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[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Having come to the end of two years with my desire I'm due an upgrade. I'm holding on for a phone coming out later this year. Meanwhile I decided to be adventurous and change my one and only rom that has served me so well, miuxj. I check out Evervolv 3.0.3.p7 Jellybean that is "pre-beta" and I kid you not.... I have a new phone. It is an awesome rom. I am actually shocked and pleasantly surprised that the end is better than the beginning! Makes hanging on to my desire sweeter while this rom is being developed. These developers are like artists at work, thankyou guys!
[Desire General] GeoMW:
Same experience with CronMod CM7/AOSP

I had official gingerbread ROM for two years - it was stable, quick enough... well, I was almost happy with that.

Of course, with decreasing free memory I started to think about custom ROM.

And I'll tell you one thing... IT'S AMAZING :D

I fell for CronMod-bravo (CM7/AOSP), with ICS theme for ADW launcher and it looks like a brand new phone, with lockscreen gestures and mods, customizable row and column counts (now I've got 5x5 icon grid on screen) and lots more... and lots of free memory! I'm using Sandisk Class 10 microSD card, with 1.5GB EXT3 partition... and installing every app I had to uninstall before because of low memory :)

Now I'm looking forward to stable ICS release, Sandvold or Spazedog... whatever comes first :D
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Forget ics... Jellybean leaves it in the dust!
[Desire General] jmcclue:
Yh because JB "pre-alpha" is rock solid and stable aint it :sly: lol

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[Desire General] nlooooo:
I've never understood all this thoughts...

:banghead:

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[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
I wasn't expecting much from Jellybean pre-alpha 7 as it's not even beta, but it's fast and at this point I'm using everything without hitches. In fact it's flipping brilliant!
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
It's snappy with a capital S! Don't scoff until you've tried!
[Desire General] jmcclue:
Have tried it..dont like it and i like a phone to work 100% not 70% n thats me being nice.. u want to see snappy with a capital S, download mildwild oxygen or OxyZM both oxygen based and then ul see snappy with capital S

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[Desire General] mmhs:
The same thing happen to me! I've got my Desire for 2 years now and got an offer for a new phone.

So i made an decision to install an new Rom on my phone instead. Installed MokeeOS and right now i'm as happy as having an new phone!

We dont need new phone's like all consumers do, just install an new Rom ;)
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
70 %? Incorrect installation most probably, you have to follow instructions. Works brilliantly here, and if they can squeeze any more out of it, happy days!
[Desire General] jmcclue:
Hahaha ok 73%. Go read whats working and not working. Out of 44 there is 10 things not working or sometimes work r can be improved.

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[Desire General] erklat:
I'd say taunts would be more appropriate here?
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Never thought we'd ever get a taste of Jellybean. Enjoy your Icecream before it melts. ^^
[Desire General] Sheiji:
Haha, the wildmild series is impressive, but the cm branch leaves the oxygens in the dust with the right customisations :P

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[Desire General] unometooo:
I haven't tried jelly bean yet, I've been using Lords ice cold sandwich and been pretty happy with it. I haven't even looked into jelly bean yet, maybe it's time I take a look at it with your raving reviews

Sent from my Inspire 4G Ice Cold Sandwich
[Desire General] jmcclue:
Hahaha

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[Desire General] erklat:
All kinds of FC's

Nonworking camera, video playback with haxxxezz

3G connection issues

soft reboots

reboots when you answer a call with alternative lockscreen from EVT

project butter in ur wet dreams

enough?

Not to mention what jmcclue here said. Plus the environment where you are not supposed to post any bugs, non workings etc where that

seriously hinders development. I know devs these days for sure know what are the intelectual capacities of ppl drooling all over things which convert HTC Desire to HTC 0,7 Desire, but Halls of shame etc. Really? I don't remember we were treated that way by Leedroid, Neophyte, Sibere, Droidzone, melethorn or any other ol sk00l developer here which actually improved your phones functionality when they delivered. And then there were morons among their quorum, but neither of them deleted their account here iirc because of that.

