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[Other TouchPad Development] lewmur:
That link details the requirements for Windows 8, not RT. But MS has stated quite clearly that RT devices CANNOT be capable of booting any other OS. IOW RT tablets MUST be manufactured to run RT and RT only.
[Other TouchPad Development] Remolten:
Links please...
[Other TouchPad Development] lewmur:
www.google.com
[Other TouchPad Development] android_geek123:
@lewmur you are a disgrace to this community
[Other TouchPad Development] Remolten:
Obviously, you are telling us you have no sources to back your claims. Next time you try something, give some proof.

Please don't post any more junk in this thread.
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
Keep this thread about Windows 8 RT.

Remember, for anything here to progress a UEFI bootloader needs to be written for the TouchPad.
[Other TouchPad Development] pojir:
Have you even clicked on that link?
[Other TouchPad Development] lewmur:
It means it's a well known fact and that if you are too lazy to look it up for yourself, that's your problem. It doesn't change the facts. Go right on hoping for the impossible.
[Other TouchPad Development] Remolten:
You are the one that is too lazy to look it up. That's why you won't post anything because

YOU'RE TOO LAZY

too even try to back up your claims. Just because you said something, doesn't make it true. You made a mistake, just give it up because nothing good will come out of flaming.
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
This project isn't going anywhere. PM each other if you want to continue.
[Other TouchPad Development] devwithzachary:
Keep this thread on topic otherwise it will be locked down and warnings given out.

Thank you
[Other TouchPad Development] Remolten:
We should start by PM'ing the guy who made it for the HTC phone.

I'm done hopefully lewmur is too.
[Other TouchPad Development] XICO2KX:
Not actually TouchPad-related, but here's an interesting presentation at HITB Security Conference 2013 named "Dreamboot: A UEFI Bootkit"...:cool:

conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2013ams/sebastien-kaczmarek/

Maybe this would be somehow useful in the future! ;)
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/29/microsoft-relaxes-windows-8-resolution-rule/

Not that interesting but still.
[Other TouchPad Development] ojdon:
This thread has zero discussion value anyway. Can't you just do everyone a favour and lock it now? People are just posting unrelated articles that contain the words "Windows", "8" and "UEFI" in them.

...Like that's helping a closed-source proprietary OS magically work flawlessly on a outdated device with a fair few closed drivers required.
[Other TouchPad Development] tjsooley:
I started this thred and I agree. lock it.
[Other TouchPad Development] devwithzachary:
Well no raven_5x started the thread.. and I do hope he is not yours as well.. as XDA only allows one account per person.

But yes this thread has come to an end so I will lock it down now
[Other TouchPad Development] Unrealwolf:
It could cure the boredom, for couple of hours at least.
[Other TouchPad Development] Caretaker007:
+1 :p
[Other TouchPad Development] gsmhelper:
Once a RT tablet device came out, there will be a ROM for this TouchPad. Please wait.
[Other TouchPad Development] nichostetler:
Now that the microsoft surface is released does this mean we are a step closer to having windows 8 RT on the touchpad or is this whole idea just false hope?
[Other TouchPad Development] k1l:
its just false hope
[Other TouchPad Development] nitrobg:
This is false.

1. Microsoft will never release the source code of Windows 8 RT.

2. Even if someone succeeds in making a very dirty port, it will be barely working because the manufacturers don't have or if they have, they probably won't release the drivers even for the basic modules - chipset, touchscreen, wireless/bt radio.

3. There are basically no active devs for android on Touchpad, don't expect any for a potential W8 port.
[Other TouchPad Development] nikos5800:
If you want windows 8 rt. tablet why you buy touchpad?

