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[Nexus 7 General] toker_X1:
Was this written by Apple!

There is no comparison iPad3 is £600 for top spec and Nexus 7 is £200, iPad3 is not 3 times better or worth 3 times as much!

Apple doesn't even have a product to compare to, closest would be iPod Touch.

iOS and Android both have strengths and weaknesses.

iOS is aim at the less technical consumers who needs big buttons, iTunes and want things to just work.

Android is Open Source and is aim at consumers with more technically knowledge & providing the ability for customisation.

I no longer own any iOS devices (previously iPhone4, iPad2) this is because every revision of iOS, Apple has locked that the OS even more.

- Example: you can no longer have direct access to GPU

- My £400 iPad2 cant play 1080p out of the box, iTunes movies are 720p, where as Nexus 7 plays both straight up at half the price.

Also, Apple hardware is old tech (they have never been cutting edge, they are more of a marketing company than tech)

They just take existing tech and put together in a shinny Apple stamped case and sell it to morons who are happy to queues for days and pay 3 times the price.
[Nexus 7 General] CrazyPeter:
What a tool. Save yourself time. You can sum it up in a sentence.

"it's not like an iPad".
[Nexus 7 General] suriya83:
Man. No offense but your "review" sucks... Maybe you are better in some other crap then doing technical reviews.

You compare the nexus 7 to an ipad mini which we don't even know for sure there will be one, but and you are already able to mention how good it will be and what will be the price?

If you want to sound like an expert. Try to root your device, try to download a torrent file while you are browsing and synchronizing some folders of your computer with some of your nexus. Try to put a firewall where you decide what apps can read which informations about you. Try the SwiftKey keyboard, and some nice widgets. Go to your home server folders over VPN or ftp to stream your movie collection.

Do it on your ipad

I will order a nexus 7 as soon as it is available in my country.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
Here's a hint, the Nexus 7 shouldn't be compared to an ipad. They are two very different devices.

Guys, there are some people who will follow the Apple train to the grave. Let him have his review and rows of icons, while you customize and multitask for half the price.
[Nexus 7 General] bigbird21:
Apps: With the Nexus 7 having such great specs, I was hopping to really see what kind of muscle it had while at the same time checking out some great Android apps. I had a very difficult time finding quality apps in the store; made for a tablet. All the basic apps were there: twitter, Facebook, Dropbox, Netflix, kindle, but they all just seemed like phone apps stretched out. This usually results in large blank spaces and awkward buttons that are too big or too small for what they should be. Then the amount of apps is stunningly small. I have heard this before, but seeing it, was still shocking. I didn’t think it was THAT bad. Doing a search for a twitter app gives you maybe 3-4 usual apps, none that I liked. Next I looked for a Dropbox text editor and I found one. This is a category that is flourishing on iOS. There is an insane amount of Dropbox/markdown/iCloud text editors on iOS. Google Reader which I used everyday had a few very crappy apps in the store not including the built-in official Google Reader app in 4.1, which sucks as well.

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anybody know what this notepad/dropbox text editor he is talking about? Why can't he use random text editor and save it to drop box? It's hard to reply since he doesn't clearly say what app/specific feature he is looking for/what is his iPad app list. I thought just about any notepad sync with dropbox these days...

Hell there is one done by xda forumer too.. (Why can't he simply google 'android notepad dropbox'?)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=865456

the store search says 137...(discounting 4.1 filter. but I assume they all work in JB. How much more notepad choice does he need? if he needs something more complicated, he is looking for different tool.)

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=notepad+dropbox&c=apps

and there is 1000 entry for anything related to Tumblr. (I assume he is using notepad to collect material for tumblr, since he is on one) There got to be something in there for his need...

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=tumblr&c=apps

Also, what exact "reader" he is looking for? general RSS? There should be plenty of option than google reader.
[Nexus 7 General] volwrath:
To hate on the back button proves you simply dont understand it. The back button is the greatest thing invented in mobile phones. It is so good that apple is going to add it to ios 7 and patent it and sue google.

I used the back button to switch back after I left tapatalk to open chrome to read your reiew. After I read your diatribe i hit the back button to go back. Not bad since it predates ipads gestures which work almost as well to switch between tasks. Except back has been in android since the beginning.

