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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Lior Messer:
Hi, in all themes I've seen so far the icons in the notofication bar are single color (normally blue), ICS/JB style. I used to have a Galaxy S and was able to change those icons to some colorful ones. There was even a site where you could cook your own ones (UOT Kitchen). Is there something similar for the Nexus?
[HTC One X] seanicca:
Apologies if this as been asked before but the search option on phone didn't really help me.

I rooted my HOX and whenever I reboot after being in cwm I get a send error message notification in status bar, is there anyway to stop this? It's not really a problem I just click cancel, its just a little annoying

Cheers

Sean

OK I found the setting and unticked, looked everywhere and never saw it before
[HTC One X] iwalkthrowwalls:
Where is the setting? I have the same issue
[Off-topic] ilikeeggs1230:
Just put your fave video game.

I will put a topic and everyone follows the topic. NOTE: Only pick one. (Ex. Topic: First Person Shooter. Person puts Call of Duty. The next puts Battlefield 3, and so on) Once the topic runs out of ideas then someone can post a new topic and so on.

First topic: Best 3rd Person Free Roam
[Off-topic] WiredPirate:
I'm not much of a fan of 3rd person shooters, but if I have to pick I'm gonna go with Resident Evil I guess.
[Off-topic] ilikeeggs1230:
3rd person free roam not shooter.

Sent from my Droid that does, not your iPhone that won't. Cheers.
[Off-topic] ilikeeggs1230:
And I will go with saints row 3

Sent from my Droid that does, not your iPhone that won't. Cheers.
[Off-topic] Archer:
We've already got "best of this" threads and "I pick a topic and you all post stuff" threads, so we don't need any more.

Also, there's a gaming thread for general discussion. If you want to know people's favourite 3rd Person free roam game then ask in there and let people discuss it.

Thread closed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Theshawty:
The source was released two days ago, OTA's yesterday (or maybe it was today), so do you think the factory images package will be up either tomorrow or the day efter? :p

These times are based on GMT+1.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
They'll be up soon enough... There are direct download links to all of the OTA files now though if you want them, they're available.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zidd0:
Really?

Where can we download them?

Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zidd0:
As a matter of fact, you only need to have a 4.0.4 and reset the "Framework Google". Then, if you go to "Settings" and search for updates. You'll Have the 4.1.1 OTA :victory:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] animal24:
If your straight yakju or not one of the regional builds.
[Nexus 7 General] dferrey:
Maybe this was discussed in another thread but I couldn't find it.

I know Google is said to be selling these at cost (at least the 8GB one), but does it really cost $50 to go from 8GB to 16GB?
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
1) They're not selling at cost (estimated profits are $15-$47 for the 8GB version)

2) It's very unlikely that the additional 8GB costs $50. This is something they call, among devices with no SD card option, "screwing you over".
[Nexus 7 General] raafaell:
I read that it cost Google $8-12 more for the 16gb
[Nexus 7 General] adiliyo:
at $250, it's still a great deal for the hardware.
[Nexus 7 General] xperiax10.awesome:
You know the difference in PRICE for iPad 16n 32GB? Ever complained !!!

Stop trolling..

sent from seXperia S
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
$100 (aka the same $6.25/extra GB that we're facing now).

I hope you're not seriously suggesting that we look to Apple pricing standards as something to be proud of.
[Nexus 7 General] dferrey:
Thanks to thebobp, raafaell and adiliyo for your thoughts.

xperiax10.awesome & Thador: My question was an honest one and I was hoping for serious responses.
[Nexus 7 General] ace9988:
I came from the Evo 3D forum expecting better ...but the retards will always be around. Nobody is trolling its just a simple question, if you can't answer it and want to dish out another answer, do it elsewhere

Different sources are claiming that there is either a very small profit or small loss on the 8GB, it'll depend from region i suspect and what the pricings have taken into account. If you're talking simply in terms of BOM, the 8GB costs $184 to make and their selling it for $199....profit you'd think, however factor in the $25 app credit along with other marketing and advertising costs and it does add up. VAT in the UK makes a difference too along with some sort of import duty to all the countries it will be sold in. At the end of the day it's all mixed in the books so we can never know the full truth.

