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[Networking] searcherrr:
BIG QUESTION:

I have not turned on Sprint service on the phone yet and was wondering if Sprint will detect if the phone has been rooted before I try to activate it and then not allow me to activate it?? I am basically wondering if I should wait to root the phone till after I activate it, because I don't want Sprint to ban it, but I also don't want all that bloatware on it either.

Background:

I have kept "feature/dumb phones" ever since I've had Sprint and I've been with the consecutively for more than 10 years with the same "plan" that gives me free 3G internet, but times are changing and while my plan is perfect for me (price and everything else balanced) I'm finally giving in to the data and bandwidth Gods. I find it a shame Sprint or other carriers don't provide a toolkit to customize their phones to how people want them and for the most part I just want my smartphone to be "barely smart" and mostly just a NICE phone with broadband convenience. I don't want to live so plugged in all the time, so a custom ROM seems right.

I have held out for a very long time on getting a smart phone. I don't change phones, but every 4-5 years. I bought a HTC EVO Shift 4G used with a slightly cracked screen (on the edge) and have refurbished it with a new screen and new circuit chip/ribbon cable and I've got it all working nicely now. I'm rockin an old Samsung Rant (slider) and honestly I think sliders are dying, but as long as I can use one I always will.

I have been teaching myself how to root my phone through various posts (the whole past week) on this web site and the only thing I've found that will temproot my HTC Evo Shift is Visionary+ and I had to install it manually since the PLAY market doesn't have it anymore. I'm working on getting through all the various instructions to permanent root it. Then I was gonna load JustWorksTechnology's ROM v2 and hopefully like it and use it bloatware free.

Lastly - I have temprooted the phone, and even then I don't see the option to remove the bloatware apps when I go to manage applications in the regular menu system. Do I find a bloatware/root uninstaller type app, once I'm temprooted, to remove this stuff if I wanted to stick to the stock ROM and just get the bloatware off it? or how else is removing stock apps from a stock ROM accomplished?

FYI - I've gotten rom manager/clockwordmod recovery on it, but I realized before trying that I can't even do a backup ROM to "start the ROM experimentation process" without having full permanent root privileges first.

Sorry if this was a little long. Just figured I'd introduce my highly technical Android and PC freedom forever - SELF. :) 1st post on this site. Yes, I actually did watch the NOOB video. :)
[Networking] MissionImprobable:
To get rid of bloatware you need a root explorer or something like Titanium Backup. Just be aware deleting it may cause issues when trying to get OTA updates.
[Networking] gagdude:
And there's no way for Sprint to detect root.
[Networking] ZoharWeiman:
About detecting a root

Well if Sprint would be able to detect a root at all, then activating a phone or not, it would be detected.

You can either detect a root, or not detect a root.

And to answer your question; "Can I uninstall bloatware from my stock ROM?"

I was about to give a "no", but then I realized something. If you root and use your stock ROM, you can download Titanium Backup (app in the Playstore) and the app will let you delete bloatware. Only if rooted though, obviously. :D
[Networking] sandeep.mjs:
Yes ofcourse, ROOT ALL
[Networking] Vortex969:
Welcome to "Rooting community :)
[Networking] j.kelly:
Posting to root or not to root on XDA is like saying should we legalize weed at a weed distribution center, Anyways you are ONLY gaining functionality by having root and really not losing anything.
[Networking] searcherrr:
I love the responses. :) lol thanks everyone. Well, then I guess activating a ROOTED phone on Sprint shouldn't be an issue. Thats what I needed to know.

1. Well, then what remains is what ROM is best for my SHIFT. Anyone got experience with the JustWorksTechnology one that has very recently been updated? or recommendations of any certain ROM?

2. Do these ROMS include all the default menu system that comes on the phone or do they do away with that as well?

IE: I know the main purpose is of a ROM is to get rid of bloatware and gain performance and a few added features, but will I be missing any normal parts of the menu system that are normally there or do I get all that too with the Android OS?

3. Whats a good Android emulator for me to play around with ROMs before loading it to my phone?
[Networking] MissionImprobable:
You're activating it over the air right, not taking it into the store to have it added to your account? If you're doing it yourself or having them do it over the phone you're good, but if this is something you bought from someone else and have to get put on your line in-store then you don't want to root until after they have it in the system.
[Networking] searcherrr:
But, Titanium Backup (and the like) can't remove bloatware unless you are rooted right?

What type of OTA updates would cause issues? PRI, PRL, Firmware, etc.. ?

I figure you are just saying if it tries to update something that isn't there, there could be issues right?
[Networking] MrObvious:
What the issue could be with a used phone is a bad ESN.
[Networking] WellTrainedVC:
Cheers!

