yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] perri.etb:
If I were you, I would:

1. Download abyss kernel (this is a gb kernel so it should be safe)

http://downloadandroidrom.com/file/...rnel/AbyssNotekernel42CWTouchOriginalLogo.zip

2. Install abyss from cwm (don't do any wipes)

3. Still in cwm, go to advance and reboot cwm

4. Do the three wipes (cahe, dalvik and factory)

5. Install criskelo's rom

It should be done.

That's how I installed,

I'm using criskelo's rom with glnotecore kernel and everything works fine.
[General Questions and Answers] sam11rox11:
Please what are you thoughts i need to know quite soon :)
[General Questions and Answers] I Am Marino:
S2 way over the Nexus.

Even though the S is a Nexus device, it's not a phone I would pick at this time with all these newer much more powerful phones coming out.
[General Questions and Answers] zoth:
If they won't add microSD in the future Nexus lines I will never a buy a Nexus line of devices again. Just root other better phones and install the latest & greatest here on XDA...I hate cloud !
[General Questions and Answers] Dark3n:
Only if the SGS2 is not an I9100G
[General Questions and Answers] Rockstar600:
Galaxy GT-I9100

The beast in its class :thumbup:
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kokpin100:
Do we need to unlock bootloader before we flash 4.0.2.A.0.58 firmware in a arc S? Can anyone show me the step by step on flashing Arc S with 4.0.2.A.0.58 firmware?
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrModMan:
No you dont, and ill provide you the necessary steps...

Download the .58firmware.ftf file (it would be called something else im just saying what it is) > Download Flashtool 0.6.0 or latest > Place the firmware.ftf into the firmwares folder in the Flashtool directory > Open flashtool and click on lightning symbol > select flashmode > then choose the firmware that you want to flash and then click "ok" > a set of instructions will come up > Profit ???
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kokpin100:
You have any guide link together with picture or video? I need it very much. I m new in flashing. Thank you:laugh:
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kokpin100:
What is the important step must be taken before start flashing ?
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cokey77:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmmThXTWu74&feature=youtube_gdata_player. Watch this video it might help:)
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] link-in:
check this out it's a super thread....http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1653188

hit thanks if i helped...
[HTC EVO 3D] scottypeterson:
I've heard about the Boot Manager application that you can download from the Play Store and it makes it a lot faster to switch between roms. I know that the developer of the app is using an Evo 3D but does anyone one here use it? Have you had any problems when switching roms that you wouldn't have if you just used recovery? Is it worth buying the paid version or just keep the free version? Basically just wanting to know if it's as good as its made out to be or if I'm better off using recovery like I always have. Thanks.

Sent from my Rooted S-OFF Evo 3D

Hit that thanks button if I helped.
[HTC EVO 3D] coal686:
I don't personally, but I know of quite a few members who do and have mentioned that they love it. They use the pro version since they always mention having multiple ROMs installed with it. This post from ramjet73 mentions everything he has installed. PM him for more info about how he likes it (if he does not answer this thread).

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=27806230&postcount=4713
[HTC EVO 3D] scottypeterson:
Thanks

Sent from my Rooted S-OFF Evo 3D

Hit that thanks button if I helped.
[HTC EVO 3D] Saneless One:
I love it. Though one current issue is cm9 roms won't charge in a rom slot but work fine as the main phone rom.
[HTC EVO 3D] marC00Linho:
...

I definitively plan on installing it. It seems more practical then using the recovery all the time.

And here's a guide I will follow:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=29505477#post29505477
[Member-Found Deals] chils41:
Hi All,

Got this from Engadget.com here

I guess they are trying to give good fight to Samsung.

Whatever it is, good deal.

The only catch is the 2 yr Contract.

thnx.

EDIT : matter off fact deal is also posted here on XDA
[Member-Found Deals] Will of fire:
So with the 50$ off at radio shack it will be 50$?
[Member-Found Deals] chils41:
Thts good question.

