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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] unknown1205:
i have to agree. sense is not bad, just not as smooth and fast as vanilla android. infact its quite slow so such amazing hardware. i check the forum a few times a day for a working version of cm9 or 10 only to be disapointed everytime.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edub186:
That may be true. I think I can recall seeing a article about that.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] kiewee3:
I'm running sense 4 on my 3d, and I have to say that sense 4 is amazing. If you want a change then go with a different phone. I'm not saying that sense doesn't have minor bugs, because it does. But if you're looking for a different look and feel then change it up a bit.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] AnonSVN:
But I like my Sense 4.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] michael.stollaire:
I love Sense, although I'm hoping Jelly Bean will make performance and stability improvements, of course. It does crash and restart for me, but rarely. It might be the ROM and apps you've loaded that are causing these issues, along with flashed mods, and so forth. Every time these things are done, increases the chances of destabilizing the platform. This is a part of the game that should be embraced.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edub186:
That's definitely not out the question. Once you've been loyal to a company since the HTC Mogul, then you may find it just a little bit harder to leave from a hardware standpoint. Like I said Sense isn't bad. It's just buggy and dated.

If Sense is the same during my next upgrade, I'm definitely jumping to another phone. Sad to say.

And yes thanks to this XDA I can change it up a bit. This site has a hand in what a lot of the consumers buy, believe it or not, just because of the hard work of these Devs do to bring longevity to our phones. They spoiled us.

My reasoning now is for the users who don't root. It's a struggle right now.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edub186:
Yeah, hopefully jelly bean iron some things out.

As far as the crashes, im pretty positive its sense. I have no widgets beside the sense clock and power setting widget. Everything else is minor apps that control some of nothing. My only questionable app is Facebook. That app is so horrible. It does too much and hogs data like crazy. I'm always, clearing my cache on that app. And I won't decide to root, until maybe October.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Cyrene:
I happen to love Sense and I am not rooted and never plan to. I like the iconic flip clock and believe it sets HTC apart from all the other androids out there. I do get bored with the "look" of my screens from time to time and change things up with Beautiful Widgets, themes, keyboards and the like. I wish the continuous scroll of the home screens remained (not the carousel) however. At least with Android these phones can be totally customized, which is why I could never be an iPhone user.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] KHoff:
I'd have to agree. I got the OG EVO on release day and absolutely loved it. Then came Gingerbread and all the sense reboots. I was hoping with this phone the sense reboots would go away, unfortunately I was wrong. It amazes me with the amount of RAM this phone has, that with very little apps installed, I only have about 200 MBs free. I ended up rooting and flashing CleanROM DE and love this EVO all over again. I just wish I wouldn't have had to root to avoid the HTC Sense reboots. I did try APEX Launcher for a bit, but noticed it would restart as well, though not quite as bad.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edub186:
I wish I wasn't scared to root as of now. I know there would probably be at least two more updates from HTC are gonna come and I'll wait until then. I was gonna try Apex but thanks for the heads up. I don't use widgets and my apps are all basic, that's why the reboots are kinda bothering me.

The best phone I've ever had or used nonetheless.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] LiquidSolstice:
I have yet to run into any problems with Sense at all. It's elegant, slimmer than before, and adds features that people from the Windows Mobile days would consider to be basic. (Hello? It's 2012, Google. Where the hell is my T9 dialing?)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SoraX64:
This. I haven't had any lockups or freezes yet, and Sense runs better than I've ever seen it run on a phone before. Everything is smooth and aesthetically pleasing.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edub186:
Are you guys with no problems, rooted?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SoraX64:
I was stock the entire time I had my first Evo LTE. That was for about a month and a half and I didn't have any problems. Got my new Evo yesterday (I had a radio issue that required a replacement) and rooted it because I had to start from scratch anyway. No issues rooted either.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] mazzmoney:
Actually HTC Sense this year looks nice IMO. I really like the way the dock looks. One thing i dont like is the locksceen, as i fee the stock one looks best. There are some thing i wish google would incorporate into the next OS. The way HTC handles adding things to your home screens is MUCH faster than stock aosp. In stock, you have to do it one by one, or at least slowly. On sense, you do it much faster and can even add multiple widgets. Also, if u run out of space sense automatically makes a new homescreen for you. I also like the quicksettings menu (even though HTC took it off i think).
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] tgrgrd00:
I haven't had one problem since I got the phone on launch day. With sense or anything else.

