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[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Jax184:
Man, you guys still don't have your own forum? What a shame!

I've been hanging on to every scrap of news about the Relay since it was first hinted at. I want something to replace my Samsung Sidekick 4G. I hope this phone doesn't go down the same road as that ill-fated device.

Consider the Sidekick's plight:

*Shipped with Android 2.2 despite 2.3 being firmly on the market.

*Had amazing specs, but was weighed down by a ROM that was slow and buggy.

*Was repeatedly promised updates, but only got a handful of minor patches that trickled out over a year.

*Samsung refused to release the source code until shortly before it was discontinued, resulting in:

*Almost no developers working on it, and only one or two had anywhere near the skills needed to build a 2.3+ ROM from scratch.

*Finally got discontinued after less than a year and a half, completely forgotten. No update to Android 2.3 or 4 ever released. No Cyanogen. No third-party 2.3 ROMs.

Sound familiar? I really really hope history doesn't repeat itself here. I'm on a carrier that's only compatible with t-mobile phones, and I need a QWERTY keyboard to retain my sanity. That means very few options. The Relay looks like the very best of them.

I hope you guys get your own forum soon so you can get some real work done, 'cause it's clear to me we can't wait around for Samsung/T-Mobile.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] RazoE:
Its definitely a shame. I was looking for custom roms and support for my daughters Sidekick 4G. Nothing. Voodoo and cwm didnt play well together, then the hardware gave up. Shes on her 3rd SK4G, but she absolutely loves that phone. I love it too but lack of support made me hang onto my MyTouch 3G Slide, then my 4G slide and eventually my Relay.

If its any consolation the Relay is perfect in my eyes. Blazing fast great size and qwerty!
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] neveroddoreven:
I also updated the top Relay 4G posts in the new forum thread with my Thanks. Looks like the entire Recent Thanks control will stay filled with Relay 4G entries now :)

On an unrelated note, I checked my Microsoft Exchange server today and the Relay 4G reported to it that its name is "apexqtmo". Oops, they left the Samsung code name in there.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] pudgybunnyBry:
I will also agree that this device is perfect. the Relay is my first QWERTY phone, and its been nothing short of amazing.

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[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] wuziq:
my google voice is being weird, too. it somehow DOES get the the voicemails, but i don't get any notification of them (notifications are enabled in gv).

what's this conditional forwarding you guys speak of? and removing your phone number from voice and adding it back? are these known tricks to get google voice to play nicely?

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yo, i came from the sk4g, too. i still have it.. waiting to see what bhundven can come up with (it sounds somewhat promising).

FWIW i'm pretty happy with the relay, even at stock. it's not perfect (although it very nearly is) but it's a far cry from the sk4g in terms of stability and speed.

i think the source for the relay has already been released, also. there's a couple guys (noptys and teferi) on #apexqtmo on freenode who are working on CM9, too, although pretty much nothing works right now.. http://kan.gd/1sfz
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Jax184:
The Sidekick's hardware is almost all re-used from a more popular phone, AND it has the sourcecode now, but development hasn't taken off. I suspect it has something to do with the fact that the Sidekick was marketed as a facebook machine for 14 year olds, and the fact that it's now a year and a half old. Pretty late in the game for major dev work to start.

All the more reason why this phone should have its own forum already, so work can get started while it's still hot and fresh.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] LinuxAssailant:
Since getting it there are a few issues with select/cut/paste that don't work correctly especially in regards to fields in contacts, and cut/paste from one txt message to another. The home button takes a while to take one to the home screen, even on Launcher Pro. A few other quirks, but this is the best stock Android build I think I have ever had, HOWEVER I would throw Cyanogen on it, if I had the option.

I am all about function, and efficiency, and less about added features, and purty graphics.