Here's your link

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27820-nexus-7-costs-$184-to-build
[Nexus 7 General] baxtex:
It's stilla great deal, But I think it's kind of cheap not to include a SD card slot.
[Nexus 7 General] zinfinion:
Here's a newer teardown cost appraisal: http://allthingsd.com/20120711/googles-nexus-7-costs-152-to-make-ihs-isuppli-teardown-finds/

Basically the 8GB version is the loss leader to get people interested and then they buy the 16GB version just in case. No different than any other retail operation.

Marketing is the study of taking the most money from the most people in the least amount of time. :p
[Nexus 7 General] sfreemanoh:
You're absolutely right. How DARE Google try to make any sort of profit at all, while still giving us by far the best 7" tablet we've seen yet?!
[Nexus 7 General] Censura_Umbra:
Plus, as has been reported, any actual hardware profit goes to ASUS not Google
[Nexus 7 General] wittitdew:
It cost Google like $185 to make the 8gb model. With your logic that's 15 dollars profit per device (before shipping)... What about the price of packaging each device? What about the price of distribution to third party retailers? What about the price of marketing and advertisement? And that free $25 Play Store credit, and other freebies... it might be free to us but money for those items still comes from somewhere. They're selling these for a loss...
[Nexus 7 General] SwervFusion:
They are in business. Since when was it *NOT* okay to make a profit when you manufacture a product?

Whatever it costs for them to make, market, and ship internally, both products are well within a fair market value.
[Nexus 7 General] zinfinion:
One other thing:

If the 16GB model were $208 ($8 being the presumed cost of the additional RAM), would anyone buy the 8GB model?

Not likely. And all the 8GB models produced would sit around in a warehouse collecting dust.
[Nexus 7 General] ivwonka:
When I learned of the cost for the Nexus 7, I thought hell yeah, $200 for a nice tablet. I'm in. Then when I learned it was 8 gb with no sd card, I thought, "crap, I don't want to run out of room after I put a couple big games on it. Feel cramped and out-grown while the rest of the specs are still good." I have used an old, smaller sd card on a phone before and know the frustrations of running on limited space. Always having to scour the folders to delete anything extra. I didn't want that limitation, so I went with the 16gb even though a part of me was screaming, "Are you crazy! You are paying 25% more for the exact same thing with a little bit more space!"

Even now that I know we will be able to use a usb flash drive for expandable storage, I am happy I went with the 16gb just because I won't want a dongle on it all the time. In comparison to the 8gb version, the 16gb version is no where near as good of a price. That being said, it is still a good deal, if you compare it to everything else on the market except the 8gb nexus7. I think the extra $50 is going to be a big difference to me in not having to worry as much about space and I am glad I ponied up the extra.
[Nexus 7 General] xperiax10.awesome:
Price seems ok, no complains..

All,

FYI, the build COST of iPads is just 320 dollars!!!

sent from seXperia S
[Nexus 7 General] Makaijin:
First, for a genuine answer. No, it does not cost Asus $50 to add an extra 8 GB of flash storage.

$250 for the Nexus 7 is still a bargain either way.

For a more personal subjective answer. Asus/Google can charge what they want. You vote with your wallet, it's that simple.

So to all those people saying people are getting screwed over buying the 16 GB version.

Is Google forcing you to buy the 16 GB at gun point? No.

Will you die of hunger if you don't buy the 16 GB version? No.

Does the 8 GB version have a time bomb that explodes, punishing you for not buying the 16 GB version? No.

Will god kill a kitten for every person that pays for the 16 GB version? No.

Like I said above. You are given a choice. You vote with your wallet. It really is that simple.

/rant
[Nexus 7 General] dferrey:
I'm not sure why you quoted me. I made no comments suggesting it's not okay to make a profit!

I agree with you. I think the tablets are a very good value. I was just asking a simple and honest question.
[Nexus 7 General] qpqpqp:
I do feel that google or Asus did kind of gouge my eyes out with the price jump by bit including the the microsd. Even with everyone saying that they have to make a profit, which I agree, I still think that it was unnecessary for the price of the 16gb model and still without a microSD slot.
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
There's actually a simple (and non-sarcastic) answer to this: make a profit while still giving us the best user experience possible. It's in their very philosophy, in fact.

Does crippling a device give us the best user experience possible? Not really.

