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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] xformulax:
This is a reach, but lets say that Verizon isn't full of a bunch of... well... assholes? Kind of makes sense to lock a phone out of the box, and give the unlock tool for the small % of users that want/need it... But that kind of defeats the purpose of sammy having the off contract DEV version.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] kichard:
A wonderful idea sir.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] AdamLange:
I dont think they will relrease such tool, (people at chats and infolines are simply dont know this things). There will be developer version of SGS3 for verizon so what is the point of releasing the tool for locked phones? :)

Even if somehow they decided to do so, you will fully lost your warranty using it. We still need research on this to get to know how to lock it back :)

Adam
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] AdamLange:
OP updated with latest info.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] mallman:
not that i believe this but one reason could be to try and limit the number of returns they will get from the prerders that went out.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] iHTC:
Verizon is just waiting for the bounty to get higher so they can register here, release an unlock and claim the money for their greedy selves :).

On a more serious note, I think the CS reps are thinking about GSM unlock. Remember when the news of the Verizon GS3 came out, they stated it will be GSM capable just not at launch.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] myredfast:
Once you unlock a bootloader with an unlock tool, can you lock it back up? Thereby removing all signs of using it? Sorry for the noob question but this is my first lock down.:confused:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] das7771:
If the unlock tool were to be provided by Verizon only, then no you would not be able to re-lock your phone once unlocked. More than likely the only way to re-lock the bootloader is going to require one of these great devs on the XDA forum to hack it and figure a way to reverse the unlock method.

I doubt Verizon would ever offer an unlocking option for our S3's since samsung is release a developer edition.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] OldManJames:
Since there is not yet an unlock tool not one can answer that. Most likely you would have to register your device tool use it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] myredfast:
I was trying to make sense of them possibly (but unlikely) providing an unlock tool. Makes a little sense to have it locked from the beginning, then to provide an unlock tool to those that want it; and since you cant readily revert, this might make it easier to identify those that have done it and deny them warranty replacement if they brick. Possibly reducing cost.? Maybe it's reaching a bit, but that did cross my mind. What do you guys think about that? Thanks for the reply btw!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Kipland007:
Can anyone tell me what this ended up being? I assume it isn't what we were looking for but still curious
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] killerT721:
I would also like to know if anything big came out of this
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
Same here. I can't believe this hasn't received more attention. Does anyone know if this has been passed along to the devs?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jhanford:
And I'm okay with that!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] sneakysolidbake:
Its a public key for OTAs. Not helpful. I would have mentioned it on Monday when I myself found it, but it was in a folder near the trusted credentials certificates. Every phone should have a similar file in /etc/security/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] nosympathy:
So if you look at the rezound, there were developer versions of this phone. We still got an unlock tool. Also you can relock the phone, but more than likely there will be some kind of indicator that it was unlocked.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ImgBurn:
verizon reps over mail & chat

Verizon csr, techs, wireless, landlines B&Ms has always been a great source of misinformation.

I am not really sure if these vz employee's are slow, uninformed, new, untrained, or just feeble-minded.

But the end result is the same the wrong information half truth no truth.:(

My long standing relationship with vz tells me this Marisa (see attached) is not understanding the Question playing dumb

or is dumb. It seems very clear to me she's got no clue of what is being asked she's trying to make a sale.

Unfortunately I believe nothing will come of this latest one or any of the others.:crying:

This is a company built on lies ,deceit and greed.:mad:

You want a unlocked boot-loader from vz think of a way it will make them

mo money you'll have it yesterday.

But That's Just My Opinion. I Could Be Wrong....;)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] inline6power:
Why does everyone keep talking about the developer edition? Has it truly been confirmed that there will actually be a developer edition phone or is that still just a rumor. People say why would Verizon release a unlock tool because Samsung is releasing a developer edition phone but I have yet to see true confirmation about a release of this phone

sent from my galaxy s3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] grin0048:
It was confirmed by SamsungJohn via twitter--not sure if you consider that true confirmation or not.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] pkd600:
Whoa now, every employee at Verizon is not some greedy, unethical liar (even at their corporate office). Most of them are just normal, casual, hardworking people.

Some customer service reps or sales associates very well may be enthusiasts and decently informed, but most are not. They're just working a job and trying to make a living. For what its worth, the "chatters" at Verizon have very busy jobs and probably do not have time to surf around XDA getting the latest on every phone model. Most of them are probably not "techies" and don't even know what the bootloader is. Give them a break here, there not the enemy.

Let's all hope that an unlock actually does get released by Samsung or Verizon. If not, we have lots of great developers here at XDA working on the problem anyway.

