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[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
The "Ativ S"? Yeah looks pretty slick.

The Note 2 is the S3 sister phone for sure. I don't like styluses, and I like the Note 1 design better. However more RAM is always good.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
2 gigs on the S3, I had Dead Trigger, Shadow Gun, and several tabs open in Chrome and they all ran flawlessly at the same time. No loading screens, no refreshing , no hiccups.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
unless you would like to return to monochrome 1"x1" displays with no back light and 2 lb battrries like in 1988 , your point is moot.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Jump to Android and you'll never look back.

Even with it's hiccups, it's complete.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
what a silly thing to compare too, progress for the sake of progress is no progress at all unless there is a need, of course a colour bigger display is better than old 1inch monochrome display. But using my more realistic example, the limiting factor to my phone is me, having a quad core cpu running at 2Ghz won't be any better than my single core 1.4 so my point isn't mute, unless you have a NEED for it then your probably buying something with a feature you don't need
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
the exaggeration of the comparison was to show that improving hardware has merit. maybe that display didn't need another 1/4" in size back then for folks, but eventually it was considered standard. the single core processors we had 2 years ago weren't capable of 1080p video capture ( and stereo audio ) but today duals are. a quad core could make a phone that becomes your PC at a hotel thanks to Bluetooth and dlna connections is much lighter than lugging a 15" laptop. I edit video on my phone ( dual core ) and wouldnt not mind the extra CPU bandwidth occasionally.

again, choosing the right os/hardware is a personal preference as you stated. we all benefit from the trickle down effects , and thankfully those early adopters.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
Sounds like you're not being completely honest with yourself. If you really thought that no one needs more than 800x480 on a phone you wouldn't be drooling over phones with higher resolutions. I mean it just wouldn't phase you, unless you're one to compromise your beliefs easily anyways.

What he said.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
I don't understand your point. How am I not being honest with myself?

If anything, I'm being more honest than you are. No does need a phone with the resolution I pointed out.

We're living in the richest area of the world talking about mini computers that cost almost $1,000 to buy outright. We're way way beyond anything anyone "needs".

You don't "need" that computer you used to type your response on. You don't "need" more than one pair of pants. That's why the the needs argument doesn't make sense. The whole cell phone industry is just about the wants. And I've already stated a couple times what I want, and what will be on the next device I get. It's not a complicated thought.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
I went from Windows mobile to windows phone (first gen) and then to android.

I really liked windows phone. A lot. But i just couldn't accept the locked-down OS with no updates and lacking basic features like screen rotation lock. AT&T never updated my phone past mango and i experienced the keyboard dissapearing with no solution.

I then bought a One X (first android i bought) and am pleasantly surprised. I thought android was going to be laggy and not as good as windows phone but it's actually a lot better than windows phone 7.5 and i love the fact that i can customize it and fix problems via xda without waiting for OEM or carrier.

I say go with android. You can literally do anything with your phone after it's unlocked. You won't be restricted by anyone. That alone makes it worth it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anirudh412:
Going the other way!!

I am considering going the other way actually. Have a GNex now and even though the phone surpasses my expectations in every way, I would just like a change. One thing that bothers me though is WhatsApp. I have heard that the messages dont get pushed immediately and come in ONLY when you open the app.

Could someone comment on this? How is the whatsapp performance like on WP7 now?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Loco5150:
I had Galaxy S for a wile when it came out. I wasnt too impressed, but I assume the OS has come a huge way since then. Also one thing that I didnt like was the fact that I unticket ALL options so the device would not sync my personal things (address book etc) to Google's spy-servers :), but after a week or so all my info was there. Now Im not paranoid or crazy its more of a princible thing. If I buy a device for 450€ and choose not to share my things with Google, it should have been made easy and clear. If Google gives me a 450€ device for free, then its ok they do what they want, as long as they say it clearly that when I start using it they want to know what I do with it.

But anyway about future for me, when I moved to WP7 I took O365 account. I took myowndomain.com that I put in to the O365 so my email there is me@myowndomain.com opposed to the Microsoft one, and then I forwarded my work emails to that address and created alias accounts to them. Now I have all my contacts, emails, calendar, todo's and office documents (ONENOTE is great when synced to all devices) in one place in a Exchange account with push-email! Also O365 allows me to send emails as me@mywork.com email so its perfect. I love this setup now and I am really happy with it for 5eur a month + domain 10usd / year. Moving to Android would cripple this experience to some extend naturally as it is MS service.

Im more of business user so I really wouldnt expect WP8 to bring a lot more new functions, yeah sure I play a game when taking the morning dump, but to me looking at specs isnt really the thing. Im not at school comparing devices with other kids and trying to see who has the fastest CPU. However WP is missing some basic functions like:

- Ability to edit forwarded email...! its crazy, why cant you edit a email when you forward it?

