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[General Topics] 777jon:
Apple is now a monopoly. This company could not handle the competition and had to do something about it, and won. Apple definitely should not be able to have certain patents. For example, Apple has a patent for a rectangle. Unbelievable.
[General Topics] WorkMan223:
You're not wrong, but I think theres more to the design then a simple rectangle shape. Its gonna take more time and lawsuits before the line is clearly drawn to tell how much "copying" is too much. Obviously here, the jury felt Samsung went too far. We will see how this all plays out in a few years. This is regards to the design issue of the smartphone.

Another issue is the software patent, which I DO NOT agree with. Apple has some bogus software patents (imo ofc). Ofc, I also disagree with the whole idea of software patents (cpyright protection should be enough already).
[General Topics] redgrass83:
And exactly what shape would you design a working cell phone? The shape is just convenient for use. Don't think round or triangular handhelds would be too easy to hold or use. That's just plain dumb. Guess samsung shoulda put some finger grips in it and woulda saved a bill or two.
[General Topics] WorkMan223:
the F700 was a feature phone and it also has a slide out keypad. It didnt even run Android. Its not as cut and dry as you would make it seem.

Obviously the Judge heard all arguments from both sides before making the decision. If you if you are better equipped to argue the case or you have some imformation that Apple and Samsung's lawyers don't have or if you are more proficient at the law then Judge Koh, then you are welcome to contact Samsung to offer your services.
[General Topics] thebobp:
And that is why Apple now has a monopoly on pinch-to-zoom. Because fashion, right.
[General Topics] hungry81:
IMO a big reason for Apples success is gullible fanbois who believe that apple invented everything, and refuse to listen whenever they are reminded that Apples founder BOASTED about stealing. Hypocrites.

Also speaking of hypocrites I don't suppose you use a fridge, or a car or shoes or tv dinners or anything else with competing products that look similar.

From a distance I could see someone getting the SII tempoarily confused with the 3gs, but then again its hard to tell many dishwashes, coffee machines or appliances apart from a distance, and the fact you were still confused after going up and holding one? you sound like you were one of those people who called every vacuum cleaner a Hoover in te 1980s, Its clear you didn't know very much about iphones, Android phones or smartphones in general, and ignorance is not anyone elses fault but your own.

your second paragraph is pure fanboi drivel and it seems to drive you wild that you can't accuse them of copying with a phone that is just as or more successful than previous versions.
[General Topics] WorkMan223:
Did you read my post? Copying the look and feel of another product is more then just making a rectangle. As I stated, there is no problem with HTC or Moto phones here, just with Samsung. Obviously its not the that simple as just being sued for being a rectangle.
[General Topics] keithross39:
LMAO....just remembered reading somewhere that Apple were trying to patent the cardboard packaging that their i(diot)Phones came in.......

W..T..F........it's a CARDBOARD BOX.........WHO CARES?.....

What's Samsung supposed to do? Send their phones out in a plastic blister pack?....or wrapped in cling film?......how pathetic can one company get?......

I suppose only time and Apple will tell.....lol
[General Topics] thebobp:
And yet Apple has also sued them, and has just been awarded for patents (like pinch-to-zoom) that can be used against practically any smartphone.

Head out of the ground, please.
[General Topics] gilbydakid:
You got me. Because 25hrs is more than enough time to plead your case.
[General Topics] WorkMan223:
Again, I was refering to the DESIGN PATENTS only. I also think the software patents are BS. Please read the other posts.
[General Topics] thebobp:
And yet you were also talking about the entire case. Quoth, "Obviously the Jury agreeds with me WHICH IS WHY THEY AWARDED APPLE THE CASE."
[General Topics] orb3000:
Closing

Please continue discussion here
[General Topics] lokenok:
Sony should really sue apple.............
[General Topics] paintball23456:
great.........you are ACTUALLY SUUPORTING THIS B.S
[General Topics] quanqiang:
So, I am just passing through to look at
[General Topics] WordsworthESP:
What's kinda scary is with the pre-trial ban of Galaxy sales (albeit temporary) Apple already has a win in their corner. Even if I were an iPhone owner, I wouldn't support Apple in this case, because competition only furthers the technology.

