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[Galaxy S III General] -A-P-M-:
Is iPhone 5 a copy ??

http://gizmodo.com/5940253/chinese-clone-company-will-sue-apple-over-iphone-5-design

:cool:
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
The comment on that website is pathetic, saying Samsung clearly copied Apple just because the ac adapter looks the same. How pathetic will they get.
[Galaxy S III General] iSilens:
Didn't Microsoft buy Nokia's Mobile Division?
[Galaxy S III General] thesponz:
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/apple-sued-precisely-because-samsung-wasnt-innovating

Thought this was interesting. Maybe we should spend as much effort on trying to get Samsung to improve their products as we have in here slating everything Apple.

The evidence was overwhelming and yet people's massively distorted views of Samsung are still suggesting that there was nothing wrong in what they did.

I think Samsung were pretty shameless about the whole thing but I also think it might be a good thing they got caught because who wants to copy the iPhone anyway. It will force them to come up with their own solutions for UI etc which actually might end up being better than stock Android and IOS.

In the meantime I will continue to flash roms and use launches to cover up the abomination that is touchwizz.

SGS3 - best phone on the market, worst UI in touchwizz.
[Galaxy S III General] iSilens:
See, specific UI elements being (or their operation) I can understand, although absurd (seriously, copyrighting a single icon idea or design?), but pinch to zoom? tap to zoom? grid UI? Those things were there before any of Samsung's infringing devices.
[Galaxy S III General] thesponz:
I wouldn't disagree with that. I think that's where this whole case falls over. Not Apples fault at all.

If I suddenly found out I could patent an air bubble in the sole of a shoe and get away with it and then sue everyone for using it then I'd be stupid not to do it !!!

I think apple have just been clever. It's why Google and Samsung are now acquiring lots of smaller companies, so they can claim. All of the patents associated with that company to protect themselves. It's how business works I guess.
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
It's all those smaller companies that will pull them ahead. Kinda like playing the dice game 10000. My brother always keeps the smallest scoring rolls and next thing i know he's past me because all i remember are these 300 point rolls. Those add up quick when not paying attention
[Galaxy S III General] jult:
Exactly my point. It's a weak ego-cry from a jealous baby called Apple. They nag about other companies realizing they could do something with the fact that some product by some company is doing pretty good (i.e. the iphone) and it merits talking and emailing about it to get somewhere with it (Apple does and would have done the exact same by the way), but now it's quite obvious they (Apple) have surpassed being righteous, they see completely other types of devices being VERY succesful, so they're scared to lose market share, i.e. money, i.e. power, i.e. safeguarding their lack of future success (as always with Apple).

Pinch to zoom, tap to zoom, geez, I never thought those were even remotely interesting options. I happen to switch those OFF whenever I encounter them in any type of device, because guess what, they're annoying and not user-friendly at all. Apple suffers from delusions of grandeur, and it shows with those crappy far-fetched originality claims.
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
Some humor for you guys..http://www.theonion.com/video/new-apple-friend-bar-gives-customers-someone-to-ta,17693/

http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no,14299/

*Shaolin Shadowboxing*
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...lenged-by-apple-probably-valid-judge-say.html

*Shaolin Shadowboxing*
[Galaxy S III General] uberNoobZA:
On second thought, deleted

Swyped on my Galaxy S3 using xda premium
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
When will it end?

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/09...sh-online-supermarket-trademarking-name-a-pl/
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
Was just gonna post that

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Xparent SkyBlue Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
http://m.cnet.com/news/woz-i-hate-the-apple-samsung-patent-fight/57512463

Onya Woz
[Galaxy S III General] dikime:
I love it how they use the app drawer instead of the homescreen, a feature that iPhone doesn't even have, to prove their point.
[Galaxy S III General] matttye:
It's still a horizontally scrolling screen with four rows of four icons along with a fifth row that's on a dock, and therefore present on every screen.

