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[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/5720517/Land-Rover-unveils-worlds-toughest-phone.html

wait. its a land rover.
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
..

What the hell is that?

1500 hours? 150°C?

Whoever tops this wins :)

Sent from my Incredible S
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
hahaha imagine if our phone had 1500 hour battery life !
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
But, its probably stand by, if you don't touch it

Mines been going for nearly 3 days on one charge, and I've used it for a while for music, games, xda, internet

It would last weeks if I didn't touch it

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[HTC Incredible S] incrediblealex:
Are you guys going to be watching any Olympics? It starts on Friday in London
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
Teamed up with Sonim(one of the best phone companies who build tough phones), no wonder :cool:

Here's Tom Dickson of Will It Blend show blending the Sonim XP3300 Force: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt1fNKhQdKk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
No, I'm more the soccer-guy;D Don't really care about running and jumping or whatever:D
[HTC Incredible S] vieose:
I need a girlfriend. ._.
[HTC Incredible S] Epic.:
Ahaaaaaahaaaaaa
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Probably because it hasnt been on for 4 years, its on 8 hd channels here on foxtel :) im into tennis so I will be watching some of that

Nathan has a sister, although you're a bit far away..

Sent from my Nexus 7
[HTC Incredible S] MrToastbrot:
Hey there. What time is it at your home? Actually, im in holidays and i cant sleep, so im on xda with my incredible incs ;) its 00.50 at night
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
at the time you wrote that post. 8:50 AM

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL. only problem is that shes 13 ;S
[HTC Incredible S] itsbeertimenow:
Hello thread.
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
oh, then silversniper sorry but you'll have to go out or something

Hello :) Welcome to this thread

Sent from my Incredible S
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
So guys... whats up?

Anyone got any thoughts/impressions about the new Virtuous rom?
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
no quicksettings ;o !!!!
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Yeah, but like they said, they are working on fixing things and getting things to work, before adding new features/tweaks

It will probably come, they are looking at a particular mod from the one X I think I saw on the rootz thread
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
Ok lets make a new topic. What is your last mobile phone (not smartphone)?

My last was the Sony Ericsson W995 :D
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Mine was Sony Ericsson W705 :D

I wanted the C905 which had a really good camera for the time, and probably for now

But it was too expensive, so I settled for the W705

I have always been looking for audio quality and camera quality in my phones

This is my first android phone, the nexus is my first tablet :)

I sometimes go back to the SE, its trustworthy and usually holds better reception than our phone

How was the W995? Thats the one with the stand/ring holder thing, isn't it? How was camera and audio compared to the HTC?
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
Walkman was the best back then :cool:
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
No. Koala Fish Chunks.
[HTC Incredible S] Epic.:
No Kentucky Fried Chicken.
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
No. CFC. Chloro-flouro carbon.
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Lol I will try to stay away

Thanks for the life advice mate

That doesn't sound too good...

Sent from my Nexus 7
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
Hayfever season come for anyone in Melbourne ?
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Uh oh :/

Not for me yet *touch wood*

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[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
dude its bad for me this time. i feel like absolute crap
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Do you take anything for it?

I take telfast they are tablets and sort of work I like overdose on bad days and still get hayfever

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[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
no i dont take anything. i should though. i can feel my eyes getting puffy :((
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
You should try telfast

Comes in either a red/white or green/white box

Its like less than 50c per tablet

And its cheapest at chemist warehouse if you are close to one

Sent from my Incredible S
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
That leads to sore eyes, right? If your eye lens get puffy, you got CATARACS!
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
Yeah ill be close to one Tuesday when I go home from my dads so if there not better by then ill go grab some. Thanks dude :)
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Real one

Generic one which is usually cheaper and works just as well

Good luck with them

I can't believe I just recommended hayfever tablets on an android developers forum lol
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
LOL. it is off topic ;p
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
Open gangnam style! O-o-op-open gangnam style!
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
lol its not cataracts! nice. HAHA sent from potato chips using boost xD
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Guess it is then :)

A google search of 'open gangnam style' brought this up

Is this what you are referencing?
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
Yup. It's a cool kpop music vid. You should check it out on youtube.
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
LMFAOOOO !!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL

You listen to this? Did you see the kid at the start? You guys are making me laugh at a screen again
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Radio doesn't matter. What is in the zip? I forgot
[HTC Incredible S] james1196:
I'll go on PC and check brb

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boat

other

BlackRose_IS.exe
[HTC Incredible S] ePYK me.:
Best link to read about v6 supercharger?

I know nothing about it!

Sent from my A-spade
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Click the exe with your device connected

Look at my sig
[HTC Incredible S] james1196:
do i have disk drive, fastboot usb or usb debug charge only? kk dw i got it but in process it said failed to check something?? How do I know if I have it?
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
My battery is weird...