2)windows rt its a big SUCK

3)there is no no no no posibilitte to someone bring windows rt on touchpad

Its fact fact fact fact

Thank you :)
[Other TouchPad Development] x000x:
there is also a UEFI lock on rt devices. i wonder how people think that would be circumvented. but all these issues point to one thing: a person would have to pirate the software and hack it in order to get it to work. rt isnt like android.
[Other TouchPad Development] I Am Marino:
In it's defense, Win8RT is actually quite pleasurable to use.
[Other TouchPad Development] ericerk:
Cuz it was 100 bucks and it was going to have android... you?
[Other TouchPad Development] toberino:
...and pretty soon it will have win8 too! It may not end up perfect, but it will happen. Guaranteed!!
[Other TouchPad Development] ojdon:
How? Android is an open-source project that will run on any device providing they have the hardware drivers available. Windows RT is closed source, therefore can only be run on certain OEM devices... Care to explain your wizardry since you can guarantee it?
[Other TouchPad Development] nitrobg:
And a 41MP camera will magically appear on the back, NFC will show up, the CPU will self-upgrade to 4 16-core xeons, we'll get a microsd card slot and the entire device will be coated in gold and diamonds.

Guaranteed!!!
[Other TouchPad Development] Alveran:
I think it's not possible.
[Other TouchPad Development] ericerk:
you can't guarantee it,when there is such difficulty porting Ubuntu to the device,( though it would be pretty sweet) but people are abandoning the device for the N7and calling it dead

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Mine is gonna turn into a chevy volt.
[Other TouchPad Development] The Jack of Clubs:
41mp seems a bit small. i dont think i want windows 8 if it has such low res image sensors.
[Other TouchPad Development] :
I have a win8 arm QUALCOMM prototype tablet.. anything I can help with?

I saw a recovery partition with wim file.. other partition seems like bitlocker locked
[Other TouchPad Development] ericerk:
A full system dump couldn't hurt
[Other TouchPad Development] :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ar3zir3a2xuibf8/RT.rar

this includes the recovery partition (WIM), boot partition (UEFI files), and WinPE partition

for password please PM me.. this is for serious dev only (not meant for wild redistribution)

Windows RT

Build 9200
[Other TouchPad Development] nikos5800:
What it does mean?

That our touchpad can have windows rt? It is possibly?
[Other TouchPad Development] k1l:
you will still need the drivers for all that stuff. This is not a PC where you get CDs with Drivers with the Device. (the device doesnt even have a cd drive :) )

I dont get why people dont understand that even for android custom roms itself its hard to manage with the driver-problem.
[Other TouchPad Development] :
this is system dump and installation file for ARM.. if drivers are compatible, then it might has a chance
[Other TouchPad Development] Stryeguy:
It's a system dump.
[Other TouchPad Development] x000x:
well not so sure that drivers would be a huge issue. i've written about it in the past: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=28519694#post28519694

but basically from an article i found "To reduce the number of drivers it will have to keep up to date, Microsoft is relying heavily on "class drivers" to support hardware in both WOA and Windows 8 - for those of you just tuning in, a class driver is designed to support all hardware manufactured to certain standards, rather than targeting specific devices. They're why you can freely plug in different USB keyboards and flash drives to a Windows computer and have them recognized by the machine without needing to pop in a driver disk first."

question is would a touchpad fall under those standards? well they made a prototype using the exact hardware the touchpad has.. so i'm guessing yes
[Other TouchPad Development] :
May i have it?
[Other TouchPad Development] :
have you downloaded the file? It seems like my dropbox has restricted public links.

Will try to upload to SkyDrive but if you have the file, do pm me so I can send you the password
[Other TouchPad Development] Astromanaught:
Short answer, no. Long answer, no,never, not a chance in hell.
[Other TouchPad Development] nikos5800:
We shall see :cowboy:
[Other TouchPad Development] Unrealwolf:
Dont forget that even if TR was ported to TP, major part of TP community (16gb model owners) won't be able to use it: the OS itself uses about 16 gigs, so there won't be any space left for user data (even for WebOS).
[Other TouchPad Development] ba114:
As mentioned before, the OS does NOT use 16gb, it's a hardware requirement
[Other TouchPad Development] XICO2KX:
Looks like you're getting ready to solve the challenge!:fingers-crossed:

