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[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
I also only replace my phone when the contract expires, but I always make sure to get one of the latest devices, simply because I don't want it to date too much in the intervening time.
[Desire HD General] simtsa:
But maybe blackwolfsa and also me we won't like to pay a lot of extra money to buy a new phone and we want to buy last year model phone. And as the HTC said at Febrary that the DHD will get the ICS many customers choose to buy new DHD with 200€ than Desire C with 280€ because it has better camera and faster cpu and less money. And after 5 months only HTC change plans and stop supporting her new customers just like that. That is no good.

I have some friends who were waiting to release the new version and see to my phone what it was going to look like and then find a new DHD from the internet with 200€ and buy it. I suppose that htc has just miss same new customers and some future customers that I was going to said same good thinks.
[Desire HD General] Andy:
Why is that, if they research their own devices, and look for a handset that suits them and their needs. What does it matter if you recommend a HTC or an iPhone. I bought my wife a Samsung because it suits her needs, not mine.

My posting here has nothing do with being a moderator, I own the Desire HD and I was a user. Being a moderator does not inhibit my ability to post on topics that relate to me.

Care to clarify that? My handset worked perfectly fine before & after every update that HTC released. Nothing wrong with the software HTC released

Without picking holes in this, we lost ICS, thats it. Nothing more. HTC said that the Desire HD would get it. It didn't. ICS was the only update that didn't come. My wife's Samsung Galaxy S I, released a few month before the Desire HD, Has that got ICS from Samsung? No. Will it get ICS? No.

I think I answer this above, does your brother have Samsung ICS on his SGS I?

No I won't like I have to repeat myself, I buy anything on the features it offers me today, the features I use until I choose to upgrade. Not because of any "future" updates that will or will not come. Look through my post history, and find 1 post from me complaining about not having feature x,y or z. You wont find any.

The Desire HD is 20 months old, whether or not you bought it on launch day or not is irrelevant.

@motherninja - Laptops & computers are completely different. Did Lenovo send you the Win7 upgrade disc for free? And do they install it for you? A laptop/computer is bough as-is, no free upgrade promises are made (unless your lucky and buy at the right time just before a new version is available). You choose to upgrade a laptop, not the manufaturer. And you do it, if your laptop can handle the increased demands that a new OS brings.
[Desire HD General] I_L_I_J_A:
Lets agree to the fact that htc does not value loyal costumers and DHD was 12 months old when ICS was released, if htc lied for 4 months more it would be 24 months old model

SENT FROM MY LAST HTC PHONE
[Desire HD General] Pedal_Bike_Pete:
Give us ICS!
[Desire HD General] GuyInTheCorner:
I don't care if they don't release and 'update' just give us a kernel to work with, the amazing minds here will sort the rest :)

Sent from another dimension...

thanks don't hurt ya know? :)
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Ok I'm in UK but last time I ponied up any money upfront for a phone was my treo 680 on orange for 49GBP. DHD cost me 0GBP one week after launch on 25GBP/month contract.
[Desire HD General] ricc@rd:
I have to repeat that we do not need any update from htc!! And we understand their problems. We just want a WORKING KERNEL 3.0 that they could easily release if they really tested the update!! Why don't they release it? Is it just a marketing decision?

Inviato dal mio HTC Desire HD
[Desire HD General] I_L_I_J_A:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/06/quad-core-galaxy-note-10-1-source-code-wastes-no-time-available/

This is why htc is failing in the market

Quad-core Galaxy Note 10.1 source code wastes no time, available now

Samsung owners dont need to beg
[Desire HD General] Andy:
I have to agree partly with that.

I feel that after "testing" they ICS software on the DHD, they found it to be sub-par. And they did not want to invest time nor money into getting it to work either.

As for the kernel, they have gone quiet over this. If they would have released ICS, a 3.x kernel seems likely. Bear in mind that the One X with ICS has a 2.6.39.4 kernel, not 3.x. And they would've had to release the kernel source anyway.

Perhaps it was the kernel that was causing the issues with performance? That's purely speculation on my part, but who knows?

I'm all for discussion on this topic, please don't think for one minute that I'm not, or trying to silence all HTC critics.

