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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] mburrieza:
I understand both cases, but to each their own.

The Nexus 4 pricing is very good and I would love to have one, but google is extreme here releasing a 8GB version in Q4 2012 and not a 32GB option or at least a sd slot. I would pay $50 more for a $0.25 mSD slot.

They are forcing us to use the cloud (only place where google earns money in ads or our data), and I'm ok with that. Except that they do not release all the cloud services outside US (music, movies, tv, magazines, etc). So even if my country had good 3g coverage (which it's not the case), I would not be able to use most cloud services even on wifi (without some vpn or proxy to spoof a US IP). The same with spotify, hulu, etc. We are screwed...

I'm using a $30 32 GB class 10 mSD card (that is faster than the stock 16GB internal). Reasons:

A) Some new games use more than 2GB of space each. I'm a casual gamer with 2 or 3 of those high end games installed.

B) More than 100 apps installed. I use to delete the apps, but still have a lot of them.

C) If you have kids you probably use your phone as a casual camera. I almost replaced my point and shoot with the phone, except when I use my SLR on birthdays and special occasions. The same with the camcorder. 1 minute of 720p video use more than 100MB. It's good to keep the videos and photos on the phone to show them to your parents, friends, etc. The note screen is perfect for that.

D) A nandroid backup takes more than 2.5GB. I use to have 2 in the phone. I download roms directly with the phone. Flashacholic...

E) 10 GB of mp3. It's less than 10% of my full collection that I rotate regularly. I use the phone as my daily mp3 player. I sold the ipod.

F) Some movie or tv show on hand for any occasion.

G) A couple of GB of work`s files. You never have good internet connection when needed. I'm not using my laptop every day at work since I have the note. For most meetings I just bring the note.

H) I also replaced my ipad with the note and give it to the wife.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] goobieracing:
No doubt ur beat working on all thesre phones and not even doing smiple stuff like making roms. Instead writing/modding hals and making kernels. If I had the skills I'd do it like you too. Thanks for the great work and the insight. I came from the infuse and jumped to this phone because I knew you had one and this thing has a huge screen and good hardware specs not knowing the infuse actually has more progress. Bacily what I'm saying it because of people like you is why I love my phone and its every day functions and I'm glad I no longer have a iphone. also that my next phone will be well documented to keep you devs happy.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ahalford:
That's the problem...many people, including me, are feeling bounded to your choice :cool: Well, you probably know it...:o
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] chasmodo:
Yes...where CM team goes, a lot of us go. I know I cannot continue to use a device the "development" of which consists of nothing more than TW fæces augmented by Note 2 and SGS3 ports...and bricks.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] smeddy:
Samsung have a terrible stand at Kings Cross, London, which until last week was still demonstrating Note 1s. I played with them and then laughed a grim laugh, for even up to date stock ROM is laggy and stuttering. It is XDA and developers like Entropy who make our gizmos shine.

I adore my Note, and I like Samsung, but my experience over for years on XDA makes me inclined to follow the devs. As others have said, it may be a non brainer once the Nexus offers micro SD. Until then tho, um paying close attention to the choices of the top dogs.

Actually who am I kidding? At some point I'll just see something shiny and then raid my piggy bank :o
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cdmackay:
I wonder, does the Nexus 4's similarity to the Optimus G mean that the latter might be a well-suited phone for CM10?

The advantage there would be that the G has an SD slot [sorry, yes, I know :)]

Will the Opt G benefit from the Nexus 4 source, from a CM10 perspective, and thus be a good choice? Perhaps even a better choice than the N4? Well, price aside...

[apols for OT]
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Entropy512:
Yeah. Plenty of CM team members other than myself though. :)

I think I read some bad things regarding bootloader locking on the G. As in, it's locked and it's not unlockable. That fundamentally kills the device. There are many developers who refuse to support devices that require unofficial hacks to unlock the bootloader.

If it does have an unlockable BL, between being Qualcomm-based and arcee being the CM maintainer for LG devices (as in, I believe they have sent him every LG device ever sold in Europe), that should be a reasonably well supported device.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
Android Central got this from LG:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] b3rok:
CM-10-20121029 - still, from time to time (once per 24h) Note wants me to write a PIN.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] MTAlmeida:
Nexus 4 here I go !!! :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AA1973:
For those who won't get the nexus 4, but want a little but of 4.2 feeling, here is an installable 4.2 keyboard with gesture typing. Works...:thumbup:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...d-4-2-keyboard-with-gesture-typing-right-now/
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Flintberg:
AP took down the mirrors. Care to share?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AA1973:
Xda thread > general apps section

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=33480297
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] csoller:
Hi folks, just installed CM 10 2 days ago, and im really liking it. One issue: my battery is fine with lotsa screen on time, but my idle time is pretty bad. Looks like my phone is having a hard time entering deep sleep. Any thoughts? Thanks!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Utacka:
Download betterbatterystats from play store let it run for a few days in background and check wakelocks.

