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[HTC One X] Croak:
FFS, it's a carrier variant that supports AWS freqs and HSPA+ DC.

Since it's late in the T3 production cycle (yields getting better) it's economical to give it a mild clock speed bump. A spec bump and better battery is something that T-Mobile USA needs...simply releasing an otherwise identical Endeavour with AWS HSPA+ 8 months after it released in the rest of the world is not going to cut it, and it needs to be better in some significant way than the ($99) One XL that AT&T sells, and it needs to compete directly with the S4-powered AWS SGS3 that T-Mobile USA carries.

Keep in mind there's a significant cost for a carrier to roll out a new device, from firmware tweaks to staff training to advertising. So the product needs to be competitive. As a flagship class device, it also needs to be something a bit special to attract new customers and/or retain old customers. The "fastest clocked quad core" and "better battery life and more storage than AT&T's version" are just the sort of things it needs.

Also keep in mind that when HTC was "shopping" the One X/XL to AT&T and T-Mobile USA, AT&T's purchase of T-Mobile USA was almost a certainty, so there probably wasn't a lot of interest at T-Mobile for a new unique superphone during the transition period (and for that matter, Nvidia didn't have modem hardware back then that supported AWS frequencies). When that purchase unexpectedly fell through, T-Mobile started looking to the future again, and along with the SGS3, the upgraded One X is the first flagship-class device they've lined up since then.

Take a breath, relax, and rest assured that CPW adverts probably won't be featuring the "super Endeavour" any time soon. :)
[HTC One X] EddyOS:
If that's the case then fine but if it's an upgrade for the 'stock' One X then we have a right to be annoyed, that's all I'm saying
[HTC One X] hamdir:
yes if it was snapdragon 4 pro, i would be pissed too

but a funny 0.2ghz Tegra3 bump is happy news in my eyes, it means the One X Tegra 3 isn't out anytime soon ;)

and in my unlocked case with Faux kernel + GPU unlocked i already have massively boosted my One X speed
[HTC One X] godutch:
My point is they are 2 very different phones targeted at very different needs, for many people the note is just too big
[HTC One X] hamdir:
and my point is the One X+ is a tiny bump not worth you energy and effort, for many people it will be just the same

didn't you learn nothing yet? a 0.2ghz is absolutely nothing out of the same SOC and the increase in battery will probably be offset by those 200mhz anyway!

we have tested that clock (1.7ghz single and 1.6ghz quad) in the faux kernel tests and it's nothing to shout about, the GPU unlock and bandwidth fixes are making all the difference
[HTC One X] chrisjcks:
I think my next device will be whichever turns up first with the quad core S4 - that thing destroys everything by quite some distance if early leak tests can be believed.
[HTC One X] HighTimez:
This is just a tumor it would probably have been an overclocked One x. No phone company would release another high end phone in such a short time it would Hurt more then do Any good to htc's name...
[HTC One X] chrisjcks:
Wouldn't they?

RAZR

RAZR Maxx
[HTC One X] atrako1973:
I wouldnt be surprised if htc release the hox+ with jb in october hopfully sensless with only few widgets
[HTC One X] Prema:
Is this the T37 DIE shrink to 28NM and that's why the battery life is supose to improve?
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
You sure have a high opinion of T-Mobile. Their fourth and falling as one of the "big four" U.S. carriers. They'll sell a fraction of phones for HTC than VZW who is getting a phablet and AT&T who is getting a better spec'd Evita phone. If the C2's done in September there's a chance T-Mobile could get it. More than likely they'll get a version of the existing One X. Regardless, based on their smartphone sales, they aren't in a position to haggle.

http://investing.businessweek.com/r...|ACQUIREMEDIA||bridgesymbol||US;S&ticker=S:US

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No.
[HTC One X] sumeshd:
Possibly new HTC one x+ ??!!

Found it in HTC showme tutorial video uploaded on June 5 by HTC..

