yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] joao2c:
Hi Laofan.... see this post: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1889305 and understand: All you can do with the U8800-51 is in this post. Any attempt from there is "beta" .. lol. If you like to test the custom rom for u8800pro (I like) to make their own risk, but do not count on the support of those who develop firmware for U8800pro (not your phone). If you want a stable firmware and do not like to test anything else, install CM7 movida which is described in the "Custom Updated to GB GB" and be happy. The official firmware for U8800pro are generally not compatible with the model U8800-51.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] laofan:
Now I understand why I keep failing on the installing firmware. Thank you~~

Still sad about U8800-51
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] dingila:
OК. Someone will tell me about which ROM and which model phone talk in this thread!!???
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] XPbIM3:
I just dont get it:

Downloaded the ZIP in the first post. Sucessfully installed oveer recovey. Booted. Working.

Had NO AROMA installer during process, and have NO OTA tool.

What am i doing wrong?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Somcom3X:
Its like i do nothing here...

Well, pro is close to -51 so.. I clearly designated them for respect to you guys and mods.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
You have to go your device tp service then!!!

Aroma OTA are my choices to add them or not!aroma for now with daily updates its useless add what to ota applications are inside the rom also ota os useful when you updating single files latest roms are differend roms one update is based on ivans the other on shendu the other on honor i cant make an ota which is 200mb big!

Its common think ppl!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] srasiroslayer:
Is anyone else getting erratic touchscreen behavior on 1.6.2? or is my phone dying?

touchscreen lags and motion is wrong, sometimes i swipe left and it goes up, i try swiping right and it clicks to open an app.

Edit: it's not related to the rom, i'm just using a different charger and upon disconnecting it everything worked fine. looks like a common issue when charging.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Somcom3X:
Maybe he needs to upgrade his recovery?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] TUPAC_RIP:
Yes, I 've noticed that to me too. That happens to me sometimes with the official charger. I 'm with Kalo's ROM.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] XPbIM3:
To be clear:

Using the recovery from 1st post.

During install had no AROMA installer, install script done it's job and thats all.

I thought there is something wrong with my recovery, but AROMA demo(can b efound here on XDA) runs perfectly well.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] koolsk:
Yes I have also faced the same issue.while charging the touch doesn't seem to work properly
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] koolsk:
Pika

Could you please share the link for frozenpika10_v1.5.2 and frozenpika10_v1.5.3?

Thanks in advance
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Didr:
http://d-h.st/QAX 1.5.2

http://d-h.st/yfq 1.5.3
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] gkalen:
The touch issue while charging sometimes and mostly if reached 70% and over happening to all roms , confirmed that also in froyo and for both synaptics and atmel's screen.

Also it seems while charging on pc or laptop this issue dissapear.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ErisLT:
Please remove transparent notification screen

It looks realy bad and unlock fps too

P.S sorry for my bad english
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
Ok my bad tests show that kernel fps unlock is working maybe i put it on wrong file anyway just took uncapfps from an other rom and put it on etc/init.d isnt big a deal!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] srasiroslayer:
in my case i was still under 20% and had just installed the rom. it got me scared for a while but all is good. i'm on 1.6.2 and so far it kicks ass.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] baggino:
in this latest version, you can install Spirit fm without reboot?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] a0a0:
Hi, I'm just a bit curious, where I can find the original latest CyanogenMod10 by Ivan Autumn
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Didr:
http://d-h.st/9Tt Ivan
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
Choose whatever rom you like the most and if you want post why!!!!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] srasiroslayer:
Things are getting better by the day. but i don't always test all aspects of a rom so i miss some points.

I love 1.6.3 even though i got a lower score than 1.6.2 on antutu, 5543 vs 5310 on the latest, but i got better sdcard reads and write on 1.6.3.

I have just installed 1.6.3 and noticed that there's an issue with the gps with google maps, will try to see what it's about, i don't know if it was the same on 1.6.2.

Do you know if there will be a fix for the long pauses when booting the phone on the Huawei logo? seriously i feel it takes ages, but when the animation starts it's quite fast.

