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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Jonphinguyen7:
All of the crucial usage points have been touched on already. What I miss most about my infinity is the close-to-stock OS. I fu*&ing hate Touchwiz. Of course, CM10 would be great, but then I don't think my favorite apps like layerpaint and papyrus will work properly on those apps.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
So don't use TouchWiz. I don't. I use Apex Launcher and don't have to deal.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Jonphinguyen7:
I am also currently using Apex launcher, but Touchwiz is a little deeper than that. The notifications, settings menu, lockscreen, etc. I might just be a Vanilla Android Junkie.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
You're not alone in wanting a purer experience, but at least Apex helps.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] hahyun6:
I actually like touchwiz better... maybe I'm weird. It just is a bit more... sexy.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
Hmmm... I must be missing something here. I find it to be just okay, but would rather not have it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Biohazard0289:
When I got the Galaxy S 4g I couldn't wait to get rid of TouchWiz, for whatever reason I kind of like it on the Note.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] toenail_flicker:
It's really okay, but just, IMO.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] ajamils:
I would have to agree. Having owned most of the Samsung phone in last few years, I've never liked touchwiz but there is something about TW on Note 10.1 which make it likeable. I'm running pure JB on my Note phone but love the TW on 10.1
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Beards:
Well, I was going to go the upgrade route and change my TF201 for a TF700, especially as it has 64GB internal memory against the paltry 16GB only version currently available here in the UK.

Then there's the keyboard and battery on the TF700 with additional open ports for connecting and finally ASUS are very quick in providing timely updates so it should have been a no brainer easy transition.

However, I remember all the problems in first trying to get hold of a TF101 then the TF201 and the horrendous issues and problems many (myself included) had with the radios..... and ASUS's provision in providing the GPS add-on to get round GPS not working.

So, with my fingers already burned I've remembered all of this and do not want to see a repeat but no, with the first issue I mentioned it looks like ASUS never learned their lessons with getting units out to sellers, always blaming the customers with comments such as "we did not expect demand to be so high".

Which brings me back to Samsung looking for a Tablet. I had an earlier Samsung model and frankly was not impressed (the reason I got the TF101 in the first place).

The trouble is though as I mentioned in my opening sentence, you simply can not find anything higher than a 16GB model here in the UK and to be honest I do not want this limitation.

I want at least a 32GB Note 10.1 but I keep getting email activity on the 64GB Infinity...... Oh it is so annoying!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mtunender:
Why do so many people keep saying Asus being so quick with their updates is a good thing. Seems to be more like scrambling to try to fix another problem. Jmo.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Nefariouss:
Pretty much this. There was a quick update from honeycomb to ics but all their updates were potential fixes for the cluster that was all the other problems.

If their stuff had worked so well I guarantee there wouldn't have been many updates.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Beards:
Agreed.... but at least they are quick to bring out an update, irrespective of the previous update should not have happened in the first place if they had got it right first time round.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] iamchocho:
They are getting them, and I would guess soon. You can buy the note today from at least one of the BB in NYC where the launch even was.

My local bestbuy had a flyer sitting out for the Note 10.1 last week where the Galaxy Tab normally are, which I think was likely a mistake and might indicate there is a stock in back of them (wishful thinking?). Also, its up on Best Buy's website now as coming soon.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...27483054&skuId=6315082&st=note 10.1&cp=1&lp=2
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] homegeek:
The Best Buys around me are selling them starting tomorrow.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] LightningGA:
Hmmmm...what to do. Probably will return the Infinity and get the Note 10.1. If after a few weeks, I liked the Infinity better than I'll return the Note and pick up another Infinity.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] j576:
Gizmodo's review is quite negative.

I think I should wait...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
I think a lot of reviewers are having a hard time categorizing the Note. I think this comment from Gizmodo is a bit extreme...

"Should I buy it? No. The only possible exception would be a graphic designer absolutely convinced that the S Pen can be tamed. Even then, go to the store and give it a good try first. At a $500 starting price, this is a very clear pass for everyone else."

I'm not a graphic designer and after a couple of days I'm addicted to the S-Pen for meeting notes. They also mentioned stutter and lag. I have 93 apps and 30 widgets loaded on mine and it doesn't stutter.

They also said this which I agree with. The learning curve to really use and appreciate the extra features is steep and not very intuitive. To the point that unless you're really in to the S-stuff it would probably be a turn-off.

"The user experience is a mess—whereas the Galaxy S III tries too hard, the Note 10.1 goes further, with a cluttered, confusing, and inconsistent interface."

They also kind of lost credibility with me based on this. Really? Of all the things the Note can do the element their most excited about is using it as a remote?

"The IR blaster is such a killer feature. All tablets should have one. With the excellent Peel app, you can use the tablet as a remote to control your TV, DVD players, DVR, receiver, everything. You can even set up macros to switch into "movie mode," or "gaming mode," or "music mode." It's super convenient."

You guys should probably look at the reviews in aggregate. The more established business-oriented pubs "get" the whole S-Pen thing. The casual sites like Gizmodo and The Verge which are twenty-somethings more in to gaming and video probably aren't the intended audiences for the Note anyway.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] iamchocho:
I've seen so many gizmodo reviews and articles that exaggerate such stupid little things that I don't give them much credibility anymore. At least to me they do seem to play favorites sometimes and be overly critical other times.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] CazeW:
I'm also trying to decide between these two. I currently got the Tab 10.1 which has gotten a lot better with the ICS update but there is no way around it that the Tegra2 chip is a lackluster. I'm currently leaning towards the Note 10.1 but I'm finding it a little disconcerting that all the retailers are listing the Wi-Fi version with just 1GB RAM. Is anyone able to confirm that the Wi-Fi version has 2GB of RAM or could it be that only the 3G version has it?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] devilffm:
GT-N8010 Specifications:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_10_1_n8010-4670.php
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Speaking of specs, Samsung changed the SD storage capacity from 64GB (which implies exFAT) to 32GB...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] SM05:
Unfortunately, after yesterday's announcement and after reading some reviews ranging from meh to negative, I'm considering passing on Note 10.1. I ultimately wanted a premium feel, fast, reliable, as light as possible tab with great battery life, S-Pen excluding. Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 is what I'm after I guess. :) Infinity Prime is probably what I'm gonna give a shot instead. Will try finding these 2 for a side-by-side review this weekend, which I'm sure isn't gonna be easy.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lardo5150:
it wont be easy. i went up to my BB by work with my tf700, and no Notes.

Will try this weekend at the one by my house.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
There you go..lmfao only things I dislike is no built in HDMI port. no full hd screen. dumb proprietary port like apple. aside from that, impressed with what IM seeing and hearing about this tablet so far.

It specs is what catches my interest. IM considering this. but I hope the rumors & stories of Samsung failed promises at ota updates isn't true.

Trying to decide between this & infinity pad myself. as always, ill keep researching on this tablet.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
!@

Glad you popped in! Demanderin's the exalted king when it comes to Asus and Teg3 knowledge so if anyone has specific questions he'll undoubtedly be able to answer them.

After using the Note for about a week here are some things I've observed...

- It's built like a tank as all Samsung tablets pretty much are. The h/w (CPU, GPU, RAM), wireless, audio, video are all rock solid and probably the best out there right now. Wi-Fi has channel bonding so if you're using a newer router you'll be impressed by the additional throughput.

- The display may not be 1080P but even though the resolution's the same as earlier G-Tabs the display is cleary different. Text is much crisper and colors more lifelike. Whether it's done with h/w (a new display) or s/w the improvements are noticeable. PC World picked up on in in their review and side-by-side comparison to a G-Tab 2.

- The s/w needs some work. There are occasional hangs and judders; especially in multi-view. Also, TW is even more complicated than previous versions because of all the S-Pen features and integration. For someone just using the G-Note as a consumption or gaming device I could see this extra overhead and complexity becoming frustrating. I could also see this thing becoming the Android tablet all-time speed champion for someone who wanted to blow away TW and the S-Pen features and use an AOSP ROM on it.

- Samsung's confirmed JB by the end of the year which is great and also could allow them to refine some of the s/w and interoperability in the process.

Bottom line is the Note's a fantastic tablet that Samsung needs to polish the s/w on and is a great choice for people wanting and are willing to invest in learning the additional features. For people just looking for a cool tablet all the extra stuff may be more bothersome than it is beneficial. Since it's available at BB I'd recommend people allot some time to go to a store and really play with it for a while before making a decision.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
All good points. I think the extra features make this standout. I like the pen and that it has Ir blaster. best buy has 30 day warranty at least?

Can you remove majority of tw widgets? Like with any reg. Android widget. will installing a 3rd party launcher get rid of tw? If so, does that mean you lose s-pen & mulitiview functionality?

I still love the overskreen floating/resizeable browser and media player.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
The S-Pen really changes the way you view and use a tablet. I'm a pretty quick learner and there's still a bunch of stuff I need to figure out so it's neither simple or intuitive. I am becoming pen addicted though.

Good question on how third party launchers impact the different features. If a feature is tied to TW you'll lose it with another launcher. If it's tied to the OS you won't. Not a lot of people have Notes yet and no one's posted about the impact of using a third party launcher on the S-Pen stuff. Maybe you can go first. ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] antonius0809:
I will go with the Note 10.1. The s-pen is really neat. I use an app call LectureNotes in my original Galaxy Note, and it's amazing. Much better than Samsung sMemo.. I can actually make proper artistic sketches using this app. And I heard the stylus in the 10.1 version is even better.

If you are concerned about speed, spend some time in the Android development section.. Pretty soon custom ROMs would be out that I am sure will give a mighty boost to this device's speed. Nexus7 is pretty speedy, but Note 10.1 with proper ROM will beat Nexus 7 for sure.. My original Note is a lot faster with CM9-based ROM (Anidroid) compared to original Samsung ROM.

I will get the 3G version of the 10.1 Note once it is available in Indonesia.

Sent from my GT-N7000

---------- Post added at 01:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:36 AM ----------

Using 3rd party launcher like Go launcher, Apex or Nova will still give you Samsung apps. But if you really want a speed boost to your Note, you should try AOSP roms, like CM9 or its derivatives, which I am sure will be available for Note 10.1 in no time. But using those roms would probably kill S Memo, multi screen, etc. No problem! I use LectureNotes app from the store, and it's much better than S Memo!

Sent from my GT-N7000
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Maybe you can answer a question. I found this second OEM stylus on a site. It's supposed to have an eraser funtion on the other end of the pen in addition to being used just for input. In the description which is vague, it says "8PI." The included S-Pen says "6.5PI." What does PI mean and does a higher number mean the optional pen is more granular?

Included: GALAXY NOTE 10.1IN S PEN 6.5PI FOR BUILT-IN PEN SLOT

Optional: GALAXY 10.1 NOTE BLACK S PEN 8PI 2 PLASTIC 2EA 3 RUBBER 3EA TOOL
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mtunender:
I have both at home right now and don't know what to do!

I did get bb to price match my infinity down to 347. It was some Web Site. Can not believe that worked.

I did post this in the infinity forum also. I need any help I can get.:confused:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Look at it this way, the only, and I mean only advantage the TF700 has over the Note is the 1080P display. It does have extra ports and you can buy a hard keyboard which also extends battery life and that may be important to some people. Samsung's build quality is superior, the internal components like NAND and the radios are first tier, the Note has the best speakers on an Android tablet, features like Pop up play and multi-view are useful even if you don't use the pen, and Samsung has far better service and support should you ever need it. A lot of people comment on the plastic Samsung uses. I've had three of their devices and while they feel plasticky (the battery cover on the i9100 was paper thin) they hold up incredibly well. After a year (with care) my i9100 and OG G-Tab looked like new. Truthfully though, assuming the TF700 you have is put together well, if you're having such a hard time deciding save the money and go with the TF700.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mtunender:
Thank you for you input. I think that i will be able to get either tablet for the same price because of the way the girl at BB did the receipt. My biggest problem with the 700 is asus build quality and I like the 2gb of ram on the Samsung. And the Samsung really feels like something new because the 201 and the 700 are so much the same.

So at the same price I am leaning to the Samsung so far. I am very well know for over analizing things so this is really hard on a guy:cyclops:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Being first to initiate point upgrades (4.0.3>4.0.4) and version upgrades (4.0>4.1) is indeed commendable. If anything in between is adding new features that too is commendable. If the intermediate updates are to fix problems of a manufacturers own creation that's pretty much an admission that the s/w originally released should have been tested further or was released prematurely. That's not commendable. It's like saying you should always buy the car that's had the most recalls because that manufacturer really cares about their customers by making things right after the fact. In Asus’ case their updates seem to create as many new problems as they do correct existing problems.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Beards:
Barry, I am saying I agree..... if an update creates an issue then the initial update should never have happened in the first place.

All I initially said was ASUS are quick to bring out an update....

Yes, they got it wrong and pushed out an update and yes they got that wrong and pushed out another update etc.

Okay, I should have said that in my first post but I did not think it required further explanation.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
My comment wasn't directed at you as much as those that list "updates" as an advantage Asus has over other manufacturers. They are usually fast for point and version upgrades so they deserve credit for it. The quality of the updates they push out (including the point and version ones) perhaps not so much. We can watch what happens when the official TF700 JB update gets released to see if history repeats itself.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mbucks911:
i agree with others about liking tw on the note i think its actually refreshing to be not as dark with all the blue accents on a tablet my prime and infinity were cool but it just got kind of boring and didnt seem to work as well with a tablet. I hated tw on my gs2 but i think the new touchwiz is really nice on the gs3, i still use aokp jb on my gs2 though. even after cm10 is fully stable, which will probably be after the official jb drops, i still will probably still use tw *most* of the time for the added features and the general look, i already have aosp jb on my phone.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] twospirits:
While I understand the need for a true pure Android experience, Since using the Note 5.3 I've gotten use to some of the Touchwiz features but still wanted a more pure Android feel, but certain S-pen apps need Touchwiz. With the note 10.1, I have to say that Touchwiz does not bother me a bit. Although in all fairness, i replace the stock launcher with Nova launcher.

TS
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Some more stuff for people looking at both tablets to consider. Both issues point to low-level faults in Asus' firmware.

This is in response to games continually crashing.

This is in response to Google apps behaving erratically.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] mano42:
I bought a Momax ipowerpro 8000mAh external battery, and I was surprised, the Note 10 won't charge connected with original usb cable. Than I tried with the samsung tablet cable given with the external battery, and with that specific cable, the Note charges ok.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] golfinggino:
i went with the asus infinity due to the higher resolution screen plus i would never have used the s pen - didn't use it on my note and wouldn't on a 10 inch tablet, i was reading up on this tablet today and someone mentioned the 3g version of the 10.1 can be used as a phone - is this true ? i currently use the galaxy 7.7 as my full time phone but if the note 10.1 can also do this then i would buy it as well !!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
Yes. The N8000 has a dialer. You can also use this with it which is pretty cool. A lot of times I'll forward calls and MMS from my phone to the Note so I only have to carry one device.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/15/samsung-bt-hm5100-s-pen-hands-on/
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Deusdies:
After going through three infinities (the last one being of 'decent' build quality, still significant light bleed), I have gotten a Note and I am satisfied. Though I sincerely hope that Samsung comes up with a high-res tablet soon, because that's the only drawback of the Note.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
They're supposedly working on an 11.6" according to documents that came out during the Apple litigation. Whether it's still on and has S-Pen support isn't known.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Deusdies:
Yeah, I'm aware of this, but I've been somewhat "troubled" by the lack of rumors. Other than this, we pretty much had no other indication that this device will be released soon. No CE/FCC fillings, nothing. Maybe something will be announced on October 24th (other than the Note 2 I mean).
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] golfinggino:
i picked up the note 10.1 today to test it out - it is a nice tablet but i prefer my asus infinity more - the note would be better with jb and rooted with a custom rom but i cannot use it after using the asus the screen it really is poor in comparison, i like samsung screens i have a note (the phone ) and a galaxy tab 7,7 (outstanding screen ) which i use as my full time phone but cannot get used to the screen on the 10.1 - oh well at least i tried it out - hope this helps anyone thinking about the 2 units - if you will use the s pen alot buy the note - otherwise i feel the infinity with the higher resolution screen is a better tablet at least for me
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] HoushaSen:
P10 won't come for awhile. Because of couple reasons:

1. Galaxy Note 10.1 just got released. Imagine announcing the retina display containing android tablet within next couple months will basically take all the sales away from Galaxy Note 10.1 and upset all the buyers of Note 10.1.

2. Ativ Smart Pro. This is a windows 8 tablet with FHD screen on 11 inch display. Priced $1,100. Android tablet with such price won't sell. So if they make Android with higher than Full HD, it has to be cheaper but then it will compete with a product that is not even released yet.

So P10 won't be on sale for a while, at least not until next year. But when it comes out, certainly I am interested. :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Beards:
Barry,

At the moment here in the UK you can not purchase anything other than a WiFi only 16GB Note 10.1 but I am very interested in the procedure you use to forward your calls and MMS from your phone to the Note.

Hopefully the UK will at some stage get the SIM models. As such could I impose upon you to pass on details in how you achieved the forwarding.

It is an operation which would be of great benefit when doing my hospital rounds.

Do you need a separate SIM card in both the phone and the Note?

Thank you in advance.

Beards
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
You're probably one of the most polite people on XDA. ;) I think it's more based on the phone than the Note. I have a UK One X and in both the phone and MMS settings there's an "always forward" option. There might be a dependancy on the network to support it too. It works with AT&T here in the States. I checked the Note and it has an always forward option for calls but not for MMS. Since it's really a giant SGS3 maybe Samsung devices don't support MMS forwarding. Here's what it looks like on the phone when it's active.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] rap6388:
I have been using a program called tablet talk ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apdroid.tabtalk&hl=en ). The developer is active on xda and I have been able to forward all messaging and phone to my 10.1 without fail. Works very well.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] HasC:
I also use tablet talk, basically the way it works is that you sync your MMS and sms messages with your tablet and if you want to use phone functionality with the tablet, Tablet talk allows you to manage your calls using the tablet.

When set up with the bluetooth pen, a call comes through and the tablet rings like a normal phone and you can either use the tablet or the pen to answer the call. The callers name is displayed on the screen and you can reject or answer the call accordingly. What you have to bare in mind is that the pen is paired with your phone, not the tablet, Tablet Talk just enables you to completely manage your calls using the app as if you are using it as a phone.

With this set up, there is no need to purchase the 3g one. I use mine with the 5" Note phone and it works really well.