On a side note, what is the deal with warranties being voided if you "unlock" your phone? These issues always come up on the car modding scene especially in regards to "chipping" or "tuning" a vehicle and its an issue that has been beaten to death. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act governs the legality of consumer warranties issued in the United States. Basically, it states that modding a piece of equipment does NOT void your warranty in full. It can only void the pieces of the warranty that may have been caused by the mod itself. So if your home button falls off, or the speaker stops working due to hardware failure, that would not have been caused by Rooting your phone. Your warranty should still be fully intact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] XDAholic:
It was confirmed many times...

http://pocketnow.com/2012/07/10/gal...ting-bootloader-access/?wpmp_switcher=desktop
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] inline6power:
Until it actually goes on sell then I will believe it. It's still all hearsay until it's actually available to the public

sent from my galaxy s3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] LLStarks:
It's not hearsay.

Samsung has announced it with a full press release. End of story.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/samsung-brings-out-galaxy-s-iii-developer-edition-for-verizon/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neh4pres:
Samsung is a company that makes $ hit happen.

If it was Verizon who said it then you can file it under your papers to burn pile
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jgrimberg1979:
Honestly it would be silly for anyone who is looking to mod their phone and isnt a developer who makes there own roms etc to buy this phone because no one will have this phone except a select few so the development will be very limited. A phone that has a large number of developers working on it means a phone with some kick as roms. Look at the international versions of the sgs2 and sgs3 and look in there development forum, they are loading with great ****, that is because everyone has the same hardware etc without any variants. Since the us version has at least 4 variants and they are all different so the development will never be near what the internationally version will be. Anyways I hope it gets unlocked bc I wanna return the att one snd activate the Verizon one which is sitting in the box waiting for good news. I got only 12 days until I have to return it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] sneakysolidbake:
Same hardware, but with an unlockable bootloader. Every bit of development from the locked phone, except for unnecessary stuff like kexec, will carry right over to the dev edition.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tpike:
As far as relocking the boot loader, why couldn't you just reodin the stock locked img? It's just a partition right?

I think the issue we are having is that we can't figure out what's inside in order to make one that's not locked that will actually boot our phones.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] inline6power:
I think the point he was making was how many people are going to go out and pay 600 bucks for a phone that has an unlocked boot loader compared to how many people got the locked down version. A Rom made for the unlocked version will not work for our locked down phones will they

sent from my galaxy s3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] sneakysolidbake:
Yes the roms work will because its the exact same phone. The kernels will also work but with the locked version, you'll need a kexec recovery. Just so everyone knows, Kexec is really simple, it takes about 5 minutes to set it up on the phone and after that you're set. The *locked* status of this phone is not NEARLY as bad as some people make it out to be.

EDIT: and by "some people" I mean people who don't take the time to research for themselves. They just see the words locked bootloader on the forums and instantly make an assumption. Fact is, you can flash any kernel you want to this phone. The problem arises when it comes to booting that kernel. We still don't know how the security functions.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
Those of us coming from the DROID X will have to see it to believe it.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] sneakysolidbake:
No, I'm sure many D X/2 users have seen the light and are no longer wallowing in ignorance. You can get kexec up and running from stock rooted without a computer and it takes about 5 minutes, depending on how fast you can punch out a couple commands in Terminal Emulator.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] inline6power:
point taken and I agree

sent from my galaxy s3
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tomyboombotz:
Yah I research it its just keys for ota
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] imp3r10:
im wanting to put money on the idea that the samsung customer service people were talking about the release of a whole new unlocked phone and not a tool that will unlock the current models.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] bobloblaw1:
I just went through a chat with an agent and the gist was that:

no current way to unlock the encrytped bootloader.

no available information about unlocking it in the future.

no comment if Verizon had any influence.

Here's the transcript. Please note that I changed the agent's handle to "agent" and removed the session ID to protect the identity (and maybe job) of the agent. If there is ample doubt, please request a mod to PM me and I will verify the chat session ID and agent name with him/her.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neh4pres:
Your wrong about the developer edition. It will out of the box be able to run anything made for the other us variants. Besides the prl and a few other carrier specifics. If someone dropped a simple guide or the developers of the other gs3 phones (att, Sprint, T-Mobile) just ran a extra build with the small changes the developer edition would have a mass of options far beyond the locked one. It would also run the kexec stuff from the Verizon model. So I don't know where you get the idea that the developer edition would need a mass following to have custom stuff. It would be superior.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Pompsy:
That is my chat! I uploaded it to Reddit on r/Android. I use the same username their as I do here.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] micromania:
i dont trust anyone until its out...

what if Verizon just wanted you to keep the phone instead of returning it within the 14 days.... hoping you'd be able to get it unlocked.