- Little X button to open app list for quick close

- Other sync than Zune. WMDC or similar (drag n drop to the memory card) When Nokia jumped on board they were talking that its coming, and also recruting people for this so we will see.

- Attach any file I want to email

- PASTE to dialer (its insane if you copy number from website, you cant paste it to dialer???)

- Select text from sms without copying the whole sms

- Ringer / silent / vibrate is made insanely difficult in WP7, Its like havent the engineers used these devices. Its idiotic that the up right corner select does not allow you to select between all options. If you have ring+wibrate on, you cannot turn both off without going to menu/settings etc.

Would be also nice to see little more functions on the integrated Facebook (offline messages, groups etc) because now you need the app anyway. Also even though I have maybe learned to be without by now, smartdialing could be introduced back I guess.

Im sure Im not remebering all right now, but as you see Im not looking for much. These are mainly BASIC functions that a mobile phone should have. If these are still missing in WP8, I need to start looking whats going on in Android camp again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Not true.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anirudh412:
So it works like on Android and iOS now? I really want to get a WP8 phone. I had the HD7 and then the Omnia 7 and the fluidity and simplicity is just amazing. But if multitasking and whatsapp performance is still what is was, then that would be a deal breaker for me.

On a side note, is there a thread about the features and implications of them for the user in WP8?

Thanks for all your help!! :good:
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Honestly I still find the experience terrible. The app is still slow and hangs all the time, especially if you're fast at typing. Each time that I have to write more than a very short text it drives me nuts. Sure it has faster notifications now, but overall it's even less usable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You can read user comments about whatsapp here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1268339

Read the last couple of pages about the latest update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anirudh412:
Too bad!! :(

Back to android I guess then!
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Ignorance loves company!

Nokia Play To works great for me.

Nokia 920 leaked specs show Pureview camera... enjoy Android

It's not required. A Windows Phone can sync on any computer that has Zune software and rumor is they might be even ditching Zune software for something like the old active sync.

I guess what I am saying is if you can't be bothered to educate yourself about your phone's OS it is probably better for you to head with the herd and fanbois over to something like an iphone or Andriod so you can enjoy ignorance with company.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ your comment was rude, fanboish, and unnecessary don't you think. It shouldn't matter what OS a person decides to go with.

In other news Nokia will need more than Pure view , Samsung gave them a gut shot Wednesday.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
sigh, please, ask for root file access and mass storage USB mode from Microsoft when you file complaints or suggestions. cloning a non working phone with a cracked display or other problem just isn't possible is it is now.

the pure view camera is awesome, but wasted on only the 1% or less market share that it will see if it is exclusive to wpx.

yes, Nokia got a serious gut check this week. the early release of the first wp8 by a serious player in hardware proves Nokia can't get organized or compete anymore.

I (avid android , Mac is user) can't wait to see this AWESOME HARDWARE exploited fully by the entire windows hacking community. hopefully, wpx will actually sell this time. the potential for incredible Apps is there, if Microsoft will finally let loose of the reins and get smart again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Telling the truth=fanboi

Fanboi?! I pointed out three factual errors. And backed up what I was saying with links. Telling the truth is fanboism now?

Who on earth said it mattered what OS a person decides to go with?! I simply critiqued the thought process. I have recommended all different OSes to different people. But the difference is I had TRUE reasons for recommending each of those OSes.

And what makes you think the only difference between the 900 and 920 is Pure view? That's what irritates me. We get one poster who says Windows Phone will only have hardware from 2010. I point the the Nokia Pure view rumored to be in the 920 then I'm called a fanboi by someone acting like Pure view is the only difference. Come on people we have known for well over a year things like the screen resolution and number of cores limitation on Windows Phone was due to the OS. We also know a new OS is going to drop in a matter of weeks that removes many of those limitations. Why anyone would be sitting here in August and going on about stuff that is going to be addressed in devices that are going to be announced in mere days is beyond me. Are Windows Phone users going over to the Andriod forum and making posts like this? It's so bad I had to change my signature.

Seriously if anyone has any TRUE information good or bad please post. But don't lie about DLNA, Windows 8 requirements, and Windows Phones only using 2010 hardware. Excuse me the actual quote was "using less than 2010 hardware." I guess all andriod and iphones had the LTE on my Lumia 900 back in 2009.

Some of the OPs concerns may have made a lot of sense a year ago, but at this stage it is just bizarre to say Windows Phones will have less than 2010 technology when they are about to be displayed in mere days. You honestly think this was a genuine thread?

