yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
People can technically do that but to participate in the soak test they have to agree to an NCA (Non Disclosure Agreement) where it specifically prohibits talking about the soak test and sharing the OTA files with anyone. So if they do that they violate the NCA they agreed to to be part of the soak test. I think the logic behind that is even though the soak is probably the final release if there is a major bug or bricking issue they don't want it to spread behind the targeted soak test pool of users.

The soak files will validate whether people are updated to stock 2.3.6 and maybe 2.3.5. It most likely won't have the hashes to validate the system files in the leak so the probability of that is most likely nil. Stock, signed OTA files check every file in the system with hashcodes (either mda or shasum usually) to make sure they are stock. If every file is not stock the OTA will refuse to update the phone. So if you are on the leak it will most likely refuse to install.
[Motorola Atrix 2] KEB64:
It will be interesting to see what clock speed the CPU runs at in the soak / final update.
[Motorola Atrix 2] tmease1:
I got a invite for the soak testing too. I have no idea as to how i could of gotten that because I've never registered with moto.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
It is sent to selected members of Moto Owner's forum that also filled in their model, IMEI and carrier info. That registers you for the Motorola Feedback Network. If you did not do that then there is no way they would have sent you an invite to the soak test.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Again, as I said before. this is wrong. The SOAK is just like an OTA and will be linux patch files ONLY!!! There is no check to see if you are on a leak to see if you are on ICS or not, just a check of the signatures on the files they plan to patch, again not EVERY file. The cheks are md5 of ONLY the files they are going to patch, so that they know that the patch will take.

We have seen these before, and dealt with them before here in the A2 forum.
[Motorola Atrix 2] tmease1:
I have not and will not fill out any info with moto and yes i did get a email about participating in the soak test. So yes there is a way somehow.
[Motorola Atrix 2] A2Trip:
Agreed. And anyway, someone who gets it I'm sure will post here right away if not make an entirely new thread. The BL is what is the main WIP. +1 (OTA don't seem to interesting anyway as of now.) IMHO.

Sent From My Rooted Motorola Atrix 2/MB865 Runing SuperCharged V7-Speed Boosted-OC'd at 1.2 GHz (ICS, 4.0.4)
[Motorola Atrix 2] atrix2noob:
Sorry ill bump others but I can't wait for the soak/ ota and I would update to the leak but I don't wanna brick because this is my only phone, so honestly do I have high odds of bricking if I'm completely stock 2.3.6 and never have rooted before?
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
I'd wait, if you're a greenhorn to rooting and flashing. Just hold tight until the official OTA comes around, can't be too much longer for us. Then, after you update, and root, you'll have plenty of opportunity to soft brick! lol But, with the good guys here in the dev team, you'll have nothing to fear. In the meantime, read the snot out of the n00b threads, and get familiar with CWM, rooting, flashing procedures, and so forth. You can learn a lot by just reading and re-reading. The more familiar you are with basics, the less likelihood you'll have of encountering any problems...
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Dupe...
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Dupe x2 (got stuck in the site maintenance loop)
[Motorola Atrix 2] matb321:
The soak test was released to 1000 atrix 2 users in China http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1839315&page=2
[Motorola Atrix 2] freshbakd:
So almost a full month after first post in this thread. Any one know how long it was from email to test it was in China?
[Motorola Atrix 2] ajsedlacek:
I remember reading in one of the threads that the bootloader unlock tool is the reason for the delay. They were instructed to add it to the OTA before releasing the soak test.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Hatrack:
It's not. There is no delay. Nobody is behind schedule, yet.
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
It's been almost a month since Motorola sent out the soak invites. And the soak hasn't started yet! If that's not being behind schedule, I don't know what is.
[Motorola Atrix 2] dk-v1:
That was just speculation by some xda members.

MOTO does not and will not release any information.

I was told by a moto rep that

That was a week or so after I received the invite.

