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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SharpnShiny:
Basically I've owned different ipods and enjoy them very much, I've tried rivals but didn't like them for various reasons. I've been using a classic ipod for about 1 year now, nanos before that. I've wanted to test out using just once device for a phone and ipod if possible. The iphone is way too expensive at higher storage (32GB/64GB) for my taste, the cheapest price I can find a 32GB iphone in Europe for is €350, and there are many dodgy sellers out there, of course from apple/other it's much more expensive than that.

So I started my test. I've a nice sony ericsson phone and bought a 32GB SD cheaply online and have tried various media programs to sync songs. Many of them sync very, very, very slowly, the first time, the fifth time...they never speed up. I have many GBs of podcasts too, and there are few programs that do both. Sony's version of itunes called media go...it's easy to use and has many features, but it can be slow and it very frequently makes mistakes - it duplicates songs constantly. I copied my itunes into the media go folders and let the sony program take over and manage, but it's still making mistakes. When you open your music player and you see 4 duplicates of every song in your album...you do want to bounce the phone off the wall. The pc software has full podcast support, sony phones do not...sometimes they show in a playlist...sometimes not. :eek:

So..what to do...buy an ipod touch, keep the phone and ipod separate, spend that extra money on an iphone or try another android? Has anyone tried this? There must be other ipod fans who have androids and are asking the same question. :fingers-crossed:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SifJar:
doubleTwist is good for syncing. Certainly far better than Media Go, which is pretty rubbish IMO. doubleTwist is actually reminiscent of iTunes, although it is a lot faster and more responsive on my computer than iTunes (which I have always found to be slow and sluggish).
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SharpnShiny:
I still have it installed...I'll give it another go then! I noticed they took away podcast support and make you pay for it. Cheapos! They were supposed to be the free, open alternative to itunes lol.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SifJar:
Oh really? I knew they made some features paid, wasn't sure exactly which. Yeah, that sucks :(
[Galaxy S III Accessories] mrvirginia:
so this isn't TPU but a jelly silicone?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] zmore:
Too new to tell. There's no dust & lint covering the silicone yet. :)
[Galaxy S III Accessories] clockcycle:
It is a TPU, not silicone. Jelly I guess is the description of the clarity and the tinting of the material.

Thanks for the question ;)
[Galaxy S III Accessories] TweetyBear:
which one do you like more? on the brown one, can you see the branding still?
[Galaxy S III Accessories] clockcycle:
You can see on the Lime picture that the "samsung" branding is still visible. The same holds for the Brown, the lighting just reflected and wasn't visible in the photo.

I like the Lime for it's fluorescence, but prefer the Brown for it's uniqueness. It's like a liquorice hard candy in color, looks fantastic in person. I would like to see these on a white phone..
[Galaxy S III Accessories] clockcycle:
Green on Tmobile SGH-T999
[Galaxy S III Accessories] TweetyBear:
looks nice!
[Omnia 7 General] Noway25:
Hello, I have got an Omnia 7 with custom rom, but I need to sell my phone. So I have a simple question. Has Omnia 7 any flash counter? Thanks for all aswers.

Sorry for my bad English :rolleyes:
[Nexus 7 General] deaglecat:
Or ... in the UK £210 vs £329 - both list price and shipped. What is the price difference in the US ?

So for the extra £119 you get 3" of screen, a rear facing camera and better audio quality and the legendary Apple returns policy. Which is not so bad...

Everyone is saying that the Nexus 7 is a bargain but I don't see it as being so clear cut.

( Not trying to troll ... or start an IOS vs Android thread... but I am just genuinely on the fence as to where to spend the proceeds of my HTC flyer sale ).
[Nexus 7 General] darkamikaze:
It all comes down to preference..

Do you want a bigger heavier form factor but with a larger screen? Then get the iPad.

Do you want something smaller and lighter? The get the Nexus 7.

Do you want to mess around with it such as rooting, custom ROMS? Nexus 7.

Do you want (even need?) a better FFC or a rear camera? iPad.

The nexus 7 comes in a bargain for it's a fully featured tablet with a base price of 200$ (or 250$ in this case) that is going to be supported throughout it's life by Google (latest updates, great development scene).

