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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hic9582:
That's a negative. Still closing after it begins the backup to Drive
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rjcapp:
I use drop box. Try it!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dchn2:
I use dropbox or box.net. haven't had much luck with Google drive with TB. On ICS, sync to google drive will halt half way through the process and never recovered. Haven't tried TB sync on JB, as others have reported FCs already. The 50Gb offer may have ended, the 5Gb storage from box.net is still very handy when it comes to system backup with TB.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Deleted member 3109183:
Developer knows about the Google drive bug. Will fix in a day or two.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] tech7:
Is it okay to add more money and use it just to make people go like all wow I had like 3 people go I want that phone lol
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] klbjr:
Yes. The "WOW Factor" is definitely worth it.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SilverZero:
Use it now before people start referring to it as that thing the SGS3 can do. Or, eventually, that thing Apple invented for the iPhone.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] jlechner:
Or stole via patent.

Sent from my EVO LTE.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] riceatusc:
I use it for the wow factor all the time.

I load $20 a week for my snack budget at work, our vending machines have nfc on them
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] DB13:
Ive always wondered, How do you load more money on google wallet after i use up the free $10?
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SPreston2001:
Meh not really impressed with it. Sounds kinda cool but the fact that you have to load money onto it kinda defeats the convenience factor. To me its just as quick to pull out my card and swipe it.

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When you log into wallet tap on the Google prepaid card and it will bring up another screen and give you the option to add funds to the card...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] shook187:
Im going to agree, having to load it with money from a credit card make wallet totally pointless. Sorry im not going to put money into it, just to get a "wow" out of some under paid cashier.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] SPreston2001:
Exactly. Now if I could somehow link it to my bank acct or ccard then I could maybe see using it, but as it stands now its not worth it to me...
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] os2baba:
This stuff is all very new. At the moment, I'd rather add money to Wallet than link it to either my bank account or credit card. Actually, at the moment, unless I have a good reason to use it rather than using my credit card, I wouldn't even use it.

http://www.darkreading.com/vulnerab...n-gives-miller-time-to-hack-other-things.html
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] egooch:
Google wallet is a neat gimmick, maybe it will catch on, maybe it won't. It kind of feels like the 3d screen on the Evo 3d again. It's gimmicky, but it sure is cool.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] Genjinaro:
It's faster debit than the card, hold your phone over the scan pad & keep it moving.

It's a cool way to save for me, plus I hate pending transactions.

Nearly every store has it.

The mastercard paypass app will be key in letting you know if it's worth it. It'll show businesses that have the scanner.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] erikivy:
I agree in general with you, but around here, just about the only places that have NFC payment options are 7-11 and CVS. I don't frequent them often enough to bother with Google Wallet. If it were more readily available or in at least one store that I go to often, I'd load up the prepaid card and use it all the time. If it takes off, I'll be on the bandwagon in no time, but for me, right now, it's just cool technology.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] engelsione:
To me is worth it,,,but just to show off.
[Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE] shook187:
Its sad when Google wallet is all you have to show off. :crying:
[G2 and Desire Z General] Whoareyou:
http://www.telusmobility.com/pv_obj...ename/Device_OS_Upgrade_Schedule_July12th.pdf

They canceled it due to poor performance in testing...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Ascorbyl:
HTC is such a joke
[G2 and Desire Z General] tarroyo:
I don't believe that b.s HTC is not supporting any of there older lineup, There all about there 2012 and beyond lineup.

Such a shame, If it wasn't for us there wouldn't be a htc!
[G2 and Desire Z General] nagash91:
probably "fake" (true only for that carrier).

