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[Ouya General] rushless:
Well, the bright side is this device should not have the infamously long delay to market that Pandora had. It was doomed as a result. Noble intent marred by the reality of getting a product to market on a mass scale. In Pandora's case, not even really mass scale, since not a lot of folks bought it.

My concern is how this model makes money. Surely the total cost for this product to market is a per unit loss, so they are hoping people use their own market for revenue. Rubes like me though like getting their apps form the Google market so works on all(most) devices. Heck, I rarely get stuff from Amazon or Slideme, since prefer the stock market and those apps work on all devices.

I wish these folks the best, but think there might be enough people that think like me that could hurt the apparent business model of the device. Simply put, I will probably not buy apps that only work on one Android device. I do not even buy Tegra exclusive apps for my TF300 or Excite, since will not work on my GS3.
[Ouya General] lovekeiiy:
I think the above makes excellent points about the bridge between mobile device and consoles because most people don't root/jailbreak their devices.

Given the costs, I suspect that they're not really going to sell at loss. Maybe some of the units sold through Kickstarter. Although, I suspect they're only marketing a small margin on the units. Nintendo has shown it's possible to sell hardware at a profit with the Wii. I think the idea is to do like other market places online where they take some percentage, say thirty, on all sales. And they've said they want some kind of free to try model, which is to entice people to buy more games.

Like others have said, a lot will depend on the games. It'll take some time, but if the units sell, the developers will come, which increases the chances of getting good games.

On a side, I understand about buying games from Google Play over other markets stores on Android. Although, I do like Amazon to a limited degree. Some games are exclusive to it. I tend to use it for the free app of the day. It's a nice way to try out some premium apps without having to pay. If I like, then I'll buy it later on Google Play; I've read the free app of the day on Amazon, the developers don't get anything.
[Ouya General] joewong1991:
I was all excited when first announced now it seems like old news and it's still not out
[Ouya General] rushless:
I can not see how the OUYA is making money on the device, since they have to pay the contract manufacturer for the units, marketing, staff, etc and their company is not getting the $100 price, since the retailers are. Seems they are losing money on the devices and hoping to get it back and a profit through their market and spare controllers, etc.

Simple point I make is the custom market could be iffy, since there could be a lot of people like me who do not want to buy Android apps that work on one device. That is unless the apps will work on other devices, but that creates it's own issues to their model from an install base standpoint. That said, if they are making money on the apps and losing less money through selling less hardware: Winning! Call it the semi-Sega model.
[Ouya General] raptir:
Eh, the Nexus 7 was estimated to cost $184 to produce. The Ouya has the same processor (almost), no display (including the touch layer) and no battery. Plus the Nexus 7 was released months ago. I doubt they're making much of a profit on it, but I also doubt they're losing a lot on each unit.
[Ouya General] heupe:
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[Ouya General] pcrat:
more power is pointless, the games dont need it, and even with it, it wont make the games any better, Remember it slike trying to polish a turd, in the end its still a turd.

This is not a ps3, has a strong GPU and cpu for what its worth but you will never see CALL OF DUTY or HALO on this thing.

this is ment for angry birds and pinball,

I really dont see me wasting money on this, i dont see it going very far.

But if all the games can be store on the system and not use discs or anything external. that would be a huge plus. sucks playing a quick game of tetris then have to get up and change discs lol.
[Ouya General] lovekeiiy:
you may not be playing COD or Halo on Ouya, but there will be some clone or similar game. They're already there for Android.

I don't think it's destined to fail. It'll be a bit more niche. I think it has the potential to do well, especially since it's going to be Amazon and in some major retails such as Target. It's going to get in people's hands.

A lot of it just depends on one's definition of success and expectations on the device; especially in regards to games. Not many people thought much of Roku media player box. I preordered that one; it was called a Netflix Player by Roku. Now, it's very popular. By no means do I think the Ouya can't fail. I can see how it can do well and fill a need/want.
[Ouya General] Azurael:
I was really quite excited about Ouya when I first heard about it. Now it's taken so long to get to market? Not so much. To be honest, $99 isn't really very good value for a device that, okay, has nice game controllers... But there are Chinese 'stick' Android devices that are as, or more powerful, for half the price. And you can actually get those, now.

My main interest was to use Ouya as a media streaming box with a lot more flexibility and a decent browser. But if I really did care about gaming on a TV but using a device with far less 'oomph' than the PS3, 360 and PC that are hooked up to said TV, I don't see what would stop me pairing up a PS3 controller...

