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[HTC One X] twistedh:
f.u.c.k it. I love my one x - had it since launch day. And aside from the screen flicker issue, which was sorted with the OTA update, it's been smooth sailing.

I only have a 6 month contract, so if a revised more powerful version does come out in October, I'll buy it :)

I understand how frustrating it can be for people on 24 month contracts and so forth in the UK, or those who have only just got it - but this industry moves fast and furious - their numbers aren't that great with the SG3 recently coming out, so HTC need to do something to improve sales, and do it fast. 6 months is a HUGE amount of time in the technology industry, and HTC need to stay ahead of the pack.

If they don't do something soon, then they might struggle to even be in the industry in the next year or so. It's a good thing they are releasing another top of the line handset in my opinion.

I was wondering what I'd do in October when my contract is up, now I know :D

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Apple know they don't have to bring out a new phone with the best possible specs every year - they can just improve it slightly and the iSheep will still flock to their apple stores, camp outside for a few days to buy it.

Android phones are different, if it isn't top of the line, people will question the need to upgrade, because there is so much choice when you are picking a new android phone. Screen size, speed, camera, storage, battery etc. With iPhone, you're stuck with just the 2 choices. Old rounded iphone, or new slightly faster square iphone. That's how I see it.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
what fail ? its selling well just not all regions, they suffered a major blow in the US because of Apple's embargo

sales are strong but not enough to.pick up the losses or counter the mass Sammy invasion
[HTC One X] atrako1973:
58% ? id say i drop in all regions regardless
[HTC One X] hamdir:
You do realize its a drop in profit and not operational loses, unlike Sony they are still making profits
[HTC One X] Goku80:
one model does not mean every model in future will be the same..who knows what the next nexus will be like..but at least i know i will be having the latest Nexus phone in the Nexus line up and i will not be worrying that after few months a new Nexus will be out. were this is happening already with the One X and HTC.

and agree with one of the posters above...instead of spending money making new phones spend money into marketing and well keeping the updates coming for the current line up instead of coming out with constant phones every two months.
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Yikes. You guys are a trip.

"Our trusty mole at the Taiwanese phone maker has

dropped a load of specs our way

, including the One X II’s codename – HTC Endeavour C2."

Here's the "load of specs."

- 1.7GHz quad-core processor - The new Evita phone spotted in benchmarks has a 1.7GHz chip so standarizing the two phones makes sense.

- an improved battery - Good, it needs it to compete with the SGS3.

- a new colour - Uhm. OK?

- ClearVoice to improve call quality - It's already on the EVO version of the One X on Sprint in the U.S.

- HTC Watch 2 - Uhm. OK?

- bundled UrBeats earphones - Great. Higher overall price for a pair of mediocre headsets most people don't want or need.

- compatible with the One X’s accessories - Means it's the same phone and none of the dimensions are changing.

Sounds to me like a mild refresh to be more competitive with the SGS3 and to give HTC a launch platform for JB. The two combined will help during the holiday sales season and combat the iP5 when it's released. The One X launched in March and if the C2 launches in October that's 8 months. Did you guys think the One X was going to be the last "flagship" HTC built? Don't you think Samsung's working on an improved version of the SGS3 already? LG's already confirmed a phone with the new S4 Pro which will start the whole spec war all over again anyway. The days of a phone staying on the market unchanged for a year are through. I'm guessing the majority of s/w will be common between the One X and C2 so it's not like we're going to be left out in the cold. And like a bunch of folks posted HTC needs to sell more phones. If the C2, new Evita, and 5" phablet help them do it then good for them.
[HTC One X] Goku80:
Not everyone can afford to change phones every 8 months then as you say just to keep up with the latest. Second highly doubt it that you will see an improved S3 this year..Note 2 yes..S3+ very much doubt it cause Sammy knows that the S3 is more than good enough to compete with the likes of the fruity pebble company;) so why HTC feels like they need to refresh the lineup so soon is beyond me...

