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[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
I have both a Nexus 7 and an iPad 3, and I can say that they both have their advantages. App support is excellent on the iPad, and the screen is still superior, so I tend to use it for heavier browsing sessions, RSS reading, and a variety of apps that don't exist on Android (none of which are essential). However, the Nexus 7 is lighter and of course has the Android OS advantages, so I tend to use IT for ebook reading and general "what's going on in the world" kind off stuff.

It's nice to be able to own both, but if I were to be forced to choose one over the other, I'd go with the Nexus 7 if only because I like Android better than iOS (which really wastes an otherwise great tablet). Jelly Bean pretty much erased the "fluidity" advantage that that iPad has enjoyed over other Android tablets, letting the general usefulness of an Android tablet (widgets, file system access, etc.) really shine through.

I think if the Nexus 7 had come out the same year as the iPad, things would be different in the market. But of course the iPad has such a massive head start, it's going to be a long row to hoe for Android tablets.
[Nexus 7 General] Scythe024:
love this device! It's funny I bought my mom a New iPad for her bday because shes been wanting one for a long time now. I get my N7 a few days later and show her some of the cool stuff it does (ie:google now) and she was actually getting jealous of my device. For me I never been interested in the iPad, could u imagine dropping that on ur face in bed? lol
[Nexus 7 General] wynand32:
Honestly, I don't get this "dropping an ebook reader on your face" thing. I don't hold mine above my face when I'm reading, I rest it on my chest in portrait. The Nexus 7 is far more comfortable than the iPad even this way, but...
[Nexus 7 General] Scythe024:
i dont exactly read a whole book while holding it over my face, sometimes i just move and try to hold into different positions trying to get comfy or just a quick use and i dont want to prop myself up to use it lol.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
I really don't get the iPad's bad comments here. I happen to own a iPhone, iPod, iPad 1 2 and The New iPad, with the Retina display on and the A5X in on The New iPad, there's really no comparison... none! Dude! The Tegra 3 can't even out do the iPad 2's specs. Don't get me wrong, I love my Nexus S, Nexus Galaxy and my Nexus 7 to death, but that still doesn't give me the right to blast Apple or Google because I thank GOD Apple has Google on there backs, this just mean better technology for the end user in the end. So, only GOD can judge me and not you!
[Nexus 7 General] androidkid311:
Haha! I mean... Google have done a good job but I pad killer is a bit to far. I've had the I pad and have the nexus 7 and the ipad is better. Apps,screen,stability and sorry to say the cameras on it lol. As I said the nexus 7 is quality but has a lot of things missing to kill the ipad. :)
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
I disagree, I think the Nexus 7 is a true ipad killer.

Gaming is silky smooth, more so than the ipad3 as a lot of high end games struggle on the ipad3 due to the very high pixel ratio it has.

Jelly bean makes it silky smooth throughout the device,

The price alone makes it an ipad killer, I don't think anyone can justify paying more than double for the extras the ipad offers.

More storage, better screen (but as said, this is a negative for gaming) and a camera.

Nobody uses a rear facing camera on a tablet, who in their right mind would hold up a tablet in public to take any photo, never mind an average photo - we all have phones and actual cameras that does this & does it better.

If you can cope with the storage limitation, why pay double for nothing?

It's not like the Nexus7 is a bad screen, it's still HD resolution, in a 7inch format factor.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
I will have to greatly disagree. The New iPad, with that sexy Retina display you was just stepping on; wait, you must not own The New iPad because of the none facts above. With the Retina display it still outperforms Tegra 3 while still looking great with that great and unbeaten 2048 by 1536 resolution. Here take a look for yourself and read the facts http://www.redmondpie.com/a5-vs.-a5...-benchmarked-the-winner-is-rather-surprising/ Now, I'm not a fan boy, I'm just stating the truth! It helps me sleep better at night and gaming on my iPad has never been so smooth with the A5X chip.
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
Go try some high end games on the iPad3, it struggles because the GPU is not good enough for the high pixel density of the display.

So,whilst you get a high resolution screen - go check your gaming performance.

