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[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Me only me. No remote connections no wrokViaInternert.

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Is it true that Threadrippers will not work with DDR4 RAM below 3000MHz?

Is it also with normal AMD Ryzen 1..... or AMD Ryzen 2...... ?

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How about using AMD FX 8core CPUs?

They overheat but I would have 8 cores for a super super low price and motherboard too and I would use DDR3 that I already have......

Would it be ok the everything I pplanned

or just for virtualization and nothign else cause it would lag?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
I think you'd like Ryzen better, but, given that you already have viable hardware that you can use, go for the best motherboard and CPU that you can afford to go along with your PSU and DDR3, a DDR4 system would be better for future usage and upgrades.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
I think there are only low end MOBOS left for AM+ socket :( (from I see)
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Well, Ryzen it is then.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
No, I need to search deeper :) Dont give dude :)
[Off-topic] marvelart:
Very informative thread. I improved my knowledge with the help of this thread.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Really?

You mean the exchange of info between me and Droidriven and Ibuprofen?

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Let's finish our ufinished thing.

I learned something or two....

But I need You here dude

BTW Cany anyone else watching us help?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
What did you discover?
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
In Intel processor world EACH day is differen when it comes to prices.

Have you seen some of the strangest things among them?

for example the i7-8686K Limited Edition (forgive me if i mixed up the i7...number) is almost the most not cheap CPU there is and i9-i9900 is the most noncheap but it all changes during the day:(
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
The reason for daily price changes is a mixture of supply and demand, manufacture date, stepping code and in some cases binning is also a factor depending on who you get the CPU from.

YMMV, but, like anything that is mass produced, the quality of the materials and how well they are put together changes day to day, that's where stepping code and what the CPU was binned as comes into play. Stepping code effects performance/efficiency of the CPU and certain binnings have better performance and efficiency.

For example, when I bought my i7 4790k for the rig I built 3-4 years ago, I looked at the different stepping codes available for i7 4790k and also looked around for input from other people that bought a i7 4790k to see which binning performed the best, then I looked around for a i7 4790k with the best stepping and binning to ensure the best performance. I did not just leave it to chance when buying the CPU.

You can also look at the link below to find a CPU that has been pre-tested and binned and which ones are better.

https://siliconlottery.com/
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Wow man,

When I was looking for Intel CPU people told me smomething about "look out for batch number" and get info from with batch the CPU is most overclockable and then buy it. I didn't heard anything about another number to look out for :(

BTW Please excuse me cause my English is bad (I'm from Europe) but can You somehow rewrite Your reply so I could understand the meaning of the words: stepping code, binning,

And congrats on having the excellent knowledge for buying i7 4790k. I almost bought it. I was slepless at night cause I knew it was the best (then) CPU to buy in every category! and it will stand the test of time mostly!

Another Thing.

Do You think That when I buy a 2066 socket motherboard and a 2066 socket most low priced CPU it would be better in overal OS reaction time, response, Virtualzation than when I get a 1551 socket MOBO and CPU (but both much higher priced than in 2066 socket case)?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
I'll have to do some reading between 2066 and 1151, I'm not familiar with either one.

Basically, the "stepping" I'm referring to are improvements made in the architecture of a CPU design as production of the CPU continues, in other words, a CPU produced at the beginning of the year may have a less efficient "stepping" than the same CPU produced at the end of the year.

This explains what stepping is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepping_level

Binning is a term than refers to the process of testing multiple CPUs to test their performance, CPUs that have similar limits are "binned" together. For example, the i7 4790k were "binned" according to the maximum that they could be overclocked(i.e. 4.7, 4.8, 4.9, 5.0), with a bin for each maximum.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
DUDE WAIT it's 1151 not 1551 SORRY!!!!!
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
I got it
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
1. What is bin in these testing? It means max OC GHz?

2. Why on this site and the forum that it leads to say about 9th gen CPUs deliding process? 9th gen CPUs dont need deliding cause they have solidered IHS jsut like Intel codename Sandy Bridge (for example i5-2500K, 2nd gen intel CPUs) and all AMD CPUs.
[Off-topic] Ibuprophen:
Did you?