I'm assuming there will be hardware refreshes down the line - maybe if it doesn't take them a year to get the next one from announcement into the public's hands, I'll be more interested then.
[Ouya General] RussianCode:
I say it's going to be like a Nexus. Just a crap ton of support.
[Ouya General] djbenny1:
surely the smart thing to do would have been to make it compatible with google play?

why the hell would they want to compete with nintendo / microsoft / sony? just doesnt make sense?
[Ouya General] rushless:
Seems this and the Game Stick are trying to force people into buying apps just for their devices, so there are now more fragmented stores. Play, Slideme, Amazon, Ouya and Gamestick. Soon to follow a Shield store too?

Not seeing how these proprietary stores gain enough install base to make money and pay for the total investment... Wait, they got Kickstart bucks, so other people's money to help out. It will be very interesting to see how these devices are received by consumers.

I kind of agree that the sticks already out seems more appealing since already work with controllers, media streaming, USB hubs and more importantly, the Play store. If one of the current OEMs release an update with a Tegra 3, that might do some damage to both proprietary devices.
[Ouya General] eksasol:
Have to disagree with that. I own one of those chinese Android sticks, while they are can be good for the price, not all of them are reliable and are easy for consumers, they are more for the geeks and niche group. The stick I got come with issues that force me to do some soldering to fix the WiFi issue.The Ouya have a proper support and looks like it have good build quality and with warranty. It's something I can see being sold in brick and mortar store for regular folks.

Otherwise, you should never buy a tablet made by brand names like Samsung or ASUS, but go for one of those cheap Chinese tablet, with no warranty (even if it does have it, can be very hard to get a replacement), shoddy build quality, battery goes dead or charging port break shortly after buying, no support, no CyanogenMod support, poor development. Now I am aware just about everything is made in China anyway, but there is varying level of quality assurance and support depending on who make the device. They are not going to buy some random chinese sticks. As soon as the Ouya is released I'm going to ditch the chinese Android stick.

I do agree that no PlayStore (by default) on the Ouya is a terrible idea, same terrible idea as the Kindle Fire. I don't have any problems with multi-stores, it just allow more options. If you can't deal with this, stick with Apple and iOS. I know it'll be very easily for people who are used to root and sideloading to install the PlayStore, but its still a terrible idea for them to not to work with Google to have it included or just not want to include it.

Also the title of this thread is outdated, its already proven there are lots of interests for this device.
[Ouya General] rushless:
The catch is the Ouya apparently blocks their own market if the device is rooted.
[Ouya General] eksasol:
For one I can see their reasoning, there are developers who state they don't want to develop for Android because of of piracy issues. So this decision might put some of them at ease, though there are always work around.

(I don't advocate piracy), but Jelly Bean have gone to some good measures to prevent backing up purchased apk, though there are ways to get around it with root. So that's most likely why Ouys decided this.

For me, I can just sideload. But some of the thing you brought up like no PlayStore and root restriction might make me do more research before jumping on this. I don't want to end up like with the Kindle Fire where's it's too locked down, but I'm probably over reacting. I mainly want to use AOSP on the Ouya, I run strictly AOSP based roms on all my Android devices, so as long as rom developers have interests in it then I will get one.

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[Ouya General] rushless:
If the app is DRM protected, it will not side load unless the device is rooted. The catch then is no Ouya store.

I still think that Ouya's intentions though undertandable could backfire. They might find a lot of people that buy the device root it and just use for emulators and their own Play games. They might get forced into relenting to Play as an absolute last resort.

The key then would be exclusive content, or getting the devs to only update control function for them. Considering the Play store will give the devs more sales, I doubt that will happen. I am talking myself into buying one just as an emulator and MAME station. Not for the Ouya paid apps.
[Ouya General] tuktukscotty:
I will definitely be buying one. I'm not worried about no play store as someone will soon work a way around it. Look how fast things come out for one device and people port it to another....

for the price they are charging, it's not the end of the world if it isn't as good as it is anticipated.
[Ouya General] tcb4:
Idk, I like the ouya, but I'd be willing to pay a 50 dollar premium for a one of qualcomm's snapdragon 600s or samsung's exynos 5250 at it's full 2 ghz with the gpu upped as well.
[Ouya General] Serilei:
I am quite interested in this myself, I wonder how the resolution will play out on 1080p screens though, or it is going to look kind of choppy.. I hope for the best and would definitely pick one up.
[Ouya General] eksasol:
Sorry, but to get a licensing deal with Samsung or Qualcomm to have one of those new gen chips will probably involve multi-millions dollar deal that Ouya people simply do not have. And it probably going to end up raising the end product cost more than just $50. See: cost of the Nvidia Shield device, and that's with in-house chip.

Might want to wait till they have a version with Tegra4 in that case.

