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[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] freeza:
At the expense of me typing up another novel let us just agree to disagree on the RAM topic. However, I will say this: If HTC had more...let's say 2GB of RAM to work with, none of their "aggressive" settings would need to have been done--more to the point--they wouldn't have done them. :) So yes, RAM does play a vital part in all of this. Of course throwing Sense 4.0 on a GS3 would give the same issues, simply because the software was coded to try and deal with the terrible limitations that shouldn't have been there to begin with. HTC knew that 1GB was just not cutting it, hence the reason they decided to make Sense 4.0 suffer so much when running any app along side the browser. Whether or not you or anyone else thinks we need that amount on a mobile device is irrelevant since that is where EVERY OEM is headed towards. No use in living in the past and naively thinking we don't need more than what we currently have when every single person who said that ended up being wrong as time went on. If we can get what the future is going to give us just slightly earlier, why not? Samsung decided to jump the gun and give us what HTC, LG, and Motorola will give us on their next flagship phone lineup. No use in faulting them for that. It's part of the evolution of technology. Why would HTC EVO LTE users get mad that we have more RAM and spit nonsense about it being moot and not needing it when they know damn well they will welcome that addition when HTC decides to do it on their next flagship? It baffles me.

If Sprint sold two versions of the EVO LTE similar to Samsung but instead of 16gbVS32gb space, it was EVO LTE Pro and EVO LTE, 50 dollars apart. First one included 2GB of RAM and no multitasking problems due to not having to accommodate that, and EVO LTE, in its current form. I wonder how many of you would be saying "oh god 2GB is so not needed, I'm going with the EVO LTE." Yeah right, 95% of this forum would have opted for the Pro simply for that reason alone. 2GB would have eliminated any sort of aggressive multitasking and you and everyone else on this forun knows that. But since Samsung has it, nobody wants to admit that it's just better to have on a phone? Regardless if it's being used in a way that satisfies their reasoning for having it? OK.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] firmbiz94:
I def wouldn't mind having more ram..I just hope the multitasking issue can be resolved ..which I believe could easily be fixed by HTC
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] freeza:
See, the thing is. I'm sure HTC could fix it if they wanted to....I'm not sure how much performance or battery life would suffer but It can be done.

None of these issues are present on AOSP, but for those who just "love Sense" you can't help but notice the very poor multitasking support.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] donatom3:
Personally I'm waiting for a cm9/10 build on the Evo. I know with CM the Evo should do fine with just 1gb of ram, but I'm sure Sense could have been a lot better with 2gb.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] firmbiz94:
Yea I thought it was funny when ppl were saying sense got lighter ..on the og the ROMs were like 300mb the 3d was around 400 and now we are above 500mbs..and the kernel adds another 100mbs I believe. (Released source) ..I do enjoy sense but not at the expense of multitasking ..I'll be flashing the first stable/fully working cm9 10..
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
The size is also attributed to ics . Htc pretty much just disabled a lot of sense three features. The code is still there.

Not having the carousel active def reduces resources. Home screen transitions take a lot of power
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ckoadiyn:
Most free ram I can get is 300
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
The kernel isn't anywhere near 100 mb
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] firmbiz94:
I was talking about the size of the source they released for it..also I know a lot of ram gets used just running sense but it still never adds up to a whole GB between running and available its like 700mb ..its like 300 MBS are missing..or is that just being used up by the system as well- I figured that was what was accounted by the 450 MBS being used on fresh boot
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] averygagaanroid:
Completely agree w the first paragraph.

But it seems like both HTC and Samsung have failed to push each other's quality management. The amount and intensity of reports about the HOX's hardware issues are just shocking. I dont follow the SGSIII so I cant speak for them, but Im pretty HTC has lost a lot of customers because of the quality issues w both the One series and the Sensation series. Normal consumers they dont remember when a phone works, but they'll carve the bad experience to their memory forever and will recommend their friends and family against the brand.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] LiquidSolstice:
I think quality management will always continue to be a problem for companies like these. With the number of people who buy them, such high-tech devices are bound to have flaws, and unfortunately, the ones that are more vocal get in the news more than those who are not. It's similar to PC gaming DRM; you hear complaints about it every day but no game site will ever post a story where DRM works. This gives off the impression that all DRM is bad and doesn't work, and it's a common media tactic.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] freeza:
Google decided to ship the Galaxy Nexus/Nexus7 with 1GB of RAM simply because the bare Android OS doesn't require it. I'm not going to sit here and argue logistics with you lol. Simply put, having 2GB now or later is going to happen. Because Samsung did it first everyone is mad lol.

