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[Galaxy S III General] j0ep0:
Apple didn't invent that much. Apple didn't invent GUI, Touchscreen, Multi-touch or Pinch to Zoom. Apple didn't invent the rounded rectangle. All these patents seem to fit one two goals only: making money and killing competition the wrong way. So what did Apple actually invent? Check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0. And what about this comparison:

Prada was their first. LG didn't sue because Apple was a big customer. Also you might wanna check out this interesting series: http://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/ which is great on remixes in general and contains these quotes:

Steve Jobs (1994): "Good artists copy great artists steal"

Steve Jobs (2010): "I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product
[Galaxy S III General] Arsaw:
It is obvious Samsung is copying Apple.

But there is nothing wrong in doing that because the technologies and designs are not belong to Apple. It is the patents flaws that causing all these messed.
[Galaxy S III General] dannydro:
I say who cares? Andriod is dominating ios,look at the numbers. Let them have this 'win' so they can go back in to hibernation until something new comes out,try to redesign it and call it their own. History repeats itself.
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
Great video
[Galaxy S III General] winwiz:
Check this out guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmmxVA5xhuo&feature=player_detailpage#t=270s

Multitouch anyone?
[Galaxy S III General] on2a:
I'm not sure if most people understand the subtlety of Apple's claim.

Apple's main contention is not that Samsung copied them. It is that by Samsung very closely imitating iOS, they blurred the boundaries between the iPhone (and iPad) and other products. Apple took 5 years to create iOS, Samsung allegedly took 3 months to create Touchwhiz. So Apple are basically saying that before Touchwhiz the average consumer could easily differentiate between iPhone and everything else. After Galaxy S etc this became much harder - for the average customer, not us mobile technology Uber users! Because it became harder Apple claims its cost them lost revenue hence the lawsuit.

This is clearly different to simply saying "they copied us" as the former has potentially bigger ramifications..

This isn't my perspective, its what was presented by Apple's lawyers.

Btw I disagree with Apple on this one. I think Samsung were inspired by Apple (it would be hard to argue otherwise), but I think the average consumer could differentiate.

But as you see its no longer that simple as some are making it, and that's barely scratched the surface
[Galaxy S III General] Mithrandir007:
Hmm, this shows that Apple can convince people pretty well with its marketing.

Before the first iPhone was even unveiled, I already had 2 full touchscreen smartphones, the 2nd one already with full GPS navigation, 3G, full multimedia (video, music, camera), wifi, bluetooth and a decent speed at the time (HTC P3600 - Trinity).

I bought that one in October 2006.

I do agree that with the Galaxy S, it was pretty obvious that Samsung copied quite a few things from the iPhone, but it's also pretty easy to find iPhones look alike that were released before the iPhone was (this is also valid for the different iPhone generations).
[Galaxy S III General] RubenGM:
Siri was an iPhone 3GS app before Apple threw some money at it to improve it and make it an iPhone 4S exclusive.

What's good to know is that both Siri and S Voice are made by Vlingo, not Samsung or Apple.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Wouldn't any decent lawyer argue that having in big letters across the top of the phone 'SAMSUNG' would stop people from thinking its an iPhone?

and in the case of someone thinking that the iPhone is made by Samsung, and also buying this 'Samsung iPhone' simply because they think it's an iPhone, then apple should be fined for brainwashing this person into spending top dollar for an inferior product
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
I don't think it is really complicated. The best you can do is imply causation there. Not sure why they law would even allow a case like that.You definitely cannot prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt Samsung is the reason that some idiot thinks that everything is an ipad or iphone. Any sane judge would just throw that out.

Unfortunately, you are right, and the US likes to complicate things by letting everyone claim this BS. If you ask me though, there is a simple way to handle a case like this. Just make it completely black and white like say murder. You either did or you didn't. Anything Grey and the judge should just say get this crap out of my court please.
[Galaxy S III General] thesponz:
Steve Jobs (1994): "Good artists copy great artists steal" was actually Picasso not Steve Jobs lol

And interestingly what he meant was that good artists copy and change nothing, while Great artists steal the idea, reinvent it put their own spin on it and sell it as their own.