THIS WOULD FLY WITH CYANOGEN AND IT'S DUAL 1.5GHz CPU!

meh... I have 2 SK4g's on contract for a while longer and my kid and lady are stuck with builds that are functional, but onely half of what they could be.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] wolfepakt:
I also threw a bunch of thanks, and mentioned @xdadevelopers in a tweet about it. My wife loves her phone! I may get a second one for myself soon!
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] o>c:
I owned a G2/Vision, like its predecessor G1, is a blessed device, they got strong dev support up til now. One reason is that they are available worldwide. I regularly check on ebay, but I have only seen one up for auction that has gone on the same day :(. The Relay has received overall positive reviews, what are Samsung and other carriers thinking about?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] HibikiRush:
Just got the phone yesterday. Overall happy with it but some minor issues/annoyances compared to the G2 for any of those still thinking about a switch.. First of all the phone feels pretty cheap, not as sturdy as the G2. The sliding mechanism is also not as smooth as the G2, takes much more effort to open the phone up. On top of that, I don't like the placement of the power button -- with the way I personally slide open the phone, I seem to hit the power/lock button whenever I attempt to open the keyboard. Finally I miss the touchpad of the G2, I think a touchpad or trackball should be a feature on keyboard phones to give you a quicker/more precise way to move the cursor around when typing.

Other than that, the speed, screen, and camera so far seems like a greater improvement compared to my G2. I just wish the slight annoyances I've experienced so far grow on me over time.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] pudgybunnyBry:
I feel like the amount of effort required to open the keyboard makes the devices feel more sturdy. Whenever I would handle a G2 I felt like it would break when I would flip it open.

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[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] pudgybunnyBry:
I have more difficulty opening it with my left hand than the right. Seems to open just right that way to me. I tend to like things a little more tight than most though.

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[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] GinoAMelone:
I bought one for my wife on release day. It seems to open pretty easily, as long as you remember to push in the center. If you push off-center, the mechanism racks and tends to jam.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] HibikiRush:
For me, I have a tough time opening this phone one handed. Maybe just because it is new and hasn't really "broken in" yet with the sliding mechanism? Though I feel like it won't make a difference after prolonged use. It requires some force to open up the keyboard, and then you have to be careful about your hand placement so as to not lock it. The phone also feels somewhat slippery to me despite the rubberized battery door.

So far the sliding mechanism is a bit poor I think. But I am making this comparison to the G2 which I can now open effortlessly with one hand, but that's after 2 years of use. The Relay has this weird thing where if you try to slide it open one handed from the very top, the screen part will sort of angle downwards and won't really open like that. It has some give to where it can move around to the left or right. Seems like the best way to open it is in dead center, and usually with both hands I'd say.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] RazoE:
Why is opening one handed so important? You type with both hands, so why should it be easy with one hand?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] pudgybunnyBry:
maybe they are eating a sandwich or something with their other hand, so they only have one hand free lol

In all seriousness, I don't get it either. I would much rather open my phone with both hands.

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[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] gee one:
Mine should arrive on Monday- I hope it comes with one of those sandwiches of which you speak.

I think the one handed thing is a g2 habit- slide open with one hand and then start typing with two. I think I automatically pick up my g2 with one hand and open it as I add the second hand. It works well, especially if you can eat/chew/inhale the sandwich with no hands, and then wash it down with some mountain dew through a straw, all while driving.

sent while running with scissors
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] dillalade:
The relay was initially a tight mechanism upon hw kb open close. But its broken in nicely and can very causally open with one hand (typically a centralised thumb push!)

I agree with the statment that the phone is a little slippery, the back plate should have had a little more tactile feel, but its no deal breaker.

The lack of a hw camera button is an anoyance, as I always found attemtping to stabilise the shot and press on onscreen capture button always compensated stablity - specifically when attempting to take shots with one hand. Again not a deal breaker.

I agree again that this has been the best stock rom experience to date.

I'm achieving ~18 to 24hours uptime on a single full charge. Very pleased.

I do miss the trackpad from my mt4gs, this would have been a nice addition instead of a simple home key. Again not a deal breaker.

I've noticed the camera is very poor in low light, the colour balance goes grey, that's quite a dratstic set back coming from the mt4gs which held an amazing camera facility.

The build quality from all the vids and pics before geting my hands on the device did dissapoint and deter me, however since I've had the device, my perception has changed, and the build quality is not justified until you get your hands on it, I'm very pleased. Its not so sammy plasticy like we all know, its better then there average look/feel.