But the Answer is : "I DONT KNOW":rolleyes:
[Member-Found Deals] Sanadrate:
Its 99 at att .....not a deal

Sent From My HTC Amaze
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DyeLongJustice:
Is there any update on Key Lime Pie? When does Google typically update their operating systems? Is it random, do we have to wait a year, or will they announce Key Lime Pie in another 6 months or so? I'm only asking because I'm wondering if my S3 will ever get the update (I'm assuming it will).
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] RaymondPJR:
I think you made a mistake posting in this section, maybe the "Questions Thread" but it's too late. The mods may or may not move it. Usually Google releases every 6 months, it is way too soon to worry about Key Lime Pie. A google search should lead you to a link that will explain it all in full.:)
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] arathur:
Lol! No offense, but I think you should just forget about Key Lime Pie and worry more about when we'll get Jelly Bean officially from Samsung and T-Mobile. You won't see any Key Lime Pie in AT LEAST the next 1.5 years.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jgalan14:
Google is unpredictable, they release ICS one year later and Jelly bean nine months, we might have to way for another year tho, but usually a nexus device comes out on holiday season so we just got to wait and see
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] coorsleftfield:
Really really liking them.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] slymmfitzyc:
I thought I was the only one. I made a few thousand at the close of business Friday. My portfolio is looking quite well just wish they paid dividends.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] DarkManX4lf:
What changed that is making their stock go up? Any new announcements or something?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Overstew:
Q2 earnings. It was a loss, but less of a loss than analysts predicted. lol
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] ktrotter11:
Maybe the actual launch of lte
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] donsh00tmesanta:
Network vision showing improvements
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] advancedbasic:
It's as simple as they did better than people were expecting. They're still highly leveraged which is risky, but their improved cash flow suggests some margin of safety business-wise. Also, they've done very well so far in improving customer service and expanding their network. That wasn't a bad day for myself either...
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] DarkManX4lf:
I wish network Vision would come to the nyc area sooner.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] flonker:
Sell! Sell! Sell! lol. Only in these fabulous economic times can a company post losses for a couple straight years and then as soon as they post losses that aren't as bad as predicted, they become a company that people want to invest their money in. Wasn't too long ago bankruptcy was rumored to be an option. lol. Hopefully, it keeps up, they can use it to help secure loans for NV.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] advancedbasic:
Once S hits the $5.00 mark as long as it continues to show signs of a turnaround it should increase in price quickly.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] sarreq:
well if you like 'em so much, why don't you just marry 'em?

¡P
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] mmark27:
Like Murder Boner liking them?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] elephant007:
As long time Sprint customer I will agree that their customer no-service has changed to customer service. They have done a lot of improvements to right that ship, not to mention some of their plans are very nice, unlimited data... what other carrier has that now (unless grandfathered in)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] a2tz:
Glad others feel this way and not just me. I bought it awhile ago when I knew they were getting the iphone, NV was rolling out, and LTE would be out soon. Took a couple dips on me, but it's doing well now! This was the first stock I've ever bought too.....figured I'd buy something I at least knew a lot about. What are other's opinions of a relative short term high point? In my head 6 months ago I thought $5 would be my sell point but I've read recently that that is the point it's ok for fund managers to buy so it will probably go up more from there. Just wondering what other people thought.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] coorsleftfield:
I think the new iPhone will give them another boost as people figure out that Sprint LTE is real and they can get unlimited fast data on Sprint.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] hayzooos:
I pray people don't figure this out. Sprint's data speeds TANKED when the iPhone hit, and you can be assured that an LTE capable iPhone will do the exact same thing...fricking hipsters.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Skrillz:
Hey guys. So earlier i decided to switch back to some normal CM7 Nightlies since i dont quite like how most of my favorited games dont work on ICS. Does anyone have any GOOD kernels, good battery, good performance?

Also, Does anyone have any Mirror links to these kernels from Faux123? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11410258 I'd prefer the CFS version.

Also im pretty sure someones gonna say "Google it" But all i'm finding are these "The Internet vs. Hollywood" ads when i click the download link and i cant get passed it.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] estallings15:
I use this one.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1113554
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Supamike88:
When you click the download link, it says account suspended
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] estallings15:
It sure is. I asked in the thread if someone can upload a copy. Hopefully someone bites. Keep an eye on it. And if someone does, please hit their thanks button.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Supamike88:
I found this link by googling Darkside V12 for Glacier http://d-h.st/pkubp7ufwu19
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Skrillz:
Thank you! Every kernel link i've clicked always has a 404 error, account suspended or like i said that internet vs hollywood thing. :)
[TouchPad General] caltech27:
I know the older brick kernel allowed GPU overclocking, and I was curious as to whether this option is (or will be made) available in the latest ICS builds?

