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[Nexus 7 General] bigbird21:
In android world. that's pretty consistent. Those phones spanning several generations and different market segments. Google is not in position to force everybody to have exact same design. They only control OS development. It is not possible trying to make all those competing phone companies to produce exactly same design. They need some distinction after all. The world would be a very boring place if all android phone looks exactly the same.

To me, the buttons above are close enough.

Hell. if I were a phone designer I would design a UI that only one particular user intimately understand how it works. (The rest of planet has no business knowing how somebody else's personal object operate. You hit wrong button, the phone will auto destruct. Imagine how secure such phone would be...just make sure you don't hit the wrong button. heh.)
[Nexus 7 General] poweroutlet:
" the first iPhone with iOS 1.0 still puts it to shame"

I'm sorry but I couldn't take the review seriously after that.

First of all Android 4.1 may still be slightly slower than iOS but its really because iOS is a hugely dumbed down OS. It's a bunch of icons, its a UI made for the simple minded, nontechnical folks and idiots/fanboys.

Android 4.1 is now very refined, smooth, filled with extensive features and capabilities all while being open source. Why the hell would anyone pay money to use that proprietary apple bull sh*t with an open source OS like android?
[Nexus 7 General] JMQUINT00:
Has the author of the original review come back to answer to any of the comments? Maybe I missed it, if not then we should take that as a sign and move on to what this forum is really about.
[Nexus 7 General] rhirons:
Are you joking? jayman16 is the original poster. Read the posts!
[Nexus 7 General] jameslfc5:
I stopped reading after a few paragraphs, that pretty much sums it up.
[Nexus 7 General] rhirons:
Each OS has it's good and bad points. iOS is a confined yet mature and smooth OS mainly due to the fact that it hasn't really changed much since it's initial implementation. Android on the other hand was (and lets be honest) a bit pants during it's first few implementations. I had an iPhone 3G when my partner had his HTC Hero. Dear god nothing made me want to stick with my iPhone more than playing with that phone for 10 minutes. Today it's totally different. Apple set the initial standard and I feel that with ICS and especially JB, google have finally caught up and surpassed Apple.

Again it's really all about preference. A couple of my very good friends will defend their 4S's till they're blue in the face yet when I ask them to explain exactly why, they just don't know what to say.
[Nexus 7 General] suchavibrantthang:
ahem, gingerbread
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
I LOL'ed.
[Nexus 7 General] rhirons:
I know, but I still wasn't 100% sold at that point. Just my personal experience though.When I upgraded my Galaxy S2 from gingerbread to ics it all just.................changed :)

---------- Post added at 11:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:38 PM ----------

Haha, brilliant!
[Nexus 7 General] jjjsong:
Yes, it's consistent in a device... doesn't mean it's consistent in all devices. It's much better than having back button appearing in different places in every app.
[Nexus 7 General] BrianDigital:
MIght I add, does it really matter if all the devices have the same layout, typically no one switches phones everyday for this to be even a hassle, tech journalists yes, everyday consumers no
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Hi!
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Look! A troll, come quick and see it in its natural habitat...
[Nexus 7 General] b4silver:
Sorry man but it was just asking for all this backlash by saying the iPad was better on a NEXUS 7 XDA FORUM. I mean what did u expect? Ppl to agree?

BTW nexus seven wins in every category except apps which the iPad wins hands down in my opinion.
[Nexus 7 General] saadi703:
Reviews from everyone are too long so I don't want to read and the topic of thread is pointless as well because it is personal opinion which no one is interested in. People do something constructive.
[Nexus 7 General] poweroutlet:
You really can't call anyone a troll after writing that ridiculous "review" and expect to be taken seriously.
[Nexus 7 General] RushAOZ:
This is great lol fan boys everywhere. We all really know which is better. Android obviously. If you dispute that you're just an idiot. Despite the fact that iOS is smoother, even if its not by much, there's nothing iOS can do that Android can't. But there's plenty that android does that iOS doesn't. The difference here is the demographic these devices aim for. iOS is for your uber casual user. Someone who would have issues getting around Windows. Someone who NEEDS their device to control itself in areas where they don't understand. Android is for the user that wants total control over their device.

