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[About XDA developers] Teo032:
i like the part where the guy who reported it, kept on crying this is warez, this is warez! like what this OP was saying. If you're using any of the ROMs that uses the s3 launcher... WAREZ~!

like dude just report it if you don't like it and move on.
[About XDA developers] elesbb:
In America they are trying to pass laws which allow the government full control of the internet.. it's honestly scary.
[About XDA developers] darkside79:
Yea just another way the feds/government are trying to control us! So.much for land of the free! Nothing is free here. What a joke! Lol

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[About XDA developers] tsuda:
Good question. I wondered the same thing.

There is a thread on a modified version of skype that actually gives audible ring tones, among other things that skype developers neglected. It's quite ingenious work.

Is it warez too??
[About XDA developers] TheLastSidekick:
Everyone at some point or another has used warez. I do however agree the Dropbox .apk wasn't warez but however was an exploit. I myself used it because morally I see nothing wrong with it and I thank the guy. I support Drop box and have been using it for as long as I can remember. When people steal from developers like Applanet did before it got closed down, well that's just unacceptable.
[About XDA developers] playya:
Did not realize there was such shakey ground when figuring out what warez is. Quite simple it has always been any modified app(usually paid) that has been made to use without purchase of a license. Lets be honest warez have been around for ever and ever and a day. Some of the people that cry about stuff really need to go sit down somewhere.

Its ok to cry about eg. dropbox but then use a rom with the wifi hack in it? Download mp3's with a special app or use one of the many other questionable apk's according to his/her definition of warez.

Definition for warez:

Web definitions:

Warez refers primarily to copyrighted works distributed without fees or royalties, and may be traded, in general violation of copyright...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez
[About XDA developers] mikef:
With regards to the specific dropbox.apk, it is stealing since that space on dropbox was not allocated to users of older phone models. I wouldn't call it "warez" as such, but it was allowing people to have access to space that they did not pay for or that the manufacturer of their phone did not pay for through their deal with dropbox. Dropbox allows people to have a certain amount of space for free. People using this apk were taking more than they were allowed to access. That is wrong and XDA should not allow it.

The difference between that apk and other apks being ported over is that this apk was not designed to run as a self contained application like a game or something, but as a link to off-device storage. These are very different situations so not really analogous. An inexact but somewhat better analogy would be a paid application for a specific device that someone else ports to another device but they are charging for it and not giving money or credit to the original developer. This is not right and would also not be allowed on XDA.

Also, Dropbox DID reclaim that space. I know a number of people in the Sensation forum were sent notices and lost that extra space and the stuff on it.
[About XDA developers] tsuda:
If we extend your argument to a ROM, which is a collection of Apps and system,

if someone ports the sgs3 launcher to sgs2, is that warez?

If someone ports the HTC sense to sgs, is that warez?

Should the whole mod community be shut down?
[About XDA developers] mikef:
Samsung and HTC might say yes to those questions. I don't know myself, this is a gray area and the XDA team seems to take the general approach that if a reasonable person could think it is warez, then it is removed to avoid potential liability issues for the site as a whole.

For the launcher and sense specifically, I am not positive but I believe that the source code has been released and is available to all to download and compile, putting them on a completely different level than compiled apks which have been modified.
[About XDA developers] zelendel:
We have had this talk many times. The deal is that the devices OEM has paid said service for the ability to offer it on the phone. If it is used on any other phone that it was not paid to be on is what makes makes it warez. Like swype. It is allowed to be in a rom if the device came with it preinstalled but if it wasn't then it is considered warez. If a company asks us to pull it then we will.

As for the launchers. If Sense was ever fully ported to a non HTC device be sure that HTC would issue a C&D order that we would follow and then pull all links for it.

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[About XDA developers] PulldOvr:
The twiz launcher has been ported to non Samsung devices.

Also wouldn't things like the old NFL app that was ported to non Verizon phones be the same situation? Those forums weren't closed the entire season until Verizon fixed it permanently then it didn't matter. Or porting the Sony launcher to a Samsung device, or porting the COD game from the xperia play... these are all examples of the exact same situation as the drop box situation. I don't use drop box that much so it doesn't matter to me, I just don't understand the line between porting for a benefit of developing and warez. Understanding how to get an app to work across different devices is considered developing isn't it? Cyanogen got a C&D letter for developing a version of android to be released on a device that got the exact same version months later. So in theory, isn't every JB port considered to be warez? Every leak? Every ported leak?

Situations like this are what cause a lower likelihood of people contributing back. If someone found an exploit, let the app creators fix the hole. That's the way it was for the NFL app. That was eventually turned into a hack. Then Verizon found a way to block it so only their customers could use it.

