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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] macdroid01:
That is an EXCELLENT point.

Someone mention that next time they talk to Verizon customer service.

I forgot to mention that. Although I did tell them this will result in more returned bricks not less, and it doesn't make sense anyway now that most are on tiered data, etc. in other words I tried to emphasize that it will end up costing them money by doing this mistake.

This is also a good point. Of course I recommend phrasing it politely when dealing with VZW on phone. (I know you will, just re-iterating it to add emphasis)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] grin0048:
The problem (at least with from what I understand) is finding a way to test keys quickly...I'm not sure how that would be done.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] juntistik:
Very good question, I have multiple devices that I could donate my idle processing time from
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] rothnic:
That is the primary limit, plus computationally:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] grin0048:
lol, well we better get started then!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] engelba:
Looks like I answered by own question... there is a thread over on Driodforums.net discussing this very thing....

Doesn't look good....

Oh, well..... In addition to not being able to use a phone I own on any carrier I want (e.g. my now retired Incredible), I can no longer run the software I want on it. How is this better than Apple? (sorry for the off topic rant).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] CrimsinX:
My GF works at Verizon in customer service. I don't imagine she gets too many happy people coming in just to say they are happy...must be tough actually.

But she just confirmed they have their entire shipment S3s, but they can't sell them until the 12th. What is the point of that! Dammit, I want it now!

Staying on topic, she is asking a personal favor from the head tech guy to see if he will take cash to unlock the bootloader. Long shot, but have to try!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Droosh:
This might be a good use of that new tech of linked servers that Google announced at I/O this year.

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His title is head tech for a reason. I hope she doesn't offer him that on your account.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] twilight2ner:
Wouldn't he technically get the $1300 bounty? ha
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
Let's start a donation fund for this guy! :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neyenlives:
Pocket change for a career as head tech at VZW. I hope she doesn't actually go through with it. She could easily lose her job if he wanted to report it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] antp121:
Not if she puts on the moves

;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] zanktank:
My guess is the bounty would have to exceed 10K for the head tech to even begin to be tempted.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] juntistik:
I think a few people missed the gold in your post,:good:

So, with VZW blaming Samsung on Twitter, and Samsung claiming it was VZW, clearly VZW should just call it even and give us a tool or the key.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neyenlives:
My good job can get me all the moves I want. No moves are worth risking a job over. Having a job is beast!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] mybook4:
I also heard from a vzw store that the launch is now the 12th. Also, in keeping with topic, she also explained that the gs3 will be getting an update very shortly. She didn't tell me more than that, but I hope it doesn't mess with our bootloader work around (custom kernel through the recovery partition). We may all need to be aware of any updates.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tysdad08:
Over on droidlife.com looks like Verizon is saying they had it locked because unlocked phones kill baby seals and makes the word get hotter and........
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] con247:
Why not do this:

It requires biting a bullet but could be solved quickly.

Flash your custom boot to the recovery partition. Yes, the part about biting the bullet would be requiring pressing keys to boot the phone "normally" into android. So have the boot image sleep for like 5 seconds. If you then press the home key, it boots the recovery ramdisk. If you just let it sit for 5 seconds, it boots "normally" off the custom boot image.

Basically you ignore the real boot partition completely.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] bbeelzebub:
I know something was asked similarly before, but I don't recall any type of answer.

Will the US Cellular GS3 offer any insight as to how to get around the locked BL situation on Verizon? They run on the same exact bands and US Cellular roams on Verizon's 3G network.

Could the phones have more in common than we think?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] davisbs999:
Dude, you were the guy in school who sat in the front row and eagerly raised your hand everytime the teacher asked a question, huh?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] cmg5461:
FWIW: I have 20 TFlops of GPU power if it's useful in the application of decrypting the bootloader..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jarnow94:
I don't think GPU strength has anything to do with decryption, but if you had an equally powerful CPU, on the other hand...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] AdamLange:
It has, read teh internetz.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neh4pres:
I think the recent info on brute force on a encryption is anything short of a quantum computer would be worthless
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] LLStarks:
I have 144 CUDA cores on my GPU.

I can use them for computing.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] connexion2005:
Does anyone have an SGS III VZW model RIGHT NOW that they can overnight to me for my tests? I have a few testers in line but nobody that has one in hand yet.

