yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Thom4s:
Increase in I/O performance is nice but if there are hardware limitiations there's just so much they can do. In software however, they can change the priorities to create a much smoother experience. Whenever I have ANR's i just have to click 'wait' and the app just works and is responsive. They should just give priority to the app running in focus.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
That would suck. Cant believe they wont fix this issue^^
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] brantje:
Typical A(s)(n)us
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
not sure if its asus or nvidia fault...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] alorane:
Any tf300 owner in Canada got jb yet?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sputnik767:
Since it doesn't look like the Nexus 7 has these issues, I'd say Asus is at fault.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] valentinrascu:
This tablet is beta tablet. I will sel this on ebay, and f*****u asus. The emmc is verry old production so is hardware problem.

Inviato dal mio Transformer Prime TF201 con Tapatalk 2
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
As far as I know we have a slightly different chip than the n7 and the gpu drivers come from nvidia. I'm not saying it's nvidia fault, it's just a possibility ;)

Btw let's judge the new jb firmware once we had it on our primes for a week.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sputnik767:
That true, but it doesn't change the facts that we already know. And those are: the TF201 is running on an extremely outdated kernel, and while the chip is slightly different, it is not so different as to cause such a drastic difference in performance. From what it seems to me, Nvidia released a solid chip and Asus slapped together an awful kernel to run it all. I guess my point is, there is nothing inherently wrong with the Tegra 3 SoC, the problem lies squarely with what Asus did with it.

---------- Post added at 02:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:06 AM ----------

I don't think this is true, and I have never seen any evidence to corroborate this statement. I have seen some data posted on the emmc chips, and while they are not the fastest chips out there, they are not so bad as to cause such horrible IO speeds. I ran the same Sqlite benchmark on my original HTC Evo, and it scored in line with the more modern devices, and much better than my Prime. I can almost guarantee you that Asus is not sourcing chips older than the 3 year old Evo. I am betting that if Asus releases a decent kernel with the JB build of the OS, you will see benchmark scores and performance improve considerably.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xxgmon3yxx:
best thing u can do! you have to sell it Asus style! Just have to make the buyer believe they are getting a top of the line tablet they are still believers out there you just have to get lucky and find one!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] qwertylesh:
JB is great on my Nexus..

Since it's been confirmed that the screen tearing and generally bad stability carries over from ics .21+ to the JB build for the Prime, I will not be bothering with the update... especially given that ASUS has removed so many of the older firmwares from their site..

I wonder if they removed that routine that got introduced that caused SOD for all those tf201s..

oh well, couldn't really care anymore, my tablets great, locked to .15 (no sod's or screen tares since downgrading with wolfs guide FWIW)

nice work asus
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wifesabitch:
It's confirmed already? haha
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
Huh? Where has this been confirmed?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GS_Dan:
He knows a guy who fought in 'nam alongside one of the developers. Or something.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] qwertylesh:
my names John titor, I'm from the future
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sahilcc7:
So with jellybean, is the tablet just as smooth as the iPad? What about web browsing - it's just not the same experience as the ipad's smoothness especially on heavy sites like 'The Verge'.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wifesabitch:
I've never owned an iPad but I heard you can't even download a file on their browser. There is no flash either, probably can't even request a desktop site. Browsing sounds horrible on the iPad and it being just a little bit "smoother" doesn't really make up for the lack of features.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
Seriously? Did you come here to talk up the iPad? Following that inflammatory comment I snatched the iPad out of my toddlers hands and headed off to the verge for a shootout with my prime running baked ROM. Yes the iPad smoked the chrome browser in smoothness, but wait, the stock browser beat the iPad to every fully loaded page and scrolled and zoomed the iPad to death. I tossed it back to the toddler and he went back to sesame street.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sputnik767:
All of that is true, but you forgot one thing: you can't browse on the Prime for 5 mins w/o getting n ANR or random crash to home screen. So while browsing on the ipad may be "horrible," at least it works. Features are great, but usability is king. And unfortunately, that's why the ipad is king in the tablet category.

---------- Post added at 04:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:37 AM ----------

To be perfectly candid, people who buy the ipad are sacrificing features for smoothness and ease of use. If that's most important to you, go right now and buy the ipad 3. I guarantee you will be happy. The ipad is unmatched in those aspects, and will probably continue to be. I'm on a JB nightly ROM with the SD Card mod, and the verge loads up and performs just fine, and is smooth as far as I'm concerned. I can't speak for the ipad, but it works fine on the unofficial JB builds. I will sacrifice a bit of smoothness for more features.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sorceror171:
As I understand it, the unofficial builds, the ROMs, are all still using the old Linux kernel. But the official JB ROM from Asus will have a 3.1.x kernel, and hence updated flash drivers among other things. (Of course, the ROM makers will immediately co-opt that kernel for their builds..)