Now if they releasing a phone to compete with the Note that is a different matter...But to release an upgrade to the One X this year kinda goes against what they said earlier on in the year
[HTC One X] death__machine:
Its technology, new s#it keeps coming. Especially mobile-phones. Thats what keeps Android Phones ahead of and iPhone purely in specifications. Apple launches a phone and it's there in the market for a year, while Android Phone Manufacturers get a benchmark to beat, so they release better specification phones.

This doesn't happen only in mobile-phones. Look at the Graphics-Card segment in Desktop PCs, one day you have the latest and greatest, and in 3 months(more or less) a new one is out which beats yours. I know its retarded to compare a smartphone to a gfxcard but anyway.

The thing people are asking is making smartphone release more like a car release lol. Release one car a year kinda thing which is really hard as manufacturers(Nvidia,QualComm,etc.) keep pushing new and better chips. Greed takes over these companies and new phones/gadgets pop out. Its been like that for "years". Get over it. People who want to have the latest and greatest for the longest period should consider iPhone or the Nexus.

As for HTC's strategy, since they're doing bad and want to make a good comeback, they shouldn't decide on the next phone's specifications just yet. They should wait for the iPhone 5/6 specs maybe and then beat that. Besides the One X will be the king for a good 6 months which is respectable imo.

I can't afford to buy new phones again and again either, I used my 3GS for around 30 months, thats the longest I've used any phone. I'm gonna use my One X till it dies on me :D. I have no regrets buying the One X as I needed a phone at that moment, and decided not wait for the S3. Besides the deathgrip issue I'm really happy. My jump to Android has been awesome thanks to the One X.

Cheers.
[HTC One X] averygagaanroid:
Indeed you're right.

"HTC launched its new One series of models in April, banking on their advanced cameras offering photography on a par with traditional digital cameras, as well as music features such as advanced audio technology from U.S. firm Beats Electronics to regain market share lost to iPhones and Galaxy.

However, despite generally good reviews by analysts and tech blogs, sales have not taken off. Nomura noted that HTC has cut the price of One X to 4,999 yuan ($780) from 5,677 yuan in China and U.S. operator AT&T lowered the contract price of the same model to $99 from $199 last month.

"(Cutting prices) in less than three months after its launch, we think is a bad signal as, in the past, HTC has been able to sell 6-12 months before price cuts," Nomura said."

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/03/us-htc-outlook-idINBRE87209C20120803

Even in Australia price for the HOX has dropped significantly both on contract and outright purchase. This phone only flops less than the SNexus. I travel a lot for uni and I've seen far more SGS3 than the HOX even though the latter was launched sooner. Even on the local forums people are pissed off w the laggy UI, poor battery life, flickering screen and wifi issue. Just wonder how many of them ended up returning the phone and got a different brand?

And again this is not about WISHING HTC to die. This is about reminding them that they have to step up their games and be serious if they really want to compete w Samsung and Apple. They dont have the resources that those companies have so they should focus on minimalizing defects and improving customer service. But by rushing the HOX out, they have failed in both. Now all they can do is speed up their redemption and make sure w/e they're going to put out better, not specs wise but quality wise. Because what's the point of having all the specs when the product is defective?
[HTC One X] Nitin985:
HTC should do this release near December time and then do the next phone update after the S4, that's why the original desire did very well, nobody knew a Samsung device is around the corner. HTC is still innovative, they just to show it like Samsung do
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Tell that to the people who wanted black but ended up with white, blue, or red. I guarantee you the SGS3 will feature both design "special editions" regularly and a spec update in six to nine months. I agree with you that it sucks from an obsolescence stand point but it's great for the manufacturers as those who can afford it are constantly stepping up to the "new and improved" version(s).
[HTC One X] atrako1973:
thats how i feel exactly about htc they need to go back to what made them so famous ,remember when they launched the hox ,their was an article from top htc guy saying ;oh we are not gonna release so many phones anymore we need to concentrate on one or two at most, and yet they are preping hox+ october release while the hox is not even 6 months old ,look at the arch rival samsung marketing for sg3 is still ravaging our tvs computers ,htc gave up on the hox to soon i think and by the looks of it they indeed moved on .may be we should open a thread and tell htc how to get back on track
[HTC One X] Nitin985:
Marketing is a big thing, what happened to those "quietly brilliant" adverts. I honestly can't blame HTC for a minor upgrade like tthis phone will be, if they changed there release schedule to put there phone release time just after the Sgs and before the iPhone both companies can't really beat HTC then. Like this year, I don't think Samsung would have provided dropbox if HTC didnt, same with continuous shooting
[HTC One X] toonhead85:
With HTC being in such financial hardships, is it really a good idea to put forth large sums of monetary backing on a product that updates a product not even 5 months old yet? Especially if this means taking away from the rest of the One Series...