While I know this won't net any tangible real world benefit, I just love tinkering with things. It was one of the reasons I loved my gtab so much.

Thanks in advance.
[TouchPad General] Infinite Jest:
It isn't available with the current kernel. From what I've heard, even a mild overclock produces a noticeable boost in framerate of some games.
[TouchPad General] soapinmouth:
Brick kernel should still wish shouldn't it?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mbh87:
Just a simple mod that will keep the clock in the pull down present no matter the clock option you chose, including hide clock. Nothing else is included or changed.

Credit to hiemanshu for the original fix in Liquid.

Download For 7/29 Build: http://www.mediafire.com/?52bbllmapxv120b

Download For 7/28 Build: http://www.mediafire.com/?5uu52jvz4w4g91a
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] GeyerA:
Hi, stupid question. How did you manage the change the battery png's? I tried but can not find the location of the 204 png's in the SystemUI.apk

Thanks :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lichti1901:
I´m sure he flashed a theme for theme chooser.

But normally you´ll find the png´s in /rey/drawable xhdpi folder :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] GeyerA:
Hello Lichti, I also already followed your MOD's; nice jobs you did.

I know that I can find the png's in the xhdpi folder but in the case of CM ROM's not. I managed to use a Battery_Mod tool from the command line but the size was not ok. On AndroidME, I just pasted the pictures I liked. I also need to mod the stat_sys_battery and stat_sys_battery_charge.xml's..... and can't on Ubuntu....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mbh87:
Updated. Please stay on topic, thanks.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ShiloBeidany:
I worked like this guide : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=734871

then i get bootscreen of at&t and i can't get even to download mode.. can anyone please help me ? i lost
[Galaxy S I9000 General] yuanw:
you need a usb jig to force your phone get in to download mode. You can search ebay to buy one,
[Galaxy S I9000 General] O-T:
Shilobeidani:

Please stop making a new thread for every challenge you need to tackle. This makes it impossible to give you help and can be treated as spamming.

Start by reading General STICKY

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=20057736

:)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ShiloBeidany:
Thanks bro i understand , i got so much problems ..
[Kindle Fire General] gavincm11:
First off, I know that I have made a horrible mistake. I was rooting my Kindle Fire, and was not thinking clearly at the time. I went to use the KFU, and instead of first rooting the thing as originally intended, I got excited and jumped the gun, hitting 3 to load TWRP before I was even root. I know, a horrible mistake. I now have a Fire that is stuck in Fastboot, with all the drivers working. I cannot find a stock recovery to load via fastboot, and do it right. Lesson learned, never mess with Android unless you are completely sober. I know that my computer is recognizing my Fire in Fastboot, because I am getting Android Phone - Android ADB Interface. Anyone that can help me correct my stupid mistake I would greatly appreciate it.

P.S.

fastboot -i 0x1949 oem idme bootmode 4000

fastboot reboot

Does not work for me.

FIXED! I repeated hit the power button while the device was rebooting, after attempting to reflash twrp in fastboot. This let me boot normally and I was able to continue. Thank you for all who looked.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soloman56:
Hi Everyone,

I know there is already a thread about using Voodo OTA Rootkeeper which I believe allows you to temporarily unroot the Nexus 7 in order to apply the 4.1.1 update, but I'm wondering if SuperSU can be used to do the same? Is the process as simple as disabling SuperSU in settings, then applying the system update and then re-enabling SuperSU once the update has been installed? I am currently unrooted and have already installed the 4.1.1 update, but I am intending to root my device soon and am wondering if this process could be used for future updates?