Love this device!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] arrogantbastard:
I like Sense 4.0 a lot; I believe it's the best UI skin out there as far as what comes from the manufacturers. I like the widgets and the unified look and functionality of everything. It's all very polished and professional.

The only problem I have with Sense is in the way it handles multitasking. I would love to be able to pause a game to answer a text or email, and come back to where I was without the game fully reloading. Or keep 2 or 3 browser tabs open without everything reloading when I come back to it from something else. Running Nova and using less widgets helps somewhat, but you lose all the "good stuff" about Sense when you go that route. So I'm patiently waiting for a good ROM that fully addresses the memory management issues while letting Sense run to it's full potential.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] eXplicit815:
I have absolutely no problems with my EVO 4G LTE. If you think Sense is the same thing it's always been, try going back and using a Sense 3 phone, like the EVO 3D. Then you'll see a difference. It's just the luster of a new product has worn off for most people. Really, most of the complaints are over petty stuff. In the end, it's a phone. It plays games well, but if you want something to do more, buy a PS3/XBOX. It plays great quality movies, but if you want something to do more, buy an HDTV. Web browsing is great on this device, but if it's still not your style, buy a laptop. Sure there's a convenience of having it all there, but really, it's time to stop being petty about the small things.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] snoopy1e11:
I wish Sense was like it was back in like the Droid Eris days where you could switch between Sense home and Android home by clearing defaults in manage applications then more would be satisfied
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fachadick:
Count me among the no problem sense guys. I've tried other launchers, and keep coming back to sense. I use three home screens, and only one widget, so that might explain why I've never run into any reloading issues.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] woody296:
I was running Newts sense 4.0 rom on my evo 3d it made that phone fantastic. With the evolte's better hardware I would think sense 4.0 would be even better. I think the issue is something else.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Meanee:
I like sense. Dialer is awesome. People is awesome. Interface is nice, clean, easy to use. If only it didn't kill multitasking, it would be a perfect hardware/software combo.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] energizer1389:
Not Disappointed but Non Excited

I have owned the OG Evo and Evo 3d.

So I got my Evo 4G LTE last week. Im not dissapointed but am unexcited. I had an Evo 3d with ICS and I don't feel like I got something a lot more exciting. Im thinking about bringing it back and getting a SGS III. I have been a fan of HTC phones for years but something in me wants to try something different. My wife has an Epic 4G . Not a big fan of touchwiz but am bored of Sense.

So the question is why should I not change this phone for a SGSIII?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edub186:
Exactly. Sense isn't horrible, like I've stated, it just has it's problems and it's getting outdated. I've had HTC smartphones for years ( HTC Mogul - Touch Pro, TP 2, and The OG EVO. Yes they change the cosmetic appearance slightly but that's it. What new features have they put into Sense that impressed you? I'm starting to think most of you guys that love Sense are coming from different phones.

Maybe it's me, but getting a phone that basically look and feel pretty much the same as another phone did before my daughter was even thought of, is kinda disappointing.

This is like Madden, get a few updates, but don't have that new factor. After a few days it's just like previous

Years of Madden to you. If this phone don't feel like EA Sports Madden football franchise to you, I take it you may be new to Sense or you're not into change.

And once again before I get told to buy a computer again. Sense is my problem not the phone itself. Once we get Jelly Bean or some nice stable rom I'll be satisfied.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] `Ghost`:
i truthfully like sense 3.6 better than 4. but yes im relatively new to HTC Sense, and i love it. touchwiz blows rectal and motorola application platform is a whole lot of nope.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] arrogantbastard:
You are correct - I'm coming from an LG Optimus, which was a low-end phone two years ago. I was running CM9 on it though, so I'm familiar with the stock ICS-look. So Sense 4.0 was something completely new and different for me, and I like it for the reasons I stated before.