So the real question is, if you're to get a tablet.. what are you going to be using it for? What would you like to do with it? what would you like it to be able to do? GPS in car? custom ROMs? Jailbreak for custom Apps? Apple's great App selections? Play Stores app selections?

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Personally for MY personal use. I'd go with the nexus 7 just because I love messing with gadgets and the Nexus 7 is easier to toy with. I'm planning on using it as an eReader and I always import my books in .epub format. To me, it's easier to drag epubs from computer to device (HATE iTunes). I also want to install emulators and play old games on it as well as the new games found in the App store. When the time comes I'll probably have Ubuntu inside as well so I can dual boot Android/Ubuntu or some distro just to have that computer on the go. I also like trying out developer ROMs and kernels that add more functionality usually like USB OTG. Just some ideas as what you want to do.
[Nexus 7 General] LonelyTV:
Here in the states the 16 GB Nexus 7 is $249.99 while a 16 GB iPad 2 is $529 (without shipping costs, and sales taxes). So, that is a price difference of $279.01. I can buy two 16 GB Nexus 7s for the price of one iPad 2.

Now, if you were to buy an iPad 2 over an iPad 3 you're only saving $70... now that's a no brainier.
[Nexus 7 General] ice0901:
Check out this review where they compare the nexus 7 to the IPad 2 and 3. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012...fantastic-200-tablet/?comments=1#comments-bar
[Nexus 7 General] Jordanooo:
But youre also paying £119 extra for a slower processor, a dual core compared to quad core.

Also, according to gsmarena, a lower res screen with 132ppi compared to 216.

Depends if you care about these features really

Also, whether you prefer iOS or android...
[Nexus 7 General] jabsys:
Bigger screen but lower resolution & considering Apple have aren't releasing iOS 6 for the original iPad, I wouldn't bet on the iPad 2 being supported in iOS 7, whereas the nexus 7 is going to keep getting updates.
[Nexus 7 General] hyperdude111:
Also bear in mind that although it's close to £210 on Google play at other retailers such as PC World do free delivery so it's only £199. It's only £10 but it makes a difference.
[Nexus 7 General] NexusDro:
N7 is intended for content consumption, whereas the the app store for the iPad has productivity apps that are more developed than Android. Which one do you want to do more?
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
Yeah, but don't you get £15 play store credit when you order directly from Google - plus, Googles return policy has to be better than PCWorld. Lol

As for the original question, I'll take the faster cpu, GPU, higher res screen and the much cheaper device over an ipad2 - doh!
[Nexus 7 General] deaglecat:
Fair comments and thanks for the input.

In the US the price difference is compelling.

I guess the tegra 3 is faster than the A5X.

Plus the Nexus gets the play store credit (though I don't place any value on transformers movie because I wouldn't purchase it).

I just got my fingers burnt with the HTC flyer due to lack of O/S upgrades but I think this will not be the case with the Nexus 7.

If nothing else it will make the other Android tablet makers up their game. I would like a premium Android tablet with decent O/S updates and audiophile sound quality at an ipad price.
[Nexus 7 General] Sudeaux:
You've got your prices wrong. 16GB iPad 2 w/Wifi only is US$399 minus tax and shipping. The US$529 you're talking about is the 16GB iPad 2 w/Wifi+3G. (Source: Apple's website)

@OP: As others have stated, it really just comes down to preference. I tend to like the 10 inch form factor for use at home, while the 7 inch form factor is better for on the go.
[Nexus 7 General] Damov3:
clearly they are not directly comparable, if you want 10" then its the ipad if want 7" then its the nexus7. If you want productivity then its the ipad, if you want some fun then the nexus7. If your worried about bang for buck then in my opinion dont buy any of them;) if moneys not an issue then buy both:laugh:
[Nexus 7 General] ddb540:
I don't think the decision between N7 and iPad2 comes down to hardware, but rather iOS vs. Android.

I don't like iOS, because I don't like being nearly forced into iTunes. So for me, it's a really easy decision. I do have an iPad 1, which was a free gift from one of my business technology vendors. I like it for web browsing and streaming NetFlix. Fortunately, I can do these things just as well on an Android device, plus be able to stream Google music, and much more easily load content onto the device.

