yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] abouttocrash:
It's only locked so that Verizon has control over how well your phone performs. My fascinate running at amazing speeds (except with the dumb facebook app) using glitch and cm9. Verizon wants you to upgrade. They want you to forgo your unlimited data for a shiny, slim and locked down S3. Bull.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] CaptnKeegs:
Just submitted my FCC complaint as well. Easy as cake.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] aaCharley:
I filed an FCC complaint today. I noted that Verizon was the only carrier to sell the disabled and crippled model of the phone. Then further noted that it seemed to viiolate the agreement under which Verizon bought additional bandwidth. My suggestion was that the FCC order Verizon to replace all of the disabled phones and to also give a $100 billing credit to the affected purchasers.

Put enough FCC heat on this company and it will be forced to melt. They don't want the complaint file to become so large that it will prevent them from getting other things done at the FCC.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] xyrcncp:
Complaints like yours are the ones not taken seriously and seen as childish. Does profanity in a complaint letter get you anywhere? No. Usually you're just seen as some nut who rambled off in a letter and you get a form letter in response just to brush you off.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
At least he/she tried....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] noingwhat:
The biggest reason for verizon's locked boot loader isn't even to prevent having to worry about warranties (although that is a part of it) the biggest reason is because it prevents you from putting on the latest version of android. Think about it, if you go into the store right now and ask them which phone to get, they will recommend one of the phones with ICS. Why? Because that is the latest version they have available and only the newest and most expensive phones have it.

They are aware of how long it takes to get an update out. Think about it, if you are able to easily upgrade to ICS or JB, would people really have gone in to upgrade their phone? The hardware is all good enough to hold up to just about anything now, but still ICS is a major selling point for them. With the unlocked bootloaders, why would people come buy a new phone and be forced to renew their contract?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
This. 100% this!

I'm so glad someone else gets it.

Sounds like a conspiracy, but, it aligns itself perfectly with VZW's type of shady business practices.

Question is, how do we go about proving it? Who do we even take this to? Is this an FCC issue? FTC?

I personally wouldn't have upgraded from my X2 if I would have been able to put ICS on it. They do in fact market phones with what OS it runs, rather than what bull**** jibberish processor it has in it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Karl:
i think they locked it to try to control tethering why else is the s3 the only phone you can upgrade to and keep unlimited data

cuz they know if you had unlocked boot you could most certainly get root and thus install tethering apps they were blocking on the market
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Imatoasta:
Somebody must have taken it a little seriously because they called us to let us know that they are forwarding the issue. Like I said I have no respect for the FCC and I file complaints without holding my breathe because I know they won't do ****. They won't do **** about this like they didn't **** about telcos ****ting on net neutrality. Using "proper" language won't get you any further.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] noingwhat:
If that were the case, then they are in violation of the Block-C agreement. That is the exact same reason they were forced to stop telling google to take down the tethering apps. If locking the bootloaders is to prevent tethering, then it prevents open access to the 4G LTE 700 MHz bandwidth.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] meishkov:
These *******s need to burn for this ...glad I found this thread, I'm gonna wait til I get to work to file my complaint. I want an unlocked version and $500 for damages please :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
We only have 1000 character limit though on our complaint.

Maybe we should draft an email to someone higher up the food chain.. management.. let's get their attention with a brief, to the point email stating only the facts and our belief for the reasoning behind it. Let Verizon respond to that. Let's show its a conspiracy to sell more phones. Let's show its fraud. Let's force vzw to stare down the barrel of an antitrust congressional hearing like Microsoft had to when they bundled, and would not allow the removal of, internet explorer.

Its the same game, just new players and different names.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] piiman:
Except is doesn't make any since.

Thinks about it. The average Joe phone buyer doesn't know jack about what ICS or Jellybean would do for the phone, or even care. Is it a selling point for a salesman to point out that the latest shiny phone as the latest Android OS on it? sure but the average user doesn't really care as long as the price is right and it looks cool and does cool things they don't care.

There are millions of people that will buy the .01 phone with and old Android OS on it because the OS version doesn't matter to them. It doesn't matter to them any more than having win 8 on their PC when they can surf the internet just fine with Win98..as long as it works they are fine with it as is.

And for those that do know and care (us) they/we can modify it anyways almost 100% of the time so once again it doesn't matter.

I'm sure some corp big wig thinks that they are making people upgrade but I doubt it has that much of an influence on the average buyer. It would only matter to those that are in the know and those same people can easily find out how to hack just about any phone VZW has.

It's a waste of their time and probably has little effect on upgrades. Now if they can ever lock them down completely it may help them to some degree but until then they are wasting their time.

