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[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] DiamondJay20:
non-removable SIM on a "world phone?" Peace out, Sprint.

Honestly, if Sprint wants more money, how about improving signal strength, not cheating customers?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] sndtubes:
Think they're going to have a car dock and hd dock?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] heldunder:
Being that I'm a technician... Work with these phones for a living... And have actual experiance with said devices. Slide phones are no more and no less reliable than candybar phones. It's all build quality, and moto tends to have great build quality. I had the original moto droid, thing was amazing, NEVER had an issue with moto build quality.

size an issue? get the GS3 or EVO LTE, i know YOU dont want a thicker phone, or keypad, but i do and plenty of people do.

The battery is less than desirable, but it's on par with other devices of its size and i bet will last plenty of time, security risk? to who 0.05% of all users?

my point is DON'T critisize a phone, or sprint for that matter since sprint doesnt design the phone, for a decent looking device, with current top of the line stats, JUST because it doesnt fit what YOU want. it could be PERFECT for some one else.

and the ONLY reason photon and photon q sales will be low is because moto doesnt advertise its devices, and sprint doesnt advertise many devices at all. onyl reason the sell a ton on VZW is because they advertise for them.

and in NO way am i a shill you moron, I personally cant wait for a decent keyboard device, similar stats to the evo LTE, plus made by moto, so it's antenna will be stronger and the build quality will be a million times better. I'll be a happy camper when i get it.

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This will always be an issue i think, maybe 1 or 2 phones a YEAR will come out with interchangable accessorys but carriers like to name theres devices difforently to try and make a line of phones people will only come to them for. complete BS imo.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] MikeyLee:
I dont see what people are complaining about. It's got a 1.5ghz processor that can run at 1.7 or higher. Same cameras you have now with the regular Photon, and for all those who complain about not having a keyboard, well it has one LOL I moved from the Photon to the SGSIII but my GF still loves her Photon and she's going to get this one when released.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] findthedr:
nothing like anecdotal evidence. :D

Moving parts have wear and tear. Anytime there is more moving parts (such as in a slider) there is less reliability. that is just common sense.

After surveying 63,000 of its readers, PCworld found that:

1. 31.3% of motorola users who participated in their survey reported a problem with their phone in 2011 which is up from 21.7% in 2010.

2. Motorola came in 5th (behind Apple, LG, HTC, and nokia) in satisfaction with reliability.

This is rather interesting since squaretrade (which actually insures phones) found that Moto was the 3rd most reliable manufacturer in 2010.

In your world people want thicker phones, tvs, and other electronics. Back in the real world, thinner phones are leading in sales while thicker ones do not. Once again, i predict that the photon Q will have less sales than the photon (which was a dissapointment).

1. most other devices of similar size to the photon Q have removable batteries.

2. Although security risk may not be an issue with most people, having a non-removable battery is an issue for developers since doing a battery pull can be very beneficial when a phone is stuck.

1. although sprint doesnt "design" the device they DO place mandates on the manufacturers such as locked bootloader, US-GSM block, non-removable sim, no root. All carriers put limits on manufacturers.

2. This phone "could" be perfect for someone else. IMO, those individuals are few and far between. What is more likely is that this phone is targeted for a large market and that Sprint missed their target. Once again, the proof will be in sales.

LOL. aldready trying to justify the likely low sales. Sounds like you at least admit their marketing department is incompetent.

sure sound like a shill
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
i am confused? how can he be a shill yet state he works for sprint.. did the meaning change?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] heldunder:
I'm assuming he thinks I only like the device because i work for sprint, and not because i intend to OWN the device.

my question, will this be one of the new amazing lightning quick 8mp camera's we're seeing on gnex/evolte/gs3, those are ****ing nice. if it's LITERALLY the same thing I'll be disapointed.

And i could care less what company says what devices are better, from personal profetional experiance, ( while experiances may varey) moto tend to be the MOST reliable, samsung the least.

this is how I've guaged device from experiance.

moto = best antenni, best build quality, worst screen tech.

htc =decent all round, slightly poor build quality on some phones, very hit or miss

samsung BEST screen quality( it is samsung afterall), very poor antenna strength ( tend to use component antenna which SUCK) decent camera quality very poor build quality.

and that's just from my experiance as a technician.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] LexLuger82:
Why the move?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] InfDaMarvel:
Lol Samsung > moto
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
A shill, plant, or stooge is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that he has a close relationship with that person or organization. Shill typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that he is an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom he is secretly working.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

you disclosed that relationship... so my confusion still stands :P
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] z31k:
I had some face time with the photon q... I think this phone looks promising.. I really missed my epic and i think the photon will indeed fill the gap.. The keyboard is wicked.. It has a nice solid feel to it, unlike the epic, it had a solid feel to it...