By the way..... no more gangnam style pokemon animation? very formal rom.

:)

Thank you Pika

edit: also choppy video playback even though I'm on 1400mhz.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
Camera and video problem still exists, as pika mentioned.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
I'm unable to install 1.6.3 says bad zip :(
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] meghanand:
Try to put & install it from internal SD card, I also faced the same problem.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
I tried from the internal sd too! same issue.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] meghanand:
Ohh.. hope you have verified md5sum as well.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] a0a0:
pikachukaki please can you tell me where i can find shen kernel source code ?? thanks
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
didnt get you there...
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] srasiroslayer:
there's a tool that verifies the corruption of large downloaded files called md5sum. the md5 hash is on the download page of the file. if both hashes are similar, file is good. in your case, i would assume downloading the file again would solve it.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
thanks man, yeah, the sum was different. will download and try again.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ErisLT:
Task manager

Why you removed task manager in 1.6.3?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] meghanand:
Its there, long press home key, shows 'kill all' and 'Task manager'
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] srasiroslayer:
i wanna ask about the 3g issue with sim cards. i'm aware there's an issue with 128k sims on cm10 but i honestly can't tell if mine is a 128k. it's a really old gemplus and googling it doesn't render anything. the issue is present on the 8800 pro and the u8860. any help is appreciated regarding this issue since i've been searching forums, and if any updates or news are available would be grateful.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] meghanand:
Ouch... it dose nothing ... :(
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
I release the latest cm10 based on latest shendu...still the dev of shendu is more of fixing their bugs not cm10...still camera bug still hw acceleration bug...and still not a working rom as i want it to be...so im going to release an update ONLY and IF ivan fixes hw acceleration so it be more smooth camera and rils!!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] a0a0:
can you pm me ivan email ?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
difference between 1.6.3 and 1.6.4? only the latest shendu rom-based right?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Avengro:
About 1.6.4, it's first release with good sound from ext speaker(so und on low volume). Notification screen looks really awful. And last thing that i found for now that chrome browser is buggy on your roms since 1.6.2
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
no

yes

chrome needs hw acceleration to work cm10 doesnt have it properly!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] massi729:
Gps is working?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] meghanand:
Regarding FrozenPika 1.6.3

Hi,

I flashed my U8800-pro couple of days ago from stock ICS, installed CWM 6 by Ivan, and flashed (latest) available version of FrozenPika (i.e. 1.6.3) without reading anything about know issues :D.

Overall experience is very cool,CM10 far better than stock ICS ROM

Camera is working fine so far, observed no issues

Data issue observed on both 2G/3G networks, I tried both 128k (BSNL) & 16k (Idea) SIM cards, (looking 64k for testing)

I somehow managed (using various combination at APN & testing menu) to use 3G data using my BSNL 128k SIM card for some time but it

went away again.

Not able to search/manually select network, returns "Error while searching network"

Google Now is aweasome (as long as data is working fine :D).

Phone goes little unresponsive some times while locking/unlocking screen.

Problem with Google chrome ( got explanation from previous post.)

Now able to get neighbour cell IDs (Its was stopped working after upgrading to ICS from Gingerbread)

Thanks again pika for wonderful ROM, only serious issue is 2G/3G data.

Thanks,

Meghanand
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] a0a0:
Please can you ask him if would like share kernel source, on git would be great

I do not understand Chinese and I can not sign up to ask him on his blog

Thanks
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Avengro:
There's one bug and it exists on all cm10 roms. Problem is on app called sopcast. It's stream player and watching any stream there's no sound and adjusting volume affects not media volume but calls, messages and etc volume.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
Ivan will never release his sources for nothing...for many reasons...first is that he is the only one having device tree for u8800pro and this is his work...he pays to make shendu rom....
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Didr:
Pika, this SUPER FIRMWARE!!!! :) I really like it!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] modyn05:
hi pika

from 1.6.2 + 1.6.3 + 1.6.4 when i flashed these roms my mobile very very slow i dont know why ???

please advise me

Thanks
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
mobile data still doesn't work in roaming. back to ICS..
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] prakharkmr27:
lol :D

for me it doesn't even work at home.. forget roaming! :p

Surprisingly, my mom's 4 year old AirTel SIM works perfectly.. (more than 4Mb/s 3G speed!) :D

This makes me conclude that mine is 64k (or probably 128k) :crying: :crying:

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1.6.2 is a different ROM from 1.6.3 & 1.6.4 (I think) :confused:

so, "all wipes" are required prior to flashing 1.6.3 :silly:

If the problem still persists, try playing with the CPU frequencies and Governors

I recommend Min 122 MHz, Max 1.2 GHz or 1.4 GHz, Governor- ONDEMAND :good:

if still stuck, change the Governor to PERFORMANCE ;)
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] meghanand:
Yes, for me too, its not working in roaming with BSNL 128k SIM card, Its working fine with Airtel 64k SIM.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] meghanand:
Well 2G/3G data started working with my BSNL 128k (in roaming as well) after upgrading to 1.6.4.

Its still not stable, has frequent disconnections, but working atleast.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
Synchronization CM10.1, and then I go to sleep, and next week free, then the official Starter Edition 11 to update!

This is from geno microblog..lets hope he means u+ too!!! ^^
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Generation_Next-2000:
Use Zram and set it to hard multitasking

Governor >> Performance

CPU Freq : 1.4 GHz

Scheduler : noop

Its working smooth for me on this setting
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] kickban:
Battery?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Generation_Next-2000:
Ya, if u keep it on performance constantly, battery will drain fast... on normal usage mine lasts for 14-15 hrs, net on full time, texting and normal stuff... u can keep on Ondemand also...
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Grantas20:
Thank you pika for this awesome rom. One of the best I have ever tried. For me 3G works pretty much ok, and the rom itself is very fluent (though 1.6.3 was laggy). I am using 1.6.4. I just wanted to share some bugs-problems that occured to me and if posible would be very nice to be fixed:

1. I really miss the wi-fi hotspot (for me it doesn't work. It freezes onturning on wi-fi), because i use it a lot for my notebook. Don't know if it's possible but it worked on some other JB roms.

2. I noticed that was something mentioned about a camera problem. For me camera works fine, but it doesn't work on other programs, like various qr code scanners.

3. A minor problem. Sometimes the screen flickers, when i press the unlock button (when unlocking phone).

4. It would be nice to have smartass governor, though it is not so important.

5. I can't add flaslight toggle to notification drawer.

6. When i press alarms in clock the clock force stops.

7. And finnaly I really liked the task manager on 1.6.2, maybe it's still there but nothing happens when i press task manager (after holding home key) so I assume it has been uninstalled.

Despite all that I really like the rom, it's a masterpiece. I found my language which is very nice, as I mentioned the before the smoothness of this rom is also very good. All in all very nice and appreciated work.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] DarkSkyGhost:
6. Had the same problem, solved by complete wipe before upgrading rom (formating system).
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ErisLT:
Task manager

add this to system>app.

Then set permissions

rw-r--r--

reboot
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
Bad news!!by ivan

I have to upgrade the entire framework of the depth os changes, the future will not be portable to other systems os as the end of the package. Cause communication, camera, sound function can not be used.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] dingila:
F*** :eek: :eek: :crying:
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
No more CM10...i will release shendu for now....there is a theme support i will try to make a theme like ics cause shendu look like sh1t!!!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
As you can see chinese have no taste on beauty...this is one theme for shendu...if someone wanna change it to look more like ics be my quest

shendu_default.zip - 7.40 MB
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] massi729:
u dont fix the gps in the 1.6.4 rom???
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] sofoklas:
I think miui themes are partly compatible.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] PetSerVas:
GPS on 1.6.4 rom not working

satelites = 0

any idea?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] joao2c:
Hi. I don´t know if this is necessary, but....

.... you activate "internal gps" in config -> Local -> gps source ?

If don´t work, probably you have optimize gps.conf .... If necessary, post here your gps.conf.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
As you can see there isnt many thinks need fixing on shendu files to make it look like CM10...for now there is white volume (dont care really) white power menu (again not care really) but the most importand is the bigger notification panels... this is easy to fix....as ivan said that the next shendu wont be easy to port to cm10..then i will port shendu to look like cm!! ;) more to come!!!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Generation_Next-2000:
I didn't really understand what u said... who is fixing what ???

And what's in next cm10 by shendu ???
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
as ivan said that the next shendu wont be easy to port to cm10..then i will port shendu to look like cm!!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Generation_Next-2000:
And why would that be ???
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
Cos cm10 stoped a long time ago...cause the fixes that ivan makes to shendu are not going to cm10...and now the new frameworks-res that fixes camera sound and more said by ivan can't ported to cm10...so you want to stay with a lib only fixes cm10 or a proper updated shendu with cm10 looks?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Somcom3X:
Would we get theme Chooser?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] PetSerVas:
Yes, internal gps activated

I tried gps.conf from 1.6.4 and 1.6.3

position determines

satelites NULL
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] prakharkmr27:
Go ahead! Give us ShenDu :thumbup: :D

ShenDu theme isn't bad.. it looks somewhat like MIUI..

I think ShenDu also will provide 3rd party themes like MIUI does.. so themes won't be a problem at all :thumbup:

[No offence intended] - I really liked that brown theme (which u posted before), more than this CM10 theme. :p

The horizontal (date, day and time) bar in the notification pull-down should be completely black/opaque.

Thank u :)

Sent from my awesome Ideos X5 (U8800PRO)!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] joao2c:
Hi. Try my gps.conf and edit ntp server with your region ( http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/@ ).
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] MyNameIsKappa:
Pika, could you please post the link for ORIGINAL SHENDU ROM without any modification? Thank you
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=136399&uk=3926100596
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] white_cat:
just installed last version...my vodafone128kb not working and have always error about keyboard
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Somcom3X:
128 does not work correctly. Read the thread dude.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] prakharkmr27:
How stupid I was to expect that Mobile Data will work on this ROM! :banghead:

Sent from my awesome Ideos X5 (U8800PRO)!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
lol... patience dude.. stick to ics for now
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] meghanand:
Well have you tried 1.6.4, my 128k BSNL 3G working smoothly, even in roaming now.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Brenson:
Hello to all ...... i have u8800 pro and wanted to try this ROM: FrozenPika10v1.6.4 put ICS journal / put the FrozenPika10v1.6.4 does not start and i am in recovery mode ....... practically does not start the ROM ...... why?

Clicca qui per ricevere aiuto da veri
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] dingila:
Sorry but I do not understand what you did and what you want to do :)
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Brenson:
Tried before but it is not a good thing ....... the signal 3g absent.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Didr:
Put first ICS, then the instructions 1.6.4
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
are you perfectly sure? data connection working in roaming? i haven't tried 1.6.4 yet, because data in roaming didn't work in 1.6.3
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Brenson:
Hello, today I come home I try again and let you know, hello.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] prakharkmr27:
are u sure its 128k?

lemme try again..

Sent from my awesome Ideos X5 (U8800PRO)!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Brenson:
There is a problem though ...... just part I opens in an exceptional error window on the keyboard ... .... How can I do?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] meghanand:
Yes, even I faced data connectivity issue in roaming on 1.6.3, but after upgrading to 1.6.4 its working smooth, even better than stock ICS :D
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
1 more issue:

whenever i try to install some 3rd party app which requires me to login to my acc, play store and gmail force close everytime. clearing their data doesn't solve the problem either.

what is the solution to this force closing?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Brenson:
I tried to put back this ROM 1.6.4 BUT 3 g signal is not working ..... I see (not always) the inscription Postemobile but nothing doing ... If anyone knows how to do well here places or other procedure on how to do this ... because this ROM I wanted to have it
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] SidViciau5:
STILL not working GPS.