Sent from my Incredible S
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
What are you trying to do, and what are you doing?

Mine does that occasionally
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
because you charged it?
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Lol mine does it when it reboots or charges. Or when i flash a new ROM

But, my nexus 7 sometimes goes up slightly... No idea why

Whats up, Nathan?

Sent from my Asus Nexus Unicorn
[HTC Incredible S] james1196:
I plug in and put on debugging and open black rose IS exe file and it started installing
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
hey man :D

actually booking a appointment to go to chadstone and get my phone swapped over HAHAHA this ios 6 is so ****. im demanding a iphone with 5.1.1 so i can jailbreak it and have 2 days of battery life :D
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Did it install? Are there instructions in the thread or in the forum? There are instructions from Nik in the dev section
[HTC Incredible S] james1196:
Now do I kno if it worked? It said it failed something...
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
If you go to bootloader it will say blackrose or revolutionary

If it didn't work, there is plenty of info on how to do it around. I don't remember how to do it exactly right now, sorry
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
someone reccomend me a good rom. im bored. and i feel like flashing something and im over jelly bean
[HTC Incredible S] james1196:
You could try neelgangrade z8 ROM

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Hey mark here's a link from nik I found.. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1685815 . Can I get the pg...... file and put on root of SD and go into boot loader? Wtf I find the file and its called miui icons mod ..... her BTW the PC way of doing it says una me to find device model..
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Nice man, i was there the other day :) its crazy busy atm because of Christmas lol

Apple have really gone downhill since Steve jobs passed

Sorry man, i cant remember. Google it. If its miui icons then its probably wrong...

Isn't that a kanged version of the kang ROM? It shouldn't be advertised here, its in the same position as those Chinese kang ROMs. Sorry.

Try Venom 1.2.0 :) its good

Sent from my Asus Nexus Unicorn
[HTC Incredible S] james1196:
I would but I'm kinda over venom I used it for ages when it came out.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
No, I'm actually full of love and kindness, people just don't see it;D

Thanks, I'll check that out:)
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
No love for those themes :P

The latest build is super quick

I haven't tried xylon though, the only build we have is an unofficial one and it doesn't have the build optimisations of AOKP

Sent from my Asus Nexus Unicorn
[HTC Incredible S] james1196:
Oh + nik says just run the .bat file where is the bat fule . Its in the link I sent you.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Alrighty then, download finished, christmas tree is standing, so I'm gonna try AOKP now.
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Another day trying to get my snowmobile running, another day of failures...
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
Any smokers here?
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Haven't bought a pack in over a week, and haven't smoked since thursday, but except for that...

Yea?
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
depends on how drunk I am.
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
Haha. :P How much does a packet cost there in Germany?
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Do you guys have laws against smoking?

Because, this is what our cigarette packets look like

*WARNING, DISTURBING*
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
You have to be 16+ to smoke here.

Package looks like this, just a warning that it's bad and a picture.

Sent from my Incredible S
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
That'd be how the package looks for the cigarettes I smoke :)

"Rökning dödar" = "Smoking kills"
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
I think about 4€. Not sure though, I never buy some for myself, just taking from others:D
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
So you guys don't have disturbing images that give children nightmares

I don't smoke either
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
Some packages have pictures like this but that's it.

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€4 is quite cheap, €5 for a package of 19 Marlboro's here.
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
They cost heaps here, the government have put taxes on taxes on them to drive the price up so people don't buy them
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
Yeah, I've read something about cigarettes costing 15$+ in Australia.
[HTC Incredible S] james1196:
Her they do some are 20 or more

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This is annoying me now.. I click install.bat whilst debug on and charge only. It open ad then closes straight away. Nothing happens
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC7nyRxVvk4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gl1QRh4vI8
[HTC Incredible S] james1196:
Thanks for links but I already tried the method and it says cant find device model. I'll flash another ROM and try again. Probably a sense one.

edit : says i have blackrose now :) new rom fixed it.. Now i gotta get 4ext

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What 4ext do you use I need good one if possible
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
Smoking is bad. My grand uncle got lung cancer from smoking :(

Sent from my magic orb. Not kidding.
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
From the website. Grab the latest img and fastboot flash recovery name of it.img

Sorry to hear that man

Sent from my Asus Nexus Unicorn
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
I'm sorry too

Sent from my magic orb. Not kidding.
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
aww :(

So, new topic: What kind of food is in the house for christmas?

I'll start: Christmas ham

christmas pudding

cheese cake for dessert tomorrow

gingerbread men/trees/bells
[HTC Incredible S] itsbeertimenow:
Turkey and... Beer.
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Haha trust you...

