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[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] bitbang3r:
If you want a good proxy and metaphor, compare the support for the Sprint Nexus S against the development activity for the Galaxy S2 and Evo 3D. The Nexus S was officially "open", but nobody could deny it was last year's hardware compared to the S2 and 3vo. The Nexus S didn't exactly *flop*, but its development activity was scandalously lukewarm compared to the other two phones.

The Q will be lucky if it does as well as the Nexus S did.

The GS3 might not be officially "open", but it's about as de-facto open as a phone without the word "Nexus" in its name can get. The biggest barrier the GS3 is likely to face is the fact that the American GS3s collectively have different components than the International models, so we could easily end up with a situation like we had with the Epic/Fascinate/Vibrant/Captivate/Mesmerize, where Samsung refused to release the new version without getting paid by the American carriers, and the American carriers all standing firm & letting their users rot with broken GPS and no Froyo.

That said, the fact that the Q is "open" is no guarantee that Moto will be in any hurry to release new proprietary kernel modules for it 12-30 months from now. Remember, the Hero and Epic had bootloaders that were wide open, but the unavailability of kernel modules compatible with newer kernels needed by Eclair and Froyo left us still stuck and frustrated. The sad story of Android is the fact that HTC violates the spirit and letter of the GPL in the worst way possible by building monolithic binary-blob kernels that literally CAN'T be built from source, but historically HTC's post-Hero phones have tended to have the latest and greatest kernels with full working driver support long before everyone else (besides Nexus owners). Samsung implements proper .ko modules, but doesn't release modules recompiled for newer kernels until it's literally ready to release a new phone with complete Android ROM for the new version. And Motorola has historically just been a **** about it.

So, it comes down to "pick your poison". The Q is open, but has no guarantees it will have driver support any better than we got from Samsung for the Epic pre-Froyo. Remember, it's NOT a Nexus. The GS3 isn't officially "open", but it's about as de-facto open as the Q anyway, and has better hardware. And, AFAIK, HTC is still shipping phones with GPL-violating monolithic kernels that can't be built from source, and ruining their latest phones with undersized fixed batteries.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
What are the odds a new and better slider will come out next year? We waited two years from the Epic. I'm not spending my money so for $88 more I can get a 1yr Contract and have the ability to upgrade next year if there is a better slider coming. Or do you think we'll wait another two years for an upgrade from the Q like we waited two plus years for a replacement for the Epic?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] z31k:
Slow??? Terrible??
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] mattlgroff:
Has anyone rooted it yet? If not I can take a crack at it, providing they are unlocked. PM me if interested.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] gTen:
Reminds me of how a person complains to a CS about BBB and the agent gets scared when in reality BBB is completely powerless.Some agents even think it is a government agency. In reality BBB is an organization that you can bribe to get high ratings and even if you don't, it is not about helping people but the speed you respond at that determiens your rating.

Pretty sure the part where samsung charges for updates was a lie. The problem with the updates had to do with the carriers refusing to use Kies(because kies included ability to tether and free apps, if you don't know samsung gives away a lot of top paid apps for free. Right now they are giving away sonic 4 episode 2 and angry birds space for free. Back then they were giving away full version of Asphalt 5, you know the one the carriers included a trial for to make you pay). Eventually it got sorted out and samsung agreed to develop Kies lite which let people flash phones without the bonus stuff.

Moral of the story: The carriers are looking out for you /s

Wasn't the biggest problem the Epic faced was the RIL? This is why they have been trying to port the Nexus S 4g kernel, and use the NExus s 4g radios. Cause Epic never had a problem booting stuff, the problem always was getting things to work.

As for HTC, the biggest advantages it had in development was there was a lot of prior work done from the Mogul/TP/TP2 to the Nexus which benefited all devices.

As I like to say, development depends on the user base. I remember when I first took up the Epic and people were telling me "Developers won't support Samsung". And where are we now? The Photon Q is close to where the Epic stood back in those days, it depends on people giving it a shot. Development might be slow at first but as more are willing to commit to motorola phones such as RAZR and Atrix it will all benefit from each other's communities. It all starts somewhere.

Within a year a better slider might come out, but lets look at it this way, ever since the Epic do you remember any no compromise slider ever released? Effectively it will be a new slider with missing something :(
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] bitbang3r:
From what I remember, it was the usual "iron triangle" of things that break catastrophically every time Google releases a new version of Android with incompatible kernel & ABI -- 4g/Wimax, GPS, and camera. Circa February 2010 you could kind of use an Epic with Froyo, but half the phone's core features were broken due to the lack of working kernel modules. You could limp along and use it to make phone calls, kind of send/receive text messages (as long as they didn't involve MMS or 2+ parts), and use the browser via 3G and wi-fi, but that was pretty much *it*. I think most of the problems resolved themselves when we managed to rip modules from the Nexus S, but by and large the Epic never had a truly working Froyo until Samsung's official one leaked & we finally got drivers that worked.

