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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
You definitely are. I don't have to OC. it is smooth and snappy. with ICS roms, I have to oc to make it as smooth as H0tw1re's CM10.

I think everyone will agree with me. Never ever going back to ICS

PS: I don't use my phone to play games. I use it for work
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Mechapanda:
I'm only overclocking to 1674 myself. I did 1836 back on ics because i could but that was unstable at first on jb, and 1674 has been fine so i hadn't overclocked back to 1836

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] griffinj:
Very smooth

My experience has been fantastic with this ROM. I don't really play games on my phone anymore, so there may be lag there that I haven't seen yet.

I do use the crap out of my phone at work, though, and everything I needed it for (play music through Poweramp, several uses of google now for gps navigation and calls while driving (earbuds with mic), extensive use of Maps, the Internet Browser (I use Quick ICS), adding shortcus to the lockscreen, wifi use, tons of emails with Kaiten.....it all stood up to a heavy day at work and not a single force close or reboot, or any sense of lag for that matter. Only issue I had was not the greatest battery life, but I was getting that with the previous ROM I was on as well.

I installed this via the new cwm; I flashed the ROM, the internal kernal (didn't know we weren't supposed to?), and Gapps in this order after wiping cache, davlik, and factory reset.

There are a few little things here and there (lockscreen "bubble" or whatever it's called not being centered, especially after switching to a lower dpi), but I could care less about that at this early stage. Somehow we have an extremely functional CM10 Jelly Bean only a couple weeks after release.

I have not OC/UV anything yet, and don't see any reason to with the performance I am getting.

Color me VERY impressed :good:

THANK YOU h0tw1r3!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
Lag SUCKS

I've tried stock CPU speeds as well as overclocking to 1726 MHz. Both settings yield the same amount of lag. I haven't played any games in Jelly Bean yet; my experience has just been with the UI (animations, swiping, scrolling, zooming and panning, etc..). When you say you agree with me on hardware acceleration, are you also confirming that you've experienced noticeable lag? I mean, of course it isn't as bad as Gingerbread but it's definitely noticeable and much worse than ICS.

Thank you for your insight. Can you post the steps you took to install this ROM to ensure that I did nothing different than you to get the unfortunate results I'm getting? I did a wipe/factory reset, I wiped the cache, I formatted /system, I wiped Dalvik and Battery Stats, then I flashed the CM10 build #3 from the 30th of July, followed by the JB gapps-7-26 then wiped Dalvik again and rebooted. Anything different about that than what you did?

What kernel/ROM combo did you previously have installed before going to this version of CM10? Also, which build have you flashed? The one dated July 30th?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Mechapanda:
Well first of all, try 1674 oc and try changing the sampling rate to 20000 if you use the ondemand governor. I don't have experience with the others, i also personally use the sio scheduler. And about the hardware acceleration, i don't just mean about lag. It's bigger than that. As far as i know, maybe this is just me trying to find meaning where it isn't, over-thinking things.. But i believe that YouTube doesn't work completely because of hardware acceleration not working. The only dissatisfying thing I've come across was opening folders on my home screen but that is very minimal, the phone hardly ever lags for me.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Mechapanda:
You'll never find a happy place if you don't toy around and change the phone, this isn't an iDevice from Apple.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
Excuse me?

Did you intend that to be as abrasive as it sounded? I haven't once indicated that I'm reluctant to tamper with my phone, nor have I indicated that I'm ignorant and afraid of power like Apple followers. I switched from an iPhone to this device because i WANT to change my phone and am denied that ability by Apple. No one else has made mention of having to change other settings yet in this ROM to get the great performance they claim to be getting so if they aren't having to change settings, then what would make me have to if we're all flashing the exact same data to our phones, byte for byte?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] griffinj:
Hi, I was on CP1 from the Collective team before this one. That's another great ROM, just been waiting for JB and the expected "USB Audio Out" it will supposedly bring (to get higher quality sound from the device when using an external DAC).

I flashed the July 30th build, the one with the dash in the filename (apparently there were two released within a several hours of each other).

I also flashed his "internal" kernal after the ROM, then the Gapps (I'm using the inverted one from http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1797292 , be sure to thank him of course if you use it)

At this stage, I would recommend redownloading everything, checking all files' md5, and reinstall via TWRP. Even though I didn't use it (I used the newest cwm), I have it installed now and it's quite nice. I installed all files from the INTERNAL sd card.

Also, let the device really settle in after installation. I don't know what your particular install went like, but I always try to give the ROM several minutes to set itself up before even entering my Google account info at the boot-up wizard. And after that I let the phone sit for a while, until I don't see any more downloading/uploading on the network symbol. Not sure if it's necessary, but it can take anywhere from 10-30 minutes it seems. Again, may not be necessary, but I like knowing I gave it its best chance at success.

