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[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MadeInFinland:
Since I can't post into specific threads yet so I have to do it here.

I love the slim insanity rom but I have one problem. It installs with apex launcher and I wanted to go pro but can't seem to do that. How do I proceed now that I bought the upgrade?

Best regards
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zodiaxe66:
Install another launcher (go launcher, nova launcher, etc).enable new launcher, then uninstall apex launcher from system/apps folder (e.g. root uninstaller) reboot and go to market and install apex pro, set apex as default launcher.uninstall second launcher.done

PS.do NOT uninstall apex before u have another launcher on your phone or will have to reflash the Rom
[Asus Transformer TF700] Gert Stalpaert:
OK, I bought an Android Tablet. Although the iPads probably are better for the average user, that's not the case for me: I'm a developer, a tweaker. I want to root stuff, to play with widgets, customisations, and so on. That's why I feel more related to Google than to Apple.

So I went for an Android tablet. I did not want a cheap, slow, outdated one like the ones you can buy at the supermarket for no money.

I was going for quality, so I bought an Asus Infinity. The tablet with the fastest hardware you can get. Splendid HD screen. Nice hardware keyboard included. This should be a top buy!

I have the tablet for some days now, and yes, the hardware is quite good. Decent aluminium unibody, although the color is not my style and the shiny metal catches all finger prints. The 1920 x 1200 display is really outstanding. No complaints here.

But where it goes wrong is the software ...

Android ICS, with minor tweaks by Asus, looks ok. But the OS and apps don't run smooth at all...

Apps run slugish or even freeze for seconds. Even keyboard input hangs sometimes. The stock browser and the Google Chrome browser can render basic sites quite well, but more advanced stuff like animations and video is just bad.

I compared with an iPad 1 and the iPad almost always wins involving smoothness of scrolling and interacting with inline video. An iPad 1, more than 2 years old, is faster than the Android tablet with the fastest hardware available on tablets. That's just ... sad. Very disapointing.

Another problem is the fact that no sites are well tested on Android, resulting in quirks that probably are solved on iOS because every decent site developer does test on his iPhone and iPad. But not on the huge number of Android devices out there. And being a developer myself, I know by experience that each device can have its own quirks.

A good example is wrong platform detection, resulting in bad user experience at the best, lack of features, or even no content at all at worst. 'You need to install Flash to run this site' ... Ok, Android can run Flash, but its days are over, as we all know.

So, what's up next?

Shall I make use of the 'cooling down period' and return this tablet? Exchange it for an iPad3? Will Jelly Bean solve some issues? Will these problems be solved by a system update? Will future sites be rendered better when html standards are used more often and Android browsers improve?

That’s a lot of if’s, no?

Apps running slow:

-stock browser

-Chrome

-Dolphin browser: better than the above, but css3 transformations/animations still very bad compared to iOS

-Google plus: scrolling the items is really bad

-Pulse: swiping between pages of an open article is slow and stutters

-Google Earth: slow and even crashes

Apps running ok:

-gmail: smooth

-currents: rather ok, sometimes

-Plume: ok

-Google maps: smooth

I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?

Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?

Your thoughts please!
[Asus Transformer TF700] chevdor:
My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.

I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.

If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.

the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Gert Stalpaert:
Don't get me wrong, I am very aware of the benefits of Android. That's why I bought an Infinity ;-)

But I have a strong feeling that surfing the web is just a better experience on an iPad ... and surfing is a primary task for me and most of us.

Dolphin HD works the best, but still regular freezes of seconds. I guess this should be better with the outstanding hardware of the infinity, no?

Tnx for your response.
[Asus Transformer TF700] cipherbreak:
I know this is not the ideal answer regarding a device you just paid top dollar for but: it may have some software issues but it also has highly capable hardware. Thankfully, there will be many great developers paying attention to this device. Either via official updates or through the combined efforts of the community (or both), I expect most of the issues will be worked out. At the very least, the updates Jelly Bean brings address the lagging and stuttering on Android, and this device will most likely get it soon enough. You can rest assured knowing this is one of the best Android 10-inchers out there and with the proper support it can only get better.
[Asus Transformer TF700] acdcking12345:
I have only had android tablets up to this point.

I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.

I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?

So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.

But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.

I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.