This works perfectly for Apple taking previous touch screen phones, improving every element from design to material selection, build quality and GUI and making something they can legitimately call their own, where by Samsung took the iphone, made it half an inch bigger, put their logo on it and tried to make money on the back of the iPhone's success. Unlike the Nokia Lumia 900 and HTC One X etc who make genuinly different high quality products.
[Galaxy S III General] matttye:
Samsung is one of the subjects that this thread is discussing, that's why I'm saying Samsung should change the location. The others probably don't need to try and differentiate themselves from Apple as they haven't been sued by them. Or if they have, I haven't heard about it. The Samsung v Apple trial was rammed down our throats constantly by the media however.

If we were discussing LG having been sued by Apple for copying them, I would post the same opinions about LG.

Wrong again mate, I'm not biased. :)
[Galaxy S III General] irzero:
Samsung needs a better legal team to be honest.
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
Samsung did not "copy" the iPhone. Anyone that can mistake a Samsung for an iPhone should really have their parent or carer with them, because only a child or a mentally challenged person could mistake them for one another.
[Galaxy S III General] matttye:
They did copy it, which is clear to anyone with eyes, but I think the white/black rounded rectangle patents Apple holds are too general and should be declared invalid.
[Galaxy S III General] ste1164:
I think that's a bit far. Some people might have mistaken them at a glance but calling them mentally challenged :S.
[Galaxy S III General] thesponz:
Anyone who can't see that the SGS1 wasn't "Inspired" by the iPhone and who thinks that Samsung would have arrived at this design without the iPhone is in pure denial, and i bet you're just sat there thinking it but because you hate Apple so much you can't actually bring yourself to say it.

Like i said though, who cares if they copied, the SGS3 is awesome and is way better than the iPhone 4S with IOS. But they definitely copied, no doubt about it.
[Galaxy S III General] on2a:
The way I see it Samsung read the way the mobile market was moving soon after the launch of the iphone and capitalised on it. The S1 is the closest looking device to the iPhone but IMO the S2 and most definitely the S3 are in another league.

Because Samsung have played the market so well, Apple are left with nothing but to sue. (They can't compete on device or OS). Apple know that a large number of people who left iOS for Android will not be coming back, as there is no compelling reason - be that iPhone 5, 6 or 10... and Im sure that really pisses them off!!

I was a long term user of iphone, from the 3 and 3GS to the 4. I switched to the S2 and now the S3. I dare say there's a fair few tens of thousands users, if not more who've done thesame

A positive note from all of this is that this is the biggest lawsuit Apple can make regarding being imitated. Even if Samsung have to pay the full amount (which I doubt), Apple will not be able to file against Samsung again. Yet the potential market for Samsung and Android is still huge.

Well played Samsung. Screw Apple and their cheap defensive tactics!
[Galaxy S III General] thesponz:
No i agree with you, the SGS3 is a brilliant phone (especially with CM10) but i don't see the screw Apple mindset that's going on. Samsung would do exactly the same thing and rightly so, however petty.

It's like when you were at school and someone was copying your work, it's THE most annoying thing ever. I develop websites and trust me even if it's just inspiration you've provided and not direct copying it's still annoying as fook when you see someone else using your work. Now amplify that by the $Billions it costs all of these companies to develop technology and patent it to protect them and you understand why they've done what they have. and fair play to them.

Like i said earlier, i won't be going back to IOS unless something remarkable happens and i'm now really looking forward to seeing what Samsung do next now they have had a slap on the wrist. If the go and employ a whole bunch of new people to develop their products in a different direction now then the SGS4 might be truly amazing !!!!!
[Galaxy S III General] firithmorgulion:
all those companies copied something

but if you are an american companie the american courts will be on your side, this is called protectionism and thats what happend
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
If someone mistakes a Samsung for an iPhone and then purchases a Samsung thinking it's an iPhone then they are mentally challenged.

