yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
He said it was after a clean flash. I'm assuming he didn't change any options away from their defaults.

Since PM/AM is disabled by default, there should be no reasons that it doesn't work after a clean flash.
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
It was clean install so i didnt change anything. tried with taking screenshot and with missing call/sms notification. And nothing. O.o also my language doesnt support am/pm clock style. So why would i use that?
[Nexus S Android Development] :
Hahaha sorry alen1901, love you, but this made me cackle
[Nexus S Android Development] gfinockio:
Do you have a screen shot or no?
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
Yeah, i giglled too . :D

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I dont have screen of that missing button and im not planing to make it because i settled down another ROM. One day i will try again and than post it. Unique problem i have, you gotta like it haha.
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
LOL. Bye again! I for one will not miss you.

I'm always amused by the criteria driving the average user closer or away from a ROM.

The less users with made-up and idiotic issues, questions or complaints in this thread the better. I now have created a prototype answer that I'm planning to use more often:

I know I sometimes sound like thalamus but for the love of Osiris, you people drain my patience. Less dependency, more agency and initiative please.
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
And what, you dont have patience to help people here? Hmm. Strange.

I know this "problem" only i have, and i just reported it here if someone else gets the same or had the same to help them. I was anyways migrating from rom to rom so its not a big deal to me, but for some others it might be.
[Nexus S Android Development] gfinockio:
It's a problem, sure... but a very minor one with a workaround. I don't think it's knzo's priority to be an artisan and make the perfect ROM. A few minor flaws I think people can live with.
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
No furthure commenting needed. Lets get back to topic and keep the thread clean.
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
Nope, why should I? Am I being paid to do it? I build the ROM for myself and I'm altruistic enough to grace you all with it and listen to minor requests. You are an idiot if you take this for granted as it's a principle that also applies for other developers, cookers or enthusiasts. You are not a consumer of a service or a good, you are an user in XDA and so am I so it's your duty to do your best to find out the root of your issues and not just jam them up my ass without any revision or initiative and threaten that you'll change ROM if I don't care about it. The same goes for questions, feature requests and so on.

I'm starting to get fed up with XDA too. I think I'd rather make this more personal (facebook group) or impersonal (twitter/blog). Forum is bad.
[Nexus S Android Development] gfinockio:
I hope you don't mind the PM I'm going to send you in about 30 seconds.

In any case - remember that for every guy *****ing and complaining about the work you do here, there are 5 guys who keep their mouths shut and just stare in awe at what magic you can work with these ROMs.

Again - that status bar calendar shortcut? Fantastic! I'll swipe away 20 notifications every minute for that sort of feature!
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
It's not about complaining on my "work" because I don't think I deserve more credits than those who coded the features that me and rascarlo are using. It's more about the passive attitude some users show, treating the ROMs and kernels as services owed to them. I'm not like some developers around XDA who are into this for the spotlight so don't expect these behaviors you are used to from me.

Anyway, back on topic.
[Nexus S Android Development] stojshic:
You do realize that this ROM is based on rasbean? Rascarlo added that feature to rasbean, it isn't added by knzo. Don't take it personally knzo

Ps. I just realized, i have that button that Alen have problem with, even if I have only one notification. I do use rasbean, tho
[Nexus S Android Development] coluichepensa:
good morning,

I have the strawberry on my phone, great rom, and I want flash up this new version. Do I have reinstall my apps after the flash or they remain as they are?

thanks for your help

Special thanks to knzo for sharing with us his roms.
[Nexus S Android Development] treesurf:
Flash this on top of your older version of Strawberry without wiping anything and you should be fine. All your apps will still be there.
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
You got me all wrong. :D im not complaining about anything and im not threatning. I just reported my problem. Like i said before, to help. Not all people are the same, for example, i know forum can be center of fullyness and stupidity, and can make nerves go wild, but i feel somehow better if i try to help, no metter if its free. Im just that kind of person, so i will try to help how much i can. You do to, but in another way, and i dont mind it. Hey, we are not all xda twins.
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
I don't. But actually it was coded by some guy for CM ROM, not rascarlo. And also actually, I tweeted rascarlo almost 1 month ago the feature so he could be aware of it and add it too. In a way, Strawberry had it before he did (6 days ago). Same goes for in-call transparency screen which he added yesterday. In fact, if he adds custom ioctl to crespo I don't have to keep up this ROM anymore and I'll be very happy. ;)