Desire HD will be updated to ICS:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28734289&postcount=3

hope :angel:
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
I doubt it, if that were true, then they would have pulled it from the HTC website http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/
[G2 and Desire Z General] nicholaslimck:
We'll just have to wait for further news directly from HTC, or till the update finally gets released. I seriously doubt HTC's that much of a joke that they couldn't make ICS + Sense 4.0A work on the Desire HD, when they could on the One V.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
Which is why I think it's more carrier specific than anything. Basically would mean that Telus customers won't get an official Telus OTA or similar update to their DZ, but may still be able to get an HTC provided (or another carrier based) ICS rom.

If it's true that is.
[G2 and Desire Z General] johrie:
Oke people need to read more and think more..... Telus is not upgrading the Desire HD.. where on earth did you ever read "HTC is canceling the DHD update"?

If we get word of HTC about not upgrading, wich probably will not happen since the Incredible S and the Desire S ( both less spectacular phones ) got the update, then we will need to post something about HTC not upgrading.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Atomix86:
Whoa whoa no they aren't. The Desire HD, Desire S and Incredible S all have the _exact_ same spec, aside from the screen sizes.

Sent via carrier pigeon
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nospin:
This isn't HTC, it's Telus. Does not mean unbranded DHDs won't get the update or other carrier branded devices. Just means that Telus chose not to release the update....move along people not a huge deal right now.

It also means that if testing devices were given to Telus, hardware drivers were written. A leak of that testing rom would be nice.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
Though I didn't see anything regarding testing in the PDF, so they might not have even bothered with it based on specs alone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nospin:
Telus canceled it, which meant HTC gave them a software update to test before rolling it out to consumers.

HTC hasn't canceled anything, they are pushing updates to carriers for testing, and it is up to those carriers to decide whether the update is good enough to release to customers or not. Telus decided that for their customers it wasn't. We know the DHD can handle Sense and ICS. So either HTC wrote incompetent software, or Telus decided it wasn't worth the money or time to test an update for a dated device (Much more likely). In both instances an official HTC made ICS rom exists.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
Which also means they could at the very least release DHD ICS drivers to the developer community...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Indiwiz:
any way to contact them to see if they'll release this? if that was even legit.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nospin:
Don't think they will straight up "release" a test build. It will have to be leaked internally.

Just hang tight, all it takes is one carrier to give the go ahead.....or for HTC themselves to cancel it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] m_i_rite:
In the astrix it says that HTC cancelled the upgrade for performance reasons, not Telus.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
So it seems:

But nothing has changed on their blog as of yet.

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My Guess is that For the desired apps and pre-bundled setup that Telus will use will not perform well with ICS, as such may be canceled for that specific carrier. We'll still likely see it released straight from HTC (just not carrier-specific/bundled) since their blog still says that it's confirmed to get ICS.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nospin:
Let me say, that if they can get ICS+Sense4.0 working on the Desire C (600mhz Snapdragon +512mb ram), there is zero reason they can't get it on a former flagship device in the Desire HD.

We don't know if HTC has canceled it across the board. If they have it will suck, but won't really matter in the long run. Camera fixes were the big deal here, it isn't the end of the world if they don't turn up.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Atomix86:
Well said. Remember though that not only is Sense 4.0 less bloated than 3.6, the Desire C only has a HVGA resolution so it would naturally need less power. That said I still believe the 2nd gen 1ghz CPU and 768mb RAM within the Desire HD should run it just fine at WVGA.
[G2 and Desire Z General] killj0y:
Just read this, kinda sucks if it's true. :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nospin:
Boom. http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-says-desire-hd-still-getting-ics-refutes-reports-update-cancellation
[G2 and Desire Z General] killj0y:
Hope it's true and not a mistaken rep about to lose his/her job lol.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
I wonder if it's possible that they intend to cancel it at a carrier level, so that the only available version of it would be a rom straight from HTC for the DHD or something.

ie: that way they're still providing it, but not as easy as say a carrier OTA, thus prompting less-technical users to still upgrade their phones if they want ICS.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nospin:
Android Central now reporting that HTC is "investigating the ability of the DHD to run ICS". Which of course means "We are investigating if it is worth the $$$".