You are not supposed to stop using waht you want on your phones. U r supposed to stop suggesting things even yourselves don't know what works and what does not to other people as daily drivers.
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
I'm no expert. I've only ever tried 2 roms on my phone, miui xj - a work of art in my opinion, and the Jellybean pre-alpha p7 which to me is a serious upgrade in speed and smoothness.
[Desire General] Mato_K:
I changed the ROM after one year and now (after two years) its time to change hboot from stock to cm7r2 :)
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
So funny, thankyou!
[Desire General] Badger48:
JB is fun but definitely should not be recommended as a daily. Lots of FCs still and camera/video issues. All the ICS versions are pretty much daily now though and are pretty damn cool!!
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
I'm amazed I've not had one fc. Flash not working on jb... ? Has to be a way around that?
[Desire General] Badger48:
Lucky! Wish I had the same experience with it. You using dk's or nikez's?
[Desire General] xagility:
Considering the version he stated, it's the Nikez one.
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Yes it's Mr Nikez' build. I don't like the perma google search bar at the top....maybe that can be turned off?...or they make it black in colour...or I get to love it. Whats's the flash solution for JB?
[Desire General] nlooooo:
The solution for all JB and ICS problems is to install GB...

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[Desire General] xagility:
Press and hold the google search bar and move it into the trash can.
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Tried that thanks, but It's fixed and won't move.
[Desire General] paolo-red1:
So I quote the guys above and I suggest you to try mildwild based oxygen. Best rom for daily use, no bugs, fastest. Btw I support JB devs like drewis and nikez. They are doing free and great work on old devices.

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For the search bar I suppose there will be an option in ev tools to remove it, like in ics.
[Desire General] Badger48:
Not sure which launcher, you're using but did you check in Settings - Launcher - Home screen and see if there is an option for Persistent Search Bar?
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
There are no launcher settings to change.
[Desire General] bortak:
I wouldn't hold your breath
[Desire General] ProiMooWay:
nie wiem jak mam ci pomoc
[Desire General] bortak:
English only forum mate.

Translation:
[Desire General] falconyx:
Ok, here are my humble thoughts on this topic. While I am very happy and respect the devs who make ICS/JB roms (I've tried all of the current available roms, be it GB/ICS or JB, with maybe a few exceptions since I don't bother with sense roms anymore, thuogh I have tried alot of them too..) I do have to be honest with myself - they are far from what a reasonable person would call 'daily drivers'. Reboots, not working camera, connection issues, LAG (seriously they cannot compare to snappy Oxygen roms, I'm looking at Mildwild particularly), FC, USB tethering not working, the list goes on.. So let's face it - if you want a rock solid, fast and stable rom for your daily driver it would be hands down a GB rom. Still, when at work mostly, I will try every new release just to see from my perspective how things are progressing with a certain rom. Nowadays I almost never rely on comments in the rom thread, since I feel like those are very subjective and do not match my opinion - especially when it is about stability and smoothnes/snappiness...

Once again I would like to point out that I have huge respect to the devs working on ICS/JB roms, even though the hall of shame kind of stuff is a bit on the cocky/elitist side - I mean come on, we all get that this is a serious board, but some fun and even retarded posts always make for a good laugh, I feel like people take this stuff way too serious sometimes... Not like we are discussing nuclear physics or something.. It is goddamn phones that we mostly have fun with :cowboy:

P.S. One note regarding CM roms being better than Oxygen - while there are slightly more options for customization, I can certainly say that Oxygen ist faster and for me even more stable, especially when it comes to GPS! I get fixes within 5-10 sec. even with internal gps only, not to mention if I use A-GPS etc..I've always had bad experience with GPS on CM based roms and had it sometimes really get on my nerves - for example when going for a jog with my buddies and having them to wait while I get GPS fix (yes, even with A-GPS!) while their stock devices got fix like 2 minutes ago at least...Seriously, I use GPS based apps alot and I can guarantee that it works better on Oxygen. And now that we have offline caching it becomes even more valuable for me, can't wait to try it out in October when I will be in Budapest for a few days. Then again, I guess alot of folks don't use GPS based apps so much and would prefer a bit more customization, which of course is perfectly fine and reasonable - to each their own :highfive:
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Thank you for your constructive and helpful post.