<soapbox>It's half the reason why I think we'd all be better off at XDA if we stepped off the treadmill for 6 months and spent some time developing a thunking/abstraction layer that would let us run old kernel modules with newer kernels, instead of beating ourselves up year after year trying to redevelop the same drivers over and over again... drivers that almost never really work right, and ultimately become moot the second a newer kernel gets leaked. If NDISWRAPPER could run drivers written for Windows under Linux, how hard could it be to forcibly wrap a binary driver written for 2.6.xx to work under 3.x.y?</soapbox> ;)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] hellot1M:
I changed up the OP a bit. Idk if anyone even looks at that anymore lol but there you go shabby. Maybe this will help newcomers get a better idea of what's going on. I just listed the two major concerns. Its unlockable and the root method is under construction. With of course your name for anyone willing to provide their computer and device to contribute :)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Ma$etas:
to those that already have the photon q in hand how is the radio (signal) does it have a strong reception .. I currently have the epic touch 4g and im having alot of issues were i get a notification of a voice mail but never received the call nor does it show as missed call other times i call my voicemail just to check and i have about 13 messages Also i can call from my office phone and the call goes through and office phone will ring and ring and my epic touch wont start ringing till the 3rd or 4th ring or sometimes i just missed the call and the phone never rang...

Also want the keyboard im done with this touchscreen typing

I use the phone heavily for work both calls,sms, emails, office files etc...
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
That's been my big rant for a bit. The epic being the only premium slider that went toe to toe with its slate counterparts. Moto and HTC haven't done it. LG hasn't and won't from what we can tell is coming. Samsung's Blaze Q seems more like an Epic 1.5. So 2 plus years later the Photon Q still misses the mark. The Epic was a year after the Moment, so who knows what the actual trend is. We'll see next summer I suppose.

But I'm taking the plunge. Will have it tomorrow afternoon. And as far as signal strength, motos in general have better radios than Sammy so it shouldn't be any different here. Reviews have said as much and blame the carrier for lackluster speed. God forbid the reviewers are in an area that is going through the Vision upgrade.

And someone mentioned it being finicky with cheap microUSB cables. It's all Motorolas as I can trace the same before to the Photon, Droid X2 and Droid 2Global. And its not cheap cables in general. I have the cheap ones from Meritline and they work great. I have expensive ones that are angled and they stink. The ones that make a defined click in seem to be the ones that work, cheap or not. When I sold a Droid X, I included the cheap Meritline cable because it simply worked better. I'll post a link to them when I get the chance.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] inimitableac:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/21/motorola-photon-q-4g-lte-review/

http://www.slashgear.com/motorola-photon-q-4g-lte-review-20243290/

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/0...-4g-lte-review-sprint-4g-lte-with-a-keyboard/
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] gTen:
You know, after reading through that. Something makes me wish the Samsung Relay 4G was on sprint....
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] mattlgroff:
If anyone with the device would be willing to run an "adb pull system C:/SystemPull" for the community that'd be wonderful.

I made a windows program that will do it for you even:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15093625/SystemPuller/SystemPuller.zip
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
I could live with the .3" loss of screen real estate to gain a higher res screen and real buttons (physical/capacitive). 1.5ghz dual core, 1gb of RAM and 16gb of storage isn't shabby. Galaxy Relay isn't enough of a name? They need the S and 4g on there? Can we now just assume a phone is 4g? And I would want to see dimensions and battery size.

And Matt, if no one does it by tomorrow night, I can probably give it a shot. Will have it tomorrow afternoon.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/a4esxp
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] mattlgroff:
Thanks!
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] jefbal99:
Any work on a custom recovery for unlockers yet?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
i need either stock image or kernel source for me to be able to make recovery
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] pwnyourace:
shabby do you actually have this phone or are you just helping out? cuz that is going to excite me like a million times more cuz im getting it next month
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] olegfusion:
who bought the photon q and disassembled it, is there anything about sim inside?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
its a very nice phone, and if i had to give up my gnexus the photon wins over the sgs3/evo lte no doubt, but ive got my gnexus :), im just looking to help :)

with that being said, anyone mind doing

adb shell mount > photon-q-mounts.txt

and uploading it or pastebinning it?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
I didn't go any further than this, but nothing can be seen without removing the battery it seems.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
thats at least a step in the right direction, seems the battery can be unscrewed and removed, not like apple who solders it on
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
It can, I just don't want to screw with the "Authorized" sticker. At that point it's obvious I was in there :P

Should be easy to add an inductive charging sticker from a Palm.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] jefbal99:
How would one go about pulling images from the device via ADB?