You may be able to vote, but the election can still be rigged. This is true even for real-life elections, where good candidates and bad candidates are bundled together in party tickets.

Similarly, in this case, the good parts of the m370 are bundled together with certain bads (lack of sd card) to get a device that, while it may still be worth voting for, is far from ideal.

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@Questionspammer:

Maximum $185. This is an upper bound that goes down with economies of scale.

No third party retailers carry the 8GB version, only the 16GB where a sizable profit is definitely being made.

If you think about it, this is, in fact, their business model. They get free advertising and a hook off the fact that they have a crappy $199 version, and most everyone will go "oh but for security's sake, I'll just buy the version that gives 8GB more and provide them with $50 extra profit".

Unknown, but relatively small. Also, these costs can be combined with that for the 16GB version, which is profitable.

They can afford it off the people who buy the $250 version, and it's only for a limited time.

WHAT OTHER FREEBIES HAVE I BEEEN MISSING??!
[Nexus 7 General] Censura_Umbra:
Freebies: there are movies and magazines pre loaded.

Also if the DID include a micro SD card NONE of us would have bought the 16gb now almost all of us did. Good choice on Google's part.
[Nexus 7 General] Nospin:
No SD slot isn't screwing us over, it's called making the kind of tablet they wanted to make.

As for upping the price for storage "beyond" the actual costs.... please see every laptop/smartphone/iPad/tablet/MP3 player ever made. That's how it works.
[Nexus 7 General] sfreemanoh:
If you don't like it, buy something else. You're whining because, regardless of what you say, it's not hitting the price point you want it to while including a memory card slot. For $250 you're not going to get anything better right now, end of story. And seriously, they're maybe making $20-$30 off the 16GB, if that. For a tablet with pretty awesome specs, not including the lack of a memory card slot. They're a company. They're in it to make money, not give everything away.
[Nexus 7 General] SinisterModz:
http://m.gizmodo.com/5925063/google-might-not-be-losing-money-on-the-nexus-7-after-all

What 8 more GB really cost.
[Nexus 7 General] vamp6x6x6x:
Ok, I will admit that 8GB is a little bit since the Android OS takes up about 5GB(don't quote me on that), but as far as the whole comparing the extrabuilt in memory price to a sd card price is odd to say the least.

I mean, companies have been doing this for years now and your going to get mad at a company for doing what other companies do?

And as far as it not having a SD slot: It is a Nexus device, and what do they usually lack?

And with that said if I have enough money I am going to get the 16GB one but if not...well, I prob will just flash my good old Samsung Vibrant with a good Jelly Bean rom when it comes out, because like I said 8GB is a bit small for my tastes.
[Nexus 7 General] adiliyo:
The os takes about 2gb, leaving the user with roughly 6gb free.
[Nexus 7 General] Kitten Mittens:
I bought the 8GB because it was the perfect price for me, and I really don't need the storage for much. If I can fit a single movie on there then I'm good. My phone has 32GB and I don't even need that much, all my music is in Google Music anyways, I also have Google Drive, and I have a USB OTG cable already so if I really need to I will use a flash drive for those few trips that call for more media. Plus there are apps like Splashtop for remotely accessing a PC which has all the storage you'll ever need. The 16GB would have been a safe bet, and I fear I might feel a little constrained at times with only 6GB or so of usable space, but I just can't justify spending another $50 for 8GB of additional storage.
[Nexus 7 General] akarol:
In May, it was calculated that it costs $316 to make the iPad 3. Do the math. Google is being more than generous.
[Nexus 7 General] vamp6x6x6x:
Oh ok, thank you, wasn't very sure about that.
[Nexus 7 General] sark666:
Yes they are charging more for the additional 8 gigs than the first 8 gigs. But as most mentioned all considered it's still a great deal.

However, I wonder how many people would be getting the 16 if the nexus had an sdslot.
[Nexus 7 General] thebobp:
That's dumb. You know it's possible to not like something but still have no better option, right? Say if you only had a choice between beans+milk or beans+turd. You'd still buy the beans+milk, regardless of how much you might dislike it.

(Besides, I never said that I disliked the tablet. That all depends on the screen; it has little or nothing to do with my observations here.)

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, it's called bundling, and it's almost always done to the detriment of the consumer.