I do get your point though on how someone coming from a previous version of Sense could become bored with it pretty quickly, especially since some of its functionality got nerfed (Quick-Settings, toggles, some of the widgets...) in the name of being lighter or "less bloated."

All that said though, I'm a tinkerer at heart and can't help running different ROMs and will probably settle on CM9/10 once it's ready for prime-time.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] surge89:
I have to agree somewhat with the OP. Sense 4 looks very dated. It lags a lot, too much for a phone coming out in 2012. The app drawer stutters each and every time I open it. I put the Apex launcher and haven't had any problems. Multi-tasking is very annoying but I've been too lazy to root my phone. So that's my fault.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Dan_:
Everyone saying you have no problems, sense please have my babies, blah blah, you're all multitasking with multiple apps and webpages and you have no problem with everything reloading when you go back and forth? Sense is a pos.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fachadick:
A person can say they like sense without saying "sense please have my babies" - get some perspective.

When I say that I have no problems with sense, I'm conveying my experience as an average user. There are hundreds of thousands of users that don't use the phone as heavily as you apparently do who are perfectly happy with sense 4. Sometimes I get a reload, and sometimes I don't. I still prefer the 4G LTE experience with sense 4, to any phone I've ever played around with (including cm and stock android).
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] `Ghost`:
To anyone bashing the phone, sesne, and its ''multi tasking'' issue, you had 14 days to send the phone back and exchange it. It was YOUR decision to keep it past the 14 days so your complaining on the issue is null and void. If you hate the multi tasking so bad, go to a plastic samsung phone. I hear those are all the rage. :good:
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SoraX64:
I've never had Sense reload on me, and often times an app has only closed when I've left it for quite a while without touching it.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] arrogantbastard:
That was quite unnecessary.

1. I kept the EVO precisely because I understand that the issues I have with it are in software, and can be fixed any number of ways (ROMing, waiting for HTC, etc.) The issues I have with the plastic-fantastic samsung cannot be fixed.

2. Complaining about it is not "null and void" because if we didn't, HTC would not know the extent to which they screwed it up and there would be no chance whatsoever for an "official" fix. And yes, I know the likelihood of an official fix is slim-to-none anyway.

3. Step number one to getting any sort of issue fixed is identifying that issue. If you feel like identifying an issue with a phone is tantamount to bashing it, I'm sorry for you. The all-or-nothing "return the phone for something else" attitude is simplistic and childish.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] sn0b0ard:
I think people are also forgetting that the International SGSIII only has 1GB of RAM with ICS and, from what I have seen, does not have multitasking issues, so yes HTC Sense is definitely to blame here.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edub186:
So you come in a minor debate, and swing a chair with your superhero Evo LTE outfit on. No one was bashing the phone, sense, just maybe a lil multitasking bashing, because everyone know that's a, pos. I know I'm not the only, with reboot issues. Check out, YouTube. The software, is dated and it's not perfect! That's the reason, so many tech sites gave the smartphone crown to the SG3. Now stop being a fanboy, turning a thread to something it's not.

Sorry, my phone and many others aren't perfect or rooted, like yours. I've stated numerous times, I like Sense but the software is buggy and dated.

Also, this is the general section of this device in this forum. Everything that is posted after every OP is an opinion or general statement get over it. Don't get me wrong we do have some trolls and questionable users, but I'm not one of them.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] LiquidSolstice:
This. I understand the love of AOSP, but in my opinion, people are just more prone to dislike Sense because they're ready for something different.

The stock-based custom ROMs with their optimizations are as fast (if not faster) than any build of CM I've ever used. That's not to knock CM at all, I very much will be trying it when it comes out, but at this point, I'm convinced that as far as performance and stability goes, I won't be switching to CM because of Sense having slowness/lag/stability issues. I'll be switching for the chance of scene and the extended options.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Genjinaro:
I like Sense, I know it's not everybody's cup of tea.