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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] csoller:
Thanks, doing it rite now
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ntony17:
thx boy
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] b3rok:
Is it placebo or the CM-10 for Note is getting more and more buttery?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Trijunction:
It's not placebo for sure. rom is improving .thanks to all devs.

I have flashed leaked jelly bean but reverted quickly as there is not much difference in terms of project butter or smoothness...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] schaggo:
Made me LOL really hard. Increases my kudos output towards you by factor 2.5 though :D

Still, N4's out the race, even if *you* get one. Can't follow the Nexus route with this little storage and no expansion, cloud services are really not an option in europe. I pay close to 35 US$ a month for 2Gigs traffic (after that 0.10$/mb) plus free calling on landlines and calls inside my carriers network. Thats all. There is no unlimited plan available and the next step upwards, 10 Gigs, would be ~60US$/month. Note: speed brutally capped after 5GB. As I said, cloud services are not an option. Read on, as I'm not alone:

There we go. And I'm not even that much a hardcore user and do *everything* on the Note. Still, why one could need more than what the Note comes with for example, I quote the most obvious and generally applicable, as mburrieza laid it out really well:

16Gigs are nothing with this usage scenario. 2 nandroid = 3-4gb, some titanium backups, 2-3gb audio, 2-3gb movies, 2gb archived ROMs and Gapps on the device to cover ones ass when flashing on the move :P and there you go, full house. Nothing exceptional.

Full ack. And full ack to many similar statements all over the place. I'll probably go for an XPERIA T. Entropy kind of recommended it, codeworkx already got one. Its not ultrahighend but got enough power and some really nice hardware otherwise. With its looks I'm cool. Its developer friendly although the forums are still kind of empty atm. I hope that'll change eventually :P And probably most importantly, I can get it for really cheap from a local store. Ho there, pick it up, ho home. If it breaks, I simply flash stock, drop it at the store and pick it up again, fixed, a week or two later. Thats how I like it. Somehow feel sad to let Samsung and the Note go. But yeah, Samsung somehow screwed up.

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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ahalford:
Am I wrong, or, looking at gerrit cosmetics, we're going RC soon?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Entropy512:
CM might be, but Exynos4 devices def. won't be.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
JB 4.2 camera and gallery app works really good! Grab it over at Android Police.

Note: yes, it includes the new features like Photo Sphere and photo editing.

Edit: Here's a link: (flash in recovery)

http://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=9390135922294523570
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AA1973:
Video camera as well...working? The first leak was kind of ... annoying (in terms of functionality) ;)

I'll try it anyway, for sure :p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
Just tried the video camera, aaaaaand no. It starts recording, and when i stop it, it hangs for around 3-5 seconds and then the app crashes. But everything else works, so i'm keeping it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AA1973:
Edited: 480 works...I think ;) but the video is not really recorded... whereas @720/1080 the button does not respond at all, so we'll wait for the next patched leaked version

Anyway-Me, too-I'll keep it! :thumbup:

@Lord big thanks, highly appreciate it!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] mburrieza:
It's good to not be alone on this.

I don't understand all the hate for options. Some Android fans are starting to act as apple fans.

If you read the excuse Matias Duarte gave for the lack of SD cards on nexus devices...

I really love the guy for the ics/jb looks, but the sd card being confusing is nonsense. How a SD card can confuse a user if we are using them since +15 years. My grand mother use a SD card on her camera. If someone can't use a SD card, probably also never heard of the name Nexus or even Android OS...

Maybe if they stop calling the internal flash as /sdcard less people would be confused.

The killing of the tablet UI in 4.2 is also a controversial decision, but for sure solvable with the help of some xda genius.

droid-life.com/2012/10/30/matias-du...-bean-lack-of-sd-card-slots-in-nexus-devices/
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...continues-to-shun-sd-cards-multiuser-support/
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cdmackay:
Well, I dunno. I don't really buy it either, but I do see the point he's making.

Many Android apps don't give the user a choice of storage location, they just use default Android APIs for that, and I think that this means they only "see" the internal eMMC, and not the SD card.

And this tendency is increasing: e.g. camera in ICS could be told where to store, but not in JB.

Other apps go at it at a lower-level, e.g. via a UNIX path, and thus can be told to put their data anywhere. But some of these apps try to give helpful labels to various locations, internal/external, embedded/SD, and they don't always get it right.

There's little consistency amongst apps, and that is what leads to user confusion.

Heh, and that's without Samsung (was it?) deciding to mount the external SD card under /mnt/emmc, and the internal eMMC under /mnt/sdcard, right? And CM9 aping that, then allowing us to choose which, and then changing the default? Remember the confusion that caused? I remember writing a wee note for the FAQ, which no doubt muddied the waters further... :)

*we* may not be confused, but my wife certainly is, when I try to explain these matters as they relate to her Galaxy S. I think Google is more concerned about her, than about us. And rightly so.

