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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Stuart calm down.

I have nothing against the Surface Pro. My point is that if you can afford the Surface Pro you should get it but do not feel bad that your $500 SGN10.0 doesn't have an HD screen like a device costing almost twice as much.

What makes you such a Surface evangelist?

P.S. How do you figure almost twice the price is a "bit more money". That hyperbole my friend. It will be the Note ++ and the Price ++.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] stuartv:
You don't have anything against it, but you are posting that it will cost $900 (stated as if it's a fact), when no official pricing info has been released and you're not even claiming that you were told by an insider who does actually know? And stating as a fact that it will weigh over 2 pounds when MS has published specs stating that it will actually be under (just slightly) 2 pounds.

While at the same time not pointing out any of the advantages - like the obvious one, that the base model Pro has 64GB and a 1/2" bigger screen as part of the explanation for its higher (presumably) cost.

All this misinformation/disinformation sure makes it sounds like you have something against it.

I am a Surface Pro evangelist just like I'm a Galaxy Note 10.1 evangelist. Because I like new high-tech products that solve problems for me that nothing previously could solve (or, at least, not nearly as well). My g/f is SICK of hearing me go on about how great my Note is. It really is a great device. But, that doesn't mean I'm going to trash other devices to make mine look better. At least, not trash them by spewing misinformation and leaving out important positives about the other device.

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$550 versus $900 (according to you) is "almost twice the price"?? And the link BarryH_GEG just posted in the "To the owners..." thread says that Lenovo is suggesting the price will be in the $600 to 700 range.

Since there is no pricing announced, whether you say "a bit more" or "twice the price", it's all speculation. We all expect it to be more than the Note. But, you also get more. For me, I'll be looking at value, not just absoluate price. And even if the Pro is $900, for the extra storage and the bigger screen I, personally, would consider that "a bit more".

If you NEED what the Note provides, then you probably NEED the Surface Pro even more and the extra money will be justified and not much of an issue. If you don't NEED that, then you probably don't NEED a Note, either (versus a less expensive Android tablet). In which case, talking to me about the money is going to fall somewhat on deaf ears. I don't have much patience for people complaining that the toy they WANT is too expensive.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Well we'll see. The question remains. How do you build a tablet with MORE functionality than an ultrabook for hundreds less?

Answer. You don't.

Regardless we will see. I hope it is a fantastic inexpensive tablet but Occam's Razor would indicate otherwise. If it has better components than an ultrabook it won't cost less.

P.S. I have been saying it will weigh 2 pounds and you have said it will weigh 1.99 pounds and you are arguing this point? Lol. Seriously friend, pick better battles.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] stuartv:
You have said it will weigh OVER 2 pounds. Big difference. And 100% wrong, according to MS specs.

And "how do you build a tablet with MORE functionality than an ultrabook for hundreds less?" does not give any acknowledgement of the fact that the Surface Pro is not necessarily MORE functional than an ultrabook. It's different. It doesn't have a clamshell and hinges and a built-in keyboard, for starters.

Plus, as others have observed, MS may choose to use it as something like a loss leader. I doubt they'll actually sell it for a loss. But, they may sell it for a much lower margin than other companies that are selling ultrabooks. Plus, don't forget, those Ultrabooks that come with Windows have a price that is padded by the manufacturer having to pay MS a license fee for Windows. When MS sells their own tablet with Windows on it, they don't have that same extra cost.

So, even if MS doesn't build it for hundreds less, they might still SELL it for a hundred or two less....

As you say, we wil see. But, in the meantime, if you will stop posting misinformation as if it's fact, I will stop acting so grumpy about it. :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
You are aware this is an SGN10.1 forum right? Maybe you are looking for the Surface Forum? I'm sure that the Surface Pro will be a great device and hopefully it will get off to a better start than Windows phone. Be honest, MS track record in the mobile space doesn't lend much confidence.

Anyway relax man. Its just a computer.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] stuartv:
LOL! Hey man, you're the one that started a thread about (and, apparently, to bash) the Surface....