I can understand Joe/Jane/I-Don't-Wanna-Root's hate of HTC Sense.

I can understand wanting a new & different look (AOSP, MIUI, CynogenMod etc.) versus HTC Sense.

I don't understand the HTC Sense hate on XDA with the EVO 3D & LTE.

What I do hate is what HTC's dev team & anyone on the user experience team's idea of how Sense 4.0's Multitasking & Task Manager works.

Sense 4 isn't large enough to demand such an aggressive task manager.

But I come here to get all of those annoyances tweaked, some things removed & some things added. Probably the only reason I like HTC Sense is because of XDA.

Kudos to Flex360 & others.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] sn0b0ard:
I would also like to add that I think that we, as a group of mostly experienced HTC users, need to take the higher road regarding criticism and attacking Samsung. Samsung developers are busy with developing ROMs and AOSP and we are still having heated debates about the same subjects on a daily basis. By this point, we all know that Sense is a resource hog, so there really isn't a need to beat a dead horse anymore. We all know the strengths and weaknesses of our device. We need to focus more on development and getting AOSP working properly on our phone, and less on threads like this. Then more developers *hopefully* will come.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] arrogantbastard:
If I had the know-how and the time to develop roms or port AOSP, I'd be all over it. I have neither, so I have to bide my time and wait for the experts to work their magic. The vast majority of us are in the same boat. Yes, all of these subjects have been discussed ad nauseum. But what else are we going to do? ;)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Cyrene:
I started with the Incredible, then the 3vo, then the Lte. I also have the Evo View. I am not bored with Sense at all.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] PsiPhiDan:
If multi-tasking was fixed, I'd contemplate using a Sense custom ROM instead of AOSP. Sense 4 is overall great, but the multi-tasking issue just kills me inside every day, haha.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] BeerMit:
In general I've been somewhat disappointed with sense 4.0. Came form the OG EVO, so i was familiar with sense (was that version 1?). However after trying a stock rom on my old phone, I wish HTC had done less with sense.

Now I didn't just come here to complain, don't get me wrong, I love love LOVE this phone. Amazing build quality and materials, top notch camera with dedicated button, stupid fast processor. But Sense really does need to go on a diet. Sense "rebooted" twice the day after I bought the phone, once was from me hitting home from temple run. Didn't think temple run could be so taxing...

Also the multitasking has been rather annoying. Especially with web browsers. try going back and forth between chrome and another app on 3G and tell me just how snappy that is. Cuz it really isn't...

Done ranting now, but sense 4.0 really is disappointing
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] FlowingAway:
I know I'm not saying anything new, but the multi-tasking is a joke. Switch over to one of deck's CM9 builds and multi-task for a while, then come back to a Sense-based ROM. I will never claim to understand the intricacies of Android or the reasons behind Sense's multi-tasking behaving the way it does, but I do know that it should not have to totally reopen an app I just used 2 apps ago.

Also, a sidenote: There are a couple of games I've found won't work with Sense-based ROMS that do work with CM9. So there's that as well.

I'm totally coming off as a CM9 fanboy. But geez HTC you're a huge company with bright designers and coders paid to do this. How can a team of volunteer developers create a ROM that functions better than HTC's?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Meanee:
Only thing that's holding me back from trying CM9 is the dialer. Is there one out there that would be functioning just like Sense one? With history and everything.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] `Ghost`:
I spent good money on this Evo LTE outfit. It doesnt chafe in the armpits. Im not denying that there is a multitasking issue (as there is) but i feel that its blown way out of proportion. Also neither am I a troll. you said "everything that is posted after every op is an opinion or general statement get over it'' sounds like you should take your own advice and ''get over'' what I had posted.

but alas, no more argueing. You are my brother in this world we call the Evo 4g LTE, so I extend my hand in honor of friendship and MLP
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SPreston2001:
I dont think people are being petty, more so just expressing how they feel Sense could be better. My biggest issue is the multitasking but I def like Sense and think its the best looking UI out there. It really makes the phone look polished and has a much more elegant feel over stock Android. With that being said it does have its flaws but the widgets alone allow me to look past them lol.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] `Ghost`:
Yeah.. htc does have some awesome widgets
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] freeza:
I'm amazed at the number of people willing to acknowledge Sense 4.0 and its issues. The phone hardware is great. Hell, the phone itself is a wonderful device, and one I would have kept if not for the Sense 4.0 way of destroying any sort of switching between apps I ever wanted to do.

