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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] nosympathy:
LOL what? HTC Unlock tool allows fastboot commands such as "fastboot flash boot boot.img" and "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img"

Also you can flash kernels after the unlock by using a phxximg.zip file aswell.

Only thing you cannot do with s-on unlocked bootloaders is run previous RUU to your current firmware, and also change radios or hboot to a previous version.

I am saying this coming from a rezound that was s-on but unlocked for months running custom kernels.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Haro912:
Coming from the revolution I don't think the ril was ever cracked... I don't even know if it was attempted the only roms for that phone were baked stock roms. We never got anything built from source like cm7 or 9.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] I Am Marino:
Tekk never did anything for the Rezound and I'll keep believing that until proof is shown.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Hypnosis4U2NV:
Once again, depression sets in..

Sent from my Commodore 64..

READY.

load"*", 8,1
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neyenlives:
Never was true.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ntowell:
Will dev ed phone help to unlock the non-developer bootloader?

I was just curious if the release of a developer edition Galaxy S3 for the Verizon network will have any impact on the progress to unlock the bootloader on the current Verizon S3? If it's identical hardware designed to both be run on Verizon's network, what would prevent the regular S3 from being flashed the the same software/bootloader as the developer edition?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Poloasis:
This has been ask before. We can only wait and see.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] guardianali:
Honestly I am finding less and less reason to care if the bootloader is unlocked.

The default kernel has great battery life when you freeze Samsung apps in TB negating needs for under clocking /volting.

Apex launcher works.

Widgetzoid allows custom notification toggle widgets, though there's already back bunch there.

The speed and magnitude of the hardware makes the phone fast and smooth negating "tweaks" of custom roms and for overclocking.

I came from gnex using cm9/aoxp/liquid...

After rooting my s3 and freezing some apps... Finding I'm not missing much.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] joebob296:
Please delete this it was a double post.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] joebob296:
True the sgs3 is a blazing fast phone as it is. But its not just the speed that matters, the whole idea behind android is open source and being able to do what you want with your phone. Just because they made a great phone does not mean they needed to lock it down. Obviously the over clocking made a bigger difference on the OG Droid then the sgs3 but its a matter of principle that android was supposed to be open.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] luke1987:
Stock setup is pretty smooth...but imagine aosp on this gem
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] dubge:
what samsung apps did you freeze to help with battery life? Can I disable them with the stock ICS way or do I need something like titanium to do it properly?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] thejondude:
I like to check this thread daily to find out where we stand, but its getting harder and harder to find actual useful info. So please please can we stop posting in here? yes yes my post is also similar to the non sense but seriously there are lots of posts in general about tips and random comments. I know were all excited but its actually making the people that are working on this not want to post in here, Which im sure is not what you guys want.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] joebob296:
All of the useful info is on Adams dev thread.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NegativeOne:
Which one?

edit: Which thread?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] thejondude:
They are different Adams and he is more focused on the hardware while.others believe its gonna be only software
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] j0hnnyth3f0x:
The thread in the gs3 original development forum, right above themes and apps
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] macdroid01:
I do not think the power of encryption is widely realized here by non-developers.

I am guessing they used different keys for all the VZ phones (the regular ones, the non-dev units). In that case... it will likely never be cracked. Unless as stated before here and elsewhere someone at the NSA wants to donate some supercomputer CPU time. The only way it will be unlocked is...

..if we KEEP pressure UP on Verizon to UNLOCK OUR devices we PAID for. I posted a negative 1 start review. People: post 1 star reviews of this phone at Verizon's website and elsewhere. No one but Verizon itself can help us unfortunately.

