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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jjdevega:
Many people meaning people that come to the xda community and post there problems? I can understand that. Most people that come to xda is to learn more about their devices and find solutions that hopefully others can help answer, but it is not how it is majority wise regarding many having issues with the Infinity. Nothing to talk about if your not having issues so it makes sense that more issues are posted. Xda members can get very OCD and it makes sense you can count me as one. We also tend to feed of each other. I'm sure a few of these exchanges and returns are due to that as well. Some people will embellish while others are truthful. Anyways, I agree that, out of box experience of the Note 10.1 refreshing (I came from the Prime). Although, I felt the same way when I unboxed my Infinity.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jjdevega:
Your welcome to post your video comparisons on my thread if you like. And any others wishing to do so that shows off their Note 10.1 or even its issues.

By the way I wasn't implying that your device isn't messed up. Just saying that it is not the same for many others. My Infinity is completely the opposite from yours.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mmilestone:
LOL! Well, lucky you! :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] jjdevega:
As always I welcome your thoughts/stats and your welcome.

I said what needed to be said. I'm not one to get into a flaming war. Just defending a device that has given me lots of joy.

---------- Post added at 12:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:31 PM ----------

LOL! How rude! :p
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
As well you should. If the TF700 were the train wreck some make it seem Asus wouldn't be selling any and retailers would refuse to carry them. It's a great value, fills a niche in the marketplace, and does things no other tablet does. You could say the same thing about the Note just replacing "good" value with "fair" value. The lack of ports and 720P display is a compromise for those buying the Note. The build quality and some of the components in the TF700 are compromises for people buying it. So, pick your poison. ;)

As heated as these comparisons usually become they still add value. People here are smart and can look at the extreme positions (on both sides) and draw their own conclusions which are usually somewhere in the middle. Reviewers hate the Note but owners love it. Reviewers love the TF700 and (some) owners hate it. It's all just opinion in the end.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vincent9756:
I'm not thinking anything negative about you. This whole situation is very difficult and I'm not holding anyone accountable for anything except me: I had to choose. I chose the Note based what I thought was the most common positive experience because I really, really, really, didn't want to get something I could use immediately (This is my first table and I was very excited). There's always exceptions. I just felt like had a better chance getting a working Note than a TF700.

For me, it worked out. I'm very happy because I can finally stop shopping and play. :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Not to pick on my Asus friends, but I found this post exchange in their forum in a thread entitled "Screen Flex" both amusing and telling at the same time. Just something for those deciding between Asus and Samsung tablets to ponder.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lardo5150:
Wow.

If you guys read my posts on this subject you will find I am no fanboy and loyal to no one. I won't rehash my opinions but I will say that is laughable. Spend 500 bucks and you have to do things like that?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vincent9756:
I certainly don't think these guys should, in any way, have to make up for an OEM's bad build quality, but I do genuinely respect their initiative, abilities and willingness to use them to solve their problems. These guys have way more options than I do, and that is usually a good thing. I mean, if I were to take my tablet apart, that would be the end of it. :(

Samsung is a much better for someone like me than Asus. :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] madsquabbles:
that flex also showed up when playing games and applying pressure from the back. that really concerned me when I saw it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
I don't know why but your post made me think of this...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Bigjim1488:
Asus is dead to me after the poor quality I ran into with the nexus7. I'll be picking up a note 10.1 tomorrow
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vincent9756:
Maybe because I was thinking these guys should be building tablets (or at least working for Asus). :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hung2900:
If Asus sends me a non-infected tf700t, I will buy it. Otherwise, no.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] californiarailroader:
Yay, I grew up on those! I'll be 41 in November so that explains that :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
You guys talk about the Note and TF700 as if they’re equal. Here’s a list of some of the major components.

“Luck” won’t save you from IO issues because Asus uses Elpida RAM and Hynx NAND. If you’re bored, Google some of the part numbers to see the differences. For the Broadcom stuff Asus is using older value-line products vs. the newer high-end versions in the Note. The “E” in the touchscreen controller’s model number stands for “economy.” Here’s a TF700 cracked open next to a Note and you can see the differences in how their made. If they were kitchens, which restaurant would you want to eat in?

So with a TF700 you’re getting a higher res display, some additional ports, and the ability to use a keyboard. Everything else is superior on the Note because while the spiffy aluminum back plate of the TF700 may look premium it’s the internals that determine performance and the user experience.

Look at the difference the RAM and NAND make in these Quadrant scores. So buy what makes you happy but all the cheering for one team or the other isn’t going to change the facts.

