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[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Just go buy the SGS 3 I promise you will be so much happier... go sell your A2 on Ebay for 200 while you still can (before the next atrix HD is out), and put that toward an SGS 3 off contract....

It will stick to moto, by not buying another phone from them, and make you much happier... I promise the SGS 3 is not like anyother Galaxy yet. It it sturdy and does not feel cheap, and I am getting about 20 hours of heavy use on the battery before a charge. I am putting it on the charger every night at bedtime, and it still has about 35-40% left on it... so...
[Motorola Atrix 2] MagicXB:
I have always gotten a feeling of cheaply made hardware from Samsung, though (including the Galaxy S3 as I played with one in-depth at an AT&T store recently). Also, my full upgrade eligibility date is around the end of September which isn't all that far off...plus if I upgrade through Best Buy Mobile before the end of the year they'll give me a $50 gift card on the spot for doing so (they had a promo earlier in the year that you could sign up for).
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
I have always thought the same thing about Samsung Galaxy hardware, but this is the first one that I have not thought that about, and it is really a HUGE step forward for hardware in a phone. It has LTE, NFC, HD display a dual core 1.5 GHZ CPU that can overclock stable to 1.9 GHZ, and it is butter smooth even with out JB on it... so when JB comes with CM 10, it will be just crazy!!! And the Dev support is nothing short of amazing, and it has only been in peoples hands a little less than a month.

Just like with the A2 I can't say enough good things about it. Don't discount it, I promise it will not disappoint, and it does not have ANYTHING locked down.

When you come up for your upgrade in sept. think about it, and give it a shot.
[Motorola Atrix 2] seedoubleyou:
it actually reminds me of the crap M$ pulled with the Zune...

Yes, I bought a Gen2 Zune back then because I am anti-Apple...before Android was a thing... and M$ pushed it aside and made the Zune HD, with little to no support or upgrades on the original two generations and their loyal buyers.

OOPS, WE SCREWED THAT ONE UP, LETS START OVER. You just know behind the scenes there are ****ty programmers and even ****tier managers making poor decisions.

If I had the money, the Nexus would be my choice, but I have kids to feed.
[Motorola Atrix 2] MagicXB:
Hmm...we'll see. At $199 though, I can't pull the trigger.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
GO to best buy, and trade the A2 in toward the SGS 3, and use the $50 credit, and you might have to pay 50 bucks... heck I traded my inspire in at BB and I only payed 99 for it, and they gave me 100 for it, and gave me a $50 gift card, so I got the phone for free plus a case and a 32GB SDcard all with out having to pay 1 dollar for the A2....

Just something to think about.
[Motorola Atrix 2] JRW 28:
If this phone is locked down to AT&T like our A2 was it will be another epic fail for MOTO!!! Funny how Samsung doesn't bow down to AT&T but MOTO caters to their every whelm. Which goes back to the finger pointing, MOTO says it's up to the carriers and the carriers say it's up to the manufacturer.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Apex:
I want the SG3... something fierce. I've tried to sell my girlfriend's A2 on eBay and Craig's List -to no avail. She upgraded to it from the first A4G, but doesn't care either way about it. To her, its a phone, and just a phone! Listed at about the sane price as would be the $199.00 new two year contract price.

Question: I see this "feedback" deal here on XDA on my profile and others. So, is that for 1) people selling old or unused devices, and 2) would there be audience here that would prove to have more interested parties to buy other than eBay or Craigslist?
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Go to Best buy and get the $50, gift certificate, and do the phone buy back, they should give you 100-150 as a buy back for the A2 even if Craigslist and ebay don't get you a sale.

Just something to go try!

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It will be business as usual for moto... heck, they just re-locked the bootloader on the OG Atrix with the last updated... so...

