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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] chickentuna:
I certainly agree on you with this one. But like in every other forum and the whole internet, you can't really prevent noobs and trolls. Trolls gotta troll man. Kinda hard to filter them out as it will require the mods to check every single day on every single thread with thousands of post on it and obviously that will take full time. Most of us specially moderators do this for a hobby.

Let's just do our part to make the community a better place. That is reporting trolls. Like the other guy said on the 2nd post, let's just click on that little report button and the mods will take care of the rest or you can just ignore the regular forum troll and move on like most of us do. An old internet saying "Don't feed the trolls" :D ignore them and the average forum troll will just hunt for the next trollable thread and will eventually get tired, while the persistent ones, well let's just keep on clicking the report button and wait for the banhammer to land

The post requirement or the tenureship in the forum is a fantastic idea though. Maybe even the thanks meter/level, like you could post even if you're not 3 months old or don't have 350 posts but if you do have a certain thanks level/meter you could post and access the restricted area of the forums. No one would press the thanks button if you didn't post something useful right?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] praetorius:
put categories as "devs" and restrict allowed posts to those people only. then cross referrence the thread to a discussion page for noobs and others to bash each other.

those who wish to post in the dev section should provide a fully working firmware for downloads and testing purposes for the ones designated as "testers" on xda.

i know its a lot of work, but its a solution if the admin will put the political will to it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] becosemsaida:
Although you have a point here i really don't like the idea. Ok we need to restrict the troll posts but..... once you were a noob too !!!! What we see now is that this site has grown to numbers never seen before. In the early days there were only a handfull users, a few devices and not much to do. Nowadays if you have a problem EVERYBODY refers to this forum from other places. So basicly we have a flood of new, unexperienced, people that just have one big problem: THEY DON'T READ!!!! I've been a member for a long time now, learned a lot just by reading and only post when i think it's usefull to the comunity. Even after all this time i still sometimes ask questions like a noob, should i be blocked???

There is one solution for this problem: NOT allowing to post untill they have at least read a few posts MARKED as an obligation. But i don't think it's possible.

What we see here is the growing of a forum with soo many devices and people, i think about a year or two this will stabelize :laugh::laugh::laugh:

becosemsaida
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] little-vince:
Sometimes the trolls you are referring to are actually innocent noobs who are afraid of bricking their new Notes. They just want to double check some crucial things before attempting risky procedures.

Were we not all noobs at one point in our lives?

I know both trolls and noobs can be really frustrating but many of the members here can be quite impatient, responding rudely and degrading the once-friendly community.

I do agree with you though and I definitely think changes need to be made to ensure the development thread remains strictly development related. But I also think changes should be made to some members attitude too.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] becosemsaida:
I abandoned a forum in my country due to "laws /rules" like that. Things were just getting out of proportion that it is impossible to help people there. Unfortunatly the mods over there think that they are god and if you make a reference about this forum or about rooting you will get banned !!!! I don't think that it's the future of this forum..

Restrict some topics to people that have more then xx months or xx posts will help. But i don't think it's possible to do. And what a bout people like me, i only read here, learn and do not post often. I don't have time to make a rom or custom firmware and come here for leasure ??? Am i elegible for seeing everything...... As you see it is very hard to make the choise about who can have full accesws and who doesn't.

becosemsaida
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
Write on development section thread should have some restriction.

And thank meter is one good criteria (just being member since long/posting just certain number of post dont make skilled)

if member have at least 10-20 thank meter he/she must have some skill and may not post noob Q.

There is always Q/A section is open for newbies.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] mrtim123:
this needs to be said.....

i have to call you out on this. The OP has been posting bizarre and rambling questions in DEV threads, getting all pissed off when ppl ask him not too, and has even admitted to not wanting to bother reading the thread because he is not that stupid.

It is people LIKE YOU that are bringing this place down.

If you cant be bothered searching or reading, you DO NOT BELONG on a development website. end of story.

If you want to make your phone look pretty to impress your mates, go some place else. XDA is all about the journey - the end result is not so important. its about trying things yourself and sharing knowledge. If you are just lucky enough, you might even be able to help someone out!

do not come here to whinge and flame others when you break the rules (do NOT post in a dev thread if it is not directly related to the development of that thread).

Also, you have to wonder how a user of 4 months has over 1000 posts, and some members have been here for years with only 500 posts.....

/rant
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] PoisonWolf:
So? When I was uncertain about something I posted it in either the general or Q/A section. Why the hell should anyone be posting questions in the dev section?