Please keep us informed of your progress on this!:victory:
[Other TouchPad Development] dustinhayes93:
The thing is... even if it does get ported over... how will the average user use this? There would be piracy issues and stuff. Would love to have this on my tp though. I wouldn't mind having it if ever possible
[Other TouchPad Development] ashton4life:
Anyone heard of Hackintosh? I had it running on my first dual core laptop on an external HD. Did piracy stop those guys from making it. 8 on TP? I'm sure XDA will have nothing to do with it but on the outside I'm sure it could happen, especially now with all the touchscreen gizmos in Windows 8.
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
Here is why there will not be Windows 8 RT for the HP Touchpad.

Just like Ubuntu there will be no Hardware Acceleration and without that it will not function correctly. All of Windows 8 is dependent on that.

In addition to that, it is closed source unlike the open source ubuntu, you will not be able to have it function correctly with the cpu gpu etc of the HP touchpad. It's great that people try, but this will not happen.

If windows 8 were to be ported to any device it would be the Nexus 7, and I highly doubt that will happen.
[Other TouchPad Development] ericerk:
And thats why i'm happy I got a nexus 7
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
Yeah, you should go install Ubuntu on it.
[Other TouchPad Development] grivad:
The same was said about Windows Phone 7, and it was ported to the HD2. Not saying it will work, but it may. Too soon to say it absolutely won't or can't.
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
That's true, but Windows Phone 7 is far less locked down than Windows RT. Also similar specs in the HD2 and its original software being WIndows Mobile made it easier. I used to have that phone, it really is amazing. I hope a Quad core phone comes out with the hackability of the HD2
[Other TouchPad Development] Stephenhon:
+1.............:good:
[Other TouchPad Development] ericerk:
I will once I can dualboot android and ubuntu
[Other TouchPad Development] :
The Snapdragon CPU is supported by Windows RT so that's not a problem. We also know the GPU thanks to HP, it's only a matter of writing a functioning driver.
[Other TouchPad Development] k1l:
Ok, than go and write the driver, if its not a problem.
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
No, see there are many different versions of the "Snapdragon CPU".

I don't know anything about writing drivers, code or Windows RT, but I do know some things.

Consider this: Ubuntu doesn't yet work perfectly with sound, hardware acceleration and everything. Ubuntu is clearly much easier to port than Windows 8. Windows RT supports some form of the Snapdragon CPU? Great, but it's closed source and simply will not run. It's great to see people try, but I haven't seen one real, skilled dev say anything about the possibility of Windows RT on the HP Touchpad.

It simply is not possible. The Nexus 7 has a Tegra 3. The Surface RT has a Tegra 3. Yet they haven't ported it and there are hundreds more devs for the Nexus 7.

Here's another small problem... Windows RT doesn't support anything below 1366 x 768.

And the final fact: You would need to port a kernel that works. Until there is a Windows RT device with identical specs to the Touchpad this will not happen. And there won't be because it is an outdated processor. They don't make them anymore.

The HP Touchpad is great, but the fact is it's outdated.
[Other TouchPad Development] yasingedik:
I dont think that W8 will be ported to HP Touchpad but lets not say "it is not possible" and "Touchpad is outdated". IMO touchpad is a decent hardware.

I believe HP Touchpad can run W8 RT, but it needs dedicated, experienced developers. Just a fresh example: http://www.wpcentral.com/against-all-odds-windows-phone-8-has-been-hacked-htc-hd2 WP8 and W8 share their cores.

So my point is, to port W8 on HP Touchpad is not impossible but too costly. TP is no HD2 :p
[Other TouchPad Development] nitrobg:
HTC HD2 runs Windows Mobile 6.5 natively, so it is much easier to make it boot into a Windows OS, create a wrapper for the drivers and such.