Oh, I used to be an ex iPhone fan boy until the 3gs when I switched to the Epic 4g. Never looked back.
[Nexus 7 General] ezas:
Apple is the Harley Davidson of the gadget universe. There is no reasoning with the faithful. They will always declare the superiority with not much more explanation than It's 'better'.

Put me down as another person who has no real problem with the back key. Once in awhile it will back me out of an app when i thought i was going back one screen. But it's no biggy. I'm mashing that back key all the time.

As for hard buttons vs soft buttons. I have devices with each kind and both have pluses and minuses. But if i had to close I'd take soft. I like that using the soft button uses the same soft touch as the rest of the screen.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Apparently this is also true of Android user. A lot of these commenters are as thick-headed as they come.

I decided to try out Android for myself, with my own money, then I wrote about my experience. I would be interested in reading the reverse, an Android users buying an iPad/iPod touch and writing about it. I certainly wouldn't reply back to them with all this hate/anger/vitriol foaming from my mouth like most of the commenters here. I'm sure I'd disagree with some of it, but that wouldn't make their opinion "wrong" and mine "right".
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
It is your opinion; no one can say you are wrong.

You are a wide-mouth Bass in a lake full of Trout. Your review would be much more warmly received in an Apple pond - er forum.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>People do something constructive.

Heh, actually X-vs-Y and argument threads like this do serve a useful purpose: it gets people to participate. It's like an icebreaker. You don't have to be a techie and talk about techie stuff; anybody can voice an equal opinion (and everybody does).

This is a good thing for a forum. It's a known tendency that once people starting posting (interacting), then they tend to be more active in that forum or thread. You see this in every online blog/news site, where headers are rephrased in form of questions, where comments are encouraged. Maybe you're not up on all the techie stuff, but you may have knowledge in other (non-techie) areas that you can share, or more insight. Participation and user diversity are the life-blood of an online community.

Yes, this means that trolls serve a useful function as well, in that they provoke participation. The flip side is that the discussion may prove disruptive to the communal fabric, which is why there are mods.

More generally, the downside is that s/n ratio is worsened, but IMO it's more than offset by the long-term aspect which is increased user participation.
[Nexus 7 General] hunterhp:
Your review had some valid points. I see many iOS users talking about the fluidity, but honestly I think its a trick. I'm not trying to be funny either. The fluidity in iOS just seems to be the ui transition running at 1/3rd jelly bean speed.

I have iLauncher, its an iOS launcher for Android, which as the name implies, mimicks iOS. I haven't compared it side by side to an iPad but I can guarantee that jelly bean will transition faster, maybe a fifth of a second faster. I think this slight delay is what gives iOS its "smoothness"

The back button I completely disagree on. Any time I open a browser window I use the back button to go to the previous page. Foe example I was searching for breath of fire 2 walkthroughs earlier today and I always hit the back button to go back to Google search. Sometimes I just keep pressing the back button to exit the app. The browser has built in back button but I have never used it.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
i didn't know people used 10 different devices on a daily basis.
[Nexus 7 General] NotablyNice:
Terrible review. Don't quit your day job (if you have one)
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
I don't either but the OP of that comment states that the back button was consistent, which is clearly is not.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Damn. I just quit my 3 jobs to live off all the money I'll make of my review...

From My Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 General] bigbird21:
I don't understand the point of original review anymore. what's the point of owning a new gadget if not using it to the max and having as much fun as possible. In case of nexus 7, there is plenty of apps and features that are more exciting than iPad. Why not explore new territory instead of trying to insist why Nexus 7 is not iPad? (tho' theme-ing UI into iOS is popular past time activity)

posting how-to youtube video for Nexus 7 + mac would make more money than keep repeating tired rant on android UI compared to iOS.
[Nexus 7 General] b4silver:
So r u saying that a 3g iPhone running the original software it shipped with will also be faster? BC I have one laying around and could downgrade the software to it and possibly maybe make a video comparing to nexus
[Nexus 7 General] NotablyNice:
Your review is biased and flat out sucks. I'd imagine you were fired from your job rather than quitting.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
"NotablyNice" is that supposed to be ironic? Because you're a douche.