One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.
[Asus Transformer TF700] cipherbreak:
I had been considering getting a new iPad rather than waiting for Android to get the tablet basics right; however, the main reason why I haven't is my dislike for Apple's motto of litigation over innovation. So I will give Android tabs another chance and get the Infinity. There will definitely be another *new* iPad and this will certainly not be my last tablet. Hopefully Jelly Bean will improve the whole experience. If it gets it and I love it, then great. Otherwise, I am sure I will be able to sell it for a decent price.
[Asus Transformer TF700] acdcking12345:
I see what you mean. I figure when you can get a tab with Jelly Bean, I hope that android tabs will work better. I hope so. Android is open source and great things go on with newly developed ROMS.

I just can't handle all of the crap wrong and all of the constant issues having to be fixed. For awhile, Ill use the Ipad 3 and wait until android really kick ass. Unless the new MS Tablet is even better.
[Asus Transformer TF700] DarsVaeda:
Android will never compete with UI experience in comparision to Apple unless they change the underlying system.

Apple gives all power to the UI first which results in a smooth experience. But that will also cost power for background tasks. So while you can smoothly scroll your pages in a PDF suddenly it takes ages to load a page, I have seen it.

Android is balanced. So you might see stuttering while scrolling through PDF's but pages will load a lot faster.

That as an example.

It is up to you what system you prefer.

There is a detailed blog post by some google dev somewhere, couldn't find it, sorry.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ian1:
Jelly bean will definetly smooth out anything having to do with touch response such as scrolling and pinch zooming. That is if it does what its supposed too.
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
This is only our wishful thinking, not a fact yet.

I don't see iPad outperforming Infinity in real life performance however, apart from lags when copying large amounts of data (I can't seem to notice iPad 2 being better for browsing, tried it with iPad 2 today - and remember that on the Infinity it is 1920x1200; iPad 3 with a somewhat better resolution has been reported to become burning hot btw).
[Asus Transformer TF700] Underwater Mike:
What bothers me is not the issues with Android, but the shortcuts and crappy manufacturing that seems to plague the category. Asus, for example, comes out with innovative stuff but seems to chronically release devices before they're ready. Samsung came out with a solid, if uninspiring, 10 inch tablet last year, but the new one has been getting reviews that say it's inferior to the previous model. The Nexus 7 is finally rolling out, but with reports of sloppy build -- Asus strikes again? The Acer has decent specs on paper but doesn't make the target in terms of real-life operation.

I hate Apple with a fire deep in my belly. But, most of the time (iPhone 4 antenna excepted), when they release a mobile product, it's ready to roll -- functionally and aesthetically. Much higher initially quality than the Android products I've had or shopped.

Seriously, how fooking hard can it be to put together a decent feature set and build it properly?
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
I see your point. There have been numerous bugs in every single iPhone version however. My friend who was apple-lover has returned 80% of their devices in the recent years - from iPad 2, through MacBook Air to LCD.
[Asus Transformer TF700] MrPhilo:
It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.

Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
You say this, yet the Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 isn't as good as the one in the Infinity. The GPU is plenty capable, as it's buttery smooth in Jelly Bean. There is no GPU limitation, it's software at the moment.
[Asus Transformer TF700] 0l-ROB-l0:
I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.

Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.

The I/O issue isn't hardware related from what I can tell. It really just seems like something that just needs to be resolved in the kernel.
[Asus Transformer TF700] cipherbreak:
ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...) I wonder if ASUS just took a bunch of hardware components, fit them together like a puzzle, and then sat on it for months without testing waiting for release. This device is coming half a year after it was announced. These issues could have been corrected.
[Asus Transformer TF700] 0l-ROB-l0:
It wasn't exactly the same. :) ...same poor design and manufacture problems, so same opinions and comments apply, sorry, fact.

Bang on the point, thanks. And compounded also with the Prime GPS debacle.

I doubt Apple will let another Antenna-gate slip out, we'll see.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Gert Stalpaert:
Thanks for all the feedback.

I think we agree that Android is way more open than iOS, and that's the main reason why we love it, but people here also agree that Asus/Google should do a better job making their (top segment) products flawless. People giving that amount of money on a tablet deserve a well tested, flawless device. This is certainly not the case with our Asus Infinity.

One example: Consuming video is a key activity on tablets. However, almost *all* sites with embedded video load too slow, do stutter, don't run the video as it should. No matter what browser. Ok, after all the video will play, but run the same site on iPad and the experience is better. Even on iPad1.

