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[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
HTC developer support (withholding source code) for the Amaze is horrible, and by that measure, the phone is certainly "outdated".

Antenna issues, battery issues, heat issues... The phone is not without its problems. The specs look great, but the reality is far from it.

Yes. The Amaze is outdated.
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
Youre posts logic would assume that even the htc evo 4g lte is outdated due to problems.

the samsung galaxy s3 is outdated because of problems. Youre a fool.

No, the Amaze 4g is not outdated. its not the newest hardware, but its far from the scrap heap.
[HTC Amaze 4G] WellTrainedVC:
All very valid arguments, just wonder why an manufacturer has not listened to the arguments. If they had/do, we wouldn't have horrible concoctions like the One S.

Wish I could conjour up the perfect phone...
[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
If the problems in those phones are not eventually resolved, and affect the usability of the phone, then yes, they will be outdated.

The "scrap heap" (pile of old phones that are only used as a backup, or as a toy for my daughter) is exactly where my Amaze is headed. Not because the specs. of the phone, but because of HTC's inability to resolve the issues on their own and HTC's lack of development community support, obstructing said community from mitigating outstanding issues.

I like a phone that I can count on, and that works as I need when I need it. I hold no loyalty to any phone or manufacture. If that makes me a fool, so be it.
[HTC Amaze 4G] Krazex2005:
The amaze is not outdated. It's a pretty good hardware
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
No company (samsung/lg/htc/motorola/etc.) Has to have community support for all of their phones. hell for ANY phone. sure it helps but by no means do they have to. yes yes ''android is open source'' but at the end of the day the company is going to do what its going to do. if samsung decides to not post the source or any of tht jazz for the galaxy s4 thats their decision. it doesnt outdate the phone.
[HTC Amaze 4G] PitbullVMX:
Which one of these problem of the Amaze is that bad? Battery? Every phone battery isn't where people want it to be. Backlight of the buttons on the bottom bother you? I don't get it. It's people like you that want something that's the newest out and perfect right? You will never reach that destination cause every phone has issues and something new comes out every month. The problems are minor and are shared with at least ever other phone I had. Nexus one, mytouch 4g, LG g2x and now the amaze. The amaze is a solid phone, plain and simple. You are upset over whatever problems you think aren't common with most of not all these android phones. Correct me if I am wrong.
[HTC Amaze 4G] adslee:
Nah, the Amaze isn't outdated, the phone itself just has a lot of problems.
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
every phone has alot of problems.
[HTC Amaze 4G] Diogenes5:
If the One X had a microSD slot and a removable battery it would be a no-brainer. But the Amaze was the last HTC phone to have these features and some people still want them. The One X and One S are sexy, but people like android for the extra power and features. Both phones are too much like iphone pigeonholing you into a non-removable battery and constrained memory (and at least the Iphone has versions with more storage).
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
not to mention they lack a physical camera button. usually the lack of a physical camera button is a deal breaker for me.
[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
The Amaze is the first phone I've had that kills batteries. So far it has destroyed 3 OEM batteries, sent directly from HTC. The phone will shut off when there is anywhere from 90 to 40% battery remaining, on any of these batteries. HTC's answer? Turn off wifi, and turn screen brightness to lowest settings. Funny part? Their advice doesn't even work.

Anyone who has not had battery issues with the Amaze likely does not use their phone outside their home or office very much, and certainly hasn't traveled to, and used their phone in, Europe -- where for some reason my new batteries always seem to start reporting errors, and starts randomly shutting off -- until I get a new battery.

The Amaze still has great specs, but is a red-headed step child in HTC's view. The Amaze is anything but a solid phone.

My Mytouch 4g had issues, but nowhere as bad as the Amaze. It still has its original battery, and my wife is using it without a major issue since the latest tmobile rom (IIRC, it was a leak). The Galaxy Nexus works well, and is my current phone -- Lower specs than the Amaze, but at least a solid usable phone. My nexus one always worked when I needed it to. Hell, even my MyTouch 3g and G1 were more reliable phones.