Even Qualcomm's own MDP tablet running the S4 Pro has 2GB of ram on the bare Android OS. Interesting isn't it?

The bottom line is Sense 4.0 is a resource hog and there's evidence to back it up. The One series being a prime example. HTC not updating the Desire HD to ICS/Sense 4.0/3.6 is obviously another, but i'll digress on the whole situation. Enjoy your multitasking that HTC has imposed on your phone.

The bottom line is, whether or not you want to blindly follow HTC and keep on chiming in about how unneeded the RAM is and how it's no different than having 8GB of it in a desktop or whatever--that won't stop me from being able to load and keep many many more apps in memory than you and every other EVO LTE owner running Sense 4.0. I have never said the EVO LTE was a bad device, but to completely disregard the fact that in order to run Sense 4.0 on that phone requires more RAM is just silly.

So, if HTC decides to release another flagship with 2GB of RAM, then magically, it's now needed and worth having it on a phone? lol! Okay. The Nexus S apparently runs Jelly Bean just fine with 512MB, so with that logic, we should all still be running phones with 512MB of ram because Android can handle it just fine!

If we could all agree that HTC imposed their crappy multitasking aggression on the One series because of Sense 4.0 and the lack of RAM needed to run that and other Android apps efficiently, then the case should be closed.

If we could all also agree that HTC would have NEVER imposed that aggressive multitasking on a phone running Sense 4.0 and with double the RAM then the case should be closed as well. I can only make discussion with people that are able to realize these facts and not disregard them as myth, opinion, or fiction. Thanks again for the debate, as one-sided as it was, I still enjoyed myself. Have a great weekend everyone!

PS: The phones are actually the same price.. for the 16GB model anyway. I guess all that cheap plastic (which most of HTC phones on Sprint were comprised of before the EVO LTE and that other EVO came along) as opposed to bending aluminum kept costs down. :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] arrogantbastard:
LS and freeza, it's been entertaining and I've gotten something out of both you. :)

I'm wondering if we're all missing the point on the whole RAM/multitasking argument though. The conventional wisdom has been that Sense 4.0 takes up too much memory, therefore it has to aggressively kill apps to keep enough memory to run the UI. I certainly bought into it.

I'm thinking that maybe CPU availability also plays a role here. If I'm an idiot, please tell me so and I'll slink back to my corner, but here's my line of reasoning.

Like it or not, I think it's safe to assume that, as far as the mass public is concerned, that the iPhone is the benchmark for smart phones. I know that's highly debatable among enthusiasts, but every single flagship Android that has come out in the past couple of years has always been compared to it's contemporary iPhone. What's one of the top things people love about it? Besides it's simplicity, it's how smooth the UI operates. One of the number one complaints with Android up to now? It's laggy. It stutters when I'm scrolling text in a browser. It stutters when I switch home screens. It lags when I open the app drawer. Etc, etc. People demand that everything is supposed to happen "right now," with zero lag and zero stuttering. Free memory has absolutely nothing to do with that; it's all about the CPU being ready to ramp up "immediately" and start animating all those fancy transitions and neat little 3D effects and such with the widgets. There's also a lot going on in the background, eating up CPU cycles as things are syncing, updating, and whatever else.

If there are less processes happening in the background, eating CPU cycles with whatever they're doing, then there's a much better chance that when the user wants to do something, the OS can dedicate much more CPU power to make it happen "now," and "smoothly." And in HTC's mind, having the Sense UI operate smoothly with zero lag/stutter, trumps the ability to switch between apps. I would argue that the average user perceives that a phone with that kind of smoothness on the front end to be "better" than a phone that lags just a little, no matter how well that "laggy" phone might switch between apps.

