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[Nexus 7 General] Jay Aristide:
Well, well, well...

This thread got me re-examining my n7, and I did still have screen lift about as severe as the pic you posted (damn you guys :P )

Anyways, I popped the back off again and tightened down the screws on the left side just a tiny bit, and while the left bevel doesn't quite rise above the screen, it is certainly level with it at this point.

There was also a tiny bit of rise in the lower right corner that I fixed in the same manner.

Other than the LCD being permanently attached to the digitizer (I can understand why they did this, and even commend them for it, as it makes for a clearer picture and a slightly more responsive touchscreen, albeit considerably more expensive to replace should either the digitizer or LCD fail), this is an unbelievably user-servicable device. You can damn-near do a full tear-down without voiding your warranty, and I fully encourage you to pop the back off, even if it's just to have a look and familiarize yourself with the components inside (and, it never hurts to regularly take an air-duster to the speaker drivers and area surrounding your micro USB port, either).

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There is what appears to be a sprayed-on adhesive that aids in diminishing screen rise together with the screws around the outer edge of the device. I can vouch for this, as I fixed my original screen rise issue with a heavy book, heat, and time. It's also been mentioned in several tear-down articles that some form of adhesive is present :)
[Nexus 7 General] earlyberd:
I think most people equate warranty coverage with QC, as if returning the tablet as many times as possible is somehow going to increase your chances of getting a device without faults. You actually have much better luck with a refurb unit, because even if the QC sucks you're getting a device that has been QC'd twice or more, increasing the chances that someone will catch the issues before it gets out the door.

Suddenly everyone who gets screen lift is an expert on economics. Somehow they know better than both ASUS and Google on how to pay for Apple-level QC and support whilst keeping the device under less than half the price of the lowest tier iPad.

If the device were priced at $300 instead, people would have a right to complain. As it is at the $200 price point, I don't think most people grasp the idea that somebody has to pay for upping quality on the QC department. It's certainly not you the consumer, and Google already takes an additional $25 in the nuts for the Play store credit every time you buy one.

Google is hemorrhaging money over this device, struggling to keep afloat in the tablet market. It's like visiting a relative in the hospital when they have terminal cancer, and in the middle of them writing out a will that gives you a significant stake in the inheritance after they've passed away, they start coughing up blood on your shirt. But instead of comforting them, you scold them for how much work you put into keeping them company on their last days, and how they just ruined your shirt. Then you ask them to rewrite the will to give you more of the money so that way you can buy a new shirt to replace the blood-stained one.

First world problems strike again.
[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
Are you familiar with nexus7dude's teardown?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=29194958&postcount=372

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=29202762&postcount=391

You really should read his analysis, but I'll summarize. There is a ledge around the inside of the frame. It is covered with double-sided tape. The display rests on this ledge and relies on its adhesion to stay seated. The ledges for the top and bottom sides of the device are the widest (12 and 16 mm), and the right ledge is 6.5 millimeters.

The left ledge is the only side that isn't a constant width. The top and bottom portions of the left ledge are 3 mm, but there is a middle portion that is even narrower to make room for the touchscreen input cable. It's only 1.5 mm wide.

Since this is the common point of separation, it seems likely that the adhesive on the left ledge is not strong enough to securely fasten the display to such a minor contact area.

Although some other factor would be required to actually force the underside of the screen to detach from the adhesive ledge, whether that force is frame warp, pressure from internal components, or something else, the minimal adhesive contact area would explain why the left side would be the most vulnerable to stress.
[Nexus 7 General] jamesst20:
The Google Nexus 7 is really the best and cheapest tablet out there :)
[Nexus 7 General] dparrothead1:
If this is the case, then why do all the N7's not experience this problem? I have a C60 with absolutely no screen lift.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Your screen cracking because it's raised is by no means a small issue. If you believe it is, you're absolutely delusional. That being said, I bought the tablet knowing full well it's a first generation device. Issues happen. Issues get fixed. Just look at Apple. Each release of the iPad or iPhone has always had some sort of a rather substantial common issue, yet it always gets fixed. Sometimes you have to return it, other times you're lucky on the first go-round.

