

HTC Salsa with Unofficial CM7
[HTC Salsa] vigoos:
I have sent them 2 mails to see their responsiveness

One states them to ask if they are interested in app ideas.

The other asking them proper email Id of Taiwan branch.

Dear members please tell me what to write in the next mail hopefully to the Taiwan branch.

Sent from my HTC Salsa C510e using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
[HTC Salsa] karanparikh:
Vignesh, I would recommend you to pester them (HTC) more towards releasing source codes for the kernel, binaries (2.3.5) and further updates on the Gingerbread to make the phone more interesting for the normal user. :cyclops: Other members have done that in the past, citing Chacha's update to (2.3.5) as a possible protagonist to getting a Salsa update.

Furthermore, kernel codes will give the developers a platform to start CM9/10 and other ROMS more efficiently. Even though we know that they have started working on it, I guess its far from complete. :confused:

Enjoy
[HTC Salsa] vigoos:
Call it done brother. Will surely put the demands forward. We deserve a lot for the amount we paid.

So guess what, I researched and found out that over 30% of the phones by HTC have same specs. The problem for their not releasing timely update is too many phones.
[HTC Salsa] vigoos:
Done Karan, Sent the mail. Courtesy of specsheet bu theschnedi

Okay HTC, As I could not contact the main branch of yours, I write this. 1>HTC ChaCha got a 2.3.5 update. Why not we? Again same specifications except for the keyboard. 2>There is no kind of note given in the phone box. I am attaching with this mail a scanned copy of your phones box with the internal memory part highlited in red. 3>None of your phones like Wildfire S, ChaCha or Salsa have 1 GB internal memory and so they do not run properly. I bet you can't install above 25 apps for sure. 4>We are working towards porting various ROM's on Salsa and upgrades are easily possible. How can you then say that ICS is incompatible with Salsa. We want to see you releasing source codes for the kernel, binaries (2.3.5) and further updates on the Gingerbread to make the phone more interesting for the normal user and for ourselves to justify to ourselves that we bought a white elephant. 5>Not all but many consumers are tech savvy. So many of us who purchased Salsa rooted our phones. Some have even thrown it in the thrash can. This justifies our frustration with you. 6>I got my Salsa at INR 15000. If that sounds peanuts to you, get me a new and better phone. The salsa was a waste buy for many. WE WANT UPDATES WE WANT TO SEE YOU releasing source codes for the kernel, binaries (2.3.5) and further updates on the Gingerbread to make the phone more interesting for the normal user and us.
[HTC Salsa] theschneidi:
;)

Wish you good luck, hope that HTC will think about their customer.
[HTC Salsa] karanparikh:
Hey Vignesh, Great effort. Thanks to theschnedi for helping him out. :laugh:

I bought my Salsa too from Bombay for a lot and my expectations were much more. I always thought if XDA members can release up to Jelly Bean ROMS for both Chacha and Wildfire S then why not for Salsa. All mind you having more or less hardware specifications. :cool:

Unfortunately I have been wrong, Many developers have overlooked this model and I dont have any justification is to why ?:confused:

Off- topic - - To make the matters worst here at my university, no one even recalls this phone being released. :mad:
[HTC Salsa] vigoos:
Yes. INR 15000 sounds peanuts to no one. We deserve a better OS for this phone of ours.

They did it.... why not we? We will surely get an awesome ROM.I call it my Diwali gift from XDA

Off the topic- HTC is called a business phone in our school. More than half the population in our school and my tuts don't know what is HTC?

Sent from my HTC Salsa C510e using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
[HTC Salsa] vigoos:
Dear Vignesh Iyer,

Thank you for contacting HTC.

This is in continuation of our previous correspondence.