Yup. So is every other review on the planet.

Way to back up that bold claim! My dad can beat up your dad!

Sic burn! You didn't agree with my review, that means I must suck at life. I see the correlation there...
[Nexus 7 General] darkmanx2g:
Op hit the home button for the third time and he had to go back to iPad? Pretty fair if you ask me lol.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Unless you saved your SHSH it would be basically impossible.

iOS has two key features, the "rubber band" effect whenever you get to the top/bottom of a list and inertial scrolling, means the longer or faster you swipe translates into how fast the scrolling will be. Android basically has one consistent scroll speed. Had I only used Android, I wouldn't really know a difference.

Next time you have a chance use an iOS device and use an app that has a long list, like twitter, and do a bunch of scrolling up and down. Then

compare that to an Android device. Now you might not think that iOS is "better" but I'll bet we can agree that they feel different.
[Nexus 7 General] b22ri22an:
OP, rma your nexus 7, my nexus 7 registers nearly 100% of my touches, seriously i have to think back to the last one that didn't register and can't remember what or when it was.

no android device is ever going to be an ipad there just different animals. if your expecting an android device to be like an ipad sorry to disappoint you.

i like the back button and use it very often. my nexus 7 is my remote phone dialer and text, its my car stereo, my navigation unit, video player, web access, database of address with corresponding data of time, date, order totals, and tips, calculator and more. the back button is there so in a unified place you can back out of where you are at instead of having to remember where each developer put the way out. between the back button and the app switcher i can fly through all the open apps I use on a daily basis for work and entertainment.
[Nexus 7 General] PVL_93_RU:
I think you all have been trolled by the topic starter
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
Er.. seriously?

Strange. My OCD means I have to have it my way. Your OCD apparently means you have to have it Apple's way.
[Nexus 7 General] NotablyNice:
You suck at life regardless of your pathetic review. Don't you ever forget that.
[Nexus 7 General] niteowl360:
@danakers

Beautifully written and thanks for the text messages tip via Bluetooth to Htc One X. I'm going to give that a bash now.

Cheers
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>Last year, I became such an Apple fanboy, I bought myself a Mac Mini and an Apple TV.

>The simple fact is that Android does everything the iPad does.

>For me, Asus' Google Nexus 7 is the perfect tablet.

Interesting and scary to see how fanboys ascribe to the same absolutist thinking as religious nuts--"does everything," "is perfect," etc. I suppose we all need to believe in something, and if not Jesus, then why not in your fav tech tribe, eh?

Oh yeah, I think you can officially re-christen yourself as an Android fanboy with the above. Welcome ye to the Google House of Faith! :)

For others: If you ever catch anybody starting out his pitch line with "The simple fact is that..." punch him in the nose and tell him to start over.
[Nexus 7 General] suchavibrantthang:
majority of this planet has played with an apple device at some point in their life so it's not like Android users are just moronic about what it can do. everyone knows what an ipad and iphone can do. droid users just choose droid cause it just does more. to say an ipad is is better than a n7 means you really haven't tested all the capabilities and/or you just don't know how to navigate the UI (which is almost everytime a apple users attempts to use android).

:silly:
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
Yep. Seriously, that's why I own both an iPad 3 and a Nexus 7 (well, I will own a Nexus 7 once I can find one without defects). Neither "do everything," and there are absolutely some areas where one is better than the other. Same reason I bought a MacBook Air and run Windows 7 in Parallels. Both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses, and so my approach is to simply avoid the decision by getting one of each.