It is absolutely true that the Apple App Store has many more apps available - however, I don't care much because I don't use any of them. I use NetFlix, Hulu Plus, HBO Go, and the web browser. Again, all work just as well on an Android device.
[Nexus 7 General] DagsJT:
I sold my iPad 2 32GB for £255 and bought a 16GB Nexus 7. I just got bored of iOS, it felt stale in the end. And I wont miss iTunes at all.

Also I think the 7" form factor will work better as the iPad just felt a little too heavy and cumbersome at times.
[Nexus 7 General] kingtz:
After debating back and forth for over a week, I finally bit the bullet and ordered the 16GB. 8GB storage in 2012 just isn't reasonable for me. I have way too much media.
[Nexus 7 General] deaglecat:
Some good advice. Thanks.

I too find IOS constraining.

7" is more portable but without 3G, I can't just bring it out and have it working - and I know that I can tether but it is a hassle which reduces its utility.

"buy both" is an option. I just like shiny gadgets and so that is a good solution... if only I could grow some more arms then I could use multiple devices at once !
[Nexus 7 General] Damov3:
This would be my preferred option too:good:
[Nexus 7 General] goofball2k:
I will have both :) An iPad2 16GB and Nexus 7 16GB. They'll each have their purposes. I will love them both equally :p
[Nexus 7 General] revmra:
I can't get an iPad. I don't look good in a mock turtleneck.
[Nexus 7 General] Eagle1337:
And you'll look good with big glasses instead?
[Nexus 7 General] antikryst:
i agree. it depends on what you will use it for.

im a mac user though my phone preference has always been a nexus. nexus one before... and now galaxy nexus.

i also have an ipad 1. got it at launch and i love it. never bothered with the ipad 2 and "new" ipad (awesome screen btw) since my ipad 1 still works.

android tablets have been crap. but i preordered a nexus 7 as my ipad 1 replacement due to several things:

1. im starting to hate iOS and the fact that you need itunes.

2. jelly bean is awesome. so i trust that the nexus 7 will be the same. (have JB on my galaxy nexus). google should now pave the way for non crappy tablets and tablet apps.

3. iOS cant play movies without converting them. plus you need to sync it with a cable just to move a movie file. i usually stream from my mac but sometimes i just want the file locally stored on my tablet.

4. funny that android os works and plays better with macs for syncing calendars, emails, address book since no cables are needed. icloud still sucks and its apple only. no icloud for my galaxy nexus.

5. i want something lighter and more portable with a good screen.

all in all i think its a good move for me. im not ditching my ipad though. ill still use that for reading digital copies of comics because 10" is just better for reading comics than a 7" tablet. closer to the original size of the comic.

i just see 2 apps that i will miss a LOT thats just ios for now. these are comic zeal (my comic reader) and river of news (my favorite tablet RSS reader). oh well.
[Nexus 7 General] fishingfon:
If you want the biggest load of s*** money can can buy, buy the ipad.

If you want a beautiful wonderful perfect device that you would want to have sex with, get the nexus 7.

Simple

Lol

Corey
[Nexus 7 General] CrazyPeter:
What idiot would pay over £100 more for an end-of life iPad, that doesn't do half what the Nexus7 does...

REALLY??? Is this a serious thread? Better audio quality? For real? Apple products use the cheapest and nastiest DAC there is, it's what you find in $5 HK market players.
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
I know, the nexus 7 offers a quad core clocked higher than even the ipad3 (never mind ipad2)

Same for other specs.

Is the ipad3 worth more than double cost for the larger screen and camera - don't think so.

Google have basically just undercut every premium tablet available - so, it's gonna outsell everything I think.

High End tablet for such a low price is win win for the customers.

Sure, iPad have more tablet optimized apps, but because of the price of this high end tablet, developers would be stupid not to cash in and finally create tablet optimized apps, as like I said - this tablet is gonna sell many millions.

IOS has always had the 'we know it's boring, but it's smooth & fast argument' - but with jelly bean, android is now smooth & fast but offers the mass amount of features that android offers over iOS.

Even iOS 6, it's offering features we have had since froyo and is basically catching up to gingerbread.

The fact that android is now fast & smooth too, is the final argument against android that has been fixed.

Even Google now, it's faster & more accurate than Siri (which apple bought, not created) - the features it offers are miles ahead of what Siri can do.
[Nexus 7 General] Damov3:
He can spend his money on what the hell he likes, what gives you the right to call him an idiot.