HTC are far from perfect, but find me a company that is.
[Desire HD General] recolor-shrink-spool:
Looks like there's still some hope left (for developers):

Translation from the bold part: The request to publish the Source code for developers, is already in escalation and I won't do that again. It happened with previous handsets that HTC then publishes the Source code, so I assume that this will also happen now.

It's not very clear but at least indicates they know the request and maybe also do what they're asked for...
[Desire HD General] commando0:
i think ditching htc is better then begging htc ............

ditch htc the way they have ditched us .....

ditch htc .....

ditch htc ....

ditch htc ....
[Desire HD General] s4k1s:
Just fyi I live in Greece and HTC One X, with a 2-year contract paying 100euros/month in Vodafone, costs 396euros and One S 60 euros less.. So yeah. Buying a new at least 4.3" screen, with good build quality handset is expensive. Especially if you take in mind that the full time work basic salary is below 500 euros/month
[Desire HD General] genab.de:
i really believed, that HTC make an third statement - with the real Reason - not enought money for this, becaus of the bad situation, who is the last days ettherywhere in the press --

and maybe

only maybe, this is a real statement - a real reason, i would understand....

but nothing........

i really cant believ what happens with the Desire Hd, and with the HTC flyer, and the canceld HTCsense.com and and and..

i am 10 Years Customer....

i recomende my hole life HTC, to all my Friend, Falam,y and other Companys..
[Desire HD General] Anon_1989:
Guys, I think we all know that you're never going to get it officially, we really shouldnt take it too personally, not like they said "promise", HTC is having a bad time and its had to make tough decisions, if they were to release anything it would obviously affect their profits even if they claim it to be a minor percentage. We have well capable developers and should be thanks to them we have a kernel 3 and sense 4, we are also getting a Jellybean. Atleast this way we know there isnt any dodgy network/call monitoring stuff implemented into our OS lol!

Our devices can only go so far due to hardware limitations. Its not like HTC are have increased profits, their profits were down 60% . HTC has laid off people/people have lost jobs, and closed firms down afaik, they've also went from 50% shares to 25% shares on beats. I know we all love HTC devices cause of the build quality of their devices, this is something from wayyyyy back, http://www.petitiononline.com/tytn2vid/petition.html, thats 18000 signatures and afaik the community didnt get what they wanted. I think its time to stop crying over this and take it how it is, we arent getting an update end of, its better to shutdown the petition/thread than to ramble on something youll never get.

Dont get me wrong, im not on their side, but you're probably better off moving to another company, considering all HTC's "mistakes"
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
I personally gave up on HTC releasing anything related to desire hd and gave up on HTC as well ,for me its just the manner they dealt with the situation ,ics .no ics, we are not sure,we are looking into it,no ics ,yes ics ,no ics ,it was like a start up company with major communication problem,I mean HTC sense.com was cancelled ,that was a major desire hd selling point
[Desire HD General] Nece228:
You are wrong about kernel versions, if you follow what is happening in linux world youll see that kernel 3.0 is just name change, it is basically 2.6.40, just because this older versioning was confusing, they simplified it and called 3.0, while 3.0 is just minor update from 2.x
[Desire HD General] flyriver:
Signed, HTC fails big time!
[Desire HD General] MadMax:
Well everyone, no call from HTC yet, so Wednesday before I head out, I will be calling them and finding out what's up
[Desire HD General] htc_softbank:
Haha, well as a consumer I will exercise my rights use my purchasing power as I see fit. :cowboy: But I'm also going to recommend other brands over HTC to friends, family and anyone else that asks my opinion on what model/brand phone to buy. Essentially they made my blacklist alongside Sony.

Obviously I'm not going to toss the phone, but the fact they decided to have such a short software cycle on this phone is just unacceptable in my world. I've owned the same laptop since 2005, and it runs Windows 7 perfectly and does everything I need. I expect the same from my phone if it can run the software.

In HTC's infinite wisdom, they made a lame excuse that ICS would require a complete wipe. IMO that's a copp out excuse, because if you don't want your stuff erased you don't upgrade. Luckily the HD has good custom ROM support, so I'm on ICS now. But it would have been really nice if HTC released a stable ROM with full hardware support/drivers. Or as you said at least the kernal.

