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[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] madsquabbles:
it's like i mentioned in another thread. i work prepress in a printing company and you'd be surprised at the amount of people that cannot see the difference between a 72 to 100 dpi image printed vs a 300+ dpi image. yet you ask them if 1080p looks better than 720 they jump on the bandwagon. in reality, yes it does look better under the certain circumstances (right distance, right source image, right size screen). i'd prefer a 1080p screen, but if you can give a high quality 720 screen i'd be just as happen, especially at the small screen sizes we're using. even at 1440x900 my 14" laptop looks good. granted the distance i hold it as close to my face as my tablets when book reading i may think otherwise. but web browsing i keep my laptops and tablets the same distance from my face so there's no "oh my god!" type of quality differences.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] guthrien:
I suppose I just read a lot on my tabs. I can't imagine someone not saying omg! at the difference. But I do respect that it doesn't bother everyone. For instance, the type of video content I watch, the Note would be fine. But look, I'm talking about a technical, objective difference in specifications, how much it bothers someone is clearly a matter of preference.

I look forward to seeing any progression in the writing/drawing software, that's what makes the tablet worth talking about to me. Hopefully Samsung can get a couple developers on board.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
yeah, that helicopter video really shows off how great this display is. the screen is really high quality. it surprised me how well and detailed it looked.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
The part that's lost in the discussion is that we're looking at content that's displayed the same way regardless of resolution. It's not like the 1080P displays allow more to be displayed on a page. You're still looking at the same 8x7 grid as well as other content being displayed the same way only shown in more detail because of the higher PPI count. Someone above with an SGS3 complimented its display. What's ironic is that most SGS3 owners don't notice that TW hasn't been optimized for the HD display and actually wastes 20% of the display real estate where the HTC One X doesn't. It just proves how subjective people's opinions of displays are.

And while higher res, the displays used by Asus and Acer aren't necessarily "better." Asus sources from HannStar which in the PC monitor world is a second and maybe even a third tier brand. I don't know who Acer sources from.

If you look at the testing results the Note is better at blacks than either of the two 1080P displays and is brighter than the Acer display and almost as bright as the TF700 at max brightness. The TF700 does offer a "super bright" option for outdoor viewing that's brighter than any tablet on the market but battery consumption at that level makes it good only for occasional use. At default levels (50%) the Note's brightness results are much better and still deliver comparable battery life.

Here's an older review of tablet displays done by DisplayMate a recognized third party display evaluation company. While all the tablets tested have moved on to their second generations it gives you an idea of what goes in to delivering a good display experience. There's a lot more to it than just resolution.

http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_ShootOut_2.htm

I'm sharing this just for the sake of information. I'm not saying that a 720P display is better than a 1080P display. But for people struggling over the Note's benefits vs. a higher res display it might be helpful.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] wingzero2085:
I'm among the many folks who don't see much difference between the high-res displays like on the Infinity & displays like that on the Note. My husband, however, is one who can see a difference and it bothers him. He'd possibly be buying himself a Note if it weren't for the display. It's funny the arguments we'll have on the subject, but the fact just is that not everyone perceives these displays the same way, and sometimes people need to understand that.

IMHO, the Note excels at so many things that there's just no contest (for me), between it and the Infinity. Add to that my horrible experience for the past 6+ months with the OG Transformer, and the Note was an absolute no-brainer decision. I enjoy spending time on my tablet again! As some others in this thread have mentioned -- even if you are a lucky one who hasn't experienced firmware issues on Asus products, the fact is that they DO exist for some. I was one of those people, and this was after I was one of Asus' biggest cheerleaders for my entire first year of ownership of the OG Transformer. I had a gamut of issues: bluetooth problems, WiFi problems, screen tearing and flickering, freezes during gameplay -- you name it, I had it. It made my tablet extremely frustrating to use & led to months of absolute misery, as my tablet is also a tool for me. When the release date for the Note dropped, I couldn't get away from my TF101 fast enough.

That said, I don't think Asus products are bad, necessarily, but I do think they have some quality control issues overall -- across all aspects of their tablet line. I felt like a beta tester with the OG Transformer, and while I generally don't mind that, I resented having it forced upon me by their OTA update system. If I'm going to be a beta tester, I'd rather volunteer for that honor (and likely would just be constantly running roms from devs here, rather than buggy stock firmware). In short: I'd rather have a tablet that hardly ever gets updated if it works as it should.