I'll try and get them tonight
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
Here's a slightly better photo.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
you need root in order to dump the images needed :/
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] jefbal99:
I was afraid of that...

If the bootloader is unlocked, can anything be done from the stock recovery to flash SU? Typically stock recoveries only flash update.zip correct?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
correct, if this were samsung, kernel source would already be up and i could have a test build ready for ya... but its not :/
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] jefbal99:
Just have to hold out for source or an ICS security hole to root the device from stock to get the needed dumps

Interesting, I tried going to http://sourceforge.net/motorola/xt897/home/Home/ seeing if there was an unpublished site out there and got prompted to login to the motorola sourceforge page with this url - https://sourceforge.net/account/login.php?return_to=/motorola/xt897/home/Home/

Hopefully we'll see a source released soon
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Ma$etas:
anyone think motorola/sprint might do the same thing they did on verizon with the droid razor where they first released the regular one then (dont remember the time frame exactly) shortly after they released the MAXX....

I want to get this phone and about to order it but just wondering if they would do this.. Also can anyone that went from an epic touch to the Q confirm that the signal strength is actually strong, better.. I dont care about no 4g in my area yet cause the whole time ive had epic touch i probably connected about twice
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] inimitableac:
Signals will always be better with Motorola devices
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] jefbal99:
rootfs / rootfs ro,relatime 0 0

tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw,nosuid,relatime,mode=755 0 0

devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,relatime,mode=600 0 0

proc /proc proc rw,relatime 0 0

sysfs /sys sysfs rw,relatime 0 0

none /acct cgroup rw,relatime,cpuacct 0 0

tmpfs /mnt/asec tmpfs rw,relatime,mode=755,gid=1000 0 0

tmpfs /mnt/obb tmpfs rw,relatime,mode=755,gid=1000 0 0

none /dev/cpuctl cgroup rw,relatime,cpu 0 0

/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/system /system ext4 ro,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/userdata /data ext4 rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,nodiratime,user_xattr,barrier=0,data=ordered,noauto_da_alloc 0 0

/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/persist /persist ext4 rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/cache /cache ext4 rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,nodiratime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/carriercust /carrier ext4 rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,nodiratime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/tombstones /tombstones ext4 rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,nodiratime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/modem /firmware ext4 ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/pds /pds ext3 rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,barrier=0,data=writeback 0 0

/dev/fuse /mnt/sdcard fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1023,group_id=1023,default_permissions,allow_other 0 0

I've got access to this device for about another hour if you need anything else
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] wingzeroismine:
I just got my Photon Q today too, I haven't unlocked the bootloader but will gladly try to conjure whatever voodoo you want me to on it. If I brick it I'll just get it RMA'd at work.

Heck... I may RMA it anyways.. there are a couple scuffs on the screen that I found when I removed the sticker it shipped with. Nothing I've tried wipes them away so they must be permanent.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
Anything look worthwhile?

http://pastebin.com/5bU1wTwK

http://pastebin.com/5NLNvpJh

http://pastebin.com/c4FmW7fG

http://pastebin.com/41UAwxEP
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
adb shell ls -l /dev/block

would be nice :)

nice to see its using ext4 finally, however its disconcerning that rescueserver is in there. its a remote access service provided by logmein, think of it akin to carrier iq in the sense that its there with the best intentions, however its a process that isnt needed :/
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
Sorry for the delay, pc went nuts

http://pastebin.com/zEVrWmKb

Here comes the next uprising XD
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name

Mind doing an ls -l on there? Thanks for the help btw.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
Happy to help, you're the one with the know how :P

http://pastebin.com/bv6wKiDq

Update: Fixed

Offer: Would VNC or Teamviewer help you out at all?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
Ok so /dev/block/mmcblk0p31 is kernel and 32 is recovery. That's good to know for when we need to dump stuff :D

My associate prefers ssh and connecting that way so no one watches his work (its all safe I assure ya, just trade secrets)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
Sorry, I cannot comply. I simply cannot allow unmonitored access to my machine (we've all got our own trade secrets ^.~) and while I understand and appreciate the level of paranoia around your associate, if he's relying on SSH to protect his trade secrets on an unknown machine he needs to reevaluate his idea of secure.

More than happy to continue to help though.