If its the new one x then it is probably very injustice with current one x owners..they gave us this test phone and now that they know what the flaws and problems are..they improve it and release the real deal..if this happens I will really feel like genie pig who has been tested on..lol
[HTC One X] Hunt3r.j2:
It looks like a grainy photoshop.

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You must be kidding yourself if you think HTC would ever get rid of Sense.
[HTC One X] sumeshd:
It's not grainy Photoshop..its screenshots taken from video of htcshowme on YouTube..

Here's the link of the video.

See at 00:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgc-U_gtAeg
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Based on the date I'd go with the video being produced prior to the design of the current One X being finalized. If you believe the rumor from Stuff, all the accessories are supposed to fit. The phone in the video doesn't even have pogo connectors.
[HTC One X] Hunt3r.j2:
It honestly looks more like old-style HTC design. The new direction seems to be focused upon a single LED flash.
[HTC One X] sumeshd:
Ya but maybe they see everyone getting scratches on the massive camera bump and get rid of it with new design in one x predecessor..notice the "no bump" in pic..if it turns out to be so then there's going to be massacre..:banghead:
[HTC One X] atrako1973:
More bad news from htc

http://m.androidcentral.com/taiwan-central-bank-governor-asks-state-help-htc
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
Did you read the comment from HTC?
[HTC One X] hamdir:
Why r u trolling this thread is about endeavor c2 and not the about "killing" of HTC

and this is not bad news, they are getting the backing if their government

Awesome news if you ask me!

And finally stop fooling yourselves, the biggest hit they suffered isn't their fault at all

Its the US embargo during the One series launch and apple endless lawsuits

Think its time to rush n buy HTC to help these guys out
[HTC One X] atrako1973:
I'm not trolling its related to HTC wether u see it or not ,ill break it down for ya , outing a new product while the Hox not even 6 months old shows why HTC is in trouble ,if I anoy you so much please feel free to add me to your ignore list ,or if u think I'm trolling please report me!
[HTC One X] hamdir:
Ur really believe they r in trouble because of c2? Or vice versa lol

Product refresh is business as usual

While the reasonsfir their decline are a lot more complex
[HTC One X] atrako1973:
Complex to u! It's very simple if people are not buying,shop will close
[HTC One X] hamdir:
People r buying the one x just not as much as sammy, it's the other phones n last year trouble

And please where the hell did u read operational loses? they r still making profit just a lot less than targets

Sony been living on pure loses for years now and they didn't go anywhere

So enough with the drama, learn a little about business
[HTC One X] atrako1973:
fyi, sony has a lot of other revenues from movie studios to anything you cant think of electronicaly ,musically speaking , sony could leave the phone bisness no problems . sony is hardly in example here
[HTC One X] hamdir:
Mmmm u keep ignoring the fact that they r still profitable
[HTC One X] averygagaanroid:
and you keep bringing this up to show people that HTC is still doing well. With their current rate of revenue drop, I wont be surprised if they're making losses by the end of 2nd quarter next year. Even if HTC releases a new phone by the end of this year, it won't save HTC because the iPhone 5 will totally steal its thunder. The people who want to buy HTC have already bought the HOX (and returned it and moved on). The people who want to buy the best Android have already bought the SGS3. The people who want pure Android will probably wait for the next Nexus phones. The rest will just buy an iPhone because of the brand name and the (imo true) perception that iPhones are more durable than HTC phones. Even if HTC released a quad core s4 it would still flop.

