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[Desire HD General] andalism:
Whatever HTC whatever. Just remember that when you make a claim in your new flagship about "listening to consumers all the time". I'm not going to buy it anymore .

Sent from my Desire HD
[Desire HD General] kore_sar:
max63094, you wrote in the petition's ending: well they they need to help us

Remove one of "they" :)

I still do not understand, why HTC wanted to release Sense 4 for DHD but not Sense 3.6 which is 100 MB smaller thus perfectly fits the memory? Why don't they do as they did to Sensation XL/XE and release ICS with Sense 3.6?

Moreover, there are linux tools (i.e. libparted) which can re-partition without data lose. I believe HTC can insert two lines of shell script into their update ROM which would re-partition the file system.
[Desire HD General] MadMax:
Wow never saw it, lol will deal with it. Thanks.
[Desire HD General] antonizoon:
If HTC's statement is truly a lie, we need to describe (and maybe even create a procedure) that proves the fallacy of their statement.

To fully disprove their statement we need to do these things:

1. Create a Sense ROM within the existing partition size that keeps all existing functionality from the stock Desire HD.

2. Repartitions the user and system data

3. Provide examples of phones with similar specs or partitioning scheme that have been successfully updated to ICS, or at least have promises

4. (EXTRA CHALLENGE) Provide an example of a phone that has an OTA update that repartitions the internal memory

5. (EXTRA CHALLENGE) Try a test case where we flash over a 2.3 stock ROM with ICS Sense 4 without data loss or factory reset.

If we can pull this off, HTC will be stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Here are my thoughts:

1. We will need to create a stock-quality ICS ROM that retains all functionality of the existing gingerbread stock, and adds even more apps to accentuate the point. Try to make both Sense 4 and Sense 3 (Sensation XL port) examples.

2. Describe or create a method that resizes the user and system partitions. Libparted is stable and well documented, and has been used to great effect on many other devices.

3. There are devices like the Thunderbolt and Desire S that are still on the list (I think), but we should research other manufacturer's devices for a counterexample.

4. This one is unlikely, but with the huge amount of devices around there's bound to be someone who has.
[Desire HD General] kore_sar:
That is brilliant idea, although difficult to implement. Who's gonna do it? We need knowledgeable volunteers.
[Desire HD General] shad0wboss:
What i think that HTC is planning to do since there are people getting replies from their carriers that the update will be released to "their" devices can mean that HTC might just hand over the update to specific carriers and they might release the update despite the fact that it'll erase all the user data.

I actually find HTC's complaint about wiping the internal data DUMB and that's because they can just have a notification before update that "it will fully wipe all your data so please make a recovery bla bla" and people who're concerned about their internal data can stay on GB while others can update so i don't see the point why HTC is making dumb excuses like these.

EDIT: it is good that we have petition going on but i would also suggest people who are really concerned about this to head over to the htc blog and spam about desire HD as much as they can and make sure you mention that you don't give a **** about internal storage being erased as long as you're getting ICS...
[Desire HD General] Nugstar:
Since we can assume the data partition remains untouched, how about we compare the system partitions from the Incredible S and the Desire HD?

The IncS currently has ICS rolling out.

According to this post the IncS has a system partition of Hex: 22dffe00, or 585104896 Bytes.

The Desire HD system partition is 585101312 Bytes, based on WWE 3.12.405.1 RUU.

The difference is 3.5KiB.

A 99% full system partition on the IncS is still 5.5MiB less than a full DHD system partition.

The IncS only has 1.1GiB of ROM compared to the DHD ROM size of 1.5GiB

The Desire S has a similar system partition size and is still scheduled to get ICS.

If someone could post the sizes of all *.img files from a IncS ICS RUU and the latest GB Desire S RUU that would be helpful.

A barebones port of the Incredible S ICS rom to DHD would be sufficient to prove the lie, as it has almost the same specs, but with LESS internal memory.

Update: Below shows us that the Incredible S and Inspire 4G have exactly the same sized system/data/cache/devlog partitions.

