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[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Well, as soon as I purchased my Nexus 7 tab and received it I thought to my self for 199$ I just robbed Google for this high spec tech giant of a tablet, packing a 1280x800 HD display, Tegra 3 CPU, 12 core GPU, 1 GB of RAM, NFC, GPS and Jelly Bean! WOW! and the list goes on and on and I thought I just couldn't complain even if I tried to. The first thing I wanted to do was to test it out with some apps and ROMs and kernel's and then the second thing was to hop on XDA Nexus 7 general thread to see if I missed any cons after my tests with the device and boy was there a lot of unhappy people with a lot of issues. So, I checked my device for dead pixels, screen lift, blown speakers and screen flicker...I thank GOD that I didn't have any of the issues stated, but I asked myself after seeing all of these people returning, upset, and bashing Asus and Google for quality issues, I thought to myself, if this had happened to me would I be among the bashing group? After a deep breath and thinking after all this is a 199$ premium spec tablet and with specs like this given for a price like 199$ and issues I've seen hardly even looked like a issue, hell! I wouldn't mind buying another for the bathroom as a electronic newspaper when I'm taking a LMAO! So guys, at a price like this for Nexus high spec like this I would have still purchased it even if it didn't have a chassis!

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Please post pictures of you defective Nexus 7's THANKS!
[Nexus 7 General] AZImmortal:
You'd feel differently if your screen was lifted so badly that when you pressed on it, the screen cracked. This has actually happened to a few people. Being a good value isn't an excuse for poor quality control.
[Nexus 7 General] revamper:
QFT.
[Nexus 7 General] Elsydeon:
Normally I would agree with the expectation that a $199 tablet would feel like a toy, but that was until I owned a Kindle Fire. That thing is built like a tank for the same $199, and its build quality I think is something I've never seen a complaint about despite the low price. So after owning a Fire, I would say I did expect the same sort of solid build quality at $199 out of the Nexus 7. Packing in high end internal hardware is no excuse to cheap out and have exterior bits and pieces failing, screens not calibrated well, etc etc. IMO for the sake of the manufacturer's reputation, either do it right or don't do it at all.

Whoever built the Kindle Fire is who Google should contract for the next Nexus tablet...
[Nexus 7 General] borrowedchief:
Google made this with the intent on gaining market share. I'm sure they make little to no money on the tablet itself. It all come from the Play Store.

That being said, I would still expect Google and Asus to put out a quality product, regardless of price. Now, I thankfully haven't had any issues, but if I did, I would still be upset. $200 is still a good chunk of change.

I cannot imagine that these two companies are happy that they have released a product with so many defects. Thankfully it seems that that they are handling the issues quickly and being helpful. Too bad they don't get any credit for that.

All said, I am very happy with my purchase, and feel better knowing if an issue does arise, I will be taken care of.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Not really! For 199$ I would suck it up and not make a big deal about small issues.
[Nexus 7 General] Mungulz:
Your first post was on the money, but I find it hard to believe you wouldn't care if your screen shattered due to poor build quality :p

I think most people would understandably be a little bit mad lol.

I've got minor screen lift on mine, and zero ****s given. It is an amazing device and the more I use it the more I love it.

It seems to have matured a bit over time too, had a rocky start with a bit of lag etc, maybe that was because I didn't know how to close backgrounded apps at first lol.
[Nexus 7 General] CrazyPeter:
I too think people have out of kilter expectations, and they are being manipulated by the Apple shills into RMAing perfect good units, because they have been lead to believe that screen lift will get worse etc.

It's all part of the delaying plan whilst Apple prepare their 7in tablet.

I know of 7 Nexus7's with friends and family and all of them are perfect to our specifications. My mothers has a small amount of screen lift, but she will never notice it, and it has no effect on daily use. I'm also pretty sure that before the internet age, there wouldn't be this sheep mentality into RMAing units... Those people wouldn't have even noticed these things.
[Nexus 7 General] zedmaster375:
Apple shills, I love it! I'm totally prepared to believe this as a fervent Apple-hater. Is there an evidence? I so want there to be!
[Nexus 7 General] sluflyer06:
I picked up one last night(office depot) a C70 batch. Expected a quality product and got one. Very happy.
[Nexus 7 General] Ravynmagi:
I guess it sounds strange around here, but yes. I do expect to buy a quality product. And I believe some people have gotten quality Nexus 7, so it's not like we are expecting the impossible. :)

Just waiting for ASUS to consistently reproduce that quality.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Nice! I thought I was the only one.
[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
I don't know about the rest of you, but I bought one of these because it was the first Google tablet and it has pure, unadulterated Jelly Bean. With a Nexus device, you don't need to worry about app compatibility or updates. Your tablet is the only officially supported Android tablet.