Please advise if so...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] papi92:
I have one in hand ill test but i wont ship my device out. Pm me for gtalk
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] connexion2005:
There are no tests you can do in hand for me. My initial work will be done at a low level connection and require the device in hand.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jarnow94:
Really? I guess you learn something new every day lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jgrimberg1979:
That is not accurate, gpu has a lot to do with decryption
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jarnow94:
That's why I commented saying I didn't know that...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NedDasty:
Guys,

A brute force attack on the encryption is out of the question. I think you are just not understanding the computing power required to brute force 256-bit AES. Stop imagining that we could get even close. Even if we combined all of the computing power on Earth from every single supercomputer, GPU, and CPU, and sped everything up by a factor of one billion, it would still take far, far longer than the current age of the Universe.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] juntistik:
I see that you are in Texas. I know this is a long shot, but if you are in the DFW metroplex, PM me. I will have my phone in an hour or so and I would be willing to meet with you and let you test with my phone. Cant promise that I'll be willing to completely give it up though, going out of town in a couple days and I want it for the trip.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] CrimsinX:
+1!

I think our time would be better spent getting the devices to the people with the expertise to fix the problem. My opinion only...but my device is getting sent out as soon as I walk out of the store Thursday to connexion to do as he pleases with it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NAU420:
Going to need a piece of wire to s-off this phone. Just like the Rezound, make the phone boot to safe mode and push the software.. Sh!t I would do the wire thing again to get s-off on this phone. It took a few tries but I did get s-off with Rezound..... Hoping for anything right now. But I do believe that someone is going to get. We'll have to give it time. Look at the Rezound guys, they got it done and that phone has just a few developers behide it. This phone has a sh1t load of support. It will happen and again thank you to all the developers working on this.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NegativeOne:
I'm not familiar with that of which you speak. Are you referring to physically short-circuiting something on the phone board?

Why do people keep bringing up the rezound? HTC has an S-off utility. Just curious...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] connexion2005:
I am in Bryan/College Station which is about 2.5 hours from you. Unfortunately I wouldn't have the time to make the drive this week. I was just in Waco so that would have been perfectly half way (shame). I'm always here should you want to participate...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] juntistik:
Well, I leave for three days for Colorado for a week, if there hasn't been any progress by the time I get back maybe we can meet up over a weekend. Hopefully we have progress by then or someone else on this thread makes true to their statement and sends you a device though.

Wish we could pool funds, similar to the bounty, but to get this phone in the hands of some more devs, "group phones" if you will
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Durthquake:
This is a reply engadget got from Verizon:

Update: Seems that Verizon's still singing the same tune it was back in February, claiming that unauthorized software brought by open bootloaders could harm the overall network user experience:

Verizon Wireless has established a standard of excellence in customer experience with our branded devices and customer service. There is an expectation that if a customer has a question, they can call Verizon Wireless for answers that help them maximize their enjoyment and use of their wireless phone. Depending on the device, an open bootloader could prevent Verizon Wireless from providing the same level of customer experience and support because it would allow users to change the phone or otherwise modify the software and, potentially, negatively impact how the phone connects with the network. The addition of unapproved software could also negatively impact the wireless experience for other customers. It is always a delicate balance for any company to manage the technology choices we make for our branded devices and the requests of a few who may want a different device experience. We always review our technology choices to ensure that we provide the best solution for as many customers as possible.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NAU420:
Unlock bootloader tool yes, HTC does not s-off the phone. We just everything with a unlock bootloader, but had to ADB push what you wanted like kennels. With s-off you don't need to push everything ADB.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] juntistik:
So, we can definitely count out Verizon providing us any kind of tool. Hopefully Samsung leaks something, and if not, more praise to the dev's. When I get back from vacation I will be out of my 14 day window, but considering the device isnt even out yet and we have made tons of progress, I think we will be just fine.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] piiman:
It might work if she is hot and he is a nerd. Heck she might not even need any cash :cyclops:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NAU420:
** we can just adout do everything with a unlock bootloader
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neyenlives:
wait a minute.....didn't the official VZW Twitter account say "don't blame us, Samsung did it"!?

so which is it, did Samsung do it or did Verizon do it? (facetious yes)

so now that Verizon has openly lied and owned up to it and put Samsung out there as the bad guy, Samsung should be just fine with leaking something.....didn't one of the guys from the CM team or one of the most famous developers end up going to work for Samsung last year some time?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Mean Bro Greene:
Fairly certain Cyanogen himself got offered a job at Samsung. Highly doubt that if he took it, he would be willing to risk it, though.

