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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blarok:
I'm just waiting for Stock JB, and if this doesnt fix my issues with the flickering screen in 3D Games, i'll install Cyanogen Mod 10 (if it is out then).

I bought my Prime in january and always hoped that the next update will fix my issues...

Now JB is my last try before unlock!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GS_Dan:
Same.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Danny-B-:
I've talked myself into waiting for JB update before i unlock ... but that got me thinking

Will the asus unlock tool run on JB ? if not, were screwed arnt we?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] justcookiesncream:
No official post, no official statement but just a passing remark on G+, wouldn't really give that a go as a fact :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lorthirk:
I believe them, you're free to keep your doubts of course :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I don't see what the hold up is really. I'm sure its been ready for release. As their own people ha e been testing JB for a long time now. It literally could be any day now. I have a feeling Prime and Infinity pad JB will release about the same time. Asus better hurry though(as long as build working properly). Samsung already promised the Note 10.1 is about to get JB very soon also. It'll be a shame if the note10.1 gets it before you all do. Regardless, I'm looking forward to reading and seeing how JB perofrms on prime and infinity pad. I hope it solves the various software based issues for you all. It will likely improve I/O also. Bit that can only go so far, stock wise. Custom roms will always be where its at for maximum performance. JB will hopefully make things better/more tolerable for stock users across the board.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] svladimir:
Personally I don't give a sh#t about all those excerpts from articles etc, unless I can install the upgrade and see that it actually fixes issues and the tablet becomes usable. Anything else is marketing bullsh#t.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flub:
@ Demandarin

You sang its praises from the roof tops yet from your sig you retired such a brilliant piece of tech & gone and got a Galaxy Note 10.1

That just made my day LMAO so much for brand loyalty
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kngyr:
Not all people have "brand loyalty", some just like new toys, he may have preached he support for Asus from release but that doesn't mean he should stay?

Heck with the primes run so far, I'd get a note when available. Unless Asus can prove me wrong?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
Brand loyalty was for people that had 3 brands to choose from.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I still like ASUS and I do miss my prime, honestly. Its just that the Infinity pad isn't ready yet, for me. I'm on the other side this time. The outside looking in reading forum and seeing various complaints and issues. Along with its praises also. So since infinity pad is just an upgraded prime really, I already know how it would be. So I chose to give the note 10.1 a test run. Which has been great so far.

As for brand loyalty, I like Prime and Asus so much I did get me Nexus 7. Which I love and it performs great. No browser issues. No I/O issues. Can play any game I throw at it without crashing. Never any crashes with my nexus 7 or Note 10.1. That was my main gripe with prime, gaming. As I don't own any console systems anymore, I used it for my gaming pleasures. So I'm still good with Asus as the Nexus 7 was built by them and shows they can put together a great product in a short amount of time.

P.s. a good tech person likes to try out all kinds of different devices. Even if its just to see how they perform and how different from others. I wouldn't be locked if Steve Jobs actually had a few Android tablets/phones himself when he was alive. To see what the fuss was about with them.

Asus is cool with me as I bought their Nexus 7. I think it was a great collaboration with Google. If ididnt like them, I likely wouldn't of bought nexus 7. If JB improves Infinity pad performance significantly, if its released in 30

days or less, I likely would exchange my note 10.1 for it. Just because I still have my dock and very ffamiliar with Asus firmware. Its a shame developement hasn't picked up more for it though. I think all major developers flocked to Nexus 7. Its price point really makes people think twice about a more expensive tablet purchase. If the MS surface does release for rumored $199 or less, ill be getting one of those also ;) lol

So don't get it twisted, just because I got a note 10.1 doesn't mean I really switched brand loyalty. I'm always checking out prime and infinity forum. I enjoyed the run my prime had. Androwookie and motely kernel is a great combo for Prime. Too bad I can't try out new JB rom for prime. I see alot of praises for it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ironlion45:
demandarin, I feel your pain. I just thought I'd report here, however, that now that there are one or two very stable JB roms (I've had extremely good results with BBB3, soon to be released, but a preview version can be downloaded over at Rootz) for the Prime.

I've been using it for a bit now, and with good firmware, the Prime can outdo even that young upstart the Nexus ;) (still, the Nexus is brilliant and I want one).

It's the thing about Asus, I guess. the hardware of it isn't bad at all! But they should just farm out their software development to people who are actually good at it. Then they'd make superb gadgets. Proof of concept: Nexus 7.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
I disagree with this because ASUS has some terrible problems with build quality. The only thing they do well is that they are cheap, which seems to be the result of working with very low profit margins. But as a result they cut many corners and release products without almost any QA testing.

TF201 was not an exception with it's bad WiFi receptions, cracking screens and aluminum frames and display issues. Nexus 7 is also extremely cheap and has a lot of QA issues (some users devices even have the screens 'pop' off the device).