Doesn't matter if it's the default screen or not, it's a blatant copy.
[Galaxy S III General] Edward Zhuang:
lol
[Galaxy S III General] notown775:
umadbro

**clever sig**
[Galaxy S III General] member68:
Please compare them in real size: http://i.imgur.com/Oqeja.png
[Galaxy S III General] Aimara:
maybe you install this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=iphonescreencrack.chelle&hl=en , apple might win the patent
[Galaxy S III General] Toss3:
And anyone who isn't a complete tool would know that that picture has been manipulated, yet that isn't even the worst part; the picture is of a phone that wasn't even part of the trial. So if you don't mind, please try again.

Samsung clearly took inspiration from Apple, but copied? No Sir.

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You obviously don't know what "copying" means. Maybe you should try looking it up before coming here to argue?

This is a copy:
[Galaxy S III General] Aimara:
i have doubts discussing this with you when you find the (home button) look very alike :confused:
[Galaxy S III General] Alarmmy:
The jury also said gs2 US version DID copy iphone. Honestly, iphobe looks like a joke when it sits next to my gs2. How the hell that a smartphone like gs2 can look alike with a Crapple??? I dont see any identical features! The court must be fed up!
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
That would be nice and all but the original Galaxy S was dropped from the case. The actual US variants look nothing like the iphone.
[Galaxy S III General] matttye:
Yeah *HULK SMASH*

You need to get yourself down to spec savers if you don't think the Galaxy S (both hardware and software) looks like the iPhone.

Either that or you're in denial.

I said that the location of the home button is similar. Its not my fault you can't comprehend a simple post :p
[Galaxy S III General] jgalvez21:
u clearly know that picture is doctored and galaxy S is way wider than that, and thats app launcher, u can show apps like list too on the setting.

real galaxy S real front window have widgets and apps
[Galaxy S III General] lukesky:
that's just ridiculous, where else would the home button be located? in the middle of the screen? on top? or perhaps at the back of the phone? duh...:rolleyes:
[Galaxy S III General] ianpf:
No, obviously to avoid looking like the iPhone Samsung should have made a complete departure from the button structure they'd used for years prior to the iPhone (Menu - Home - Back) and should have put it on the far right!

Also, the speaker (As referenced by the earlier poster) the fact that it's a different design, and a different length isn't enough, it should have been at the bottom of the phone!

Also the phones were exactly the same size and shape! Ignore the fact that one was 3:2 aspect ratio and the other 16:9, and also ignore the fact that the Galaxy S was a good .5" larger to accommodate the extra screen. Clearly it was a complete rip off of Apple's device.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
Exact same size and shape but ignore the screen size, ar, thickness, and button design????

do you understand what it means when you say exact size and shape? they're not even close. the sgs was also longer as well.

clearly you are contradicting yourself within the space of one paragraph....
[Galaxy S III General] notown775:
like he said.. just ignore it LOLZ

**clever sig**
[Galaxy S III General] alankstiyo:
found this today
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
thanks. the sig is something people should learn to do :P
[Galaxy S III General] matttye:
Most phones put the power button on the top, but Samsung put it on the right hand side of the phone, so clearly they've been able to come up with different locations for buttons before. Is there a reason why the home button couldn't go below the power button, or on the left side of the phone? There's no need for it to be a big button like that, it could just be a small one like the power button.

I'm not saying they stole that from Apple, just that it ultimately contributes to the fact that the galaxy S looks like the iPhone.

Imagine if there was no bottom bezel and the screen took up the entire bottom end of the device. It would look a lot less similar to the iPhone then.
[Galaxy S III General] dlads:
Look pplz, this is just about a kid who's used to getting his own way all the time, losing out to a kid who isn't as popular as he is, so he's thrown his rattle out of the pram and began to cry.

Apple being the spoilt kid.

Samsung will recover from this, $1 billion is nothing to them and their market share hasn't really budged.

Apple will release another iphone and sammy will release another galaxy and the world will continue to spin.

Hopefully Samsung will make a case against their new iphone, or maybe try to patent white and pebble phones, if the justice system in the states is literally that stupid then if i were samsung i'd patent the hell out of everything, why not? Apple is doing just that.