This Inspire 4G Partition map

/dev/block/mmcblk0p25 585,104,896 /system
/dev/block/mmcblk0p26 1,232,076,288 /data
/dev/block/mmcblk0p27 314,572,288 /cache
/dev/block/mmcblk0p28 21,757,440 /devlog

Converted partition sizes from the Bell Incredible S thread mentioned above:

mmcblk0p17: "misc"	262,144
mmcblk0p21: "recovery"	8,909,824
mmcblk0p22: "boot"	4,194,304
mmcblk0p25: "system"	585,104,896
mmcblk0p27: "cache"	314,572,288
mmcblk0p26: "userdata"	1,232,076,288
mmcblk0p28: "devlog"	21,757,440
mmcblk0p29: "pdata"	262,144

Please note that two sources used are unverified, a quick "adb shell cat /proc/emmc" will provide the correct information.

At present, I do not have a Desire HD as it is in for repairs (fried eMMC), so if someone could PM me the data, that would be much appreciated.
[Desire HD General] antonizoon:
I think the first condition, a light stock-style Sense ROM is more important than partitioning, which really is an untested method.

This would not be that hard, as the poster says above, mod an Incredible S ROM, reach feature parity with stock Gingerbread, and it would be sufficient.

Extra points if you get it to update from stock gingerbread Sense without needing a factory reset. That's been done before.

I would cook a ROM myself, but I don't have on handy, only my grandfather has an Inspire 4G.
[Desire HD General] autosurgeon:
Signed and commented. From my HTC Inspire running android 4.1.1 that cannot handle ICS.....
[Desire HD General] shad0wboss:
HTC is definitely playing at the moment because in their very first annoucement, they said that DHD was having hardware issues whereas the latest statement suggests that there are software issues, namely erasing the internal storage.
[Desire HD General] warfexion:
Slight Chance of Hope?

I got this message back when I asked why we didn't get ICS for Desire HD and at least we need the 3.0 kernel source code
[Desire HD General] judodave:
So there is still a small change that we Get The official ics?
[Desire HD General] Link_of_Hyrule:
Sounds like a canned response to me.
[Desire HD General] findlee:
Is that any good news from this petition? (12,811 signatures now)

actually, i never use the official rom, but the developers must be working hard making ics rom for dhd.. :(
[Desire HD General] d3sperad0:
That's exactly why we need them to release this update. We need the propriatary part of the code that HTC has for things like the camera.
[Desire HD General] MadMax:
Got a call from HTC, and some very good things could be happening, the guy is trying to do what he can, plus seeing about getting me some time with higher up people to talk to them
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
Make sure they don't try to buy you. Be strong - just in case.

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] MadMax:
I will be
[Desire HD General] scaryshark:
Wow! Sounds like I just stumbled into a badly written star wars spoof! :D jk.

That's awesome Max! I'm pretty sure im not the only one who will be eating their words now. Who'd a thought HTC would actually give a sh!t about what we had to say but this is a massive step forward.

Now let's see, what else can I petition about.. :)
[Desire HD General] MadMax:
I know this is massive, if this all works out, it is going to be wicked. To be honest I was surprised to even get the call, let alone the guy there was understanding and has done a little dev work also. He is going to keep his eyes out for the source code to see if we can get it, plus he is going to talk to his friends and see about me getting the time with the higher up people, and if I get that, I am going to give them ideas to bring HTCDev to the next level, to have the site help the devs alot more. Here's hoping this petition is enough, and that I get another phone call soon here. I can not thank everyone enough because with out all the signatures, we would not be where we are now. Finally HTC will hear us
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
Time to re-double efforts. Do not feel at ease until they pull through or meet us halfway at least.

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
GUYS !!

DONT GIVE UP AND DISTURB THEM ANY TIME YOU CAN !!

SPAMMING IN THE BLOG AND FACEBOOK PAGES !!:highfive:

;)
[Desire HD General] yuksbg:
Signed
[Desire HD General] shad0wboss:
lol i was thinking about this whole situation and i think HTC has the rom and all that **** for DHD, they just want us to lose hope that we're getting ICS and then when they'll release full ics with sense for dhd, the users would be sooo happy that they'll think that htc would "always" release latest updates for their phone and their next phone would be htc as well.