I had saw the following Ad at one of the Supermarkets just before you had posted this...

LMAO!!! :)

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[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Delidding has nothing to do with what is on the outside of the CPU. Delidding is a process that involves removing the cap on tbe CPU, inside the CPU casing, there are imperfections in the material that bonds the lid to the internal materials, this layer is what transfers heat to the lid/IHS. In the delidding process, the imperfections are corrected to ensure that there are no gaps anywhere, this ensures that heat is transferred across the whole surface evenly.

The IHS eliminates the need for "lapping", but does not necessarily remove the need for delidding.

Lapping is a process of sanding/buffing a CPU and the heatsink to be as smooth and flat as possible to ensure they contact each other across their entire surfaces for maximum cooling potential.

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Huh?
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
I dont understand why it is done. In the 1st gen and 2gen (SandyBridge) - the last Intel CPU gen with solid inner heat spreader.

9th is the return of the solid inner heat spreader.

Why would they bother to do such things?

And I'm very sorry again but I dont understand this reply fully: Delidding, lid/IHS (CPU transistors, cores then either solid or paste IHS and then lid(also known as cap) right?); buffing; heatsink in CPU;
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Like I said, anything that is mass produced, has imperfections. Serious overclockers arw very critical over every detail, they are very thorough in every detail of how the CPU is put together internally and every detail involved in achieving a CPU that is fast and stays cool. They want absolutely as much contact and heat transfer as possible, they even make sure there are not even the tiniest scratches on the CPU exterior surface of the cap and not even the tiniest scratch on the heatsink.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
It's amazing!

I get it now!

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I forgot to thank You buddy - THANKS!

Imagine instead of buying on of Intel's CPUs we all know 8gen. 9gen. - it is all called the 1551 line to make it easy it's a mainstream line = socket name = socket 1551 (examples: Core i 7-8600K, Core i7-6700K. Your CPU is also from the same mainstream line but from older socket - 1550 as far as I remember.

How about I take the high-edt, HEDT for "welathy people" CPU and MOBO, the CPU would be Corei7-7800X on that highend line - socket 2066?
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
So? What Do You think? Corei7-7800X or .... Corei7-8600K? for example?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
This benchmark is between i7 7800x vs i7 8700K, the 8700K takes the prize in every category.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7800X/3937vsm304816
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
You must be reading in my mind I was just going to do that.

But with that comparison comes an asterix*.....

HEDT platform is and was always better than mainstream.

To make this very much simpler: 4 GHz of a HEDT CPU is as fast as 5 GHz of a mainstream CPU
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
I didn't look at a breakdown to see exactly how many instructions per clock cycle these CPUs can process. That would be a better indicator of speed/performance.

The asterix only means that the 8700K has been superseded by the 9700K, it is either better or maybe it has replaced the 8700K and the 8700K was dropped from production?
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Unfortunatly, that example is wayyyyy too much simple.

The HEDT being supreme comes from - now hold on to your hat - a combination of:

more cache, more PCI lines, more CPU cores, higher CPU clock speed (back in the day), quad memory channel (not dual 2 x Y RAM but 4 x Z RAM), newer RAM (during socket entry on the market), higher frequency of RAM (cause they work better with CPU), no need for intergral GFX in CPU, better voltage,power calibration, cooldown, more TDP of CPU and so on. I probably forgot some of that
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Yep, it's better, but is it worth the price compared to the other CPUs?
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
That's a great question asked for ages.

But hard to answer cause there are not many people with HEDT platform so they can willingly participate in combining its perofrmance with millions of mainstream users.

I would say that about 5 and more years ago the HEDT platform was more superb. But later as Intel guessed how to make cash off people by producing new chipsets, new mobos, new sockets with each gen only +5% to the previous one in mainstream now we have a situration that the mainstream is such pumped up with CPUs and MOBOS that I think now better then ever mainstream has the best PERFORMANCE To PRICE ratio over HEDT platform.

But If you have thousaands of USD for the best Intel CPU in the world You will find it in the HEDT platform and its latest socket.
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Have you tried going to PCpartpicker .com? They have a forum there with many more experienced experts that know way more than I do about the various CPUs, motherboards and chipsets. They will have more in-depth knowledge of a good combination of hardware for the amount that you have to spend.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
I honestly didnt see any of that.