I AM relaxed. There is no need for anybody to get their panties in a bunch because something might come out in 6 months that is better (or a better value) than the Note 10.1. It's sure to happen, actually. And definitely no need for threads about such future products that do nothing but use incorrect information and ignore valid points about such future devices, just to make people feel better about their Note purchase.

The Note is awesome. Trash-talking other devices doesn't make the Note any more awesome. Trash-talking devices that aren't out and don't even have full specs or pricing published, just to make somebody feel better about their Note, is nothing but a waste of time.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Well you clearly have the highest possible expectations for the Surface despite having no more definitive information on it than I do. You are guessing it will be inexpensive. You are guessing it will be far superior technologically. You are guessing people will like it more than any prior Microsoft mobile devices which have been pathetic failures.

However it is just as likely, probably moreso, that it will be too expensive, too heavy, and a screen too small to compete with similarly priced ultrabooks.

You treat your hopes as facts. Since you don't KNOW what the price will be why are you so upset that I say it will be $900? I hold that people will NOT PAY laptop prices for a 10 inch screen. Can you imagine a businessperson trying to run MS Access on a 10 inch screen? How about huge spreadsheets? You would go blind.

Add to that most people have a very bad taste in their mouth from Windows Mobile products. Windows 8 for desktop is a joke. I just don't think it is going to be the blockbuster you hope it is. The RT will be too weak and the Pro will cost too much.

It will be a product stuck in the middle with nowhere to go.

P.S. People love Apple and they love Android. Will take more than the Surface to change that.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Here is a direct quote from Microsoft regarding the Surface:

So.

If the RT version in fact sells for $200 as the rumor suggests it will be a runaway bestseller. However, compare it to the Nexus 7 at $200. That is a VERY small device with no keyboard and they basically break even on it. There is NO WAY Surface RT costs less than $200 to make. No, RT will likely price in the $400 to $500 range (with basically the same screen as the Note 10.1) and NO PEN. The Pro will price around 900+ just like i5 ultrabooks.

I mean, it's pretty clear. That's what MS told us and it makes sense as true things often do.

Anyway, if you want Windows and sorta Office with a nice keyboard but no pen, Surface RT will be an excellent choice. If you want a pen at $500, Note 10.1 will still be your choice. I think the Surface RT will likely do quite well. The Pro version may struggle - it's basically an ultrabook with a funny flat keyboard and a small screen with a pen for the same price you get an Ultrabook. MS Office needs real estate to run. I have triple 23 inch monitors in my office and even then my Office apps can get cramped.

You may recall, the whole point of this thread was to compare the Surface Pen with the Note 10.1 Pen. If you want to use a pen with the Surface Pro it will most likely cost you about $400 more than the Note 10.1. That was my original point and I am sticking to it :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
P.S. stuartv

I appreciate this vigorous debate. We have not flamed each other or called names. We simply disagree and have argued our points of view.

My overall point is this. For at least the next year, the SGN10.1 will be THE choice of pen input tablets at the $500 price point.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] stuartv:
Actually, I don't disagree with anything you said. I'm just pointing out that you are stating things as if they are facts, which they are simply not. Some things are flat out wrong (which you have yet to acknowledge) - like when you said the Surface Pro will be over 2 pounds. And most things are pure speculation - like what the price will be and whether it will "run hot".

Like many of us have said about the Note reviews, I say to you, criticize the Surface based on the FACTS, not your speculation and your subjective opinions. It is lame, subjective BS to go around saying "the Surface Pro will be heavy" when, in fact, the weight of it is published. So, you COULD say, "the Surface Pro will be 2 pounds" or "the Surface Pro will be 300g heavier than the Note". The former is subjective, with bad connotations, and designed to push people away from the Surface. The latter 2 are just the facts and the reader can form their own opinions. Saying the Surface RT will be "junk" with a pen is subjective, lame BS. Saying that the Surface RT will be just as effective with a pen as any other tablet that does not have a digitizer (e.g. a Transformer or an iPad) is just stating the facts and not TRYING to push people away from the RT.