So, is HTC using memory management in order to save CPU cycles to provide the utmost smoothness in the UI? If that's part of the equation, then I think having extra RAM is a bit of a red herring, and arguments over the effectiveness of that extra RAM are incomplete. But then again, I'm no expert, and feel free to flame away if I'm saying something completely idiotic :)
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] freeza:
Very good point.. You know, from a marketing standpint, I am certain HTC took some of that into account. But then again you have to also understand the way android caches apps into memory in order to load them faster. The more memory you have, the less "swapping" has to go on to swap things in and out of RAM to flash memory. I don't think any modern smartphones use a "swap" file so to speak, but it still stands to reason that the more memory you have, the more Android has to work with in terms of caching processes/apps and whatever smart method they use to cache the most used apps of the person who's device it is. All this is done in an effort to speed things up. Now with Project Butter on Jelly Bean, it'd be quite interesting to see if they've tweaked the way Android handles memory, along with what they're doing to utilize the GPU and CPU more.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] LiquidSolstice:
This is the only part I'm going to bother answering because the rest of your post exists just to troll and provoke and in general, be obnoxious.

A) Where did I ever say that Sense 4.0 wasn't any sort of resource hog? Perhaps in your pride, you decided I at some point said that? You seem to be deciding I've said a lot more than I actually have...

B) I don't understand. First you say the LTE is at fault for not having 2 GB of RAM, and that's why it can't multi-task. Then you say the bottom line is that it's Sense 4's fault that it can't multitask because of the aggressive memory settings.

So...erm...which one is it?

Or would you like to make up a third idea in your quest to explain to me how I am a "blind HTC fan" for being content with 1GB of RAM?

And please, seriously, stop with the petty insults. Do not talk to me about "myths and opinions" over hard facts. Some of us have not forgotten how hard you tried to convince us that Gingerbread on our Evo 3D was able to properly handle a dual-core kernel mod, citing "it feels faster" as evidence, even arguing with an elite kernel developer that knew far, far more about you (a kernel developer that has actually built a kernel from source). Not even a few burnt-out SoCs swayed you, if I recall correctly.

So you'll excuse me for that slightly bellow the belt punch there, but you grow more and more obnoxious and elitist, and quite frankly, if all you are here to do is heckle and harass users on their smartphone of choice, please leave.

As someone who learned the hard way that people aren't interested in being told they are wrong by someone acting high and mighty, I would stop posting here before you receive actual moderation for trolling.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] freeza:
So much for that apology huh? :)

SIGH. Let us break this down in a matter that you maybe can understand. The EVO LTE is part of the One line. This forum is dedicated to the LTE. When I speak of the LTE, I am speaking also of the One line because they ALL have the multitasking problem. Actually--I have no idea if the One S or One V do, but it's common knowledge that the One X does. All of these devices have one thing in common. Ready for it? Sense 4.0! That kernel comment ....lol I don't know what it is you're trying to accomplish with your comments, but unlike you, I don't need to post comments like that to get a point across. If you paid any sort of attention to the development forum of the EVO 3D and even the most popular ROM here "MeanROM" they all employ the dual core 'mod' so to try and degrade my character by bringing it up is just silly....again. I don't think anything I have said is 'trolling' and I don't think a moderator would have any problem with it. I originally started with a pretty in-depth view of ..you know, someone who's owned BOTH devices and why I chose what I did. It was never meant to turn into a you-thinking-you-know-it-all-about-everything contest. In the spirits of keeping this thread on track, I will gracefully ignore any and all messages posted by you in the future. Now, let us carry on with what this topic was originally meant to discuss: While I may not have originally posted with why I chose an EVO over a GS3, I did provide insight from owning both devices as to why I didn't. And, I'm sure some will appreciate a view like that and one of someone who is on the other side of the yard. Thanks.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
The s3 aesthetically is in my opinion inferior. I took my friends battery out and the back cover is about one grade above plastic wrap. And that abomination of a home button.