The Note vs the Infinity, I'd agree, is a debate that won't have a resolution in a thread like this. Which is better is subjective and depends entirely on the experience and needs of the user. Hearing others' opinions on the subject is interesting, though. Good discussion, indeed ;).
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] madsquabbles:
just got the gn101 and did a quick comparison. just installing the apps you notice the lag of the infinity. the infinity stutters when you're installing multiple apps, the gn101 was still pretty smooth with just a few stammers.

sure the higher res screen is better up close, but under my normal distances of 14 inches away or more the differences seem to diminish - it's just not as glaringly obvious that there resolution difference. now if i pull it in closer you can see the AA of the gn101 where as the tf700 is still sharp. but as i said, it's kinda like light bleed, under normal use it really has not effect/benefit for me.

speaking of bleed, i've got none. and no dead or stuck pixels.

as for the quality, it's no better or worse than the original galaxy tab 10.1. if you think that one's flimsy you'll feel the same about this one. if you thought it was sturdy you'll feel equal about the gt101. i don't like all the plastic chrome and shininess, but i'm more function than form so i can ignore what i consider ugly to have a better device for me (i didn't like the purply pink of the tf700 either, but i'd still use it).

also netflix runs ok without having to force gpu accel like you do on the tf700. still not as smooth as the ipad, but far better than the tf700 and slightly better than the gt101.

so far i'm pretty pleased. i'll give them both a good comparison this weekend and make my decision.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] wanderfowl:
The build quality is rather disappointing, and touchwiz is annoying, but I still really like this tablet. Love the pen, the speed, even the multitasking is good. 30 days to test, but likely gonna sell my Xoom and keep this.

Hope the glut of bad reviews doesn't chase off the devs....
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] darkwolfelite:
Hey lardo. I'm sure you remember me from the Infinity forums.lol

Anyway, I had to return (3) Infinity's and was about to try a fourth. I told Bestbuy (which I know its not there fault) that they might as well get every Infinity off the shelf and open each one and turn it on. Obviously they wouldn't do that. But then I thought, why would I give ASUS my money now anyway? Why after having to get a fourth just to get a good one would I help ASUS's sales? So, I jumped ship and got the NOTE. Holy ****!! Way better than the Infinity. Sorry your first had light bleed. Mine is just about perfect. Super fast. Sound is great and when you get the next NOTE, watch the Samsung helicopter vid. It will show you that the screen is really good. Well, I hope your next one is great. I think there should be a thread called So I bought an Infinity and Switched to the Note. :good:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lardo5150:
Hey wolf! yep I remember ya.

This is a common theme, I am seeing this on this forum and in the 700 forum (I still visit and lurk), lot of people jumping ship.

Listen, for that amount of money, why settle?

Think of it like this. Ford comes out with this new car. Fastest car on the market, new design, fastest motor. You buy it. When you get home, you realize that the radio does not work. You also realize that with a passenger in the car, it takes a long time to get up to 60, even almost dies once in awhile. What would you do in that situation?

I love Asus, each gaming computer I build, I buy their boards. But man their tablet line has some serious issues. And I believe they COULD be the kings. Sadly no.

I had ZERO issues with the lower resolution, zero. I though the Note's screen was awesome. I thought the Note was great. The default browser was fast, which blew me away cause the stock android browser has always been poop.

I am expecting my next Note (to be here Saturday) to me perfect. I can't wait.

Wolf, have you checked out any of the threads for the 300 and its jelly bean update? the two I looked at people were posting performance after the update....seems to have made things worse.....sad.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] rap6388:
My Experience

Copy of my recent post on the TF700 Forum:

I have professed over the last few days that I decided to stay with the tf700 and even had it taking notes for me pretty well. The FHD, the dock etc all went into my deciding factors. Until this morning. My TF700 just acted real crappy all the sudden. Force close, wifi drop ( after reworking my network) and launcher failing over and over. Enough was enough. I had traded some questions with demandarin to see what he thought of the note since I saw him sharing his wisdom on note forum and as always he gave a very thorough and educated answer.

I love ASUS but after the prime and now some issues with the tf700 I had to take advantage of the BB exchange policy ( I did not know that my 30 days to exchange started over if I exchanged for the Note 10.1, which is cool) I exchanged my TF700 for the Note 10.1 this morning and I have to say the difference is night and day. The Samsung.... well, it just works. No issues, not getting around the system to do what I want, it is smooth as butter and after playing with it for most of the day at work I really like it.

For whatever reason it seems sturdier than the one tested originally. BB has them on display now and the first time they had to go in the back to get it. The plastic is a downside but I keep mine in a leather case anyway so I am not sure that is as big of an issue as I made it out to be. The S pen is pretty cool and it is something that is useful to me. That aside this is what a tablet should be. It moves. no hesitation at all. Download from the playstore seems a bit slow but nothing else and I am not sure why that is. Maybe because everything else is so fast.