You can't honestly say you haven't seen as such.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Dude! I play these games everyday with no issues @ all. Do you have a iPad 3? Because I'm not getting lag at all! I'm going to stay on topic now because this is starting to make me feel like a fan boy when I'm not. Okay dude maybe it's that your in a Android spell, like you see lag in everything none Android. I've just given you the facts. Now, can you explain, how is there any lag in The New iPad when with the Retina display it outperformed the Tegra 3. I love my Nexus 7, but if the Nexus 7 was to be a iPad killer it would not be 200 bucks, but what you get with the Nexus 7 is a great bang for the buck!
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
I don't own them, but ive used them all.

Its quite simple,

Apple doubled the GPU cores in the iPad3 compared to iPad2. (x2)

However, the iPad3 is pushing out x4 the pixels compared to the ipad2.

Its not difficult to see that.

Games that run at the ipad3's native resolution will run slower than on the ipad2.

The trick that you might not be seeing, is quite a lot of games are not running at the native resolution of the ipad3, but are infact being upscaled.
[Nexus 7 General] kanzlerin:
Will be my ipad killer, too. I'm tired of schlepping the heavy unwieldy new iPad around and my needs are simple enough so that between the Nexus 7 and my trusted netbook, everything is already covered. I'm getting rid of my new ipad as soon as I'm home.
[Nexus 7 General] bballer71418:
Before anyone calls it an iPad killer, I think it needs to be more.widely available even in the US. When I walk info a bestbuy and see it for sale and marketed then we can talk about iPad killer. Right nos, not yet
[Nexus 7 General] Foxman2k:
You are correct. In fact there was a recent article about the new Macbook Pro's (with retina display) performance and the becnchmark revealed that even with the fairly high end GPU, it just couldn't keep up with the extra pixels it had to push. Same thing with the iPad 3.

Does the iPad 3 have a great screen? Of course, no one is denying that. Is the Nexus 7 screen close? Absolutely.
[Nexus 7 General] gavinfabl:
The new ipad is amazing and better than the 7 mainly due to iTunes and airplay and air video. But the ipad does cost more. Even though I have an ipad I prefer the 7.

I do wonder what Apple will be bringing out with the ipad mini. Comparing this when it's realised might be a fairer comparison.
[Nexus 7 General] Foxman2k:
Yeah Google definitely needs to get some quality TV marketing going to strike while the iron is hot.

Does anyone remember the absolutely aweful ad campaigns that Palm ran when the Pre was introduced?
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Lol...I'll bet you don't have a iPad 3, we don't believe you, you need more people. Post your pic of your New iPad please because I have Nexus 7 and there is no way shape or form I'm replacing my iPad with Retina display for anything on the market. BTW! here is my pic View attachment 1216477
[Nexus 7 General] rman726:
My problem is that the gaming selection absolutely blows on android. I got my Nexus 7 with the expectation of putting all my games that I ply on my iPad and iPhone onto a portable 7 inch tablet that I could throw in my pocket whenever and bring wherever. The problem is that I keep looking one game after another and finding that they don't exist on the google play store! The only games I'm finding are games that I beat 2-3 years ago and are somehow on the top list of the play store. People like comparing the same game on android vs the iPad 3 with its high resolution... But they are comparing old games! I want new ones that I haven't beaten and the selection is putrid.

The nexus 7 is great for being a 7 inch tablet. But it's not even in the same universe as the iPad in terms of gaming. But hey... You keep holding onto the articles that you read comparing very specific things with no real context. Me and jalyn02 will continue enjoying out iPads without the lag that some of those articles mention for 99.9% of our games.
[Nexus 7 General] Foxman2k:
What games are you referring to? One thing I have noticed is that games that are definitely available for Android (NBA Jam for example) don't show up on the Google Nexus Play Store. Is that because they haven't been updated to JB? If so, that's something Google needs to fix ASAP.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Kudos! For Google and the Nexus family and without it, Apple would not be working as hard as they are today. Don't get me wrong! I love all of Google's products and mind blowing skills for competition, but I'm not saying Google can't become the one and only tablet on the market dominating it's competition, but with the Nexus 7 it's not going to happen.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
yup, i can tell you're from baltimore.

