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[Nexus 7 General] bigbird21:
Here is a quick look at built in apps (ipad vs. N7)

I would argue aside from movie, book titles, google has stronger app offering.

mainly map/direction, translation, cloud, and image recognition.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/built-in-apps/

Safari ------- Chrome (google wins, cloud sync)

Mail -------- Gmail (google service only.)

YouTube ------ youtube (google wins)

Maps ----- Google maps (Google wins, doesn't even compare)

??? ----- Google Current (far better than anything out there for translation)

??? --- Google Navigation

??? --- Google Now (voice and pre fetched info)

FaceTime - Google+ (I don't do multimedia IM)

Messages

Photos ------ Galery (apple wins)

Camera ----- (arguably google has better camera apps since 4.0)

Photo Booth --- (part of camera)

iTunes -------- google store (apple has university lecture)

Newsstand

App Store

iBooks - (google is far superior)

Videos - (both useless)

Music - (both too spartan)

Calendar ----- (detail varies. google has better cloud sync)

Contacts

Reminders

Notes - (not included in google built in app)

Game Center (what is this?)

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More freebie by google via playstore

- Google translate

- Google earth

- Google Goggles

- Google Drive

- talkback (usability for blind)

- Google reader

- Bunch of IMIE (korean, japanese)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Google+Inc.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Did everyone miss this line? Or the section of positive things I had to say?
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>the nexus 7 is pretty unbeatable for that price imo, and I can't wait for it's launch in Germany!

iPad mini should be close in price, probably $250 for 8GB, $300 for 16GB. N7's lower price notwithstanding, miniPad should win the popularity contest hands down--not because N7 hardware isn't good, but because the apps, brand, and user familiarity are better on iOS.

One advantage to being a Johnny-come-lately is that when N7s appear in your area, you may have the choice of picking one from either platform. For iPad users, miniPad should be an easy sell.

Anyway, that some iPad users are buying N7s is further testament that 7(ish)" is a legit size, with uses distinct from 10" tabs. What that means is that iPad mini will happen this year.

Looking forward to the competition this fall, not just from Apple, but from Amazon and perhaps other vendors as well. Lenovo A2100 line (5/7/9" tablets) piques my interest. Its S2110 tab w/ KB dock for $400 sale is also a draw.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/new-products/

>Did everyone miss this line? Or the section of positive things I had to say?

I think people were overwhelmed by your wall-of-text. Try to be more succinct. Less is more.

That, and negativity stands out more than positivity.
[Nexus 7 General] PiracyX:
I'm sorry but what a disgraceful review that was.

An APPLE fanboy reviewing an ANDROID device...hmmmm =-O
[Nexus 7 General] iamfightaa:
Another trash review by the isheeps ....

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Well said.
[Nexus 7 General] BrianDigital:
Firgured it a troll/fanboy blog once I saw there were no paragraphs. Dear god man that crap is hard to read. When you get a refund and take composition coarse at a community college or something
[Nexus 7 General] Element515:
lol, there were positives in your review what? I saw you liked apple and skipped to the negatives section
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
people like you are no different from the apple fanboys.
[Nexus 7 General] saadi703:
Lolz @ last sentence. For most part of your review you are spot on.
[Nexus 7 General] bckrupps:
I'm gonna stick by what I said. They both have pros and cons but I'm sure glad to have them both. Look at the bright side I also tried the hp touchpad and blackberry playbook. You could hear crickets when you went to their appstores so it could be worse. If you don't like one or the other move on. If you own an apple product you are here in an android forum to either seek help or because like me you want to find out cool stuff you can do with your ANDROID tablet. Apple rocks and Android rocks. Millions of people like both. Pick one. Pick both. Enjoy and move on to contributing not *****ing
[Nexus 7 General] saadi703:
I have both and I enjoy both and I don't belong to any fanboy club. I like Google and Apple devices but when we talk about companies itself I like Google and I hate Apple because they don't want to see anyone else taking credit of doing something good and building something nice. That old man who is running apple said that apple can not invent for everyone else. It made me laugh when apple take things from here and there and claim to be their own and good part is that they get patent for that as well. Frankly no one cared much about about apple until they made an iPhone. Apple? Oh got it... you mean the company who makes iPhone. That's how people know apple and they talk about innovating for whole world.