Seriously, I would have a lot more respect for oems if they came out and said "hey, it's a money issue" instead of lying out their butts that the device "can't support it adequately".
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
Even though android central was already told by HTC :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1780343

Big difference from investigating it, and being pleased to confirm it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] nguyenluanbdu:
bad :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nospin:
Indeed. http://m.androidcentral.com/uncertainty-surrounds-desire-hd-ics-update-htc-issues-revised-statement
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
It almost sounds like reps and such internally aren't even talking to each other, and just giving their version of information to those inquiring.

And like you said, it can't be about performance issues, we've seen weaker devices use it fine has to be more about money.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nospin:
It's official, no ICS for the Desire HD. The "best" consumer experience is on 2.3 according to HTC.

Sucks, but not the end of the world guys.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
http://blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics/

yep struck right off the list... they should least release the 'testing' drivers they were using to the dev community, but I know that won't happen.
[G2 and Desire Z General] miscz:
So Desire S gets it but DHD doesn't? Now this is weirdest thing HTC has done. I gues we're on our own now :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
They can probably still make money off the Desire S for whatever reason. I guess the DHD competes too much with today's "big screen" phones that they don't want to give DHD users any more reasons to hang back and just bite the bullet with a new phone with ICS. That'd probably one of many reasons to my speculation.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Atomix86:
This is absolutely ridiculous, the Desire S and Incredible S are the same spec so how come they aren't "determined to be best on the current version"? Typical money related PR spiel. Just lost a great deal of respect for HTC today.

Sent via carrier pigeon
[G2 and Desire Z General] KyraOfFire:
Damn... we were waiting for soooo looong for the ICS camera driver (and etc.) from the official DHD ICS ROM.

Even if a G3 comes, I won't buy HTC again. The whole reason I bought the G2 was the hope that it would get timely upgrade from HTC. It's really B.S. When I looked that how HTC raised back in 2008-2010 I thought they would keep up with the spirit and do well.....

Companies always put profit first, but customers buy from the guy that treats them better.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Deathmehr:
They let me down

Preposterous indeed. After update issues of our DZ and now DHD I have completely lost respect to HTC. I thought too, that such a company would provide support for its devices for a long time. They should have at least the decency to give out the "engine", nobody cares any more about their Sense 4.0.

I'm sure my next phone will be "branded" by Google (Nexus).
[G2 and Desire Z General] GrievousMcG:
I'm going use the information from their blog to send an e-mail to HTC asking them again to release the driver for the camera code. They might as well give it to us now since they are not going ahead with the Desire HD.
[G2 and Desire Z General] wileykat:
Don't ask, don't get. Type up an email,... then post it up for all to bombard (sp?) the mo-fos!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] GreenGuava:
We may not have to rely on HTC. Looks like Team Virtuous have made some major progress in improving the stability of the camera and video on the DHD and other related HTC handsets with their Sense-based Virtuous Infinity ROM. (See recent tweets by https://twitter.com/chrisch1974).

I'm hoping the camera functionality can be ported out to AOSP ROMS (I'm not really a Sense fan), but going by past experience, it'll probably be doubtful given that Infinity is a Sense ROM.
[G2 and Desire Z General] GrievousMcG:
Ok, not too sure if this will achieve much but here is my e-mail to them:

Feel free to copy and paste and send e-mail to http://www.htc.com/www/contact/

PS Mods - not too sure if I'm breaking any forum rules by offering to talk up HTC products in this forum?? If I'm out of line, let me know.
[G2 and Desire Z General] agazza:
I think it can be a economical move.