I take it apple offended you in a previous life, which is why your so hateful!
[Nexus 7 General] killerbicycle:
I'm all for spending money ad one sees fit.

However I noticed in the original post there was something worth noting about apple returns policy...

Everything I have heard throughout the states, is that apple returns and or customer care are garbage. I can agree with this on a personal level from six years ago when I bought my first and last mac, but like I said that was six years ago and things change, or should...

I'm sure the story is different for different countries though right?
[Nexus 7 General] Damov3:
Well from experience with the iPhone 3g apples customer service was second to none, they replaced 2 cracked handsets on the spot, so was without my phone for no more than 20 minutes each time. I think that's pretty good.
[Nexus 7 General] ooie:
Do you want to use well made tablet apps? Go for the iPad then.
[Nexus 7 General] mparack:
I have owned an iPad2 32GB 3G for over a year now and have ordered the N7. The iPad was a gift from my wife and while it is a good tablet, it is not quite what I want. Most of the time, I read books,social network websites, blogs and news. I found the iPad cumbersome to hold for extended durations as you would while reading in bed and found I tend to use my phone more to read ebooks as a result.

Number of times I have used 3G - 0

Number of times I have used the Rear Camera - A handful

Actual storage space I need - About 10 GB max (Mine is at 16GB with most of the space taken by my son's videos and apps)

I use the front facing camera for skype quite often though.

Itunes is a nightmare. I prefer the android drag and drop to transfer media

I can't stand the locked down environment Apple dictates

However, the hardware is beautiful and well built (though it is difficult to hold without a soft cover as I always feel I will drop it). The screen has been amazing and everything just works without much fuss.

My 2 year old son loves the iPad too and IOS is so simple to use that he has mastered it already and can navigate around and find the apps he needs.

It ultimately boils down to your preference and what you need to do. As pointed out by others before, Form factor and usage are important in deciding which one to go for, as is the OS preference.

If you are not in a hurry to get the Nexus 7 as soon as it is launched, it might be worthwhile playing with one when they are launched in stores and then deciding.
[Nexus 7 General] chrisjcks:
They replaced those handsets with refurbished models right?

In the past I've had 2 iPhones, and both developed broken home buttons (you can't use the phone at all without that button) - and it was the carrier that replaced my handsets, not apple. - although perfectly acceptable, it did annoy me my brand new phone was replaced with an old refurbished model.

So, are you sure it was apples policy, and not the carriers?

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On my Xoom 10.1inch, the screen is just too big for it to be portable, also gaming is quite hard on such a screen size.

7inch is definitely the best size, gaming is much easier, and its much more portable - reading especially is much easier.

10inch tablets are good for browsing, but everything else - I'd prefer 7inch.
[Nexus 7 General] FiveOhFour:
Is this the plan for greeting all the people like myself who for the first time are considering an android device over a potential ios purchase, I never degraded android users as anything less than people choosing the device that fit their usage case and devices that made them happy and If i wanted to stick with a zealous hate filled fan club i think i would just stick with apple. Im just saying there is no need for that, if you honestly cant see any positive bullet points for the ipad then you just arent looking, people subscribe too deeply to the Gollum Theory (spelling?). My precious, One Device/Platform to rule them all. I battled the same dillema as the OP and its a reasonable question to ask oneself and there is nothing idiotic about it, im at the point where i think im just going to make the purchase and check out the android offering the right way by going all in instead of judging the experience by a few minutes with somone elses phone/tablet or a stroll through best buy. /EndRant
[Nexus 7 General] Damov3:
The first replacement was refurbished and the second was brand new(no refurb stock available).

It had nothing to do with the carrier as both were replaced at the genius bar!

We will all experience differing service levels, whether that was on 2001 or 2011 or whether it was Apple or Asus! If your basis for buying a product is the customer service level then you go by YOUR previous experience, if the OP feels Apple's service level is good enough, then it is!
[Nexus 7 General] deaglecat:
My original post was about the relative cost build up of the bill of materials between the Nexus 16gb and Ipad 2 - NOT the relative merits of IOS vs Android.

Apple supposedly has a 50% margin on hardware.... and the margin on the Nexus 7 is supposed to be close to zero.

But the ipad 2 will cost more to make due to the metal body, larger screen, rear camera and YES it does have a better DAC (reportedly) than the Nexus 7. The Ipad is less good value but the Nexus 7 is a cheaper device to make.