As we all know, fluid goes back 'n forth, up 'n down, and side to side...so there's no telling whether or not will we be getting ICS anytime soon. However, I can guarantee that we will be getting loads of excuses and bs reasons.

Just like a thread posted on the MOTO forums about the Unlock Tool. Not one response (other than another members opinions).
[Motorola Atrix 2] W1nTry:
So the long and short seems to be that we will have to wait till September for ICS... le sighs... I really like my atrix, it's the slow updates that suck... that being said, yes I am not ready to root and rom my phone just yet... I a, figuring waiting on the official ICS would lead to a stable official CM9 release or such for this great phone.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Motorola = "behind schedule". They're synonymous... However, they still have through the very end of September, as that is the end of Q3.
[Motorola Atrix 2] hoodlikegaza:
What makes you think that....... Sounds like you should be praying for the bootloader unlock first, otherwise you're pissing in your own wind.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Axis_Drummer:
After multiple emails, Motorola has said the US Atrix 2 Soak Test has been postponed and will remain that way until they are ready to begin testing.

I dont know if anyone else has gotten this, but I figured i'd tell everyone what i now know.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Atrix2noICS:
Samsung will be rolling out Jellybean before we get ICS. If the S3 gets Jelly Bean before I get ICS, bye to Motorola. :rolleyes:
[Motorola Atrix 2] DemosZevasa:
The GS3 is a NEW phone. This one is almost a year old...

Sent from my locked MB865 on Ice Cream Sandwich.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Ajfink:
So is ICS.
[Motorola Atrix 2] DemosZevasa:
K

Sent from my locked MB865 on Ice Cream Sandwich.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Hatrack:
So? They didn't promise to start the soak test within any given time frame. We're still in Q3. Wait until Q4 to say that Moto is behind schedule.
[Motorola Atrix 2] ajsedlacek:
ICS was officially released 3 days after the Atrix 2 went on sale with AT&T in the US. It shouldn't take 10 months to port a new OS to an existing Android phone.

Additionally Moto said that they were going to start unlocking bootloaders well before the A2 was released and this just started happening. For one phone. That recently came out.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Atrix2noICS:
Both they area also going to update older phones too, I will wait until 9/1.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Hatrack:
Then what? You'll complain some more? Q4 starts in October.
[Motorola Atrix 2] rdhoggattjr:
the leak is so good i don't care about the OTA at the moment.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Ajfink:
;) Well played.

Not buying any more Motorola phones until they sort their bootloader **** out.
[Motorola Atrix 2] souljaboy:
Lets get the test started!

I already have mine in submerged since yesterday, water levels remain the same though.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Atrix2noICS:
No, Ill switch to the Galaxy S3, Jelly Bean is rolling out on the S3 at the end of the month, 29th I think.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Scottyfer:
Then just switch and stop complaining, its irrelevant to this thread.

On topic: This indefinite delay on the soak test doesn't make sense to me. The bugs in the leak are few and far between, so what could they have possibly found that's causing a hangup like this?
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
Why complain? :D
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
There is the possibility that AT&T is the cause of the delay. Branded devices firmware must be approved by the carrier. Since AT&T wants to sell the Atrix HD they have little incentive to upgrade this device to ICS. Hopefully the firmware is released as promised, but I have seen these promises broken in the past due to carrier interference.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Scottyfer:
I really hope at&t doesn't do us dirty like that. The Atrix HD isn't worth screwing loyal customers. I'm thinking that they either broke something doing bug fixes, or they found a huge bug in another phones build that needed immediate attention.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
LG did it on the G2X. Word was G2X was going to get ICS but when T-Mobile EOL'd it the update got taken off the table permanently. All of the international versions got the update but the U.S. version did not. Not a good sign that the Chinese version of the Atrix 2 (identical hardware to AT&T version) got the OTA already, but we are still waiting for a soak test five weeks after accepting the invite. I am remaining hopeful but have been down this road too many times before. Orphaned hardware rarely gets updated.
[Motorola Atrix 2] mtnlion:
The last soak test was delayed 4_5 weeks due to att wanting carrier iq removed. This delay is also likely due to change requests. Those that jim already stated and maybe more.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
Hopefully that is the case here and they also include an unlockable bootloader to add a cherry to our sundae.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Scottyfer:
They've stated that they don't plan on unlocking previously released devices, even though they just said the Atrix HD would get an unlockable bootloader right before it released. I honestly don't know what to believe anymore.
[Motorola Atrix 2] freshbakd:
I know for a fact at&t does not want unlocked boot loader they stopped moto from unlocking og atrix
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
The best phone to buy for an unlocked bootloader is LG, as it is their company policy to never lock the bootloader. The phones come with an unlocked bootloader. But they are slow on updating released devices.
[Motorola Atrix 2] dk-v1:
90% of everything in this thread is pure speculation.

