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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] WiredPirate:
^THIS^

The Verizon rep I just spoke to claims they have NOTHING to do with the update, that they come directly from Samsung and VZW doesn't touch it, test it, nothing. I don't believe that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wyattyoss:
@adrynalyne can't wait to see what you can do with the Nexus 7.

Also, all I want is the jellybean radios. Sure jellybean would be nice, but the toro is aosp now so no need to really worry about that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
I wouldn't buy that either.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
It was a half truth.

VZW doesn't 'touch' it. They test it, but never modify it. They send a change/fix request to Google.

Slick bastards and their wordplay.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tailsthecat3:
Definitely not great news. Waiting.

http://twitter.com/VZWSupport/status/225609870009843712
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
Time to start harassing VZW. Back in the days of the GalaxyS Fascinate, they pushed 2.2 pretty quickly after a day of spamming. Just saw that GNex was their best selling phone in quarter 2 - you think they would provide better support.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tailsthecat3:
I read that [on Verizon] Android outsold iPhone in Q2 but I didn't see anything in the reports or press releases that the Nexus was their best selling phone in Q2. Link?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] generic.imitation:
Well... I do hate getting disconnected randomly, and needing to reset the phone. I haven't had any issues with Jellybean, but I did just install it.

What radio that is out currently works best?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
They all suck.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DoctorSasquatch:
Weaker than ICS signal?

Man, I have pretty much the exact same signal that I had on ICS running fits' CM10 kang
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Smokeey:
Who cares? This is XDA! We make our own OTA's!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
As noted, you can't make your own radios.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I am glad. Sadly you are part of a minority.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DoctorSasquatch:
Really? I haven't seen anything about it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Its out there for the reading although you might have to venture beyond XDA. I am probably more sensitive to it due to the nature of what I do with Android.

I mean, for you not seeing it, there have been several in agreement in this thread alone ;)

Signal is unreliable as soon as you get into a weaker area.

4G drops to 1x, 3G drops to no signal, 4G to 3G switching is rampant (even in stronger areas).

Places ICS has signal, JB will have no data. Voice-wise we are fine. Data...not so much. I feel like I am on 4.0.2 again.

Here is an example, explained in photos:

ICS:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...AAb8/aaWcLLpMAhI/s640/IMG_20120701_102808.jpg

JB:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...nFB-Q/s640/Screenshot_2012-07-01-10-28-21.png

Both were in the same exact location. My wife was on 3g, mine was on 1x. Same radio firmware on both.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] eman3316@optonline.net:
Yes, having to reset the phone to get data and voice back randomly throughout the day is quite annoying. I do not think this is a hardware related issue as much as it is a software issue.

When losing data and voice completely, putting the phone into airplane mode has absolutely no effect on the device. The radio will not come back on. A reset is needed to bring everything back. Something id happening on the software side and I cannot believe that Samsung and Goolge are yet to fix it!

This is different then the people that are complaining their phone will not keep a 4G signal and it drops every minute or so. I am talking about when the radio's completely shut down to no use until a reset. My 4G signal is fine and can go hours and hours without a drop. But then BAM! No working radio's. I have tried every radio and kernel out there. I have seen the issue on every one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Simer03:
Verizon is the greediest of all the carriers...they dont want to update an older phone, they want you to buy a new one with a new software so they can lock u in for another few yeras! its a vicious cycle! just wish people would stop blaming Google and the manufacturers for it because its ALL on the carriers...but all they care about is $$$
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spencer88:
Agreed, but they have a hell of a product...that being their such extensive 3G and 4G network. That's hard to ignore given I came from Sprint where they didn't know what a decent network even was.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TiltedAz:
Let's get real. Samsung, Google, Apple make money hand over fist and have very little to no debt. That's a definition of success or greed.

On the other hand, wireless carriers are struggling with technology changes, infrastructure costs resulting in huge debt, and yet are so desperate for market share they're forced to give away the farm to sell the latest overpriced phone from Google, Apple, Samsung, etc. VZ has 140% debt to equity ratio, AT&T has 58%, Sprint has 177%, and Clearwire 366%.

I hope at some point carriers push back on phone manufacturers. Until then consumer won't be deciding what's fair pricing for phones.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zepius:
you cant be serious.

the carriers easily make up their money in the cost of the service. look at the prepaid/nocontract options. you pay infinitely less over the 2yr period... enough to make up for the cost of the phone.

if you seriously believe its the carriers getting it stuck to them, you are very very wrong.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lowandbehold:
I wouldn't really call Google greedy in this situation. They provide an amazing, free, open source operating system to anyone that wants to use it. Surely, with its success, they could charge some sort of licensing fee. They sell their branded hardware (nexus and nexus 7) at little to no profit margin. Yes, Google is making A TON of money, but so is Apple. Compare the price of an unlocked Iphone to a Gnex...hardly greedy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Indeed. Verizon Wireless is constantly reporting increased profits over previous quarters.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Verizon doesn't decide when to cut off upgrades, the manufacturers do.

