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[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
It's just experience. Hard to forget ;)

If a device becomes official on LOS website, then you're good to go.

Any device that has a snapdragon and has one of the best price to perf. ratio will have lots of roms to choose.

Wasn't pointing you out, in fact what you do is awesome imo. I am excited to make my own builds but reliable internet is an issue on my desktop and my lappy needs upgrades to be able to do smth. But hey, at least i ported a rom which can be flashed while keeping bl locked.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
So Xiaomi POCOPHONE F1 would be the perfect candidate - Snap 845 for less than 300 USD. + it's on LinageOS www site
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
Sorta.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
So how about Lenovo Vibe K5?
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
It has one of the best price to performance ratio among phones with snapdragon 4xx series. Has premium design and dolby atmos speakers, and that's it. 4/10 would recommend. Gonna buy something like xiaomi RN5+ or poco f1 if i have to, which is not the case. Planning to use the k5 until it dies.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
I'm looking for such a phone too - that I will like so much that I will use it until it dies!

Is Lenovo Vibe K5 a good candidate? The looks of it is awesome
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
To guys who compile android on their own systems: what is the minimum spec for a pc to have a successful build? I don't care if it takes much time, as long as i have a usable product.

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The lenovo is now a relatively old phone (snap 415/616 is made is '15) and the battery is tiny at the expence of it being removable. I'd get the redmi note 5 plus or pro as a such device. Cheap while still powerfull.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
I love removable batteries.

How about LG V30?
[Off-topic] karandpr:
Anything with 64 bit Ubuntu and 4GB ram should work.

SSD is not mandatory but will make your life easier.

You need roughly 50GB HDD space .And you need good internet too (around 20-40GB). Don't try to build on a metered connection

https://www.xda-developers.com/you-asked-we-answer-aosp-build-times-on-amd-processors/
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
Thanks. That's the answer I was looking for.

Another question, currently I have a sata2 5400 rpm hdd on my lappy, which is hella slow, so should i go for an ssd or a sata3 hdd will be speedy enough?

The laptop in question is a Thinkpad R61 with a core2 duo T7700 cpu and 2 gb of ddr2 (will be upgraded tho). The hdd is being the bottleneck, i believe.

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I don't have much exp. with LGs, but i don't like how they limit things and some say they have quality issues. Long story short: no.

No way in hell I'll be using a pink iphone.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
I hope I made You smile with that Pink Iphone joke?
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
Pretty much. Thanks for it :)
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Wow, I'm so glad You've enjoyed it.

It's me who should be giving thanks to You.
[Off-topic] karandpr:
SSD ... Though I think , you will bottle-necked by the controller. According to google ,there is a mod BIOS which might allow you to use SATA 2 speeds.
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
I know, it's called Middleton's BIOS.

It is said that sata2 hard drives don't reach 3gbps bandwidth limit anyway, and an ssd will be running at 3 gbps. So i thought that an sata3 hdd might run at 3 gbps since they are certified to run at max 6 gbps bandwidth.

Thanks for the reply.
[Off-topic] karandpr:
HDD will still be slow due to moving parts. SSD is at worst 40% faster , at best 400% faster.
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
You need to get a newer system, there are plenty of reasonably priced laptops with newer/better hardware specs than your current system.

You would be better off to upgrade to a newer system than you would by spending the money on a SSD and DDR2 RAM to upgrade your current system.

You can get a better/newer system for about the same amount of money that you would be spending on the SSD and DDR2 RAM and you would have a better performing system that can compile ROMs faster than your current system. Your current system will require a ridiculous amount of time to sync/download source and compile ROMs.
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
Yes, but I'm in Turkey and a new system will cost me from ₺3k to ₺6k ($500 to $900) and a new 240 gb ssd + 4 gb ram will cost around ₺400, less if i sell my old ram sticks and hdd. Plus i doubt that new laptops are as durable as my thinkpad. Oh, and i mentioned that i have a really tight budget (I study engineering).
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Yes, it might save you money because it is cheaper, but that doesn't change the fact that you'll basically be throwing your money down the drain investing it in outdated junk. You have to consider that these older systems no longer have driver support and BIOS updates to keep up with today's software and hardware. Lack of driver support and BIOS updates means there will be things that your system will have issues with and things that it just can't do because it doesn't have the drivers or BIOS that is required.

It's your hard earned money, waste it if you want to. I would think that someone on a "tight budget" would rather spend their money wisely on items that are worth it instead of wasting it on items that are virtually no longer viable.

You are basically making the same choice as buying a phone from 2013 for $100 when you could buy a phone from 2017 or 2018 for $125-150. Why not spend the extra $25-50 for a decent device that will perform well with today's technology instead of spending $100 on a device that can't keep up with today's software?

