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[General Topics] Slade Wilson:
Samsung needs better lawyers who know the rules :P (bringing the model picture too late :rolleyes:)

But in this war the winners are only the lawyers, cause the dimension of this lawsuit is very very big and the longer it lasts the better for them.

Go Samsung :D
[General Topics] Jcossack88:
This fight between Apple and Samsung should not be happening. Granted, Sammy may have stolen a few ideas, but not outright. Some of the icons look similar, but its a case that is saying Samsung cannot use a head shape in their contacts icon, or a green color behind the phone icon. That is a tad bit ridiculous, and I will explain why.

We both know Dunlop and Firestone both make tires....now both Dunlop and Firestone use white lettering on the sidewall. Who made it first? Should Firestone sue Dunlop for using this feature? NO! because who cares.....Dunlop tires say Dunlop and Firestone says Firestone. Nobody in their right mind would walk into a mobile retail store and pick up the iPhone and a Galaxy device and say..."I cant tell which one of these is an iPhone because they both have a green phone icon."

This is how technology advances, and companies compete. Yes, Apple made some great contributions to technology by introducing a streamline look, but guess what...it is wayy overpriced, and a few years behind in hardware capabilities. So, a different company is coming in to make this available since Apple will not.

A second example would be the ever popular Tom's brand shoes, and Sketchers remake.....the Bob's. Now, you could very well mistake these two shoes if you did not know anything about them....but is Tom's suing Sketchers? No, they are not. And this is even more important due to not only the design being ripped off, but the name too. How does that happen?

Now, I could just be completely biased due to my last 5 phones being Samsung products, but I do not think Apple should have a case. These are just a few slightly strange things I have noticed.
[General Topics] Slade Wilson:
In console buissines the same. Nintendo was first with analog stick, then the others copied it. So..... but it is just like you said.

Love and peace ^^ be flattered Apple/Samsung
[General Topics] CMDann:
I have never confused my product with an apple product. I have never picked up my girlriend's iPhone thinking it was my S2X. I think it is silly what they were saying about people buying the Samsung products thinking they were getting apple.
[General Topics] bleach168:
And that's why I think Apple will lose this case. They can't prove damages. I have never ever heard of anyone buying a Samsung phone when they intended to buy an iPhone.
[General Topics] hungry81:
Apple are showing their arrogance by implying the only reason anyone buys non apple phones is because they mistake it for a apple phone. What douchebags
[General Topics] THE RED BLUR:
Thank god for custom roms which bypass anything apple can do. :D

I get features of HTC, Samsung and too an extent apple.

Main ROM : RR AOKP 2.6.1

2nd Rom : RR JB 3.1

KERNEL : Dorimanx 5.55

Modem : LQ6

Root app: SuperSu
[General Topics] stavgayer:
In my opinion

APPLE SHOULD BE DEAD....i own a iphone and stuff but i really prefer the android

their prices are really high..closed OS

and stuff like thatt
[General Topics] MissionImprobable:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2408317,00.asp

Interesting. Apple claims that Samsung's theft have hurt Apple sales yet number on the iPhone and iPad have increased every year since release. No wonder they didn't want any actual data introduced into the court room.
[General Topics] mistermentality:
I know, but they seem to be trying to bamboozle the jury with lots of high paid witnesses who keep reiterating how samsung products are confusingly similar.

What they should do is have the jury go to a non apple store of their choice and see in the real world how hard it is to mistake them.

But they won't.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] _Variable:
Cool idea, I gotta email Phil Schiller.
[General Topics] mistermentality:
Lol. But it's true, in criminal trials you can visit the scene of the crime so in a non criminal trial why not do something similar.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] _Variable:
I went to the mall today and went to a Samsung store with my siblings, The youngest(11 years old) noticed how different the Galaxy S2(they still sell those) is from the iPhone. The 14 year old middle-girl also said the same. Even me, 20 years old, I dont see anything similar besides the rectangle and Home button(Which Apple didnt even invent).

