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[Desire HD General] sub0min0us:
True! But if they're too childish to think that we'll upgrade to One X if they'll not give us ICS, then that's crazy on their part... It's a NO NO for me especially for those users who are still locked at least more than a year to their carrier. Still have enough time to think that HTC doesn't deserve to keep.
[Desire HD General] DavidTiger:
Two signs from myself and my father, both with DHD and would love a fully compatible Sense ICS :highfive:
[Desire HD General] hoang555:
SIGNED
[Desire HD General] Grant Barker:
My opinion on this differs to many.

I love my HTC Desire HD, still support it on my site and plan to continue doing so. (There is a link to the petition info too.)

Having said that, I've tried loads of roms and like many of you, I've happily used ICS custom roms the past few months (all be it without 720p video recording).

I prefer the MIUI ICS roms as I don't really like ICS that much out of the box.

Recently I've been looking for another apartment to live in and so I've gone back to Gingerbread to get the full video recording capabilities (without buying a 3rd party video app.) I recorded the apartments to keep me inspired and help me choose one.

Now I'm back on Gingerbread, I'm equally happy with the experience and the device. Of course it's easy for most of us to flash so many different roms ourselves, and we know that the community is productive and driven, so the possibility for a fresh experience is often just around the corner.

I think it's interesting that we feel the need to get the so called `latest and greatest', when in my opinion, it often isn't.

It's important to feel and see support for our devices, yes. The DHD is 2 years old soon (or coming up for that in November in Japan).

We are modders, so we mod, tinker and get a little addicted. I expect that kind of motivation will always scream for more.

However, unless there is something that you can not do on the previous release that you can on ICS, I wonder if your concern or disappointment is valid. Some of you will have a small list of things and that's great, and I do hope we get ICS, and I will use it if we do (because its the `latest').

But I don't need it. If I need to try an ICS compatible app for my site (hobby), I flash an ICS rom.

I did sign the petition.

I hope we get ICS, but I won't be disappointed if we don't.
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
It is, to me at least, not a matter of getting the 'latest' - nor have I taken the time to find out what are the advantages of having ICS on our dhd/inspire, nor am I even sure if our phones can handle it. Sure, people state it is possible, but I haven't done my own research about it.

The way I see it, and perhaps I am a bit too much of an idealist, is that our present global living conditions have allowed that the individual consumer be taken advantage of by a number of beaurocratic (businesses, corporations, etc.) institutions.

We saw the reports of those who contacted chat support, call centers, blogs, etc., everything I could mention has already been documented here on xda and other places around the net, media, literature and so on.

I will only mention call centers to serve as example: they are designed in such a way to deter complaints, accepting a certain percentage of "unhappy customers" (there is a point to this but I digress too much). This, as htc decided to cancel their update mentioned a few reasons we (all) believe/know to be untrue. Sure, I would say 90% of the people here have mentioned they will never buy an htc phone again - which globally is an insignificant percentage to htc. However, htc knows that maybe 10% of those will actually not buy an htc phone again - which is the sad truth. In time, people forget. Their emotions dissipate, finding 'reasons' to buy another htc phone.

It is this behaviour commonly seen all around we must join and fight against if we, the individual, wish to see change in the world. Againt businesses that have become effective at looking at numbers, but destroying something else along the way, our humanity.

Granted, not everyone feels, thinks and so forth the same way. Some don't even care. But somewhere, someone must take a stand and say this has been enough. Perhaps I am, an idealist, maybe I am just naive. Time will tell.

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] kore_sar:
Guys, I asked most popular Android news source of Australia to spread the word about our case and they did a separate post about it:

http://androidaustralia.com.au/2012...to-give-the-htc-desire-hd-ice-cream-sandwich/

Great, isn't it?
[Desire HD General] Hunt3r.j2:
Yes, HTC isn't obligated to do it. But does it represent a slap to the face for people who bought their phones? Yes.

Will the average user ever notice not getting a system update? Yes. Will anyone who even follows Android in the slightest notice? Yes. Do people who follow Android advise average users on what phones to buy? Absolutely.

