yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Rezound] kkozma:
Well it's really simple. Are we waiting because we need the drivers & bt stack in the kernel or is there something else in the kernel to make it work with the CM drivers & stack? No need to be dickish about it at all.

For a phone marketed on it's audio capabilites, it's completely inexcusable for HTC to have punted on BT audio and stick us with the same crappy BT setup as all their other phones that sound like garbage when streaming audio over bluetooth.

@Snuzzo: I'm not asking for an ETA. I'm asking for the particulars of why BT doesn't work.
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
Your attitude about "what's the hangup" is what bugged me given all the progress made recently to even get AOSP at all. If it isn't developing quick enough, then nobody is stopping you from fixing it yourself.
[HTC Rezound] ufish2:
System dump :)
[HTC Rezound] BDP33:
I didn't sense an attitude . Maybe you need to take a chill pill. Are you a developer's thread bouncer or something?

I'm also curious about the Bluetooth audio as well. I think it's a valid question to understand what to expect from Bluetooth.

Also I don't see where he asked for an eta either. Chill people.
[HTC Rezound] Snuzzo:
@kkozma

Then I stand corrected and apologize to you. I must have misread in context. I'm sorry.
[HTC Rezound] kkozma:
I don't understand why you guys seem to think I'm asking for an ETA or am questioning the development speed. Holy crap. I just want to know what it is exactly keeping BT from working. There's no when associated with my question or even one implied.

I've been around here for quite a while and I only have 50ish posts and I actually try to search for an answer before I ask. All that's ever been mentioned about bluetooth is that we need kernel source.

It's not like I'm so crybaby whiner waiting for my handout here. I know it'll get here when it gets here. SHEESH
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
My bad then, I think context was missed as I took it as what's the hold up/hang up like "why isn't this fixed yet". My apologies on the misunderstanding.

---------- Post added at 10:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:39 AM ----------

That would be "Mr. Internet Policeman" to you pal. :P
[HTC Rezound] kkozma:
Thank you to you and Snuzzo.
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
2 months ago: minor misunderstanding leads to massive flame war, threads closed, and warnings/bans

Now: everyone is :D

Sent from my ADR6425LVW
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
Yeah, difference is that I'm willing/man enough to admit when I'm mistaken. ;)
[HTC Rezound] nolimit78:
I think this is the problem with most posters. Realizing that sarcasm doesn't translate very well via postings and a lack of willingness to apologize for being in the wrong. Good on everyone for being very cordial once everything was understood.
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Sooo...... AOSP?
[HTC Rezound] A2Aegis:
CM10?
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
Well, I think we still have time before use of the ics source in aosp....
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Yep. I'm sure it won't be for a while.
[HTC Rezound] TXI Kaze:
It's still great, though. Doesn't surprise me source dropped -- it dropped for the 3D yesterday.
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
Whoa how'd you get your username green and italicized?
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
It's a RC thing ;) we are cool lmao.
[HTC Rezound] AshtonTS:
Because He's an RC

Edit: dammit ninja'd
[HTC Rezound] TXI Kaze:
Wait, yeah. How? I noticed it was green, but I didn't notice the italic font.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
It bc I'm an awesome person. Jk I'm an RC and pg101 got us colored names. RT's got a blue name :)
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
But I'm a RD...
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
I think you guys are getting them too. Idk check the secret RD forum, if there is one. There's one for RC's
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
Nothing there :( just free Devhost premium accounts and CASUAL development progress
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
Ahh ours has some fun thread, dev host accounts, some guides, some projects. They also have mod/admin requests, where the idea for colors started.
[HTC Rezound] SteveG12543:
You jelly :D lol jk. :beer:
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
RC's UNITE! lmao
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Steve has a green one. :(

Oh, off-topic.
[HTC Rezound] Jfichtner:
So no one ever really addressed this question. I've had problems with bluetooth ever since I moved to the first ICS leak around April. Every time a new leak came out I crossed my fingers that they had fixed the issues, but that never happened. Not with any of the several leaks, nor the OTA, nor the global firmware.

My particular problem is with the initial connection to the streaming audio in my car ('09 Acura TL). It actually connects fine to my Motorola S9 HD headphones. But in my car I have to cycle bluetooth off and on a couple of times before it finally connects. I've always been able to get it to connect in the end, but it's a PITA.