I would assume the worst here.
[Motorola Atrix 2] MagicXB:
You can trade in mobile phones for gift cards at Best Buy...you could trade in the Atrix 2 for $150 in good condition - I just checked. :P
[Motorola Atrix 2] br0adband:
That's $150 for basically a mint-condition Atrix 2 without a single blemish or nick on the surface/body of the phone anywhere, with the original box, original paperwork, USB charger and cable, etc... now, while a lot of folks keep all that stuff around, not everyone does. I got my Atrix 2 from a pawn shop and while it's in great shape (just a tiny nick on the back side where the plastic surrounding the camera lens is), I don't have any of the other contents so I'd be looking at $50-90 tops, sadly.

Can sell it on craigslist for $125 cash in a few hours more than likely... been considering it based on a) the infamous locked bootloader fiasco and b) AT&T taking their sweet freakin' time with ICS even if Motorola has it ready to go (they probably do at this point, who knows).

I hate companies that make great products then do something stupid with them like the bootloader crap. Sony, ruined years ago. Motorola, getting worse by the day. And don't even get me started on Apple. :D
[Motorola Atrix 2] big ach:
I sense that the battery is going to really suck on that new atrix hd.... think about it, the battery is approximately 1700 Mah (like our atrix 2) with a bigger screen, higher resolution and Lte , hopefully the snapdragon wont be a drainer but its still clocked higher than the current atrix 2....

its gonna be problematic like the droid razr...

Go for the Razr Maxx or the upcoming Razr Hd that's the one I'm gonna go for, switching to Verizon when that comes out!

Sent from my Motorola Atrix 2 with AT&T 4G
[Motorola Atrix 2] MagicXB:
Luckily all of my phones are kept in mint condition with the box and stuff. ;)
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
That is not totally true... I sold back my inspire 4G to BB when I got the A2, and they gave me 100 gift car for it, and I only paid 99 for it new... and I did not have the box the usb cable or the charger... it was just the phone, heck I even had CM9 rooted and running on it... they told me they did not care, and they even waited while I wiped my data off the phone. They are just going to recycle it, and re-sell it to you as a refurb, or use it as a replacement for thier BB "geak squad" protection.
[Motorola Atrix 2] br0adband:
Might have to look into that with my own Atrix 2 then, but I think in the long run I'd still rather have cold hard cash in the hand than some damned gift certificate/card, especially at Worst Buy. Sorry, had to say it as I've dealt with their crap over the years and still do whenever someone brings me a laptop to fix/optimize/repair and the first words from the client are "I took it to Geek Squad and..." or I spot the stupid little pink sticker on the bottom that confirms yes they did get it hosed/looked over at some Best Buy location. :D

I'm really disappointed in Motorola at this point. The Atrix 2 is one very nice piece of hardware start to finish, but it's hamstrung by these stupid restrictions. It's more than capable of running Jelly Bean even in spite of missing a few features (no NFC, no "recommended" quad core CPU, etc) but we'll never ever see it and the phone is barely 9 months old.

Seems like the "cycle of obsolescence" is just increased, like Moore's Law I suppose. A few years ago you could count on a solid up within a given period of time (and 9 months to get ICS is ridiculous, period, it just is any way you slice it) and now it looks like companies are literally taking the track of producing somewhat high-end smartphone hardware and 6 months later it's effectively given the heave ho and dismissed for the next big thing.

This is a really sad way of doing things and making the "disposable society" that much worse, every minute that passes. :(
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Yeah I gotta say BB is worst buy... they really do suck... The only reason I got my A2 from them was the trade in, I hated the Inspire and had to get rid of it and I could not give it away and AT&T does not buy back, so... they really are the only game if you intend to trade your old phone back in for a new one.

And the customer service at BB is absolute crap. I fried my A2s bootloader 31 days of owning it, and BB threw the 30 day policy at me... I went literally across the street to the AT&T corp store and walked out with a replacement phone.

But again if you want to trade the A2 for any other phone go to BB and get the 100-150 bucks for it, before it drops lower.
[Motorola Atrix 2] br0adband:
If I had the money (and the good credit) I'd be all over a Galaxy Note right now but, that's a wish that'll never come true so... ;)

Ain't nothing at Best Buy I want to be honest, the Wife still wants a Nook Color/Tablet but, it's just slightly out of our price range for the present/foreseeable future, still on the wish list (but that might actually be doable).