Take a look at Motorola, who easily has the best track record for long term updates on Verizon.

Droid 2 Global got an update not too long ago...and the Droid 4 has been out a while.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...on-the-way-brings-bug-fixes-and-enhancements/

I agree with you on blaming carrier for delays though. They have unnecessarily long testing times, and they suck at it too. Anyone who had a Thunderbolt can tell you of the GB update that too months to test and still had retarded bugs, like no voicemail notification. Heck, those running leaks actually TOLD Verizon about the bug several months before the OTA came out. Verizon doesn't listen to customers, doesn't take advice, does not act upon customer concerns. They are out to make a buck, and screw everyone else in the process.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fixyourtech:
Wireless companies struggling, that's a good one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zepius:
ugh... cant wait to get the wife off her thunderbolt.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] generic.imitation:
Honestly I enjoy the discussion, but leave the politics of who makes money out of it please. I just want my phone to not disconnect randomly. The phone OS is open source, but the radio software isn't. I am happy with JB, and it IS utterly amazing, but would enjoy not being on a CDMA carrier due to the update process.

When my radio works, I get better speeds than ever before, and that rocks! I haven't had any issues with jellybean disconnecting yet, but I'm sure it will happen. I just want Verizon to fix their product on their network. They are the ones who went with the LTE technology that is incorporated with this phone. so I'm holding them responsible. I don't pay Google or Samsung every month for data and voice, but I understand they are players as well.

Whining about Google or Samsung not fixing this is like telling Microsoft and Dell to fix my internet connection due to carrier related driver integration.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
Saw it via Flip board yesterday, but now cannot locate the article and source. Had to read a few times to be sure of what was said, but indeed reported that GNex was the Q2 top seller on VZW.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AngryGibson:
I am still kind of new to this and the JB flash was my first time adding a ROM to my device. Lets say the official OTA does release, what steps would I go through in order to get rid of this ROM and receive that update? Before this, I was on ICS 4.0.1.

I do apologize if my terminology is off..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jpspyro:
Talked with Tier 2 Verizon tech rep today; she mentioned something about a 4.1 OTA update coming soon. No date, but I've been told by multiple reps at Verizon that there is an update destined for the Nexus in the coming weeks/months. (Some reps call it the V3 update)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
Lets hope the techs are actually using facts and not guessing on this one. Last time I spoke to a tier 2 tech regarding the 4.0.4 update (I was running the IMM30B leak at the time) they knew nothing of it and referred me to Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Rinthe:
soon i hope!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] eman3316@optonline.net:
Do we really need Verizon to tell us that an update is coming within the next few months. Well, duh! Eventually they will push JB to the phone. Those reps probably no less then you or me about their phone updates.

Samsung/Google/Verizon has already tried 4 times to get the radio right. What makes anyone think the next one will be better. I have given up and accepting what we see now is what we will continue to get with different radio version numbers to make them look new and improved.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sarkozy:
No, it was not. Not even close actually. Nexus sales have been laughable compared to the Razr phones. Of course I can't legally cite, and you don't have to believe me, but the Nexus as a consumer device has been a huge under performer.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
The actual comment was that Verizon sold more 4g PHONES (combined) than the iPhone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zepius:
i thought it was "sold more "DROID" phones than the iphone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mdschmid1978:
Good Idea

What a Great Idea!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...n-iPhone-in-Q2-2012-Galaxy-Nexus-Best-selling
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] infazzdar:
I would pay for a group of developers to get together and create open source radios.

If only it were possible..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
When will people understand that a CS rep can't give you an ETA for an update to your phone, they really have no idea. They're always just telling you what you want to hear to get you to stop complaining.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atlp99:
The sales numbers I have heard recently (I work for a Verizon retailer) was that currently the RAZR maxx is the best selling Verizon smartphone.

Of course the RAZR and RAZR maxx outsell the nexus, the Droid brand is a Verizon specific brand so they promote it. They do almost no promotion for the Nexus because it is not a Verizon specific phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
Verizon surely hates the Nexus since it goes against all their beliefs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Gilbot:
Android authority says gnex was #3: http://www.androidauthority.com/verizon-motorola-razr-maxx-iphone-94372/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jediman:
Who cares about stock on verizon? I went from stock for a week to an aosp from and only back again since I have to ship it to Samsung for repair. I had no issues running the from. Stock becomes slow and unresponsive and everyday it wants to email a crash report.

