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[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Mr. Ruz:
Hi guys, new here but I notice that most developers use Apex as their default launcher when they post AOSP ROMS. My question is why? What's the difference between Apex and other launchers like Go Launcher?

Thanks1
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Shaddy-Z.:
Apex is optimized specifically for ICS and integrates a lot of ICS's features. However I prefer Nova way more. I always immediately install Nova because I like the interface a lot more.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
+1 for Nova. I don't use it on my One X but I've got it on my Nexus 7 and I love it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] powerwagon:
Yea, I've never understood using Apex over Nova. Every phone I've had with every Rom I've run, Nova always runs smoother with less issues.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] WTFunk:
I haven't used Nova in months after finding Apex to be more feature rich. Might have to try Nova again to see if they caught up.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] kleeman7:
Atom is a new promising launcher, I was using apex pro before, but the change is nice.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] arnelolavides:
they are both good..if you want to have full utilization of Nova then you got to buy Nova Prime

Apex Free is as good as Nova Prime a little lag may be noticeable in the drawer

Anyways they are both Good..a little bit off topic..anyone tried the GS3 Launcher Port..??

very very smooth..buttery...but lack the customization/..
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] corythug:
Nova prime on my one x and SGSIII, I like apex as well though but to cheap to buy both pro.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] john_tillman:
I'd disagree based on my experience. Both has been problematic for me but, Nova has been more annoying than Apex.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] dylando808:
I've tried both Apex (pro) and Nova Prime and i prefer Apex a bit more. It seems noticeably smoother than Nova on my device, particularly on my widget heavy homescreens.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Mr. Ruz:
Thanks guys,

So it seems that it's just a matter of preference. So then, if you opt to use a different launcher, how would you get rid of the default one embedded in the ROM? Or would you?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Saenzscene:
I'm on clean rom de 4.1 and using nova launcher. It comes with apex but I find nova runs more smoothly,with no lag. So I used root explorer and went in to system/apps and deleted apex launcher(after I installed nova of course) . I have not had any issue doing that.

Sent from my HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
I have Nova and Apex on my phone. Wanted to try them both out. I find that with the same home screen setup on both devices, Nova is a bit slower. Going back to the homescreen in Apex is instantaneous. Sometimes Nova does a full redraw and it takes a second or two.

Other than that the launchers seem identical to me.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] pokemontrainer4life:
Chalk another one up for Apex.

It's always been smoother for me, no matter what rom I'm running. Even on ICS roms on my T-Mobile G2 before the One X.

Scrolling through homescreens or app drawer pages in Nova is too fast and/or choppy, even if you set the speeds to "stock" in settings (I like to "enjoy" the animation). I also like more of the features Apex offers, like customizing what shows up when you hit menu, disabling haptic feedback (long pressing icons/wallpaper) and the way it handles locking the desktop compared to Nova.

Btw, I'm using Apex Free on the phone, and Nova Prime on my Transformer Prime.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jspidey:
I've found just the opposite. I was using Apex when I first picked up my HOX but I felt it was sluggish at times and found Nova. Maybe the Apex devs pushed out some updates to improve things? I'll have to check it out again.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] s1l3nt:
Im using nova and its been great for me. Tried apex briefly a while back on a gummy rom but nova does the job. I do miss my adw ex sadly it hasn't been updated for almost a year now
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] gunnyman:
Adw and launcher pro were both awesome.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] pokemontrainer4life:
Ah, the good ol' Froyo days. Brings back memories. :)
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] freakboy13:
I have tried a bunch of launchers including apex and nova ( unpaid versions) apex def wins for more Asop look and integration of ics features and feel, but I have to say all in all...

go launcher ftw. Sooooo.... many themes and lock screens to choose from .

I think apex is compatible with some of the go themes. But again free and **** tons of themes....I love go launcher.

Tons of features customizations.

User friendly. Love the 3d worm lock screen.

Its all about preference.

Have to admit I have been eyeing apex and nova again. Maybe I'll switch .
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] jonholato:
Apex is the best!