I'm not denying that most smartphone companies were inspired by the iPhone, but I don't agree that they copied.

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I am also a Web developer and I have spent nearly 6 years on one specific website, people copy my ideas and work all the time, at first I was annoyed, but more and more people kept doing it until eventially I gave up caring and realised that im not loosing any users because theyr'e loyal to me and prefer to use my website.
[Galaxy S III General] thesponz:
That's a good point apart from the fact that you don't know if you are losing business on the back of people using your ideas whereas Apple clearly know that they are losing market share to Android based products, so they are being forced to react and indeed would be foolish not too. Doesn't make them any better or any worse than any other company, that was all my point was.

They should be allowed to defend their product in any way they see fit as long as it's within the law, as should Samsung and HTC and Nokia etc etc. In fact i would expect Samsung to kick up a stink if Apple go anywhere near the whole Smart TV thing, depending on which bits of that Samsung actually developed.
[Galaxy S III General] whc.faith:
nokia, the legendary epic phone... :good:

you should take the job bro...!!!
[Galaxy S III General] ianpf:
Really?

Given that I'm stating what's obviously a logical fallacy, and I seem to be in the first line defending Samsung and then saying they're a terrible company that copies everything, you really needed sarcasm tags?

Really?

This isn't my first time on Forums, I've been messing about on forums for about 11 years, but most of the people I was on forums with could pick up on sarcasm that obvious without needing tags.

I stated that the phone should have the speaker at the bottom of the phone, I stated that Samsung should change something that they were doing before the iPhone came out.

Sorry to come across as a ****, but really?

I'm glad that's where your fingers and thumbs rest, since I use the device with one hand (The way I'd assume they designed it ergonomically) mainly my thumb very very rarely rests on the side of the phone. I'm almost always moving my thumb around the screen, and as such having the home button in the bottom centre makes by far the most sense.

You probably should understand that patent and copy protection law doesn't mean simply "If your device had some effect on the creation of this other device you should get some profits" I'm not going to argue that the SGS would exist in all it's glory if the iPhone hadn't come out, it might exist in some slightly different form, but it would not be the same phone it is. But that's not the point of the protection laws, it's for blatant copying, and I think saying that the SGS was "Blatantly copying" looking at Samsung's back catalog is a bit far fetched.

The pre-2007 phones lead up perfectly to the post-2007 phones, even more so if you take the F700 into account. And the post-2007 phones lead quite nicely into the SGS1. The icons even less so, they felt very much like a natural evolution from older Samsung phones.
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
That's a fair point.

At the end of the day, most things I say about Apple are just my opinions, I'm not saying they are facts, some of them may be and some may not be.
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
if you've been on the forums as long as you have claimed then you would have known that there are idiots that do think exactly as your sarcasm. Unfortunately you sounded exactly like those idiots that I was referring to.

My bad. I don't like to usually associate myself with those kind of people by talking like them.
[Galaxy S III General] Boldizzle:
Awesome post dude.

I know the guy is dead and all but Steve Jobs is probably one of the biggest hypocrites out there. Apple are full of crap.
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
Believe it or not, as a person who dislikes Apple, I loved Steve Jobs and admired him for everything he achieved. A great great man.
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
How does apple have patents anyway..according to patent law they shouldn't.

Prior art
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
And...Steve jobs is dead..come on Samsung...go file for those patents and sue Apple for violating their patents!
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
You know. .this xda app sucks. Have to everything a million times before it will work
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
Your wording sucks.
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
So that states that apple can be charged for patenting multi touch/pinch gestures as they never invented it. (They were around in the 80's) It has nothing to do with owning the rights/licencing agreements, you HAVE to invent something to be able to patent it?
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
Apple was able to patent multi-touch? Are you kidding me? Does anyone have a link to this patent, I'd love to know what exactly is patented. Apple are very clever, they have ways of working around it to make it legal, so I'm sure they did. I don't like Apple but I love how clever and sneaky they are :D

EDIT: Found it...

http://bit.ly/Twzk3L

I don't know how they were able to Patent that, but almost every smartphone and tablets and some computers have multi touch so I'm confused. Very confused.
[Galaxy S III General] Nicko80:
Does Apple have the patent of big screen phones and round corners on phones too? In court they said that they have.. Is that normal in a millionarie companie to say those things?
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
No they were denied the Patents so I don't know why they would say that.
[Galaxy S III General] Tomatoes8:
HTC was sued before Samsung. they just target the most successful Android manufacture at the time. Sorry, I still think that you are biased.