Also aren't the radio binaries part of the aosp releases anyways?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
Yes, overall sales since launch. However it seems that during quarter 2, the GNex took a boost and outsold the others.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cmajpwc:
I was in Verizon the other day and figured I'd might as well ask when the JB update would be pushed. The guy I talked to said that it should be a lot quicker than the 4.0.4 update because what held that up was the issues it caused with the radios. He claimed the update would be pushed by mid-August. I realize its still a VZW rep who has a 98% chance of not knowing anything, but it was still more than a generic "no info"/"coming months" answer.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
Better than no info at all. And it has a 2% chance of being right. Hopefully my Xoom wifi gets the OTA this week so I can at least taste the new candy. I could flash a ROM, but I like stock too much on the GEDs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Those who want radios!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyhook:
The radio files for JB won't make your signal any better. You can't change the laws of physics with software. My JB signal on Verizon is awesome with the latest radios. If you have a problem, Wilson electronics makes a Verizon LTE booster
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
How do physics play into it when ICS has a better signal, switching to 1x or 3G less often, and holding onto data better?

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that physics aren't the issue here.

Can you honestly say with a straight face that this defies physics?

ICS

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...AAb8/aaWcLLpMAhI/s640/IMG_20120701_102808.jpg

JB

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...nFB-Q/s640/Screenshot_2012-07-01-10-28-21.png

I flashed my wife's phone to JB recently. Now we see poor to no data signal in the same areas, where she had 3G before. Doesn't look like a physics problem to me. I am not the only person who has noticed a marked degradation in radio performance in Jellybean for LTE devices.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyhook:
How can a ROM change the performance of radio firmware????? That makes no sense. I think all the Verizon radio files were equally good, just the handoff speed and the visual signal reporting changed. Actual performance did not. I could be wrong, I'm not a doctor. I just play one on TV :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
It makes plenty of sense, but I don't think you understand how it works.

For one, rils are matched with radios. Look around and see how GSM users fix their radio problems by getting a matching ril lib for it.

My signal at home with 4.0.2 radios was -79dbm. With 4.0.4 radios, it increased to -61.

I'd say that is a performance difference of both software and firmware. Plenty of people flashed 4.0.4 radios while in 4.0.2 and saw no difference. People who went straight to 4.0.4 software and firmware did. Ril libs, telephony framework, and radio firmware work together, not separately.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyhook:
Interesting. Learn something new every day. OK, its worth bugging Verizon a bit, but I wouldn't expect haste
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Of course not. I am hoping that enough noise will get a leaker to toss us a bone though :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] masully84:
F Verizon, unlock the bootloader and root it... Problem solved

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Again--

Does this solve the radio problem? ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyhook:
Is it possible to modify a JB ROM, keep the features and performance upgrades, yet use 4.0.4 telephony framework to keep the radios running strong? That may be a dumb question, just out of my realm of knowledge.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
It might be, but would be a major undertaking.

Probably be done by the team Verizon releases JB :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] masully84:
Lol no it doesn't

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] baonguyen312:
dont ask, just call them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zephiK:
Or flood their twitter to gain awareness.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
^^^ Twitter is a very effective tool, because it ends up reaching the blogosphere.

Bad PR costs more than extra manhours to get an update out quicker and Verizon knows it.

Something like

@VerizonWireless @VZWSupport Your customers demand you expedite Jellybean testing for Galaxy Nexus users.GSM version already has it. Plz RT
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
Why don't we get organized on this? Pick a day, say Tuesday the 24th, and beginning at 8am Pacific time load up their Twitter account. Who's in?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Stop whining and root your phones. Why wait for the JB ota. Screw Verizon and CDMA (just trying to annoy Adrynalyne).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I demand you go hack Verizon's internal network and grab the testing package from it.

NAO!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
I think you're annoying everyone following this thread. Your comments are not related to the issue at hand, and its been well explained that radio issues are not solved by flashing a custom ROM with the same radios.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Relax. It was an inside joke. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zephiK:
That's a good idea. It's the same fiasco with Samsung and T-Mobile when it came to the Samsung Vibrant update. They had a hash tag (#NeverAgain) going on and it was eventually posted by tech blogs (as adrynalyne mentioned) which got massive attention from the community causing bad PR and then what do you know? the update came.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=911154 is the thread for #NeverAgain.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tailsthecat3:
Done and done. RT that crack. @akaJoeTea
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zephiK:
It only works if it's organized and have massive amounts of people causing stirr about it. One person doing it won't matter :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jimmyhook:
I think we should bug them for key lime pie :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zephiK:
Why would you buy VZW about Key Lime Pie? Sarcasm?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pkelly517:
So, continuing an inside joke and looking like an idiot in public is preferable to being quiet and maintaining a reputation.

Gotcha.

