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[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
Hey Franco, you know how you release builds for mako such as rc2 and r666, do you release builds like that for grouper?

Thanks in advance :)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] osm0sis:
You mean test builds? He has before, yes.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
Yes that's what I meant :) and I was just wondering because there have been lots recently in the nexus 4 but I haven't seen any on the nexus 7 (not complaining)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] osm0sis:
Just depends on what's being tested at the moment, I think. GN used to get them for wifi, N4 is getting them for autotune interactive.

It would be cool to get a few here with the different proposed solutions for the stuttering, to see which works best, but of course that's Francisco's time and effort.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] ktkr:
Just out of curiosity, could the random lag be caused by the variant of the chipset? I saw some discussions about this in other kernel threads and perhaps it's really not all chips are created equal?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
I think that would have an effect but not a major one, it is mostly only caused by the governor control settings that you use, I have changed most of the values and now I have no lag at all :) Just search for UBERS settings in this thread.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] hotrodwinston:
No errors it just does not show the network - its a standard android limit - needs drivers in the kernel - cm includes them
[Nexus 7 Original Development] jazzespresso:
where's the post? can you post here in detail what I need to do or how to setup settings? once I have it, I will try and report back to you!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Gspin96:
Good :). I'd like to report this to CM developers, do you think it's worth? Also, can I just add a post at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2050821 or do i need to submit a report at their bugtracker?:silly:
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
I watched a YouTube video earlier, about 1 hour 2 minutes with Franco (actually pronounced Frank I found out) chatting with the guys at android authority. I had exactly 0 stutters. I am finding it sometimes with playing worms 2 though, I'm trying to monitor it using the flying monitor from system monitor by Christian Göllner. Its so rare it happens I haven't been able to see it happen when actively trying to.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 Original Development] gpzbc:
I am a total noob when it comes to kernels, so I would greatly appreciate the link along with some instructions. I am running Franco kernel right now but I feel like it could be better with a little tweaking. Thanks in advance for your help.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] bagl0312:
In previous versions r50-r60 I had problems with rebuffering of audio when listening to streaming radio with TuneIn (problem which was not present in the r47).

I found now the time to do some test with r61 and it behaves exactly like the previous "50" series versions: I have rebuffering every ~1 minute when the screen is off.

Everything is default (interactive governor, cpu settings, etc...)

I tried also "Wi-Fi PM_FAST" but nothing changes
[Nexus 7 Original Development] fozzie:
I've just tested on mine (default settings, except GPU on 520) and I don't get any re-buffering on TuneIn with the screen off.

Seems like an issue on your side; networking/bandwidth or something.

What are your Advanced WiFi settings?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] bagl0312:
So, I did some further checks...

it seems the problem is related to the specific stream of the radio I was listening to.

In particular the radio is "Radio 24" (an italian news radio).

The default stream chosen automatically by TuneIn seems to be "48 kbps flash". Choosing by hand the other stream "48 kbps AAC" the rebuffering problem disappears.

What is strange is that the stream "48 kbps flash" does not rebuffer on stock kernel and on Franco Kernel versions <50

So probably the real problem is not related to wifi, but it is due to a different CPU usage required when decoding "flash" radio streams.

Do you think this hypothesis makes sense ?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] alonsoch:
Works great franco!!!!

One question...? Lazy governor??

Thanks!!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
I've been using these settings since the day after r61 was released and I've had no YouTube lag :)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] carlos9545:
antutu tried a lot of times then i use other kernel and the stock.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
Basing your experience on a kernel with how high bench mark score is as good as comparing how much fun you have in life with a 22" **** comapared to any other. Impressive number yes but also completely pointless. Such is the relation as to what you are implying.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] hotrodwinston:
That is by far the best way I have ever heard that put - can I quote that in my sig? Scratch that - you need that in your sig and Franco needs it in the op! Lol!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] williamlaw:
Why only less control in my governor control ??

ver. 9.3.1
[Nexus 7 Original Development] kendallc123:
I believe it only has those few options if you're running ondemand
[Nexus 7 Original Development] williamlaw:
Thanks !!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] alonsoch:
perfect!! amazing kernel!! just one thing.......... lazy governor?? is more friendly whit the battery..... i think so.... what you think?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] stranger97:
does this work fine with paranoid android rom and if after flashing this kernel if i again flash the paranoid android rom will franco's kernel get replaced??
[Nexus 7 Original Development] poondog:
That's a great idea

Yes it will work.