But...

why not give us the option, eh? A reasonable onboard storage, and still a slot. then my wife can not bother to put a card in, and we can choose...

apols for OT...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
The thing we keep forgetting is that the average Android user doesn't care about these things, and it does confuse them. I have recommended the iPhone for a lot of friends, since i know they will get lost in the Android world. I mean, AOSP is clean and simple to navigate and understand, but just look at TouchWiz. Samsung is adding so many features that it's ruining the platform. It should be simple to use a smartphone, and the average user should be able to find stuff, and not get confused.

If you read the article i linked to in my previous post, you'll see that a SD card can potensially screw things up with the multiuser feature that's coming soon. Let's say you're using your phone, and you've added a new user. When the user logs into his/her "account", what happens with the SD storage? Can he/she access it with a file explorer? Where does that persons data get stored? In different folders? Then.. again.. can he/she get access to my folder? What happens if i mount that SD card into a different device? Do you see what's wrong here? We might not see the problem, but for the average user, this would be hell on earth. It's just simpler to abandon the SD card all together. Read the article in my previous post. It has some good points.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] chasmodo:
These security concerns should not be too hard to address IMO.

The administrator creates a user account and fixes the number of Gbs the user can access. The system creates the user's folder on SD card and that's the only folder that particular user can see on the SD card when they log on.

As to the question of what happens if you move the SD card to another phone, there are just two possible scenarios IMO:

1. the admin moved it - he/she can reassign/rearrange the space and all is well,

2. somebody else moved it - they can do whatever they like and this is bad; but how is it any different from what happens now if someone gets hold of your SD card? They can still do whatever they like.

But all this is besides the point. If Google don't want to give us two storage options there's nothing we can do about it except approve or disapprove with our wallets. However, I feel they should give us more options if they want to keep just the internal storage. Why just 8 and 16 Gb phones? Why not 32, 64 and 128 as well? Pay more, get more.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cdmackay:
But you can't do either of those things (quotas, ownership) with a FAT-based filesystem, isn't that the point?

sorry if I've missed something...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
This is exactly the thing. This is way too complicated for the average user, and...

... you're right.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ahalford:
There is one more little point, talking about phones ony, not tablets.

Why the hell we should need a multiuser? The device is personal! Tablet - I can understand. Feature for corporate phones - I can understand. But no reason in the world to limit storage types just because of the multiuser ability.

And the things of M.Duarte about "confused" users are pathetic. So, shall we use one non-partitioned hdd on our home pcs?

I'm myself heavily thinking about getting N4, but the sorage is still an obstacle...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
You can't compare phones with computers. Computers are computers, they are advanced and are being used by a lot of different people, including professionals. Phones on the other hand are different. The average man doesn't spend his time customizing his phone. He's a basic user who make calls, sends SMS', surfs the internet and downloads apps. The more time he has to use to get his device to function properly, it's a huge loss for Android as a platform. People must want to use their phones. iOS is popular for different reasons, but one of the big reasons is that it's incredible simple to use. The more technical stuff you press up to the surface that the user has to deal with, the more people it'll scare away.

And let's not forget that the FAT-based filesystem doesn't support things like ownership and so on, and it's not a safe format at all.

It's aparently difficult for people like us to understand since we're huge techies, but 95% of the people out there are not interested. As long as their devices works, they're happy.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] mburrieza:
With multiuser support the problem will be even worse without sd card expansion. Imagine you, your wife and kids all using the same device with different accounts and private partitions.

You will run out of internal memory in a minute if you choose the cheapest version (what "normal" people do)... then try to explain average Joe that Android/Nexus is not crap when the second 4GB game fails to install on their shiny new device.

The problem is software/OS based, not media based. Even Microsoft solved the issue with the crappy WP7 proprietary format solution.

Google needs to put some effort to provide a solution and modify their APIs so apps do not get wild saving data in any place each dev wants (this is annoying even without a sd). Maybe some intelligent system where the OS decides where to put the data depending on the available space and file types. This should not be so difficult for Google.

I even don't care if the filesystem is not usable outside the phone in a Windows PC (this is just me, maybe someone else need this). I'm not moving the card when it's located until I change phones or buy a bigger/faster card. This could also increase the security that everybody is so afraid. Fat is old and ugly and SD storage ultra cheap and fast. If you want to reuse the SD for other device just format the card and that's it.

Sorry for the OT. I will shut up and wait for a 32gb nexus 5, that probably will be available in 4 months.. :D in the meantime the closest thing to a nexus 5 is my beloved Note with cm10 and a $26 32GB class 10 mSD
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
That wouldn't work. If you want multiuser to work and be safe, you have these choices:

- Throw FAT out and break Windows support, which is ****ing stupid.