(Which makes sense; the producers are the ones doing the bundling, after all.)
[Nexus 7 General] Makaijin:
Oh no! We're being exploited! We need to overthrow those bourgeois so that everyone can buy a Nexus 7 for the real cost of production!

Android lovers of the world unite; for you have nothing to lose but your iPads.

Welcome to capitalism.
[Nexus 7 General] user7618:
If I'm not mistaken, the 8gb version is only available on the play store. Retailers are only getting the 16gb version. That extra $50 should cover the distribution costs and the retailers cut. As for the 16gb version on the play store, except for the $5 or so for the increased storage, pure profit for Asus. *shrugs* Seems clear to me.

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[Nexus 7 General] khaytsus:
Knowing how much R&D it costs to bring a complicated device to market and then people whine because it's $15 below what it costs in RAW PARTS (not even assembled!) makes me want to stab people in the face.
[Nexus 7 General] Jayrod1980:
In the same vein as what some others have said, making the 16gb at 250 gets the device in brick and mortar stores and allows this retailers to make a profit... or they wouldn't carry it. Google still may very well make no profit off either model in hardware... they did bank roll the project and did all the software development on the device.

It really sickens me that even though some of you say there's nothing wrong with them making a profit, yet you still complain about 8gbs cost not equal to the price increase.

There's an undercurrent of hate here, as if you actually deserve to get this at cost... or somehow cheaper. The market will decide, and if its sub par for the price, it will be a flop. No one owes you a 200 buck tablet with every part you demand. I'm all for fairness, but expecting things to be sold at cost or loss for your benefit removes all incentive for companies to produce desirable goods. This is the way the real world operates.

Look at apple. I hate their closed ecosystem and patent trolling but they will continue to roll out success after success not because of the goodness of their heart but because the profits made provide that incentive. Now why people pay for their products is another story...
[Nexus 7 General] Makaijin:
+1 :good:

Seriously, some people can't appreciate how much time, R&D, and money a company puts in bringing out these products. If you feel that charging an extra $50 for an extra $6 worth of NAND is that bad, then how about you go out and buy the extra $6 NAND chip and solder it on yourself? Better still, I'll give you my 8 GB Nexus 7 and mod it for me? No, you can't charge me more than $6 for doing it for me. Why? because if you do, you're just doing the exact same thing as Asus/Google, charging more than $6 for the extra 8 GB that you were complaining about in the first place, hypocrite.
[Nexus 7 General] Ace42:
Google needs the extra money to fight Apple in court.
[Nexus 7 General] bballer71418:
Does anyone think if they gave away a 8gb nexus 7 people would still complain about the lack of sd-card slot? Lol
[Nexus 7 General] Jameslepable:
Wow how dare a company make a profit. There is still not a single tablet out there that gives you that much bang for your buck. Take it or leave it.
[Nexus 7 General] fixyourtech:
For sure.
[Nexus 7 General] P1 Wookie:
Just my opinion, but I think maybe the fact that the 16gb is the only one being sold outside of the play store might have something to do with it.
[Nexus 7 General] altimax98:
Apple has been charging $100 for 16GB for years..... get over it

And without SD card slots
[Nexus 7 General] Capt.PP:
Shipping Status	Quantity	Item	Price

Not Shipped	2	Nexus 7 (16GB)	$249.00

Shipping:	$13.99

Tax(CA):	$38.60

Total:	$550.59

The 16GB once cost 50 dollars more but I'm willing to buy 2 to help fund Google's empire to fenced off his foes.
[Nexus 7 General] Indrid Cole:
It's all about the cloud plp. Geesh.. The whole push is for cloud service fees. Better start snatching up the free space B4 I do.lol. I have over 600gb cloud between multiple accounts. All free. But trust me not for long. As for now no evedence of any new nexus devices in the pipe having SD slots.

The only thing I have to say for multiple cloud accounts. ESfile explorer.

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That last statement F'n rocks bro.. Huzza.. And I'm sure you ment ones..lol.. If not I want my 50bucks back.;)
[Nexus 7 General] Dorin131:
Exactly my thoughts! I bought the 8GB version and I'm going to get a micro USB OTG cable and a micro USB stick which are going to solve all the storage problems (and give me more than 16GB).
[Nexus 7 General] dmcduck:
The true reason there is no SD card slot is performance. If you troll the web, you can find articles explaining this. With the plethora of different class SD cards, they didn't want the speed of the card impairing the performance of the device, so there is only internal storage, optimized for the device.