After flashing the ROM again you will lose the kernel. So basically here, whatever you flash most recently you will have
[Nexus 7 Original Development] stranger97:
thanks a lot for the info will flash the kernel today itself :D
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
Yeah sure carry on no worries:thumbup:
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Bobtehblob:
Still just not feeling it, just the occasional choppiness. Anyone got some pretty sure fire settings that will keep everything smooth?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
I've had no lag/stuttering at all since I've used these settings and I still get 2-4 hour SOT at 100% brightness

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] ajayshah95:
I think you'll find it does have a point, a pretty big point... :p
[Nexus 7 Original Development] qaz2453:
I'm still getting a lot of YouTube lag :(
[Nexus 7 Original Development] SGWUser:
Me too, pulling down the notification bar/quick settings/rotating the screen seems to be a little workaround, because you put the CPU to a higher clockspeed.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] osm0sis:
Hmm, g_h_l 95 is actually less aggressive than the ones I proposed. [MENTION=4953615]nexusmaniac[/MENTION] does the stutter come back when you raise target_loads to 85?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
I'll change it now and get back to you asap :)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] alonsoch:
youtube works fine for me!!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
Just over 30 minutes of YouTube and none of the 3 videos I watched had any stuttering, with the target_loads at 85

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] osm0sis:
Perfect. 85 should be a bit better on battery than 80. So really the only difference from the defaults now is the m_s_t at 30000 instead of 45000. :laugh:

Edit: Oh and 1000 MHz h_f; I was thinking of the winners which also had that. Okay next experiment. Now lower h_f to 760 MHz. :D
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
I'm gonna try the h_f at 760MHz and I'll see if the stuttering comes back :)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
R61 battery life is amazing even at 100% brightness with moderate usage e.g. YouTube for a couple of hours and music the rest of the day with some xda and angry birds

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] hotrodwinston:
Never got an answer to my question - is there any way to add ad-hoc WiFi support with Franco kernel?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] brfsa:
You need a ROM that supports ad-hoc Wifi, for example, Slim rom now supports it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2032725
[Nexus 7 Original Development] combatdeity:
h_f: 1000

g_h_l: 85

m_s_t: 30,000

These settings seemed to sort out any stuttering in youtube for me.

Cheers to everyone who helped figure them out.

EDIT: Scratch that, experienced a massive slowdown even pulling down the notification shade.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] osm0sis:
Yeah I was skeptical that tunables could fix this. It's all just workarounds to ramp more aggressively and doesn't address the real problem; which seems to be the hotplug driver somehow getting stuck on one core and the lowest frequency regardless of governor.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] drose6102:
Running this except h_f [MENTION=919381]760[/MENTION]

I can watch YouTube with minor stutters and it isn't much of an issue. This is after a full wipe; factory reset and system wipe running eos nightly 66 with r61.

Are you experiencing the slow downs so bad that it takes a few seconds after hitting the power button for the screen to turn off?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
I personally think there's more to it than just the interactive tunables, we also should to look into the hot plug section and getting creative between them and looking matching some values, like matching target load to high load threshold so I've made both 85. I have also lowered min sample time to 30k and I have lowered medium load threshold to 20.

Changes summarised;

target load 85

min sample time 30k

medium threshold 20

Full settings, gov control

15/95/760/30k/30k/85

Full settings, hot plug

85/20/50

Perhaps a few other guys can test who have any stuttering problems.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
My target load is at 85 and the medium load threshold is at 25, other than that my settings are the same as yours and I get no stuttering :)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
I think there was a couple of other guys who said they were still having problems, iv found it very hard to reproduce in a constant way so I'm just throwing out another suggestion on top of what you and Osmosis talked about yesterday
[Nexus 7 Original Development] combatdeity:
Not sure, but the refresh rate of the notification shade pulldown was below 1 fps for sure.

Felt like enough lag to cause that easily.

It's seemingly random as to when it happens.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
Can you try the settings I posted a little further up the page and report back in say 24 hours if you find any problems with the stutters or lag?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] hotrodwinston:
I'm using CM10.1 -it supports ad hoc - but I lose ad hoc if I use Franco.

That's why I am asking about it.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] brfsa:
Than that means Franco kernel does not have ad-hoc (IBSS) Wi-Fi support. (from search on this thread)

When I was on m-kernel with Slim I had it working, but since switching to Franco kernel I did not use ad-hoc yet so I didnt notice the lack of IBSS.

Francisco Franco, could you add Ad-Hoc? please...
[Nexus 7 Original Development] combatdeity:
When my Coursework deadlines passed ill give it a try.

Cheers
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
Hey Franco, you now know that you implemented OC to mako even though you said it wasn't coming, will OC ever come to grouper? (Not asking for it, just wondering)

:)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] Bobtehblob:
Will give these settings a go tomorrow and will report back tomorrow night.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] osm0sis:
He said no pretty recently. It's one of those things though: it's never coming until it comes. ;)

I'd say at the very least I wouldn't hold my breath for it before grouper reaches Milestone 1.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] killswitch11:
Don't know about anyone else but I'm getting very laggy performance out of r61. I just switched from defaults to OnDemand and Deadline on i/o. Seems much improved so far but wondering if something else is going on.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] ÜBER™:
Use interactive.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
Cool, after lots of YouTube videos at 760 MHz there had been absolutely no YouTube lag whatsoever :) I think these settings have definitely the stuttering

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] osm0sis:
So the only difference is min_sample_time at 30000 (vs. 45000 in the current defaults) and maybe input_boost 1 (since I can't check if that's on by default or not right now).
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
Input boost is 0 by default. I have experienced absolutely no stuttering of any kind since I moved to the settings I posted last page with target load at 85 and medium load threshold at 20.

So for a full recap in easy to find way

Gov control

15/95/760/30k/30k/85

Hot plug

85/20/50
[Nexus 7 Original Development] ia397:
i have a problem with my Nexus 7 32gb/3G , Rom :CM nightly

OTG was working well but after i installed this kernel .. no OTG :(

plz help because it is the best kernel i've ever used
[Nexus 7 Original Development] osm0sis:
Right! And I'd say maybe 80 -> 85 for both hotplug and interactive since it used to be 90 in hotplug a couple builds back and a gap of 10% between target_loads and go_hispeed_load is about right and probably better for battery. For the record I haven't gotten any stuttering since r60, and I've tried for a few hours to reproduce with a variety of settings, even ones that should theoretically be sh*ttier.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] ÜBER™:
This doesn't break OTG.. Unless stock breaks OTG. I think you mean mounting via OTG, which the stock kernel does not have. Use stickmount. Its on the play store.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
Either 80 or 85 for high load threshold and target load but they should be the same, I'll try having both at 85 now as like you say it will be a tad bit more battery friendly. I think it also helps lowering the medium load threshold at 20 like I suggested to make it easier to keep more cores online as the lags are happening when it gets stuck in single core for a while.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] ia397:
i installed the rom .. and my flash memory is working well (mounting) via OTG

but after i installed the kernel ... nexus feels it but cant read the fm
[Nexus 7 Original Development] yukkio:
Hi, for me ondemand plus row it's smoother than interactive plus row.

Br
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
Why don't you try some of these settings being suggested? Ondemamd will be smoother as its more aggressive. You will also find CFQ or deadline would be better than row
[Nexus 7 Original Development] yukkio:
I tried with your settings above. I thought ondemand was more battery friendly than interactive
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
Just give it a couple of days for your battery to adjust and it will be better with interactive :)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] upichie:
Hey guys, new to this kernel. Is there a dedicated app to tweak the settings? If not, which app is everyone using for it?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
Yes there is a dedicated so on the play store, it's called Franco kernel updater :)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] zaclimon:
There's the updater but there's trickstermod too (this one has a free and paid version)
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
There is a paid and free version of the Franco kernel updater and a paid and free version of the trickster mod so it's up to you, personally I use the paid Franco app

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] zaclimon:
Yeah but you can't tweak anything with the free franco.kernel... If you could tweak with the free version, I would have gone over to franco a long time ago. Right now i'm a bit poor and I can't pay the full app right now.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
OK, but in the grand scheme of things the 5 dollars or £3.45 for the paid version is cheap, it's just like paying for a cup of coffee but it lasts forever :) but I understand because I was using trickster mod for quite a while because I couldn't afford the paid Franco app. So stick with the trickster so if you like it and it works for you ;)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] zaclimon:
Well it's 5.35$ for me (CAD -.-) but I was never too sure if I were to keep franco or try another kernel. Now that i'm fixed, I'll search for some money and then buy it :p. I just have a little quesiton. Is it better to use this over trickster?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Swede2008:
I don't think it matters which app you use. Usually I use Franco's app but for this specific rom trickster seems to play nicer lol

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
In terms of functionality they do pretty much the same except with the paid Franco app you get the free version of system monitor bundled along with it https://play.google.com/store/apps/...iY29tLmNnb2xsbmVyLnN5c3RlbW1vbml0b3IubGl0ZSJd. Its up to you really, most kernel devs seem to have their own app for their own brand of kernel to control stuff so once you settle with one buy it when you know your going to stay long term so you support the dev. The only thing you would have to watch out for is if you use trickster mod and you go to modify the govenor controls some are in different order in the apps so if you copied directly from here you would end up doing it wrong, you just check as you go along and if the values look very different check as you go along.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] zaclimon:
OK I see thanks for your recommendations, I will buy Franco app one I have enough money to support him. :p so far I can see that the ui has changed since the last time I saw it. :eek:
[Nexus 7 Original Development] drose6102:
Ok going with these values. My input_boost is 1 though. What does that do any way?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
I think input boost doesn't really do anything, I think I recall Franco saying to not bother with it but I'm not %100 certain.

Anyways

If you were to try those settings, try 85 as target load (gov control) and 85 as high load threshold (hot plug)
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Bobtehblob:
Did a full restore, then ran these settings for a day. Device feels great but I get the feeling it's more the full restore than the kernel :confused: Will see how it goes over the next few days.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] drose6102:
Running now. I had both at 80 and uptime stuttering almost entirely disappeared
[Nexus 7 Original Development] hochoch:
I tried using stick mount with no luck. Any recommendations? OTG usb worked fine on stock eos kernel.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Gabrieltan:
stickmount work fine for me.. you mean that when you connect OTG, your n7 doesnot have any effect??
[Nexus 7 Original Development] drose6102:
Stick mount worked for me as well. Haven't used it in months but just confirmed it works. Running Eos build 68 and Franco r61

Edit: how do you get rid of that annoying "Usb storage removed. Insert new media" Notification?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] hochoch:
when i connect my otg w/ usb to the N7 it lights up, but when i go into my file explorer the usb storage doesn't register. stickmount says its mounted, but it's not showing up as such in the storage settings.

when i'm on the eos kernel w/ no stickmount it does show up in the settings and in my explorer. not sure what i'm doing wrong if anything?! is there a setting in kernel tuner or something i'm missing?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] osm0sis:
Stick mount puts it in your sdcard.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] combatdeity:
Testing these settings now, will report back if I encounter any stutter.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
Check my post further up the page. I have had absolutely no stuttering / lag with these. I'm editing that post before anyone else quotes it...

The settings I'm using are

Max CPU 1.3ghz Min CPU 204mhz GPU 416

Governor; interactive

gov control; 15/95/760/30k/30k/85

Io schedular; deadline

tunables; 250/2500/1/1/8

hot plug; 85/20/50

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Nexus 7 Original Development] jazzespresso:
so only setting changes are on gov control and hot plug (as you outlined above), and leave everything else default settings in franco app?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] andrewk2x:
Good job here..Thanks!!

Sent from my Nexus 7 with Dirty Aokp
[Nexus 7 Original Development] augure_king:
hi ,I flash aokp +franco kernel

I have little lag on real racing 3 , can i change some freq on franco.kernel app to fix problem ?

thanks
[Nexus 7 Original Development] konradsa:
I can recommend these settings, also helped with my lag. Hope they don't have too much impact on battery.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] slybunda:
is it possible to run stock rom with franco kernel?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] SGWUser:
More than possible :)
[Nexus 7 Original Development] slybunda:
awsome, im hoping franco kernel will give me more battery life when doing things like web browsing and watching youtube videos.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
I wonder what features Franco will bring with future grouper updates, because the features he has brought to the nexus 4 and the galaxy nexus have been amazing so far (and will continue to be great) :)

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[Nexus 7 Original Development] konradsa:
These settings not only removed the video stutter, but made the tablet much more responsive and enjoyable to use. For instance, scrolling a website after initial loading was finished was often jerky and annoying. Now it's much smoother.

I had previously complained on this forum how m-kernel seemed smoother than Franco's kernel, but it was hard to put my finger on something, since I can only run one kernel at a time. But with these changed settings, I'd say Franco's kernel is about as smooth as m-kernel now.

Franco, I think you should make these settings default for your grouper kernel.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] alonsoch:
Hi

Great kernel, just perfect...... i have one question for you? will you put lazy governor? thanks!!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] augure_king:
how about battery life? stock kernel vs franco kernel(whit these setting
[Nexus 7 Original Development] ÜBER™:
If its not happened yet. Its not going to. Now please stop spamming this thread with the same question.

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 7 Original Development] alonsoch:
Uber i think that my question is simple and i was looking for an answer...... So i sorry if my question looks like spam...... I just want know..... Because read that one guy ask the same for the kernel of the nexus 4 and franco say something like maybe i will put lazy....or something like that......... Sorry for my english and please ....... Never say If its not happened yet. Its not going to, you don`t know the future...
[Nexus 7 Original Development] frost_nz:
Its not the question as much as the fact you've quoted the complete entire first post. That's a no-no.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] The Gingerbread Man:
Its been so long since I ran stock kernel I can't remember what it what was like and don't really wanna flash back just to test that. If you look at the tunables you should see they should be relatively battery friendly but the aim of the game was to get rid of video stutterings, remember?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] nexusmaniac:
With R61 I've been getting fantastic battery life at 30% brightness

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