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[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
14000+ signatures, word of mouth, and bad press could easily turn into over 100000 lost sales for HTC. If they make 100 per phone, that is 10 million in lost profit. I don't think the shareholders would be too happy with this. A percentage of the lost customers probably won't ever come back to HTC either. Who knows how many customers they will lose, 14000 is just who signed. For all we know, it might be 100000 DHD owners and then word of mouth on top of it. This could actually add up to 500000+ lost customers when all is said and done if they don't come through. Why would anyone jeopardize losing even 10000 customers when they already have the software? Just release what you already have!
[Desire HD General] XDA_h3n:
Signed

Signed from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App
[Desire HD General] boss man Kole:
Signed! Hopefully they notice. How many people do u think signed it so far?
[Desire HD General] miosine:
more than 300, look the orange progress bar...
[Desire HD General] MacWell:
I've signed the petition, and also contacted the marketing manager for my region on twitter.

I send te following message:

Translation:

Me: To bad, so there will be no ICS for DesireHD. I'snt a stripped version possible?(just like they did with 2.3 on the normal Desire?)

He replied: we have looked in to that, but it didn't seem achievable. Sorry

let's hope this petition changes that!

sorry for the bad translation
[Desire HD General] Djsam92:
Signed!
[Desire HD General] Cbxu:
signed.. HTC, this makes us sad pandas.
[Desire HD General] filojs:
Done!! It's really sad this new..
[Desire HD General] aidinvm_ultimate:
@ all

plz have a look here guys :) :) :) :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1786849
[Desire HD General] mercy212:
Signed
[Desire HD General] p2pjack:
Signed it :)
[Desire HD General] lms24:
Also signed although I have a DZ but we need at least the kernel...
[Desire HD General] eagle_abhi:
SIGNED.............................................................................................

you still believe in them?.....:D

here is something which will make us forget HTC.(......HTC has lost the market big time and its a past,so let us forget the past..:laugh:)

http://androidcommunity.com/acer-cl...one-appears-with-4-3-inch-hd-screen-20120210/
[Desire HD General] mushtafa:
Signed...
[Desire HD General] kore_sar:
Signed.

Spread it all over 4 social networks I am active in.

Asked several friend personally to sign it.

Left a note on HTC facebook page.

Now, see this interview?

http://www.entrepreneur.com/blog/223994?cam=Dev&ctp=Carousel&cdt=1&cdn=223994

Look what the co-founder of HTC says:

Let's throw these words to HTC, either on facebook page or at any other place.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
i was just thinking , and i realised that htc never worked on ics for dhd actually , cause every device that got ics from htc has had a leaked build test, be it sensation ,desire s, evo3d and so on .only dhd didnt get a test build. cause it never was , if it it did ,it would have been leaked like all other models did leak.
[Desire HD General] kore_sar:
This means HTC lied to us for half a year?!
[Desire HD General] lms24:
reached 500+ signatures ! :D
[Desire HD General] aidinvm_ultimate:
hihihiihihih :):):):):):):):):)

good news lol:D
[Desire HD General] andydavids:
don't think htc will reverse their decision on ICS but we still have brilliant devs in here to show HTC that DHD will be able to support ICS :laugh:
[Desire HD General] GuyInTheCorner:
Screw HTC, I'm already rocking working Jelly Bean so they can shove their 'Memory Issues' and 'Incompatibilties' up something....

Sent from another dimension...

thanks don't hurt ya know? :)
[Desire HD General] mrjonnyrock:
HTC’s lowers outlook as profits sink in second quarter

maybe the fact that they are annoying their customers has a little bit to do with that as well :p
[Desire HD General] Floep:
and to many released handsets

and wrong marketing only pointing at camera and who cares beats audio

and late coming updates

and wrong naming roadmap of devices

and concentrating to much on sense

and build-quality problems

and restricting with nonchangeable-battery, no sd-card, usb OTG would be nice, too

and being brilliantly quiet, after annoying users

and probably some other things

Edit: and taking windows phone 7 seriously :P
[Desire HD General] ABorgh:
Haha funny...
[Desire HD General] akshhae:
I think that HTC will release the kernel code like they have did in past for Desire. Keeping Fingers crossed.
[Desire HD General] Rabim:
At&t

At& has just release officail inspire update for ics people we are still going strong

i do think this pation had something to do with it.
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
Wait, what? Where? Gonna do a search. All I know is that at&t release sense 3.0 a few days ago.