--Reading this again, I don't mean to come off as catty or a *****, just trying to bring to light that given root access on my machine I could easily make a wrapper to save it all prior to execution and watch for certain commands and nobody would be any the wiser.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
No worries :)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] wingzeroismine:
One could just make a virtual machine and pass the phone to it correct? Then you can have any OS you want to access the phone with.

With a bridged connection it'll have its own IP address and you could forward a port to it for SSH, thus protecting the rest of your network/computers.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Elixis:
I just tested this phone out at the local sprint store. Even with the on-screen home keys and such, the rest of the screen is the same size as the epic screen, when both phones are placed above one another, so screen size is not the issue.

One of my biggest pet peeves about the keyboard, is that is does not have the back button on the side, like the epic keyboard has. It is one of those keys that we use subconsciously, but is lacking on this phone, causing quite a disturbance during usage, at least in my opinion. Just my 2 cents. Looking forward to a different slider in the near future, but I may settle for this. Time will tell.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
I don't think I ever used any of those four menu buttons included in the Epic keyboard. If I'm pulling the keyboard out, the last thing I want is to accidentally smack the back button :eek:
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
That was and is a pet peeve. Granted the screen tech is nicer, but if you're making the move to on screen buttons, you need to take the real estate loss into account. If they kept the buttons on the bezel, I wouldn't have cared as much. I really don't get the onscreen move if you're not going to adjust phone designs to match. The bottom bezel is big enough for buttons. They could've shaved space off the top and bottom. They obviously didn't use the space to put in a bigger battery so...

The new Relay coming to tmob doesn't have them either. I think most considered the, redundant. My right thumb naturally migrated to the capacitive buttons, but i did hit the back button once in awhile.

Anyone coming from the Epic find the extra key travel a little annoying? It's definitely am adjustment. Still getting used to the different layout. I don't like the caps lock and shift placement. Like the double tap on the shift key for cap lock and the alt key underneath.

And is auto capitalization supposed to capitalize the letter i when used in a sentence? Because i don't believe it does which seems evident in this sentence.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] tetrabyt:
I hated that damn epic so much, I wouldn't even touch another galaxy s device again. As for the keyboard, i chalk it up to learning to how to get used to it. I had the original photon before this. Actually still have the original photon, on the other line. This photon is nice. I'm used to the on screen buttons from using jokers', spleef and thebill ics builds. Had to get used to them too.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
And unfortunately you have to hold on to the og Photon in case you need a real world phone. That is the only reason I have mine. I threw the Epic on the other line and deactivated the Photon.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
I see you're into imports, body building and biking, but find nothing about going overseas. Do you leave the country that often to be so upset about a non-removable sim?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] dbpaddler:
A few weeks out of the year. Others travel as well, and I'm usually the one giving them a phone and instructions to get up and running. In general I'm just a bit of a tech geek, and it's annoying to see bad decisions that are nothing but anti-consumer. The OG Photon was the first one I could just activate on my line and leave the Epic at home, nut it sucked leaving the keyboard behind.

I'm into what? Biking is the only correct one of the three unless you consider my MDX being "into imports".
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] KitsunePaws:
Guess your "dbpaddler" is just used by more than you, my mistake. I've still got my TP2 for when I leave the country so I feel your pain in this "world phone". Perhaps I'll take a peek under the battery tonight and see if there's any hope.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wrongOne:
Hi all,

Running AOKP m6 pretty much naked with only gapps on top and having an issue with my data connection. It appears as though any time I go in an elevator, or in a parking garage and my data cuts out it doesnt come back when moving into a connection friendly area. A restart fixes it and grabs the connection fine again every time, but i'm hoping someone has a better solution.

For reference, used gnex tool kit for unlock/root/cwm flash and am running AOKP m6 (maguro) with the most recent gapps on a galaxy nexus, in canada, through telus.

Thanks in advance,

w0
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wrongOne:
I should note that I still have a signal when the data isnt working. Viewed in decibel power ratio, my phone will show a strong (-80 to -100) dbm signal but will simply time out on anything requiring data (browser, facebook, etc...)
[Asus Transformer TF700] lardo5150:
I thought there was a thread or post that stated how to charge this thing out of the box.

I can't find it by searching now.

Out of the box, what should we be doing?

Full charge, halfway then let drain, etc..
[Asus Transformer TF700] Skullmonkey:
Let it drain (within 2%). Charge fully. Drain again. Charge. Use as usual.

Sent from my Transformer Infinity!
[Asus Transformer TF700] Jotokun:
This isnt necessarily transformer-specific but applies to Li-ion batteries in general. Fully charge (the instruction manual that comes with the tablet specifically says 8 hours), fully drain, fully charge. After the second charge, use it as you want.