I am really not buying any ASUS products in the future. While I don't like Samsung in their software development, Samsung is as close to Apple as you can get on PC/Android world in terms of manufacturing quality. My Galaxy Nexus 7 is a really well manufactured smartphone and my Series 7 Chronos laptop is just great all around. While both my TF201 and Nexus 7 have hardware issues and my girlfriends new ASUS laptop just got sent back due to faulty manufacturing in power supply.

I cannot even 'sell' TF201, because it's such a broken device. All I can hope is that 4.1 update fixes the software related problems. Though from software side, not all is the fault of ASUS, since I consider the whole Tegra III thing a failure.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fordwolden:
As mentioned everyone has their problems. Both me and my wife have the SGS III, both with cracked screens, and if you go over to their forums you will see we are not alone. It's an extremely fragile device. Also I have had screens corruption issues with it since almost new. All devices suck, just differently!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Considering how widespread tegra3 is used across majority of tablets, its far from being a failure.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Danny-B-:
Whats all the fuss about brand loyalty ??? Thats just plain stupid, anyone with half a brain would go for the best device around regardless of who makes it .. sticking with a brand because of their name is just plain stupid.

I have a prime because at the time i was supposed to be the best thing ever and *touch wood* for me i havnt had anything like the issues i see round about. however i rarely play games on it. I do however want to get the best from it and that includes a custom rom and dual booting Ubuntu...

Mine is still locked for now as i didnt want to chance the warrenty .. but i WILL be unlocking it.

Would i buy the prime again... probs not .. but im not sure i would buy any tablet if i was given another choice. that said, i'm happy with my "toy"
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flub:
I am not into Brand Loyalty

Search my previous posts I am one of the lucky ones no complaints from me about prime, I also have nexus 7 not because Asus made it, price & its a nexus tablet were deciding factors.

It was a tongue in cheek remark because Demandarin has been the most ardent Asus supporter on this forum, nothing personal meant just my sense of humour
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] texstar:
Heck yeh. Give me a Nexus 10 tablet with Android coded software from google developers.

---------- Post added at 08:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:13 AM ----------

I enjoyed the pokes at demandarin all done in jest.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
LOL... the S3 is one of the most durable devices ever built. I've had no such problems, and neither did CNET in this insane torture test.

http://cnettv.cnet.com/8301-33814_53-57468819-10391737.html
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fordwolden:
Yeah, kinda makes me wonder what devices they hand out to these testers. The Prime also got top scores.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blarok:
I think my Prime is pretty as durable as the S3... if i think how often i smaked it forceful onto a wall...

Just kidding, but happened in my mind many times when i tried to play a game and saw the screen flickering coming up again after the 5th reboot...

OMG i can't wait for 4.1 to fix that so i can play Horn how its meant to...

About the Brand Loyality thing which came up here: If there were another tablet with similar style (or cheaper instead) with Docking Keyboard for Laptop-Epic-Mode, i maybe would have bought this! But there was no other company which had this idea... ant the TF101 was on sale for nearly a year! o.O

Why the heck did Samsung fail so hard? And they are still failing...

The Tablet I dream of has a Digitizer Pen AND a Keyboard Dock! And i give a ?&$%!§?! on who is building this thing first... it will be mine (even if it is from Ikea)! (Well... Asus Padfone is pretty close to that!)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
Brand loyality is bull**** imho :) you should always get the best product that suits your needs the most at the time you decide to aquire a product. I know too many people that bought the I phone 4s out of loyality for example and realized they've been ripped off, paying premium price for an iphone4 with unusable siri (not possible to use it in Swiss german).

I had a cheap Nokia+ipod touch, then an HTC and now a Samsung phone and an Asus tablet. I've been happy with all devices and can say every brand has its goods and bads. There is no best brand. Think what u need or want, compare the products, go for it. The companies don't care about you as an individual at all, why should you?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blarok:
That is not true! Companies have to think very well about their customers because it is cheaper to keep their regular customers than to hire (hope u understand what i mean...) new customers.

As an example, take the GPS Dongle Asus created. They would not have done this if they would give a **** on their customers! Its not only for reputation if a company is doing that (They could have said: "Sry Guys, we cut GPS out of the feature list, so what, we already gave you more warranty!")

And who REALLY needs GPS on a tablet? Its only a "Nice to have" feature and if a brand would say: "We're selling two different models of our device: One WITH GPS for about 400$, and one WITHOUT GPS for about 380$"

I bet everyone would buy the cheaper thing!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kngyr:
I like most will get what your saying. But don't forget many others and myself being one got a prime advertised with "GPS". So paying a hefty $800+ you would expect it to function as advertised without any external equipment, right?