Really hope you can get this running, as it is quite nice.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
I really appreciate your thorough response. I'll be thanking you after submitting this reply.

I allow newly flashed OS's to initialize as well before using them so I've followed your step in that regard. Let me try using the internal-kernel even though it's been stated that it's not necessary. I have verified md5 hashsums of the ROM so I know that's in order. I used TWRP for a while and went back to CWM to use ROM manager. I'll give it another try if flashing the kernel doesn't make a difference.

Thanks again for your help! I'll let you know how it goes. The ROM runs OK, but the smoothness of graphics performance is less than that of ICS so you can imagine why I'm so bummed!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Wintersdark:
+1 Internets for knowing the now somewhat dated but awesome (if I do say so myself) reference.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Mechapanda:
Rofl everyone's phone is different. Everyone uses their phone differently. Not a lot of settings have direct hits on performance. But using a live wallpaper, many active widgets on your home screen, do have direct effects on ram available. Some want speed and don't care for battery, some want battery length and don't give a hoot about speed. The moment you get your hands on it, you change settings, personalize it.

And don't get me wrong, no one on this forum needs to specify that they aren't afraid of tampering with their phone. If you were, you probably wouldn't be here.. on this forum, sub-forum, thread.

Sent from Outer Space
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
I suppose you're right. You don't likely even know what XDA is if you've never thought beyond the scope of what your phone does in a stock state. Even without any LWP's or widgets, just the clean home screen when the ROM first boots, there's lag when you swipe back and forth through pages of the home screen. Scrolling is God-awful in web pages with more than just text and two pictures. It's certainly not "buttery" smooth. More like cat-tongue smooth.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ltilt2:
Wipe Data, chache, format system, wipe dalvik. Flash latest CM10 then Inverted gapps.

these are the steps I take to flash H0tw1re's CM10.

On performance, I changed it to Smartass and no OCing.

System Settings, Developer Options, Window, Transition, Animation Duration, I have checked all to .5x
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rohankb:
@thair don't install that internal kernel. H0tw1r3 only did that on the first release because he amended the kernel or the first jb he did didn't include it. But this release does have the latest kernel which runs better then the first included already.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] stgeorge88:
Can confirm here that LTE switch is working well!

Give it a while to switch btwn network modes (about 10 secs) then u can check which network mode u r connected to in "about phone -> status-> mobile network type"

My notification bar displays 4G when it's LTE and 3g or H otherwise
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] griffinj:
For sure! I should also have stated that I use Apex, did not Tibu anything, have only 1 widget at this time (circle launcher), and scrolling is smooth.

I'm actually thinking of reflashing just so I don't use his older kernal, but don't want to screw up how well it's already running. Good luck, let us know how it goes!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
Is Netflix working for anyone on this rom?

Sent from the TermiNOTEr! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
Thanks. I wasn't too keen on trying that anyways because I knew that a newer version was already integrated. I'm just getting desperate in finding out why my installations of this ROM won't come out smooth like Project Butter. I mean, it's not that there is a hardware issue with my device because CM9 is pretty damn smooth. I know it's software related but I don't exactly know which element is causing it because I've done the exact same thing everyone else who is having success has done and nothing different. Is there some old data somewhere that needs to be wiped that wouldn't be in either /system, /data, /cache, and Dalvik? Do you have any insight on this issue?

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I'm sure you already know this, but just make a Nandroid of your current configuration and then give the new kernel a try! Even the kernel configuration is preserved in a Nandroid backup. Let me know if it changes anything significantly!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] android4545:
Has anyone with the kernel it works with tried the fast charging feature?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] griffinj:
Yep, just cleared cache and davlik, then reinstalled the ROM followed by Gapps (inverted) via TWRP.

It's smoother than with the old kernal I was using, now I'm even more impressed.

I switched to the default launcher and you know what? It does seems jittery/ laggy, especially while scrolling.

Try Apex and see how that works for ya
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Shdowalker:
Mine only plays audio (black screen) everything else opens and works with the app.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ygong:
Hmm google now worked for about an hour and now its just crshing everytime i open it

Youtube seems to not work for me right now

But i cant go back to ics because of this butter thing going on
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
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YES!! Finally someone else has noticed! Lol. I don't mean to cheer for your misfortune. It's just good for someone to relate. I use Nova and although it was slightly better, it was still laggier than normal as well. But I don't think it's just the launcher, rather the entire UI framework because even panning and scrolling in other applications lag as well.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rohankb:
I am no guru on Android, just the little I first learned right here on XDA coming to Android from a blackberry about 4 months now. So someone else more versed then me can help in that aspect. I have an IT background and some Linux administration as to why some things I do grasp but never got into the whole programming of these, (not yet).