As far as the layout, it is pretty close to stock aosp... Which in my point of view is a strong point... I'm a big fan of aosp..

The screen is in fact more vibrant than the photon.. But then again i was stuck on the wow factor of the keyboard... So, there goes my two Pennies.. I'm really exited about this phone.. I'm sorry most don't share my enthusiasm.

Play with it for a bit then make the assumptions...
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] sndtubes:
Has anyone heard about accessories yet?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] findthedr:
I stand corrected. thanks for the clarification.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] DiamondJay20:
Fact that Sprint has fanboy shills says something. Its more immature than the 16-bit console war fanboys, except at least Sega and Nintendo actually offered good things. Sprint is like the TurboGrfx16 of carriers.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] LexLuger82:
Damn shame
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] sirscrubsalot:
I loved our 1st gen photon - and excited about the return of a physical keyboard and LTE. Prior to this I owned a HTC Touch Pro 2 from Sprint....

Just like many of you, I share the same concerns : the fixed battery and SIM - I use voice a lot, and usually need a spare backup battery in case. Now, as another poster here pointed out - some of us can't be tied to a car or wall charger... wonder about the longevity of the battery after 1-1.5 yrs of use. I suppose* you can use an external battery pack or solar charger....

Out of curiosity - if you're still sticking with Sprint and did have an upgrade in mind for the late portion of this year, what would you LTE would you pick? Always loved motorola prior to the smartphone era - I might still buck up, and pick this... will hear more user comments as time goes on. There aren't many LTE phones on sprint at the moment... hard to compare the photon LTE to samsung GS3 or galaxy Nexus.

Other concern was previous dock accessory compatability (fit and port placement) - I didn't look deep into the dimension between both photons.

Like another user mentioned with a fixed SIM and international travel - it's either bring the old 1st gen photon or pick up another unlocked, removable SIM phone.

Are there any positive points to a fixed battery? I thought I.saw a post here about it being that way due to the keybaord. The SIM - total market/sales lockdown.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] shabbypenguin:
general points to fixed battery is bigger in smaller spaces, or at least thats the general rule of thumb :/.

im hoping sprint picks up the nexus device quicker than they have so far now that cdma/lte has been done before. after seeing so many stories of phones waiting on updates i cant go back to a non nexus device. i had jellybean running prettyu damn good within 2-3 days of teh I/O, using old blobs from ics (sprints nexus is the only non aosp compliant nexus device). i know come november ill have a nice new version of android 4.x/5.x within a decent timeframe.. ill be very happy if moto makes the next nexus so dont get me wrong.. just cant stand this wait in line approach.

but it will be around the time key lime pie (or whatever its name is) comes out that you guys will be getting ICS... to me that is unacceptable
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] DiamondJay20:
I would love to see Moto make the next Nexus phone: I love Moto phones. I loved the Atrix, and I would love the Photon but for Sprint's terrid service. I also suspect Sprint is behind the embedded SIM card and Moto is just fulfilling a contract with Sprint to produce x many phones exclusively for the "Now Network" (which should be called the "in 4 years Network" because thats how long it takes to download anything on 3G and their 4G barely exists.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] TirithXiato:
Honestly, I don't have a problem with sprints service, moto build quality, or a slide out keyboard.

I get 2+mbps down on 3g, 9 on 4g, and am looking to pick up the new photon.

Lte goes live here this month, and I refuse to get another samsung problem... I mean product.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] InfDaMarvel:
If you getting 2+ Mbps I need some proof. That's insane for sprint
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] DiamondJay20:
no, its possible, I've gotten 2 MB/s on Sprint 3G...at 3:30 am.

9 MB/s on Sprint 4G (non-LTE)? Yea sure there were a few pornos on betamax.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] TirithXiato:
I live just outside of baltimore. Haven't gotten speedtest or andross on this one yet, but will post screens.

I do avg 2mb on 3g and have seen 9 but avg 6-7 on 4g (wimax)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] DiamondJay20:
Now try it when there's actually internet traffic, not at 130am.

Sent from my MB855
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] TirithXiato:
Alright, won't be any difference.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Productzer01:
Actually in Baltimore I get ready good speeds about 1.5 to 2.0 gbs even at peak times. But here at home in Atlanta Ga it's 400 mbs Max
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] A2CKilla:
just saying, you guys know baltimore was suppose to get the network vision upgrade anyway right? so you should be seeing good speeds at all times of the day
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] aashish2137:
Considering India has no S4 processor phones at the moment, let alone a high end qwerty android device, this (read sup-par featured) phone seems pretty attractive to me!

It has a bigger battery than an average 4.3" phone you will find in India, and on S4, 1700 something will be a blessing I reckon!

But until hitting this thread, I had no idea its a SIM-locked phone! I'd have happily bought it as the phone perfectly apt to my requirements (large battery, qwerty, ICS and to hell with HD display and 13 MP cameras)!