Fair enough but then don't stop at "nah, now I'm in another ROM, maybe someday I'll say if it's working". If helping is your purpose then your actions went against it.
[Nexus S Android Development] stojshic:
Yup, i know that it ain't coded by Rascarlo, but I didn't know that you pointed that feature to him. Thanks for pointing that out to him, and to me. I love that feature! :)
[Nexus S Android Development] ej8989:
The "going back to another rom" statement was disrespectful and inappropriate.

It's like saying "This ROM is garbage don't flash it you'll regret it. Flash the ROM in my signature instead!"
[Nexus S Android Development] apatal:
Guys, let's just give the guy a break. I don't think English is alen's native language so he may be having a hard time expressing himself. He seems to genuinely like the ROM and would like to be helpful as well. I don't think he means any offense with the "other ROM" comment.

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[Nexus S Android Development] aladin6:
Just wanted to know your own experience with AOSP: do you feel and notice a huge difference between CM10 based ROMs? Performance, battery life...
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
I have better battery on CM10 than on AOSP but performance is much worse. The other day I had CM installed and boy, it was a horrible experience in terms of smoothness. I have heard similar complaints for Galaxy Nexus so I guess it's not only us.

That's why I'm rolling Strawberry, it has AOSP smoothness and CM battery. :)
[Nexus S Android Development] explorer-10:
Just so that I'm up to date, the latest release, v11.10, has a build date of Nov. 6 correct? Also, I know it's just a tiny problem but probably can just live with it, but the problem where when you switch orientation when you have the app drawer open, the menu bar is unable to open still. Again, if it can't be fixed or nothing really major to go back to look over, I could deal with it I guess.
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
The build date of v11.10 is 6th of November but the kernel is 10th of November (fixed random reboots). As for the issue you mentioned I have replicated it but it's too minor, you'll have to live with it!
[Nexus S Android Development] explorer-10:
Another thing I forgot to mention is that, don't hate me for this, but it MIGHT be a very slight ROM issue(I could be wrong) where I was on v10.19, I could have the lowest min CPU setting clocked to 100, but after updating to v11.10, I'm locked to 200 even after trying to set it to 100
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
It's not a ROM issue, it's a parameter in the kernel. To be truthful that doesn't really matter; in fact, 200 Mhz is more battery-friendly than 100 Mhz for most devices (race to idle). Sometimes they even set it at 300 Mhz by default like OMAP3.

You are still worrying about what noobs worry battery-wise. Take my word, forget about CPU control, tweaks or profiles. Go defensive on the brightness and you'll see a much more noticeable difference than messing around with min/max freqs or voltages.
[Nexus S Android Development] noobiekins:
I had a reboot while listing to music on 'apollo' music player, switched over to play music and not a single reboot since...

edit: Was on 11/09, will try 11/10
[Nexus S Android Development] gfinockio:
knzo - do you mind if I ask you a beginner-type question about customization in private messages?
[Nexus S Android Development] explorer-10:
While there is an advantage to be had for pushing the Google Search app to the /system partition like having it launch quicker compared to it being in the /data/app partition, are there any advantages for Gmail and Google+ to be pushed to /system?

Working wonders for me here...
[Nexus S Android Development] slipkory:
I cant play mp3 file via apollo music player..anyone have same issue?..im on version 11.09.
[Nexus S Android Development] jerrymouse12:
What about updating to 11.10 before asking?
[Nexus S Android Development] :
You're absolutely right about the brightness, but 200mhz consumes much more power than 100mhz, because the frequency is doubled in the CPU, so that's twice the power consumption for that part, and the bus speed is allowed to halve at 100mhz, again meaning twice the power consumption at 200mhz for this part.

People will find that 100mhz will stick if they don't try to set any minimum. Use cpuspy to confirm.

