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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] shinzz:
Well, this is the Windows 8 tablet that I will be purchasing.

With Clovertrail SoC (yes, it is Atom processor)... with faster + better GPU over ARM SoC atm (http://androidandme.com/2012/08/sma...e-fastest-android-phone-next-month-in-london/).... although, I have to see how S4 Pro looks like.... this should be a winner. The battery life should be on par with ARM counterparts (I doubt it will be better but it should compete in the department).

Keyboard + S-Pen (the same one as Galaxy Note 10.1).... this seems like a winner to me... out of all W8 tablets so far. Now.. the main question is the price... it won't be as cheap as ARM Android tablets but it shouldn't cost more than Ultrabooks with i5+ in it....

As for anything WinRT (unless Surface is released at the rumored $200 price)... it should be avoided at all cost when it launches.

Edit: Nvm.. they did announce the price... $649 for 64g SSD + 2gb RAM.... $749 with keyboard...

So, $50 cheaper than 64gb iPad.. & $100 more over 32gb Galaxy Note 10.1
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] nymviper1126:
I may be returning the note and repurchasing until this comes out so i may still return if this is a better product. The width seems a bit much, but like i said, it seems to add MUCH more capability(you can run android on windows anyway) for $100 more? Why wouldnt I want to?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jjdevega:
It never ends does it lol.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] nymviper1126:
I just hope it runs like crap or has short battery life, somehting to make me NOT WANT IT. I do love the 10.1 after not charging for days and after 2 classes, was warning me to charge it. It still had 9 hrs left LOL
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] shinzz:
Lol, expected to be on 9hr+ battery life on single charge. See how it goes once it gets released.....

Otherwise, FULL OS with x86..... & Galaxy Note 10.1 apps..... (and if you really think about it.. if Note 10.1 has 64gb.. it will only be $50 more...)

Only disappointment from IFA so far... lack of Samsung's A15 dual-core SoC. I was expecting Samsung's WinRT tab to be on A15 SoC.. but bleh.. it is on S4 dual-core. Not that I was going to purchase the A15 WinRT tab.... but... yea, was hoping to see that SoC to make a presence in some form of h/w.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jedah:
There is some serious potential here. If this has a port for an external monitor and other peripherals (aka laptop replacement), then I just might have to return my Note. That $700 price tag is gonna sting though, $1K if I get series 7 with 128GB.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] shinzz:
As far as I understand.. it does....

Also comes with USB 3.0 support I believe (at least on the keyboard dock.. i think)...

With $650 as the base price for 64gb SSD model ... I think we can expect other OEMs to release their W8 tablets around $550 to $600 range (don't think any of them will be priced higher over Samsung or Sony for that matter).... This is the price range I expected for the Clovertrail tablets & it's a great value. Now.. since none of us have one in hand.. we won't know how it will actually perform in the real world yet... but that's serious potential with great value.

As for WinRT tablets.... I should expect a $400 price range... but with W8 Clovertrail/Trinity tablets being around $550 to $650 range... & with very very limited ecosystem... I don't expect that to do well at all.

Btw, I don't think Series 7 or any other i5+ W8 tablets are worth the money. Cost too much... & for that.. to do serious work, you really need a bigger screen. Series 7 & other Intel i5+ tablets also have "fan" included with crap battery life (will weight just as much as ultrabook with keyboard dock).... not much benefit over Ultrabooks. Better to purchase Ultrabooks over i5+ W8 tablets.... W8 Ultrabooks will come in Touchscreen, Discrete GPU, much more storage... & can expand the RAM if needed (cheaper too).
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] crazeco:
I think the Series 5 throws a HUGE wrench into the works.

What's the point in a Note 10.1, when for a few dollars more I can have the same WACOM stylus input on a Windows machine that gets the same battery life and has 100% MS Office compatibility?

I purchased the Note 10.1 as an e-ink device, to go paperless. This device works, but I am always having to take extra steps to get documents synced to the cloud. I want an all-in-one solution that is seemless, integrated with MS Word, and doesn't cost $1k+.