Congrats! Always fun learning something new. Personally I started off rooting with a previously water damaged HTC MyTouch 3G Slide. I eventually ended up with 3 altogether, and as these phones required repair I turned to the XDA community. I couldn't be happier with learning all the in's and out's of working with Android, the various phone producers and the different cell phone companies. So, Cheers! Wish you the best of luck.
[Networking] cajunlibra:
Rooting before activation?

Hello,

I'm am going to take advantage of Sprint's Black Friday promotion to get an SG3 for my partner. He's not very technical but I'd prefer to root his phone so that he can take advantage of Titanium Backup. Do I need to activate the phone prior to rooting it or can I root it first? I know I have to turn it on and enable USB debugging mode. I want to say that when I got my E4GT, I had to activate it before doing anything on the phone.

Is there a non-root method for backup that will back up app data and not require a connection to the computer? I looked at the Ultimate Backup Tool, but it appears to require a USB connection to a computer to work. I like the simplicity of TiB.

Thanks
[Networking] cajunlibra:
I ordered the phone and it should arrive next week. Do I have to activate the phone before rooting it? This would just be a rooted stock JB ROM. Giving him anything else will confuse the hell out of him. If you think not rooting it is better, what would be the best way to backup app data, etc? I haven't really found any non-rooted backup solutions that don't require connecting to a computer. Once rooted, will he have to ignore all OTA updates as well?
[Networking] gus_bll:
Root all your life

Inviato dal mio Desire HD con Tapatalk 2
[Networking] PetrichorXFi:
OTA Block

there are ways to block OTA updates, thus preventing root issues. From when I was researching root for my Motorola Droid X2 last summer, if your phone receives an OTA update and you froze/removed system apps it can brick your phone.

Looking back on that, I question "brick". You can probably still SBF, although probably won't keep your data.
[Networking] cajunlibra:
Can anyone help me with this? The phone is expected to arrive either Wed or Thurs and I'll be heading out of town to see him on Saturday.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] albanezi:
Since I unlocked the bootloader and now have relocked it and gone back to stock rom... I seem to have serious issues with the screen. When I hit the power button to make the screen go to sleep, If I hit the Home key whilst the slider is closed it doesnt wake up, I have to remove the battery and restart the phone. The phone also does not boot whilst the slider is closed!?! Any one have any ideas?

I have a feeling it may be the flex cable but the phone was fine before I unlocked the bootloader!
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] albanezi:
Anyone can help me here?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] cue_32:
Coming from the Galaxy s II LTE, I noticed that the LTE connection is not as great as it used to be from GSII to GSIII. At the same location (my desk at work) I used to consistently have LTE, not I get 4G and if I'm lucky, 3 bars.

Question(s): instead of waiting for the updated modem from Rogers,

1)Anyone flash UCAL based ROMS experience better LTE connection with Rogers?

2)Anyone flash ANY ROM and notice improvements?

3)Anyone try any tweaks that they wouldn't mind sharing that improves this?

I'm thinking of flashing Tuchmi but I'm really considering other ROMs based on UCAL just to see if it improves LTE. Anyone experience anything as mentioned above?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] realist123:
My office downtown at front and bay gets terrible reception.

Yesterday I had my phone running cm10 next to a buddy on stock and we were both only getting 3-5 down and less than 1 up!

Before the s3 I had a blackberry and it had **** reception in my office equipment too.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] colin.hristow:
I am also running cm10 latest version august 17th. Does anyone know what the lte symbol is? I only connect to 4g and H+. Before I installed the ROM I never had access to the network, but I do now after speaking to my provider.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Dx9:
4G is the LTE in CM10
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] blue265:
I really think the antenna on the sgs3 is weaker for both cellular and wifi reception. Once it picks up a signal when you're close enough its alright but compared to other devices I've used such as sgs2 it does seem weaker. And sgs2 was fairly weak as it was IMO.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] noahattic:
Coming from iPhone 4, I would say SGSIII's reception is pretty good to me. Never used SGSII before, I cannot provide the comparison.