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It has the Tegra3 chip, it will handle 1080p videos just fine, as for 3d games on 1080p, depend on the game. YouTube "Tegra 3 1080p game".

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[Ouya General] rushless:
The problem still remains that there is not enough app storage space for 3D games, beyond small home grown games. Games from Gameloft and EA will not be practical on this device.

I think a premium version of this device would actually sell BETTER than the $100 version. This device needs at least 16GB app storage and they could apply a more premium chipset- in Qualcomm purchase batches of at least 1,000. Charge $150 or $180 for the device. Most gamers would choose this config over the current one. At any rate, they should have put 16GB in the current device and counted on the app sales.

I think folks here are not appreciating the fallout the low app space will almost certainly have- that is if the company is assuming people will buy apps to make them money (they are depending on it). About 6GB of available app space is pure NUTS for a gaming device. They have designed a device that will result in constrained app sales.

Still, big thanks to Ouya, since will provide me a very very low cost MAME station :)
[Ouya General] bwild:
They have said a usb hard drive can be connected to increase storage. Shouldn't that suffice?
[Ouya General] rushless:
That is for media storage, unless they have altered the framework of JB to allow external app storage. Very doubtful.
[Ouya General] tootone:
What you said there is really ignorant. Firstly, consoles don't have powerful GPU's. The ps4 is going to have a 7850, which is an older mid range card. It will also have a 1.8ghz MOBILE cpu. (not arm, but mobile x86) Clearly neither of these are high end powerful chips. Also, and this is the real kicker here, you don't even have a good video card. the 7770 is basically the 5770 with better heat capabilities. i would refrain from saying things as if they were fact, without actually knowing anything about them.

the ouya, with be a very powerful android gaming device. It will not be limited to the currently hardware heat/power requirements that android devices have. Therefor the cpu/gpu by default will be far more powerful than your typical android device.
[Ouya General] ooBONGoo:
In my opinion,

The Ouya is the first android based console being released to the market. Even with the news of the GTV, the gamestick, etc. etc., OUYA will be the first android console.. They will have that distinction. As far as the OUYA having much impact? I don't think so. It's competing in a niche' market where for a while, it'll only have to compete with itself. If my nexus 7 had hdmi support, I doubt I'd even touch the OUYA. Everything I liked about the OUYA, I already have the capabilities with my tablet, minus the hdmi. The only thing I'm mainly interested in is the root capabilities... we know why people root their phones & tablets and some of the benefits that comes with it, but what about the OUYA? What function will a rooted console do other than warez & pirating of games?

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That's what worries me. Really need to know if OUYA will allow for external storage of app installation. With the size of some of these android games, it's a no brainer to allow external app storage.
[Ouya General] kenofstephen:
Yes, it is doomed.

1 year 1 device? It's a joke.
[Ouya General] philfrommancs:
Not quite sure what your point is there.... 1 year... 1 device.... If we are talking about time it took to get to market then it's pretty impressive when you think about where it started from.

You say it's a joke... Care to elaborate???
[Ouya General] kenofstephen:
ya, 1st device of everything always failed, look at the history... such as the 1st tablet, the 1st laptop...:eek:

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their CEO said they will release new OUYA hardware every year.:confused:

then I would prefer a PS4 to play at least 5 yrs.:good:
[Ouya General] philfrommancs:
But surely that doesn't mean you have to upgrade.. It does how ever give you the option to....

I'm sure most people wouldn't upgrade their PlayStation's if it was available each year but equally some would relish the opportunity of keeping their machine cutting edge. Are you saying that's a bad idea... Giving people the option of Keeping their Ouya current ???/
[Ouya General] petedaddi:
I thought they were just saying the software would be updated yearly not the actual unit.
[Ouya General] suicidal.banana:
I backed the OUYA in its first days with good hope, but during the kickstarter campaign more and more cracks started showing, now they've hit a point where it just seems to go from bad to worse, to name a few;

- No more free to play, only free to try, aka if you want your game to be free, OUYA still wants money.

- Mandatory CC details, but no parental options, or even visible prices in the store.. Apart from the fact alot of people simply dont like this idea, one cant help but think about the 'recent' hacks with Sony & Steam, and OUYA doesnt even carry the proper security licenses to deal with CC details, let alone force you to save them, also real fancy how they vaguely mentioned this a few days before sending out backer units.

- Shipping will take a few months, the people that shelled out more for limited edition and/or extra controllers are pushed to the end of the line, great stuff, especially because this also wasn't mentioned earlier (march would be when every backer would get theirs, now it looks like 40% still wont have theirs by the end of june.)