What advantage does the Note 10.1 have over this new Series 5 other than a $150.00 cheaper pricepoint?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mi7chy:
I hope the user experience isn't too terrible with the Atom CPU like it was with netbooks. Unless I specifically need x86 compatibility I'm not too excited about returning to the bloat, unreliability, poor user experience, relatively mediocre battery life, heat output, high maintenance, etc. of Windows. Plus, I use Google Voice for SMS and calls so the GN 10.1 is constantly running in low power with great battery life. My Thinkpad with 8-cell high capacity battery seems to drain a lot faster just being in hibernate doing absolutely nothing.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vostok 7:
It sounds good, but I can guarantee the price will make it non-competitive with the Note 10.1. Same with the Surface tabs when they come, I can practically guarantee the Surface Pro (the only model that can really compete with the N8013) will be $700-1000.

I was strongly considering a Surface tablet before jumping on the Note 10.1 ship but I'm more than happy with the N8013, it does everything I need it to do and nothing more and nothing less. Anything more, I have my laptop. Anything less and I'd have just bought an iPad again.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
The new Samsung Ativ Smart PC Pro does sound appealing. While I think the Surface Pro will fail due to its small screen and lack of rigidity, the Aviv with an 11.6 inch full hd screen and attachable keyboard could be a winner. Although at 1.5 inches bigger even 1920 x 1080 resolution wouldn't look that much better than the Note 10.1.

The RT version at 11.6 inches will look terrible with a resolution close to the SGN10.1 but a lot more real estate.

Writing and drawing on all 11.6 hd screen would be pretty awesome.

With products like this coming along it confirms to me my original thoughts on the Surface -DOA.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] crazeco:
I disagree with this. I have a 24" monitor on my desktop running 1920x1080, and it looks MUCH sharper than my 10.1" Note. The 11.6" Slate would technically have a PPI of approx 190 vs. the 150 of the note.

Now the cheaper version of the Slate has a resolution of 1366x768 which gives a PPI of 135. It would be interesting to compare the models side by side.

What I want to know is that the device will have full palm rejection, and how that 1080 screen will handle the speed of inking - I don't want a delay. If there is no delay, that will disprove the theory floating around these forums that the WACOM technology can't be fitted to an HD resolution effectively.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
If your 24 inch 1920 x 1080 monitor is sharper than your SGN10.1 you better return your Note because it is defective. I have 3 22 inch 1920 x 1080 monitors and I promise you they are nowhere near as sharp as my SGN10.1. The PPI is only 100.

These W8 units are going to be much more expensive than our SGN10.1. The RT Version with keyboard will be $750 and the Pro version close to to $1200.

Still for $1200 you are only getting an 11.6 inch screen and 5 hour battery life.

The thing is you are paying a premium to get touch and a pen on full MS Office including things like Access. I run Access all day on my desktop and can't imagine what I would use touch or a pen for. You can run Word and Excel in Android apps like Polaris. Also since Access forms aren't typically resizable viewing ones designed for a 15 inch screen on 11.6 might be tough.

Other than Office what does a Windows tab do for you that the SGN10.1 doesn't for many hundreds less?

We'll see. The bottom line will be this. Will people pay ultrabook prices for a netbook sized screen just to get touch which Office really won't use anyway? Most of the things a person would use a pen for Android does as well as Windows could.