I will say I came from CM9 of h0tw1r3 and jumped to CM9 Nightlies when he kind of slowed down on releases, then I just cleared cache/dalvik and came to this rom, never did a full wipe. Hate setting up all my apps all over, and I knew a lot of things you would have to pick out one by one in TiBu to restore app data.

Now to everyone else, I noticed on the front page of XDA today they were talking about stress testing your device, and they made mention of this app

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.into.stability

You can test your undervolting and overclocking to see what setting best works for you.

Here's the article

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/undervolt-any-sensation-kernel/

and here's the forum link

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1743055

I know it is for the Sensation but it still applies to us who are using this CM10 and Overclocking and Undervolting, hey I learned a thing or two.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] dafoxs:
Also clear battery stats

Send from my beaned out note using XDA premium.

Don't forget to hit the thanks button if someone helps or tries to help you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
So you flashed CM10 over CM9 without wiping data or system??? If that works without error, then maybe that would fix my graphics stutter issue if the graphics driver for ICS remained in place for JB to use. I'm going to try and see what happens.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rohankb:
Yes I didnt wipe data, just wiped cache and dalvik.

Now I am running Apex Launcher and have the 3 settings under Developer Options set to 0.5x like the other poster mentioned.

I am overclocked at 1836, on OnDemand and under sdcard in systuner have it set to SIO and 4096.

Under SysCtl, I am using recommended settings.

Not undervolting anymore but may try some again with this stability test.

If that helps you at all.

I wish everyone else would post what settings work best for them as well to share with each other as to whats working best on their Note.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
Empirical Proof

Here's some empirical proof that my JB installation is wacky. My Quadrant scores in ICS CM9 are upwards of 3400. I just tested in JB with a 1684 overclock and it was a pathetic 2445!! SOmething is TERRIBLY wrong. Can other users post their Quadrant scores for this ROM to see if their issues are consistent?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
Thanks for the info. Can you run a Quadrant benchmark and post the result? If you haven't seen my post yet, my score is at 2445 in Jelly Bean; 1000 points lower than in ICS!! There's a problem somewhere...

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Also, when you flashed this JB CM10 ROM over the CM9 ICS installation, did you flash the Jelly Bean gapps as well?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rohankb:
I will post one from ICS and from this ROM. but I know I ran one yesterday, was about 3400. When I was on ICS I was at 3900 and once hit 4000.

I'm on the phone right now and will amend this post in a sec.

And yes I flashed the JB gapps you have to, but I also flashed an inverted gapps from another post on here. I hate bright colored apps, like my Note dark as hell, lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
Damn... Why the **** is mine so low??!

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OK. I just tried flashing the CM10 over my normally functioning CM9 and surprisingly enough it updates you to JB without any errors but after running quadrant, I was still at 2600. Do I have a defective ARM chip or something??

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I'm going to try the CM10-based ParanoidAndroid ROM just in case. I think h0tw1r3's base is still used for that ROM so I'll probably still have the same issue but it's worth trying. I'll let you know.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rohankb:
Have you overclocked and what are your settings? Have you tried changing your sdcard settings? Set it to SIO and 2048 for starters. Do this stuff in System Tuner. Also under sysctl in System Tuner set the recommended settings. THEN in boot settings, I have set all those to On boot completed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
I've tried nearly every frequency and haven't gotten anymore than 200 extra points in Quadrant. I usually keep it around 1726 MHz. I'll try the recommended sysctrl settings and the SIO setting you mentioned but I doubt those will be significant enough to bump my qudrant score up 1000 points. And the SD card configuration wouldn't affect UI graphical performance so it's not exactly related to my problem. I'll give it a shot though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] griffinj:
Oh it's okay lol, not really a big misfortune since it's running great with Apex and that's what I normally use.

Now about Quadrant...some people will get pretty worked up in here about the numbers not equating to true performance, which I agree with, so we will tread carefully on this. I will say that I just ran it and my device scored a 2760.

Once again, I really don't care about this score because I am very happy with the ROM, but I am confirming your Quadrant score with my own device.

You should try Apex and see if it works better for you! I have zero scrolling issues in the browser (Quick ICS) or on the homescreens/apps. So even though my quadrant score is lower than I've had in the past, the phone feels like it's performing at least as good as it has in the past, if not better. Only now with some great new JB additions like the expanded notification bar and Google now.