The one x line owes a lot of its success and loyalty to the fact that their just good looking devices.

I have no issue at all with multi tasking on this phone. And.believe me there are a lot of things I hate about HTC. M10 and r.9 images. I swear my next phone will be a nexus.

But I love this phone. And I have an opportunity to get the s3 in September with Verizon but I doubt I will. After using my friends at work s3 I'm just not that blown away.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] freeza:
hahaha, this I do agree with.. The One X is just a beautiful device. Even the white EVO LTE is fantastic looking.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] fernando sor:
I mean don't get me wrong. All the people at work who got the s3 love it. My partner at work went from droid eris to dinc to s3 so he is in heaven. And if that's all that's available in September I may get it.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] BonkyMoon:
Got my LTEvo roughly 2 weeks ago. I was coming from the original Evo; this was my 3rd Android phone and my 4th HTC phone.

Despite however many resources it uses, I just really like Sense. Stock android is kinda ugly IMO. Don't have much of an opinion on TouchWiz.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ImaWinRAR:
by the time September hits, s3 will be old news :p
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] rac8808:
The display, build quality and this AMAZING camera
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] apache07x:
My point of view for what it's worth is I'd go with the EVO. I bought a Samsung hated it and went and bought an EVO LTE for full price. Just didn't care for Samsungs layout. The new EVO is different from the OG EVO but it's familiar enough to not frustrate you because it's so different. Especially after rooting it and putting a different ROM on it and stuff. I got the PKMN ROM on mine and love it.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] firmbiz94:
IMO ..if the multitasking gets fixed, the lte would be the clearly better device.. with the way it is now, and the different ways ppl use their devices the mt may or may not be a deal breaker ..different strokes for different folks.. I respect both of u guys and your contributions to the dev scene and enjoyed ur debate ..hopefully u stick around freeza and develop some nice kernels for us to use..maybe u can be the one to fix these mt issues ..
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Rippley05:
Between the multi tasking, lag, freezes, slowdowns, the HTC weather clock ALWAYS thinking there's thunderstorms here and all the devs choosing the gs3..I'm starting to feel real disappointed.

I'm getting really annoyed with htc
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] funcrusher:
Just out of curiosity, who are these devs? I only know of myn, really.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Rippley05:
You're thinking I'm only talking evo devs. You only need to peek and the gs3 forums to see. They have roms, kernels, test CM9 test cm10..all kinds of goodies
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] groovdafied:
I purcahsed my first Samsung tablet (Galaxy Tab 7Plus) and their lack of support on that device ruined my experience. Even how they troubleshooted that device, was a major headache. Including the fact that they use proprietary things from time to time.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] swaze:
They also have source....which explains all of that. Have had it for a while. We will get there soon.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Wakawaka024:
Hi. Here we can discuss (and flash) the upcoming base rom for our Evos.

This SVN base will be the base for 3 roms:

- d3rpLTE

- Warm 4.0

- Mayhem

I can't speak to each iteration of the ROM once we branch it, but surely there will be some odex, surely there will be some senseless action, maybe kernel things, etc ￼

So far the builders are team d3rp (with steal25 and dased14 as new members) and the legendary creator of warm, myn!

SVN source:

https://code.google.com/p/d3rp-lte-rom/source/list

SVN setup guide:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1211234

More to come.

.....

future OP (many edits needed)

How many more devs you want....
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] JMQUINT00:
HTC has always made top notch devices. Samsung's update track record is scary lol. I've had 4 HTC phones going as far back as the Win Mobile Titan. Not once have I been disappointed. The new Evo has the best Camera I've ever seen in a smartphone, outside of that 41mp Nokia overkill. The sound out of my Beats headphones is unmatched. Yes I know some have successfully ported beats software to other devices, and then some have bricked their devices trying lol. With the EVO, it comes ready out of the box. I love Sense 4, its widgets are some of the best I've seen and since battery is no longer an issue I can have them all Muahahaha. S3 what, pffffff.