If CM replaces the stack, I assume these problems will go away. Does anyone know if this is on anyone's todo list?

Thanks in advance!
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
It might be, but it also might not be the highest priority.
[HTC Rezound] jdm2008315:
For those using the latest build ASOP ROMS in general do they get better battery life than factory stock? What about sense 4 roms? If you want a specific ROM then NILS Business Sense 4.0, or whatever anyone else has used.
[HTC Rezound] rabidpencil:
Personally, I'm not getting as good life as I got stock (gb), and it's slightly better than sense 4. I imagine it'll get better with time, but it's adequate for me. I'm running the latest cm9.
[HTC Rezound] theascended:
Yay for necromancy. This certainly doesn't deserve a topic on its own.

I'm very curious to know if any progress has been made on solving the bluetooth headset/car mode problems. I saw some requests for logs from a sense ICS ROM (and I'm just assuming that was to look into this issues) but never saw any follow ups.

Thanks to anyone who has any info.
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Nobody is really working on it.

Chad seems to have fallen off the face of the earth...
[HTC Rezound] RoryHe:
chad :( where'd you go - busy with dentist stuff then probs?

anyways can anyone explain to me why aokp has generally been more buggy than cm for us?
[HTC Rezound] DontPushButtons:
More features = higher risk of bugs. Also, I believe AOKP is no longer officially supporting ICS, which means it's up to our devs to maintain a clean base on their own.

I could be way off..
[HTC Rezound] AshtonTS:
Or just use Cyanogenmod. It's better anyway :highfive::good:
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
I see someone wants to start a cm vs aokp flame war.

:screwy:

Sent from my HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] apophis9283:
Not a war to be started, aokp abandoned ics. On top of all that they took down all ics code. Atleast with cm9 we can merge commits and every once in a great while someone still submits code for ics. As far as stability cm9 has been shown to be more stable. Not opinion, its a statistical fact.
[HTC Rezound] Evocm7:
I would even dump 4g for awhile just to get away from sense. I love sense but I just like changing it up
[HTC Rezound] piizzadude:
Every time I switch phones, a week later CM or asop or something like that comes out. I was *thinking* of switching off the ReZ ...until now. I am gonna have to stick it out!

Thanks Chad!
[HTC Rezound] PhantasmRezound:
Chad, please PM me. I clicked the "Donate to Me" button on your profile, but there isn't an option to give you my first born son and half of all my monies for life. Need to make proper arrangements for your invaluable efforts.

Seriously, terrific job and a sincere thank you. :)
[HTC Rezound] funnyangrykid:
so wait.. does this mean the RIL has almost been fully cracked/solved? ughhhuhhh jizz..inn myPaaantz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY&feature=player_detailpage#t=28s
[HTC Rezound] Superm@π:
Sorry, that one was my fault this time. Sorry.

Sent from my upgraded, ICS'ed, rooted, S-offed, viper rommed, desensed, themed, supercharged, customized toy.
[HTC Rezound] Superm@π:
What about wife, car, and house?........kidneys, my youth, ect.......

Sent from my upgraded, ICS'ed, rooted, S-offed, viper rommed, desensed, themed, supercharged, customized toy.
[HTC Rezound] funnyangrykid:
are you CRAZYY?? he cant give away his HOUSE! dont be ridiculous.
[HTC Rezound] cslingerland:
So once ics kernel comes out.. AOSP will be a little better than what it will be with the modded gb kernel?
[HTC Rezound] an-dru:
Ahhh! Awesome news to wake up to! Chad is da man!
[HTC Rezound] Divine_Madcat:
Truthfully, you will probably notice almost no difference (but i welcome any input from a kernel dev). The Touchpad runs amazingly well on ICS with a .35 kernel (also a S3 CPU and GPU).. i wouldn't fret too much.

Bringing it back.. nice to be able to point out to people that the RIL was not kernel dependent.. ;)
[HTC Rezound] localceleb:
My mother always told me "Good things come to those who wait."
[HTC Rezound] funnyangrykid:
WELL I'LL TELL YA WHAT YOUR MOTHER IS,,, shes an awesome and smart woman.
[HTC Rezound] apophis9283:
Amazing.

sent from my S-OFF, INCREDIBLE, faster than a THUNDERBOLT, REZOUND!
[HTC Rezound] XRaptor29:
You rock!!! Can't wait to run it. :)
[HTC Rezound] mrdump:
So excited! Thank you!
[HTC Rezound] Reaper0294:
Absolutely incredible. Thanks so much Chad!