IF there´s a G3 on the way, they will probobly sell more if they stop supporting the G2 and other older devices, there is no money in not selling new phones.

i would pay for a official jellybean instead of buing a new phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] terrormattie:
Wooow, there costumer relationship model is ****ed up...
[G2 and Desire Z General] tarroyo:
This is what HTC had to say when I emailed them regarding the Desire HD ICS being cancelled.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
Yea that's the canned message I get from them 90% of the time any time driver, kernel, update, source is mentioned.
[G2 and Desire Z General] lms24:
Guys, please sign this petition here, if you haven't done so yet: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/give-us-ics/

Maybe this will help to get the Update...
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
The petition isn't properly formatted, it should not be "Give us ICS" it should be more source/driver/development related. Asking for a ICS release is likely never going to happen even with 20k 'signatures'.

If they have already had a testing base for checking performance on say the DesireHD, then it would be easy for them to provide least the development necessities for our community developers to work with. But asking for an ICS Release is basically pointless and counter productive.

The difference is, HTC most likely already has drivers, sources, kernels, etc from their own admitted performance testing. An ICS rom/update that's polished on the other hand will cost them more man hours.
[G2 and Desire Z General] oVeRdOsE.:
Same here, I write about how sad it is to not give update for the desire series, because it was the best series of all...

Well they answer me something about the software version, witch is not the subject at all.

Automatic answering machine! what's wrong with this company?
[G2 and Desire Z General] santajin:
What can we do besides waiting…
[G2 and Desire Z General] lms24:
email them, post on their facebook page, let them know that there are many people who want this update.
[G2 and Desire Z General] GrievousMcG:
Ok....now this is getting really weird....

A HTC rep has replied to my e-mail even though I have include the link to the HTC blog where the HTC Desire DHD was crossed out and this is what he has to say:

Communications is all over the place at HTC.....:confused:

I've asked the rep to clarify whether or not the information posted on the HTC blog is correct or not.
[G2 and Desire Z General] wileykat:
I also got this today ,.....
[G2 and Desire Z General] Deathmehr:
Well, those two replies give some hope. Slight but always. Is the Camera driver the only thing we need from HTC? Would the problem with rarely corrupted text be solved with the code from DHD ICS scraps?
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
Camera drivers, ODX, couple other little things. Not sure bout the corrupted text thing, I think even on some official devices that was a momentary issue.
[G2 and Desire Z General] GrievousMcG:
Not too sure if this reply from HTC (Raymond) will bolster your hope (this came from a reply to my e-mail to him regarding the Desire DHD/ICS information on the HTC blog site:

It's late here in Aussie land so I can't put coherent thoughts into this but the bit that is in bold confused the hell out of me. Does this make any sense to anyone else??
[G2 and Desire Z General] virtualflyer:
I won't buy another htc now. I had doubts and this made me decide. Maybe, just maybe, if they make a g3... but only maybe
[G2 and Desire Z General] Dukenukemx:
So it's getting ICS now? Not that it has anything to do with the community being pissed off. :rolleyes:

Don't buy products from HTC anymore? Money speaks in volume to companies.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Deathmehr:
I could not agree more. However, come to think about it, that's a long range threat (at least for me, I won't be getting a new phone for at least a year) and what's worse most buyers don't care about updates unless their current OS runs well. So as a minority when it comes to newest Androids, we're not as influential. At least when it comes to quite old phone in terms of marketing.

What I'm saying is, we should spread the bad opinion about HTC when friends would ask about our phones.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Dukenukemx:
That's generally how companies perceive it. I mean you were happy when you got the phone, but now it's time to upgrade again. Not just hardware reasons, but software as well. Thing is people know guys like us when they're looking for a phone, or need help with a phone. We give our opinion and people will accept it, cause they have no mind of their own.

I've already heard that HTC is a bit weak in sales, and I'm not surprised. You'd be surprised how likely this conversation will popup on a Google search for someone who wants to know about HTC products. It's already commonly known that HTC is not a phone to expect updates often.
[G2 and Desire Z General] =JKT=:
Not saying I know so much about business and marketing, but common sense says that no matter how happy I am with my hardware, if I feel burned about no software updates I will be that much less likely to buy HTC again.

Their stock is struggling right now after a huge boom in 1st quarter with the One series releases. Did they think they would force us all to One series phones by shafting us on updates? I'm more likely to get an S3 or Nexus 7, honestly.

And I'll tell you it's for 3 reasons: software update fail, unlocked bootloader fail, and sealed phones. I like to be able to change my battery when it dies after 18 months like every Li based battery chemistry. To me, sealed back phones is just more forced obsolescence, the kind that pisses me off.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Deathmehr:
One of Nexus line, definitely. Getting newest, pure Androids as soon as it becomes released is in my opinion (after 2 Android phones) the most important aspect. Even more than hardware. After all, how much cores and GHzs do you need in a phone?

I understand your fears, and I share them with you, however, integrated batteries can have the same capacity but occupy smaller area than removables. You lose the ability to replace the battery, but gain lightness and compactness.

It all doesn't change the fact that CPUs and screens are improved or enlarged every month, but batteries and software stay the same. But I think this went off topic, sorry :P
[G2 and Desire Z General] =JKT=:
By hardware I mostly meant case, since concurrent galaxy/nexus phones always have better specs anyway.

Good point, but I actually prefer my phones heavier, for some reason.

HTC better do (not just say) something awesome soon if they want people like me to stay loyal.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Oni-Musha:
htc is great for materials, but for software update is bad.

too many models with similar hardware and they update only the last model...
[G2 and Desire Z General] BootloopedMillennials:
Heres HTC's official explanation via Androidcentral
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nospin:
Release the update via your website, only advanced users would touch it, and the development community remains happy. Basically what Samsung does with Kies.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
Christ that's all? Release the damn thing HTC. The community already brought it this far just needs the tiny inaccessible pieces HTC can provide easily without a whole rom.

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] OoTLink:
Maybe there never was a 4.0 rom for the phone. Maybe they were just dragging their feet in the sand and trying to come up with a good excuse these past 7 months.

The longer the wait, the closer to contract coming up! GREAT! Time to go get one of those new HTC One S phones right? :D Right! ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Deathmehr:
http://www.gsmarena.com/heres_why_the_htc_desire_hd_wont_get_android_ics_-news-4574.php

Have you read it? On one hand, there's some possible truth about it, but on the other nothing prevents HTC from giving us the drivers...
[G2 and Desire Z General] geojoking:
Basically, what they're saying is that during the update process, user data could be lost.

Who cares about user data? They could've just said "BACKUP YOUR DATA BECAUSE THE UPDATE ERASES EVERYTHING". I would've preferred having to start from 0, like with a new phone, than being denied the opportunity.

So, in my view, it BS.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Deathmehr:
For us, more advanced users, doing backup, repartitioning, and restoring the data is easy. However, most would find it difficult, they are used to OTA updates. At least I guess it can be this way.

That still does not change the fact that I'm angry at HTC and still hoping for the best (drivers)
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
I Still think they should do it the way samsung does, and make it available on their site as an 'advanced' option.
[G2 and Desire Z General] johrie:
Just give us an RUU HTC! All those users that are not as advanced as most here wont even touch that. Problem solved :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Deathmehr:
Damn! Guys from the Google Nexus ROM Development forum section must have such an idyllic life when it comes to assembling custom ROMs ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] riahc3:
The HTC Desire guys fought for the update and they got it. Dont be *****es and fight too.......

(This also intrests us, Desire Z users, as that was the only way to get better support for our ROMs as well)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Dukenukemx:
Or they could just automate the backup and then restore the user data after the installation is done? Make everyone agree and understand that installing this update can risk all your user data.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kbeezie:
It was probably the only "scary" answer they could come up with for your average Joes.

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] 313dash:
Your so right! HTC is doing a great job in losing customers in my opinion. My next phone will be a Nexus anyways. Maybe they should stick with making win7 phones since its so hard to release an update for Android.