Unless you work for MOTO and/or are an AT&T consultant, you know nothing for a fact.
[Motorola Atrix 2] D001:
All I know is...I called MOTO to ask them straight up about update. Was put on hold 3 or 4 times, and was told basically nothing. Expressed my displeasure about their customer service, said they would put a push on update " when available " in regards to call... Was sent two surveys to fill out. Not happy...
[Motorola Atrix 2] :
Moto service is freaking good at one thing at least..

calmly taking all the things we say, and then saying

"this query has been sent to relevant department, we will be getting back to you when there is further update, thank you"

#MoTrollers
[Motorola Atrix 2] asdf20:
I had contacted the Motorola Customer Care regarding the ICS update and they say that its definitely going to be in Q3. Here's the response from them:

Denny Joy: I see. Thank you for the information. As far as the Atrix 2 is concerned, it does indeed say that it will be released on the third quarter of this year. I do apologize but we just don't have the fixed date as to when it's going to be rolled out but it is definitely going to be anytime within the third quarter. We will just be keeping you updated on your respective websites regarding further information about this.
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
At least it's not going to be the next quarter :) Any chance they could release the OTA without doing the soak first?
[Motorola Atrix 2] devilhunter47:
Naa they will never do that
[Motorola Atrix 2] Ajfink:
I would say Samsung balances update speed / unlocked bootloaders best of all, though.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
They almost always do a soak first, but it could be a private soak test. For example, T-Mobile typically just pushes the update candidate to a soak pool of their employees using the target device. If they have no problems then they start rolling out the OTA. Not likely, but it could be possible for AT&T to do a soak test among their employees only (if they have 1,000 or so using the Atrix 2) and then the OTA will begin to roll out.
[Motorola Atrix 2] troycarpenter:
It looks to me like all they did was confirm that the list (and website) says 3rd quarter. They didn't actually give you any information.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
+1 The customer support people are the last people in the world to know anything new about a device. They are purely useless and a waste of time.
[Motorola Atrix 2] funnjng:
This is taking too long!!!!!!

most of the phones scheduled to receive ics hav gotten it already i dont get y moto is taking so long
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
Atrix 2 is probably the last phone released after ICS announcement to get official ICS. I'm talking about phones that are getting ICS at all. Shame really. But well, someone's got to be last!
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
Original Atrix 4G is also on ICS upgrade list for Q3. It was released well before the Atrix 2.
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
Do we know that the OTA is going to be 4.0.4? After all this waiting, I'd be pissed off if it's not.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Considering that the leak found is ICS, I'd say your not going to have to go and get all pissed! :p
[Motorola Atrix 2] mtnlion:
So if it was 4.1 you'd be pissed?
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
What else would the OTA be 4.1... doubtful, 2.3.7 most likely not. 4.0.3 definitely not. So why would you even think it would be any different from the leak, that is just plain, not thinking...
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
Are you dreaming, Mister. 4.1? On Atrix 2? Ha!

I don't know what version the leak is. So the OTA could be 4.0.3...

4.0.1 is ICS too and it would certainly disappoint me.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
4.0.1, 4.0.3, 4.1, whichever it happens to be, you should revel in the fact that it's not GB... ;)
[Motorola Atrix 2] A2Trip:
Agreed, be grateful for any development for it...this phone is old news in the manufacture and carriers eyes...