I would also love to throw some money your way for beer or whatever you want. Just going to have to figure out everything with my paypal account first.

Edit: Sent!
[HTC Rezound] WeThePeople13:
I think everyone just got a little more happy.
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
More than a little.
[HTC Rezound] Divine_Madcat:
I think i peed myself a bit. :P
[HTC Rezound] jclendineng:
Chad you're awesome.
[HTC Rezound] AshtonTS:
This is a discussion thread. I'm stating my side of the discussion. If someone wants to start a flame war, that's not my problem ;)
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
Not sure if playing along...

Or doesn't know he's supposed to be playing along. :eek:

Sent from my HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] theascended:
Thats sad... for me anyway. I use my hands free in my car too much to not have it. I'm still on RezRom :/
[HTC Rezound] RoryHe:
i was just asking why didn't want to start anything, but from my experience the cm roms and aokp ones the aokp ones would have little minute issues that the cm roms didn't have.

Oh well just be glad we have options and stop flaming! xD

edit: i was also unaware aokp pulled their stuff ... that's a shame :(
[HTC Rezound] Divine_Madcat:
Frankly, I am more curious about where CM 10 is... I wish half of these cm9 people would stop wasting their time on the, and move to jb...
[HTC Rezound] chad0989:
I've just been busy with other stuff.
[HTC Rezound] chad0989:
Nothing is preventing you from setting up a build environment and giving it a go yourself.
[HTC Rezound] apophis9283:
So go for it. Start doing it yourself if your so curious.
[HTC Rezound] Divine_Madcat:
I have, both for this and my nook (though I managed to mess up my environment the other day... That will teach me to mess with things.. lol).. as it is though, I don't have fun free time (i program for a living, C#, making it hard to get the urge to program at night as well..)..

Yes, I know.. all excuses. Let me put it this way.. for those who are out there actively working on it, why is so much dev time being spent on ice? Did something about jb (again, I really haven't messed with it...) make it that much more difficult for our phones?

BTW, I am sorry if I am coming off as one of those guys.. Without the amazing volunteer work we have from every one, I know we are really up a creek. Just kind of a bummer seeing everything else getting jb love.. :P
[HTC Rezound] apophis9283:
Im not sure, ive heard ril needed fixing, ive heard ramdisk needs adjusting. Im no chad so its beyond me.
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
Definition of jellypocalypse:

Everyone is jelly for jelly bean

Sent from my HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] theascended:
Gonna try to redirect this back to pleasant conversion :)

Indeed. I've been busy with other stuff for 3 years. I tried to get into ROM dev but my professional life doesn't give me enough time. I hope you'll find the time to work on the bluetooth issue (or that anyone with the knowledge to do so will, really). The tremendous work that has been done is great, I just do long drives so often I can't be without my hands free.
[HTC Rezound] shrike1978:
What would be helpful for any of us that are looking at the issue (several of us have been poking it with a stick to no avail), is if you run across another device with the same BT chipset with working BT calling in AOSP, post the information. No guarantees it will work or even help, but just seeing it may give someone some clues. Right now, everyone has pretty much hit a brick wall with it.
[HTC Rezound] butcherbird:
Is most of ROM dev done by writing code? Or, is there more to it?

What language do you need to code in?

Just curious. Thanks.
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Matters. There are different levels of developing.

Easy level: adding and deleting apks

Next level: theming the system

Next level: XML edits (this is where I am)

Next level: creating things such as the leandroid tweaks app.

Boss level: total system control, like custom kernels (Chad)
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
I know there is java and smali.

Sent from my HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] shrike1978:
The Java is mostly in the userspace. It's mostly C and C++ in the device and kernel level if you want to go that deep. There's even some assembly at the really low levels, but you shouldn't really have to go that deep, even doing kernel dev.
[HTC Rezound] theascended:
Doing my best to keep out of the dev thread.

