yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] third son:
Re: [2-21-2013] RDF talk for all you drama QUEENS

Hmmm... Full GB08 rooted and gps locks almost instantly.....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] PanchoPlanet:
Re: [2-21-2013] RDF talk for all you drama QUEENS

+1. :thumbup::beer:

Pp.:):beer::thumbup:

sent from a jellybean filled epic touch.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Mattix724:
Re: [2-21-2013] RDF talk for all you drama QUEENS

GPS works perfect here.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] PanchoPlanet:
Re: [2-21-2013] RDF talk for all you drama QUEENS

+1. :thumbup::beer:

Pp. :):beer::thumbup:

Transmitted from another galaxy with a Jellybean infused P-5113 full of Unicorn porn.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graydiggy:
Re: [2-21-2013] RDF talk for all you drama QUEENS

No GPS problems here. :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Raistlin1:
My phone on GB08 has GPS issues, but it also had GPS issues on FI27. When I first got the refurb my phone locked fairly quickly and it worked indoors. Then it just stopped locking indoors and only locks outdoors and takes a little bit.

After flashing GB08 I was hoping that it would get better but it did not, still has same problems. On a side note my wife's white version locks almost instantly indoors regardless of what ROM/Modem she is on.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Febby:
Updated OP with a little humor and a credit list. :)

edit: Also added GB18 for boost and GB15 for Virgins.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jlear3:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

I follow this more for the title that I do the updates lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] egzthunder1:
Not really sure why you are thanking me but thanks anyways :p

My only hope is that they put USB Mass storage option back in before the OTA drop. Do that and I am sold...

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ravaged Pheonix:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

I never get any op love.

BTW who is this TrayLaunch character?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Febby:
Now that's a new one for me haha

I thank you for being such a helpful admin in laying the law towards the trolldroids. =))

You guys don't have mass storage anymore? eek... that's bad! I hope the JB for the Skyrocket isn't the same. :(
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Febby:
LOL! I meant TrayLunch, much have been the annoying autocorrect. I hate the new samsung keyboard.

I'll show some love for you ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ravaged Pheonix:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Just spit beer all over my phone. Lmao.

Thanks febs. And you can never ever delete that.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

That's hilarious! I never even went down past the links to check the credits!

Funny thing is, not that first time someone has thought that was my screen name.

Bugging up my phone, so you don't have to!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Omar04:
Deleted... Sorry!!!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beremat:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

GPS not locking or taking a long time is a hardware issue. My old e4gt stopped locking after a few months, while my new one locks instantly indoors or out. No amount of flashing or fiddling will fix this.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] egzthunder1:
The option has been gone since FL06 if I am not mistaken... FK23 was the last one to have this afaik.

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] garwynn:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Not hard to re-enable though...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sherbon26:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Download USB switcher in the playstore https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=in.zatta.USB_switch
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graydiggy:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

I kind of like MTP. Its a bit more secure than Mass storage.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

If by "like," you mean "loathe," and by "more secure," you mean "of a pain in the ass," I totally agree with you, LOL! ;)

Bugging up my phone, so you don't have to!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graydiggy:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Yay me!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] egzthunder1:
Oh I know this. But the point I was trying to make is that it shouldn't have been removed in the first place. Why do I have to jump through hoops to get basic functionality on a device that previously had it? That is why I wanted Sammy to put it back in, and not because I can't figure out how to regain it :p

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sherbon26:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Lol sorry didnt mean to question your knowledge just we see so many idiots in and out of here ya never know lmao :thumbup::D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
Here's to hoping Admin's aren't idiots. ;) :beer: (Tapatalk should have a color system at a minimum to ID people..)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Mattix724:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Isn't USB Mass Storage enabled in the build.prop? Just a change of a line?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sherbon26:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

I believe so just change mtp to mass storage? But not positive
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nuxbag:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Typo
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] RayTrue04:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Why is everybody so sprung out on mass storage? Having all the Galaxy's it is safe to say Samsung has removed that option for MTP. What exactly is so bad about MTP? It worked fine on my E4GT, GS3, and Note 2. Plus all your files are accessible from your phone while is hooked up to pc.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graydiggy:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Good point. I forgot to mention the file access when connected.

Everyone on XDA is set in their ways and will complain about anything they can. I am guilty of it myself.

