yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
He said halo with the app from the play store.... Plus the play store app is called halo as well...

Hangouts is being rolled out slowly. If your account doesn't have the flag yet then the hangouts app will not work.

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Yes for right now the notification will sit there until a new one comes in. When halo is complete that should be fixed though.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] stfudude:
I don't mean to address anyone with my last comment. Because I see at lot of people saying things like that, it annoyed me.

Anyway, hangout works wonderfully. (Remember I wrote that I uninstalled the old talk and install hangout from play store?)

I grabbed the apk, restored the old talk, try to install, got error "app not installed".

That's why I asked if anyone is able to update their old talk through normal route (play store). And also why I asked if we have to wait for new PA's gapps containing that hangout app.

Sent from Nexus 7 3G using Tapatalk HD
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
Ahh right read that wrong. Hangouts replaces talk. You can't install then side by side.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] horqai:
I can confirm this problem. Pa is getting more and more features which is nice on the other hand the device is missing the nexus 7 typical speed with PA. That's not the best way of focusing for the development goals. I switched back to CM and all slowness is gone.

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 7 mit Tapatalk 2
[Nexus 7 Original Development] simonbarsinistr:
At least for the recent builds, you can't expect them to be fully polished and finished, because they are still alphas. Now the earlier March builds should have been pretty solid. If those had the same issue, then it's probably something to do with the base. But in most cases, I think people bring problems on themselves by wanting to use all the tweaks they can, without understanding them.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] StuMcBill:
It randomly started working again? :confused:

Thanks for the suggestion though!

Stewart
[Nexus 7 Original Development] cocchiararo:
Halo is Alpha, The rest it's not.

About the slow performance that we are seeing, I will try disabling all the pa features.

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Tapatalk2
[Nexus 7 Original Development] stfudude:
Disabled halo, nexus 7 becomes smooth again. I'll do this for now, until the devs found a way to optimize their rom with Halo enabled.

Sent from Nexus 7 3G using Tapatalk HD
[Nexus 7 Original Development] jlvlawrence:
I haven't noticed PA being any slower on my 7 than CM or AOKP. They all seem about the same to me. Those are the three that I rotate between. I also use trinity kernel.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] simonbarsinistr:
[MENTION=820656]Rhian[/MENTION] - Nice work, man! Way to try to put some numbers to the griping. I'll never understand the sense of entitlement people have concerning roms they didn't pay for, and we're made by people using their time and talent for their own enjoyment and other's benefit.

Even if you donated, you didn't make a purchase, and are owed nothing by the rom devs. If you are dissatisfied with a rom, and aren't sophisticated enough to provide logs to assist in actually fixing it, then switch to something else. But the devs, and the rest of us, don't need to hear about your switch. The conceit that shows is sickening.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] horqai:
Oh - sorry, I understand your accusations, but this annoyance was not my intention. I was typing this quickly without any idea of judging or complaining about PA or the developers work - as a result my phrase was chosen in unthoughtful. I just wanted to share my experiences with the last versions of PA (which I all used from 2.5 to the last one, what I forgot to mention). But you are right my information content is useless without nearer details oder specs.

I also have one of the earlies Nexus 16gb versions and tried to solve the lag problem by doing a factory wipe with a fresh PA installation three times + once without using titanium backup. Every time my device started to slow down and reacting slow after input. I first thought I have the version with the buggy eMMC chip, which I have not, then I thought its the launcher (Nova) or an other app, which wasn't the reason too. I tried different kernel versions - no luck. The only reason I've find out to this point is, the faster responsiveness even after a few days of use was the change from PA to CM - as I said, thats what I've tried to submit in two rubbish short sentence. I have the feeling, that on every page someone's reporting the same issue and for that reason my wish (let's call it like that, if I'm allowed to) was, that the developers, which I never wanted to offend, could may focus on that issue. If I'm the only one with this problems - I'll live with that. I thought I'm not alone.