Just want to offer my plea to not completely drop CM9 development. Until the bluetooth calling issue is fixed, CM9/10 can't be a daily driver for me. Based on my knowledge of the linux kernels involved and the relative changes from ICS to JB, most of what is learned and fixed in ICS should apply to JB as well so its not lost effort.
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
We aren't dropping it, just more focus is directed towards JB.
[HTC Rezound] antp121:
^that just, I think our efforts should be shifted towards Jellybean, just not to drop ics completely.
[HTC Rezound] A2Aegis:
Has anyone tried the new 4.2 keyboard and clock? http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...pulled-from-system-dump-and-ported-to-4-04-1/
[HTC Rezound] scy1192:
clock doesn't open ("force closes"), haven't tried the keyboard because I'm just fine with SwiftKey 3
[HTC Rezound] SteveG12543:
I believe the clock only works on JB. The keyboard is alright I guess. I prefer Swype personally.
[HTC Rezound] brenuga:
How can u tell what a device's blue tooth chipset is and what is it for the Rezound? I am a bit of a Google guru so I can help hunt for information.
[HTC Rezound] localceleb:
Lol google could probably help answer that
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
Lmao. That's comedy..
[HTC Rezound] jon7701:
I wonder if were gonna get a beta rom of JB? kinda like ics when people would make AOSP roms despite them having many issues, even though they knew it wasnt a daily driver.
[HTC Rezound] shrike1978:
Eventually. It doesn't even boot yet, so it'll be a while.
[HTC Rezound] A2Aegis:
This was posted a few hours ago by Chad in the JB development thread.
[HTC Rezound] jon7701:
Yea, thats why i was asking because i saw that chad actually has quite a few things working so far. :victory:
[HTC Rezound] oakley470:
Hopefully chad gets something up and running, i'm excited!
[HTC Rezound] jon7701:
Agreed, we might be seeing jelly beans floating around in our device in the near future. :cool:
[HTC Rezound] :
I'm glad most of the aosp discussion is going on in here, unlike those last 3 people who posted in the dev section. Dont people understand that the more spam in the dev section, the longer it takes the devs to read REAL problems which equates to taking LONGER crushing bugs.....
[HTC Rezound] jon7701:
I just posted in there to tell them to not post non development related posts in there.
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
I wouldn't say that it would take longer for the devs.

But it is annoying for people following the thread for progress updates.

Sent from my HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] :
Takes longer because the devs have to sit there and read through all those garbage posts. Over time it adds up.
[HTC Rezound] pwned3:
I'm so glad Chad got the rezound. Without him we might not even have data yet. Much less daily drivers.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2
[HTC Rezound] jon7701:
Yea im glad hes a dev for the rezound. Hes done so much already and hes still doing more for us. :victory:
[HTC Rezound] scy1192:
I don't think you realize the hypocrisy in that.
[HTC Rezound] GetRipped:
It needed to be said. And it was said well I might add. People need to stop posting in the development section thanking the devs
[HTC Rezound] scy1192:
why not let the mods deal with it instead of adding to the clutter?
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
If no one says something, then they would probably start doing it again right after a cleanup.

Then again, it would probably still happen in this case.

Sent from my HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] GetRipped:
There definitely needs to be more account restrictions. To keep people that shouldn't be posting in a dev thread and are too dense to realize it from ruining a perfectly good thread and getting my hopes up every time I check back here and see there's been a new reply only to find that its Chad worship and nothing productive
[HTC Rezound] Obaterista93:
I think people should be more mindful of their post count to thank ratio. Not saying beg for thanks, but if you have 400 posts and 10 thanks, you're doing something wrong. If you're going to post, it should be a bug report, suggestion, or helping someone else out. A little chit chat now and then is okay, but only if the dev says so (for example, neo is really chill about chatting). Beyond that, the thanks button is there for a reason. Don't waste a post for the sake of posting.
[HTC Rezound] trickster2369:
Just curious, what should the post/thanks ratio be?

And yes, I agree about the thread in question.
[HTC Rezound] Obaterista93:
There shouldn't be a defined number, but you should always be striving to help others.
[HTC Rezound] rabidpencil:
Most of my posts are asking for help... not gonna get a lot of thanks for that (just being devil's advocate here. I agree with not clogging the dev thread).
[HTC Rezound] Squirrel1620:
There's always gonna be those people who either don't listen to the rules or don't read them. Either way I'll just let the problem work itself out I'm sure if it becomes a huge problem, the devs will take action

Edit, now that I think of it this forum runs on vBulletin right? I remember a different forum where only people with a certain privilege could post in a thread, but anybody could view it.