Apple upgrades all there phones OS's when they have a new version and they still sale tons of new phones every time they release a new one.

Its not the OS that sells the phone to most buyers it the "shiny/cool" factor and a good ad campaign that makes you think its cool that does.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TechSavvy2:
This. People don't go in and upgrade just to have ICS, that comment just made me laugh. We might, as a dev community, but have you been in the store when Joe Schmoe is buying his phone? What the phone looks like, feels like in his hand, and android skin it comes with is all he looks at. Or even better, been there when the apple fanboys (or girls) buy their iPhones. The girl literally said she didn't need to see it or hold it or use it, she was just gonna buy it cuz its an iPhone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] meishkov:
The smoking gun is right here. How do they get away with selling a device that's unlocked on every other carrier on the planet except theirs then determine it's hugely popular in its unlocked state to then decide to charge $600, 3x the amount of the locked device they're currently selling and the ONLY difference between the two is just the bootloader...no different hardware or anything, exact same devices. Sounds blatantly illegal to me.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] morrowa2:
Well it's good to see more and more people jumping in on this. I'm surprised more people haven't made a complaint already. I still have not recieved a copy of Verizon's official reply to my complaint, just the phone call I mentioned in the OP. When I get a reply, I'll post it here. My assumption is that when a complaint is filed with the FCC, it gets forwarded to the company, which is then required to respond to the allegations. Again, that is a speculation, and not based on anything, other than the fact that my complaint actually recieved a phone response from VZW executive offices. Whatever the real reason is that the old cronies at VZW purposely gimp our devices, I think the more complaints they get the more likely the FCC will get on their case, like they did on the WiFi tethering. So I encourage everyone that hasn't done so to go to www.fcc.gov, and file a complaint. It's very quick, and painless. Examples of wording to use can be found in posts 9, 10, and 18, and others... just scan the thread.

After doing that, check out this thread too. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1815496

Whatever the method, the most important thing is that you make your voice heard. Let's not be the victim of our own complacency.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Kellic:
No. Don't muddy the waters here. Keep the complaint clean. And if you get an unlocked bootloader Wallet support becomes a moot point.

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I keep seeing this excuse and I don't buy it. There are statistics neither for or against "average person not caring". Until I see surveys stating that 80% of users don't give a crap about rooting or ROMing their phone I'm going to treat the above with a grain of salt.

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Nope. Sorry. I've been in multiple Verizon stores looking at phones and not once did they extol the virtues of ICS. It was it run android that's all.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] harleyf150drvr:
But if it was used on another carriers network could he recieve the proper updates to keep the phone compatible on that network.:confused:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tonu42:
I really have no clue why these threads continue to go on. Post after post is saying the same thing. Instead of wasting hundred of hours between everyone here posting and complainig you can be using a kexec method to install ROMS. Its not a real big deal guys. You guys are making it way worse by continuing on for so long.

Just wait for AdamOutler to work his magic and unlock this bad boy. Until than seriously guys, spamming the FCC and Verizon does NOTHING.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ddggttff3:
those who make noise go noticed. Those who sit back, are ignored.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Tiburon02:
I filed a complaint, lets hope we can gain some traction.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] morrowa2:
Would you rather people post their complaints in the R&D thread? People need an outlet for their frustration, what better way than to complain to an agency that has some authority to do something about it?

My original post was a simple question if anyone had a similar experience as me. I don't care if it has derailed to the point that it has. I think it's great that many people are being made aware that they don't have to keep quiet. Will a myriad of FCC complaints accomplish anything? God only knows. At least it keeps the dev threads clean.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
Whatever Verizon's reasons for encrypting the boot loader, we can be sure of one thing. Their official statement is bull****.

We can squabble amongst ourselves about the who's and the why's but the reality is it doesn't matter.

We simply need to find a way to stop it and prevent it from happening again. Whether its via the FCC, FTC, or whoever else. Class action lawsuit, I don't care.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] noingwhat:
To anyone who thinks these kinds of threads are pointless banter, there is always that chance that something will be done. We had enough people complain about verizon double charging for the tethering, and their censoring of the apps on the play store, and we eventually won that battle. Heck, they are even giving away free tethering now in their new "Share Everything" plans. An even to the people who don't actually file a complaint (although that is a HUGE help) even just posting ideas as what exactly what verizon is doing wrong may help use to build a better case. The statements about not being able to move to another carrier, rumors of some phone companies cutting network speeds by half on stock ROMS, the fact that verizon is trying to force these kind of things on us and then come back with nothing more than "it's for security, stability, and customer support" will help us to figure out how to word our complaints do get the FCC, BBB or whoever to actually do something and make a change.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] trafalger888:
You can accept the world that you live in or you can try to effect change whatever your stance is fine...but don't armchair quarterback the people that do try to effect change
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Bleelas:
Wow, hadn't checked this is a while. It's good to see so many replies now. And a big thanks to everyone who is contacting the FCC. As I said before, who knows if it will make a difference but we have a legitimate case so why not try? It barely takes any time at all.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
Just got off the phone with vzw tech support for a trouble ticket I had in. Anyways, they've extended my return period for a different device. I'm going to wait to see what the engineers say before I decide whether or not to make the swap however, he did say "if you decide to swap out for a different phone, may I suggest the moto RAZR, as it now comes with ice cream sandwich!"