You keep thinking that people are trolling/ wishing HTC to die. Why dont you think that it's HTC's faults that brought them where they are now? Everything happens for a reason. If they hadnt screw up people wouldnt have bought Samsung or Apple. So dont blame anyone for their demise. The people here who post negative comments about HTC are simply former victims of HTC "quietly brilliant" customer "support/care". You're just lucky to get an HOX that works well. If you had had to returned it multiple times I bet you would have been up in arms about the way they rushed out the phone, handled issues and continued to churn out phones after phones even after they had publicly promised not to.
[HTC One X] atrako1973:
i totally agree with you on all points, my only wish is htc are reading and checking the pulse, i happened to buy a hox cause didnt want to be tied up for 2 years , im in my 4th,every single one of them had problems be it software or hardware ,is it my fault? no . am i unlucky no, i spent 550 euros luck has no place here if htc didnt rush this phone ,and checked the assembly lines, and chose well who is going to do their repare for them , honestly ,htc whole sales and marketing team should be sacked
[HTC One X] mr1029x:
I just read some new info about the Endeavour C2 and although I don't really care about this device, I'm still a little bit pissed off by HTC. It says that the new device have "Everything That The HTC One X Lacks". The title makes me feel like the One X is just a test version from HTC. However, the HOX is still a very good device and I don'tthink that I'm gonna sell it to get another device in at least 1 year.
[HTC One X] Arsaw:
Couldn't agree more. Well said.
[HTC One X] PaulGG:
Well Guys I have both the HOX and G3. The strategy that Samsung is following matches that of Apple, as its hardware does in many ways. That is, it gets a phone handset to as many markets and in as many peoples hands as possible, to have it recognisable by its appearance as well as message tones (remember the days when you knew a nokia purely by its ringtone). This strategy or business model works, even last years S2 is still selling by the truck load especially in the white version. Just like the Iphone 4 and 4S. This business model is proven. People will wait in anticipation and excitement at the media hype for the yearly flagship phone. HTC needed to have a flagship device for the year with maybe a TWO series next year or even a ONE Y totally updated design but again with a the same aesthetics. If a launcher or a custom rom can iron out the faults with the HOX, HTC should be pushing hard to make JB a head turner on the HOX.

I have owned HTC phones for the last 10 years back to the O2 XDA days, they have always been bullet proof, The HOX screen is stunning, but the design although innovative, in the grey model does not quite look as good as when new. The S3 IMHO is not the design dog its made out to be

the fit and finish are good, The GPS is incredible, and once you ditch touch wiz, the hardware software match is close to perfect.

I have really had to kick my HTC fanboyism into touch whilst evaluating both phones, and also eat some humble pie re the S3. But at the moment

its leaving the HOX in the dust.

HTC know the issues, the ball is in their court, I dont think bi yearly model upgrades will work, fix the HOX and get the reviewers who are on the other side of the fence back on board.
[HTC One X] TruthAEE:
Still on EVO 3d , if HTC releases a new phone w 2gb and s4 pro or better I will purchase for the sense 4 interface, if they release a tegra pos I am gone
[HTC One X] nikzDHD:
If it's near the same then it won't be much of a biggie. If it runs Tegra software wise it should still be the same. This will push the price of the One X even lower so consumers have the possibility of choosing a lower priced device compared to the higher one. I mean how many of us will actually purchase it? I guess those looking for an improved battery or just pure speed freak geeks looking for the biggest bang. Dev wise I don't think it should affect out current devs from stopping support for our gen 1 device.
[HTC One X] Nitin985:
What's wrong with tegra, if you want Qualcomm some of the ram is taken up by the gpu which is why at&t one x has terrible multitasking. Tegra 4&5 will be very good once again and a feature with no phones have is the ammount of apps that optimize the quad core
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
All chipsets do that, including Tegra.
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
You guys clearly don't understand how businesses work. HTC is profitable, generates positive cash flow, and has ample cash on hand to serve their needs. Companies in trouble are so because they don't have those things. Their biggest issue now isn't money, it's the impact of all the negative coverage their receiving and what that could do to future sales if customers get spooked and start avoiding them. All these "doom and gloom" posts you guys are posting are examples of this. The two largest carriers in the U.S. are both launching new HTC phones in the fall. They wouldn’t be doing so if they were concerned about their future survivability.