I wish we could implement that to the Dev only threads
[HTC Rezound] Obaterista93:
But by asking, you learn things. Every question answered for you is a question that you can answer for someone else. Right in the xda rules it tells you not to be afraid to help others when you're new, because there will always be someone newer. When you see something you know, pop in and help out. :)
[HTC Rezound] Insidious:
After sifting through the jellybean progress thread it appears that Chad has gotten a lot of kinks worked out. I suspect that more awesomeness will ensue very soon!
[HTC Rezound] blestsol:
Have you seen all of the posts in the general or marketplace? And there's off topic stickies in almost every sub forum. That logic is flawed.
[HTC Rezound] scy1192:
I hate the thank system. It leads to thank-whoring: posting only to increment that little number under your name. It's really led to a lack of genuine helpful people here on XDA. I guess this is a rant for another thread though so I'll stop now.
[HTC Rezound] jon7701:
But the thank system also promotes some people to post useful and helpful things, so that they can raise that little number under their name.
[HTC Rezound] Obaterista93:
I was referring specifically to the development forum though. IMO you can post whatever you want in general or market.

I'm kinda for it, but for the right reasons. A million thank you posts does become cumbersome to sift through after a while, and it is a simply way to show gratitude to someone who helped you. I'm not saying that the number is everything, but posting in development without the intent of furthering progress or helping users shouldn't be done. I dunno, I guess it's just an efficiency thing to me? I just like helping people.
[HTC Rezound] shrike1978:
I just took a trip from Atlanta to San Antonio and back, and I made some headway into understanding the data drops. With the network mode set to LTE/CDMA/EvDo/GSM/WCDMA, I had no data problems while in a strong LTE area. However, when I moved into an area with no LTE, the data reliability went to crap. It dropped frequently...sometimes as frequently as every tower change. Between Houston and San Antonio, I switched to LTE/CDMA under mobile networks, which switches the radio into CDMA only mode. My data reliability was amazing from that point. I lost data once during the entire leg, it came back on it's own, and I wasn't the only one in the car that lost data, so I don't think it was the roms fault. I ran it LTE/CDMA on the entire trip home, and never got any unexplained data drops. It was as solid as any other phone in the car, and always came back on it's own when it did get a drop.

I'm not sure if that will help reveal anything that can help on the RIL level, but hopefully it will help someone having AOSP data drops.
[HTC Rezound] jon7701:
Now that chad put everything up for the other devs hopefully the bugs don't take too long to fix and there easy to fix. :)

Sent from my Adrenalized Rezound.
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
I'm debating whether to go s-on before I test my build.
[HTC Rezound] Phaded:
I might donate myself for testing... I'll test s-on and off
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
S-on.

Unless you don't mind bricking.

(make sure you don't brick when you s-on though)

Sent from my HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] jon7701:
I would test builds however me being s-off i really kinda dont want to risk getting a brick. If only it was about 2 weeks ago when i was still s-on. ;)
[HTC Rezound] MaulingDeOso:
Unless Chad saw need to change something odd I think you'll be OK. I'm also running S-OFF, and from the git logs nothing has really changed with the mounting, so your likelihood of bricking because of that is fairly slim.
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Alright. Sounds good.

But make sure that anyone who tests JB, back up your external SD. A few people have reported it being wiped in the installation.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
I got my build ready to test. I'm scared :P
[HTC Rezound] wlmeng11:
S-on if you want to be safe.

Someone should get a jtag kit to do s-off testing.

Sent from my HTC Rezound
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
Antp has courageously volunteered his Rezound to be the first s-off testing device. If it works for him then I will follow suit.

I am working on getting it built, will update you guys on what happens.

And, Chad rocks.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Well so far s-off is safe. Yes I'm s-off.
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
So just curious, but once this is good enough for a daily in AOSP, will that help at all with Sense JB?
[HTC Rezound] Argumentation:
I posted this in the dev thread, and I'll post it here, I can volunteer my Rezound for bug testing and S-OFF brick testing if any dev needs it. :good:
[HTC Rezound] badogg:
I have been considering resetting my security flag back to S-On because what chad said a while ago made a lot of sense. It isn't like it is that hard flash a boot image either with fastboot or via a PH98img. Basically if everyone was S-on, then there wouldn't need to be all this worry about bricking.
[HTC Rezound] bacon612:
So testers, is this cm10 choppy or are we dealing with job butter so far?
[HTC Rezound] GrayBoltWolf:
I'll give you an answer in 3 hours when the build is done. :D