But I can honestly say I'll never directly purchased another Motorola phone unless it's a) branded as a Google Nexus product and b) it has an unlocked bootloader or can be unlocked as easily as "fastboot oem unlock" - I'm just not going to compromise from now on.

Honestly I think a lot of people are moving towards only Nexus-branded hardware. I had a Nexus S recently for a short period of time and it was a blast to own, great piece of hardware and now I find myself wishing I still had it in some respects more than this Atrix 2.

Atrix 2 with Jelly Bean native... that would be a great piece of hardware to own, wouldn't it? It's a crying shame, really.
[Motorola Atrix 2] NAB4:
This is the truth. These are my sentiments exactly. I really hope Google lets Moto do the next Nexus...
[Motorola Atrix 2] malickie:
Honestly if I had my choice I would go get the International Version of the SGSIII. I could care less about LTE. I would quite prefer the Quad-Core chipset over the Downgraded SGSIII AT&T got because the stupid LTE is yet to be compatible with any of the Quad-Core chipsets. Same thing happened with the HTC One X if I recall hearing correctly but I HATE that HTC made that phone without the ability to expand it's memory.
[Motorola Atrix 2] mtnlion:
Not true. When I pickedup my wifes s3 at the att corporate store they have a sign advertising buyback thesales rep ran my serial# and told me att would give me $120 for my a2 AND he would give me an extra $100 off the off contract price so $220 altogether. after playing with with my wifes I believe im going to switch over.

Ps. Jim I'm still watching for your kernel over in the s3 forum. Have you released it and I've overlooked it?

Motorola lied and I'm still locked mb865
[Motorola Atrix 2] Tim-7967:
I love my Atrix 2... but if I don't get a bootloader unlock by the end of this year I will find another phone and never look back.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Nope, it is now part of the aosp kernel oc to 1.9... the cm9 nightlies for the att sgs3 are up as of this morning.. I am now helping out in the official cyanogen coding... tonight the actual RIL will be put into the nightlies, so a 99% functional CM9. I have been running it all day.
[Motorola Atrix 2] prasannapmv:
Has samsung updated s3 to jellybean??

Sent from my MB865
[Motorola Atrix 2] mtnlion:
Samsung directly? No. there are a couple of Ports floating around.

Motorola lied and I'm still locked mb865
[Motorola Atrix 2] TheZeroDay:
This makes me so mad that Motorola doesn't release ICS for current phones, but then develops a new phone with it and doesn't update the older ones.
[Motorola Atrix 2] :
It's all the phone manufacturers and the carriers. It's not just Motorola. This is my fourth Android phone and i have went through this with each one. The longer we have to wait, the better it will be in the long run. Less bugs to iron out.
[Motorola Atrix 2] big ach:
See, just as I said....

Battery is not good on the Atrix HD

http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/motorola-atrix-hd-titanium/4505-6452_7-35371507.html
[Motorola Atrix 2] jakzel:
Honestly. if I didn't use webtop I probably wouldn't have an Atrix 2.

That said, I like the phone, can't wait for ICS... should be out now...
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] vulcZ:
Temporarily using a Blackberry 9650 while I decide which phone I want to buy. Had the EVO LTE for a few weeks last month and I enjoyed it, but did notice a couple of glaring performance issues mainly when heavily multi-tasking. I'm going to walk into the Sprint store today and have some hands-on with the GS3 to see if I can replicate these kinds of problems on it also (seeing as they run the same SoC).

So what made you pick one over the other? The main reason I'm leaning toward the GS3 now is because of the 2gb of RAM, which makes it seem a little more future proof. The EVO LTE looks and feels better, and also has a better camera (although I really don't like HTC's camera software). The screens are both great. Another thing that really worries me about the GS3 is radio/GPS issues. The EVO LTE was great in this department, and historically this hasn't been Samsung's strongpoint, so if anyone who has the phone and would like to chime in please feel free!