Edit: He did indeed take a position as a Software Engineer last year.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] narsciso:
I can only let my imagination roll with a Samsung employee going under certain protocols to proxy his way to get in touch with a dev and release something. :(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] CrimsinX:
All the better!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neyenlives:
i thought so.....i know he wouldn't....but if it were to get out, it has a better change I suppose.....if there were people sympathetic to the cause.....just thinking outloud....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Mean Bro Greene:
I understand. Part of me likes to think that he would leak something out simply because of where he came from, but the other part of me knows that in his shoes, I would never jeopardize such a great gig.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] CrimsinX:
I bet he is watching at least. Under a fake name and a proxy server I'm sure but nonetheless watching.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neh4pres:
Overlord cyanogen, if you can hear us, give us a sign. Please deliver us from from this great evil. Give us wisdom so that we may shed light upon this darkness.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] segv11:
Perhaps someone could get AdamOutler one of these to take apart:

"I'm sure I could do it and make it reproducible.. but the problem is that I don't have a device or Verizon.﻿"

https://plus.google.com/104711040110222472212/posts/2VbBBWGezLJ
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] 17akota:
So I say by the end of the month we will have JB the way this is going. :)

Got a workaround working pretty well before official launch!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] mike86325:
Someone get this man a phone..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Mindstar1:
Bootloader Confusion

Awesome work guys, you are Android ninjas!

One clarification question, assuming your mission here is a success (and I am confident that will be the outcome), will the phone be as modable as the non-VZW versions?

Keep up the good work!4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Loglud:
Theoretically yes. Once the boot loader has been modded and the boot.img can be changed, the Devs can use a overflash system. One can flash another versions rom, and then take that and apply the kernel and proprietaries from the VZW edition and have any rom they want from the SGSIII on their phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] suzook:
Huh?? While progress has been made, we are very far away from jb.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Mindstar1:
Awesome!

I asked because I currently have a GNex and I am debating about keeping the SGS3 that I preordered, but it all hinges on whether the devs can get behind it. If what you say comes to pass, then it seems like a safe bet to keep it.

Thanks again!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jmcharles:
http://www.androidauthority.com/sam...23/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Does this mean anything for our valiant quest?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Noxious Ninja:
That's just the kernel source code. It is highly unlikely it will help unlock the bootloader.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] youarealwaysthereMD:
Doubt it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tonu42:
Just on a side note, AdamOutler has the money donated from an anonymous person to get this phone to open it up and reverse engineer it as the hardware level. This is very good news for us.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ooofest:
So, does this mean he actually monitors the hardware bootup, all the signals related, etc. and might be able to figure out what is calling what and for which info, so that we can mirror that in custom s/w (for example, a custom boot.img) and the rest of the phone won't be wiser?

- ooofest
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] PGleo86:
Yes! In 3 or 4 days we got farther than the Droid X guys got in the first year, and this only furthers that! Shows what a good dev community can do :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Robster180:
the original guy w/ the lock and custom screen is ready to dump but i don't know how to walk him through ADB, anybody up to see if his is the key?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1754173&page=6
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] invisiblek:
that's what i'm looking into next
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tekhna:
Wow, that "Software not authorized by Verizon Wireless notification is just insidious.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NightxFall:
I think we got a really good dev community going on here, and the fact that its not a Moto bootloader means we'll get this figured out in no time. We already have root, and I'm sure Samsung left us a loophole or didn't lock it down as heavily as Motorolas phones are.

Good luck to all you dev's! I'm getting my phone Monday; will be glad to help with any testing then.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ddggttff3:
have you tried flashing the original unlocked vzw kernel people had issues with at first? how about a kernel from another device (ex sprint model?) because isnt the bootloader in the boot.img file? granted flashing the files is kind of risky.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] AdamLange:
boot.img == kernel not boot loader :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] majmuni:
Please forgive me but i have a question about this phone. Will the phone have a place for a sim card so that we can use it internationally. thanks guys.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] dchurch85:
Yes it has a Micro sim card slot on it. It is currently not open to use on international networks, but that feature should be unlocked in a future software update.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] satadru:
ok here's an idea:

We can boot a customized recovery, so...

boot.img -> recovery partition and boot to recovery.

if normal boot then

modified boot.img -> recovery partition

if this boots then

modify boot.img to call something else on system partition (init2?) and -> recovery partition

move init to init2 on system partition

change init on system partition such that it tells system to boot to recovery.

now normal boot -> recovery boot -> modifed kernel booted.

recovery boot -> modified kernel booted

sure you lose recovery partition here, but you can always either reflash system or modify the boot partition on the recovery to have a backup mode that starts a normal recovery.