HOwever I'd love to be wrong. Maybe there is a way, with this jtag thing or whatnot. I hope so. :confused:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] lblacklol:
I don't believe they are necessarily trying to crack the encryption itself. I believe the goal is to attempt a workaround to the bootloader's encryption/signage coming into play. IE, find where the source of the bootloader being signed is coming from and circumvent it or force a way for it to sign any bootloader regardless of whether it meets criteria or not.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] walbuls:
We could get lucky and find a PS3 error and derive the privet keys lol and verizon is picking and choosing what review to allow, there not going to allow the 100's of 1 star complaints they have prolly gotten so far(I know mine is not there yet)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neyenlives:
Every single person at xda who ordered one could do that and it wouldn't be enough to matter.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] mattydangerfox:
Just to make sure I'm caught up after wading through all the stuff in this forum, is the only thing holding back custom kernels using kexec the RIL?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] s197:
Two separate issues. You can already load custom kernels via kexec. The RIL right now is interfering with data on AOSP ROMs. The devs are looking into it and hopefully it will be resolved soon but there are already bootable CM9 and CM10 ROMs. They just do not have data as the RIL still needs to be configured correctly.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] kman79:
Was writing up a whole review of the phone for the Verizon site showcasing how much Verizon Locked Down Bootloader policy hinders the phone and it's user. I will be posting it in a couple of days, I suggest others do the same.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] mattydangerfox:
Haha yeah that was a really sloppy question after I read it again. I meant executing a fully working rom with a custom kernel, so you basically answered my question exactly how I meant to ask it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] pozer69:
My 1 star review never got posted...they are monitoring the reviews
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] solido888:
"Write a review is currently unavailable. Please try again later."
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] chakra:
ya mine still shows my Nexus, Maybe its because of the survey they sent me and I killed them on. Now they wont even show I have a GS3 for fear of a bad review. LOL
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Jugger naut:
Making a difference

We are making a difference boys and girls! Verizon can neither legaly or ethically (not that Verizon cares about ethics) post only positive reviews and delete negative ones. Here is a link on the subject http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1770621

Just remember keep posts polite, factual, and no Verizon bashing don't give them any excuse to delete it.

Lets get a list of review sites with links that we as consumers can make a difference, I'm at work if no one posts one by the time I'm home I'll whip one up.

And they said it couldn't be done.....It has begun! :laugh:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NedDasty:
Even this post is pretty amusing, because even this person doesn't realize by any margin the power of 256-bit AES.

If we somehow merged every processor and computer on earth, including all of the NSA's supercomputers, and then multiplied that computing power by one billion, we do not have a number large enough to describe the number of years it would take to brute force 256-bit AES. It is more than a billion times a billion times a billion times a billion.

Let's put this into perspective. Suppose we had the K Computer, the world's fastest and largest supercomputer, which can perform 8.2 quadrillion operations per second. Let's assume that this computer can set up a decryption key and decrypt everything in a single operation (which is not practical, but whatever). So basically, we're trying 8.2 quadrillion keys per second.

On 56-bit AES, this would take 8 seconds.

On 128-bit AES, this would take 1.3 quadrillion years.

I won't even mention 256 AES right now, because I would grow old and die before I finished typing out the digits.

Edit: I couldn't resist, the number is around 10^54 years. That's 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Elite49:
Annnnd now theirs a new baseband/build out for the NEWer SGS3s according to the post on general. Thats both a good and bad thing. Hopefully it fixes any issues people are having with radios but may need new root method correct?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neh4pres:
Big news adam outler just posted... DO NOT REPLY IN HIS THREAD.

But basically we can flash the bootloader now. But it is still locked. But this makes the device much easier to recover from a brick
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NegativeOne:
Which thread?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jdhas:
It's hugely helpful when you post links to the source: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1769411&page=6
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NFSP G35:
So just to put all those zeros in perspective...

Current best estimate for the age of the universe:

13,750,000,000 years.

So we would only need the age of the universe, 72,700,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times over.

....ok, there's still too many zeros for perspective.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] :
hmmm can flashing a generic build work...?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Elite49:
I'm thankful for whatever we get, whenever we get it. I'm good with root as of now because coming from an X2 we never had an unlocked bootloader. All this **** could of been avoided but noooo... verizon just has to be a ****.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] techdeskjocky:
I just wish I could do more to help the community crack this open. I don't currently possess the knowledge to contribute where it matters most (hacking and cracking). I need this project to go all the way.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] densetsu86:
Just saying why do people keep thinking it will be the very last combination that will crack it? Theoretically it could only take five minutes (although not likely) or it could take that long. Why do people always assume the worst case scenario? That total time is for checking every single combination known to man and its meant to derail people from trying it. As I said may get lucky and crack it in a hr, a day, a week, a month, a year, or that unrealistic number you guys spouted.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] t3t5u0:
/facepalm

Someone goes through all the trouble to do the math for you and you're still optimistic? No it's not a 5 minutes, an hour, day, week or your grandchildrens lifetime. AES has been vetted by NIST, NSA and many other independent organizations and it's the encryption algorithm of choice currently for very good reason. It's used to secure Top Secret info from now until the end of time.