Edit: Leak is in fact, 4.0.4 so I guarantee it won't be smaller then that...
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Dude then you need to do some research before posting nonsense like this. The leak was 4.0.4, and why I stated what I did. It will NOT be 4.1 it will not be 4.0.3, it will not be 2.3.7 it will not even be 3.0.anything... so what does that leave? and 4.0.1 was only for the google devices.
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
All right, if you say so. Reasons be damned :)

Sorry but I disagree. Let's leave it at that.

Nonsense? I didn't post anything. I only asked a question about something I didn't know. I didn't pull anybody by the hair or make anybody post an answer at gunpoint. You're free to not respond to 'nonsense'. Last time I checked, I didn't see Administrator or Moderator written beside your ID. So stop playing policeman and find something useful to do.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Oh dear lord...

(brace for it)
[Motorola Atrix 2] A2Trip:
I think he does more useful things around here that you will never measure up to sir. You need to watch you dam attitude coming in a forum surrounded by seniority. You make yourself look idiotic. Welcome to my ignore list.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Yes nonsense.... because you did not research before making and posting your question. Then when the answers started to come you still pushed down the same path, and when I told you from actual knowledge that I have on this matter, you still pushed down that same path.

If you want to keep down this path, I will be happy to tear you apart, so what is your next move?

This is actually nice, so...
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
If he does useful things, good for him. About attitude, perhaps it's you who should do the watching. YOUR ignore list! Ha, like I give a rat's ass :)
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
If I may,

athani, do yourself a favor and let this one slide. There's no reason for being combative here, and certainly not to the Senior Members (or anyone else for that matter) who try and help you. I'd suggest not tangling horns with Jim, or any other member here -it just makes you look foolish and as though you've something to prove. So, here I am trying to help once again, whether you heed my advice is up to you. Granted, if you decide against, prepare for a most unpleasant experience...

Also, an apology would bode well for you at this point. Just sayin'.
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
Sorry, you don't even know what you're talking about. It was implicit in my original question that I didn't know anything about it. On this forum, you should allow for people of all sorts of knowledge levels...even the noobs. I know nothing about the leak as I'm not into rooting, etc. All I'm interested in is the OTA. In these circumstances, I think me not researching the version of the leak (again, I know nothing about it as I'm not interested) before posting the question wasn't unreasonable on my part.

About the answers, I got them. Was there any reason for anybody to use rude or harsh language in the first place? I think not.

Tear me apart? I'm game for anything that you are. Anyway, let's end this pointless **** here and live happily ever after :)

---------- Post added at 03:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:42 AM ----------

Agreed. Let's all back off. Who started being cocky or combative is all there for everyone to see in black and white. I don't know if anyone has come out looking good from this. So let's not use words like foolish and apology...perhaps the words apply to some of your friends. And.....unpleasant! Has it not been unpleasant enough already? Peace :)
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
Any update from you, my friend? You're probably the only one here who got the soak email from Motorola despite being outside the US. Or perhaps they sent you the email based only upon your imei. Are you now locked to any carrier in Thailand?

Maybe carriers in the US have thrown a spanner into the update - since there's news that the A2 is not being sold anymore by AT&T and therefore EoL. But that's no reason why unlocked phones, especially those outside the US, can't get the OTA if it's ready.
[Motorola Atrix 2] A2Trip:
I don't understand why/what someone would enjoy about getting upset over somthing you cant control. Makes no sence. And to post it here and expect it to not be flamed would be beyond me. Why don't people go tweet about that or somthing? Posting it here is just very stupid IMHO. We're here to help one another and advise one another not lash out when others are being informative. Instead of assuming we're being agressive why don't you sit back and re-read everyones comments from the begining with a more open mind and maybe you'll see it wasn't meant the way you took it. With that being said, I didn't want to add dude to my list since he made #2 out of everyone I met, but hey, I'm here to help not to get attitude in return because I will be glad to cut you off completely so I don't have to read your BS and you don't need to hear anything I have to say. Simple. When OTA comes, it comes, someone will post, and we'll know everything. Done.