The Amaze is demonstrably worse in many areas than other phones. Just because more deficient phones exist doesn't make the Amaze any better. The phone is not inexpensive, and no excuses should be made for its shortcomings.

Do I expect perfection? Of course not -- but I do expect a phone that works better than the Amaze.

If you're trying to say than I'm not an HTC/Amaze apologist, then you're right. If you're trying to say I have unrealistic expectations, then you couldn't be further from the truth.
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
from everything youve said you do sound like you have unexpected expectations.
[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
"Unexpected", maybe -- depending on what you "expect". "Unrealistic", certainly not.

The HTC Amaze is the Pinto of smart phones. There were many Ford Pinto fans and apologists, despite its shortcomings -- but fandom did not change the facts. The Amaze and the Pinto were/are lemons.
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
In YOUR opinion.

Also, if you dislike the amaze as much as you do, why havent you gtfo these forums yet?
[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
Seeing that my "opinion" is based on facts, with no emotional attachment to my old phone (other than the string of swearing that ensues after it shuts off, drops a call, overheats in my pocket, etc.), it's more of an observation of reality.

Does criticizing the Amaze automatically exclude me from taking part here? I still own the phone.
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
your facts were that the phone has problems and poor support from htc. that does not mean that the phone is outdated. it just means that the phone has problems and poor support from htc. get what im saying? Of course you dont.
[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
Support for a phone and issues with a phone directly affect the phones usability. A phone with great specifications, but lacking support and stability, can easily be considered outdated. The same can be said for any of the servers in our data center.

I'm sorry if my criticisms of the Amaze are offending you. Please read through my posts, and I think you'll find I've not personally attacked you, or anyone else (sans HTC), at any point. Is there any reason I shouldn't expect the same from you?
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
I'm done with this conversation as its getting nowhere.

To any new readers: phone is far from dead. it wont have the same support that a new phone will have but by no means is it outdated. Enjoy your phones.
[HTC Amaze 4G] PitbullVMX:
Lol. Those issues aren't normal. If it is THAT bad, get a replacement cause you got a lemon. Judge the phone when you use one that isn't cursed. My battery can be better, other then that, the phone is better then all my other phones. I'm happy with it. Is it perfect? No.. but no phone is.
[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
I'm actually on my second Amaze. If the two I've received have the same issues, it doesn't speak well for HTC's quality control.

Many people were happy with the Pinto. Didn't make it any less of a lemon.
[HTC Amaze 4G] PitbullVMX:
Your experience is the exception, not the rule. That's all I'm saying. Quality control? That's harsh cause nothing that ever comes out is without lemons.
[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
Seeing other complaints here, I would say that my experience is far from an exception. Many here have replaced their batteries. What caused those batteries to die so quickly? HTC says my phone is fine, yet batteries keep dying each and every time I go to Europe. Is it the cellular network in Europe putting my Amaze's radio in a strange battery destroying mode? Then what about others here that have had the same issue yet not traveled to Europe?

The only conclusion I can come to is bug in the phone. Hardware or software, the issue is there and has not been solved. May not affect everyone all the time, but it appears to affect enough for it to be classified as a systemic problem. Bad lot of batteries? Possible, but then my Amaze killed third party batteries all the same.

Such an unresolved issue can only place the phone in an "unsupported", and as such "outdated" state. If it's working for you, great! But in no way should the Amaze be suggested as "upgrade" for anyone looking for a new/replacement phone. Couple that with HTCs blatant disregard for the GPL, and you have a phone that should be the scorn of XDA developers and XDA users alike.
[HTC Amaze 4G] amandez:
HTC knows this issue, we amaze users should get a device in place

Sent from my Energized Amaze 4G

Or My Sexy Nexus 7

Yes girls know about XDA

you can thank a girl on here ;)
[HTC Amaze 4G] PitbullVMX:
Yeah, I never went to Europe but I had no such issues. The battery doesn't last as long as I want it to sometimes but that's as far as battery issues go. I havent read every post but your case seems to be the worst. I read a lot of posts about batteries not lasting long. The phone is not outdated at all. You are having bad luck and you feel strongly that the phone is trash, so move on. Doesn't mean the phone really is trash.
[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
And there are plenty of posts about the phone randomly powering off, with a battery error showing after powering back on.