One last point. Windows isn't cool and Android is. Android is totally hackable and customizable, Windows isn't. Android is designer fashion, Windows is off the rack. Unless you have a huge need for full Office on a small screen with terrible battery life, why would someone give up Android for Windows? Android phones sell. Windows phones don't. The reason is Apple does off the rack better than Windows. Windows is caught in the middle.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BeerChameleon:
I rather have my note 10.1 then this, part of the reason this windows 8 tablet is not fast enough to replace my laptop which i can game on and with 2gb of ram on windows anything is UGH slow. Plus windows 8 still has issues and I don't like it. Also I bet this tablet is going to overheat :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] redviper666:
don't take it the wrong way but you are delusional if you think the Surface pro won't do well. Worse if you think the Surface pro has a small screen and lack of rigidity. Build quality wise no one will be able to compete with the Surface. Surface pro is full hd,will have a newer gen Intel cpu and will have a price cushion of about a 100 bucks because Ms isn't going to need to pay itself. Samsung's fortunate that the pro will come out in Jan. Ms is nicely giving its oems a 90 day period.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] crazeco:
I think part of the reason my monitor looks better, is that I don't push it up as close to my face as I do the tablet. My Note's screen is not broken. Text and pictures look better on my monitor than they do on the Note or my wife's IPad 2. Text and pictures on my Galaxy Nexus look about the same as they do on my monitor.

I don't need convincing about the upsides and downsides of Android. I run a custom ROM and kernel on my GN phone. FWIW, Windows phones are not the same as what would be on the Slate 5 - which is a full version of Windows. I love Android for mobile phone purposes, however I'm not entirely convinced that Android is the better platform for a business tablet.

I am an attorney, and I like the idea of e-ink because it helps keep my office paperless. I can sign MS Word documents or PDFs. I can take client notes and upload them immediately to my cloud services. The upside for a full Windows device is that I get live syncing with Dropbox, Evernote (or One Note), a full version of MS Word (no compatibility issues with a third party program) and can use a full version of Adobe Acrobat for PDF creation and editing. I don't have to worry about Dropbox making an app for the device, because I can run the x86 version without any issues.

With Android, everything is piecemeal. Third party office programs don't always like my headers, footers, numbering and other formatting. So I end up having to use multiple applications to do different things with the same file format. I hate it when the applications only save locally, because I need them to save to the cloud. I scan a lot of documents that aren't OCR'd. It annoys me that I can't highlight on top of a NON-OCR'd PDF in the available Android programs. Forget about compiling PDFs on the Note - that would be a true PITA. I can't use any Word Perfect document on Android. A windows tablet/PC fixes these issues.

My concerns are portability, compatibility, inking support/sensitivity, and battery life. The lower-res version of the Slate 5 has equivalent battery life to the Note 10.1. I don't know how quickly programs will run on it, or what the screen will look like. I'm very excited to see a comparison.

In the end, Best Buy has given me 30 days to determine whether I will keep the Note. I think I'll probably end up returning it and waiting for the Slate to come out (or equiv devices from Nokia and Microsoft). I can always buy the Note 10.1 again if the Slate is a dud, right?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Lol I never take it the wrong way when someone says I am delusional although the delusional people are a bit insulted by the comparison. ;)

Really, you so sure the Surface pro will be a winner? Let me ask you this. How can you use it on your lap? The keyboard isn't rigid. You MUST have a surface to use the Surface keyboard. That soft keyboard was a stylish yet STUPID design choice. How often do you see someone sitting with the laptops on their knees working? You cannot do that with the Surface Pro. Huge monster fail.

It is going to be heavy and hot. With competitors producing hardware just as good but with a bigger screen and rigid keyboard the Surface Pro is dead meat.

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Crazeco,

You are a niche for whom the Windows 8 tablet will work well. Attorneys, real estate agents, etc. Unfortunately for MS that is a small niche.

Remember, most people think pen input is a silky gimmick and and as far as Office goes touch is useless unless you enjoy poking Excel Spreadsheet cells with your finger :)

MS will definitely sell some tablets just as they have sold some phones. But will they defeat Android or Apple? Don't think so and if they can't, Windows 8 Mobile will be a failure.

The good news is competition from W8 will force Android to become better.

Based upon your requirements I would return the Note and wait on a Windows 8 tablet. Or you could just do like I do and buy the new one when it comes out and give your used gadgets to your girlfriend or wife :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] nymviper1126:
You could go the unethical route and return it and then buy it again(maybe from walmart as it has a 90-day return window, which pushes you past 10/28). I may do this, but i might be downloading textbooks today so i do not know(Kno) if they transfer.