And then... NOTHING.

Verizon 1 - YOU 0
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] jgrimberg1979:
Okay my bad dude, you should buy it then, its only $600+.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
Either way I'm pissed. First we get screwed by Verizon for locking the phone. Then we get screwed by Samsung twice 1) not warning us about the lock and 2) offering us a $600 unlocked phone after we already spent $200-$250.

They better offer us the option for a straight up trade on our current phone.

*Sent from my Galaxy to yours through tapatalk
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] bobloblaw1:
Pretty sure it isn't unless you are a split personality of mine I was unaware of since I copy/pasted this out of my email. Anyway, if you have a problem with it contact an admin and as I said I will verify that its my chat and it did happen. And please do it in a pm so we don't turn this thread into any more of a cesspool than it is already.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tedkord:
$250? More like just under $300 after Verizon's new BS $30 upgrade fee and taxes/fees. Mine was in the mid $290's.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neyenlives:
(1) the expectation of a "warning" about the bootloader is ridiculous at best

(2) Sell your phone for nearly $600 on ebay and use it to buy the dev phone if that's what you want to do. Not a big deal.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Juicy92:
Where are you getting this ****
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] papi92:
Send me that whole folder please
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] papi92:
If that's the key they use to sign ota it may be an exploit to sign an update.zip that will flash over anything we want
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] aj8600:
#****verizon for *****ing everyone.

Please keep this on topic, I get emails for this thread all the time and it's mostly bs about how verizon does this, verizon does that. Unless it has to do with the bootloader please keep it to the irc
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neh4pres:
Exactly. What is everyone's issue with logic. Everyone thinks they have to return their phone to Verizon and pay a restocking fee... PEOPLE you paid 200 for a 600 dollar phone! It is worth 600. If you have unlimited data you are f###ing yourself because you would have to buy a phone outright to keep unlimited. So, if you want to give Verizon back their 600 dollar phone for a measly 200, and pay restocking fee and buy a new phone outright, your screws are loose. If you want to return it and pay restocking fee and try to trade DOWN to a nexus, you are a little empty in the brain area.

Now if you love this phone and are pissed about bootloaders being locked.

Sell the phone for near 600, buy the Damn unlocked one for 600, pay no Damn restock fee, keep unlimited, run about every Rom and kernel the other us variants have.

This is the last thread I will try to talk sense into anyone, if the next page of this thread has more of you people whining about locked bootloaders, needing to return your phone in some Verizon mandated time period, or just plain nonsense crybaby "Verizon gave me a swirly and stole my lunch money". You sir are thick and undeserving of help, and are in violation of not staying on topic in a development thread. Am I xda police? No. I'm not. Just giving a reminder to some of you who seem like your smoking bathsalts and have long sense lost your ability to think.

Ok, back on topic, topic is, information on unlocking the sgs 3 bootloader, methods possible, methods tried, and other info.

In the famous words of a fascinate icon

Good day!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neh4pres:
Well, the 2gigs of ram on this phone seems to keep xda open and wherever I was looking last. After my post. Bam, several other posts including yours telling people to keep on topic popped up..

Just letting you know I'm not ignoring you. Just trying to help quiet this riot
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
I would love to purchase this phone, but cannot seem to find it. Can you please post a link where I can purchase it?

*Sent from my Galaxy to yours through tapatalk
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] andreiantal:
If you sell the locked phone to buy the dev phone both Samsung and Verizon make the sale and they will keep doing this because it works. Return the phone and change carrier if you can. That's something they cannot get around.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] faehsemc:
I tried a staredown with the bootloader but it wouldnt unlock... i even said open sesame, please, and move ***** get out the way..... nothing. Still locked
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] nfiniti9:
No you paid $1800 for a $600 phone. Even if you never use your phone you are stuck paying the contract unless you cancel then you end up paying $900. Really the cost of the phone when you upgrade or start a new account is a small cost. Two phones with 2 years costs me $3840. So really $200?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Durthquake:
It does not exist yet. We have only been told it WILL exist at some point in the future. When that will be, only Samsung/Verizon know.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] OldManJames:
We can flash over anything we want but without each partition being correctly sign it won't boot. These ota keys are useless
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NFSP G35:
^I actually thought about that too.

They could silence the uproar from the modding community and also track anyone that does mod their phone. So I wouldn't rule out the possibility, but I also wouldn't wager any money on it either

^heh, ain't that the truth!

What's the elvish word for friend?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] faehsemc:
Damn it.. mellon did not work

Had to google that answer.. lol. Havent seen that movie for a long time.. and probably still wont
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] NFSP G35:
SON-OF-A...