Also I have an ipad3 that I really like, but its been relegated to the backburner since I got my n7. Id rather take my n7 place than my ipad3.
[Nexus 7 General] Jethro10:
The biggest advantage the Nexus has over the iPad is the price you say.

The biggest advantage the nexus has over anything for my Wife is the weight and size.

Price was not an issue, We can afford to buy 100 iPads if we wanted to and not really notice, yet my Wife chose a "cheap" nexus

Everyone is different, even you. Your review was more "what I think", not necessarily what actually is. I guess the biggest real difference is choice - one thing apple doesn't give you - and I mean more than just the size issue.

Jeff
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
I used to be a fanboy, I admit it, in my case of webOS. I made all the arguments about how webOS had the best multitasking (true), the best data integration in Synergy (also true), the best this, the best that. In some cases, again, true, in some cases not so much.

Then, when even I had to admit that webOS was dead on the vine (in my favor, I realized it sooner than many other webOS fans), I bought an Android smartphone (Samsung Epic 4G). I soon realized that, yes, Android had its strengths (and weaknesses), that it really WAS nice having more and better apps, and that all of those folks who talked about how great Android is aren't really full of crap.

Then, just because I wanted to be able to talk smack about Apple products but actually know what I was talking about, and also because I wanted a nice, high-res screen for ebook reading (and having been burned by the Transformer Prime fiasco), I bought an iPad 3. And guess what? I discovered that, yes, the iPad really is pretty fluid and, while terribly simplistic, I could see how people like my in-laws would find it less intimidating than an Android device. Also, I had some of the same response checking out iPad apps as I had when I switched to an Android smartphone--WOW, there really IS a difference. The quantity and quality gap between the iPad and Android tablets in terms of apps is an embarrassment for Google. And, yes, the iPad really IS built solidly--I still haven't found an Android tablet that feels quite as high in quality (and yes, that's a subjective response, of course).

So, I've finally realized that all platforms have their advantages and disadvantages (except for maybe Blackberry). :D The N7 is better at some things, the iPad is better at others. Same thing with PCs. I was looking for a thin and light machine that boots and resumes quickly and has good battery life, primarily for writing. I've been a Windows guy forever, and really didn't like OS X when I tried it with a MacBook Pro in 2008. But in looking at pretty much every Ultrabook on the market and finding each and every one lacking in one important area or another, I bought a 2012 MacBook Air. And, I'm finding that I like (and hate) some things about OS X vs. Windows, and that Apple really does make an excellent notebook.

My point? It's ridiculous to argue that one platform is automatically or necessarily better than another. The guy posted a "review" that really was just his own opinion on which device he likes better, and so what? We didn't pay him for an unbiased review, and so it's no skin off our teeth. Don't like his opinion? Fine, there are millions of other opinions out there to choose from. Including your own.
[Nexus 7 General] suriya83:
Then let's say he should change the title in "My opinion about my Nexus 7, (from an Apple fan boy)", because otherwise the title is misguiding.
[Nexus 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
It all depends on your use cases.

i had an iPad and an KIndle Fire + Nexus 7 at home. and i actually never touched the ipad at home as i was primarily using the 7 inch tabs.

i read a LOT of news and email and stuff, so having a light and small device is so much more comfortable. I.e. when you are eating, or lying in bed. Having to hold a 10 inch tablet with the weight of an ipad is not comfortable after a few minutes. Also i find it not problematic to surf with a 7 inch tab, neither in potrait nor in landscape mode.

The ipad has more tablet optimized apps, but don't forget that you basically CANT use iphone apps as they look extremely horrible and pixelated. On the Nexus 7 most non-optimized Android phone apps look good. Not grainy, not pixelated. So you can't compare the numbers only based on "how many original tablet apps are out there".

And it's very naive to think that the price is the only deciding factor here. For many people its not.

I would buy a more expensive nexus 7 any day, but i would like to see a better built quality then (don't like Asus built quality).