Ditch HTC, and anyone I know looking to buy a new HTC hanset will have me trying to convince them to go to another manufacturer!!!!!!!
[Desire HD General] blackwolfsa:
I live in SA. My contract costs me R300pm while I only have a R200 topup contract. So I pay R100pm for my phone. Before I decided on this contract I looked at the normal desire. So this one is quite the upgrade. I bought mine before the sensation was out in SA, so it was still the latests HTC phone.

When I bought my phone I could have taken the S2 for 330pm but that meant no 75mb data bundle pm on my phone.

But the real part that annoys me is that the phone was only 12 months old when ICS was announced. They lied for 8 months about it coming to DHD, then just say no is too old. They just lied enough so that we would accept that the phone was too old when they told us there would be no ICS.

@andyharney

You compare the galaxy s and the DHD and say that sumsung also didnt release ics for the galaxy s. Are you aware of the fact that then ics was released the galaxy S was already 15 months old. The DHD on the other hand was only 12. The galaxy s is 4 months older....
[Desire HD General] Madaz2:
quoted for truth

a lot of promises that people claim they were going to recieve ICS would of been made by the salesperson that sold them the phone

not a lot of sales people are genuine as they know if customers know 100% of the truth they may loose the sale so its easier to say "why YES your 12 month old DHD that we are putting you on a plan for $XX a month plus calls will get ICS" well its just easier, they keep their job and get a commission

sad but true

i for one have no drama's with HTC and swapping to the one X or what ever comes next
[Desire HD General] Mustaavalkosta:
Personally, I find it quite a funny logic that andyharney has been spreading here. As I understood it, you are claiming that manufacturer's upgrade history / policy should play no role at all when you are deciding on the phone, all that matters is the features as they are.

Well, how stupid is that. The software is the only part of your phone that can be changed with a decent amount of work or no work at all if manufacturer can do it smoothly enough. Manufacturer's updates can and usually will bring you at least minor improvement to the use value of your device, sometimes they take it to completely different level which is pretty much the case with upgrade from GB to ICS. Of course, this is completely taste issue but I see ICS as so major UI and usability upgrade that it pretty much gives my device a second life. Not to mention it enables me to use many apps that only work 4.0 and above which in the case of Chrome, for example, brings huge increase in use value in my daily use.

I find it a bit difficult to understand how this should not be seen as a deciding factor when you're getting a new phone? I understand it's all based on hope that the abstract will come to life but that usually makes the difference between successful and unsuccessful "things" - making the abstract ideas real.

In this case, HTC had an abstract idea but they didn't come through with it for yet unknown reasons (I don't take their blog's vague PR BS for a reason, problems are meant to be overcome if you dare to call yourself a programmer). If they had, that would have been a huge bonus, at least for me, when I'm going to decide on my next device knowing that this company has been delivering updates no matter how difficult it is to get them work, and by extension expecting them to continue on that path.

Can you maybe explain to me what's the reason that one should completely ignore these viewpoints when buying a phone? I'm not saying updates should be the only factor or even the biggest one but in my opinion they should play a role in the deciding process, however maybe varying from person to person based on their personal preferences and upgrade cycle.

I already apologize for my tone which probably can be interpret as hostile. I'm not here to pick a fight, just wondering what's the reasoning behind ignoring updates completely.
[Desire HD General] Andy:
Funny Logic?

When looking at buying anything, I look for the features & benefits it offers me at the time of purchase, not at some arbitrary point in the future that is dependant on an "update" that may or may not come. So yes to agree with you, the update history has no impact on whether or not I buy anything. My cars OS has not been updated since I bought it 6-7 years ago. Does that mean I should not buy another Lexus? (Great cars BTW).

What are you calling stupid, my viewpoint or your opinion that it takes "no work at all" for a manufacturer to update the software? Have you any idea the amount of testing Manufacturers have to do, to get their devices compliant with all regulations that are required by law? Take the recent Nexus S, the 4.1 update was delayed by Vodafone as it failed in its requirements to call emergency numbers (in laymans terms).