In regards to your concerns, we would like to inform you that HTC Salsa (like HTC Chacha) can be upgraded to Android 2.3.5 and the FOTA updates for the same was already been released. If in case you have not received the updated, we request you to provide us with the IMEI or S/N number of your device, this will help us to provide you with accurate solution. You can check the following details through the following ways:

By going to Menu → Settings → About phone → Phone identity

You can also check for the IMEI and S/N on the purchase invoice, handset box of the device and also by dialing *#06#

In regards to the Kernel code and RUU files for rooting your device, we would like to inform you that HTC does not provides support for rooting the device or already rooted devices. we do not recommend our HTC customers to convert or root the device as doing so voids the warranty of the device and also it may cause hardware to malfunction.

The necessary step and instruction to root the device is mentioned on our HTCdev website. You just need to follow those instruction to root the device, however, we do not provide support for rooting and unlocking the bootloader.

Disclaimer: Unlocking your device allows you to install custom Operating Systems (“OS”) onto your device. Custom OS’s are not tested as thoroughly as your original OS, and unlocking your device may void all or parts of your warranty. HTC disclaims any and all liability for proper functioning of your device after the bootloader has been unlocked and for data lost in the unlocking process. To prevent unauthorized access to your data, unlocking the bootloader will delete all personal data from your device including applications, text messages and personalized settings.

Note: It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty.

The updates for source codes for kernel(s) and binaries may or may not be released for your devices, however, we will not be able to comment on the same.

Please note that Android 2.3.5 (Gingerbread) is a software by Google and any and all updates are released by Google first and then sent to the device's companies.

If you have any further questions or comments, please feel free to email us or call us at our contact center 1800-266-3566, Mon to Sun – 9:00 am to 8:00 pm.

Thank you once again for your continued patronage.

Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.

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Sincerely,

Viplove

HTC

I HAVE THUS DECIDED TO INVITE PEOPLE FROM CHACHA, WILDFIRE S AND EXPLORER FORUM AND TAKE COLLECTIVE ACTION AGAINST HTC AND GIVE A BAD DOSE TO THESE LOUSY BUGGERS.
[HTC Salsa] theschneidi:
It would be very nice, if it becomes true. But my Salsa says .. no updates available. I still have Software-Version 1.12.401.10 with Android 2.3.3.
[HTC Salsa] vigoos:
MY FUTURE COURSE ACTION WILL BE THAT I'LL MAKE A BLOG AGAINST HTC AND CALL PEOPLE FROM ALL FORMUS TO COME AND TROUBLE HTC. I AM DOING THIS BECAUSE MONEY DOES NOT GROW ON TREES AND I WANT TO EXTRACT MY MONEYS I PUT ON THIS PHONE. BLOG WILL BE MADE ON 20 NOVEMBER 2012 AD.

Sent from my HTC Salsa C510e using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] saravanan_ganesan:
Hi there,

I was running my ATT SGH I777 with Nexus Jellybean till yesterday and i downgraded it into ICS 4.0.4 again due to many applications compatibaility issues. I liked the full screen caller images in the JB phone dialer app. However, I have tried many third party caller image applications from Play store. I was not satisfied the way they are working. Is there any way we can change the Phone.apk or dialer application in ICS to get the full screen caller images?

Any help or sharing you thought process would be appreciated.

:confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] 122ninjas:
How are you on 4.0.4? I thought that wasn't on our phone?

Sent from my SGH-I777
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Eternalty:
There is 4.0.4 on custom ROMs unless he's on stock then ur right he would be on 4.0.3

Sent from Team Pirate
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] saravanan_ganesan:
Yeah, i am running on SHOSTOCK2 custom ROM with the kernal version

3.0.40-Siyah-s2-v4.1.1-mswap+ktoonsez@ktoonsex-VirtualBox #2...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Eternalty:
Aokp has full screen contact pic

Sent from Team Pirate Headquarters
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hubertes:
Hi,

quite a noob here, I red http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1313659

because I need a warranty replacement.

I would like to go to I9100XWLPT_I9100XEULPA_XEU

What about the brick bug ? What about the bootloader ?

Quite lost here.