:silly:

not knocking the ipad. it's clearly better in all technical aspects and the superior device if judged based solely on that, but it's also reflected in the higher price.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Okay, and you mentioning me being from Baltimore has to do with what? Anyway back to topic, I'm not the soul person who is in favor of the comparison of the two, but when you or the person who created this thread says iPad killer! Then I would have to object! " Again, you bringing up I'm from Baltimore for what sir??? "
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
And true about the price and false about the Nexus 7 being a iPad killer...price is one of the great reasons for me purchasing one and the second, it being a Nexus. It still doesn't mean it's time for me to sell my iPad... lmfao.
[Nexus 7 General] Scythe024:
I hate that this is even being discussed as a iPad killer. They are different price points and sizes. The nexus 7 is the best there is right now for this size. If I wanted a 10" I'd get a transformer prime not a iPad, I'm just not a iOS guy. I also hate how phones still get referred to as iPhone killers when the iPhone has been dethroned long ago
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Now! This is truly what I call a FAN BOY!!!!
[Nexus 7 General] danielchow:
Nexus 7

That will surely hurt! lol
[Nexus 7 General] Scythe024:
And how is that? I owned a 3g and a 4. IPhones were great phones in the younger generation when android was still developing. I felt like none of the android phones ever had really good touch screens until the s2 came out. I just don't like the fact how apple locks things down and doesn't let you customize. Its like owning a Mac vs pc. I prefer the ability to do what I want when I want, instead of being told how to use it
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
Nobody can justify a more-than-double price for an iPad over the Nexus 7.

Google & Asus have gave all other tablets the finger basically.

HD screen

Quad core Tegra 3 (clocked higher than iPad)

Jelly bean (super smooth, super quick OS - yes its faster than iOS)

Google Now (with offline voice too, much better and faster than siri)

offline maps

Updates directly from google

For £199 for the 16gb model...

That's why its iPad killer,

10inch tablets are now gonna die, they are hard to game on and too big to be truly portable.

IPad has a camera, nobody uses them! (Phones, cameras etc all produce better photos whilst not being made to look ridiculous by trying to hold up a 10inch tablet to take a photo)

The only limitation of the Nexus 7 is its storage capacity, and I can't see that being worth more-than-double in price, just install what you use instead of everything and that's fixed.

7inch tablets are perfect for gaming, its the first time I've properly been able to play games on a tablet. :)

I'm even seeing iPad fanboys sell their devices for a nexus 7 - woah!

That in itself, makes it a killer.
[Nexus 7 General] blahblahyoutoo:
mostly mirrors how i feel.

a year ago, i was recommending iphones to anyone who asked me about phones, steering them away from android as to not become the tech support guy. even I was eagerly awaiting the iphone 5 before settling on my GNex.

however for me, it was not the S2 but ICS (and now JB) that has me recommending phones like the GNex, HOX, etc. to friends/family. Android since 4.x.x finally has the refinement and smoothness of iOS, but the ability to customize and do much more.
[Nexus 7 General] pjohnson87:
I had a 3rd gen iPad.... Sold it to my dad for 300 bucks so I could buy a nexus 7. The screen was great but I hated the aspect ratio and it felt awkward to play games on. I haven't received my nexus 7 yet so I cant say whether I like it more or not.

Anyhow, I did notice some lag on some of the newer games. I'm guessing it's because it had to push 4x the pixels with only twice the gpu power.
[Nexus 7 General] Semantics:
In regards to Apple products, redundant products are redundant. Whether you have an ipod touch or an iphone or an iPad, the only real difference is the screen and the size. It's the redundancy of ios devices that some of us just don't understand the need to have every single iPad and spend a small fortune to pretty much have 3 tablets that are identical. Fantastic hardware wasted on identical software with no customization, no thanks.
[Nexus 7 General] DougInKentucky:
I have an iPad first generation and I have loved and used it since I bought it on day 1 of sales for iPads with 3g. It is time to replace it as Apple is not updating IOS on it this time around. I am now retired and am price sensitive so I bought a Nexus 7 as the iPad's replacement. The Nexus is a wonderful little device and I am finding that it is much more portable for me as an older man. It runs everything that I need (same as my iPad) and the screen looks great. I am not a gamer so that discussion is outside my needs. So, yes, for me the Nexus 7 is an iPad killer. I bought my Nexus 7 for $250 vs the $720 I payed for my iPad Gen 1. That is a lot of money for me and the money saved will go for things I really need such as my medicines that I have to take daily.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Okay, now we are getting up close and personal! I only have a couple of words for you FAN BOYS!!! VIRUSES! FRAGMENTATION! OPEN SOURCE! Just a few Google killers! I really don't take Android Sirius, they are just my toys that work really well. Now, iOS is for businesses, school and takes the open source worry out of me getting attacked. Now! Let's all see you FAN BOYS lie your ways out of this one, I mean few real true facts...yeah Windows is a better OS then OS X huh! Yeah I bet!
[Nexus 7 General] Scythe024:
Ur the biggest fan boy and troll in here.
[Nexus 7 General] pjohnson87:
None of those things concern me... I'm sorry if they keep you up at night.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Troll, fan boy! Not me take a look at all my post giving Google nothing but love...I am out of here because things are getting to hot!
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
LOL somebody sounds bitter about paying the ipad3 price only to see performance matched/exceeded in a tablet half its price. :)