Asus, Google: this is a key issue and should be fixed.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
[Asus Transformer TF700] HoushaSen:
We must be using different site. But in my experience, flash sites are not well seen on iPAD (there are ways to watch flash on iPad but not good). If non-flash, some site's long videos are split into very small segments. Occasionally HTML 5 based sites which runs indeed well on iPad but I personally don't think had a issue with Galaxy 10.1 there either. But having said that if I recall, most Android browser defaulted to Flash since you have flash capability. So I wonder if they should give an option to user whether to run under HTML5 even if the browser is capable of Flash.

But again, if your goal is to watch online video and your sites are well enough supported without Flash (which gonna eventually go away but many sites are not ready yet) and other usage of tablet are better on iPad. I honestly think you should go with iPad. Tablets are such rapidly evolving device, I think most of us buy new tablet within 1-2 years anyways. So buying something in anticipation of getting better is probably not the best way to go because it may never happen but also if happens by then there is probably newer and better tablet anyways.

Amazon has 1 months shipping delay on the Infinity right now, so I guess I'll simply wait myself with my iPad2.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Nebucatnetzer:
I don't see how it's speculative to say that Jelly Bean will improve the Infinity al lot.

I have it on my Galaxy Nexus and it's just freaking awesome. It's actually quite a shame that they waited so long.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
Which proves what exactly? Did your Nexus suffer from the I/O issues before?
[Asus Transformer TF700] 0l-ROB-l0:
Yep, +1 there, two totally different devices from different manufacturers, we just can't rely on JB solving device specific issues.
[Asus Transformer TF700] pixel-painter:
It seems everyone is quick to do a comparison between Android and ios, but one thing people seem to forget, is that Android is much newer than Apple OS. Considering how much younger Android is, i think it is doing better than Apple OS was at the same timeline of development. IOS had plenty of issues earlier on.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Nebucatnetzer:
No it doesn't.

But that's not what Jelly Bean fixes and improves.
[Asus Transformer TF700] emil10001:
I'd like to chime in on a couple of things. First, Flash is going away on android permanently. It won't be available in the market anymore within a very short period of time, it doesn't work with Chrome at all, and it won't work with 4.1 at all. So, this is a poor argument for Android over iOS at this point in time. I get that Android encouraged Flash support while iOS banned it, but the argument is moot now, since Adobe is pulling out.

In terms of Jelly Bean's 'improvements', yes, JB will improve some things, but the UI stuff that it's doing isn't magic. It won't change the entire system architecture to prefer UI over other threads (at least that's not what I recall from the I/O keynote). It will do some small things on the OS side to help the UI, but the larger improvement is in the SDK, giving developers the tools to actually see where they are blocking the UI thread with specific operations. This means that devs will be able to see where they've done something stupid that detracts from the user experience and fix it quickly, before they get lots of complaints and iterate for months. This is the promise of Jelly Bean to me, not that the OS is necessarily that much better in terms of UI, though Google does seem to have done what they can to help things along, but that devs will be given the tools that they need to make better apps.

As far as the I/O issue, if I had to guess, it really sounds like this is a driver/management issue. I don't think that Jelly Bean will fix it, I think that the fix needs to come from Asus or nvidia.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Nebucatnetzer:
Trust me Jelly Bean is a lot smoother than ICS.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Jotokun:
Its not the smoothness that people here are concerned about, but IO performance. Jellybean might help, but project butter focused on improved touch response and framerate, not IO so chances are it wont completely fix things.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
+1

I've done some tweaks after rooting, but most of them concern handling memory better, or video acceleration, or UI responsiveness, not I/O, which is still bad and just hangs the device, sometimes for a minute! So far the two things that gave me a slight I/O performance boost were switching to sio scheduler and data wipe + reflashing new firmware (and I'm quite unsure which of the latter two meant more), but it's far from perfect.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Nebucatnetzer:
Sure but the OP isn't talking about the I/O problem. And I never said that Jelly Bean is doing something about it. I'm just saying that it will improve the user experience in general.