Funny... some say they don't market the os. Then they market the os to me. I mean, it doesn't really matter, just saying....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
Just got a call from VZW regarding my FCC complaint- Mary said I "should" receive a response within 14 days.

I think I just got blown off. :rolleyes:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] morrowa2:
I'm still waiting for my official response.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] morrowa2:
This is interesting, Found just a few threads down. Looks like this formal complaint was filed long before the GSIII, but the premise is still the same. Perhaps if others wish to file a complaint with the FCC, this document would be good to include.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/109uYmho_6daIpAl0ACPSFoK0qrd6K9wp5yeqM7dEaoI/edit?pli=1
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] OmidoStyle:
Well just wanted to add, I just submitted an FCC complaint as well. Looking at this from a neutral stand point, we were misled. If I would have known before pre-ordering that the bootloader would have been locked, I would have rethought my decision to get this phone. The only way for them to make this right, is to drop the lies, and unlock the bootloader, as the phone was intended to be.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Rolo42:
It is a big deal. This segments VZW SIIIs from the rest of the world's SIIIs and stifles development.

I'm also still within my 14-day return window and may decide to exercise it.

Plus, I don't like having my intelligence insulted with VZW's schpiel on why they did it.

Idealism here: Maybe, just maybe it's one step closer to the FCC declaring enough with this CDMA crap aleady so we can join the rest of the world.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
Thanks for taking the time to complain. The more complaints the better. Tell your friends.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Div033:
I just submitted a complaint as well. Here's to consumer freedom!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Fred1029:
I just got done sending in the fcc a fax stating that I want the bootloader removed

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How long does it really take to send a fax send a fax if you can everyone counts
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] billard412:
The phone will be 10x more useless with the bootloader removed lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] teamhurtado:
Looks like I just received a standard email from VZW stating a letter is in the mail and to expect within 14 business days. Hooray for standard form letters!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] piiman:
I don't think anyone said that. What was said is that the average Joe phone buyer will just think "What do I want ice cream on my phone for?" and that it doesn't matter what version of the OS is on the phone to most.

When I was there the one sale person I heard pitch an Android phone was using the in car navigation capabilities.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Aquila76:
Maybe I should resubmit a complaint on paper. I filed one thru FCC's complaint page (Form 2000B Online) back on 7/11 and never got any reply. This is what I sent as the issue:

The bootloader on my Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III (SCH-I535) was sold to me locked and still is, even though it uses Block C frequencies. This was never revealed to me when I pre-ordered the phone on June 10, 2011. All other carrier's versions of this phone (Sprint, AT&T, etc.) are not bootlocked. Besides being unfair and deceptive, this is against regulation under 47 CFR Ch. I § 27.16 (b) as it is "limiting or restricting the ability of their customers to use the devices and applications of their choice on the licensee’s C Block network." Verizon has no valid claim to the (b)(1) exception of "management or protection of the licensee’s network" as they allow other unlocked phones and specifically the Developer's Version of the Samsung Galaxy S III with an unlocked bootloader to access their network. Please force them to unlock the bootloader on all phones that access the Block C frequencies including the Samsung Galaxy S III.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
Do both! :good:

Awesome letter btw!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] 4ktvs:
I likely do this when/if I get the phone.

I wish razr users cared more about there phone's, so that crap can get fixed/ NEVER brake in the first place.

Good luck and I may join in soon. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] morrowa2:
Do it now! I did my complaint long before I ever got the phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] cafray:
Nice find!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] cyrus41592:
Glad to see some action is being taken, filed my complaint. Lets just hope that the FCC and this particular regulation are strong enough to reverse this ridiculous policy verizon has. Thanks for the news
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] noingwhat:
Just curious, do you have to be 18 to formally submit a complaint? If not, what's the age restriction (if any)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
Haven't seen

any

age requirement. It doesn't even ask for your age. Have a blast! :good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] speedylad:
Just got a call back from Verizon's Executive offices saying they received my FCC Complaint and will be forwarding their response to the FCC and copying me. I'll update this thread with whatever that includes.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] somerandomguy1:
Thanks for the information!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Zalithian:
Still waiting for my response that my complaint was received. Should be any day now..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] morrowa2:
It's been about two weeks since I got the call. Hopefully I'll get the official response to the FCC within the next day or two.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] morrowa2:
A huge thanks to the awesome developers and leaker that ma aged to get our boot loader unlocked. What a major punch in the face to big red!