HTC has a chance right now to show how they are willing to keep updating even their oldest phones, even when others don't. If they don't, then they'll just be in the same league as Samsung. If they do, they will be keeping lots of loyal customers. The ball is in their court. They can either do it right, or allow their reputation and repeat business fall further.
[Desire HD General] Will of fire:
They won't do it they want you to buy the latest and greatest. It sucks
[Desire HD General] motherninja:
Come on people, after I've read some anger posting from several people in HTC UK Facebook account, I started to think that we've gone too far in this case.

I think it doesn't really matter that HTC will release ICS for DHD or not, at least my DHD still serves me very well, recently I re-flashed Virtuous Affinity 2.05.0 (Sense 3.5) because I got bored with Sense 3.0 (ARHD 6.3.3), and I have to admit until now I can do anything I expect from this great smartphone. It runs very nicely, stable, and ALL FEATURES are working as expected.

So, my point is, stop wasting your time trying to push HTC to releases the updates, they just won't do it and we have to move on.

Personally I will for Sony Xperia series because pure Android (Nexus phone) is just boring, that's why I bought DHD and gave my Nexus S to my brother.
[Desire HD General] dt2158:
Dont stop! Thats is what htc wants. Waiting til nobody cares about that anymore. And i dont want root and make the testing work for htc.
[Desire HD General] kore_sar:
Totally agree with this point, however I ought to respond to the rest of your message.

The thing mainly not in ICS itself but in lies the HTC officials post on their pages.

* It is clear that DHD is capable to run any newest Sense and Android OS (up to 4.1). There are many facts confirming this you can find in this thread. Whereas, HTC said the smartphone is already performs on its maximum velocity.

* Their initial promise of ICS lead many people to buy DHD in this 2012 year. Thus, people literally loose some money they would better invest in SGS2 device, for example.
[Desire HD General] TrueAzrael:
Where is the problem for manufacturers to release the libs, drivers and so on for older devices to the community? I don't get it.

To all manufacturers of mobile devices, no TO ALL manufacturers out there, please release your hardware-related code as open source, as soon as the product is EOL. Shouldn't be a problem but will make everyones life a little bit better.
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
Really? I was beginning to think we haven't gone far enough!

Personally, I think that kicking up a stink as much as possible is the way to go. Do nothing, nothing will happen.

Plus, I don't like the fact that the HTC UK Facebook page have been banning (censoring) people for complaining about the update cancellation and for posting links to the petition.
[Desire HD General] batrado77:
It's not about the ICS update! It's about customer care. If htc did'nt put DHD in list of update, this situation never happens.
[Desire HD General] mynameis123:
9150 and counting

9150 signatures and counting
[Desire HD General] kaleun:
The point is, that HTC told us that we will get ICS for our device, and then in 11th hour pull the plug! Of course we are ANGRY and disappointed!
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
This is what happens when you lie and break promises to your customers.

If they are allowed to win, we lose now and in the future.

Give us what we were promised, and stop blatantly lying!
[Desire HD General] michael_duvalle:
I don't know if it's worth anything but I received a phone call from the Customer Service Feedback Team in response to a survey I completed after an online chat session with HTC Customer Service.

I was quite surprised at the call to be honest but I thought, why not just ask them directly to share whatever they were willing to on the ICS update with the XDA community. I don't know if it'll go any further but here's hoping.

On a sidenote, they did reference the fact that they had released an update to an older model previously after officially cancelling it earlier (one of the Desire models getting Gingerbread if I'm not mistaken).

Ambiguous, that's a novel way of defining HTC.
[Desire HD General] istux:
I couldn't agree with you more :mad:
[Desire HD General] yshaikh01:
Hi everyone

Check this out, has DHD listed for ICS testing. Maybe some hope...

Thanks
[Desire HD General] scorpio09:
HTC UK has deleted couple of my posts (posted as a response to others post) on FB. It is horrible and pathetic way of dealing with the unhappy customers.

I think we should take this censorship of posts to popular media so that whole tech world knows about the senseless behaviour of this mobile company. Does anyone have any contacts related to this ?
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
Unfortunately, I don't do FB or I'd join in. I find it

disgusting

that the HTC UK Facebook team are censoring people for posting their (reasonable) opinions.
[Desire HD General] Floep:
Sorry but have to say this:

IT´S OVER 9000!!!!!!