Just my $0.02

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[About XDA developers] zelendel:
As for the CM team they got a C&D order to remove the gapps from their rom, which they did and is the reason AOSP roms dont have them included.

No that is not considered Developing. That is just porting. Big diff.

Understand that XDA works in the grey on alot of things, but if we get asked to pull something from the apps developers then we will pull it.
[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
An example of what zelendel said about being asked to remove something, can be found here - http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1891055&postcount=287

Velcro. What a rip off!
[About XDA developers] PulldOvr:
As I understood, the C&D was for releasing their newest market without permission. The agreement was made to remove gapps and make a recovery of them available to people who use them. This is also where the development for CM started taking off. This leaves then issue of gapps for all ROMs then. Since they are still ports are to be removed and added using the flash able zip (aosp style)?

I'm not trying to cause a rift. Just trying to help define a line. Does this mean drop box contacted a mod and asked the file to be removed?

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[About XDA developers] tsuda:
The dropbox offer was only good for two years. It's just a marketing promo to get new users hooked and then charge them the normal rate. Maybe they are happy to have more people hooked. Otherwise why wouldn't they block it or reverse it at the server side?

Regarding software intended for a certain phone us considered warez If used on another phone, is there an official statement about this from the phone manufacturers??
[About XDA developers] PulldOvr:
This is my exact point. This "ware" was helping them build a customer base more than hurt them and it was still a free app either way. I'm confused by this whole situation. Guess I should have just kept quite in the corner as I normally do :P

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[About XDA developers] zelendel:
It is simple. If we are contacted then bit goes. I will not disclose what is done by the admins of the site. If we say it is warez the. It is warez on this site and will not be allowed to be posted.

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[About XDA developers] PulldOvr:
Simply saying you were contacted by drop box would have solved this entire conversation. C&D's and emails from other manufacturers had been discussed or even posted in forums before. The"because we said so" approach is kind of childish.

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[About XDA developers] zelendel:
So is questioning the rules in another's house. I didn't say that because I was not informed of such. I was informed that the admins say it is warez. As this is their site that is all I needed to know.

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[About XDA developers] PulldOvr:
Wow ... guess I struck a nerve? "Another's house" I never questioned the rules. I simply wanted clarification on what crosses the line. This "house" wouldn't exist without the community it supports. Countless hours spent by people in their free time. I'm glad I don't have anything invested in this site.

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[About XDA developers] zelendel:
No nerve struck. Trust me. There is nothing you could do that could strike a nerve with me. the rules are simple. If it is a paid app then it is warez. If the developers contact us to remove any software. Then it is removed. We are not here to rip anyone off. Want to save yourself then think about it. If you have doubts then get the thoughts of a mod before hand.

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[About XDA developers] tsuda:
None of us want XDA shut down because of warez issues. That's why OP wondered about what the rules are.

Despite the attempts to define those rules after the fact, it seems there is no clear and consistent rule when it comes to redistributing Apps/ROMs.

That's OK for me.
[About XDA developers] zelendel:
I will put it as clear as i can. I know it can be confusing. And seem vague. As per a different rule. You need the developers permission before using their work.

Now HTC, Samsung, MS, Google, and all the others know what we do here. While yes if they wanted to they could issue a C&D order for everyone that posts a rom built off an OEM release. As they are not hosted on XDA the OEM Leave us alone unless it is major. AOSP based roms are fine and anything open source. Apps on the other hand are not licenced under the gpl.

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[About XDA developers] tsuda:
Still the apps "rule" is not consistent since a lot of modded apps are allowed, like skype, but some apps like dropbox from some new device are not allowed.

Again I like XDA and do not wish it to be shut down, even if there are no consistent rules. There is no need to defend it.
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
:confused:

Skype is a free app, modifying it is no issue.

Taking a DEVICE SPECIFIC dropbox apk that gives the user EXTRA STORAGE that they are NOT ENTITLED TO is an issue.

Why should the rules be consistent between two different situations...?

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[About XDA developers] BretonGirl:
I'm amazed at how many people don't understand that the Dropbox app was allowing people to steal. The owners of the phone that app belonged are the only ones entitled to get the extra space for free. The carrier or phone manufacturer paid for that privilege to be given to the phone's owners and only to them. I pay $10 a month to Dropbox for the extra space. That apk allowed people to get something to for free they were not entitled to. That's stealing and XDA was right to remove the link.
[About XDA developers] PulldOvr:
The promotion allowed the extra space for free for a limited time. Not indefinitely. It allowed a larger user base for drop box so as a company they were just as beneficial as the receiver. If you paid $10 a month, then you didn't have the app that is a part of this discussion.

As for skype. I was only available on select phones with select features. The apk was modded and distributed to give the benefit to others. This qualifies as the exact same situation as drop box.