They tried to sort it out with firmware and what not but didn't happen, hence the dongles.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
I really appreciate that asus sent out the dongles, i got one and my GPS is perfect now.

Wether or not they did it because of they care about their individual customer is up for debate though ;) Its also possible that someone threatened with a law suit because he didnt get what he paid for.

ASUS is a cool company in my opinion with great ideas. But i bought their product because they have this awesome tablet/laptop mix that i can use for entertainment and uni/work. Its the perfect product for my situation, it provides everything i need. Not because it sais ASUS on the back. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stinky73:
Manufactured by?????? Not Asus I hope!!!! Maybe we should ask apple to handle the fabrication, quality control and RMA (doubt there would be many of them needing to be sent back!)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Jcossack88:
I cannot believe nothing has been said about any other Transformer Tablet getting 4.1......like nothing.....it's all calm in the water. How can the releases be this far apart? Perhaps it will take as long from the Nexus 7 to TF300? But that doesn't seem likely, as all the TFs are pretty similar...no?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
its inexplicable
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] abazz:
< troll>

How hard can it be to understand!!!

Given the level of whinging and whining and *****ing and whining and whinging and did i mention whining... it cant be to difficult to understand that Asus want to make sure its bullet proof so that they don't incur the wrath of those that like to whinge and whine and *****

</troll>
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
or, ASUS feels 0 pressure from this forum or any other because its not in the business of following the advice of geeks. And, the few employees they have devoted to this are lazy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] texstar:
I like to go to their google plus page and bug them about it in the comments.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ASUS/posts
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] knowaczark:
What?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sahilcc7:
Good idea. Same with their FB page. Everyone should just comment 'So +ASUS, when are you guys going to bring Jellybean to our primes?'

I've commented a few times.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] polo2503:
Still no ETA about a JB update ?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
There won't be a 4.1 release on TF201. The device had terrible sales and has a huge RMA queue. Developers have already confirmed that the device has problems at he very core. 4.1 won't fix that, in fact it will make things even worse since the hardware acceleration - number one thing that is a problem on apps running on TF201 - is all over 4.1.

I hope that they will release an update one day, but I have sort of lost hope.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pandaball:
I would like to see your sources for everything you've said (especially the terrible sales and problems at the very core bits), since yes, I/O is a problem but that will not affect hardware acceleration in any way at all since hardware acceleration is not adversely affected by I/O - acceleration by itself will not lag anything (acceleration, not deleration), but rather what Asus has to do is improve the I/O as much as it can software-wise
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lorthirk:
1. ASUS already confirmed 4.1

2. Roms with 4.1 are really smooth with an extremely increased performance. Personal experience.

So stop trolling please.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Pecata:
+1 to this! :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] brantje:
Go back to your stone please...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
That's correct. Development for 4.1 on the TF201 has been canceled. News is forthcoming.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joeyddr:
waaaahhhhhhhh i got a bad device no one could possibly be enjoying their device cause i got a faulty one ... waaaahhhhhhhh

/translation

go somewhere else
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] FunkyMcBain:
Comments like 'oh there's JUST a problem with the I/O' are funny... You do realize that I/O is EVERYTHING right?

Dollar for dollar this the worst product I've ever owned and I think Asus knows it's a turd, otherwise why would they have released 15 new tablets in the few months since this came out. They were learning how to build a tablet for the Nexus 7 and some of us ended up being guinea pigs for them. So damn right wwaaaaaahhhhhh, maybe $600 is change to you, maybe mommy or daddy gave it to you but most of us have to work for it and Asus is leaving us in a ditch as far as I can see.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
Worst thing Asus ever sold was hope. You spend a lot, you don't like it, you return it in the window you agreed on when you purchased it. There should never be a teardrop here.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] goraps:
This is true to you because it seems at the moment that the Prime's performance is I/O bound. Tell someone that is CPU Bound that I/O is everything and they might find that equally as amusing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] abazz:
So do we actually know what the problem is with the 201. Is it hardware, software or both. Is there a thread somewhere that discusses this?

Do the Developer roms run more stable, are the thoughts on these problems conclusions based on imperical evidence or hard facts?

It seems to me that if people are seeing instability issues in performance mode and the IO drivers from asus are slow, the problem may be with board layout and routing giving them signal integrity issues.

From the few high speed PCB's that Ive built, if i ended up with signal integrity issues due to poorly routed or matched traces the first thing to do is slow down the transfer speeds and reduce dirve strengths on data tranceivers.