I personally am exceptionally happy with the quality of my Nexus 7. I believe it was a steal for the price. I had a problematic tablet at first (screen flutter) but I exchanged it and I've had zero issues since.
[Nexus 7 General] pxlitup:
I appreciate the effort that went into this post, but I'm not sure that you're contradicting me as much as you think you are.

Here is what I said immediately after that line you quoted.

Isn't that more or less what you're trying to explain?

I don't know what the force behind this separation is, but you seem to be claiming that the pressurized internal components are causing the frame to bow.

I was focusing on the adhesive to explain why the left side is more susceptible to whatever stress is causing the separation. I don't understand how this is incompatible with your frame warp theory.
[Nexus 7 General] AZImmortal:
Your terminal relative analogy doesn't apply for three reasons. The first is that they're not giving us the tablet for free and then we're being critical about it. We're paying them, which is a big difference. The second is that as a company, Google is anything but terminal. They rake in the money and experiment with different business ventures all the time, with many of them failing and with Google not batting an eye. The third is that even if they were selling the tablets at a loss (which iSuppli's teardown has already confirmed is not the case), it's part of their business plan to make it up in Play Store sales. They're not giving you a cheap tablet out of the kindness of their hearts. They're a publicly traded company, which means that anything that they do is to maximize shareholder value.

I don't expect cheap products to perform the same or have the same features as expensive products, but I do expect them to be reasonably free of defects regardless of the price that I paid, and if the company can't reasonably guarantee a product free of defects at a certain price point, then they should either not sell the product or raise the price. I don't expect to buy a cheap car and then have the manufacturer tell me that the doors won't close all the way because I didn't buy the luxury model. I love my Nexus 7, which is probably about as defect-free as I can reasonably expect at this point (multitouch problem and slight screen lift), but I do feel for everyone who has received units with more serious problems.
[Nexus 7 General] earlyberd:
If it sounds inapplicable, that's because it's hyperbole. We all know Google is doing just fine business-wise. Google could lose everything in the tablet market and still survive as a business, because their main cash cow has always been advertising, and there are no signs of them slowing down in that arena. But statistically they've been very slow in the tablet market compared to the iPad. We're looking at possibly 8 million being sold by the end of the year, meanwhile the newest iPad sold 3 million on the first weekend of its release. They're not in the death throes, but it will take a long time to catch up and become the main attraction.

iSuppli is not privy to all of the extra costs involved in R&D, especially not for a device as rushed as this one was. We know what the components should cost, that's it, and even those costs are mostly speculation. Google is still eating $25 on every tablet sold, so that's 1/8th of the revenue destroyed right off the bat. Add on top of that the costs of distribution, advertising, the I/O conference, and the list goes on. It doesn't matter if they're going to make it all up later, they're not in charge of ASUS's QC and no amount of money that you put into the Play store is going to directly drive someone at ASUS to check more thoroughly for screen lift before shipping.

By putting a warranty on a product, Google doesn't guarantee that it's not going to be free of defects, and the phrase "reasonably free" is purely subjective. Everyone's opinion of proper QC is different, and with so many devices out there you're going to see a lot of unlucky buyers getting multiple bad devices in a row.

Let me put things into perspective. Given the previous 8 million figure, at a failure rate of 1% that means up to 80,000 people out there will have had their hands on a bad device. That's more people than have ever been logged in at a single time on the XDA forums, and yet that's a phenomenally good failure rate for a budget consumer device. Remember when the Xbox 360 supposedly had a 25% chance of a RROD within the first three months of usage? All those death threats at Bill Gates didn't stop the 360 from becoming the single most popular home console of this generation.