How old are those judges again?
[General Topics] jmaiman:
Samsung makes better phones than apple and doesn't need to copy the iPhone:D
[General Topics] chismay:
thinking of getting a load of anti-apple / dont buy apple bull**** flyers n hand em out at the station.
[General Topics] tlrsax54:
As much as I'd enjoy it, I'm sure that would cause a heck of a scene ^^;
[General Topics] adlakeche:
Google will give the needed boost

Google will obviously keep giving samsung the support they need to stop this nonsense. History shows apple is more at fault.:cowboy:
[General Topics] mistermentality:
The latest news in the case doesn't surprise me but might surprise some, apple said android was made to encourage people to copy the iphone.

That shows apples disdain for android and will no doubt be repeated when they go after more android products.

But on the plus side they only want fourty dollars per tablet and thirty per phone so it's not like they're being unreasonable.

They did invent the first modern looking fashionable flat touchscreen phone after all. No, wait, that was lg. Well they did invent touching the screen with more than one finger. No, that wasn't them either.

Now I remember, they invented the retina display and the gui...no that was samsung and xerox....well I'm sure they invented something they patented :)

This post was brought to you, in association with sarcasm, by my brain which suggests that posting at four in the morning is just silly :p

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] xzyl08:
must ntariald

one of the best smartphone is samsung galaxy
[General Topics] :
Maybe in the galaxy, but currently the best in the universe is the S3

~~~Sent from my 1986 Motorola brick using Steve Jobs' nose for the antenna~~~
[General Topics] Elioman:
watch this picture.

http: //i46.tinypic.com/217f2x.jpg

for me Galaxy S III i´ts the best.
[General Topics] deathnotice01:
if some apple boy took me to be a witness and paid me $2000 an hour to say that my galaxy looks like an iphone, i'm buyin'

but seriously,

apple can't prove damages unless they pay a whole lot of people to act as complete douchebags and say they were confused that SGS was a iphone

the IBM simon was the first smartphone released in august 1994,

it had most of the things apple has on its iphone,

and guess what that was like 12 years since apple came into existence,

they never invented anything,

they just brainwashed billions of people,

bottomline,

apple has nothing but a name and fancy patents that never makes sense,

i think if worse comes to worst for apple, it will sell whole big A to another company,

just like what happend to palm by HP
[General Topics] LordSeifer:
The sarcasm meter is off the chart for that one!!!! Love it :laugh:

Is any one else getting sick of the media's sycophancy for apple during the trial? It seems that nearly every tech website you go to writes 10,000 word essays on "how apples defence is superior to samsung", and are headed with ridiculous tag lines like "132 page study PROVES that samsung copied apple". I'm sick of feeling like the entire US media is under apples payroll, or that they're just plain incompetent when they interpret a comparative study between the Galaxy S1 and the 3GS (which EVERY single tech company in the world does between their own products and their competitors, in order to determine how to improve their product) as a "guide to copy the iphone".

Plus what the hell was with that Kare woman (an apple "expert" witness, so much lol) who designs GUI icons for apple saying she couldn't comment on whether the huge start up screens on samsung phones that say in bold letters "SAMSUNG" would tell anyone using the phone that it was a Samsung phone, because she wasn't an "start up screen expert"? That's just being plain obstructive and not answering the question, how is that allowed when she is under oath??