I wrote a patch to fix the issue: https://github.com/bedalus/marmite/commit/051fa37e4dcb72223e2fe4151fc3e615963cabc6.patch
[Nexus S Android Development] treesurf:
Hi all, I'm having a problem taking videos. Starting the video is fine but as soon as I stop it the app crashes. I have a feeling it might just be my phone, but I just wanted to get confirmation from someone else running this ROM that videos are working correctly. Thanks!
[Nexus S Android Development] ej8989:
The moment you posted about video problems i was testing mine as well. No problems here with stock strawberry kernel, matr1x, and marmite.
[Nexus S Android Development] treesurf:
Thanks for letting me know! Finally got it working after installing the 4.2 camera and then going back to recovery to wipe cache, dalvik, and fix permissions. Hopefully it stays working!
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
That's a very old discussion. Mhz must consider their voltage. If 100 Mhz has the same voltage as 200 Mhz (or 122 to 245, which is the case in many kernels for QSD) then 200 Mhz saves more battery because the tasks are executed faster. On the other hand, if 100 Mhz has a lower voltage than 200 Mhz, is it significant? Is it significant enough to overcome the advantage of faster code execution and faster race to idle that 200 Mhz? Underclocking the minimum frequency or undervolting haven't been found to be a reliable method to save battery in many devices, I don't think Nexus S is an exception.

You'll need numbers to convince me otherwise but then again it's very difficult to measure the practical effects of this. :P
[Nexus S Android Development] :
Check this out: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=22126806#post22126806

...under the Power Misconceptions subheading. Like all sciences, electronics is just a degenerate form of mathematics. :p
[Nexus S Android Development] waterface:
I seem to recall that from bedalus' intensive and extensive benchmark sessions it came up that 100MHz drains half as much power as 200MHz at the same voltage. In terms of mA drain instant measurements that is- which incidentally satisfies the theoretical equation, P = CV^2f.

I do agree with knzo that the practical effects (gain in battery life) are very hard to measure, maybe notice.

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Exactly. We were typing posts at the same time.
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
The P=CV^2f formula is not enough as far as I understand. First because that only applies to static power consumption and not dynamic. Secondly you need to know the SoC process as you cannot expect that formula to accurately predict the power consumption of both Pentium 3 and a 28nm Cortex-A15, especially for dynamic. Since the static p can be almost the same as dynamic p then lowering the frequency may not affect it at all. You also need to consider the idle states where the capacitance is also lowered, not just frequency and voltage since many areas of the SoC are powered down.

I don't think it can be linearly reduced to a formula like you have on that post, too many variables and things to account for. If things were so easy then all SoC would come clocked at 100 Mhz min frequency but it is not so. Even the QSD who have 122 Mhz unlocked come clocked at 245 Mhz. This I believe is not "forgetfulness" but design. My LG Black had a quite interesting PM and it had the minimum clocked at 300 Mhz. Sure, SmartReflex plays a hand but still.

Either way theoretical electronics are out of my comfort zone haha. In practical terms I have never found out that underclocking min/max or even undervolt contributed significantly to the battery consumption.
[Nexus S Android Development] aladin6:
Thank you for answering dude ;) Will try Strawberry ASAP ;).
[Nexus S Android Development] dosesdoyle:
+1 on this. Just switched from CM to Strawberry and it is much much smoother. Also flashed Marmite 6.7.9 and it got even better. Not sure about battery life just yet but it seems comparable to CM.
[Nexus S Android Development] aladin6:
Can't image something smoother than CM/CM based ROMs or AOKP :D. I really have to test that AOSP StrawBerry :D.
[Nexus S Android Development] dosesdoyle:
Yeah give it a shot. I think you'll like it.
[Nexus S Android Development] aladin6:
WTF ?!?! That's completely unbelievable?! No no no!!! But... How can it be smoother than CM, AOKP, MIUI.. ?! But, as soon as i touch a soft key the action is INSTANTLY executed, when i tap on a settings menu it's INSTANTLY opened! How can it be?! I really can't understand :D :D .

Very powerful :good: :good:. I believe now that AOSP based ROMs are the best, I really now believe on it :good:.

One reason that can make me back to CM/AOKP: FEATURES! that's it. Performance: ALL is in AOSP/StrawBerry...