Sigh, yourself hombre. I am not filing suggestions or complaints at this time or at any time in the near future. I am going to wait and see what the new OS is like before complaining. That to me would be the logical course of action.

ohgood, one of the biggest problems with Windows Phones is not what they do or do not have it is the false rumors and lies that are all over the internet. As the USB mass storage thing indicates there are a lot of things MSFT will probably address in mere days and yet we have people acting like no one is working on them. The point of the Pure view comment was simply to debunk the ludicrous statement that the new Windows Phones will be using less than 2010 technology. There are going to be tons of other hardware upgrades. I just didn't feel the need to list them all since all of us that are truly interested in Windows Phone know about them already.

You might be in for a wait. If people like hacking and flashing ROMs I steer them away from Windows Phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
⚠ ⚠ Smh, palm faced. ☁ I took your exact words and threw them back at you because they weren't necessary. See your quoted words below. ↓

↑ you see, no one called you a fanboy. In fact no one here has called anyone names, we were having a general discussion. So please keep the ✌

Back to these ☎
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
hey, I haven't heard or seen that before. good capture! btw, it wasn't an aggressive post, just pointing out what was hoped for, not point at you. but, if people do not fill out complaints and suggestions, large corporations just keep on keeping on, and nothing changes. its been years since wpx was released, and if your capture is correct, MS has finally gotten the message about file access.

what? you don't steer hacks to windows? why not? they will open the w8 / wpx platform and applications possibilities like never before. if its possible to build an awesome video editor for w8, and it work equally well on wpx, that's a freaking gold mine for devs! again, it will still be all wasted if there isn't any take up from consumers. I won't blame them though, ill blame MS for not adapting again, and killing and the alienating what was a real following into a very small mind share THREE TIMEs, via WM, kin, and finally wp7.

I haven't seen any lies , but lots of rumours. the real problems IMHO were all the missing features wm had, and the lack of concern for getting file access up to speed on a totally locked system.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Loco5150:
I think you are totally wrong here. Of course they knew about this and were ok with it. I think you will see when Nokia announces the new devices with MS it will be a totally different show. We will finally hear about WP8 features.

Im pretty sure we will have file access to the storage card, internal storage is a different thing though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Probably why Samsung didn't actually turn the ☎ on. Either way Samsung will compete with Nokia and undercut them where possible.

The lumia devices next week will have the same internals as the Samsung, maybe pure view , and a lumia shell.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
It's no prob. I make aggressive posts all the time. Whether yours was or was not is irrelevant to me. I joke around on here a lot. It's nothing personal to anyone. Really we are just discussing phones. Yeah that rumor about the USB mass storage has been kicked around for awhile. This close to launch I'm giving it more credence but really only time will tell.

You misunderstand me... I wasn't clear. By hackers I mean people like me who just use the work other people have done. I don't know any real hackers. Of course I would steer real hackers to the platform. I just don't want someone who likes to tweak a little and perhaps maybe flash a ROM once or twice to be pissed off at me. I'm pretty conservative when talking up the advantages of any phone regardless of OS. I first and foremost try and tell the truth. The OP is free to do what he wants. But it is highly illogical to write off Windows Phone in September when everything changes in October. This thread should have been shut down in two posts. It makes no sense.

Well the OP's comment about DLNA, Windows 8 requirement, and less than 2010 technology were all clearly not true.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
Hey thanks for contributing to the thread in a positive manner, jackass.

I am educated enough about this OS, and experienced enough with this OS, to know that it doesn't, and won't, provide what I want. And as I said before, it pains me because I really wanted this platform to be awesome.

You're an idiot, stop posting in my thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Loco... some of the functions are in WP7.5 or are just done a different way. Hope my explanations help.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
I'm sorry your manufacturer doesn't support their devices. That's why I was careful when choosing mine. The OS can't be blamed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I have used android phones all along and got quite seriously involved in building custom kernels. I always made the mistake of picking the wrong device. The brought LG O2X which the main maintainer had to give up due to Nvidia and LG not releasing source to drivers. I picked low end (read as inexpensive or cheap) HTC One V and that got bricked. Poor device workmanship led to bricking as many others suffered the same fate.

It was then I decided to buy a phone that works as a good phone out of the box and stop tinkering with it. iPhone is prohibitively expensive and decided on windows phone. From a device manufacturer perspective, I have confidence in Nokia and Motorola. Hence, landed with a lumia 800.

Yes, there are things I miss from android world. Custom keyboard (swiftkey) and Tasker. If Microsoft can give me those 2, I can convince lot more users to migrate to windows phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
Lets keep it nice folks, calling anyone names like above is about as unwelcome on this forum as the KKK are at a Luther king rally!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Loco5150:
Sorry but you dont make much sense to me offering these "explanations".