Thank you
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jokesy:
Gingerbread bootloader will work for ICS Roms.

-once you upgrade to 4.0.4 Note that:

If you are going to mess with your phone ,Just flash a custom kernel like Siyah, speedmod, Dorimanx, Dream at once, if you have plans to root your phone.

- If you are going to stay without ROOT, then you are safe, there it's no need to worry about the brick bug.

Why?

-Because stock ICS 4.0.4 kernel has a brick bug enabled on it.

-This bug is also present on all kernels based on stock 4.0.4 kernel. CF-ROOT (maybe) and all insecure kernels fall into this category

What will happen?

-If after rooting your phone after upgrading to 4.0.4, and you wipe your phone or try ROM backup while running stock/stock based kernels then say goodbye to your phone.

Swyped from Samsung Galaxy SII
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hubertes:
Thanks !

So better stay with a 4.0.3 stock rom ?

From Revo HD6, is there a specific operation to chnage kernel/bootloader ?

Can I root the phone for 2 or 3 days and unroot, so thaht the warranty department get a clean SGS2 (have a jig)

thanks again
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jokesy:
1. If you don't want to change your kernel, then stay with 4.0.3 (LPG or UHLPS), however 4.0.4 is the most stable ICS version.

2. When you flash a new ROM, tor kernel will be changed.

Manually Changing kernel is very easy especially, when you root your phone

3. Rooting ICS is the easiest thing on earth, much easier than gingerbread.

4. UNrooting is even easier than rooting.

5. There is no need for you to change your bootloader, except you are looking for something else

Swyped from Samsung Galaxy SII
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hubertes:
thanks again

1. OK. i'll go on 4.0.4 after the rma

2. Just want to be sure that the kernel will be "stock" as well for rma

3.4. Just need titanium for 4 or 5 days. here the procedure ? : techclap.com/9754/root-unroot-samsung-galaxy-sii-stock-android-4-ics-firmware/ ? Or just flash the stock rom again to unroot ?

5. Ok
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jokesy:
You can use that method to UNROOT too or just reflash stock kernel again.

Swyped from Samsung Galaxy SII
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] shankinstuff:
ATT keeps asking me to upgrade to 2.20 and gave me options to postpone for 1,4 or 8 hours. I've been holding off with the hope that someone will get a bootloader unlock and root scheme for either 1.85 or 2.20 before committing to the upgrade. I kept postponing 8 hours, but now they're only giving me the option of 1 hour. Anyone know how I can get rid of this entirely or get back to 8 hours?

Thanks
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] vioalas:
If I remember correctly (on cleanrom now so I ignore the stuff) I went to running apps, and there's something called htcDM just force close it. Are you using a launcher? That's how it worked for me.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
There is a root and bootloader unlock for 1.85, they're in the development section. Root and unlock now, and then flash a custom ROM like CleanROM and you won't ever see the update notice again.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] x0149128:
Hi,

I've picked up a motorola defy, and am wondering what is the most recent e.g ICS, rom that is stable and everything works?

So far i've rooted the phone and that's about it.

It's a 2.51 UK phone.

I'm familiar with the HTC Desire S roms, but haven't a clue when it comes to the Defy.

I've searched through the dev forum, but can't quite get an indication of what's what.

Sorry for the noob question.

Thanks for any replies.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] niksy+:
Did you maybe already found out if it has green (SOC) lens or red (bayer) lens camera module? SOC only works on Froyo kernels, while bayer works on both Froyo and Gingerbread kernels. (Which is not of great importance, cause almost all ROM's are available for both kernels)

Anyways... What do you like? Here are some of my recommendations...