HTC's sales targets for the One X were never even close to Samsung's for the SGS3. So comparing the sales of one to another as the basis for your "failure" stories is inappropriate. They missed their targets but the embargo in the U.S. and the economic troubles in the EU happened after those targets were established. As for product evolution, again, you're reading way too much in to the C2 and anything else HTC has in the pipeline. It seems the C2 is a refresh and will bring the One X up to the same processor that the new Evita phone is using which makes business sense. The new Evita phone is a way of getting a quad-core LTE phone to market which is great and a leg up on Samsung who only uses the S4 dual-core for LTE everywhere but Korea. You're beating up Hamdir for dispelling the negative but all you guys are whipping yourselves up in to a frenzy based on little factual information and your emotional reactions to things you clearly don’t understand.
[HTC One X] narcoustic:
This is HTC, there's nothing strange about it.. It's a ridiculous routine for them. See: desire, desire HD, the countless versions of the sensation and now the one x
[HTC One X] averygagaanroid:
I've seen so many of your posts and I have to say I think you're a very informed person but sometimes, like in this post, you're just really condescending. Basically HTC has publicly indicated that the One series would be their flagship line at least till the end of this year. But since June/July there has been numerous rumours about new HTC phones surfacing on the internet. I dont really believe in rumours but when rumours get so specific like this and with HTC's track record they will probably turn out to be true. That's why people are upset. the HOX has not even been optimized yet and issues are still there and HTC has already considered moving on. If they really have no faith in the competitiveness of their product, they should have invested more time refining it, or at least their customer care service, before rushing it out w a high rate of numerous defects.

And just like hamdir, you keep using the fact that they are still making a profit and have about up to $5 billion cash reserve to say that they are not in trouble. And I will say again, only for now. Every quarter their profits drop more than 40%. Unless they cut costs they will be making loss next year. Churning out new phones did not work for them when they were on their peak, why would it save them when they're not the best Android manufacturer anymore? Makes no sense. It doesnt do good either for the brand or the business. You say we dont understand how things work. Yeah we probably dont. We only see that Apple and Samsung release one major phone for a year and spend resources marketing and refining it and their sales have been skyrocketing.

How do you know about sales target for the HOX? You're not working for HTC. You're only talking from speculation just like the rest of us. The On series is HTC's attempt to steal market share back from Samsung, so how could they have not hoped for it to sell better than the SGS3? And even standing on its own the HOX is still a failure on HTC. The phone is great if you get a good one. But chances are you will get one w defects. HTC rushed it out and they have been fixing it since day one. On top of that, their customer service has been "fantastic and helpful" and I'm sure many members have already had the honour of dealing w them. You wouldnt know. Since all your phones are working. I said again if you had had to return your phones many times you would have been up in arms just like everybody.
[HTC One X] narcoustic:
From a European (UK) prospective there was only one and still is only one variant of the galaxy s2. The s2 was never confused in terms of where it stood in the pecking order. Samsung released the galaxy advance, ace, europa etc. But all of them were quite clearly mid/low range whilst the S2 remained the flagship until this year's release of the s3.

I don't think people are pissed at the refresh itself from HTC, I think like myself, they are pissed that htc rushed the one x and released it with a myriad of problems and now this updated version is their "fix" when they shouldn't have shipped such a defective flagship in the first place.

I work In a phone shop and I hear countless times from the average consumer that they do not want another HTC due to problems they had with previous devices.

Their sales are plummeting because Joe bloggs doesn't trust the brand, and each time HTC release a phone they amplify that distrust with their quality control and moves like these.

I for one will not be buying an HTC again. And what is so significant about that is the fact the only reason I bought the HTC was because I got it at half price otherwise I wouldn't have looked twice at it.

It's not about specs.. It's about a user experience (quality control, software, updates etc) and HTC may well have the spec department covered but the UX is seriously lacking
[HTC One X] Nitin985:
I'm sure tegra is different
[HTC One X] Rusty!:
The One X does have the full 1GB RAM available, but the GPU has to have some RAM for it to work. There's gotta be more than the advertised amount in here.
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Sorry, I come across that way sometimes. It's not intentional.

They said they'd be making "fewer" phones.

"In comments made to Mobile Today, HTC has confirmed that it will be slashing its smartphone portfolio for 2012 and that it will shift focus away from the tablet market and instead focus on the quality of the company’s phone lineup. This confirmation comes just shortly after Motorola said something similar in that it will be releasing fewer phones over the course of this year.