I have a solution. Let's quit whining like toddlers about this, guys. Its not going to make a single bit of difference.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Insane PPC:
just a few things here...

thanks to the rdf team and to sxtp as well, you guys are awesome and the reason i went with this phone! *thumbsup*

also as for GPS, i never could get GPS lock on the phone, with ICS or with the last 3 JB leaks...but with GB08 it is working like a charm now, love this phone and once the last big update comes out i'll be smiling very much all the time with this guy

thanks all
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Mattix724:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

MTP works perfectly on a Windows machine. If you only use a Windows computer then don't worry about USB Mass storage (UMS).

If you use any other operating system like Linux or possibly even OSX, MTP is hit or miss depending on the machine. I've had trouble with MTP on Ubuntu 12.04 on my VMWare virtual machine. UMS was the only solution to access my data.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] egzthunder1:
Inorite? :Cyclops: :p

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] egzthunder1:
Not really whinning, just sharing my view on things and what I would like to see added back before drop :)

In any case, @Febby... You should make the title change a weekly thing :p keeps the thread fresh :)

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graydiggy:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

I didn't take into account that other OS options cause issues. But as said before, it is an easy fix.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] leaderbuilder:
Well put Mattix724, those are some of the other issues (non Win OS's) without native Mass Storage.

I also use batch files to xcopy off the entire contents of my internal and external SD cards to folders on my machine(s) and with out a drive letter you can't easily do that.

Yes, yes we all know about simple fixes as was mentioned but it'd be nice to have it back natively and of course I use them.

Here's to hoping for some new goodies to drop soon. :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Hahah.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] metayoshi:
I don't know about "perfectly", but yes, it works *most* of the time on a Windows machine.

I personally never had an issue with it, but my g/f had issues once when she was trying to copy some music to her phone. It would say that the directory is not writable, or the files are inaccessible, or something to that degree, so it would be a hassle trying to unplug-replug and trying other workarounds to just transfer a few music files. When ICS removed USB mass storage, she was so pissed (she runs stock OTAs only), but luckily, we found a workaround (at least, something that worked for her): never put music on the external SD card, only on the internal NAND. It has worked mostly since then, but, yeah, it's definitely not perfect.

With that experience, and my own personal preference to use USB mass storage, I'm one of those who keeps hoping for a release with native usb mass storage support. For now, it's still just wishful thinking, but I can dream. :fingers-crossed:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graydiggy:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

The device has to be unlocked to transfer stuff to and from it. So if you have a password or pin or lock of any kind, it will be completely blocked until it is unlocked after it is plugged in.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Mattix724:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Maybe Samsung could just add an option in More Settings to select either MTP or UMS. Oh wait... isn't that how it used to be?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] PanchoPlanet:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Radioactively, is that something you catch from relatives?

What color is Inorite? :eek:

Pp.:):beer::thumbup:

sent from a jellybean filled epic touch.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] timacx:
Mac & Windows user here:

I'd either like a return to Mass Storage (even if it's tucked away under developer options) or an overhaul to the Android File Transfer app. It is a serious pain with many basic file explorer options missing. It frequently freaks out when trying to create/rename folders. You can't "select all" with a ctrl/cmd+a. You can't have multiple windows of multiple folders open. If I recall correctly, you can't even cut/copy/paste. It's a mess.

Anyways, I'm just thankful for being able to dual boot to windows. Rooting on the mac is another whole pain for another thread.

But back on topic, thanks the leaks. Hopefully, we'll have OTA JB soon. My wife isn't keen on rooting & the possibility of bricking. I know she'd appreciate Google Now & a GPS that is a bit less hit or miss.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Omar04:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Strangely too quiet overhere, the calm before the storm? Lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TrayLunch:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Only if ST is planning on releasing without pre-releasing it to us again. I haven't seen any builds

Bugging up my phone, so you don't have to!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] oscarthegrouch:
Something someone on another post suggested helped a lot get around the no more mass storage issue. It's not as fast as direct connection but it is free and put together nicely for the uninitiated to use. Airdroid app for the phone. You'll have to have the phone and computer on the same wifi network but you can transfer files and it seems more reliable than andftp. You just have to enable it on your phone, go to your computer browser and enter the posted url and port and password and you're good to go. I like it much better than Kies even though I haven't played with the other features. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sand.airdroid&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDNd Highly rated, 4.8. Can use https if desired too.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Febby:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

I fail to see what this app has to do with my thread in any way. I'd prefer if remove your post and start another thread related to what appears to be a MTP/USB mass storage bypass. Thank you ^_^
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sherbon26:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Sorry man didnt mean to help carry this thread off topic....wont happen again...I am way to addicted to be cut off cold turkey...lmao. Must be all the radiation melting our brains while we stand in line waiting for the next update! :beer::thumbup::p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] oscarthegrouch:
Fine then, be that way. I'll take my ball and go play somewhere else. One less person messing up your post.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] PanchoPlanet:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Feb, Loco en el coco! :eek:

Lol :D:D:D

Pp.:):beer::thumbup:

sent from a jellybean filled epic touch.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tdunham:
No harm done guys. I think Oscar was just replying to Ezthunder's comment on how he wishes Sprint would just keep USB mass storage across builds (are you listening Sprint?). This got way off topic a while ago.