If I'm misinformed, let me know, but so far as I can tell there's no way to 'confirm' anything about the upcoming JB ROM's performance...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wifesabitch:
Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones then because I don't get crashes nearly that often (use Firefox or Dolphin, not stock), and if I do both browsers get me where I was (opens tabs from last time) within seconds.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sorceror171:
I'm afraid I go quite a bit longer than five minutes between ANR (maybe two an hour) and I'm not sure the browser's ever done a 'random crash to home screen'. Maybe it's the sites I visit or what, but browsing on the Prime has actually been pretty nice. The only limitation that bugs me is that you can't have a movie or video running in another tab, and listen to it while you browse a different tab. But that's hardly limited to the Prime...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ready2Mosh:
You can, you need overskreen browser, though it will take some real estate on your screen while its runnig.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] turdbogls:
here is my impressions of the JB update for the tf300T.

prior to running JB, i was on stock firmware 4.0.3 with a tweaked build.prop file and some bloatware frozen. running Apex launcher.

after JB and stock Build.prop, i would say it is right on target or maybe even a little smoother than tweaked ICS was.

apps open quicker with very nice and smooth animations

games seem to run just as good if not better

the I/O issues are still there...however they are MUCH better than before. haven't had an "not responding" message since the install.

FLASH still works on the browser

with SuperSU installed and backed up with OTA root keeper, i kept root (other had issues with superuser app)

chrome browser seems a bit smoother in scrolling and zooming (still not up to ipad smoothness, but the advantages of android browsing > a slight bump in smoothness.

video play back is the same

there is a screen saver feature now that plays a slideshow from the gallery

disable smart screen dim feature

new powersave menu

no screen tearing...but i didn't have that on ICS either.

if you want to know anything else. let me know.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sputnik767:
Two an hour is not acceptable. Since when is it ok to pay so much money for a tablet that crashes multiple times an hour. I am sorry, but I do not accept mediocrity when I paid for a premium device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SolInvictus:
Ffs, does every transformer prime thread eventually derail into an 'omg I h8 my tfp Asus sucks boohoo' thread?

I've been running my tfp since may or so, and whilst the anr messages were a nuisance, with a simple rooting, atp tweak, and browser to ram, I haven't even seen an anr in god knows how long. I haven't even unlocked, so I'm quite excited to see the performance increase that jb will provide. I do get the screen tearing thing (if by that you mean the strange artefacts down the left side that is fixed by rebooting). Admittedly, they are the reason I've held off unlocking, in case they are the sign of an impending hardware failure looming.

Sure, this device is expensive, and yeah it has its problems, but off the top of my head, I can't think of a single device that doesn't. I for one am happy with my luxury feeling, quad core toting tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rebelwithoutacause:
I think the point is that Prime users shouldn't have to root their devices and apply non-ASUS approved mods in order for the device to function properly or to address issues that ASUS themselves should have fixed by now.

Band-aid solutions in the end won't leave a great impression on people that were led to believe by ASUS that the Prime would be a high-end performing tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] seeknom:
To make matters worse for users who can't get refunds, if US developers are able to get refunds for their Primes (which I've already seen evidence of), then they might abandon the Prime development-wise.

In my opinion, the only thing that's been making my device bearable the last little while has been custom roms. If all the devs leave us for the Initinity, we could really be stuck with lemons.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Well... Prime development was below par to being with.....

As for those who traded in for Infinity... well... they traded their Infinity as well for something else... or some, didn't even bother getting Infinity..

Infinity isn't selling that well either...thus, I don't expect a flourishing dev. scene for that as well....

Most are either purchasing Nexus 7, new iPad, or Galaxy Note 10.1... or just waiting for something else in the future (such as Win 8 tablets or the rumored 11in. tablet from Samsung)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
Its kind of sickening to watch that thread of people returning primes. Some big names. Also sickening about it is the methods and rationales being used by people who are basically committing or encouraging fraud against best buy. And by far the worst thing is the vulturous naysayers who constantly circle the general threads looking to complain to anybody who will listen.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SolInvictus:
Well I certainly won't be returning my prime anytime soon, I love it far too much. Shame I don't know anything about android development, or I'd chip into the custom ROM scene myself.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sputnik767:
Well, I wasted my money on this turd, and I feel I do people a service if I can discourage them from doing the same.All of my complains are valid based on my experiences, and they mirror the experiences of others.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
You really don't feel like there are enough complaints here? Yours will put it over the top? Venting to people that you don't want help from is whining. Babies do that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sputnik767:
Call it (me) what you will, I didn't exactly come here to seek your approval or anyone else's. And I don't particularly care about the number of complaints, nor do I have time or desire to read every thread. I post my opinion where I feel it's relevant and you are free to ignore me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vonslydog:
This is what's wrong with the internet. People post when the don't "care about the number of complaints," which shows no consideration for, and makes things worse for, the majority of users. They say they don't "have time or desire to read every thread," when a simple search, or in the case of the TFP just scanning the thread titles on the first page, is FULL of complaint threads. I fail to understand how someone posting complaints about bad experiences with the prime is "relevant" in a thread titled "TF300 gets JB Update." It isn't. The only reason to do it is for people to make themselves feel better about a purchase they regret. If you regret your purchase, that's fine. If you want to make your feelings know, have at it. There are plenty of threads for that. No reason to turn EVERY thread into a "Prime sucks" thread.