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] pelayostyle:
That was not an ICS update
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
They released gingerbread with sense 3 no ics
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
How quickly people forget. Or is it because it's the weekend? :rolleyes:

What's the latest max?

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] havitoc:
I don't think htc will change their mind by giving us ICS.

cause they lack of human resources and budget.
[Desire HD General] MadMax:
Waiting for a call, last time they called on the weekend so we will see, if I do not hear from them, will call on Monday. Trust me I am not giving up, but also dealing with working on ROMs and also something else which will be announced soon. Plus personal stuff so I have been busy
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
No worries. I was just using that as an excuse to bump the thread since it was some what quiet.

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] alexngboy123:
I give up and root my DHD for flashing sense 4 rom :good:
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
thi isnt giving up , buddy !

You can always unroot your device and get ics . If that coming.;)
[Desire HD General] alexngboy123:
BUT, I think HTC will not release ICS and sense 4 upgrade for DHD .....................
[Desire HD General] Madaz2:
ICS and sense 4 was never on the table it was going to be sense 3.6
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
yes , but in advace this is ics .:)

---------- Post added at 08:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:53 AM ----------

DONT LOSE YOUR HOPE . HTC IS UNDER PRESSURE !!

IF WE ARE LUCKY ICS COMING FOR US .:highfive:
[Desire HD General] ninjason:
good work! hope this gets up
[Desire HD General] alexngboy123:
OK! I lose as I have waiting this upgrade for a long time

Even if HTC release the upgrade, this must not be ICS and sense 4 , just only sense 3.6 :eek::eek:
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
yea right, i know that is 3.6 ,

but if that coming for us we can use sense 4 roms withiut any bog .

And now we have sense 4 roms but isnt high quality .
[Desire HD General] alexngboy123:
In fact, I have rooted my DHD and flashing the rom - Virtuous Infinity v1.31.0 Alpha2

Camera is also fixed, and the rom is smooth enough :good:

I don't know why you said that sense 4 roms isn't high quality :confused:
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
THI ISNT RIGHT PLACE FOR THAT explanation .

I EXPLAIN IT FOR YOU IN OTHER TOPIC OR PM ,

SORRY FOR OFF TOPIC GUYS .
[Desire HD General] alexngboy123:
Ok! Don't mind ! :)
[Desire HD General] walent:
Why caps-lock all the time?
[Desire HD General] robertus3d:
Signed!

I don'tmind sense version, but the most important thing is source kernel, so our developer may continue to cook amazing room! :D
[Desire HD General] f1962:
+1
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
:D:laugh:
[Desire HD General] Walderstorn:
I keep sending 1 email a day, if every1 did this they would get tired enough :P
[Desire HD General] jangomango:
Just upgrade your phone you cheapskates ?
[Desire HD General] Baba_Bhai:
I flashed this rom today ....it realy good and now i dont feel the need of stock ics bcoz its enough and good quality:thumbup:
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
GOOD WORK:good:

:D
[Desire HD General] dhd1802:
wow! why didnt we all think of that... could be not everyone is due an upgrade yet!
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
That really isn't the point. And please don't people how to spend their money. Not everyone has money to blow on on a phone when they have to pay their mortgage, electricity, put food on the table for their kids, pay for schooling, etc.
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
I'm up to about 50 now between ICS for DHD and timely release of kernel source for all phones.
[Desire HD General] simtsa:
It is ridiculous

I just saw an non original galaxy note with the same cpu with desire hd, 512 mb system memory and 328 mb ram. With pure ics without sense . It was good for the 100€ price. With two sims and tv and the battery 2500mah. I can’t understand why htc make such a foolish to keep sending customers away. I believe that they want to close the company. It is too bad for so many people to lose their jobs because I’m living that every day here in Greece.
[Desire HD General] yanniks:
That's the point. And if they release the source code of the kernel some people may think about buying a DHD just for playing with roms.