TF700

Note 10.1
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] ilostmypistons:
Your not gonna let up on those poor Tf700 guys are they have enough problems

Now that Apple added our Note to the lawsuit I would bet we see JB sooner than they do... lol
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Nah. I'm aiming for the group in the middle that's neither Asus nor Samsung biased and just looking for some info to help them make a decision. For a bunch of people the ports, dock, and high-res display are such a draw that I'm guessing they'd overlook some of the TF700's weaknesses just to have them. Besides, weaknesses like beauty are in the eye of the beholder. That and skin deep. ;)

Christ, the Note 10.1 looks absolutely nothing like an Apple product. Even the German judge who banned the 10.1 said the 10.1N with the speakers on the front was different enough for Samsung to sell it in the EU. It's really going passed ridiculous now. I think all of this is going to have the opposite affect Apple's looking for and end in a massive overhaul of the U.S. patent code. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Vincent9756:
Ridiculous might even be an understatement. Apple reminds me of a frightened two year old, walking around in diapers, shaking it's little rattle and screaming because ... (blah, blah, blah). They need a politically correct, humane version of a good old-fashioned spanking.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
I'd settle for a politically incorrect, inhumane version of a good old fashioned beat down.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] :
Great comparison.. This is important as the public perception is always that build quality refers to using aluminium in the cover. Unfortunately most people are not willing to go so deep to analyse a product before buying. Infact most so-called "tech-reviewers" think that N10.1 is not a premium product just because the display resolution is less.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lardo5150:
This..

They also think the "build quality" is less cause the Note is plastic.

General users should get a lesson in build quality. BQ for me is what is inside as well as outside.

lot of tape on that Asus. Sad. Their motherboards are always my go to boards. Wonder why this tablet line of theirs is like this.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Magnesus:
They also managed to put in newer Transformers a worse audio chip and slower NAND than in the original Transformer which wasn't state of the art to begin with.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
As in any business, the volume you purchase drives down unit cost. Samsung and Apple buy huge amounts of third party components and their suppliers work on razor thin margins in exchange for massive predictable order quantities. In turn, to produce a fair average margin, they make up for those discounts by charging HTC, Motorola, LG, Acer, and Asus a significant premium. Additionally Samsung produces many of their own core components (display, RAM, NAND, SoC) driving their costs down even further.

Asus was probably making a reasonable margin when they set the original selling price of the Prime. For the Infinity, they added things like the 1080P display, newer version of Teg3, the two-piece back cover to improve wireless reception, and a 2MP front camera. Adding those items elevated costs but yet the selling price remained the same. So they’ve either reduced their margin (unlikely) or found other ways to bring down their cost of components or production to match the Prime (likely). All while undercutting Samsung who has a meaningful cost-of-goods advantage because of the massive volumes they drive for their component providers.

So 1+1 can’t equal 3. With Asus selling 1 tablet to Samsung’s 4, their costs are higher. Yet, their retail pricing is lower. Since they aren’t a philanthropy, something has to give somewhere to make that acceptable to Asus’ shareholders. And since the masses tend to be seduced by things like display resolution, an aluminum design (TF700), price (TF300) and more storage for less money, it’s a formula Asus makes work; their tablet sales are up year-over-year and their number four in the market behind Apple, Samsung, and Amazon. But XDA’r aren’t the masses and we look at tear downs and benchmarks. Personally, I'd take a plastic back cover over aluminum to get class 1500 NAND and 2GB of dual-channel RAM any day. So I agree with anyone who says the TF700 (or any other Asus tablet) is a great value. I don’t agree that it’s equal to the Note (or comparable Samsung tablets) performance, component, or build wise based on the sum of the components used and the way it's put together.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Jotokun:
I dont own a Note 10.1. I do own a TF700. I'm not going to keep it for long. Asus may have a better screen (and comparing display models, it is noticeable), but their quality control is so crappy that to get a good one is to play Russian roulette where all but one chamber have bullets in them.

I've exchanged mine 3 times, and tomorrow am going to return my fourth.

#1 had the wifi die on me after a week.

#2 had the screen completely detached on one side out of the box.

#3 had loose spots where it seemed like the screen would eventually work its way lose.

#4 had an SD card slot with no spring, eating my card.