New to Android and consequently have tried all of the following launchers to varying degrees in the past few weeks: ADW, Apex, Nova, Regina, Go Launcher, ssLauncher, and stock HTC Sense. I used ADW the first week or so and then it has been Apex since. Never crashes and super quick. Absolutely love it!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] this_is_nick6:
I'm using Nova and I have 0 complaints.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Genetic517:
ive tried all of them, love apex. im currently still running sense on cleanrom SE, if there was an easy way to run apex and have the sense launcher not run in the background and use resources, id do it.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] shea-bird:
unfortunately the only stable roms out right now are based off sense...or to my knowledge. I'm running Scott's clean rom de. love it so far. unsure if I want to keep Apex or try another launcher. Either way, as time goes on there will be more and more options available to flash. Love Scott's rom though, it is smooth and the battery life is exceptional!! :good:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] akaivan:
I am using one-page apex. I am loving it!
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mcmb03:
Nova is far superior to Apex imo
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] phishie:
For those who are still on stock (not on custom ROM), do you find using Apex/Nova vs Sense saves battery? When you switch over to Apex/Nova does Sense Launcher/UI/etc stop running?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] corrifa:
Well what about trebuchet? I ran it on my gs2 and now my Hox and I have 0 complaints. I prefer the very stock like experience
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] _MetalHead_:
Why not just freeze sense with TiB?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] cmshane:
I'm currently using Nova and I really enjoy it. I love the fact that I can overlap widgets.. plus it runs about as smoothly as I could ask for. Before that I tried Go, ADW, and Apex. Apex was the only other one I would consider using daily, but every once in a while I'd notice lag when scrolling through home screens.

Sent from my HTC One X
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Genetic517:
I've read specific sense stuff cannot be frozen or else the phone will start to act up. Would you happen to know what to freeze and what not to freeze?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] filthyfnj24:
I still use Adw ex lol. It's the only launcher that can make my icons as small as I want.

Sent from my Cobra
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] irishmyles003:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1767559

Confirmed working on Stock ICS rom. Pretty snappy, no f/c's. Go check it out if your a fan of TW. And thank the dev.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] elliwigy:
havent we had it for a while?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] irishmyles003:
It was just posted on the 12th? And I've only seen a post about the dialer but not the tw launcher. Thanks.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] iniz94:
Yes, we've had this for awhile... probably like 2 weeks. The difference between the one we have and this one linked is that this new one can work on any ROM. The other one only worked on our device because we have the same TW framework, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sai5o4:
Hasn't there been a port of the launcher since May? And it's said to work with all ICS roms also.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] elliwigy:
yes.. we've had the universal nature ux almost since it came out on the sgs3 when they released the phone.. i know because i flashed it a while back and its actually included in multiple roms now.. just like we got svoice a while back.. i like it slightly better but still dont care for twiz.. its about the aosp :-).. lg home launcher is ok.. if not i use the stock ics launcher or apex or nova
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] elliwigy:
also heres one link from 5/24. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=

not mine and i gave thanks to the op who posted this link. there are other links too thats just the first i saw just browsing this section real quick
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] Andrew_han:
Anyone else noticed android system eating up all their battery?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] droidstyle:
Thats a rogue app causing the high android sys.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] nitra:
+1, I've seen this on 2 handsets.

Using GSam Battery Monitor, then clicking on app usage ->android system -> manage -> clear defaults

The above seems to stop the issue after a reboot. I've not seen it happen again since I did that.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] xerxax:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but 9hrs and 47% left doesn't seem like a problem... if you take your phone and leave it on (with screen off) and wait until it dies then charge and turn on you will see that the "system" eats almost all your battery. There is nothing wrong with your phone unless you used it a ton and the system still eats all your battery which If that is the case and it's been 9 hours and had 47% battery then I would think you were doing MUCH better than most, imho.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] npompei:
I've got the same problem. Only yesterday, mine was over 65%! My phones horrible on battery life. Some things definitely up
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] Andrew_han:
When I click manage it won't allow me to clear defaults...