This is not new, and this is far from the worst situation consumer electronics have been in.
[Nexus 7 General] AZImmortal:
The R&D is never included in these teardowns, so assuming the R&D for the Nexus 7 is on par with the R&D for the Kindle Fire, then when you compare just the manufacturing costs, both the 8GB and 16GB Nexus 7s are still considerably cheaper to manufacture than the 8GB Kindle Fire when it first came out. Google also doesn't eat the entire $25 credit. They only pay the 70% that goes to the developer. I'm also sure that Google is making this worth ASUS' time (ASUS obviously isn't going to build these for free), so since ASUS' QC is being paid to do a job, then I don't see what makes the Nexus 7 any less worthy of QC than any other product that they produce.

I'm assuming that you meant to say that "Google doesn't guarantee that it's going to be free of defects". The ASUS warranty card specifically says that "ASUS warrants the Product to be free from defects in workmanship and materials during the Warranty Period." This is the type of warranty that I would expect from any product that I buy.

Also, as abysmal as the Xbox 360's failure rate was (I have one myself), they at least increased the red ring warranty period to three years, and the replacement that you received didn't have the same problem that you sent it in for, which can't be said for the numerous Nexus 7 replacements that people are getting. Microsoft also never cut anyone off for getting too many replacements. If your 360 red ringed during the warranty period, then you automatically got a replacement, no questions asked.
[Nexus 7 General] peakaboohaha:
LOL I'm the same, I didn't even notice until I saw the complaints!
[Nexus 7 General] espionage724:
I paid $225, to Google, for a Tablet of flawless condition. I didn't pay $225 to have screen lift, I didn't pay $225 for dead pixel(s), I didn't pay $225 for a tablet broken in half. In the product description, does it say the tablet may come with defects?

Price doesn't matter. Google chose to sell it at the price they chose, and they chose to have a RMA service for people to use. And people who buy the tablet for that price, deserve to get what they paid for, and to use said RMA service. And I'm almost certain 99% of people are not paying $200+ for intentional screen lift, dead pixels, blown speakers, messed up digitizers, etc.but are instead paying for a defect-free, Nexus 7 tablet that they can use as intended.

I was lucky to of gotten a pretty flawless device. If there was a serious defect with it (one that impacted my ability to use the tablet like normal), then I would RMA it. With this in mind, I wouldn't RMA it 10+ times, nor would I expect Google to respect 10+ RMA's (I believe they have the right to limit how often people can RMA). I'd probably give it 3 tries, and then possibly request a refund, depending on my mood, and Google's cooperation with the matter.

I did have some temporary issue where pressing firmly at the top-left corner of my screen would make a loud popping noise (possibly related to adhesive not sticking properly; I didn't have this issue initially when I first got the tablet though), but this went away on it's own after a day or two. I was messing with that elite kernel, so maybe the heat melted the adhesive :p
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Dude I almost forgot! Did I mention the 25$ gift card! At the end of the day, I love Google for this awesome tablet! I can tell you this for sure, I got a better deal for this baby then I did with my unlocked G Nexus and Nexus S plus! the Nexus 7 is the the best android experience I've ever had! (On topic) no! I'm not rich, but I would not return the Nexus tab for a minor screen lift, one dead pixel or a little odd noise coming from the chassis when the price is this good.
[Nexus 7 General] yanksrock1000:
Yes, I did. Why wouldn't I?

I spent almost $300. For hundreds of dollars you bet I'm expecting quality, no excuses. I didn't buy it to get a defect.
[Nexus 7 General] jamesst20:
Sorry guys but I'm not with you.

I paid 298$ to get my Nexus 7 16Gb!

At this price, I expect a good quality tablet. Imagine a 13 year's old, 300$ it is MUCH for him, he does care about the quality
[Nexus 7 General] BostonDan2:
I expected quality over performance. I assumed Google would go the extra mile to ensure 99% of users received a flawless unit first time out to ensure a great user experience and to take marketshare. Instead, I believe Google/Asus cut corners to hit their price objectives and they are suffering double digit returns. I don't know this as fact, bit that is the appearance from my view.

I have been holding off on purchasing this tablet due to the reports of quality issues, the unsatisfactory reports of Asus/Google support, and lastly those that are bashing those individuals posting quality issues is souring my desire for the tablet. I thought the purpose of these forums was to allow people to vent and receive support from others.