Thanks

Here is a link to the Voodoo OTA guide:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1764794
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marty331:
I'd like to know the as well.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JaZart:
IIRC, ota updates won't flash without the stock recovery.
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smirkis:
just forget about official ota, deb's cook em to be flashable in custom recoveries, plus paulobrein will update his rom when new updates drop!
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fridgeman:
do you have to change the recovery when unlocking/rooting if i'm not bothered about installing other roms, but want the ability to run root programs?
[Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soloman56:
No, you don't have to change/flash a different recovery. When using the Nexus Toolkit (which I used this afternoon with great success!), you have the option to keep the stock recovery or flash clockworkmod (CWM). CWM is great if you're flashing custom roms, themes etc. as it's much more flexible (I believe), but if you're main goal is to be able to use root apps, then the stock recovery will be fine :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] LamboJ:
Is there a way to check the ROM currently installed? I installed a ROM and I like, so just want to update to the latest version but can't remember which one I installed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] DoctorQMM:
Try Settings... About phone... scroll down and check your Build number.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Dinman:
Menu/settings/about phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] LamboJ:
Found it. Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nitrogen618:
Anyone have this problem on the GSM Galaxy Nexus?

Around the right side of the camera, press on it, and it'll creek.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AshtonTS:
I have it a little on my LTE gnex, doesn't bother me at all tho
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dimitrie:
Yeah I had it too. I just bought one of the OEM back covers from ebay and the creaking stopped.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Lesicnik1:
I also have it on my GSM Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] philip67:
I have it too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dschreiber69:
Yup
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kingali1997:
Im kinda new to the development scene and i was wondering if you can point me to some places to get rom development started for the fascinate.

also will dsixda's Android Kitchen work for it.

i only have one fascinate so i would like to get pointed in the right direction before i try.

any help would be greatly appreciated.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ztotherad:
bro, ive been there & ive tried this and i couldnt get data to work, but i couldnt
[General Questions and Answers] anhungai:
Hi all,

I use phone lg p970 v20g (Vietnam). I download rom *DKZ.

Please, help me tool extract fille DKZ and tool add file Recovery into file this after extract.

Beacause, I use tool B_SmartFlashTool_Extern flash rom my phone.

Thanks everyone!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vlx600d:
Been running jb for a bit now, tried sourcery, flashed fine, Ran added a mod or 2 phone stout down and that was it, I had this same issue with one of the first flash able jb roms where now, I can flash a from fine, but it just boot loops, I try to restore a back up and it give me an error while restoring data, I've tried doing advanced restores of everything but data, flashed clean aokp flashed the jb I was running before no matter what, same thing. New from boot loops restoring backup fails at data. Any ideas?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vlx600d:
Also, last time this happened I reverted back to stock, locked boot loader, and started from scratch, losing everything, pictures, app backups, and I'd like to ha void doing this again if at all possible
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] beekay201:
What recovery are you using? Update your recovery through fastboot to cwm 6.0.1.0 or twrp 2.2.0.

Sent from my i9250
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] joselarajan87:
NOTE: IF YOU STILL GETTING THE MSG ABOUT THE TMOBILE OFFER OF 14.99 THE SOLUTION IS:

SOLITION #1: IF YOU ARE USING GOOGLE CHROME AND STILL WANT TO USE GOOGLE CHROME AS YOUR DEFAULT BROWSER YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE USER AGENT. TO DO SO YOU OPEN GOOGLE CHROME CLICK ON MENU THEN TOOLS, THEN DEVELOPER TOOLS, THE A WINDOW ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IS GOING TO PUP UP THEN CLICK ON SETTINGS (THERE IS A SETTING BUTTOM ON THE RIGHT BOTTOM) THEN YOU ARE GOING TO SEE 3 TABS: GENERAL -OVERRIDES-SHORTCUTS, CLICK ON OVERRIDES THEN YOU CLICK ON USER AGENT AND CHANGE THE USER AGENT TO ANYTHING THATS IT!

SOLUTION # 2 :GO TO WWW.APPLE.COM AND DOWNLOAD SAFARI BROWSER SIMPLE AND USE IT! THATS IT!!

ALSO IF YOU DONT LIKE SAFARI BROWSER YOU CAN ALWAYS DOWNLOAD FIREFOX BROWSER!!

1ST - ROOT YOUR PHONE!!!!!!!