Tell me what other, more luxuriant tablet has this much to offer in terms of software and compatibility. Then you can criticize me for being cheap.

Google CSRs have been telling customers that any screen lifting at all should be exchanged. We've been infiltrating the intern placement program in Cupertino for months, and when they corralled us into answering phones our preparations were complete.

Steve has a moustache. I repeat, Steve has a long moustache.

Posted from my iPod Touch.
[Nexus 7 General] Nippero:
I expected quality and I got it :P

I agree and disagree to certain extents.

The screen lifting is definitely inexcusable, although I'm still a believer of the idea that these forums makes the % of defective units sound a lot higher than it actually is.

However, there are a lot of other things that people are just being ridiculously OCD about:

1. Backlight bleed. Okay, I dont have it on this unit, but I've had it on my phones in the past, a bit on my 20" Dell IPS monitor and even some of my $1k+ TVs (thankfully not on my newest 50" plasma ;D). Considering the problem is really only obvious at a pure black screen and high brightness, I dont consider it a problem. Its more of a inherent disadvantage of using these kinds of displays.

2. Dead pixels. Same as above... My monitor has a dead pixel somewhere, although after years of using it I dont even remember where it is anymore. My 42" Toshiba LCD has two "stuck" pixels (one red one green) on the screen, bothered me for the first two weeks of owning it, but literally impossible to notice under normal use. Again, its an inherent disadvantage. Unless you have a good few dead pixels scattered all over the screen, just deal with it.

3. The flickering issue. I tried this myself; couldnt replicate it. Then I was told I need to have only 1 bar of WiFi signal, max brightness, light background, and be downloading a large file while keeping the screen on for at least a few minutes to begin noticing the issue... WHAT THE HELL? Are people serious about this one... its just stupid.

4. Multi-touch Axis crossing. I made a post on the thread and attached my own youtube video. My N7 doesnt have the issue unless I use four fingers in a square formation with all axis overlapping. Two fingers pose no problem.

Discovered that my G2 has the same issue, after years of using and not noticing a problem.

Not sure how real this issue is, but I guess if my device went wonky with just two fingers I'd be annoyed too.
[Nexus 7 General] SPreston2001:
While i do expect to get a quality product with anything I buy, I couldn't agree more in terms of the over the top OCD. When I first opened my N7 from its packaging my first thought I had was WOW! I honestly thought the silver bezel was metal simply because the build quality felt so good. We all know the under the hood specs are top notch and it came sporting Jelly Bean. Do some units have a few early launch manufacturing flaws? Sure but that's usually the case with most new devices. So for $199/$249 I think ASUS and Google hit the nail on the head. Im 100% happy with my purchase.
[Nexus 7 General] Masssy:
Well, I don't know about other countries but when the tablet gets to Sweden they are gonna lose very much cash if they don't fix these problems as the laws are very good for customers. For example, if having to return the same product twice/2 repairs without any difference you can claim your money back.

Expecting a perfect device or not it should be working as it is stated to do. I would not accept a device with the screen moving around when touching it for example, that is not how it is supposed to be.
[Nexus 7 General] Krunk_Kracker:
What a silly question.

I expect to get quality on any device I purchase...especially a Nexus device.

That said, I have a tiny smidgen of screen lift, so minute that I had to really look for it to see it. I do not care.
[Nexus 7 General] AZImmortal:
See my response in that thread. It's a real issue.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=30614118
[Nexus 7 General] Jay Aristide:
I'd like to thank Mungulz, but I'm out of thanks for the day, so a "high-five" will have to do.

^5 Mungulz

I, too, had screen lift, and was able to repair it, myself. I also had a noticeable creak I was able to MacGuyver away with little effort.

I must say this is one hell of a device for two-hundred bucks, but if my homegrown fix hadn't worked on the screen lift, I would have surely RMA'd it after a couple of months (as others have done/are doing).

Had I had screen lift to the point where it cracked, I would have been quite (righteously) sore at Google/Asus, but would have definitely not taken things to the extremes I've seen on these forums.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
Yes we did expect a quality product. And we got one.

Everyone has issues in their initial roll out, and Google seems to have corrected the issues in their next batch. So if you have a defective device, hold onto it for a little bit. Once the next batch reaches wide circulation, call Google and get a replacement. Problem solved.
[Nexus 7 General] Nippero:
See my response. Still no problem with my N7

I never said it might not be a real issue. Just simply said it doesnt happen for me.