So is it a conflict of issue if the presiding judge owns an iPhone? :P

«Sent from my Inspire 4G w/Redemption ICS»
[General Topics] mouzaihem:
Does the fact that they own the patents make it so they are "not scared"? They wouldn't put so much effort and time in these courts worldwide if they didn't fear that the competition is actually producing good high end devices. I feel like Apple felt their iPhone was generations ahead of the time when released that it led to them remaining stagnant in their modeling of further generation devices, not realizing other companies would catch up (like they always do in the technological world).

Will Apple fade away in five years? No, not at all: the brand Apple has become a household name and could continue to sell their albiet good (and good looking) device solely on their name and fan base. The same way in which Android exploded due to the fact that it originated by Google. Whether you want an outdated pretty looking device (again albeit a good device) or the most technologically advanced device is your opinion (current high end Android devices).

People who know me as a technology geek often ask me what phone they should get, and my answer is always this: if you want a simple everyday calling and texting with some web browsing type phone: get the iPhone. If you are a heavy user (videos, high end games, often using multiple apps at one time, etc etc) get an android device. I believe, at least in my opinion, that is now the two devices will always differ. And remember, the general population doesn't care for what is happening in the courts, if they want the iPhone they will get it regardless. I don't see them losing much customers from the whole ordeal.
[General Topics] mistermentality:
No you're right that owning the patents doesn't mean they are not scared, but they have less reason than anyone to be worried now they have such wide ranging patents, huge financial resources and lawyers that win more often than they lose.

The court cases started because Jobs hated android but seem to continue because apple see an easy way to get rid of competition.

Without Jobs apple seem to have run out of ideas and fallen back on suing people to keep themselves in the game so to speak.

If they turn out to have been a one man company then they could struggle to get by for another five years but perhaps they realise that they are stagnating and the increased court cases are to try and knock out their competition in order to make their own shortcomings less of a problem?

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] averygagaanroid:
Apple is wrong for being a patent troll.

At the same time I'm happy when they sue Samsung.
[General Topics] mistermentality:
I'm guessing you don't like Samsung?

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] vuhoangpro1:
Apple updates new little life, but still very good use, I think apple will win
[General Topics] kwiggington:
At this rate i wonder if they will return to the slump they where in during the 90's

Sent from the Apple store using my Gs2
[General Topics] _Variable:
Lmfaoooooo
[General Topics] mouzaihem:
Indeed that is the case. +1
[General Topics] MissionImprobable:
All I know is that Apple's new commercials are pure idiocy. Something is rotten in the state of Cupertino.
[General Topics] pee41:
This is my opinion, this is why i said apple are really scared.
[General Topics] Amrut223:
So sick of hearing about Apple and there patent war against everyone. I wish they would get put in there place by this Judge. However since it seems shes bias (at least in my opinion) that won't happen.
[General Topics] galaxys:
Go Samsung! Never did like Apple sauce!
[General Topics] duleim:
this. +1
[General Topics] Panzerapple:
Apple iPhone has peaked in popularity there have been many articles supporting this. Europe has declining iPhone ownership China is still dominated by Android. They sold roughly ten million less iphone's in the second quarter. And the excuse is everyone is waiting for the iPhone 5. Well everyone knew the S3 was coming early summer and Samsung sold more smartphone's in the 1st quarter then any previous quarter. I believe it was 43 million phones with some of them in different ecosystems. Apple is scared ios6 is finally getting some features we had back in froyo. The iPhone 5 will have a bigger screen, nfc, lte, things android has had for awhile. Take a look at there stock last time I checked it was down 80 dollars from the peak earlier this year. So call it what you want apple is weaker then it was a few months ago.
[General Topics] _Variable:
I think Apple should win this, Before the iPhone was officially shipped, Cupertino already warned others that they will defend their Intellectual Property.
[General Topics] Deggy:
I'm still not worried if Apple wins. As long there's fighting, other smart phones are ok. There's always gonna be fighting.
[General Topics] tny2012:
Apple will lost to Samsung

No matter lawsuits, in long run,

Apple will lost this battle vs. Google because of better Google's strategic:

- Open source OS.