I can only say that my limited experience with roms can only be likened to going a restaurant to have a meal.

Thankfully in my case, two very good but different restaurants, where the chefs had carefully prepared excellent cordon bleu meals, both of which satisfied my needs.

I can happily say after my latest joyful culinary experience, I have not suffered indigestion. To be fair I sneaked into the kitchen of the last restaurant and tasted the food before it was fully cooked, but it was pretty good.

So I'm relating my experience and recommending these restaurants to friends, just as many do here.

I am saddened though to hear some have become constipated.

Sincerely,

Tuffcheez
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
P.S. May I add that top chefs, like artists, are highly strung people, and must be given slack and room to produce their masterpieces.
[Desire General] LaidbackNikez:
Project butter in your wet dreams - yeah. It's pretty simple, the kernel which the Desire runs on does not support VSync.

All kinds of Hacks? - Yeah. But define a "hack". HTC are big fans of these hack's themselves.

Soft Reboots - ??

reboots when you answer a call with alternative lockscreen from EVT - WOW. You're taking a piss here aren't ya.

I am pretty aware of what works and what doesnt. As it's a PRE-ALPHA stage I dont need input. Once we move up the chain to Alpha/Beta sure, I probably wont know every single bug. If I'd allow bug reports I would get about 100 per day regarding Camera/Video Playback. It consumes MY time.

The Hall Of Shame was implemented because people failed to read and think - It was pretty effective as it made people READ AND THINK.

And for the rest, wow, you really are a narrow-minded <insert curse>. The difference between us at Evervolv and those you just listed is that they stood still at Eclair/Froyo/Gingerbread. I could probably take 3-6 steps back to GB and optimize it or whatever. We try to keep this train moving.
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Don't upset the chef please! :D
[Desire General] nlooooo:
There's a quite big difference between train moving 50km/h and running a TGV...

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[Desire General] gie62001:
@Nikez - words of wisdom. And I bet majority of community is grateful for what you guys do at Evervolv. I myself dropped sense since ICS first came and never looked back at sense apart from monthly calendar widget which I still could not find replacement for and search everywhere.

Keep up good work and people do like to experience new stuff will always be grateful for your work and the ones who like to live in the past but stable past let them be :)
[Desire General] LaidbackNikez:
Sure. But we're the TGV. Don't get your point.
[Desire General] erklat:
Or even better - derailed one on the wrong track.

Your people don't read, and especially don't think. Don't take our beef from them, to yourself. You do what you do, it is them asking for support for alpha/beta software

and constantly recommending it as daily that we have quarrels with.
[Desire General] LaidbackNikez:
Well *****ing about my work in a public forum isn't exactly helping me not taking your "beef with them".
[Desire General] Sheiji:
Well I agree with you on the speed but the thing is its all about what you do with your phone.

CM or Oxygen, its all about your likes and dislikes. As you find oxygen awesome with GPS lock and speed I do too, but I always end up back on the CM because my phone likes it for intensive gaming better than oxygen, and that's what I use because I play and develop ICS apps on it. In this case ,I'm not looking at speed but at stability, and , yes, customization.

As I said its all about likes and dislikes, and rom capability obviously.

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[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Wish people actually read what I originally posted and take it in the spirit it was intended. Now if people still have problems may I offer you some free laxative? :D
[Desire General] nlooooo:
As I see it nobody is *****ing about your work, we all just express our oppinion, that's why this is called a PUBLIC FORUM...

And saying that talking bad about your work and not praising it interupts you in your work just speaks about how mature you might be.