Viruses are a myth if you operate your device legitimately.

Fragmentation, seriously?

Like most of the new apps on the app store that now need at least an iphone4 to run....
[Nexus 7 General] Scythe024:
My point was to annoy you to show you how stupid it is to call someone a android fan boy on a android forum. Obviously I prefer android since I'm here, otherwise I would be on a iOS forum.
[Nexus 7 General] Semantics:
1 - Viruses - Learn where to get your porn, and where not to.

2 - Fragmentation - Quickly becoming a non-issue, although, it took too long.

3 - Open Source - Huge benefit, and not sure why you would post that as a negative.

You call Android toys, but I know a ton of people who buy their small kids ipod touches, and I'm talking kids like 4+ years old. I don't know many 4 year olds that own their own tablets, Android or other. iOS makes even a mental midget look like he can use a smartphone. A toy is something that someone can pick up and play with right away. Welcome to Apple toyland.
[Nexus 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
I also got my Nexus 7 last week, and published a review:

http://smartphoneblogging.com/2012/07/review-google-nexus-7-hardware/

Love the hardware generally, but as i had faulty screen i had to mention in in my review. the display bleeding issue makes me really wonder what kind of quality control ASUS has...can't wait to get a replacement though.

Will follow up with a Jelly Bean review soon...

Have an iPad 2 here but just don't want to use it anymore (although i already stopped using it because of my Kindle Fire running Jelly Bean).
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
Doesn't the ipad3 only have a dual core 1000mhz cpu?

Whereas the half-price Nexus 7 has a quad core 1200mhz CPU with a 5th battery saving core.
[Nexus 7 General] EvilDeadFan:
I totally agree. I love mine. It works perfectly, and with a new 6GB plan with my phone, it now has amazing amounts of mobile data.
[Nexus 7 General] jjjsong:
For me tablets are really more towards those "nice to have" kind of stuff since I really don't find much use out of tablets except a bigger screen to browse the web and/or watch movies/videos compare to my phone.

So the low price point was really the main reason for me to get one (aside from good spec and google support).
[Nexus 7 General] rcarbal:
Yes it is an IPAD killer, at least for my Girl Freind. no way in hell im giving her the ipad when this tablet is neck to neck equal or better.

happy Birthday (IPAD) $560+dinner $50= $610 .....son of a B*$#$H

Happy Birthday (nexus)$220+dinner $50= $270 .....my wallet is happy.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
I got my wife a iPad your just a cheap A@#
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
enjoying the dual core on a tablet double the price?

Apple users love facetime (tm), nice 0.3mp quality whilst a tablet half the price is 1.2mp

Oops.

LMAO :)
[Nexus 7 General] flintfirewalker:
Haha, you guys are funny.

I hate apple, but i don't think N7 is an iPad killer. Its only because it didn't want to. Its not comparable, the os is different, the size/aspect ratio and most importantly price. Its just different.

I used to be an apple guy (bought the 3g and 4), but looking back, to be quite honest, its coz i was bought by their marketing. Once i started doing some research, i noticed how apple fails in the most important thing for me, features.