1.6.4 STILL not working GPS.

What should I do?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Brenson:
guys .....for now I stay at Kalo B876 return ... ... I wanted to use this ROM 1.6.4 but the 3 g does not work ... ... I hope that this problem will fix
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
i need adb logcat -b radio from 128k sim on cm10 if someone with 128k knows about logcat to help ivan fix it!!!

also ivan have 4.2 working on u+ :P
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] gleb_grid:
What does it mean? It mean that I think?!:eek:
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] prakharkmr27:
I'm trying this tomorrow! :thumbup:

Sent from my awesome Ideos X5 (U8800PRO)!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
I want logcat asap....vodafone italy or any other carrier with 128k sim!!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] freelancer1995:
Where?? link? on android 4.2
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Brenson:
I know that you are good at your job and I hope that we can use your ROM in Italy .... too nice .... I like are operator with Postemobile.

EDIT: I'm not a programmer but on the net I saw this : https://gist.github.com/3206907
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
Im uploading android 5 now wait....WTF ppl...did i say i have android 4.2???

Where do you find this??the sim problem isnt only for italy!!!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Brenson:
I do not know Pika ..... I saw the page and I thought it might be helpful
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
You dont know what logcat is eh???
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] cuvetto:
Pika, is possible to create a logcat log with androidcommander????
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
You can see the logcat but can't save it and can't make specific logcat for radio!!!so use the SDK logcat!!!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] cuvetto:
I learned to use logcat, can you tell me the command to send to take a logcat -b radio in cmd.exe?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
yup after that save the log and post it here as an attachment not copy paste!!!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] prakharkmr27:
I'm unable to do it myself as my laptop's charger blew up last night.. :banghead:

Can somebody else try?

please! :(

Here is some help-

"[GUIDE] Installing ADB/SDK

and How to make a logcat"

( xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1616059 )

AND

"Learn to logcat like a pro!"

( forums.androidcentral.com/general-help-how/141073-learn-logcat-like-pro.html )

Sent from my awesome Ideos X5 (U8800PRO)!

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Good!! :thumbup:

Thank God! :)

Sent from my awesome Ideos X5 (U8800PRO)!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] assassinator:
Internal SD Problem

He man thanks for the awesome ROM.

I am on version 1.6.4. Everything is fine but I got a small issue.

I do not have an external SD card.Is there a way to make the internal sd default so that I can use the camera.Currently the camera App refuses to open saying "No external storage available" and displays a toast to insert an SD Card before using the camera.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] ameypv:
I'm on roaming now. Data connection doesnt work :( i have a 64kb docomo sim.:(
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] gleb_grid:
Pika, what about 4.2 developing progress?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Brenson:
no :P
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
Logcat you too...

No camera need sd card!

NOthing for now....

You are making posts all day wanting me to fix bugs and all i ask you is a simple small logcat so ivan can fix YOUR problems...i dont have 128k sim my 3g working and i dont really care about 3g i dont use it....so stop asking stupid questions and someone give me a LOGCAT!!!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] meghanand:
Hi Pika,

I will send you logcat tomorrow, I'm using 128k SIM card,but with no data issues :D
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] prakharkmr27:
I just found out (finally!!) that my SIM is 64k.. (..and still no Mobile Data on CM10/ShenDu. even though I'm NOT ROAMING!)

That means the problem doesn't lie in the incompatibility of 128k SIMs with these ROMs (or vice-versa).. So, no need to generalise the radio bug as being "128k SIM specific" :cool:

Sent from my awesome Ideos X5 (U8800PRO)!

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What's the use of the logcat then??!

I think I'll have to move to Mumbai for using CM10.. ;) :p

I really envy u guys (meghanand & ameypv) !! :D

Sent from my awesome Ideos X5 (U8800PRO)!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] a0a0:
has ivan fixed microphone problem and hw aceleration problem? Pika thanks for the info
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] pikachukaki:
I want all the logcat about the baseband releated....even with 128k 64k 1k i dont care...i want logcats from everyone that has problem with sim&carrier&3g&pin&dont recognise the sim.... no other logcats just the logcats i want!!!

Other releated bugs like camera hw acceleration has been fixed only for shendu...we can't port it no more..thats why ivan told me that he will compile one last cm10 thats why he needs the logcats!!!

So the more quick you post your logcats the more soon ivan will compile cm10...stop asking questions and do something for the rom you use!!!