As far as the screen, that I was so worried about. Not a big deal This is no ordinary non FHD screen. Not sure what Samsung did but it rocks and does not bother me a bit, so far. Sucks to have to buy adapters to get hdmi out and a blue tooth keyboard will be in the budget ( btw sound and blue tooth streaming on this things are far and above anything the TF700 ever produced) but it really is a great device.

If you have a TF700, even one that seems to be working really well , I think it is worth the time to check out the Note 10.1 a little deeper. It was for me. And if you bought it at BB in the last 30 days won't cost nothin!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] demandarin:
Glad to hear you liking it so far. So you got the 16gb one from best buy b&m store? I just saw that best buy online has the grey 32gb ones in stock again. I wish the brick & mortar store would carry them so I can go exchange for a 32gb one. I'm still on the fence about keeping 16gb or getting my cash back and ordering from best buy online so I can get the 32gb one. Too bad they don't carry the 32gb in white also.

As I'm learning to use the S pen more and more, I'm seeing how seamless it is to use it. Also at how useful it is.

The best thing is best buy 30 day policy. Gives you plenty time to take the tablet for a test run. Did you install the update that came this morning? My device has no hardware or software issues at all. It just works. Battery life is very good. Even putting it in power savings mode, I hardly notice a drop in performance. But the battery last even longer. If you put it in power savings mode and check the CPU one, the Max frequency speed will be 1ghz. I confirmed THST with CPU spy. So if you're not going to be playing heavy duty games, power savings mode still loads up web pages very fast and and UI doesn't suffer, at least to me it doesn't look like it does. Battery life is good either way.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] guthrien:
Yea, I was part of that extremely lucky crew that returned the Prime for the Infinity at Best Buy almost a year after the fact. They had no issues taking the Infinity back, I could have walked out with the Note to try for a month, any other curious TF owner should do it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] rap6388:
Thanks for all the tips. I will check them out. I installed the update without issue and like you said everything "just works"
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] darkwolfelite:
Yeah I saw that as well. I had the TF300 first. I liked it, but after buying it I saw that the Infinity was coming out and returned the TF300 for the Infinity. As far as jellybean and updates are concerned, I don't really mind if it takes awhile. This thing is just plain FAST! The Infinity seems to rely on these updates where as this NOTE does not.

So I believe I made the right decision, and I believe you did as well:laugh: Can't wait for you to get your new one and you get to really check it out:good:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] Kohawk09:
Add me to the TF700 users that have jumped to the note. The first week or so I had my TF700, I really thought it was going to be the perfect tablet for me. I was also one of the lucky that returned my Prime to get the Infinity, so it was shaping up to truly be that "Tablet that the Prime should have been". Then... the all familiar Browser Not Responding messages came back full force causing flashbacks to my Prime days. I wasn't going to deal with it any longer. The Browser is my primary use of a tab, and I need it to work. My gnex flies on the web, and the Infinity acts like its running on 2.1.

I greatly miss the HD screen. For me, its a noticeable step down from the Infinity. There are pros and cons to everything in life. For me, if I was in it just for the screen resolution, I'd get in IPad 3. What good is an HD screen if its constantly plagued with freezes, stutters and Not Responding messages? The Note IS what the Prime should have been, and I'm not looking back!

Best Buy even bought back my dock I purchased in January, so there is my accessory money :)

Although my sig now makes me look like a Sammy fan boi... I'm really not :), they're just at the top of their game right now!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] knives of ice:
Well I got the note today coming from the prime. I am enjoying the note but I have to say I do think my prime with cm10 was faster than the stock note. However I have no doubt when we get cm or another also aosp rom the note will be the fastest tab out there.

I have little/no use for the s pen and I think the multitasking is a gimmick I have no need for but could see how others do. When it comes to android my motto has been buy the best hardware out there and the devs will bring us the best software. I expect the note to follow course.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] StiiLe:
:angel:

Good words.

I was one of them 2 weeks ago. But I did wrong, I was bad troll at the end, and I honnestly admitted it.

Now I am happy to write to you from my TF700, even if there are some very good things on the Note 10.1 (native split screen for example, and PLS of course) that I would like to use on my TF700 too. I can understand those who return back their TF700 (or their Note 10.1) to buy the other one, but I think that they should write down their needs before buying the tablet. For example my needs :

I need a dock for better battery ;

I need a perfect keyboard integration to use it as a netbook, I am faster when I write with a keyboard (my case) ;

I need Full HD because I love watching movies / tv shows, and I would like to have to best screen for some years, even if this is not the "standard" for now.