Now that being said, i will never buy an iPad. They are making some great product, but they are jacking up the profit margin and selling at twice the cost (not really, but profit margin is steep you gotta agree). And its all because of their pretty screen and awesome advertising. Ppl are attracted to it like a fly to the blinding light. Once you go past the screen, its not worth the 600-800 dollars you're giving. Yes, they do have premium build, but when you drop it, the premium goes out the wazoo. just like your "apparently non-premium" android devices.

some ppl may have enough money to not care, but a smart buyer cares for bang for the buck, regardless of how much buck you have.

Having said that, N7 definitely scores higher in my book. Its greater bang for the buck and offers me all the features that an ipad offers and then some. It does not offer pretty screen, more storage or the supposed premium build (i wish it did, but i am not going to pay 3 times the amount for that). and I am not going to pay $1 more for a rear facing camera coz i don't need it (and very few ppl do on their tablets).
[Nexus 7 General] 150pilot:
Oh how I long for a well executed, well designed 7" Windows 8 tablet! Because frankly, iOS & Android are not ideal OS's for my tastes. They are both limited in their own ways. With iOS you basically have no file system and no built in Input/Output ports. With Android I can't even copy&paste a webpage including both text & pictures into an email. Who knows, maybe an Ubuntu tablet will come along & steal the show. But for now, I'd say we are still in the infancy of the tablet age, and the more different choices other are now, the better tablets we will have in the future, no matter what OS they may run.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Dude, your cool! I have a PS3 and a XBOX-360 let's be friends and cut it all out. I said I own every flagship devices from Apple and Google.
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
I agree, this device is a bigger bang for the buck! But the iPad 3 is a bigger bang for it's price range. Look at all of the tablets priced starting at 499$ they can't touch it!
[Nexus 7 General] TauntingBull:
LOL......
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Can't we all just get along
[Nexus 7 General] belial20xx:
You sound like an apple fan boy. This is a thread about the n7 and how at 200 it is a better deal and on par or better. Every line you seem to write is about how you love your iwhatever. I will say to hell with apple.

apple is sort of a "me too" brand.

One sheep says to the other. " i have an iphone." the other says "me toooo. But my battery is dead and it wont charge." the first sheep replies "buy another battery.....ooooo i forgot we cant swap the battery. Time to rma your phone for a new battery." the second sheep says"baaaah, i am gonna go to a more open format so can changer batteries without losing everything and add more storage via sdcard ." the first asks "what is that? There are phones with sd cards and batteries that can be swapped? Blasphemy!" the second sheep replies "no, its called android and it equals freedom"

If apple were competitive we would have a more open format and not a lock down poc. Apple is over rated and over priced. :D
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
The Google Nexus 7 is out numbered, two iPads against one little Google tab...it looks like this can get ugly fast!
[Nexus 7 General] jalyn02:
Dude you really have it out for me huh??? Let's be friends to you too! On topic, I said that this little thing cannot be a iPad killer.
[Nexus 7 General] rlh445:
I gotta say, handing my dad's Ipad 2..it's like I'm holding an Etch-A-Sketch compared to the Nexus 7. The screen isn't as good, the fluidity is laughable and the overall ease of use is just..incomparable. The Nexus 7 is everything I've ever wanted in a tablet. Screen, OS (I'm running stock), ease of setup (link to the Google account and BOOM you're set. Caveat: if you have another Android device, that is) and of course, Project Butter. I'm in love. I've taken this thing everywhere. To the bar, to the movies, to the store..you name it, I've taken it there in the last few days. I've used it more than I've used my laptop, giving my laptop time to chill and extending its life. Loving it. I have a friend who also has the 7 and he and I gushed about it all night the other night. Just a lovely machine.
[Nexus 7 General] belial20xx:
I could not agree more. Apple is a patent troll that stem innovation and sell mediocre products at a ridiculous premium.
[Nexus 7 General] Roca22:
Nexus 7 is best price - usability. It is my favorite tablet.
[Nexus 7 General] bipoler:
I cant even make it to page 7. Someone silence him JEEZ get over yourself its not that serious why are some responding to him. So what someone thinks nexus 7 kills ipad 3 & you don't. Next. The way he goes on and on and on about this ipad 3 vs the nexus 7 I can see him holding both devices side by side talking to himself "you're better ....no you're better" stop arguing opinion no one wants to read thru all that old man damn