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[Desire HD General] Polar67:
One spoilsport coming right up

Hi Y´all.

I hate to be a party pooper :crying: but it´s been more than a week now since htc gave us the lame "further explanation" at their blog.

What kind of official statements have we received since then? Basically a first rate oyster impersonation.

Am i the only one who´s beginning to think they aint gonna listen to reason?

Just how extensive was the "extensive testing" actually?

If they had anything for the develper community to release at all - wouldn´t they have done so by now?

What i don´t understand at all is this:

The DHD originally was released as their top of the line device.

It came as a successor to the Desire. In its own - one of their biggest hits.

They simply cannot be oblivious to the fact that they are currently taking a dump on a sizeable fraction of their core customer base.

Regards

ELO
[Desire HD General] ugolok:
Polar67

+1 !!!:good:
[Desire HD General] fransabe:
+1.:)

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[Desire HD General] Andy:
HTC have confirmed that ICS is not coming, what further official statements are you after?

These are taken from HTC Elevate, some in response to valid questioning by users.
[Desire HD General] motherninja:
@andyharney

Sir, since you're had an access to HTC Elevate, can you please ask them (HTC Elevate) about how if they release only the ICS kernel source code for DHD? \

It's like we (the community) already understand about HTC did not want to release the OTA update and the reasons behind it, but at least they can provide us the kernel source code (not the entire ROM//RUU), so regular customers will not have to mess their phone, I don't think that is too much to ask.
[Desire HD General] angramenyu:
Listening to you and the HTC rambling almost makes me want to switch to Apple. That's right, Apple. I have never owned an iPhone, but as I know, the iPhone 3Gs is getting most of the updates, and there are two iPhones ahead of that one. I haven't seen Apple telling their clients to upgrade to their latest phones because sells of these devises are languishing.

So, do not come here telling people that HTC made the right decision and blaming us for not letting go of the issue. Andsending us to upgrade. They should release the kernel, if they ever made one, it is in the License agreement, I think.
[Desire HD General] ricc@rd:
+1000 to this! Please andy (or hamdir), since you are members of htc elevate, please ask them to release only the kernel sources for us! We do not want their promised OTA!! We just need a working kernel 3.0 for our roms!! They certainly have it, if what they say is true.

I hope you could understand that

:)

I also understand that releasing an update that would wipe data, would be an error, but if THIS is the real problem, as we all know, they could simply do a lighter update like they did for the old desire ;)

It would be certainly better that non-manteining a promise...
[Desire HD General] Andy:
Rambling? I merely re-posted what HTC posted. Whether you agree with what HTC say is upto you.

In my personal opinion,

I could not give a monkey whether HTC releases anything for the Desire HD, my Desire HD is about 22 months old (Oct 2010). I've moved on to the One X. Do I expect that to get updated beyond 12-18 months? No.

As I have previously said, I buy things for the features they offer me today. Not for some OS that may be released in 6-12-18 months time.

Where did I say HTC made the right decision? I don't believe I have. I may have said somewhere that I understand HTC's decision. Anyone with an ounce of business sense would understand their decision.

If you want an iPhone good for you, they are great handsets. Getting one in protest because you "hate" HTC/Android is your decision, I won't loose any sleep over it, nor do I care.

@motherninja - That point has been brought up already. The HTC rep said they are "looking" into an "unofficial" solution. I would not hold my breath about it though, as the rep says it has to pass through many people before anything can happen.
[Desire HD General] Polar67:
Hi Andy!

Embarrassingly so i´ll have to admit never having heard about HTC elevate before.

It was my understanding that the original statement about dropping ICS for DHD was posted in this blog:

http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/

Just as the "Further explanation" originated here as well.

It therefore struck me as logical that any further official statements - e.g. htc, at least partially, reconsidering, would originate here as well.

Having said this, i still stand corrected. Evidently htc has commented further on the matter.

It appears a htc representative made this statement. If that is indeed the case then someone at htc has evidently asessed that dropping a scheduled and publicly announced ics update would be the "overall smallest suicide". (horribly put - i know - couldn´t think of a better way)

I haven´t updated for a while now but if my memory serves me well there´s always a warning about potential loss of data.