Anyways, I will humor you and say that you are not biased but changing the position of the home button is ridiculous and no one should ever support Apple forcing that on someone. That is almost as bad as suggesting someone should put the ear piece on the back of the phone with the screen on the front. Just no.
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
In fact, Apple have sued over 20 different companies. They have sued all of the popular Android manufacturers.
[Galaxy S III General] Roundtableprez:
Oh that copies the iPhone? Rly? Cuz I see other buttons on Samsung's phone... Not only that the jury was probably all biased. And couldn't be "bogged down" by Samsung's pictures cuz they were all texting on their iPhones... Get some old people who can't use technology to be the jury then it will be fair and unbiased
[Galaxy S III General] LJE:
Is anyone else realising that apple quite possibly has bitten off more of the apple than they can chew?

Has the lawyers for Samsung dropped the ball?

Why are they arguing that they didn't copy iphones patented design/software when they should be holding up the middle finger and saying **** you, what patent!

From what I've researched so far, you cannot patent something that's been done before, so how the f*** did apple sue Samsung for pinch to zoom?

You also have to be the person that invented the product to be able to patent it, unless you're insane, then your guardian can patent it on behalf of you.

As far as i know Apple isn't the guardian of Pierre Wellner or Wayne Westerman or anyone else that was using this technology back in the 80's.

You also can't patent a design, eg a new shape like a rectangle with rounded edges.

Samsung got sued by patents that dont exist.

Has anyone got any information or knowledge on patent laws, and what are the requirement to patent something?

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/newinventors/txt/s1097642.htm
[Galaxy S III General] alankstiyo:
explain that to the US courts....bacause apparently they could patent something that was already done, I'm just waiting for apple to patent fire or something and then ban ovens
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
I'm not an expert but I know that you are correct. Although, Apple do have a patent on multi touch (which can be seen at http://bit.ly/Twzk3L), but it was very easy for them to aquire this patent as the patent system allows it with certain changes, whether they are minor or major changes. For instance, AFAIK Apple changed the way the OS recognises the touches and therefore that allows them to patent it. However, they should only be able to sue if another company has used multi touch in the exact same way they have, I am unsure if Android recognises multi touch the same way as iOS, somehow I don't think it does, but I honestly don't know.

But you are correct about patenting a rounded rectangle, the patent was denied and does not exist so I don't know wtf is going on there.
[Galaxy S III General] AndroidNeophyte:
i dont like apple also but im leaning towards steve wozniak than steve jobs... i give my respect to wozniak :D...
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
Steve Jobs was a ridiculously good businessman as well as an innovator, not an inventor and he was also very charismatic.. but he's also an asshole and famously anti-charity.

You can call his personality anything you want and you can hate him for what he does, but there's no denying that the man has talent and he used it to the max.

EDITED for grammar.
[Galaxy S III General] CuBz90:
Allow me to rephrase...

Steve Jobs was a ridiculously good businessman as well as an innovator, not an inventor and he was also very charismatic.. but he was also an asshole and famously anti-charity.

You could have called his personality anything you wanted and you could have hated him for what he did, but there's no denying that the man had talent and he used it to the max. (the last but was right :D)

R.I.P Steve Jobs
[Galaxy S III General] mputtr:
my bad. officer grammar :D

I'll go right ahead and fix it right now sir

;)
[Galaxy S III General] sohebq:
"Samsung knows how to take your money WISELY, and apple knows how to take it Blindly. Choice is ours..."
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
I'd rather wisely spend my money on Samsung compared to throwing it away with blind stupidity.
[Galaxy S III General] thesponz:
WTF does that mean ????