I hope we get a forum to help propell developement.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] grumpyload:
My wife just got one. Wouldn't have been my choice, but it turned out to be really nice, the keyboard is much better because it has four rows on keyboard instead of three (own row for numbers). The phone is screaming fast too. So, if you are like my wife & have to have a keyboard I recommend it.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Runner85sx:
I do not plan to buy this device for now.

For now my desire z is running the currently cm10 test build and i'am really happy with the results.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] fsg4u:
Hey,

I just bought the SHG-T699 a few days ago in LA. I am now back in Germany using it over here.

I paid 399 plus Tax. I unlocked my phone via a 800 hotline from T-Mobile so that I can use in here. (for free)

It's my 5th Querty device(had a lot of HTCs before) and I really like but I was wondering if the following things are possible.

To change the HW Keys (german layout is a bit different), I need root access.

1. Does anyone of you achieved root access yet?

I hate all this T-Mobile crap(sorry) I was never a T-mobile user and I'd like to have my phone without all that software.

2. Has anyone of you found a stock rom yet, that can be flashed?

Some Progs like Navigon/ADB progs like to have a USB connection.

3. Is there any ADB Driver out for windows?

I appriciate any help on these issues.

Ciao fsg
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] OriginalGabriel:
A very quick search of this tiny thread will show that yes, there is root; and no, there's no other ROM (though, with root, you can remove all/most the T-Mobile bloatware).
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] fsg4u:
I read though the whole thread. I wanted to wrap it up.

Ok. I will try the Odin Approach form this post:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1837559&highlight=root&page=18
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] RazoE:
http://androidforums.com/showthread.php?t=621642
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] gtmaster303:
Can the Samsung relay run on AT&T 3G?

It seems to run on AT&Ts 3G bands (850 and 1900)

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_relay_4g_t699-4914.php
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] fsg4u:
Any idea for how to boot into download mode?

i did the following:

1.turned off the phone (long press power button - power off)

2.push volume down

3.push home button(while still pressing volume down)

4.push power button(while still pressing the other two buttons)

any trick on this?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] CQd44:
honestly, adb reboot download

simplest way.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Kaczman:
how do we still not have a forum for this phone?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] johnyeah:
:p I don't think this phone has gained much attention just yet.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] fsg4u:
sweet.

1. with android platform tools (adb reboot download) i got into download modus

2. with odin https://dl.dropbox.com/u/103520801/Odin307.zip

and

Rooted system image https://dl.dropbox.com/u/103520801/SGHT699_rooted.tar.rar

i got root access

3. with titanium backup I was able to delete my stupid t-mobile software!

thx a lot guys.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] CQd44:
No problem!
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Nocturin:
I shall have to try this, but before I do I have a question

Is there a flash counter on these phones that I need to worry about? I really want to root so I can downclock the SoC and get a little more battery life, but before I do I want to make sure that I don't trip a counter like the one that was in my GSII

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Completely loving this phone. The last qwerty I had was a TP2, and this blows it out of the water, especially coupled with a 32GB SD Card.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] fsg4u:
How can we figure that out? I only flashed once and it worked perfectly. btw, my last phone was also a TP2 and I used it for quite a while.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Nocturin:
I'm not sure, on the GS2 I think it told you when it went into download mode at the top of the screen, but I just tried on the GS2 and I don't have it and I'm not sure if it's due to the CWM kernel I have installed.

I had a ATT GS2, now the T-Mobile relay, so I don't know if it's carrier specific or not. :(

BTW. Hard button download mode on the galaxy relay:

1. Hold Power, Vol Down, and Home button simutanously

2. When "Samsung" appears on the screen let go of the power button but keep the other two pressed down

3. Voila!

Recovery mode is the same process but Vol Up instead of Vol Down.