How long have you had your Amaze? How many batteries have you purchased for it? Are you relativity stationary throughout the day, or do you move around town?
[HTC Amaze 4G] smnitro555:
I dont think outdated is the word, as that makes the amaze sound like an old nokia or blackberry. Definetly not the amaze...
[HTC Amaze 4G] PitbullVMX:
I have had it for 6 months and I havent purchased a new battery for it yet. I was thinking about getting a new one from HTC though cause like I said, it doesnt last as long as I would like sometimes, but I make it through the day.
[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
It sounds like you'll have the problem eventually.
[HTC Amaze 4G] rustyxj6:
I've had about three different Amaze phones and no battery problems so far. My main Amaze has traveled with me all over town and even took it down to Mexico. I took it to Veracruz in the middle of summer. For the people who have not been there think very hot, tropical steamy weather and well it's Mexico. However no battery issues for me. Had two Amaze actually one for me and one for my wife.

The Amaze plus sygic GPS performed wonderfully got me around town pretty accurately. After that abuse I took it to an old dusty Mexican town were only the main road is paved, you can still see houses made out of mud, and it's hot. Again no problems whatsoever, even got a signal from Telcel.

On the flight down to Mexico I used it to listen to music all three hours and the battery was fine. My previous main phone a Droid 2 would not last that long.

Now I'm not gonna sit here and say that the Amaze is perfect because it's not. Battery life does suffer when it's used heavily. That's to be expected however with the all the advanced features that it packs. Also the charging port does not seem to like to play nice with some chargers. Also the light bleed issue is a bit annoying.

However IMHO it's pretty well rounded phone and not outdated at all.

Having a bit of knowledge about Lithium Ion batteries I have my doubts that an Amaze can destroy them. Maybe HTC got a bad batch of batteries which I have seen before. Years ago I had two identical Samsung flip phones that both had their batteries go bad within months of buying them. The batteries got fat in the middle and would not old a charge for long. I took it to Verizon and they claimed that it was water damage. It seems to have been an issue with the batteries because I was not the only one who had that issue.

However the official answer from Verizon/Samsung seemed to be water damage. The front sales clerk quickly diagnosed it as such. I told her that both phones had the issue and that none of my prior phones ever had that issue. She eventually it gave it to the tech and he replaced both of them. I was not about to pay $40 per battery when it was obvious that it was a manufacturer issue. After that I never had a problem with them.
[HTC Amaze 4G] KnowledgeBroker:
At least it is all screen, no bezel.. and they didn't use cheap paint that flakes off after 2 days owning it(I'm looking at you Samsung!!!)

The amaze is still top of the line hardware wise, and software wise it is finally coming into its own.. since aosp is almost totally fixed, people will be happy soon.

IF the next generation of the one x is a true upgrade in specs instead of a duplicate of the amaze, maybe then it will be worth an upgrade.. but in case you haven't noticed, they are trying to avoid giving us quad core because there aren't many ways to currently upgrade hardware after that..

Don't support new devices unless they ACTUALLY make REAL improvements.. they will keep rebranding devices if dumbasses keep buying them(the one x being same specs as Amaze, the iPhone 4s being the same as iPhone 4 besides having both radios, etc)..
[HTC Amaze 4G] Dark Nightmare:
Calm down, damn, lol.
[HTC Amaze 4G] billteeth:
No, not out of date by a long shot.