2ND-DOWNLOAD THIS APK FROM THE MARKET OR FROM HERE http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/ VERSION 3.1 BETA14

3RD-INSTALL IT ON YOUR PHONE

4TH- OPEN THE APP HIT MENU-SETTINGS- CHANGE DEVICE PROFILE AND SET YOUR PHONE TO SAMSUNG GALAXY NEXUS (CDMA/LTE). NOW GO BACK AND START TETHERING!!!! THATS IT SIMPLE WORKS GREAT AND FAST!! CONECTS ANY DEVICE FAST!!

NOTE:

NOTE:IF YOU GUYS UPDATED YOUR PHONE NOW PUT THE PROFILE TO SAMSUNG GALAXY NEXUS GSM INSTEAD OF THE CDMA/LTE !!!!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jjlean:
Works on mine too
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] cr6:
Does this only work on the t mobile version our will it work on Verizons as well?

Thanks!

tap'n
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] joselarajan87:
so far i know this method works on sprint and tmobile.. havent tried verizon or att yet
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jjlean:
Try it and see. Shouldn't hurt anything. It's just an app.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] cr6:
I'll give’r a try, thanks guys.

tap'n
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jawang26:
Just fyi.. Someone else on another thread and now me got a push msg from using Wifi Tether.. Pretty much says stop or they'll block tethering.. I've only been using it for about 2 days b4 I got the msg

Anyone else get it or have a work around?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jjlean:
Are you using the stock app or wifi tether? I thought wifi tether is supposed to avoid tmo knowing that you are tethering.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] joselarajan87:
try using a different browser on your pc.. that happens to me on time but with a galazy s2 and it was because i was using google chrome, so i swithc to a different browser and problem solved!!!! JUST FYI
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jawang26:
Ok thanks ill try fire fox btw is there any settings in firefox I need to change?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] cr6:
That's interesting. I've been using Wi-Fi tether for over a year now, originally on my fascinate and most recently on my S3 without any problems. (My carrier is Verizon....my data usage is between 8-12gb a month.. .sometimes more) I think I'll just stick with that as opposed to the method posted in the OP.

tap'n
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] erikiksaz:
You must download an extension that will allow you to change the user agent.

Change it to the Xoom tablet.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] circuit.007:
I keep getting redirected to tmobile sign up, page..
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] joselarajan87:
use a different browser!!!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] kwilsonjr:
I just got wifi tether for root working on mine. I used the Nexus GSM profile. One thing i noticed is wpa password won't let you use anything but letters and numbers. that blows. I normally use periods and other special characters.

I got OUTRAGEOUS tether speeds. well, best I've seen in awhile anyway

---------- Post added at 07:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:04 AM ----------

did you try typing another address in the address bar of a new tab? I thought mine was a fail too when it went straight to that page. I opened a new tab, typed in google and it came right up. went into settings and made that my home page. no prob.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] lazi punk:
is there a difference for nexus GMS or CDM/LTE?

thanks
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] eggnoodle:
a bit confused with the app...i turn it on then it switches me to 4g/E mode while i'm already on wifi.

if someone don't mind explaining what i'm doing wrong.

thanks
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] jawang26:
Uhh not sure what you mean

Wifi tether is when your on a mobile data connection (4g/Edge) and you don't have Wifi...you turn it on and it acts as a router or hotspot and lets your laptop connect to it.

If your in an area with Wifi that you can connect to you don't need to use the app. The apps pretty much only for when your in a location w/o wifi.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] vdub804:
Thanks man it works great, I was getting errors at first but after switching to the galaxy nexus gsm profile everything was all good :thumbup:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] redh0rse:
Thanks. Worked for me.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] joselarajan87:
Note:if you guys updated your phone now put the profile to gsm instead of the cdma !!!!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] eldon71:
Man! i tried it and it worked
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] joselarajan87:
great :)
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] techpreneur:
As long as you have their 5GB or more plan wifi hotspot is free.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] cybrnook:
I think in the latest version there is a profile for GS3 now, just an FYI
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] yuugotserved:
yep works fine and i did change from generic ICS to samsung gs3 profile. thanks OP
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ppctester:
same :D

3.2beta2 seems to have finally sorted things out

with 3.2beta1 it worked but only without encryption

now I can use WPA to lock my hostpot down from leechers if I'm around you wouldn't believe how many random people jump on yourstuff if they see it's open ....