Put your axe down and stick to the facts. Let people form their own opinions instead of trying to shove yours down their throats.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Stuart, answer me this.

Why would an MS Office user need a touchscreen? It is designed for mouse and keyboard. So why pay for touchscreen you don't need and trade a 15 inch screen for a 10 or 11 inch screen at the same price point? What is my motivation?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] stuartv:
See my post in the other thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=30871697&postcount=172

Thinking that the only reason for a person to get a Surface Pro is so they can run Office is "not thinking".
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
TheNextWeb citing internal MS sources are claiming the Surface RT will start at $599 and the Pro at $999.

At those prices it is dead.

Why does an Office user require a touch screen?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] stuartv:
Ummmm, duh! They don't.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
Exactly. Well we will see.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] stuartv:
Yep. And it is SO SAD that the only thing full-blown Windows offers over an Android tablet is running MS Office. What WERE all those people and companies thinking that bought PCs instead of tablets and don't even run MS Office?! It must have just been because ICS tablets weren't out yet, but now that they are, I'm sure they'll all start purchasing tablets instead of PCs. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
stu,

Let's take this debate to PM. I'm sure we are boring the hell out of everyone else. :)
[General Questions and Answers] ntn_labs:
Is there any chance to get pass the 10 posts limit and speak in developers forum? I go here often, but my last problem was three years ago and resolved in two replies. I don't remember that limit was in effect back then :)

Do I really need to write another 7 not usefull posts to get one simple answer in developer forum? :)
[General Questions and Answers] devwithzachary:
No you need to write 7 useful posts, try helping people in the QandA section etc.

This is how it is, there a very good reasons behind these rules and this thread will likely be closed so just move on and help others.
[General Questions and Answers] ntn_labs:
Okay, just let me think about this for a while... You are suggesting that a noob that has a problem should first solve some other problems and then he is allowed to solve his own problem?

Hm, since when is XDA only for the selected?
[General Questions and Answers] BlaRock86:
I have to agree with topic-starter.

I read much info before I even registered. I rooted my phone with the various threads, but then you have a problem/bug, and you can't address it in the dev-thread.

If some-one asks why there is a 10post limit, everybody says, help other people in the q&A topic.

As a very beginner in rooting/change rom's, you just can't help other people with much more complicated questions.

I'm on many forums, and usually such rule only results in more un-usefull spamming.

I don't have a huge problem with that. But I had a problem with a ROM, and instead of just asking it in the dev-section, I had to search a couple of hours in many threads to find a solution.
[General Questions and Answers] SimonTS:
The key there is that you found the answer yourself after searching for a couple of hours. That is how people learn - it's how I learnt how to root, S-Off etc my HTC DS - by reading and trying to understand.

The Dev section is NOT the place for questions. It is NOT the place for questions. It is NOT the place for questions. Get the idea? The Dev section is for Development - genuine bug reporting and discussion by the guys who develop and test the ROMs.

I don't think 10 posts is enough. I personally feel that the Dev section should be by invite only. Once somebody has proved that they are able to abide by the rules of XDA and contribute in a meaningful manner then the Devs can invite them to join if they feel so inclined.
[General Questions and Answers] devwithzachary:
Well two things here, no If you have a problem you need solving you post it in the Q&A section in the first place..as this is where questions go ;) Development threads are for development.

And XDA is and always has been about the developers, about developers sharing there work.
[General Questions and Answers] ntn_labs:
Yes, great... So developers have time to test other developers work? I would say that all the wannabe testers have hard time to feedback developers. They use emails. Developers say: use forum, it's great. And the usual answer is: I'm not over the limit yet.

I flash often, I test often. I find bugs often. I read ALOT. And when I find something no one has found yet.... I have to wait until an "experienced noob" (you don't really think number of posts indicate how experienced a guy is...) will write a bug report.

I got tired of waiting today and tried to step ahead but no... I have to make more comments to prove I'm worthy to speak with the DEV's... I'm no flamer and don't take this post like that but...