Since installing CM9 I think the Amaze is actually ahead of a phone like the Galaxy Nexus that still gets a lot of respect these days. I know it's not Jelly Bean, but my Amaze with Cyanogenmod finally super zippy and battery conscience.
[HTC Amaze 4G] gaww:
I may be missing something, but I am not aware of a CM9 based ROM with all functions working (GPS, etc.). I have been messing with CM9 and 10 on other devises, but this is my daily phone and I need basic features ALL working.
[HTC Amaze 4G] Dark Nightmare:
The device will get to the fully stable point if people started helping fix the issues and the ones who can't/don't wanna help need to zip it and not be pains to the devs doing their best.

sent from a galaxy you'll never see.
[HTC Amaze 4G] KnowledgeBroker:
Calm down, damn, lol.

..lol.

The most helpful thing right now would be some good logcats and a few people willing to learn a thing or two about how android works. I'm still trying to find all the people who posted they wanted to learn.. but alas, it seems there's only a handful who want to help progress, and most of us are just busy as hell.

We have made some good progress, a few more edits may make data totally stable, and GPS is easy enough I'd think.
[HTC Amaze 4G] eggydrums:
I think im one of those, i wanted to learn but yeah i just changed school and dont even have time to catch a breath
[HTC Amaze 4G] Alarmmy:
My phone doesnt have any problem lol

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[HTC Amaze 4G] KnowledgeBroker:
Not true, verizon and sprint couldn't use LTE with quad core, but both ATT and tmobile would be able to use HSPA+. They could have released quad core for two carriers, and dual core for the other two if they were unwilling to lose LTE(as many of their devices don't have anyways). This post covers many of the points of the argument pretty well- http://androidandme.com/thread/sgs3-dual-core-s4-w2gb-ram-vs-quad-core-exynos-w1gb-ram/

Do you consider the differences between the SII and SIII worthwhile, or mainly just a bigger screen?

We can use the international version of the SIII just fine on tmobile, and I THINK it is the same on ATT.. so don't assume that my point is useless when the company(ies) made a choice- to not provide quad-core. At least ATT and Tmobile both had no reason they couldn't have a quad core one-x and quad core SIII.

You watch, the next US generation of smartphones will introduce quad-core, but I doubt that they will be on par with international variants. We will likely end up with rebranded versions of the international devices a year behind, with slight differences..
[HTC Amaze 4G] WellTrainedVC:
"The most helpful thing right now would be some good logcats and a few people willing to learn a thing or two about how android works."

Count me in.... I could absolutely use a positive, time consuming task!
[HTC Amaze 4G] Alarmmy:
AT&T has LTE and HSPA+, if they release the internal version, then who will use their LTE? Customers will most likely go for quadcore and HSPA+. Therefore, they wont hurt themselves by releasing different phones for LTE or HSPA+,they just simply go with LTE. The next quadcore generation will support LTE, we have to wait until that.
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
I dont see the point of quadcore phones. Hell i barely see the point of dualcore phones. the hardware is far exceeding the software.
[HTC Amaze 4G] Alarmmy:
Dual core is useful for gaming and heavy tasks. Its advantage is noticable. I couldnt play NOVA 3 on my galaxy S 4G, it was very low frame rate and frozen easily. However, that game runs smoothly on my Galaxy S2.

I agree with you that quadcore is not necessary at this time. However, it is technology era, everyone wants to own the latest tech even though they dont even use up 2 cores.
[HTC Amaze 4G] KnowledgeBroker:
Dual core works a specific way, when there is more than one task that needs processor, like watching a movie.. one core will decode audio, one will decode video(perhaps this isn't the best example, not sure how the GPU factors in), each core will use less power than one core would to do the exact same thing, and there will be better performance. The quad core chip, if I read correctly, actually has 5 cores. One is very small and is used for background tasks to improve battery life, while the four cores will be used for intensive needs. Games will easily take 3+ cores, and use less power(if they don't have to fully turn on) and provide better performance than a dual core chip could do.

At least this is roughly what a lot of the articles I've read had said. But I'm sure someone will come in and tell me how wrong I am like I just insulted their jesus or something.
[HTC Amaze 4G] brainbone:
My Amaze is patiently waiting for that day. Until then, my Galaxy Nexus will be my daily phone -- (I do miss the camera on the Amaze, but I'm now addicted to JB).