Sorry if this gets asked a lot, and I know that "just try them both and pick whichever you prefer" seems best for most, but I'm the type of person that also likes to get opinions from other techies, just in case there's something I'm overlooking :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Ascertion:
I heard the EVO has a "reboot problem" in the OS, causing it to randomly reboot often. As far as hardware goes, the EVO might just have the upper hand (I'm speaking mostly due to camera).
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] The Root:
What contributes to the opinion that the camera is better on the EVO? I feel quite the opposite. I hear the new Sense is like dropping anchor at full speed. I also bow to the mighty God Odin, fixer of bootloops restorer of stock roms. I like the Gorilla Glass, not sure if EVO has been upgraded to that. Samsung does take forever with updates (though we've had 2 already) but they don't release crap updates. Either HTC has some whiny fans or their updates aren't really top-notch. Samsung phones tend to feel more organic in shape in my hand. I find it to be the difference between driving and older honda versus an old volvo. Some people love boxy. I also feel like Samsung is headed in the right direction. After HTC lost the Nexus they seemed to lose their steam. At thsi point Apple is looking desperate against the momentum of Samsung. Makes me feel like I'm backing a strong horse.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Iphony89:
I personally just think I've seen it all with sense, one of my major reasons was that I had a galaxy note before the evo lte and I got use to the feeling of big phones, I found the evo to be a bit too narrow, the s3 is slightly wider. Also multi tasking was kinda horrible on the evo lte. With that being said I didn't root the evo because I had the intention of returning it for the s3 from day one, so maybe i would've enjoyed it more if it was rooted
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] punzada:
2GB RAM, removable battery, removable/additional storage through MicroSD (up to 64GB).

I can't speak for everyone but here on Long Island those issues haven't existed or manifested themselves. Cell radio is fine, 3G coverage is the same as not better then my previous phone (Original Galaxy, Epic 4G) and GPS has been super quick to lock (after the hassle that was the Epic in terms of GPS it's like night and day, and I use GPS for my work every day at least 3 times a day).

Also I haven't played enough with the new Sense but the new version of Touchwiz overall is full of good customization and doesn't seem to be too annoying (out of the box it can be, but you can adjust most of it away).

Overall it's hard to find too much fault, some people find issues with AMOLED screens, and while the 'haze' was noticeable on my Epic up close, the GS3 has such a high PPI that I don't notice it.

Few things that turned me off of the EVO LTE: No removable storage, No swappable battery (GS3 does actually get very good battery life but I'm a power-user by habit and always like to have a quick-swap spare available) and that EpicCM team wasn't a part of the community :) (I'm sure the EVO has wonderful dev's as well, a buddy of mine does dev for it with the at&t version, but after following the CM7->CM9 progress on the Epic, as well as all the rest of the Sprint/Samsung dev community, I'm happy to stick with it).
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] vulcZ:
Well the HTC One X camera uses a BSI sensor and f/2.0 lens. What it translates to in real-world usage is anyone's guess, but on paper the camera is supposed to be better.

The EVO LTE also has a MicroSD slot :), but you're right, now removable battery. Although personally that was never really a negative since it was ample size (2000mah).
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] punzada:
Oh, apparently I was wrong about that, is it the one x that doesn't? maybe I'm going crazy :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] saccityp:
The only thing that I can say that I didn't like about the evo was: the non removable battery, lack of multitasking. But I do miss the screen and that awesome camera button.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] boogief1:
I had the evo lte and loved it but the only thing tgat annoyed me was the weak antenna it woukd always drop dignal and also the evo lte has better cam than sg3 and also evo lte feels more sturdy the sg3 is a goid phone also pretty fast and good multy tasking i dont mind the non removable vattery on evo lte but both great phones also negative about sg3 ut feels very plasticky

Im on my SG3
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] whatsitsnamenow:
SG3:

Good:

easy to root, install rom

removable battery

universal accessories (all versions including international can use same accessories)

very good loudspeaker

Bad:

battery drains quick compare to the Evo Lte

it does not feel like solid phone (like it can break easily)

slow charging (as with most Samsung)