Steve once said that he steal great ideas so what's wrong when others do that?
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
All I hear on this thread is how much better Android is over iOS because it has XYZ feature. If you read my review (and other happy iOS users) I talked about the experience of using both devices. In the end I still find iOS more touch responsive and with better UX than Android.

All you Android fanboy keep clammoring over is features, specs, and openness. "But my Android device can run tor, download BitTorrent files, use "real" multi-tasking (like two audio apps at the same time!) watch obscure anime films with sub-titles.... Blah blah blah... I don't give a s.h.i.t. about those "features" and I betting most Android and iOS users don't either. Maybe the tiny fraction of Android users here do, but guess what, I didn't write my review for you. I shared it with you, but it wasn't written just for you.

Now for the stupid "iSheep" comments... These are so dumb. Do I buy a new iPhone every year? Yes. Because I'm some lemming blindly buying anything that Apple makes? No. Because I like my iPhone, and I like the new one better than my old one. So I sell my old one and buy the new, and I either break even or make money on the deal. I'm sure you all buy every CoD game that come out (like I do) so does that make you all Activision (sheeps) since you just buy any game with CoD in the title??? Oh but that's different, right. It's not cool to hate Activision the way it's cool to hate on Apple.

Some of these other "arguments" are so dumb. You guys are *****ing that iOS is too easy to use? Wait. What? Being user friendly and easy to use should be a feature that everyone can enjoy. From computer illiterate to the highly skilled. I run a computer service business, and I am skilled with computers yet I still choose to use iOS.

Android is a good platform that has vastly improved over the last two years. I like my Nexus 7, but I like my iPad more. That's my opinion. My review wasn't an op-ed on the New York Times, or Wallstreet Journal, it was on my own blog. So I didn't have to pretend to be unbiased (no one reall is) I simply wrote down my thoughts on using the Nexus 7.

So call my review stupid, or tell me that I'm a lemming/iSheep, or how "biased" my review was. But I was honest and up front with my review, I never asked you to agree or like it.
[Nexus 7 General] miketoasty:
Cool story bro, enjoy your iPad and don't come around these parts anymore. Your "Unbiased" article has caused nothing except flaming and whining and I am sure no one in this forums is any closer to buying an iPad because of it.
[Nexus 7 General] bigbird21:
Openness matters. It's the difference between owning a device and leasing a device. In the age when every phone company get caught installing spyware, I don't think this is an overblown paranoia. this is key part of "experience", at least in XDA. The freedom to tweak. This is far more important than how many micro second is the delta of moving four row of icons on screen. There is always tweak and hack to make a software moves faster... hence why freedom to tweak is important.

"All you Android fanboy keep clam morning over is features, specs, and openness. "But my Android device can run tor, download BitTorrent files, use "real" multi-tasking (like two audio apps at the same time!) watch obscure anime films with sub-titles.... Blah blah blah... I don't give a s.h.i.t. about those "features" and I betting most Android and iOS users don't either. Maybe the tiny fraction of Android users here do, but guess what, I didn't write my review for you. I shared it with you, but it wasn't written just for you.

"

It's large enough to warrant quick development of 5 different all in one movie players from the beginning. It warrants VLC to develop one too.

I take the freedom to play whatever on the net without desktop over iTune any day.

Of course you don't give a ****. That's the reason you were happy with iTune/walled garden approach.

youtube quick stat,

play mkv on android 315

play mkv on iphone 350

play mkv on ipad 325

Google:

play mkv on iphone: 55m

play mkv on ipad : 40.9m

play mkv on android: 20.7m

obviously a good deal of people are making video or posting something on the net.... millions of them. they can't be all bored and crazy.