So i think it is OK to compare the iPad with the Nexus 7, but only if you keep in mind that it fully depends on the use cases of the customer to decide which one of them is better suited.
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
Non sequitur. Perhaps it is indeed incorrect to call a platform "better". That does not change several major points in his review from utter nonsense.

No one's paying me to point this out either; I do it because it's fun/ocd.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
I agree with you that JB/butter still isn't as smooth as iOS, it is by no means a big enough reason to not like the device. the functionality that android has over iOS by far outweigh any smoothness edge that iOS has.

and the lack of a back button on iOS is a complaint i've heard from many apple faithful and a personal complaint of mine as well, back when I was an ipod touch user before my first android device.
[Nexus 7 General] bigbird21:
I for one really believe in comparison. I can be as tedious as next fanboy.

How else can I know if my 'stuff' is better... .eh hmm.

but I have my criteria:

- what's the cost?

- how many click to get my stuff done?

- is it convenient/pretty/doesn't burn my eyes/tire my finger tip ..

some argument on iPad that I can't stand:

- it's fast...my superman eyes can see the pixel drags on a Nexus 7 screen within micro second while scrolling the RSS. now watch my iPad..tap, tap, tap . ...*groooan*... dude, you just tap three times as much to get to you things and you are complaining about micro second, barely perceptible smoothness? That's straight 3 second difference in my book. I keep my micro second lag thanks. There is plenty of this 'work flow' type of situation. most iOS apps are terrible at quickly sharing information with other apps.

- iPad has more apps ..."insert tiny arcade games", or minute variation of minor common app. Usually involve social networking apps. (tweeter, facebook, reddit, etc)

- iPad is made of aluminum, graced by St. steve holy touch, its premium.... (look man, I want my stuff done. It's an electronic gadget. as long as it's not hideous, I rather spend my 'fashion' money on 'fashion' stuff. .... at $400, I can get real Versace shirt and be fashionable that way.

- some iPad design aspect is annoying and ugly to me...I don't understand why people are raving about it just because it's in baby blue with cleardrop button decoration. yargh...

etc.
[Nexus 7 General] barondebxl:
poorly written, very biased way of reviewing a product. (I own an iPad that I absolutely love)
[Nexus 7 General] volwrath:
Technically this is not true. The new ipad3 uses the retina display of iphone 4 apps so in actuality they look pretty good. Also the older ipads could use the retina display iphone ap p with a jailbreak and cydia app. Apple didnt initially add this as they wanted people to upgrade to a newer ipad so never included that feature until ipad 3. Basically apple steals from the cydia community.
[Nexus 7 General] hamdir:
for those saying he was just saying his opinion, this is an outrageous claim that makes want to go hunt an iPhone 1, take a ticket and fly to this guy

and slowly talk him out of his delusions :)
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
Okay, you're kind of contradicting yourself here. First, there ARE many more and better apps on the iPad. Of all kinds, not just arcade games and not just variations of the same apps. That's just objectively true, and points more to the poor job Google has done in convincing developers to make tablet-optimized apps (and the much better job Apple has done). Also, some of those variations are quite significant, with the HBO Go app being a good example. On the iPad, the app has an awesome interactive feature that makes watching a show like Game of Thrones a better experience; that interactivity doesn't exist on the Android version (which of course still isn't running on the N7).

Second, your contradiction: "I want my stuff done." Those apps, if you are objective enough to actually check them out, make the iPad able to do some things that Android tablets can't yet do.

Now, all that said, of course one can say some of the same things in the other direction. Widgets and app sharing (i.e., Send To...), and local file system access means that there are some very important things that Android tablets can do that the iPad can't. So, that's what I meant when I said both have their strengths and weaknesses.

I didn't listen to the OP's entire thing, so maybe i'm missing some truly ridiculous statements. I'm just saying that in general, it's silly to say that one platform is necessarily better than another--it's much more valid to say that one platform is better FOR ONESELF.
[Nexus 7 General] bigbird21:
I am aware there are genuinely great iPad apps that don't exist in Android (midi plug in related apps, USB mic related apps, one or two high end games I think is great) But in general, when there is iPad vs. Nexus 7 comparison, the supposedly superior app list in iPad side are very mundane. (facebook, tweet, a couple small games, text processing, and bunch of web apps. the rest are utilities.) It's advantage hardly worth noting. They are very common apps titles.