- Open Market (Google Play).

- Alternative markets.

- Promotion of the Android OS in cooperation with all leading phone manufacturers.

- Integration with all Google services.

- Involving developers.

- Rich buket of devices to choose from.

Apple is attacking Samsung just like a few years ago it was attacking HTC.

They just trying to slow down the Biggest Android oriented manufacturer.

It will not help them.
[General Topics] unnamed89:
I think so too. Sooner or later Apple will lose.
[General Topics] jazzytofu:
Yup. At the end, the users will choose what suit them. I like to tweak stuff so I'm not going back to iPhone anytime soon :cowboy:
[General Topics] mistermentality:
That's the point of apples lawsuits, to take away the best alternative to ios so then you would only have wp8 and bb10 etc so if they got too dominant apple would go after them too.

Don't get me wrong, until apple assert their ui patents (if they do) android isn't going anywhere but we have already seen some features of android begin to be changed just on the basis of the most recent court case and they won't be the last.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] MissionImprobable:
I'm just completely unsure where Congress is on this. Microsoft gets hit as a result of anti-trust laws, yet Apple who dumps their money overseas rather than paying taxes here gets to skate by with this insanity. I don't expect them being taken to task in the same way, but how they can be allowed to continue with this foolishness is beyond me.
[General Topics] Cryptopone:
In the end the users lose out the most. Getting companies tied up in legal issues, and checking for sometimes ridiculous patents is just stifling creativity and innovation.
[General Topics] thebobp:
Yes - now all that remains to hope that the jury realizes the same. Unfortunately, it's much easier to regress into blind fanboyism and "SOMG THEY'RE STEALING, WHICH IS RONG" than to actually reason about this.
[General Topics] cascabel:
If Samsung's actually stealing, it would make sense. I only hope the jury does their duty and look at things objectively. As a consumer, i'd love to see those companies have a healthy competition instead of all these legal stuff. Innovate instead if suing competition. Improved products instead of legal battles. But i'm being too idealistic.
[General Topics] thebobp:
Unfortunately, the US culture of draconian copyright enforcement and of media comapnies' propaganda campaigns ("you wouldn't steal a CAR") have led to theft being conflated into areas that don't even make sense.

Thus, when Apple accuses Samsung of "stealing" features, the unthinking public believe them, not even realizing that the patent system was supposed to encourage copying of features in the first place.
[General Topics] nyamoV2:
Bigger question is why does apple not want the sales figures to be released....

A. Show how much profit they make per product sale

B. Sales are growing hard to show damages

C. Not reporting true sales numbers

D. All of the above

Kinda shady if you ask me. Gonna have to wait on the all powerful Koh to make a ruling in this
[General Topics] Itadakiimasu:
I'd give Apple 5 years at best to die off like what Nokia did they are struggling.
[General Topics] Terd Ferguson:
I dub thee sir farts alot
[General Topics] bleach168:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/3/3217057/day-two-testimony-apple-samsung-trial

So even Apple thinks its customers are stupid.
[General Topics] Zebender:
That was the impression I got as well. I'm just about out of respect for apple at this point, used to be I just didn't personally like the products they made but now I actively dislike them to the point I want to see them fail at everything they do.
[General Topics] MissionImprobable:
All I know is that Samsung's lawyers better have Job's comments about "great artists steal" as his mantra and "going thermonuclear" on Android as his byline as part of closing arguments or they aren't worth their salt.
[General Topics] mistermentality:
Didn't koh dismiss those as being damaging to apple last week?