Alot of your concerns are the same as mine if my newer responsibilities pan out fully and people will accept digital documents on the fly. Please continue to update your user experience with the Note. I think for the PDF compiling i thought i saw somewhere here that S-Memo does a good job of importing PDFs.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jedah:
Full desktop version of Photoshop CS, and true multitasking. I know the screen is small, but I would at least like the option to pull up a picture that I'd like to reference while I'm drawing in Photoshop. Only S-Note and a few other apps (not including PS Touch or others) have this option. If Samsung (or developers) extended the multiscreen function to other apps, this may be a different story.

The price tag is gonna hurt though.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mi7chy:
No it won't. People like myself with laptops are not going to go buy a new Windows device just for touch, deal with software compatibility, having to buy new versions of software for compatibility, beta test again for Microsoft, etc. The only segments where I might see buy it are the self employed and small shops. Most casual users won't buy it due to the large expense just to get touch and large corporations won't buy it since they just went through a huge and expensive undertaking to convert from Windows XP to Windows 7.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
And corporations aren't going to redesign their database forms to fit a 10+ inch screen. I don't think people realize how small 9 point type on a database form designed for a non HD 15 inch laptop is going to be on a 10+ inch true HD Tablet. It will be the equivalent of reading 4 point type.

It just seems to me that these undersized mobile devices will always be computing accessories and never the big show. For most people a tablet will always be a secondary device. For this reason if they can sell the RT version with keyboard and pen for under $600 they may have a winner. I just think the Pro versions are in serious trouble. For most people they already have a windows laptop. This will be an accessory.

The Pro versions will be like a 200 mph tricycle. Sure it's fast but you wouldn't drive the kids to school in it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mi7chy:
RT will even sell worse and might be dead out the door as compared to Pro due to poor app availability. I buy a tablet to run apps and access services and one look at their app marketplace is a joke. Also, one of the key features that Microsoft advertises with RT is inclusion of Office but it's stripped down and will probably be like any Office app for Android. Lastly, there's no place for third place. Windows Phone is a fine example with market share in the low single digit with growth flat lined.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] TheWerewolf:
I have a Samsung Series 9 Slate.. and I'm FURIOUS about these new tablets..

Oh wait.. no I'm not. Mine's a Core i5 with 4GB RAM and 128GB SSD. That blows the specs on most of the new stuff. About the only thing I heard that bumped me was that the newer version now gets 8hrs per charge vs the 6 I get now. Still way better than the EP101's 3 hrs...

Seriously though - at some point you have to stop spinnng the wheel and actually USE the thing. There will always be something better. At least the Note is a solid, feature rich tablet with a ton of innovative ideas. It's not perfect - but it's very good.

At least it's not a Prime... :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] PenguinMD:
I'm confused. The articles say that the Series 5 and 7 use a capacitive screen, so how is that compatible with the s pen? Also, how well would Windows 8 run on an atom processor? I'm thinking of ditching the Note for OneNote capabilities...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] tenderidol:
I'm getting my Note 10.1 32GB tomorrow. When the Series 5 hybrid is released on 10/24, I'll play with it at a store to see how it performs and feels (bigger screen and little heavier compared to Note 10.1, but same thickness). Most likely, I'll be buying the Series 5 and giving the Note 10.1 to my wife, because the idea of running a full OS and relevant programs (e.g., MS One Note, etc.; not "apps") on a tablet has always been a dream for me. Remember the days when iPad was rumored to run a full version of Mac OSX and ended up with iOS?

The only thing I'd like to see is the performance of the 2-watt Intel Atom-based Clover Trail processor with 2GB RAM. Obviously, Series 7 will perform better, but the thickness and the weight will prevent it from being very "mobile".