Edit: fix swiftkey suggestions
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Speaking of reputations, you are off to a good start by insulting people.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] afma_afma:
there are rumours that the Samsung Galaxy S3 will be getting Jelly Bean by August 2012.

And our nexus device ...we don't even know when ...or possibly September.... this sucks guys...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Rumors are rumors.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] eman3316@optonline.net:
Well technically the GNEX has gotten JB already. Just not the CDMA versions. I am betting the same thing will happen for the S3. CDMA versions of the S3 won't see it anytime soon.

Would still be a kick in the face to GNEX owners though. Actually, I don't even care about getting JB officially, what I do care about is getting a radio that doesn't disconnect causing me to reboot my phone to get it back!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rebretz000:
I wanted for 5 months after I got my VZW GNEX to unlock & root. Got sick of waiting on VZW updated my phone to 4.0.4. and haven't looked back.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tailsthecat3:
"Sometimes the smallest, softest voice carries the grand, biggest solutions."
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crixley:
this is why the cdma nexus is a nexus by name only
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tailsthecat3:
There's one at every party.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] I Am Marino:
And this is why people can't have nice things.

People just can't let it go.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I guess the yakjuxx Nexus devices are only Nexus by name too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Never been to a party where someone else has a Nexus. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Thats because you aren't one of the cool kids :p

Although I think the party reference was referring to a certain..type of person, not device.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Yes I know lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
On which part?

:laugh:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
2nd.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lrs421:
Really not that much of an inside joke if you've been around long enough or been following the GN forums, or even read the posts leading up to mines. Even after your insult we've seen posts of CDMA bashing. Adrynalyne has been awesome at stomping out FUD whenever he sees it. I've had a few exhausting "debates" myself. So...I've earned my not-so inside jokes. Thank you very much :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KWKSLVR:
And, when that update came, it was complete crap. There's a reason why updating to it was a PITA, because if they had rolled it out to everyone and forced it OTA, there would have been a LOT of pissed off customers.

Look, it'll come when it comes. The damn SGS III isn't going to get JB before the GNex. That's ludicrous (and we are talking about Samsung here). Don't like waiting? Compile you're own. That's what I did.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3devious:
Yeah, especially if they have these "fake Nexuses like ours!" :p Sorry, couldn't resist. It's sad that there isn't much to do when the discussion has played out to the point where we have nothing to do but wait now. Until a leak comes or something, you guys will just have to troll each other for our entertainment!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
I'm surprised this hasn't leaked yet.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slickrickstyles:
There is always something to do..We have an insane amount of options for 4.1.1 and 4.0.4 already
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sirgoob:
From a Verizon Rep: This is the response I got when asking about updates. Doesnt really matter, just root, flash custom JB roms

VZW WFM MW IRT wfmmwirt@hq.verizonwireless.com

Hi Steve,

I definitely understand where you are coming from. My name is Rachael and I am happy to help.

Android software actually never touches the hands of a Verizon Wireless employee. These upgrade pushes are done strictly through Google, and we have no say on when they will get to your phone. I apologize that it's taking longer than expected. You can get support, or speak with a Google representative at www.support.google.com. I do understand what you mean with the bloatware, and we are very proud to offer the pure Google supported phone in the Nexus to avoid this. The only part of Google that we test is the phone itself and nothing more.

I know that I just recently received the Ice Cream Sandwich update on my device, and we have been given no specific information from Google as to when Jelly Bean will be pushed to devices. I can tell you though, that the Google phones such as yours will be among the first to receive this update.

If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to reply to this email. We are here for you with answers to any service or network related issues that you may have. You can also contact our Customer Service at 1-800-922-0204 or *611 from your Verizon Wireless phone.

Thank you very much for choosing Verizon Wireless Stephen. I hope that you have a great day.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Winesnob:
It's fun seeing how many different stories will be given to explain the delay. Wasn't the emergency calling issue reported on the Nexus S in Australia? Apparently Miranda believes it applies to the US GNex also.

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I hope this email finds you well. My name is Miranda and I will be more than happy to go over the new software update for your device. I have the exact same device as you and I am waiting to enjoy the cool new features as well. Recently I have been watching video’s online about the new software and I am so excited to be receiving it.

Verizon Wireless does not received any information from the software developers until there is a concrete date. The date for the new software for the Galaxy Nexus was scheduled for mid-July but it was delayed. Verizon is made unaware of the reasons why it was delayed.

I was very curious as to why it got delayed so I did some online research for you. I did find out that it was delayed because the software currently does not meet all the regulatory requirements related to emergency calls.

Chad, at this time there is not a set release date for the new software for the Nexus. As soon as the developers give us a release date we will be informing our customers.

Thank you for taking the time out to email us. I appreciate your patience.

Thanks for being the best part of Verizon Wireless, enjoy the rest of your day.

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Miranda

Customer Service

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