What a waste Motorola! :(
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] knG333:
This phone is a great device. The way the manufacturer and carrier treated this phone was terrible. I don't feel like getting burned again by an early EOL phone. Also, I'll never purchase a slider phone. That's so 2005.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] heldunder:
I dont understand that kind of a statement... I LOVED my OG droid for the keyboard, and have been craving one ever since. i onyl use my phone for texting/web, and the keyboard makes that sooo much easier.( for me)

also the fixed simcard kind of makes sense, since LTE requires a simcard, all the other LTE phones have a "sim card" in them, not literally but they have a sim like module in them. being this early in sprint LTE i cant imagine they're going to have a swappable simcard anytime in the near future based on this alone. tho they do make dual sim carriers/phones ...
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] wintrxtrem:
Verizon world phones with LTE use the same sim slot for both LTE connectivity and GSM world roaming, don't they?

I think I just read that about their GS3 a few days ago. Sprint could do the same, but instead they choose to **** us:]
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] DiamondJay20:
hence why I'm etf-ing.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] TirithXiato:
Even before the upgrade, I had no problem. In saint marys ga, I still see 1.5
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] heldunder:
I'm pretty sure they woulfdnt since if you remove your LTE card and say... lose it... you no longer have access to LTE, until they send you a new card and reprovision the new card. why not avoid the issue all together?
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] findthedr:
so that the consumer has the choice what carrier to use (both internationally and domestic).

Verizon Gives Motorola LTE Razrs Their GSM Wings

much like the photon, developers have managed to unlock GSM for US in these verizon gsm LTE phones.

Photon Q's locked Sim is all about limiting consumer's choice and making the phone useless on a non-Sprint (or sprint affiliated) network.

as for your example of "losing the LTE card", sim cards are inexpensive. The convenience of an unlocked SIM is far greater than the costs of a replacement SIM. Sprint stands to gain far more money (through exorbitant calling rates) on a sim locked phone than they stand to gain (or have gained in the past) from replacement sim cards.

Sprint put the bottom dollar ahead of the consumer when designing this phone, and that mentality is going to end up hurting their bottom dollar (due to decreased sales).
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] knG333:
The slider part of my statement was just a joke. That part is all personal preference. I just won't be buying a slider phone.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] LexLuger82:
Real talk
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] sirscrubsalot:
Thanks for the follow-up Shabby :) What specific thing were you hoping that Sprint picks up quicker? Or was it an OS Upgrade you were looking forward to.

I haven't been following the nexus devices at all really, and perhaps I may have misunderstood you - was that the Samsung Galaxy Nexus LTE that just came out recently through Sprint (from a few weeks to months back) on the Sprint website?

I'm a bit stunned with the side by side comparison from the motorola website - of the Photon 4g vs Photon LTE - especially with the drop in talk time (from 10hours 4g photon to 7.5 hours Photon LTE - obviously from the battery, but that was one of my plus features on my current photon... I need at least 2 batteries or a charger handy because of the amount of voice calls made - even the Galaxy Nexus LTE or what I was able to see from sprint's web page roughly shows a ~7-7.5 hour talk time. New physical dimensions in the LTE photon, inevitably assumes that it won't fit directly in the HDMI Dock of the original photon...

Another thing which hasn't sunk in to really compare is the internal memory storage reductions. I wonder if there are any upcoming LTE devices with NFC/Google Wallet and comparable talk time... probably asking for a lot haha. Motorola's physical build, reception, and voice quality are the only things at this point which are still keeping me in the consideration... I do have an upgrade coming up that expires at the end of 2012... so keeping my eyes open.

Here's the side by side specification/feature comparison (of the Photon 4g and Photon Q 4g LTE) for those who were interested - : (work friendly safe from motorola site)

http://www.motorola.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-Motorola_US-Site/en_US/Compare-Show?category=mobile-phones
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] DiamondJay20:
I strongly suspect the Photon LTE is simply Motorola finishing out a contract with Sprint before they ditch em.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] Neva Eva Forget 1984:
I don't think Moto will ditch Sprint because of Google owning them now... Sprint probably had Moto speed up its process to attract the BB users... I guess we shall see I hope they don't leave...
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] knG333:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/10/sprint-motorola-photon-q-4g-lte-leak-details-qwerty/

Add non-removable battery to my list of reasons I won't be buying it. Unless that was already known and I just didn't see it.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] DiamondJay20:
well for giving us this phone, in addition to terrible service and slow internet, tomorrow, SEE YA SPRINT!
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] wintrxtrem:
That engadget link doesn't seem to exist
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] sndtubes:
No kickstand either
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] kbrn:
there's oficial videos from Moto already..

I love the weather/time widget.