Needless to say, having Windows8 tablets in the mix will be great for the consumer.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vincent9756:
No! Walmart only allows 15 days for electronics. Read the fine print ,
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] aliens@home:
Below is my link to my experience on using Window 8 on some of the older window tablets for your reference.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1869148
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] nymviper1126:
My apologizes, i returned a TV or two no problem, so i figured that was all electronics.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vincent9756:
I'm just telling you what the return policy says. It probably depends who you talk to at the store. I bought a portable DVD player from walmart. I was a day late returning it. They gave me a hard time because of the 15 days. I had to argue with them. But, they did take it back and give me a full refund.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] pwhoeler:
This morning while searching ebay for reasonably priced solid gold toilets (or other things just as frivolous) I happened across a micro USB solar powered cell phone charger. It was priced at around $35, and while I had no real interest in buying something that probably doesn't work, it still made me wonder what if it did?

So lets assume my galaxy s3 is a 2100 MAh 3.8 volt battery, and it instantly charges to full when plugged in. This means it would consume roughly 8 watts every time you charge it from 0% to 100%. Lets not get overly technical and try to factor in the energy used by your charging cord.

Electricity in my state (New Jersey) costs roughly 21 cents per Kilo-Watt Hour (KWH). This basically means for every hour I use 1000 kilowats, I am charged another 21 cents on my electric bill.

This means if I charge my phone from empty to full exactly twice per day, I am roughly spending $1.23 per year to charge my phone. If the cost of electricity stays the same, it would take me 28 and a half years to break even on the cost of the solar charger.

how much would it cost you?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] wctaylor79:
Since most of my charging is done at work.. cost me nothing.. :) Really though.. you are on to something... if only could mass market that and people would catch on then it would be great..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] pwhoeler:
Well I think they'd have to really improve on solar energy technology before anything like this is realistic....I just saw the product as more of a novelty. Even if it does work its probably going to net you a couple percentage points an hour, nothing practical.

I just posted this on my facebook page and the response I got made me realize the smarter option would be to get solar panels for the house instead!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] hollywoodo:
i think the purpose of a solar powered charger is for camping/hiking trips where electricity is not available and you can charge your ipod or phone
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] pwhoeler:
I'm sure it has many prudent real world applications, I was just a little bored and thought this would be something a little fun to keep the juices flowing.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] mustbepbs:
This. Or econuts.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] hollywoodo:
i should mention that the concept is the same for hybrid cars. you pay a premium for them for gas savings that could take awhile to pay off (not including special maintainence, etc)

but maybe be part of something bigger... be green
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] egore93:
You could use your car charger that uses your car battery/alternator to charge your phone if you are worried about using your home electricity! Just like one post said its more geared towards camping/hiking our any outdoor activity where electricity isn't present.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ooofest:
I gave a gift of a radio that takes alkaline batteries, but also has (replaceable) lithium batteries that can be charged via DC adaptor, built-in solar panel or hand crank. The solar panel allows for the radio to have battery power from the rechargeables without having to crank anything, especially if this radio is kept out during the day at a beach or campsite. It has a connector for charging devices such as mobile phones, which would essentially take much of the day for a low charge - but, that is most practical for when other sources of power are not going to be available for awhile.

While shopping for that radio, I came across solar chargers that are dedicated to supplying devices with power and are thin, flat products that often unfold and have greater surface area than a typical device with a (small) integrated solar panel. Some of these are expensive, but your ability to put a more substantial charge into a battery backup (for general use) or directly charging your phone without any sources of grid-based power is the primary purpose, I feel. A Brunton Explorer2 or similar is something I would go for in these cases and the issue is not comparing their economy to grid costs of the current day, but long-term ability to have off-grid or backup sources of charging power when you need it, I figure. Plus, incrementally going green isn't ever a bad idea: if I owned a solar charger, I'd keep my phone off the USB or wall charger most of the time.

- ooofest
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Haro912:
I did some looking into this. It would take about 19 years for a Honda civic hybrid to pay for itself. Accounting for average miles driven across the US, maintenance of the car, and gas milage. I was bored:P