Now, if I didn't have the means for such indulgences, then I'd likely settle on the Nexus 7 and a Windows machine. The Nexus 7 does fit my workflow better because I can more easily edit documents and sync them across more platforms (very hard to do with the iPad), and Windows because I own more Windows software and that's what we use at work.

But saying either is unequivocally better than the other? Ignorant, IMO.
[Nexus 7 General] Harry GT-S5830:
Wrong, SHSH blobs were introduced in iOS4! You can go as low as iPhoneOS 2.0 on the iPhone 3G
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
Funny, I'd bet that 90% of the folks in this thread who are bashing Apple have never used an iOS device beyond five minutes or so. I'll bet very few have actually explored the App Store for iPad apps to really be able to say whether or not the iPad-optimized app situation is really an advantage.

Being an Android user since about December of 2010, and only recently purchasing an iPad 3, I stand by my position stated a few times elsewhere that both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses. So much so, in fact, that I submit it's impossible to classify one as categorically "better" than another. It really comes down to the individual's use case.

And seriously, it really is silly to imply that someone who prefers the iPad over the N7 necessarily hasn't explored the N7. And to say "silly" is being kind...
[Nexus 7 General] bigbird21:
In general, what iPad specific apps that are unique? I am sure there are plenty, but what are they specifically?

- not a simple apple specific utility (common task that is built in for android)

- not a minor variation of common apps (eg. notepad 1, notepad #2 with ifart function, notepad #3 with clown chuckle alarm) let's suppose if the download count is very low. there aren't that many interest amongst iPad user. so the impact is low. (say sub 4-500) Common example is 'simple calculator'

- not small arcade games. (say under 10meg, that are variation of a theme. physics/accelerometer game, side scrolling, iteration of famous puzzle games.) etc. anything that average user here will agree it's a 5 minutes play once game. very generic and will be quickly ported to android has somebody shows interest.

so basically, what are the big, popular, unique one that android still doesn't have? what are app categories that android still lacking..

most of "best ipad apps" posted online all have android equivalent or same title.
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Not an IOS user here, but I would expect to see content creation apps in that list.

I would never use a tablet to create power point slides, but I would suspect many do.

Likewise, I would never compose a song on a tablet, but I bet there are apps for that.

Speaking as a programmer, I would never write and debug code on a tablet - but who knows...

So Apple users, what apps are available to help you create?
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Pages - Word processor

Keynote - Slide show maker/presenter

Number - spread sheet app

Reeder - By far the best Google Reader app

GarageBand - A complete music creation app for iOS. You can use on screen instruments or plug in real ones. Even mix multiple tracks together.

iPhoto - Photo editing software, and organizer for iOS.

iMovie/Avid Studio - Quick and easy to use movie editing app for iOS.

DietCoda - Code editing app. CSS, HTML, PHP, etc.

Those are just off the top of my head.
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
The guy is full of ****e, I have an iphone 1 here with me now, sooo tempted to do a video comparison just for this guy. LOL

Also, I'm sure I read that Jelly bean has been proven to be actually faster & smoother than IOS 6 - not to mention the ton of extra features android offers in comparison.

iOS is even worse now it doesn't have a YouTube app or Google Maps. :)

Fact is, I there is absolutely no reason to spend more than double on a tablet that offers nothing extra.

It's the Nexus that has a quad core cpu, not dual core like the ipad.

It's the nexus that has the 1.2mp front camera, not the 0.3mp one like the ipad3.

Gaming performance (fps) are identical when running apps at the screens native resolutions,

Nexus is more portable, easier to hold, and easier to game on
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Do it. I'll actually buy it off you if it's in good shape.

It's been written about and proven! How can I compete with that! TONS of features! Android fanboys love their check lists...

If only I could access YouTube.com via a browser... Oh wait. I can! Also Google is developing new Maps and YouTube apps for the App Store.

Offers nothing extra, for YOU. Perhaps. But I don't think you're in a position to speak for every other human.

Specs! Checkboxes! More equals better!

How convenient you forgot about the 5mp camera on the back. MOAR checkboxes!