Just about your benchmarks argument - that's the only point I'm disagreeing, for me is only the every day usability important. How fast is the screen up after pushing the button, how fast are the apps ready, how fast, snappier is the drawer or the switch between settings, apps, homescreen etc. And in this perspective I had huge issues with pa and they are now all gone with CM - there could be a reason and if someone finds out, whats the reason this would be great!

Have a nice day :good:
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Rhian:
In theory benchmarking on the same installation should show the best performing one (not the most battery friendly one!).

Your unique selection of apps installed (and running) decides on the footprint you have on any ROM. If your unique footprint runs better on CM and you are happy with that, then that's great. If however you do prefer PA and you are willing to investigate, you can use tools like Android Tuner to dig into the why the differences. (Which app is using most time/CPU for example). I also realise that there might be a difference between the 4-May version and my tested 13-May. As I already spent half a day benchmarking, I didn't see the need to add another to the bunch.

Just to be clear, I didn't do it just because of your post, I had already planned to benchmark several ROMs I like against each other to see the differences.

As for snappiest responses, I had the impression SlimBean was responding fastest of them all, but in my testcases it was a very subjective observation. I couldn't prove to myself why it seemed faster, as none were noticeably laggy for me.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] dotnetnightmare:
Would be nice to have a pre 2.5 build to bench and see the results. My thinking is that user coming from the 4.1 jb builds are the ones noticing this lag. I have been following Cm 10.1 and there users are saying the same thing.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] lollyjay:
All the same, your posts smack of "shooting up the saloon" before running out. These kinds of posts offer nothing of use, and are almost always taken as offensive by those who are interested in helping the developers. Goodbye to you and good luck.

Nexus 7 WiFi 32Gb | PA 3.50 13-May-2013 | Nova Prime | Franco-Kernel r61

Nook Color | PA 3.15 14-May-2013 | Nova Prime | Stock Kernel
[Nexus 7 Original Development] cocchiararo:
not for me, andi disabled per app colors, removed all the per app DPI settings, disabled halo, and some other custom stuff too.

i can't say that PA is slower than another rom, since i have only used PA on my n7 :P

I do FEEL that it is laggy now, but my phone when i bought the n7 was the Galaxy Nexus, now its a Nexus 4...

Anyway, there are no logcats or benchmarks for feelingthe lag unfortunately.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] dotnetnightmare:
Are there any links to 2.54? Goo pulled them.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Rhian:
<laughs and nods> I've been looking for old builds too!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] dotnetnightmare:
oopz
[Nexus 7 Original Development] heccubusxda:
Sorry for the completely noobish question, and I've looked high-and-low for the answer but I flashed the May 13 build last night to check out Halo. Is there a FAQ somewhere that I've missed?

How the heck do I turn Halo on? I'm getting ticker-type notifications but no sign of the Halo-thingy.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] tour93:
If you are using Pie you need to deactivated it to show top and bottom bar, then activate Halo by clicking on a little icon in notification on top bar, then reactivate pie.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Rhian:
As tour93 said, it's in the notification area. I included a screenie for you. There is also a vid in the posts on

Google+ PA

(

or here directly on Youtube

).

More settings for Halo can be found in Settings > Toolbars. There is also a

Google Play app

to add shortcuts to Halo.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] heccubusxda:
You guys rock- Thanks!!!!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Tornado77:
Why I can't instal .apk? Instal button not activate.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] thereal_bigjake:
Helps to read before you post.. With that said Halo is an overlay and Android blocks installing apps while an overlay is active.. So drag the Halo to the X and then install your app :D
[Nexus 7 Original Development] cocchiararo:
I'll retract myself for now, with PAC, per app dpi and halo disabled, my n7 seems much better now (it did not initially tho)
[Nexus 7 Original Development] jclendineng:
My halo appears after a hybrid change then disappears. Weird.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] vs8:
Does anyone hate having to move PIE manually, or am I alone in this one? In CM you can set pie controls on left/right, not just left or right.

I constantly switch hands and have to take the time to move pie manually, which is very clunky if you ask me. And sometimes I forget were I last put it forcing me to swipe edges looking for it.