The I/O thing needs to be fixed by Asus if it's possible. We know that it exists so it doesn't help a bit if we constantly keep whining about it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
Good point. Let's move with whining to our e-mails to ASUS!
[Asus Transformer TF700] HoushaSen:
Not a bad idea. Someone should make a petition.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Nebucatnetzer:
Or just simply write a email to the Asus support with all the facts included and ask them if they are aware of the problem.
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
Not a bad idea either.
[Asus Transformer TF700] rushless:
The gpu in the 700 has to push data to140% more pixels. The iPad 3 is smoother due to a gpu designed to handle it. The cpu in the Tegra 3 is more powerful, but the bottleneck is the gpu. At least the Asus 700 has ddr3 and clocked faster. Acer thought it would be smart to put the same chipset as the 510 in their 700. Not working out too well.

People refer to the 700 playing back video smooth at 1080p, but that is just video. Huge difference having to also manage and calculate data for all those pixels.
[Asus Transformer TF700] d14b0ll0s:
Yeah, especially while copying files with screen off ;-)

[mine got so laggy at the moment that it won't even go on when copying 3 x 10 GB files from pendrive to internal storage]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P2jJdrz9bY ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] MrPhilo:
The Nexus 7 stills stutters at some places, it is smooth mostly, look at the browser, it lags sometimes (chrome).

The Tegra GPU is weak, its over-hyped, your gonna lag on some heavy games, even the optimized tegra games will lag like crap, look at youtube on ShadowGun for it, dam its slow (on Infinity). The Tegra 3 wasn't won't be able to run at 60fps smoothly.
[Asus Transformer TF700] xRevilatioNx:
Is that issue soley on the infinity? Does the 300T have the same issues?,,,,
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
I'm not sure, but what he's saying is that its a Tegra 3 issue. So anything running a Tegra 3 is going to have issues. I never seemed to hear anything about the Tegra 3 being laggy from any reviewers.
[Asus Transformer TF700] xRevilatioNx:
Thanks for answering. One more question... How does the I/O and other issues affect the average tablet user? No intensive multitasking ect.. in laymen terms -- and yes, I'm a noob tto all this. I'm not a power user nor do I tweak or root my device. Thanks in advance..
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
Well just browsing, watching videos, etc? Probably not a lot. Moving a lot of files and downloading large files apparently are going to be the issue. I'm going to see how bad it is when I pick mine up. But in normal usage, most people aren't having an issue with it, it's just really bad when you do have an issue with it. The best way to tell is to get it and try for yourself.
[Asus Transformer TF700] xRevilatioNx:
Thanks for taking your time to answer. Already have it on order from Amazon, although I am seeing a 2-3 week wait. As far as moving files and downloading large ones, tthat won't be me. So good to know. I'm just a gamer. Internet browsing, and app junkie kinda guy....lol. I also love a good movie every now and then too.. :cool:
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
From what others have said...doing all that is perfectly fine. Just some apps will work better than others. Large HD files, for example...there was an app that plays back .mkv files and such really well.

Everyone remember that early adoption sucks...on every device. There's always issues because these manufacturers push these things out so quick. The I/O issue should be alleviated a little with an update.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Nebucatnetzer:
It's like he says. Normale usage isn't affected. Everything is nice and smooth beside the occasional lags from Android.
[Asus Transformer TF700] KilerG:
I'm expecting some JB or custom ROMs to alleviate a little bit of the issues people are having. Where are the devs anyways? I haven't heard anyone thinking about working on this tablet.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Gert Stalpaert:
Indeed. I just did and I hope other people will do the same. If all of us report the i/o problems causing stuttering, Asus will try to fix this.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Nebucatnetzer:
Probably because it isn't available everywhere yet.
[Asus Transformer TF700] MartyHulskemper:
+1. In normal usage patters (that is, gaming and watching a movie) there's nothing to worry about. Some apps do perform better than others (I'm having a better experience so far with Dice Player compared to Act1 and vPlayer -- the later was the preferred video app on my SGS2), so you may have to shop around a bit and look for the best app for the task at hand.

Early adopters are screwed royally most of the time, you're right, even with Apple's products. I guess that's we get for buying into the bragging rights of having the best Android device as far as specifications go. ;)

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+1 -- they only went open retail in the Netherlands, and probably the rest of Western Europe, yesterday. That means the early pre-orders will only be delivered today with some retailers and in most cases tomorrow at the earliest.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Tempie007:
the bad IO does affect browsing. a lot actually! it causes ANR messages...

the browser caches everything on disk.

the app browser2ram fixes these issues, which is a proof that there are problems with the internal memory (for the case you dont believe the terrible benchmark results)