I should also note that I am using the Pro version of Apex and under the Advanced tab I have the box checked that says "keep in memory". I dunno, maybe that's helping
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mowiemark:
Mine results were considerably better than yours

To be honest though I never put much stock in benchmarks. I just judge the smoothness of the rom and to me this rom is really smooth.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
I normally don't let Quadrant results have much value either but the fact that the scores are proportional with my performance drop makes them more significant to me. Do you not notice "Gingerbread-like" lag in all o the native apps as well such as the Play Store? It's not jut one launcher or app, but EVERYTHING. Apex stutters too, especially when I make the app drawer background transparent like I like to. ICS has no problem handling that setting but JB does. I may just stick to ICS for now until later releases where something relevant to this issue has been explicitly addressed. If it never works on my phone, then I guess I have a bad chip and I'll buy an SIII or the Note 2 if it's available. It's just so frustrating that we ALL have the EXACT SAME DEVICE and are loading the EXACT SAME ROMS onto our phones and getting different results.

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2700 is still pretty low though in JB considering ICS usually gets north of 3300-3400 and JB is supposed to be faster and more efficient.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mowiemark:
True but we are still in an Alpha build for one. On the second point I would put this rom on my phone against any ICS build I had on here as far as smoothness and overall performance feel. Heck Quadrant probably isn't even optimized for JB yet either.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
You're right. According to the technical information about Project Butter regarding VSync, the video tests in Quadrant that show the FPS in the bottom corner should be significantly higher once it is optimized. I just am not getting the smoothness like everyone else for whatever reason so I'm going to have to use ICS for now. If anyone who has a smooth working install of Jelly Bean though and is willing to upload, I'd like to try and flash someone else's Nandroid to my phone and see just for the **** of it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] wase4711:
that would be a real mistake...restoring someone else's nand should never really be done..

Quadrant is not a indicator of ANTHING in JB, since its not even released officially, so stop obsessing over those scores.

If your phone is running like ****, format system, wipe everything clean, and install the rom then the GAAPS.

Dont restore anything from TB or any other backup program; fresh download your stuff from the market. Reboot a couple of times, and then see how it is. Your expectations may be too high for an Alpha Rom, and, remember, most of the people posting here are probably exaggerating how "silky smooth" their phone is; plus, what is silky smooth for someone else, may be slow and choppy to you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] thair7391:
Maybe you're right but I've already done everything that you've suggested. What I don't understand is how you can exaggerate the smoothness of the ROM if the ICS CM9 ROM runs 5 times smoother. Unless everyone commending the smoothness came straight from Gingerbread, if they are experiencing the exact same thing that I am then they would definitely notice a DECREASE in performance and there would be NO WAY that you could perceive it to be better at all, much less exaggerate it. I am aware that this is an Alpha ROM and have accepted that, as I mentioned so in my original post, but everyone else with the same device is using the same alpha ROM WITHOUT issues so that's why this is significant. Otherwise I would just say, "Whatever it's an alpha ROM I'll wait for a later release." And as far as different interpretations of smoothness go, that doesn't really matter since my performance in ICS was silky smooth but I got a DROP in performance with JB. A drop is a drop no matter how you interpret it and with JB, it should have only improved. You're kind of diminishing my situation and it's quite bothersome. I'm not an idiot and I know how to troubleshoot many things on my own without troubling other forum users. This is a very peculiar and inconsistent situation though so that's why I'm trying to gather other opinions. I'm not obsessing over the scores, as essentially, perceived performance is all I'm really concerned about but it IS significant that the scores are proportional with that lowered perceived performance. That's why I'm mentioning them. But as I said, I have wiped EVERYTHING clean completely and installed ROM then GAPPS in that order and even at the homescreen of the base, clean ROM right when it boots up (no thrid party apps or widgets or TiBu restores), there is still terrible lag in all parts of the UI. Please don't criticize me as though I'm an idiot if I haven't said anything to look like an idiot. (I'm sure you'll use the Nandroid backup idea against me but I was using it as a last resort and am fully aware why it is not an optimal idea or method of OS deeployment)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rohankb:
Here is my quadrant from this rom

Then this is from ics

But like the other poster said. Quadrant isn't an indication as this has a lot of holes to mend but if the rom feels smooth and apps are running great then awesome. Personally ICS does seem slower to me then this but I could be wrong. I went back to ICS the day before he dropped the camera addition 2 days ago from a nandroid and it wasn't as smooth as how this feels.

This remains my daily driver now that I have a cam, that's all I was missing, everything else as far as apps crashing that others are complaining about, I don't frequent. So they are not priority for my personal tastes

Also wanted to add, if you look at the differences in the quadrants, you can see the noticeable differences in memory, I/O and 3D.

So can tweak a lil more and see where I can make improvements like in the zRAM if that will do anything.