Let's pause. for now

We will resume dude :) Thanks :)
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
I report ready for action ;)

Do You know of any other FORUMs aside from that what You pointed that would quickly give me an answer and have huge amount of experts and knowledge?

BTW There's a problem telling people form the US how much money I have to spend because of tax(es) differences.

Maybe I can do it by going around and calculate it to USD by using a smartass method I just invented:

Samsung TOP phones are meant to cost the same in every country on the Planet or at least in the US and Europe right?

If You tell me the standard launching price of Samsung Galaxy Note9 with no % OFF from SALE or this kind of stuff I can easily give the number.

I think You gave in some states a sales tax. But do You have in the whole US a tax named VAT - Value Added Tax?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Toms Hardware is another tech site that has a forum.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Is it the best US Forum for IT/PC in Your opinion?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
There really isn't a "best forum". There are a lot of good ones, it really depends on what kind of things you want to ask/know.

I suggest take the time to search for PC forums and try several of them out and see for yourself which one you think fits your needs.

You will certainly make more progress that way than you will by continuing to post here.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
That's true but talking here with You BELIEVE IT OR NOT - I gain valuable info indirectly connected to my problem for example. But I do benefit from our talk. So please don't stop ok?

BTW I have a hundred things doing at once I get crazy. Thats why I didnt sign up for any forum yet.
[Off-topic] Moscow Desire:
Some advice needed

Ok, let's open a can full of worms here (personally I like worms as long as they wrapped in bacon)

My Sony Tab Z2 suffers a shattered display, so I took my Acer 701 out of retirement. Like going back to the dark ages, but it will do for my work. I always said if I ever buy a Tab again, it will have a Windows OS (yeah, I'll get lambasted here, but at least it won't be Apple OS)

So the choice remains, do I get a Tab like the Acer Switch 5? Or do I go for a full lappy like the Acer Predator or Helios 300?

The less expensive will be the Switch 5. It comes with an Intel i7 dual core but the graphics part really sux.

The lappy I can get with an i7 quad core and a 1050 or 1060 Nvidia graphics. They are gaming laptops. I'm not a hard core gamer, however I do like to dabble in them a little, and don't rule out games like DooM for the near future (I was weaned on DooM, Quake, Network Quake and Duke Nukem)

With the tab, I have portability with little mainstream gaming, with the lappy I have great specs but heavy weight to lug around.

Suggestions? Buying both is not an option. :laugh:

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The US does not participate in VAT, and never has. Although it has been discussed before, they still remain with the State and Federal Tax system. Some folks will say "Hey Moscow! You're full of bacon! The US doesn't charge federal tax on purchases!"

Why you couldn't be more incorrect if your neighbors wife's life depended on it. :eek:

The Government charges a Federal Tax on items like: Petrol, Alcohol, tobacco, Guns and ammunition, legalized prostitution, air travel, just to name a few.

I do hear rumors that out of country purchasers can apply for a refund of State Tax (maybe Federal as well) at the international airports before leaving country, but not sure if that's really true. I would suppose you must have your original receipts just as you would getting a VAT refund at European airports.
[Off-topic] karandpr:
For laptops I would recommend going for portability + SSD.

If the switch 5 has both , then go for it. Look into Lenova Yoga or the HP Envy series too.

Gaming laptops are heavy, generate lot of heat, and the processors are still 15W.

Though get one of those 8th generation Intel processors.
[Off-topic] Moscow Desire:
Thanks Mate. Only problem with the switch is it uses integrated Intel Graphics which rules out any mainstream games.

No games or lugging laptop. Guess that's what it boils down to.

Did XDA finally remove the "Thanks" option to do away with folks farming for thanks?
[Off-topic] karandpr:
Is there any option with Ryzen APUs ? I recently got a Ryzen and it has decent graphics performance.

You should get a decent Ryzen Laptop and then buy an SSD to run the OS.

Thanks is disabled in OT sections. Though I wouldn't miss it sitewide :silly: :victory:
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Wow, thanks bro.