Load of old **** if you ask me, i hope apple rot's like an actual apple.
[Galaxy S III General] jason11:
They scould focus on point out these patents are invalid with evidence. multi tocuch alreardy avilable before 2007 and more other patents are invalid.

They are stealing so we are stealing it is not good style to argue.
[Galaxy S III General] wbbigdave:
Apple were nearly sued by a British company over the use of their algorithms in capacative touchscreen technology. how do i know this, because a friend of mine works for that company. It boiled down to the fact that the screen only needed to use a 4x4 grid, but based on electrical resistance to a certain point on the screen it could detail the exact point of up to five touches or so (when I discussed this with him in 2009). This same technology was in the original HTC devices as well, but if I remember correctly you could not use more than a single input until the capability was unlocked in a firmware update.

Also I am proud to be British when the judge in this country threw out 4/5 patent claims by apple and the fifth was such a piddly one that it didn't even count.

Get a Judicial system not based on bribes, and a jury who do not bleat USA USA when looking at where a device is manufactured and you will get a well rounded and honest decision.
[Galaxy S III General] aggazz:
Here here!
[Galaxy S III General] sxi200:
Thank God Apple didn't invent the wheel, sliced bread or the original button phones.

By invent I mean steal somebody else's idea and patent it.

Edit: hope I haven't given Apple any ideas. They might try to retrospectively patent the above.
[Galaxy S III General] thesponz:
Some of the arguments on here are so pathetic it’s amazing, I sit and read them and you can just imagine how childish some of the people are who write them and how much they think they know about patent law and how they could have changed the outcome etc.

When you look at it, the most obvious patent abuse in the case were from some quite minor software issues, UI etc and not that the phones actually look like each other. But yet everyone here defending Samsung are just focusing on the SGS1 (Which you’d have to be mental not to think it was inspired to the point of being an infringement).

But even the arguments for the S1 on here are a bit pathetic. It’s not about a phone having the same 4x4 layout or the same corners, or the home button being 4mm larger and a slightly different colour etc, it’s about the fact that when the SGS1 was released, you could actually walk past a shop, see it in the window, and mistake it for an iPhone, and the uneducated people who had heard about this amazing new smart phone could be forgiven for buying a Samsung thinking it was pretty much the same thing. That’s what it’s all about.

I’m a SGS3 user now, and I’ve come from an iphone so I know both sides and I would never go back to IOS now as it’s so boring compared to Android, however I can still see sooooo many similarities between the two it makes me cringe, but I find that the things that Android does well are normally better than the IOS equivalent or not in IOS at all.

But why does Samsung continually feel the need to make touchwizz look as much like IOS as they can, why do they “develop” features such as S-Voice and All-Share-Play when they look and sound so similar to Apple features, why does the S3 website look so much like the iPhone website (changed since launch)…

If they shipped the SGS3 with stock ICS or Jellybean it would be the best phone ever made. It actually probably still is but the first thing you want to do when you get it is root it and mod it. They should listen to people’s feedback.

Anyway, this is just waffle, what I’m trying to say is that my objective view is that Samsung have copied Apple massively from what I can see, but I don’t care because their products are great anyway, and Android JB is far better than IOS. So they should pay the fine and stop moaning about it then carry on developing ideas on their own because the phones will still be great.

And for those who are hoping Apple burn in hell, do you honestly think we’d have the SGS1, 2 or 3 or Nexus phones without Apple ???
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
I believe that might have been the Sony playstation 3d. Pretty sweet setup. Maybe Samsung will get lucky and the judge will take into account all the ruckus this verdict is causing
[Galaxy S III General] Buddhainuk:
Well said wbbigdave
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
Yeah...how do we know those were stock out of the box when shown as evidence? Must people don't realize you can just download an app to look like iphone.
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
How is Touchwizz similar to iOS in any way? And I assume you're saying Samsung copied Siri when they made s-voice, but didn't Apple copy Siri from someone else?
[Galaxy S III General] Gustopher:
Apple copy EVERYTHING from someone else.
[Galaxy S III General] ebautista:
They are surely looks coppied. But try to think man. The default samsung gs screen setup is not that way. There is a large widget on the upper screen which iphone cant have.