This whole lawsuit is patently ridiculous, and if Koh has one ounce of impartiality, she will throw out all of apples patents and end this PR stunt.
[General Topics] Ir0nLy0n:
You mean my Samsung Captivate isn't really an iPhone? Damn salesmen.
[General Topics] mistermentality:
All they have to do legally is prove that samsungs products look somewhat similar, have rounded corners, that they have are rectangular and have icons of similar colour or design.

And yes that really is how easy it is for them.

If the jury accept apples design patents are valid then they also have to find that samsung copied them because lets face it most smartphones have a rounded corners, front speaker grill etcetera.

This will set a precedent whereby apple can then go after anyone with those features so this is another reason why the case is important.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )

---------- Post added at 01:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:56 PM ----------

Thank you :D

The media are quite skewed in apples favour but all media seems to be, even movies. In most films if characters use a phone it's an iphone.

It doesn't help when "tech sites" like cnet write "impartial" reviews where they find that the iphones eight megapixel camera is superior to nokias 41 mp camera on the pureview. Reports like that help propogate apples image of "awesomeness".

As for Kare, I'm amazed that a previous apple designer being paid eighty thousand dollars could be considered a reliable witness.

But samsung have shot themselves in the foot a few time like when they tried hiding features of their tablet and accusing apple of using doctored evidence.

These were quickly found out and behaviour like that will stick in the juries mind.

Dave

( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
[General Topics] MissionImprobable:
Again, if this goes in Apple's favor what are the carriers going to do? Everyone is not going to switch to iPhones if they became the only game in town and with companies like HTC already dealing with financial issues some manufacturers could be pushed out of the market if they have to pay the ridiculous licensing fees that Apple is asking for. VZ, AT&T and others aren't going to be making too much when no one is using enough data for overages and only have to pay the $10/month dumbphone fees. Yes, I know that's a worst case scenario, but it's possible with the foolishness that Apple has shown thus far.

Crazier still is that Apple wants $30-$40 per device for GUI features but thinks they should only have to pay Moto a few cents for WIFI hardware. I think we can agree that the iPhone and iPad could be as pretty as you like yet wouldn't sell too well without WIFI.
[General Topics] mountain_maniac:
In 1793 in the U.S. a patent was awarded for "any new and useful art, machine, manufacture or composition of matter and any new and useful improvement on any art, machine, manufacture or composition of matter" I just looked this up and apparently its remained relatively unchanged since.(not sure as I'm British, and only 14) surely if Samsung is improving on apples "ideas" they are not infringing on what is in the original patent.

As far as I can tell patents allow for improvements on ideas, to increase innovation, which apple obviously isn't.
[General Topics] DD-Ripper:
Apple is not interested in improvements, innovations..etc...there main aim is to stop their top competitors that is Android and copy their ideas and patent them! :mad:

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[General Topics] :
Today's "journalists" are clueless. So they copy and paste and hope they don't get caught like the turkey from CNN and Time did last week.