I have an HTC One X (international Tegra3) with a Pogo Charging case - What will this offer me?

• .2 GHz increased speed? It is a well known fact it takes a 30% increase for the enduser to realize the difference, which means the increase would need to be about a 2.25 GHz Quad Core processor.

• Increased RAM?? Well, I sit at about 2-500 MB of free RAM, and we all know that free RAM is wasted RAM in a Linux environment, so thats not a good idea.

• LTE?? Are they really going to start making hundreds of LTE phones? There isn't a LTE standard yet, so Unlocked Unbranded phones will go by the wayside if this happens and carriers will notice. Which I can see meaning an increase in Subsidized Cost on a 2/3 year contract.

But most importantly, does this mean they will slow down working on Jellybean for the HTC One X? I know its a flagship phone, but will it continue to be once this updated piece of hardware is released?

I have to tell ya, If this keeps going the way I think it is, I will be dropping my HTC One X and going with the Next Nexus. At lease I can get some updates and use Google Wallet then - Heck, even the Nexus S got Jellybean :confused:

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Wait wait wait, you start saying things like this and HTC will get the idea its ok to release "updated" hardware every 2-3 months... See Samsung and the Galaxy S2 Series - GS2, GS2 LTE, GS2LTE HD... get my drift? We will never stay at the cutting edge and continue to pay $5-700 for devices that get outdated faster then it takes the body to process food (8 hours).

Thats why I am liking the Nexus Line even more... Its an every 1 year Release, from what we can tell in the past.
[HTC One X] Hunt3r.j2:
Honestly this is probably just a way to distinguish the early model One X and the later production run One X. If there is literally almost no difference in software, then I expect this phone to just have all the fixes and tweaks that were needed from the One X with a higher voltage battery chemistry, and possibly re-arranged internals to cram in a bigger battery.

The One X got screwed over by a launch that was way too early, and they paid the price.
[HTC One X] Goku80:
Colours is one thing. A whole total upgrade in everything is different. Not my kinda cup of tea but hey not much we can do as you say...With technology the way it is moving i would not be surprised in a few years time if we see new models of handsets every quarter now instead of once a year...
[HTC One X] rajitsingh:
7 pages in and no one googled it:

THE C2 IS SUPPOSED TO BE A 5 INCH PAHBLET TO COMPETE IN THE CATEGORY OF GALAXY NOTE.
[HTC One X] okuda1971:
Who cares what's inside, surely if the software doesn't work as it should then the fastest processor in the world ain't worth nowt..! HTC is all about looking pretty, but even they messed that up with rushing to get the One X out before SGS 3..! The 3 dots is a terrible way to deal with the menu problem, with adverts on most apps we lose about a 5th of the screen... Might as well have bought a poxy iphone with its tiny screen... (rant over) lol
[HTC One X] PhoenixFx:
This is what One X should’ve been in the first place. To me the current One X seems like a rushed prototype. I couldn’t care less about the CPU speed, but the improved battery, possibility of having 2GB of RAM, improved camera and audio quality would be real plus points. Hope HTC learned from all the mistakes they did with Original One X and from the competition and make the C2 a worthy competitor to SGS3 (and its' refresh) + the soon to be released G.Note2.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
2.x update will shut you all up soon :)
[HTC One X] okuda1971:
Yeah heard that one before...!?!
[HTC One X] vincepg13:
What the update thats in the works but seems to not get released before they start working on another one!
[HTC One X] hamdir:
the update is scheduled for release this month