You're probably the first person trying to explain the tax system in the US not only on XDA.

Huge thanks and congrats for picking up that so non-popular tax topic.

However I don't understand it, if You can direct me to a site or say it simpler... but that's not a priority. I'm too stupid anyway (no irony/no sarcasm) and my English is bad.
[Off-topic] replica9000:
I have a ThinkPad 14". It has hybrid graphics. Not really a gaming laptop, but better than just Intel GPU. Uses Nvidia when gaming, Intel when doing basic things.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Hello XDA Experts!

A laptop to browse the internet with Opera and 20 Tabs open + another browser opened with Youtube full screen at FullHD resolution video playing should in Your opinion have at least:

- 8 GB RAM;

- what else?

BTW Is it worth going for 8gen laptops that have M.2 NVMe SSDs? But that's rather another topic. In this one I would like to know what specs should have a lowed priced laptop to do the things I've mentioned above
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
8GB should be plenty unless you're doing some video editing or hardcore gaming with other things running while you game. Go for 12GB or 16GB and you'll never have a problem.

As for the m.2 ssd, which generarion are you talking about? ×2, x4, x8......? You won't see much real world difference between m.2 x2 and a normal ssd. x4 is a little better but not much and x8 or higher is like lightning. M.2 and PCIE3 ssd are the wave of the future though. SATA drives will become obsolete within the next 5-10 years, it won't be long and DDR3 will also pass away. SATA vs m.2/PCIE3 ssd is fast becoming like IDE vs SATA.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
8 GB plenty? it's just enough. 4 GB is not acceptable.

I was talking about Intel processor generation and for SSD drive it would be a dream to have a M.2 PICEex 3.0 x4 NVMe 1.3 Samsung 970 but is it possible? how may I check it before purchase?

Where did You found out about that "M.2 and PCIE3 ssd are the wave of the future though. SATA drives will become obsolete within the next 5-10 years, it won't be long and DDR3 will also pass away. SATA vs m.2/PCIE3 ssd is fast becoming like IDE vs SATA."?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
When I said "what generation", I was talking about m.2 and PCIE3, they are labeled by generation also, not just Intel processors. M.2 are also called NGFF(Next Generation Form Factor). Booting an OS from m.2/PCIE can get tricky sometimes, depending on whether the BIOS supports m.2/PCIE3 as storage or if it supports it as a bootable drive. Most modern BIOS supports using m.2/PCIE3 but not all support booting from m.2/PCIE3.

If you want fast, go for a m.2/PCIE3 x8, I would just as well use a SATA3 ssd as I would a m.2 x4. You won't see a noticable difference in usage. You won't see a significant improvement unless you go for x8.

There is nothing specific that you can read that explains how its the wave of the future, it just is. As new hardware improvements and standards become better, the older stuff fades away, it's just a fact. The m.2 technology is becoming mature enough to be a permanent replacement for SATA3. With DDR4 and DDR5 in existence, DDR3 systems will be dropped from production, it's just a matter of time.

For reasons I don't care to explain, the larger SATA3 ssd(500GB or larger) are somewhat equal to the smaller M.2 x2 and x4 ssd(250GB or smaller), typically, the larger the ssd, the better it performs in most cases. You won't see a real difference in real world usage, on paper, they are supposed to be faster, but in the real world, you can't see it.

My system supports m.2 natively as it has a M.2 slot on the board but I haven't installed one and I won't unless it is x8, other systems have to use a PCIE with the m.2 inserted in a slot on the PCIE.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Awesome knowledge dude! Thanks

1. Is your system a desktop PC or laptop? What is it specs?

2. You said unless it's x8 but motherboard has to have x8 or m.2 NVMe drive has to be x8?

3. How did you guessed that only x8 would be noticeable?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
1)Desktop (but I also have a Dell laptop with 2.4ghz(3.5ghz turbo) i7 hyperthreaded 4(8) core cpu, 16GB 1600mhz RAM and a 1TB SSHD hybrid drive)

AsRock Z97 Extreme 4

i7-4790K@4.7ghz overclock(CoolerMaster Hyper Evo 212 CPU cooler)

GSkill RipjawsX 32GB DDR3 1866mhz(overclocked)

EVGA Geforce GTX 1050ti SSC(overclocked)

EVGA Supernova 750w power supply

2) I was saying that my motherboard has a built-in M.2 slot but I wouldn't install a M.2 unless it is a M.2 x8 ssd. Yes, the motherboard must support M.2 x8 or it will default to x2 or x4(whichever is higher that your motherboard/BIOS supports), kinda the same as using RAM that is faster than your motherboard can support, it uses the RAM, but it clocks the speed back to the highest that it can support instead.