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] nineballer:
What constitutes stealing in technology world? As long as a company doesn't produce fake products which pretend to be made by another company, I can't see much wrong with incorporating new technologies in your design. Sure, some companies (Apple not among them) might do more research than others, and that will pay off for them by having the première on everything.

Didn't she dismiss ALL evidence that could make Apple look bad? :p I followed the case on the live blogs here and it seemed that Koh got angry at Samsung lawyers at least once every single hour. If she's not bought, I can't understand how she ever got to be a judge in the first place. The Apple testimonies are also absolutely ridiculous. They claim the iPhone to be the first touch-screen phone (????) and the first smart phone.
[General Topics] avgjoegeek:
Meh. Apple is replaced by Sammy and Sammy will be replaced by something new and shiny eventually just the way the tech world works.

But these lawsuits will dictate how future devices are brought about. If we aren't careful we could get stuck with feature less devices if Apple wins.
[General Topics] with33:
I knew once jobs was gone apple would start to die....

I did not think they would try and bring the rest of us with them though.
[General Topics] GiantWaffle:
You know what I thought was really funny about all of this, is that the biggest bragging right the Apple has is its display. Then I read an article and found out that it's Samsung that makes Apple's display for them. :)

Btw, Samsung is working on one that is very close in res and bits to the Apple display. What I don't understand, is why hold back? Beat it! :)

Of course, it's probably something in the contract, that says they can't outdo it or something. Smart for Apple, not so good for Samsung. :)
[General Topics] carleeto:
The very fact that Apple is fighting people in courts now means that their bag of tricks is close to empty. I've always said - its pure statistics. There is a higher chance that someone in the 40 company Android alliance will dream up and implement the next killer feature.
[General Topics] agrsk8r:
Now that's funny! :highfive:
[General Topics] lqaddict:
For the next iPhone the supplier is Sharp, however, it's not uncommon to see other companies components used in rival products. Samsung is an electronics company who can produce its own components and sign a supplier contract directly with Apple to design the processor powering iPhone and iPad. Both companies are in business to make money, one is driven by innovative technologies another by absolutely ridiculous profit margin on their products.
[General Topics] dccrens:
Software should be free.
[General Topics] martybg:
So right!!!!!!!

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Of us for example I don't give a **** if some idiot gave them the patents, I care about what I like I don't give a shi*

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**** you
[General Topics] LoopDoGG79:
F700, google it, and tell me if you still believe that.

Sent from the pink Unicorn from the Darkside. :D
[General Topics] DD-Ripper:
This is pure evidence ! :eek:

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[General Topics] dg10mcdos:
they cant patent human interaction can they?!?!?!? i wonder how many judges who gave apple patents got a nice shiny new house from them after it
[General Topics] mistermentality:
Unfortunately they can, and have, patented touch screen and voice interaction with mobile devices.

But they can't patent how humans interact with each other.

Yet. Lol

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] Dios2727:
apple=devil
[General Topics] gilbydakid:
so what happens if samsung loses this case???
[General Topics] mistermentality:
They pay a few billion dollars to apple.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] luisfpg:
I really wish apple could vanish, but as long as there are people thinking they are superior because of the apple sticker on their cars, I'm afraid there will be around...
[General Topics] gilbydakid:
I should've been more specific, sorry. I know about 2.5 billion.

I meant, will any phones besides the nexus be banned?
[General Topics] mistermentality:
No, the suit is about money but if found to infringe patents then future samsung products would need redesigning to avoid further patent infringement.

As part of apples patents include the use of a flat rectangular front with rounded corners, and certain colours for the use of on screen elements like icons (the use of the colours blue, black, green, grey, tan etc are some of those specifically patented as part of their trade dress).