Funny, you would think it would be SO much better being a quad-core and all... SPECS!

That's not subjective or biased at all... Pure fact right there.

Gimme a break.
[Nexus 7 General] bigbird21:
Pages - Word processor

Keynote - Slide show maker/presenter

Number - spread sheet app

- Google doc. (cloud stuff)

- Kingsoft (it's free. more usefull than you think)

- Office suite, DTG, Quickoffice (payware.)

Reeder - By far the best Google Reader app

- gReader (what's wrong with this one? Plenty fo people use it)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/....android.greader.reader&feature=search_result

iMovie/Avid Studio - Quick and easy to use movie editing app for iOS.

- You can find 'Movie Maker' apk around. it was free on 3.0. but google yanks it out. (probably getting sued over codec by somebody). but regardless, there are at least 3 freebie simple video editor.

Andromedia (look, you not gonna make a cinema masterpiece with this, but good enough for youtube quickie stuff.)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.techcatmobile.andromedia&feature=search_result

iPhoto - Photo editing software, and organizer for iOS.

- This one is absolutely a dime a dozen, due to Android true file system. There are gazillion camera-editor/effect-cataloger. I dare say Android is far stronger in photographic apps than iOS. Photoshop is probably the best app for more involved work. But for wuickie fun, there got to be a bazillion apps out there.

old competition, but still worth seeing.

http://bestappever.com/awards/2011/winner/phte

DietCoda - Code editing app. CSS, HTML, PHP, etc.

please man. this is a dime a dozen. Android root is Linux. basic web tools exist before apple invented iOS. This is one of Android strength. BusyBox and friends maybe?

Here is a popular one.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aor.droidedit

(ps. that thing is $20 buck? holy batman ripoff. Basic tool should be open and free)

GarageBand -

yep, this area apple wins. This is not a simple mixer, but easy to use mixer. (there are plenty of mixer in android, but pretty complicated to use)
[Nexus 7 General] Uh60m Pilot:
My wife has a free Verizon ipad from her work. I use it time to time to use applications like foreflight or check the weather. While I can say that some of her apps are better rendered than ios I can say that compared to the Nexus 7 it is not nearly as comparable. My phone is a Photon 4G but I have had an ipod touch and iphone in the past.

Long and short JB is really a fantastic step for android. I continually take it hands down over ios. It is so much more customizable. I am a hacker and that makes me hate the ios platform and everything it stands for.
[Nexus 7 General] Sharky157:
Your review is a pathetic lame fanboy flame of android and its users...
[Nexus 7 General] guineaa:
Some of you Android diehards are every bit as pigheaded, stupid, and sheeple-like as the biggest Apple fanboys you decry, in fact a hell lot worse given the known problems the Nexus 7 is beleaguered with. MacRumors has a magnitude more diversity of opinion compared to the defensiveness I read here since there are tons of former Windows users on the MacRumors board. To be honest, some of you guys sound like the Apple fanboys 15 years ago, when it really was a damn cult with persecutory complex.

Jesus Christ, what a waste of humanity.
[Nexus 7 General] SugarMouth:
"Project Butter: While 4.1 (and the Nexus 7) is the smoothest, fastest, and most consistent Android experience I’ve had; the first iPhone with iOS 1.0 still puts it to shame."

Not a chance! Refresh your memory and pick up a Galaxy Nexus and an iPhone 2g and tell me which is smoother!
[Nexus 7 General] Seihaku:
Eh I have an iPad, I prefer Jelly Bean to the current iteration of iOS, my Nexus 7 is silky smooth though the web browser on the iPad is a little faster... but every one is entitled to their opinion. I had an iPhone OG and yeah, that thing would let you slide icons around smoothly for a few minutes and then go to crap. Ran apps horribly.

iOS does have better apps, they cost money but they're solid. I just don't really like the look and feel of iOS.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Thanks for the important, worthwhile comment. You really contributed to the thread.

Wait. No you didn't. Thanks for trolling by!