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[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Are we talking about Skype or Swype here... :confused:

A standalone swype apk is technically considered warez.

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[About XDA developers] mikef:
Since Dropbox went through and retracted all the extra space from users who weren't entitled to it they obviously did not believe it was beneficial.

Dropbox forum post

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[About XDA developers] flastnoles11:
Warez is

If you should be paying for it and did not (or the publisher of the app has explicitly stated not to redistribute in any way (like swype! Still not sure why xda is allowing rom devs to add swype to their roms since the publisher has stated that they don't want swype redistributed...that's what swype beta is for...)) then it is warez. If an app was modified to circumvent restrictions to get you features of the paid version (this includes the dropbox fiasco or a modified pandora to allow unlimited skips and no ads) it is also considered warez...
[About XDA developers] e.mote:
I'm aware that many of XDA's works are "in the gray." For Android, being "gray" is OK since AOS itself is open-source. I think that will change when Win RT meets custom ROMs.

This wouldn't be "warez" in the sense that only owners of said devices can make use of such ROMs. But I'm assuming that if neither MS nor the OEM explicitly objects, then it would be kosher. If they object, then it would be pulled. Is this correct?

In the event that they do object, then I further assuming that scripts that allow users to extract and customize their own ROMs would be kosher?

How does XDA handle the iPad's jailbreak exploits on its Apple sister forum?

In any event, I can see that there will be more "gray area" in the days ahead.
[About XDA developers] PulldOvr:
I still want to know how the NFL app went for almost an entire season and never was considered ware even after Verizon tried everything to block it. I think that forum is still open today.

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[About XDA developers] aloy99:
So apps like AdFree that can be found on the market are warez?
[About XDA developers] flastnoles11:
No, because that's a free app... if you actually read the post you would have seen that I said free apps that are MODDED to allow features of the PAID app are warez... said nothing about disabling ads being warez... but if you add code to an app to allow things like no ads or unlimited skips (using pandora as an example again) and redistribute it, then it is warez... understand now???

Teach a person a day how to search!
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
As far as I'm personally concerned, this is an (incomplete) definition of warez:

The sharing or unauthorised use of something which should be paid for, or would ordinarily be paid for, or which incurs a third party a cost due to your use of it.

What does this mean?

- if it's a paid app, and you download or share a copy, that's warez.

- if it's a free app, and you crack it to remove ads or a limitation that would be removed by buying "Pro", that's warez

- removing a restriction of an app that would incur a cost to the provider (like the dropbox app checking device and allowing 48GB free), that's warez

What's not warez in my personal view is to post something already available readily and free, where nobody (particularly the developer) loses out.

What does annoy me is the number of people who happily state they are pirates and use warez... I have no doubt many people here have downloaded an APK to try it out... But remember, if you don't support developers by buying apps, they won't be able to afford to make more! This is a developer site, and it should be clear that XDA-Developers is categorically AGAINST warez or other infringement of developers' rights. This is a developer site, and expect a backlash if you condone using illegally downloaded apps.
[About XDA developers] tsuda:
If you actually read the thread, you would have seen that the definition of warez keeps changing...

1. "The deal is that the devices OEM has paid said service for the ability to offer it on the phone. If it is used on any other phone that it was not paid to be on is what makes makes it warez."

> This does not hold water because many apps/launchers/ringtones/wallpapers are introduced with a new phone, say SGS3, and used on SGS1 and SGS2 custom ROMs. Are they warez??

2. This is my house and I make the rules as I go.

> This acknowledges that there is no consistent rule. If XDA gets a complaint, they remove the content. If this is the house rule, that's OK by me.

3. "removing a restriction of an app that would incur a cost to the provider (like the dropbox app checking device and allowing 48GB free), that's warez"

> what about market enabler that allows people outside of US to download restricted apps like Google Voice, thus allowing them to use Google services that incur cost?

> What about newer apps/launchers/ringtones/wallpapers distributed with newest phones like the SGS3, which are being used in SGS2 and SGS1 custom ROMs? Certainly it cost Samsung to develop these resources, and Samsung wants you to buy their latest devices. If you can run these apps on older devices and defer your purchase of the latest and greatest, Samsung is losing money. Is Samsung OK with this?
[About XDA developers] roofrider:
Lol I think Samsung is too preoccupied with the patent issues to be bothered with ringtones and wallpaper :D

JK. Carry on..I am a jerk, ain't I?
[About XDA developers] noingwhat:
+1

And this is why in my personal opinion ad-blockers should fall under the same ethical category as warez software. Although they themselves are not warez, it allows you to enable warez like software on your phone. I have seen so many apps on the market that offer an ad enabled free version, and a no ads $.99 version, in which case an adblocker would essentially turn that app into warez.

