[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cp320703:
I doubt that samsung is laughing at this thread. They put out workable builds, I dislike touchwiz personally so I would never use them but not only do samsung releases work, they are continuing to release new builds to fix the bugs that are there.

You continue to say "proper ICS device"? What the hell does that mean, I've asked repeatedly and you've yet to answer. The fact that you seem to believe that specific devices are build only for specific versions of android shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how android works, no if's and's or but's about it. There is no such this as "a proper ICS" device, again I will point to the HD2 or Evo to back this claim up, what specific operating system are those devices limited to by your bizarre logic? There are currently a multitude of devices on the market with ICS that have inferior hardware spec to ours.

If you think the stock roms are that bad try one of the custom roms made by the developers here. Blu kuban or Goodness have none of the issues that you've pointed out as ICS "bugs". To this point 99% of what you referenced as bugs are either user error or have simple work arounds. Reboots? never had them on ICS... Force Closes? don't do no data flash's from GB, the GB app framework is causing issues, this does not mean ICS is incapable of running on this phone. Bloated batteries? battery's go bad over time, I hope you are not somehow claiming ICS causes batteries to go bad, as that is comically absurd... overclocking/undervolting? people do this on every version of android for a wide variety of reasons, it is in no way necessary on ICS, I got great battery life without bothering with it, as have many others. Kernel/modem shuffling? people change kernels for any number of reasons, in no way do you have to "shuffle" kernels to get good performance, insofar as modems these have not a damn thing to do with whatever version of android you're running and everything to do with sprints network... crashes/lost apps/errors/additional apps? with the exception of better battery stats you don't need any additional apps, and you should already have it anyways, regarding everything else, see my opinions on force closes... you're doing it wrong... Hot phone? app related, check better battery stats, etc, etc, etc.... ALL of these "issues" you've brought up have solutions if you can be bothered to spend like 10 minuets reading. How many screencaps of ICS battery stats do you need to see with 24hrs plus and 4-5 hrs screentime before you realize that there is nothing wrong with ICS that cannot be easily fixed????

You are helping no one by saying "return to gingerbread" when they post regarding an ICS problem. 99% of the time there is a solution to their issue and its not like people don't know that gingerbread is an option for this phone. In short your opinions are wrong. A cursory amount of research would confirm this for you. Your suggestion to return to gingerbread is just the piss poor opinion of a guy who can't be bothered to read the information available on this forum because he is too busy posting that this is only a gingerbread device. smh. /end rant

lol, you called it, that beard is so strong dude