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music player concurrency.

1. all music player will play at once if you turn them on all at once. (most people only turn one on)

2. google music player will pause if one launches youtube/phone ring. (but will play concurrently if you hit play again.)

3. quick on/off/pause for all players are on notification bar.

4. each music player has different behavior, some have setting when to shut itself off. (what to do when in background, screen lock, some has clocked time out, Idle time out, etc) I believe amazon music player is about as useful as getting herpes. (amazon users deserve amazon crappy software. lol.)

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From market point of view. Android is superior platform period. There are more android device than there is iOS. annually it's 1:5 ratio.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
My review WAS biased. That's what I'm saying. Everyone is biased. I didn't write my review, or post it here, to sell iPads. Why would I? I don't care how many iPads Apple sells, but they clearly don't need help selling the, I'm not trying to convince the masses here to switch to iOS either. Use whatever you want, this was a review of a product I bought, not a post trying to sell anything.

It was crazy of me to think that maybe I could have an honest chat with Android people here about iOS and Android. Maybe find some good apps, or ways to use my Nexus 7, but instead all I found was rabid fanboys.
[Nexus 7 General] stezo2k:
Sounds like a very biased review if you ask me. The nexus 7 is every bit as smooth as the iPad
[Nexus 7 General] miketoasty:
A review is supposed to be unbiased or else its not a review its why you like one device over the other.

It would be more crazy for one of us to go over to Apple forums and tell them why a device that cost have as much as theirs is so much better. You would get the same exact responses you are getting here.
[Nexus 7 General] Ursadorable:
Woah, what is with all the rabid apple bashing. Both iOS and Android obviously have valid markets or there would only be one. Such vitrol in posting does little to validate ones position other than to look childish. As someone who's honestly switching from iOS to Android (for my own reasons which I don't need to rant about), I certainly don't want to be considered just another rabit android fanboi.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Thanks for a considerate response.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
Except if you're being fair and objective, you will know that it's not.

It's gotten much better as of JB, but it's still not there.
[Nexus 7 General] rmm200:
Show me an IPad with dynamic widgets scrolling more smoothly than JB and I will believe you.

Sounds like the usual "We are really limited in our capabilities, but we sure are smooth at it".
[Nexus 7 General] rhirons:
I've come from a iPhone4 & iPad2 setup to a galaxy S2 and Nexus 7 setup so I've had plenty of time as others have to play with both systems.

The original review compared the lack of data on the go. Are you forgetting that you can easily tether your phone to the nexus7? Without the need for an additional contract. The nexus 7 is equally as smooth as the iPad is (which is crazy due the fact that I have live wallpaper and widgets running all over the place). The typing issue you mentioned regarding hitting the home button is only your experience. I've never done it once. Compared to typing on an iPad, the smaller screen size is a god send.

If you want a user experience set down by Apples rules then by all means continue with their products. The main reason I moved to Android was (at first) the overwhelming mod options I had available. However, I can totally understand why the majority of users don't want to tinker with theirs devices and stick to apple.

I sold my iPad 2 to get the Nexus 7 and I've never regretted. IMO, Apple isn't moving fast enough. They really need to get their finger out. They've been comfortable for too long and I've seen no new innovation since the launch of the iPhone4 and original iPad. This time 18 months ago about 95% of my friends all had iPhones, today only a few have stuck with them, choosing to go for a top range android handset instead.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Show me a Nexus 7 with no live wallpaper and no widget scroll as smooth as an iPad and I'll believe you.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
turn off live wallpapers and widgets then.

why is it so hard for someone to believe that the "other side" is better at some things?

this applies to both camps.

i rid myself of my last iOS device (unless an old ipod classic counts) and converted to a galaxy nexus and N7 but i can readily admit that apple is still more polished and refined in some areas than android.
[Nexus 7 General] rhirons:
I can show you mine. Does it no bother :P
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>instead all I found was rabid fanboys

I wouldn't put it as "all" or even majority, but certainly a plurality. It goes with the demographic: early adopters of Nexus toys tend to be, ah, ardent. Some common sense would've reduced the furor. Your thread title is pure catnip for fanboys who want to demonstrate their faith. It's like walking through a back alley while flashing big rolls of cash, then complaining afterward that you got mugged.