BTW: knzo, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ;) And please keep updating that awesome ROM ;), thank you for sharing it :)
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
Nexus S will not have 4.2. r jnwqeriqewodsa fwnjkc
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
What? Where did you hear/read that? :o

EDIT: found it
[Nexus S Android Development] Zunex95:
atleast not officially. maybe 4.1 drivers and stuff will work on 4.2 roms. If a ZTE Blade can run jelly bean with 1 or 2 bugs then our Nexus S will handle 4.2 as well. only question is.. what will not work? :angel:
[Nexus S Android Development] aladin6:
Are you sure? From where did you retrieve that information ?
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
The only thing needed for our nexus is 3.4 kernel port. And i think everything other would work right.
[Nexus S Android Development] stojshic:
I still find myself amused at how people think bloated CM, AOKP and mostly MIUI can be faster than AOSP based Roms? C'mon guys, you either want customization (bloat) or speed... CM and AOKP might be good for newcomers that are all about customization (I know, I were there), but, after using your phone for a while, you'll find that it's all bloat, and that AOSP based roms (strawberry, rasbean, clean aosp) have everything you need...
[Nexus S Android Development] Zunex95:
I saw somewhere that the Galaxy Nexus uses the same kernel on 4.2 and 4.1 (3.0.31 I think).

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totally agree with you. I'm very happy with my phone (that doesn't mean I wouldn't accept a bugless 4.2 :p) even without lock screen weather and other stuff. the only thing I need is volume rocker music contols :laugh:
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
Yeah, i know. Maybe 3.4 has some better stuff? Dunno, just guessing. I saw hilbeast(dev from galaxy 3 forum) is trying to port 3.4 kernel to that little phone because it means better performance and posibility for more development(for example porting Jelly bean to that device with all drivers so it would work properly)
[Nexus S Android Development] aladin6:
We will never have AOSP on our beloved device, StrawBerry experience will never be found on 4.2 builds :(

F***K Google!
[Nexus S Android Development] Solarian:
Has anyone figured out a working way to un-theme this ROM? I love how it runs, but I think the theme is butt-ugly.
[Nexus S Android Development] polobunny:
Theme is built in rasbean (source), so unless you remove the inbuilt theming, you'll have to stick with it.
[Nexus S Android Development] gfinockio:
Can you flash new icons at all? I hate that smug little smiling messaging app icon...
[Nexus S Android Development] aladin6:
There is voodoo color implemented in the stock kernel, no ? Colours are perfect.
[Nexus S Android Development] madd0g:
@knzo: will you give it a go for 4.2 Vanilla if it's possible ?
[Nexus S Android Development] :
It's a rough formula. But getting the CPU and to it's lowest state will save power when there's nothing to do. Anyway, the formula and experimental data roughly matched up.
[Nexus S Android Development] msiviter:
24 hours in and so far no FCs and it runs smoothly and as fast as I remember it can. It maybe just the result of the fresh boot but the cm10 nighties seemed to grind to a halt and then FC about 5 times daily (tried without oc and different kernels).

So far so good. Thanks.
[Nexus S Android Development] gleenfield97:
recently switched from blackbean to this rom. kinda miss the CM10 messaging, specifically the popup feature. I can't seem to install it (FC when launch). Perhaps the problem is because the app is only for CM rom. Anyone successfully install it? Or is there any plan of implementing it into this rom?
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
knzo, i found problem why i didnt have clear all button in notification bar. its because of my clock format. its 13:25, and not 1:25. so, i would like to ask you, would you fix this? or if not, can you tell me where is located xml for notification bar clock. you only need to move it like 1.0dpi (i think) to the left,
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
Man, I have 14:44 right now and I have the clear all button.
[Nexus S Android Development] ranadroid:
Does this ROM has volume wake?? If so how do I enable it
[Nexus S Android Development] stojshic:
Yes it has it. Go to settings -> display, and there you have Volume rocker wake
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
As for the 4.2 requests, I still don't know whether I'll keep Nexus S or buy Nexus 4. Even though I have a friendly relationship with LG devices I'm a bit afraid of the glass in the back (I don't like touching polished flat materials, needs to be textured - true story, it's a manifestation of OCD) and the SoC thermal throttling is also discouraging. However, if I stick with Nexus S I'll make sure to bring 4.2 (perhaps even Strawberry) to our device. Give me a few days to decide though.
[Nexus S Android Development] polobunny:
Might simply be a language issue. I know I have found a few issues because of the locale even in CM nightlies/RC/stable because I'm using French, and the language is still more supported than many other.