Don't get your hopes up, it's nearly close to impossible.
[Other TouchPad Development] lewmur:
Why do people keep beating this dead horse? It isn't just "nearly close to impossibe", whatever that means. It IS impossible. There has yet to be a single case of ANYONE porting RT to ANY device, much less a TP.

The reason is simple. SoC's don't have a re-writable BIOS like x86 systems. Instead, they have a so called "blob" of code hard coded into the the chip, at the time they are manufactured, that controls the boot process. You can have SoCs that are indentical in everyway except for the "blob" and one will run RT and the other won't because MS has designed it that way. This is controlled in the manufacturing process and nothing anyone does later can change it.

The only way to "hack" RT would be if you could manufacture your own SoC. Forget it.:(
[Other TouchPad Development] holmtech:
Hopefully this wasn't previously posted, but it looks like some folks at HP were working on it. It would be cool, but seems unlikely.

slashgear.com/hp-touchpad-may-be-revived-with-windows-8-25190700/

Sorry, I haven't posted enough to add the hyper link.
[Other TouchPad Development] blmvxer:
Dude that was posted over a year ago! ROFL.
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
Might as well close this thread.
[Other TouchPad Development] lewmur:
Even if were true, it would mean that HP was working on a *new* version of the TP that would be an RT device. It would have nothing whatever to do with the current TP.

And, as I stated, the SoC would have different "code" hardcoded at the manufacturing level that could not possibly be "ported" to current TPs.

But the "true believers" will continue to revive this thread with rumors and nonsense. No amount of facts will ever convince them it CAN'T BE DONE!!!!
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
Just Imagine This Thread Is Closed

No More Posts Please​
[Other TouchPad Development] conzmac:
I refuse to believe this device is dead. There is simply so much that can be done with it. As long as revkylejr (youtube) supports it then it will live on. I use mine daily and simply love it. Long live the tp!!!
[Other TouchPad Development] Insignificant:
Windows RT now runs on the HTC HD2. Its no magic, just a new EFI bootloader.

Windows RT is compiled for ARMv7 Thumb2, so it should be compatible with the HP Touchpad. Because Windows has a great "basic display driver" there is no *need* (except for hardware acceleration) for a good displayer drivers. But even if you've got a display driver it doesn't mean they are good (look at the Intel Z670).

Maybe someone should ask @CotullaCode for the bootloader to release it as an open source project ^^.
[Other TouchPad Development] tjsooley:
You beat me to it. Here is the link.

http://www.osnews.com/story/26638/Windows_RT_ported_to_HTC_HD2

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I would donate $50 to a fully working port.
[Other TouchPad Development] Domskibus:
And here the "home based article" ;)

http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/htc-hd2-refuses-to-die-now-runs-windows-rt/
[Other TouchPad Development] Shad0wguy:
I actually came here to post the same thing. I'd really like to see Windows RT on these devices just to play with.
[Other TouchPad Development] sirocyl:
At first thought, I was convinced this thread was stupid speculation.

Seeing someone develop a bootloader to spoof Windows RT on other devices gives me a bit of hope, though.

I've delved into UEFI before, maybe if I took a look at an RT image I could gain some insight here.
[Other TouchPad Development] blkhockeypro19:
Agreed

I don't understand why people are so negative in this thread. WindowsRT is compiled for ARM. Good. WindowsRT used an EFI bootloader. Check out Clover or XPC for an open source EFI bootloader that can be ported. Lastly we have the partition layout - also well known information.