edit: Apologies for not just ignoring you.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] YoMarK:
And what's that nonsense about prime development? It was one of the first to have cm9/ics from source running. It's one of the first to have cm10/jb from source running fully functional and stable. It's one of 2 or 3 tablets that has official cm10 nightlies running. I don't need no 30 stock based ROM's where the differences are in 2 or 3 bloatware apk's or in a build.prop edit. Just a few is more then enough, weve got some excellent ones right now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SolInvictus:
Hit the nail on the head. I'm getting sick of starting to read an information or development thread about the prime, only to have it untimely derail into a I hate my prime thread without fail. I understand people wanting to share their experiences, but its not helping fix the problem, its just making it worse for those of us who ARE trying to get on with life and get our devices to a satisfactory level. At the end of the day, most of us are here on this forum because we like to tinker and push our devices beyond their stock limit. I hated sense on my desire s when I got it, but I didn't complain about having to break my warranty to get rid of it, I just did it. This may be slightly different in that the prime is underperforming before unlock and not just preference in how the phone looks, but the principle is still very similar if not the same. You're on the forum to either tinker, find out the latest development info, or to develop, not whine and moan about it. Makes it difficult and pointless searching threads for answers when most of a thread is just a *****fest.

Some people will just never be happy.

On topic however, is it not possible to use the kernel 3 sources for the tf300 on the tf201? Or not directly, but would they not help kernel 3 development?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tricky547:
Without being totally sure or knowing any of the actual technicalities about the screen tearing, I'm going to go ahead and say that I think it's a problem with running the screen at maximum brightness, both with and without Super IPS+ enabled.

I got it before too, and I've found that turning brightness down a bit (I have mine around 75-80-ish%) eliminates that issue - I haven't seen any tearing since I stopped running it constantly at 100% brightness.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, though ! This is just my experience with the whole screen tearing issue on the TF201.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SolInvictus:
Not sure about this one. I tend to run my brightness on auto, but because I can't replicate the bug, its hard to say the circumstances involved. You may be right, and when the screen goes wrong, the auto brightness has gone to 100%.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ThiaiZ:
Actually mate I see it on a positive way. This threat was a hell when I first bought my Prime an started to hang here, but with all those people away the thread is becoming much cleaner and I hope all those people coming here just to complain will get an exchange for whatever so product and start to complain in that proucts thread instead.Not everybody have a problematic Prime, it is actually a very small porcentage.

I am pretty sure JB will make my Prime even better when it is out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] SolInvictus:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=30589032

Thought this thread was relevant to your post. Perhaps that exchanging thread was both negative and positive. People come onto a modding and development forum, whinge about their purchase, exchange it, then miss the modding and development side of their device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sorceror171:
"Pause" is not equal to "crash". Very different, in point of fact.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
I agree, I said as much here. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=29787265&postcount=81

It still stings when you see people leaving that have really contributed some of the best things. but I guess time marches on for development on any device (except the hd2) and people move on.

God help the poor souls who got a device with little to no dev support.

By the way, been meaning to try out your rom on my lg thrill. thanks for that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sputnik767:
Sorry, but I fail to see how it makes anything worse for anybody else. I never posted anything that was untrue. Let me explain something to you; people are not leaving this tablet in droves because of the complaints. People are leaving this tablet because it is garbage wrapped in a pretty shell. Nothing that I or anyone else says that is either positive or negative will change that. And I appreciate the devs who try to fix things, but unfortunately the prime is either flawed from the beginning or we need asus to actually implement the actual fixes. I've tried every mod and hack posted here, and the only one that worked somewhat is the SD card hack. I'm running it now and it works. But I should not have to resort such things on a premium device. So yes, you are right, I absolutely regret my purchase and I had to void my warranty to get it working.