Alen, do you use Croatian?

Edit: knzo, just don't throw your phone at the water like simms. mwahaha
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
yeah, i use croatian. but i dont have that problem in cm, nor in rasbeanjelly, nor any other rom. its only present here in strawberry. i'll post screenshots later tonight.
[Nexus S Android Development] polobunny:
Might be worth trying to switch to English US to test if it's locale related. Surprising that the glitch/bug/whatever is only present in Strawberry and not Rasbeanjelly though.
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
tried and its working on english. so, yeah. its my language. that's said, knzo would need to modifie something. :D
[Nexus S Android Development] aladin6:
Come on knzo you'll not leave us. Take the right decision and keep your beloved Nexus S and your money ;). Show Google that Nexus S can perfectly handle 4.2 :P .
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
It's working in rbj? But I didn't touch anything related to that. :<
[Nexus S Android Development] madd0g:
Looks like the binaries and kernel can be used from 4.1.2 for the 4.2 compilation.
[Nexus S Android Development] polobunny:
Ha! Kinda gotten used to blaming weird little graphical bugs and such on the language, since I use French. It's a shame though.

You filthy liar! :p
[Nexus S Android Development] ranadroid:
Thanks a lot brotha!
[Nexus S Android Development] stojshic:
Just tried changing my language to Croatian, on RasBean, and can confirm that there's NO clear all button
[Nexus S Android Development] alen1901:
yeah its working there, i will try again and report. maybe this months name is too long. :D
[Nexus S Android Development] polobunny:
If that's the case you're gonna have a bad time, cause isn't December longer? :p

Edit: Well since stojshic tried right then in rbj, I guess it's not your fault. You sure about croatian working right in rbj Alen?
[Nexus S Android Development] ScOULaris:
So I popped my custom ROM cherry with CM10 only recently, and I have been loving it so far. It doesn't have as many options to tweak like in AOKP, but I went with CM10 because I always hear about its stability and speed.

Now I'm thinking about trying out Strawberry, and I have a few questions:

Is it noticeably snappier than CM? CM10 with the Marmite kernel already seems very smooth on my Nexus S, so would I notice a difference with this ROM?

Does it have Quick Toggles in the notification bar?

What notable features of CM and AOKP are absent in this?
[Nexus S Android Development] polobunny:
-Think of CM10 as the grand daddy of custom roms. It has good customization, but it's not exactly the snappiest. Usually the closer you get to AOSP, the quickest it is. With bloat comes slowdowns.

-It has.

-Some features. Most not being notable but gimmicky, knzo will tell you.

ALSO WRATH OF KNZO TIEM

Should have called the rom Metal Dragon Overlord instead man. And changed the default background to a dragon in the middle of a lava pit or something.
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
We all know that you love it when I zerk them. If I take this thing to 4.2 I may indeed change the name to that.
[Nexus S Android Development] ScOULaris:
Thanks for being a douchebag! :laugh::good:

But seriously, they were simple questions that people ask all the time before flashing a new ROM. No need to be a **** about it.
[Nexus S Android Development] nibla101:
Oh wow. LMAO.
[Nexus S Android Development] ScOULaris:
I'm at work at the moment, but I might flash it later tonight.
[Nexus S Android Development] dinuvali:
Hey Knzo, what sort of challenge would you accept at this point in your life that if you lost, you'd consider implementing BLX into the stock kernel? (my own ocd)
[Nexus S Android Development] polobunny:
I died a bit. XD

Good laugh knzo. Me love you long time.
[Nexus S Android Development] knzo:
Is that obsession already resistant against reasoning?

Because I can either tell you why you don't need BLX or I can build you a version with it later tonight, I probably take the same amount of time.
[Nexus S Android Development] aladin6:
Ah knzo!!, i was searching for Strawberry topic and can't found it :D! I noticed then that you changed topic's title.

I can now be sure that you'll keep updating the ROM, and 4.2 soon ;). No N4 :D
[Nexus S Android Development] polobunny:
You can trickle charge to reach 100 if that's what your issue is. Just charge with the screen on.