Are there any plans to improve this?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] edwinr29:
Really dude???
[Nexus 7 Original Development] vs8:
Well, yes. I think it makes absolutely no sense. Moving pie takes a lot of time and has a very clunky animation. It's a bad design in my opinion. It's much quicker if you just could set it to various edges at the same time. CyanogenMod and LMT enable this. It is much better, faster and less confusing.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] lazer77:
Simple solution. Use CM or LMT then. ;)
[Nexus 7 Original Development] vs8:
It was just a suggestion. I'm not a PA user per se. I've been using it for a few weeks testing the new features and all. It's a good ROM, it has great developers, and awesome ideas.

I just wanted to give some feedback. I respect the decision to not make pie appear on more than one edge. I don't like it, but that's the beauty of this. We can choose the options we like, there are plenty of fish (ROMs) in the water (XDA). :)
[Nexus 7 Original Development] dotnetnightmare:
Yeah, who are you to disagree or have an opinion. Any further user who doesn't bow down and worship lord aaron will be exiled. This is the wish of the cult of us loyal. Where's the Cm link?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Cor-master:
Yeah I don't see the issue myself, I mean it's feedback, not criticism.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] thereal_bigjake:
I use Pie on the right and LMT on the left :D
[Nexus 7 Original Development] vs8:
That sounds crazy! So crazy, it might be an awesome idea. Thank you! :D
[Nexus 7 Original Development] yanksrock1000:
I love this ROM, have been using it since May 5th....however I have to notice that it isn't as smooth are fluid as stock android....Animations, scrolling, unlocking, locking, going home, multitasking....is this normal? I know that his rom packs more features, but the lag kind of ruins it for me. Does anybody have any suggestions?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Rhian:
Have you tried the last build? (

13 May

)
[Nexus 7 Original Development] hazwheel:
I'm sorry but I just don't see it, the lag, running PA 3.5 with m-kernel and its super smooth for me
[Nexus 7 Original Development] lollyjay:
+1

Nexus 7 WiFi 32Gb | PA 3.50 13-May-2013 | Nova Prime | Franco-Kernel r61

Nook Color | PA 3.15 14-May-2013 | Nova Prime | Stock Kernel
[Nexus 7 Original Development] bcvictory:
What is your configuration then?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] dotnetnightmare:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2113150

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Pa 2.11 For those wanting to retrofit & compare to 3.15. Bench those two and then tell me the lag is Elvis, a UFO, or Bigfoot. All things people claim first hand knowledge of while others say it's in your head.

http://downloadandroidrom.com/file/Nexus7/roms/ParanoidAndroid/pa_grouper-2.11-09SEP2012-192509.zip
[Nexus 7 Original Development] lollyjay:
Post 5921 in Franco thread, per Ginberbreadman.

Nexus 7 WiFi 32Gb | PA 3.50 13-May-2013 | Nova Prime | Franco-Kernel r61

Nook Color | PA 3.15 14-May-2013 | Nova Prime | Stock Kernel
[Nexus 7 Original Development] djricekcn:
this may have already mentioned but how do you change the nav. bar size...well the bottom bar on tablet mode. i want to make it smaller but the nav bar slider stays at 100% no matter what i do
[Nexus 7 Original Development] dotnetnightmare:
Interface/ Size, changes to the dpi affect the nav bar size in tabletui. 213, 180, 160 are the common dpi used for tabletui nav bar
[Nexus 7 Original Development] djricekcn:
Hmm, tried it but not changing....or it's not getting small as the previous version. it's a lot thicker than what it was previously on 160.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] dotnetnightmare:
This lag is not PA. Don't mistake my being the Devils Advocate as truth. Aaron has done an amazing job & deserves props. The forums are clogged with lag! CM 10.1 has a lot of lag in it. All these are 4.2.2 issues, not the developers. The developers try flags & other optimizations to give a better, smoother experience. Some tweaks are so fast & are unstable, leading to data corruption, freezing, reboots. I used pimp my rom and watched my battery drop. Now I swear by Crossbreeder with AdAway fix I posted in that forum. Users are taking the lag comments personal and we are all loyal to Aaron, so word your comments knowing "The lag is not pa, it's google 4.2.2." You really have to be multitasking the sh*t out of a tablet to even notice it. Quad core is still not a Laptop. Okay, done ranting!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
Alright enough speculating. I built PA on my machine with some changes (not gonna tell you because that'll mess up the test).