Whoever made this statement does have a small point. Yes if your phone is being updated to the extent of it´s abilities then your "new handset purchase frequency" will drop.

On the other hand you´ll experience at supplier that has first rate after sales support wich will all but ensure that when you do update it´ll be to another HTC handset wich´ll expand your core customer base. That has got to be a sought after value as well.

I for one planned on skipping the One X and keeping my updated DHD in the hope that the next HTC flagship would be more to my taste.

Now - i´m not so sure. SGSIII looks promising. I´m just one customer of course.

Regards

ELO
[Desire HD General] htc_softbank:
Not a valid point. So with HTC's reasoning I should toss out a perfectly good device because they don't want to support it anymore and get me to buy a new handset?

My first phone was an HTC Desire. Now I have the hd.

Next will not be HTC. I'm done with them.
[Desire HD General] Andy:
Hi Polar.

While technically correct, the things HTC say in HTC Elevate should not really be repeated elsewhere as its not HTC's "official" method of communication. I do see your reasoning though.

As they put it, we are the minority. If they piss off the 1% rather than the 99% less overall damage would be done. Your correct about the potential data loss, this time it would've been a guaranteed data loss.

I did consider waiting for a go on the SGSIII, having tried the original SGS & SGSII I personally found them to feel "cheap", hard to describe exactly, but they didn't feel right if you know what I mean.

@htc_softbank - Whether or not you buy another HTC is your choice and purely a decision you should make. To do anything else would be foolish.

Why should you toss it out? Did it stop working because the ICS update isn't coming? Doubtful. The Desire HD is still a capable handset, more than capable to continue to function and provide a good level of enjoyment for the next 6-12 months. Which would be the toward the start of most peoples "upgrade cycle".

Now I'm reading between the lines hear a little, by expanding on this comment.

My interpretation of this is that, some users who would upgrade to a new handset wouldn't because of endless software updates. Not all users, just some.

What support does the Desire HD need to continue to function the way HTC originally intended, with the features they sold it to you with? I don't think there are any.

As for releasing the 3.0 kernel source, as I've said before. I hope they do, but I doubt they will.
[Desire HD General] AnumEndzeit:
But for the .1%, that isnt a huge increase in profits if they do release it for HTCdev.

.03% of the original .1% will upgrade and the 99.9% will get a new phone eventually so everyone wins technically. I see no further reason why they wouldnt release it anyway over HTCdev.

This way, if they dont release anything, we lose either way and HTC gets barley a profit.

(i would be fine of HTC not releasing anything if they hadnt made a plan to update but they did and kept us waiting for nothing)

otherwise i doubt the Desire HD could handle anything above JB so i would be content for them releasing the source for Kernel 3.0

Also, a device cant keep up with updates forever. Can you still run windows 7 on a windows 2000/ME computer very well while still keeping functionality? Phones are worse that way because they are small and have even less powerful CPUs. I can tell that its struggling with full Sense 4 without any tweaks/optimizations (yes i know its on Alpha but still)
[Desire HD General] mrjonnyrock:
HTCs Sense is like that hot chick you walk past everyday on the way to school. She’s smoking hot and stands out from the crowed, always gets the attention and everyone wants to be around or with her. :fingers-crossed:

But the hot ones always have issues man and that is the position HTC are in now. Their good looking Sense is just too high maintenance and has way too many issues on the older phones. :silly:

Fact is Sense was a very bad idea for phones that do not have dual core cpus with lots of memory. :( well that is unless you want to force you customers to buy a new phone every few months. We should not have to do that.

The amount of people i know who have got ‘free’ contact upgrades to low/mid range HTC phones and hate them because they are rubbish and Sense makes the phone even worse. :p

Bye bye future HTC customer. From what i can see Sense is losing HTC customers. :angel:

So although the modern phones run well with Sexy Hot Sense i don’t want HTC anymore and i think many people are in the same boat. :eek:

I would rather have my average looking Touchwiz than smoking hot looking Sense any day. :victory:

HTC not really that Brilliant.
[Desire HD General] Walderstorn:
Its not just the fact we represent a small part of htc comunity, even a small part of htc desire hd community, the real fact is, i have 2 friends that got HTC cause i said they were great!!