This is a bit like android user raving about cool live wallpaper and huge number of custom launcher options... iPad user will roll their eyes. one live wall paper with fish swimming around doesn't look different than a robot flying in space.

On android side, genuinely great category involves GPS and google mapping service. In this area iOS is fairly primitive. A pocketable device with real GPS& mapping ability? It's a difference between having fun or lost in obscure road.
[Nexus 7 General] kangxi:
Just another person seeking attention. Nothing to see here folks, move along,
[Nexus 7 General] Bigjim1488:
Dear OP,

I wish I could down vote your blog. It's a terrible review. Stay over in macrumors where you belong.
[Nexus 7 General] albundy2010:
You guys are aware that the OP has not responded in the thread right? Wasting your time with legit responses to his review is silly. I suggest reporting the thread next time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyzyOnOh9A8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Nexus 7 General] droidnext:
Another iSuck review from a HARDCORE. :eek:
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
Are you allergic to pluralizing words and proper grammar in general?
[Nexus 7 General] vboyz103:
I, vboyz, approved this message!

For real though, the back button seems to be a very simple but yet so freaking important for me in my daily life using any mobile devices (phone, tablet, even PC, mac, etc). I remembered I wrote on facebook some times ago about how i don't like the experience of iOS simply because the back button ONLY availabe in some of iOS native apps such as the Settings app. For all of other apps, I think it's stupid to press Home (on the iDevices) and then gotta launch the other app that you might have it already opened. That's before multitasking, and fast forward to when iOS put in multitasking feature. I think it's still not very intuitive because in order to call up the other app, you have to swipe up to get to the list of running app in the dock, then select the app you want. I find it's annoying when you only want to go back to the previous app you already had open. With android a quick back button will do. Now you can argue with iOS 5.1 or so that you can use 4-finger swipe left/right to go between apps....I thought why do I have to really use 4 fingers just to get to the previous app????? Whereas on Android simply touch of the Back button will get you there, and the tablet UI will allow you to do this with just one-hand operation. In iPad you got to do it with 2 hands, one to hold the iPad of course, and the other to use 4-finger swipe.

How do I know this? Because I own both iPad 3 and Nexus 7 and now Nexus 7 is my daily driver...
[Nexus 7 General] deaffob:
I liked the review. I disagree with some points but you did better than most Apple fan boys.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
It's been what? 12 hours since I posted it... Report me for what?

To all of you with your honest replies, even disagreements; thank you. I never said it was an unbiased review, is there such a thing? It's completely fair to compare the iPad to the Nexus 7, price and size don't mean you can't compare them. Just like you could compare a BMW 7 series with a Hundi Elantra. They might be different sizes and price brackets but they perform all the same jobs and functions.

This review was my honest opinion of the Nexus 7. I realize that xda is mostly Android fans, so I thought you might find it interesting. Some of you did, and the other half were just obnoxious trolls.

Oh and if you can find an iPhone 2G running iOS 1.0 I'd love to buy it. :) and show you how smooth it is.
[Nexus 7 General] camp10:
That says it all....:laugh:
[Nexus 7 General] hamdir:
Like I said, nostalgia
[Nexus 7 General] jphilippon:
Honestly, why do you think we care? This is pretty much the biggest anti apple community on the Internet. I mean sure you have a right to say whatever you want and be biased, but this is probably the worst place to post it. :p I don't think you're going to sell any ipads here.