For MIUI v2 - Pikachu MIUI (WIUI comes 2nd, as Pikachu had fewer bugs for me and was overall snappier)

For MIUI v4 - WIUI v4

For CM7(.2) - maniac103's builds or FuZZ's KANG's - almost the same, but details do make them different

For CM9 - Epsylon3 made the latest CM9 builds with the final fixes and touches

For AOKP ICS - There's a Milestone 6 coming up soon, built by Kayant (he's building from source, port's can't compare with that)

For JellyBean - I must say I would recommend ParanoidAndroid, which is based on CMX, but somehow manages to be snappier and much better at RAM management. AOKP JP alpha is snappy, too, when compared to CMX. Although the CMX I'm talking about is the one build by Quarx, but people do say tha Epsylon's builts are better performance-wise.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] x0149128:
Thanks.

From the looks of my lens it's bayer.

Are any of those roms a default/minimal ice cream sandwich? That's all i'm after really, as I guess jelly bean will have loads of stuff not working correctly yet.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sa3e1:
Actually CM10 is working as good as CM9, maybe better. But I must say, I switched to CM10 since the 2nd nightly, and never went back to CM9, so maybe there was an improvement since that in CM9 nightlys...

But you should try them all and choose which you like :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] niksy+:
When you say minimal, I'm assuming you mean feature-wise, not GUI-wise, so I guess the best choice for you would be to wait up for AOSP Jelly Bean which Kayant is trying to build from source here - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1824551 :)

If you don't want Jelly Bean, but ICS, then I think this is the way to go - CM9 Moto Ice Gun - http://www.custom-android.de/portfolio/cm9-motoicegun-edition/ (you can find it in the defy development forum, too). Most of the guys who tested it claim that it's the fastest ICS ROM for the Defy. :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shubhamqweasd:
i still think , that CM9 is the most stable rom for defy :D

CM9 is fatser then GB , ICS if definitely better then GB in all terms :D

so a recent stable rom - CM9 .

but in near future , if TI releases proper SGX drivers for our devices .. then , m sure CM10 will be the most stable rom for defy .
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ppero196:
IMHO I would choose CM10

What Kayant is doing isn't pure AOSP. It has some fixes!

I was talking with Quarx recently and he said that CM10 is very similar to pure AOSP..so trust me...go CM10
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] x0149128:
I've given AOKP ICS milestone 5 a go.

Seems to be lacking polish compared to the HTC ICS roms with sense 3.6 - I guess that's something i'm going to have to get used to. I don't like his boot screen either.

When I say minimal i mean without a bunch of pre-installed stuff like games, twitter etc..
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sa3e1:
Boot screen can be changed for one you like :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ppero196:
All ROMs are minimal then!

They come only with essential apps preinstalled (DSP manager, HWA Settings and FM Radio) + default ROM ones (phone..camera...you know)

This is app set up for CM10
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m4manusraj:
Go for cm10

Go for CM10..i have been using it since the first nightly of quarx..

i would recommend you to try quarx builds ...because it is updated frequently..
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Walking dead:
go for pa 2.0. It is stable
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ppero196:
Pa 2.0 is based on Quarx ROMs!

Plus Pa doesn't have working tether like Quarx build
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g440i:
I can't have working tether since CM9 from Quarx or E....

I don't know whether I'm using BL6 kernel (2.3.6) on Defy which cause this problem.

Also, since CM9, I can't play myTV (apps from TVB) live broadcast.

Anyone can help to try it on your CM9/10? Here is the apps:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quickplay.tvbmytv
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SuperSkill:
Quarx,no doubt, he develops this. Anyways, if it includes some apps you don't want or some to add simply do this with an archiver manager on computer...
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] act_tony:
Hi all!

What stable ROM do you guys recommend for Defy green lens? I recently installed the most stable CM7 and I like but there are some thing I don't quite like, like the incompatibility with Titanium backup, the vibration issue for notifications, and the battery life didn't improve significantly. So, I am looking for the one but without having to flash 7-8 roms, that where you guys coming in, which rom out there is the best and stable for defy green lens?

And if you could include a download link would be great, because I encountered so many sites with links and versions and rom and kernels, and this and that, that is confusing for a newbie like me.

Thank you! :)