I currently have an iPad 2, but also wanted a 7 inch tablet and really liked the idea of a tablet backed by Google. I'm a consultant and utilize google apps for my business. I would rather pay $350 for a rock solid 7 inch android tablet backed by google than $250 for a tablet that has questionable long term hardware quality problems. I have been waiting in hopes that quality would improve and the tone on this and other forums would change. Instead, I see continued reports of the same quality issues, buyers having to exchange their purchases many times to get a working unit, and then posters getting attacked for reporting their individual bad purchase experiences. I'm also concerned that those "working" units are going to have long term quality issues with screen separation and screen responsiveness.

I don't see this type of bashing on the apple forums. I am not an apple fan at all and would gladly pay the same apple price premium for a google backed device. I'm not saying apple doesn't have their own problems, but apple appears to have far fewer problems (at least far fewer than Samsung, Samsungs own marketing studies that were made public during the Samsung/Google trial showed high return rates due to defects), far better support, and has a user base that supports their fellow users instead of the bashing that happens on the android forums.

Personally, I still want this tablet, but wont invest in it until the appearance of quality improves. It isn't just XDA, but it is from android forums in general and some news articles. I hate to admit this, but if Apple does release a 7 inch tablet and Asus/Google has not improved quality and support by the time the iPad mini is released, I will be getting the iPad mini.
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
I certainly expected quality at this price, and I got it.

My Nexus 7 is head and shoulders above any alternative out there.

And I speak as one who bought a Nook Tablet and returned it.

Could not be happier with my nexus.
[Nexus 7 General] AZImmortal:
I completely agree with this. People are being attacked for reporting defects and it's mind-boggling to me why anyone would not only insist that defects are ok but that they would bash others for saying that they're not ok. There are even those who insist that there is no QC problem and that anyone reporting issues is making it up. It's like a mini case of holocaust denial.
[Nexus 7 General] surprise123:
I hope 10.1 tab coming out at 199-299
[Nexus 7 General] Jay Aristide:
BostonDan2:

My C60 tab arrived with 2 defects, both of which I was able to fix myself at no cost and without voiding my warranty. Since then, my user-experience has been flawless. I've encouraged 8 or 9 people that I know to purchase n7's, and all of them save one has received a flawless device. The one who had an unreasonable, un-self-repairable level of screen rise promptly returned it to Wal*Mart and exchanged it for another unit which was flawless.

I've seen people on these forums (and others) go through the RMA process. Some have had to go through it several times. Having been a tech junkie for decades, I knew what to expect when I ordered a first-batch n7. I was fully prepared for it to have a bundle of issues, as 90%+ first-run budget electronics do. My plan was simple: give it three chances and make sure they're at least 2 production runs apart. If, after my third device, I still didn't have what I considered a suitable tablet, I would return it and either wait a few months until they hammered out the manufacturing process, or take that money and buy a GTab2 7.0. In my personal opinion, going any further than that with the return/RMA/warranty process would constitute abusing my privileges as a customer, and I would be outright ashamed to do so.

I'm happy with my n7. Had it had any issues I couldn't fix without voiding the warranty, I would have RMA'd it - twice - then returned it. I

certainly

would not have returned it 5+ times and then blamed Google for cutting their losses in my case, AND THEN come on here trying to find FURTHER sympathy.

You won't find a better 7" tablet at this price, and I seriously doubt you'll find one at double the price. If you're concerned about production quality and you don't need it *this minute*, I strongly urge you to wait a couple of months. By the time the Christmas-rush batches roll out, they'll surely have everything ironed out, and these things will be coming off the assembly line with the same quality and consistency we've come to know and love from Asus :)
[Nexus 7 General] GeneralCrocket:
It's not the price that tells us its quality. It's the Nexus logo slapped on the box that does.
[Nexus 7 General] Msilvame:
It's a nexus, I expect quality!
[Nexus 7 General] shook187:
Reading a few replies is making me realize just how OCD this XDA community is. Some of you guys would return this tablet for a minor flaw even if you paid $50 for it.
[Nexus 7 General] diegodbm:
It's funny, but when I bought something, I expect that it works fine, and with several months or years it would fail, but not in the first 2 weeks...