I don't understand your reasoning for doing so.
[Nexus 7 General] albundy2010:
Report for making yet another stupid 7 vs iPad thread that leads to what you see here in this thread.
[Nexus 7 General] Semantics:
Dude has 10 posts, he's just trying to get hits on his site, or whatever. I won't even click the link. My brother-in-law works for Apple, I hear enough nonsense about their products from him. **** Apple. I hear they are going to call the 8" tablet the MaxiPad.
[Nexus 7 General] bckrupps:
It's too bad it's a flame war now and too bad the thread was even started. I have both an iPad 3 and iPhone 4s which are amazing and I recently got the nexus 7 which is equally amazing. They do some things the same and some different. When they come up with a nexus 10 it will be a fair fight. Right now both have their pros and cons and that's why there are choices. I chose both and I'm glad that I did so.
[Nexus 7 General] Element515:
Don't you get frustrated though when in chrome and you hit back to go to a previous page but you get the last app? I see what you mean that it's nice having one button to do it all, but it would be nice if android could give you a sign where it'll take you. A slight change in color or something would be great. The four finger swipe is nice on iOS but it has it's faults too, such as in fruit ninja... occasionally it thinks you're changing apps and freezes. Though, I had an iPad 1 so idk how much smoother it is on the newer iPads.
[Nexus 7 General] Nexcellent:
I think reviews of this type can never be fair unless the individual has had an equal share in both worlds. That lingering smell of biased opinion in any comparison such as this leaves a bad taste in my mouth - regardless whether it's from an Apple or Android fan boy.
[Nexus 7 General] mi7chy:
Should've been titled "Bashing of the Nexus 7 and overlooking the strengths by an ignorant sheep". Notice how he avoided touching upon the strengths of the Nexus 7 such as 4-core CPU, superior 3D graphics effects and physics for gaming, GPS/Google Maps/Navigation/Streetview, NFC, Google Now, seamless integration with Google's world class services (Gmail, Maps/Navigation/Streetview, Drive, Docs, Google+, Voice, YouTube, etc.) Plus he's comparing a $629 cellular+WIFI iPad to a $249 device which should be an advantage to Nexus because it can WIFI tether off of existing Android LTE capable phones whereas they can't do that to the iPhone 4S due to lack of LTE and lack of proper infrastructure mode.

Compare something within the same price class such as the 64GB Galaxy Note 10.1 WIFI+cellular with proper palm rejection Wacom digitizer pen, 4-core Exynos, 2GB DRAM, etc.
[Nexus 7 General] slainbybeats:
I am kind of an apple fan too. Mostly macs(os x), but I was using iOS the last 2 year's and with a jailbreak it was pretty tweakable. I don't want you all to love it, and for mobile OS I decided that I like android way better now too, but why are you all hating about apple?

BTT: the nexus 7 is pretty unbeatable for that price imo, and I can't wait for it's launch in Germany! I like the freaking fast hardware as well as the size of 7". Don't want such a huge 10" tablet which is heavy as a rock! :)

sent from HTC One S via xda app
[Nexus 7 General] niteowl360:
To be honest I believe the OP deserves some credit in achieving something few Apple fans ever manage to do.

In my humble opinion he has reached further into the Android arena than any Apple fan I have come across.

I experienced the wonderful Nexus 7 yesterday and the smoothness of jelly bean is remarkable.

The fact that so few devices will benefit from this in the short term is criminal. Even my new HTC One X remains sadly lacking in this respect.

For many of us at XDA, the awesome customization opportunities and freedom to use our devices as we please (even non rooted), remains our top priority.

I have all 3 iPads at home in the hands of family members, and particularly the New iPad is impressive in terms of screen resolution.

We compared the resolution of the Nexus 7 to the New iPad and the smaller form factor was in our opinion equally as good as the Retina display.

My previous Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 was disappointing from a smoothness point of view and had to be sold.

The Nexus 7 in my hour of usage, was an absolute joy, with the only negative impression being made by a slightly 'washed out' image when compared to the magnificent HTC One X screen.

I'm hoping to get the Nexus 7 as it becomes available in my country.
[Nexus 7 General] atoy74:
This reminds me of an episode of Top Gear where they compare a Corvette Z06 vs a Ferrari F430 and talk about how the Ferrari wins out in luxury and sound. Never once did they mention the Z06 costs 60k and the Ferrari roughly 200-220k.

Seeing how the performance (Ipad vs Nexus 7) is basically the same, is the difference worth the premium? Those who say "yes" will buy the Ipad.

IMO, this guy was a little fanboi critical. (Full disclosure - I own an Ipad 3 and the Nexus 7)
[Nexus 7 General] sgt. slaughter:
mind you all lets keep this civil here....we all know how these threads can get in the long run, but lets be civil about it and beat those odds and have a meaningful discussion if we can...