source of info, all the elevate members in here

so relax
[HTC One X] rajitsingh:
People, I say it again. It's not an upgrade to HOX. It's a new device for a different segment.
[HTC One X] beno619:
Yeh were jumping to conclusions, it could just be the 5" G note 2 rival, think about it one X+,bigger battery + higher clock speeds ?
[HTC One X] Nubzori:
Could be note 2 killer indeed. Desire - Desire HD all over again. Which is good, no complains here but it feels like the X is the HD and the S is Desire IMO. This is just wrong, there is like HTC One C, Desire V and J? What happened to the so called simple strategy this year.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
when they are loosing grounds you really think the "ideal" thing would be done? they have to do whatever it takes to stay profitable
[HTC One X] beno619:
Thought tines call for tough decitions, these are the times they need to stick to their word by creating a "brand".

Going back to that pocketnow article they need to keep next year's flagship under wraps and let Samsung show thier hand 1st and not give away features like burst mode. Correct me if I'm wrong but HTC had a launch event in London for the desire hd + legend which created apple like excitement, why did they decide to go backwards ? :confused:
[HTC One X] hamdir:
it was Desire + Legend

next was Desire hd + Desire Z, then Sensation + Evo 3d, they went backwards with the Incredible S, Desire S and all the rest of variants between the two

confusing the user and fragmenting its bases

Now the strategy is kinda clear, but you guys insist on not seeing it

The One Series as a flagship for different price points, represented by the X, S and V

and the rest are just outsiders serving different market segments and specific needs

The One X+ if its not for Tmobile purely and not a 5 incher, would mean its a mid cycle refresh...very normal procedure for a "phones" company, offers incentive to users in the mid cycle to buy now instead of holding till next release

ie they never decided to issue one and only one phone, they are after all a phone company, unlike a computer company unlike Apple, so they can't feed on one device only

we can debate how right or wrong this is in terms of marketing etc forever, but its outside the scope of this thread

all they said that they will releases less devices and focus on quality, ie: no longer a million and one similar variant like last year

while you are right they didn't hold true to this statement but its wasn't a dark evil lie either

if they they can break carrier control once and for all, this will greatly reduce the amount of variants, equally i think the dual snapdragon 4 One X was a mistake as evident by the low sale numbers
[HTC One X] godutch:
I got my SGS2 somewhere around may 2011 and even until I got my HOX around a year later it was still the top samsung device in the line up and it remained so until the SGS3 was released. I like having the "best" and Samsung (and Apple) give you the best and you can have the best for a year...
[HTC One X] EddyOS:
So the life cycle of the One X is 8 months? I don't think so...
[HTC One X] hamdir:
do you people choose to be delusional or what?

the SGS2 was superseded by the Galaxy Note, same but faster CPU as in the SGS2! with much bigger battery, in fact its an extremely similar bump to the One X+ which reinforces the assumption it might be a 5incher

SGS2 + 200mhz speed bump + bigger battery + bigger screen = Galaxy NOTE

One X + 200mhz speed bump + bigger battery + ... = ?

NOTE 2 is right around the corner

and did you all forget three variants under the name of SGS2?

each with a different SOC and GPU

Samsung Galaxy S2:

Samsung Exynos 4 Dual 45 nm, ARM Mali-400 MP (GT-I9100)

Texas Instruments OMAP4430, PowerVR SGX540 (GT-I9100G)

Qualcomm Snapdragon S3 APQ8060, Qualcomm Adreno 220 (GT-I9210)

One phone my a$$

if anything HTC was always single SOC based but learned this sh*t from Samsung!

a lot of you are being very unfair and this thread is really a complete joke
[HTC One X] beno619:
Yeh I wonder who makes these decisions, maybe were blaming HTC for problems created by carrier's, some thinks are sure tho.

They need to stay away from CES next year.

Go head to head with Samsung, they already build better hardware and sense it getting to where it needs to be.