(Discussed with JackpotClavin on IRC)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NegativeOne:
isn't that just "2ndinit" like they did for dx?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] JackpotClavin:
not exactly, because the dx can't boot custom kernels
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NegativeOne:
It can't boot custom kernels b/c the bootloader is encrypted, like VZW SGIII. It's the same situation.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tonu42:
Apparently there is a way to sacrifice the recovery partition in favor of a custom one that can boot into android.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Warjcowski:
Take a look at the galaxy tab 2 7.0 dev forum. Sammy had a bootloader overwrite on that which was bypassed
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] JackpotClavin:
Well that's what we're looking into now. The fact that you might be able to use your recovery partition as a boot partition means booting with the recovery key combination pressed will take boot you up normally. All the recovery really happens to be is a ramdisk. We've already proven that modifying the ramdisk of the recovery.img will allow the phone to boot (the ramdisk being 1/2 of the recovery.img) and the other half being the kernel. If the kernel of the recovery partition *isn't* signed (just like the ramdisk) (this is is likely) (good news) you should be able to have a custom kernel stored on the recovery partition which means you can boot into android using the key combintion for recovery. The only downside is A: as of right now, you'll lose clockwork recovery, (but you can easily get it back) and B: Not pressing the recovery key combination will boot up the stock kernel, not the custom one
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ckochinsky125:
not really the same. Moto has everything locked down sammy left some openings.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ylexot:
Who said the S3 bootloader was encrypted? I must have missed that post.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NightxFall:
Someone who apparently had a conversation with a Samsung rep. Even if it is encrypted, its still not locked down as much as Motos bootloaders are; as we have already found out.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ylexot:
Oh, and reps have never been wrong... You'd have better odds going with the opposite of what reps say.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ckochinsky125:
and we all know how the reps are always right.....:D But anyway it is nowhere near the level of moto lock down so hope that is a good sign and the great devs can figure out how to crack it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tonu42:
Yes, its hardware monitoring at its max. This guy is very good at what he does. We all have high hopes for him.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ooofest:
Good to hear confirmed. I donated to ChipIn earlier (before the funds for his test phone suddenly became available) based on what others were saying and my quick research of his background, so nice to hear that he's as capable as it seemed.

- ooofest
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jgrimberg1979:
Just picked up sgs 3 for AT&T, waiting for my Verizon preorder to show up. I hope this bootloader gets unlocked in the next couple of weeks. If not I guess I will be keeping this sgs 3 since the b-loader is unlocked. I would much rather have this thing on vzw lte! Keep up the good work devs. Keeping my fib fingers crossed
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NAU420:
Yeah if you Google him, he does great work and he's fast. This guy plays hard with the android would.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
Have we discovered which department you work in for vzw?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jgrimberg1979:
janitorial

jk
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ooofest:
Hey, I have sincere respect for people who take on those types of manual labor jobs.

Maybe you meant . . . Senior Vice President?

- ooofest
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] rozelle25:
What happened to the bounty?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ricky babalu:
They moved it to the "General" section, where it is dying a slow death.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1760568
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neh4pres:
Wow bs
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NegativeOne:
Assuming he knows the keys right?..... As a rule, software devs don't have production passwords and keys unless they actually NEED them. He probably doesn't have the key needed.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ExodusC:
I'm curious to see if AdamOutler can make a reproducible bootloader unlock as he said.

On a side note, I rebooted my device this morning after it was acting up and noticed an unlock picture with the words "CUSTOM" under it. Is that indicative of the flash counter being tripped or the bootloader being unlocked? I haven't done anything special and that image was not there during previous reboots.

One other poster reported this same thing before, but I don't think people believed him. He said it was gone on the next reboot. I'm going to reboot now and see, out of curiosity.

Edit: Still there. Did my flash counter trip itself or is there something else going on?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Juicy92:
It has to do with you flashing the sys.img
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ExodusC:
Interesting, because I didn't have that after a couple reboots until this morning.

I was under the assumption this did not trip the flash counter.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
It hasn't proven to be anything of value.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Freshgeardude:
That comes up after you have frozen apps that would otherwise not be able to be disabled through ICS from what I understand.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NegativeOne:
I feel like some of these discussions should go in another thread, really... But my curiousity is piqued nonetheless... What exactly is the flash counter, and you're saying that 'rm'ing some apks in adb will trip it ?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] dubge:
where are you seeing it say custom? I just want to know where to look when I really start messing around.

I cant wait to change the stupid verizon boot screen and sounds
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] cmg5461:
new forum layout o.o
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] BlueCross:
My ass it's dying.

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