Just do your job the best you can and show what you can do, and be awailable for critics. Don't be like a bi**hy little girl that showed on forum, collected money to buy a phone promising miracles and at the end ran away in tears...

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[Desire General] LaidbackNikez:
I've never asked anyone to praise my work - I've only simply asked people not to comment about the bugs (as I already wrote, I know about. Hence the PRE-ALPHA). My maturity? Wow, you really must have some issues.

I've already delivered quite much, and I have no issues with accepting bugs or feedback on my ICS rom as it's out of pre-alpha stage and I don't know all of the bugs. First off, regarding that phone - I don't use it as a daily phone, I only do tests on it. As I said I could manage without a phone but having it would speed up the process. I am quite happy running my Sensation XE.

You guys probably should get laid, get a prescription on some "happy pills" and enjoy life instead of being the whiny bit**'s you are.
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Sooo funny! You pay money for this kind of entertainment!
[Desire General] x3m.zone:
Same here

I use MIUI Android + GoLauncher. Best combination ever!

Here a demo :)
[Desire General] nlooooo:
I told that the maturity is the problem

First of all, I don't know why you found yourself in my words about phone, I was talking about some other guy (and we all know who he is), cause I agree you contributed a lot and your work is appreciated. You have to accept that everybody will continue to discuss about the bugs in, not only yours, but in all roms that can be found here, and not to tell you about them but to find a solution and share experience.

I'm not disrespecting your work, cause I appreciate every effort to make our device running better and more useful. I just find some people annoying running around and talking that without ICS roms we don't have our phones and that our phones didn't even work without it. That's the way how all other developers that worked hard on FroYo and GB are disrespected, saying that their work has no worth.

And for the end STOP INSULTING people here on the forum cause nobody insulted you, as I'm pretty sure that it's forbidden to do that.

PS: All ICS developers, pay attention to threads named as bricked or not working devices cause in the past month I had some words about several permanent and semi-pemanent bricks on phones after some time of using your roms. I'm not blaming you for that cause all custom roms come as-is, but take alook at that threads also not only on yours cause that can lead you somewhere. Most of those users did everything correctly installing you roms and after a few days their devices simply stopped working. Of course, some of those problems were caused by PVT1 motherboard issue, but some of them weren't. Once again, I'm not trying do disrespect your work I just want to point you to some problems I ran on.
[Desire General] erklat:
Yeah, I'm still contemplating whether to put that statement of his in my hall in the sig or not.

Dafuq, why so sudden change of pace? Are you not supposed to link several facts about their roms to show it is not daily software because their royal highness ics developers might delete their accounts?
[Desire General] nlooooo:
It's not a change of pace, just let them search and help desperate people trying to make their phone work again. I had enough of it.

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[Desire General] nlooooo:
Later this evening I'll post some encounters of the third kind I had with their works, and trust me some big ones...

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[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
The Evervolv 3.0.3.p7 is actually PRE-ALPHA, and not PRE-BETA as I stated in my OP.

Really looking forward to seeing the development of Jelly Bean - Pre-Alpha. It has become my daily driver regardless of the insecurities of narrow minded antagonists, or that it is PRE-ALPHA and that some things are bound not to work.

Still it functions well for me...and that's what counts. I'm seeing that others also are finding this out for themselves. Jellybean is keeping me with android. Looking forward to tasting butter when I upgrade soon! My son is going to love this phone when I pass it on to him. The Desire has served me well thanks to you guys!

Peace! :cyclops:
[Desire General] gie62001:
^ thank you well said.