I just bought mine so I dont want to crack it open or unlock it just yet
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fordwolden:
I'm no expert but I've tested different roms, kernels and schedulers to see what results I got. You also have this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1803252 about moving partitions to the external sdcard. And that gives you a performance boost (which would imply hardware issue), however I was able to get very close to those results using a _motley kernel with Eos JB rom, but the results where very inconsistant which to me implies driver/software issue. So I recon the updated kernel will do a world of good, and with some _motley magic it will make this tablet fly.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] DeKubus:
Source? Got none? Then don't post this kind of bulls*it, thank you.

I really, REALLY don't get why people who don't like their devices don't go ahead and just sell it. After all, it isn't like the ownership of this tablet is magically tied to the life of your first-born.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pandaball:
The I/O problems are due to the hardware, probably because the read/write speeds of the flash memory sucks. The bottleneck in the system is this part since everything else (CPU, RAM etc) performs far beyond what this chip can handle. The problem can be mitigated by reducing the number of reads and writes to the chip via methods such as using the simple I/O scheduler, or using more drastic methods like moving /data to an external sdcard. In any case, this issue cannot be fixed software-wise, only mitigated. And this is why I say it's "just" I/O that has problems because, really, it's *just* the I/O.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] abazz:
Has anyone opened it up and gotten some part numbers for these flash chips. A photo, perhaps, of the board?

Specs aside for these parts, the errata sheets that usually accompany them may reveal something noteworthy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Yuhfhrh:
Yeah a few months ago someone did I think, it was supposedly Kingston memory being equivalent to a class 6 sd card or something.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] abazz:
Just found this image here http://www.anandtech.com/show/5286/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-teardown

In this photo it appears to be a hynix H26M64002BNR NAND flash chip . I am having trouble finding any datasheets for this device, let alone errata...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chillaxx:
Why would Asus confirm that the prime is next in line (after the TF300) to get JB and now all of a sudden cancel it?

https://plus.google.com/+ASUS/posts/4F5M1Tz6B4m#+ASUS/posts/4F5M1Tz6B4m

Kelly Hamon on Google+

- What about the TF201? just saying

ASUS answer on Google+

+Kelly Hamon Jelly says it's his next stop :)

Edit: just stumbled on this comment on Asus google+(although unconfirmed)

Brian Malone14:36

Finally... Sources confirm Jelly Bean for TF201 will start rolling out on Sept 20.. Get ready folks...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
I like your optimisme, but all these statements are just "air" until we see this happening.

Plus, all the people rooted like me, and with changed SKU, who won't get the OTA, maybe will have trouble in installing

the new Android, because we do not know if the "normal upgrading process" many of us use it's applicable

also with 4.1

I hope you are right, but I do not believe that the 20th will be the day
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] krispy521:
Why would you not get the OTA update because you are rooted? You have to be unlocked not to get the OTA update.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
Because if you read carefully I wrote "Plus, all the people rooted like me, and with changed SKU"

That's why.

There are surely options to do that manually, like I did with .28, but we have to wait and see what the devs will come up with.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] powerarmour:
Can't see why it wouldn't come to the TF201 when it's already out for the TF300, it's not like there is a huge amount of difference between them!, they even have similar I/O issues! (crappy Wi-Fi I can live with on the TF201)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Gremlin001:
There are now a couple of requests for sources from "Brian Malone". Let's wait and see.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] DudeManCentral:
Hopefully soon..

I heard the same thing from someone else but I promised I wouldn't say who.. Guess we'll just have to wait and see..

My source says the update is great so far.. Makes the prime run like an S3, that was the word I got anyway..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GS_Dan:
I want that so bad.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Shadowlore:
For those looking for datasheets on the Hynix chipset used in the prime.. research the following part numbers on Google:

H26M52002CKR	16GB

H26M64002BNR	32GB

H26M78002ANR	64GB

They're all from the same development path, and the only difference is their sizes.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htcplussony:
The TF700 got another firmware update yesterday but it is still ics.

EDIT And TF301 got their second jb firmware today.

So who knows what Asus is really doing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fonduekid:
And here is a extensive list in one place of the updates / coming updates / hypothetical updates and what not...

http://blogs.computerworld.com/android/20995/android-41-upgrade-list
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ian1:
Thought I'd share this. Surprised they actually responded
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Cappurnikus:
I'm also surprised. Doesn't look good though... :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
For those with the stones to do it 4.1 arrived for 201 today http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1674827 (sorry about those who rma screwed)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ian1:
Ya seriously like how hard would it be to port from the tf300.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
4.1 is not coming to the tf201. News is forthcoming.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] almightywhacko:
Do you actually have proof of this or are you just being your usually Negative Nelly?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sparkym3:
That user is a big troll. Just block him and you won't have to see it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] whycali:
unless almightywhacko quotes him and then there it is :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] digitalman88:
If not mistaken, TF300 users facing some problems after upgrade to 4.1.

I rather wait until Asus is more confident with their release.