But... the journey doesn't end here...

I'd love to see the complaints to the FCC continue in full force. We need to keep the heat on Verizon. If nothing changes, we are going to go through this drama with every new device that comes out. For the sake of development of future devices, please please please keep complaining!

And enjoy your unlocked GS3's!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] xsteven77x:
I still think we should take them to court over this.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] TheDiabolicaL1:
Oh?

Sent from my unlocked Galaxy S3! We win, Verizon!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Aquila76:
I agree. They didn't remove the infringing bootloader. The devs did. For the 99% of users, their phone is still bootlocked. This is tantamount to robbing a neighborhood and only 2 people got their stuff back. The criminals are still accountable for all the damages and the theft crime, regardless if there is a 'good Samaritan' who can get their stuff back.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] joshbates15:
Official Response from Verizon Wireless Legal Team

Here is the official response I finally got from Verizon Wireless' Legal Team concerning the locked bootloader.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] piiman:
Now respond and ask them why they have devices that can be unlocked on their network and that it proves their excuse is total BS.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] noingwhat:
Dang, that was actually a pretty good response, and honestly, that first part is actually kinda true. Sucks. But the second paragraph is still total bull. I guess we can still file complaints, but I guess it doesn't violate block C, so we've lost that argument.
[Galaxy S II General] jbenci:
Hello. How you doing?

I dont want complexity or any bloat.

What JB ROM for the i9100 offers the purest, most vanilla JB experience that can be used as a daily driver?

There are so many ROMS available I dont know where to start.
[Galaxy S II General] hoseth0711:
This thread is against forum rules. Thread reported

Sendt fra min GT-I9100 med Tapatalk2
[Galaxy S II General] fr3quency:
At least answer his question man. We're a community and should help each other, even if the other one is a noob.

Here mate. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1794758

Have fun flashing! And do not flash a custom kernel or some crappy mod. Just keep it vanilla.
[Galaxy S II General] prbassplayer:
So First off you need to read this and this. No one can ever ask that question and its just lazy of you to ask. Read try and make the decision yourself
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] <JohnCarter>:
THIS A GENERAL GUIDE FOR NOOBS(WHO ARE NEW TO ROMS)

OK first you need your device to have unlocked boot loader, and have a recovery installed.And always do a bit of research.

hint: google- unlock bootloader .......

- root and add recovery in ....... {replace ..... with the name of your device}

[this guide assumes that you have above prerequisites]

1) download your rom[be sure that the rom you download is for your device]

2) put it in the root of your sd card (not in any folder)

3) boot into recovery(CWM,etc.)

4) first create a backup of your existing ROM by going in -backup and restore>backup

5) select wipe data/reset > yes

6) select install zip from sd card >yes

7)reboot

ENJOY !
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] <JohnCarter>:
just be sure

just be sure that the rom you downloaded is for your device
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kayak#12:
For wipin i prefer use superwipe.zip of akya22

Inviato da HTC EXPLORER
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] avr-Illithian:
You'll want to add 'clear cache and dalvik' after flashing. Tends to make flashing ROMs more regularly successful.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] iok1:
Factory reset formats /cache, /data, and /sdcard/.android_secure.

Clearing cache would be a waste of time since it's already formatted and dalvik cache is in /data so no need to wipe that either.

Sent from my jelly bean
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] <JohnCarter>:
its not necessary

wipe data already does it :cool:

but anyway thanks :good:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] archervinay:
Help

I am newbie and rooted my samsung galaxy GT-I5801. I want to flash CM 7. Dont know how to enter recovery mode. HOME key+Volume up key +power button will show Forced upload by key pressing instead of recovery mode. Please help how to flash cm 7
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] <JohnCarter>:
try this

you don't have to press vol up key .

you need to press the Volume Down button + the Home key button (the middle button), while holding these both buttons, you need to switch ON your device by Pressing he Power ON button.

and the rest is the same procedure

hope it helps !
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] satish ravi:
boot logo in my xperia s

buddy i gotta prob in my xperia s. can yu help me with that
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] <JohnCarter>:
what prob

can you be more specific -- i mean what's the prob ?