Posting a question in Q&A and hoping that one guy who might have my solution will answer... Maybe PM him and when he answers I will keep the solution to myself. Nah, too simple... XDA is for developers and developers always rely on people who test their night builds. Don't keep DEV's alone up there in the Ivory tower :angel:

PS: I would never dare to ask a question that was already answered here...
[General Questions and Answers] Da1nonlyakiehl:
Yeah whats up with that

I have to have ten post before i can post my issue on the rom i downloaded that kinda bricked my phone. baha... i am swolt.. and to top it off i have to wait 5 minutes between post :( i guess it sucks to be a new user; but i am glad to be a part of the XDA forum team since i have been flashing every week for the past year or so... :) i joined after i ran into a problem go figure...
[General Questions and Answers] devwithzachary:
Its a case of thats just how it is, many devs have started threads in the general subsections for talking about the ROMs to reduce the issue.

The big reason for the limit is simple, with out it the dev section gets flooded with question threads, and general chit chat or basic questions which have been answered a million times end up in dev threads which should be kept clean for real feedback to been seen by the devs.

I know it sucks but it works, 10 posts is nothing, you will find if you look across the forum there will be plenty of threads you can give input to (For example there are loads of "which do you like more" type threads) which require no technical skill. You will very quickly get past the ten posts and move on
[General Questions and Answers] Da1nonlyakiehl:
I know it sucks but it works, 10 posts is nothing, you will find if you look across the forum there will be plenty of threads you can give input to (For example there are loads of "which do you like more" type threads) which require no technical skill. You will very quickly get past the ten posts and move on[/QUOTE]

Yeah; I am well on my way. 3 down 7 to go :).
[General Questions and Answers] ntn_labs:
I know I know, just a long day at work..

Close it please.
[General Questions and Answers] TeeJay3800:
Wrong section, this issue has been discussed to no end, and the rule isn't going anywhere. Thread closed.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mremale:
Tried searching from xda app. I'm on stongsteve's odexed blue EL29 just for nostalgia, how do i get rid of the upgrade notification. My other EL29 roms don't have this issue
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=28798570

Sent from my SPH-D710 using Xparent SkyBlue Tapatalk 2
[HTC One S] unknown89:
Is it me or do you guys find touch screen gaming on games like gta3 frustrating due to unresponsiveness when using your hands on htc one s. I cant seem to move my character 2 paces with him stopping. When can we expect joystick support....
[HTC One S] rvdangel630:
When I go poop I take my phone with me.
[HTC One S] unknown89:
What?!
[HTC One S] k1llacanon:
Alone time is the toilet can't beat it
[HTC One S] j0hnh0lmes:
It already has joystick support. I play alot of games with my PS3 controller.
[HTC One S] unknown89:
Thats via blue tooth not usb??
[HTC One S] thenewshaft:
How did you pair the controller to the handset, are you rooted?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Deleted member 3976874:
Hello

I'm running CleanROM 2.0 and whenever I want to make a call, com.android.phone stops responding. I looked for a solution in similar threads, most of them suggested removing FB Sync, which I already had off.

Btw, I'm using the phone on GSM right now. Can anyone help?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] 1ManWolfePack:
I would say wipe both caches and re flash the ROM. If that doesn't do it, wipe data.

The first suggestion is what I would recommend in any circumstance while troubleshooting.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Deleted member 3976874:
I already tried wiping and reflashing, it worked for few hours and then stopped again... I think there's an app that is causing this problem. I even tried to fix permissions, it didnt work as well
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Brian Gove:
Sounds like it might be the ROM to me. Not to sound like an arrogant a-hole but, have you asked in it's thread? You'll probably get a lot better troubleshooting there IMO.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Deleted member 3976874:
I thought that as well, so I flashed Beans ROM, got the same problem.

Could it be because I'm using the phone for GSM and I'm outside the US now, so after flashing the ROM the phone is not activating?
[HTC Desire S] kl0br1ll3:
Hi,

i installed the Nik Project X v4.1 (Desire S) By Nikhil007 a.k.a Nikhil Dhayatkar on my Desire S.

And noticed that the Battery is faster empty as with Stock Rom 2.3.5 from HTC...