I'm not picking up a Note because I really want a high DPI display, probably going to wait for that 2560x1600 tablet Samsung has in the works. But I thought I'd check here to see what people say about the note, and when I saw this thread I felt the need to warn people about buying from Asus.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's a link to what came out about it in the Apple trial. It's got an 11.8" display. Unless it's edge-to-edge it's going to be huge. The Note is 12" measured on the diagonal. It's supposed to have the A15 Exynos 5250/Mali 604 chip.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/30/3205118/samsung-p10-11-8-inch-retina-tablet

http://androidandme.com/2012/03/news/a-closer-look-at-samsungs-killer-2-ghz-exynos-5250/
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Jotokun:
Oh. Thanks for the heads up, that's definitely a non-starter for me. 10.1 is definitely where I top out, so looks like I'll be waiting on the rumored Nexus 10 or Samsung's next 10.1"er provided it isnt 1280x800.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Keion:
ITT: people who can't do their own research and decide on their own products

le rustle face
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] macwilson:
If you can, hold off buying until Windows 8 is released. Apparently, there is going to be some cool tablets, and LOTS of them.

The Cedar Trail Atom transformers, with Wacom digitizers and Windows 8 for around the cost of the Note, are surely ptions.

I looked at the transformer and it was really nice. I would have bought that in a heart beat if it had the Wacom. But alas, I must wait for that.

If your into pen, there's only one way to go, and the Note really is great. It's pretty much perfected. The only thing that is not primo is the battery life. The iPad 2 gets almost double. That's something
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Magnesus:
You mean iPad 2 gets 20 hours? Because my Note easily reaches the 10 hours mark.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] fella1:
Don't Know where you got that idea from but the battery life on the Note IS great and definitely not a negative. there is no way the Ipad 2 gets double.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
I agree. Ice gotten over 10hrs. On screen time on the note. it has great battery life. lasts longer than my prime(by itself) and my N7.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] SM05:
We have both here in the house and their battery life seems to be on par; *at best* iPad 2 gets marginally better battery life.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] macwilson:
I stand corrected. Sorry about that.

I exaggerated. I also was under the impression that the Note gets 8+ hours and the iPad 2 gets around 13hrs. Of course this isn't double.

And, apparently the Note gets more than 8.

I was just going by reviews not my own experience as I don't time these things.

I must learn not to exaggerate. I will seek help on this. :)

I will then come back here and attempt to post accurate information. Wish me luck :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
Join us at the EA meetings. We meet on most fourm boards, daily. :D
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] SM05:
No problem. And thanks for being all cool about it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Somebody posted a link to this commentary from Anand in his review of the N7. His editorial in the review pretty much explains the IO issues Asus' tablets face.

"More recently users have been noticing very poor performance with ASUS Android tablets whenever there's substantial background IO going on, particularly multitasking while writes are taking place (e.g. downloading a torrent and browsing the web). The slowdowns range from multi-second long pauses to sluggish response time. The video below shows you what can happen on a Transformer Pad Infinity while downloading a bunch of large files in the background"

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6

[YOUTUBE]S6Q0Qv3m36Q[/YOUTUBE]

Being inquisitive, I wanted to see how the Note did on a similar test. Here it is downloading a movie from Play while accessing the Internet. Spoiler alert: no issues.

[YOUTUBE]AnyzQOE_Auo[/YOUTUBE]

Anand also used AndroBench to test IO performance.

My scores.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] HoushaSen:
Could I ask where you got TF700 tear down information because I see http://www.anandtech.com/show/5286/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-teardown, which is for tranformer prime and uses pretty much the same memory, io specs (obviously not screen). I am not doubting you but slightly questioning the source because the RAM you listed there on TF700 has DDR2 and TF700 supposedly use DDR3 so if there is one discrepancy there.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
No problem.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Asus-Transformer-Infinity-TF-700-Teardown/10306/1

Reading Anand's editorial on Asus' IO issues it sounds like it's a combination of cheap memory and a wonky IO controller. The crux of what he's saying is that the IO controller isn't prioritizing or caching traffic properly and/or handling interupts well and that's turning what should be sequential reads/writes (faster) in to random ones (slower). If that's true even using top-tier RAM and NAND would help but not overcome the issue(s).

P.S. - For giggles I did the same download/browsing test on my Teg3 One X and it performed as well as the Note. So it's definitely not a Teg3 related issue.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] HoushaSen:
Cool thanks. I cannot find how fast the Hynix nand should be nor the specific memory model #... A bit suspicious of the quality of those chips that ASUS used.

But most interesting part is the talk about "interrupts." Without doing any technical testing, my first impression after using Galaxy Note 10.1 (after the use of Infinity for almost a month) is "amazingly stable." Then second thing I started to thinking was "how could this be?" and I quickly start noticing the "interrupt handling" on the Note is so much smoother.