Evo LTE:

Good:

Excellent battery life

Excellent fit and finish

Phone feels solid

kickstand

camera

music player with soundhound integration

fast charging (as with most HTC phones)

Bad:

non removable battery (my biggest complaint) I stream sports videos a lot so I go through batteries like crazy

dialer cannot send text, have to use messaging app separately

when you click on a phone number from a link or text you are forced to use the phone/dial pad instead of the messaging app (very annoying) I think it is Apple lawsuit related

no quick toggles from drop down menu

loudspeaker volume is too low
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] vulcZ:
Man, I was heavily leaning towards the GS3 until today. I went to the Sprint store on my lunch break and played with both phones extensively, and in the end the GS3 suffered from the same performance issues the LTEVO did, so I'm guessing it's maybe related to ICS? To be more specific, I'm picky. I like having a phone that switches from task to task very quickly (I felt my Epic 4G Touch did that very well). So for example, if I'm on the app store downloading app after app, the phones will begin to slow a little during installs if I switching from screen to screen. I thought at first it was maybe the LTEVO, but I was able to replicate that behavior on the GS3 also, so it's safe to say that the 2gb of RAM isn't really needed, or is at least not helping any of the "real world" tests I tried.

Also, the camera on the LTEVO is quite a bit better. It was both faster, and offered better quality shots more consistently. HTC's camera software absolutely sucks, but I think the camera unit is better. I tested the macro settings and they were significantly better on the LTEVO. Basically, I could focus on things closer to the lens compared to the GS3.

So I think I'm going to pick the LTEVO again. I don't want anyone to think that I'm bashing the GS3. In all honesty either of those phones are an absolute great choice since they are extremely similar where it counts, and really only different in the personal preference areas (such as look, build, removable battery, etc). Performance is just about the same on both phones. I hope this thread was as helpful to someone else as it was to me :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] PoorCollegeGuy:
For the EVO LTE bad list, you sound like you're nitpicking for a longer list. How many people send texts through the dialer? The HTCLinkify thing can be removed (so the click on a phone number thing is fixable), the EVO LTE has a button in the notification to get into settings (not as good as toggles, but not as bad as "nothing"). the loud speaker being too low is arbitrary.

You also left out some cons for the SGS3. There's a LOT of proprietary software that isn't very good (sounds like Sense doesn't it?), S-Voice is a gimmick.

There's just as many Sense haters as there are Touchwiz haters...it all comes down to preference. I'm going for the LTE because it's many of the same developers who's softwares I've been using since the OG EVO. Can't beat that pedigree. For most people, though, it's a question of would they rather be bloated down by Touchwiz and have a blue phone or be bloated down by HTC Sense and have a black phone with a kickstand. Otherwise, the specs are too identical to even consider voting one way or the other.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] PatrickHuey:
I was in love with the new evo, and when I saw my employee pricing through best buy for the gs3 I fell in love with it more ahaha. Some doof in corporate marked it 350 off contract so I traded in my 3d and it payed for it. But after playing with my friends evo, I realized that I liked my phone better. Touchwiz 5 is great IMO and I was ready to try something other than a HTC phone.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] gtuansdiamm:
Yes Odin is awesome

I completely agree
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Poetik:
I owned both and I really wanted to like the evo lte over the s3. I really liked the screen of the evo lte, kickstand, build quality, the dedicated camera button, it was black, and the overall look of it was very cool. It's a shame that the way the multitasking worked on it was really retarded (not sure if this could be fixed by a software update or custom rom). Not only that but the lack of a replaceable battery is really a killer too.

I guess the s3 won me over because of the replaceable battery, the crazy development that will be going on for it, the fact that multitasking didn't have to reload every single time I changed back to a program, and how I could keep programs in my memory to make them smoother (2gb).
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] Success100:
there are already a ton of gs3 vs evolte threads bro
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy S III] iTbagdUrMac:
Exactly my experience and thoughts. +1