Here is a post by JBQ that details why it takes around 8 months -/+ for updates to be pushed out. --> https://plus.google.com/112218872649456413744/posts/LG8VK9NNRTq

Its not difficult to understand at all, its you that has that difficulty. Why should I buy something, and then have to wait to use it to its full capacity for which I bought it for?

If you want updates no matter what buy a Nexus device, thats what they are there for.

I think I answered above why I buy certain things, and my viewpoints for them. Remember at the end of the day, (you answered it yourself) it just a phone. A tool used to communicate whilst mobile.

Now I end with this, Other than the UI (which we'd never see with HTC Sense in the way) What are the fundamental differences between 2.3 GB & 4.0 ICS. And how they would benefit you or everyone else with the Desire HD?

Or is it because the version number is higher it must be better, so therefore you want it?
[Desire HD General] Anon_1989:
Theres a huge number of benefits for the desire hd from 2.3 to 4.1, yes our devices support it since there is no hw restrictions, not many people here know what the benefits are, most people just want it cuz its a higher number LOLOL
[Desire HD General] Andy:
I think you've taken my car analogy a bit too far. Even after a software update, could my car fly? It'd take a very major hardware update to achieve that.

I used the car as an example of buying something with a proven history of no updates to the OS.

You points about tethering and Chrome. Tethering would in most cases be removed from the update by the carriers, only those with unbranded devices would get this, if that were the case. You can tether on GB, check the playstore for apps, Koush even wrote an app that doesn't even need root. If Chrome is the only valid reason why you think the Desire HD should get ICS, then there is nothing we can do about that.

Yes, as I said before update history has no impact on whether I purchase something. When I bought the Desire HD, I had a number of alternatives, all I thought were not what I wanted. I can't remember exactly what was available, but the Desire HD was leaps & bounds above them in terms of features. Sceen size, Weight (I like heavy), Speed & General feel. Thats why I bought it.

If in your Hypothetical scenario there was a choice between a Desire HD 1 and a Desire HD 2, with 1 getting promised updates for 24 months, while number 2 only 12 months. Of course I would pick number 1. But that information is never given to the customer on the day of purchase, nor is it promised. Find me a statement from HTC actually promising the Desire HD ICS update?

Like you mentioned in a prior post, I'm not arguing about this, I have bigger and better thing to do with my time. I enjoy healthy debate. Sometimes my writing style indicates hostility, but that is never the case.
[Desire HD General] Andy:
There is a huge number of benefits from 4.0 to 4.1.

The big features from 4.0 we can't use on DHDs anyway. I.e. Face Unlock, Android Beam. There are of course a huge number of underlying code improvements, but they would be transparent to the end user.
[Desire HD General] iPwn_:
They main reason I want ICS is hardware acceleration. It has worked wonders for enhanced fluidity in web zooming and scrolling.

But I'm not really here to complain because I'm comfortable with using the ICS ROMs currently available.
[Desire HD General] I_L_I_J_A:
I think we should make a public letter to htc stockholders that the time is now to dump the stocks. :D

Not just in spite I really think htc will go the way of RIM and Nokia. I know I'll cost htc around 100 phones sale as a lot of people ask me what phone to buy and before if was htc of course and now is don't buy htc, don't even consider it.
[Desire HD General] Mustaavalkosta:
Yeah, well, I guess I just proved my point that update policy is a factor, even if you personally choose to give it very little weight in real life. And although this goes way off my point again, I didn't claim that HTC has promised anything, you must have backflashes from your previous conversations here. Actually I wasn't really talking about HTC at all, I tried to raise the issue into an abstract level to cut off the emotion and other external noise, so there would be only the issue at hand. :)

All I was arguing was that if there is promise (maybe not the best word to use here as this promise isn't actually written in stone as you seem to interpret it, ie. promise of better tomorrow, which doesn't necessarily mean it will be better, if this clears what I mean by promise) of better software support by one manufacturer than from the another, one must weight it in the decision process in one way or another as it is a factor how miniscule it might be according to your personal preferences. As this is so vague promise it really doesn't have anything to do with any specific time periods of support or any other such specific things. General reputation, which I mostly had in mind, isn't actually anything concrete and varies subjectively.