My point is, you'll be spending your money for new parts but at the same time those parts will not improve your system that much. The SSD will be an improvement(SSD will only increase your read/write speeds and loading times, it will not increase your processing/compiling speeds) but adding more DDR2 RAM won't make that much difference, even if you added 4 or 8 GB.

You are only looking at what it will cost you, you are not looking at what results it will or will not actually get you.

I understand that you are sentimentally attached to your ThinkPad because it has served you well and it is durable.

I'm only suggesting that you would be better off to get something "newer" as in newer than what you have, I didn't say that you needed to buy a "new" system as in a brand new system. There are plenty of better systems than what you have that can be bought for as much or less than what you would spend on your SSD and RAM.

I bought a quad-core, 8 gb laptop from eBay 4 years ago and only paid $139 for it, I upgraded the CPU(4 core i7 2.4Ghz/3.5Ghz turbo and hyperthreaded) added 8GB of RAM for a total of 16GB and a SSHD, for a total of $350 including the price of the laptop. That system is better than the one you have and costed less than what you are expecting to spend on something newer. The system I bought for $139 is still a better system than what you have even before I bought the upgrades for it. That same system would be much cheaper today than it was 4 years ago.

Do you see what I mean now? I promise you that there is a better system out there that is better costs less than what you expect to spend or have in your budget.

You just have to know where to look and what to buy.
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
Wow, thanks for your time. You helped me to look at different point of view, which is nice.

I bought this laptop a month ago for $60 because i needed a portable computer (i have a desktop with i5, 8gb ram and whatnot).

About the drivers; i run linux, drivers and things get updated anyway if needed. BIOS rarely needs an update plus i installed a modded bios so it's kinda "updated" :D . RAM can be left as is, the OS and couple of programs together don't eat much memory.

Right now, as long as the laptop can open 3 excel spreadsheets and Google Earth at once (i study geology btw), i don't need a newer system. The hdd is painfully slow sometimes, that's why i asked for advice about an SSD.

But yes, i totally get your point, and i plan to get smth better once i start earning something, but not now.

I asked about the rom compilation to see whether i could build on that laptop if I'm desperate, which i appear to be able to if i will leave it overnight.

Thanks for your answer though, I appreciate it even if it doesn't help me much. Take care.
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Yes, what you have will "do the job", but, be aware, you might get a few headaches along the way.

Side note: what I meant about driver support was more aimed at the fact that hardware components have an "end of life" point, after which, support for that hardware in newer software is dropped, it isn't unheard of for a system to have components that are no longer supported by or can function with an OS or other software. Some legacy devices and components just get left behind due to changes in architecture and coding.
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
I agree, and right now the current headache is that 5400 rpm hdd (at least it has something that stops I/O when the pc is dropped). Gonna sell that hdd and buy some dram-less ssd.

Forgot to add: right now, it's either an old-ish laptop that'll serve me when I'm at uni or anywhere, or I'll wait couple of years and get a new laptop. I chose the old-ish laptop so that i am able to carry a work machine with me and I can always resell those upgrades after i retire my current pc.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
1. Droidriven is a kind and helpful User and most of all he gives very good advices

2. Every HDD hard disk will never need to be connected to SATA III 6 Gb/s port because it doesn't even use the maxiumum speed that offeres SATA II 3 Gb/s interface.

3. You've said a very true thing:

"You have to consider that these older systems no longer have driver support and BIOS updates to keep up with today's software and hardware. Lack of driver support and BIOS updates means there will be things that your system will have issues with and things that it just can't do because it doesn't have the drivers or BIOS that is required."

With that being said am I in danger of being left behind and EOL with a Z170 platform?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
No, hardware is supported for about 10-15 years before it is EOL but it loses the ability to keep up long before 10-15 years. Some of the lesser/cheaper aftermarket insertable components and peripheral devices get dropped sooner, but motherboards and chipsets receive driver support for several years.
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
Almost every hardware is EOLed the moment a newer version is released. No manufacturer is interested in supporting their old hardware, unless there is a significant user base.

The community will support the hardware to some point after manufacturer abandons it, like those smartphones that are supported with custom roms. There are even updated linux distros which can be installed on Powermacs so that they could be used as daily, and those are systems which don't have their drivers or bios updated and nobody even remembers they existed.

I even had windows 7 running stable on old an optiplex with drivers from winxp or win2k, and a custom build pentium 4 system which could run win 8.1 and 10 with winxp drivers, which means a good driver rarely needs an update. Unless you're trying to install x86 drivers on a x64 OS.