Samsung have a scatter gun approach to R&D and Product development and cover a large number of product sectors with i admit "good" products, but they charge exactly the same price as Apple and give you far less in terms of cost for raw material, build quality etc.

Honestly a Galaxy S3 (my phone of choice) that wasn't made out of cheese slices and wafer would be awesome, but Samsung will ALWAYS try and make something for a little as possible but still charge full price. This has always annoyed me about their products, the S2 was pretty poor but the S3 is worse, i've got paint chips off the silver bezel, my screen seems to have scratched really easily, the whole thing is flimsy and cheap but it's still a great phone DESPITE those issues.

Apple on the other hand don't use cutting edge specs but the build quality and attention to detail is amazing, we could do with a hybrid phone. They could make far more profit if they didn't use glass and aluminium but they chose to make the best phone possible rather than making even more profit.

So if you look at it like that then who is getting better value for money ?? iphone users or Samsung users ???

Either way, the statement above doesn't make any sense and is a load of rubbish !! :) IMO
[Galaxy S III General] thunder8yte:
So i didn't followed this court stuff very well, but i just wonder, what will this mean. Will Samsung be able to continue creating the same phones they do, or do they have to adjust allot of hard/software ?

It's so hypocrite, Apple uses allot of hardware from Samsung etc. Just don't get it.

I think they really should rethink the whole patent idea, everybody should be able to create awesome smartphones, were not living in the stone ages anymore....
[Galaxy S III General] jult:
tomytronic was way earlier than you, apple, face it!

TOMYTRONIC should sue Apple blind for blatantly stealing their handy design, slightly rounded corners, dimensions, weight, navigation buttons layout, color setting and many other ideas Apple used for their entire i-product-line 20 years later !

http://www.google.com/search?q=Slim...a=X&ei=Oaw-ULq2NKPY0QXho4HwCA&ved=0CBQQpwUoAg

Looks to me like Apple is the bad apple in this entire patent-war with Samsung. They clearly suffer from delusions of grandeur and they should shut the f*k up already and try to earn money by actually deserving it! Mac Air wasn't their design either, it was ASUS who made one way earlier. The list of obvious lies from Apple's side is staggering. I'm really amazed by their fanboys and girls still claiming Apple are not being the huge annoying pricks in this pathetic money-hungry jealousy towards Samsung. They're afraid they'll lose shares since Samsung came around being much better with many products.

I'll never ever buy an Apple product in my life because of this. They can stick it where it's dark, as far as I'm concerned.
[Galaxy S III General] thunder8yte:
Only True!
[Galaxy S III General] Theshawty:
I am not able to find any words for their recent behavior, so I'll let Mr. Tsoukalos explain it for me:
[Galaxy S III General] JediNinjafication:
https://defendinnovation.org/

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Always wondered what the deal was with his hair.. got worse as the seasons went on..
[Galaxy S III General] patmacca:
Its about ergonomics, can that have a patent too?
[Galaxy S III General] RedBlueGreen:
They should have hired me.

This would of been my argument;

Here we have a Samsung TV, and here is a Sony TV. All that is different from look wise is the logo a the bottom.

Does that mean Sony can sue us because they made a black square before us?

See how they are both the same size with the same sized bezel
[Galaxy S III General] T.K.B:
True that. In fact, I won't be surprised at all if i start seeing phone companies making 'circular' or 'triangular' shaped phones to avoid stupid lawsuits over design!! :banghead:
[Galaxy S III General] sohebq:
for apple fan boys, the build quality is more imp to what is inside the device and how it functions, they are happy to use iphone just bcz it looks good and has a apple logo on back, samsung users on the other hand ate using it for choice, for the variety it offers, they have chosen android over bada bcz of choice and this choice is a wise decision not a blind one. What makes you think that both charge same price???

sent from: designed for humans :)