Guys take pictures of Christmas meals and post them :)
[HTC Incredible S] MrToastbrot:
My parents would look confused when I take out my mobile phone during the meal and take a photo... ;)
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
I always take pictures

In fact at family things everyone takes pictures
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
I'll be eating with my family and I have no idea what we're going to eat. :P

Sent from my Incredible S
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Like every year, sausages and potato salad. And tmr my mom tries cooking turkey for the very first time - Gotta be interesting:D
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Turkey is Christmas food :) Something I look forward to about christmas is the family lunch and dinner, and the food :D
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
I expected pizza, but we're going to eat somewhere else instead of home so...meatballs (Swedish, not those huge weird things that the Americans call meatballs) and potatoes.

At least I don't have to eat all that Christmas food;)
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Pizza and meatballs are good :)

You don't like Christmas food? I like it, you have problems sir
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
Meatballs like the ones they sell in IKEA? :D
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
He said Swedish meatballs, so I guess yeah;) Love those things!:)
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
I used to eat them a lot, but now I barely eat them. :( Köttbullar!
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Yum! My friend just came back from Italy and he said that meatballs in Australia do not compare to the real ones in Italy. Anyone here from Italy?
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
I've been to Italy a couple of times but I never ate meatballs there, always pizza or pasta. :3
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Did you find it that much better?
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
I've had some really good pizza's and pasta in Italy, and I really like Italian food. :D
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
A friend of mine went to Italy because of students exchange... I could ask her. If I don't forget to. Which is high possible. :D
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
Ofcourse there is nothing better then a good portion of fries and a good piece of meat.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Of course there is. TWO portions of fries and TWO good pieces of meat. #Burn :D
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
No idea, never bought food in IKEA.

Pizza> Christmas food.

So much fish and sh*t for Christmas food, I'm allergic to fish:p
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
True! :D
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
So do I, pasta is my favourite and pizza is creeping up my favourite food list :)

Yeah same, my friend went for a month

LOLOL

I LOVE SEAFOOD

Sent from my Asus Nexus Unicorn
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Well, do you like putting fishsticks in your mouth?
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
I love fish sticks! Really. I always have, dunno why

I pretty much like anything seafood except for mussels and oysters. They're too strong in flavour for me.

I'll post some Christmas seafood pics tomozz :) gonna go to sleep now, night everyone
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
Goodnight. :D

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[HTC Incredible S] MrToastbrot:
Crap. I hate my Computer.

Was copying 900gb of files to my external hd. In the middle of the copyjob, I accidently restarted my computer and the copy was cancelled.

And this happened twice today. Stupid windows, remind me that I'm copying files and don't just restart!

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[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
900GB o.O

Sent from my Incredible S
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
... or you could just stop restarting your computer while copying files? :D
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
I love it whem I'm to late at the bus stop and the bus is also late so I don't miss him.

Sent from my Incredible S
[HTC Incredible S] MrToastbrot:
I installed my printer driver and accidently clicked yes when the installer asked for a restart...

EDIT: the same happened again. F*** you Windows!! :mad:

I love it too... :)
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
But now I missed the next one...

Sent from my Incredible S
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
And now to the next big question; why the f**k are you installing drivers and copying huge amounts of data to an external drive at the same time?

Some things, like this, are things you should not do at the same time because of what you just experienced...

*edit*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz82PZu3loU

I just bought that game. 90% off, that's my gift for myself :D
[HTC Incredible S] MrToastbrot:
Lesson learned... :silly:
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Drivers usually require a reboot;)
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
What are you, a gay fish? ;)

I guess that should do it :D
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
I actually like fishsticks as well. :P

Sent from my Incredible S.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
So you're a gay fish ;D
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
I'm confused here... gay, by which definition?
[HTC Incredible S] MrToastbrot:
Yes. But every driver setup asks if you want to restart or not. And the Driver I installed, just restarted after I clicked finish... ;)

And about gay: I think he means that it's gay when you put fish sticks in your mouth... ;)
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
I have to take a plane all by meself for the first time on wednesday, quite scary. :/

Sent from my Incredible S.
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Bad luck, I guess;)

But now we're back to where we started; define gay.

Gay has lots of definitions.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
It's a joke from South Park... Didn't expect that no one knows it:P
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
I don't watch south park.

But still, gay as in...? ;)
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
I love it:D Gay as in 2 male fish loving each other? in a sexual way?

The joke goes like this:

A: Do you like fishsticks?

B: Yes, I like fishsticks.

A: Do you like putting fishsticks in your mouth?

B: Ehm... Yes, I think so...

A: What are you, a gay fish?

*laughter*
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Gay can mean a lot of things ;)

That was just... boring.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
I know, but I thought it would be clear in this situation. ;)

Yeah, the joke is not really funny but the series is awesome:D
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
The joke was bad, the series is bad and you should feel bad for liking it.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Well, I guess you're just too old for it.
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Nah, I've never liked it.