@ erklat and nloooo guys you're taking everything so serious - it's just a phone with optional free updates (yep optional) :)
[Desire General] nlooooo:
And for all you ICS/JB huggers and lovers, before you post anything about awesomeness of your loving roms, and for others that listen to them using it as a daily driver with no problems at all just take a look at these few threads. These are just a few of those I ran on, some of them are about bricked devices and some about issues not mentioned from developers.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1837346

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1836164

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1786188

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1801089

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1826317

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1811434

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1830090

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1826053

And if some royal highness finds insulted by my post, I think that his place is not here on the forum.
[Desire General] Bojan155:
1 link is about a guy thinking he bricked his device, no hard proof it is really bricked because of the ROM or simply a hardware issue that can happen to all of us using a 2+ year old device. The other links are just random user errors. If person A is using a HTC Desire and flashes exactly the same version as person B but person A encounters and issue where person B has no issues at all on the same device/software how is that possible? Most issues/errors are user errors, reading and espescially reading instructions has become really difficult for loads of people these days, lots of proof of that on XDA alone. ;)

Look, I can agree on 1 thing that you are saying. When people advise an ICS/JB ROM as a daily

without any problems

it is simply wrong and a lie. (do not only quote this line erklat)

But, who are you guys to define the definition for us all what a daily driver means for person a or person b? A daily driver imho is individually decided, I personally can use an ICS or JB ROM as a daily driver because I do not use the functions that are currently not working.

So for me if I can use: telephony/sms/wifi/3g/email/internet/music/whatsapp/facebook/news/camera/online banking/etc. it becomes a daily driver for me. I got 80 user apps and they all work without a single FC in Jelly Bean, so I brand it a daily driver for myself.

I have never seen a developer (e.g. Nikez) claim that everything is working and advertising it as such. I did notice enthusiastic users that may claim such being too excited but if someone decides to try for themselves they are free to do so accepting the ROM as-is. Bug/error reports are mostly by people that 1. would like to support improvement 2. did something wrong themselves.

I came from Oxygen, it is stable and fast with all features working but if I like to take a step into the future and enthusiastically use a ROM that is good enough as a daily for me while enjoying the fact that I am on a ROM lots of newer devices aren't even still on, what is wrong with that?
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Pre-Alpha was a clue, but insecurity means you'll misread everything and get your knickers in a twist. It's Saturday... if you're old enough have a beer on me and chill!

Sent from my HTC Desire using Jelly Bean Pre- Alpha p7!
[Desire General] lunaticraver:
Happy to report that I'm using Nikez JB and (in my daily use) everything is working better than expected, for a pre-alpha.

It's not a bug-free experience, with ocasional reboots and some quirks (especially with Chrome), but it performs very well. Even things that allegedly don't work, like wireless tether and video recording are working in the p-07 version.

Still, it's the first steps but I think that they're making an excellent work. Thanks devs!!!
[Desire General] handy5876:
I have been using nikez jb for many weeks now. Not experienced even a single fc. After bojan soft keys the motivation for going back to cm 7.2 which was my regular is very low now. I also think that many bricks are a result of incorrect use of ruus by new users. The danger is because it touches both hboot and radio.

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire General] af974:
Guys, please, grow up.

i have deleted most of flaming posts and i really would like to don't see any more after this post.........just a mere warning. :angel:
[Desire General] erklat:
I sincerely hope you are not implying I take things out of context with this?

Well, when someone tries to pull things like :

a) selling a story our lives started only when we got jb

b) calls legitimate information from his thread a *****ing (how to better disprove too much enthusiasm than with facts?)

He is in for a ride. You didn't expect me not to intervene and say how the things really look like ? I haven't seen any of you suppressing too much enthusiasm here. But copied content that shows things are not like advertised by users, are *****ing?

In the end, what is the point having something newer devices don't have when some of the crucial things like the project butter will never work? I don't remember such enthusiasm from the times HTC decided to omit sense 2.1 from gb update. The very people who whined then are the so called enthusiasts now.
[Desire General] Tuffcheez:
Have a drink. LOL!
[Desire General] erklat:
I am right now actually. Luckily, I bought smartphone on which everything works so I could troll at the same time. :)
[Desire General] jmcclue:
:D

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[Desire General] paolo-red1:
Drink 'n troll multitasking.
[Desire General] jmcclue:
lol :eek: