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[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] shinkinrui:
Sure, the specs on non-qwerty phones are better, I can't deny that, of course. But again, for me, the hugest factor IS the processor. I mean, to me, saying "the only thing the phone has going for it is the processor, everything else is dated" is akin to saying "the only thing marijuana has going for it is the THC, everything else about it is a weed."

But, ya know, to each his own. The fact that the other specs are satisfactory to me and more of an afterthought doesn't mean it'll be the same for everyone. If the camera only being decent and not great and having a larger screen with better PPI are more important factors to you, I can understand the frustration there. You don't have much choice.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Joe333x:
Yeah i hear you. I was going to lose all interest if the relay ended up with an S3 instead of the S4. It having the S4 is the only thing that is keeping it in my mind but the lack of a forum and dev support is huge killer for me. Mean while phones that arnt even released yet get forums faster than the relay, i dont get it. Im going to hold out till the note 2 gets released and see if if the large screen makes a difference with typing if not ill settle for the relay and maybe actually start bringing my canon camera with me more often.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Hesster:
The Relay 4G product page on TMO's site is starting to see some user reviews:

http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...l-phone=Samsung-Galaxy-S-Relay-4G&tab=reviews

Five reviews so far, and all positive.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] o>c:
Good to hear that...just hope people from the other parts of the world could share the joy very soon.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] lbcoder:
You cited a specific device.

As for those pictures.... less worthless, still terrible. The offsets are not even CLOSE to what they should be.

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g2x: dual core CORTEX A9. LAST YEAR'S HARDWARE

Samsung note 2: quad core CORTEX A9. LAST YEAR'S HARDWARE

Relay: dual core CORTEX A15. THIS year's hardware. RAW performance EQUAL to samsung note 2, HALF THE POWER CONSUMPTION. Much faster response rate, MUCH greater single threaded application performance.

You're getting hung up on numbers without CONTEXT. Not all cores are designed equal. A9 is ancient already. A15 does a LOT more work for every clock tick.

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What other people aren't realizing is that the "other" specs are NOT worse than what the Relay has.

They forget that the OVERALL resolution is meaningless. The only meaningful aspect of resolution is PIXEL DENSITY. Smaller screen = lower overall resolution, but the SAME pixel density. A lower overall resolution is also BETTER because it means higher graphics performance.

A smaller screen is a BENEFIT, because the device can then actually be used. I don't want to have to use 2 hands to reply to an SMS. I don't want to hold something the size of a laptop up to my head. A phone should be small, because it is BETTER that way.

As for the camera resolution, again, its about the quality of the optics and the sensor, NOT the resolution.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] shinkinrui:
Putting aside that debate for a moment, I wonder if it's possible to get a more definitive answer on a forum section for this phone. Does anyone know a way to contact a mod or admin regarding this that won't result in the form answer of posting it in the nearly-useless forum request thread? How else should we go about this? This phone deserves a forum :)
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] o>c:
It seems to me that the timing for a specific forum to be set up depends on the buzz it creates. Some much anticipated devices got its forum way before it was released or just a leaked shot was found. This phone is a real sleeper, it has little publicity from its announcement to release, and either Samsung or T-Mobile doesn't seem to promote it.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] lbcoder:
I wouldn't ever expect anything to come out of the management of this forum. They clearly have their heads up their as.ses.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Hesster:
No, I did not. I said newer Mototola devices had some of the best keyboards of all the Androids in my opinion and the Flipside was the last Moto with aligned keys. You, on the other hand, stated that most Motos had keys lined up in a grid (false, it's only around half) and posted pictures of two devices older than the Flipside to try and argue against a point I never even made.

Have you ever touched the keyboard on a D3/D4/PQ? I'm betting not. Unless you have sausage fingers, even if you did put your thumb in the spot where the key would be on a standard PC keyboard, you would still hit the right button. They actually have about the same alignment as my laptop keyboard.

I've used a D3 for around 8 months. I typed this post on that "terrible" keyboard. The phone has other drawbacks, but the keyboard is hands down the best keyboard I have ever used on a slider.

BTW, have you even looked at the keyboard on the Relay? The Q and A keys are aligned, it's just the A is a larger key so it stretches.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] sinistersai4d4d:
:)[/QUOTE]

I like you.

:good:

ha I can't wait to get this phone. It seems like there is some dev support. As long as I can get root access to delete bloatware I'm good. Can someone tell me if it has a skinned version of ICS? Or if it's stock.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] RazoE:
^----It's loaded with TouchWiz.

One great thing I just discovered is you can actually disable some of the apps that came built in (including all the bloat-ware)! They no longer show up in my drawer and aren't running when I check watchdog. I can hold off root (atleast until someone makes a step-by-step guide and official recovery) for the moment being thanks to this discovery.

Just go to Application manager, click on the "all" tab and go down the list and disable the apps you don't want.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Hesster:
ZDnet's review is up:

http://www.zdnet.com/hands-on-with-the-t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-s-relay-4g-qwerty-device-7000004841/

It's short and the reviewer says he still prefers the SGSIII due to the more advanced hardware, but overall positive.

It kind of irritates me though how every single review for any QWERTY Android these days just has to mention they're a dying breed.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] jjbz:
I'm really glad Samsung put that feature in the TouchWiz. I'm sure T-Mobile wasn't all that fond of the idea, but hey, that's Samsung.

I thought I could hold off on root as well, but then I decided I needed Titanium, Quick Boot, and AntTek. Plus, I don't think you can disable that 'Diagnostics' app that T-Mo uses to spy on you. That was the first thing I deleted when I got root.

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:good:

Here are the 3 most useful links for rooting the Relay:

1. Nardholio

2. Android Forums

3. Cyvillian

As for the launcher, it's TouchWiz. Until we get some development and new ROMs, Apex or Nova launcher will definitely help with getting the AOSP stock-ish look.

Also, until XDA makes a forum, note that there's a new Relay forum here.

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Under T-Mobile's "What's New" devices, they still have the SGS Blaze 4G, HTC One S, Nokia Lumia 710, SGS2, and HTC Windows Phone 8X. The Relay is NO WHERE to be found. What's with that? It's ridiculous how little publicity T-Mobile is giving this phone.

It's almost as if T-Mobile wants this phone to fly under the radar and die a quick, painless death (without anyone knowing, of course).
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] planetbeen:
Where did everyone go? :(
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Azianmunk:
Not sure, everyone just dissapeared. No one is posting on the other form either.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Matze5800:
Which other forum?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] jjbz:
The one in my last post.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] mikeybot:
Just got the phone today and immediately flashed the rooted image with a little stumbling having not used Odin before.

Flashing root image for dummies like me:

1. Download the Relay 4G USB driver from Samsung's site (they actually have it up) http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/SGH-T699DABTMB and install.

2. Download Odin and the rooted image from the post above.

3. Uncompress both files (remove the .md5 from the image so that it is just .tar)

4. Connect phone to computer and boot into download mode (hold Vol. down, home and power)

5. Run Odin, click PDA and select the rooted image

6. Start and patiently wait for flashing and phone to reboot.

Definitely a LOT easier than the early G1 and 2 rooting attempts

Thank you to everyone involved in getting it rooted so quickly
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Joe_PDA:
I've owned my relay for 10 days now and have given it a good workout.

Yes the keyboard mechanism is secure and feels well made. You can feel comfortable about that.

Having a keyboard on my phone is one of my main requirements.

Initially, I really didn't like the flat, smooth keys. But the keys are well spaced with decent feedback.

I am coming from an old HTC Touch Pro which had a really great keyboard. I also tried several Motorola

phones like Droid 3, 4 and Photon, all having great keyboards. The more I use this keyboard, the more I like it.

Samsung could have done better with this keyboard. However I think you will like it and find it very useable.

Besides there are so many great features of this phone, you will use, but not dwell on the keyboard.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] o>c:
No news as of now regarding availability outside the States. So is this a Tmo US only device? And if thats true, the dev community for it is not likely to be strong.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] daveid:
I got the Relay for my wife last Monday, she has been having some issues with it. Can anyone tell me what their experiences have been in regards to music playback? We are listening to ~160kbps Ogg Vorbis files that play flawlessly on all Android devices back to the G1, so there is nothing wrong with the files. Most playback is in the car plugged in via headphone output to aux-in on stereo. The problems are:

1. Samsung Music player - skips like a bad cd, tiny pauses throughout the music.

2. Google Play Music (updated via market) - random electronic noises, screeching, kind of buzzing.

3. In general there is a heavy white noise transmitted when the phone is charging through the supplied car radio USB connection.

Has anyone noticed these? Can you check? I'd rather not get another if this is widespread, instead getting her a different device (may convince to ditch the keyboard) to ensure satisfaction. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Edit - wanted to include troubleshooting already done. Freezing/attempting to freeze: Google Play Music, Music FX, Samsung Player (cannot disable - jerks). Equalizer/effects enabled/disabled. Power connected, disconnected. Killing all apps, rebooting a few times, probably some other things I forget right now.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] conejoblanco:
At first I thought it was Swype too, but it isn't really. It seems to be a Samsung version of the Swype keyboard. The nice thing is that you can install the latest Swype beta keyboard alongside it, unlike some phones that come pre-installed with Swype. So after fumbling with the Samsung keyboard for a little while I installed the Swype beta and it's much better.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] wuziq:
yikes. can anyone confirm this? especially #3...

gonna go check it out at the local tmobile stores today. my sidekick 4g has been pissing me off with its random freezes and reboots, and no dev support.

from what i hear about this phone, i'm kinda pumped. don't give a **** about camera or screen size (although, too big is bad). 5-row qwerty, enough RAM, fast processor, decent storage... it all sounds good to me. fools can have their flashy phones with no keyboard, haha.

my biggest concern is that it's got a qualcomm processor. based on the table at the bottom of this page (http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S:_FAQ), it looks like the phones with qualcomm processors aren't supported by CM. is this something to be worried about? i hope my worries are unfounded. any insight would be appreciated.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] hendusoone:
I've tested the stereo audio out while charging and while unplugged, in my car (also with and without google navigation running). I haven't heard any of the white noise or popping, though I use mp3 for my music. DoubleTwist player, too. I wonder if it's a defective device? Have you tried with other audio formats or players?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Azianmunk:
I try and find out tonight. I have a long drive upstate for work (> 6 hours). I think this is more than enough time to see if there is any hiccups. I'm currently downloading the programs and ogg music just for you. As for the charger, I still use my blackberry charger from 3-4 years ago but I will swap it out for the USB cable for you as well.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] daveid:
I am leaning towards a defective device as well, and will be swapping it out for a new one tomorrow. My wife really likes the phone, so I really hope it is just a bad device...
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] John5788:
Joining the boat. I just got one a few minutes ago! Waiting for XDA forum to pop up for us to gather in.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] s0medude:
I got one of these a few days after it was released.

Went in to T-Mo, thinking I was going to get an S3. Walked out with a Relay.

Smaller screen and lower resolution.. and 1GB of RAM instead of two.. but I'm a sucker for a smartphone with a keyboard.

Doubt I'll notice the lesser amount of RAM. The screen on the S3 is pretty damn sweet, but the Relay is not a bad phone at all.

NFC.. front camera.. S-Voice..

Only feature I see missing that is in the S3 is the "play videos as a widget overlay" thing.

I hope that they CyanogenMod team gets ahold of one. :)
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] John5788:
I cannot wait for CM support. I dislike the stock OS. Doesn't even have USB mass storage support. Only MTP and PTP support
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] wuziq:
just picked one up, haven't really started playing with it. i switched from the old, "even more minutes" plan to a value plan, and the cost is less overall, including the phone. the only thing i won't have now is the unlimited data (only 2gb now), but that's not a problem cuz i've never gone over 1.4gb.

plus my old phone was the sidekick 4g which has been a pain in the butt.

keyboard is pretty easy to slide open, i can do it fine with one hand..
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] debork:
Looks like we have to try harder on the popularity contest, post a +1 to the new device forum request thread if you haven't already:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1660354

Assuming that thread actually is looked at...
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Necon0:
I ended up getting the phone and i love it, but is anyone else having some issues with GPS. It cannot find me half the time. and takes an insanely long time to do so some times, like minutes. even when connected to 4g towers and even at home connected to wifi. I have gps turned on of course.but on google maps, or any apps that use my location like fandango. it always says "waiting for location" "your location cannot be found at this time" anyone else have this issue?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] daveid:
I hate to reply to myself, but I just got a replacement phone from the store, popped one album on, fired up google play music, and it does the same crap. The audio skips, and makes terrible electronic noises. EQ on or off. The stock player does the same crap. I am leaning towards a refund at this point. This is with or without headphones connected. This is with or without the USB connected. I could really care less if all audio formats do this, but all of our albums are ogg vorbis, and they all play on every other device (meaning there is nothing wrong with them). Heading back to the store now, probably not coming home with another one of these - which really sucks and is going to disappoint my wife severely, as she really wants this keyboard...
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] RazoE:
What headphones are you using? Are you using the speaker or a bluetooth device? There have to be other factors. Have you tried your music on another phone?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] gee one:
Do other audio formats play as expected? Perhaps the decoder for ogg vorbis isn't implemented properly.

sent while running with scissors
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] shinkinrui:
That's a shame about the ogg vorbis files. I wonder if we hunted down the codec or decoder or whatever it's called from a known working device and put it where it needs to go on a rooted relay if that would fix it...
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] daveid:
As my posts indicated, this is with/without headphones, plugged into a car stereo, etc. Only care if these files play so didn't bother with other formats. Re-encoding 250 albums for one device is not happening. The exact same file plays perfectly on my GSII, A500, Nexus One, her new GSIII (as a replacement for the Relay), her old MT3GS, and even on my real old G1, as well as on my PCs. Didn't bother testing bluetooth as the same skipping was clear on the phone speaker.

I do feel this could be a problem with the codec, but have no time/patience do deal with it. This is my wife's phone and as such needs to work 100% for her daily usage, if you aren't married, you may not understand this requirement ... I hope she can overlook the missing hardware keyboard on the GSIII, might get her a little BT one for the occasional need.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] sino8r:
Hmmm... that doesn't make much sense. Isn't ogg the main audio format used in Android's system sounds lol? Do they play okay? I'd have to agree about other factors here. Try running disk check/repair and then defragging your sd card. If that fails, consider Spotify. It has every album you can think of plus some.... good luck!
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] RazoE:
I'm definitely married, my wife and I are in my avatar. I haven't had this issue with my relay which is why it's weird you me. Maybe it's the app itself. I personally use the Google music version from froyo, as it's the simplest and the widget is one of the best in my opinion. Sorry to hear though, my wife is sticking with her my touch 4g slide as there are things she doesnt like about my Relay (physical buttons and optical pad which i miss as well). Good luck in your future endeavors if youre really leaving us.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] BRad Barnett:
Definitely a software issue though, and definitely not going to be an issue on a custom rom.

Of course, it could be months until a custom rom comes out of beta....

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Come to think of it, you should try downloading a few free players from the market. One of them should work fine, without issue. Maybe one is acceptable to her?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] daveid:
She is happily attached to her SGSIII, and it plays the same files from the same sd card just fine.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] wuziq:
i haven't had this problem, sorry man! GPS gets picked up pretty quickly, actually...
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] COZ'N'EFX:
I just rendered a 160Kbps (VBR) ogg file in Sony Acid, copied it to my Relay, tested it in Samsung Music player and Google Play Music, with the internal speaker, headphones, and a stereo bluetooth headset, all work with no issues. Our car doesn't have an AUX input so I can't test that, but my guess is that you have a defective unit.

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Just tested on mine, turned on GPS, launched the Maps app, and found my location in about 5 seconds.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] wuziq:
anyone know how to get flash working on this thing? :o can't install it from google play anymore, it seems...

NEVERMIND, just go here on your phone: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ it automatically sent me to the apparently-hidden app on google play.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] BRad Barnett:
Heh. If that's the case, as in, you don't want to discuss it or require alternative methods to resolve the issue...

Then why on earth would you even mention it here? In fact, why did you even try to get a new phone for her?

I mean -- she's happy with the old phone, and doesn't want a new one. So... why even attempt the exchange? Why even enter a discussion to see if others are having a problem?

Eg: Why did you even entertain the concept of getting help with that issue here?

(and yes, you did)

I suggest that if you want to enter a discussion, don't attempt to leave it by pretending that people responding to your pleas for resolution are doing something strange.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] daveid:
If you have trouble following a discussion, stay out of it. The GSIII is a replacement for the faulty relay. Her previous phone was my old nexus one, and I stated the troubleshooting I was able to try in the short time we had together (we work opposing schedules). I also stated that I had to exchange the phone before testing more, because she needed a working phone. So, I was mostly sharing my findings here for the benefit of the community. If you want to jump in half-cocked, so be it, but at least you should try reading the whole conversation first. By the way, she hates the nexus one. And I really could care less about finding the cause of the issue, all I know is both phones I tested displayed the same buggy behaviour, which was enough for us to decide this wasn't the phone for her. I'm leaving this discussion now, as I really don't care about any reply you might have. I definitely didn't come here with the intention of being blasted by some jerk who can't even follow a discussion properly.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] o>c:
The phone is now available at Best Buy for $549.99 without contract. Is it still sim locked?
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] shinkinrui:
Come on, man. If you're gonna post just to be a snarky ass, at least have a valid point.

@oc yeah it'll still be locked.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] BRad Barnett:
Again, "heh".

and

Then..

So, I respond. I try to help.

Then, barely 5 hours later:

I mean, come on man. :P Yeah, sure.. I didn't read the whole thread. I only read the two pages above, and quickly.

Who the hell cares? I was attempting to help you, and you essentially blew me away.

My statement stands:

http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-phone/Samsung-Galaxy-S-Relay-4G-No-Annual-Contract

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Yes, it will be.

It's also available at t-mobile on their website under prepaid for $400 with a $50 data card. The $549.99 is a ripoff.

http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-phone/Samsung-Galaxy-S-Relay-4G-No-Annual-Contract
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] wuziq:
his response was appropriate in context. he wasn't brushing you off, you just assumed he was :silly:

anyway, this phone has been good to me so far. i like s voice. and it's crazy but i kinda like the touchwiz launcher (never thought i'd say that, coming from sidekick4g). kind of a bummer that voodoo sound doesn't work on it (kernel not supported). overall i'm pretty happy. CM support would be sick, of course. if only more people knew about this phone!
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] noptys:
CWM

I went through the steps in the guide (which I can't post a link to) and built a CWM for apexqtmo (the Relay 4G). I was able to build a recovery image the first time. However it doesn't actually do anything. :p

Anyone made it any further? Or have experience troubleshooting CWM?

I created #apexqtmo on freenode since there still doesn't seem to be a dedicated forum here.