---------- Post added at 09:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:10 PM ----------

....and I'll tell you what, even if the EVO doesn't get another update ever, It would still be the best phone I've ever seen.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Rippley05:
Doesn't explain anything really, we have enough source to make it work, we don't have the same support. Maybe we will get there, who knows. Right now rho, Samsung is much more dev friendly.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] robert90262:
I just regret not being able to get a white one
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Rippley05:
Lol, the white does look good. I hate how they always release the white ones later... What's the point?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] nite2k:
HTC EVO 4g LTE has-

Fm radio to use at gym where TVs broadcast audio over fm. Also great where 3g signal is inconsistent.Great benefit for health nuts like me.

S3 does not have this.

Stand for phone to watch media on your table or desk. Super convenient.

Sense is, as everyone mentioned, more flushed out with more functionality such as linking contacts from your various applications.

Better display that is wayyy brighter then s3.

Nonremovable battery but who cares?? It lasts all day. Buy an external battery for twenty bucks if you are a power user. You'll upgrade your phone in two years or sooner once the next hot phone comes out, well within when this phone's battery begins to lose its charging capabilities.

Beats audio makes everything from this phone sound phenomenal. Nuff said.

Mean ROM has great multitasking capabilities for those that don't like native.

These are my thoughts. EVO 4g LTE has not let me down.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] KEYofR:
The stock os on the ltevo only uses one of the two cores the cpu has. Does the gs3? That could be a rather major difference despite the "same cpu"

The ltevo robs system ram for video. Does the gs3? Another potential major difference.

Don't pretend the phones are practically identical.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] nite2k:
Err that is incorrect sir. Stock Rom on ltevo brings the 2nd core online when demand on processor calls for it. This provides better battery life. Why use twocores (more power) when only one is necessary?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] lowetax:
granted, it could be, but marketing sells and their ads tout all of the cool features, not mentioning 2 gb. how many of the 10 million or more sold this month wouldn't have happened if the sgs3 'only' had 1 gb ?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] ticklemepinks:
and myn is making a rom for the LTE as we speak lolz
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] xHausx:
Under the microscope: Samsung Galaxy S III's HD Super AMOLED display

That is all. ;)
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cato240:
Hi guy's plz help me quickly i want to know how to determine Galaxy SIII Batch number if it 1st batch or 2nd batch or another batch when i going to buy it to avoid any problem in 1st batch :confused::confused::confused:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cato240:
plzz guys i need to know how determine it Quickly
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] loveubuntu:
I just rooted my sg3, installed CWR, wiped data, cache, system and dalvil, and installed BeanTown106 custom rom. Everything looks fime but my WIFI connected without asking me for the password. I had the password in the unrooted phone but not in the rooted rom. Wifi password was aved from rom to rom? In the kernel? puzzling...
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] Optimizer:
Your WIFI password is backed up through google, not through roms/kernels.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] loveubuntu:
Ahhh, that's right. Brain fart. I usually uncheck all the backup and restore options. This time I was watching breaking bad and was distracted. Thanks.

PS I'm not sure if I like Google storing that... Ughhh
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] xxspookyxx:
What is the best for Gaming? CM7.2 RC 2 Official or Chocobread 3.2 or other?
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] MAD_psycho_Zz:
for gaming i recommend to use cyanomods with improvements tweaks and scripts but don't expect it will be so stable
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] yackovsky:
Get a PSP for gaming, or any other console... sgm is not good for games... or even stick with pc, still better gaming experience than on sgm...
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] xxspookyxx:
ok.. take it easy... kkk

what is a best performance rom?
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] kayzm:
Try Squadzone's Cyanmobile or waiting for TheWhisp's CM10 :D
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] punk23:
Use xperia mod rom...fast
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] xxspookyxx:
Emanon? is better?
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] mickeyzkun:
and what custom rom is supported for S5570i?
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] Messi10:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1729220

http://androidforums.com/mini-2-all-things-root/558733-gt-s5570i-galaxy-mini-plus-working-roms.html
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] mickeyzkun:
thanks but why the first link isn't in the galaxy mini section?