Have you imagine where did apple got the pull down notification?
[Galaxy S III General] alankstiyo:
I remember when I was in HS, there was some kind of PC outside where you could connect to the internet using phone cards and it had touchscreen (can't remember how many fingers it recognized) and it was between 2000-2003, now let me guess, apple invented that?

I just wonder if in the future apply would say that they discovered electricity or radioactivity.
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
My Samsung TV looks very similar to my brother's Sony TV, but you don't see people arguing about it just because they look the same. Thousands, maybe even millions of products look the same, it doesn't mean anything, it doesn't mean they copied anyone.
[Galaxy S III General] ianpf:
Is English your first language?

Because I'm kind of doubting it is, that said you are from the USA.

Have you ever heard of a notion called sarcasm?

Why should they? Samsung have used this position for a physical button for quite some time. If anything Apple stole that off Samsung. As for the positioning it's in the only place that makes ergonomic sense, if it was on the side it would be much more difficult to access.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
I doubt english is your first language. You do realize that sarcasm is noticeable in actual speech while a text conveys no emotion of the person speaking it. It leaves the interpretation up to the reader. Maybe you should learn to tag your sarcastic comments so people know that you're being sarcastic. You're not being subtle by omitting /s or anything.

come back again, when you understand the difference between text and speech.

EDIT: sorry, but that's just how words are when you're on a forum. Assuming this is your first few forays in forums and such, it's hard to note intent and purpose if you don't state it.
[Galaxy S III General] thesponz:
What i'm saying is that everything Samsung has done since the launch of the iPhone has taken THEM and not HTC or Nokia closer to the to the product design of the iPhone. The One X is a great phone, and Sense doesn't look anything like IOS. JB and ICS don't look anything like IOS but Touchwizz on the SGS1 looks almost identical and that wasn't even what this case was all about.

Basically Apple spend billions on R&D and Innovation as do all other Tech companies. So what's the point of doing all that if you can't defend your ideas / technology from other people wanting to copy?

Eventually the cost of innovation will far outweigh the benefits and no one will bother. R&D budgets will be slashed and everyone will just make mediocre devices that look like all the other devices and it will ultimately be bad for consumers. I can’t understand why people don’t see this ???

That’s why on programmes like Dragons Den etc they never invest in ideas without strong patents, because the idea is worth nothing if everyone can copy it as soon as they see it.

Like I’ve said, I’m never going back to IOS and I love my SGS3 but my god the copying is so obvious that for people to even try and defend it and blame Apple for taking it to court is just stupid.

Apple make a full touchscreen phone – Everyone else copies. A good example of competition and innovation done the right way.

Apple make a full touchscreen phone – Samsung make one that looks almost identical. Bad example.

Apple make a smooth fluid OS for their phone – Samsung copies lots of little bits. Bounce, tap to enlarge, pinch to zoom.

Apple introduce a voice assistant – Samsung introduce a voice assistant.

Apple introduce iCloud that syncs across all devices – Samsung introduces All Share Play.

All the time this is happening, Google are introducing some great original features to Android that do not infringe any patents and make android far better than IOS IMO but instead of leaving it alone Samsung continue to copy lots of IOS and code it in to touchwizz.

Just ask yourself the simple question…

…do you think the SGS1 would have ever hit the shelves had the iPhone not launched? Or do you think the similar design of the SGS1 and touchwizz is just pure coincidence???? Just answer yes or no.
[Galaxy S III General] matttye:
So you find the home button easier to access than the volume buttons and power button? :confused:

My fingers and thumb are practically sat on those buttons the entire time I'm holding the phone, so they're very easy to access. Home button is not as easy to access.