Point of me doing that was because some one else before was saying EVERY device has the issue, people just dont realize it. Actually, was that you? lol
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
I own almost every tablet on the market and I can tell you there is no such thing as a perfect tablet. My iPad 2 had light leakage and my iPad 3 and my Nexus tablet was among the first and only perfect tablets I've ever had. My point is, I've seen some, if not all of what most of you are stating unmanageable is somewhat nitpicking to me. I've seen and had some terrible tablets and from what I've seen, the Nexus 7 is not one of them...post a pic of some of your issues with the Nexus 7.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
yes, and that's what warranty is for.

this is a manufacturing issue, not a design issue.
[Nexus 7 General] Lance Uppercut:
Am I the only one around here who got a flawless Nexus 7? I own a Galaxy Note and my Nexus replaced it as my favorite piece of technology. This thing is in incredible. I haven't noticed a single thing wrong from either the hardware or software.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
I thank so too! This little thing packs a mega punch! Besides, don't forget to post pics please...thanks!
[Nexus 7 General] Krunk_Kracker:
Aside from a very very minute case of screen lift, mine is "flawless".

I don't even consider it "screen lift", more like just inconsistency with the plastic...it's so minute, the only reason I noticed it is because I scrutinized it from all the complaints going on about them.
[Nexus 7 General] dparrothead1:
Being from Google with the Nexus brand, I did expect a quality device, and I received one!!!!

I preordered on July 4th and received one of the C60 serial numbers. After all of the negative remarks, I checked mine very closely!!! No screen lift at all.

Now have I gone in the closet with the door closed to check for a tiny amount of light bleed?? Absolutely not!! To me that's just plain dumb!!

I came from a Nook Color running MIUI and several smart phones all with custom ROMs so I'm not exactly a noob. I have tested many 10" and 7" tabs and I find the N7 is a remarkable device. I am completely satisfied.

BTW, I am running CNA 3.3.1.:good:
[Nexus 7 General] AZImmortal:
Um, what do you think we're talking about here? From the OP:
[Nexus 7 General] SPreston2001:
Lol and this is usually what most people complaining on the forum do and then scream "THIS TABLET IS BUILT LIKE CRAP!" lol. Ive seen a few pictures of "screen lift" and was left shocked by the amount of anger toward such a minor and tiny detail. I mean some N7's have major issues but from some of the pics ive seen, I think alot of folks are really going overboard.
[Nexus 7 General] Krunk_Kracker:
Here's what mine looks like...see if you can see it:
[Nexus 7 General] SPreston2001:
If that tablet has screen lift then they all do! lol. I guarantee 99% of people outside of the forums wouldnt be able to notice a flaw with that tablet. I think its pretty safe to say your tablet falls within spec. I've seen people post pics similar to yours and go ape $hit over them.
[Nexus 7 General] Krunk_Kracker:
That's my point as well.

Bandwagons are a powerful thing.
[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
I don't see anything, but if that second shot is the horizon test then you really should remove the post-it for clarity's sake.
[Nexus 7 General] Krunk_Kracker:
I don't care enough too, lol.

That's my work desk...there's random crap scattered all over the place on this thing.
[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
Well, if you do have screen lift it seems extremely minor.

My second unit had the least separation of the three, and it's the only one I bothered to take a picture of. It's a horizon shot, so the photo was taken from the right side.

The camera is low quality, but if you look closely you'll notice that the display eclipses the bezel on the upper left side.
[Nexus 7 General] SPreston2001:
Yeah but my point is if you have to hold it at a certain angle, close one eye, and let the light hit it just right just to even notice it, then is it really a problem or something you've been made to believe is a problem?? I mean I'm not talking about the ones who have major gaps in their screens and other obvious issues but these tiny tiny minor screen lift claims are crazy lol.
[Nexus 7 General] Krunk_Kracker:
Mine passes the fingernail test...meaning the silver bezel catches my fingernail if I go from the glass towards the bezel.
[Nexus 7 General] badasscat:
Yeah, mine's worse than that one but I kept it. If I've learned one thing with modern electronics, it's to be happy if anything you buy these days only has one minor thing wrong with it, especially when it's mostly a cosmetic thing. (I know what's causing screen lift, and it's *not* "separation" - there's nothing connecting the screen to the trim ring in the first place.)

As to the original question, $199 (or $249, as I paid for my 16GB model) is not an insignificant amount of money, but I do think you have to realize that corners will always need to be cut to get any product down to 50% below the average price for other products in the same class. For another example, $15,000 is a lot of money too, but I don't think anyone who buys a Nissan Versa is expecting they're going to be getting the same quality car as someone who buys a $40,000 Lexus or something. And if someone gets that Versa home and finds that part of the interior trim doesn't quite line up properly, they're either going to bust out a box cutter and recut it themselves, they're going to take it back to the dealer and have it fixed, or they're going to live with it and chalk it up as one of the caveats of buying a cheap car. One thing they're *not* going to do is return the car and demand a new one. You really do have to have realistic expectations.