All that remains is drivers... and the generic Windows display driver is good enough for now. If it runs on an HD2, it can run on a Touchpad.
[Other TouchPad Development] tjsooley:
I would suggest a bounty for a port. I will start at $50
[Other TouchPad Development] nikos5800:
Agree:good:
[Other TouchPad Development] spunker88:
Sounds interesting, we will have to see how its accomplished on the HD2, nothing has been released yet. With the hardware in the Touchpad Windows RT would be more usable vs the HD2.
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
First find a dev that wants to spend countless hours working on porting this. Tell the dev to setup a donation thing
[Other TouchPad Development] qmarchi:
Although I'm not a HP/Linux dev (I'm a java dev) I'm still willing to learn. Really the first step would be getting ahold of a copy of Windows RT. I have a friend who works for Dell so I could prolly get it from him (hes in R&D). Second would be Getting all the drivers in place. As WRT uses the system32 still (I think :/), getting them should be the only HARD part of that. Back to my new WP7 phone.
[Other TouchPad Development] Unrealwolf:
As far as i know, Windows RT comes with a huge load of drivers for printers and such. I think, there is some chance that there are something usefull for us. And HP - if they've tested Android on Touchpad, who knows, maybe RT was tested too. Just dreams though. Anyway, the main issue would be that UEFI bootloader stuff.
[Other TouchPad Development] tjsooley:
If this guy that wrote a uefi bootloader for the hd2 shares his code maby we can port it
[Other TouchPad Development] spunker88:
At one point HP was supposedly testing Windows 8 on the Touchpad. This was after the Touchpad was discontinued and its possible that they were just using it as a platform to develop and test RT drivers for printers, etc.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Windows-8-TouchPad-webOS-Tegra-3-Kal-El,13825.html

Getting Windows 8 to boot would be the biggest challenge. Generic drivers would likely get us a working display and touch. Windows RT still contains Device Manager and it looks like drivers can be updated within the OS just like any Intel version of Windows. The Youtube video below shows that and notice the Update Driver button is not greyed out. So getting drivers would probably be as easy as copying the drivers and inf files from the system32 folder of other tablets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4D06Lb0W37w
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
HERE: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1989157

PM this guy: soongteck

That's for the Windows RT dump. Then talk to the guy that made the UEFI bootloader, I don't have links for that, go look in HD2 general
[Other TouchPad Development] Sl@nzer:
cotulla wrote the uefi bootloader for the hd2

http://xdaforums.com/member.php?u=600525
[Other TouchPad Development] tjsooley:
If we can get the code for the hd2 uefi loader it just may work
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
I still don't see a proper dev with a touchpad interested in working on this.
[Other TouchPad Development] Smith7018:
Well the issue here is that we need a UEFI bootloader emulator. It's not for lack of interest, it's for lack of resources. As stated, there's only been one UEFI bootloader emulator written and it's currently closed source. So, unless someone is enterprising enough to figure out how to write that emulator (which is extremely difficult/impressive), then we're currently stuck.
[Other TouchPad Development] tjsooley:
The guy who got rt working on the HD2 wrote his own UEFI loader
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
Talk to him. I still feel as though this will come to the nexus 7 before touchpad
[Other TouchPad Development] sirocyl:
The thing is, we might be able to get it running, albeit without driver support for e.g., camera, touchscreen, audio, wireless and bluetooth, and even power management (it may not charge properly under WinRT until the custom UEFI layer and/or a driver covers this).

The fact of the matter is, the first priority is to get a Windows RT kernel booting, is to get a UEFI stack ported. I've been delving into code, and had some experience working with rEFIt on the Mac/x86 platform and AppleTV's EFI loader.

I'm trying out something different, low-level formatting the NAND in GPT. Bootie's complaining though, and I've had to debrick several times already, but such is the tedious pace of research and development.

I'm by no means a "proper" dev, I'm just a hobbyist with a Touchpad.
[Other TouchPad Development] atrix4g18:
Great, keep up the good work. Just pointless when people throw around theories without doing anything practical, but it seems you have started somewhere, even if that somewhere is very basic it is still useful.

Get in contact with the hd2 guy.
[Other TouchPad Development] lewmur:
The only reason I can think of that the moderators haven't removed this entire thread is that they know it's pure nonsense.

If anyone actually posted info here on how to accomplish booting RT on a TP, it would, by definition, be pirated and therefore strictly against forum rules.
[Other TouchPad Development] tjsooley:
if it runs on the HD2 it WILL run on the touchpad.