Enviado desde mi Nexus 7 usando Tapatalk 2

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It's funny, but when I bought something, I expect that it works fine, and with several months or years it would fail, but not in the first 2 weeks...

Enviado desde mi Nexus 7 usando Tapatalk 2

---------- Post added at 03:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:09 AM ----------

It's funny, but when I bought something, I expect that it works fine, and with several months or years it would fail, but not in the first 2 weeks...

Enviado desde mi Nexus 7 usando Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 7 General] jamesst20:
We got to stop to panic about screen issue, Google worked on the issue and right now, since August 20, all new builded device has their screen fixed
[Nexus 7 General] rkanwar:
I love this device. However the only issue i have is I received a device which looked like it was used and that the charger isn't in the box...I told Google about this and they are going to send me a replacement as the cssn number is associated with two other devices and to someone else not me. All I have to do is wait two weeks because I need to get paid in order to place the auth on my card. Only thing is I can't root anything and use six axis for example.
[Nexus 7 General] EvoJake:
Xda did a great job making me paranoid about the quality issues.

Two days ago I found a local store that had a 16gb version, so I bought it. I love it!

My wife has the 10" Asus tf300t and she is jealous.

No defects that I can see and it is a c60 build.
[Nexus 7 General] veeman:
By screen issue do you mean the screen lift or the other problems with the screen like yellow tint, light bleed, etc?
[Nexus 7 General] SPreston2001:
Light bleed is not really a flaw but more of a characteristic of LCD technology. Yellow tint could be the type of glue used or just the manufacturer of the LCD screen. I mean come on guys you can't expect them to use top of the line materials/components and price it at $200. If you want a better high quality screen with a solid metal frame, 8mp rear facing camera, along with Bose speakers then its gonna cost you alot more than $200 lol. If you have severe light bleed then ok I can see you being upset but even my $2000 55" Samsung 3d LCD television has some minor light bleed in the corners. Now im not talking to you directly so don't take it that way, im more so referring to everybody trying to compare it to the iPad when thats not what the N7 is directly competing with. Compare it to a Kindle Fire or Nook tablet and the N7 eats it for lunch...
[Nexus 7 General] xerox89:
-.- ya , after reading alot i become worry

But after i get the real device , no problem at all .

I even crack open the back cover , the design of the tablet should make the left glass to be slightly higher than right one .

As long as it doesnt go out from the housing then it should be ok .
[Off-topic] got556:
With my bday today (now...central US timezone) what should I buy as a present to myself?

Looking for something "gadgety" and fun/interesting

I'm set on devices for the most part, the Nexus Q, Chromebook (CR-48 model), and Sony Chromebox all interests me, but then they all do the same thing my current laptop or computer hooked up to my TV can do.

Thought about a smart watch such as a pebble and I just feel I'm too hard on my watches. (Normally stick with G-Shocks)

Thought about an iPhone 4S to play around with and wouldn't you know it, the g/f is getting one and then I'm gonna take her Nexus and try to trade it + some cash for an SIII.....

So....XDA OT'ers, what cool gadgets does my hard earned money need to be spent on?
[Off-topic] jRi0T68:
DIY sex robot. It'll be the best prom EVER!

How old are you? That makes a difference. Any other hobbies? Where do you live?
[Off-topic] Dirk:
Gym membership.

Lot's of gadgets to play with in the Cardio section as all the machines are like computers these days. Plus you get healthy as you play around with various settings!
[Off-topic] kenpen:
Give the money to the poor
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
And by that, he means me.

Sent from your mom.
[Off-topic] Android_Monsters:
a lot of people have a. Nexus 7 and an s3
[Off-topic] heinrichkaiser:
Nexus 7 and the rest give it to me.. :silly: