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[Galaxy S II General] VanillaCracker:
I will rebuttal to this by saying for you yourself to try the rom FoIl by xfiles. It's a GB rom that tries to resemble CM7 look as closesly as possible. The roms will probably look very smiliar, so I think it will be a good test for you to see the difference between GB and ICS.

I have tried CM9, usually on Fluxi kernel, because I always found CM to be a more slower paced but accurate type of rom, and fluxi goes well with this. I preferred MIUI because it's quicker and used siyah for this. I always found CM9 to not be able to respond to my actions as fast as I was performing them...for instance going to settings: I'd press menu key, then where the system settings was going to show up; but I pressed the menu key, and then the spot where "system settings" was going to be too quickly, (because it hadn't registered/loaded it yet) and so it would press the app drawer button (behind where it was loading) instead. I'm just too quick for it. I can slow down but that's not how I run my phone. When JB gets implemented to MIUI I'll see what the deal is, but MIUI V4 is close to CM9's philosophy now anyways. It's no longer the speed rom, it's more accurate based. Could be just cus that's the touch sensitivities fault though. I find TW roms to have better sensitivity, and thus they're now the fastest imo. Regarding the last thing, performance is going to make any rom seem really fast. What performance profile does is it literally maxes out your CPU at all times. It'll be clocking in at 1200MhZ no matter what you're doing. I'm not trying to kill my cpu and am not a fond of using performance to begin with because I'd prefer to find something that 'naturally' is fast enough for me, and not needing to be handled like an old person. Delicately, and precisely.
[Galaxy S II General] Okur90:
I would agree 100% about 2-3 months ago when CM9 had touch response issues. It simply sucked to scroll, especially sideways... but the nightlies work pretty good. I am sure that the ROM you are referring to is quite smooth and all. Heck CM7 was smooth on even my old HTC Desire:) but I will stick to CM10. I need to have the latest, always ;)
[Galaxy S II General] LexterAce:
I have revert to gb after a month on ics and i can say that it is as smooth, if not smoother than ics imo. And lesser freeze and random shutdown than on ics. Although ics custom roms are getting more updates, i do sure hope 1 or 2 gb custom rom are updating.
[Galaxy S II General] manmikey:
I think there is a big difference between this kind of user such as quoted here, where many roms are flashed and a lot of trial and error. Or the desire for the phone to just work, be stable and reliable without spending hours on forums and Odin!. I'm in the latter camp and hence I prefer GB at the moment
[Galaxy S II General] sahibunlimited:
If you want to know if something is fixed or not then refer to codeworkx's thread where you will get real info

HWcomposer isn't working currently

Don't know why other ROMs have written that in their OP

This is just the start of JB so don't judge it yet;)

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Galaxy S II General] enchanterloafer:
Guys please suggest best GB. CUSTOM ROM or i have my old official Rom in backup should i flash the same?
[Galaxy S II General] GalaxyGusta:
On my device ics is the best way to go

I'm using cm9+latest siyah kernel and getting 3-4h screen time and good performance
[Galaxy S II General] c0x91:
Checkrom v6
[Galaxy S II General] VanillaCracker:
Haha from what I remember scrolling has always been terrible on ICS. It never seems to work. You try and swipe it, and it goes then juts to a stop. You try and scroll it slowly it freaks the fukk out. You try and do swipes, and it goes up partially instead of down. I tried early game CM9 (lots of problems obviously), late game (mostly fixed), and current and I've had at least some problems with scrolling on all of them. Try doing little swipes repeatedly on the facebook app with ICS. It's literally like a system malfunctioning. It freaks out. On JB I've had less difficulty. While it's still sticky-scrolling it at least cooperates with user interaction. Haha the fact that you said CM7 was even smooth on your Desire provesss GB's dominance ;) . But yeah I know, going back to GB made me realize how dated it really is. But it also made me happy soooo. Donno

Touché haha. I never trusted it to begin with, and still don't, however it does seem smoother than the other 5 I've flashed so meh, might as well believe in something :p . Na but I know CM hasn't fixed it so there's no way it could really be fixed. And I haven't really tried to judge JB yet :cool: just taken note of it. And I'll talk about something anyway, doesn't mean I'm making a definition for it, just evaluating. I'll mention when I'm defining it. Like the GB vs. ICS stuff here hah.

Look back a couple of pages, I gave a list of what I find to be very good GB roms
[Galaxy S II General] epic118:
I've moved back to CM7 from Stock Samsung for this one reason.

When I'm using an app on Stock Samsung ICS and it crashes, it hangs for three seconds then the whole screen blacks out. It takes almost half a minute to get out of one of these blackouts. The fact that ICS wasn't too stable didn't help - I ended up in this blackout way too often.

On CM7 I barely get FCs, and when I do, I don't have any of that blackout rubbish. I just get the good old 'Sorry!' dialog box and everything's all well and good.

Did anyone else get these blackouts?
[Galaxy S II General] neo335:
Sometimes restart the modem fix the wifi issue. I think its the problem with ics.

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I downgrade to GB for 1 month and I find lag in scrolling compare with ICS. Perfomance wise I get more battery usage out of ICS. So I am sticking with ICS.
[Galaxy S II General] VanillaCracker:
So I thought of a good metaphor last night. Gingerbread is like a 2000 BMW 3-Series. While Ice Cream Sandwich is like a 2010 Toyota Avalon. The BMW is a little smaller, and slower, but is also more agile because of it. The Avalon is bigger, and has more horse power, but takes a sluggish seat at manuevering. The BMW is a bit dated, but has true and very useful features that people appreciate. While the Avalon is newer, with the most recent add-ons. In the end the BMW may seem like the loser in this comparison, but it is very well known and dependable, and just because the Avalon is more powerful, does not mean it is faster.
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
That's a fantastic comparison.:thumbup:

However to me, GB is my 5 year old A4, while ICS is a 2012 Civic, full with flashy things, lol, but I am serious too ;)
[Galaxy S II General] DabuPL:
Honestly I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I don't see any issue with touch sensitivy on ICS and scrolling seems fine to me too. And yea, I tried CM7. For me it's just old, ugly and lacks features. Yet everybody is complaining. Am I the only one? :eek:
[Galaxy S II General] sahibunlimited:
With time they will/have to move on
[Galaxy S II General] sianzb0i:
I am a very battery life, features and wanting-my-phone-to-look-great kind of a guy. Therefore i started to look for a stable GB ROM when i first bought my s2 when it was launched. Then i started to root and do undervolting. Then i kept flashing kernels to try to achieve longer batt life.

ICS then came along look way much better. Had many things i like for example lock screen and the batt percentage all integrated into stock ROM. I only use sammy stock ROMs. Despite all these temptations i did not flash to ICS and kept it at GB as i was having a stable GB phone.

I read many posts saying ICS yielding better batt life and lower voltages used. I went over immediately (prolly 2 mths back). And since then i have been on ICS and GB as i needed a working phone. Many i heard from managed to get good batt life but i couldnt. I started to wonder is it my motherboard? My GPU? Or CPU? Or a batch problem. Im just so sick and tired flashing kernels and trying and i can get nowhere near GB performance.

I needed higher voltage. Even on stock voltage sometimes things dont go well too. Did a format on /system,data,sdcard. ICS is still slow on my phone and i am running totally stock now. Stock kernel amd voltages.

I really hope is not a hardware issue. If it is i hope it show signs so i can get a replacement. If not i hope sammy really comes out wif a better ROM for my region. Usually the ROMs for my region are not batt and performance friendly. Is always the XW or XX series that stands out. On GB i use the XX series and i tried XW ICS and they have some decent performance.
[Galaxy S II General] VanillaCracker:
Hah yeah that'd be more realistic, I just went for emphasis :p . Love me some audi's though too. Lol I love audi almost as much as I love my GB ;)

You're not the only one, I've seen some other people say the same, but it's clearly evident to me. I'm particular to detail, so I notice very quick when something is different. The scrolling is a lot differnet on ICS. It's not just related to the sensitivity though, they actually use sticky scrolling in ICS, while in GB they didn't use that, and it was instead a more fluid scroll. With sticky scrolling it seems to almost jump down a bit, instead of actually scrolling...it's weird, and although I see they meant for you to like go to the next section maybe...it's really not good for the majority of scrolling situations. Like facebook. I don't want to be jumping down my newsfeed. I want to scroll down it.

Here's a link someone posted, and I've seen it mentioned a few times on random rom threads ect. , so this isn't the only mention of it. http://forums.androidcentral.com/sp...ticky-page-scrolling-w-ics-manual-update.html

Regarding the touch sensitivity. This literally just happened to me, as I finished a text, and was goignto change my brightness via notification bar by dragging it down. I swiped at my notifiation bar 4 times before it actually came down........ and I wasn't missing either. it's just not sensitive. I thought maybe I hadn't been far enough up (usually I swipe right on the status bar) for it to notice I was trying to get the bar, but then on the 4th swipe I put pressure on it, and it finally decided to pull it down. I have to put force on the screen on order for it to do what I want the first time. Riciuloussssss.

Yes, I know this :crying: And it's a sad world for it haha. The only things that are not like that in the world are houses....and women...sometimes. Lol

EDIT: Another post regarding Sticky scrolling

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1402236&page=2

(I literally just went to google and grabbed the first two, there are tons of them)
[Galaxy S II General] DabuPL:
Well, yea. I do notice a difference in scrolling between ICS and GB. But it's just different for me, not worse. It feels more like iOS imo. On the other hand I can imagine that for someone who was used to GB scrolling it can be annoying...

But that sensitvity problem... hm... maybe it's hardware specific? I've used sgs2 for one month now and I really haven't encountered any problems like this.
[Galaxy S II General] VanillaCracker:
Yeah I'm sure google thought that same thing, that it is preference. And in theory it is, but I find it highly impractical in most uses of scrolling. People don't like change, and pretty much all scrolling mechanisms ever used in technology (computers, palm pilots, etc.) have all been regualr scrolling scroll. So I'm not surprised it seems so whack, and I included hate it. If it were super smooth and responsive it wouldn't be a problem. But it's janky, and freaks out half the time. If it actually went a SET amount for each jump every time you swiped down, it would probably be a lot better, but it's so unpredictable and inconsistent.

It's not hw related. I switch between GB and ICS at least once a month and the difference is clear as day. I also noticed the change right away once going to ICS for the very first time. i drew down the notification bar, and "tapped" gps off, about 3 times, before realizing that on ICS now you have to "press" things, and that tapping isn't enough. You probably haven't been on the phone long enough to recognize the distinction betwen GB and ICS. There are subtleties that make the phone seem like it's been freshened up, but it also brings it back a few generations to the original droid, where I have to press dead center, and with some pressure in order to make things actually apply. If everyone was moving from ICS to GB the experience would be a lottt different.
[Galaxy S II General] sianzb0i:
XXKH3 for me wif a modem from my region. Running NEAK last GB kernel
[Galaxy S II General] Prashanthme:
Reverted back to ICS from JB... The most important thing here is which ROM ur happy with... It might be ICS or JB or GB.. Comparing among all I like ICS the most because its features r good. JB just addon some tweaks in status bar and some change in effects.. GB was like ICS when u come from froyo. Now GB is becoming outdated,,, But my love for CM7 is not died yet :) Anyone here still using CM7??
[Galaxy S II General] VanillaCracker:
Nopeee, but I'd go back to Samsung TW GB. I'm thinking I'm just going to stick around with a TW ICS rom. TW did a banging job of making the sensitivity better than AOSP, although it's still nowhere near GB. But if I can bare it (I'll find out in a week or so), I'll probably have to stick with it. Even if the style is pretty weak.
[Galaxy S II General] beston94:
The best thing about gingerbread is that it's stable. I mean, it is rock stable. Everything is working, starting from battery life to hdmi output. I mean it doesn't get any better than that. The only reason why I'm on MIUI ICS, is the launchers. I don't know why, but the launchers are so great. I just wished someone could make a similar launcher to nova or apex but for gingerbread. With that in my pockets, I'd stay with gingerbread till Jelly bean comes out.
[Galaxy S II General] 007Arc:
Try Holo launcher.
[Galaxy S II General] Beefheart:
There is still a difference in touch response, neither ICS (stock or custom) or Jellybean as it currently stands can compete with Gingerbread in this respect. Especially on the dialler screen and with scrolling. I went back to my Checkrom V6 nandroid backup from March about a week ago after using numerous ICS and CM10 based roms and I can't see any reason to go back as things stand. I miss certain things obviously but the additional speed in touch response, overall better experience in the UI, additional battery life and reliable undervolting (my undervolt rates that work perfectly in GB always lead to hangs in ICS and JB regardless of what kernel I used) means I will probably stick with it until Jellybean is officially released, if that ever happens. To sum up Gingerbread is simply a lot more stable.

Besides, with Holo launcher I have the basic look of ICS anyway.

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As said above. Holo launcher is almost identical. It's not quite as polished as the two you mention but it works a treat and I haven't had a single FC in a week.
[Galaxy S II General] beston94:
I tried that several times but the most important thing in the ICS launcher is the smoothness of the app drawer. The holo launcher's app drawer is the laagiest app drawer I have ever encountered... This may seem picky but when it comes to my phone, I want perfection :D
[Galaxy S II General] Beefheart:
Strange, I have no lag at all on my app draw. Have you tried the latest version? I'm on 1.2.0.
[Galaxy S II General] MrMarques01:
Hm, that almost sounds like a low screen sensitivity together with a high Vitalji value to me. I think that's a fixable problem. May I ask what exact ICS Rom you are using?
[Galaxy S II General] XresaX:
I really prefer ICS to GB.

I don´t know which is faster but I love ICS theme
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
Another thing which is bogus in ICS is the non-compact, non-categorised entries of call history. It was so good in GB, never had to scroll down to find whether I've had a call/SMS from a certain number, and I don't like all those third party dialers like exDialer or other. Right now, I'm on ICS for one reason only, Apex Launcher, it's pretty lite and cool. I used to use Go in GB, but I won't use it anymore.

Swyping from my i9100 via Tt
[Galaxy S II General] slimlo:
I upgraded from GB to ICS using ex launcher in GB has made much faster then ICS had little issues with GB compared to ICS and job custom ROMs all still lack the stableness of gb.. if you could change latest kernel for GB and add it .would be one hell of ride ... battery life such is for both ICS and jb ..GB still best so far I have experienced to have best battery life..
[Galaxy S II General] azeller09:
I don't really like being on ICS, but I just am...

I tried out RR 3.0.1 JB, and WOW! It's so smooth, I went back to SensationROM 3.5, and gonna stay here until RR JB isn't PRE-Alpha anymore :D

Edit: GB Was faster than ICS.
[Galaxy S II General] VanillaCracker:
Thanks for summing that up better than I did haha. It really is just a overall worse experience in UI when using ICS. It's so sad, because it's the upgraded software. Touch response is so bad............I have no idea how people do not realize it, it's god awful. Can't write more than a sentence in a text without a typo because the sensitivity is not good enough, and that's after forcing myself to press harder, ect. And that's not even the most apparent example to give.

Yeah I feel the same way, and I thought I'd finally found it! (Ady's MIUI [for me personally met my needs perfectly] - favorite theme ever, speedy, stable) But then ICS came out and GB started to become dated with old gallery apps, lack of features, etc. Now I'm just sitting here, trying out all the new ICS roms that come out, and being disappointed as ****. Annoys me.

Roms I've tried in the last 2-3 months: Official AOKP, Rootbox, Ressurection (little better than rest of AOKP), Hydra H2O (also a little better), cMIUI, Kaffee's MIUI, and Kaffee's CM9/MIUI blend, Lightning Rom, Portal Rom, ICS DXLPB/XWLPF/XWLPT S3mods Rom, Foxhound Revolver Ocelot. Various JB roms.

I'm gonna look up waht Vitalji value is when I get home or get a chance.

There are various GB roms that started incorporating ICS themes into them already around February-March when ICS started coming out. FOIL rom is a perfect example of this. It's GB, but looks just like ICS TW with AOKP themeing. And it's not ICS so it's really quick.

I totally agree with this, if we could swap out a GB kernel for ICS I'd be a VERY happy man. Wish I was the ultimate dev or something, so that I could attempt to make such a thing happen :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S II General] Tefanym:
if only there can be a dual boot for 2 differnet android version roms , one GB and ICS,

that would be awesome
[Galaxy S II General] VanillaCracker:
So, been running TW ICS roms for a little bit (week or so), and must say that it's much much better than AOSP ones in terms of Touch sensitivity. It's still not as responsive as GB, but it's mabe 60-70% of the way there, whereas I consider AOSP to be like 30-40%. Also, I kinda figured out why a lot of people like TW so much. These roms are rock solid stability. I've yet to experience a single force close on any TW roms (I remember, GB ones included) - except for MIUI V4 (samsung based). On AOSP there are force closes all over the place, all the time haha. Even the stable ones have a FC here and there. If I can get over the crappy theming (even the themed ones are...meh - some are alright if you like blue, which I don't), and find one that I truly like enough, then I may be staying on TW for a while.

Can anyone else comment on difference between TW ICS and AOSP ICS.

I remember TW GB was really smooth, but so was MIUI...it seems in ICS that that there is a much bigger gap between smoothness of TW vs. AOSP, and especially touch sensitivity.
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
Yea, maybe JC knows why people or .... use AOSP !! :o
[Galaxy S II General] VanillaCracker:
Lol wat?

P.S. this thread needs another 5 star rating. The 3 stars is really making me look bad hahah
[Galaxy S II General] roughavoc:
The only reason why I wont go back to GB is because I am a MIUI user only and the CM9 volume bug on GB MIUI is so bloody annoying..
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
Damn I am not Christian but JC is Jesus Christ dude!
[Galaxy S II General] VanillaCracker:
What volume bug are you talking about? If you mean holding volume skips song instead of increasing volume (while playing music) then it's not a bug, it's just how they made the rom. There are mod's for the alternative. Also, GB MIUI was made from CM7 not CM9??

Ohhh lol. Who the hell abbreviates Jesus Christ? I've never seen that. Now if you had said JB (Justin Beiber) I might have known what you were talking about. Yeah, I mean TW definitely has its limitations, but over the months as I've been a flashaholic I've realized how much AOSP annoys the crap out of me compared to having a good stable rom that I don't hate the touch sensitivity of, and asthetically, looks alright. Wish GB wasn't outdated, I miss it dearly. MIUI gb for the win
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
Nice.

Well I just hope, a faint hope and fainter believe that the other kids will join that path too. Highly unlikely, as I said. :laugh:
[Galaxy S II General] norpan111:
Just went back to checkrom on my s2 coming from s3...holy smokes its responsive:)

Edit: crap.. Accidentally flashed v5..is v6 much better? xD
[Galaxy S II General] samokko:
you guys should test insanity jelly bean rom.. 100% stable and fast as hell. Me likes it alot! <3
[Galaxy S II General] randomseasons:
I tried countless ICS and JBs but went back to GB. Smooth and it serves all my demands. Plus the battery is incredible. I wont change till JB is officially out.
[Galaxy S II General] roophz:
Same here . Went back to GB , hyperdroid v6.1.17 specifically. Smoothest ROM thus far

Sent from the dark pits of Moria
[Galaxy S II General] norpan111:
100% stable my ass, stop the lies.

Everyone knows CM10 sure isn't 100% stable

Skickat från min GT-I9100 via Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy S II General] victorator:
XWLA4 + Phenomenal 4.0 Medium + KI4 MODEM = Best combo for the S2
[Galaxy S II General] gloup81:
just asking...has any of you tried out the stock ICS for s2? cause i've seen most of you complaining about smoothness on various mods...i'm running on stock ICS (i just got my s2 2 weeks ago and i just want to enjoy my new phone before entering the flashing quest) and imo it's the smoothest thing i've ever used.

You all mention touch responsiveness...wtf people? what are you flashing in your devices? My apps are opening just by looking at them! ok, a bit of exageration, but really, even the minor contact with my finger is responsive.

I know, i know, you all want to f@ck around with tweaking and modding...but please, do these things only when your device needs to!

Now waiting for official JB...if it sucks like in Nexus S (tons, i really mean MEGATONS of bugs), then i'll consider flashing a ROM that will degrade my phones' capabilities
[Galaxy S II General] gokul1980:
Its good to get such huge positive responses for GB. I myself was thinking since a long time to shift back to GB 2.3.6 XWKL1 (Indian Version) since i am fed up with the bad experience that i am having with ICS 4.0.3.

After reading all these posts i think i am pretty sure now that i would shift back to stock GB 2.3.6 and wait for the official JB to release. So, could anyone please tell me the best and the safest way to get back to stock GB. I would also like to root after i get back on GB and do not want to have the yellow triangle issue.

All help is appreciated.
[Galaxy S II General] dzel:
use odin to flash back KL1 GB rom & root?
[Galaxy S II General] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
what i noticed is Siyah fixed a lot of scrolling issues for me earlier. the touch sensitivity used to be horrible. I'm not sure if the standard CM9 kernel has been upgraded to fix these things, but I can't imagine releasing a ROM when touch sensitivity blows...
[Galaxy S II General] RusherDude:
I am staying on GB for a whie.. no need to move back :D