Anywho, as this seems to keep dragging its way out of my abstract level of thinking and abstractions as you keep arguing against my sidepoints and too specific examples, I'm going to rest my case. Maybe I should be in some philosophical forum discussing this issue. :)
[Desire HD General] Andy:
Your absolutely correct with general reputation. I base most, if not all, of my decisions on information from varying sources and known fact/knowledge, not the "recommendation" of others as that does vary wildly.

I must admit that your correct about update policy, but given that choice, I think everyone would choose the option with longer upgrade support. I must add though, that this adds just a minuscule amount to my decision making process.
[Desire HD General] Aaron78:
I just voted and there are over 14,800 signatures. How about that HTC!!
[Desire HD General] Anon_1989:
Htc dont care

See you all at page 200 with no official RUU lol!
[Desire HD General] MephHD2:
ICS for DHD plz. :laugh:
[Desire HD General] angramenyu:
I check this thread everyday after work just to read about the news that at least HTC is releasing the kernel. Someday, I will find out the good news.
[Desire HD General] kopbem37:
give us ics offical

:victory:
[Desire HD General] hozikanch:
Plz just the kernel atleast

---------- Post added at 11:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:29 PM ----------

Seriously this makes me think twice now before opting for a new phone and going for a HTC....cause Samsung is way better in there after sales software updates.....
[Desire HD General] kkszysiu:
Yeah! All we need is official 3.x.x kernel for HTC (Well, we don't need it but it may help us to build things)
[Desire HD General] unometooo:
AT&T Free Msg: AT&T is providing a critical software update that will enhance the performance of your HTC Inspire device. This software update is only available via WiFi. From your HTC Inspire, please connect & remain in WiFi coverage, then go to Settings > AT&T Software Update > Check for updates.

Just got this txt an hour ago? What could this be

Sent from my Inspire 4G Ice Cold Sandwich
[Desire HD General] Shimmty:
The update is for sense 3.0, not ics.
[Desire HD General] I_L_I_J_A:
BGR: "HTC’s (2498) struggles did not relent in the second quarter as the company’s profit tumbled 58% compared to the same quarter last year. To make matters worse, the company’s third-quarter guidance sees sales dropping by 23% as margins continue to thin. HTC’s revenue declined at an even swifter rate during the first month of the quarter, and investors reacted on Monday and Tuesday by shaving more than $1 billion from the company’s market capitalization in just two days. “HTC’s weak third-quarter outlook means it will continue to lose market share and any market-share gains in China won’t likely offset its substantial loss in its key Europe and U.S. markets,” RBS analyst Wanli Wang told The Wall Street Journal. Shares of HTC stock have fallen by more than 50% so far this year."
[Desire HD General] nexy33:
serves them right bring out a phone then drop support for it 12 months later forcing people to upgrade all the time plan had to backfire sooner or later not like its the first time they have done it
[Desire HD General] coloured_chalk:
Very hard to read. Lot of letters :)
[Desire HD General] Walderstorn:
They are going "nokia style"

If they dont re-think their way of doing things HTC will eventually end the same way, jackasses.
[Desire HD General] kurtph1969:
Thank you for this thread. I have signed the petition (twice now I think!)

Has anyone had any luck contacting HTC direct on this link:

http://www.htc.com/uk/contact/

I've contacted them to express my disappointment with the update U-Turn and I was surprised to receive a call from HTC customer services today. Went through the usual "you promised an update then changed your mind" and "you have let down a lot of your customers". The guy acknowledged that there was nothing he could do for me, but makes me wonder if they are starting to listen. Hope people on here can share any comments they have received directly from HTC?
[Desire HD General] whiperhack:
FYI
[Desire HD General] Tarek82:
:thumbup:
[Desire HD General] q:):
So, when would be a good time to buy HTC shares? (presuming they learn their lessons)
[Desire HD General] GuyInTheCorner:
I predict by the end of the year

Sent from my Desire HD with BlackIce.

Thanks don't hurt ya know?! :)