By this I mean when I type in address on browser menu, or open a ebook that technically stalls my system, instead of the system crash or hangs, it sort of wait and does try to what it does. And being inpatient myself, just as I did on the infinity I click some other button e.g. open a new tab, go back to home screen etc. This is where the key difference. Galaxy Note without a single hesitation opens up new tab or goes back to home screen as if nothing was wrong i.e. interrupting scheme is so smooth; whereas, on the infinity it either crash or more often shows "application not responding" error, which I am sure annoys and scares many users.

It's so sad ASUS couldn't pull it or Samsung didn't add FHD screen... Because I was just at the best buy and saw the infinity's screen again... man it's so gorgeous....
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
I read some where that the Exynos Quad IO controller is integral to the chip. That would explain the speed and how well it manages traffic. In the AndroBench stats I posted look how much better the Note is than the GN at writes. Something (positive) is going on in the background.

Here's the AndroBench results for my One X. Getting decent results doesn't seem to be rocket science. ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] HoushaSen:
Yeah I/O on Note is amazing. I get 20's on RL Benchmark; where on infinity it varied iteration to iteration but best I could ever get was 80's and not too infrequent I got up to 100's. That's after the latest firmware (before which it was 120's to 140's as I recall)....
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
I've been following the thread in the TF700 forum where this is being discussed and I know you are too. I wouldn't post there because it would be, well, rude.

The above post is pretty much irrelevant if in fact the IO controller is a contributing factor. Both RL Benchmark and AndroBench are single threaded tests - meaning their singularly occupying the controller. In the video Anand posted the problem he was demonstrating was what happens when multiple applications read/write at the same time and that’s what brings Asus tablets to their knees. Accordingly, RL Benchmark isn't a valid performance test and won’t report what Anand’s demonstrating. And that is interrupts are causing IO functions that other devices can process sequentially (15.19/7.13 on the TF700) to unnecessarily drop to random (4.9/.22).

Here's Anand's summary at the end of the video...

"What’s happening here is the IO/EMC controller is servicing all the background writes and as it’s interrupted with these various read/write requests from the rest of the OS that stream ends up looking like random IO. There may also be issues with handling concurrent read/writes at the same time. But generally speaking this kind of shows you what the problem is with some of these cheaper IO and NAND flash solutions are."​

I'm not trying to dash the hopes of TF700 owners that s/w will magically correct this, but it’s highly unlikely. Just like the price we have to pay for buying a Note is the 720P display, below average IO performance is a sacrifice TF700 owners (and prospective owners) have to accept. And the purpose of sharing this isn't to put Asus and the TF700 down. Since this is a comparison thread a bunch of people that are trying to decide between the two devices are looking for info. Hopefully stuff like this helps them make a more informed decision whatever that decision may be. If the situation were reversed and the Note was having IO issues I sure as hell would want to know in advance.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Barsky:
You don't need Homegroup at all. I personally dislike it and disable the two services. You need to set up your media sharing. Network and sharing center, Change Advanced Sharing Settings, Media Streaming.

You don't need to install samsung's Allshare either. of course, you can also do it via regular shares with an app like MovieBrowser UPnP, which works well.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
I do because I have a WHS. But that's a great tip for others.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Fire Witch:
THANKS to all that have shared info and opinions. I've been trying to decide between which one to buy. Yesterday I decided to order the Note (I feel the call of 2gb ram).... But, I still want the infinity too. Not like I need them, guess its addiction :eek: I hope to find a good deal on a refurb TF700 later on, so I can have both.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] pileot:
Basically it boils down to this:

If you think you will use the pen, get the note.

If you think the dock is more practical for your needs, get the infinity

If you think you want to mod / flash firmwares then samsung is usually a better choice

Asus also has a rep for poor build quality and QA

The highres screen on the Infinity DOES look better. You wont miss it terribly if you go with Samsung however if you have it, you will like it.

I have the Infinity, i had the prime before hand, i like the better screen, wifi and bluetooth work wonderfully now, it feels solid. I use the dock daily. My dad is a candidate for the Note. He likely wouldnt use the dock much. Really its preference.

One more kicker for the Infinity: If you go to bestbuy in Canada / USA print off these pages and get them to price match $350

http://kexane.com/p/25919/ASUS TF700T-B1-GR 10.1-Inch Tablet (Gray)-%2d%2d-1KO008S4AY0499.html

http://surefireshops.com/p/25914/ASUS TF700T-B1-GR 10.1-Inch Tablet (Gray)-%2d%2d-0O008S4AY0499.html

If all else is equal for you, go with the lowest price XD