yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Pilsor:
Strange , in fact it should automatic USB connected.

Perhaps you come from another ROM ? using the right "recovery.tar.md5" file with Odin v.1.85

http://theunlockr.com/2012/05/11/ho...od-recovery-on-the-wifi-only-galaxy-tab-10-1/

http://theunlockr.com/2012/05/18/how-to-root-the-wifi-only-galaxy-tab-10-1/

ICS, use CWM 5.0.2.7

JB, use CWM 6.x.x.x

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Just want to say how wonderfull this ICS ROM is.

Being a few days at home (sick,bronchitis) I had the time & chance to check out the new CM10 (nightly) Roms wich now included Pershoot's kernel Kernel 3.1.10 from 19/11.

I did it all the way, CWM 6.xxx for CM10 , Factory reset + all wipes + format system , Nightly build cm-10-20121121-NIGHTLY-p4wifi & cm-10-20121123-NIGHTLY-p4wifi , reboot , GAPPS JB, reboot ... so all went fine.

SETCPU: governor interactive 1400MHz - NOOP

After 2 days I came to this conclusion: I can't see the surplus value of Jelly Bean , except some "new" "GUI" defined apps ...

After a while I mentioned a kind of lag by screen rotation.

So I went back to Toldos v7 ICS rom (included YODAs kernel 2.4):

Using the right CWM 5.0.2.7. and my Nandroid backup/RESTORE

Now I have again a smooth/stable feeling.

Thanks Toldo.

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Have send you a PayPal BEER, thanks for the Rom :)

Keep up the good work.

3XF08318XN4931845
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
It's always nice to hear kind words ;) And thanks for the beer :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] minahlepak:
No prob. :laugh: :good:
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] alvineinstein:
I came from the stock rooted rom with cwm 5.5.0.4 from www.galaxytabhacks.com

thats the only option available even on the website u gave me, v5.5.0.4
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
You did wipe, right? And you had stock ICS before?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] alvineinstein:
yes i wiped and i was on stock ics. ill try to flash ics back and ill tell ya

EDIT: Still the same problem.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] 11nn93n9:
Anyone has installed the T859 on a P7500R? I am on T-mobile network with an unlocked P7500R and can only get 2G data speed. I wonder whether 1) the T859 can be installed on a P7500R and 2) does it make a difference on the 1700Mh band that t-mobile uses for 3G.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Apop10:
Hello maybe is a stupid question, this ROM have allshare.apk and The other samsung stuff?

Enviado desde mi GT-P7510 usando Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Some of the stuff is removed but available in separated package (deleted apps). Install instructions in the OP.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Spacket:
Can i use this ROM with my P7501?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Sure you can. Choose the P7500 version.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] kRel:
Gmail dark appet (or clear) in Toldo's ROM

Hi all ... I have the Toldo's ROM and I use Gmail daily.

For my convenience I put white gmail applet in the main screen.

I'm trying to change its white background - which is to blows with everything else that is dark -

I tried EVERYTHING find on the web, but without success. Can you suggest a method?

(I think I have the gapps 4.2)

Thanks....
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
Gmail widget, on the market.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
You would have to modifiy some xml's inside the gmail apk. That's a lot of work because you have to change background to black and fonts to white. In my opinion it's not worth it.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] kRel:
Hi Toldo ...

I never thought to change the apk: it is too laborious.

I tried to find an alternative applet. Unfortunately, none is running. What annoys me is that I do not understand why!

Congratulations on your ROM, after having alternating with Cyano, I finally decided to Toldo

Ciao !
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
For the exact same reason I searched and found gmail widgets. The apk is on the market I even bought it. It's not perfect but it does what it's intended for.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Nepobedimas:
Toldo, I've found the cause of Wi-Fi bug.

There is one mistake in script

delete_recursive("/system/lib/modules");

package_extract_dir("modules", "/system/lib/modules");

you are deleting all the kernel modules without installing new ones

the second string is useless because there no "modules" directory (its a copy-paste from kernel script)

so, to solve Wi-Fi ussue you have to delete string

delete_recursive("/system/lib/modules"); from install script.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Thanks for such a valuable finding. I didn't think it would be such a simple bug :D I'll fix that in the next release.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Apop10:
do you plan to,release a update? iam from argentina, congrats for the rom

Enviado desde mi GT-I9070 usando Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Jay Rock:
He just said in the post above you that there will be another release.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Sure, there will be another version but no ETA as of yet.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Anybody thought about making a petition to Samsung to fix the crappy ICS rom? I don't really care much about 4.1.2 as we most likely won't get it (maybe some feature pack :D ) but I would like to have my tab running ICS for more than one day. On HC the tab lasted nearly a week of small usage, and now with ICS I have to charge every 3 days or less. That's what's been lowering my motivation to cook, especially when I spent some time with my GF's newly bought TF300TL :/
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Fishuu:
PLEASH

Noooo ... Toldo stay with us!

You're the only one cooking up great ROMs for our 10.1
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
I'm not going anywhere ;) I can't afford a new device, besides, I'm happy with the device itself, I personally prefer it over the TF300, because it's lighter and smaller, and has a better screen. It's Samsung that f***ed up the firmware.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Fishuu:
Glad to hear that...

Yeah and sammy does not giv a F about what they done nor try to fix it...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
Good to hear that! We want you here!

Regarding the petition, I'm sure there will be a lot of us who's gonna sign it... But, is Samsung gonna"hear"it???
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
They will.

I've made one, please read, sign (if you agree) and spread the word!

http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-mobile-update-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-4
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
Done!

Maybe you should put the link on the first post, or somewhere it can be easily seen. Anyway I'll tweet/fb it.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] MistahQ:
Sorry if i missed it, but is watching videos hit or miss on ICS?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Fishuu:
Yeah good idea!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] TroPir:
Signed!

gt-p7501 3g&wifi
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
The word has begun to spread. Great!

Let's keep going. Until Samsung is hearing.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] lancem71:
Can I use this ROM on Tab 10.1 wifi only? I am currently running cm10 nightlys but need a new look.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Yes you can.

Wysyłane z mojego GT-P7500 za pomocą Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] lancem71:
Which download do I use?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
I think the files are well descripted. You have the P7510 and you have only one download available.

Sent from my OG Galaxy S with Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Pilsor:
Signed & retweet the word :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] tys0n:
Signed and shared!

Skickat från min GT-I8190 via Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Thanks guys. I will prepare a separated thread for that and polish the petition a little.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
I think, we should thank you for the idea and of course for your roms. :p
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] GreenSnow7:
Do these petitions really do any good?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] lancem71:
Thanks for the help. Very nice ROM!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Well, it worked in case of 2.3.5 for HTC Desire and partially for Galaxy S in case of that Feature Pack ;) I'd like to be optimistic about that. Hell, I'm an optimist ;)

Sent from my OG Galaxy S with Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] iTalisman:
Petition Signed...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] rasirot1456:
Hi Toldo,

I just view the latest update jellybean for Galaxy Note Tab 10.1, this was official from samsung. Samsung made an update for note 2 tab, why cant they provide our 10.1 tab. :mad:

http://www.popherald.com/news_20121127_samsung_tablet_update_premium_suite-21171

Check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr7HO3UuM_c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Fishuu:
Just a Request

Hey Toldo... I know you are busy and all, but can you like work with the Voice Call thingy on the other thread , because the Dev abandoned it :(

Just a request hope you can do do it

I my self would wanna do it but yeah I dont know ****

That would help loads of 10.1 users

Thanks
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
I personally don't know what there is to work on. Besides that mod is quite unstable, also I don't use it. I know that a lot of You guys here would like to talk through your tabs but I think having a (smart)phone is a better way, so the answer is: no, I'm sorry :)

Sent from my OG Galaxy S with Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Fishuu:
Lol! I I know but all my friends were like WTF he can call using his 10.1

Thanks anyway for the quick reply :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
I don't know about what thread you're referring to, but if its about the enable voice call, I can say that I've managed to find a solution, if I may say so, which successfully solved the screen off mute bug. It just an application which solves the bug, the apk is called awesome on off. Calls works perfect.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Fishuu:
Yes i know about that , but its still kinda buggy in some way ..

Thanks anyway!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] love is me:
Hi...i flashed the p7510 however, the wifi doesnt work. Whats wrong?

I wiped data, cach, and devlik.

My tablet is GP 7510 wifi version
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
You didn't read the first post, that's what's wrong;) Reflash any kernel, Yoda or A1.

Sent from my OG Galaxy S with Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] love is me:
Thank u. would u be kind by providing me with a link to anyone of the 2 kernels?

Thanks in advance
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1877784

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1833136

Is that hard to make just a little search?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
What version? Wiped? Not wiped? There's a newest v3 version available in the first post. Totally bug free and tested. If you had installed over previous without a wipe, then make a full wipe, and reflash the rom.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] strix75:
V3 version works great, everything works.

Installed with full wipe.

Thank you Toldo
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] blademetal:
one question.. i have V1 and work very fine... worth switch to V3?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] android_htc:
I had v2 with a working home button..... just installed v3 with a full wipe and now the home button is not working again :(
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ahaman:
i would have never thought that this day would come =) i can show off my galaxy tab to people because its smooth =D thanks dev for your hard work i will try v3 tonight because v2 had a home button bug which is kinda cruical sometimes =)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] osama_talha:
Yeh, same here everything is working like a ***** now! Installed v3 over v2 with full wipe. The initial build is now finally stable. Time to add new mods! :D

So whats up next Toldo?!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] bonzai80:
Thanks for your reply- it`s good to hear that it will work on my 7501! I am still on Honeycomb (3.2) , do i need to install first ics stock rom via Odin or is it enough to flash it through Custom Recovery with all wipes? Thanks for helping :D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
For those having trouble with upgrading from v2 to v3 even with a wipe, please flash stock, recovery and then v3. Same for the 7501, firstly stock, then custom. For what's next, I'm having a little break for couple days and will do some theming then. I have trouble with battery % but I'll do it. For now, enjoy the v3 and report any issues ;)

Wysyłane z mojego HTC Desire HD With Beats Audio za pomocą Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] blademetal:
did someone make antutu test with V3?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Yep, 4112. But if you remove Supercharger & KickAssKernelizer from init.d then you'll get same as stock, like 5200 something. It's not adequate though because overall rom is slightly faster then stock.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] blademetal:
mmm... stranger...with stock my score is 5022... with V1 is 5220
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
I had like 3800 with v1 :D Strange indeed.

/WTF? I just made benchmark with AnTuTu, Governor set to performance, both max & min cpu speed set on 1000Mhz, and I got 5205...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Ziq666:
Came from Overcome 3.2, wiped and flashed v3, everything working flawlessly so far! Great job!

Skickat från min GT-P7500 via Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] blademetal:
O.o I do not understand ... mistery hahaha....tell me.. V3 is faster of V1? or are you just placed bug?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Well, V1 had some other scripts like zipalign, etc. while v3 has only Supercharger & KickAssKernelizer so I don't really, I think they're comparable. Anyway, I will try and test couple of configurations to find out which scripts are working, which not, and which give a serious performance boost.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] blademetal:
forgive me. V1 for what should be faster of V3?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
I don't think so.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] blademetal:
ok.. sorry toldo, i'm italian and before I had misread

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i test V3.. few minutes for result

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wow.. V1 about 5220... V3 5283 (antutu benchmark 2.9) .... great...compliments toldo
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] jesongaudan:
OC kernel

is there any overclocked kernel that is compatible with this ROM?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] hanspampel:
There is no OC Kernel outside. I think Pershoot is working on it. But it takes time.;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] love is me:
Thank u.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Jay Rock:
Both are in the first page of the development board but that's how xda rolls :P
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
So true!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Pep71:
Signed
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Jay Rock:
wat
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] rubyman94:
Won't let me download the rom bro. I keep getting an error.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Jay Rock:
Looks like it's either an ad blocker issue or the browser. Try the stock browser.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] rubyman94:
Bro! Thank you! It was the ad blocker that I had! :thumbup::beer:
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ajabhi95:
This may seem like a noob question but can the Official Jelly Bean ROM of the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 be ported to our OG Tab 10.1?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Fishuu:
Press the Search Button....

But, did someone really port that ROM?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ajabhi95:
Going to have a look around in that forum and see if I find anything useful.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
I tried that but I think I need a kernel to make it work because I couldn't get it to boot. I will continue to work on it.

Sent from my OG Galaxy S with Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Thepooch:
You do good work Toldo thank you!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] jittusm:
u tried stock jelly bean of tab 2 10.1? wow is it possible to port it to our device? :) nice nice ;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Fishuu:
Oh wow

Hope to hear something good from you toldo :P
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Yeah, I tried one build but It needs a lot of work, and I can't tell if it is really possible. I mean it's just system and hardware differences are not that big but... it may be too hard or even not worth it.

Sent from my OG Galaxy S with Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Thepooch:
I hear ya they are trying on the kindle fire as well it may require a whole new kernel.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Pep71:
On page 116

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=34748235&postcount=1154

This petition for JB on the TAB

http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-mobile-update-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-4

Pep
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] fadhil3536:
download mirror for v 7

hi toldo.. don't you have mirror for this v7. i have download this for 4 times today.. when its reach 98% and always above 90% the connection failed... disconnected. thank you in advance.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
I have a poor connection. Please try downloading with a different browser for now.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
If you cannot download and with Toldo's permission I can put it somewhere else.

Here it is:

http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=7c0c5b18fbc9bc0562b41023fceac97e

the download button will appear after about 10sec, i think, at the bottom letf of the page.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Sure, give him a link ;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] fadhil3536:
Sorry bro. The link doesn't work. I use all the web browser i have. disable adblock, using laptop, pc.. Not working...any other links? Anyway thank you
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
Try here, please.

http://depositfiles.com/files/erft1vav4
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Han-Droid:
Sorry if asked before but I have a problem with the touchscreen:

I switch on/wake up the tab and input doesn't work, I need to reboot. Very annoying.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] lancem71:
Does anyone have the removed apk's download? I need google talk
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
Under the ROM download link section, are the links for the removed apks. Have you tried there?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] lancem71:
Yes and it didn't work out but that's ok because found cool app IM+ which does the job
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
Yeah, IM+ does a lot of"jobs". I even bought it 'cause I'm using it every day.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
Wipe/no wipe? Which version? 3G or Wifi?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Han-Droid:
yes, wipe

Toldo's Jelly BeanRomICS v7

GT-P7500

Baseband p7500XXKL4

Kernel 3.1.10_A1_V1.7.2_3G

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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] kRel:
Problems with Gmail update.

My request - still unanswered - was moved by a moderator from the "Android developement" in "Q & A", HERE but I think - hoping to get it right - that the request should be posted here for some conditions not mentioned immediately:

My Toldo's ROM includes Gmail 4.1.2, because during installation I have installed GAPPS 4.2. (I have maybe wrong?)

Today, Gmail propose a new update from the Store. If I try the update, I get an error message: "The pakage file was non signed correctly".

?? This error perhaps my Gmail version (GAPPS 4.2) is integrated into Toldo's ROM ??

Thanks
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] ungureanuc:
My version of gmail, from Toldo's v7 ROM is 4.1.2 and have no issue. I think there's a conflict with the gapps.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] kRel:
Thank you for your answer. Even my gmail 4.1.2 app works fine, but on Play Store, I am notified of an update, but it does not work! If I start the update I get the answer "The pakage file was not signed Correctly." There is also the option to uninstall gmail. If I uninstall gmail, gmail not reinstall anymore, in any way. I also deleted gmail from / system / data, restarting (I also used Titanium), but I can not reinstall it from the store. I always get the same answer. Is there another way? Thanks
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] kRel:
I solved it by myself ...

I uninstalled from store, then in system/app I deleted gmail.apk. Then I searched in system/app and data/app any other files related to gmail to delete them. But I have not found any files. I did also a wipe cache and Dalvik cache. I rebooted and installed again from the store gmail, checking that had been installed in system/app. Now he's back all right.

PS

But here there is no one? : (

All of you have thrown in the trash your Galaxy Tab 10.1 and wait for Santa Claus bring you the Note?

Hi...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] minahlepak:
Well...its not like there is no one....its just that...not much we can do now. >_< Waiting for a JB release from Samsung wud be like...forever. As Toldo said...if there isnt much for an update...why bother...i think...something like that... Huhuhu ;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Pilsor:
Ho ho ho you too :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] alvineinstein:
if fast charging disables the MTP connection, is there any way to disable it and re-enable them when I want to charge?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
I got a tip from a friend, that some find it wrong for a developer to earn couple coins on links to his roms/stuff through adf ly so I changed the links.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Pilsor:
Strange world?

Can't see the reason why I can't offer you a PayPal BEER ;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] kRel:
Slide Syncro and deep-sleep

A few days ago, I posted a request in the "General", but I did not answer. Using the ROM Toldo and I still here, maybe someone answer me ...

To put in deep-sleep the tablet, I manually disabled Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Sync-mail, many service, etc.etc.

I'll get the same effect placing the switch in OFF Briefcase? Exactly what that switch excludes?

Tanks
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] Toldo:
I don't think I understand. The tablet should enter deep sleep without all that stuff. Also, what do you mean by Briefcase? What switch?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] vchan:
Was he talking about the app that fixes the screen off mute problem? It seems that by preventing the tablet from going into deep sleep, the call won't be muted even the screen is off. Yet, using that app comes with a little problem, apart from the fact that the tablet won't go into deep sleep anymore, the app also turns the tablet on by tilting it. That means that if you put the tablet vertically in a briefcase, the screen will keep turning on and on.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] kRel:
Checking with CPUSpy time and the percentage of deep sleep, the tablet - under normal conditions - most of the time does not go into deep sleep but "resting" to 216 Mhz.

I also tried to understand what applications could prevent deep-sleep. I solved - partially - by freezing some apps with Titanium. But this is not a good method.

Thank you if you can recommend a better method, but in the meantime - please - tell me the function of the switch to the right of the Wi-Fi, GPS, sound, screen rotation switch called "synchronization"... (that is activated by tapping the bottom right corner).

Ciao, grazie (for all!)