[YOUTUBE]aqin8wh0CNk[/YOUTUBE]
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] heldunder:
name a single company that doesnt put there bottom line first..? they are there to make money. they arent a wireless charity, they are a wireless sales company. quit giving them **** for stupid things. other carriers **** customers sooo much harder.( from experance)
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] hellot1M:
Its technology guys... you have other choices. Please stop spending your time bashing one product or company over a decision they made. They WILL make money on this phone just like they have on most other products they made that people like you have bashed and said wouldn't make it. Want a big screen go with the RAZR. Want a keyboard you can go with the photon Q. Want a mid phone go with whatever else they have. Motorola designed this phone with sprint in mind. It doesn't have to be a world phone. **** you are lucky it will even work outside the US. They made the mistake of giving us the option of a sim card. It cost sprint money because people were using it on other carriers. That's not what the phone was made for. If you want an att phone get the atrix. Its the same damn phone. Don't buy the photon and use it on their network.

I'm sorry for the rant. But I'm sick of the bull****. Stop *****ing like little girls over a phone you dont have to buy. I have personally played with this phone and I will most likely be giving Motorola my money because it fits my needs. I don't care much for the keyboard, only because I havnt used one in so long. It might grow on me again. Who knows. If not I don't have to use it.

Anyways.. I'll let you girls get back to your dolls.

Edit: actually sorry about the other carriers thing. I've actually got another photon that I had laying around now using the KDDI modem. Its for my daughters mother. I gave it to her because she refused to come to sprint because of the lack of service in her state. Sorry for being hypocritical there :P
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] stonesaber:
Well said! My thoughts exactly.
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] findthedr:
At&T unlocking iphones would be a good example. That probably is not in their short-term interest in forced monetization, though it does decrease the load on their network (by iphone users leaving), and may bring longterm goodwill with their customer base.

I am not making excuses for their behavior. Sprint should do what is in the best interest of their company. Unfortunately I disagree with them in what that is. This appears to be in the best short term interest (by limiting their customer's choice), but not in their long term interest. Alienating their customers is not in their longterm interest, IMO.

Its really a philisophical debate going on in the buisness world. It seems like too many in upper management are chasing short term profit (appeasing stockholders with positive quarterly reports), while gutting the longterm interest of the company (poor R&D, killing the cashcow by overmonetizing customers).

Ultimately the cell phone industry is a service industry. Sprint will continue to struggle if they dont provide quality service. I dont think this phone is a step in the right direction. Once again, the revenue record (of this phone) will do more talking than my words.

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thankfully. That is why sprint has lost contract subscribers in 5 of the last 6 quarters, and lost 15% market share overall.

if you dont like it, than dont post.

correct, but that is what it is marketed as.

how so? its not "luck" when they describe it as such.

how so? if the phone is out of contract the owner can do whatever they feel with it. Counting on the further monetization of a customer base post contract is foolish.

lol. Obviously the phone was "made" to handle a wide range of frequencies by motorola and the chipset (as you know the jap version of the photon does not have such limits). Sprint mandated the phone to be limited, and would prefer that it was a brick when not on their network. Consumers have the authority and ability to use it however they feel post contract. Instead of sticking with an antiquated business model sprint should compete. I am sure they hated "number portability" also.

I dont see anyone *****ing in this thread but you. Many are expressing their reasons for not purchasing this phone. This forum is not sprint owned and not a cheerleader section for them. If you have a problem with that, than you may be interested in posting elsewhere.

lol
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] hellot1M:
I need to poop
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] LexLuger82:
I agree
[Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE] jefbal99:
The new Network Vision rebuilt towers hooked up the the new backhaul will give great 3G, even during peak hours. As towers are rebuilt for network vision, either Microwave, Fibre, or Ethernet backhaul is available that can scale up to the needed bandwidth very easily. The legacy systems are running for the most part on multiple T1 backhaul and it sucks.

Network Vision is an amazing project that involves replacing every piece on equipment on a Cell Site except the tower. The new antenna panels and remote radios (up on the tower) will be giving a 20% gain (which depending on downtilt might be further reaching or stronger signals). As nextel is shutdown, the 800Mhz spectrum is being refarmed for a voice carrier and LTE carrier (Voice is live no in Chicago subburbs, LTE next summer) and that spectrum gives much better coverage and penetration.

Best site for info on the Sprint Network Vision project is www.s4gru.com. The information that Robert (admin) has on that site is simply amazing.

As for the Photon Q 4G LTE, I'll be picking this phone up for my mom on Sunday. She likes the keyboard and is not a power user like most of us on xda. Coming from the Samsung Transform POS, this thing will be an amazing device that will cover all her needs for the 22months until her next upgrade is available. I'm actually going to buy her upgrade forward from 10/1 because the current phone sucks so bad...