Wrote as many of you, a email to htc, but i`m not sure that there will be any answer from them.

At least 9300 angry DHD users * 500 Bucks = 4.6 Million loss.

As a manager i would get pretty worried. If 4,88 Million loss in beats-deal are newsworthy and had a impact on sharholders, this can get pretty serious.

9300 anti-recommendators for HTC wandering down the blogs, twitter,facebook or telling their friends.

I don`t get it, how can you piss of your largest userbases again and again and again, first the desire, than the Desire HD, the two top most known HTC-Android-devices out there, and think you getting away with it.

They should:

-get rid of the freaking bloatware sense, it`s cancer on android and the development cost them alot.

project butter made everything smooth in jelly bean, android ui seems to be adult for me now, so sense isn`t needed anymore , to hide

these things.

-totally abadon hyped Beats audio

-concentrate on good hardware, i bought DHD for the hardware, not bloatware, but the speaker was really lame, how could they?

-long-term-care-updates (2-2,5 years) on devices, aslong the hardware is really capable of it

-go android vanilla android to save resources and provide faster updates

-only recommend apk`s on first startup, but not preinstall anything

-produce one or two flagships a year and only concentrate on high priced devices, they should drop lower budget phones

-get a understandable naming roadmap of devices

-brandings that only consist of Backgroundpictures and apk recommendations of the carrier on first startup

-god damn a changable battery and sdcard-slot, what`s the point in doing it like apple?

-excuse on all channels they have for all the update-mess in the last 3 years.

-never block a bootloader again

-maybe some "flash and you don`t loose freaking hardware warranty" strategy

-be more open to community, beacause whilst using vanilla android, they have nothing to hide.

-never ever get a that lame excuse for not updating an device again

-give htc flyer and desire hd a vanilla jellybean, to prove that vanilla android is a good thing

Just my 2cents, won`t happen, would be to good to be true.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
HTC is deleting my posts too, and I was very polite in my posts
[Desire HD General] mamarast:
i bought my dhd in 2012 for ics .so wtf htc
[Desire HD General] maianh:
Signed.

Hope for the power of the community.
[Desire HD General] MiXed92:
I completly understand your anger but I cant agree with all your points:

1. Drop Sense

Many people like sense, sense was and is the thing that differs HTC from other brands. Sense was for me one of the main reason to buy a HTC.

2. Beats

Totally agree with you. Its enormously overhyped.

3. Hardware

Dont get your point here doesnt the One X have good hardware? And what do you expext from a cellphone speaker a three way system with round about 80 watts of power? The speaker is good enough to hear the ringtone in noisy sourroundings and show a youtube video to friend in a bit quieter atmosphere.

4. Updates

We already have 18 Month of update " guarantee". Even the Nexus phones dont have more guarantee afaik.

5. Vanilla android

Same as nr.1

6. Preinstall nothing

Couple things could be pre installed (Browser, Musik, Filebrowser etc) but would be very nice to chosse wich one you would have.

7. One device per Year (high price)

And whats about the people who doesnt want 4.7" or simply dont need quadcore. I personallly think that 3 devices per year is completly ok.

The flagship with all the new innovations

The middleclass nearly equal to flagship one generation erlier

The starter class for first timers or people who just want to phone to write sms and maybe sometimes check emails

8. Branding

Not the fault of HTC. every carrier chooses how deep they brand their phones

9. Doing it like Apple

100% percent agreed but just remembering wich brand brings out one device per year ;)

10. Excuses

You will propably never see something like this

11. Bootloader and warantie

I though all locked bootloaders could be unlocked with the HTC tool and about the warantie you think that if some kids brick their devices cause they couldnt read the tutorial HTC should repair their phones?

12. Open to community

In my opinion HTC is or at least was most open to community compared to other.

13. Lame excuse

Also completly agree with you

14. Vanilla for DHD and Flyer

Imho you will nevver see any official release wich not contains a coustom UI except for nexus devices. In adittion see again nr. 1
[Desire HD General] CSL00:
100% agreed. Sense was among the main reasons i bought htc phones (Hero and DHD so far), before was touchFlow (htc touch, touch diamond), so being vanilla is what makes it tough considering other OEMs, even after this whole mess i can't rule out getting a new htc phone.
[Desire HD General] sinir696:
WRONG!