And this began at around the 50% mark and as soon as it starts my battery starts dying way quicker

Do these screen shots help?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] Andrew_han:
any ideas? seems like xda needs to be manualy killed or it ends up using alot of resources in the bacground
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] Lavinrac:
I have seen the same on my phone, but it has not happened consistently enough for me to narrow down the possible cause...
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] knifedroid:
Happened to me once so far. Charged my phone to full and went to work. I didn't use my phone for anything other than to check the time. I started noticing that the back of the phone was getting very hot, more so than when charging. I pulled my phone out and the battery was waaay down :

Hasn't happened since (fingers crossed).

Edit: I guess mine wasn't the Android system, but cell standby.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] IceCreaMan:
What is that icon left of your wifi indicator?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] knifedroid:
Some stupid verizon thing I can't get rid of.
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] OTAw:
It seems ok for me. The most eating up my battery seems to be cell standby
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] Ruby713:
Mines too...i even got almost 40% on cell standby...><……
[Galaxy S III Q&A, (US Carriers)] Andrew_han:
The fix for the cell standby drain is easy, see here: http://techsplurge.com/10665/solution-samsung-galaxy-s3-cell-standby-battery-drain-problem/ As for the android system drain it seems to have resolved itself. I still get alot of kernel wakelocks from bam_dmux_wakelock though
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] fanz92:
im currently flashing a stock rom with odin and i has been 30 mins what shall i do ?? in the message (amss.mdn download..)

i think the internal memory my be full is there a way i can format it ?
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] mohza:
Try different usb port

From My GWonder
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] fanz92:
i even tried anther computer but still the same big partition size then amss.mdn download
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] mohza:
Did u do all the steps here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1467128

From My GWonder
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] haryobimo96:
is galaxy w usb drivers installed?
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] fanz92:
i didnt factory reset
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] fanz92:
i downloded it from sammobile and installed it
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] haryobimo96:
did you check the reset time option?
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] fanz92:
i unmarked it
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] Ndysilon:
Hi,

maybe you'll have the same problem i've got with the odin-verison of this forum. (i although stuck at the first point)

Take a look at my post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28696718&postcount=16

I downloaded a different version of odin v4.43 and succeded with the flashing process.

Kind regards and good luck,

nydsilon
[Samsung Galaxy W I8150] stpdkid:
have you try different rom?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] derrickmd18:
What speed are you going on 4g? I about to sign up for sprint from boost and was thinking s2 or s3. I'm in Baltimore and I know lte isn't here yet so I'm waiting to see. My deposit is 50 bucks and a s2 is $50 and a s3 is $150
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Hero_Guy:
In LA- I get around 16-20 MBA

In San Bernadino, I only get about 11mbs
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] j_shelton1988:
St Louis on a s2(4G wimax). Personally, I'd get an s3 and wait for lte though.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Snazarian:
Wtf are u talking about?? I travel ALL over LA and the best iv seen us 8mb...the usual is like 3-5..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] piscesjoey:
My 4G speeds has decreased greatly here in Delaware, I used to be able to get speeds as high as in my sig (10-12mb down on my OG Evo), but since I had my 3D & now this phone its much lower, but right now I'm getting better speeds at home where I used to get horrible speeds as posted in this pic. One more thing, get the GS3 cuz Bmore will have LTE hopefully within the month or sooner.

Sent from my Epic 4G Touch
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] iniz94:
Are all of you guys on WiMax? Wtf haha... I get like 3.5 Mbps MAX in Chicago
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BluesRulez:
The 4-8 Mbps are 4g speeds. 8Mbps when close to tower. The latest test is from somewhere I never get 4g. Tests in columbus, ohio
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Blars1206:
Here are mine in St. Paul, MN
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] taufunc:
Here's my result from 4G testing in Boston:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] piscesjoey:
Lol yeah I'm on WiMax, & its a damn joke, shat my girl get way better speeds (6-8 down) on her Skyrocket using Straight Talk on AT&Terrible's network

Sent from my Epic 4G Touch
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Omar04:
What is 4G/Wimax? Sprint in PR doesn't have that. :banghead:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] yellowman82:
These are my 4g wimax speeds down here in Miami
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] someguyatx:
These are mostly from my house out in the burbs or nearby in evening. Also one test is 3g on there. 4g speeds will vary quite a bit. I get lower when I'm in Austin on weekdays. View attachment 1199176
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] gtuansdiamm:
No more wimax for me but I used to get a good 10-12mbps