They may also have to stop using rectangular boxes with two tiers as apple have stated in court this is part of their look that has been copied even though they haven't patented using a box.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] MissionImprobable:
Theoretically they could get injunctions on literally every other smartphone on the market with the broad stroke of patents that are at stake here. Knowing that, it's surprising that wireless carriers aren't weighing in on this. Sales would be affected--to put it mildly--if they were unable to sell anything besides the iPhone. That may be an extreme scenario, but it is a possible one however unlikely.
[General Topics] Reza.Revenger:
Soon or Late

samsung wins
[General Topics] MilkyJoePD:
Let Apple have old features that they copied while Android innovates. Hopefully other companies (mainly Google) are just waiting for Apple to lay down some precedents then BAMM! Apple gets sued to high buggery.
[General Topics] cpie20:
Shut ok Apple is the best, they make the best phones and tablets and MP3 players!!

Sent from my iPhone 4s
[General Topics] MilkyJoePD:
Yeah, OK.

No, wait... NO!
[General Topics] :
Fan boy alert! Likes his technology old, stolen and “oh so Cupertino"

~~~ Sent from my Galaxy S3 using technology that Apple will try to copy..in three years~~~
[General Topics] cpie20:
I like my technology like I like your mom, old.
[General Topics] mistermentality:
And the moon is made of cheese :p

But seriously, apple make the best phones? You mean phone, not phones, surely?

And no if you're basing that belief on phone features, price and technical specifications then no apple don't make the best phones.

But if that's how you feel it's your perogative, you may want to stop telling others to shut up contradicting you though as opinions are subjective and trying to shut up those you disagree with will only imply you don't think your opinion can stand criticism and therefore undermines your case.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] cpie20:
Chill bro you didn't have write a whole essay. :p I was just kidding I dont even like apple. I'm a bad troll. Lol
[General Topics] mistermentality:
Actually I think he's employing humour.

Edit: damn, he beat me to it.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )

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I am chilled, just thought you were serious (until I saw your post about liking old mums) and replied accordingly.

I did figure it out but then saw your reply afterward lol

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] :
I know, he's an Android lover like us. I was joking around too.

~~~Sent from my Enviro-friendly device, fueled by Steve Jobs' ashes~~~
[General Topics] cpie20:
High five!
[General Topics] Ren7on:
I'm so tired of reading about this. When will it end?
[General Topics] Maustin96:
Only thing I like about Apple phones is their design (especially the 4 and 4S) and the way they fit your hand perfectly! Or my hand atleast....
[General Topics] thedrcarl:
It's a disgusting abuse of the court system when you spend millions trying to take ownership of a green square with rounded corners.

I for one can't wait until raspberry pi style tech and android can be fused together with my 3d printer and I'll make my own freakin' phone.

Of course then I'll patent the phone I create with its unique positioning of mic and speaker in front of mouth and ear and sue anyone that looks at it. It's just the done thing. :p
[General Topics] mistermentality:
Lol actually having a front speaker is one of the things apple already patented and are accusing samsung of copying....so you'd be infringing on their patent :p

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] crashck:
I think Apple has enjoyed so much success that they are becoming rotten. :p
[General Topics] IsaacNewton:
Try to look at the big picture here. Cringely(dot)com writes that Apple is using these lawsuits to disrupt the sales of Samsung. And I agree. Samsung is getting bigger and in sales they are a formidable opponent to Apple. Luckiliy for Apple Samsung doesn have an ecosystem like iCloud, so Samsung is still behind, but someday they won't. Just to be sure that Samsung has a smaller userbase when Samsung releases its own iCloud service Apple disrupts the sales of Samsung phones.

Yes, it is below the belt, but luckily for Apple(and all the other companies that are fighting) the patent system supports these fights.
[General Topics] iAnoop:
I have quick question to apple user:

how many of them use google products?? like gmail, youtube, search, chrome , (Google now like app just arrived which tested to be better than siri)...

Now what apple fanboy are fan of apple ... only apple logo:victory::victory:
[General Topics] xzyl08:
GoodBye Apple

Samsung will win
[General Topics] MissionImprobable:
Samsung actually does have a cloud service that they're rolling out, but it's not free so I'm not sure what that's all about.:p