You're correct it probably isn't going to take trillions of years, but when calculating brute force attacks you assume on average the time it takes to cycle at least 50% of the permutations. Your rosie scenario assumes success after 0.000000001% of possible permutations. It's statistically impossible so you should focus your efforts and energy on something more helpful.

Brute force attacks are for amateurs and people who watch too many hacker movies.

We can assume the security architecture is Trusted Platform Module (TPM) based because Qualcomm is a top tier partner for Microsoft for both Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 RT, both of which require TPM 1.2 or 2.0. Also Samsung supports TPM across multiple products. If it isn't the S4 directly, then there is possibly a small Infineon chip onboard for TPM, then it would take hardware expertise to attack the hardware and circumvent it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module

Hopefully it isn't TPM and the the private key is stored in software somewhere then it should be far easier...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NFSP G35:
Are you freaking kidding me?

You sir, have absolutely no understanding of probability.

Let's just go through a short list of things that are more probable than brute-forcing 256bit AES:

Winning the lottery jackpot by buying only one ticket... repeating this process every hour for the rest of your life.

There's a chance this key is printed out on a sheet of paper... so you'd be much faster to simply search through every single piece of paper on the entire planet... technically, trillions of times more likely to find it this way.

Tell people you're the CEO of Samsung. The odds of this working are significantly higher than brute-force... technically the odds of you ACTUALLY BEING the CEO of Samsung are higher.

The total equity of Samsung is $ 224.7 billion USD... simply withdraw this amount from your bank and buy the company. The accounting glitches necessary for this to work are far more likely as well.

Brute-force password attacks on every computer on the planet. This too is substantially closer to the realm of probability than brute-forcing AES and if you break into all of the computers, you'll eventually be able to find the encryption key as well... so that's kinda two-birds-one-stone.

Hold random strangers at gunpoint and demand they give you the encryption key. Considering the number of people that could get this key divided against the population of the earth, this is probably the most likely to work on the very first try... and I know what you're thinking... this is almost certain to land you in serious trouble... but as compared to the insurmountable odds we're talking about, getting in trouble is extremely unlikely...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] joebob296:
That my good sir was an awesome post! Well worth the read.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Noxious Ninja:
Do we know if there's any sort of downgrade prevention? Or will we be able to revert any Verizon updates just but flashing back an original firmware? (Not that I'll be accepting OTAs any time soon...)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Coop9:
You buy lottery tickets, don't you.

If not, you should. You have a significantly higher chance of winning than ever cracking a 256bit AES key, even if you can use all the computing power on earth for the next century, nevermind the 18-24 months this phone will be relevant.

That is why no one is looking at actually cracking the encryption. The smart ones who think it's possible are all out buying lottery tickets.

*edit - damn, NFSP G35 beat me to the lottery analogy.

Overall summary, if you suck at maths, don't discuss it on the internet. There's a lot of people who hang out there who are actually kind of knowledgeable in regards to 'numbers and stuff'.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Boss428man:
With all this talk of odds, years, eternities, I guess we need to focus on high odds and guarantees. Easiest way to brake that encryption is to email Verizon corporate, call and leave an honest review often/repeatedly in large numbers. Call them out on their hypocritical response politely with the attitude its not acceptable. (I'm sorry there response of the "Unlocked Bootloader" would negatively impact other users and yourself is crap. If it would why is there a developer edition... the Nexus?? Verizon you need to have a clear message.) Anyway, the continual noise is not good for Verizon.. they can take a week or 2 of it but the constant bombardment is not good for their public image or operating costs. As long as we complain here they get away with it guaranteed! Better to have the goal of developing here as we will have 100% success at that. Just my thoughts.. BTW You should check out Adams thread its very interesting! Check it out! and DO NOT POST UNLESS YOU ARE DEVELOPING (If you need to ask yourself if you are just don't post 100% guaranteed.)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Divine_Madcat:
Of course, we could really start talking theoretical, and wonder what kind of wrench quantum computing will throw into security like this (hint: its a pretty big one); but since that is so far off, lets forget I even mentioned it. ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] kingnerd:
New development in Adam's thread, decompiling the param.img logic in an e-mail: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=28953690#post28953690