Also, I appologize to everyone for the rant. Some of the people on "Atrix 2" forum have just been really saying uneducated things lately and it's unacceptable.
[Motorola Atrix 2] souljaboy:
You're right, it would probably be the best if he didn't ever come back here.
[Motorola Atrix 2] athani:
Some people just don't know how to stop, do they? Bury the hatchet...let things be...let bygones be bygones. Must come back again and again to needlessly troll others...pass uninvited judgments without looking in the mirror. To each his own, I guess. Enjoy life :)

And the forum is not unpoliced, so follow the procedures before saying someone is unacceptable, being aggressive, showing attitude, writing bs, being uneducated. This forum runs by rules, not your emotion or judgment. Report posts to the mods rather than typing a random rant. If you can't, find a forum that you like. Both of you. After your Pop has bought out xda, wishing that I didn't come back might make sense...not until then.

PS: Modern browsers do have spell checkers.
[Motorola Atrix 2] prbassplayer:
Well thread closed. Think this has gone long enough and brings no useful information.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
I just checked the install script for the leak and the asserts are checking the sha1sum, not the md5 sum of the target files. It is only checking for two valid results and I am sure it will only check for proper sha1sums for files from 2.3.5 and 2.3.6 only, so I am quite confident if you are on the leak the OTA update for the soak test and the final release will fail.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
That is what I have been trying to tell you all along..... I am only asking you to use better wording, since English is not your first language, I sort of understand, but be a little more careful, you have people on here who either know a crapload, or nothing.. And if it checks md5 or sha1, it does not really matter much they are both hash sum checks based off a crypto hash anyhow.

There is no check to see if you are on a leak or not (only the build prop check for 2.3.6), and you stated that 2 or 3 times now, and that is what I am getting on you about here. Be very careful how you word things especially if English is not your first language. Also it is looking for ONLY hashes on 2.3.6 not 2.3.5 we already know this, and you seem to have forgotten who tore this leak apart and figured all of it out and how to get everyone on it.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jboxer:
I am a native English speaker from the U.S.. You are the one who is talking rubbish here. If people are on the leak the OTA will not install. I guarantee that. I am a known dev on the LG P999 forums so I do know what the heck I am talking about.
[Motorola Atrix 2] davezaff:
You had to fill out something with Moto to get a soak test invite in the first place.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
Oh boy, here we go again.

(Wait for it, wait for it...)
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Have I not said the same thing as him here several times... I am not getting into it with him, he is not worth my time, and obviously does not understand, that I am only getting on him for saying it checks if you are on the leak or not, that was all I was saying. It only looks for 2.3.6 and and the hashes for files on 2.3.6.

assert(file_getprop("/system/build.prop", "ro.build.fingerprint") == "MOTO/edison_att_us/edison:2.3.6/5.5.1-175_EDMR1.25/5.51.175.25:user/release-keys"

if you are not on 2.3.6 it will fail, period, and also will not work for 2.3.5, which he also stated might work...
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
I know you're not going to start an "I'm right and you're wrong" exchange with him, you're a better man than that. I just sense that with his attitude, it's going to get warm in here. :eek:

Edit: And I know you know what you are talking about. If there's anyone in here I would completely trust, that man would be you.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
LOL, thanks!

I am done with this thread, even if he still try's to attack me, I really don't care. I have work to do with the SOAK coming up and the back to GB script I am having people test today.

I am out for this thread now.
[Motorola Atrix 2] rdavisct:
Feel free anyone who gets The files to pm me a link.id like to tear it apart as well and see whats up with it. :)
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
I have a few people who have promised me the files, I plan to share with all of our dev community, once I have them as well... :D
[Motorola Atrix 2] :
You have been putting in some funny comments lately. Keep it up, we all need it.:)