So either the reported Apple margins are wrong ... or the Nexus 7 does in fact yield a margin to the manufacturer (which is absolutely OK !).

Deag
[Nexus 7 General] dtmversion1:
If you could get iPad 2 for same price as nexus which would you choose??
[Nexus 7 General] micks_address:
guys i'm thinking of trading my ps vita with games for a nexus 7, would have a little store credit left over.. main uses would be for around the house browsing the web maybe.. a living room tablet if there is such a thing.. probably some ereading as well..

is the nexus 7 to small for this? should i save up and put the money towards an ipad 2/3 instead? i currently have a galaxy nexus and love it.. missus has an iphone 4s and son has an ipod touch...
[Nexus 7 General] Seihaku:
The Nexus 7 is fine as a portable web browser, book reader, and game player. It's actually ideal size for most of that (everything but magazines).

I think the iPad still has the best overall ecosystem, but expect to spend a good bit on it. I always found the iPad 1/2 screens to be subpar, the 3 has a fantastic screen + camera. But at this point we'd be comparing a $200 device to a $500 one.

I recommend you run by a Best Buy, Target, Barnes and Noble and check out what a 7" tab looks like if you have any doubts.
[Nexus 7 General] micks_address:
I guess thats the thing... get the nexus 7 without having to spend money or spend the extra and head into ipad territory.. the ps vita is just gathering dust.. another one of my whims.. :(
[Nexus 7 General] okantomi:
I'm considering getting the 16gb Nexus 7, as I do like the 7" form factor for some things and I especially like Google Experience devices,(including my beloved OG XOOM wifi, now rocking Jellybean 4.1.1). I've never even considered buying an Apple product, don't need or want.
[Nexus 7 General] Jenich:
Android vs ios?

I am sorry, but those ios vs android flames are just ridiculous.

Nexus 7 looks really terrific and it would be my choice of a tablet if I hadnt my ipad 2...well... Maybe the absence of any serious music production app and display size is bit of a dealbreaker for me.

I was an android user since almost the beginning and I really didnt like the concept of ios... But I gave ipad a shot and it was really worth it. Android is a great platform... I know that when I need my phone to do something that is not really a usual phone task, I can be almost certain that there is some app on play store or on xda which can do that job for me. Thats why I would always have an android phone... I can pull it out of the pocket and see all the informatIon I personally need the way I want them.

On the other hand I had a dream of having a tablet instead of laptop. And I would never think I could acomplish that with an ipad :))) jailbroken since the day one of course, but who is really using unrooted stock roms on android anyway? :) usb host, full file explorer, real multitasking, connecting external audio interface and recording in professional quality (24/96)...all just on the ipad (except restoring system while i brick it ...that's being done on my wife's dell :) )

I really got used to having immediate access to all new apps and games the day they are released...dual core, quad core? Well... Benchmarks of tegra 3 against a5 are really in favour of a5 ( if you consider that combination of cpu and gpu is what really matters).. And if you combine that with amount of developers who can easily hit huge market just by tailoring the app for few hw setups of one family of products... It is an easy choice.

Just speaking a bit in favour of ipad, cos apple haters are realy strong on xda :) and who would blame them :D

Just saying... Buy what you find the best for you..both tablets have pros and cons.
[Nexus 7 General] Damov3:
I totally agree, just buy what makes you happy:)
[Nexus 7 General] mi7chy:
Nexus 7 is better plus more future proof than even the iPad3:

- double the number of CPU cores (4-core)

- better looking 3D games

- 1GB DRAM

- built-in GPS, native maps/navigation

- higher resolution 1280x800

- NFC

- seamless integration with Google's outstanding services

- more portable and more discrete to have with you all the time

iPad2

- half the CPU cores (2-core)

- lacking 3D effects

- 512MB DRAM

- no GPS, no native maps/navigation

- lower resolution 1024x768

- No NFC

- limited services, iCloud, etc.

- unless you need 10" it's just bulkier

I didn't list the OS because it's more of a preference. Personally, I've used an iPad3 and find iOS to be bland and restrictive that I feel like throwing it at the wall. Also, Siri search doesn't pull up the correct results a lot of times so it's useless whereas it's nearly 100% correct with Google Voice Search.