ICS has been released under this time so htc must get us the upgrade!
[Desire HD General] DroidRunner:
No, they don't have to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufw2D8oMJ64&feature=youtube_gdata_player

from my HTC Inspire 4G using xda app-developers app
[Desire HD General] MiXed92:
Gues why I did set guarantee in qoutation marks...
[Desire HD General] MadMax:
OK I have sent some emails and we will see what happens by the weekend, till then, I will be watching the phone, but I am not going to be on to much, some stuff is happening and I need to deal with it.
[Desire HD General] if4ct0r:
"Awaiting submission of second round software by manufacturer to Vodafone for testing."

HTC is going to inform Vodafone about their decision to cancel the update and then this hope will be lost as well.
[Desire HD General] Floep:
1. HTC struggles, they have not the financal power to provide long-term-updates.Two "POSSIBLE" ways to handle that, drop sense, focus on updates or keep sense and drop older phones. If you bought a Phone without sense and it will get an long-term updates, or you have a phone with sense and get get stuck after one update, which way would bother you more?

Edit: Anyways, Sense seems to be the reason why so many people getting mad about this. They wan´t ics, even without sense .

2. thanks :)

3. Didn`t talked about the one x here, never held one in my hand yet. It was just a hint what bothered me the most on desire hd. The speaker was totally rubbish, if a huawai x3 for 99 bucks has a better speaker than a 500 buck one, i reasonably can question myself, what went wrong in quality managent.

4. 18 Month in wich timeline? After source released? DHD was 12-13 month old then. Or is it an 17 month old phone CAN get the Update of released sources, when it won`t take to long to port it? Just joking here, DHD was released before Google IO 2011 ;)

Aside, it didn`t talked about a "guarantee" here, i talked about a good-will handle of updates, to show that HTC actually cares and an android-device is up to date as the most users are in an contract.

5.see 1. either

6. i thought of twitter,facebook,syncsoftware,musicstores and such. I`m not on facebook or twitter, why should this software block resources.

7. I said one or

two

. Middle class and low budget isn`t a good playground and promising market. Caring and bringing Updates to them would be to expensive, than making yourself a name in the high price class and caring for them.

8.Yep, didn`t thought of that,when i wrote it.

9. thanks,but again i said one or two. And what`s the point in having more than two MAYBE three flagships a year?

10. i doubt it too ^^

11. Talked about hardware warranty. Bricks caused by flashing are more likely the "let the device fall on floor and break screen" in the Software way. But you`re right,this point it can be questioned.

12. Could be better, but ok, you`re right. It isn`t the most important thing atm.

13. hehe

14. Yes but why? Is the vanilla UI so bad, is it not customizable? It would differ, aside from nexus devices,from any vendor out there, and htc doesn`t have to do a thing :confused:
[Desire HD General] ricc@rd:
Ok max! Let us know then!

Did you write to htc support or to other emails?

Because htc support's replies are always the same, and sending claims to them doesn't change nothing!!

Thank you again and good work ;)

PS: we are near to 10000 signs!! we must continue till we get as many signs as possible!!

keep up sharing guys :D
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
B*stards. If there's one thing I

hate

, it's censorship.

The HTC UK Facebook team disgust me.
[Desire HD General] Indiwiz:
i signed this, i'm a DZ (well, G2) user. HTC doesn't realize that they're losing a lot of customers by not updating their phones. what they're thinking is that we'll go for something like the One series, but its making everyone want to go to Samsung, or Sony. I even seen one guy say he was going to get an iPhone.