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1. I'm sure he is.

2. SATA is backwards compatible, which means you can install a sata3 drive into sata1 port and vice versa. Speed will be throttled tho.

3. A well built stable system won't die unexpectedly just because it does not have updated drivers or bios. You need bios updates only if you add new hardware like newer processors. I hope i don't need to explain drivers.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
I'm sorry to destroy your hopes but, what did you mean by saying drivers is 3.?

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A brand new TOPIC: A Laptop problem.

I have a fantastic laptop bought 10 years ago that served me well especially under linux. It's 15,6 it has every port You can imagine (no USB 3.0 tho) but DVD-drive and one of the most important things: at the bottom it has a quick access little 1 screw doors to replace RAM (already done max with that) and replace 2,5 inch SATA II disks.

I love the last feature cause I have a couple of SSD disks and I love to test new distros or change operating systems in max. 1 minute by switching the SSDs. For example I run Linux but if I need Windows I get the SSD with Windows in my hand and replace it. This laptop is for Writing in Libre Office in linux, scanning and pritning trough USB 2.0, reading and recording DVD's, reading and writing USB pendrive's with data and browsing the internet.

Lately however even in Linux XFCE the laptop just can't keep up with internet browsing when more than 3 tabs are open and if I start doing another task it will take a lot of time.

I would like to know what would be better : buy a new laptop with the best disk drive a laptop can have (M.2 SSD PCIEx NVMe) or try to buy the same laptop as my old with 2,5 inch SATA III for normal SSDs. The M.2 is very tempting but I don't have other M.2 disks and the access to them is rather complicated. I could however buy another M.2 disk and put linux there or Windows depending on what's installed in the new laptop. These laptops are usualy called ultrabooks, they are smaller than 15,3 and there's no way that they offer a good access to these M.2 drives like in my old laptop to 2,5" drives.

These ultrabooks are expensive but still affordable but too fast for my needs. I think a new 15,6 should do the trick but there's a catch: I never buy used parts so the new 15"6 laptops have 3 major cons:

1) they lack ports (DVD, 1000 Mbps LAN)

2) they lack these quick access doors to 2,5 inch drives at the bottom

3) their quality is poor as I read the opinions and see and touch them (very poor screens).

The ONLY brand that has number 2 and good screens for good price is ACER, but in EVERY model I read in the internet, even in the gaming ones, that cost even more than ultrabooks the opinoions are not so good about them.

What shall I do? Skip the 2,5" inch SSD era and go for M.2 and ANY brand of ultrabooks or upgrade/stay with the 15"6 normal SSD era with finding a good ACER.

There are no barebones in my country, only ready to go laptops/ultrabooks, so don't even try that argument..... ;)
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
3. A hardware with good drivers and bios almost never requires an update. Only those buggy drivers will need patches. If you buy a standard consumer computer, you'll likely come see some unstable drivers, because planned obsolence. Business computers, like the one i have, have reliable support from OEM because they cost more and businesses depend on them.

What are your laptop's specs? I guess you need to buy a new one considering it's somewhat upgraded. Also, it is advised not to change storage drives frequently according to the manual from my laptop. You might break the connectors and make your device unusable.

I'd say going for m.2 ssd's is pointless. Yea they're fast, but you don't seem to need such fast speeds.

Remember i was talking about donglebooks that can

break if you sneeze on them? Ultrabooks are the same story. They're fast, too fragile, likely have less ports than a netbook from a decade ago.

Depending on your budget, there are some nice devices out there, but most are about 800 or 900 usd. Also negative reviews from acer is a red flag for me. O wouldn't buy acer.

This is all i can say with my current knowledge, so I'll leave the word to others.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
1. I know that business laptops are the best (even used ones) BUT I will never buy a used hardware..

2. If You have a laptop similar to Acer in terms of bottom doors then please tell me the brand and the model.
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
1. I didn't say business laptops are a must, i just said they don't dissapoint in terms of longevity.

2. First tell me how much money are you willing to spend. For example, this laptop is likely what you want, but if it's expensive then we'll need to think about something else.

Edit: or maybe something like thinkpad e570. I look for laptops with at least 3 usb ports and a dvd drive because you said you record optical media.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
AMAZING, just AMAZING. The Lenovo V330 is like exactly what I need, the Thinkpad e570 is also nice but 7th gen.

Too bad I don't know if it has IPS display, my shops show only LED Mat display and no touch (a touch screen would be nice).