Now i thought about all this because htc has been developing ics for DHD and they've been to the point of testing meaning they have ics in their hands so why not just release it? well that's what htc is doing i think because DHD has been one of the most selling handset (at least here) in 2010-2011...and i think they don't want to lose their "so many" customers.
[Desire HD General] MadMax:
We dont spam them massively because we are getting somewhere. We can still post but please no more spamming. Lets see if I get another phone call first, but still try to get this on sites like Engadget and other sites
[Desire HD General] judodave:
**** HTC we have jellybean allready. I think that the ics update will never come out. But we don't need it anymore

:p
[Desire HD General] trh1341:
Are you high? We NEED the kernel! Sure we have virtuous. But that is only partially working.. And will ALWAYS be partially working. It will never work perfect.

Edit:no disrespect to you, or virtuous intended
[Desire HD General] AMIR-TUTU:
your right !

but i think these spams make that phone call for ya !

im sure if we dont spamming they dont give a sh*t about us .:rolleyes:
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
Yes me and my friend will spam HTC as much as we can, show them this petition.
[Desire HD General] iridium21:
If the noise on the HTC UK Facebook pages etc. isn't kept up, HTC will think we've gone away and will do nothing :(

It's the 'spamming' that's got us this far!
[Desire HD General] Walderstorn:
What is the best way for me to spam htc?
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
Telling all your friends what htc has done and said.

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] shad0wboss:
Guys seriously, just don't talk about getting ICS in this thread anymore, lets just keep this clean for news updates mainly from OP or other people can share their parts as well but if you want HTC to know that you want ICS then head over here and write as much as you want, it will at least let HTC know that you also want ICS.
[Desire HD General] MadMax:
Yes please keep this petition related and we need to keep easy on the spams, got told something while on the phone with HTC yesterday about people who spam them so ease let's keep this petition related
[Desire HD General] playerjunglejosh:
HTC please give us the update. At the very least give the developers here on XDA a Rom so that they can get everything working.
[Desire HD General] ricc@rd:
Write this to htc support or in htc blog or on fb/twitter wall, not here!! ;)

(if you want that htc reads that...)
[Desire HD General] AnumEndzeit:
James

(North America Support

(Tech))	Close Pending	Thanks for getting back to us, [/]. I'll forward your petition on to the proper people to see that it’s reviewed. Unfortunately, we cannot make any promises that the rom would be released for the Desire HD on the HTCdev.com. I thank you for your understanding in this matter. In the meanwhile, I hope you have a great day.	2012/07/31 05:12:54

iv been going back and forth with them. (one more rude than others :/ ) geuss we'll have to wait and see. If anything, ill just keep pushing.
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
Keep pushing, getting there.....
[Desire HD General] zboy_127:
Perfect. I signed

Perfect. I signed
[Desire HD General] AnumEndzeit:
Dear [/],

It's not a problem at all, [/]. I understand the desire (no pun intended) to do development work on things to see what you can do with it. I've done what I can from my end of things by getting it into the right peoples hands. From here, I can only suggest keeping an eye on the HTCdev.com site for any updates as they become availble.

His reply (7th one now lol) HERES WISHING!!!
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
Starting to think HTC needs us to push them harder now and in the future. I don't think they know what they are really doing over there. I have been speaking with them on another front and hope to win the kernel source being available day 1 battle. I don't think they understand the gpl agreement. For some reason they think the kernel source is part of the apache license, which is clearly untrue. Android source falls under apache, not kernel source.

Keep pushing, we are making headway, and keep letting them know what we want!

Yes I also have DHD, and have signed and emailed them at least 10 times calling them out over the ICS promise and lies!
[Desire HD General] jimmys31:
hi

Removed (Please Delete) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Desire HD General] maddog486:
the only reason for htc not to release ics is cash , u buy a pc/laptop under £300 u still get support 4 years down the line why phone companys do do this ill never know . if they didnt think they could put ics on the DHD they should never have said they would at least they should have found out if they could before saying they were , not take 6 months to do so . as virtuous has proven it can be done yes there are still a fue bugs but they are being sorted out , quite quickly i might add they deserve to lose customers not for there lack of support but for there blatant lies in the whole situation
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
Stick with it guys, they look like they are rethinking the whole situation. Great job so far everyone!
[Desire HD General] FastJack2:
I dont think so, they got all the sources, drivers, hardware specs and so on, so they should not have that kind of problems...
[Desire HD General] tessut:
You guys should Know that other custumers want their Personal data id they get ics i think we won't get ics or we get it like the htc Desire as developer version
[Desire HD General] scaryshark:
This is omnivisions line regarding cam drivers