~~~Sent from my sphincter using Steve Jobs' face as the model~~~
[General Topics] tillaz:
i hate apple... they use other people idea's mostly from android... yet they try suing anyone that uses as much as slide to unlock...

they are over priced and pathetic
[General Topics] cpie20:
What are talking about they copy each other!
[General Topics] digichris:
Apple = patent trolls

I am digichris, and I approve this message.
[General Topics] IsaacNewton:
There is a big difference between fashion and IT. You can't patent fashion. You can buy a Hilfiger shirt, rip it apart, take the model, buy fabric, apply the model and resell your shirt..... that's the fashion business. The co-exist with a different mindset. Probably because it is ruled by women. We IT folk are different, we are ruled by men. We like to compete and we are absolutely anal about our inventions and protecting those inventions. We could learn a thing or to from those fashion people :cowboy:
[General Topics] rustid:
The US patent system is broken. Notification bar should be a patent, and worth $60 per phone that apple should pay google.
[General Topics] :
It is.

Yet Apple is the biggest IT abuser of copying existing designs (loosely used, both look and feel, but also HW and SW designs) then patenting it even existing patents exist and always when there is plenty of prior art. I send alot of their new patents to the original patent holders in the hopes they will sue Apple and make Apple's filthy tactics public.

~~~Sent from my outhouse, where Steve Jobs' ashes are used as a drying agent on the floor of the old "two holer"~~~
[General Topics] grassyloki:
I think it's funny how apple has to steal the technology because they can't think of any ideas of their own

Edit

And when someone does better than them ,they try to sue them

Apple has always been patent trolls. just look at their history

Sent from my SGH-T989 on Jelly Bean goodness!
[General Topics] alpha-niner64:
It's no surprise that Apple is patent trolling, but the "biggest IT abuser"? I think that title belongs to Microsoft.
[General Topics] kaus1108:
Apple really are scared, now because they have seen Android sales climb way beyond their imagination. They were not like this 3 years ago when they sold more devices than Android. Its plain simple, everyone can see it
[General Topics] Protibus:
Apple has always held a grudge against competitors dating back to Microsoft grabbing the PC software market and leaving Apple behind licking its wounds. This thing with Android is just an extension of that resentment of a competitor who could potentially best them again. I personally don't see how anyone can say the android devices are a clone of the iPhone or iPad. I see distinct differences in appearance and functionality.
[General Topics] cascabel:
I never did want to dislike apple the way i do now. I did buy a 3gs. But the way they're handling things right now is repulsive. They even think the people who buy their stuff can't distinguish an Iphone from a samsung phone? C'mon. Even my mom knows the diff. And she's definitely not into smart phones.
[General Topics] bobkingsley:
Apple nothin new

Apple wants to re gain their maret share by suing competitors, but they do not bring out any new stuff recently
[General Topics] Minions:
This is just one of those fights that is never going to end. I could see google taking on a similar fight. I actually hope that they do take on apple at some point as that could be interesting to watch.
[General Topics] bestandroiddev:
S

What would Apple be like if steve was still here?
[General Topics] Protibus:
I think Apples intent is to take on Android in general. I would think Google is in the background watching the antics very closely. In the meantime more and more Android devices ate released, more polished and functional than the iPhone could ever hope to be.
[General Topics] got556:
I think Google is letting apple exhaust themselves and their resources while letting them use up all their trump cards. On top of that letting apple trip on its own d*ck per se without ever having to lift a finger.

When apple is all out of tactics Google will use everything they have to push apple back into the hole it was in prior to 07. DOJ might also not like Apple trying to monopolize the portable/mobile tech world which if android truly ceased....apple would not have any competition....windows phones included are not competitive.
[General Topics] rosenbs:
Steve said he will fight Android till the end because they stole his idea, bit in the truth android development started before IOS development, it was just started with a small budget (before google acquired it) and therefore IOS was release first
[General Topics] thebobp:
Well, hopefully this trial invalidates some of their patents, leaving for fewer defenses against motorola's recent filing. I suspect that's the long term plan to force some sort of patent pool.
[General Topics] grawkiller73:
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/08/18/0647242/google-seeks-us-ban-on-iphones-ipads-macs

Article: http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...les-new-patent-case-against-apple-at-itc.html

LOL
[General Topics] pee41:
" Apple picked a fist fight. Motorola/Google had a knife and told Apple to back off. Apple instead charged and now got stabbed"

LOL.
[General Topics] H2O Rip:
On one hand, it's really a shame that these lawsuits are even happening at all.

On the other, in terms of $ spent (on lawyers), I suspect apple is getting a nice little marketing campaign on the cheap here. Unless they lose of course. But, considering their stock valuation, it seems the market isn't betting against them.
[General Topics] MissionImprobable:
Actually, this is helping Samsung's notoriety, not Apple's. These lawsuits show that Apple see's Samsung's offerings as viable and worthy competitors to their iDevices. Apple is also showing that they don't have any answer but to litigate, so perhaps Samsung is now the way to go. Even some of Apple's long-time lovers are tiring of all this.
[General Topics] averygagaanroid:
I'll be celebrating hard when Samsung loses. If they win I just dont care since I dont own any iPhone.

Pathetic Samsung is just pathetic.
[General Topics] imfromwales:
You brighten up my day you comical thing!
[General Topics] droideastcoast:
I think Droids like's Apple's as Droid's are eating up Apples Profit and hope to god Droid eats all the Apples and Apple will no longer be around.

Cant wait for that to happen.
[General Topics] :
Yep, the Apple fanboy brigade turning into trolls is a good sign that they recognize their object of affection's end of nigh.