I'm sure there are "perfect" N7's out there - mine almost is, just a little screen lift is all. Maybe they really have fixed that with the current revision - I'd love to see some pics of the inside to see what's changed (it's the interior components in that area pushing the back cover and glass apart). But I think at this price point, consider yourself lucky if you get a piece of electronics with *no* flaws of any kind. I don't think I've bought anything in the last 10 years that didn't have *some* weird thing that I probably could have returned it for if I wanted to. A couple other recent examples: my $1,500 Panasonic TV is actually bent (the top bezel has about a 1/2" curve from one side to the other). My $950 Sony VAIO has various creaks and groans all over its plastic casing and a screen that's slightly crooked when open (you can only notice this when looking down on it). My previous Dell Vostro had a casing that was bent in at least three separate places - on the front right metal part, on the front top of the lid and also on the corresponding area on the bottom part.

Bottom line is if you go looking for flaws, you're probably going to find them. That's true of even more expensive stuff, but as the prices get lower, the standards for what's "acceptable" and allowed to leave the factory drop. There's just not enough of a margin to ditch a bunch of tablets because the screen is not exactly flush with the trim ring, or whatever other minor cosmetic issue might exist.
[Nexus 7 General] Harry GT-S5830:
1 dead pixel here, but having 216 in a inch I can't see or care :)
[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
Firstly, you're being sarcastic in a really churlish way. Saying that I fiddled around until it showed up this way on camera is no different from accusing me of photoshopping it, because it implies that my goal was not to present accurate information but to convince you that the problem is worse than it actually is. That's how it looks from the right side, and I have no reason to deceive you.

I actually only took that picture so I could reference it in a support call. The rep was interested, said that the horizon test seemed like a good way to check for this, and advised me to exchange it.

Since any rise at all is a perfectly valid indicator that the adhesive is failing, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that minor lift could worsen over time. The separation of my first unit did seem to progress over the course of a week until it started creaking, although, like you said, I didn't notice it at first so it's difficult to be sure.
[Nexus 7 General] SPreston2001:
First off dude I wasn't even talking to you in particular so get off ur high horse and chill out. I was only saying that in reference to the over exaggerated screen lift claims. If you look at most of these units head on you can't even tell they have screen lift. Its only until you measure the screen against the bezel that you can even tell it exist. Stop being overly sensitive. In no way was I trying to be mean or churlish smh...
[Nexus 7 General] Jay Aristide:
I would have RMA'd my n7 over a dead pixel (or any other problem I couldn't fix myself without voiding the warranty)
[Nexus 7 General] Nippero:
Really man..?

1 out of 1,024,000 pixels.

1 pixel which is .004 square inches.

1 pixel which is .0001% of the total screen.

You know what, you probably have at least one dead pixel. Go grab a magnifying glass and check carefully :P

EDIT: had to add an obligatory ":P" to make sure sarcasm is expressed.
[Nexus 7 General] Jay Aristide:
I think you're overreacting to/misinterpreting what he was saying. Consider this: If XDA didn't exist, nor did AF or any other forum where techies gather to obsess over their gadgets, and you had never been informed of a screen separation issue, but instead were buying your n7 blind and on impulse from Wally-World, would you have noticed this 'defect' at all? From the picture you posted, I'd wager you wouldn't have.

Also, your issue - from the pic - is even less slight than mine was. Did you by any chance think to set a heavy book or other flat object on it and let it go through a couple of full charge/discharge cycles? That's what fixed mine, and by comparison, mine was 5x worse than yours (I had about two and a half linear inches of 1.1mm screen rise)

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I have, and I have not one dead pixel.
[Nexus 7 General] threi_:
I did expect a quality tablet and got one. Mine has no problems (and neither does the ones I got for my parents)

I know people have been experiencing problems with theirs and im sorry to hear that, but acting like this isn't a great tablet with a great value because of a vocal minority is silly.
[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
Sorry for assuming that you were replying to me, but it really did look that way.

And if you had been replying to me, I would have been right to take that stuff about my photo being a delicately balanced trick of the light as an accusation.

If you looked at the unit I photographed head on, you would not be able to see it unless you looked very closely.

The one I photographed would have certainly gone unnoticed. The first and third I would have seen eventually, but I wouldn't have filed a warranty claim unless it got really bad.

But that's partially because I'm new to buying electronics. If I ever buy another tablet, I'm checking for lift right out of the box, and I'll be better prepared to inspect it for a number of issues I have yet to personally experience. So the answer to your question really depends on the person. You've probably learned what to look for from previous purchases, so what's noticeable to you would not be noticeable to me.

And no, I didn't attempt to fix it.
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
If you say "adhesive is failing", at least prove that there is adhesive, and that it is failing.

I saw nothing in the teardown, or in these posts, to indicate that is the case.

Bezel (soft plastic) dipping, yes. Screws loose, possible. Glass is fused to digitizer, and no reports of failure.