END USERS PLEASE READ:*OmniVision does not provide driver updates or other support for end user products manufactured by third parties, as these third parties may modify OmniVision's design. For support in these areas, please contact the third party manufacturer directly

Clearly htc have full access to the cam drivers, we have to make /modify them ourselves! The only problem they have is weather its worth the time & money. They don't think it is.
[Desire HD General] deklineZero:
What would this affect? Is it only the hd camera or would it improve overall performance aswell for newer mods?

Desire HD via Tapatalk 2
[Desire HD General] Indiwiz:
this is getting so far, i believe if we keep pushing they will release the update. after all the signatures, HTC would be beyond stupid not to give us the update. also, this is on engadget just in case anyone missed the post here about it.
[Desire HD General] I_L_I_J_A:
Everyone please comment here:

Sony backpedals on Android 4.1 upgrade statement, is now 'actively investigating' all Xperia updates

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/31/sony-backpedals-on-android-4-1-upgrade-statement-is-now-active/

tell everyone of petition and htc not listening to their costumers as Sony does

we need to keep the pressure on htc - please comment! :D

---------- Post added at 06:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:38 AM ----------

Vodafone update: http://blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/software-update-weekly-wrap-01082012/

one before was: http://blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/software-update-weekly-wrap-25072012/ (Awaiting submission of second round software by manufacturer to Vodafone for testing.)

before that was: http://blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/software-update-weekly-wrap-11072012/ (Currently in testing.)

and first one mention

where they had 1st ICS fersion for Desire HD

: http://blog.vodafone.com.au/blog/software-

update-weekly-wrap-04072012/ (Software received from manufacturer, testing scheduled to begin shortly.)
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
Don't be fooled anyone, this has nothing to do with poor performance, camera, ram, CPU, or device as a whole! NOTHING!

Greed on the part of the carriers and HTC, period!
[Desire HD General] kezza09:
hurts like hell

For me: will give HTC time until the release of the iPhone; if they have provided the update I'll stay their customer if not, bye bye

really pissed of... They should install HTC NO-SENSE on all their future phones -> HTC FAIL!
[Desire HD General] GuyInTheCorner:
Only problem with that is sense is the defining feature of all htc phones
[Desire HD General] Floep:
In my opinion, if you preinstall Sense-Clock,a sense like Camerapp, Ringtones and hole bunch of people wouldn`t even notice that 95% of sense is missing.
[Desire HD General] coloured_chalk:
I dont't understand, why they dont publish nighties of their firmware? Not for users, just for geeks\testers\developers\etc.
[Desire HD General] GuyInTheCorner:
Ikr? If the 'small' Cyanogenmod team can do it htc (a multi million pound company) is more than able to do it too!
[Desire HD General] adrianyujs:
Some country going to have LTE network, so everyone going changed new phone next year since it cannot support LTE network...
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
please check what i posted in this page

:)
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
Tease.

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
anything shorter than the ruu developer edition is to little too late .i mean hamdir check blackout team rom its perfect smooth 100% the only things that didnt work was the camera and that is not a performance issue ,anything related to performance if desire s ,incredibles can do so does the dhd
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
ofcourse its not a performance issue

its a partition/ota/drivers issue

and team blackout still have camera issues
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
camera is fixed with flashing virtuous team 3.06 kernel only issue now is camcorder and its an audio related bug
[Desire HD General] Fio.hr:
mysterious phone call :P

So, today I got a call from HTC support, after I contacted them via e-mail and complained about ICS.

Basically, he apologised but confirmed that DHD will not get ICS because of memory "issues".