I'm not saying that Samsung should have to, just that it might be a good idea to try and distance themselves from Apple a bit. When people are looking at pictures of devices and comparing them, these similarities add up. I know that the Galaxy S wasn't included in the lawsuit, but if it was, a juror would've looked at the two devices and seen how alike they look, and their deliberations would've been affected by that.

You should ask yourself why Apple is mainly suing Samsung.
[Galaxy S III General] Aimara:
greed and jealousy
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
You didn't answer my question. How is Touchwizz like IOS?

Also, there were many touchscreen phones before the iPhone, you say it like iPhone was the first ever touchscreen phones. Just ask yourself the simple question...

... would the iPhone have hit the shelves had those other touchscreen phones not launched? :rolleyes:

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For me the menu button is easier to access on the front screen, it would be stupid putting it on the side or anywhere else, seriously.

Also, Apple have sued over 20 different companies, much more than any other mobile phone company. Motorola let it slide that Apple had illegally used their patents, and copied them, until Google acquired Motorola and filed a suit.
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
I think you can hide your bias better than asking where the home button should be. I mean, even when it is a capacitive or on screen button it is still generally the middle button on the bottom row. Suggesting that Samsung put it elsewhere to be less like Apple is a really big reach, even for your standards.

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As for sense and other skins not being like IOS...

Well, Touchwiz got nabbed for:

A row of 4 icons

Colorful icons

and four dock icons.

The only difference between sense in this case is that they use 5 dock icons and more than 4 in a row. Not that big of a difference at all.
[Galaxy S III General] og.blaah:
Well....F*ck! I think Alexander Graham Bell's family needs to sue Apple. He invented the phone, Apple copied it!

Sent from my Galaxy S3
[Galaxy S III General] matttye:
Why does it always come down to being accused of bias/fanboyism just because I don't agree with every little thing a company does?

I own both Apple and Samsung products. I have an iPad 2 and a Galaxy S3, and love them both.

I don't favour one company over the other, I just think it's blatantly obvious that Samsung has copied Apple in a number of ways. For example, the elastic overscroll effect. Google created an overscroll effect that didn't infringe on Apple's patents by simply making the top/bottom of the list light up a different colour to show that the user had overscrolled.

I'm sure you've probably seen this image by now, but here's a picture that clearly demonstrates Samsung has copied Apple a lot:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2011/09/samsung-copying-cjr.jpg

I love Samsung and think they make amazing products, but they've clearly copied Apple in the process. Let's not be silly here.
[Galaxy S III General] fishneck:
is this like if an adult draw on a rectangular white smooth paper and put a copyright, kids must not get inspired and avoid to draw on a rectangular white smooth paper and sell them. They should be ashamed the kids can draw better.

Do I make sense?sorry for my bad English.
[Galaxy S III General] barondebxl:
No question about it. But apple is exaggerating with the other devices they are trying to get banned.
[Galaxy S III General] alankstiyo:
well it looks the same for apple fanboys, that's a fact, sadly apple fans are egocentric and think the iphone is the best phone ever and hundred of other things (this is a personal experience, some co-workers think that)

it's kind of a brainwash, that's why I think US courts believed in Apple's statement.

I hope samsung did that trolling sending trucks full of 5 cents coins to Apple's HQ
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
It is biased because you are arguing that only Samsung should change the location of the home button while it is fine for everyone else, including LG, HTC, Sony, Huawei etc. to use the middle button on the bottom row for the home button. That is where it is for everybody and it would be ridiculous for Samsung to change it.

Sorry, but people are not stupid. They can tell how biased you are by your posts and what you defend etc.
[Galaxy S III General] robogo1982:
Apple better STFU because if Motorola and Nokia pool their legal resources, there won't be any more iPhones or iAnything for the next million years, at least! :cowboy:
[Galaxy S III General] ustrucx:
Funy post xD

It doesnt matter who had the idea or who made it first the point is, I got a patent and now I will profit. I am smart, you are dumb, I profit. I can patent names like iOS, iPhone, APPLE....do apple have the patent over SJ name? You canot name your son Steve sir, you can buy that name from iTunes tho.