That TP2 I had took some damage. It was still a survivor though, no cracked screen even though the casing had started to fracture and been dropped over 50+ times :cowboy:.

edit: I took this photo of the Relay's download link

i dot imgur dot com /Zf5p7.jpg

spam filter isn't letting me post links yet >.>

but the custom binary would be set to "yes" and samsung official to "custom" if the flash counter was triggered.

what does yours say?

what is qualcom secure boot?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] :
Even easier than that, Samsung has actually included the apexq source tree in the SGSIII code...
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] :
I'm not a hardware hacking expert but I believe it has something to do with the chain of trust and locked bootloaders. Samsung drops the chain of trust after the first stage on almost all of their devices (The Verizon SGSIII being a notable example of the contrary). It won't matter for anything you're ever likely to try to flash to your phone (bootloader and recovery are both unlocked)
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] gee one:
There is some info here, although a lot of it seems moot with odin/heimdall. There are some crypto keys in the stock recovery, but that's all I can tell.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ncryption-signing-and-locking-let-me-explain/

We need a forum for sure!

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I've been playing around with the stock firmware that Nardholio posted a "few" posts back. I'm just poking around, without a clue...

Do these files look like the radio? It's in the NON_HLOS.bin file.

dsps.b00 dxhdcp2.b00 modem.b02 modem.b09 modem_fw.b06 modem_fw.b14 modem_fw.fli q6.b05 tzapps.mdt
dsps.b01 dxhdcp2.b01 modem.b03 modem_fw.b00 modem_fw.b07 modem_fw.b21 modem_fw.mdt q6.b06 wcnss.b00
dsps.b02 dxhdcp2.b02 modem.b04 modem_fw.b01 modem_fw.b08 modem_fw.b22 modem.mdt q6.mdt wcnss.b01
dsps.b03 dxhdcp2.b03 modem.b05 modem_fw.b02 modem_fw.b09 modem_fw.b23 q6.b00 tzapps.b00 wcnss.b02
dsps.b04 dxhdcp2.mdt modem.b06 modem_fw.b03 modem_fw.b10 modem_fw.b25 q6.b01 tzapps.b01 wcnss.b04
dsps.b05 modem.b00 modem.b07 modem_fw.b04 modem_fw.b11 modem_fw.b26 q6.b03 tzapps.b02 wcnss.mdt
dsps.mdt modem.b01 modem.b08 modem_fw.b05 modem_fw.b13 modem_fw.b29 q6.b04 tzapps.b03

Also, if anyone is curious, you can unrar, untar the stock rom. There are some .img files which are standard ANDROID! packed files that will unpack with bootunpack or whatever you use to unpack boot images. The xxx.img.ext4 seems to be a sparse image, but this can be converted to a regular, loop-mountable image using simg2img from the aosp tools that get built with the aosp roms. (target/host/bin/ maybe?). At any rate, that's a mouthful, but the cache.img file looks interesting. There seem to be a bunch of keylayouts for different languages in the sec_csc.zip file. Again, I'm not sure what or why these are here- I'm just poking around.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Nocturin:
Any ideas on the flash counter?

Even if it does have it, flashing the current rooted rom we have won't trigger it because it's still a stock rom.... right?

I wish I had the experience to help you guys with the development more. Only worried about the flash counter (warranty). If there's none or no way for me to trigger it I can test as a every-day user for you guys :good:
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] hendusoone:
When I flashed the pre-rooted stock rom (and later restored to the non-rooted stock rom), no obvious flash counter was displayed in future boots to download mode. Not sure if any custom roms would trigger it, since I didn't have one to flash.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Matze5800:
well i think only custom kernels should trigger it if im not mistaken ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Nocturin:
I'll give it a shot since it's still a stock "rom".

Hehe, if there is one and it does trigger it then I think I'll eat the deducatable for my "stolen" phone :D.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] ploopower79:
Lol I've been down that road before on my g2!
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] :
The device has a locked first stage. This has several ramifications but for the most part they are benign. They are:

1. The device may not enforce locked bootloaders and system images but it knows if it's been modified.

2. A future OTA could theoretically lock the device. Very doubtful this would happen. A more likely scenario is a corporate customer wishes to use the phone and voluntarily locks its devices before giving them to the users to enforce corporate security rules or something,

3. The "unbrickable mod" is the only thing I've ever heard of that would absolutely require the first stage to be unlocked on an otherwise unlocked phone. A Samsung jig (or if you have access to specialized lab equipment like the z3x) will usually work just as well.