Technically, they can do whatever they want with the test builds. After all, these builds were 'leaked' and we're not supposed to be evaluating them to begin with. ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Febby:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

Lol, sorry, guys. I had completely forgotten about the catter in involving mass storage. I didn't have the greatest day yesterday.

Neighbor has like 7 freaking Chihuahuas that bark all day so I went over told him to either get them to stop or ill call the animal control. Little creatures start at 3 am till 2 am.

USB storage chat can stay I assume. :D I just don't want people to start fighting again with our thread history lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cas8180:
Re: [2-21-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! (Radioactively Disturbed folks...)

GB27 rdf dropped.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Febby:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

Thank you, Cas. I updated the thread. =)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JonSCSL:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

Wow! So much for that OTA any time soon. They must have some perfectionist working on this JB build.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] t4d73:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

You know what though man my note 2 has it, the gs3 has it, the gs4 is definitely gonna have it lol, so really the only thing left is you guys. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but they are trying to make it just that... Perfect! :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BluesRulez:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

Yeah and didn't I say a new jb rdf is going to drop?

New Rdf ftw..lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
In respect to the new title; I don't wanna shave my pits for fear of the itching afterwards.. :eek:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Stryke_the_Orc:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

Call it blues, when's the ota? LOL j/p:p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cas8180:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

I am gonna with March 14th ota drop ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] FitChicago:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

Your neighbors have Chihuahuas that have mastered reversing time (3am till 2am)? That's pretty cool. LOL

On a serious note, sorry you have to deal with dreadful neighbors- a couple years ago I had neighbors who seemed to fight a few nights a week at 3am which would wake me up. I wake up at 4:30am so it was enraging.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sherbon26:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

I would be cool with ota dropping on the 21st thats my birthday and would make a great present...and I am willing to wait as long as it takes for them to get it right cause we all know this is the end for us....so samsung take your time and lets go out with a bang! :beer::D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Stryke_the_Orc:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

Mine's the 18th, excuse to drink for two days straight! LOL

Too bad I gave it up:D:beer:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoHoGalore:
No one likes a quitter! :p (I kid, I kid)

I'm wondering what Sxtp's take on this is. Wonder if there are any grumblings they can share... (grumblings about the reason for what the fixes may be that is)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sherbon26:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

Yeah they are adding multi window and other premium suite apps!....well a guy can dream right? BTW dont worry stryke I will drink plenty for both of us my wife is 2 months pregnant so gonna have one last go round with my old friend patron. Then its gonna be like prohibition in my house lmao. :beer::beer::beer:

Ooooh hey look beer

---------- Post added at 03:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:42 PM ----------

On another note am I the only one who looks at these and really has no idea what they mean? Lol might as well be written in french.:what:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
Then you wonder why ICS is broke like it is.

Went back to GB EL29 rooted and all my issues are no longer there. I will just wait a while to see what comes up in the future for ICS builds and will try again later when I see that Sprint actualy put some effort in this.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cob11341:
The thing that aggravates me is that these bugs are and can be easily fixed in 1,2,3. The fact of the matter is that Sprint doesn't even have beta testers for this, and if they do then the people who have this privilege are too lazy that even a pack of wild orangutans have the higher mentality to see the bugs in these ICS builds. We paid 200+ dollars (some even the 550$) when it came out and for our phone to get thrown around like it was 5 years old angers me. Next time I surely will get the rumored Galaxy Nexus 2 (or whatever it will be called).

Oh yeah btw.....Sprint and Samsung..... Y U NO FIX TASK MANAGER BUG!?!?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Febby:
I think they might be holding back on the FH13 OTA... I just odin back to el29 VIA one click method... I got the FF18 notification. I check the cache folder, it shows the file as EL29 TO FF18... still :P!