BUT HOW AM I going to put a 2,5" SSD in that laptop?
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
Probably by opening some cover on the undercarrige. Lenovo advertises the v330 as "repairable" so it should be easy and likely it has some sort of ultrabay (ultrabay is a "thing" that allows you to swap the dvd drive for a 2.5 drive while the system is running). Almost all thinkpads should have accessible drive slot(s).

Also that thinkpad is an example. Honestly, I'm actually dissapointed that newer thinkpad laptops actually come with less ports, so i wasn't paying attention to generation of the cpu.

I read that getting a one or two gen older cpu won't hurt but ask someone else here because i don't know much.

About display, the best thing is to see it yourself. The matte is considered better, but not always.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
True, so true!

But are you certain that I should quit looking for ACERS?

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BTW

TO EVERYONE that's READING: DON'T EVER buy ADATA's SSD 2,5 inch drives, even on MLC memory banks. ALL models of ADATA SSD's are going sooner or later down. The data is gone forever, the best thing that may happen is that they reduce their speed to the speed of a low class HDD - like 40 MB/S.

I'm so shocked and disapointed! cause they've got nice prices.

So by extension also try to avoid their USB pendrive's.
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
Neither you nor I heard something positive about them. I wouldn't give acer my money. You decide.

Thanks for the info though not surprised.
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
7th gen are still very viable CPUs and will be for a few years, they will last well until you choose to get a new system.
[Off-topic] streetprism:
Thanks for this thread. I hope I can find some answers to the following.

My Windows PC keeps on crashing and am getting a Kernel error. I'm running on Windows 10, it's making me sick I have read from other forms and can't seem to get an accurate answer to my problem.
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
Any success with safe mode?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Go to Control Panel>Security and Maintenance>Recovery>Open System Restore, choose a restore point(click the "show more restore points" if you want/need to), let it restore to that point. When System Restore finishes, re-install whatever programs, drivers or updates you lost during the restore process.

Or

Click start menu, then click the gear icon for settings, then choose the "update/recovery", then choose recovery, then choose the "reset my PC", choose the keep my files option. When the reset finishes, re-install any programs, drivers or updates you lost.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
What do I have to worry about when buying a smaller laptop like 14", 13.3" ?

Should I keep something in mind when selecting a laptop with touch screen? No back sun scernario - home use only.
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Maybe a cooler but not necessarily a stand.
[Off-topic] alexsandro22:
I have been using for a while. I bought macbook pro last year and only few weeks ago I decided to take stand for it. I don't remember what kind of stand I took but if you really need it you should check some reviews. The choice is yours.

https://whatever-tech.com/best-monitor-stands/
[Off-topic] Dirk:
Had a power-on issue with my PC recently. It's an old Ivybridge era self-build that's served me faithfully for what must be seven years or so. Rather than mess about replacing part-by-part, i thought it was a good time for a proper rebuild. Kept my current SSD drives (2xSamsung 840 Pro), Graphics card (Nvidia 980GTX), Sound Card (Asus Essense ST), Case (LIAN-LI), and replaced everything else. (Including the old Noctua Tower CPU cooler as well as the Seasonic Platinum 650W Power Supply that i had been using with the same, but new, models).

I don't do much that requires a great deal of resources so i went for a modest setup. Intel i5 9600K (6 Cores, 3.7 base, 4.5 Turbo). Basic Asus mobo (B360-Plus), that supports everything i need without overclocking or unnecessary extras. Basic but solid.

After building everything worked straight away. Didn't even need to re-install Windows, (although had to reactivate). It's a big jump in performance compared to seven year ago, and everything feels snappy and responsive. £600.00 total. Overall, very happy. Hope it lasts for at least seven years again!
[Off-topic] Ibuprophen:
Just imagine having to install Windows 8 via these 3.5" Floppies! :eek:

LMAO!!!

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[Off-topic] Droidriven:
I can hardly believe that they actually put W8.1 on floppy of any kind.
[Off-topic] replica9000:
Hmmm....

What's the transfer speed? 500 kilobits per second?

500Kbps = 0.0625 MB/s.

1.44MB / 0.0625MB/s = 23.04 seconds per disk

23 seconds * 3711 disks = 85,501.44 seconds

85,501.44 seconds = 23.7504 hours

So yeah, a full day just listening to those floppies crank out those bits lol
[Off-topic] eurodiesel:
Did they really put windows 8.1 on floppies? I wonder what kind of computer they'd be using to install win8.1 using floppies...

Oh, and that's 3711 discs...

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Include the time needed to change floppies, which will be around 10 seconds i guess. That will make 34 hours.
[Off-topic] replica9000:
And imagine getting 3000 disks into the install, and there's a read error...

(On windows 3.1, simply pressing enter repeatedly would cause install to ignore the error)