This is likely the same reason that Apple has never put a card slot in any of their devices either.

Just my 2 cents.
[Nexus 7 General] donutkidd:
From what I saw..Yes
[Nexus 7 General] Evo_Shift:
Business decision. Who would buy the 8GB model if it was only $10 more to buy the 16GB model? Why would they even bother having two separate tablets then? Google doesn't want to lose money. They are in the business to make money and a $50-$100 up charge for memory is very common in the smart device world.
[Nexus 7 General] MemoryController:
No. Including a sdcard slot would make the 16gb obsolete. Apple has never put a sdcard slot in their iDevices for the same reason.
[Nexus 7 General] foxbat121:
It doesn't support OTG out of box. You need to root and install 3rd party apps in order to use that external storage.

For OP, it is a business decision: to make it < $200 so that general public will be interested and buy it (like Kindle Fire). The whole reason why Android tablets haven't made any dent on iPad market share was they all cost too much and offering less features compared to iPad. Making it cheaper is one (easy) way to expand your market share.

Google sells 8GB version at even or slight loss and use 16GB version to make up the loss on 8GB.
[Nexus 7 General] alan77ss:
Companies do this all the time. It's the same strategy Asus use on their transformer line; sell the tablet cheap, charge a premium for the dock. you don't see many transformer dock owners complaining they're subsidising the cheapskate tablet-only people.

It's a clever marketing strategy by Google - grab the headlines with the cheap 8gb, but end up selling more 16gb versions through the retail stores. Like others have said, if you don't like the price you don't have to buy,; no one 'needs' a tablet.

- Written from my transformer tablet...with dock.
[Nexus 7 General] Indrid Cole:
Worng not third party apps. It's all in the kernel. And stacks. If were just root and apps I'd be using an OTG on my epic touch..
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Perhaps, but the most popular (and easiest sounding) solution to work around this is to utilize USB OTG + the StickMount app.
[Nexus 7 General] foxbat121:
StickMount app will get your OTG working.
[Nexus 7 General] JaSauders:
Ahh the magical StickMount... I'd love to know how on earth it works.
[Nexus 7 General] foxbat121:
As widely reported a few days ago, all the plumbing work has already been done in JB. All you need is an app to take advantage of that.
[Nexus 7 General] Indrid Cole:
I stand corrected. Thanks for the info for the Nexus7 just wish worked on my ET4G.
[Nexus 7 General] foxbat121:
ET4G is GS2, right? If so, it should have OTG support out of box as is my AT&T version of GS2. You just need the right OTG cable.
[Nexus 7 General] sabre31:
I am pissed why is Google making money from us? This is not right.
[Nexus 7 General] Hubert Fu:
it seems like their 8G version is to attract attention and 16G version to earn some money~ whatever it is the Nexus 7 cost performance is nice~
[Nexus 7 General] MemoryController:
Well that makes sense. Google is no Apple, but it's no charity organization either
[Nexus 7 General] qpqpqp:
The performance is nice because they optimize the OS for it. In reality its the cheaper quad core they they're using.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Pandalero:
Is there any chance one of the devs working on this device can get CWM recovery working for it? I've used CWM exclusively on my OG Droid and Inc 2.... I'm hesitant to use a recovery I'm unfamiliar with on my Inc 4G.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] *Madmoose*:
The only recovery available is TWRP. I don't know of anything being worked on through other developers. But trust me on this, TWRP is far superior and easier to use. Just an opinion, but wanted to shed some of your fears. I've used TWRP on several phones and it works extremely well.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] Pandalero:
Do you know if ROM Manager can be used with TWRP? Or would it even be necessary to install ROM Manager?

Sent from my HTC Incredible 4G
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] *Madmoose*:
RomManager is designed for CWM. I strongly doubt it will work giving recovery commands that reboot the phone. In fact, judging by the comments left about RomManager lately, I don't think it supports much of anything any more.
[Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE] nitsuj17:
rom manager is usually compatible with other recoveries (4ext comes to mind)

i cant speak from experience w/ twrp though