3) I didn't guess that x2 or x4 would not be noticeable and that x8 would be noticeable, that is the way it actually is. I can compare this to a RAM example also, if you have 1600mhz RAM and you upgrade to 2133mhz, it will be "faster" but you won't notice a difference, but if you jump from 1600mhz to 3200mhz, then you would start to see "some" difference but not really enough to make your system considerably faster than it was.

M.2 x4 or x8 is what I suggest, anything less than that would be a waste, less than gen3 x4 would get you about the same performance as using a normal ssd. Again, x4 isn't much better than a SATA3 ssd, it wouldn't be worth it unless you're doing some labor intensive tasks that take hours and hours to finish, only then would it really be faster or save time. For small tasks and normal usage, it won't make enough difference to matter.

There are many sources that discuss the hardware specs and differences between these drive types and how it relates to real world usage.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Dude, judging just from your balanced and quality wise desktop config I can tell that I am dealing with an expert!

Do You think that 8x pCIE is avaliable? in Z390 for examlpe? I cant tell for sure that's why I am asking You. Please dont be mad.

And Thanks for explaining me that things

Now all laptops have no openings for hard disk drive easy removal or RAM easy removal.

Are there any laptops/Brands left with SSD opening at least?

Which laptop brand to go for?

Is my rop 3 laptop brands ok with you? : 1. Dell. 2. Lenovo. 3. Asus?

But despite that please advice me with the brand
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
I would choose a Lenovo or ASUS laptop because they are more customizable/upgradeable than the OEMs like Dell, HP and Acer, especially when it comes to upgrading CPU at some point(but "some" of the Dell, HP and Acer systems can iograde CPU also), that makes it easier to upgrade later, if needed.

MSI also has customizable/upgradeable laptops.

There are some websites that offer barebones laptops with whatever CPU, RAM, screen size/type and storage you want. If performance matters to you, that is a better option than trying to choose between different pre-built OEM laptops looking for the specs you want.

As for what has x8 compatibility for Z390, that depends on the motherboard itself and the BIOS.

I'm not as knowledgeable about laptops as I am desktop.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Thanks again dude, you're absolutley perfect!

Can You give me the links to such sites with custom notebooks?
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
Here for MSI laptops:

https://us.msi.com/Laptops

These are kinda high-end, but it's an option:

https://www.sagernotebook.com/home.php

Dell Alienware laptops are also decent and customizable if you want to check them out.

Lenovo offers custom laptops also, but they don't have a site specifically dedicated to customizing their laptop models, but you can go to the Lenovo website and find your options.

There are other custom laptop providers but they are over-priced for the typical user.

Just remember, laptops are notorious for having cooling issues, the faster the CPU and the more mhz and GB of RAM of you have and the faster the GPU, the more heat is created in that small laptop body, also, they require a charger with more wattage(I had to upgrade from a 65W charger to a 135W charger) and they also have lower battery life because they consume more power. That's why I know and do more with desktops than I do with laptops.
[Off-topic] androidbadboy:
Thanks You again bro, but are these links good if I have only 530 USD to spend? I don't play games on laptop.
[Off-topic] Droidriven:
If the amount of money you can spend is limited, that pretty much makes it pointless to be picky about performance because the amount of money you can spend limits your options. If all you have is $530 USD, you arent going to get a superfast laptop. Even if you custom built a laptop for $530 USD, you won't have anything better than a Dell or HP pre-built system. What I would consider a "good" laptop would cost $1000 USD or more. Your budget pretty much limits you to a basic laptop with average specs.