I hope they take the time to fix bugs rather than push out another half ass ROM :P

btw OP updated to show the latest RDF FH23..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Apk07:
Hmmm so they postponed the supposed FH13 OTA update for FH23 perhaps? I wonder what stalled them
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
If they did postpond the FH13 release then I pray and pray that its because they will fix the wifi issue(s). Wifi is a huge big deal and if sprints data was worth a damn i wouldnt complain and will be running ICS. I could then live the wifi issue until they roll out a fix. But sprints data just plain sucks and without realiable wifi then its a deal breaker for me.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] garwynn:
Wizard, can you copy your wpa_supplicant.conf from /data/misc/wifi and send to me by PM?

Since I dropped the custom config I've had zero issues with FH13.

Looks all the reboots, hangs... all due to that danged wi-fi config at work.

(I'm not mentioning anything else at the moment because I thought I saw on another thread that you did try the full FH13 root/restore.)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
I can not PM you the wifi file inquestion. Last night I went back to GB EL29 rooted. If you like I can flash to ICS FH13 and see what happens.

Here is what i did to prep the phone for FH13.

1- Odn'd back to GB EL29, once finished I did a factory restore, format usb storage then wiped cache/data factory restore thru recovery

2- Odn'd to ICS FH13 rooted, did a factory restore with format usb storage ( thru menu not recovery ). I did not go thru recovery and complete a wipe cache/data factory restore because of the emmc super brick.

If it is safe to go thru recovery with FH13 and do the wipe cache/data ( factory restore ) then I will be happy to give this a try. Anything to help out

Right now my phone is pure EL29 stock rooted. i do not have anything setup or any personnalizations done. No optional apps or anything. So going to ICS FH13 would be easy.

Here is the ICS FH13 file I used SPH-D710_FH13_CL663858_ROOTED_OC. I got this from your post over at sextapes site.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] garwynn:
That's all you need to do then as it wipes data in the process.

Was thinking it is the wi-fi you may be trying to connect to that is the problem. What happens at another place like Starbucks?

Sent from my SPH-D710
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
If the wifi is open I can connect to it. However I am not having issues connecting. The issue is when the phone goes to sleep the wifi dozes off and never stays/reconnects on wake up. It shows Im connected but really its not.

No matter what i set wifi to it always goes to sleep and never wakes up.

On my end nothing has changed, under GB EL29 all is fine, works like a champ. Not ICS FF18/FH13.

Once my phone is fully charged I will flash FH13 back on it and see what happens. If it does happen again I will grab that wifi file you want and send it to you.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] locoboi187:
Ooohhh sextape....:)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rocket321:
Same here, wifi on el29 is perfect, on ff18 it will not reconnect after wakeup 50+% of the time, and on fh13 it will not reconnect more like 20% of the time.

This is using home wpa2 wifi setup with other devices which also have no problem connecting at all. Something in Samsungs software is not waking up the wifi chip properly in ICS.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
Yes I did alot of testing today on the wifi issue and I found that if you disabled your routers security then wifi works just fine. The minute you use any kind of secury, ie, wpa, wpa2, enterprise or what ever wifi breaks. GB EL29 works perfectly tho. I also have a laptop, HTPC cpu, gaming pc and my old HTC Touch pro 2 and all those works perfectly to this day using router security WPA2.

It is in the ICS software and what ever sprint and or samsung did broke it. It is not a router fault or make/model it is the ICS software.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ravaged Pheonix:
I've never had issues with wifi on ICS. I use wpa2 at home and the enterprise version at work.I've also used wep at my parents house. I've used about twenty ICS roms and never once had an issue.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] locoboi187:
Same here
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
A better question is why you still use a task manager when Google has flat out said that they are detrimental to the android OS.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Omar04:
ICS Built in task manager dude!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ravaged Pheonix:
It's built into touch wiz ya idgit.

Hold down your home button for a second and look at the bottom of the screen.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] scarmon25:
LOL or look in the app drawer and find task manager.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
::facepalm::

No, it's built into touch wiz.

It is NOT apart of ICS, Jelly bean, or ANY other installment of Android.

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Futhermore,

http://www.android.net/forum/android-apps/58045-task-killers-answer-google-developers.html
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Omar04:
Even on vanilla android it have a task manager its called recent app list same thing swipe and close. :facepalm:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Stryke_the_Orc:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

Nah, there's a lot there that either I don't understand or am just indifferent about. I mostly look for changes and pick out what looks good;):p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ravaged Pheonix:
Re: [2-27-2013] SPH-D710 RDF talk! We got no hair on our pits ;)

I'm going with 4/1/13.

But it will be an ICS build.