Here's the link: http://db.tt/G6iTpjZL

Let me know how it goes.

EDIT: This build does NOT have halo because the source isn't released yet.

EDIT2: For those having issues with dropbox: http://www.mediafire.com/?et2wppdte5pc1s3
[Nexus 7 Original Development] bcvictory:
Is this about the 'lag' problem? I'm considering making a thread/guide about different ways to 'stop/reduce lag'. Good idea?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
Yes that's what it is about. I wouldn't say making a thread is a good idea because there really isn't anything the typical user can do to help it.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] bcvictory:
Can you PM the changes you made to PA? Won't share them here. Just interested.

I'm going to start a thread just so people who are having problems can have a place to see if anything 'fixes' it.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] :
is it me or is goo.im a terrible download link?

well decided to download the may18 build to see what the rave of paranoid android is all about.hope all goes well.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
Just remember this is unofficially built by me.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] :
decided to stop the download of the rom and gapps.way too long to download.2hrs??no rom is worth 2hrs.will try again later.

and yes ive read its your build and am not worried,i just want to check it out.thanks for your work
[Nexus 7 Original Development] cdx47:
Sorry if this has been said before but the xda app crashes when used with Halo.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
I'll see about rehosting off of Dropbox. Gimme a few minutes and I'll update the post.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] dotnetnightmare:
Yes goo can be problematic. The rave of P. A. is this: The hybrid engine, pie, halo, rock solid, everything works. Not one of the vanir builds or hybrids can claim to be as reliable. You name a rom with hybrid engine and I will tell you a list of issues, Dead Serious!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] :
thanks evan for rehosting

and thanks for the insight on PA.what exactly is halo?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
The new multiwindow/notification ticker PA is developing.

EDIT: Here's a video. It's outdated but it shows the feature well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODo4nIm8Osw
[Nexus 7 Original Development] :
freakin sweet...okay im pretty much sold.redownloading right now.Btw do i need that big gapps file that is PA or can i use any?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
PA gapps are preferred because they include some changes specific to PA.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] :
Thanks 2 hrs it is then.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Shmi117:
PA itself isn't laggy for me at all. Halo is the only thing making my device laggy, but this is to be expected from an alpha version of a ROM.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] :
results after install:

text messed up in notification window

no halo

system laggy

going to return back to stock.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
1. Known issue with 180 dpi. Go to hybrid settings from settings, swipe from the left edge to get the menu, select Interface and set size to 190 and apply.

2. Halo source isn't released, so my unofficial build doesn't have it.

3. Give it a bit to settle down after the install. I promise it's smooth as glass for me.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] :
I will reinstall again a bit later
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
If you don't want to wipe and reinstall you can try out multirom: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2011403
[Nexus 7 Original Development] :
Its okay wiping is never a problem.it is quite quick.I don't mind

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Thanks that fixed the text ui.now gonna play with it for a bit.thanks a lot

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This ROM is actually pretty nice,very smooth,not really that laggy.its nice.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] djricekcn:
next update: can the 160 nav bar size be fixed as previously? i want it skinny like hwo it was before, right now it's too fat for my likings
[Nexus 7 Original Development] drynyks:
- "Is it dark in there?"
[Nexus 7 Original Development] hutzdani:
Your better of jumping to cm10.1 if this is not smooth enough, cm10.1 is better as a daily driver for people who want super smooth and no messing about with the pie interface when using apps.

The halo is a gimmic for now its hardly useful twinned with the pie, its a fix because the pie removed the notification bar which is a pretty major part of daily usage on android.

Removing the notification bar was great along with the nav bar in order to get more screen space but for using your phone speedily the stock buttons are way way better.