And no, despite contrary belief, some people are newbies, some people are noobs. Not everyone used to be a noob. There is a massive void between the two. A newbie is one that is self-learning and is capable of exercising some semblance of common sense with regards to forum rules and forum etiquette when he joins a new forum.

So please, if you want to consider yourself a noob at one point, go right ahead. But do not make sweeping statements that everyone was a noob.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] karapoutsoglou:
trolls and noobs should rot in hell :P

as for noobs,reading and jesus saves....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] little-vince:
And I completely agree with you. So why are you being all pissy about it?

Well clearly my definition of a noob/n00b/newb/newbie is different to yours. So I apologise if my "sweeping statement" offended you (and/or anyone else).

Are we not fighting for the same thing here?

Gee fricken wizz.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] imilka:
I think XDA should do nothing here.

There are no real reasons to rage at some users posts.

There's nothing SO bad about it.

You can always press 'report' button if some super-mega-trolls come to your thread (I haven't seen any yet)

As for me, XDA community is currently not so friendly as it should be.

Devs raging at most of the posts, advanced users trolling noobs...

That's really not so nice.

Blocking users with small post count or small thanks count, etc is unacceptable in my opinion. Really.

Maybe XDA is meant for developers, but developers can't exist without users they are developing for.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
Here is Example, why we should need some control

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=29501802&postcount=91

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=29532224&postcount=100
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] becosemsaida:
That's not a noob issue.............This is just a person that is STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!

I already called his atention but that is going to be a full days work with all these............ (glup)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Mazzstrikers:
This I agree, sometimes it's not that they're noob, it's that they're kiasu, as we Singaporeans call it. They spam devs with stupid questions, since it's free to ask anyway, and expect people to be free 24/7 to reply.

Also, many devs hate XDA. Because much dev work is not being appreciated here. In the Acer Iconia A500 section, both devs "Thor2002pro" and "dexter_nlb" have made amazing contributions to the community, but many *******s don't appreciate what they have done. They have left subsequently.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] E90 Commie:
To me, the general problem is the "non reading generation" issue and it has to be solved. I would say that 99% of the questions I have about things here at XDA has been answered by the search engine, i.e. I have been able to find out on my own by using it.

Since it is a problem that people don't read the first posts, for example "Bluetooth is not working" - with the result that they post "why is BT broken?" over and over - countermeasures has to be taken.

The solution is, like others proposed, is to restrict the Development forum to developers and to some extent "power users". I.e. in order to start a thread and post - you need to be either developer or power user/tester (a status that the developer can grant to testers of a ROM or kernel for example).

Beside that, you put a user forum up where ordinary users can discuss the product.

The rest of the filtering is done with the report button.

This way, the development threads will be clean and the noob questions are filtered out.

I would also say that people that repeatedly fails to do basic searching and instead ask questions that are answered in the ROM/kernel description should not only be reported but even get "posting vacation" - for example one week automatically after a specific amount of reports.

A typical rule should be that questions that are answered in the first post shouldn't be asked in the thread. Failure to comply mean consequences.

It could also be a good idea to let developers be their own moderators in their own threads, that way they can ban people on their own discretion if needed. That way, an annoyance can be removed immediately.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SquirtingCherry:
Dont know if its possible but maybe an idea, make a button next to the thanks button to actually "dislike" a post. For example if 10 ppl dislike the post than further posting in that specific topic gets blocked. no more silly questions or unwanted posts from that person. Give rights to the topic holder to unblock if he really wants to.

Think the "non reading kids" will get quiet soon.

just a thought.....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Cinthiar:
Or just like youtube where enough dislikes just hide the post. This is in use on some of the bigger forums I sometimes roam. Could work here also.

Edit: this would also lighten the work of mods a little.

Sent from my GT-N7000
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rulinglionadi:
maxicet too...the developer of The Mid Team...He`s not posting anymore coz some guys pissed him off...

I really liked his ROMS.. :mad:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] M3TALLICA:
Agree with this. When SuperBrick was new I created new thread trying to help others but I was told to change the thread title (but it was right) and some recognized people and few former developers (unrecognized) cornered me.

And these people live in groups.

A trolls X then his chumps P, Q, R, S come up and thank him.