- Get rid of the SD card.

The first one would kill Android, and i would leave within 5 seconds. But like you say, 8 and 16GB is way to low if they plan to roll multiuser out. I would at least need 64GB.

But we are waaaaay off-topic now, and i think i can see the closet to Narnia, so let's move on (please?)

Edit: sent from my nexus? What in the actual ****.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] thechints:
Working 4.2 camera and photosphere viewer works too... tested.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...gallery-app-with-new-ui-editing-photo-sphere/
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AA1973:
Video recording still not working... just tested as well ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] thechints:
Yes, AA. Just replied in HI Discussion thread :p

Now, time for some Glenlivet :silly:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Sparda92:
Hi everyone,

I'm very satisfied of what the CyanogenMod team is doing with CM10.

The rom is great, stable, very fast and smooth.

Today for the first time since I moved to CM10 I needed to use Wifi direct and I wasn't able to enable it.

The weird thing is that to access wifi direct you have to go through Wifi first and must it be enable.

That wasn't the case on other custom (non CM) or stock rom I used.

Anyway at the end I was able to access the wifi direct menu but I cannot search for a device nor rename my device and cannot be seen by other device with wifi direct activated.

It is the same for you guys ?

Is that normal on that rom ?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
480p recording works here, so in other words, it still doesn't work :p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AA1973:
Can you play it? Via the new gallery?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] schaggo:
If its not CM based you werent running anything else than stock. Modified, yes, but stock.

Because wifi direct is not working on CM10 due to Samsungs stuff being a mess and broken and not working with anything else than... you guessed it, stock. I believe this information could have been found entering "wifi" and "direct" in the searchbox on this page. Not a 100% sure though, but quite sure.

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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Entropy512:
Why would it totally kill Windows support? The internal storage is ext4, and thanks to MTP operates just fine with Windows.

Format it ext4 on insertion, reformat when swapping devices - problem solved. (By the way, this is how Windows Phone does it...)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
Yeah you're right, but we are talking about SD cards. There's no problem with the internal storage, which i should have thought about before i commented the way i did :p

Correction: It won't kill Windows support. You will still be able to transfer files to your internal storage, but the SD card will be incompatible with Windows. Better? :p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Entropy512:
It'll work just fine if you access it via MTP. That's pretty much what WP7 does I believe - when you insert a card, it's tightly integrated into the system. The idea being you can add memory to the device reasonably easily for the purposes of leveraging dropping storage prices, BUT you can't just swap stuff out willy-nilly. It's a good compromise IMO.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] csoller:
OK, did it, but can not figure this out alone. I googled it, and looks like that i am not the only one having issues with this multipdp, which apparently is in charge of data syncing. Any thoughts? My drain is 13.5%/hour without screen on which is not ok... :(
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Sparda92:
Thanks schaggo :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] debsuvra:
Did you try tapping on the wakelock inside BetterBatteryStats window? Can you see the little question mark circled in yellow? That indicates the particular wakelock has a knowledge base entry associated to it. Tapping on it will take you do the following page https://github.com/asksven/BetterBatteryStats-Knowledge-Base/wiki/svnet-dormancy where you can find that the wakelock is

Therefore, there's no way to prohibit that wakelock as long as your cell radio transfers mobile data. As you're having data transferred while the screen is off, there must be background apps syncing data. If your phone is using EDGE and syncing in background, it could take significant amount of time before syncing is complete and thus draining a lot of battery in the process. Did you try switching off all the syncing?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Utacka:
Might be sevices like dropbox or something which is maybe taking forever to sync with edge?

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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] smeddy:
An app such as Green power, which disables syncing when the screen is off, may also help.

Also, quite unrelated but it may help someone. My upgrade path is a messy one - every singly nightly for six weeks, as well as experimental CM10 builds, as well cyandelta upgrades but still...

My phone was getting bogged down over the last three days - terribly stuttery, regular restarts, launcher hanging all the time.

For me, the issue was Chrome. Somewhere down the line, it had got corrupted and was stalling my phone. I suspected it was Chrome and uninstalled it - now back to proper CM10 Jellybean! I was worried I needed to do a proper hard reset when I don't really have time to sit down and do it atm.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Bingoig11:
Loving the root file explorer in CM10 :good:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
you have more luck setting your aps to push istead of synch every so often.

You will also be more interested in the partial wakelocks.

Battery saving apps generally cause wakelocks.

There is a verry verry good thread especially for this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1878828

There should be something there.

If you didnt do clean install or used a backup that could also cause this.

---------- Post added at 12:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:56 AM ----------

I cannot see a reason I would want multiuser support on my phone. On a tablet, yes, phone no, nobodies touching my phone lol