A hidden notification bar that pops down when a notification arrives or when you choose to pull it down would have been way better, but as always PA is chasing features at the expense of blazing fast stock android with new changes to the already proven system to improve it further.

This is the reason I always go back to cm10.1 after a week or so because there is nothing to keep me on PA on my nexus 4, but then again its great on a tablet as your not getting so many notifications on a tablet vs a phone

In fact my nexus 7 has always run PA since I rooted it but my nexus 4 always goes to cm10.1.

Fans here will always dispute what I have said, but hell you can see the failings of the PIE because they had to create this Halo and yet as much as they are cool you still can't tell what kind of mobile data connection you have without entering settings or having a widget that tells you.

There's a very long way to go for this system to catch up with the stock based ROMs and be as solid, all the tweaking colors is great but not needed or improve the running of the ROM unless your color blind.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] jlvlawrence:
I agree with a few of those points. I use PA on my 7 and AOKP on my g nex. Full screen plus pie on the 7 is top notch in my opinion. The lag conversation has certainly gotten old at this point. Like the above poster said, if it's to laggy for you, find a different ROM.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Punchlinegott:
Is there any way to resize every widget I want to like in cm10.1?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Dixi1801:
I've resolved my original problem, but I've just restored to my stock rom after a wipe and my settings app is missing, as is gallery and a couple of other apps. Can anyone tell me how to fix it?

Thanks :)
[Nexus 7 Original Development] jclendineng:
Bought the donate app. Keep up the good work pa :)
[Nexus 7 Original Development] montez.061-:
There's a lot of truth in your post.... Maybe paranoid will Institute the hid notification bar feature that most roms are using to be able to have the full pie and notification bar at the same time.... Halo seems cool, I'm using it to post this whole still on my home screen.... Which is cool in my opinion, but I think the fact that they are taking things and innovating is what makes android the best and what makes it unique
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
You can use pie with the notification bar. Just set nav bar to 0% in pa prefs and exit expanded desktop.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] :
I agree with cm10.1 being quick,but,as always,on other devices too,I've ran into problems with cm.I only test ROMs out and eventually return back to stock
[Nexus 7 Original Development] snapcrackpop:
"Unfortunately the process com.google.gapps has stopped."

I installed the 3.5 update without the gapps update.

Skimmed over the last 10+ pages... google playstore has stopped. What do I do?

Thanks.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] montez.061-:
I meant being able to make it only appear when needed, and otherwise be gone
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
You can set pa to automatically go to expanded desktop on certain apps.. Not sure if that's what you're referring to.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Cliniclyinsane:
Hidden status bar, i know a few roms have this feature
[Nexus 7 Original Development] ktkr:
That's a great feature, where can I change the settings?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] EvanA:
Open hybrid props. Go to the tools section and check the box for expert. Go to the apps section, select the app you want to auto expand, scroll all the way over to extras and enable the expand option. Apply and test it out!
[Nexus 7 Original Development] wad3g:
I haven't touched my tablet today, but I'm at 95% battery at and its been idle/unplugged for 13 hours?

Is this real life?
[Nexus 7 Original Development] dblake15:
Wow I figured it out. I had notifications off for some reason. I am sorry for wasting space on this forum. I stink
[Nexus 7 Original Development] Jay Aristide:
We all have our herp-a-derp moments. Owning up to them is what separates us from beasts =P
[Nexus 7 Original Development] ashclepdia:
Lol

yes

Its just not a Gnex that's why ;)
[Nexus 7 Original Development] taitony:
So, I use Nova Launcher to replace Apex because its lagging during rotation.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] pinhead:
I was excited to have the problem solved and spoke too soon. I still have no steering control in games that rely on tilting the device for steering.
[Nexus 7 Original Development] kytrauma:
For those seeing lag using apex, have you went into apex setting and changed the option in the update checker to beta from stable? Apex has a beta that seems to work better on JB that the one in the play store.

Go to:

Apex settings> about apex> automatically check for updates

And change to beta then check for update to get the baeta version.

Works well on my n7 and my s2

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 Original Development] carlz0206:
What version of trinity are you using and how the exp?

Thanks