I am using the AT&T UCAL based rom on Rogers, got 4 bars consistently. I guess the performance is pretty much the same, the battery seems getting better.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] zexco:
I've heard of people having the same issue coming from an S2 to S3 as well
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
My battery is stuck at 100% and won't go down. Normally I'm not complaining about battery life in this way, but this is really weird. I'm running Paradigm by the way.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] just lou:
Fully charge your battery, then wipe your battery stats in CWM. If that doesn't work, then it's probably an issue with the ROM.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
That didn't help, so I flashed the euroskank cm10 nightly, and I still have the issue. Ahhhh. I don't want to have more issues with this tablet. Any other recommendations?
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] just lou:
Go back to completely stock and see if it works. Then you'll at least know if it's software related.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
I'm now stock unrooted, all set up. I'll run stock for now until the new Paradigm hits. Then, I'll try rerooting. If I run into this issue again on stock then I'll call Google, and probably just return it. I don't really want a third one. BTW, when it happened, recovery would also show 100% as a reading, but would usually go down to 99% after a while, and then when I rebooted, it would discharge at a normal rate, but would never compensate for the weird extra time at 100%. Does this point to a software or hardware issue?
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brahmy:
Is it plugged in? :p
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
Lol no. It says discharging, 100%. But my screen was on for 31 min, and it said that and I'm pretty sure the n7 isn't rated for 30+ hrs screen on time.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
how long was it at 100%? its normal for it not to drop from 100% over a period of time, battery life is that good. heres a screenie from my n7 from yesterday..
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] just lou:
I'm fairly sure 6+ hours with the battery still at 100% is not normal, unless it was asleep the entire time.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
majority of the time, i was busy at work. but, ive seen and some other people have seen 2+ hours at 100% with use. so, depending how long hes been watching it drop, it might be normal. especially since he said he saw it drop in recovery then drop after he booted up.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
As I said earlier, battery was at 100% for 31 minutes of SCREEN ON. Then I rebooted, cleared caches, hung around in recovery for 5-10 min, saw it hit 99%, rebooted, and system said 99%. Like I said, that would mean I could get 30 HOURS of screen on time. NO WAY is that possible.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
that doesnt mean that you would get 31 hours. what you just described is normal and youre freaking out for nothing.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Harry GT-S5830:
Maybe you have a super battery saving kernel :o try just to run it flat, then do a charge while the device is off
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
my first day with the n7.. happy now? i ended up getting over 7 hours screen on time. you cant extrapolate 30 hours from it that way like you were doing.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NeoMagus:
This happened to me too.

After taking it off the charger it wouldn't go down. Now keep in mind my case I had left it overnight and hadn't played with it so I had at least a day in my battery info on 100%. Rebooted, then tried factory reset, all the normal stuff to try and nothing. Then tried CWM wiped everything then even reflashed the ROM and tried a different kernel after going back to complete stock it started decharging finally but now dies at 20%. It just turns off doesnt even shut down, and when it finally gets enough juice to start it would flash a little text message in the upper left "show low low battery logo". I finally managed after flashing CM10 then back to stock and charging and decharging a few times and deleting batterystats.bin from data and pulling the charger while it was booting to get it to realize there was an inbetween 0 and 17% and it sat charging for a while on 0, where it had just jumped straight to 18 but is now charging up normally again, that is where I am at.

I've got like 3 days left on my exchange with GameStop and I'm back and forth whether I should just take it back because I don't have any of this screen lift banter every talks about but don't want to end up with a faulty battery because it only just started here like last week.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
People, the nexus 7's battery is not that good that it can go for hours without dropping 1%!!!

It could be that there is a problem with the battery indicator. That could be hardware or software.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
say that in the trinity kernel thread, i bet just about everyone in that thread will disagree with you.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Even with the best kernel available.

Your saying that a 7" LCD can be turned on for hours without a 4325 mAh battery losing 1%!!!

And that's without system, apps etc running.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
yup. remember, theres no 3G/4G radio sucking the battery juice dry.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] morfic:
Well, flash all stock, and watch the battery meter.

Flash a custom rom with stock kernel and watch the battery meter.

Flash a custom rom and a custom kernel and watch the battery meter, what do you get?

FYI, look at the screen on and total time at 50% battery, i bet you won't have double those time by time you hit 1% either.

You can't look at the first 30 minutes and go crazy over it. That's as bad as watching wakelocks and going crazy over wakelocks before you have an issue, wakelocks are normal and needed.

Stop obsessing, enjoy the tablet.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
After going back to stock, it seems to be working. I'm going to reroot and try a different ROM, and see if it works still...
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Even if there was no processor running. Just a LCD wouldn't last hours at 100% battery
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
maybe so, but it does. i see it every charging cycle.

---------- Post added at 11:38 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:14 AM ----------

from today, just now. 100% then finally drops to 99%. granted, its very light usage, but you said "Even if there was no processor running. Just a LCD wouldn't last hours at 100% battery".
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
It worked during the day I used stock unrooted, but heres on PA 1.97. I call shenanigans. I'm flashing the stock ROM and seeing what happens.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
you only have 16 minutes of screen time, what do you expect? my nexus s went 17 days without a charge with that kind of screen time. reading your other posts, youre like a hypochondriac, only with android devices. USE YOUR DEVICE, YOUR BATTERY WILL DROP.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
Just went to recovery, backed up the ROM, wiped, flashed stock, set up, had about another 20 min screen on, still at 100%. That's NOT normal.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flimsy888:
Holy crap.....run a game like dead trigger for an hour and you will see a drop, 20 min screen on will do nothing!!!!!
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
show me 2 hours screen on time, with 100%, not 16 minutes.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
And not sure what "other posts" you're talking about. If you mean the other ones from this thread, then that makes pretty much no sense. When I got my tablet, using the Paradigm ROM, it drained normally, but gave me good battery life, especially with Trinity. I'm not a hypochondriac. I just know when there's an issue using common sense. If you want to tell me I'm wrong, then great, but newsflash, I WANT my N7 to work properly. I'm not looking for excuses to return it. Geez.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flimsy888:
Simms is just trying to help if you don't want this, then leave xda.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
Generally when I post a question, I do want help, and this is no exception. I just disagree with his answer, because based on the evidence, it doesn't fit. Sorry.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZeDestructor:
did this a while ago before JB got released on my Nexus S:

If I had disabled TiBackup schedules, it wouldn t lasted quite a bit longer.

All in all, it just shows that you usage affects battery life most of all, so quit whining.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
just so that you understand how tegra3 works.. it has 5 cores, yes 5. 4 performance cores and 1 low power companion core. this is besides the fact that you arent using your device at all. use it, then give us screenshots. and other posts as in with your galaxy nexus. anyways, here is a video and some info about your 5 core tegra3..

video http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=R1qKdBX4-jc

info http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/tegra_white_papers/tegra-whitepaper-0911b.pdf
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
I hope you're right. I'm playing some dead trigger and will report back! Hopefully this is just awesome battery lol.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
THERE WE GO. Played like 10 min of dead trigger and it ended up at 97%. So looks like the battery is just that good, but my main device is the Gnexus, so no big shock there. Thanks for your help. I'll see if it holds true on Paradigm as well. My guess is that the battery has a "hump" to get over at 100%, and drains faster afterwards, but maybe not.

And sorry for accusing you. I really did think you were wrong though. I didn't think that it was possible but I admit I was wrong.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flimsy888:
A thanks will clear every thing right up ;)

Sent From My Nexus 7- Corrupted by Trinity
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amphibliam:
You each get 2 lol.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
it will hump over 100, then drain a little quicker. but it is that good on the battery too, especially when its idling.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] morfic:
Something to expect with light usage.

Doesn't feel like there is a hump after which it drains faster.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Salty Wagyu:
I had the battery stuck at 100% last night as well for the first time. Stock ROM and stock recovery. It was charged up and left unused for most of the day, then went to bed and did 20 minutes of Google+ and browsing then watched a 20 minute TV episode on it, battery was stuck on 100%:

Thought this was odd, so I put the charger in, said fully charged. So I rebooted it and waited a minute or two, then eventually it dropped to 99%. Obviously this is inaccurate but by the time I woke up next morning it was 82% (overnight drain is usually 5%) so it must have caught up.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
thats a lot of overnight drain. i bet you your device didnt enter deep sleep, and was kept awake by one of those apps(probably g+).
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Salty Wagyu:
Possibly, but was implying that the "82%" could already account for the hour of screen time I had the night before when it was stuck at 100%. I already optimized my tablet a few days ago to reduce the amount of wakelocks/alarms shown by BetterBatteryStats by freezing facebook/ebay and turning off Maps location services.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mungulz:
92% left

24 minutes on battery.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fellowhoodlum:
I have the same problem on my nexus 7 too. It stays at 100% for hours despite regular usage before it starts dropping. Once it goes below 30% the device shuts off and is not able to be restarted until I plug it into its charger...
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davet111:
I have the exact same problem. Did you find any kind of resolution?

I'm not rooted, running stock.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Changopelon:
Mine as well, except mine gives me the 10% warning when my indicator says 60% and at 52% it shuts off. Trying fix number 4 at the moment.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vvatermelon:
Any one still having this problem?

Here is a screen shot.

*note: finally dropped to 99% 2h screen on
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funcrusher:
Had the same problem. The next time it dies, plug it in and charge it to 100% with the unit off. That alone may do it, but I actually did a full discharge again, then charged it again to 100% (with unit off). Haven't had a problem since.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IINexusII:
just leave it on battery until it is completely dead. then charge it up again. do that a few times and it should stabilize the battery stats
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] najaboy:
Once should suffice if it is the battery's internal fuel gauge that's off. Doing it multiple times will negatively impact the battery.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tone_Capone:
I'm running into the same issue.

I've done one full discharge (it actually discharged to 0% before turning off), then charged the device while off, and no dice. Then I did a factory reset of my rom, did a regular charge, and no dice. I'm going to try another full discharge and charge while off to see if that will help.

The only other thing I can think of is doing a full flash back to stock (relocking the bootloader), and seeing if I see any results. Besides that, I'm lost on how to fix the issue.

Has anyone else successfully fixed the issue? If so, what helped you?

Thanks in advance!