The statements were made by HTC UK chief Phil Roberson who said that HTC will be offering up fewer, high-spec smartphones, devices that Roberson referred to as ‘hero’ devices."

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/01/26/htc-to-release-fewer-phones-in-2012/

Being profitable means you're accumulating cash. With cash in the bank and positive cash flow it takes a long long time to get in trouble.

HTC (and all manufacturers that aren't Samsung and Apple) are destined to have lower profit margins. They simply don't have the scale to get their cost of goods down to the same levels. Analysts expect that. HTC's problem isn't cost, it's sales. The One's are good phones and should have sold better than they have. HTC needs to address that. How, I have no clue. Even at lower than projected volumes their still making a profit. It would take a drop in sales much deeper than the current trajectory for them to actually start posting a loss.

I'd bet you the cost of your phone that Samsung launches another flagship device or improvements to the SGS3 in less than a year.

Because they are a public company and project their revenue targets by quarter for the year.
[HTC One X] parmar.saab:
This^^^ and the speakers of the Nokia 5800...
[HTC One X] Hunt3r.j2:
The C2 would only be a good idea as a way to indicate a One X that has all the hardware fixes done and with a much lower defect rate, with a few upgrades that would not require any change to the firmware or any accessories.

Then HTC should just phase out the One X. Stop production of it and sell the phones for cheaper, and use it for repair parts. Once those all run out, all warranty repairs should use the C2 parts, and all warranty replacements should be the C2 model.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
wait so all this negative is based on defects?

you realize the defects were all from a looping batch, this batch which i agree completely should have be recalled but im sure HTC being in sales trouble wanted to avoid negative media coverage (if recalled)

but i had 2 messed up hoxes before i got my third perfect one and i unboxed a dozen a lot of them with defect, but those were from the same rotten batch HT241/242/243

the new batches are mostly trouble free, we are not getting reports and also our friend wilkyyy lost his perfect hox, used his insurance and got another perfect hox from the same supposedly rotten batch, so yes ITS also luck

die HTC, but did you really bother and check the Nexus 7 defects trouble? its horrific! die google?

as for HTC fixing the HOX, they just did!

welcome update 2.17 today, which is really a great update, try it and report back!
[HTC One X] iucidium:
Why not, and with Jellybean?

Maybe HTC are making a Nexus too.
[HTC One X] Karish1989:
Hamdir my friend let them talk **** about HTC .. and to all the haters plzz sell your htc and go buy Samsung or even IPhone ? We don't need you here!

Verstuurd van mijn XxXDesireHDXxX with Beats Audio
[HTC One X] BarryH_GEG:
Two things:

1) The C2 is an Endeavor phone and if the only h/w change is a different battery and SoC it's a leap of faith to think it'll be materially different than the OG One X. Especially if all the accessories are supposed to fit.

2) The same company everyone's *****ing about for issues with the One X is also building the C2. Unless they intentionally wanted the One X to be defective there's no reason to believe that a phone created by the same designers and engineers and built on the same assembly line is going to be any different in terms of performance, QC or build quality. In spite of what this forum may indicate based on volume of posts, none of the defects seem to be in more than the single digit percentages.
[HTC One X] Arsaw:
Right now, it doesn't matter how much the defects are in the market because the perception on HOX is that it is very buggy device. This perception will carry over to C2 for sure. It is very crucial for HTC to ensure the defects are kept at minimal level when C2 launched. Otherwise, HTC will fail miserably by next year Q1.
[HTC One X] hamdir:
very buggy? in one month HTC aggressively nailed every bug by 1.29...
[HTC One X] atrako1973:
It shouldn't comes down to luck when you spend 550 Euro on a smartphone ,I never heard of a an I phone mad guy going through 12 boxes of iPhone to find his perfect I phone and be happy about it. I wish like you I had the chance to open 12 boxes to find my perfect hox ,but 100% of us who bought hox didn't have that option,real big companies when they have bad patches, they recall them ,fix them .but hey thats not what HTC did