Heat degrades Li-ion batteries. The Amaze gets hot.

My thinking is that walking around in the bright sun of Venice/Paris/Rome/what-have-you (if screen brightness is auto, it will be at its highest brightness outside on a sunny day), with wifi on for fast GPS location, and 3G/4G operational, along with moderate CPU use, you'll have a hot phone, with a rapidly discharging (read: hot) battery, leading to deterioration of the battery. But, this use should not be outside the normal scope of the phone, and if it does kill the phone's battery, it is a design and/or manufacturing flaw, either of the phone, or the battery.

Possibly. I have another battery from HTC on the way, even though I've already killed three from them (in two different phones), and another two after-market. The after-market could be chalked up to cheap batteries, the OEMs could be a bad batch -- perhaps a fourth OEM battery is the charm?
[HTC Amaze 4G] Ebonyks:
Have you experimented with alternative kernels and lowering the core voltage of the amaze? I used to have problems with it overheating, but find that the latest generation of roms (such as speed rom) has effectively fixed the issue.
[HTC Amaze 4G] juanperez1:
I know this is not the place but I recently bought an amaze and do have battery problems, but I think its all related to the ICS update, because prior to this phone I had an HTC EVO 3D flashed to cricket that worked really good in GB and after the ICS the battery sucked way too much which ended up in me selling the phone and being almost on the same boat, if anyone of you could help me out probably its the same issue

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1849303
[HTC Amaze 4G] KnowledgeBroker:
I have made plenty of posts recently about serious ways to improve battery life, what aftermarket batteries to get, etc.. plus there's plenty more in the bible in my signature. ICS can have more than good enough battery life, and if you get a spare battery it becomes a moot subject.

And as the last person said, you probably have an anker.. the battery % for the top 10-20% isn't what is important, the overall life of the 1900mah anker battery is always larger than the stock battery.
[HTC Amaze 4G] juanperez1:
Actually I did read your bible and that's were I got the idea of going to recovery and wiping battery stats ect I don't have an anker battery its just the stock one, my question is I had everything off and my battery still keep dropping in sleep mode?? that's my concern on idle my phone keeps eating battery for some reason
[HTC Amaze 4G] KnowledgeBroker:
Then look thru recent posts since I've recently answered that too.. basically get betterbatterystats app on Xda or reflash the ruu before flashing rom.. the latter worked well for somone named paperwastage if you want to find his thread
[HTC Amaze 4G] juanperez1:
The only thing I guess I can do is use betterbatterystats first and hope that it finds something, not sure how to use it but will read on it, have to find the culprit by looking at my battery status pics seems like the cell radios is causing the drain right?
[HTC Amaze 4G] Dark Nightmare:
All of you arguing pointlessly seem to forget the main reason behind why devices are watered down to dual core when the international versions are quad.

The main reason being Qualcomm that hold the patents and rights on certain U.S. bands and modem types, if U.S. providers used bands like Eurpeans or at least got Qualcomm to give access to the monopoly they hold on those modems then companies can give way to international devices, but the only current option companies have to let international devices run on U.S. bands would be to have a Qualcomm modem along their chipset which would do more harm than good, so instead of all that bs they just use a Qualcomm chipset overall, which obviously only recently released their quad core chipset.

#EndRantUntilFurtherNotice

sent from a galaxy you'll never see.
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
Loud noises
[HTC Amaze 4G] gaww:
I have done a number of these (Anker battery and others) on this and other phones to improve battery life. However, battery life became a problem with the OTA ICS with the new radio. Calling seems be be the biggest issue - both with and without calling profiles. In standby, I get practically a flat-line.

Nothing has been able to return my Amaze to the acceptable battery life before on GB and the original radio. So much so that I have considered running the GB RUU to get battery life back and the hell with ICS and JB.

Now if HTC would update just the radio - all would be good (I emailed their support suggestion on that and the silence is deafening).
[HTC Amaze 4G] `Ghost`:
your experience does not mean all. I just got 18 hours on my battery with a very good amount of usage