4. OTAs and update flashes from stock recovery ARE signature enforced.

I guess you're coming from an HTC. Samsung devices call it the modem. Yes that's the radio.

I think flash counter is stored in NV RAM, which you can poke around in with QPST or CDMA workshop (yes I know, this isn't a CDMA phone). Custom recoveries and kernels will trigger it, custom ROMs will not. I've heard reports that only Odin will increment it. I can attest that dd does not, and I've heard that Heimdall does not. I'm looking for a few people brave enough to send me dumps of their NV memory to figure it out (or I suppose you could reverse engineer Odin). You can dump/back up the NV by following this instruction. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1804117

You'll want to safeguard your backup in case a flash goes wrong so you can restore your IMEI, which is in item 00550. Also don't publicly post it :)
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Nocturin:
So follow that guide and use this [samsung dot com/us/support/owners/product/SGH-T699DABTMB] driver?

I don't have to worry about any adverse affect from doing the backup? If not I'll do it this weekend and let me know what file(s) you need :). (and where to send them)

Why would someone need to be "brave enough"? :P
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] gee one:
Brave enough to shoot first and ask questions later... less talk and more flashing! :good:

This is my first Samsung device, and I haven't even opened the box yet. As a matter of fact, the mailing envelope is still sealed. When my schedule clears up, I'll tear into it at the end of next week and send the requested files.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Nocturin:
This is my only functioning phone, can't take irreversible risks :P

Why you waiting to open it?

I'm plesantly surprised by it. I would've had to get a GS3 if this little underatted monster didn't come out :).

My first sammy phone too, came from HTC.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] :
Yes, that driver will do. Or if you have Kies installed you already have the driver. The reason I say how brave are you, is how well would you trust a total stranger with the ability to clone your phone?? The software will do nothing bad to your phone as long as you click "read" and not "write" :) It all comes out as a single text file. pm me whenever you get it. And take out 550 before you send it to me, that way I can't clone your phone :) (but you should save a copy for yourself in case you ever screw up your phone)

The only thing I can add to the post I linked to (which is pretty easy to follow) is to open your Device Manager to get the number of the COM port your phone is on.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] gee one:
So I don't have windows and I disemboweled my mac for parts, which means that I don't have Kies. Am I missing out on anything? I assume that OTA updates will still be over-the-air. How about downloading "official" firmware? Is that via Kies or can I get that from a Samsung website?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] pudgybunnyBry:
I guess I am the first brave soul. I got it running right now, and I'll get it sent to you soon.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] :
gee one: samfirmware.com is an unofficial source which posts them. OTAs should also work.

pudybunnyBry: Not as exciting as I had hoped. The following things did stick out though

Item 923: SIM card number. Oops

1305: GMM P TMSI Signature Deleted, set to 01 on mine, marked as inactive item on yours. Googling it seems to indicate it has something to do with authenticating with cell towers, which is interesting because my phone is SIM unlocked. Might be interesting to explore if someone was willing to flash this to their phone if it was SIM locked (pm me first!)

6486: GPS time offset, set to 10 hex (or 16 decimal) on mine, inactive item on yours. Accounting for daylight savings, I am actually 16 hours ahead of the international date line. Have you ever used GPS on your phone? :)

10297: Different on our phones and not in my database of NV items. Might be worth looking at if I had another sample. My last backup is different than the one I took today though.

I'll look at it again tomorrow but it looks like it may not be in NV after all.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] pudgybunnyBry:
Hm, interesting. I don't actually use GPS a lot but I have used it some since getting the phone.

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[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] jjbz:
EDIT: SOLD

If anyone is looking to purchase a SGS Relay 4G (SGH-T699), I have one in like new condition for sale. My gf got me a Note 2 so now I have too many devices. I thought I'd try to sell here before resorting to swappa, craigslist, or ebay.

PM me with some offers if you're interested. I'll take some pics of the Relay when I get home tonight.