And, I can also write :

I would like to use S-Pen too, but mostly in a funny way ;

I would like to use native split-screen too, but I will have to wait for CornerStone integration ;

I would like to have the best hardware and performance (Note 10.1, but TF700 is not bad anyway).

That was very difficult to choose in the end, the price can tip the scales for one or the other too (it depends on the country). If I had taken Note 10.1 I would regret my "needs", then I took the TF700 and I regret my "would like". :silly:

I am very happy anyway, I just want better android apps integration for tablets now, for both Note 10.1 and TF700 (or Full HD apps in this case).

Good luck for those who didn't make their choice between Note 10.1 or TF700 yet !
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] richB7:
As I had an infinity I still peruse their forums and they had a similar topic over there where I said people considering the infinity really should take a look at the note. Most people appreciated the advice but there was a couple of folks who came unglued. Funny.

Oh one more advantage of the note I haven't seen mentioned... the infrared port and peel remote. I surprisingly have found that hardware addition and app really useful.

I was not considering the note until I got the SGS3. The phone so impressed me I had to give the note a chance.

One note about screens. After I returned my second Prime, I bought the Galaxy Tab 7.7 and I have yet to see a screen, including the latest offerings from Acer and Asus, that looked anywhere near as good as that super amoled. On ICS the tab was a little jerky at times but after JB came out it smoothed out incredibly.

I'm sorry I sold that guy for the infinity.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] madsquabbles:
i've confirmed what's already been said by a few that the note does have better battery life. 30 min of streaming netflix uses up 10% of my batter where as the same on the note uses 5% which is what my gt101 gets. i'm supposing the higher res display is taking up that much extra juice to run.

the other thing could be that i have "force gpu accelleration on" on the tf700. it's pretty much needed to make netflix usable. maybe JB will fix that.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] lardo5150:
Someone mentioned in the exact same thread on the 700 forum, that these type of threads can be very helpful, especially when you have people stating why objectively over the other.

These threads crash though when the fanboys come out and lose their minds.

I could have went either way, since my tablet will only be used as a luxury item...listening to music, youtube, and browsing.

I would have prefered the 700, because of the screen. But my decision was based off build quality. I know there are some nice solid 700's out there, but I hit two of them where light bleed was bad and the bluetooth was not working for youtube and having youtube is a big thing for me.

I was on the fence, and both of these threads (here and in the 700 forums) helped me make my decision.

Every one is different, every tab is different, and every one's needs will differ.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] savvacon:
Well just pulled the trigger on the note. Should have it delivered early next week. I was hesitant at first mostly because of the screen and then I looked at my TF101 (which just died) and realized that if the screen is better than that I'll be happy. As far as TW it's not an issue; I've owned about 8 different android phones and I change the launcher every time. I'm looking forward to the spen forbtaking notes in meetings and the multitasking.

This thread helped alot. Thanks
[Galaxy Note 10.1 General] wingzero2085:
Well said! And while this is a really amusing observation, there's good reason for it: no one wants to admit, especially not within the first month or two after a purchase, that they've made the wrong decision. I think it's just human nature ;).

That said -- I suppose I somewhat fail to understand why everything must boil down to a generic "which one is better" consensus (only one possible reason comes to mind, and that has to do more with pride than anything else). There won't be one. Debating it might be fun or even interesting, but the most useful part about this debate is when it actually helps someone who is looking at both tablets and wondering which one is the right one for them. And that's key -- what is right for you. For some, it's going to be the Note, and for others it'll be the Infinity. Both are excellent devices, but which one is right for you is going to totally depend on what you want to get out of it. I think that subject has come up several times throughout this thread. What I find maddening is that a lot of Infinity fanboys seem to discount the s-pen as a gimmick, as they personally have no use for it. Well, that's fine for them, but for me -- the s-pen is exactly what I need. For me, it isn't a gimmick, just like I'm sure it isn't for many others who purchased the Note over the Infinity. I'm not going to sit here and discount how nice the screen must look on the Infinity -- I'm sure it's impressive, but for me, it's impressive and useless at the same time (much like the s-pen is for many Infinity owners). ;)

You'll find tons of posts by me over in the OG Transformer forums relating to my problems with that device. I had a really bad experience in the end with Asus, but there are plenty of people who love that same device, even now. I'll steer clear of Asus products for awhile after my experience -- it just can't be helped. I don't hate them, but I don't trust them, either. (And their motherboards have been at the heart of my PCs for a long, long time, too!) I'm sure there are people with bad experiences with just about every tablet on the market today -- the iPad included. What's important is that we forget fanboyism and actually discuss the merits of each device, and that people on both sides of the case respect everyone else's opinions and experiences.