All this could have been solved with a simple upgrade in memory. But HTC didn't want to do that......for some reason.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Saneless One:
Not even just memory. They just ruined too many parts of it at the core.

The phone is great but the software is so bad I fired up my evo 3d which has a very functional cm9 build. If this lte doesn't get cm soon I may just sell it before everyone else finds out how much sense 4 ruined android and the experience.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] BamAlmighty:
I'll take pure Jelly Bean, but after using a GS3 I'll take sense over touchwiz ANY DAY.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] PsiPhiDan:
I assume you meant you're amazed by the amount of people unwilling to acknowledge the failures of Sense 4.0?

Sad, I didn't know you left this phone. :(
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SPreston2001:
Lol its so funny how times change. About 3 or 4 years back when I had the Samsung Moment one of the gripes was that it was just plain vaniilla Android. The Hero on the other hand had Sense which was a major selling point. Now it seems like people want it the other way around. This leads me to believe people always tend to think the grass is greener on the other side lol. But in all seriousness if Sense worked out the damn multitask issues it would be great. Hopefully the dev community can dig more into it as time goes on and give us true multitasking. If the OG Evo could do it with 512mb of ram, the LTE can pull it off with 1GB....
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] PsiPhiDan:
I think more than anything, Google has improved vanilla android significantly, and the giant increase in fantastic widgets had countered one of Sense's major advantages. Additionally, Sense has tried to increase its footprint on the OS to a point where it can be intrusive now. That, to me, is why people were complaining both before, and now.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] scottspa74:
Actually, its better to root BEFORE updates come out. Often they break the ability to root, at least for a bit. Then devs release the updated SW, and generally do a better job than HTC, and sometimes before HTC.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edub186:
Haha, no beef bro. I hope no one take the things I say personal. If I'm on that other level with someone, I'm directing strong profanity at them. Lol. I don't get like that much. I get into debates, but don't throw chairs at people like a politician.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] luigi311:
yes sense certainly has its bugs (especially multitasking) but a great feature that was introduced in sense 4 was internet walkthrough and its coming in handy. I'm currently in Puerto Vallarta in Mexico (really nice place) and the roaming charges for sprint are pretty pricy so were using GV but the only open WiFi here is in the lobby and in the rooms they charge 5$ a day for WiFi hotspot but instead I have my phone hooked up to my laptop which is direct connected via Ethernet for free and use a WiFi tether so now we can all text through GV in out room and I can use ,y touchpad to be on xda like right now
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edub186:
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I haven't rooted since the Og evo Lol. Thanks.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] tech7:
Yeah me not liking the HTC sence its boring
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] edlokien:
I rather the Nexus be the EVO LTE. Just cant wait for the devs to get CM10 running on the phone!
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] `Ghost`:
I cancelled service with Sprint and returned the phone (was on day 16 but they took it back anyway). Went to T-mobile as thats what most of my family is on... but then today I find out I am 85% going to be moving with a friend of mine to a place in California where the only carrier that gets relatively any signal is... you guessed it, sprint. SO that being said.. *sigh* I cant believe im about to say this, Im probably heading to a sprint store tomorrow after work and Rebuying the Evo LTE. *sigh*
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] abanh:
Try Dialer One or Touchpal Dialer. Both have T9 search support. I use Touchpal because I prefer how it looks over Dialer One.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] funcrusher:
I believe CM9 has had T9.....since like the beginning of CM9. Hehe--I remember using dialer one on my OG EVO in the early days, it was very functional, but oh so ugly.