~~~Sent from my sphincter using the memory of Steve Jobs influence the content.~~~~
[General Topics] Shaky156:
Lol apples going downnnn!
[General Topics] md1008:
I think Apple is really scared of the success of Android. In the beginning Android wasn't polished so I think Apple sort of saw android like the generic version of iPhone. Now in 2012 Androids have improved a lot and now many people who would other wise favor Apple are wanting and getting Androids. Apple doesn't like to play nice, they see competition as enemies. I am thinking that Apple just assumed when the first iPhone came out that it would dominate like it did with the iPod...This is not Apple vs. Samsung this is Apple vs Android. Apple I believe is going after the largest OEM to make an example...
[General Topics] Jeffail:
I've been impressed in the past when patent cases such as these, where companies are clearly just abusing the system, are treated with common sense by the judges and are discarded. It's disappointing that in this circumstance the common sense approach applied seems to be to drag this out indefinitely, regardless of the fact that the winner is going to be almost purely the whim of the jury. Apple are clearly arrogant enough to see this to the end. I hope neither party are ruined at the end of this, just humbled and embarrassed.
[General Topics] m13k2:
i think that apple and Samsung should stop like think about you both have customer alllll over the world better than nothing who care about who stole what
[General Topics] klamboi:
I really don't think the Iphone 5 is going to be much different from the 4s. Honestly, Android is improving almost everyday. Developers are coming out with new technology on a wide range of devices where as apple only has one...and they added siri is about the only update on 4s from the 4 and maybe a few minor performance tweaks.

The patent war is so childish as well. I feel like both samsung and apple are fighting like children. They are trying to ban each other from countries but really, what's the point? They're going to get it anyways...If samsung wanted to, they could be the better company and let apple do their thing and embarrass themselves. samsung doesn't have to retaliate by stooping to their level, they should just build better products since Jobs is gone who is there to compete against?

If samsung started producing more products that will leave apple in the dust, more and more countries will probably stop supporting apple and switch over to android. That is my opinion, because apple is left with iphone 5 while samsung can surpass them with galaxies, nexus, googles, etc. Even sony is on the android bandwagon...

Both companies need to grow up though lol.

-K
[General Topics] thebobp:
This makes little sense. Yes, they don't have to retaliate, but it makes sense to retaliate.

The point is leverage. Without leverage, there is no real incentive for the other company to change their activities. Conversely, the more leverage you have over the other other company, the more incentive they have to come to a favorable agreement. In this case, leverage, unfortunately, means being able to erode the other party's profits.
[General Topics] md1008:
I believe Samsung is improving with each new generation of smart phones. They have cemented a place in their highand low end smart phones. Last year they penetrated the prepaid market with the bare bones smart phone that most average people are more than content with. Screen size 3.5-3.7, 1GHZ processor, Front Face Camera. This makes perfect sense for those who want a smart phone with basic features but don't want to drop 500+.

On the high end they released the Galaxy s 2 and 3 which have sold very well, the GS3 apparently sold over 10 million. The note was also a big success. I know I sure enjoy the hell out of my SGS3.

Apple on the other hand seems stale the 4s was hardly anything to write home about. Still same form factor, still boring OS. Sure it has a faster processor. I doubt the 5 or the "the new" iphone will be anything special. Apple I willt say has been trying to go after the budget consumer by still suporting the iPhone 3gs even though it's 3 years old. Only problem is that is only a GSM phone so no Verizon or Sprint. Not to mention it has no front face screen, the processor lags with ios 5(soon to be 6). If Apple really wanted to go after budget consumers they would do what Samsung is doing... They are not they don't care.

Samsung inovates where as Apple is stagnant. I hope the new iphone is innovative and something special I really do. The better the iPhone is the more improvements all smart phones will be. I believe the reason why Android has improved so much as it was trying to beat the iPhone. iPhone has been rather complacent and it's a shame the iFans don't see that yet...well most of them don't