- There was an uproar about the controller when the dev version was sent out, they claimed they fixed it, exact same uproar has come from all the sites that reviewed a backer unit, OUYA claims they will fix it, apart from the fact i think its a downright lie, im not to pleased to find out they know of these issues, yet send me a limited backer exclusive console with those issues..

Overal, i was just super stoked to find an OUYA section on XDA, cant wait to flash some proper working firmware, either a spinoff of OUYA's or a new one, at least the device will be used to its potential now.

Im still happy i backed it btw, how else would they've been able to release it, but all of the above has left me with a nasty taste, the way things look now i wont be running the OUYA as-is for long, however i still have some hope for a decent bit of firmware to be available in June.
[Ouya General] jonnytk:
ouya

hard to say, will have to wait and see. it is interesting
[Ouya General] DrROBschiz:
I think its important for Android Devs to pick it up and make better software/Custom Roms for it

From What I hear

The Ouya software has a lot of issues despite being simple and easy on the eyes.

It fails to deliver on Set Top Box potential in its current state based on all the current reviews

However it is an android device with solid hardware. If some Devs give it some life it could be a pretty darn good cord cutting alternative to more limiting devices like Apple TV without requiring the Money and Know How to setup a Raspberry Pi or HTPC (with frontend loaders) respectively.

I am a bit worried at how dead the XDA board is right now but i think that is mostly due to the fact that most people dont have their OUYA yet and I would be very surprised if any XDA devs dropped 500+ for a dev console
[Ouya General] timkd127:
For the most part anything anyone is going to say on this topic is opinion and speculation. It's impossible to say what is going to happen to a product until it hits shelves. The originial XBOX was said to be "doomed" by quite a few sources, which obviously ended up not being the case. If the right game, or app, or some other piece of software comes out that creates a solid user base and draws the attention of more developers to the device it could do just fine.
[Ouya General] Paulenski:
I have my Ouya, my intentions were not just to have an little gaming console but something that is an Mutlimedia Console. I know a lot of people who aren't getting it for the gaming but because of it's small form factor, hdmi out, usb(usb hubs do work to expand, I've tested with USB storage, keyboard, mouse, SNES usb controller, all worked on 1 hub expansion), ethernet, built in wifi/bluetooth, you can do basically what most tablets/phones do but tie that into a home-user experience.

I wanted to be able to watch my collection of movies and TV shows over DLNA or UPNP. (Tested with XBMC, works good, need to do the DTS ffmpeg custom audio codec setup with XMBC)

I wanted to be able to play classic SNES, NES, Sega, N64 games on a big TV. (Already have 800+ SNES, 2k+ Nes, 100+ N64, 500+ Sega. Only SNES has been tested to work great with SNES9X emu)

I want to watch YouTube, Netflix, Hulu, and Crunchyroll on this thing too, but some of those apps have been said they were making Ouya verisons. (Netflix and Crunchyroll work with just plain sideloading, not optimized for TV tho, like UI wise, videos look fine tho. YouTube needs google service framework to work and I can't get it working correctly. I'm an novice when it comes to identifying logcat error.)

If you guys haven't noticed, this forum is pretty dead or very low discussion about games and other development, but at http://ouyaforum.com/forum.php , there are some pretty amazing games people are making and much more discussion about the console. I think XDA won't play an factor until we can secure an safe flash recovery(soonish) and we need kernel source to be able to make more customized ROMS.
[Ouya General] rushless:
IMO, I think the Ouya will be a commercial failure and also be challenged to generate revenue in their market model. To most people, one market is enough, and will not want apps that work on just one device.

For tinkerers and similar types it will be a hit, but not enough to keep it going as intended. JMO.
[Ouya General] sonofskywalker3:
This question is simply not answerable yet. The hardware has potential to be amazing, but it's the software that is holding it back. I know Ouya isn't making much money off the hardware, so they are going to be relying on their cut of the software revenue to remain profitable. They have made the console open, so with some developer interest theres a lot of things it will be able to do. But no matter how great the hacks for it will ever be, it's still not a selling point for 95% of consumers. If Ouya gets more software, official versions of 5 star games, video streaming apps, and social networking platforms, it is priced to beat out Google TV and Apple TV both, and would be a fantastic buy for, say, grandparents who want something for their grandkids to play when they come visit, but don't want to drop $250 on a Wii U, and then still buy games at $50 a piece.

Until closer to/after launch I doubt we'll see much in the way of software library improvements, but I do think that very soon we will be able to sideload a working version of most apps, so if you're a hacker, this is a magic box, if you're a standard consumer... well, for now save your money.
[Ouya General] jack_slapped:
I don't have one but want to get one. It would be a great multi media center and retro gaming machine. I feel that if it turns out to be a functional/affordable media center it could definitely become very marketable.