I really had my hopes up on that one!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tomyboombotz:
Security/etc
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
I know, I was being facetious.

*Sent from my Galaxy to yours through tapatalk
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] CBMC:
That is assuming the service is of no value. Which is absolutely not the case. But, yes, you have given Verizon that money. Of course, if you bought the phone outright you still would be giving Verizon most of that money(assuming you wanted to use the phone on their network)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] neh4pres:
your logic fails! When you sell the first phone on eBay, that's 1 person who will not be buying from Verizon or Samsung because they just bought one from you.

Your logic is completely delusional. You sir take the cake. How do you get 1800 from this equation ( 200 +(600-600)) it equals 200. Wtf.. and your rant about paying for your service? Nice tangent. You sir are either a great troll, or the first place window licker on your short bus.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Karl:
For a research and news thread there sure is alot pissing and moaning about pissing and moaning :good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Ker~Man:
... Or at least never took pre-algebra!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] johnnilsson:
I know this sounds stupid bit I was looking at QPST the're is options to load bootloaders format partitions and all that jazz. Its worth a look if someone has experience and can get qpst to read phone.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] nosympathy:
feels like I never left the Rezound forum. I feel right at home! :eek:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] bukithd:
The chat screenshot in the OP probably is a clueless tech with no idea and is just trying to get you to buy the phone. Or she is referencing the Unlocked version that Samsung plans to sell directly.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Kipland007:
OP says that ril is cracked but I don't believe this is true. Can anyone confirm or deny?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] antp121:
Noobnl said it was cracked day 1.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Kipland007:
Isn't this what is holding back the Cm9 release though? I thought everything was functional but data.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tonu42:
Everything is fine but data.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Kipland007:
Sorry this may be my misunderstanding... Aren't data and ril related? As in if it was cracked wouldn't we have data?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] nosympathy:
Not nessicarily. I flashed the latest CM9 for Verizon and phone calls work but not data. RIL is the reason I can make phone Calls.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] ExodusC:
Just because one facet of the RIL is working doesn't mean it all is.

I believe there was still some question as to whether or not LTE was cracked when Noobnl said RIL had been cracked.

Regardless, other phones have had their RIL's cracked, but I know not of one phone that has actually had its bootloader cracked, just as a matter of precedence. What I mean is, I'm less worried about the RIL possibly not working at the moment as compared to the bootloader lock.

We just have to have faith in all of the developers who are working on the bootloader.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] andymetoo28:
Out of best educated guesses what is the possibility of this thing being cracked? Is this a "yeah it'll probably be cracked but.god.knows.when" scenario or is it a coin toss or what? Just wondering where opinions stand.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] segv11:
The Quenya word is "Mellon", but apparently that is not the bootloader encryption key.

Question: if the bootloader is not unlocked quickly, will a large octopus-like monster come out of the lake to eat us all?

Sent from my BANNED Unified-Search-enabled Galaxy Nexus.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] pwned3:
I really don't doubt that it will be cracked but there's only been one lte phone, the thunderbolt, that had working ril with 4g to my knowledge
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] papi92:
All Motorola phones do. Nexus does (obviously) lg spectrum and revolution do. Rezound did but never released bc someone pissed protekk off. Every phone but samsungs
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] papi92:
Anyone know about this?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] AdamLange:
OP updated
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] skennelly:
I saw this on samsung's website today.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] LLStarks:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I535MBCVZW

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I535MBDVZW

Apparently ships with the LG1 firmware.

"User Manual (User Manual) (ver.LG1_F5)"
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] aj8600:
404'd
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Neverendingxsin:
Must mean it's going on sale soon
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Kipland007:
I would assume this is bad for us?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] cordell12:
It was never gonna be as easy as flashing the boot loader from that (Dev version) version. These a multi million dollar companies, they think about those things beforehand. Not to be negative because I sure wish it would work!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Kipland007:
I figured it wouldn't be that easy but does this mean the hardware is different? If so, it seems basically useless to us...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] antp121:
I don't think they are different. I think its just to distinguish from the consumer (c model) and developer (d model)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] tpike:
We have been flashing unofficial firmware on Samsung devices for years. Wait until release to get upset.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] biff6789:
Could anyone please confirm that flashing back to the full stock image via Odin gets rid of that pesky boot screen icon with the word "unlocked"??
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] AdamLange:
It wont probably.

PS: OP updated.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Serinety:
I actually like that it says that. It makes me feel powerful and somewhat like a bad boy who breaks the rules. Fight the machine!! :-)