Lee says he's figured out where the boot.img check is, which is very promising for this phone. I'm excited.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] AdamLange:
thats close, but we cant patch the aboot.img so if we cant see how the crc is counted/compared then it is useless :/

I'm on aboot also, for a while now :) let's see who will (or not) find it first ;)

Adam
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] marsonist:
Given the effort Verizon is making to avoid hardware exploitation, and given that older versions of software tend to be more exploitable than newer ones, it seems likely that Samsung/Verizon will take steps to prevent downgrading. Imagine we'll have to wait for an upgrade first to find out.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] hsomnus:
I straight up asked Samsung for a tool! Their response follows:

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ahanecurren:
Verizon Call

I called last night to speak to a rep about getting the unlock codes to open up the bootloader. The first woman I spoke to had no idea what it was...and told me only Samsung would have them. Realizing that see would be no help, I entertained her suggestion and called Samsung. Their call center director told me that is something only the carrier themselves have and can give to a consumer. So I called back Verizon support for a second time. The man I got, named Nathan, was obviously an Android fan. He agreed with what I was asking for and said he saw no point in it being locked. He said he wanted to see this personally through, as he has a stake in its success. Anyways, he is calling me back today with more information. He told me he planned on going throughout his center and asking higher ups how to get

these codes. If all else fails, he told me he will call back later today and connect me to the "head honcho" at that specific center. I told him that if that executive fails to comply with the C Block accords Verizon agreed to for the spectrum, I would be contacting an attorney and the matter would be escalated. I will be damned if they try to make this go away. >:)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NedDasty:
Once again, this is the inability of your head to wrap around these numbers. Sure, 10^54 was the upper limit, but you do not understand these numbers.

There is a 10% chance that it'll take you less than 10^53 years (with the best supercomputer on the planet).

There is a 1% chance that it'll take you less than 10^52 years.

There is a 0.1% chance that it'll take you less than 10^51 years.

Do you see where this is going? What are the chances of finding it in less than the age of the universe? The answer is this: a 10^-39% chance. Here's the probability:

0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance that it would take us less than the age of the universe to discovery the key.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] flamus:
Considering, Verizon is telling us it's locked for "security" reasons then they are following Block rules. They are using a very big loop hole and have no reason to unlock it. :-\
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Srambo217:
Anyone have an email address for Verizon so I can politely tell them I will not be renewing my contract with them because of this fiasco?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] PJnc284:
yup. They're going to try to play the "reasonable network management" card. But seems like that could be an issue with them deciding to selectively allow "open" devices (Gnex, Dev Galaxy SIII). One could think if they were that concerned, everything would be locked.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] meishkov:
So you're telling me there's a chance?!? ;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] solido888:
Pretty much this. You cannot play that card, if you are simultaneously allowing an unlocked version of the EXACT same phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] morrowa2:
I've filed a complaint with the FCC stating just this, and there was nothing in the advertised specifications about a locked bootloader. Don't know if it will help, but at least will get their attention if a lot of people complain about the same thing. www.fcc.gov
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] walbuls:
You cant claim "security" when you allow the exact same device onto your network in an unlocked state by paying more for it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ahanecurren:
But they are selling a totally unlocked edition on the network. So they cannot claim it would threaten network security when they are selling it unlocked themselves..

The industry standard for this device is unlocked. Everyone else has it unlocked, including their edition, but a different model.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] nosympathy:
Lowell.McAdam@verizonwireless.com

Just be very polite. An exec usually will contact you if you leave a phone number too.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ydoucare:
Samsung is selling the dev edition, not Verizon.