Is it normal oder what should i do. The first Charg with this ROM toke also a looong Time...

Thx for you Answers!

Sorry for my bad English ;)
[HTC Desire S] maxlieb:
This Rom Is Known to Drain Battery like crazy :)
[HTC Desire S] eifelgeist78:
it looks really good this rom but the battery drain is really a problem. i hope they can fix it soon. nice work!!

greetz
[HTC Desire S] kl0br1ll3:
Ok, didn't know this...

But in the Description the Author says "Fast Stable - And Battery Optimizied"

In 3h 40min it eated about 6 percent... It means theoretically that one Charge hold 61h ca. 2 1/2 days.... It is normal ?
[HTC Desire S] maxlieb:
you could try flashing the new tweaked kernel 3, see if it helps, but all sense 4 roms I tried untill now had disappointing battery life, It does get better after a few days of usage but still not great
[HTC Desire S] kl0br1ll3:
and where can i find the tweaked Kernel 3 ?
[HTC Desire S] bobahajduk:
using nik rom for 2 days , and i can confirm that it's battery killer...but all the things are working very well, only bugg i found was a camre zoom, when i do that , camera is force closing ,and i can't turn it on , unless i reboot the phone..
[HTC Desire S] kl0br1ll3:
I'am thinking about to flash back to Stock ROM ....

Cause 1 day for a full batterey is very bad, with the original ROM i easily made 2-3 days
[HTC Desire S] rain987:
Ur concept is fairly false.

Battery life span depends on the usage or screen on. I can use my phone for a 3 hours from 100% to 20% in the span of half a day, a full day or even drag to 2 days. Damn if I leave it alone I can even drag it to 3 or 4 days.

Sent from my HTC Desire S
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] acompres:
Is there any kind of way we can modify the statusbar enough so it resembles this? i don't know why google has not think of that, it's way more efficient than the normal one
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deveron3:
Um, flyme "os" is based on android. It is certainly possible to do this for android, but I don't see much extra functionality possibilities with this status bar... All it really does is take space away from the notification icons to accommodate the larger clock and shuffles them to a second row. This also unnecessarily wastes screen space.

But hey, whatever floats your boat man...

:D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] nnjwy:
I searched and have been trying to move files to external sdcard from the Internal storage on my galaxy Note 10.1. I came across on the google play a file manager called File Manager HD (Tablet ) I have successfuly transferred files from internal to ext sdcard without any issues, reason i have been trying cause i have the 16 gb version and was also concerned about space now i wont have to. Hopefully this will help you if you are:worried about your internal storage.:p nI prefer the White than the Grey
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mitchellvii:
The 16 gb space limitation really is only a problem for people who want lots of big games on their tablets. I have about 200 or so apps on my tablet and have barely used any space at all. I keep all my media files and backups on the external SDCard.

I have a12 foot HD projection screen at home hooked to my computer. After youve played Dirt 3 Racing on a 12 foot HD screen anything on a tablet just seems silly. Luckily this means 16 gb is more than i'll ever need :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mstrandbo:
I did that with the My Files app that's included...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] ashuras:
Yep and thd gamers can use App 2 SD and GL to SD to move the massive downloaded portions of the games to external storage. Saved me a ton of space.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitro530:
Cynagen mod is a waste !!!!!!!!! NEVER AGAIN !!!!!!!! I LOVE THE ORIGINAL official stock installed.cynagen mod 9 is utter nonsense.spent 5 hous this morning fixing cymagen mods mess.the touch response is a disgrace.even after adjusting settings and dont even get me started on the ui and layout.it removed handy apps like my weather app that came pre installed.that rom should come with a warning.had to re-install ics 4.0.4 all over again , the root.sure you can have access to overlock , adjust settings that you dont get on the official rom but theres hundreds of custom built apps by hundreds of developers that can do that and so much more !!!!!!! never again cynagen mod again !!!!!!!!!
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theunderling:
Dont disrespect a developer on here fool.Give me the link for your rom and see what craps missing from that.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stumpyz9:
No0b alert