Now my brother in law bought last week a samsung sIII, thank god he took his time buying it since i initially said he should get an ONE X, fortunately i had enough time to mend my mistake.

Now HTC is forgetting that each one of us can:

A) Get other people to buy HTC if we have good experience

B) Get other people NOT to buy htc cause we had a bad experience

I fully hate the fact that 2 people spent money buying htc cause i said so, now ill do exactly the other way around, HTC for me isnt a buyable option anymore.

When i eventually have money ill buy a samsung and give this one to my girlfriend or ebay it or something.

Its funny how HTC forgot that 1 person can get more or less people to buy their products.
[Desire HD General] KriwilAbiz:
LOL

I even made 4 of my friends got HTC. :eek:
[Desire HD General] mehrshadkh:
That's right. Cause in this days I'm telling every one not to buy HTC. And I should answer to all of moderator words that may be Desire HD become old but just look at how many upgrade this device recieved from HTC?! Non of those upgrades were good enough to use device advantages. And one more thing look at time of each upgrade. We recieved each original update 4 or 5 month after samsung's updates and our was the worst. And we lost some update versions in time of HTC's slow support. You may bought HTC one X and you never goes for samsung devices supports but before you try to defense a company It's realy good to a few investigate on other devices and other big companies. All of my words are because me and my brother bought our phone at same time. Mine Desire HD and he bought Galaxy S. HTC is the worst on software support. So soon you will be the next who is saying that....! Samsung support a device till it can handle latest version. They never stop support because a device become old. Desire HD is an old device but many of new devices had same specific and some how less specific than Desire HD. son that's not true you say It's an old device.
[Desire HD General] motherninja:
Ok, so this is only my personal opinion about this whole situations. Generally, smartphone manufacturers (except Apple or course) nowadays always forced/encouraged their flagship handsets users to upgrade their handsets to newer one after 1 or 1.5 years of ownership by deliberated not giving any future updates (let left alone the low-end handset owners, I'm sure they don't care about it as long as their handset is working as expected). Whereas their flagship phone priced almost or even higher than mid-end notebooks.

Now, my Lenovo IdeaPad Y430 which I bought in June, 2008 with original Windows Vista pre-installed still working well until today (I typed this post with that noteboook), now it even already upgraded to Windows 7 Professional SP1 and I am sure this notebooks can also handle Windows 8. So, if the points is HTC needed money to continuity of company lives so they need to force users to upgrade their flagship phones after 1 or 1.5 years, it did not seem too acceptable. Imagine what happens to notebook manufacturers if they did the same thing like this to their customers. It is just not make any sense. They (notebook manufacturers) still survive until today with their business without forcing users to upgrade their notebook after 1 year. CMIIW
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
Hmm, the problem with saying that the DHD is too old is that the SDK for ICS was released in October, 2011 - only 12 months after the DHD was released.
[Desire HD General] simtsa:
Away from brand phones

I was the first of my coworkers who buy DHD and they shaw the quality and after me there where more than 15 people who buy an HTC phone the next 6 months. And after that android start to realised new versions and we waiting for moths even a year to see what was that and when finally we update the phones google released the next version.

I will never convince anyone to buy a HTC phone because the support is way too slow from the others.

My next phone will be a simple nexus because it has everything you need for in a smartphone. Fast and always updated.
[Desire HD General] blackwolfsa:
I know quite a few people who bought a DHD. The guy I know who has his the longest, has his now about 15 months. I have my 11 months.

So for me the support for mine dropped just after a year. And that is after a year of very bad/slow support. I understand why they cant support the phone forever, but to only support it for a small period only support the phone for almost 2 years for the people that buy it at lunch? Of their total sales how much of those is lunch sales. Thats why you need to support the phone longer. I like most people dont have the money to buy a new phone very year, I replace my phone when my phone contract stops, meaning 2 years.

Couple this to the problem where the screen sucks in dust, I will think very long and hard on whenever I will buy HTC again. No matter how much I enjoy this phone. My brother has the S2 and my father the S1, it has much much better support...