No personal offense meant just my two cents.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rulinglionadi:
NO NO NO....i used to have a forum before for a game called MISCRITS (fb stuff) ...and the Dislike button was like the worst introduction ever..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] altae:
I think people are clearly overreacting about noobs and trolls. It's a fact that we all were noobs once and everybody ho claims he has never posted one single question thad had been asked elsewhere before almost certainly lies (there might be exceptions). Just give them a link where they can read or simply ignore them. And if they post over and over again you can report them if you really think it's necessary. And the same can be done about trolls. Honestly, if the xda would have been that unfriendly to noobs like it is nowadays I'm not sure if I had ever joined it. Because noobs might be annoying, they might post nonsense, they might don't use the search button... but hey they are humans too and deserve respect. The vast majority of them do not deliberately annoy devs/ experienced users. So show a little mercy will you? How can one demand respect if he/ she does not show it himself/ herself?

A few words to franco. While I understand his reasons I think he acted somewhat immature. It's simply strange to punish the whole note community just because of a few noobs/ trolls. And by the way, I posted errors with logcat like he want's it but I never got a reply. Not that's compulsory for him to respond or develop anything, just a remark. It's nice that he is back, I appreciate his hard work like I do with all devs but I am certainly not going to try his kernel again because I don't feel like participating in a community where a few idiots can cause certain people to abandon all others. That's not how a community works. And in the end its as much his decision to stop development for the note as it's my decision not to support that kind of behaviour. But hey franco, thank you for supporting the note again. I wish you enough strengh to ignore all those stupid comments, trolls and all other little annoyances.

Sent from my Galaxy Note running ICS
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] itismadhan:
Wasn't it Franco's kernel that bricked a bunch of phones? I might be wrong.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] chasmodo:
You are wrong. It was Angelom.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] glevitan:
I guess that is inevitable to come across idiots in the forums and life in general. Unfortunately, we all pay the consequences when a DEV leaves XDA, but there´s no way to avoid that. Not all newbies are trolls and so, you might be censoring someone with common sense and willing to learn, many others you find people that has over 1.000 posts and when u search you find that he has been trolling around and still answers BS.

I guess the best way is the contribution of all members by reporting and helping the mods to enforce the rules. I think that MODs should also be bit more strict in some cases (has not happened here but in the DHD / Inspire 4G forum) and the outcome was DEV attn1 leaving XDA.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] numbnutsuk:
I'm sick of useless threads exactly like this and members like this writing such crap. As for Francisco kernel I think he should come back and finish his kernels so they work properly.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] freedomispopular:
I don't like the idea of blocking access to dev threads based on posts, thanks, etc. As a slightly more advanced than average user, I like to read through the dev threads just to see the more technical stuff that's going on. Unless only posting is blocked except to "certified" devs, which could work.

Also, keep in mind not everyone has the time to sit down and read through hundreds of posts. I have lots of free time, so I often sit down and read through several threads here on Tapatalk several times a day, but not everyone has that kind of free time. Perhaps they shouldn't be messing with stuff if that's the case, but sometimes all one needs is a simple question answered. Being new to this at one point, I know first-hand that it's often easier to ask a simple question than to spend the time reading through several threads. For people doing this for the first time, it can be a very overwhelming experience, and I'm sure getting yelled at doesn't help. Those of us with more experience should be able to help out the new people and point them in the right direction in a mature manner.

Another thing I've noticed is that the general and q&a sections don't always get a lot of attention. More than once I needed help with something and started a thread, but it got no attention. That's another thing that makes it easier to post a question in one of the popular threads instead of starting your own.

And as some others pointed out, in some cases, devs do need to exhibit a little more maturity. We know you do this for free and in your free time, and the vast majority of us appreciate what you do, but I think most of us are adults here, so act like it. As I said, many are new and don't know better, many don't have the time to read all kinds of stuff, and in a community like this for an international phone, there are often a lot of people here who don't use English as their primary language, so that's something to consider as well.

Swyped from my Galaxy Note
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] altae:
He does not owe anybody anything. He does all his work for nothing more than a thank you. If he does not want to develop he doesn't develop. Period. We don't pay his rent, he does not receive payments from xda users unless you count possible donations but it lays in the nature of donations that they do not oblige the one who received them to do anything. Otherwise it would be called salary. Like I wrote before I don't support francos behaviour, he punished the wrong people with his action (or rather non action). But in the end he is free to do whatever he pleases.

Sent from my Galaxy Note running ICS
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] friedje:
Nicely said but a bit too easy.

If you publish, you also take some responsibility.

If you cannot take that , then just develop for yourself....

For every noob or troll, there are also 100 users that use and respect your work.