As far as the relevance, my post in this thread was either replying to or agreeing with another person. It is in the general section, and is relevant. So go ahead and blame the naysayers for whatever you feel is wrong here, but in the end it doesn't change a thing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
It's quite simple really

XDA is a development community for people who know how to or want to modify their electronic toys to suit their needs. If you are here because your toy sucks and you want to make it suck less or not at all you are in the right place. If you are here to discourage the purchase of things that suck, you are too late. you should have posted a review on amazon or cnet. All other rants about manufacturers, customer service, or fist pounding to demand results are just rude to everybody else here. I am sure your mamma taught you better.

---------- Post added at 09:27 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:25 AM ----------

which rom are you using with the I\O boost?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sputnik767:
I'm running CM10 without cherrypicks off of a Samsung Class 10 SD card. It works very well compared to before, and I have not had any crashes in the browser. If you are up for it, I would recommend it, as it is the only mod that "resolves" the Prime's IO issues. I have not had good experiences with the EOS build, mainly due to very slow wifi. I don't know if others have experienced these issues, but it is very slow for me.

My point is simple: I paid a lot of money for 3 premium devices, my Macbook Pro, my Samsung Galaxy S II phone, and the TF201. The first 2 devices were just about perfect out of the box, and the Prime is far from it. I wouldn't buy a BMW if it delivered the driving dynamics of a Corolla, and I would not pay a premium price for a quad-core device that performs worse than my SGS II dual-core phone. Everything has it's place in the market, and the price point should reflect that. Yes, there are now workarounds that make it acceptable, but it's not how these things are supposed to work. You wouldn't go out and spend $50k on a BMW just to say "ok, it runs so I'm fine with it." No, you spend the extra money to get something special in return. This is no different, and this is precisely why I'm unhappy with it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ratman6161:
It makes it worse because it's hijacking the thread with an unrelated discussion. Its gotten so you can't have any sort of discussion here without it getting hijacked by someone wanting to turn it into a "Prime Sucks" thread. Why even bother? Why don't those who hate it so much just concede defeat and sell it? They all seem to be saying that its crap that can't be fixed with a software update and if thats the case why even bother talking about it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sputnik767:
I have never seen such a statement and I wouldn't believe it if I saw it. The prime may not have the fastest memory out there, but it is far from the worse. The specs that were posted make it seem like its decent, and certainly capable of much better performance than we're seeing. We know for a fact that the prime runs on an old kernel, and the kernel is full of garbage code. The prime may never run as well as it theoretically should, but there is a ton of room for improvement. The problem is, no dev can work with it until Asus releases a proper kernel that can be worked with. That's why I'm talking about it. The prime should be able to do much better, if Asus ever gets around to it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fordwolden:
I have paid alot of money for 3 devices as well, Prime, Nexus 7 and SGS III. The Prime is my favourite by far. The SGS III is a hypedup piece of crap which I'm trying to get rid of, the glass just suddenly cracked out of nowhere. My beloved HTC DHD looks like it's been through a woodchipper and still works perfectly with a prestine screen. Alot of people saying it's good so the people who doesn't know better just repeat. The same works the other way around.

It's all about flavour, and my Prime is sweet.
[General Questions and Answers] technogeek sid:
Coz i don't see any difference...
[General Questions and Answers] NEXUSBOY:
i had experienced a better image quality through bravia engine and beats audio.try to adjust the equalizer in music player while playing n beats audio.u will fel the difference
[General Questions and Answers] obscuresword:
I don't know about the bravia engine, but I have the beats hack on my GP 4.0 and all it really does is increase the overall output (db) of the audio. But you have to turn it on first to actually hear how much louder and clearer it is.
[General Questions and Answers] winomat:
you definitely hear the difference when you use beats audio...but same as obscuresword said..i cant say it for the bravia..
[General Questions and Answers] MACHETE!:
I've flashed the Bravia Engine from here http://xxxpachaxxx.kleinrealms.com/?p=52 on my EVO 4G (still hangin' on) and don't really see a difference, although others have said they have. YMMV I guess...
[General Questions and Answers] drewniany92:
It depends probably on ROM which you have installed. When i had normal CM7 without beats audio hack included soud was normal, and when i installed this hack, sound was also normal. But when I installed ICS style by JM (based on CM 7) and there was audio beats included, sound is perfect (: especially on headphones (: give a try on other roms and you should see difference (:
[General Questions and Answers] TaoJay:
I'm not sold on the bravia engine either, but beats can make a difference....
[General Questions and Answers] vivek_bhoj:
Never used bravia engine but beats makes a lot of difference

I use sound enhancer on my hox with xloud engine, sony walkman player and some sampling
[General Questions and Answers] technogeek sid:
Yeah... I 2 haven't felt any change :(

LGE-p500