I skimmed through your overlong spiel--dude, PARAGRAPH BREAKS!--and found that most of your negs stem from your immersion in the "Apple Way," and having to adjust to a different approach.

The complaint about the Back button is emblematic. The button, which hails from the PC's Escape key, is probably the single most intuitive function in all of PC-dom: It lets you back out of a given sequence or situation. Its consistent function is a hallmark of usability. To say that there are various other ways to replicate the button is backward reasoning (scuse the pun): You're reducing usability by removing consistency. Weird to see an Apple user to argue for more complication.

Then again, it's normal, because that's how Apple does things, and you're used to it. We all acclimate to our environment. Yours is representative of the difficulties users face when trying a different platform, with different ways of doing things.

I think part of the so-called user loyalty that Apple enjoys isn't so much because Apple toys are that much better, but because of platform lock-ins--intentional or otherwise--as you inadvertently demonstrated. It's hard to switch between platforms.

It's why I think the iPad mini will be a smashing success over the N7: It's just better for those already inside the Apple ecosystem, which currently is a sizeable portion of the population. For Android to get ahead, it will have to offer more tangible benefits.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
As "easy" as it might be to tether, it's still cost money to get a tethering plan. But tethering is a pain. I use my iPad a lot in the car (not driving) and out of the house. Switching on tethering is a pain, for the amount of times that I do it. I know because my iPad 1/2 with WiFi only. Plus my iPad 3 has LTE, my iPhone 4S does not.

FYI: There is no contract with the iPad data plans, you pay by month, cancel anytime. The opposite of all the Android subsidized tablets with data...
[Nexus 7 General] rhirons:
Hmm, It must work differently in the UK then. I have an unlimited data plan on my phone contract and don't need to pay any additional money to enable wifi terthering. Tethering isn't a pain at all. Couple taps on the phone and you're good to go.

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I don't think you should speak on others behalf. I was integrated into the "Apple Way" after I got my first iPhone as at the time, they were hands down the best products available. I'm not showing my fan boy status by disagreeing with the original posters review, I switched to Android due to the lack of innovation from Apple and the want to customise the user experience to meet my needs.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Thanks for your throughout response. Is nice to have a good dialog. I did have 21 paragraphs though, not sure how many you wanted...

The issues or confusion about the back button isn't new and I've read lots of articles complaining about. I also think it would confuse the **** out of a non-geek using Android.

http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2011/07/15/the_back_button_dilemma/

http://iamtherockstar.com/blog/2011/09/13/i-hate-android-back-button/

http://www.androiduipatterns.com/2011/12/back-button-androids-achilles-heel.html

http://vbsteven.com/archives/521
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
This is really my issue with the back button. How is the back button any better for these tasks?
[Nexus 7 General] jjjsong:
IMO the main reason why Apple users won't move away from iPhones/iPads is because of the apps they've already purchased or spent money on. It's just natural to think why I should spend money on the same/similar thing again. Apple app store does have more apps (since it started earlier) and way more paid apps so it's very likely Apple users would have already bought a few things here and there.

In terms of user experience and such, I think switching from iOS to Android is much easier than the reverse, simply because Android already do whatever iOS does plus more.

So my own conclusion is that the only advantages Apple has over Google are:

(1) more apps, especially more paid apps that users have already bought.

(2) UI smoothness.

Everything else Android does it better IMO. But if you think as an average consumer, these 2 will almost warrant that user from switching to something else.
[Nexus 7 General] rhirons:
Because it amalgamates all those functions you mentioned into one. It's lets you back out of anything you've done without having to be aware of how to achieve multiple tasks.

Clicking a video link in a browser and having it switch to youtube is a perfect example. Once you were done with the video on iOS you would have to manually switch apps. For android you simple press the back button and you're back in the app you were using. Then you could go back a page by pressing the same button. Much more intuitive to me anyway.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
wow, are people really struggling this much with the back button?

either i'm a genius or I haven't used a crappily programmed app.

not even for a second did I ever think that clicking on back would cancel the download.

there's an X next to the progress bar which stops the download. it's not confusing or ambiguous at all, and this is my first android device.

trust me, coming from iOS since the OG iphone, the back button (as well as the app switcher) is a godsend.
[Nexus 7 General] e.mote:
>I did have 21 paragraphs though, not sure how many you wanted...

In online correspondence, less is more. People's reading skills are bad enough to start with, and have further degraded by their shortened attention span while online. They understand you better when you write less. It's a change I had to undergo, as I used to do wall-of-texts, too.

I liken the process to writing an exec summary of a paper, except that you skip the paper and jump directly to the exec summary.

>The issues or confusion about the back button isn't new

The concept of the back button is different from its implementation. You're arguing about its inconsistent implementation, which is a fair criticism. UI consistency is an Apple strength, and Android has room for improvement. FWIW, I think the main concern for Android at this point is simply to get more devs to do tablet apps. Once that happens, then Goog can worry about enforcing a consistent UX.

But it's also a trade-off between the Apple Way and the Android Way. With Android, there is more diversity, but less consistency. More functionality, but less simplicity. What's "better" is mostly user preference, which in turn is dictated by user familiarity.

>IMO the main reason why Apple users won't move away from iPhones/iPads is because of the apps they've already purchased or spent money on.

Yes, this is one of the many lock-ins. It's not just an Apple thing, but is true for any platform.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
1. the location of the button is consistent. a developer could plop a back button anywhere he wants on an app. he could spring a pop up notification and put the ok/cancel on the pop up itself.

2. it's closer to the thumb and easier to reach

3. since it's usually on the screen already anyway, it eliminates having the dev put a back button elsewhere saving space.
[Nexus 7 General] suchavibrantthang:
i still own froyo and gingerbread devices that perform better real multitasking than iOS. switching back and forth b/t apps is must for information and android makes that very easy from where you left off.

also not sure why the author says 4.0 ICS was where Android got unified. it's getting better and better, yes but some older devices are still rock solid and can perform tasks just as good as ics, jb stuff. some of my friends were shocked when they seen that we can video chat over 3g/4g instead of being limited to wifi instead of on the go.

in the end, it's just preference. if iOS only has a pretty screen and scrolling, then that market can enjoy that. but for techies who love to tinker with "everything" and I mean "everything", Android is the best option.
[Nexus 7 General] robertsydbrink:
So much wrong that I hope it is trolling. If not, it is pretty clear why you are a Apple user.
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
This. So much this paragraph right here. I have OCD and I love the consistency on iOS: the look, the feel, etc. Others would rather have the customization. Maybe someday we won't have to choose.

My review conclusion wasn't that the Nexus 7 (or Android) sucks, rather that it's not for me. As I stated I like the Nexus, for a lot of reasons. I just like the iPad more. I wasn't trying to sway people away from Android or toward iOS. It was just my thoughts on the device compared to the iPad.
[Nexus 7 General] niteowl360:
Been using the Nexus 7 for last few hours and its everything positive that you've read.

Thankfully no more using the wife's New iPad when checking XDA.

She is a keen reader and absolutely loves the Nexus 7 in this regard.

So I may be forced to use the iPad still :( it seems!

PS I've been trying out some of my Analog Clocks and Walls on this beaut, and happy to say they look good (if I may say so myself).
[Nexus 7 General] jayman16:
Yeah, super consistent....