But 3g is decent now it was unbearable a month ago

Both xda and imgur are being stupid so here's a link

http://imgur.com/wGL4c
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ky0nkyon:
3g is like 200kbps. 4g about 5mbps but kills my battery and makes my phone hot as hell. Sucks. Can't wait till Lte

My life for Aiur
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] crucian4:
No 4G service here in the USVI. Service has also been horrible lately. About 8-20Kbs during peak hours and 50-90Kbs during off peak hours. It unbearable and makes the smartphone experience suck compared to the continental US. The voice service also sounds like I am under water on over 50% of St. Croix.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Hero_Guy:
I get great speeds in west Hollywood and this is all trough the day. Same near Santa Monica and Venice beach.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] im0rtalz:
I would say go with the s3, the wait is not that much longer for LTE

Baltimore*

...Sites Complete = 12%; Anticipated Launch = August 2012; Anticipated Completion = December 2012

http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] chris-allen:
Same here in Atlanta....my 4g is like 3-4mbs.. not even close to 10 !
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] revamper:
For me in good areas I get up to 2 mbps down on 3g and up to 13 mbps down on 4g.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ky0nkyon:
Super speed Wimax

My life for Aiur
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Jeffreycat:
I'm getting about 7MBPS on WiMax in the Portland, OR area
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hayabusa1300cc:
My 3g speed

Awesome upload!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lilotimz:
AHahhaa. I guess those contractors forgot to make sure it that download is faster than upload. :-p
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] T33H00:
Like the title says, I really need the battery cover for returning cause mine was broken. Please let me know, I would pay $30 for the cover through paypal.

Or if you want, I have a brand new http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180926417080#ht_2234wt_1026 for trade.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] T33H00:
No one interested?
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] jasonyump:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...ubts=1342327274009&q=pebble+blue+s+3+oem+back
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] T33H00:
I did a searched. However, I need the ATT one that no one start selling it yet. Thank you for your suggestion.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] Randomacts:
Why does it have to be an AT&T one? All of em will fit.
[AT&T, Rogers, Bell, Telus Samsung Galaxy S III] T33H00:
Cause the original one has att logo on it. I need that cover so I can return my phone
[LG Optimus Black] sekhar13515:
Hi all,

I purchased Sandisk 16GB Microsdhc card, class 4

But in phone properties, it is showing as only 14.83 GB

Any solution to get full space of 16 GB?
[LG Optimus Black] Nikitozin:
Nothing has it full capacity, i have a 16GB Sandisk too, and it shows the same free space as yours, just get used to it ^^
[LG Optimus Black] sekhar13515:
Maybe there is solution friend, we have to trace out

And...why people dare to use different ROMs...i am very afraid to do things like that.., but interested those..

first of all if I have to install CM9...shall I need rooted phone ?
[LG Optimus Black] dcop7:
That is simple.

When you buy a SD Card or and hard drive or something like that, for an example, the 16GB it is in 16000000000 bits.

Since 1kb = 1024 bytes, doing the math...

16000000000 bits = 14.9011611938477 gigabits
[LG Optimus Black] Felsar:
yup, and is the same for every storage device, I also had a 16Gb but from Kingston and it shows actuall storage as 14.8Gb
[LG Optimus Black] jayts:
1000 vs. 1024

When you see the space on a disk reported by the operating system (Android, Linux, et. al.) it is usually in units based on a kilo = 1024, commonly used by engineers who work with computers and digital logic:

One kilobyte (KB) = 1024 bytes.

One megabyte (MB) = 1024 x 1024 = 1,048,576 bytes.

One gigabyte (GB) = 1024 x 1024 x1024 = 1,073,741,824 bytes.

To make their products seem bigger, manufacturers use definitions of kilo-, mega- and giga- in the way they are commonly used in other disciplines:

kilo = 1000

mega = 1000 x 1000 = 1,000,000

giga = 1000 x 1000 = 1,000,000,000

Read the fine print on the packaging that comes with your flash memory card. Get a microscope and read it.