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19166690/[Unknown]_[null]_14-22-48_01-08-2012cut.mp3

Afterwards, I answered some question about customer service from 1 to 5, I cut that bit out...
[Desire HD General] KriwilAbiz:
We'll see about that. Looks promising though.
[Desire HD General] MadMax:
OK everyone please stop posting links to ROMs, we all know that the software works, I will contact the person over at xda and are if there is any update. Please remember what the goal is of this petition, to get them to release it, the proper stuff
[Desire HD General] evronetwork:
You might wanna see that:

"

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/55595-cm9/

"

P.S. crackez is my nickname there (so apparently, Caterpillar says that in the official HTC forum they said they will leak drivers and kernel ..hmmm I highly doubt that but I can always hope :D)
[Desire HD General] vitalik.t:
Do you really beleive him?

Did he provide any proof?
[Desire HD General] Galaen:
This is what was given in the link.

http://www.androidiani.com/news/in-arrivo-il-roll-out-di-ics-per-htc-desire-hd-119065
[Desire HD General] Mustaavalkosta:
Based on that CM forum thread, I'd say no and no. :p But we'll see sooner or later...
[Desire HD General] AnumEndzeit:
Please note the stamp dates on the posts. The person was referring to more of the bottom of the post (that article dates to the 8th of July 2012)
[Desire HD General] mollycrap:
+1 HTC give us ICS!
[Desire HD General] Galaen:
Oops. Sorry, didn't catch that.
[Desire HD General] ugolok:
14000 Signatures!!!:laugh:
[Desire HD General] evronetwork:
14.010 as of now and still HTC ignoring us.

What a brilliant company, the irony is that I've bought my first HTC device about 8 months ago(the DHD)

and the reason was that I thought HTC is a decent company that supports its costumers, thats what I

saw from people having HTC phones and that was the reason of buying an HTC device on the first place

..but I was wrong
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
you do realize they have over a million Desire HD owners? what difference would 14000 do in that scale

like i said something is cooking regarding the Desire HD update situation

so expect more news soon
[Desire HD General] atrako1973:
Let's see 14000 x 500 (average HTC high end device price)= 7000000 dollars,euros take your pick
[Desire HD General] Enterprise-D:
14 000 potential people who can also advise their friends/family..
[Desire HD General] Madaz2:
too many clueless people in these ICS threads

sorry to offend but its true
[Desire HD General] motherninja:
Hamdir, if they (HTC) do realized this situations, my thought is why it is so hard for them to just release the ICS kernel source code at HTCdev website, so advanced users can obtain it on their own? Just give a warning message that HTC will not provide any guarantee regarding users decisions to download the kernel and use it on their own devices. HTC doesn't need to provide any RUU or complete ROM update.

Also, please stop teasing with just a little "insider" information you obtain from HTC internals, it just won't help anybody. I think it just make everybody here feels impatient. Who knows if after all your teaser nothing is happening from HTC regarding this ICS update, because officially they just announced the cancellation for DHD update.
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
deleted
[Desire HD General] motherninja:
I already read your post before you deleted it. Sorry I didn't meant to offend you, I understand that you just want to inform every DHD users here that we still have some hope to get ICS update. But I don't plan to get rid of my DHD just because HTC cancelled the ICS update. It still works very well.
[Desire HD General] andrea210701:
Please htc,relase ics

Inviato dal mio LG-P500 con Tapatalk 2
[Desire HD General] polsonov:
As much as I love my DHD, I'll most likely be going with a Samsung S3 or Google Nexus as my next phone. HTC lost me with the no upgrades and not releasing kernels and drivers for those of us who want to use ICS. I don't care if they think it isn't stable enough. Its my goddamn phone and I'll run what I want on it.
[Desire HD General] Toastbroot:
Htc dach fb answer

facebook.com/htcdach/posts/480853081925573

Original German:

Google Translation:

The should give us the Kernel Source!!
[Desire HD General] oPtImUsPrImEmX1:
Man this has been talked about too many times in here. The same news that everyone posted like a week ago. I know you are trying to help as everyone else, but let's stop posting repeats.
[Desire HD General] Teichopsia:
This suggestion has been posted several times as well :p:D

Sent from a dream.
[Desire HD General] RoboWarriorSr:
We can all blame this on Qualcomm and their stingy ass for the proprietary kernals. All manufactures aren't allowed to release these unless they release a Rom.
[Desire HD General] c5satellite2:
Pretty sure they just have to release the kernel, and then they have to release the source. The rest of android falls under apache, not gpl. Just the kernel. We never get the android source.