as much as we ask, we'll never get a vanilla build unless a carrier changes this, as tmobile did with the DZ/G2. Sense 4 is pretty great though. It runs just as fast as AOSP, unlike bloated Sense 3.x ROMs. this is why i'm not understanding why HTC won't give us an update, besides the fact that they want us to migrate to their latest devices, when in actuality, it makes people want to leave HTC. they should see something here, there are almost 10,000 sigs, this is on the front page of XDA, and they obviously see it because they're deleting it off of their facebook. to the people who think this is going too far, you're wrong. this is just getting started. if we don't stand up and fight until we get what we were "promised" , HTC will continue to do this in the future. what i'm going to do is try and contact people from sites like phonedog, gsmarena, and others i see that have more power than most of us do, and very popular YouTube accounts to get the message to more of the community. i think it'd be great if others did the same.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
this is from facebook

iunn Shyang

Gentlemen, I am writing because I feel let down by his company, by the poor support they give to their products, late and wrong and how to fool all its users. Promised for months that they would update the Desire HD, android 4.0. And now they break their word.

The Desire HD is a completely valid and your hardware can support this update. How is this possible?

HTC Desire C: 600 MHz, Android ™ 4.0 with HTC Sense ™ 4, RAM: 512 MB

...

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HTC Hi, Yu. We are sorry hear that you feel frustrated. Please know that you are being heard, and we are passing this feedback along internally. As new information becomes available we will be sure to keep you updated here and on our ICS blog: http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/ .

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[Desire HD General] R!o†:
Milestone reached! 10.000 petition's

Can't post full link yet (no 10 posts)

Link: h t tp://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/10000b.png/
[Desire HD General] kobra_89:
I'm not sure that this petition will change mind at their stupids bastards of htc...
[Desire HD General] slicingtaco:
That's what I keep on thinking, but lets keep our hopes up though;)

If nothing happens, atleast we gave it our best effort:thumbup:
[Desire HD General] Superminer:
SIGNED! Let us show HTC, what we can do!

Send from my HTC Desire HD with hopefully ICS soon!!!
[Desire HD General] MeddlE-pf:
Signed. This will be my last HTC device if this is how they are going to treat us as customers. My upgrade is only 4 months away, looks like it will be a Samsung.
[Desire HD General] MacWell:
Just look up the Hashtag #dhd2onex on twitter.. (its dutch so use translations)

Here is his first tweet where he apologizes

Translate:

To my great regret, after Froyo update, no ICS # DHD. Combination of factors, including User Xperience, Timeline / Planning. # sorry.

second tweet with the posible promotion. (nothing is official jet and it's only in The Netherlands!)

translate:

To make amends, I can work on special trade-in promotion for One X (@coolblue for example), if there is interest. Let me know!

used google translate for translations
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
i hope its work for you and i'm happy whit that:)
[Desire HD General] omario8484:
Signed:D but I still don't think it will make HTC change their minds with 10 k were going to need alot more!
[Desire HD General] marl30:
Oh ok. Thanks. I just checked and saw the confirmation email.
[Desire HD General] alias84:
Spelling

Basic grammar/spelling corrections:

...then they

could at least do what

they...

...and now they need to

AT LEAST do

that...

I have signed the petition as well!
[Desire HD General] Bangincrazy:
Sell phone and get something better
[Desire HD General] alexngboy123:
Don't wait anytime for the update ~ just kidding me
[Desire HD General] maboss77:
Thank you, signed
[Desire HD General] Pop Tarantula:
ditto!
[Desire HD General] Ay4z:
Signed it ......its Done .................
[Desire HD General] Quinny899:
Yup, thank god I'm going nexus. Signed it for the community though :)
[Desire HD General] alexngboy123:
Signed it
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
Signed!
[Desire HD General] hartzan:
Done!
[Desire HD General] scorpio09:
Signed the petition.
[Desire HD General] flying_dutchman:
Signed as well ;)
[Desire HD General] ABorgh:
Signed!
[Desire HD General] kaise524:
Done!:)
[Desire HD General] robinmobile:
Done.... But next phone will be nexus.....
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Signed!

Sent from my Desire HD charged with ICS.
[Desire HD General] essassian:
Signed! Hopefully this gets through to them.
[Desire HD General] motherninja:
OK, I already signed the petition. But I swear my next phone won't be from HTC no matter how good the phone the would offers. This is my last time I dealt with them and it's sucks. Period.
[Desire HD General] giovandrea:
Signed me too!
[Desire HD General] Madaz2:
its a pity the petition doesnt show demographics