I guess this goes along the same line as "Blackmart", and app that plays a game similar to the android market, but allows you to download paid apps for free. While the app itself is released for free, it is not warez, but it gives you access to warez software.
[About XDA developers] aloy99:
But doesn't the developer usually only get his money if you click on the ad? Who, with ad blocker installed, is going to click some advert about meeting Asian girls?
[About XDA developers] noingwhat:
Nope, most devs will receive a very small payment on a per view basis and then get a few cents per actual click. (At least that's how I assume it works, as long as it takes after the rest of google's ads.)
[About XDA developers] aloy99:
Ah, I see. That's interesting.

What if we think about it from a hardware stand point. Your router is set to block the IP address from which ads are fetched. Is this custom built router warez? O.o
[About XDA developers] kenbonilla:
For me it comes to a matter of control over my device, i do not want to use my bandwidth pulling ads. The dev is aware that there is ad blocking, and the more clever ones know how to work around it. If you're product is really good people will still pay for it. I am less likely to keep an app with intrusive ads and therefore less likely to buy the pro version when i deem it an app worth buying
[About XDA developers] arknailed7754:
Why the dispute...it was dealt with. In a way it was wrong for some people. And right for some people

I used it..few weeks later my account reverted back to normal 6gb or whatever. Although I used it by the way...I was still under my original limit. It was one of those..'sounds great then hardly use lol ideas

..the box is free and gives you generous limits...like sending emails and telling people about it can give you 50gb free...drop box give you mb's lol. Its all advertising one way or another. Friends tell friends etc...zzzz

Xda should of left itl all they did was move the apk onto filesharing websites by making an issue lol
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Actually, we were asked to remove them.

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[About XDA developers] noingwhat:
I don't think this thread was necessarily for that particular case, that was just an example. I think we are just trying to draw a distinct line between what is and what isn't so that we have a better understanding for the future.
[About XDA developers] .xxx.:
Thanks for the link man. read the 41th and 48th post that somewhat helped me. :)

Cheers

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[About XDA developers] 85gallon:
A stand alone swype app is NOT warez. It is easily obtained from Swype through their Beta program directly from their web site for any android device.

This part is directed at other comments in this thread, not my man cona...

As for other matters.... My feelings are if you are denying revenue to a company and/or costing them extra money then it is warez. But you need to scrutinize those terms. "Costing" and "Denying"

Clearly, the dropbox app is denying dropbox revenue AND costing them money. You are getting extra storage that they charge extra for without paying for it AND you are costing them money on top of that by them having the burden of the costs of adding extra storage space to hold the files that you are not paying for.

But there are clearly gray areas.

Back in the days of satellite hacking (statute of limitations have expired on what i used to do) I maintained a paid subscription to a popular satellite network for the channels I normally watched. But I could really watch anything I wanted including PPV and porn at will. I would have NEVER paid extra for those services as they are offered at confiscatory rates so when I did watch, I was was not denying them revenue that they normally received from me. And they were already beaming the signal to my house. (In fact they were beaming the product to every household in the US) So that was not costing them any money, I do not consider that warez. The downfall of many sat hackers was dealing with tampering with ecryption.

As for the US gov't wanting to take over the internet. I clearly do NOT want that to happen. But it you look at things, the gov't developed it through DARPA. It was designed for US military purposes. and the US built the infrastructure. That is taking Al Gore out of the equation!!! LOL

There are many things that the people use that they have no idea where they came from. The US Interstate system comes to mind. It was not designed and paid for to move trucks of fruit from Florida to Arizona. It was not designed to make your trip to your aunt and uncle's house more bearable and quicker. It was developed and paid for by the government so if our homeland was attacked, we would have a direct coast-to-coast way of mobilizing military equipment to where it was needed most.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] HelloJessicka:
Hi there, I have looked everywhere it seems, I am looking for a app that does video editing, like adding mp3, clips, cutting, things like that, I need to edit a video for youtube.

I thought maybe someone might know one, so..yeah. ;)

Thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bigfau:
Frame Grabber and VidTrim
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] HelloJessicka:
Yeaaaa, those suck.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rangercaptain:
We had the video editting app from the S2 on here a while ago. . . let me see where it is. It does the tasks you listed, but its no Final Cut.

Edit: Here you go. Post #2 for the link and an instructional video.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=12045466

Edit2: Oops, it won't install. PM me your email address and I will send you the one I have, and it works fine.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] johnus:
+1 for the Android Movie Studio. It sucks, but I still find it better than anything on the market. The Tablet UI is better than the Phone UI however. VidTrim is good if you just want to trim, extract screenshots or transcode (however it takes FOREVER to transcode). But honestly...I've stopped trying to edit videos on my phone and I'll just transfer the files to edit in Premiere on my PC.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Kflan22:
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