They need to fill tv with decent add campaigns and not skydiving models :what:
[HTC One X] EddyOS:
We all know that the mobile operators in the US have their own versions of the SGSII, as they do with the SIII, but people outside the US don't care about that. The HTC One X (T3) is the flagship phone of HTC and is barely 5 months old. If HTC are releasing a refresh after 5 months then they are taking the piss. You can say what you want but it is wrong. There is no disillusionment here, this is straight up bad form on HTCs part as customers are now having to potentially be with an out-of-date phone less than 6 months into a new 18/24 month contract. How is this fair???

I bought this phone SIM-free, having sold my Sensation and Galaxy Nexus, and if this refresh IS another 4.7" One X variant my current phone will be taking an unfortunate tumble and I'll be onto my insurance company ASAP
[HTC One X] hamdir:
about skydiving models, you guys don't get it

the geeks and performance crowds are not really the bulk of their audience, in fact as mentioned many times before

they serve a very specific lifestyle/niche market segment, the more upscale segment, you want them to let go of it all to make the Samsung followers happy?

finally like its been reported before, HTC always turns down calls for cheap commercial devices (such as the N7) because they would like to save guard their upscale brand image

(If they really turned down the N7, it was a very stupid decision)

EddyOS seriously mate? a 200mhz speed bump is making you this angry? we have given the Sensation analogy a dozens of time now

they are the exact same, the bump was just to persuade newcomers, unlocked classic Sensation users were able to run everything like the XE and officially they had the exact same firmware minus the beats activation

as for the SGS2 no it wasn't just for the US carriers, they released the Snapdragon 2 version globally too with only the (GT-I9210) label to tell them apart at retail

my breath got tired from all the times i warned my friends to be careful buying the SGS2 and get the I9100
[HTC One X] EddyOS:
I know, but it's still a kick in the teeth isn't it? What if someone who's not 'in the know' was to get a One X today and find out in a month a replacement is out? They're gonna be pissed aren't they? I understand that all firms do this BUT, as we've all said, the point of the One series was to stop this from happening, to stop confusion in an over-saturated market. I had the original Sensation and was running the XE ROMs on it so bar me buying the larger battery (at least we could do that) I had an XE. It's different with the One X as we have no choice over the battery.

Besides, I pay my insurance premium. I may keep the One X if the new OTA is improved again over the leaked build (which it should be) but I have the option of moving on should I wish :)

As for the SGSII - we only had the i9200 in the UK. the others aren't for sale as we don't have LTE here (yet)
[HTC One X] hamdir:
poor insurance company :D
[HTC One X] beno619:
Well their target market isnt skydivers is it ?

There target market should be any person willing to spend €500+ on a mobile phone, I'm a HTC fanboy and love my HOX just like you hamdir but sometimes we have to call them out on stupid mistakes they have made that has lost them a lot of sales this year.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
they weren't targeting sky divers with that campaign lol! the sky divers campaign didn't loose them anything, maybe didn't gain them much but i don't think it caused any damage, let it go mate take it lightly :)

as for their faults i call their faults all the time, but in a constructive matter instead of "OMMMMMGGGGGGGGGG" doom and gloom method

I posted this yesterday in the meag thread, while i was debating with you guys in here, this was always my position about their stupid stupid Sense 3.x and the line up of 2011, all i'm saying financial issues aside, they are still doing better than last year's disasters in terms of strategy

Finally here is a thought, if they couldn't afford a bigger battery on the One X (im sure they know how much T3 eats in screen on) maybe the bigger battery on the One X+ means bigger screen? (ie: Note fighter)
[HTC One X] godutch:
No, the Note is a completely different concept aimed at a very different group of users. The note and SGS complement each other: big screen vs smaller more portable screen, yet more or less the same hardware specs otherwise.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
the One X+ and One X are also "more or less the same hardware specs " :confused:
[HTC One X] beno619:
Well the reasons the GSIII have done so well are success of the GSII + Good marketing.

Salespeople in shops were wearing GSIII shirts, massive billboards and posters everywhere, I dont know what made for humans mean but its still better than HTC's efforts.

The whole point of marketing is to shift handsets so if it didnt gain them anything its a fail.

My Points are far from doom and gloom, its more of a post mortem on what they have done wrong in the past couple of months and what should be done in the future, HTC arnt going anywhere :)