Although, Simpsons and Family Guy is awesome.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Simpsons is not so my thing. Just a few things are funny there. The movie was awesome though:D Family Guy is my 2nd favorite series, love it:)
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
But you like South Park?

I'll just leave it there.

On another note; I just sent a mail to those responsible for helping out people (like me) who wants to study abroad. Hopefully, they can help me.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Ehm yeah. 3rd favorite series - yeah I have a list ... kind of:D

Good luck mate, I also wanted to do that but there were some difficulties. Too bad, would have loved a year in Canada or in the US.
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
We'll just leave it there, okay?

Too bad, I just hope that I can go. Would be nice, one year in New Zealand (and probably not my most sober year..) :D
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
I never liked South Park, Family Guy or the Simpsons. :P
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Okay, let it go...

New Zealand is just stunning! Never been there but the countryside and everything is just aaaaaww... :D Good luck with that, it's the most asked place and also the most expensive. Here in Germany ... you don't have a "most sober year":D

You're too late, discussion is over:D
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
I can't find a comfortable position on my bed to sit with my laptop and it annoys me...
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
Happy christmas and a merry new year!

Sent from my magic orb. Not kidding.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
bummer :D

looks like someone had too much milk earlier;D
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Here in Sweden, we drink moonshine and have black spots in our memory that lasts for hours.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Apperently you're not better than us in that case:D
[HTC Incredible S] MrToastbrot:
I don't like the feeling if I have blackouts for some hours. It's just, I don't know what happened... :p
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
I still have no idea what I'm going to do with New Year's Eve. :(
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
It's just that you don't know if you have done sth stupid. I mean sth really stupid. :D
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Well, that's a matter of how you define "better"...
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
You don't drink less than us ;)
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Nah haha img just a guy who likes fish sticks :)

What's the fun in not remembering anything?

Guys, Merry Christmas to you and your families. Be sure to share stuff here :)

It's a good present to fill another thanks bar today :D

I hope everyone has a great day
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
That's a good tihng. It means we're more likely to die earlier because of liver failure.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Nothing;) That's the point. ... kind of.

Yeah merry christmas to you all, too!

I'm still not that sure if it's a good thing :D
[HTC Incredible S] MrSenne:
Goodnight everybody. :)
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Of course it is.

Less people = happier me ;)
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
good night;)

I'm still not sure about that:D
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Stop being such a pessimist!
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
I'm not a pessimist. I just don't hate people ;)
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
You're simply not aware of it yet...
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
aha. I'm curious.
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Go to bed, you'll find out soon enough.
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Merry Christmas lunch :)

Sent from my Infected ViperVivo
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
If there's no bacon, that lunch is boring.

Sent from my magic orb. Not kidding.
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
There was sooo much seafood

I'm pretty sure there wad bacon on top of the turkey lol

Now, dinner is next :)

Sent from my Infected ViperVivo
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
You're seasick now :rolleyes:

Sent from my magic orb. Not kidding.
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Yeah I am. Not. I'm on my way to Christmas dinner now :)

I opened my ipad today, user friendly my arse. I spent the last 5 minutes trying to change my wallpaper. Android for life

Sent from my Infected ViperVivo
[HTC Incredible S] MrToastbrot:
Hahahah you have to go into the settings app...

#FAIL: View attachment 1590604

Sent from my Nexus 7
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
I think my cat wants me to do something...
[HTC Incredible S] MrToastbrot:
To give her food maybe... ;)
[HTC Incredible S] naathaanb96:
merry christmas mofos <3
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Something like that, yes... I have her food, now she's quiet again:3
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
Merry christmas *****es.

Sent from my magic orb. Not kidding.
[HTC Incredible S] MrToastbrot:
Is anyone here playing Ingress?
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Nah mate, I'm busy trying to figure out how to use this iPad thing and spending time with family

Sent from my Infected ViperVivo
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Woke up. Still not getting it:D

Wow, dude, that's impressive:D
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
It was very impressive. That's the meal i look forward to every year. Now its gone for another year :(

Happy boxing day!

Sent from my Asus Nexus Unicorn
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
I'm liking my new avatar :cowboy:
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Yeah! We just had the South Park debate yesterday:D apperently I'm the only one liking it:P But we leave it like that:D
[HTC Incredible S] poondog:
Nice :) is it a bit late? I'm thinking about what I'm going to do for my new years avatar

Any ideas? Maybe add champagne and fireworks :D
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
Maybe I'll put an android avatar with sparkly costume. I'll be using androidify.

Sent from my magic orb. Not kidding.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
Mkaay. Splux, I get it now. People get crazy after 4 glasses of champagne. After 4! That's barely nothing... It's just super weird around here right now. dear gooood...
[HTC Incredible S] Splux:
Oh God, they should learn to drink.

4 glasses of champagne... that's like nothing.
[HTC Incredible S] WILLI120:
That's what I said, too...