If 1 noob is more important to you then 100 users, then you need to mature a bit and come back later :)

Of course this is not only about developing and publishing kernels, but it goes for

everything in life. I guess you could call it developing a healthy attitude ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] altae:
If you get paid for your work you are responsible. If you publish it for free and warn people that a mod, kernel, whatever can possibly damage the users device you are not responsible. Otherwise no one could ever publish anything for free. Of course it is not nice to develop and publish something and afterwards abandon the users but it is completely legitimate. Im sure if you offer franco 1000 $ he will gladly develop a kernel and provide support, you could even make himsign a contract which obliges him to do so. But for free? No, there is no responsibility for free kernels.

Sent from my Galaxy Note running ICS
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] friedje:
Of course you are free to feel this way.

Let's say instead of developing and publishing for free, that nobody asked you to do, you decided that all by yourself, let's say you decide one day to help an old woman to cross a busy street. She didn't ask you, she isn't going to pay you, so you don't owe her nothing. So you have all the right in the world to abandon her half way and get along with your life.....

it's basically the exact same thing....If you interact with the ppl around of you, there are rules of conduct. It has nothing to do with getting paid or not.

Luckily some ppl do understand that, or there wouldn't be any volunteers or charity workers...Or maybe there would be, but they might never finish what they started..;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] numbnutsuk:
This thread is just as annoying as a dev who bricked his note begging for money thread. Open source ! Free to everyone! Were android not apple
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] friedje:
CHEERS ! :cowboy:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] numbnutsuk:
Your welcome frog legs
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] altae:
I'm not saying that franco should not finish his work. But unless he gets paid by xda or it's users he does not have to. If he feels annoyed by some posts in his thread and wants to stopp he has the right to do so, he owes us nothing, he has already sacrificed hundreds of hours developing kernels to publish them for free. If he thinks it's enough he is right. And we cant blame him for anything. If you read my previous posts you can learn that I don't support francos temporary absence, I think it's false to punish the whole community for the misbehaviour of a few individuals. But by no means can we expect him to continue his work if he does not want. No obligation for software that has been published for free.

Sent from my Galaxy Note running ICS
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] numbnutsuk:
There are so many members with different expectations and outlook, both clever and retarded in equal order that problems like this are bound to happen and I'm supprised they don't happen more often. But on the whole and in the main xda is an amazing place full of friendly helpful people and long may it continue I say.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] friedje:
Sorry to disappoint you, but I am dutch, so cheesehead would be more appropriate :p

@ altae, you are right, legally he can do as he likes, he isn't under any contract.

too bad the old lady got hit by a bus.. :highfive:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] msedek:
I just did a simple question and answered to an aggressive response... Maybe some people does have time to read 300 pages I do not.. And the question I asqued could be easy clarified in some kind of Q/A section in OP, as I said readed that OP and the other OP and could not find an answer comparing features.. And I really see no point on 2 Offfial porters...

really like this idea

Dont read em.. Just ignore

Seems like you really enjoy the thread as you keep coming and trolling
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
The solution is very simple. Move all development to the Recognized forum. The only place on the interwebs without noobs.

Before you ask, no; non recognized people can't see or access that section.

And yes, i'm kidding.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Weazmeister:
As someone who is a noob on this forum but has been tinkering and overclocking my systems since my first I found the newbie requirements nothing but a annoyance. 10 posts in 50 mins, nothing in dev forum...useless. I just made comments about how "pretty" some themes looked. A couple of, "getting great battery life with blah blah blah " posts, and voila. Just like there is a thanks system they could add a annoyance system. Devs get -10 to hand out to a tard and other people get -2. Some1 gets -12 points and they can't post for a week. I.e. don't puss off a dev :) and progressively worse punishment. This allows legit people who are trying to learn by spending time reading and learning the ability to still interact with the devs w/o being lumped with the trolls and tards.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] msedek:
Great idea here
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] numbnutsuk:
Seems like you really enjoy the thread as you keep coming and trolling

Your the one trolling staring this trolling thead.

Now your thread is ' sick of several things on XDA'

Well why don't you go use another forum or even better go and start your own better one on your own
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] friedje:
of course it is not. If I don't like the smell of your breath

i will give you my -2, and ask all my buddies to do the same.

Even if your posts are highly valuable.

Imagine the extra amount of work for the mods to evaluate the

fairness of received - points....

If we just behave like adult ppl, there s no need for a kindergarten evaluation system.