When forwarding an email removing original senders information is something that Im sure many users need to do. Forwarding offers etc. I dont know about your business and why never need to edit an email when forwarding, but its STUPID that its not possible.

In the open apps list, if the opened app has steps back to close an app goes like this: Press back for open apps, select app you want to close, press back back back (as many times as there are needed) to close the actual app. This is STUPID behavior. Logical sense is that you would have a small (X) on every open app when entering the open apps list. There you could actually close apps without opening the app. When you open tabs in IE, there a small (x) to close the pages. Wouldnt that be moronic if you would always need to open the actual page and close it by clicking back back back back back back....

How do you send a .PDF file?

I have had MANY times where for some reason IE does not recognize the phone number. Im not sure does it work better in the US with your prefixes, but I can tell you my friend that it does not make sense that I need to copy the number, then create a new contact so I can paste it, save, call and then delete. Its STUPID that dialer hasn’t got PASTE. One option of course is joggle between the place where the number is and the dialer.

Yes that is your preference when copying a full SMS. If I get a really long sms, where there is a small part I need to copy. Copying the whole sms and deleting rest later is again (sorry) STUPID. Of course there should be an option also to copy only part of the text. You could still continue copying your full messages.

Again, Im sorry but this is really stupid comment. So I use my phone normally with ringer and vibrate. And now I want to turn it fully silent, SILENT, flip to silence is not silent so forget that here. Ok so pressing volume button opens the icon (I know this I did not ask you for instructions to use it) I press that, it takes the sound off BUT the vibrate stays on. Again, this is STUPID behavior that if I want the device fully silent I need to go in to the menu and turn vibrate off separately. It should be possible to turn the vibrate also off from the quick menu. Simple as that.

EDIT: Im sorry for using the word STUPID so many times here, I dont mean you are stupid. Im hungover and this needed too much of my attention.
[Windows Phone 7 General] magicsquid:
I agree with most of the above. In WP7, there are many niggles where the functionality could work better with minor changes. Yes, there are workarounds for many issues (e.g. copy + paste instead of trimming forwarded emails) - however, using the workaround degrades the experience. Similarly, if someone emails me a text file with an extension that WP doesn't recognise, I can always open up webmail to view it - however, it's not the best experience. (There is no registry editor for my phone, so I can't fix this myself).

There doesn't seem to have been much progress in WP7 following Mango, so it still feels like a relatively new OS. I would guess MS probably switched to working mostly on WP8 (understandably).

Hopefully, the WP team will have more time to address such issues in WP8 as there will be less re-inventing the wheel following the move to the NT kernel.

Many forum users say that you shouldn't buy a phone unless it has all the functionality that you need. My problem with the minor issues in WP7 is that they aren't 'features' that you would normally think to check. e.g. would anyone have thought to check that you could edit email after forwarding? - I wouldn't.

The overall experience is still good - however, there is always room for improvement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
+1 on all the niggles

-1 on STUPID.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Loco5150:
Uuuh I was probably still drunk when I wrote that, it was a good after party, I got home around 7am :laugh:

---------- Post added at 08:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:10 PM ----------

I think this is well said.

The thing is for me that Im expecting WP8 to be an improvement, but if its not I think I will move to Android. I hope MS has really been mainly working on WP8, even though that is wrong for people who bought premium devices that run WP7. However Im not complaining about that, as you might notice from below I do switch devices quite often :p but someone that does not switch so often might be pretty upset to abandoned like that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
What's the point of this thread? You miss the point in so many ways that I don't even know where to begin.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nobody975:
Honestly, I will jumping back to android soon. I mostly have just become bored with WP7. I also really wanted to love it and I did for a while, but after games that I have paid for don't work and cause my phone to freeze then restart, it's hard to love it. IMDB has to the worst offender! I don't even use it any more. It's seriously easier to bust out a laptop and just get on the website. The missing features make it seem so dated also. I wish WM wasn't so outdated, because I loved it!! For its time it was amazing! after using all the current mobile OS's though, I think Android is more like how WM was than WP7 is... However, as far as phones go, I guess they are all selling so it proves everybody has their own different tastes...(Except iPhone lovers...They are simply misguided people who have yet to see the light! hahaha J/K!)
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
that is unfortunate you have had issues with it, but don't be so quick to blame Wp7, IMDB works fine on my phone, come to think about it, I don't think I have had any crashing issues at all, might it be worth doing a hard reset and starting from scratch?
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Here is a picture of the wireless charger for the new Nokia Lumia. I wonder if it is the same one all the iphones and Andriod phones shipped with in 2009? I wonder.