What, you threw that out one minute after you got home and didn't read the fine print!?!? :D Well, it's also on their website:

sandisk.com/products/mobile1-memory-products/sandisk-mobile-ultra-microsdhc-and-microsdxc-uhs-i-cards-for-android

Find the footnote marked by **. As you can see, the company is 100% honest. :angel:

So, when SanDisk says 16 GB, they mean 16 billion bytes.

But 16 billion divided by 1073741824 is only 14.9012. You are really getting only 14.9 GB (in 1024 byte kilobytes), and that is that the operating system is reporting. Well, you lost some space on the device that is taken up by formatting with FAT32, so that is why you see 14.83 GB, which is what I also get for my SanDisk "16 GB" SD Class 10 card. Read the footnote again. They never promised you could use *all* of the 16 billion bytes! You are lucky you got any space left for your data at all. Maybe they should say "up to almost 16 GB". :laugh:

I certainly won't defend the policy of SanDisk and other manufacturers. It seems to me that if they want to maintain a good reputation, a better strategy would be to deliver enough space that even after formatting, the device would initially show *more* than they advertise, not less.
[HTC Rezound] superchilpil:
This is a minimal blue theme for charmander for those who did get ahold of it :)

I didn't theme everything and I'm still learning as I'm doing this so this theme is As-Is

Screen Shots:

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Steps:

1. Back up your current Rom

2. Flash in recovery

3. Profit?....

Download link: http://db.tt/2dOKaa4R

If you don't like this theme or don't like me don't hesitate to go somewhere else, I don't need your bullcrap in my thread.

That said I also won't tolerate bickering like little girls in my thread either

Have a nice day :)
[HTC Rezound] superchilpil:
Changelog

V1.1-

-Themed more status bar icons

-Fixed black lines in messaging app, bubbles still don't line up correctly

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V1.0-Initial release

Themed

-SystemUi.apk

-Messaging.apk

-Gmail.apk

-Beats statusbar icon

-Music.apk

-Calendar icon

-Dialer

-Settings.apk

-Framework-res.apk

-Removed GPS crosshair
[HTC Rezound] superchilpil:
Save
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] K7Cobb:
Ok so i have virtuous primadonna on my phone now and i wanted to know how to get htc hub, my media player, and youtube working. I dont know why but they wont work and i cant play no types of videos. And yea i do have Alpha 3. And can others that comment post other bugs i should be aware about. And i know tbalden is reading this.......GREAT JOB ill donate soon!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] rorytmeadows:
There are other Sense ICS ROMs here that might fit your needs a bit better. I don't believe they are contributing to Primadonna anymore.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] K7Cobb:
Tbalden released an alpha 3 recently
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] ac3theone:
This is in the wrong section, should be in general, but have you tried to re- flash? also you can try pulling the apk from other sense ics roms and see if it works
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Coug76:
Virtuous doesn't support their roms through XDA. They are exclusive to Rootz. You should ask the question there where they actually posted it. Opening this in Dev is bad form.

Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] AgentCherryColla:
:States Obvious: Sorry, Devs may we please have this moved.

Also Prim hasn't been updated since May 22nd
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] gtmaster303:
+1 primo hasn't been updated since may

I still think it's one of the most complete sense 4 releases

Thread has been reported to be moved
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] rorytmeadows:
I had problems with it and moved on. Seeing a post date of May and barely any chatter also turned me off. I'm running Sense 3.6 on ICS using MikXE and enjoying it. Just updated to 0.3 with some background improvements and trimmed up Sense. Mik Developers are the way to go around here for Sense ROMs and more!

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] butch87402:
Definitely right man I have version .03 and its gorgeous but question I'm new to this virtuous talk where are these other forums you guys are talking about....
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] AgentCherryColla:
[MT4GS][ROM][26-04-2012]Virtuous Inquisition v4.0.2 :: AOSP-Experience Senseless ICS (4.0.3)

[MT4GS][ROM][21-05-2012][Virtuous Primadonna v1.17.0 Alpha 3] Sense 4A - 4.0.3